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Defensive Merkava and offensive Abrams: on the advantages of each of the tanks

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M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main combat tanks of the world. But the Israeli war machine, however, has its own unique features that distinguish it from the American tank for the better.


The Merkava IV tank (Merkava Mk.4) entered service with the Israel Defense Forces in 2004 and immediately gained fame as an excellent combat vehicle. So, the American agency Forecast International in 2010 even called it the best main battle tank in the world. Let’s try to figure out how the Israeli tank wins against its American “colleague”.

Armament: primary and secondary


Merkava IV and M1 are armed with a 120 mm gun. The MG253 gun was installed on the Merkava, and the M256 on the Abrams. Both guns are modifications of the German Rh-120 gun and are capable of hitting most Soviet-made tanks.

At the same time, Merkava has certain advantages. So, she can shoot anti-tank missiles from the main gun, while the Abrams is deprived of such an opportunity. Israeli-made LAHAT missiles, which the Merkava tank is armed with, can hit not only enemy armored vehicles over long distances, but also helicopters. Both tanks - Israeli and American - are also equipped with sophisticated sensors, fire control systems, capable of transmitting enemy data to other tanks.

In addition to the main guns, both tanks are also armed with machine guns, which are designed to protect the crew during the fighting in urban conditions. Machine guns have a remote control. But the "Merkava", unlike the "Abrams", in addition to the machine gun is armed with a 60 mm light mortar, which makes the tank unique among other fighting vehicles of this class.

Thanks to the mortar, an Israeli tank is capable of hitting targets out of sight, for example behind a wall, when it comes to urban conditions, or on the other side of the hill, if we are talking about military operations in the field. Also, thanks to the mortar and machine gun, the tank crew can hit the enemy without resorting to their main artillery gun.


Armor and crew protection


In the 1980s, the composite armor of the American M1 Abrams tank was a real breakthrough in the field of armored protection technology. The frontal armor of an American tank turned out to be impenetrable for most armor-piercing shells of Soviet tanks, as shown by the Persian Gulf war.

As for the armor of the Merkava, it is somewhat weaker than that of an American tank. However, the Israeli military is more concerned not with armor-piercing shells fired by other tanks, but with anti-tank missiles, which are armed with various radical groups. Indeed, it is with them that they are more likely to confront the Israel Defense Forces. After analyzing the experience of fighting in Lebanon, Israeli designers presented a system of active protection against enemy missiles Trophy, which creates a protected hemisphere over the tank, tracking and destroying enemy anti-tank missiles.


For the first time, the Trophy system was tested in real combat conditions on March 1, 2011. Palestinian militants fired a Merkava tank from the IDF 401th brigade from a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher. Thanks to the active defense system, a shot was recorded, after which neutralization tools were released. The fighting vehicle and its crew were not injured, but a shell was fired at the attackers, as a result one of the Palestinians was injured.

Mobility and comfort


The American tank "Abrams" is designed to conduct a quick war with the enemy over long distances, which was shown by the operation "Desert Storm". Given that the United States conducts offensive operations, this ability is extremely important for an American tank. "Merkava", on the contrary, is more designed for defense, first of all - to counter the invasion of foreign troops and counter-guerrilla events in the city and mountainous terrain. Defensive "Merkava" and offensive "Abrams", if guided by such categories.

It is worth noting that, unlike most western main battle tanks, the ammunition compartment in the Merkava can be converted to transport four infantrymen. This can be very helpful in the field, for example, if it is necessary to evacuate the crew from a damaged tank or transport the wounded.

Israeli designers generally paid great attention to crew comfort. In particular, Merkava has the best air conditioning system, which is so important in the Middle East climate. A special toilet module can even be used in the tank, since Israeli tank brigades are often forced to fight rebels for several days.

Thus, we can conclude that each of the tanks has its own advantages and advantages over each other, which are due to existing differences in the purpose of combat vehicles. “Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.
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  1. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 June 2020 10: 45 New
    +7
    I would like to listen to reviews on the human technique that served both at ADB and at MEP. There is probably such a cunning Jew in the world)))
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 17 June 2020 12: 02 New
      +1
      Probably there, I’m not going to judge from my (on the tank theme) amateurish point of view ..
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 12: 03 New
        -1
        But here the topic is set strictly ... who attacks whom ???
        1. andreykolesov123
          andreykolesov123 18 June 2020 11: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          But here the topic is set strictly ... who attacks whom ???

          Today, Egypt has Abrams, so Israeli tankers learn to fight with the Abrams.
  2. K-50
    K-50 17 June 2020 10: 46 New
    -8
    Only Abrasha’s composite armor is not made of depleted uranium.
    Then the crew had oncological problems until the end of their lives. yes
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 June 2020 11: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: K-50
      Only Abrasha’s composite armor is not made of depleted uranium.

      Radiation starts to “leak out” only during penetration. I did not notice any such ro-ro-ro sites on Amer’s military. It’s uranium, we have trinitrotoluene over the head of the driver’s arm, and of course we can argue forever, but the main highlight of the pie is the fight. it didn’t happen. Syria fights with paramilitaries, partisanship in Russian. Such a war and hypersonic molybdenum-platinum armor will not be able, since the armored object will be burned, see "photo from the side"
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 12: 07 New
        +2
        Sorry to offend there was no desire .. But are you talking about nitrotoluene?
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 12: 10 New
        +1
        Trinitrotoluene (2,4,6-trinitrotoluene, 2,4,6-trinitromethylbenzene, TNT, tol, TNT) is one of the most common blasting explosives. It is a yellowish crystalline substance with a melting point of 80,85 ° C (melts in very hot water). It is used in dynamic protection ??? and even then I’m not sure. So far no one has managed to calm down the blast.
      3. NIKN
        NIKN 17 June 2020 12: 15 New
        +1
        High-explosive substances are not used in dynamic protection .. maybe I just don’t know everything ... correct me and do not be offended please
      4. bk0010
        bk0010 17 June 2020 14: 49 New
        +6
        There is no radiation there, when penetrated, uranium dust is obtained, and uranium is harmful, since it is a heavy metal.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 17 June 2020 15: 46 New
          +5
          1) Is there radiation just not that harmful, and even in small doses, if my memory serves me, then there is enough sheet of paper to isolate, even the upper natural dead skin layer will be a sufficient insulator.
          2) And the problem is not in microparticles of uranium dust, but in derivatives of this dust that appear at high pressures and temperatures, for example during a cumulative explosion. Moreover, these derivatives are also weakly radioactive, but when they enter the body, oncologies come .... At the same time, there are many orders of magnitude less such oncologies from the initial uranium dust.
          3) Who cares for more details, look for documentaries and articles on the Internet in the English segment, there are more articles, in Russian there are a couple of documentaries with links to English ...
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 17 June 2020 21: 23 New
            +6
            The problem is not radiation, but that about. uranium is toxic, and if ingested, it causes severe poisoning, however, like other heavy metals. The same tungsten carbide, try to inhale such dust, hello serious troubles with health.
            Mostly ignoramuses, who are not in the subject, write that about vol. uranium make the same crowns for teeth, boxes for transportation glad. materials and that’s all.
            From these only under pivas yell, which I actually do.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 11: 15 New
      +1
      Not for everyone, only for purely American ones, the usual composite is exported. By the way, uranium armor is the same composite, just between the outer and inner layer is depleted uranium. The danger of such armor is only when penetrated, the rest of the time there is no radiation level.
      1. K-50
        K-50 17 June 2020 11: 41 New
        -11
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        uranium armor is the same composite, just between the outer and inner layer is depleted uranium. The danger of such armor is only when penetrated, the rest of the time there is no radiation level.

        And the fact that the outer and inner layers are gaining radiation does not count? belay
        Even lead eventually becomes radioactive !!! Although an excellent insulator from her.
        As for cancer, this was heard in the press as a pin in the courts to compensate for the loss of health.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 20: 18 New
          -3
          Depleted uranium is not strong and fonit. USA is a country of lawyers, don’t feed bread, let it sit. It’s not the armor of the tank that causes the most damage, but the uranium ammunition with which they dirtied Iraq, where they seized radiation. Although ov is not a pity, even if they die out like mammoths from their miracle weapons.
          1. Technical engineer
            Technical engineer 18 June 2020 17: 42 New
            -1
            The phonite is not strong. They write that the problems were noted in those who served on it for at least 4 years. However. Even I do not need this.
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 17 June 2020 11: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      Then the crew has oncological problems, until the end of life

      Depleted uranium is alpha radioactive and, as a result, is not dangerous in this regard, being rolled into a shell of steel. I read somewhere that it is used even in aprons for radiologists. The main thing is not to use inside)
    4. kris_67
      kris_67 17 June 2020 13: 53 New
      +4
      "oncological problems, until the end of life" - complete stupidity, do not tell anyone about it.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 17 June 2020 10: 53 New
    0
    The main thing in the tank is not to watch. And in Merkava a whole toilet was organized. Somehow I can hardly imagine this in the midst of a battle, and the mechanical driver was impatient, and with a cigarette, and with a newspaper to read the news.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 11: 16 New
      0
      What if you have to sit for a long time?
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 17 June 2020 14: 53 New
      -1
      Do not take Merkava as a tank, this is a mobile pillbox (for tasks). There is also a telephone for communication with the infantry (2 shekels per call), and an armor plate at the back, and a mortar.
  4. svp67
    svp67 17 June 2020 11: 05 New
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    “Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.
    This is not so ... Both tanks are capable of both advancing and reinforcing defense ... There are no "offensive" and "defensive" tanks.
    1. AUL
      AUL 17 June 2020 15: 32 New
      16
      The Jews made the tank based on their terms of the theater of war, their tasks, their tactics and battle strategy. And, as a highly specialized, the machine solves these problems in the given conditions better than a wide-profile machine. Perhaps, on a different theater and with different tactics, the machine "will not pull". But, as far as I know, Jews do not offer it for export.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 19 June 2020 08: 31 New
        0
        It seems like the Georgians tried to bargain, but did not agree on a price. And finally, the Georgian mountains are similar in terms of the Golan Heights.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 20: 21 New
      -7
      There is. T90 is an offensive tank, therefore it has a decent round-robin reservation, its task is to break through the defense, Abrams is more likely an anti-tank, plays the role of the Panther in the Second World War, Merkava is more like a Tiger: stood up and shoots. Throw Abrams on a strong defense and they will burn him, the same with Merkava, even with Trophy, even without her (a shot simultaneously from two grenade launchers and that's it, there is no Trophy).
      1. svp67
        svp67 17 June 2020 20: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Is.

        Do not make me laugh...
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        T90 offensive tank, so it has a decent round-robin reservation

        Do you have logic, what ... what is, in your understanding, "DECENT, and even CIRCULAR," and do not tell me how many millimeters there is to the stern of the tank? Is it not 50?
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 18 June 2020 14: 35 New
          -5
          T90 in tests the forehead withstood shelling with 125 mm shells at point blank range and grenade launchers in the sides, there was no penetration. Do you need such a reservation? The T90 is probably the strongest.
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 June 2020 20: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            T90 in tests the forehead withstood shelling with 125 mm shells at point blank range and grenade launchers in the sides, there was no penetration.

            And the lower frontal part has withstood?
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            Do you need such a reservation?

            And what about the stern then?
        2. Technical engineer
          Technical engineer 18 June 2020 17: 44 New
          -1
          Well, offensive any tank except Merkava and .... Abrasha. Remember how they slowed down the column, stopping regularly to knock out dust, sand and debris from their filters)) You can’t go far in a raid on such a tank. Yes, and eats fuel .....
        3. Technical engineer
          Technical engineer 18 June 2020 17: 50 New
          +1
          I don’t remember the stern of the T-90, but it seems to me 80mm. But I remember the thickness of the armor of the side of Abrams in the area of ​​dvigla and transmission. 6,5 + 25mm to fit the screen. This is something ... This is how they understand the differentiated booking)))
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 19 June 2020 08: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        the same with Merkava, even with Trophy, even without it (a shot simultaneously from two grenade launchers and that’s all, there’s no Trophy)

        Have you ever shot a tank with at least one shot?
        "simultaneously from two grenade launchers and all." Well, yes, like two fingers. At VO there were already thinkers who offered volleys of three grenade launchers to issue.
        I’ll tell you a secret when a tank, even a friendly one that participates in exercises with you, travels not far from you.,
        He roars with a motor and the earth trembles and with it your accessories a bit. Moreover, if it happens at night.
        And if it will be the enemy’s tank that is eager to send you along the Styx River, both things will be more trembling.
        And you're talking about synchronized hits.
  5. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 11: 13 New
    +3
    The author, before comparing anything, decide on the theater of operations. Merkava is the best tank for Israel and the worst in any other area. Abrams is the best for a war with a very weak enemy, when he is crushed by helicopters, artillery, and armed with ancient weapons and half of the officers are traitors. But both of these coffins are united by one thing: complete inappropriateness in the European theater: high weight, poor off-road patency, the lack of bridges capable of withstanding them and the fact that they consume fuel immeasurably. Abrams is not a breakthrough tank, it doesn’t have enough fuel for it, plus almost no side armor.
    Both of these coffins can not be opposed to a strong enemy armed with normal TCP, so they simply turn into an armored cannon on wheels.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 17 June 2020 19: 55 New
      +9
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      complete inadequacy in the European theater: high weight, poor off-road patency, lack of bridges capable of withstanding them and the fact that they eat fuel nemeryanno

      People who know nothing about the Fulda corridor and the concept of the ground-air operation, under which Abrams was created, will never end on the Internet. These same people continue to believe that the theater that used Abrams (and Merkava) is better equipped in engineering terms than the Central European theater, i.e. Germany.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 20: 26 New
        -2
        Better, the soil was solid, there were no bridges, tanks were assembled for half a year, and there was practically no strong enemy defense. Abrams is used as self-propelled guns: he stood up at a great distance and shoots the enemy’s defenses, then he went forward, met the defenses and walked away again in a circle (because of such tactics the Georgians got rid of Tskhinvali). Our situation is different: tanks break through the defenses and surround the enemy, hence the lightness of the tanks.
        Bearing in mind the theater of war, I didn’t have Germany, but Russia, eastern Europe. Abrams was made specifically for Western Europe, like a tank self-propelled gun, like the Panther: a strong forehead and lack of sides.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 18 June 2020 01: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          solid soils, no bridges,

          Wow.
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          tanks were collected for half a year,

          The first time was taken from Germany.
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          there was no strong enemy defense

          Well, strong - it is against anyone.
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Abrams is used as self-propelled guns: stood at a great distance and shoots the enemy’s defense

          I have to admit that you don’t know anything about the 73rd line or Baghdad power, and in general the American tactical developments of the 80s passed by you.
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Our situation is different: tanks break through the defenses and surround the enemy, hence the lightness of the tanks.

          1. Does the T-72 have lightness?
          2. If the enemy is not the Armed Forces, but at least Chechens, then such unfortunate tankers will end immediately.
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Abrams was made specifically for Western Europe,

          Abrams was made for the theater, which was considered the most important, what a surprise!
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          like a tank destroyer, like a Panther: a strong forehead and lack of sides.

          In addition to problems with modern tanks, you obviously do not know that the idea of ​​circular protivosnaryadnoy booking rescued itself exactly in the 43rd year, when the American infantry division did not become a full-time anti-aircraft defense unit, but a 37-pound gun. But Abrams yes, just the Panther in comparison with the T-6 and recalls.
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 18 June 2020 14: 06 New
            0
            You are inattentive. I spoke about the use of Abrams against strong defense. Iraq didn’t have any defense, it was continuous cheese with holes, plus a complete advantage in the air, which is why the Abrams were used to break through.
            They don’t have any new developments, there is only one principle (against a strong adversary: ​​Russia, China): the tank is self-propelled guns, otherwise they will be burned by ATGMs, RPGs, plus they will be added by tanks. By the way, it is the difference between our tactics (fast breakthrough, losses at the beginning and the environment) and NATO tactics (slow fire suppression, in order to reduce losses) that were discussed at NATO and came to the conclusion: Russian tactics lead to large losses at the beginning, but at the end of the operation, losses NATO has more.
            You can’t even imagine what a tank regiment is and especially the mass of tanks, for example, 200-300, which goes on the attack, after a massive fire attack, you can judge everything from books to the Internet.
            Abrams may be a Panther, but the T90 is not the T34 and they are equal in strength, if you go head to head against each other, if the maneuver is normal, then the Abrams will glow more often if equal opponents converge. Say a complete reservation has become obsolete? I wish you to be in a battle on Abrams.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 18 June 2020 14: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              was discussed at NATO and came to conclusions: Russian tactics lead to large losses at the beginning, but at the end of the operation, NATO has more losses.

              I generally understand your vision of tactics, thank you.
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              I wish you to be in a battle on Abrams.

              I did not think about serving in the American army, they are unlikely to take me.
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 18 June 2020 20: 37 New
          0
          Like a frenzied tank destroyer. With armor-piercing ammunition. And without OF.
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  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 June 2020 11: 18 New
    19
    As a driver, I would have been much more comfortable in the Merkava. All the same, it moved you, this is an additional protection. And the door in the stern - plus a huge one. In the event of evacuation, you can always leave through it.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 17 June 2020 11: 29 New
      +2
      Engine to the right of the driver, but generally agree
    2. 113262a
      113262a 17 June 2020 11: 41 New
      +1
      And faith doesn’t let it go through the drap-hatch?))) I was 52 years old when I scooped it up and scooped up for myself, and pulled out 2 more trays from the conveyor. And he pushed his centner under the bottom, clinging to the bolt heads from the hatches. As for comfort, in Merkava there is an overview of the mechanical drive, as in our BMP. Because of the long muzzle. One good thing is to bury the cannon — you must try!
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 12: 15 New
        +6
        And did you go to Merkava or was inside, since you say that your nose is long?
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 17 June 2020 14: 54 New
          +1
          They have an engine ahead.
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 13: 14 New
        +3
        All that you have done, in what time? And most importantly, do you have a time machine to stop the fire or detonation of BC?
        1. Grading
          Grading 17 June 2020 18: 15 New
          -3
          This is a special category of scribblers "fabulous Kremlin patriots" for 30 pieces of Lakhtinsky they give out this
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Merkava is the best tank for Israel and the worst in any other area. Abrams is the best for a war with a very weak enemy, when he is crushed by helicopters, artillery, and armed with ancient weapons and half of the officers are traitors. But both of these coffins are united by one thing: the complete is unfit
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 20: 29 New
            -5
            And these are the peculiarities of hacks of liberals who do not understand anything in the army, who did not serve, but who are ready to lick their asses with their foreign idols:
            Grading: This is a special category of scribblers "fabulous Kremlin patriots" for 30 pieces of Lakhtinsky they give out this "
            No logic, no arguments, only anger and hatred of Russia. I am pleased to.
      3. Alf
        Alf 17 June 2020 19: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: 113262
        One good thing is to bury the cannon — you must try!

        Someone tried.
        1. Alf
          Alf 17 June 2020 21: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Alf
          Someone tried.

          The land of Israel has not become impoverished with talents! This is probably the same craftsman who, according to Zadornov, Hammer turned over.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 22: 23 New
            +7
            As well as mother Russia, the craftsmen did not lose their ability to heat and burn military equipment, as well as all other countries, so my friend could not discover America, alas.
            1. Alf
              Alf 17 June 2020 22: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: merkava-2bet
              As well as mother Russia, the craftsmen did not lose their ability to heat and burn military equipment, as well as all other countries, so my friend could not discover America, alas.

              But am I arguing? Alternatively gifted around the world are found.
              As they say, the country needs heroes, and the "star" gives birth to oak trees.
      4. AUL
        AUL 17 June 2020 20: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: 113262
        And faith doesn’t let it go through the drap-hatch?))) I was 52 years old when I scooped it up and scooped up for myself, and pulled out 2 more trays from the conveyor. And he pushed his centner under the bottom, clinging to the bolt heads from the hatches.

        But after all, through the "anus" would a carrot be more convenient, faster, and safer? No?
        1. 113262a
          113262a 18 June 2020 10: 17 New
          +1
          Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines so that our life would not seem like honey. And the MSL, the one that was useful to the driver, oh! By the way, the fire didn’t happen - Freon blew everything out, since the top hatches never opened.
          1. AUL
            AUL 18 June 2020 14: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: 113262
            Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines, so that our life would not seem to be honey ...
            Well, of course, there are different cases. Especially in the war! hi
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 June 2020 22: 20 New
            0
            And yet, the Merkava layout is preferable. Here at T 72 you can at least squeeze into the tower from the place of the MV, at T 64 - practically none. So helping a friend - or evacuating through the lower hatch, is impossible.
            And in the "chariot" - easily !. Yes, even the whole collective farm!
            1. 113262a
              113262a 19 June 2020 11: 53 New
              -1
              Already wrote - in a second he pulled out 2 trays, a campaign, even with shells from the MZ- (namely on the T-64) and two uncles under a hundred kg bullet flew behind me through the drap-hatch. Moreover, they did not even catch on. True, as it turned out later, AKSU had his HORN broken off alive!
          3. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 19 June 2020 22: 56 New
            +1
            And moreover, here hatches, open or closed, gunpowder and explosives in shells are purple. And not freon is used in the tank’s software but REFRIGERANT 114B2, Tetrafluorodibromethane.
            1. 113262a
              113262a 20 June 2020 16: 48 New
              -2
              Freon, now, before, when I served urgently in 83-85, it was Freon. And I suspect that in the captured 64b it’s the same! At least there is an effect, an open flame is being killed, the crew is choking!))) Yes, we are aware of phosgene!
              1. merkava-2bet
                merkava-2bet 20 June 2020 17: 13 New
                0
                Freon has never been used in the software of tanks; Freon 114B2 stands from the T-64 tank to the T-90 tank.

                Fire extinguishing agents used in tank building
                3,5 mixture - 70% bromoethyl С2Н5Вr (liquid) and 30% СО2 - was used on Т-62, Т-55. (HALON-2001)
                114В2 - С2F4Br2 tetrafluorodibromoethane (liquid) - Т-72 et al. (HALON-2402)
                13В1 - CF3Br trifluorochlorobromomethane (gas) - Т-72Б, Т-80У, Т-90, all foreign tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, except the Chieftain and Leopard-1А5
                12B1 - СF2СlBr difluorochlorobromomethane (gas) - "Chieftain" and "Leopard-1A5" (HALON-1211).
                1. The Soviet designation of freon is Freon, because of this confusion.
                Starting with the Merkava-2 tank, we have a PPO piston system, which is much more effective, especially against burning metal.
                1. merkava-2bet
                  merkava-2bet 20 June 2020 17: 31 New
                  0
                  Not a big correction for the Freon family.
                  Freons, chladones - the technical name of the group of fluorine-containing derivatives of saturated hydrocarbons (mainly methane and ethane) used as refrigerants, propellants, blowing agents, solvents. In addition to fluorine atoms, freons can contain chlorine or bromine atoms [1]. More than 40 different freons are known; most of them are manufactured by industry. The name "Freon" by DuPont (USA) has been used in the literature for many years as a general technical term for refrigerants. In the USSR and the Russian Federation the term "freons" [
              2. merkava-2bet
                merkava-2bet 20 June 2020 17: 23 New
                0
                Phosgene says, do you even know what it is Phosgene-Phosgene (carbonic acid dichloride), deadly gas, and even more so inside the tank, what else can you imagine a storyteller.
                1. 113262a
                  113262a 20 June 2020 17: 33 New
                  0
                  but when decomposing this freon itself, it’s the same thing! Who served, he will understand!
                  1. merkava-2bet
                    merkava-2bet 20 June 2020 17: 39 New
                    -1
                    You mean chemical reactions.
                    Freons are relatively chemically inert, therefore they do not burn in air, are not explosive even when in contact with an open flame, but they actively interact with alkali and alkaline earth metals, pure aluminum, magnesium, and magnesium alloys. Formation of mixtures with air or oxygen under pressure and contact with metal heated above 200 ° C is prohibited! When freons are heated above 250 ° C, very toxic products are formed, for example, phosgene COCl2, which was used as a chemical warfare agent during the First World War.
                    But we haven’t been using it for almost 40 years already, we use powders, foam, CO2, but not freon, although there are portable hand balonchiki with Halon in tanks for extinguishing clothes on humans, but in tanks and armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles only powder.
                    1. 113262a
                      113262a 20 June 2020 17: 51 New
                      -1
                      This is among the civilized and God's chosen! We have the same thing! Although, I’m sure that bringing a tank with an activated powder fire extinguisher into combat condition and picking out all soda and respiratory soda, or whatever else, is fun! And if ground mica or kaolin are also added to the soda ... This is a recipe for industrial quenching powders!
                2. 113262a
                  113262a 20 June 2020 17: 36 New
                  0
                  Freon R22
                  PDK 3000mg / m3 difluorochloromethane, hazard class 4 the lowest - low-hazard substances,
                  Freon R22

                  2.1. Basic properties.

                  Gas. Heavier than air. Insoluble in water. It is transported in a liquefied state under pressure. When released into the atmosphere, it turns into gas. It accumulates in low surface areas, basements of tunnels.

                  2.2. Explosion and fire hazard.

                  Incombustible. Tanks may explode when heated.

                  2.3. Danger to humans.

                  It is not dangerous in the open air. In high concentrations, inhalation hazard. Vapors cause irritation of the mucous membranes and skin. Contact with the liquid causes frostbite. In contact with fire emits toxic gases.

                  2.4. Symptoms of the defeat.

                  Dizziness, choking, shortness of breath after 6-8 hours.

                  3. INDIVIDUAL REMEDIES

                  Insulating gas mask. Respirator RPG-67G. Protective suit like TnYaa.

                  4. ACTION REQUIRED.

                  4.1. General character.

                  Remove strangers. Keep upwind. Avoid low places. Isolate the hazardous area and avoid strangers. Enter the accident zone only in a protective suit and insulating gas mask. Do not smoke.

                  4.2. In case of leakage and spillage.

                  Wear a protective suit and gas mask. Do not touch spilled material. Eliminate sources of fire. In case of intensive leakage, let the gas out completely. Isolate the area until the gas dissipates.

                  4.3. In case of fire.

                  Does not burn.

                  5. FIRST AID MEASURES.

                  5.1. First-aid:

                  Remove to fresh air. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen with alcohol vapor. Hospitalize immediately.

                  5.2. First medical:
                  ephedrine 5% - 1,0 s / c;
                  diphenhydramine 1% - 1,0 v / m;
                  With a drop in blood pressure - polyglucin iv in a droplet droplet
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 17 June 2020 16: 12 New
      -1
      I don’t know how from a cumulative projectile, but an engine is not a protection against scrap. And the engine in front is more vulnerable: the armor didn’t break through, but it hit hard, so it stalled. A standing tank is a destroyed tank (for Jews this is not so, but their local features are irrelevant for us). Yes, and hot air from the engine, they say, can interfere with the observation, aiming can (haze occurs). There is no door in the stern; in the stern there is an armor plate.
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 22: 37 New
        +2
        My dear, where do you get this heresy from? I give a tip to good sites:btvt.narod.ru and odetievbrony.ruYou will learn a lot of useful things.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 18 June 2020 00: 44 New
          0
          Which of the above do you consider heresy?
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 18 June 2020 08: 33 New
            +2
            That's all, from beginning to end heresy. Allegedly, they say, perhaps all this is speculation and tales, especially since I as a tanker of the tank Merkava-1alef, 1bet, 2alef, 2bet, 2bet meshupar, 2 Dalet Kasag and Merkava-3 Ramah . Pay attention, I have precisely listed all modifications of the Merkava-2 tank on which I served and fought.
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 18 June 2020 08: 48 New
              -2
              Cool. But still, let's point by point:
              1. The engine from BOPS will not help.
              2. A running engine generates hot air that causes haze.
              3. In the stern of Merkava there is an armor plate.
              Which of these is wrong?
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 18 June 2020 22: 25 New
                -1
                Well, where did you get that that won’t help? Personally, I do not know such experiments. But the reasoning of S. Ilyushin, when he showed a pencil and explained that even such an obstacle knocks a bullet off the trajectory and reduces armor penetration, are known.
                Do you think that just frontal armor is better than frontal armor + motor + partition?
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 19 June 2020 00: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Well, where did you get that that won’t help?
                  Good people said. Yes, it knocks a bullet from the trajectory, I even saw that 7 155-mm watermelon shells were taken from the trajectory, but it’s too late to take it away: the crowbar is already inside, but the engine will not be able to somehow reduce the armor penetration.
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Do you think that just frontal armor is better than frontal armor + motor + partition?
                  Yes, it’s better: it can be made thicker, since the rear engine allows you to balance the distribution of mass on the tank, plus the crew is better protected from damage when the projectile "at an angle" hits. That is, if the engine is in front, then the projectile, if it flies at an angle to the axis of the tank at 15 degrees (say), will hit the crew. For the same thing to happen when the engine is in the back, the angle of approach of the projectile is 30 degrees. Another thing is that in Israel it is necessary to make a serious circular reservation, albeit not so strong from the forehead, and not like ours, when the forehead is extremely protected, and the sides and the feed is much weaker (their main enemy is not an enemy tank, but an RPG), so the position of the engine for weight distribution becomes not so important.
    4. garri-lin
      garri-lin 18 June 2020 20: 41 New
      0
      Equivalent engine how can you specify protection? It was always interesting to me.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 17 June 2020 11: 38 New
    +4
    Such complex, sophisticated systems, effectively "work", there and for what they were conceived, made.
  8. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 17 June 2020 11: 40 New
    -9
    Israeli portal Military Review, publishes once again, an important opinion that our tank is better than even the owner. Fair.
  9. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 12: 09 New
    14
    Approximately every two to three months, an article pops up about an author about Merkava’s tank, which, at best, was seen in a museum, or even in the picture, and begin to carry bullshit. For those who still believe that Western tanks, including the Israeli ones, that they are heavy sheds, let them look at Armata, officially announced 55 tons, and this is only the beginning, and its dimensions.
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 17 June 2020 12: 34 New
      13
      let them look at Armata
      We would love to see ourselves, and not at the parade, but in battle. Merkava good or bad, but a working chariot of war! And the armata that, even the Ministry of Defense decided to replenish the fleet of modernized T90.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 17 June 2020 13: 21 New
        -10
        This is how to look, but I’m hitting?) Sliced ​​on YouTube?))) So this is not a fight, but a squeeze from it. As for t 14 and t 90, the contracts for both cars were signed at the same time, just t 14 is still at the VFS tests
  10. Forest
    Forest 17 June 2020 12: 12 New
    -6
    “M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main battle tanks of the world.” - and this is not merit of tanks, but of advertising)
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 17 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +6
      "The M1 Abrams and Merkava IV are deservedly among the best main battle tanks in the world."
      Given the number of countries producing main battle tanks, it’s difficult not to get on this list.
      1. Grits
        Grits 17 June 2020 16: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Threaded Screw
        Given the number of countries producing main battle tanks, it’s difficult not to get on this list.

        I will try offhand:
        USA
        Russia
        China
        Germany
        France
        Italy
        Sweden
        Israel
        Brazil
        India
        Turkey
        DPRK
        South Korea
        Japan
        Pakistan
        Ukraine
        You can fix it ...
  11. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 17 June 2020 12: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Forest
    Thanks to the active protection system, a shot was recorded, after which neutralization tools were released. The fighting vehicle and its crew were not injured, but a shell was fired at the attackers, as a result one of the Palestinians was injured.

    That is, as a result of the battle, there are no casualties.
    The real Middle East. wink
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 17 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +2
      That is, as a result of the battle, there are no casualties. The real Middle East. wink
      Better of course that would remain so)
    2. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 18 June 2020 20: 56 New
      -3
      ... and you look at this episode of endless war more widely ... what do we have; on the “Chariot” they started RPGs (it’s possible that the Chinese RPG-7 ... it’s the most popular in that region) .. it was hit by an element of active protection (this is shekel shekels) + they fired at them with 120 mm HE (it’s not so weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 20 June 2020 08: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        ..and you look at this episode of endless war more widely..what do we have; on the “Chariot” they started RPGs (it’s possible that the Chinese RPG-7 ... it’s the most popular in that region) .. it was hit by an active protection element (this is shekel shekels) + 120 mm fired at them (it’s not so weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war

        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        ..and you look at this episode of endless war more widely..what do we have; on the “Chariot” they started RPGs (it’s possible that the Chinese RPG-7 ... it’s the most popular in that region) .. it was hit by an active protection element (this is shekel shekels) + 120 mm fired at them (it’s not so weak in shekels) .. no, of course the tank survived and this is <+> .. but ... this is an expensive business High-tech war

        the next time you patrol Merkava, turn off Trophy, save money for the country.
        and generally, low-tech warfare is also costly.
        1. WapentakeLokki
          WapentakeLokki 20 June 2020 16: 27 New
          0
          ... do you have an idea about the features of using armor in the city ??? .. why are infantry infantry regiment attached ???
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 20 June 2020 17: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: WapentakeLokki
            do you have an idea about the features of using armor in the city ??? .. why is infantry infantry obsolete attached ??? .. or is it not so in Israel and the tank goes on its own and the infantry in the shade .. to sit ..

            I have not a lot.
            I had to serve in the reconnaissance company of the tank brigade. Israeli tank forces performed better than some others in urban battles.
            1. WapentakeLokki
              WapentakeLokki 20 June 2020 19: 18 New
              -2
              ..you of course about Grozny .. well, without comment .. (.. I can recall your ghettos in WW II where death and Sebibor were stupidly waiting - there without Russian prisoners of war it was completely depressing ..) so we had complete .. .. well, so all of Zionism was not behind us .. all with our own hands .. we learned .. and with regards to the experience of your tankmen in urban battles, it’s strange to hear that your experienced infantry didn’t allow for firing ATGMs but RPGs ... as they say .. clever enough
  12. Kars
    Kars 17 June 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    It’s difficult to somehow determine an offensive tank or a reserve tank. GTS at Abrams eats more than the passport, just a storm in the desert and showed.
  13. zenion
    zenion 17 June 2020 14: 03 New
    -1
    Does Merkava have four reverse gears and one forward?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 19 June 2020 08: 41 New
      0
      Quote: zenion
      Does Merkava have four reverse gears and one forward?

      This is Leclerc's
  14. Operator
    Operator 17 June 2020 14: 18 New
    -15
    That's why it was necessary to compare the front-wheel self-propelled guns with the main battle tank?
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 14: 37 New
      +8
      And here’s the main specialist in the Merkava tank, he got a good namesake day.
    2. prodi
      prodi 18 June 2020 14: 38 New
      -3
      don't be upset, minusers probably didn’t notice such an important parameter for MBT as just 10 first-round shots in a tower niche
  15. mvg
    mvg 17 June 2020 14: 53 New
    10
    I understand that when reading some material, you should receive some kind of new information for yourself. Otherwise, this is an empty pastime.
    The thought gnaws at me that only the author discovers something new for himself. Raise your hands, who, having read 100500+ articles from Polonsky, discovered something for himself ???
    The level of articles https://murzilka.org/glossary/detskiy_sayt/ is not higher.
    1. Actually, tanks can only be found on a BV theater, and we are considering it.
    2. Who has abrashi which versions have? They are tortured.
    3. The author, well, is it really difficult to find the armor structure of Merkava and Abrams? Their armor resistance? Ammunition for guns, their capabilities.
    PV: It is fruitful, like a rabbit, to advise the author to Valery Vasilievich, let him give his pedigree male a couple of lessons from the master class. But change the resource to Murzilka, and so in stages, after many years, you can reach the level of VO 2012.
    1. igor67
      igor67 17 June 2020 19: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      2. Who has abrashes, what versions do they have? We torture them

      in Egypt there are Abrams
      1. mvg
        mvg 17 June 2020 19: 56 New
        +2
        In Egypt, the KSA has a factory, Kuwait, the Emirates have trophies. Eat a lot. No one has about uranium, a replacement for composite. The level of frontal protection is slightly reduced, from 1100 to 900-1000. Approximately, like Merkava, about 900 mm against BOPS. But Merkava is more interesting than BOPS; hardly even the Saud have 829A4. And at Merkava's panel, when penetrated, it can be replaced almost in the field. There were photos from the flipped panel in a day like new. We must ask the locals, they love it. KSA has the most modern M1A2S, this is SEP2.
        Well, let the specialist compare what is on BV, which countries have and how many, deployment, logistics, the possibility of conflict. And for dessert TTX, only in conjunction with sneads. Well, Jewish Tamudas do not forget.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 17 June 2020 14: 57 New
    +3
    Ilya, do not be offended. I read the headline, I guessed who the author was. Yesterday you wrote about airplanes, today about tanks ... But you have your own niche, why did you stop writing on the topics that you wrote before - Latin America ..?
  17. Freedim
    Freedim 17 June 2020 16: 27 New
    -3
    There is a little movie "Lebanon" shot by a former Israeli tanker about Israeli tankers .. The film actually proves that whatever the tank is, it all depends on the crew. If you put a person far from war inside, everything will be very bad. The film was shot exclusively inside the model of the "prepared" first Merkava .. Nichert is not visible, but the atmosphere is small.
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 17 June 2020 18: 57 New
      +3
      In the film itself, the Centurion tank, or according to our Shot Kal without DZ, at the expense of the layout, the Centurion tank too, look again.
  18. smaug78
    smaug78 17 June 2020 16: 44 New
    +3
    Again Polonsky raves, I read his articles, like humoresques from the Murzilka magazine. Information is zero, but the author is ridiculous in his stupidity ....
  19. Free wind
    Free wind 17 June 2020 16: 56 New
    +4
    In Merkava, fuel tanks are located from the front, I read something like that. And it is believed that this is a good addition to protection. there are stories of tankers from Germany about the Leopards. In principle, the engine and gearbox are the same as Merkava. Weight is about the same. The armament is similar, Ours also rode. It seems like it. I met a video where carrots and jumped from springboards. Well, do not fall apart after jumping.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 19 June 2020 19: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      In principle, the engine and gearbox are the same as Merkava. Weight is about the same

      The Germans have their own engine, the Israelis have an American.
      The weight of Merkava and Leopard is about the same, but the Leopard is almost a meter longer, which means its armor is more “smeared” compared to Merkava.
  20. donpablo
    donpablo 17 June 2020 20: 33 New
    0
    in a desert storm, up to 80% of Iraqi tanks destroyed by US aviation
  21. Pissarro
    Pissarro 18 June 2020 04: 14 New
    -2
    Abrams is not a tank, but an SPG, in fact, since it is not a breakthrough weapon, but a shooting from a safe distance. Dimensions, weight, speed, everything just screams about it. And against the backdrop of Merkava, this is grandfather. Merkava is a highly specialized machine, sharpened for a specific type of war and a specific theater. Again, this is not a breakthrough weapon, but a weapon of a protracted war with the Papuans, which showed itself normally.
  22. Alsur
    Alsur 18 June 2020 09: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    “Abrams” and “Merkava” have different missions: the American tank is designed for a quick attack, the Israeli one is for defense and long-term operations against rebels.
    This is not so ... Both tanks are capable of both advancing and reinforcing defense ... There are no "offensive" and "defensive" tanks.

    Quite right, all the more Abrams was created as a tank, which should stop the armada of Soviet tanks, i.e. perform defensive functions, and in the article he became offensive.
  23. Petrik66
    Petrik66 18 June 2020 11: 27 New
    0
    If in a clean field, T 34 - 85 will meet with the Panther, Tiger, and on command - To the barrier! If they begin to converge from a distance of 2000 meters, then the outcome will be like Pushkin and Dantes. Well, and what does this have to do with a real war? "Merkava" was created against specific opponents and for a specific theater, "Abrams", as it is not strange as well. Only in the USSR, under Ustinov, three tanks were immediately infected, so that no one would be offended, but in the USSR both T64, T80, and T72 were created for specific tasks and for a particular theater. Israel and the USA have excellent equipment, good soldiers and experience. The Russian Federation also has good equipment, good soldiers. That is why, all three participants in the competition, while in Syria, extremely politely shitting each other without entering into an open battle. And the Israeli comrade says that he himself knows or someone told him.
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 18 June 2020 23: 01 New
      +3
      If you are about me, then without any prompts or propaganda, from personal combat experience, from 2001 to today, almost all operations and wars have taken part during this time.
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 19 June 2020 10: 44 New
        +1
        Respect to you and respect. it’s always nice when people who are directly related to the topic touched on, rather than having invaluable experience in computer battles, comment.
      2. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 19 June 2020 17: 19 New
        0
        Well, and in what year at least some kind of merkava had a shell capable of smashing the forehead of at least the tank before it? can Merkava 3 break through the non-export T62 with a splash? Well, let's say Brezhnev's eyebrow. IMHO there is nothing and proofs naydutsa
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 19 June 2020 22: 28 New
          +1
          You are like a small child, and the questions are dumber than the previous ones. All NATO and Israel tanks are unified by 105/120 mm guns, that is, we can use the latest BOPs of any country, even such powerful ones as M829A3 shells and so on, which have armor penetration under 800 mm at 2000 meters. Any tank in the world after hitting one projectile or another, if it can withstand it will still receive damage, albeit not fatal, and not like in films, therefore there is a whole range of combat survivability. And the tank of the previous generation a priori loses to the tank next generation. There are good sites on the tank theme, read, very much broaden the horizons of tanks.
          Here are my favorites:btvt.narod.ru odetievbrony.ru otvaga2004.ru
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 12 July 2020 19: 49 New
            -1
            ahahahaha infinite. but sobsno Israeli drive) in addition, I already see the Germans scorching m829a3e4 and ayurjams dm 999)) it’s unreliable)) unified flies .. well, like shit with a T72 shot from a T90 and with a longer throwing charge .. and so that the mount does not break. from t72 to 12km; from t90 to 10. the only thing that really went is the Germans universal shells and by the way opamy went to the usa from israel? bgggg. what gun is on carrots or do you give out a caliber for a gun, yeah, it’s the most. But lope pressure extra-German in American in Israeli? and it is different bggg and this is very google))
  24. yehat2
    yehat2 18 June 2020 23: 24 New
    -3
    Merkava is a tank imprisoned under the rather narrow conditions of its theater.
    he does not need to cross rivers or make large marches
    This is a tank fighting for items in the desert or in urban areas.
    therefore, a huge amount of protection and auxiliary systems can be hung on it.
    Abrams is more universal, but at the same time very vulnerable to side attacks - this is a tank only of frontal combat, and with air superiority.
    Both are imprisoned for narrow military tasks, both have enormous weight.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 20 June 2020 18: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: yehat2
      side attack - this is a tank only frontal battle,

      You have tanks for side combat.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 21 June 2020 23: 18 New
        0
        Compare the side protection of the Is-2 and Abrams
        Is-2 was created for side combat?
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 22 June 2020 06: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: yehat2
          Compare the side protection of the Is-2 and Abrams
          Is-2 was created for side combat?

          I wanted to tell you that I don’t understand what side combat is, in contrast to frontal combat, and how side reservation is associated with it.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 23 June 2020 11: 40 New
            0
            you yourself came up with a side battle, so answer. Why do I need this question?
  25. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 19 June 2020 17: 17 New
    0
    giggle frantically from the title excuse me
  26. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 20 June 2020 15: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: 113262
    Is not a fact! In the same case, they stood just on board to Rapier, already immobilized, and the adversaries threw 120 mines so that our life would not seem like honey. And the MSL, the one that was useful to the driver, oh! By the way, the fire didn’t happen - Freon blew everything out, since the top hatches never opened.

    I understand that MSL is a small sapper shovel, and what did you dig? You say that the T-64 tank, for example the T-64B or T-64BV, means in the territory of either Ukraine or the DPR / LPR, and it hit you with a blank or a cop MT -12 Rapier, and even on board, in the area of ​​the MZ conveyor with rack tanks with shells and charges of 125 mm caliber,

    , and you managed to shift your seat along the way, open the hero hatch, pull out two shells (which is not enough for a 100 kg load box, you need to pull out at least three shells), for which you need a special key. And most importantly, dig something under the tank under the cannonade of 120 mm mortars, and not forgetting that the tank is in the field, which means when the clearance is 450 mm on the concrete, then the field is 250 mm at best, and you three dudes under 100 kg each, and even in overalls, did this trick and survived, but you are God's anointed and lucky guys.

    But seriously, how lucky you are if it's true.
    Looking at the photos and diagrams of the T-64, it is very difficult to believe.



    Since the result is deplorable.

  27. Cer59
    Cer59 21 June 2020 12: 06 New
    -1
    It all depends on the crew. Merkava, when modeling battles with our last T-90s, lost to zero. here again its positive sides were affected by the extra armor and toilets. Russians who have moved to Israel and employees in the tank units unequivocally declare that even with the last t-72 series, it will be difficult for the Merkava to fight on an equal footing if it has a Russian crew.
    about ambrams I will say so American PR. the loss of the Soviet t-55 is commensurate with the loss of abrams. and about the t-72 and t-80 m t-90 can not be compared. in fact, it’s no secret that part of our military men thrown out of the army in the 90s became subjects of other countries. and on Soviet technology. and so their opinion is that, without complete superiority in the air and in the ground forces, the ambram is designed to be destroyed in battle in 5-10 minutes. which is actually proven in Yemen and Syria. Well, our t-xxx from t-34 to t-90 crawl and shoot.
    1. avib
      avib 21 June 2020 18: 28 New
      0
      Russians moving to Israel and serving in tank units

      These tankers know the name -T72 - and no more. And all because, at best, they came to Israel as children and drafted into tank troops. So there is no one to compare between Merkava and T72. You have to, without getting up from the couch, fiercely compare tanks on the performance characteristics.
      About Russian tank crews there are a lot of movies on YouTube. The Russian crew is not a panacea. After all, even Emelianenko will merge the bespectacled man with a gun.
      1. Cer59
        Cer59 21 June 2020 21: 48 New
        0
        You are mistaken from the opposition of the T-72 in 1975. when our crew of Jewish guys got along with the merkava. at the landfill dust to the sky. total superiority of the t-72. now the retired t-72 commander has left the colonel. and he knows in advance what is what. behind a glass of self-tapping screw, he told which tankmen were Arabs. but also talked about hassles with our instructor crews. if there were support helicopters in the air, then they pushed our ours away, but if there weren’t six lost mercenaries, they forced to abandon these attempts.
        in the prince won the one who first discovered. they didn’t even beat us in the forehead, they managed to open the side armor. and one slammed in the ass.
        speed advantage is an important advantage.
        all the bells and whistles of the type of anti-missile and in this spirit helps up to 130mm. from our captured 152 mm guns, they were pierced from 1000 m to the take-off tower. in the forehead, partially went into the sky with the disabling of the crew. either hi in the fighting compartment. Well, there were ideal conditions.
        the baby and pturs of the first generation of different countries also disable the tank. who is aiming and what is the distance. they don’t have laser guidance and the electronics do not see them. especially when aiming a little on the side. In any case, there is no protection from the wired ptrs in this case.
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 21 June 2020 22: 28 New
          -1
          He wrote nonsense, not interconnected, a set of amateur words. Question about backfill, when did the T-72 tank begin to be exported and to whom? And who is this regiment, and where did he instruct them? I myself was born and raised in Turkmenistan, and about the largest tank range in the USSR I know by hearsay, there were also trained Arab crews of all stripes, the terrain was suitable, Tedzhen, Sakar-Chaga, Kushka, Yolotani district.
        2. avib
          avib 22 June 2020 08: 11 New
          -1
          You are mistaken from the opposition of the T-72 in 1975. when our crew of Jewish guys got along with the merkava.

          Is it nothing that merkava entered service in 1979?