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“Kiev refuses Minsk obligations”: Gryzlov commented on the words of the representative of Ukraine

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“Kiev refuses Minsk obligations”: Gryzlov commented on the words of the representative of Ukraine

Kiev’s refusal to implement the Minsk agreements is becoming increasingly real. Earlier, representatives of the Ukrainian delegation in the contact group on the Donbass at least pretended to strive to implement them, but recently, statements about the insolvency of these agreements have begun to sound more and more often.


The next statement regarding the agreements concluded between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk was made by the deputy head of the delegation of Ukraine in the contact group on the Donbass, Alexander Merezhko. According to him, the agreements concluded earlier in Minsk are not binding, but are advisory in nature.

The representative of Russia in the contact group, Boris Gryzlov, noted that the attitude of the Ukrainian authorities to the implementation of the Minsk Agreements has changed dramatically and if earlier they recognized the mandatory implementation, then Kiev has been evading this recently.

Merezhko said that the package of measures is advisory in nature and does not impose any obligations on Ukraine

- Gryzlov said, adding that a statement of this kind was made at the talks for the first time.

The Russian representative emphasized that the “new people” from Kiev who appeared in the negotiations “deny the legal basis of the agreements themselves,” thereby “crossing out the work of their predecessors.” According to Gryzlov, Kiev is trying to disrupt the "negotiation process."

The question arises - on the basis of what Kiev has been working for five years

- said Gryzlov.

Recall that Kiev appointed its own representatives to the negotiation group, not wanting to negotiate with representatives of the people's republics of Donbass. As previously reported by the Military Review, against this background, rumors about the adoption of the LPR and the DPR as part of Russia began to sound more and more often.
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  1. certero
    certero 16 June 2020 12: 14 New
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    I never intended to fulfill any Minsk agreements of Ukraine.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 16 June 2020 12: 23 New
      12
      Against this background, rumors about the adoption of the LPR and the DPR as part of Russia began to sound more and more often.

      The only true scenario: it is necessary to put an end to this matter, not the Minsk ellipsis. Only in this way the war will end.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 12: 30 New
        12
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The only true scenario: it is necessary to put an end to this matter, not the Minsk ellipsis. Only in this way the war will end.

        It was necessary to TAKE Mariupol! Eh ... They let go of the "sharovarnikov" ...
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          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 12: 39 New
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            Quote: really
            And where were you, what didn’t you take?

            Not taken. Me. Age, they say ... But I wanted to. Fascism must be crushed "in the cradle", no matter what kind of trousers he may wear.
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              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 16 June 2020 13: 02 New
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                Quote: really
                Why do you think that in Ukraine fascism

                The country in which fascism is glorified and transformed in the country, or is this the norm for you?

                Or maybe I didn’t finish something, and this is not fascism.
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                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 16 June 2020 14: 10 New
                    +3
                    Quote: really
                    And as you know from history, the presence of a non-replaceable leader is one of the signs of a fascist state

                    But in the photo I somehow don’t see the leaders.
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                      1. 41 REGION
                        41 REGION 16 June 2020 15: 42 New
                        +4
                        Quote: really
                        You see, they are not there, because they are not

                        There are few real violent, and there are no leaders tongue This is really not about you. You have a lot of violent ones, so treat your skakuasa better.
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                2. alexmach
                  alexmach 16 June 2020 15: 05 New
                  +5
                  Recently, there have been outlawed such

                  Not long ago (during the last 15 years) such people were only encouraged there, and at the state level.
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                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 16 June 2020 15: 31 New
                      +2
                      That’s not 2%. In 2014, in the summer, quietly on the street, you could hear something like "we must kill all Russians." Western Ukraine is full of people who are extremely hostile and radical. And these are ordinary ordinary people, not some 2% of marginal fanatics. And the central government takes advantage of this and on this parasite deliberately fanning hatred on national grounds. A large number of people in the center and in the east simply tacitly approve of this. And they talk about how they will unite with Bandera to defend Ukraine.
                3. avg
                  avg 16 June 2020 16: 19 New
                  +2
                  And as you know from history, the presence of a non-replaceable leader is one of the signs of a fascist state

                  You mark the Queen of England. Or, horror, to Merkel’s nursing mother herself?
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                  2. Andobor
                    Andobor 16 June 2020 19: 11 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avg
                    You mark the Queen of England.

                    No, in Britain feudalism and racial discrimination.
                4. Gennady Fomkin
                  Gennady Fomkin 16 June 2020 18: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: really
                  Recently, such people were outlawed there, there is no Duce, elections are being held, and the extreme right and extreme left are in many countries. And as you know from history, the presence of a non-replaceable leader is one of the signs of a fascist state

                  Merkel too? laughing
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                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 June 2020 14: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vvvaunavi
                  About National Socialism and Annexation ..


                  I don’t understand where does National Socialism and annexation come from, and who annexed whom.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 03 New
                    +3
                    Duc in 1569 and Ukrainians were not there. By the way, the Russian Empire entered without the Ukrainians, where did the Ukrainians come from? request
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 16 June 2020 15: 29 New
                      +3
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      Duc in 1569 and Ukrainians were not there. By the way, the Russian Empire entered without the Ukrainians, where did the Ukrainians come from?

                      So true Little Russians, but not Ukrainians.
                    2. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 35 New
                      +4
                      if not mistaken, the first Ukrainians appeared on March 2, 1917. Milyukov passed the law in the interim government ...
                      in general, these newly-formed Ukrainians are very strange .. it is not clear what they want. Are they for self-determination or against? request if for self-determination, then you need to give Donbass self-determination. if against, then you need to booth with sovereign Ukraine to end and return the entire territory of Russia.
            2. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 16 June 2020 15: 24 New
              -1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Or maybe I didn’t finish something, and this is not fascism.

              This is not fascism. This is much worse - it is Nazism. Do not confuse.
          2. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 13: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: really
            Why do you think that fascism is in Ukraine, and why it is necessary to walk through a neighboring country with fire and sword. Given the huge

            But what kind of "fire and sword" is there ... 80% of the population will meet with flowers, and Lviv and Uzhgorod will be re-educated to their former owners ... tongue
            1. really
              really 16 June 2020 13: 11 New
              -13
              Where such confidence
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 13: 21 New
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                Quote: really
                Where such confidence

                Familiar full. And in Kiev, and in Kharkov, and in Odessa. You, sharovarnikov, better not turn their backs to them. You brought them already ...
                1. really
                  really 16 June 2020 13: 38 New
                  -9
                  Your friends are most likely your own views, otherwise you will not find a common language with them. You did not conduct polls. Yes, Ukraine is a difficult time, and it’s difficult with the economy and political views, but as we see in the Donbass, they simply won’t give up their land, which means total war and the death of soldiers from TWO sides,
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 13: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: really
                    they just won’t give up their land, which means total war, and the death of soldiers from TWO sides,

                    Protect what they will be? OWN land? Yes, as well as the Crimea will be protected! Their land has already been sold by their rulers. And their homes are already partially abroad. Where there are earnings!
                  2. really
                    really 16 June 2020 13: 51 New
                    -10
                    Donbass showed another
                2. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 42 New
                  +3
                  Quote: really
                  means total war, and the death of soldiers from TWO sides,

                  mostly with one ...
                  the army of the Russian Federation is no longer teachers and accountants brewed APU and punitive in 7 boilers. unlike militias, the regular army of the Russian Federation has the opportunity to destroy the Uraine ammunition depots and infrastructure throughout Ukraine. As you understand, without ammunition the army loses its combat effectiveness a little. approximately to the level of complete disability ...
                  any questions?
                3. really
                  really 16 June 2020 16: 48 New
                  -2
                  There are since throwing and fighting caps are two different things, and the question is simple, are you personally ready to send your son to the war with Ukraine.
                4. Gennady Fomkin
                  Gennady Fomkin 16 June 2020 18: 16 New
                  +2
                  You and do not need to conquer "defeat" yourself.
                5. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 16 June 2020 20: 22 New
                  +1
                  OU! you seem to have decided that I am telling you how we will all win? wassat
                  no. I just draw your attention to objective reality yes
                  let's get acquainted with the story.
                  the first steps of the modern army of the Russian Federation is the second Chechen one. (if anything, the first Chechen was the convulsive death of the USSR army.) the results? the gangs of the formation were defeated, the bandits were smoothed out, the constitutional order was restored. not a little blood, but done.

                  2008 year. an army built according to NATO standards, with NATO instructors, with "the most modern weapons" (they said so), was defeated in a couple of days. by the way, you don't notice anything familiar wink Air defense ceased to exist in 1 day. results? successfully forced to peace good

                  2015 operation in Syria. for 5 years of active hostilities, the loss of about 100 people. with rare exceptions, all centers of resistance have been destroyed. A wealth of experience has been gained in the use of precision weapons and in countering modern types of weapons.

                  Well? will we analyze the Ukrainian experience of "paternet"?

                  you ask, would I send my son to the war with Ukraine? of course not! I do not have such a need. a professional army is fighting in Russia. turn into ashes warehouses, bridges and substations will be contract soldiers with rich combat experience. Ukraine is not the case for which they will mobilize.
                  your situation is worse. What can I advise you? do as many Ukrainians do! wink in case of war or mobilization, send your son to the "country of the aggressor", and then you look, and as if he had not left anywhere.

                  And one moment. there will be a war with Ukraine or not, it is not up to you and not to me. Alas request I personally think that there are few prerequisites for this. somewhere by the end of 2021 the population of LDNR will receive Russian citizenship and these republics will be completely inhabited by Russian citizens. after that, Russian troops will enter there with a clear conscience. maybe Ukraine will try to do something but it is very doubtful. so you have to cook for a long time in your American-European independence, of course, if you do not decide to do something ..
            2. Gennady Fomkin
              Gennady Fomkin 16 June 2020 18: 14 New
              0
              From which hangover of the land Don Army your land? laughing
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        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 16 June 2020 15: 17 New
          +2
          Sure ?, go down the pot better.
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        and Lviv and Uzhgorod for re-education to the former owners ...

        only if Warsaw is Russia.
        Well, the Germans would be nice to return what Stalin gave the Poles. wink purely in the framework of decommunization laughing
    2. alien
      alien 16 June 2020 13: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: really
      Why do you think that in Ukraine fascism

      And what do you think:
      "Sotnik Mykola" shoots at people in the House of Trade Unions.


      a woman was killed in a union house
      Juliana Bang Bang
      ***
      no big deal happened.
      the world did not collapse into a crack.
      in the house of Trade Unions
      killed a woman.
      the voice beat fiercely
      from the window open.
      answered with a gaggle
      the bastard is punched.
      everything flowed as usual
      and not seeing disaster
      I shot everything on camera
      responsible person.
      it is not hate -
      no name for him.
      the voice beat fiercely
      from the plague building.
      death went there
      and grimaced sincerely
      even though I'm used to it, poor
      and to the fire, and to the shots.
      roasted there, roasted,
      choked with screams ...
      killed a woman.
      the flame flickered with glare.
      crucified on the table
      somehow wildly arched
      a woman was dying
      not overtaken by people.
      who thought - over!
      someone sang - the beginning!
      under her heart
      the heart was silent.
      pulled
      two straight lines ...
      no it's not hate -
      no such name.
      everything flowed as usual.
      without feeling disaster
      removed this silence
      responsible person.
      no big deal happened.
      the world did not collapse into a crack.
      everyday and fun
      killed a woman.

      1. really
        really 16 June 2020 13: 49 New
        -16
        Read what was there before this house burned down and people died, read not biased.
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          1. really
            really 16 June 2020 13: 57 New
            -11
            I want people to read at least something laughing
            1. alien
              alien 16 June 2020 14: 16 New
              11
              Quote: really
              I want people to read at least something

              “But those in Galicia, to whom Bandera seems“ their own, ”should decide what is more important for them: Bandera or Ukraine? Because an attempt to exalt Bandera will lead to a split in Ukraine. You start Bandera - end with terror and separatism.

              If the state recognizes the role model of a terrorist, it means that it will bless the terror against itself. Anyone who does not like Ukraine will be able to justify the Bandera methods of dealing with it. He will say: if the Bandera organization killed officials and even just teachers, then anyone in this country is allowed to do the same in the name of their ideas. I don’t know if Yushchenko understood such consequences of his decree, but they will follow exactly. Do you want this in a multinational country? I do not want.
              Present-day Ukraine is the result of Soviet and anti-Soviet Ukraine. But the Soviet Union has long become post-Soviet. No one erects monuments to Stalin in the east. But it is precisely a fresh monument to Bandera that scares away tourists from Lviv. Dead man does not live alive. Either Ukraine, or Bandera - there is no other choice.»

              Oles Buzin, 14 March 2010 of the year
              https://buzina.org/povtorenie/2707-ili-bandera-ili-ukraina.html
            2. really
              really 16 June 2020 15: 02 New
              -10
              Unfortunately, they install it, and talk about it even more,
              Ukraine, as a state, cannot be created at one moment, and they are searching for their heroes, as in other states, Russia also did not avoid these problems. And I really would like for Ukraine to decide who is a hero, who is not very, and who is not a hero at all, but when the country suddenly faced an external threat, a war broke out on its territory, a piece of territory was chopped off from it, and it was brazenly emphasized during the greatest weakness of the country, then you need a hero of resistance. Remember how suddenly Al.Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible were needed by the USSR, and the church was suddenly needed by the communists atheists, in the Second World War.
            3. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 16 June 2020 16: 10 New
              +5
              Quote: really
              Ukraine, as a state, cannot be created in one moment, and they are searching for their heroes

              then you have big problems yes
              all who have done at least something useful for this territory are either Russian or pro-Russian (pro-conscientious) figures. Ukrainians were created to tear off border areas. Ukrainians are forced to rename cities and streets because they are not their cities and streets. forced to look for heroes among those who were against Russia and the USSR, but among them only mazeps who betrayed everyone whom the Nazis Bandera encountered. no others. you can search among the new ones, but the same thing here. neo-Nazis from Azov and Aydar and the pravoseki.
              the choice is very poor, or Bandera is your hero, or to recognize the failure of the Ukrainian project and quasi-nationality as a whole.
            4. really
              really 16 June 2020 16: 32 New
              -4
              None of them are my hero, but why are you sure that you are reasoning coldly at the historian and the analyst.
            5. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 16 June 2020 19: 28 New
              0
              sure wink
              the point is the very essence of self-independence. there are malorosy and velikorosy. It is the same. names reflect habitat. some from Little Russia, others from Great Russia. to convince maloros that he is Ukrainian, you need to somehow explain to him how he is better than other Russians and how he differs from them. for this we need heroes, we need a story, and preferably our own language. with history and heroes everything is bad. the entire creative part of the history of this region took place as part of the Russian Empire or the USSR. you have to appropriate someone else's story that constantly pops up and leads to incidents. if you turn to the history of independent Ukraine, you constantly meet either Makhno, then Bandera or Parashenko. request the fact that with mova you didn’t really succeed without me. the entire ideological base of the Ukrainian project is hatred of the Russians. why hate? as I wrote above, Ukrainians are an alienated part of the Russian population. the only way to ensure that Ukrainians remain Ukrainians is to prevent even the thought that they are a single people.
              until 1917 the Ukrainians joined. it was a Russophobic party that our "good friends" Poles actively huddled at. and after Milyukov pushed through the law on the status of the Ukrainian people for the inhabitants of Galicia, Ukrainians continued to join as a party.
              2020 is now and you have a choice. you can remain a Ukrainian with the corresponding heroes and a historical train or remember that you were once Russian.
              It is interesting that you refused this choice to the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk.
        2. alien
          alien 16 June 2020 16: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: really
          but when the country suddenly faced an external threat

          Bogdan Khmelnitsky chose Russia.

          In the meantime, V. Zelensky:
          “What the hell is the association with the EU? Which EU? Have you read the agreement? Europe takes our forest, Ukrainian zarobitchans make furniture, and then the EU sells this furniture to our country three times more expensive than for the countries of the European Union. They export our natural resources, make products, and then sell them to us. And what did Ukraine get from this? Loans on enslaving terms. Everything, nothing more»
        3. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 16 June 2020 17: 59 New
          0
          Quote: really
          Ukraine, as a state, cannot be created in one moment

          A good one, 30 years long.
          There is a state called Israel. The first 30 years of Israel are 3 won wars - the Arab-Israeli conflict - 1948-1949, "The Six Day War" - 1967. and "Yom Kippur War" - 1973
          And the result of "Ukraine as a state" at the end of the same 30 years in greenhouse conditions in comparison with Israel is an armed coup, civil war and default. Oh, yes, I almost forgot the main achievement - "visa-free".
  2. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 57 New
    +2
    opposite. very interesting!
    that's what I found right away.
    https://rg.ru/2014/05/15/spisok-site-anons.html
    It seems you immediately began to lie. is it to position yourself correctly?
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 16 June 2020 14: 34 New
    +4
    So read, and also read about neighboring Nikolaev, where the Maydanites gathered 50-100 people, and then one day hundreds came to bring Lenin fellows for the selection of 18-25 years old, read how it ended in blood and 20 firearms, and so in each city of the South east
  • Looking for
    Looking for 16 June 2020 14: 56 New
    +3
    A. what to read is the testimony of "eyewitnesses" - hardened Russophobes And there are no other testimonies. For these other-term.
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 15: 17 New
      -8
      Testimonies of Russophiles in the Russian press, only one crucified boy is worth what. In the war they lie immensely
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 16 June 2020 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: really
        what a crucified boy alone is worth

        This is a purely Ukrainian meme, because you all lost because you’ve been eating your own shit for six years.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 16 June 2020 13: 49 New
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    Quote: really
    and why it is necessary to walk through the neighboring country with fire and sword.

    That is, all and various Nazi creatures, which you almost do not have, according to your words, can come to my land with fire and a sword, and if we cross your land you immediately begin to whine about Russian-Ukrainian families, grief and murdered relatives . No, really. Cancer cannot be cured like that; it needs to be cut out.
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 13: 53 New
      -9
      Look at the composition are happy and find there Bandera in percentage
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 16 June 2020 15: 00 New
        +5
        with the exception of the Oppositional Bloc of Medvedchuk-solid "Bandera"
        1. really
          really 16 June 2020 15: 03 New
          -6
          Not by sensations, but by name and party programs
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 16 June 2020 15: 28 New
        +2
        watched
        the Freedom party is in place. and Avakov, too, seems to be in place. not?
        but you're right, the weather vane is spinning laughing this is no longer Parashenkov’s glad.
        By the way, but about Parashenkov’s parliament, Maidan and tens of thousands of civilians killed in the Donbass type just forget? like it's not you?
        1. really
          really 16 June 2020 16: 34 New
          -3
          This is definitely not me.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 16 June 2020 19: 37 New
            0
            Quote: really
            This is definitely not me.

            glad to read it.
            PS
            I didn’t understand why this post of yours was minus? to the load? laughing
  • Pathos
    Pathos 16 June 2020 14: 56 New
    +6
    The mountain was brought back in 14m from a puddle of cookies. Relatives are no longer relatives, they are on opposite sides of the barricades, the brother killed the brother can’t wash off the blood, the entire return point has been passed. And do not forget in Kiev a lot of Russian shrines.

    Quote: really
    Why do you think that fascism in Ukraine,.


    And you look at the chevrons of the battalion Azov there clearly painted sign of the SS division rest list ???? Dobrobaty with chevrons slave owner say what is it ???? no, not fascism, so-so kids with little balls came out in the sandbox for a walk ????. Who allowed in Ukraine the good-natured workers who are not part of any state power structures to conduct ATO ????? The Nazis in power gave the answer to scumbags on the looting of the Donbass, why didn’t they give on the looting of the Lions ???? After all, everything started from there, the first began to capture the RSA and silence, and in the Donbass were separs. Is that not fascism? Everyone was promised them land and slaves. Even the forged gates robbed the creatures by new mail, they destroyed schools and hospitals at home. The lands they wanted received 2 square meters of dugouts. Monuments set to the Nazis / Nazis is that normal ????
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 15: 09 New
      -6
      Wait, didn’t Girkin begin military operations, and before that they chopped off the Crimea, then went to Mariupol and Nikolaev, Ukraine, because of its amorphous nature, did not attack Russia, moreover, there was an agreement on the recognition of integrity.
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 16 June 2020 15: 48 New
        +4
        Ukraine did not attack Russia, but fought against it in Chechnya (mercenaries), in Abkhazia (mercenaries), in South Ossetia (seconded to the U.S. + mercenaries). And the kaklams will remember this, the time will come.
        1. Pathos
          Pathos 16 June 2020 16: 06 New
          +4
          Duc already declassified all the instigators of the Maidan, former mercenaries. Russia has a lot of aces up its sleeve good Remember how Canada, like a mad dog with foam at the mouth, poured mud over Russia into Ukraine. And then voila from the sleeve trump card, Russia declassifies the affairs of the Nazis living in Canada. Where is Canada now ???? laughing Chet is completely inaudible and invisible, to see well they put the blowtorch to soft places laughing
        2. really
          really 16 June 2020 16: 41 New
          -4
          Mercenaries are not Ukraine, but private business, like the notorious Wagner in different countries of the world, whether it is or not, but they say
          1. cniza
            cniza 16 June 2020 18: 04 New
            +3
            No, APU worked on air defense, so that demand will be ...
          2. 4ekist
            4ekist 16 June 2020 19: 02 New
            0
            ........ Minister Dacic recalled that "it is well known that Ukrainian mercenaries participated in crimes committed by the Croatian security forces (in the first half of the 90s - Ed.) against the Serbian people in Croatia, which Ukraine, in unlike Serbia, never condemned "......

            Dear, you feel with whom Ukraine is fighting. Not only with the Russians, as if she wouldn’t plunge into the shit.
          3. Pathos
            Pathos 17 June 2020 01: 47 New
            0
            Oh god what to do ??? The notorious Wagner, because the time machine is also built into it laughing And Trotsky, too, THEY ???? tongue

            And the fact that the Rabbit lit up with a snipe like Comme il faut ??? And then the prime minister of Ukraine, and the second time the lard for the year and California. Already not funny.

            Maybe it's time to get ice axes ????
      2. Pathos
        Pathos 16 June 2020 15: 53 New
        +5
        No, it all started with the seizure of regional state administrations and police departments in western Ukraine and it flashed why in the west it is possible and in the east it is impossible ???? Where did the law-enforcement officers and kind-robots come from Kalash ??? Answer from the police departments of western Ukraine. And then they decided to arrange a carriage ride, the right-wingers rode all over Ukraine and instilled ideas, but in the east it did not fail. In the east, the police did not go against the people when they saw how the golden eagle was handed over in Kiev, because it’s impossible to kill cops, this law otherwise Anarchy begins, which is now happening in the states. Until the robes and Natsik with their weapons came to the east, everything was quiet, well, and then the hut's water rushed, you know the sad results. They could not have made a political decision in Kiev on the introduction of an emergency in the country, otherwise the IMF did not give a tranche and an end to dreams of Europe.

        In addition, under the treaty, the USA, Russia, France, Germany acted as guarantors of Ukrainian security after disarmament from nuclear weapons. But there are no external enemies of the conflict in the country itself, and Russia can rightfully introduce a peacekeeping contingent but does not introduce it, is it strange right ???

        Quote: really
        and before that they chopped off Crimea, then went to Mariupol and Nikolaev, Ukraine because of their amorphous nature.
        laughing laughing laughing to point laughing

        If you saw the Ukrainian army in a heap with Dobrobats and Natsyks, or what is called the army, you would tear your stomach from laughter. One battery for the entire convoy / village, they start a tank, an armored infantry fighting vehicle is hooked to it, then the Urals are pulled by the cord and the whole convoy is pulled. Yes, even pygmies would pile them with spears and arrows laughing What amorphous dough Europe would not give. Well, excuse me with Crimea, there was an autonomous republic within Ukraine, read the constitution, all formalities were followed in Crimea and that’s the point. And in the Donbass, there are 2 options left, or recognition or miners will drink Lvivske in Lviv and then Europe will have to negotiate with another state with a different name. Something like this hi
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 16 June 2020 20: 55 New
        +2
        Michael, in September 1939 the USSR "chopped off" Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn from Poland, in 1940 "chopped off" Chernivtsi and South Bukovina from Romania, in 1945 "chopped off" Uzhgorod from Czechoslovakia - you can return the "illegally acquired" "legal owners "? And when and under what circumstances the Crimean Peninsula became part of the Ukrainian SSR - do you remember? - Do you consider the USSR an "occupier"? - discard the "legacy of occupation". And who began to use the army inside the country without declaring martial law? (A. Turchinov)
    2. really
      really 16 June 2020 15: 19 New
      -3
      Something I can not believe about slaves. From the word completely
      1. Pathos
        Pathos 16 June 2020 16: 21 New
        +1
        On the chevron it was written "Rabovlasnik" Local residents heard the conversation of the son with his mother from the west long distance mobile connection was terribly lagging and the girls on the telegraph overheard. Son zemlyu choose a bilya strumka rich in rabiv ne beri dvoh is enough. The natsbats, some scum walked through the streets in the village with a machine gun at the huts, fired in their yards, almost the APUshniki did not shoot for it. They did not climb into empty houses of which there were a lot of people, but into residential ones where people left for a while and plundered. The local residents had at least some compassion for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they were forced orders and they treated the local population normally. The local militia did not even take the Natsiks prisoner.
        1. really
          really 16 June 2020 16: 37 New
          -3
          Well I do not believe your delirium
          1. Pathos
            Pathos 16 June 2020 16: 54 New
            +2
            Your right. The friends of the parents from Vinnitsa also did not believe that we had a civil war in the east, until the wounded Natsyks started coming to them from hospitals for aftercare. Only then did the duplex switch turn on for 3 months after the start of hostilities. They rang, begged, come, drop everything you have a war. And where to go here my house is my land, nobody will give me housing there. I was smashed by a house of 18 shells; it lay down in the apartment and flew into fragments. Well, they somehow survived, they restored it and I was lucky. Some came from rest in T-shirts and shorts and from the house there is one foundation.
          2. really
            really 16 June 2020 17: 08 New
            -1
            Now the picture of a man who suffered from the war, and I sympathize with you.
          3. Pathos
            Pathos 17 June 2020 01: 18 New
            0
            In Ukraine, the world turned upside down in 2014, many still cannot accept this, although everyone in their hearts and minds understands what happened but cannot perceive it. War is very scary do not believe anyone.
    3. Fishery
      Fishery 16 June 2020 19: 01 New
      0
      bad slaves from the miners))) on the wrong side picking the ground))))))))))))))) although if a person is willing to walk for months and wait for a salary, then maybe good ones.
      1. Pathos
        Pathos 17 June 2020 01: 38 New
        0
        Antonina so take a jackhammer and pick the ground from that side laughing And that would probably set the motion to scoop the globe from the north pole to the south through laughing And we call it the Antoninov movement laughing And we will posthumously give the order, and also an article in the newspaper about your heroic deed. laughing

        And do not touch the miners brothers am that holy angry Hero of the Soviet Union pilot cosmonaut Janibekov said it is easier to fly into space than to work in such conditions.

        Well, they couldn’t put the miners on their knees and they won’t.
      2. Fishery
        Fishery 17 June 2020 09: 38 New
        0
        let it remain a jackhammer for the miners brothers)))) as well as the order)) article and heroic deeds, someone must pick the ground until their robots replace
  • Russobel
    Russobel 16 June 2020 13: 54 New
    +1
    Keep
    Fascism must be crushed "in the cradle"
    dismissed the Nazis.
    why it is necessary to walk through the neighboring country with fire and sword. Given the huge number of Russian-Ukrainian families, bringing grief to them, killing relatives

    And no one is going to kill someone.
    Only those with a sword come from the sword and ...
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 14: 01 New
      -4
      There will not be battles in the open field as in the days of old, although the cities were burned, people were killed and completely stolen
      1. asv363
        asv363 16 June 2020 15: 31 New
        0
        Trenches (more precisely - trenches) opposite each other. Ukrovermahtt shoots at peace.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 June 2020 12: 14 New
    12
    And where are the guarantors of the Minsk agreements, Merkel and Macron? fellow
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 June 2020 12: 39 New
      12
      Quote: NEXUS
      And where are the guarantors of the Minsk agreements, Merkel and Macron? fellow

      They will merge, as they merged the day after the overthrow of the legitimate president, despite the fact that a day before that they had agreed with him and shook hands ...
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 16 June 2020 13: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        before that we agreed with him and shook hands ...

        Well, actually they didn’t shake Esmu’s hand.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 16 June 2020 17: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: CSKA
          Well, actually they didn’t shake Esmu’s hand.

          The representatives of Germany and France were probably stinging when they convinced Yanukovych to agree with the Maidan. And the next day, Steinmeier said what - I couldn’t, I couldn’t ...
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 18 June 2020 12: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            The representatives of Germany and France were probably stinging when they convinced Yanukovych to agree with the Maidan. The next day, Steinmeier said what - I couldn’t, I couldn’t ...

            Representatives, not Macron and Merkel.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 18 June 2020 13: 12 New
              0
              Quote: CSKA
              Representatives, not Macron and Merkel.
              I do not agree with you: these representatives were in the service of the sovereign and represented their countries and presidents, so they carried out a line of their countries. They are not private traders after all. As the well-known Lord Jude said there: in the service you can put your opinion ..., well, in the sense not to use
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 18 June 2020 15: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                I do not agree with you: these representatives were in the service of the sovereign and represented their countries and presidents, so they carried out a line of their countries. They are not private traders after all. As the well-known Lord Jude said there: in the service you can put your opinion ..., well, in the sense not to use

                I completely agree with you. I meant another, a specific person shook hands with a particular person.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 18 June 2020 16: 59 New
                  0
                  Quote: CSKA
                  I completely agree with you. I meant another, a specific person shook hands with a particular person.

                  That's the discussion.
                  When visiting Chechnya, the aforementioned lord didn’t go alone, and the guys guarded him with a “bat”, he almost kissed them in a hick, saying goodbye ... and when he reached the rostrum he “pissed” everyone who provided for his visit - he broadcast strictly according to the training manual: why did he come ...
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      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 June 2020 13: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: vvvaunavi
        Guarantor of the Budapest Memorandum Yeltsin, and so what?

        Well, to begin with, based on a criminal conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, in essence, not one of the presidents of most of the former Soviet republics can be legal. I remind you that the people then voted FOR the USSR, and not its collapse.
        And EBN all the more can not be at least something significant, given his "services" to his people and country.
    3. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 16 June 2020 16: 15 New
      -1
      And where are the guarantors of the Minsk agreements, Merkel and Macron?
      That's what happens to Merkel when she recalls about Ukraine
  • WILL
    WILL 16 June 2020 12: 14 New
    +6
    Fir-trees - Needles, Well Everything, just Trying to do Everything - to start the War (in the hot phase)! Really so ukrovoyaki believed in themselves? After all, they will lose the remnants of the Country!
    Green - Pea jester and Balabolka! Where are his campaign promises “I will stop the war in the Donbass”? Are there really naive dreams - what kind of people (especially in the situation with the Pandemic) will fit in?
    We are waiting for the Official Comment of the Russian Foreign Ministry, I hope everything will be extremely harsh! And where is Grandma Merkel and Macron?
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 16 June 2020 13: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: ANIMAL
      We are waiting for the Official Comment of the Russian Foreign Ministry, I hope everything will be extremely harsh! And where is Grandma Merkel and Macron?

      Just a comment from the Russian Foreign Ministry is not necessary. It is necessary to call the representatives of Germany and France on the carpet and demand comments from them. After all, it is Germany and France that demand from Russia fool implementation of the Minsk Agreements.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 16 June 2020 12: 15 New
    +8
    ...... the attitude of the Ukrainian authorities to the implementation of the Minsk agreements has changed dramatically, and if earlier they recognized the mandatory implementation, then recently Kiev has been evading this ......

    It looks like the "chubatye" are preparing for something.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 June 2020 12: 19 New
    +2
    eeee .... They have already been talking about the refusal of agreements for about 3 years every month ...
    Something reminiscent of the parable of the shepherdess ....
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 June 2020 12: 21 New
    +1
    A kind of Kiev may abandon Kiev, move to Lviv, and there psheks ... request
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 June 2020 13: 39 New
      +1
      here they will be delighted!
    2. KAV
      KAV 16 June 2020 13: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Tank Hard
      A kind of Kiev may abandon Kiev, move to Lviv, and there psheks ...

      Horseradish bald they refuse! They only know how to escalate and attack weakened areas from cover. They are cowards and provocateurs! Jackals from the cartoon Mowgli.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 June 2020 15: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: KAV
        Horseradish bald they refuse!

        Anything can happen. wink
        Quote: KAV
        Jackals from the cartoon Mowgli.

        And let them go west, and let them go west ... laughing
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 16 June 2020 12: 27 New
    -3
    Russia needs to organize reception points for foreign citizens on the Ukraine-LDNR border and accept wholesale and retail pay-s, for example, $ 50 t., Geyropeytsi $ 10 t., All sorts of other Arabs for $ 5 t. And after $ 50-80 million (relatively little money on a national scale) will come in the Independence quiet and grace. And they will remember about the Minsk agreements and much more.
    And to resell the purchased "goods" for 3 prices to interested governments. Or leave it to yourself as a source of revelations.
  • prior
    prior 16 June 2020 12: 30 New
    +2
    Stop chewing and chewing the Minsk Agreements gum.
    It's time to collect Yalta 2.0 and deprive Kiev of statehood.
    Slavs to Russia, Bandera to Poland, Hungarians to Hungary, Romanians to Romania, Bulgarians to Bulgaria ...
    And peace will come on the lands of the former Ukraine.
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 12: 38 New
      -9
      To do this, first, get off the couch.
      1. prior
        prior 16 June 2020 12: 51 New
        +2
        Yes, the Kremlin has very comfortable and soft sofas ....
        1. really
          really 16 June 2020 12: 54 New
          -11
          Is that you, Mr. Peskov?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 16 June 2020 13: 08 New
      -5
      Quote: prior
      Slavs to Russia, Bandera to Poland, Hungarians to Hungary, Romanians to Romania, Bulgarians to Bulgaria ...

      ... Tatars-to Tataria, Yakuts-to Yakutia, Evenks-to Evenkia, Chechens-to Chechnya .... I-For! good Ah, yes, Russians to Russia, Ukrainians to Ukraine, Belarusians to Belarus ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 16 June 2020 13: 46 New
        +4
        and all together - to the Russian Empire
        1. cniza
          cniza 16 June 2020 17: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and all together - to the Russian Empire


          That will be so at the next round ... hi
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 16 June 2020 18: 59 New
            -3
            Quote: cniza
            That will be so at the next round ...

            ... in a parallel universe and your inflamed imagination.
            1. cniza
              cniza 16 June 2020 20: 17 New
              +3
              We’ll live, but whether we will survive, and someone will see ..., study history, read classics and understand everything yourself ...
          2. novel66
            novel66 16 June 2020 19: 23 New
            +3
            so for it !!! drinks Vitya !! hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 16 June 2020 20: 18 New
              +2
              With great pleasure ! drinks and I believe in the garden bloom!
      2. KAV
        KAV 16 June 2020 13: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: revnagan
        ..tatars to Tataria, Yakuts to Yakutia, Evenks to Evenkia, Chechens to Chechnya .... I-For! Ah, yes, Russians to Russia, Ukrainians to Ukraine, Belarusians to Belarus ...

        Oh how! And have countries such as Tatarstan, Yakutia, Evenkia already been created and exist? Take the globe in your hands, take your eyes off the monitor and carefully study the geography. Perhaps it will help.
        1. Fishery
          Fishery 16 June 2020 19: 03 New
          -2
          and Th Tatars and Bashkirs say even the president is ..... ha ha
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 16 June 2020 19: 05 New
          -3
          Quote: KAV
          Oh how! And have countries such as Tatarstan, Yakutia, Evenkia already been created and exist?

          And why not create them? At the request, so to speak, of the workers (see above)? There is plenty of space on the territory of the Russian Federation. "All sisters, on earrings." That's when in Russia the Slavs will be able to stab pigs in the central square before Easter Grozny, go into mosques with shoes on, shoot from machine guns at weddings, when for the murder of the "first Russian at 16" they will not give a Hero of Russia, but at least 16 years of Kolyma, when the "brothers-wrestlers" will respectfully listen to the Russians, then the Slavs can also to Russia. In the meantime ... let it be better as I suggested.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 17 June 2020 21: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: revnagan
            That's when in Russia, the Slavs will be able to chop pigs on Easter in the central square of Grozny before Easter, go to shod mosques

            I’ll shoot such a Russian myself for hell am fool
    3. Andobor
      Andobor 16 June 2020 15: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: prior
      It's time to collect Yalta 2.0 and deprive Kiev of statehood.

      There are no problems to deprive, Russia has the strength to do this, but to feed Ukraine, which has nothing but debts, Russia is not able to, now the West somehow supports them, lets them work,
      and control over Ukraine will pass to Russia - all dogs are hung on it, of which there really are a lot,
      Ukraine must collapse, go bankrupt in the hands of the West - come full w, and then only pick it up.
      1. cniza
        cniza 16 June 2020 17: 51 New
        +3
        So this is one of their options, how to slow down Russia - to hang the devastated Ukraine on it.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 June 2020 12: 34 New
    +3
    So, what is next! Or, as always, do a simple statement of facts? What should people do, gentlemen, negotiators?
    And the rumors "about admission to the composition ...", so they are rumors, and not a specific decision or its preliminary declaration by the authorities!
  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 16 June 2020 12: 41 New
    +6
    “Kiev refuses Minsk obligations”: Gryzlov
    Was he in a coma? 5 years have passed, and immediately upon returning from Minsk, the offal said that he was not going to do anything, all that was signed bullshit.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 June 2020 12: 52 New
    +2
    The question arises - on the basis of what Kiev has been working for five years
    Based on the fact that they have been babysitting all these years for fear that Europe (Merkel and Macron) may not understand it that way. Although Europe in the person of these two and the United States, in addition, has been covering the Kiev regime all the years and pushing for an increase in confrontation. And now we ask ourselves questions that Ukraine has answered since the day the agreements were signed - they wanted to spit, we need time to strengthen the army, EU support, and then ...
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 16 June 2020 12: 57 New
    +1
    As if Ukraine, these agreements are interesting. But in general ... Gryzlov! I have not seen or heard for a long time. How's the Petrik filter doing?
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 49 New
      +2
      Judging by his face is not bad ...
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 16 June 2020 13: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Against this background, rumors about the adoption of the LPR and the DPR as part of Russia began to sound more and more often.

    The only true scenario: it is necessary to put an end to this matter, not the Minsk ellipsis. Only in this way the war will end.

    If they were needed as part of Russia, they would have been there for a long time. Crimea was needed, they took it within a week or two. Despite all sorts of sanctions. And in the Donbass there is no solution, because it turns out that the suitcase is without a handle. Only blah blah blah.
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 48 New
      +3
      We don’t know too much what is waiting and waiting stubbornly; one thing is that people die badly ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 June 2020 13: 07 New
    +1
    The representative of Russia in the contact group, Boris Gryzlov, noted that the attitude of the Ukrainian authorities to the implementation of the Minsk Agreements has changed dramatically and if earlier they recognized the mandatory implementation, then Kiev has been evading this recently.

    Merezhko said that the package of measures is advisory in nature and does not impose any obligations on Ukraine

    Gryzlov could also hint that the Russian Federation could change its position in the Donbass ..................
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 47 New
      +2
      It seems to me that without protocols I didn’t say that ...
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 17 June 2020 01: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Gryzlov could also hint that the Russian Federation could change its position in the Donbass ..................

      Wait until Kuzhugetovich will hint ...
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 13: 25 New
    +2
    That’s all, Russia needs to prepare for new sanctions for the non-fulfillment of the Minsk agreements .... And no one is interested in Europe and the West that Russia should not execute them, and those who loudly refuse to execute them ..... Paradox .. .... request
    Obviously for someone, the tupilka does not work waaaaasche !!!!!!
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 16 June 2020 13: 46 New
      -3
      And you didn’t ask yourself the question why there is a representative from the Russian Federation in the contact group, but not from Hitler’s or Micron’s, and this is the answer to the question that Russia, in the opinion of the West, is a participant in the conflict. Putin led himself to this and got it in full, but they say that he is a strategist, a chess player, but it turned out to be a dumb judoka
      1. ApJlekuHo
        ApJlekuHo 16 June 2020 14: 41 New
        0
        and this is the answer to the question that Russia, according to the West, is a participant in the conflict.

        If the EU and the hedgehogs with them officially recognize that this is a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, this conflict will end very quickly. This will essentially untie Russia's hands, but for now Minsk is working. Russia, Germany, France third-party observers of the conflict. Ukraine doesn’t climb into the Donbass anymore, as soon as it turns up, it loses its territory to Odessa.
        1. cniza
          cniza 16 June 2020 17: 43 New
          +4
          Not before, but including Odessa.
        2. Tatyana Sementsova
          Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 17: 52 New
          +3
          good good koment yes
      2. cniza
        cniza 16 June 2020 17: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: rotkiv04
        And you didn’t ask yourself the question why there is a representative from the Russian Federation in the contact group, but not from Hitler’s or Micron’s, and this is the answer to the question that Russia, in the opinion of the West, is a participant in the conflict. Putin led himself to this and got it in full, but they say that he is a strategist, a chess player, but it turned out to be a dumb judoka


        Do not rush, it is not yet evening ...
      3. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 17: 46 New
        +2
        Let me disagree with you about stupidity ..... If BB were a stupid man, we would have had problems like in Ukraine for a long time, and some who would have already tried to jump above the belt. The judoka, as you put it, after the previous "smart" figures at the head of Russia, raised Russia from its knees.
        As for the "agreements", I probably agree with you. It would be very nice to have in the composition, "comrades" from the non-spawning and Dartanyans. So that questions would be asked to all the "overseers", not only Russian .....
    2. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 45 New
      +3
      She works for them in the direction they need ...
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  • askort154
    askort154 16 June 2020 13: 43 New
    +1
    “Kiev refuses Minsk obligations”

    Kiev, originally wagged its tail, is now bolder - openly refused. And why ?
    Where does such courage come from? I have only one answer. The United States and NATO planned in April to hold the largest military exercises in 25 years along the entire border zone with Russia, from the Baltic to the Black Sea (including Georgia). At this time, Ukraine was supposed to launch an active offensive in Donbass, having previously arranged a provocation, in the hope that Russia would not dare to stand up for Donbass when NATO troops are concentrated on its borders, ready to support Ukraine from "another Russian aggression".
    But all plans were confused by COVID -19. Americans and Europeans are not up to Ukraine. The USA did not cancel the exercises, but postponed it to June-July, having partially carried out it only in the Baltic. 17 NATO + Georgia countries will participate in the exercises.
    It was during this period that statements about the return of not only Donbass, but even the Crimea, fell from Ukraine. Zelensky also blurted out about this once. Where does this "belligerence" come from? Definitely a pre-planned action together with the US and NATO. Therefore, they now urgently need to "bury" the Minsk agreements,
    so that they do not have any "brakes".
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      1. Looking for
        Looking for 16 June 2020 15: 12 New
        +4
        after such a comment to Ukraine, the user is blocked "forever" on any Ukrainian media resource. And in Russia, please-like "Ukrainian patriots" are allowed to exist and shit on VO.
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      3. cniza
        cniza 16 June 2020 17: 39 New
        +2
        What are you doing here, representative of the most lawfully executive country?
    2. ApJlekuHo
      ApJlekuHo 16 June 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      ready to support Ukraine from "another Russian aggression".

      And when did Ukraine manage to join NATO? It is doubtful that for the sake of Nenko the USA will start a war with Russia. This does not threaten their national security, as long as the Russians kill each other, they are calm.
    3. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      Definitely - a pre-planned action jointly with the USA and NATO. Therefore, they now urgently need to "bury" the Minsk agreements,
      so that they do not have any "brakes".


      Just for the sake of formality, and so MINSK did not bother them, gave time to rest ...
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 16 June 2020 14: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: really
    Are you sure of your arguments? Why do you think that in Ukraine fascism .

    Search the net for "signs of fascism" and you will see that almost all of them are suitable for TODAY'S Ukraine.
    -nationalism
    anti-communism
    the lordship of the elites
    anti-liberalism
    .. etc
    1. really
      really 16 June 2020 17: 21 New
      -1
      I know many countries in the territory of the former USSR where all this can be found.
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 16 June 2020 14: 11 New
    +1
    The question arises - on the basis of what Kiev has been working for five years

    It’s not yet clear who pulls yashu-for-nyuasha, how many passports are there left to issue? When will they be issued free of charge?
    The exchange of prisoners in all conflicts takes place without any agreement, so this is a so-so point. And for the rest:
    Shoot
    Not bred
    Referendum?
    Judging by the sutation today, Kiev under the agreements did not work, from the word in general! But to take part of Russia, LDNR in its official territories, this is without another war, no way. It is high time for Moscow to demand that conditions be met, and not to chew snot.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 16 June 2020 14: 26 New
    -3
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Quote: really
    Why do you think that fascism is in Ukraine, and why it is necessary to walk through a neighboring country with fire and sword. Given the huge

    But what kind of "fire and sword" is there ... 80% of the population will meet with flowers, and Lviv and Uzhgorod will be re-educated to their former owners ... tongue

    Monument in the Czech Republic, remember. How many years have passed, but everyone remembers. And they don’t meet with flowers. Putin has already done a lot with Ukraine. Do you still want war?
    1. ApJlekuHo
      ApJlekuHo 16 June 2020 14: 45 New
      0
      Putin has already done a lot with Ukraine. Do you still want war?

      That is, Putin heaped up, and the State Department who bought a country for a penny is normal.
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 16 June 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      The henchmen twisted themselves. A bad head does not give rest to hands.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 16 June 2020 14: 49 New
    +3
    It was originally a farce. Nothing was done (except for the exchange of all for all, and then with difficulty) and they are not going to do anything, and will not. They are waiting. They are waiting for a new owner, the past is not up to them now - the elections are on the nose.
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 17: 31 New
      +3
      And then far from all Ukraine gave.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 16 June 2020 15: 59 New
    -2
    Quote: ApJlekuHo
    Putin has already done a lot with Ukraine. Do you still want war?

    That is, Putin heaped up, and the State Department who bought a country for a penny is normal.

    Then why didn’t Putin buy Ukraine a penny like the Americans did? It works poorly, it turns out. Rest on our laurels deigns. Why does the Amer succeed, but the wrestler does not? Maybe you need to change the helmsman?
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 16 June 2020 19: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Sentry73
      Then why didn’t Putin buy Ukraine a penny like the Americans did?

      The Americans will pay more for any, they print money, and we don’t make sense to lift the price of Ukraine at the expense of our own people, but the game for reduction works here - whoever buys Ukraine, it will cost less anyway, and here’s the last word always will remain with Russia - we will buy Ukraine for nothing.
  • Ugnetenni
    Ugnetenni 16 June 2020 16: 28 New
    +1
    Well, they refused and refused .. Now these are their problems!
    The Minsk agreements in fact saved Kiev from capture, etc.
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 16 June 2020 19: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Ugnetenni
      saved Kiev from capture

      We would like to capture - captured, and there would be no Minsk agreements.
  • cniza
    cniza 16 June 2020 17: 29 New
    +2
    The question arises - on the basis of what Kiev has been working for five years


    For the sake of salary and business trips ... they did not do anything and never gathered, but they dragged on time ...
    1. Ugnetenni
      Ugnetenni 16 June 2020 20: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      The question arises - on the basis of what Kiev has been working for five years


      For the sake of salary and business trips ... they did not do anything and never gathered, but they dragged on time ...

      To the point Victor! They are temporary workers in Kiev .. And the "Minsk agreements" is just an extension of the agony .. And most importantly, the plunder of complete Ukraine! Black earth is taken out by bastards ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 16 June 2020 20: 25 New
        +3
        R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi Everything is much more regrettable there and will not cost one chernozem.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 16 June 2020 17: 54 New
    -1
    Since Ukraine does not want to enter into negotiations with the DLNR on cease-fires, Russia will begin negotiations with the DLNR on their entry into Russia. And to wipe out the military forces of Ukraine from the territory of the former Lugansk and Donetsk regions - it is enough to make a decision! In order to avoid destruction, they themselves will give gang!
  • 123456789
    123456789 16 June 2020 19: 12 New
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    As Voennoye Obozreniye previously reported, against this background, rumors about the acceptance of the LPR and DPR into Russia began to be heard more and more often.

    There is gossip that there will be no more rumors absolutely, There are rumors that gossip will be banned!
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    123456789 16 June 2020 19: 39 New
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    Quote: Andobor
    Ukraine must collapse, go bankrupt in the hands of the West - come full (fiasco), and then only pick it up.

    And this should become a strategy for the revival of the USSR 2.0
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    Quote: cniza
    one bad people die ..

    Every nation deserves its ruler
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    Zaurbek 18 June 2020 11: 35 New
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    Another question arises:
    The Minsk agreements stopped the advance of the DPR and did not allow everyone to finish off in the boilers. THOSE. when repeating, how then to negotiate? And it was, at least some way, a transparent path to Ukraine of the DPR and LPR ..... ie. now there is no way?