Defensive Merkava and offensive Abrams: on the advantages of each of the tanks

M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main combat tanks of the world. But the Israeli war machine, however, has its own unique features that distinguish it from the American tank for the better.

The Merkava IV tank (Merkava Mk.4) entered service with the Israel Defense Forces in 2004 and immediately gained fame as an excellent combat vehicle. So, the American agency Forecast International in 2010 even called it the best main battle tank in the world. Let’s try to figure out how the Israeli tank wins against its American “colleague”.

Armament: primary and secondary

Merkava IV and M1 are armed with a 120 mm gun. The MG253 gun was installed on the Merkava, and the M256 on the Abrams. Both guns are modifications of the German Rh-120 gun and are capable of hitting most Soviet-made tanks.

At the same time, Merkava has certain advantages. So, she can shoot anti-tank missiles from the main gun, while the Abrams is deprived of such an opportunity. Israeli-made LAHAT missiles, which the Merkava tank is armed with, can hit not only enemy armored vehicles over long distances, but also helicopters. Both tanks - Israeli and American - are also equipped with sophisticated sensors, fire control systems, capable of transmitting enemy data to other tanks.

In addition to the main guns, both tanks are also armed with machine guns, which are designed to protect the crew during the fighting in urban conditions. Machine guns have a remote control. But the "Merkava", unlike the "Abrams", in addition to the machine gun is armed with a 60 mm light mortar, which makes the tank unique among other fighting vehicles of this class.

Thanks to the mortar, an Israeli tank is capable of hitting targets out of sight, for example behind a wall, when it comes to urban conditions, or on the other side of the hill, if we are talking about military operations in the field. Also, thanks to the mortar and machine gun, the tank crew can hit the enemy without resorting to their main artillery gun.

Armor and crew protection

In the 1980s, the composite armor of the American M1 Abrams tank was a real breakthrough in the field of armored protection technology. The frontal armor of an American tank turned out to be impenetrable for most armor-piercing shells of Soviet tanks, as shown by the Persian Gulf war.

As for the armor of the Merkava, it is somewhat weaker than that of an American tank. However, the Israeli military is more concerned not with armor-piercing shells fired by other tanks, but with anti-tank missiles, which are armed with various radical groups. Indeed, it is with them that they are more likely to confront the Israel Defense Forces. After analyzing the experience of fighting in Lebanon, Israeli designers presented a system of active protection against enemy missiles Trophy, which creates a protected hemisphere over the tank, tracking and destroying enemy anti-tank missiles.

For the first time, the Trophy system was tested in real combat conditions on March 1, 2011. Palestinian militants fired a Merkava tank from the IDF 401th brigade from a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher. Thanks to the active defense system, a shot was recorded, after which neutralization tools were released. The fighting vehicle and its crew were not injured, but a shell was fired at the attackers, as a result one of the Palestinians was injured.

Mobility and comfort

The American tank "Abrams" is designed to conduct a quick war with the enemy over long distances, which was shown by the operation "Desert Storm". Given that the United States conducts offensive operations, this ability is extremely important for an American tank. "Merkava", on the contrary, is more designed for defense, first of all - to counter the invasion of foreign troops and counter-guerrilla events in the city and mountainous terrain. Defensive "Merkava" and offensive "Abrams", if guided by such categories.

It is worth noting that, unlike most western main battle tanks, the ammunition compartment in the Merkava can be converted to transport four infantrymen. This can be very helpful in the field, for example, if it is necessary to evacuate the crew from a damaged tank or transport the wounded.

Israeli designers generally paid great attention to crew comfort. In particular, Merkava has the best air conditioning system, which is so important in the Middle East climate. A special toilet module can even be used in the tank, since Israeli tank brigades are often forced to fight rebels for several days.

Thus, we can conclude that each of the tanks has its own advantages and advantages over each other, which are due to existing differences in the purpose of combat vehicles. “Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.

Comments

[Thunderbolt]

I would like to listen to reviews on the human technique that served both at ADB and at MEP. There is probably such a cunning Jew in the world)))

[NIKN]

Probably there, I’m not going to judge from my (on the tank theme) amateurish point of view ..

[NIKN]

But here the topic is set strictly ... who attacks whom ???

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: NIKNN

But here the topic is set strictly ... who attacks whom ???

Today, Egypt has Abrams, so Israeli tankers learn to fight with the Abrams.

[K-50]

Only the "Abrashi" has no composite armor, but depleted uranium.
Then the crew had oncological problems until the end of their lives.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: K-50

Only the "Abrashi" has no composite armor, but depleted uranium.

Radiation begins to "seep" only during the penetration. I did not notice any such ro-ro-ro on the American military sites. Unih uranium, we have trinitrotoluene over the head of the driver, and of course we can argue forever, but the main highlight on the pie is the battle. it did not happen. Syria fights with paramilitaries, in Russian, partisanshipIn such a war, hypersonic molybdenum-platinum armor will not be able to, since the armored object will be burned, see "side photo"

[NIKN]

Sorry to offend there was no desire .. But are you talking about nitrotoluene?

[NIKN]

Trinitrotoluene (2,4,6-trinitrotoluene, 2,4,6-trinitromethylbenzene, TNT, tol, TNT) is one of the most common blasting explosives. It is a yellowish crystalline substance with a melting point of 80,85 ° C (melts in very hot water). It is used in dynamic protection ??? and even then I’m not sure. So far no one has managed to calm down the blast.

[NIKN]

High-explosive substances are not used in dynamic protection .. maybe I just don’t know everything ... correct me and do not be offended please

[bk0010]

There is no radiation there, when penetrated, uranium dust is obtained, and uranium is harmful, since it is a heavy metal.

[ProkletyiPirat]

1) Is there radiation just not that harmful, and even in small doses, if my memory serves me, then there is enough sheet of paper to isolate, even the upper natural dead skin layer will be a sufficient insulator.
2) And the problem is not in microparticles of uranium dust, but in derivatives of this dust that appear at high pressures and temperatures, for example during a cumulative explosion. Moreover, these derivatives are also weakly radioactive, but when they enter the body, oncologies come .... At the same time, there are many orders of magnitude less such oncologies from the initial uranium dust.
3) Who cares for more details, look for documentaries and articles on the Internet in the English segment, there are more articles, in Russian there are a couple of documentaries with links to English ...

[Jack O'Neill]

The problem is not radiation, but that about. uranium is toxic, and if ingested, it causes severe poisoning, however, like other heavy metals. The same tungsten carbide, try to inhale such dust, hello serious troubles with health.
Mostly ignoramuses, who are not in the subject, write that about vol. uranium make the same crowns for teeth, boxes for transportation glad. materials and that’s all.
From these only under pivas yell, which I actually do.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Not for everyone, only for purely American ones, the usual composite is exported. By the way, uranium armor is the same composite, just between the outer and inner layer is depleted uranium. The danger of such armor is only when penetrated, the rest of the time there is no radiation level.

[K-50]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

uranium armor is the same composite, just between the outer and inner layer is depleted uranium. The danger of such armor is only when penetrated, the rest of the time there is no radiation level.

And the fact that the outer and inner layers are gaining radiation does not count?
Even lead eventually becomes radioactive !!! Although an excellent insulator from her.
As for cancer, this was heard in the press as a pin in the courts to compensate for the loss of health.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Depleted uranium is not strong and fonit. USA is a country of lawyers, don’t feed bread, let it sit. It’s not the armor of the tank that causes the most damage, but the uranium ammunition with which they dirtied Iraq, where they seized radiation. Although ov is not a pity, even if they die out like mammoths from their miracle weapons.

[Technical engineer]

The phonite is not strong. They write that the problems were noted in those who served on it for at least 4 years. However. Even I do not need this.

[Kalmar]

Quote: K-50

Then the crew has oncological problems, until the end of life

Depleted uranium is alpha radioactive and, as a result, is not dangerous in this regard, being rolled into a shell of steel. I read somewhere that it is used even in aprons for radiologists. The main thing is not to use inside)

[kris_67]

"cancer problems, until the end of life" is a complete nonsense, do not tell anyone about it.

[Free wind]

The main thing in the tank is not to watch. And in Merkava a whole toilet was organized. Somehow I can hardly imagine this in the midst of a battle, and the mechanical driver was impatient, and with a cigarette, and with a newspaper to read the news.

[Viktor Sergeev]

What if you have to sit for a long time?

[bk0010]

Do not take Merkava as a tank, this is a mobile pillbox (for tasks). There is also a telephone for communication with the infantry (2 shekels per call), and an armor plate at the back, and a mortar.

[svp67]

“Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.

This is not so ... Both tanks are capable of both attacking and strengthening their defenses ... There are no "offensive" and "defensive" tanks.

[AUL]

The Jews made a tank based on their theater of operations, their tasks, their tactics and battle strategy. And, as a highly specialized machine, the machine solves these problems in the given conditions better than a wide-profile machine. Perhaps, in a different theater of operations and with a different tactics, the machine will not "pull". But, as far as I know, Jews do not offer it for export.

[Revolver]

It seems like the Georgians tried to bargain, but did not agree on a price. And finally, the Georgian mountains are similar in terms of the Golan Heights.

[Viktor Sergeev]

There is. T90 is an offensive tank, therefore it has a decent round-robin reservation, its task is to break through the defense, Abrams is more likely an anti-tank, plays the role of the Panther in the Second World War, Merkava is more like a Tiger: stood up and shoots. Throw Abrams on a strong defense and they will burn him, the same with Merkava, even with Trophy, even without her (a shot simultaneously from two grenade launchers and that's it, there is no Trophy).

[svp67]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Is.

Do not make me laugh...

Quote: Victor Sergeev

T90 offensive tank, so it has a decent round-robin reservation

Do you have the logic that ... what is, in your understanding, "Decent, and even circular", and do not tell me how many millimeters there are in the rear of the tank? Isn't it 50?

[Viktor Sergeev]

T90 in tests the forehead withstood shelling with 125 mm shells at point blank range and grenade launchers in the sides, there was no penetration. Do you need such a reservation? The T90 is probably the strongest.

[svp67]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

T90 in tests the forehead withstood shelling with 125 mm shells at point blank range and grenade launchers in the sides, there was no penetration.

And the lower frontal part has withstood?

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Do you need such a reservation?

And what about the stern then?

[Technical engineer]

Well, offensive any tank except Merkava and .... Abrasha. Remember how they slowed down the column, stopping regularly to knock out dust, sand and debris from their filters)) You can’t go far in a raid on such a tank. Yes, and eats fuel .....

[Technical engineer]

I don’t remember the stern of the T-90, but it seems to me 80mm. But I remember the thickness of the armor of the side of Abrams in the area of ​​dvigla and transmission. 6,5 + 25mm to fit the screen. This is something ... This is how they understand the differentiated booking)))

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

the same with Merkava, even with Trophy, even without it (a shot simultaneously from two grenade launchers and that’s all, there’s no Trophy)

Have you ever shot a tank with at least one shot?
"simultaneously from two grenade launchers and that's it." well yes, like two fingers. At the VO there were already thinkers who offered to issue volleys from three grenade launchers.
I’ll tell you a secret when a tank, even a friendly one that participates in exercises with you, travels not far from you.,
He roars with a motor and the earth trembles and with it your accessories a bit. Moreover, if it happens at night.
And if it will be the enemy’s tank that is eager to send you along the Styx River, both things will be more trembling.
And you're talking about synchronized hits.

[Viktor Sergeev]

The author, before comparing anything, decide on the theater of operations. Merkava is the best tank for Israel and the worst in any other area. Abrams is the best for a war with a very weak enemy, when he is crushed by helicopters, artillery, and armed with ancient weapons and half of the officers are traitors. But both of these coffins are united by one thing: complete inappropriateness in the European theater: high weight, poor off-road patency, the lack of bridges capable of withstanding them and the fact that they consume fuel immeasurably. Abrams is not a breakthrough tank, it doesn’t have enough fuel for it, plus almost no side armor.
Both of these coffins can not be opposed to a strong enemy armed with normal TCP, so they simply turn into an armored cannon on wheels.

[Octopus]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

complete inadequacy in the European theater: high weight, poor off-road patency, lack of bridges capable of withstanding them and the fact that they eat fuel nemeryanno

People who know nothing about the Fulda corridor and the concept of the ground-air operation, under which Abrams was created, will never end on the Internet. These same people continue to believe that the theater that used Abrams (and Merkava) is better equipped in engineering terms than the Central European theater, i.e. Germany.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Better, the soil was solid, there were no bridges, tanks were assembled for half a year, and there was practically no strong enemy defense. Abrams is used as self-propelled guns: he stood up at a great distance and shoots the enemy’s defenses, then he went forward, met the defenses and walked away again in a circle (because of such tactics the Georgians got rid of Tskhinvali). Our situation is different: tanks break through the defenses and surround the enemy, hence the lightness of the tanks.
Bearing in mind the theater of war, I didn’t have Germany, but Russia, eastern Europe. Abrams was made specifically for Western Europe, like a tank self-propelled gun, like the Panther: a strong forehead and lack of sides.

[Octopus]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

solid soils, no bridges,

Wow.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

tanks were collected for half a year,

The first time was taken from Germany.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

there was no strong enemy defense

Well, strong - it is against anyone.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Abrams is used as self-propelled guns: stood at a great distance and shoots the enemy’s defense

I have to admit that you don’t know anything about the 73rd line or Baghdad power, and in general the American tactical developments of the 80s passed by you.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Our situation is different: tanks break through the defenses and surround the enemy, hence the lightness of the tanks.

1. Does the T-72 have lightness?
2. If the enemy is not the Armed Forces, but at least Chechens, then such unfortunate tankers will end immediately.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Abrams was made specifically for Western Europe,

Abrams was made for the theater, which was considered the most important, what a surprise!

Quote: Victor Sergeev

like a tank destroyer, like a Panther: a strong forehead and lack of sides.

In addition to problems with modern tanks, you obviously do not know that the idea of ​​circular protivosnaryadnoy booking rescued itself exactly in the 43rd year, when the American infantry division did not become a full-time anti-aircraft defense unit, but a 37-pound gun. But Abrams yes, just the Panther in comparison with the T-6 and recalls.

[Viktor Sergeev]

You are inattentive. I spoke about the use of Abrams against strong defense. Iraq didn’t have any defense, it was continuous cheese with holes, plus a complete advantage in the air, which is why the Abrams were used to break through.
They don’t have any new developments, there is only one principle (against a strong adversary: ​​Russia, China): the tank is self-propelled guns, otherwise they will be burned by ATGMs, RPGs, plus they will be added by tanks. By the way, it is the difference between our tactics (fast breakthrough, losses at the beginning and the environment) and NATO tactics (slow fire suppression, in order to reduce losses) that were discussed at NATO and came to the conclusion: Russian tactics lead to large losses at the beginning, but at the end of the operation, losses NATO has more.
You can’t even imagine what a tank regiment is and especially the mass of tanks, for example, 200-300, which goes on the attack, after a massive fire attack, you can judge everything from books to the Internet.
Abrams may be a Panther, but the T90 is not the T34 and they are equal in strength, if you go head to head against each other, if the maneuver is normal, then the Abrams will glow more often if equal opponents converge. Say a complete reservation has become obsolete? I wish you to be in a battle on Abrams.

[Octopus]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

was discussed at NATO and came to conclusions: Russian tactics lead to large losses at the beginning, but at the end of the operation, NATO has more losses.

I generally understand your vision of tactics, thank you.

Quote: Victor Sergeev

I wish you to be in a battle on Abrams.

I did not think about serving in the American army, they are unlikely to take me.

[garri-lin]

Like a frenzied tank destroyer. With armor-piercing ammunition. And without OF.

[The leader of the Redskins]

As a driver-mechanic, it would be much more comfortable for me in the "merkava". All the same, dviglo is in front of you, this is additional protection. And the door in the stern is a huge plus. In case of evacuation, you can always leave through it.

[Grazdanin]

Engine to the right of the driver, but generally agree

[113262a]

And faith doesn’t let it go through the drap-hatch?))) I was 52 years old when I scooped it up and scooped up for myself, and pulled out 2 more trays from the conveyor. And he pushed his centner under the bottom, clinging to the bolt heads from the hatches. As for comfort, in Merkava there is an overview of the mechanical drive, as in our BMP. Because of the long muzzle. One good thing is to bury the cannon — you must try!

[merkava-2bet]

And did you go to Merkava or was inside, since you say that your nose is long?

[bk0010]

They have an engine ahead.

[merkava-2bet]

All that you have done, in what time? And most importantly, do you have a time machine to stop the fire or detonation of BC?

[Grading]

This is a special category of scribblers "fabulous patriots-kremlebots" for 30 pieces of silver Lakhtinsky give out this

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Merkava is the best tank for Israel and the worst in any other area. Abrams is the best for a war with a very weak enemy, when he is crushed by helicopters, artillery, and armed with ancient weapons and half of the officers are traitors. But both of these coffins are united by one thing: the complete is unfit

[Viktor Sergeev]

And these are the peculiarities of hacks of liberals who do not understand anything in the army, who did not serve, but who are ready to lick their asses with their foreign idols:
Grading: This is a special category of scribblers "fabulous patriots-kremlebots" for 30 pieces of silver Lakhtinsky give out this "
No logic, no arguments, only anger and hatred of Russia. I am pleased to.

[Alf]

Quote: 113262

One good thing is to bury the cannon — you must try!

Someone tried.

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

Someone tried.

The land of Israel has not become impoverished with talents! This is probably the same craftsman who, according to Zadornov, Hammer turned over.

[merkava-2bet]

As well as mother Russia, the craftsmen did not lose their ability to heat and burn military equipment, as well as all other countries, so my friend could not discover America, alas.

[Alf]

Quote: merkava-2bet

As well as mother Russia, the craftsmen did not lose their ability to heat and burn military equipment, as well as all other countries, so my friend could not discover America, alas.

But am I arguing? Alternatively gifted around the world are found.
As the saying goes, the country needs heroes, and the "star" gives birth to Dubaks.

[AUL]

Quote: 113262

And faith doesn’t let it go through the drap-hatch?))) I was 52 years old when I scooped it up and scooped up for myself, and pulled out 2 more trays from the conveyor. And he pushed his centner under the bottom, clinging to the bolt heads from the hatches.

But it would be more convenient, faster and safer through the carrot's "anus"? No?

[113262a]

Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines so that our life would not seem like honey. And the MSL, the one that was useful to the driver, oh! By the way, the fire didn’t happen - Freon blew everything out, since the top hatches never opened.

[AUL]

Quote: 113262

Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines, so that our life would not seem to be honey ...

Well, of course, there are different cases. Especially in the war!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Nevertheless, the Merkava layout is preferable. Here at T 72 you can even squeeze into the tower from the place of MV, in T 64 - practically not. So helping a friend - or evacuating through the bottom hatch - is impossible.
And in the "chariot" - easily! Yes, even the whole collective farm!

[113262a]

Already wrote - in a second he pulled out 2 trays, a campaign, even with shells from the MZ- (namely on the T-64) and two uncles under a hundred kg bullet flew behind me through the drap-hatch. Moreover, they did not even catch on. True, as it turned out later, AKSU had his HORN broken off alive!

[merkava-2bet]

And moreover, here hatches, open or closed, gunpowder and explosives in shells are purple. And not freon is used in the tank’s software but REFRIGERANT 114B2, Tetrafluorodibromethane.

[113262a]

Freon, now, before, when I served urgently in 83-85, it was Freon. And I suspect that in the captured 64b it’s the same! At least there is an effect, an open flame is being killed, the crew is choking!))) Yes, we are aware of phosgene!

[merkava-2bet]

Freon has never been used in the software of tanks; Freon 114B2 stands from the T-64 tank to the T-90 tank.

Fire extinguishing agents used in tank building
3,5 mixture - 70% bromoethyl С2Н5Вr (liquid) and 30% СО2 - was used on Т-62, Т-55. (HALON-2001)
114В2 - С2F4Br2 tetrafluorodibromoethane (liquid) - Т-72 et al. (HALON-2402)
13В1 - CF3Br trifluorochlorobromomethane (gas) - Т-72Б, Т-80У, Т-90, all foreign tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, except the Chieftain and Leopard-1А5
12B1 - СF2СlBr difluorochlorobromomethane (gas) - "Chieftain" and "Leopard-1A5" (HALON-1211).
1. The Soviet designation of freon is Freon, because of this confusion.
Starting with the Merkava-2 tank, we have a PPO piston system, which is much more effective, especially against burning metal.

[merkava-2bet]

Not a big correction for the Freon family.
Freons, chladones - the technical name of the group of fluorine-containing derivatives of saturated hydrocarbons (mainly methane and ethane) used as refrigerants, propellants, blowing agents, solvents. In addition to fluorine atoms, freons can contain chlorine or bromine atoms [1]. More than 40 different freons are known; most of them are manufactured by industry. The name "Freon" by DuPont (USA) has been used in the literature for many years as a general technical term for refrigerants. In the USSR and the Russian Federation the term "freons" [

[merkava-2bet]

Phosgene says, do you even know what it is Phosgene-Phosgene (carbonic acid dichloride), deadly gas, and even more so inside the tank, what else can you imagine a storyteller.

[113262a]

but when decomposing this freon itself, it’s the same thing! Who served, he will understand!

[merkava-2bet]

You mean chemical reactions.
Freons are relatively chemically inert, therefore they do not burn in air, are not explosive even when in contact with an open flame, but they actively interact with alkali and alkaline earth metals, pure aluminum, magnesium, and magnesium alloys. Formation of mixtures with air or oxygen under pressure and contact with metal heated above 200 ° C is prohibited! When freons are heated above 250 ° C, very toxic products are formed, for example, phosgene COCl2, which was used as a chemical warfare agent during the First World War.
But we haven’t been using it for almost 40 years already, we use powders, foam, CO2, but not freon, although there are portable hand balonchiki with Halon in tanks for extinguishing clothes on humans, but in tanks and armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles only powder.

[113262a]

This is among the civilized and God's chosen! We have the same thing! Although, I’m sure that bringing a tank with an activated powder fire extinguisher into combat condition and picking out all soda and respiratory soda, or whatever else, is fun! And if ground mica or kaolin are also added to the soda ... This is a recipe for industrial quenching powders!

[113262a]

Freon R22
PDK 3000mg / m3 difluorochloromethane, hazard class 4 the lowest - low-hazard substances,
Freon R22

2.1. Basic properties.

Gas. Heavier than air. Insoluble in water. It is transported in a liquefied state under pressure. When released into the atmosphere, it turns into gas. It accumulates in low surface areas, basements of tunnels.

2.2. Explosion and fire hazard.

Incombustible. Tanks may explode when heated.

2.3. Danger to humans.

It is not dangerous in the open air. In high concentrations, inhalation hazard. Vapors cause irritation of the mucous membranes and skin. Contact with the liquid causes frostbite. In contact with fire emits toxic gases.

2.4. Symptoms of the defeat.

Dizziness, choking, shortness of breath after 6-8 hours.

3. INDIVIDUAL REMEDIES

Insulating gas mask. Respirator RPG-67G. Protective suit like TnYaa.

4. ACTION REQUIRED.

4.1. General character.

Remove strangers. Keep upwind. Avoid low places. Isolate the hazardous area and avoid strangers. Enter the accident zone only in a protective suit and insulating gas mask. Do not smoke.

4.2. In case of leakage and spillage.

Wear a protective suit and gas mask. Do not touch spilled material. Eliminate sources of fire. In case of intensive leakage, let the gas out completely. Isolate the area until the gas dissipates.

4.3. In case of fire.

Does not burn.

5. FIRST AID MEASURES.

5.1. First-aid:

Remove to fresh air. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen with alcohol vapor. Hospitalize immediately.

5.2. First medical:
ephedrine 5% - 1,0 s / c;
diphenhydramine 1% - 1,0 v / m;
With a drop in blood pressure - polyglucin iv in a droplet droplet

[bk0010]

I don’t know how from a cumulative projectile, but an engine is not a protection against scrap. And the engine in front is more vulnerable: the armor didn’t break through, but it hit hard, so it stalled. A standing tank is a destroyed tank (for Jews this is not so, but their local features are irrelevant for us). Yes, and hot air from the engine, they say, can interfere with the observation, aiming can (haze occurs). There is no door in the stern; in the stern there is an armor plate.

[merkava-2bet]

My dear, where do you get this heresy from? I give a tip to good sites:btvt.narod.ru and odetievbrony.ruYou will learn a lot of useful things.

[bk0010]

Which of the above do you consider heresy?

[merkava-2bet]

That's all, from beginning to end heresy. Allegedly, they say, perhaps all this is speculation and tales, especially since I as a tanker of the tank Merkava-1alef, 1bet, 2alef, 2bet, 2bet meshupar, 2 Dalet Kasag and Merkava-3 Ramah . Pay attention, I have precisely listed all modifications of the Merkava-2 tank on which I served and fought.

[bk0010]

Cool. But still, let's point by point:
1. The engine from BOPS will not help.
2. A running engine generates hot air that causes haze.
3. In the stern of Merkava there is an armor plate.
Which of these is wrong?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, where did you get that that won’t help? Personally, I do not know such experiments. But the reasoning of S. Ilyushin, when he showed a pencil and explained that even such an obstacle knocks a bullet off the trajectory and reduces armor penetration, are known.
Do you think that just frontal armor is better than frontal armor + motor + partition?

[bk0010]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, where did you get that that won’t help?

Good people said. Yes, it knocks a bullet from the trajectory, I even saw that 7 155-mm watermelon shells were taken from the trajectory, but it’s too late to take it away: the crowbar is already inside, but the engine will not be able to somehow reduce the armor penetration.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Do you think that just frontal armor is better than frontal armor + motor + partition?

Yes, it is better: it can be made thicker, since the engine at the rear allows you to balance the distribution of mass on the tank, plus the crew is better protected from being hit by a projectile "at an angle". That is, if the engine is in front, then the projectile, if it flies at an angle to the tank axis of 15 degrees (say), will hit the crew. For the same to happen with the engine from behind, an angle of approach of the projectile of 30 degrees is required. Another thing is that in Israel it is precisely a serious circular booking that is required, albeit not so strong from the forehead, and not like ours, when the forehead is extremely protected, but the sides and the feed is much weaker (their main enemy is not an enemy tank, but an RPG), so the position of the engine for weight distribution becomes not so important.

[garri-lin]

Equivalent engine how can you specify protection? It was always interesting to me.

[rocket757]

Such complex, sophisticated systems effectively "work", there and for what they were conceived, made.

[Threaded screw]

Israeli portal Military Review, publishes once again, an important opinion that our tank is better than even the owner. Fair.

[merkava-2bet]

Approximately every two to three months, an article pops up about an author about Merkava’s tank, which, at best, was seen in a museum, or even in the picture, and begin to carry bullshit. For those who still believe that Western tanks, including the Israeli ones, that they are heavy sheds, let them look at Armata, officially announced 55 tons, and this is only the beginning, and its dimensions.

[Threaded screw]

let them look at Armata

We would love to see ourselves, and not at the parade, but in battle. Merkava good or bad, but a working chariot of war! And the armata that, even the Ministry of Defense decided to replenish the fleet of modernized T90.

[carstorm 11]

This is how to look, but I’m hitting?) Sliced ​​on YouTube?))) So this is not a fight, but a squeeze from it. As for t 14 and t 90, the contracts for both cars were signed at the same time, just t 14 is still at the VFS tests

[Forest]

"The M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main battle tanks in the world." - and the merit is not tanks, but advertising)

[Threaded screw]

"The M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main battle tanks in the world."

Given the number of countries producing main battle tanks, it’s difficult not to get on this list.

[Grits]

Quote: Threaded screw

Given the number of countries producing main battle tanks, it’s difficult not to get on this list.

I will try offhand:
USA
Russia
China
Germany
France
Italy
Sweden
Israel
Brazil
India
Turkey
DPRK
South Korea
Japan
Pakistan
Ukraine
You can fix it ...

[UA3QHP]

Quote: Forest

Thanks to the active protection system, a shot was recorded, after which neutralization tools were released. The fighting vehicle and its crew were not injured, but a shell was fired at the attackers, as a result one of the Palestinians was injured.

That is, as a result of the battle, there are no casualties.
The real Middle East.

[Threaded screw]

That is, as a result of the battle, there are no casualties. The real Middle East. wink

Better of course that would remain so)

[WapentakeLokki]

... and you look at this episode of the endless war more broadly .. what we have; they fired an RPG on the Chariot (it is possible that the Chinese RPG-7 is the most popular in that region) .. it was knocked down by an active defense element (this is a shekel skoka) + 120 mm high explosives were fired at them (it's not too weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: WapentakeLokki

.. and you look at this episode of the endless war more broadly .. what we have; they fired an RPG on the Chariot (it is possible that the Chinese RPG-7 is the most popular in that region) .. it was knocked down by an active defense element (this is a shekel skoka) + 120 mm high explosives were fired at them (it's not too weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war

Quote: WapentakeLokki

.. and you look at this episode of the endless war more broadly .. what we have; they fired an RPG on the Chariot (it is possible that the Chinese RPG-7 is the most popular in that region) .. it was knocked down by an active defense element (this is a shekel skoka) + 120 mm high explosives were fired at them (it's not too weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war

the next time you patrol Merkava, turn off Trophy, save money for the country.
and generally, low-tech warfare is also costly.

[WapentakeLokki]

... do you have an idea about the features of using armor in the city ??? .. why are infantry infantry regiment attached ???

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: WapentakeLokki

do you have an idea about the features of using armor in the city ??? .. why is infantry infantry obsolete attached ??? .. or is it not so in Israel and the tank goes on its own and the infantry in the shade .. to sit ..

I have not a lot.
I had to serve in the reconnaissance company of the tank brigade. Israeli tank forces performed better than some others in urban battles.

[WapentakeLokki]

..you of course about Grozny .. well, without comment .. (.. I can recall your ghettos in WW II where death and Sebibor were stupidly waiting - there without Russian prisoners of war it was completely depressing ..) so we had complete .. .. well, so all of Zionism was not behind us .. all with our own hands .. we learned .. and with regards to the experience of your tankmen in urban battles, it’s strange to hear that your experienced infantry didn’t allow for firing ATGMs but RPGs ... as they say .. clever enough

[Kars]

It’s difficult to somehow determine an offensive tank or a reserve tank. GTS at Abrams eats more than the passport, just a storm in the desert and showed.

[zenion]

Does Merkava have four reverse gears and one forward?

[Revolver]

Quote: zenion

Does Merkava have four reverse gears and one forward?

This is Leclerc's

[Operator]

That's why it was necessary to compare the front-wheel self-propelled guns with the main battle tank?

[merkava-2bet]

And here’s the main specialist in the Merkava tank, he got a good namesake day.

[prodi]

don't be upset, minusers probably didn’t notice such an important parameter for MBT as just 10 first-round shots in a tower niche

[mvg]

I understand that when reading some material, you should receive some kind of new information for yourself. Otherwise, this is an empty pastime.
The thought gnaws at me that only the author discovers something new for himself. Raise your hands, who, having read 100500+ articles from Polonsky, discovered something for himself ???
The level of articles https://murzilka.org/glossary/detskiy_sayt/ is not higher.
1. Actually, tanks can only be found on a BV theater, and we are considering it.
2. Who has abrashi which versions have? They are tortured.
3. The author, well, is it really difficult to find the armor structure of Merkava and Abrams? Their armor resistance? Ammunition for guns, their capabilities.
PV: It is fruitful, like a rabbit, to advise the author to Valery Vasilievich, let him give his pedigree male a couple of lessons from the master class. But change the resource to Murzilka, and so in stages, after many years, you can reach the level of VO 2012.

[igor67]

Quote: mvg

2. Who has abrashes, what versions do they have? We torture them

in Egypt there are Abrams

[mvg]

In Egypt, the KSA has a factory, Kuwait, the Emirates have trophies. Eat a lot. No one has about uranium, a replacement for composite. The level of frontal protection is slightly reduced, from 1100 to 900-1000. Approximately, like Merkava, about 900 mm against BOPS. But Merkava is more interesting than BOPS; hardly even the Saud have 829A4. And at Merkava's panel, when penetrated, it can be replaced almost in the field. There were photos from the flipped panel in a day like new. We must ask the locals, they love it. KSA has the most modern M1A2S, this is SEP2.
Well, let the specialist compare what is on BV, which countries have and how many, deployment, logistics, the possibility of conflict. And for dessert TTX, only in conjunction with sneads. Well, Jewish Tamudas do not forget.

[parusnik]

Ilya, do not be offended. I read the headline, I guessed who the author was. Yesterday you wrote about airplanes, today about tanks ... But you have your own niche, why did you stop writing on the topics that you wrote before - Latin America ..?

[Freedim]

There is a movie "Lebanon" shot by a former Israeli tanker about Israeli tankers .. The film actually proves that whatever the tank is, it all depends on the crew. If you put a person far from war inside, everything will be very bad. The film was filmed exclusively inside the model of the "prepared" first Merkava .. nothing is visible, but there is a little atmosphere.

[merkava-2bet]

In the film itself, the Centurion tank, or according to our Shot Kal without DZ, at the expense of the layout, the Centurion tank too, look again.

[smaug78]

Polonsky is delirious again, I read his articles like humoresques from the Murzilka magazine. There is zero information, but the author is ridiculous in his stupidity ...

[Free wind]

In Merkava, fuel tanks are located from the front, I read something like that. And it is believed that this is a good addition to protection. there are stories of tankers from Germany about the Leopards. In principle, the engine and gearbox are the same as Merkava. Weight is about the same. The armament is similar, Ours also rode. It seems like it. I met a video where carrots and jumped from springboards. Well, do not fall apart after jumping.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Free Wind

In principle, the engine and gearbox are the same as Merkava. Weight is about the same

The Germans have their own engine, the Israelis have an American.
The weight of the Merkava and the Leopard is about the same, but the Leopard is almost a meter longer, which means that its armor is more "smeared" compared to the Merkava.

[donpablo]

in a desert storm, up to 80% of Iraqi tanks destroyed by US aviation

[Pissarro]

Abrams is not a tank, but an SPG, in fact, since it is not a breakthrough weapon, but a shooting from a safe distance. Dimensions, weight, speed, everything just screams about it. And against the backdrop of Merkava, this is grandfather. Merkava is a highly specialized machine, sharpened for a specific type of war and a specific theater. Again, this is not a breakthrough weapon, but a weapon of a protracted war with the Papuans, which showed itself normally.

[Alsur]

Quote: svp67

“Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.

This is not so ... Both tanks are capable of both attacking and strengthening their defenses ... There are no "offensive" and "defensive" tanks.

Quite right, all the more Abrams was created as a tank, which should stop the armada of Soviet tanks, i.e. perform defensive functions, and in the article he became offensive.

[Petrik66]

If in an open field, T 34 - 85 will meet with "Panther", "Tiger", and on command - To the barrier! start converging from a distance of 2000 meters, then the outcome will be like Pushkin and Dantes. So what does this have to do with a real war? "Merkava" was created against specific opponents and for a specific theater of operations, "Abrams", if not strange as well. Only in the USSR, under Ustinov, three tanks were fired at once, so that no one would be offended, but in the USSR both the T64, T80, and T72 were created for specific tasks and for a specific theater of operations. Israel and the United States have excellent technology, good goldsmiths and experience. The RF also has good technique, good golds. That is why all three participants in the competition, being in Syria, are extremely polite to shit at each other without engaging in an open battle. And the Israeli comrade says that he himself knows or someone told him.

[merkava-2bet]

If you are about me, then without any prompts or propaganda, from personal combat experience, from 2001 to today, almost all operations and wars have taken part during this time.

[Petrik66]

Respect to you and respect. it’s always nice when people who are directly related to the topic touched on, rather than having invaluable experience in computer battles, comment.

[Evil Booth]

Well, and in what year at least some kind of merkava had a shell capable of smashing the forehead of at least the tank before it? can Merkava 3 break through the non-export T62 with a splash? Well, let's say Brezhnev's eyebrow. IMHO there is nothing and proofs naydutsa

[merkava-2bet]

You are like a small child, and the questions are dumber than the previous ones. All NATO and Israel tanks are unified by 105/120 mm guns, that is, we can use the latest BOPs of any country, even such powerful ones as M829A3 shells and so on, which have armor penetration under 800 mm at 2000 meters. Any tank in the world after hitting one projectile or another, if it can withstand it will still receive damage, albeit not fatal, and not like in films, therefore there is a whole range of combat survivability. And the tank of the previous generation a priori loses to the tank next generation. There are good sites on the tank theme, read, very much broaden the horizons of tanks.
Here are my favorites:btvt.narod.ru odetievbrony.ru otvaga2004.ru

[Evil Booth]

ahahahaha infinite. but sobsno Israeli drive) in addition, I already see the Germans scorching m829a3e4 and ayurjams dm 999)) it’s unreliable)) unified flies .. well, like shit with a T72 shot from a T90 and with a longer throwing charge .. and so that the mount does not break. from t72 to 12km; from t90 to 10. the only thing that really went is the Germans universal shells and by the way opamy went to the usa from israel? bgggg. what gun is on carrots or do you give out a caliber for a gun, yeah, it’s the most. But lope pressure extra-German in American in Israeli? and it is different bggg and this is very google))

[yehat2]

Merkava is a tank imprisoned under the rather narrow conditions of its theater.
he does not need to cross rivers or make large marches
This is a tank fighting for items in the desert or in urban areas.
therefore, a huge amount of protection and auxiliary systems can be hung on it.
Abrams is more universal, but at the same time very vulnerable to side attacks - this is a tank only of frontal combat, and with air superiority.
Both are imprisoned for narrow military tasks, both have enormous weight.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yehat2

side attack - this is a tank only frontal battle,

You have tanks for side combat.

[yehat2]

Compare the side protection of the Is-2 and Abrams
Is-2 was created for side combat?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yehat2

Compare the side protection of the Is-2 and Abrams
Is-2 was created for side combat?

I wanted to tell you that I don’t understand what side combat is, in contrast to frontal combat, and how side reservation is associated with it.

[yehat2]

you yourself came up with a side battle, so answer. Why do I need this question?

[Evil Booth]

giggle frantically from the title excuse me

[merkava-2bet]

Quote: 113262

Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines so that our life would not seem like honey. And the MSL, the one that was useful to the driver, oh! By the way, the fire didn’t happen - Freon blew everything out, since the top hatches never opened.

I understand that MSL is a small sapper shovel, and what did you dig? You say that the T-64 tank, for example the T-64B or T-64BV, means in the territory of either Ukraine or the DPR / LPR, and it hit you with a blank or a cop MT -12 Rapier, and even on board, in the area of ​​the MZ conveyor with rack tanks with shells and charges of 125 mm caliber,

, and you managed to shift your seat along the way, open the hero hatch, pull out two shells (which is not enough for a 100 kg load box, you need to pull out at least three shells), for which you need a special key. And most importantly, dig something under the tank under the cannonade of 120 mm mortars, and not forgetting that the tank is in the field, which means when the clearance is 450 mm on the concrete, then the field is 250 mm at best, and you three dudes under 100 kg each, and even in overalls, did this trick and survived, but you are God's anointed and lucky guys.
But seriously, how lucky you are if it's true.
Looking at the photos and diagrams of the T-64, it is very difficult to believe.

Since the result is deplorable.

[Cer59]

It all depends on the crew. Merkava, when modeling battles with our last T-90s, lost to zero. here again its positive sides were affected by the extra armor and toilets. Russians who have moved to Israel and employees in the tank units unequivocally declare that even with the last t-72 series, it will be difficult for the Merkava to fight on an equal footing if it has a Russian crew.
about ambrams I will say so American PR. the loss of the Soviet t-55 is commensurate with the loss of abrams. and about the t-72 and t-80 m t-90 can not be compared. in fact, it’s no secret that part of our military men thrown out of the army in the 90s became subjects of other countries. and on Soviet technology. and so their opinion is that, without complete superiority in the air and in the ground forces, the ambram is designed to be destroyed in battle in 5-10 minutes. which is actually proven in Yemen and Syria. Well, our t-xxx from t-34 to t-90 crawl and shoot.

[avib]

Russians moving to Israel and serving in tank units

These tankers know the name -T72 - and no more. And all because, at best, they came to Israel as children and drafted into tank troops. So there is no one to compare between Merkava and T72. You have to, without getting up from the couch, fiercely compare tanks on the performance characteristics.
About Russian tank crews there are a lot of movies on YouTube. The Russian crew is not a panacea. After all, even Emelianenko will merge the bespectacled man with a gun.

[Cer59]

You are mistaken from the opposition of the T-72 in 1975. when our crew of Jewish guys got along with the merkava. at the landfill dust to the sky. total superiority of the t-72. now the retired t-72 commander has left the colonel. and he knows in advance what is what. behind a glass of self-tapping screw, he told which tankmen were Arabs. but also talked about hassles with our instructor crews. if there were support helicopters in the air, then they pushed our ours away, but if there weren’t six lost mercenaries, they forced to abandon these attempts.
in the prince won the one who first discovered. they didn’t even beat us in the forehead, they managed to open the side armor. and one slammed in the ass.
speed advantage is an important advantage.
all the bells and whistles of the type of anti-missile and in this spirit helps up to 130mm. from our captured 152 mm guns, they were pierced from 1000 m to the take-off tower. in the forehead, partially went into the sky with the disabling of the crew. either hi in the fighting compartment. Well, there were ideal conditions.
the baby and pturs of the first generation of different countries also disable the tank. who is aiming and what is the distance. they don’t have laser guidance and the electronics do not see them. especially when aiming a little on the side. In any case, there is no protection from the wired ptrs in this case.

[merkava-2bet]

He wrote nonsense, not interconnected, a set of amateur words. Question about backfill, when did the T-72 tank begin to be exported and to whom? And who is this regiment, and where did he instruct them? I myself was born and raised in Turkmenistan, and about the largest tank range in the USSR I know by hearsay, there were also trained Arab crews of all stripes, the terrain was suitable, Tedzhen, Sakar-Chaga, Kushka, Yolotani district.

[avib]

You are mistaken from the opposition of the T-72 in 1975. when our crew of Jewish guys got along with the merkava.

Is it nothing that merkava entered service in 1979?