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The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"

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The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"

When the American and other armies of the Western countries had already used socks, Russian soldiers continued to wrap pieces of cloth around their legs. This is stated by Caleb Larson on the pages of the American publication The National Interest.


The author of an article published in an American publication writes that the Russian (Soviet) military, unlike the Western ones, used footcloths for a long time instead of socks. According to Larson, Soviet soldiers "used pieces of smelly rags instead of socks."

Instead of using resources and labor to produce socks, the Soviet army simply gave out pieces of rags

- the author writes, adding that all armies switched to boots with lacing, and the Soviet soldiers continued to wear leather boots without laces, where "these footcloths" were inserted.

At the same time, he points out that “these pieces of rags for legs” performed the same function as socks, they even had summer and winter versions - cotton for the warm season, and flannel ones for winter.

They absorbed moisture, prevented corns and scuffs, and also protected the boots themselves from dirt and stones.

- he writes.

However, Larson emphasizes, wrapping the footcloths on the leg is not as easy as it seems, their use can be compared to "applying a bandage on the leg." Incorrect winding could lead to calluses and scuffs, which in turn could lead to "lagging behind and subsequent punishment."

As follows from the text of the article, the "use of footcloths" in the Russian army was carried out for many centuries, starting from the time of the "Russian Tsar Peter I" until 2013, when the Minister of Defense of Russia Sergei Shoigu replaced "these pieces of fabric" with normal ones as part of modernization textile products. "

Thus, the author writes, the Russian army moved to modern standards, leaving "old-fashioned practice" in the past.
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  1. Dargavs
    Dargavs 17 June 2020 14: 04 New
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    Зависть нехорошее чувство! "Завидуешь? делай это молча". (Надо этого ларсона в марш бросок, в кирзачах оправить, в носках).
    1. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 17 June 2020 14: 29 New
      39
      Pity the fool, he will rub himself such corns that he will not be able to walk later!)
      1. credo
        credo 17 June 2020 15: 03 New
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        Quote: Ru_Na
        Pity the fool, he will rub himself such corns that he will not be able to walk later!)

        I believe that the author of the article is not a paid scribbler with the task of the editorial staff to blaspheme everything Soviet (Russian) indiscriminately and despite the lack of experience.
        Портянки быстро и легко наматываются и имеют ряд преимуществ перед носками. А запах от "куска ткани" и "нормального текстильного изделия" одинаков, если их не стирать.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 17 June 2020 15: 30 New
          16
          Quote: credo
          Footcloths quickly and easily wound

          It is only necessary to clarify what is fast and easy for those who know how to reel them.
          1. Martin
            Martin 17 June 2020 16: 02 New
            36
            which is quick and easy for those who know how to wind them
            And every soldier knows how to reel them after a short service life. Learn this very quickly.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 17 June 2020 18: 35 New
              13
              My father taught me in childhood, even ordinary rubber boots without them would not be allowed to wear. So there were no problems with them in the army laughing drinks
            2. Archivist Vasya
              Archivist Vasya 19 June 2020 09: 43 New
              0
              That's not everyone, by the way, we already had socks in 2011, we also wore boots, but mostly berets. Zamoy boots.
          2. parkello
            parkello 17 June 2020 21: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: Fitter65
            Quote: credo
            Footcloths quickly and easily wound

            It is only necessary to clarify what is fast and easy for those who know how to reel them.

            also true, but learning how to wind them is the same as tying shoelaces request там много ума не надо..надо просто понимать где ноги,а где руки ,шнурки тоже надо учиться завязывать ...а для сапогов 1914 г образца .знаменитые "кирзачи" с носками натрут такие мозоли.по самые подмышки..тут портянки лучше и практичнее.их можно очень быстро намотать,и они заметно лучше всяких носков,осоенно если их стирать ,и есть еще шерстянные ..у меня есть. я с сапогом того образца носки никогда не одену. а с берцами портянки...не надо все валить в одну кучу. для пехоты равнины .как в РФ .сапог идеальная обувь.в горах да.лучше берцы ,кроссовки..а в степи да полях сапог на все времена..так что пусть саами учатся наматывать портянки,пригодится знаете )
        2. venik
          venik 17 June 2020 16: 54 New
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          Quote: credo
          А запах от "куска ткани" и "нормального текстильного изделия" одинаков, если их не стирать.

          ========
          Кстати - "куски ткани" - стираются проще и гораздо быстрее сохнут!!!
          А насчет сапог - мне за время "срочки" довелось поносить и "кирзачи" и "берцы". И те и другие имеют и свои преимущества и недостатки...
          Кстати, насчет времени: "берцы" с носками - одеваются примерно за то же время, что и сапоги с портянками!
          Так, что "писаке" со шведской фамилией: "общий привет"! Не попробовал - не суйся с "аналитикой" ( lol )
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 17 June 2020 18: 42 New
            +7
            [quote=venik][quote=кредо]А запах от "куска ткани" и "нормального текстильного изделия" одинаков, если их не стирать.[/quote]
            ========
            "насчет времени: "берцы" с носками - одеваются примерно за то же время, что и сапоги с портянками!"

            I bet you: boots with footcloths are worn in 4 movements - 3 to winding the footcloths, 1 - to put on a boot. Shoes with socks more: put on a sock, put on a boot, make coils of lace on the 4 upper hooks, tighten and tie again, compare! laughing drinks
            1. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 18 June 2020 06: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: Doliva63
              I bet you: boots with footcloths are worn in 4 movements - 3 to winding the footcloths, 1 - to put on a boot.

              Существует еще более быстрый"тревожный " вариант .Портянка накидывается на сапог и втаскивается внутрь за ногой. laughing
              1. Artunis
                Artunis 18 June 2020 10: 42 New
                +5
                За такой тревожный "вариант" от хорошего командира можно и нужно несколько нарядов схлопотать.
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 18 June 2020 13: 30 New
                  +6
                  By the way, the commanders taught how to pull the footcloth on a parachute on alarm. Then, if necessary, rewind as needed. that the boots were not at the disposal
                  рядом с кроватью,а в сушилке.И весь дивизион туда должен был за ними туда сбегать и не растоптать друг друга.По началу это был дикий треш ."Черная пятница" отдыхает laughing
                  Quote: Artunis
                  За такой тревожный "вариант" от хорошего командира можно и нужно несколько нарядов схлопотать.
                  1. Martin
                    Martin 19 June 2020 15: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                    In air defense, the standards are very strict,
                    When, according to “readiness No. 1”, you fly out to turn on, when the Black Bustard is about to enter your zone, you can run barefoot through the snow. If, jumping from the second floor of the bunk, he didn’t immediately fall into the boots. smile Just the very emergency option, but you just missed.
                    After pressing the power button, there are a couple of tens of seconds to figure it out. The boots of the previous term were always at the station for household work, and for such a fire. smile
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 18 June 2020 20: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                Quote: Doliva63
                I bet you: boots with footcloths are worn in 4 movements - 3 to winding the footcloths, 1 - to put on a boot.

                Существует еще более быстрый"тревожный " вариант .Портянка накидывается на сапог и втаскивается внутрь за ногой. laughing

                Yeah, and it was! laughing drinks
              3. Martin
                Martin 19 June 2020 15: 25 New
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                Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                Существует еще более быстрый"тревожный " вариант .Портянка накидывается на сапог и втаскивается внутрь за ногой.

                This is a temporary option to get up and running quickly. You must rewind normally before jogging.
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 19 June 2020 15: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: Martyn
                  You must rewind normally before jogging.

                  Yes, before charging they built without such force majeure and less clothes, in winter, so generally charging in the barracks, only have time to put on pants laughing У нас такие "космические" подьемы были только ,когда начинались занятия по боевой подготовке.Но за то все было по полной программе ,вплоть до светомаскировки в казарме и подготовки к смене дислокации. soldier And after all, the monsters raised the alarm at 5:30, when it was still so sweet asleep. laughing To create a real unexpected. In the second year, I myself woke up 10 minutes before the cry of the sentry, but in half an hour it was a blow below the waist lol
            2. saygon66
              saygon66 18 June 2020 12: 25 New
              0
              - Do the turns with a lace? winked What else is this for? On boots with hooks for quick lacing, this is useless ...
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 18 June 2020 20: 41 New
                0
                Quote: saygon66
                - Do the turns with a lace? winked What else is this for? On boots with hooks for quick lacing, this is useless ...

                Hooks for what? To tighten the top of the berets, the lace does not need to be pushed into the grommet (hole), but simply make a loop around the hook. Did you not know? And there were already 4 hooks on the boot. So count laughing
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 19 June 2020 01: 53 New
                  +1
                  - I was once taught to do it right! wink
                  - Зашнуровать ботинок, закинуть шнурки за крюки, завязать шнурки - можно "мертвым узлом".
                  - Throw off the loops formed by the laces from the hooks, straighten the tibia ... remove the boot.
                  - Wearing shoes, we pull by the loops, then alternately throw them on the hooks - that's it!
            3. Martin
              Martin 19 June 2020 15: 23 New
              0
              How many movements does it take to push a giraffe into the refrigerator? smile
              This is a children's riddle.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 17 June 2020 22: 17 New
          0
          Л.в компашке с "диссидентами" типа "правозащитник", набрался о дикости русской армии.
          autonomy and survival in a clean field - forest - more important than smelly rags.
          and socks do not stink? -if you only go to the dining room, without a power supply in the field
          and you don’t pull socks on the rocket, and you can mask a whole rocket with a footcloth
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 18 June 2020 12: 38 New
          0
          The footcloths were comfortable under army boots. Shoes changed, socks appeared. Hooks, gates, overcoats with slits on the back, boots with windings, I hope they are gone forever.
        5. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 18 June 2020 21: 35 New
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          Quote: credo
          А запах от "куска ткани" и "нормального текстильного изделия" одинаков, если их не стирать.

          По утверждению Ларсона, советские солдаты "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".

          Pisaka, damn it, almost saw through our secret weapons and means for expedited interrogation of prisoners!
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 17 June 2020 14: 40 New
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      With what pleasure would this piece of rag be driven into his mouth for his filthy speeches
      As in the war our fathers and grandfathers took the tongue when it was taken And nothing came to Berlin
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 June 2020 14: 49 New
        -7
        The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"

        А армейская поговорка: "Ты мне друг или портянка?" Она что-то говорит автору? Что-то я не слышал такого про их носки! Согласитесь: по ихнему это не звучит. yes
        1. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 17 June 2020 15: 51 New
          +9
          How did the footcloth protect the boot from dirt? She is inside! Winter footcloths - cloth! All rural Russia wore and wears footcloths. If the footcloth stinks in a leather boot, does the sock in the same boot smell like a chypre? Socks in our chota boots do not last long.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 18 June 2020 11: 51 New
            0
            And newspapers were wrapped around footcloths. Very warm.
        2. bayard
          bayard 17 June 2020 16: 26 New
          +2
          Вы просто плохо знакомы с народным фольклором про "ароматные носки" . И американский фольклор на этот счёт нисколько не отстаёт от отечественного . wink
          1. zwlad
            zwlad 17 June 2020 21: 11 New
            +1
            Oh yeah! Gaza Strip!
        3. iouris
          iouris 17 June 2020 22: 44 New
          0
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          "Ты мне друг или портянка?"

          Stupid saying, I never heard her. Different levels of culture and different technological levels. Different environmental conditions. The United States has never seriously fought. In addition, the footcloths for CA were not made from nylon.
    3. ApJlekuHo
      ApJlekuHo 17 June 2020 16: 53 New
      -1
      (It is necessary to throw this Larson on a march, in kirsach to correct, in socks).

      They finally realized, the main, secret footcloths, the key to the success of the Slavs.
    4. Hagen
      Hagen 17 June 2020 19: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: DargAVS
      (It is necessary to throw this Larson on a march, in kirsach to correct, in socks).

      Что-то вспомнилось:"....Спецназ США показал себя слабаком на проходящих в Казахстане международных соревнованиях "супербойцов" десяти армий мира. Американцы в первый же день отказались от участия в соревнованиях. Причина - супер-Джи-Ай "не выдержали жары и тяжелых условий". Правда, потом объясняли с умным видом, что "и не собирались выкладываться":
      Международные соревнования спецназа в Казахстане : Американские неженки сошли с дистанции от обезвоживания. Соревнования лучших разведчиков, спецназовцев со всего мира проходят в Казахстане, за победу борются 10 команд из России, Белоруссии, Казахстана, США и др...."
      В США даже спецназ бегать боится, а вы какого-то ларсона ... и в кирзачах. А я бы и сегодня в сапог портяночку бы намотал... И хрен с ней, что она не от "Кардена" laughing
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 17 June 2020 21: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        stepped away from dehydration.

        Они умудрились сойти с дистанции от обезвоживания на каких-то учениях зимой в арктике. Ну, типа их учили, что снег жрать нельзя, потому что из-за отсутствия солей в нем у организма нарушается гидрирование.. какую то заумную ересь нёс, короче смысл такой, что лучше не выполнить задачу, но остаться "гидрированными", чем получить взыскание за нарушение режима.
        1. Victor67
          Victor67 17 June 2020 23: 02 New
          -5
          And can you give me more details on which particular exercises in the Arctic they left the race? I asked this because, due to such a donkey in the ranks of the nachsostav in 1941, our valiant cadre army was unwound by the same German stupid people, poorly dressed, not eating snow, not drinking water from the swamp, demanding French wine from silver shot glasses, etc. Passing them to Moscow with the existing balance of forces and means was universal shame ...
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 18 June 2020 18: 33 New
            0
            I don’t remember where I read this material, it was a long time ago.
            Well, that’s good. Exemplary soldiers followed the instructions. At the same time, they did not complete the task. In the exercises, let's say they did everything right. And in a real war? When landing, you lost a flask of isotonic solution. All, captive surrender?
            1. Victor67
              Victor67 18 June 2020 19: 25 New
              -1
              It’s very bad that you don’t remember, but write all kinds of crap! I wrote a little higher that these hat-tempering moods, like we tearing these sissies in socks, socks, eating oranges for lunch, cost a lot in 1941. As for the footcloths and socks, try to buy your own socks from the standard kit for the US infantry, you go barefoot for a year without them, plus antibacterial impregnation and the absence of any smells.
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 19 June 2020 09: 11 New
                0
                Quote: Victor67
                As for the footcloths and socks, try to buy your own socks from the standard kit for the US infantry, you go barefoot for a year without them, plus antibacterial impregnation and the absence of any smells.

                Well, I do not argue that everything is cool there. Although I did not check, But I am sure that progress does not stand still. And I do not urge anyone to throw anything at all; do not speak for me.
                But just imagine, the evil partisans shot down in the jungle with a helicopter loaded with high-tech socks. Everything, the war is over, surrender !!! So what?
                The army should be such that to carry out their tasks in any conditions. In an extreme case, be prepared to drink water from the swamp, and not die from it. In the absence of socks - cut into the footcloth uniforms of the defeated enemy, and stomp on.
                Why nanotech socks may be missing is another story, beyond the scope of this discussion.
                1. Victor67
                  Victor67 19 June 2020 17: 38 New
                  0
                  The army should be such that the soldier in the trench had nanotechnological socks, fresh fruit, and a glass of vodka for the night with a snack. And it is up to the commanders and suppliers to prevent soldiers from drinking water from the swamp. A defeated enemy must be buried, and not looted in his pockets due to the fact that the ensign sold the supply in the market, well, or, in a modern way))))
      2. Victor67
        Victor67 18 June 2020 19: 12 New
        0
        Could you tell me in more detail how the Americans refused to participate in competitions, well, are there any links to documents, articles from serious resources?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 18 June 2020 19: 46 New
          -1
          Quote: Victor67
          And you can in more detail, well, there are some links to documents, articles

          You stick a fragment from the comment in Yandex, and you will be everything that your heart desires. Ali did not guess ?!
          1. Victor67
            Victor67 18 June 2020 20: 09 New
            0
            If you consider me stupid, then this is absolutely unfair. There, in Yandex, on this subject, there was one article in LJ from some kind of loshped with the nickname Matveychev Oleg, who with a probability of 0,99 did not serve in the army. It’s just that a man was peeing on a fan and that’s all ... Will you personally give something serious about their escape from the competition because of your reluctance to give all your best?
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 18 June 2020 20: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Victor67
              one note in LiveJournal from some kind of loshped with nickname Matveychev Oleg

              You are painfully arrogant ... First of all, there are notes about this there ... hell. Secondly, maybe he didn’t serve, but nobody refuted his Old. I myself did not participate there. But I see no reason to question the unproved information. Do you want to protect them? Prove that this one ... as you called him there ... brought a misinformation. It's all so simple. Blame it - prove it.
              1. Victor67
                Victor67 18 June 2020 23: 17 New
                0
                You, nevertheless, give a link to some serious resource on the topic of running away from the competition of Americans? Or will you also write on the fan? I hate this demagogy in one glass with cheers-patriotism in footcloths.
  2. Far B
    Far B 17 June 2020 14: 05 New
    20
    Aftyr is a ram. For foot boots, the best solution. And you can knock down your legs with socks - if the elastic breaks, it will not seem enough. In long transitions, of course
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 14: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      And you can knock down your legs with socks - if the elastic breaks, it will not seem enough.

      А уж насчëт "вонючести"... lol
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 17 June 2020 14: 20 New
        +9
        Well, it depends on the desire to observe the hygiene of the boot owner IMHO
        1. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 17 June 2020 15: 52 New
          +1
          The smell of genuine leather is definitely not a chanel
      2. Far B
        Far B 17 June 2020 14: 21 New
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        Definitely. Footcloths are dried over any bonfire. And socks (army, by the way, nishtyak, I’ve only taken them lately), but you can’t place them normally on a vein - they will either burn out or not dry. Judging by the experience of taiga, I think, not strong differences.
        1. Martin
          Martin 17 June 2020 16: 00 New
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          Footcloths are dried over any bonfire.
          The special value of footcloths is that they are dried without a fire. Moreover - right on the go. Once the wet footcloth is rewound with the dry end onto the foot, and wet with the ankle and continue on the path, like ... oppa! ... a miracle is wonderful, the wet end dries up on the warm ankle, the dry one gradually gets wet on the sweating foot. The footcloth got wet - “Rewind the footcloths!” And again: the dried end on the foot, wet on the ankle. Thus, a soldier can be in search almost forever! smile And over the fire - this is a five-star hotel.
          1. avib
            avib 17 June 2020 17: 50 New
            12
            Footcloths - a universal thing. Dimensionless. Gathered from the whole company, washed and handed back to each pair. No sizes. Logistics - level 80 - everything is simple. For boots - that’s it.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 17 June 2020 21: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Martyn
            the wet end dries on a warm ankle, the dry end gradually gets wet on a sweating foot

            I've been using footcloths all my life, but I never learned to sweat my feet and dry my ankles. So the whole leg sweats ... sad и по старинке в "пятизвездочном отеле" и сушу...
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 18 June 2020 06: 24 New
          -1
          all this talk about the superiority of footcloths from lack of money. the technology has already gone far ahead and the partisans sheepskin sheepskin coats, boots, etc. well, leave it all in the past if you are in the taiga for 50 km a day by foot on hills with equipment then you take the best lightweight material in modern materials in Cabelas
      3. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 17 June 2020 14: 22 New
        +5
        А уж насчëт "вонючести"... lol


        Yeah. At night in the barracks. laughing
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 17 June 2020 14: 47 New
          18
          Quote: Interlocutor
          А уж насчëт "вонючести"... lol


          Yeah. At night in the barracks. laughing

          Nothing special request . A minute and you no longer smell anything No. .

          Remembered the joke:
          At night in the barracks, scream -Open the window, stuffy belay .
          Someone throws a boot, the clink of glass ... a joyful exclamation is heard, -Okay, fresh air! ...
          In the morning everyone saw that they had broken ... a mirror winked
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 15: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: Terenin
            Nothing special . A minute and you no longer smell anything

            Yes. But you will come in from fresh air - like a butt on your forehead!
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 16 New
              +8
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              6 years lived in a trailer on a business trip

              Vasily, well, these years probably were not the worst!?
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 15: 24 New
                +5
                Quote: Terenin
                Vasily, well, these years probably were not the worst!?

                No were not! Definitely! good
                Beloved wife, again, brought from there. bully
                Grandma, however, died without me. But they released for the funeral, all honor to honor ...
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 28 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  Beloved wife, again, brought from there

                  Happy you are a man good .
                  Py.Sy. The same or something, I buy a trailer ... winked a joke wink
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 15: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Terenin
                    The same or something, I buy a trailer ...

                    For 6 years, it somehow formed itself. laughing
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 17 June 2020 19: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Quote: Terenin
              Nothing special . A minute and you no longer smell anything

              Yes. But you will come in from fresh air - like a butt on your forehead!

              So, usually footcloths were washed for the night. If it’s completely exhausted, for example, after the 3rd flight change, then yes, it happened. The costs of combat training, nothing can be done. By the way, we were not forbidden to wear socks, we had the same parsley with them.
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 19: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Doliva63
                So, usually footcloths were washed for the night.

                Each monastery has its own charter. request
                And in the barracks, the Dukhan and besides the footcloths have something to come from. Refined cocktail of aromas, pancake ... wassat
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 17 June 2020 20: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  So, usually footcloths were washed for the night.

                  Each monastery has its own charter. request
                  And in the barracks, the Dukhan and besides the footcloths have something to come from. Refined cocktail of aromas, pancake ... wassat

                  Да,но смотрите: стиранные портянки ночью в сушилке, личный состав, если были "нагрузки", принял душ, в казарме везде разнопахнущие цветы благоухают. Ну, специфический запах юфтевых сапог, может быть. Но он как родной уже, его не заметишь даже с улицы.
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 20: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    личный состав, если были "нагрузки", принял душ, в казарме везде разнопахнущие цветы благоухают. Ну, специфический запах юфтевых сапог

                    laughing Suede boots with a peculiar smell, you say? laughing A shower in the barracks? laughing laughing Are the flowers fragrant? laughing laughing laughing
                    Я, хоть и служил в гарнизоне (Монино) и "настоящей" полевой службы не видел, но озвученное Вами, представляю с трудом, а точнее - вообще не представляю... what
                    1. zwlad
                      zwlad 17 June 2020 21: 19 New
                      +2
                      Well, we definitely didn’t have this in Totsk. Shower - washbasin with cold water.
                      1. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 21: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: zwlad
                        Shower - washbasin with cold water.

                        And a foot bath. Avoiding depletion. Type of such:

                        Service, his mom ... laughing
                      2. oldzek
                        oldzek 17 June 2020 21: 58 New
                        0
                        Well, we didn’t lift our legs, we had cranes for our legs ... though the barracks were German. I served in the GSVG in the 60s.
                      3. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 22: 04 New
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                        Quote: oldzek
                        Well, we didn’t lift our legs, we had cranes for our legs

                        You don’t have to lift anything in the foot bath.

                        You get up, it happened, around five or four and enjoy ... wassat
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 19 June 2020 13: 08 New
                      0
                      Correctly up-to-date contemporaneity, building codes should be adopted for the construction and overhaul of barracks and introduced into them mandatory walk-in showers and laundries with heating and separate filtering of washing liquids in the shower and in the laundry room. Modern pools work just like that - in a closed loop. In addition, some water features are also sports facilities, such as a wave pool.
                      In the video, as an illustration, the inside of the tower, which is very similar to a large walk-through shower.

                2. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 18 June 2020 20: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  личный состав, если были "нагрузки", принял душ, в казарме везде разнопахнущие цветы благоухают. Ну, специфический запах юфтевых сапог

                  laughing Suede boots with a peculiar smell, you say? laughing A shower in the barracks? laughing laughing Are the flowers fragrant? laughing laughing laughing
                  Я, хоть и служил в гарнизоне (Монино) и "настоящей" полевой службы не видел, но озвученное Вами, представляю с трудом, а точнее - вообще не представляю... what

                  Yuft boots - ordinary, which were supposed to be a military serviceman laughing
                  Shower - we took off and bought a shower cabin for the fighters laughing
                  Цветы в казарме - прихоть командира. Проверяющие поражались - "мы в казарме или в оранжерее? но...,б.лин, здорово, молодцы!" laughing
                  Our army was big and very different. laughing drinks
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 21: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Our army was big and very different.

                    This is yes! A friend served somewhere for Tagil, three days on deer to get there. belay I knew Zen and even one side of reality ... wassat
                  2. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 June 2020 21: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Our army was big and very different.

                    This is yes! A friend served somewhere for Tagil, three days on deer to get there. belay I knew Zen and even one side of reality ... wassat

                    "Где-то за Тагилом" тянется до Полярного круга и далее laughing
                  3. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 21: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    "Где-то за Тагилом" тянется до Полярного круга и далее

                    Well, I say: three days on deer. I remember writing letters - N. Tagil and part number. I asked later, he just waved ... request
                    Now you won’t ask. Diabetes, an insulin coma ... Two years ago.
                  4. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 June 2020 21: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    "Где-то за Тагилом" тянется до Полярного круга и далее

                    Well, I say: three days on deer. I remember writing letters - N. Tagil and part number. I asked later, he just waved ... request

                    Strategic Rocket Forces?
                  5. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 21: 57 New
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Strategic Rocket Forces?

                    He said something about communication. I asked a couple of times, he moved off topic, I no longer insisted. yes
                  6. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 June 2020 22: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Strategic Rocket Forces?

                    He said something about communication. I asked a couple of times, he moved off topic, I no longer insisted. yes

                    Если реально связь - то, наверное, что-то серьёзное, типа контроля линий гос.связи. Если РВСН - тоже не лучше, типа , как их называют, "шифрЫ". С последними я более-менее знаком и в Свободном бывал не раз - это тоже "за Тагилом", но не очень далеко. У меня брат "шифрОм" был на срочке, потом в ракетное поступил. К ним не всякий "особист" попасть мог, мягко говоря.
                  7. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 18 June 2020 22: 16 New
                    0
                    I don’t know, I won’t lie. hi
                  8. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 June 2020 22: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    I don’t know, I won’t lie. hi

                    And it’s better not to specify once again laughing
                  9. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 19 June 2020 00: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    And it’s better not to specify once again

                    Not. Thirty years have passed ... Yes, and no one else has sad
  • Souchastnik
    Souchastnik 18 June 2020 09: 18 New
    +2
    took a shower, in the barracks everywhere odorous flowers ...

    We also took a shower in the school. I put my head under a faucet with cold water (apparently they forgot to hold the hot one) and wash your waist. And on weekends a bath with hot water. For those who want to wash completely unscheduled, after work or a march, for example, there was a rubber hose.
    But there were no flowers. Did not survive. laughing
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 18 June 2020 21: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Souchastnik
      took a shower, in the barracks everywhere odorous flowers ...

      We also took a shower in the school. I put my head under a faucet with cold water (apparently they forgot to hold the hot one) and wash your waist. And on weekends a bath with hot water. For those who want to wash completely unscheduled, after work or a march, for example, there was a rubber hose.
      But there were no flowers. Did not survive. laughing

      Are you talking about a military school? Yes, in the winter with a shower there were some problems. And in the summer - I drove OKU-32 with an hour, already the remaining fat from the pores climb - you unscrew the spout from the washbasin, more pressure - and here you have a blessed shower! Until the foreman expels laughing And the flowers in the school were, at least in the lenkomnat and in the household room - well, the one with mirrors and ironing boards, you probably forgot. And watered these flowers outfit by company.
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 19 June 2020 09: 39 New
        0
        And the flowers in the school were, at least in the lenkomnat and in the household room

        I have not forgotten. We had no flowers. Neither in the cabins nor in the lenkomnat. At the entrance to the bedside table was a container with pebbles and a grill. Presumably for flowers. But there were no flowers. request
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 June 2020 21: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Souchastnik
        And the flowers in the school were, at least in the lenkomnat and in the household room

        I have not forgotten. We had no flowers. Neither in the cabins nor in the lenkomnat. At the entrance to the bedside table was a container with pebbles and a grill. Presumably for flowers. But there were no flowers. request

        Hmm, our army was big and different. But, damn it, in the Lenkomnat the flowers were even in the infantry of the UMSR in Elani, where in winter it was +8 in the barracks. laughing drinks
  • PValery53
    PValery53 18 June 2020 00: 24 New
    0
    В казарме л/с принюхивается к своим запахам, а вот дневальный под утро заходит, и у него от "плотного" воздуха("хоть топор вешай!") аж глаза слезятся !(помню по учебке с 2-этажными кроватями)
  • major147
    major147 17 June 2020 15: 02 New
    +5
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    А уж насчëт "вонючести"...

    "Наши онучи ихних не вонючей!" (с)
  • ltc35
    ltc35 17 June 2020 20: 26 New
    +2
    Footcloths are more hygienic than a sock! Sweating - rewound to the other side and they dried out. With socks, such a trick will not work! laughing
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 20: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: ltc35
      With socks, such a trick will not work!

      Не знаю, читали ли Вы "Карлсона, который живëт на крыше", но тому с лëгкостью это удавалось. Когда его бабушка кричала "Переодень носки, Карлсончик! Переодень носки!" Он легко и непринуждëнно переодевал с правой ноги на левую и наоборот. wassat
  • akropin
    akropin 17 June 2020 14: 55 New
    -2
    На работе у меня мальчишка вернулся из армии 3 года назад. Морпех разведчик. Я его спрашиваю - экипировку "Ратник" видел, берцы носил, как служилось? Ответ был такой: "А что такое "Ратник"? Берцы носил только в части, в поле только кирзачи с портянками. Служил нормально, возвращаться не хочу".
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 June 2020 15: 12 New
      +3
      What kind of nonsense? Kirzach is not in clothing contentment from the word at all. Like footcloths. He certainly returned 3 years ago and not 30?) And the warrior 3 years ago just started to deliver.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 10 New
    11
    По утверждению Ларсона, советские солдаты "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".
    Ha, can you think socks after socks roses smelled and were cleaner?
    By the way, it was very easy to wash and dry, unlike socks!
    And for the little pigs there was always a stimulant ... kind, kind, sergeant or foreman!
    However, Larson emphasizes, wrapping foot wraps on foot is not as easy as it seems.

    Twice ha, it doesn’t seem like it, but it takes an hour to train under the guidance of an experienced sergeant and all business ... however, especially gifted ones and a sock can wear a collar!
    They absorbed moisture, prevented corns and scuffs, and also protected the boots themselves from dirt and stones.
    Captain evidence ... I want to note, well, all this was carried out! Just not BOOTS, but LEGS!
    1. Andrey Miroshnichenko
      Andrey Miroshnichenko 17 June 2020 14: 14 New
      +8
      Vivat! I fall from my chair, as footcloths could protect boots from stones and dirt.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 17 June 2020 14: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: Andrey Miroshnichenko
        Vivat! I fall from my chair, as footcloths could protect boots from stones and dirt.

        lol
        Не сапоги, а как автор пишет : "кожаные ботинки без шнурков"?!
        It feels like it was written by a woman ...

        Any army is based on many years of tradition. For example, footcloths are a tradition of the Russian army.
        Similarly, for example, I do not understand the practicality of the skirts (in their kilts) for the Scottish shooters.
        1. Far B
          Far B 17 June 2020 14: 39 New
          17
          Как непонятно? Фаберже не потеют. Рука не тянется их почесать, соответственно, пальцы сухие и к тетиве не прилепают. Все легко об'яснимо, если дать волю фантазии
          1. major071
            major071 17 June 2020 14: 53 New
            +7
            Faberge do not sweat. The hand does not stretch to scratch them, respectively, the fingers are dry and do not stick to the bowstring
            .
            Михаил, вы меня "убили". laughing I have never considered wearing kilts from such an angle. drinks Urgently need to catch Muse ... winked
            1. Far B
              Far B 17 June 2020 14: 58 New
              +8
              Always at your service. I mnu myself this one, like evo ... Duncan MacLeod consulted. I advised him such, do not bring the Lord. In short, I am always ready.
              1. major071
                major071 17 June 2020 15: 06 New
                17
                Если ветер "поддувает"
                Chilling a little testicles
                Letting go of the kilt
                The scent of unwashed feet
                You are already a wonderful archer,
                Kohl hand under the kilt does not climb
                To scratch what was combed
                Distracted at this moment ...
                wink drinks
          2. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 17 June 2020 14: 53 New
            18
            Quote: Dalny V
            Все легко об'яснимо, если дать волю фантазии

            That's right. In frosty weather, the Scottish army does not need a drummer to set the rhythm on the march.
            1. Far B
              Far B 17 June 2020 15: 47 New
              +8
              The ringing of the frozen bells came to their ears, and Chingachguk said to Uncas: Chew! But will this Scot reach Ryazan?
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 17 June 2020 18: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Dalny V
                The ringing of the frozen bells came to their ears, and Chingachguk said to Uncas: Chew! But will this Scot reach Ryazan?

                The young warrior was in no hurry to answer. For the response of a man must be well thought out and balanced. Finally, after a short silence, broken only by the creak of snow under the numb feet of a Scots who was leaving for sunset and gradually calming down, he said: Father, you and I are the last of our tribe, and that strange pale-faced, it seems to me, is the last of his kind. And neither to Ryazan, much less to Ivanovo he should go nowhere. Let's go pick him up squaw. He will not need it anymore. I hope your big snake can still sting.
        2. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 17 June 2020 14: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: Lynx2000
          for example, I don’t understand the practicality of the skirts (in their kilts) of the Scottish shooters.

          Thanks to kilts in windy weather, the Scottish army looks especially menacing. wink
          1. Katanikotael
            Katanikotael 17 June 2020 14: 59 New
            +1
            Is this a bike, or did they really begin to issue cowards after the Queen’s speech when the entire first row sat with legs apart?
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 17 June 2020 16: 25 New
              +7
              The bike. Underpants are forbidden there by a uniform, a sergeant with a mirror walks, checks. Only one sat with his legs apart, he repented, said that he was inadvertently, and in the photo his cock was retouched.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 17 June 2020 18: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: bk0010
                a sergeant with a mirror walks, checks.

                There is a joke on this topic:
                Drill in the Scottish army. The sergeant goes around the entrusted unit. Approaches one soldier and asks loudly
                - Private McGregor!
                - Me sir!
                - Why is your kilt 10 centimeters longer than it should be under the charter?
                “Well, what do you think yourself, sir?”
                1. Dart
                  Dart 17 June 2020 22: 51 New
                  0
                  I was not too lazy to copy-paste your messages to classmates ...
                  Thank you! drinks good
              2. Souchastnik
                Souchastnik 18 June 2020 09: 33 New
                +1
                sergeant with a mirror walks

                Are the boots not polished enough? am
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 18 June 2020 09: 37 New
                  0
                  So they don’t even have pants, where are the boots from? Only some civilian boots with leggings. But do you really clean them ?!
          2. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 18 June 2020 03: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Polite Moose

            Thanks to kilts in windy weather, the Scottish army looks especially menacing. wink

            Вот с каких времен пошло выражение - "пиписьками меряться".
            So in their armies it is now customary to wear diapers.
            They say that their kilt helps to run through the mountains.
            I myself spent every summer in the Altai Mountains, Dad was an instructor in mountain tourism. Sometimes on the descent along the path, gravel will float under the foot, sometimes on the ass and back you will climb through several meters. So it is in canvas trousers. And in a skirt, but naked ...
            In the trench life is somehow dumb. Only Madame on Trafalgar Square embarrass.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 18 June 2020 07: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Lynx2000
              They say that their kilt helps to run through the mountains.

              This statement came from mountain honey collectors.
              1. Lynx2000
                Lynx2000 18 June 2020 07: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Polite Moose
                Quote: Lynx2000
                They say that their kilt helps to run through the mountains.

                This statement came from mountain honey collectors.

                wink
                Controversial statement. Just my grandfather raised bees and an apiary (wheelbarrow) in the summer exhibited in the foothills of Altai. I have never seen someone wearing skirts in a medical pump. Bees are faster than a cross country runner. I checked. laughing
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 18 June 2020 08: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Lynx2000
                  Controversial statement.

                  Ancient Scottish beekeepers claim that according to their personal observations, a man in a skirt who has got to the apiary runs from it along the mountainous area much faster than bees and, especially, a man in trousers. wink
                  Quote: Lynx2000
                  Bees are faster than a cross country runner. I checked.

                  Try to do the same in kilt. Although it’s better not to. laughing
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 17 June 2020 14: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: Andrey Miroshnichenko
        I fall from my chair, as footcloths could protect boots from stones and dirt.

        If you wrap footcloths over your boots, then ... Well, what to take from an American? fool
      3. bk0010
        bk0010 17 June 2020 16: 23 New
        +3
        Dirty feet - footcloths protect boots from them. It’s harder with stones: it’s hard to imagine feet so dirty that the dirt is rammed directly into the stones. But we are not looking for easy ways! And imagine.
    2. Andrey Miroshnichenko
      Andrey Miroshnichenko 17 June 2020 14: 19 New
      +2
      I laugh at the author of the article not at you!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 26 New
        +4
        Author, foreign, not in courses how it works! Maybe he recalls the chronicle of the First World War or the period when the Red Army really lacked boots and had boots with windings ... it’s still not clear. Well, God bless him ... we all REMEMBER!
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 17 June 2020 14: 35 New
          +6
          Maybe he recalls the chronicle of the First World War or the period when the Red Army really lacked boots and had boots with windings.

          boots with windings were not only in the Red Army, but also in the armies of other states. Not because of the lack of boots.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 48 New
            0
            There were, for various reasons ... trying to understand how footcloths protected boots from stones and dirt.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 17 June 2020 14: 51 New
              +2
              how footcloths protected boots from stones and dirt.

              he probably mixed up boots and boots with windings. According to his version, a footcloth is wound on top of the bootleg and protects it.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 59 New
                0
                Here I am about the same as an assumption, not a statement.
        2. edmed
          edmed 17 June 2020 16: 16 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          boot and there were boots with windings

          I’ll give up my 5 kopecks, the Boer War changed a lot in military fashion, hacks, boots in Yu .A, well, somehow not very, boots, yes, but an infection, there is a thorny bush, that is, you need windings, protect your ankles, well then it started, everyone picked up fashion, again the economic fact that it’s more expensive than shoes or boots, not forgetting the climate of Europe.
    3. Lynx-z
      Lynx-z 17 June 2020 15: 42 New
      +5
      judging by the text, footcloths were already given out as smelly))
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 18 June 2020 09: 09 New
        0
        judging by the text, footcloths were already given out as smelly))

        wassat good
  • Egoza
    Egoza 17 June 2020 14: 12 New
    14
    And what diapers from footcloths turned out! The best present for a young dad from his comrades is a whole set of footcloths that were intended for a platoon!
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 17 June 2020 14: 21 New
      +4
      and the opposite situation .... when the diapers disappear need.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 17 June 2020 15: 48 New
      +3
      ... from the warm .. hi which they did ..
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 17 June 2020 14: 12 New
    14
    По утверждению Ларсона, советские солдаты "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".

    Continuing the same logic, the stew is heated pieces of animal corpses. wassat
    Короче, очередная клюква об "этих диких русских".
    1. Far B
      Far B 17 June 2020 14: 23 New
      10
      I like heated pieces of animal corpses, especially with buckwheat or rice. To you Am I a scumbag?
      1. major147
        major147 17 June 2020 15: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Dalny V
        Am I a scumbag?

        What else lol Но не одинокий в свой "любови" repeat
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 17 June 2020 19: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Far In
        I like heated pieces of animal corpses, especially with buckwheat or rice. To you Am I a scumbag?

        Настоящие ценители "нагретых кусков трупов животных" предпочитали их с горохом - пища богов! Но, правда, нечасто встречалось. drinks
  • Ravik
    Ravik 17 June 2020 14: 13 New
    14
    Shoes and kirzachi are incorrect to compare.
    Socks stink no worse than footcloths. And torn for one, two, three ...
    On the march I won’t exchange any footcloths even for golden socks.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 29 New
      +2
      Now, it's all about Feng Shui ... i.e. on space technology. Quality shoes and socks, this is normal.
      Boots with footcloths were good! Apply now, but only when without them completely seams.
    2. major147
      major147 17 June 2020 15: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Ravik
      Shoes and kirzachi are incorrect to compare.
      Socks stink no worse than footcloths. And torn for one, two, three ...
      On the march I won’t exchange any footcloths even for golden socks.

      В начале срочной службы довелось служить в ТуркВО г. Самарканд. Так довелось носить и сапоги с портянками и ботинки с носками. Я за сапоги с портянками. Те носки которые нам выдавали через часа четыре активной носки становились липкими и скользкими. А портянку перемотал и снова "как новый".
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: major147
        Те носки которые нам выдавали через часа четыре активной носки становились липкими и скользкими. А портянку перемотал и снова "как новый".

        The soldier asks the foremen:
        - And these are new footcloths?
        - Well, not new, but clean ... Well, not clean, but washing ... Well, let's go replace.
  • Well done
    Well done 17 June 2020 14: 13 New
    +2
    What an unusual approach to ordinary things! laughingА про вонючесть да, летом ночью в казарме те еще "ароматы". laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 June 2020 14: 30 New
      +4
      If there are a lot of people, the room is poorly ventilated and there are enough aromas without footcloths.
    2. Crane
      Crane 17 June 2020 14: 40 New
      +3
      “Comrade Warrant Officer, let’s get a goat in the barracks.”
      - So it stinks!
      - Yes, we already sniffed.
      1. region58
        region58 18 June 2020 21: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Crane
        let's get a goat in the barracks.

        Option:
        - And let's get a pig. The meat will be fat!
        - What are you ?! Dangers, stinks ...
        - Nothing, get used to it.
    3. vvvjak
      vvvjak 17 June 2020 14: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Welldone
      А про вонючесть да, летом ночью в казарме те еще "ароматы".

      А что портянки делают ночью в казарме? Зашел в сушилку, снял сапоги, одел тапочки, развесил портянки на просушку, помыл ноги и только потом в "располагу". У нас "ароматов" в казарме не было, ну если только после горохового концентрата. laughing
      1. Well done
        Well done 17 June 2020 15: 15 New
        +4
        У нас сушилка работала только зимой. Портянки на ночь просто "накидывали" на сапоги. А вот горохом нас не кормили вообще) У нас в части был свой свинарник, поэтому все блюда были с салом. На дембель уходил "харя шире плеч" и это в довольно "кризисные" 97-99г.
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 17 June 2020 15: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Welldone
          Our dryer only worked in the winter.

          We constantly had boots with footcloths only in the dryer. This, however, was one, but a big drawback: in the event of an alarm, the crowd rushed into the dryer and grabbed the boots at hand, and not ours. So I, with other people's boots, earned my first corns. He served with you at the same time 97-98 (a year, because he was already with higher education).
          1. not main
            not main 17 June 2020 22: 40 New
            0
            Quote: vvvjak
            Quote: Welldone
            Our dryer only worked in the winter.

            We constantly had boots with footcloths only in the dryer. This, however, was one, but a big drawback: in the event of an alarm, the crowd rushed into the dryer and grabbed the boots at hand, and not ours. So I, with other people's boots, earned my first corns. He served with you at the same time 97-98 (a year, because he was already with higher education).

            Then it is clear! Our footcloths were dried on boots or on the crossbar of the end of the bed. 80-84 years
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 18 June 2020 17: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: vvvjak
        And what do footcloths do at night in the barracks? I went into the dryer, took off my boots, put on slippers,

        Совершенно верно.У нас в располаге разрешалось ходить в сапогах ,только дежурному наряду по роте,ну и офицерам тоже.А так сразу у входа была сушилка ,чисто для обуви и если ты зашел в" роту" более чем минут 15 то будь добр разуться и развесить партосы.И это делалось даже не из за соображений вонючести,а от того ,что иначе в субботу "вспотеешь" с щеткой дк чиркаши со взлетки оттирать laughing
    4. major147
      major147 17 June 2020 15: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Welldone
      летом ночью в казарме те еще "ароматы".

      In summer, windows can be opened, but in winter .....
      1. Well done
        Well done 17 June 2020 16: 02 New
        +1
        Мне не повезло. У нас окна казармы выходили на "гражданку" и поэтому были зарешечены и забиты наглухо. (чтоб бухло не передавали))
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 17 June 2020 14: 14 New
    +7
    Pffff, he still hasn’t remembered his greatcoats, sidors - duffel bags, three-fingered gloves, and much more. good
  • svp67
    svp67 17 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +4
    По утверждению Ларсона, советские солдаты "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".
    You might think that with American soldiers, after a day of socks in boots, socks were fragrant with roses. But the fact that the footcloth and tarpaulin boot is the best combination for the mass army is a fact, an unapplied fact
    1. Far B
      Far B 17 June 2020 14: 27 New
      +4
      How can you ?! Eto American soldiers. They even fart butterflies, what foot wraps ?!
  • askort154
    askort154 17 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +6
    The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"


    Лучше посмотрите, в чём бежали французы из под Москвы, и немцы из под Сталинграда. Тогда вам русские "куски тряпок" - предстанут в другом образе.
  • novel66
    novel66 17 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +6
    it’s not as easy to wrap footcloths as it seems

    Sergeant would be good for you ..
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 June 2020 14: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: novel xnumx
      it’s not as easy to wrap footcloths as it seems

      Sergeant would be good for you ..

      Any sergeant in his favor
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 June 2020 14: 54 New
        +4
        oh gene hi do not say there are such
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 17 June 2020 14: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: novel xnumx
          oh gene hi do not say there are such

          Roma winked чую, что -"...этот нехороший человек предаст нас при первой опасности".
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 June 2020 15: 04 New
            +3
            so be it, grab the makeup bag and tear !!
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 09 New
              +5
              Quote: novel xnumx
              so be it, grab the makeup bag and tear !!

              Why are you holding him? Let him run. He had a year, three for an escape, five for a kindergarten. Run, run, Johnny. laughing
              1. novel66
                novel66 17 June 2020 15: 12 New
                0
                no, well, and who is behind the machine gun ??? (and a good movie !!)
          2. sergo1914
            sergo1914 17 June 2020 15: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Terenin
            this bad man will betray


            I mean gay? Then the word is spelled differently.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: sergo1914
              Quote: Terenin
              this bad man will betray


              I mean gay? Then the word is spelled differently.

              As our heroes from
              Quote: novel xnumx
              but a good movie !!
              про статью К.Ларсона, что парень - "Фуфло толкает", но есть толерантный перевод winked - "Говорит неправду?"
    2. major147
      major147 17 June 2020 15: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Sergeant would be good for you ..

      Since 1979, I have not shook. Now I’ll wind it for three seconds with my eyes closed!
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 June 2020 15: 15 New
        +3
        what are we talking about! drinks
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 17 June 2020 19: 38 New
        0
        Quote: major147
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Sergeant would be good for you ..

        Since 1979, I have not shook. Now I’ll wind it for three seconds with my eyes closed!

        Major, you disappoint me in the Soviet soldier - if he spent 6 seconds on footcloths / boots, then he’s as long as 39 seconds. with the rest of the uniform did to get dressed ?! Smoked or what? laughing
        1. major147
          major147 17 June 2020 20: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: Doliva63
          Smoked or what?

          Вы конечно будите смеяться, но практически "курил" (хотя курить не научился) request
          Я призвался в учебку с весом 111 кг при росте 185 см, соответственно выдали мне форму 580 - го размера. Через четыре месяца упорных тренировок я весил ровно 70 кг, но форма осталась прежней. Так что по команде "отбой" я распускал брючной ремень и расстёгивал крючок на куртке и снимал форму. Одевался по команде "Подьём!" в обратном порядке, так что время "покурить" было!

          I'm on the right of the sergeant.


          Accordingly, after 4 months.
          1. oldzek
            oldzek 17 June 2020 22: 07 New
            0
            and on the contrary, I was 68kg came home after 27 months 75kg. Tankers should not be givers!
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 18 June 2020 09: 12 New
            0
            judging by panama, did you serve in TURKVO?
            But there, it seems, the shoes were fit.
            1. major147
              major147 18 June 2020 11: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: glory1974
              judging by panama, did you serve in TURKVO?
              But there, it seems, the shoes were fit.

              Winter period - boots, summer period (from April) - boots. In the photo - the end of March.
    3. not main
      not main 17 June 2020 22: 44 New
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      it’s not as easy to wrap footcloths as it seems

      Sergeant would be good for you ..

      Not necessary! Rub your feet once and you can already act as an instructor for winding footcloths!
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 17 June 2020 14: 23 New
    +1
    A Westerner will never understand that footcloths are much more convenient and practical to wear in tarpaulin boots than ordinary socks!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 June 2020 19: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Ru_Na
      A Westerner will never understand that footcloths are much more convenient and practical to wear in tarpaulin boots than ordinary socks!

      Why only in tarpaulin? In any. I saw how the GDR cooperators in the fields wore boots with footcloths, by the way.
  • Unclebens
    Unclebens 17 June 2020 14: 26 New
    11
    Let this wise guy look at WWII statistics. There, the Americans themselves admitted that among the non-combat losses in the ranks, there were, precisely, fungal diseases, which were indicated more than 200, which we did not have when using footcloths. So a boot with a footcloth was much more reliable than berets with socks. The footcloth can be turned over if wet, and the feet are again dry. Drying and washing footcloths is much more convenient and faster. And learning how to wind footcloths is a trifling matter. I myself remember how, when I was fired, I almost ran to the barracks to take off my shoes with socks and put on my boots with footcloths, like in slippers, provided that the boot was fitted and well-groomed. Bertsa in those days still did not differ in tightness, and wet legs are pulled together by any sock, and the Kirsuha still needs to be wetted, but then rewound the footcloth upside down, and went on to drive the Germans further.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 17 June 2020 14: 38 New
      +2
      Let this wise guy look at WWII statistics. There, the Americans themselves admitted that among the non-combat losses in the ranks, there were, precisely, fungal diseases, which were indicated more than 200, which we did not have when using footcloths.

      This expert cannot read; he is a writer. laughing
      You are absolutely right. Americans in their leather berets sipped problems in the trench mud and cold. In my opinion, somewhere on this site I read the statement of American generals about this problem.
      1. Crane
        Crane 17 June 2020 15: 50 New
        +1
        As far as I remember, their berets were not made of smooth leather, but something like nubuck. So they got wet with the consequences. Well, it’s easier to pick up water for the shaft because of its height.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 June 2020 14: 29 New
    0
    Uncle Larson - you dur.ak? ... Winding footcloths, ingenuity is needed ... Larson, this science is not mastered and writes all sorts of crap ..
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 June 2020 14: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Uncle Larson - are you dur.ak?

      Worse, he is an American with the initiative winked
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 17 June 2020 14: 37 New
    -1
    And what they were given, women’s tights or golfs, pampered Anglo-Saxon nonsense who refuse to fight without juice and dry closet))
  • Tagan
    Tagan 17 June 2020 14: 43 New
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    Uncle Larson - you dur.ak? ... Winding footcloths, ingenuity is needed ... Larson, this science is not mastered and writes all sorts of crap ..

    No, he's just in slippers)))
  • HMR333
    HMR333 17 June 2020 14: 44 New
    0
    We went in Nazca when the USSR launched a rocket into space)) what did he write this for Oscar to beat so he wanted to let him try in kirzavoy boots in Nazca?)
  • Unclebens
    Unclebens 17 June 2020 14: 45 New
    0
    By the way, on TopWar, when there was an article about Kirsuha. A man was dragged out of the camps to arrange the production of tarpaulin boots, they shod the army, and then, moreover, they gave the Stalin Prize. And the Americans dragged on with a second front, because of the fact that they could not arrange the release of kirsuha and footcloths, a footcloth needs a flannel, cotton. wassat
  • Fenia04
    Fenia04 17 June 2020 14: 53 New
    +4
    I still use footcloths in working berets. Conveniently.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 June 2020 15: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Fenia04
      I still use footcloths in working berets. Conveniently.

      Eugene, now Caleb Larson may come to cognitive dissonance due to the fact that you know how to reel and wrap footcloths and tie shoelaces laughing
    2. edmed
      edmed 17 June 2020 16: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Fenia04
      I still use footcloths in working berets. Conveniently.

      At the main place of work, only in footcloths, they threw them to another site, in socks, their legs burned for 3 days, the sensation of dipping into acid, either age or physiology.
    3. garri-lin
      garri-lin 17 June 2020 18: 52 New
      0
      Often I went to the forest like that. Officer berets. And a footcloth. You can calmly walk the day.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 17 June 2020 14: 59 New
    +1
    в учебке (ШМАСС в/ч 40710) через неделю уже строились по форме "шесть" (шинель без ремня, шапка с опущенными ушами) повзводно ровно через минуту после команды "подъем"))) С правильно намотанными портянками. Ну были конечно "уникумы" кто и через месяц сбивал ноги))
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 17 June 2020 14: 59 New
    +1
    = Однако, подчеркивает Ларсон, намотать портянки на ногу не так просто, как кажется, их использование можно сравнить с "наложением повязки на ногу". Неправильность намотки =
    There is nothing easier. When winding footcloths, he never put his foot on the floor.
    He threw his left foot onto his right, sitting, of course, and shook his footcloth. And vice versa.
    I would like to look at him in berets in the swamps of the Caves and forests, swamps and streams of Kostroma. The first Kirzachs served me without missing water for 8 months. Then a report, a visa com. companies, warehouse, - new. And forward again. Of course, somewhere and in sneakers it would be more convenient and better, but where I served, both in winter and in summer, it is better - native boots. And footcloths !!!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 June 2020 15: 03 New
    +1
    They absorbed moisture, prevented corns and scuffs, and also protected the boots themselves from dirt and stones.
    Yes, the mentality of Mr. Larsen at the level of Greta Tunberg.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 June 2020 15: 09 New
    +1
    Портянки в русской армии использовались с X века,Например, французское название портянок "chaussette russe" переводится как "русский чулок". Несмотря на анахронизм, портянки имеют массу достоинств. Они крепче, меньше изнашиваются, обмотанные в несколько слоев, лучше сохраняют тепло. Портянку можно изготовить из любого куска ткани .Застал и портянки и носки. Лично мне портянки больше нравятся. Реально теплее.
  • VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 17 June 2020 15: 19 New
    +3
    And I like footcloths. For civilian use. In the garden, I always wear boots on footcloths, though I usually wind them over my socks, if it's cold, then over woolen socks. Socks, by the way, are also difficult in kirzach, especially with knitted woolen ones - they are rubbed in a swoop, and everything is fine in footcloths.
    В походы когда ходил, то и берцы на портянки одевал, дышится в них ноге лучше (качественные х/б носки стоят каких-то диких денег, а ткань на портянки можно подобрать любую на вкус и цвет), сохнут они махом, при нужде можно просто "вверх ногами" перемотать - мокрой частью вверх...

    By the way, I wonder what cowboys and other pioneers of the wild west wore their boots on.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 17 June 2020 15: 21 New
    +1
    This rag is a very ancient tradition among SLAVIAN warriors, from Prussia to Kamchatka, when the boots began to be worn. There is still nothing better on this world, but progress is est progress and a new soldier must always be a few pairs of clean socks and rare mityas.
  • BAI
    BAI 17 June 2020 15: 24 New
    +2
    The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"

    The authors of this phrase never wore footcloths, and moreover, they never walked with a load of 50 kg on their shoulders along rough terrain for 70 km in 30 degree heat.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 17 June 2020 17: 17 New
      -3
      in English the word rag is not. Good quality shoes do not spoil your feet. And we sew boots in the zones. So, from smells and sweating, you can also use drugs, let's say the same boric acid. At the front, bending was treated with soot from paper. They say it helped.
  • Ham
    Ham 17 June 2020 15: 25 New
    0
    that Russian fun is death for a German
  • tolancop
    tolancop 17 June 2020 15: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Quote: Terenin
    Nothing special . A minute and you no longer smell anything

    Yes. But you will come in from fresh air - like a butt on your forehead!

    Feet should be washed and footcloths washed in a timely manner. I agree, not everyone had such opportunities, but I had. And my barracks at the entrance to the forehead somehow did not flaunt smells ...
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 17 June 2020 15: 45 New
    0
    "А еще крАвавый резим сотни миллионов истряблял, рабство и т.п." - надоели уже своей клюквой.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 17 June 2020 16: 16 New
    +5
    А еще нашим бойцам выдавали какие-то кусочки листьев "макгорка", вместо "Лакки страйк", и чтобы их употребить надо было овладеть искусством крутить из кусочка газеты "самокрутка". Что было невероятно трудным, это даже воспето в песнях про очень хороших товарищей, которые могли "ты дал мне закурить".
    Но из песни этот "макгорка" курили в пехоте. Про танкистов, летчиков и моряков ничего не известно - может они курили трубки или сигары.
    Артиллеристы же по команде "дать прикурить" начинали в два раза чаще таскать снаряды и стрелять по немцам. Просили те немцы "прикурить" и были они там вообще курящие - истории не известно. Попавшие под залп гвардейских минометов курить бросали точно раз и навсегда.
  • Duxan
    Duxan 17 June 2020 16: 29 New
    -4
    They don’t know how else to shit in our souls before the Victory Parade .. If they were wound correctly they saved the feet of many of our soldiers .. This is a great invention of that time! Simple, effective, reliable .. Before Berlin, we actually reached Pawn on foot if necessary also we can .. hi
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 17 June 2020 16: 31 New
    +1
    По утверждению Ларсона, советские солдаты "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".

    Of course, their socks have a pleasant aroma. laughing fool
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 17 June 2020 22: 11 New
      0
      For so long they know that their d.r.r.m.o does not smell.
  • Hort
    Hort 17 June 2020 16: 48 New
    +1
    . Сапогу то пофигу всякая подболоченая и грязная местность, а в ботинках даже со сплошным "язычком" можно набрать "полные берцы". Да и носок всяко влагу хуже впитывает, чем "кусок вонючей тряпки"
    "вместо носков использовали отрезки вонючих тряпок".
    he was given a smell of dirty footcloth laughing
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 17 June 2020 20: 56 New
      0
      Quote: hort
      he was given a smell of dirty footcloth

      А в "NI" статья в разделе "Вооружения". laughing
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 17 June 2020 17: 05 New
    -1
    Propaganda as it is. They took a fact and turned it inside out. No shame, no conscience, no brains ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 June 2020 17: 21 New
    0
    This author from NI is just a dumb scribbler.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 June 2020 18: 04 New
    +2
    By the way, footcloths were also used in the army of the GDR of the year until about 68, and in the Finnish army, footcloths were abandoned only in 1990. laughing And experts estimate that 40 pairs of socks are needed to replace one pair of footcloths. Maybe they lied somewhere, but the lifespan of the sock in the boot is very short.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 June 2020 18: 07 New
    +1
    The National Interest: "Soviet soldiers were given pieces of rags instead of socks"


    Ох и дикари эти "западные партнеры"))
    What warriors are they, if they don’t know what footcloths are))

    Although they themselves wore instead of boots.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 June 2020 18: 13 New
    +1
    And what did the armies of other states go during the Second World War (well, or for haters of everything related to the history of Russia - we’ll make a list of the backward). In 1940, more than 60% of British soldiers and officers wore windings. By 1942, almost all of them had received .... no, not boots. Leggings. Such cloth things on shoes.
    Ботинки с обмотками были основной обувью армии Франции до начала 1950-х годов. Правда части укомплектованные кем-то из воюющих сторон (после 1940 годов) получали форму своих "хозяев".Канада повторяла традиции британской армии. И в обмундировании в том числе.Сапоги, во второй мировой войне не были признаком "современности" или "не современности" армии. Из крупных стран - только Германия смогла обеспечить около 60% призванных сапогами. Остальные довольствовались ботинками с гамашами или обмотками. laughing
  • Klingon
    Klingon 17 June 2020 18: 20 New
    -1
    Well, yes, the Soviet / Russian army in this sense remained archaic.
    And now let the patriots explain to me a doctor from a physiological point of view the advantages of footcloths over ergonomic tracking socks
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 17 June 2020 18: 34 New
    -1
    For 4 (four) years I wore boots at a military school at the very
    Soviet time. Learned how to wind the footcloths
    и пользовался портянками, пока не "вырос" из них.
    As soon as the commanders stopped paying attention to footcloths,
    I immediately switched to woolen knitted socks with kapron
    "следками", и сносу им не было.
    Как надоели эти "патриоты" со своими сладкими воспоминаниями
    about this stinky piece of rag!
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 June 2020 22: 23 New
      +1
      If I have to use boots (often rubber), I only wrap them with footcloths.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 17 June 2020 22: 34 New
        +1
        Matter of habit...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 17 June 2020 19: 07 New
    0
    And these wild Russians with pieces of rags captured Berlin three times, but the striped mattresses didn’t work out well))) Looks, socks interfered)))
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 18 June 2020 02: 48 New
    0
    They already do not like our footcloths. What are they getting to the bottom of?
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 June 2020 07: 46 New
    0
    )))) Socks are good .. only in peacetime)) at the time of the fighting they are not good from them))) so)) we will return to it again)))
  • An64
    An64 18 June 2020 09: 10 New
    0
    The American was a little mistaken - not Shoigu, but Serdyukov introduced berets with socks for the soldiers instead of the pickaxes with footcloths.
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas 18 June 2020 11: 02 New
    0
    Funny, my father served in the border troops. In kirzach, a lot of foot-wear took place; already with me, I walked for long in socks. And even when he became a grandfather, he was euphoric from the ability to wear sneakers, and tried a bunch of all kinds of socks for berets, the combination is better than the canvas-tarpaulin to this day. He also says (I just never wore it myself) that the footcloth is good because after the foot sweats the footcloth you just need to wind it on the other side, and the foot is dry and the footcloth also dries.
  • scrap123
    scrap123 18 June 2020 16: 54 New
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    in vain they canceled the footcloths, I know by myself that when in the steppe + 50-70 the sock immediately lifts lip nit and in place with the skin is removed, and so the winter footcloth is clothed and all the moisture in it.
  • megadeth
    megadeth 18 June 2020 18: 39 New
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    Lord !!! ??? the footcloths were canceled, because the berets introduced instead of boots ... But the footcloths are a great thing, you don’t need to understand and explain to foreigners .. And of our who really served, he knows, and the one who perceives the army from the DMB series and from the Soldiers, cannot be explained to that ...
  • bbss
    bbss 19 June 2020 00: 20 New
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    Really ... dumb.
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 19 June 2020 09: 50 New
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    They absorbed moisture, prevented corns and scuffs, and also protected the boots themselves from dirt and stones.

    Here we are talking about footcloths, but how could they protect the boots from dirt and stones while inside the boot ... Maybe they still protected the legs ?!
    The second inaccuracy is that I wore socks in the summer of 2011, so they started switching from footcloths to socks earlier.
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 19 June 2020 22: 42 New
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    В принципе, при пробежке на 6 км совсякими противогазами, автоматами главное вовремя почувствовать, что портянка сбилась. Тормознуться, перемотать и опять ноги себя отлично чувствуют. Кирзачи отлично помогали и дома - копать землю в кроссовках иили жёсткой подошвой кирзачей? При строительстве: гвозди не страшны, в жару плюс тридцать работал - куда лучше, чем родственник в рабочих ботинках... Хотя, две пары ботинок, вроде армейских у меня были любимыми (как профессиональным ходокам рельсовым ультразвуковым дефектоскопистам ежегодно выдавали по паре летней и зимней обуви. Вот тут действительно надо было две пары носков надевать: хб и шерстяные... Хотя, в минус сорок постоишь на голом щебне (снег выдувался поездами) и сейчас память об обморожениях отдаёт. В валенках тяжело идти 16 километров (а были перегоны такой длины с уничтоженными хозяевами ОАО РЖД будками обогрева (неэстетично!). Довольно удачны были "прощай молодость" с высоким голенищем от снега. Тканевый верх отводил пар, резина на подошве не пропускала талую воду...