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“After the march, you feel like a bag of bones”: the story of the T-34 driver

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“After the march, you feel like a bag of bones”: the story of the T-34 driver

One of the unspoken disputes that went on during the Great Patriotic War between infantry fighters, motorists and tankers: "Who is easier to fight?" The statement of the question is somewhat primitive, but, nevertheless, it was in this vein that it was often discussed.


The infantry reproached the tankmen with the fact that they carried out marches, as they would say now, “in comfortable conditions”, and did not walk on sticky mud. But what were these “comfortable conditions” like? This can only be told by those who themselves have experienced all their charms - tankers of the Second World War.

On the channel "Memoirs of a Soldier" a video was published in which the memoirs of a veteran who fought during World War II tank T-34.

A veteran (driver) tells that after the march the tankers literally gave way, because sometimes they had to withstand long transitions in the conditions of incredible heat in the tank tower without the special ability to “stretch the limbs”.

From the narrative:

After the march, you feel like a bag of bones, which was beaten against the iron walls.




The legendary "thirty-four" will take part in the parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory in Red Square. It will pass along the streets of other cities of Russia. This tank has become a real symbol of both the Second World War and the victory won over Nazi Germany.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 18 June 2020 14: 59
    0
    Well, yes, it was a tank soldier, fighter, no "frills". Too all reasonable people had a presentiment of a big trouble and quite imagined what it was POSSIBLE, NECESSARY, to do at that moment in order to overcome this trouble!
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 18 June 2020 16: 53
      -4
      Quote: rocket757
      it was a tank soldier, a fighter, no "frills".

      Weren't the Sherman or Panther 'soldiers'? And what do you consider excesses? The relative comfort of the crew?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 18 June 2020 17: 38
        +6
        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

        Weren't the Sherman or Panther 'soldiers'? And what do you consider excesses? The relative comfort of the crew?

        You are comparing what cannot be compared! Sherman Producers - Seen the War on Own Earth? When, Everything - For the Front Everything - For Victory ... believe me, if they experienced what the Soviet People experienced - they would also sacrifice some amenities for the crews for the sake of Simple, Cheap, Mass release.
        As for Panthers ... Panthers of the first issues and the last ones - believe me, there are two big differences. The Germans couldn’t even make normal armor, due to the lack of strategic raw materials, and almost ceased to think about the convenience of the crews.
        1. igor67
          igor67 18 June 2020 20: 26
          +3
          . Здесь я в Шермане,у меня рост 178 ,в 34 ку на место механика пытался залезть через нижний люк,не смог. В СУ100 та же история, не представляю как там могли воевать.
          1. igor67
            igor67 18 June 2020 20: 47
            +2
            а вот Матильда тоже размерами не блистает,во внутрь танка не попал
            1. igor67
              igor67 18 June 2020 22: 23
              +2
              State Duma stuck
              1. Jarserge
                Jarserge 20 June 2020 08: 34
                +3
                It’s already surprising that he climbed there .. they are fed well and little lawmaking takes all the time
          2. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 38
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            Quote: igor67
            my height is 178

            not tank growth, frankly)
        2. Avior
          Avior 18 June 2020 21: 08
          +4
          Comfort in the tank is needed not for the sake of comfort and pleasure, but in order for the crew to operate as efficiently as possible in battle and in other cases, for example, on a march.
          And if sweat fills your eyes and smoke eats them away due to an unsuccessful fan, this means that in a real battle, the probability is that you will flaunt the enemy in the bushes, and this may end badly.
          Или если ты идёшь в бой с затекшим телом, уставший после марша, и не сможешь лишний раз посмотреть вокруг, или что то от усталости пропустить, то это тоже чревато, ты же не пейзажами там любуешься.
          hi
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          2. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 45
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            Quote: Avior
            Comfort in the tank is needed not for the sake of comfort and pleasure, but in order for the crew to operate as efficiently as possible in battle

            absolutely right.
        3. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 29
          -5
          Quote: Hunter 2
          what can not be compared!


          Yes, why not? It’s possible if you discard all this lyrics about
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Saw the war on their own land

          Quote: Hunter 2
          experienced what the Soviet people experienced

          etc.

          Mass Shermans? Comparably - 50 thousand for three years
          Cost? Ok, take 1942 - start mass production of M4 - the average cost of 250 thousand. rubles.
          T-34 (1942):
          Plant 112 (Krasnoye Sormovo) - 209
          Plant 173 (Omsk) - 312
          UZTM - 273
          Well, yes, Plant 183 collected 34 for 165 rubles in the 000nd year.

          That is, on average at five plants the price of T-34 = 240 rubles in 300. Sherman = 1942.

          Well, why is there something incomparable?
          1. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 20 June 2020 14: 22
            +4
            Dr. Frankenshtutzer "why can't you? It is quite possible, if we discard all this lyrics about Quote: Hunting expert 2
            Saw the war on their own land
            Quote: Hunter 2
            experienced what the Soviet people experienced
            etc.
            Lying on the couch, you can puff your cheeks by comparing the states untouched by the war and us. We have children at the machine tools half-hungry ... and there are uncleaning ones.))) We have half of the factories in the evacuation from the wheels under the canopy and produce products with associated losses and finishing touches on the go. They have quiet and whim no bombing as in Stalingrad and Leningrad, nor other misfortunes.))) And here so lazily protruding the lip is not .... but why not compare it is quite possible to compare.))) And what is there scoop picking?)))
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 14: 37
              -4
              ясно, ясно. Но я писал о сухой статистике. И напомню, что мой тезис был, что шерман, воевавший в Тунисе, Италии, Нормандии, на Тихом океане - такой же массовый танк-солдат, как Т-34. Что Вы, уважаемый,
              Quote: Nagaibak
              lazily protruding lip

              decided to refute, arguing about "half-starved children at the machines." In addition, by the beginning of the European war, the United States had practically no tank forces and a tank industry. The fact that they have a main mass battle tank in such a short period of time is also a kind of technological breakthrough that deserves respect.
              On top of that, ergonomics has never been a strong point of Soviet engineering, regardless of whether it is war or peacetime. With this, I hope you agree?
              1. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 20 June 2020 15: 32
                +1
                Dr. Frankenshtuzer "clear, clear."
                Ничего вам не ясно.))) Я с вами не спорил вообще ни о чем. Меня покоробили ваши рассуждения о чем я и написал. То что крупнейшая экономическая держава того времени родила не поймешь какой танк это понятно.))) Какой срок говорите?))) Да ладно.)))) Верх инженерной мысли говорите?))) Ну, ну...)))). Эргономика?)))) Нетронутая войной страна могла бы и поживее что нибудь представить и получше.)))) В Волгограде в музее имеется конусообразная металлическая штуковина. Ставилась рядом со станком. И в нее рабочий во время налетов вражеской авиации укрывался а после налета выходил и продолжал работу. Вы откуда вообще?
                Look at the photo and let's talk about ergonomics.)))
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 16: 16
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                  Quote: Nagaibak
                  I was seduced by your reasoning


                  which ones? Are you cringed by numbers? Or what I dared to call Sherman a tank soldier along with the sacred T-34? Or that I do not support the reasoning about children behind the machines?
                  1. Nagaibak
                    Nagaibak 20 June 2020 17: 14
                    +1
                    Dr. Frankenshtuzer "Or that I do not support the discussion of children at the bench?"
                    But what can you support?)))) You argue like a forelock.))) You probably have it.)))
                    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 17: 24
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                      Quote: Nagaibak
                      you reason like a forelock.

                      Ah, got it. Expected.
                      Lord, what narrow-minded xoxlofreniya ....
                      1. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 20 June 2020 18: 09
                        +1
                        Dr. Frankenshtuzer "Lord, what a narrow-minded xoxlophrenia ..."
                        So you have a sovkofreniya.))) And so what?))) Why are you here forgetting the sick?))) Go to the censor and go more comfortable.)))
                      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 22: 37
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                        As I understand it, you are among those who see x ... la in anyone who does not share your values ​​or does not agree with your vision of a picture of the world. Why should these cheap attempts give advice to whom where to go and which sites to visit? I did not get personal. Work hard, and you stay within the subject, and not rush with xoxophobic poop.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2020 18: 40
        +1
        Aleksey (Hunting Officer 2) answered everything correctly ... different conditions for the existence of States, at that particular moment in time! With all the ensuing consequences. Add, especially, nothing.
      3. Jarserge
        Jarserge 20 June 2020 08: 32
        +2
        Firstly, these are cars of different generations. The T-34 belongs to the tanks of the 30s, when ergonomics was just in its infancy. All the shortcomings of the T-34 are design solutions of the 30s level, well, there were no others then. The main design solutions from there from the 30s and from the capabilities of the newly emerging Soviet industry (and alas, they were not great). And Sherman and Panther is the experience of the "thirty-four" revised by engineers who have more experience behind their backs and not weak industry with skilled workers. Yes, and these are different design schools with their own disadvantages and advantages.
        В 70-е вернулся наш начальник учебного отдела из командировки во Вьетнам. Вьетнамская армия тогда была вооружена в основном советскими танками и трофейными американскими.Так вот он рассказывал, что попросил вьетнамских танкистов сравнить танки. Ответ был прост - в мирное время лучше на американских(комфорт) а воевать лучше на русских( надёжность, защита) Вот как то так....
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 20 June 2020 13: 26
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          Quote: Jarserge
          And Sherman .... this is a thirty-four experience reworked by engineers


          Controversial statement. I personally do not observe any "T-34 experience" in Sherman.

          Quote: Jarserge
          T-34 refers to the tanks of the 30s, when ergonomics was just in its infancy.


          agree, but what's the point? In Soviet Russia machines design you - that says it all. Although the "generation of the 30s", even though the "40s" and beyond - in the USSR there was a so-called. "machine feudalism" is a human appendage of the machine, and not vice versa. A man is a nut in a car, in the words of F. Taylor.

          Quote: Jarserge
          So he said that he asked the Vietnamese tank crews to compare tanks

          I haven’t met anywhere information that the VNA was armed with the M4
          Quote: Jarserge
          in peacetime it’s better for the Americans (comfort) and it’s better to fight in the Russians (reliability, protection)

          This is a commonplace banality. It’s not necessary to go to Vietnam)
          1. Jarserge
            Jarserge 24 June 2020 14: 44
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            Извините но Ваши замечания сплошная банальность. Только для того что бы сказать "какой я умный". Но если Вы не знаете это не значит что этого нет. Просто не умничайте в стиле горбачёва.. А по существу
  2. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 18 June 2020 15: 01
    +15
    The topic is dumb.
    It was hard for everyone.
    Rather, to all those who devoted all their efforts to achieving Victory.

    About the shaking.
    The boats on the "G-5" shook so much .... Planing boats, jumping along the crests of the waves ...
    During a military campaign, several kg of weight were lost in weight.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 18 June 2020 16: 30
      +5
      I studied at the tank school. So one of the teachers gave us this layout:
      1) The most difficult service for submariners. Limitations in everything, psychological stress, physical and so on ...
      2) Then comes the cavalry - whatever one may say, not only you need to look after yourself, but also about a living comrade, even though he is a horse ....
      3) In third place we are tankers. Closely, a limited crew, almost submariners, only to jump out in case of defeat are more likely.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 19 June 2020 08: 54
        -3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        3) In third place we are tankers. Cramped, limited crew, almost submariners,

        photo in the subject)
      2. businessv
        businessv 19 June 2020 13: 27
        +5
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I studied at the tank school.

        Hats off, colleague! I was trained in the service to drive all the equipment and it so happened that after the GM (base for ZSU 23-4, with UKM on the levers and a very mild course), I had to sit on the levers of the T-34 .... Fear and horror! At first I thought that there was no control at all, but then I realized that to turn I had to put my foot on the side and pull the lever with both hands! After this, the WWII tankers respected immensely! After all, they recruited guys mostly of small stature. hi
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 19 June 2020 15: 03
          -1
          And as you recommendation MV T-62:
          - ... You put the gearshift lever in the groove of the third gear and hold the clutch with one foot, and the second rests on the gear lever until it engages! ...
          When I did so, I was scared that I had broken something, so the checkpoint cracked!)))) laughing
  3. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 18 June 2020 15: 04
    +2
    As I have in Niva, the children refuse to ride in it, they say that their head is tearing off. Plus, the stove does not overlap, and even in small things, as they say forever wounded but never killed.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 18 June 2020 16: 17
      +2
      Заткните заборник печки тряпками. На жучках , Нивх. если уж совсем так плохо. Ну и старые двери у машин были удобнее, форточки открываешь, из ног воздух вытягивало. И не шумело.
  4. Far B
    Far B 18 June 2020 15: 05
    +6
    I would doubt that the infantry reproached the tankers for anything. First, armored infantry constantly drove (in settlements, armor without infantry was a target), and secondly, the infantry saw tanks with crews burning. What to envy ?!
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 18 June 2020 15: 32
      +1
      In the same way as infantry without tanks is a target for all enemy fire weapons. And many of these weapons suppress tanks with their fire and maneuver.
    2. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 21 June 2020 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      pehtura

      Mazut, due to its limitations (field of view), it is not visible how the infantry is torn to shreds by shells and mines.
  5. Avior
    Avior 18 June 2020 15: 33
    +2
    Soviet tanks traditionally have a small armored volume.
    С одной стороны, при этом габариты меньше, при допустимом весе танка бронирование лучше, с другой - неудобство и быстрая утомля́емость экипажа.
    The crew tired after the march on the go to battle is so simple to send — attention, reaction, coordination of movements is reduced, vision can be dulled. And this means that losses will increase, effective and combat effectiveness will decrease.
    This is also important, but we have traditionally underestimated it.
    The Germans, due to a longer resource and more comfortable conditions, could transfer equipment along the front, costing less.
    1. max702
      max702 20 June 2020 09: 52
      +1
      Кстати обратите внимание как Сирийские танкисты воюют , после боя не занимаются обслуживанием танка , а отдыхают в тенечке ибо выложились полностью, а танк обслуживают и заправляют другие люди .. По типу как в авиации.. Видимо дошло что отдохнувший не загнанный экипаж в бою важнее так как сможет выполнить боевую задачу..это на видео с тех мест часто показывают..
  6. indy424
    indy424 18 June 2020 16: 29
    0
    each has its own view. Of course, the tank can be both hot and uncomfortable. but not on foot, and you don’t drag a whole cloud of everything on you. and when it rains, you are dry, and you will not die in the mud. sometimes you just look at the tankers, or those on other vehicles, and even take hatred. although they certainly are not easy. and it’s better to have a bullet in your chest than to burn in this tin can
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 18 June 2020 17: 08
    +2
    In my opinion, the loader there was the most miserable. It really needs to be a yogi to put the unitary into the breech. But he still had to be removed from the drawer on the floor.
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  9. zenion
    zenion 22 June 2020 15: 13
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    If you feel, it means alive.