“After the march, you feel like a bag of bones”: the story of the T-34 driver

“After the march, you feel like a bag of bones”: the story of the T-34 driver

One of the unspoken disputes that went on during the Great Patriotic War between infantry fighters, motorists and tankers: "Who is easier to fight?" The statement of the question is somewhat primitive, but, nevertheless, it was in this vein that it was often discussed.


The infantry reproached the tankmen with the fact that they carried out marches, as they would say now, “in comfortable conditions”, and did not walk on sticky mud. But what were these “comfortable conditions” like? This can only be told by those who themselves have experienced all their charms - tankers of the Second World War.

On the channel "Memoirs of a Soldier" a video was published in which the memoirs of a veteran who fought during World War II tank T-34.

A veteran (driver) tells that after the march the tankers literally gave way, because sometimes they had to withstand long transitions in the conditions of incredible heat in the tank tower without the special ability to “stretch the limbs”.

From the narrative:

After the march, you feel like a bag of bones, which was beaten against the iron walls.




The legendary "thirty-four" will take part in the parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory in Red Square. It will pass along the streets of other cities of Russia. This tank has become a real symbol of both the Second World War and the victory won over Nazi Germany.
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  1. rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 59 New
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    Well, yes, it was a tank soldier, a fighter, without "excesses." Too all rational people foresaw a great misfortune and quite imagined what it IS POSSIBLE to have done at that moment to overcome this misfortune!
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker 18 June 2020 16: 53 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      it was a tank soldier, a fighter, without "excesses."

      Weren't the Sherman or Panther 'soldiers'? And what do you consider excesses? Relative crew comfort?
      1. Hunter 2 18 June 2020 17: 38 New
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        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

        Weren't the Sherman or Panther 'soldiers'? And what do you consider excesses? Relative crew comfort?

        You are comparing what cannot be compared! Sherman Producers - Seen the War on Own Earth? When, Everything - For the Front Everything - For Victory ... believe me, if they experienced what the Soviet People experienced - they would also sacrifice some amenities for the crews for the sake of Simple, Cheap, Mass release.
        As for Panthers ... Panthers of the first issues and the last ones - believe me, there are two big differences. The Germans couldn’t even make normal armor, due to the lack of strategic raw materials, and almost ceased to think about the convenience of the crews.
        1. igor67 18 June 2020 20: 26 New
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          . Here I am in Sherman, my height is 178, at 34 ku I tried to climb into the place of a mechanic through the lower hatch, I could not. In SU100 the same story, I can not imagine how they could fight there.
          1. igor67 18 June 2020 20: 47 New
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            But Matilda, too, does not shine in size, did not get into the tank
            1. igor67 18 June 2020 22: 23 New
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              State Duma stuck
              1. Jarserge 20 June 2020 08: 34 New
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                It’s already surprising that he climbed there .. they are fed well and little lawmaking takes all the time
          2. Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 38 New
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            Quote: igor67
            my height is 178

            not tank growth, frankly)
        2. Avior 18 June 2020 21: 08 New
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          Comfort in the tank is needed not for the sake of comfort and pleasure, but in order for the crew to operate as efficiently as possible in battle and in other cases, for example, on a march.
          And if sweat fills your eyes and smoke eats them away due to an unsuccessful fan, this means that in a real battle, the probability is that you will flaunt the enemy in the bushes, and this may end badly.
          Or if you go into battle with a numb body, tired after the march, and you can’t look around again, or miss something from fatigue, then this is also fraught, you don’t admire the scenery there.
          hi
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          2. Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 45 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Comfort in the tank is needed not for the sake of comfort and pleasure, but in order for the crew to operate as efficiently as possible in battle

            absolutely right.
        3. Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 29 New
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          Quote: Hunter 2
          what can not be compared!


          Yes, why not? It’s possible if you discard all this lyrics about
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Saw the war on their own land

          Quote: Hunter 2
          experienced what the Soviet people experienced

          etc.

          Mass Shermans? Comparably - 50 thousand for three years
          Cost? Ok, take 1942 - start mass production of M4 - the average cost of 250 thousand. rubles.
          T-34 (1942):
          Plant 112 (Krasnoye Sormovo) - 209
          Plant 173 (Omsk) - 312
          UZTM - 273
          Well, yes, Plant 183 collected 34 for 165 rubles in the 000nd year.

          That is, on average at five plants the price of T-34 = 240 rubles in 300. Sherman = 1942.

          Well, why is there something incomparable?
          1. Nagaibak 20 June 2020 14: 22 New
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            Dr. Frankenstucker "Why, why not, then? It is entirely possible if you discard all this lyrics about Quote: Hunter 2
            Saw the war on their own land
            Quote: Hunter 2
            experienced what the Soviet people experienced
            etc.
            Lying on the couch, you can puff your cheeks by comparing the states untouched by the war and us. We have children at the machine tools half-hungry ... and there are uncleaning ones.))) We have half of the factories in the evacuation from the wheels under the canopy and produce products with associated losses and finishing touches on the go. They have quiet and whim no bombing as in Stalingrad and Leningrad, nor other misfortunes.))) And here so lazily protruding the lip is not .... but why not compare it is quite possible to compare.))) And what is there scoop picking?)))
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 14: 37 New
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              OK OK. But I wrote about dry statistics. And let me remind you that my thesis was that the Sherman who fought in Tunisia, Italy, Normandy, the Pacific Ocean is the same massive tank soldier as the T-34. What are you, dear,
              Quote: Nagaibak
              lazily protruding lip

              decided to refute, arguing about the "half-starved children at the machine tools." In addition, by the start of the European War, the United States had virtually no tank troops and tank industry. The fact that they had in such a short period of time the main mass battle tank is also a kind of technological breakthrough that deserves respect.
              On top of that, ergonomics has never been a strong point of Soviet engineering, regardless of whether it is war or peacetime. With this, I hope you agree?
              1. Nagaibak 20 June 2020 15: 32 New
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                Dr. Frankenstucker "clear, clear."
                Nothing is clear to you.))) I did not argue with you at all about anything. I was seduced by your reasoning about which I wrote. The fact that the largest economic power of that time gave birth you won’t understand which tank it’s understandable.))) How long do you say?))) C'mon.)))) You say engineering top?))) Well, well ...)))) . Ergonomics?)))) A country untouched by war could have imagined something better and better.)))) In Volgograd, the museum has a cone-shaped metal contraption. It was placed next to the machine. And the worker took refuge in it during enemy air raids, and after the raid he went out and continued to work. Where are you from?
                Look at the photo and let's talk about ergonomics.)))
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 16 New
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                  I was seduced by your reasoning


                  which ones? Are you cringed by numbers? Or what I dared to call Sherman a tank soldier along with the sacred T-34? Or that I do not support the reasoning about children behind the machines?
                  1. Nagaibak 20 June 2020 17: 14 New
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                    Dr. Frankenstucker "Or that I do not support the reasoning about children behind the machines?"
                    But what can you support?)))) You argue like a forelock.))) You probably have it.)))
                    1. Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 17: 24 New
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                      Quote: Nagaibak
                      you reason like a forelock.

                      Ah, got it. Expected.
                      Lord, what narrow-minded xoxlofreniya ....
                      1. Nagaibak 20 June 2020 18: 09 New
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                        Dr. Frankenstucker "Lord, what a narrow-minded xoxophrenia ..."
                        So you have a sovkofreniya.))) And so what?))) Why are you here forgetting the sick?))) Go to the censor and go more comfortable.)))
                      2. Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 22: 37 New
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                        As I understand it, you are among those who see x ... la in anyone who does not share your values ​​or does not agree with your vision of a picture of the world. Why should these cheap attempts give advice to whom where to go and which sites to visit? I did not get personal. Work hard, and you stay within the subject, and not rush with xoxophobic poop.
    2. rocket757 18 June 2020 18: 40 New
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      Aleksey (Hunting Officer 2) answered everything correctly ... different conditions for the existence of States, at that particular moment in time! With all the ensuing consequences. Add, especially, nothing.
    3. Jarserge 20 June 2020 08: 32 New
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      Firstly, they are cars of different generations. T-34 refers to the tanks of the 30s, when ergonomics was just in its infancy. All the shortcomings of the T-34 are design decisions of the 30s level, well, then there were no others. The main design decisions came from there from the 30s and from the capabilities of only the nascent Soviet industry (and they, alas, were not great). And Sherman and Panther is a thirty-four experience reworked by engineers with more experience and a strong industry with skilled workers. Yes, and these are different design schools with their own disadvantages and advantages.
      In the 70s, our head of the training department returned from a business trip to Vietnam. At that time, the Vietnamese army was mainly armed with Soviet tanks and captured American ones, so he said that he asked the Vietnamese tankmen to compare the tanks. The answer was simple - in peacetime it is better for the Americans (comfort) and it is better to fight in the Russians (reliability, protection) That's something like this ....
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 13: 26 New
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        Quote: Jarserge
        And Sherman .... this is the experience of the “thirty-four” reworked by engineers


        Controversial statement. I personally do not observe any “T-34 experience” in Sherman.

        Quote: Jarserge
        T-34 refers to the tanks of the 30s, when ergonomics was just in its infancy.


        I agree, but what's the point? In Soviet Russia machines design you - that’s it. Although the “generation of the 30s”, even the “40s” and beyond - in the USSR was the so-called. "machine feudalism" is a person an appendage of the machine, and not vice versa. A man is a nut in a car, in the words of F. Taylor.

        Quote: Jarserge
        So he said that he asked the Vietnamese tank crews to compare tanks

        I haven’t met anywhere information that the VNA was armed with the M4
        Quote: Jarserge
        in peacetime it’s better for the Americans (comfort) and it’s better to fight in the Russians (reliability, protection)

        This is a commonplace banality. It’s not necessary to go to Vietnam)
        1. Jarserge 24 June 2020 14: 44 New
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          Sorry, but your comments are a commonplace. Just to say "how smart I am." But if you do not know this does not mean that it is not. Just don’t get clever in Gorbachev’s style .. But essentially
  • Sergey S. 18 June 2020 15: 01 New
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    The topic is dumb.
    It was hard for everyone.
    Rather, to all those who devoted all their efforts to achieving Victory.

    About the shaking.
    Katerniki on the "G-5" shook so .... Boats planing, jumping along the crests of the waves ...
    During a military campaign, several kg of weight were lost in weight.
    1. I studied at the tank school. So one of the teachers gave us this layout:
      1) The most difficult service for submariners. Limitations in everything, psychological stress, physical and so on ...
      2) Then comes the cavalry - whatever one may say, not only you need to look after yourself, but also about a living comrade, even though he is a horse ....
      3) In third place we are tankers. Closely, a limited crew, almost submariners, only to jump out in case of defeat are more likely.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 54 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        3) In third place we are tankers. Cramped, limited crew, almost submariners,

        photo in the subject)
      2. businessv 19 June 2020 13: 27 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I studied at the tank school.

        Hats off, colleague! I was trained in the service to drive all the equipment and it so happened that after the GM (base for ZSU 23-4, with UKM on the levers and a very mild course), I had to sit on the levers of the T-34 .... Fear and horror! At first I thought that there was no control at all, but then I realized that to turn I had to put my foot on the side and pull the lever with both hands! After this, the WWII tankers respected immensely! After all, they recruited guys mostly of small stature. hi
        1. And as you recommendation MV T-62:
          - ... You put the gearshift lever in the groove of the third gear and hold the clutch with one foot, and the second rests on the gear lever until it engages! ...
          When I did so, I was scared that I had broken something, so the checkpoint cracked!)))) laughing
  • gabonskijfront 18 June 2020 15: 04 New
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    As I have in Niva, the children refuse to ride in it, they say that their head is tearing off. Plus, the stove does not overlap, and even in small things, as they say forever wounded but never killed.
    1. Free wind 18 June 2020 16: 17 New
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      Fill the stove’s intake with rags. On the bugs, Nivkh. if it’s really so bad. Well, the old doors of the cars were more convenient, you open the windows, the air pulled out from the legs. And not noisy.
  • Far B 18 June 2020 15: 05 New
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    I would doubt that the infantry reproached the tankers for anything. First, armored infantry constantly drove (in settlements, armor without infantry was a target), and secondly, the infantry saw tanks with crews burning. What to envy ?!
    1. boris epstein 18 June 2020 15: 32 New
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      In the same way as infantry without tanks is a target for all enemy fire weapons. And many of these weapons suppress tanks with their fire and maneuver.
    2. Sergey Medvedev 21 June 2020 10: 49 New
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      pehtura

      Mazut, due to its limitations (field of view), it is not visible how the infantry is torn to shreds by shells and mines.
  • Avior 18 June 2020 15: 33 New
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    Soviet tanks traditionally have a small armored volume.
    On the one hand, the dimensions are smaller, with an allowable tank weight, booking is better, and on the other, the inconvenience and fatigue of the crew.
    The crew tired after the march on the go to battle is so simple to send — attention, reaction, coordination of movements is reduced, vision can be dulled. And this means that losses will increase, effective and combat effectiveness will decrease.
    This is also important, but we have traditionally underestimated it.
    The Germans, due to a longer resource and more comfortable conditions, could transfer equipment along the front, costing less.
    1. max702 20 June 2020 09: 52 New
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      By the way, pay attention to how Syrian tankers fight, after the battle they don’t do maintenance of the tank, but rest in the shade because they have laid out completely, and other people are serving and refueling the tank .. It’s kind of like in aviation .. It seems that a rested, not driven crew in battle is more important how he will be able to carry out a combat mission .. it’s often shown in the video from those places ..
  • indy424 18 June 2020 16: 29 New
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    each has its own view. Of course, the tank can be both hot and uncomfortable. but not on foot, and you don’t drag a whole cloud of everything on you. and when it rains, you are dry, and you will not die in the mud. sometimes you just look at the tankers, or those on other vehicles, and even take hatred. although they certainly are not easy. and it’s better to have a bullet in your chest than to burn in this tin can
  • sergo1914 18 June 2020 17: 08 New
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    In my opinion, the loader there was the most miserable. It really needs to be a yogi to put the unitary into the breech. But he still had to be removed from the drawer on the floor.
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  • zenion 22 June 2020 15: 13 New
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    If you feel, it means alive.