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"Reference to the Kuril Islands": the general commented on the appearance of the US Air Force B-52H over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

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"Reference to the Kuril Islands": the general commented on the appearance of the US Air Force B-52H over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

It became known about the next landing of American strategic bombers B-52H in the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.


Recall that earlier American planes entered this airspace, flying between the islands of the Kuril ridge.

They commented on the situation at the National Center for Defense Management. In particular, it was noted that several Russian aerospace fighters, including the Su-30, Su-35 and the MiG-31 interceptor, were intercepted by the US Air Force.

NTsUO:

There were no violations of Russian air borders. B-52H were located at a great distance from the borders of Russia.

It was additionally noted that the interception was carried out in strict accordance with international standards.

The statement of the NLCS that there was no violation of the air borders of Russia by the American missile carriers should be taken into account as important, but you should not forget the following fact: most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk belongs to the exclusive economic zone of Russia. Only a small part of it (the sea), near Hokkaido, belongs to the Japanese EEZ. In this regard, the entry of American B-52H into the airspace above this sea looks like a clear signal from the United States that they are not ready to recognize the Kuril Islands as Russian territory.

Major General Mikhail Makaruk, a member of the Presidium of the all-Russian organization Russian Officers, comments on the situation:

The politics of Japan and the United States are practically in the same direction. With so many US military bases in Japan, Americans need to show Japanese society that it’s “not in vain” that they protect their interests.

Here is a reference to our Kuril Islands. According to Mikhail Makaruk, in fact, for the United States, self-interests are more important here, including expanding the military presence in the Asia-Pacific region. But many Japanese people oppose such a presence.

In turn, for Russia, the actions of the United States may become additional evidence that if you show weakness with respect to the South Kuril Islands, the United States will put pressure on the Japanese authorities and create its own military base there. That is how Washington intended to act in the Crimea, but the well-known events on the peninsula violated the plans of American strategists, which still prevents them from living peacefully.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 June 2020 15: 13 New
    +6
    the Americans still asked Stalin for the Kuril Islands for their bases. He refused them, and they still will not calm down!
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 19 June 2020 15: 27 New
      13
      Calm down ?! Yes we are almost surrounded
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. WILL
      WILL 19 June 2020 15: 28 New
      +9
      Somehow Many comers to the Kuril Islands! Our Islands, in 1945, an end was put in this matter! Well, the United States, together with Japan-let them continue to envy!
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 19 June 2020 15: 47 New
        10
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Somehow Many comers to the Kuril Islands! Our Islands, in 1945, an end was put in this matter! Well, the United States, together with Japan-let them continue to envy!

        It is certainly not good to envy this, but Russia needs to strengthen its air defense over these foundations. Indeed, from Kamchatka to Sakhalin and to Yuzhno-Kurilsk there are only airplanes in this regard. There are no ground air defense forces there, but we should have it.
        1. Kolka Semenov
          Kolka Semenov 19 June 2020 15: 48 New
          +6
          It is necessary to strengthen aviation first of all. Air defense a second time.
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 19 June 2020 15: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: Semenov Kolka
            It is necessary to strengthen aviation first of all. Air defense a second time.

            You think so? And now answer the question, how much time does it take to operate a fighter, and how much to the S-400 complex? Who has the most costs for this task?
            I am not opposed to aviation at all, but after all, under the USSR, land complexes also stood on the islands. Question: why? Ameers also know this, and they are greyhounds.
            1. Kolka Semenov
              Kolka Semenov 19 June 2020 16: 09 New
              +1
              Yeah, what about the radio horizon, or are we going to be like in Syria - they bombed here, they didn’t bomb here, didn’t they notice there?
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 19 June 2020 16: 21 New
                +5
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                Yeah, what about the radio horizon, or are we going to be like in Syria - they bombed here, they didn’t bomb here, didn’t they notice there?

                Clear. Do you think that the MIG-31 is in the air and waiting for violators? It also takes off when detecting targets from the radar and nothing else.
                1. Kolka Semenov
                  Kolka Semenov 19 June 2020 18: 29 New
                  +1
                  Bundle MiG-31BM + Su-35 and ZGRLS type Container is much more promising. Firstly, there is no passive defense - in which case you can hit in response. Secondly, ground-based air defense can only catch "gifts", but here it is necessary to shoot down the carriers, and thirdly, the theater of operations is too large to cover it all even with the S-400. The basis of air defense in the Far East should be precisely the air one, which it was in the USSR.
          2. svp67
            svp67 19 June 2020 17: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Kolka Semyonov
            It is necessary to strengthen aviation first of all. Air defense a second time.

            And what about air defense aviation?
            1. Kolka Semenov
              Kolka Semenov 19 June 2020 18: 30 New
              +1
              This is a figure of speech, understandably. In any case, the only true approach to air defense is to shoot down carriers.
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 June 2020 18: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: Kolka Semyonov
            It is necessary to strengthen aviation first of all. Air defense a second time.

            It is necessary to strengthen the economy and education first of all, and with this, everything is sadder and sadder.
          4. Simon
            Simon 21 June 2020 14: 05 New
            0
            So it is necessary to strengthen both aviation and air defense, this will not interfere with our borders, but only strengthen border protection. wink
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 19 June 2020 20: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Somehow Many comers to the Kuril Islands! Our Islands, in 1945, an end was put in this matter!

        That's right. Only the bullet was put when Japan joined the UN, adopted its Charter and agreed with the results of WWII ...
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 19 June 2020 16: 16 New
      -4
      It became known about the next landing of American strategic bombers B-52H in the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.

      Are these museum exhibits still capable of ascending into the sky?
      1. Victor67
        Victor67 19 June 2020 16: 57 New
        -15
        Another figure))) These exhibits are many times better than our museum exhibits Tu-95, although they are the same age, and in addition to them, there are still B-1 and B-2 in an amount unattainable for our industry and finance. Throw hats ...
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 19 June 2020 17: 42 New
          +4
          Yes, an activist, when I met V-52N, you still went to kindergarten.
          1. Victor67
            Victor67 19 June 2020 17: 51 New
            -10
            When I went to the d / s, there was still no Internet, and where else could you meet him?
            1. 4ekist
              4ekist 19 June 2020 17: 57 New
              +8
              In aviation defense
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 20 June 2020 03: 51 New
                +1
                Good answer! laughing yes
            2. NOMADE
              NOMADE 20 June 2020 16: 00 New
              0
              Hmm, did you go to the garden in the 90s?
              1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Simon
          Simon 21 June 2020 14: 09 New
          0
          And then, at the sight of our interceptors, they quickly dump back home. request wink
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 19 June 2020 17: 09 New
        -1
        This modification of the B-52 is all that can rise in the air))
        1. Victor67
          Victor67 19 June 2020 17: 23 New
          -14
          Ha, but what about the B-1B with the concept of a low-altitude air defense breakthrough through the possibility of flying at very low altitudes with an envelope of the terrain? But what about the B-2? What are their analogues with us? And how many are there? They’ll probably have a hundred or so, not counting the B-52. And how much do we have?
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 19 June 2020 17: 55 New
            +7
            Our strategic aviation was built on the basis of, and according to military doctrine, bombing other continents, for thousands of kilometers no one was planning to proceed from the necessary sufficiency. And the United States, actively built and used it wherever possible (Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, the European theater of military operations, etc.) And then Mr. Gorbachev, EBN contributed.
            1. Victor67
              Victor67 19 June 2020 23: 20 New
              -11
              And we still went under attack in ranks under Peter 1. And now, in order to fly to another mainland on the 95th and bomb someone there, you need to be spoken. Can you imagine it between mountains enveloping a relief? And for the B-1B, this is a common daily practice since Soviet times.
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 19 June 2020 18: 33 New
            +1
            This. Modification. B-52.

            Can you read? What does the other bombers have to do with it?
        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 19 June 2020 18: 07 New
          +1
          Most likely flew with a / b Andersen about. Guam in the Indian Ocean. The flight range allows (D-18000km).
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 19 June 2020 20: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: 4ekist
            Most likely flew with a / b Andersen about. Guam in the Indian Ocean. The flight range allows (D-18000km).

            They were taken out of there, now there is B-1 on a rotational basis, I read the latest issue of ZVO today ... it looks like they periodically change places ..
          2. Simon
            Simon 21 June 2020 14: 16 New
            +1
            Our bombers showed themselves well in Syria, in the fight against ISIS, and they did not hear about American B52 there.
            1. 4ekist
              4ekist 21 June 2020 14: 57 New
              0
              American bombers are not particularly needed there. There they have more than enough aviation:
              Air Force Base Al-Udeid, Al-Dafra near Abu Dhabi, in Saudi Arabia.
              In Jordan, the U.S. Air Force uses, in particular, a base near the city of Azraq,
              In Turkey, the US Air Force uses the Incirlik base in the Adana area near the border with Syria,
              In addition, the Sixth Fleet of the United States Navy, headquartered in Naples, is deployed in the Mediterranean Sea. And that's not all.
      3. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 19 June 2020 18: 13 New
        0
        If only one of the motors did not fall off
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 19 June 2020 18: 25 New
          +3
          He has 8 engines, very gluttonous. But the United States can afford not to save on fuel, the country is rather baggy.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 19 June 2020 17: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      the Americans still asked Stalin for the Kuril Islands for their bases. He refused them, and they still will not calm down!

      So because liberals give hope ... They do not express their position firmly and clearly, they wag ornate .. and recent history says that Russia gives back territories .. The Chinese and Norwegians confirm ..
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 19 June 2020 17: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      the Americans still asked Stalin for the Kuril Islands for their bases. He refused them, and they still will not calm down!

      It was better to fight, not to beg ...
      The Japanese ruined amers in Okinawa (losses among American soldiers were unexpectedly high - up to 40% of the personnel)
      And, the Kuril airborne operation of the Red Army in the Kuriles went down in the history of operational art.
      1. kytx
        kytx 21 June 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        The Kuril operation may have gone down in history. But ours, too, there were a lot of jambs, purely out of our own stupidity. Without diminishing the heroism of the paratroopers.
        Moreover, the experience of the 4 year war was available.
        1. Simon
          Simon 21 June 2020 14: 23 New
          +1
          Do not forget that there the defense of the Japanese was very well prepared. The Japanese had a lot of time to prepare a good defense as concrete fortifications.
          1. kytx
            kytx 21 June 2020 15: 05 New
            +1
            Yes, the defense was not so strong there. Yapy at the end. Ours scored on obvious things. Intelligence service? By the forest. The organization of the landing? Yes, they’ll figure out what’s happening in the forest too.
            Did you guess the weather?
            The destroyer collects landing barges in the fog. To shrews.
            There everything was on the heroism of the fighters and ml of the command staff
            And I myself come from about those parts
            Kuril Islands is a special TVD
            There are many specifics.
            and peaceful life too
            There is no creation of the Atlantic Wall and Omaha Beach
            1. kytx
              kytx 21 June 2020 15: 28 New
              0
              Simon is purely for attention and for the rating, plus
    6. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 21 June 2020 20: 54 New
      0
      Stalin did not. He simply suggested also placing the USSR base in the Aleutian Islands. After that, additional questions about the base in the Kuril Islands did not arise.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 June 2020 15: 23 New
    +4
    Therefore, it is necessary, in turn, to bombard the Japanese with demands for the return of the original Russian territory — Hokkaido — to Russia, because we did not seem to officially abandon this part of the Russian territory, which means that it belongs to the Japanese illegally!
  3. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 19 June 2020 15: 23 New
    +2
    Therefore, they exchanged "visits" while observing "strategic etiquette." Recently the "bears" were walking past Alaska.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 June 2020 15: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    the Americans still asked Stalin for the Kuril Islands for their bases. He refused them, and they still will not calm down!

    They still wanted Crimea ... did not work ... wassat And why should it work with the Kuril Islands?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 20 June 2020 09: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      the Americans still asked Stalin for the Kuril Islands for their bases. He refused them, and they still will not calm down!

      They still wanted Crimea ... did not work ... wassat And why should it work with the Kuril Islands?

      Judging by the minuses in this thread, some Japanese winked
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 20 June 2020 09: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        Judging by the minuses in this thread, some Japanese

        No, fans of Bandera ... and the "shining city on the hill" ... laughing
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 20 June 2020 10: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Terenin
          Judging by the minuses in this thread, some Japanese

          No, fans of Bandera ... and the "shining city on the hill" ... laughing

          And, of course, the senior ordered wink
          Although, from history, where there are Bandera, there are hail, even on the hills, even in the lowlands, they do not shine, but they blaze and smoke crying
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 19 June 2020 15: 38 New
    +5
    South Kuril Islands, the United States will put pressure on the Japanese authorities and create their own military base there.

    And not just one, but a network.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 19 June 2020 15: 45 New
      +3
      And without a protesting population.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 19 June 2020 15: 42 New
    +6
    More than a thousand Soviet wars were given over to the Kuril Islands in 1945, not in order to give them back to the vrana.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 19 June 2020 21: 54 New
      0
      How to be with about. Daman? Why did the guys die there? For aliexpress?
  7. Molox
    Molox 19 June 2020 16: 07 New
    +2
    US Air Force B-52H appears over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

    Something I did not understand men .. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk since 2015 is the inland sea of ​​Russia! Something is stirring up our generals that there were no border violations .. Or am I not understanding something?
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 19 June 2020 17: 34 New
      +2
      There are, in fact, quite wide straits, if from the side of the Kuriles "fly in", well, of course, through Japan traditionally "guests" come.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 19 June 2020 18: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: Molox
      Something I did not understand men .. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk since 2015 is the inland sea of ​​Russia!

      You are right, this is not the first time I am writing that information is given with a bias in the direction that the reader wants. Here is an example
      The UN Commission on the Continental Shelf officially handed over to Russia on Friday a document recognizing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as fully Russian, said Russian Minister of Natural Resources Sergey Donskoy.
      And here is the truth.
      12 miles offshore, neutral waters and neutral airspace begin.
      But starting 200 miles offshore, this is the state’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ)
      In the very center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk there remains a "small" patch, which the EEZ did not reach from any of the Russian shores. These are the so-called neutral waters whose area is about 52 square kilometers. Russia was able to prove that the entire bottom of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is an underwater continuation of the land. Russia took advantage of the clause of the law of the sea, which reads as follows:
      If the state proves that the seabed is a continuation of the land of the state, then this bottom also belongs to the state.
      But not sea and airspace BOTTOM with everything there is.
      1. ohka_new
        ohka_new 19 June 2020 19: 09 New
        +2
        And in order to clarify - in international law there is no such concept of "internal sea".
        1. Kudinov Andrey
          Kudinov Andrey 21 June 2020 00: 09 New
          0
          Inland sea waters and the territorial sea Inland sea waters are waters located offshore from the baseline of territorial waters (Article 8 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea). ... The legal regime of such waters is regulated by national legislation, taking into account international law
      2. Avior
        Avior 20 June 2020 03: 36 New
        0
        Neutral waters begin 12 miles offshore
        EEZs are also neutral waters.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 07: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          EEZs are also neutral waters.

          Yes right but
          If the state proves that the seabed is a continuation of the land of the state, then this bottom also belongs to the state.
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 June 2020 09: 36 New
            -2
            ... In the very center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk there remains a "small" patch, which the EEZ did not reach from any of the Russian shores. These are the so-called neutral waters, the area of ​​which is

            This part of your post can be understood as the fact that neutral waters are already outside the EEZ.
            But the EEZ and the shelf zone are also neutral waters, anyone there can fly and swim.
            Most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is neutral.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 10: 39 New
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is neutral water.

              And yes again, YOU ARE RIGHT!
              If the state proves that the sea day is a continuation of the land state, then IT BOTTOM (water and airspace is a neutral zone) BELONGS TO THE STATE i.e. RUSSIA with everything there is!
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 June 2020 16: 13 New
    -1
    We are to them, they are to us ... Routine
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 19 June 2020 16: 40 New
      0
      We are to them, they are to us ... Routine

      Each fulfilled its tasks.
  9. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    "Reference to the Kuril Islands"

    Send all these American and other generals to three funny letters. Our Kuril Islands!
  10. afon
    afon 19 June 2020 16: 45 New
    0
    not convincing.
  11. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 June 2020 16: 52 New
    -1
    Well, let them fly under the gun of our air defense systems, learn to change diapers with lightning speed))
  12. Old26
    Old26 19 June 2020 17: 03 New
    +5
    Quote: Molox
    US Air Force B-52H appears over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

    Something I did not understand men .. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk since 2015 is the inland sea of ​​Russia! Something is stirring up our generals that there were no border violations .. Or am I not understanding something?

    You don’t know more precisely. That the Inland Sea does not mean at all that its water surface and air are territorial for Russia. It is the exclusive economic zone of Russia (mainly, except for a small section of its southern part). Accordingly, economic activity is exclusively subject to the permission of Russia. But as for the passage and passage - if there is no violation of territorial waters (airspace) - anyone can.
  13. Incompetent
    Incompetent 19 June 2020 17: 03 New
    -1
    The United States will put pressure on the Japanese authorities and create their own military base there. This is exactly how Washington intended to act in the Crimea, but well-known events on the peninsula violated the plans of American strategists

    III? As a result, the Americans now have no bases in the Crimea, but the whole of Ukraine has become their puppet and here they can build more than one base
    1. Rakovor
      Rakovor 19 June 2020 18: 37 New
      +1
      She would have already become their puppet, with or without Crimea, catch the difference?
      1. Incompetent
        Incompetent 21 June 2020 08: 56 New
        0
        We had to stand up for Yanyk in 2014 and he would now be our puppet and all of Ukraine would be under the influence of Russia. Catch it?
    2. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 19 June 2020 21: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Incompetent
      III? As a result, the Americans now have no bases in the Crimea, but the whole of Ukraine has become their puppet and here they can build more than one base

      If over the past 6 years it has not appeared, then it will not appear.
  14. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 19 June 2020 17: 06 New
    +2
    the Kuril Islands is essentially our natural first line of defense in the Far East, this is the line of early warning of course with the appropriate military infrastructure and the creation of this main task is tof and two
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 June 2020 17: 11 New
      -6
      The first line of defense in intelligence (or in artificial intelligence).
  15. iouris
    iouris 19 June 2020 17: 10 New
    -4
    Thank you: reminded what the consequences will be.
  16. Old26
    Old26 19 June 2020 17: 32 New
    +5
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Well, let them fly under the gun of our air defense systems, learn to change diapers with lightning speed))

    First you need to learn how to transfer air defense systems with lightning speed. Best for 30 minutes at a distance of 500-1000 km. And then we can talk about the ability of Americans to change diapers with lightning speed.

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    This modification of the B-52 is all that can rise in the air))

    There is also modification G, which is in long-term storage and which, within a month or two, can go into operation if necessary
  17. Charik
    Charik 19 June 2020 17: 48 New
    -2
    a signal from the United States that they are not ready to recognize the Kuril Islands as Russian territory. -and it is needed -Russia is recognition
  18. Bez 310
    Bez 310 19 June 2020 18: 51 New
    -2
    Again sofa experts were excited, demanding to strengthen air defense in the Kuril Islands.
    Where do you come from? Why strengthen air defense in the Kuril Islands? What is it
    Is everyone so surprised by the flights of foreign aircraft over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?
    Well, the Americans tease us, so by the rules they tease us, we’re nothing with them
    can not do.
    So let our command think about where to tease them,
    where they will perceive the flights of our planes is most painful. But apparently
    our bosses are not ready for such "daring" ... But the Americans are ready, and
    the results of their flights can be found in the comments under this article.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 08: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      So let our command think about where to tease them,
      where they will perceive the flights of our planes is most painful. But apparently
      our bosses are not ready for such "daring" ...

      American F-22 intercepted four Tu-95MS and two Su-35 in international airspace in the Air Defense Identification Zone of Alaska. The Russian Ministry of Defense called the Tu-95MS flight planned.
      "F-22 fighters, supported by the KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft and the E-3 AWACS aircraft of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, intercepted two Russian Il-38 aircraft, which entered the Alaska air defense identification zone," the message says.
      You worry in vain.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 20 June 2020 09: 51 New
        0
        I do not worry.
        Flights Tu-95MS, Tu-142, IL-38 are carried out in a completely different way,
        than the flights of American aircraft, and do not annoy "our
        American partners ".
        These are not flights in "our" Sea of ​​Okhotsk ...
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 10: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Bez 310
          Flights Tu-95MS, Tu-142, IL-38 are carried out in a completely different way,

          According to NORAD, US F-22 and Canadian CF-18 fighters took to the air last Monday to escort two Russian long-range anti-submarine Tu-142 aircraft approaching Alaska. "Russian aircraft over the Beaufort Sea remained in international airspace and approached the coast of Alaska
          The Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation reported that Russian long-range anti-submarine Tu-142 aircraft completed a flight over neutral waters near Alaska, without violating international rules.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 20 June 2020 11: 50 New
            0
            I wrote about flights with the manifestation of "naval daring (arrogance)"
            and you show me the routine. Okay, there’s nothing to discuss.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 12: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              I wrote about flights with the manifestation of "naval daring (arrogance)"

              I understand your train of thought, but this is not a showdown of the boys, this is NEUTRAL TERRITORY where they exist international rules and laws.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 20 June 2020 12: 37 New
                +2
                Do not teach me how to live!
                When our Tu-42 passed over the AUG with open hatches,
                without breaking anything, an American screech was heard
                for the whole Pacific Fleet.
                And nothing happened, they wrote to the Foreign Ministry that the crew was
                in a manner cooled the overheated equipment.
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 12: 49 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Bez 310
                  When our Tu-42 passed over the AUG with open hatches,

                  Were you not mistaken with the Tu-42?
                  I am not familiar with such a situation when something long ago was similar to the Tu-95.
                  But as a child I was taught that the match game ends FIRE!
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 20 June 2020 13: 56 New
                    +1
                    I was not mistaken.
                    It's not about the "fire", but that we're afraid to answer
                    presumptuous "partners", arguing that they say,
                    no need to provoke, we’ll be smarter, just show
                    their capabilities.
                    And the "partners" understand only strength, they see that we are almost
                    we do not react, and they climb exactly into our "pain points",
                    where we don’t want to see them.
                    In general, all this is very reminiscent of our answer to all
                    "sanctions" are stupid and not scary.
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 14: 21 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Bez 310
                      I was not mistaken.

                      If you are not mistaken, then please give where you can read it.
                      1. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 20 June 2020 14: 57 New
                        +1
                        I have not seen publications about this case.
                      2. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 16: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        I have not seen publications about this case.

                        Then I understand that you personally participated in this flight on Tu-42?
                      3. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 20 June 2020 16: 39 New
                        +1
                        No, I didn’t fly there, but I know very well
                        and the commander of the ship, and those who later
                        wrote excuses to the Foreign Ministry.
                        You are probably all trying to reverse mine
                        attention to the slip of the tongue - "Tu-42"? You understand
                        that this is a simple typo, what else do you need?
                      4. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 20 June 2020 16: 48 New
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                        Quote: Bez 310
                        You understand
                        that this is a simple typo, what else do you need?

                        SIMPLE ELEMENTARY TRUTH, NOT DRIVING PONTS!
                      5. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 20 June 2020 16: 49 New
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                        Why did you switch to a cry?
                        What truth do you need, what do you miss?
                        Calm down ...
  • Andobor
    Andobor 19 June 2020 21: 25 New
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    Japan is an occupied country, completely devoid of geopolitical independence - what the Americans say, the Japanese grunt.
  • cpez-lun
    cpez-lun 19 June 2020 23: 07 New
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    And there was nothing to bring down this plane with a cheat?
  • Old26
    Old26 19 June 2020 23: 34 New
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    Quote: cpez-lun
    And there was nothing to bring down this plane with a cheat?

    In a neutral space above neutral waters? Or do you want our "Bears" to get lost too when they walk along the coast of Alaska ???
  • Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 20 June 2020 09: 12 New
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    Fell using EW, bring down and finish off with hooks ..
  • svoit
    svoit 20 June 2020 10: 12 New
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    What is not heard of the interception results, planes shot down or forced to land at our airport?
    And how interesting is the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk that cannot be Russian? This is the inland sea, and the rules there are about the same as they used to be with the Caspian
  • Old26
    Old26 20 June 2020 17: 19 New
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    Quote: svoit
    What is not heard of the interception results, planes shot down or forced to land at our airport?
    And how interesting is the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk that cannot be Russian? This is the inland sea, and the rules there are about the same as they used to be with the Caspian

    That's it. People read Wikipedia, and thinks that since the sea is "internal" - it means ours. This is more of a term for oceanology than geopolitics and maritime law. In this case, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is the inland sea of ​​two countries - Russia and Japan. Most of the sea is the exclusive economic zone of Russia, like the shelf.
    But at the same time, both the sea and the airspace are not territorial waters (airspace) of Russia. Everything further than 12 miles from the coast is neutral (international) waters and a neutral (international) space. And even an American plane, even a Japanese one, can fly there. even Chinese.

    Quote: Bez 310
    Do not teach me how to live!
    When our Tu-42 passed over the AUG with open hatches,
    without breaking anything, an American screech was heard
    for the whole Pacific Fleet.
    And nothing happened, they wrote to the Foreign Ministry that the crew was
    in a manner cooled the overheated equipment.

    And you definitely did not violate anything, Mikhail? As far as I remember, there are some provisions prohibiting the passage of an aircraft in the center plane over another ship. And the open bomb bays did not speak of a "routine" flight. Screeching is politics. But there are certain rules that all countries adhere to. Anyone can come up with an excuse for the Foreign Ministry. But nevertheless, although from an economic point of view, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is ours, but from the point of view of maritime law it is neutral, with the exception of a 12 mile zone ...

    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Then I understand that you personally participated in this flight on the Tu-42?

    Michael! You are asked a question regarding the model of the aircraft that you named - TU-42. It is clear that we were talking about TU-142, but you most likely did not notice your slip
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 20 June 2020 18: 18 New
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      I already noted about the typo, it does not change anything.
      Did I write about "the passage of an aircraft in the center plane over another ship"? Do you speak? Why do you need this?
      I wrote about the passage over the AUG, and the location of this grouping allows you to fly over it without disturbing anything. What happened, he told me about it, too, a feat to me, so ..., an element of "naval daring".
  • Old26
    Old26 20 June 2020 18: 58 New
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    Quote: Bez 310
    I already noted about the typo, it does not change anything.
    Did I write about "the passage of an aircraft in the center plane over another ship"? Do you speak? Why do you need this?
    I wrote about the passage over the AUG, and the location of this grouping allows you to fly over it without disturbing anything. What happened, he told me about it, too, a feat to me, so ..., an element of "naval daring".

    I do not say anything, especially in relation to you. He expressed his opinion that not every passage over enemy ships is permissible. Something is permissible, something smacks of "hooliganism"
  • Ham
    Ham 20 June 2020 22: 57 New
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    they did not fly "between the islands of the Kuril ridge" - they flew between Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands!
    they lie and do not blush ...
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 21 June 2020 01: 40 New
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    “The B-52Hs flying to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Russia's very large backyard in the Pacific, are another clear signal. The B-1B flight to this region on May 21, the first known case when an American bomber entered the area after adopting a special concept, which is already considered a bold and largely unprecedented departure. The Pacific Air Force (PACAF) has already published images of B-52 aircraft flying as part of a bombing mission on June 18, along with a pair of US-18G Growler military electronic intelligence aircraft near the Kuril Islands south of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. They can support bombers during actual conflict or other unforeseen circumstances in the region. The U.S. Navy EA-6B Prowler, also operated by the Navy, but has not yet been replaced by the EA-18G, provided similar support for a U.S.-led missile strike against targets in Syria in 2018. B1-B bombers also took part in this operation, ”the American publication“ The Drive ”reports.
    By the way, such provocative flights may become an occasion to tighten Russia's control of its airspace and approaches to it, which the Americans are well acquainted with, in particular, we are talking about demonstrating the maneuverability of Russian combat aircraft with approaching American aircraft at a distance of several meters that literally drives the U.S. Air Force pilots crazy.
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 21 June 2020 09: 08 New
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      Ask the Chinese what to do if they themselves are not rich in consideration.
    2. Bez 310
      Bez 310 21 June 2020 11: 28 New
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      Quote: AKS-U
      with approaching American aircraft at a distance of several meters, which literally drives the pilots of the US Air Force crazy.

      Did the "US Air Force pilots" tell you about this, or our media?
  • Old26
    Old26 21 June 2020 19: 07 New
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    Quote: Ham
    they did not fly "between the islands of the Kuril ridge" - they flew between Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands!
    they lie and do not blush ...

    Depends on what. Those B-1B that recently also flew to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk passed precisely between the islands. B-52H? Maybe they came from Hokkaido .... From where did they come - I did not meet the information
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 22 June 2020 01: 04 New
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    The call sign of the B-52 was "Truck" a warning that it can deploy far beyond A2 / AD systems.
  • ZVS
    ZVS 23 June 2020 09: 58 New
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    The situation is similar with Rust, everyone made a decision to destroy the B-52 while flying over our territorial waters. Now even Putin, Shoigu is better off keeping quiet about the situation with Rust. And for Putin, the "Monomaz cap" has become heavy.