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Excited for defamation of a veteran criminal case against Navalny comment on the network

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Well-known Russian blogger and opposition politician Aleksey Navalny is accused of defaming WWII veteran Ignat Artemenko, who spoke in a video on the channel RT in support of constitutional amendments. In his comments on this material, the oppositionist made false and insulting statements about an elderly person. This, according to the RF IC, was the basis for initiating a criminal case.


This was reported by the press service of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in Moscow.

A video in which the veteran expressed his position on the amendments to the Constitution, Navalny posted on June 2 on his accounts and on social networks. In addition to Ignat Artemenko, Leo Bokeria, Vyacheslav Fetisov and Vasily Lanovoy starred in the plot. The blogger called these people "corrupt lackeys" and "people without conscience."

As the grandson of a veteran told the agency RIA News, after watching Navalny’s comment, Ignat Artemenko had a heart attack, which caused him to be called an ambulance.

The Investigative Committee believes that the statements of the opposition are slanderous, they discredit the honor and dignity of a respected person.

RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan said that the veteran had not received any payments for participating in the filming, so she advised his family to sue the slanderer.

If the court decides not in favor of Alexei Navalny, he faces a fine of up to a million rubles or compulsory work up to 240 hours.

Alexey Navalny can probably be called the champion of Russia in the number of fines, administrative arrests and other punishments of this kind. He even has two (!) conditional term. All this “baggage” does not seem to burden politics at all, but even helps maintain popularity in certain circles, creating an aura of “victim” around it. At the same time, many of his followers and supporters, responding to the provocative calls of their leader, can not so easily get off. Moreover, they certainly don’t talk about the second “condition” when matters reach the court.

The network responded to the initiation of the next criminal case against Navalny. Supporters of a man who calls himself an oppositionist said that “there is no crime in the actions of Alexei Navalny,” and that “it was not appropriate from the beginning to use veterans in public relations videos of a political orientation”. Opponents of Navalny believe that he should face a real term.
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    1. WILL
      WILL 16 June 2020 09: 53 New
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      Sorry, but this is what side to Navalny and the topic of the article? recourse
      According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?
      1. KAV
        KAV 16 June 2020 10: 17 New
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        Quote: ANIMAL
        According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

        I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail! Slander is a criminal offense! Moreover, with regard to a war veteran! And there is nothing to talk about with this Bulk!
        1. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 10: 19 New
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          Quote: KAV
          Quote: ANIMAL
          According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

          I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail! Slander is a criminal offense! Moreover, with regard to a war veteran! And there is nothing to talk about with this Bulk!

          I fully support you! hi
          1. KAV
            KAV 16 June 2020 11: 55 New
            +4
            Interesting amount of minusers! Looks like there is a sect in bulk.
            1. Sergst
              Sergst 16 June 2020 12: 07 New
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              There are more of us!
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 16 June 2020 13: 28 New
                +4
                Navalny is clearly a "pocket oppositionist". For example, he has no specific position on participating in the zeroing vote. Instead of offering to go and express his position when it may matter, he only avoids a clear decision. In my opinion, he obviously plays into the hands of officials.
                1. Peter Tverdokhlebov
                  Peter Tverdokhlebov 16 June 2020 14: 30 New
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                  He is the same western agent as Putin!
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 16 June 2020 17: 38 New
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                    He is the same western agent as Putin!

                    Can you justify?
                  2. Comrade Michael
                    Comrade Michael 16 June 2020 22: 36 New
                    -1
                    It works on a system. Her fallback.
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 16 June 2020 14: 36 New
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                  Quote: military_cat
                  Navalny is clearly a "pocket oppositionist". For example, he has no specific position on participating in the zeroing vote. Instead of offering to go and express his position when it may matter, he only avoids a clear decision. In my opinion, he obviously plays into the hands of officials.

                  Bulk - this is the de facto pop Gapon - a provocateur, fully controlled.
                  An important point - at one time Navalny really wanted to become a member of "Edra", but then everyone was not allowed to "eat Russia" so easily, so they had to take a different path ...
                3. DVR
                  DVR 16 June 2020 17: 37 New
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                  Navalny is clearly a "pocket oppositionist". For example, he has no specific position on participating in the zeroing vote. Instead of offering to go and express his position when it may matter, he only avoids a clear decision. In my opinion, he obviously plays into the hands of officials.

                  He just understands that "suggesting to go and express your position" will not matter, because behind him there is no one except courageous boys with powdered brains and the fifth column. Support is negligible, and with such an asset he can do nothing.
                  1. military_cat
                    military_cat 16 June 2020 18: 36 New
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                    Just when there is no support for him, he calls left and right. And when people had a noticeable rejection of zeroing, he merged very on time.
          2. seregin-s1
            seregin-s1 16 June 2020 14: 39 New
            +1
            I fully support you! Bulk place at the bucket!
        2. keeper03
          keeper03 16 June 2020 11: 24 New
          -1
          How long can we endure his antics ?! belay request soldier
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 June 2020 11: 29 New
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          Quote: KAV
          I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail!

          For his long tongue, Navalny had to be planted when he just jumped up like a pimple on his ass. Even then, he very often used slander and manipulation of information.
          1. KAV
            KAV 16 June 2020 11: 57 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            For his long tongue, Navalny had to be planted when he just jumped up like a pimple on his ass. Even then, he very often used slander and manipulation of information.

            Absolutely agree! But, now he is already encroaching on the holy! Everything has a limit. Start a business and plant! There, for sure, there is something!
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 16 June 2020 11: 51 New
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          ..... the oppositionist made false and insulting remarks about an elderly person. This, according to the RF IC, was the basis for initiating a criminal case .....
          .... A blogger called these people "corrupt lackeys" and "people without conscience" ....

          Maybe it's time for this figure, who often uses students and idlers in extras, to call to account. Or is he an "oppositionist imitator" and not subject to jurisdiction?
        5. Pilot
          Pilot 16 June 2020 12: 10 New
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          Quote: KAV
          Quote: ANIMAL
          According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

          I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail! Slander is a criminal offense! Moreover, with regard to a war veteran! And there is nothing to talk about with this Bulk!

          I support, but in fairness, for the sake of bulk, you need to plant those who used the elderly Veteran in their advertising. By virtue of his age, an elderly person can no longer adequately assess the situation in the country and simply use it for his own purposes monstrously! Dear Veteran has become hostage to the dirty fuss of liberals, central and ultra. negative
          1. artifact
            artifact 16 June 2020 12: 37 New
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            Quote: Pilot
            those who used the elderly Veteran in their commercials should be imprisoned

            and an elderly veteran can’t have his own opinion and from the bottom of his heart support political processes in the country of which he is a citizen?
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 16 June 2020 12: 44 New
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              Quote: artifact
              Quote: Pilot
              those who used the elderly Veteran in their commercials should be imprisoned

              and an elderly veteran can’t have his own opinion and from the bottom of his heart support political processes in the country of which he is a citizen?

              He may of course have his own opinion, but he certainly didn’t come to RT and they wrote an advertising speech to him. And this is a manipulation.
          2. DVR
            DVR 16 June 2020 12: 47 New
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            By virtue of his age, an elderly person can no longer adequately assess the situation in the country and use it for his own purposes is simply monstrous!

            How did you determine that he "can no longer adequately assess the situation in the country"?
            Or do you think all the elderly are so inadequate that they should not be given the floor and shown on TV?
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 16 June 2020 13: 10 New
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              Now, when you live to see your elderly parents, then you will find out what senile dementia is.
              1. DVR
                DVR 16 June 2020 15: 06 New
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                Now, when you live to see your elderly parents, then you will find out what senile dementia is.

                This is not the answer to the question. With me, several elderly relatives had already left, some were sane until the last second, some were not. “How old”, in your opinion, does senile dementia begin? Are you absolutely sure this veteran has senile dementia? After all, if this is not so, then it turns out that you insult him in the same way, calling him sick.
          3. mvg
            mvg 16 June 2020 13: 31 New
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            who used the elderly Veteran in their commercials

            Together with "crap one's pants" and figuratively and really Tereshkova and a hedgehog with them. Who else doubts the adoption of the amendments?
            1. DVR
              DVR 16 June 2020 17: 47 New
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              Who else doubts the adoption of the amendments?

              No one doubts the amendments should be based on the results of the free will of the people.
              "Crap one's pants" and figuratively and really Tereshkova and a hedgehog with them.

              You don’t even have a fingernail, and for the Homeland, in addition to the kats, you really hardly did anything.
              1. mvg
                mvg 16 June 2020 18: 00 New
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                for the homeland, in addition to the kakashek, it’s hardly likely that they

                I at least bring taxes to the treasury of the Russian Federation, and my workers brought them, and Madame spent folk money (a very large pile), the task failed (single flight), and now I receive a salary and pension from my money. So who brought more benefits to the homeland?
                And for my poop, don’t worry, I buried a septic tank here just recently, I’m not very dry.
                PS: Free-spoken .... fined for the rest.
          4. CSKA
            CSKA 16 June 2020 14: 16 New
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            Quote: Pilot
            By virtue of his age, an elderly person can no longer adequately assess the situation in the country and use it for his own purposes is simply monstrous!

            Well, of course. He’s an old fool, you know better. You then all know and better than anyone. And at least with your brain you might think that a person, albeit old, has no insanity and has his own vision of the situation in the country?
          5. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 16 June 2020 14: 38 New
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            Quote: Pilot
            I support, but in fairness, along with bulk you need to plant those who used the elderly Veteran in their advertising.

            and bothering doctors, professors and artists who starred in the video ... they are all inadequate in your opinion, right? and! and of course Trishkov! #sarcasm
            or maybe you along with Navalny in this matter is better to run? wagon. you won a veteran too inadequate recorded. or is it a typo?
        6. businessv
          businessv 16 June 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: KAV
          I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail!
          A similar opinion! And for greater effect, add to the list everyone who supported this "action" in the networks - it will be much more fun for them together there, and for us it will be calmer!
        7. Ugnetenni
          Ugnetenni 16 June 2020 16: 49 New
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          Quote: KAV
          I have an opinion - to judge Navalny and put him in jail! Slander is a criminal offense! Moreover, with regard to a war veteran! And there is nothing to talk about with this Bulk!

          There is no need to make a martyr out of him ... Just deprive him of his citizenship and send him out of the country without the right to return .. They will sing, sing, and shut up .. Only so!
        8. Vipirozhnikow
          Vipirozhnikow 16 June 2020 20: 58 New
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          Corruption too. However, I don’t see that they squeezed really large corrupt officials. So - those who become objectionable.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 16 June 2020 10: 29 New
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        Quote: ANIMAL
        Sorry, but this is what side to Navalny and the topic of the article? recourse
        According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

        And the fact that Navalny’s case is crap is another PR for him.
        But the real thing is the mess of officials, by the way, and in relation to pensioners.
        In late March, the governor of the Pskov region Mikhail Vedernikov, by his decree, recommended that people over 65 do not leave their homes so as not to be at risk of coronavirus infection. 66-year-old Pskov Alexander Filatov cannot fulfill the governor’s recommendation - the FSB investigator has already called him three times for interrogations in a criminal case on extremist appeals on the Internet (part 2 of article 280 of the Criminal Code)
        1. KCA
          KCA 16 June 2020 10: 34 New
          +3
          Recommendations are not a ban, what prevents Grandpa Filatov from going to the store? But what he wrote on the Internet, another question
        2. WILL
          WILL 16 June 2020 10: 38 New
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          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Sorry, but this is what side to Navalny and the topic of the article? recourse
          According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

          And the fact that Navalny’s case is crap,

          Perhaps ... I think differently! Bulk - Liar, Slanderer and just Ushlepok! The court will figure it out!
          And the fact that your comment is - FLOOD, there can be no two opinions!
          1. Ugnetenni
            Ugnetenni 16 June 2020 16: 57 New
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            Quote: ANIMAL
            Bulk - Liar, Slanderer and just Ushlepok! The court will figure it out!

            I join .. To get out of the country to the edreny give a damn ... Let the US support the protests, if such a "revolutionary" ..
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 16 June 2020 10: 43 New
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          Quote: RUSS
          Alexander Filatov cannot comply with the recommendation of the governor - the FSB investigator has already called him three times for interrogations in a criminal case on extremist appeals on the Internet

          A boy, 8 years old, starting to ferment in a small way, wrote STALIN in the snow ..... the boy’s father was given a term under article 58! And you say thrice summoned for interrogation ... real fiends !!!!
        4. businessv
          businessv 16 June 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: RUSS
          And the fact that Navalny’s case is crap is another PR for him.
          Judging by the minuses, colleague, this is far from the case! This muddy personality has long been causing not only irritation, but also disgust among so many of our citizens! And it is completely incomprehensible how there can be two conditional terms? Only if one is finished, and this pimple spins into the second, but after all, according to the canons of jurisprudence, this is a relapse, which means that it is necessary to give not a conditional, but a real term, and with aggravating ones. Everyone has been talking about officials for a long time and everything is clear, as is your attitude to them, but the article is about another, so do not spoil your karma! wink hi
          1. DVR
            DVR 16 June 2020 13: 00 New
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            Judging by the minuses, colleague, this is far from the case!

            I do not support your colleague at all, as do you. But the number of cons here is certainly not an indicator. It happens that you write "2 * 2 = 4", and you snatch out a dozen or so three or four minuses (fortunately for me it doesn't matter).
            1. snake
              snake 16 June 2020 13: 35 New
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              Quote: DVR
              It happens that you write "2 * 2 = 4", and you will snatch out a dozen or so minuses

              Do not lie. I looked through all your comments (at the time of the comment - 223), and nowhere did I find you to write "2 * 2 = 4", and then grabbed "ten three or four" minuses.
              Well, the right word, do not you think that your personal opinion is the same as 2x2 = 4?
              1. DVR
                DVR 16 June 2020 14: 58 New
                +1
                Do not lie. I looked through all your comments (at the time of the comment - 223), and nowhere did I find you to write "2 * 2 = 4", and then grabbed "ten three or four" minuses.


                Hello, Sergey. It seems like they were on "you" from your submission, and now again on "you". We'll flood here now, but oh well.
                I completely disagree with you. My comments, although often quite long, come out, but in terms of content they are most often simple and unambiguous as 2 * 2. This is confirmed by the minus, because they almost never answer, do not discuss, which means that they understood and expressed their attitude (-). If people had something incomprehensible in my comments, they could debate, give counter-arguments. For example, my comment on June 3, 2020 21:08 is very simple and understandable - 12 minuses and not a single counterargument. Or June 15, 20:05 very short and simple as 2 * 2 comments, half a line in total - 13 minuses and not a single counterargument.
                But I'm not only about myself, others often write about twice two and get dozens of minuses. I think with this you will not argue. You will need examples, I will give.

                PS: Thank you for such attention to my humble person wink
              2. DVR
                DVR 16 June 2020 17: 22 New
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                Do not lie. I looked through all your comments (at the time of the comment - 223), and nowhere did I find you to write "2 * 2 = 4", and then grabbed "ten three or four" minuses.

                And what is not clear to you in my comment of June 14, 2020 14:37? I said the obvious thing, even my opponent agreed with me. 30 minuses (for now) and not a single counterargument.
                So it turns out you're lying, Sergey.
                1. snake
                  snake 16 June 2020 19: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DVR
                  And what is not clear to you in my comment of June 14, 2020 14:37?

                  But I don’t understand what if you think so:
                  Quote: DVR
                  Do you want the presence of Western curators (and personnel agents of special services), who then had a decisive influence on our elites and on the course of political processes in the country, be reflected in official sources?

                  how then did you find out about the presence of Western curators? But this is not about curators. It's about your attempts to monopolize the truth ™ and equate your opinion with mathematical truth.
                  After all, it is possible to argue for a very long time about whether there were curators, how many there were, how strong influence they had - neither you nor I have access to genuine information. Unlike 2x2 = 4, which is checked "on the knee".
                  Mashkov, who has a villa in the USA, has a daughter and grandchildren; Isinbayeva, who lives in Monaco ... These are members of the Constitutional Amendment Commission. Who are they, what do you think? Western curators, agents, lobbyists, or will you come up with your own version? And Putin is Yeltsin’s protege. Maybe he ... too, the curators advised? See how everything is ambiguous in your equation.
                  In short - you have to be more modest, more modest ...
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 16 June 2020 20: 51 New
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                    how then did you find out about the presence of Western curators? But this is not about curators. It's about your attempts to monopolize the truth ™ and equate your opinion with mathematical truth.
                    After all, one can argue for a very long time about whether there were curators, how many there were, how much influence they had, neither you nor I have access to genuine information.

                    A reliable factual report on the activities of the US curators in Russia in the 90s, a carriage and many small carts. The main enemy in the face of the USSR was defeated, therefore they were not strongly encrypted. And the "partners" themselves have confessed a lot. We can talk about this and the circumstances of Yeltsin's choice of Putin separately, because the amount of materials available in the public domain is huge. You can write a commentary the size of a book.
                    Mashkov, who has a villa in the USA, has a daughter and grandchildren; Isinbayeva, who lives in Monaco

                    I am not interested in real estate of these persons and do not like to look into someone else's pocket. They did not discredit themselves in any way, achieved outstanding results in their fields of activity, unlike me or you, and showed their attitude towards the country, bringing great benefits to it. They earned their acquired honest hard work. They have every right to live and acquire real estate wherever they like. I do not feel envy, I can only be glad for them.
                    See how everything is ambiguous in your equation.

                    Everything is clear for those who are interested in the issue. I, too, until 2011-2012 was an ardent anti-Putin, I remember some petitions signed against him. And then he decided nevertheless to figure out more specifically what really happened in the 90s, and why everything is so.
                    In short - you have to be more modest, more modest ...

                    Modesty ... teach someone else.
                    1. snake
                      snake 16 June 2020 20: 59 New
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                      Quote: DVR
                      They have every right to live and acquire real estate wherever they like.

                      But just let them not teach patriotism later. And their little hands do not pull their constitution.
                      1. SOF
                        SOF 17 June 2020 10: 54 New
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                        Quote: serpent
                        And the little hands do not pull their constitution

                        ... sorry .... I will intervene in your delicate conversation ....... with the question: ..... what, in fact, is wrong in the amendments ...... except for "zeroing" ... .... what (against what) are you fighting for? wink ....
                      2. snake
                        snake 17 June 2020 11: 23 New
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                        In a nutshell you can’t sign it ... If very briefly ...
                        I do not like: the suddenness of this vote, the "package" of amendments, the senselessness of some changes (like a family is a man and a woman (how could families be created without this?)), Religion is being pushed into the constitution in the 21st century, etc. I also don’t like the fact that VVP used to say one thing, but now something else. Plus the conversations between Peskov and Putin that, they say, "the majority is for the amendments." Well, the "zeroing", for the sake of which all this was started, should not be discounted either.
                      3. SOF
                        SOF 18 June 2020 11: 38 New
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                        Quote: serpent
                        In a nutshell you will not sign

                        ... but where is the surprise? .... from April to July they crawled, giving all those who disagree (including a huge cloud of "friends" of the country because of the cordon) a huge handicap of time to tune the mass consciousness to the desired they are okay ..... which, by the way, is confirmed, by the way, the almost three-month seething in the network ....... especially touches the presence of a zealous biting of power .... suddenly .... harmless, humorous publics, suggestive of bad thoughts ........
                        .... with a "package" - yes, it was possible to do it differently (at the beginning I thought that it would be so), but there is what is ..... however, nothing bad will happen, because ... .....:
                        ..... "a man and a woman" ..... yes they did without it before, but enough of a dofiga, lately, there have been creeping movements towards the legitimization of "numbered parents", and given the fact that what is not forbidden - allowed ... in general - sew to them, because you do not need ...
                        .... well, they stuffed religion into the constitution, as one and postulates ...... well ..... from this, someone did badly ....? ..... the beginning to grind on one’s teeth. ..... or what? ..... on the other hand, I can say with full confidence that someone (and there are not a few of them) ..... did pretty good ..... what’s good one and the same Is it really bad for others? .....
                        ...... but what about the ban on officials on dual citizenship and accounts abroad? ......
                        ...... but what about the consolidation in the constitution of the inviolability of state territory ...?
                        ...... and the thesis on the protection of historical truth .... when, on the basis of the constitution, it will be possible to unscrew the eggs of any pro-Western fall? .....
                        .............. in short ..... they have more good than bad ....... and obstruct everything at once just because of "zeroing"? ... ...... well, it will be reset ..... well, okay ....... well, if Putin and Peskov are lying, about the majority for amendments, then ...... why worry so much. ......- ...... at least the amendments will not be accepted, and if not, then ... but they simply will not choose the reset, if he even decides to go there ...
                        .... especially since, reading all this and hearing it from all near-opposition irons, I am simply sure ---- it is not destiny for him to be elected again ..... after all, all of Russia is against .... right? ... ... why then reflect, and even so "loudly" .......
                        .... ZY ..... I hope you will not convince me, now, in the fact that everything is "drawn" in the elections ..... this is in the 21st century (as I was reminded myself) , when at each election commission there is a heap of webcams, and there are more observers from everyone who doesn't like something than the members of the commissions themselves ................ and from dawn (from start), before sunset (before counting and sealing) ...
                      4. snake
                        snake 18 June 2020 12: 52 New
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                        Quote: SOF
                        ... where is the suddenness? .... crawled from April to July

                        This is "thank you" covidle.
                        Quote: SOF
                        .... with "batch" - yes, it was possible to do it differently (I thought at the beginning that it would be so), but there is what is ...

                        No, that won't work. You may accept "is what is", but I would like a more reasonable amendment of the constitution.
                        Quote: SOF
                        .... "a man and a woman" ..... yes they did without it before, but enough of a dofiga, recently, there have been creeping movements towards the legitimization of "numbered parents"

                        There is a family code for this, if such a problem arose.
                        Quote: SOF
                        .... well, they stuffed religion into the constitution, as one and postulates ...... well, ..... from this, someone did badly ....?

                        Russia is a secular country. There are many faiths, each of them has a separate god.
                        Quote: SOF
                        ..... on the other hand, I can say with full certainty that someone (and there are not a few of them) ..... did pretty good ..... what is good with one and parallel to the other is really bad? .... .

                        Did it pretty well? Have they started to believe more truly? Or do they think that since they write about God in the constitution, will this be proof of his existence?
                        Quote: SOF
                        ...... but what about the ban on officials on dual citizenship and accounts abroad? ......

                        But here all the officials live on one salary. They were just lucky with their relatives - wives, children, mothers, fathers, mother-in-law - talented businessmen. Will the ban be extended to relatives? No? What is the conversation then?
                        Quote: SOF
                        ...... but what about the consolidation in the constitution of the inviolability of state territory ...?

                        Well, yes, well, yes ... With a "small" exception in the form of: delimitation, demarcation and redemarcation.
                        Quote: SOF
                        ..... and the thesis on the protection of historical truth .... when, on the basis of the constitution, it will be possible to unscrew the eggs of any pro-Western fall? .....

                        "Pravda", and even more so "historical" each has its own. One fig the Poles have their own "truth", the Germans have their own, the United States has its own, and so on. What kind of truth can we talk about, since our, Russian "filmmakers" Mikhalkov and Bondarchuk in historical films put on the truth with the device?
                        Quote: SOF
                        .............. in short ..... do they have more good than bad ....... and obstruct everything at once just because of "zeroing"?

                        Yeah. That is, is there a bad amendment? Why do I need a barrel of honey in half with manure?
                        Why is this "commission on amendments" consisting of the "best" people of the country not proposing normal amendments with separate (at least for clusters) voting?
                        Quote: SOF
                        I hope you will not convince me, now, in the fact that in the elections everyone is "drawing" ..... this is in the 21st century

                        At the "elections" themselves, they may not "paint" (and so ... paint on), but in the CEC behind the "closed doors" what is happening - God knows.
      3. businessv
        businessv 16 June 2020 19: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: DVR
        (good for me it does not matter).

        As for me smile
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 16 June 2020 12: 46 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    Sorry, but this is what side to Navalny and the topic of the article?
    According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

    There is no opinion, there is a law. According to Soviet laws in force during the Great Patriotic War, the actions of a "respected veteran" fall under Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, namely
    paragraph 1- Treason to the Motherland
    paragraph 4-assistance to the bourgeoisie
    paragraph 10 - propaganda and agitation against the Soviet regime
    paragraph 11 - organizational activities for the preparation of counter-revolutionary crimes.
    Without substituting a court for myself, I’ll nevertheless suppose that the Soviet court would interpret the corresponding crimes with the help of the highest degree of social protection — execution with confiscation of property.
    However, I am not worried about the actions of the "veteran" - God be his judge. In the end, a huge number of Soviet citizens proudly performed under the tricolor, faithfully serving the Fuehrer of the German nation and fighting for the bright ideals of the market against the damned Bolsheviks. One more, one less.
    The problem is different. The post-Soviet mafia-oligarchic regime existing in the Russian Federation is doing literally everything possible to transfer power to Navalny after being "zeroed".
    But this is really a problem. For traitors and thieves from among former members of the CPSU are not bad, but people professing Navalny’s program are even worse. Not the people themselves, of course, but their program. And now what to do with it is not yet clear.
    1. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 17: 59 New
      -2
      There is no opinion, there is a law. According to Soviet laws in force during the Great Patriotic War, the actions of the "respected veteran" fall under Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR

      A respected veteran has not yet fallen into insanity and understands perfectly well that he lives in Russia today. I doubt you, you write as if you were living in the USSR during the Second World War. Better stay there.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 16 June 2020 21: 44 New
        -2
        Quote: DVR
        Dear veteran has not yet fallen into senility and understands perfectly well that he lives in Russia today

        So "respected veteran" has nothing to do with either the Second World War or the USSR. That's a feint with your ears. Well then, he just stops being a "respected veteran."
        In fact, the millionaire beaver Simonyan and her lads did not use citizen Artemenko at all as a citizen of the Russian Federation with their invaluable opinion about the need to zero out citizen Putin. They used him as a "veteran of the Great Patriotic War", and he performed in a uniform with Soviet orders. It was in this capacity that he expressed his opinion. And those indignant at his "insult" pedal the topic - "they offended a veteran," and not a citizen of the Russian Federation.
        Well, since he acts as a veteran of victory Of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics , then his actions should be judged in accordance with the norms and laws of the USSR. Otherwise, as a veteran, he cannot speak in any way.
        According to the laws of the USSR, citizen Artemenko with his "speech" is subject to liability in accordance with the norms of Article 58, paragraph 1,4,10,11.
        P / S. As for the norms of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, then pure article 33 is aiding, regarding a crime under Article 278, forcibly seizing power contrary to the norms of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. DVR
          DVR 16 June 2020 22: 02 New
          +1
          So "respected veteran" has nothing to do with either the Second World War or the USSR. That's a feint with your ears.

          You said that. I said that the veteran has not yet fallen into senility and understands perfectly well that he lives in Russia today. This does not mean that he has nothing to do with either the Second World War or the USSR. Why do you say so, I do not understand.
          They used citizen Artemenko not at all as a citizen of the Russian Federation with their invaluable opinion about the need to zero out citizen Putin. They used him as a "veteran of the Great Patriotic War", and he performed in a uniform with Soviet orders.

          I absolutely do not understand you. You say that a citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be a veteran of the Second World War and vice versa? Those. became a citizen of the Russian Federation - ceased to be a veteran, became a veteran - lost Russian citizenship. So does it work in your head?
          Well, since he acts as a veteran of the victory of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, then his actions should be judged in accordance with the norms and laws of the USSR. Otherwise, as a veteran, he cannot speak in any way.

          Citizens of the Russian Federation should be judged by the laws of a non-existent country ??
          It is worthy to go down in the history of law.
          Here my logic is powerless, here other specialists should understand, I'm sorry.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 16 June 2020 23: 10 New
            -1
            Quote: DVR
            You said that. I said that the veteran has not yet fallen into senility and understands perfectly well that he lives in Russia today. This does not mean that he has nothing to do with either the Second World War or the USSR. Why do you say so, I do not understand.

            I explained in sufficient detail. If you want to demonstrate misunderstanding. This is your business. This does not change the essence of the issue. However, perhaps you really do not understand two times. Especially for you I explain the third and last time.
            1) He fell into insanity or not, we do not know. Here you just conjecture and fantasize. I did not write about it and did not comment.
            2) If this citizen would come out and say, I am a citizen of Artemenko, I wish that our honorable Elbasy and the fabulous nanogeny would be reset 500 times, then his actions would be regulated by Article 33 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. But this could not have happened since in this capacity, Count Artemenko was not interesting to anyone. He was dragged out not as a citizen, but as a “WWII veteran”. This is a reference precisely to the image of the Soviet victory in which the oligarchic-mafia Russian Federation is insolently parasitic. Well, in this case, if he is positioned as a "veteran", then his actions should be assessed on the basis of Soviet, not demo-Russian norms.
            Quote: DVR
            You say that a citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be a veteran of the Second World War and vice versa? Those. became a citizen of the Russian Federation - ceased to be a veteran, became a veteran - lost Russian citizenship.

            Kindergarten. Of course, a citizen of the Russian Federation can be a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, but the veteran of the Great Patriotic War cannot support the oligarchic-bourgeois regime in the Russian Federation. He fought under the Red Flag. They fought with the Vlasov tricolor on the other side. No, of course, a person can change and go to another front line, but then he loses the right to position himself as a Soviet veteran, wear awards, etc. Do not wear someone else's military uniform
            I would honestly say that I, the Vlasovite Arkhipenko, wholeheartedly support former CPSU member Putin. That would be honest. But the trouble is, such a video would not suit Bobony Simonyan.
            Quote: DVR

            Citizens of the Russian Federation should be judged by the laws of a non-existent country ??
            It is worthy to go down in the history of law.

            No need to play the fool Judge in the sense of evaluating his act, and not in the sense of judging in the Russian Federation according to the laws of the USSR. In the USSR, the act of this "veteran" would be appreciated. An article about treason to the Motherland. By the way, the fabulous zero would have gone exactly the same way.
            1. DVR
              DVR 17 June 2020 00: 02 New
              +2
              Have fun, it rarely happens in VO so I laugh wink
              paragraph 1- Treason to the Motherland
              paragraph 4-assistance to the bourgeoisie
              paragraph 10 - propaganda and agitation against the Soviet regime
              paragraph 11 - organizational activities for the preparation of counter-revolutionary crimes.

              "58-4. Providing in any way assistance to that part of the international bourgeoisie which, not recognizing the equality of the communist system, which is replacing the capitalist system, seeks to overthrow it, as well as social groups that are under the influence or directly organized by this bourgeoisie and organizations in the implementation of activities hostile against the USSR, entails ... "
              Remember, buying food and clothing, etc., using housing and communal services, working and paying taxes and doing a lot of other things, you violate Section 4 of Art. 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. All income goes to the bourgeoisie, a substantial part is international. Do not do all this, be consistent.
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 17 June 2020 03: 08 New
                -2
                Quote: DVR
                as well as social groups and organizations under the influence or directly organized by this bourgeoisie in carrying out activities hostile to the USSR

                True, this is precisely the second part of the article about the current government in the Russian Federation.
                Quote: DVR
                Remember, buying food and clothing, etc., using housing and communal services, working and paying taxes and doing a lot of other things, you violate Section 4 of Art. 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. All income goes to the bourgeoisie, a substantial part is international. Do not do all this, be consistent.

                Wrong. Neither you (even if you are an anti-Soviet), nor Mr. Navalny (a convinced anti-Soviet), and even more so I (a communist) cannot fall under the action of 58 paragraph 4. For even if you and Navalny are taken, you do not live and did not live at the time when it was active, do not pretend to be WWII veterans, and now there is no USSR. All the more absurd to talk about buying food and clothing - buying foreign goods and clothes even in 1945 year you did not fall under 58 p 4 in any way. But citizen Artemenko, who was positioned as a "veteran", that is, a serviceman who was directly acting in 1945 and who is now actively contributing to the establishment of the anti-Soviet regime, she directly concerns.
                P / S. However, there is a question. I confess, I’m guilty, for a second I believed the regime’s media, and they claimed that Arkhipenko expressed his attitude to the amendments, of course this was a lie. In fact, in the source code, he simply read out a couple of phrases from the preamble to the new constitution. Which, of course, is not tantamount to supporting zeroing of Mr. Putin. Most likely, the unfortunate old man was used blindly. Then it reduces his guilt, but extremely increases the guilt of PR specialists from RT.
  • snake
    snake 16 June 2020 12: 53 New
    +6
    Quote: ANIMAL
    According to Veteran - Is there an Opinion?

    Modern power unscrupulously exploits the victory of the Soviet people in their interests. Not surprisingly, they lured the veteran into his video. For a deceived veteran - it's a shame. And all the others in this advertisement of voting are naturally lackeys and traitors.
    The pro-government propagandists thought that under cover of a veteran, they would avoid criticism for their fawning. But it didn’t burn out among unprincipled creators.
    And Navalny only had to "put the veteran out of brackets", and only then evaluate this cohort of "patriots".
    1. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 18: 07 New
      -1
      And all the others in this advertisement of voting are naturally lackeys and traitors.

      All the others in this ad are people who have really done a lot for Russia. They are self-sufficient and wealthy, and have achieved all honest honest painstaking work. They don’t need to make commercials for a dime, but they did so on their own beliefs. These people are the pride of the country. And who are you to call them lackeys and traitors? With the same success, I can call you a lackey and a traitor.
      1. snake
        snake 16 June 2020 19: 14 New
        -2
        Authority is earned over the years, and is lost overnight.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_лиц,_лишённых_звания_Героя_Советского_Союза
        Quote: DVR
        With the same success, I can call you a lackey and a traitor.

        You can - call. I wish you success in this!
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 16 June 2020 09: 58 New
    -11
    Quote: RUSS
    The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.

    Russia was divided into "boyars" and "slaves", and all the muck of the situevins is that the slaves want to become boyars, but there is no worse master in the world than the former slave.
    "From dirt to Kings".
    1. Vend
      Vend 16 June 2020 10: 15 New
      10
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: RUSS
      The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.

      Russia was divided into "boyars" and "slaves", and all the muck of the situevins is that the slaves want to become boyars, but there is no worse master in the world than the former slave.
      "From dirt to Kings".

      Here Bulk and tears from the dirt to riches, BUT you can get out of the mud, but the dirt from the inside never.
      1. letinant
        letinant 16 June 2020 10: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: Malyuta
        Quote: RUSS
        The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.

        Russia was divided into "boyars" and "slaves", and all the muck of the situevins is that the slaves want to become boyars, but there is no worse master in the world than the former slave.
        "From dirt to Kings".

        Here Bulk and tears from the dirt to riches, BUT you can get out of the mud, but the dirt from the inside never.

        I think that he is not torn anywhere. Sins do not give. But to raise the money, that's yeah.
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 16 June 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          Quote: letinant
          I think that he is not torn anywhere. Sins do not give. But to raise the money, that's yeah.

          So until the age of 24, he only raises money. And then ... It is possible that it will follow the Germans.
          1. letinant
            letinant 16 June 2020 13: 44 New
            -1
            So until the age of 24, he only raises money. And then ... It is possible that it will follow the Germans.
            I assume that with Lesik it is not so simple. Sisyan specifically cover.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 16 June 2020 14: 56 New
              0
              PR yes, but why cover? he accumulates marginals around him. everything is under supervision. the fact that the path to the presidency is tightly closed, so why should he go there. he already fights with ryzhym "excellent" lol
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  • viktorR
    viktorR 16 June 2020 10: 41 New
    +2
    Well, judging even by your comment, the boy really violated traffic rules. And rightly incurred responsibility (or rather, his parents).
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 11: 06 New
    +2
    Is this a relative of Navalny? request
  • pv1005
    pv1005 16 June 2020 11: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: RUSS
    The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.
    The ex-official of the Ministry of Education of the Murmansk region, who shot down a child at the crossroads, sued his family 120 thousand rubles. The incident occurred in 2018, however, the parties met in court a year later, and the lawsuit is still far from over.

    According to KP.ru, a former employee of the Ministry of Education, who also oversaw the safety of children on the roads, knocked down a 12-year-old boy when he rode a bicycle from an dirt road to an asphalt road. The boy received a jaw fracture and a concussion, and also lost several teeth. There were scratches on the official’s car; the mirror turned out to be broken.
    The cyclist's parents decided not to sue, focusing on treating the child. As a result, the motorist herself sued them and demanded compensation for damage. The court took her side, not accepting the results of the examination provided by the victim's family. A private company conducted the examination, however, representatives of the downed child and his family believe that it is the most accurate.

    Already here with this family climbed. Zadolbali already. am
  • DVR
    DVR 16 June 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.

    How to give drink, Putin is to blame angry
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 09: 49 New
    +5
    No fines. 240 hours of work! let the streets sweep. And continue to practice. As he dismissed the "broom", so the broom in hand wassat
    1. Masha
      Masha 16 June 2020 10: 07 New
      +2
      Why "or", "or" ...
      Let everything together be a ruble and a deed
      Two in one, so to speak ...
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 10: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Masha
        Why "or", "or" ...

        The law is, alas. Two punishments are not provided for the same!
        1. Masha
          Masha 16 June 2020 11: 44 New
          0
          The law is, alas. Two punishments are not provided for the same!

          So one more act to dig up on him! wink
          Business then ....
    2. KCA
      KCA 16 June 2020 10: 35 New
      +1
      Better to build, what if there a new Shurik moonlighting in the summer?
    3. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 11: 08 New
      +2
      But what about the calls for a change of power on the famous radio? Maybe it’s better not to "sweep" and cuts and knocks !!!! ??? angry
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 June 2020 09: 52 New
    -14
    And the fact that the veterans use in dirty games, for it will bring a case?
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 16 June 2020 09: 57 New
      21
      The civic position of people is it already a dirty business? Or that we have one single opinion true, and those who do not like garbage, padded jackets and lackeys?
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 16 June 2020 10: 20 New
        -4
        Don’t tell tales about the position. With our power at children's events only edro flags flash
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 16 June 2020 10: 50 New
          +6
          Poke your wife or reflection in the mirror.
          All your left-wing liberals are mediocre whiners and essentially fascists. The Gulag with your only true opinion will be let you go to power, and the rest will be spent and imprisoned.
          The neighboring outskirts are clearly visible.
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 32 New
            +2
            Are the Nazis talking? Are you talking about those who are sitting at expensive big tables and accepting anti-people’s laws for people's money? Or don’t you see it? Or maybe you're one of those sitting at these tables?
          2. Varyag71
            Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 33 New
            -1
            GULAG is needed for people like you who support anti-people power
            1. Kart
              Kart 16 June 2020 12: 32 New
              +5
              Well, you yourself confirm what he said
              Quote: Varyag71
              Let the GULAG with your only true opinion be let you go to power

              And you answered him
              Quote: Varyag71
              GULAG is needed for people like you

              No no no! Forest comrades, forest.
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 June 2020 11: 35 New
          12
          Why do not you admit that the opinion expressed by the veteran is his own? If you are a supporter of the opposite position, like many of your friends, this does not mean that everyone thinks the same.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 June 2020 10: 55 New
        -3
        Quote: K-612-O
        The civic position of people is it already a dirty business?

        No. This is a criminal case (see the arrest of Platoshkin N.N.). In addition to the slander that brought down upon a citizen of Russia, without citing a single example, corresponding to the article of the situation (case) imputed to him ...
        Quote: K-612-O
        Or that we have one single opinion true

        Are you talking about whose opinion? About it?

        Quote: K-612-O
        and those who do not like garbage, padded jackets and lackeys?

        I don’t know who likes it and who these people are ...
        1. Kart
          Kart 16 June 2020 12: 33 New
          +2
          Stop grimacing.
          Here about Navalny and his insult to a WWII veteran.
          Do you have anything holy at all?
      3. unaha
        unaha 16 June 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        This is for sure: "Or that we have only one correct opinion, and those who do not like it," and who do not like it, are "liberals and agents of the State Department." It is so?
        1. Kart
          Kart 16 June 2020 12: 34 New
          +2
          What is your opinion?
          Old veteran call traitor and stupid?
          Do you support this opinion?
          1. unaha
            unaha 16 June 2020 14: 13 New
            -1
            I won’t even discuss it - it’s pure manipulation, to transfer to a specific person (in this case a veteran) an epithet related to the phenomenon.
            By the way, you are doing the same, substitution of concepts - the term "lackeys", have nothing to do with the terms "traitor and stupid."
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 17 June 2020 08: 42 New
              +1
              It is interesting, but the best cardiologist in the world also has no opinion of his own; there were quite worthy people there, not only Comrade Artemenko.
              And so you get that those who support the power of the lowest grade, which should not open their mouths. And your "people's" position is the only correct one.
              True road to Spain or Germany 30s
              1. unaha
                unaha 17 June 2020 09: 00 New
                -2
                "And so you do it" - in fact, it turns out that it is those who disagree who cannot open their mouths. And those who are "for" reveal it everywhere - from TV, from posters, etc. Can you give at least one example of a public discussion on TV between supporters and opponents of the amendments? Yes, by the way, a goblin with her with a discussion, can you name at least one socio-political program (not a "show of clowns" like 60 minutes) on TV?
                "The best cardiologist in the world also has no opinion" - he has, and presented it to everyone. But do not you think that it is dishonest to mention only "profitable" ones when campaigning for amendments, but forget about the controversial ones?
                And do you prefer not to notice the continuous stream of insults against the opponents of the current government in general and specific amendments in particular? These "liberasts" apparently deserve an insult?
                1. K-612-O
                  K-612-O 17 June 2020 10: 51 New
                  0
                  The society was offered a discussion, but the "opposition" froze and did not offer anything. Where is the constructive of the opposition? They just got angry and started throwing shit on my country and my people.
                  And the Immortal Regiment with the Nazis confirmed this very well.
                  1. unaha
                    unaha 17 June 2020 12: 48 New
                    -2
                    Why are you mixing up the discussion on amendments and the immortal regiment? Is this how they are connected?
                    "The" opposition "froze and did not offer anything" - but in more detail, can we have "opposition" and to whom exactly was it proposed? We have no opposition, all of it was driven into the margins for a long time. And those who are considered such are not opposition at all.
                    But the proposal is one, extremely simple - vote on each amendment separately. And that's all.
      4. unaha
        unaha 16 June 2020 11: 38 New
        -1
        “The civic position of people is already a dirty business in our country” - in cases when only one side (and this is the interested party) has the opportunity to speak out and agitate in serious media - is certainly dirty. At the same time, even here petty and petty cheating: "Peskov explained with a failure the lack of an amendment about" zeroing "on the voting site. He was reminded at a briefing that this amendment was not first mentioned in any thematic section on the 2020og.ru website. as several media outlets wrote about it, the text of the amendment was added to the site. "
        1. Kart
          Kart 16 June 2020 12: 35 New
          -1
          You can campaign in different ways.
          Navalny demonstrated that such a lack of bottom and conscience.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 09: 58 New
      15
      Quote: Varyag71
      And the fact that the veterans use in dirty games, for it will bring a case?

      That is, you do not allow the idea that a veteran can approve the amendments quite sincerely and voluntarily?
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                  2. Prisoner
                    Prisoner 16 June 2020 14: 11 New
                    +1
                    He is from the acquired "Opanas" complex. So I repainted. Yes, and I put up a picture for myself - Freud's dream. laughing Complexes are complexes.
            2. Kart
              Kart 16 June 2020 12: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: Aleksandre
              grandfather, a respected veteran, but at the moment on the fact of the old senile,

              And right there
              Quote: Aleksandre
              when you have nothing to say, but really want to, then get personal, feel like DeArtagnan ...


              This is called he gave himself advice, and he himself performed it. Passed on to the individual.
              Your company will not succeed. By malice and nearness.
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 16 June 2020 10: 10 New
          17
          I admit that it would also not hurt you, for a company with bulk, to take on insults from a grandfather.
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 16 June 2020 10: 51 New
            -10
            Quote: Captive
            I admit that it would also not hurt you, for a company with bulk, to take on insults from a grandfather.

            What’s the matter, dear? Ali paper and ink for denunciations run out?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 16 June 2020 11: 10 New
              -3
              Quote: Aleksandre
              Ali paper and ink for denunciations run out?

              What for? Against you, and so already is a tick ... a bloody reddish understand! laughing
            2. Prisoner
              Prisoner 16 June 2020 14: 06 New
              +1
              So will Banderland give such "good" to Russian justice? laughing
        3. Varyag71
          Varyag71 16 June 2020 10: 24 New
          -8
          Here cheers patriots do not believe it
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        4. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 16 June 2020 10: 26 New
          +8
          Quote: Aleksandre
          at the moment upon the fact of the old senile,

          Where does all this come from, from which rubbish dumps? request
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 16 June 2020 14: 16 New
            +1
            Clear from where. State Department-EU-Soros-Bandera-Baltic. hi
        5. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 June 2020 10: 28 New
          10
          Quote: Aleksandre
          but at the moment upon the fact of the old senile

          Are you confident in your right to libel, as in Navalny?
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 16 June 2020 10: 54 New
            -10
            Quote: Spade
            Are you confident in your right to libel, as in Navalny?

            That is, what I see with my own eyes is slander? Are you sure of your right to slander me?
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 10: 59 New
              +8
              Quote: Aleksandre
              That is, what I see with my own eyes is slander?

              What exactly do you see with your own eyes?
              Why do you think that since you personally do not approve the amendments, should there be anything against them at all?
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 16 June 2020 11: 06 New
                -3
                Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                What exactly do you see with your own eyes?
                Why do you think that since you personally do not approve the amendments, should there be anything against them at all?

                I see an old man with difficulty standing on his feet, who is not particularly clearly trying to present a text written by someone. Note that I do not forbid anyone to have their own opinion on this issue, but using a veteran for your own purposes is immoral, and it is just disrespect for him.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 11: 15 New
                  +7
                  Why did you decide that they are using it? You met with him personally, and he personally told you that "like this, and so" and he was used?
                  The fact is that you, for some reason, proceed from the self-belief that no one in their right mind will voluntarily vote for the amendments, which means bribery or blackmail.
                  It's not about the veteran, but about you. Because you do not accept a different point of view except your own.
                  1. Knell wardenheart
                    Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 15: 06 New
                    +3
                    Probably the fact is that most of the society hardly understands why a large-scale constitutional change is made SUDDENLY without a referendum, without observers, and even more than one day. And then my grandfather is campaigning for it - well, if he really figured out all these amendments and really decided for himself to voluntarily and free to campaign for it - this is certainly strange (but definitely not for you) at least ..
                    Previously, of course, people were stronger, maybe the grandfather’s ingenuity remained awesome over the years, but it’s painfully tender organisms in everything else, since it became bad with the heart ..
                    Why by the way? Grandfather is watching Navalny? Maybe your grandfather was told "good relatives"?
                    It’s definitely worth thinking about .. doesn’t add up)
                    1. K-612-O
                      K-612-O 17 June 2020 08: 48 New
                      0
                      According to the law and the Constitution, there should not be any voting at all. SovFed approved, the president signed and done. And then you sucked everything for 2 months and launched the voting. But you don't care Mordor.
                      1. Knell wardenheart
                        Knell wardenheart 17 June 2020 11: 34 New
                        0
                        Thank you, master, for the rods and not the whip? :)
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 16 June 2020 13: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Aleksandre
              That is, what I see with my own eyes is slander?

              Are you a psychic? And diagnose what you saw on the TV screen?
              1. Aleksandre
                Aleksandre 16 June 2020 17: 07 New
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                Are you a psychic? And diagnose what you saw on the TV screen?

                I have been living for quite some time, and I have no habit of making mistakes in the degree of adequacy of what I have seen.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 16 June 2020 17: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksandre
                  I live a long time

                  The veteran has also "lived for a long time", and on this basis you designated him as "in fact an old senile"
                  1. Aleksandre
                    Aleksandre 16 June 2020 18: 13 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Spade
                    The veteran has also "lived for a long time", and on this basis you designated him as "in fact an old senile"

                    Yes, the average 90-year-old man in fact is the old senile. Poor with orientation in space, with memory, logic, phrase building, speed of thinking. Bad or very bad. And there are no miracles from the word in general. I've seen enough of these in the gerontological center, nature is cruel.

                    Therefore, I do not need to talk about how grandfather, having appreciated the entire depth of our depths, as well as having studied all the legal subtleties and consequences, was imbued with the historical greatness of these amendments, and suddenly decided to agitate people to vote more actively. I won’t even laugh because it’s stupid.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 16 June 2020 18: 29 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Aleksandre
                      Yes, the average 90-year-old man in fact is the old senile.

                      And the average nerdy of your age?

                      To diagnose the image .... for this you must be either a fraudster or a clear candidate for a psychiatrist. So that he himself diagnosed. Full time.

                      Quote: Aleksandre
                      and suddenly decided to agitate people to vote more actively.

                      And this is already in its pure form the Red Guards. Principled intolerance of dissent. I have always wondered how far you are willing to go in the fight against him if you are not stopped. I'm afraid the Khmer Rouge will look like kindergartners in your background.
                      1. Aleksandre
                        Aleksandre 16 June 2020 18: 49 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        And this is already in its pure form the Red Guards. Principled intolerance of dissent. I have always wondered how far you are willing to go in the fight against him if you are not stopped. I'm afraid the Khmer Rouge will look like kindergartners in your background.

                        Comrade Lopatov, you yourself would have already gone to the doctor, eh? And then something of my dissent you do not tolerate, but you are ready to defend with all your might the "dissent" of the privileged group of "veterans" (after all, there are all saints). And this is called ... well, yes, your favorite "hunweibinstvo", yeah))) If you would stop communicating with me, this does not have a positive effect on your mental health.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 June 2020 19: 14 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Comrade Lopatov, you yourself would have gone to the doctor, huh?

                        What for?
                        I have not yet reached the point of calling a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, I quote, "an old senile". I have brains. And conscience.

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        you do not tolerate dissent

                        Doing vileness is not "dissent".
                        Dissent- have a different opinion. While respecting the alien.

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        the privileged group of "veterans" (after all, there are all saints).

                        Exactly.
                        So brought up. You can not understand...

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Would you stop talking to me

                        I do not communicate with you, I, like a kitten, "teach dormitory", poking into a bunch
                      3. Aleksandre
                        Aleksandre 16 June 2020 19: 40 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        I have not yet reached the point of calling a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, I quote, "an old senile". I have brains. And conscience.

                        And I have a conscience, can you imagine? I am ashamed to carry such luxurious pink glasses as yours and call white black and black white. I don’t know what about your brain, I’m not sure, but I’ll try to chew on my fingers:
                        What young grandfather? No, he is old, very old.
                        But what, there are 90-year-olds who do not suffer from one degree or another insanity (this, by the way, is for those who have a brain, not a curse, as the moderator believes, but a medical term ... but this is only for those who have, yes)? There are no such.
                        So who is grandfather ???

                        Doing vileness is not "dissent".
                        Dissent- have a different opinion. While respecting the alien.

                        If you from what the interlocutor says do not understand more than half, then this is not necessarily his vileness, perhaps you are just a little taut.

                        I do not communicate with you, I, like a kitten, "teach dormitory", poking into a bunch
                        And here I laughed quite sincerely, thanks)
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 June 2020 20: 12 New
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                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        And I have a conscience, can you imagine?

                        You simply do not use it so that it does not fray. Reasonable.

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        I am ashamed to carry such luxurious pink glasses

                        It's okay to respect your elders, it's not rose-colored glasses. This is normal for the majority of the world's population. Unless absolutely savages do not have this.

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        If you from what the interlocutor says do not understand more than half,

                        And what is there to understand?
                        Phrase "in fact the old senile"does not require further explanation.
                        The usual vileness, expressed in emphasized disrespect for the veteran of the Great Patriotic War. Moreover, politically determined disrespect.
                      5. Aleksandre
                        Aleksandre 16 June 2020 20: 26 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Phrase "in fact the old senile"does not require further explanation.
                        The usual vileness, expressed in emphasized disrespect for the veteran of the Great Patriotic War. Moreover, politically determined disrespect.

                        Are you ready to take my grandfather to work right now, say, for the position of some deputy simpler? Decide issues, sign papers .... Grandfather, after all, is good, he knows how famously he understands constitutions, and he creates a bright future for posterity.
                        And since the answer will be unequivocal, no, unless of course you suddenly want to deceive me, then grandfather you think is the same who I consider him to be. Only I say it directly, and you dodge in self-deception. So which of us is vile?
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 June 2020 21: 41 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        Are you ready to take your grandfather to work right now,

                        I’m ready not to offend this grandfather. How do you do this with Navalny.
                        For normally brought up.

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        out there famously in constitutions

                        Do you deny him the opportunity to have his own opinion?

                        Quote: Aleksandre
                        You dodge in self-deception. So which of us is vile?

                        No self-deception. I do not insult the veterans of World War II. Unlike you.
                        That is, I do not commit abominations.
                      7. Aleksandre
                        Aleksandre 17 June 2020 09: 13 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        I’m ready not to offend this grandfather. How do you do this with Navalny.
                        For normally brought up.

                        Your fantasies won't even make me laugh anymore) Am I insulting him by calling who he is? What do I have to do with Olesha Oval? And to speak about your upbringing in a positive way, at the same time pouring mud at people whose ratings do not coincide with yours and about which you know absolutely nothing - the top of culturelessness, remember this, it may come in handy.

                        Do you deny him the opportunity to have his own opinion?

                        I refuse him the opportunity to reason sensibly, grandfather’s years are not the same. However, this is exactly the reason why you refuse to work with him)
    3. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 18: 33 New
      +3
      I have been living for quite some time, and I have no habit of making mistakes in the degree of adequacy of what I have seen.

      I have been living for quite some time, and I don’t have the habit of making mistakes in the degree of adequacy of an individual who, as you dump out here, is immoral, heinous things.
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 16 June 2020 18: 50 New
        -1
        Do you diagnose a photo through the astral? And what is the maximum distance to the patient?
        1. DVR
          DVR 16 June 2020 19: 12 New
          +3
          Do you diagnose a photo through the astral? And what is the maximum distance to the patient?

          So you wrote:
          I have been living for quite some time, and I have no habit of making mistakes in the degree of adequacy of what I have seen.

          Are you diagnosed by seeing a person on TV? And what is the maximum distance to the patient?
          I am simply addressing your words to you, showing their absurdity.
          1. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 16 June 2020 19: 43 New
            0
            Quote: DVR
            I am simply addressing your words to you, showing their absurdity.

            As I am addressing yours, showing their hypocrisy:
            Quote: DVR
            I have been living for quite some time, and I don’t have the habit of making mistakes in the degree of adequacy of an individual who, as you dump out here, is immoral, heinous things.

            Sinful, I can’t help myself, so as not to dunk another gifted individual who criticizes what he himself did in a second)
          2. DVR
            DVR 16 June 2020 19: 55 New
            +3
            [As I am addressing yours, showing their hypocrisy:

            You are funny, however. I explained to you that I addressed your words to you, now you are addressing them to me, saying that these are my words, but these are your words, I remind you. And I showed their absurdity, and you confirmed with your empty reaction. So you didn’t dunk, but dipped laughing
          3. Aleksandre
            Aleksandre 16 June 2020 20: 20 New
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            Quote: DVR
            You are funny, however. I explained to you that I addressed your words to you, now you are addressing them to me, saying that these are my words, but these are your words, I remind you. And I showed their absurdity, and you confirmed with your empty reaction. So you didn’t dunk, but dipped laughing

            Read carefully, maybe it will come ... Or are you already refusing your words?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 16 June 2020 11: 14 New
    -4
    Without falling into insanity it is impossible not to notice that the amendments to K. are under them.
    So here it’s impossible to slander a priori .. How impossible it is to slander Tereshkova for venality ..
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 11: 24 New
      +1
      You haven't read these amendments. But right now you will climb up to see Although, perhaps, already climbed. But almost immediately I got tired of it, because there are "too many bukoffs". But nevertheless they are categorically against. Everything is according to the classics: "I have not read it, but I condemn it!"
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 16 June 2020 11: 37 New
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        You have not read these amendments. But right now, get in to see.
        - ahhh .. he slandered me .. In his cell to Navalny ..

        You have not read these amendments. But right now, get in to see.
        - ahhh .. he slandered me .. In his cell to Navalny ..
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        Why did you decide that they are using it? You met with him personally, and he personally told you that "like this, and so" and he was used?
        The fact is that you, for some reason, proceed from the self-belief that I’ll climb somewhere .. and hereinafter ..


        PS .. if there is a desire to really discuss the amendments, I’ll do it with pleasure .. And then so far no one has wanted to answer why they didn’t include a ban on driving into the red light and drunkenness at the wheel (very important things business), and what prevented Putin from taking amendments of a million rubles from future pensioners without amendments ..
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 12: 11 New
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          Quote: Roman123567
          And so far no one has ever wanted to answer me why they didn’t include a ban on driving into the red light and drunkenness driving (very important things in fact),

          Yes, let's add to the Constitution a ban on men wearing pink shirts and white socks. From my point of view, this is also very important.
          1. Roman123567
            Roman123567 16 June 2020 12: 56 New
            +2
            Well, you see .. it turns out that you yourself perfectly understand the absurdity of what is happening ..
            And then I drive around the city, everywhere there are posters - we will protect natural resources .. I turn on the telly at home - constantly about a responsible attitude to animals ..
            If I were at the same age as the hero of the clip in Navalny, I would also think that these are the most important amendments proposed .. Well, why not, in fact, vote for them .. even if their value is akin to a ban on wearing men of pink shirts ..
            But for some reason I still have not seen the posters "Let us zero Putin's presidential terms" .. and Bezrukov does not talk about it on TV either .. Apparently, this is a very insignificant amendment, and does not deserve public attention .. Let's preserve family values ​​".. after all, without this slogan, the values ​​will not be preserved .. but with it they will immediately be safe .. And the memory of ancestors can be preserved only if it is spelled out in the Constitution .. and not spelled out - so the memory will disappear ..
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 13: 12 New
              0
              Quote: Roman123567
              And then I drive around the city, everywhere there are posters - we will protect natural resources .. I turn on the telly at home - constantly about a responsible attitude to animals ..

              In psychology, this is called "imprinting", i.e. consolidation in the mind of the necessary attitudes. For the same purpose, they write at the exits: "When leaving, turn off the light."
              Most people need a guide, because without it they will be mired in debauchery, drunkenness and gluttony.
              Accordingly, so that people do not litter anywhere, and do not torment animals, they need to talk about it day and night. This is the human psyche.
              I looked at the statistics of marriage and divorce for 2018 (the first thing I found). The ratio of 68%. That is, out of a hundred conditional marriages, by divorce, only in a year, 68 ended.
              Why not promote family values?
              And do not worry about the memory of ancestors. The Russians tried to teach life over their entire long history.
              Well, the question is backfill!
              If the current government is so against history, then why the Russian anthem to the music of Alexandrov, and not Glinka?
              1. Roman123567
                Roman123567 16 June 2020 13: 36 New
                +1
                In psychology, this is called "imprinting", i.e. consolidation in the mind of the necessary attitudes.
                The manipulation is called ... and the imposition of opinions ..

                Most people need a guide, because without it they will be mired in debauchery, drunkenness and gluttony.
                Everything is exactly the opposite .. such a guide could well lead to debauchery, drunkenness and gluttony ..


                Accordingly, so that people do not litter anywhere, and do not torment animals, they need to talk about it day and night. This is the human psyche.

                I do not understand .. Taldychit need to day and night ?? Or register in the Constitution ?? Forced again to return to the fact that the passage to the red light is prohibited, and drunkenness at the wheel too .. Why is this not written in the constitution ?? And why do not we write there about debauchery, and gluttony ??
                Something does not add up to the puzzle ..))

                I looked at the statistics of marriage and divorce for 2018 (the first thing I found). The ratio of 68%. That is, out of a hundred conditional marriages, by divorce, only in a year, 68 ended.
                Why not promote family values?
                Now the question is .. where does the Constitution ??

                And do not worry about the memory of ancestors.
                Am I really worried ??
                You inattentively read what I wrote ..

                Well, the question is backfill!
                If the current authority is so against history
                Refer to this question to what claimed that current power is against history ..
              2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 14: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Roman123567
                The manipulation is called ... and the imposition of opinions ..

                Well, you’re trying to impose the opinion that the amendments are definitely bad.
                The best defense against propaganda and manipulation is developed critical thinking. Read books!
                Everything is exactly the opposite .. such a guide could well lead to debauchery, drunkenness and gluttony ..

                The darkest one does not smoke or drink, he is engaged in physical education. What is not an example to follow?
                Taldychit need day and night ?? Or register in the Constitution ??

                The Constitution is a document declaring the fundamental principles of the state and citizens. A ban on drunk driving is in the SDA.
                Now the question is .. where does the Constitution ??

                You yourself wrote
                Whether it’s "Let's preserve family values" .. after all, without this slogan, the values ​​will not be preserved .. but with it they will immediately be safe ..

                People need to constantly repeat that the family is good, and hanging around with anyone, respectively, is bad.
                Refer to this question to what claimed that current power is against history ..

                In this case, I am contacting you.
                What do you personally think about this?
              3. Roman123567
                Roman123567 16 June 2020 14: 46 New
                +2
                Well, you’re trying to impose the opinion that the amendments are definitely bad.
                I didn’t try to impose anything .. I only indicated the fact that a spoon of tar in a barrel of honey is definitely bad .. And you yourself know that .. And the fact that we are only yelled about honey everywhere - this should make us think ..

                The best defense against propaganda and manipulation is developed critical thinking. Read books!
                I fully support !! It is for this reason that I wrote all of the above .. For only without thinking can a person go out and say that he is for amendments .. Without analyzing them individually, and without thinking about whether they are needed at all, and why all of a sudden - these are the amendments ..

                The darkest one does not smoke or drink, he is engaged in physical education. What is not an example to follow?
                so we don’t choose a fitness trainer here .. Vaughn and Trump don’t smoke .. but Obama took a picture of how weights weights in the gym .. why aren’t they ..))


                The Constitution is a document declaring the fundamental principles of the state and citizens.
                So here I am about the same ..))
                Fundamental is the ability to reset to zero and edit as many as you like .. There are no questions .. the point is important .. But few people read about it on posters for some reason .. I like a couple of posts above painted all this .. Why Bezrukov does not talk about fundamental - about zeroing .. And what is fundamental for the state in the protection of animals ??

                A ban on drunk driving is in the SDA.

                Sido - you are a genius !!
                The Ministry of Natural Resources has laws on natural resources .. Forestry, fisheries supervision .. (by the way, why do not we write about fish that they need to be protected ??)
                There are various family institutes, ministries of culture, registry offices .. I think that there are no worse traffic rules and wedding processes, and who defeated the Germans, who attacked anyone, and who should honor whom .. And about pensions, it was a long time ago in the constitution it is written .. that does not prevent any of the pensioners from having beggarly pensions ..
                Here to rule the country - yes .. this is a fundamental moment !! Because it’s not a tree to cut down, and a fish to eat .. I agree that this item should really be put to the vote .. But now .. but the point is repeated for the third time ..

                You yourself wrote
                Whether it’s "Let's preserve family values" .. after all, without this slogan, the values ​​will not be preserved .. but with it they will immediately be safe ..
                That's right .. I fasted ..
                For both of us it is clear that if something is written in the Constitution, there will not be less divorces .. Therefore, I asked the question - where does the number of marriages / divorces and the Constitution ??
                And to make it even easier to answer, I’ll ask at the same time - if traffic rules are prescribed in the Constitution, there will definitely be less violators ??))

                People need to constantly repeat that the family is good, and hanging around with anyone, respectively, is bad.


                Keep repeating ?? Or register in the Constitution ?? Forced again to return to the fact that the passage to the red light is prohibited, and drunkenness at the wheel too .. Why is this not written in the constitution ?? And why do not we write there about debauchery, and gluttony ??
                Something does not add up to the puzzle ..))


                In this case, I am contacting you.
                What do you personally think about this?
                How can I answer, "why did the authorities leave the anthem if they are against history," when I may not think at all that they are against history ..
                A question from the category - what did you beat your mom for today ..
                This can be discussed for a long time, but this does not apply to this topic now ..
              4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 14: 52 New
                -1
                Thanks for the informative dialogue. You are a pleasant conversationalist. I shake your hand and wish you all the best!
              5. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 15: 41 New
                0
                How rarely are reasonable reasoned voices heard here ..
                Now the whole point of your discussion is to understand "good" or "bad". But the very essence of the question you are talking about is trying to elude the Evaluation as a phenomenon, because it is a vinaigrette. You can take a little salmonella from the chef in Olivier or put a little rotten potato or spoiled cheese in there - and then feed it to someone, and he will eat and praise - because the salad is good, except for a small detail. Which will make itself felt, so to speak. How can you relate to "Good in general, but terrible in a separate detail"? It seems to me that it is best to relate to this through the prism of your PERSONAL attitude to the degree of acceptance of the terrible - specifically, you would like a person who ruled for 20 years - ruled for another 6 or 12 or whatever .. Even so - do you think it is USEFUL for country .
                Well, in contrast, which of these amendments is useful "in terms of functionality" enough to go and vote for it. Other nonsense that is not a candle to God, or the devil of a poker, you can simply throw overboard and solve the issue from the position of "qualitatively good" and "qualitatively bad". I personally do not believe that a person who has not kept a lot of his promises is worthy of 4-5 attempts to keep them. I look at how we lived 10 years ago, and how we live now. And the difference is not in favor of "now". Here, at least add God, even though criminal cases against everyone who writes with mistakes, the main thing will still be this.
            2. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 15: 26 New
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              Excuse me, why do people "SHOULD" constantly repeat or rub something? Since propaganda appeared - there were two world wars, a mass of genocides, such a phenomenon as terrorism has blossomed - and all this because some very clever face (not even one) at one time decided that a person should be "ruled" there and then there. Every year this becomes more and more - and the suffering from this becomes more and more every year. Maybe it's better without this paternalism? Everyone is free to choose for himself - and also to know what funds the state is investing in this whole agitprop machine - so that society can decide for itself whether it is better to send these funds to treat sick children or new hospitals. People are what they are, what they were and will be - the experience of "cure-instigation" of the USSR showed that all this money wasted.
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 15: 17 New
        +2
        In the hellish mess of these amendments, seasoned with the ostentatious foolishness of their popular acceptance (bypassing the procedure), you can hide anything - but the problem is that most of our population, even if these people are poked with their faces in what is hidden, will be all the same as a toy dog ​​for drivers to nod their head, in which at this time the voice of Bezrukov will sound, or some poster about "animal rights" will stick out. Do you know a children's riddle? Which is heavier - a kilogram of fluff or a kilogram of lead? Here we have people think so - "Well, what is fluff - if the case is LEAD!"
        What is one kind of amendment that takes another 6 or 12 years from the history of the country in the 21st century - if the matter is to consolidate the integrity (WHERE ?! In the law that is changed every 20 years?!) Or in a country full of single mothers to solder this pretty "family is the union of a man and a woman." We will mention God and God will immediately be more - because he will be remembered not only in churches, but also in the constitutional court!
        Beautiful!)
      3. shura7782
        shura7782 16 June 2020 16: 49 New
        0
        But for some reason I still have not seen the posters "Let's zero Putin's presidential terms"
        Where do you live? Perhaps your edros are agonizing. We have these calls around visible.
        As for the elderly, they know nothing except the zomboyaschik and the nightingale. And the authorities shamelessly use them for political purposes. Dear Veteran, by virtue of his advanced age, he did not realize that, unlike himself, his great-grandchildren would not see a pension AT ALL. He would have understood if he had agreed to this adventure in a row.
        But Navalny in statements should take into account the age of people.
  • Kart
    Kart 16 June 2020 12: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: Roman123567
    - ahhh .. he slandered me .. In his cell to Navalny ..

    So read or not?
    If you haven’t read it, then you shouldn’t write slander, even here.
  • DVR
    DVR 16 June 2020 18: 36 New
    +2
    Without falling into insanity it is impossible not to notice that the amendments to K. are under them.

    You fell into insanity and do not notice that they are amending the Constitution?
    How impossible it is to slander Tereshkova in corruption.

    You just did it, didn't you notice?
  • figwam
    figwam 16 June 2020 10: 59 New
    +6
    Quote: Aleksandre
    respected veteran, but at the moment on the fact of the old senile,

    How many abominations in the world ...
  • artifact
    artifact 16 June 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Aleksandre
    but for now the fact old senility,

    How can you confirm this fact? if you cannot, then this slander. Do you have an extra million rubles!?
  • DVR
    DVR 16 June 2020 13: 16 New
    +2
    but at the moment, upon the fact of the old senile,

    Tell me, at what age can a person be considered an old senile? Or by what criteria can this be determined by seeing a person only on TV?
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 June 2020 10: 22 New
    -9
    WHAT?! Maybe he approves the bastard bureaucrats, imagining themselves gentlemen?
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 10: 24 New
      +1
      But the bureaucrats are right, all and sundry have gone too far and imagine themselves gentlemen? Others do not exist in principle?
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 16 June 2020 11: 41 New
      0
      Approves the prohibition of accounts, citizenship, property of bureaucrats - which is in the amendments. But the peculiarity of our opposition is that it will even oppose what it demanded more recently. If the subject of these requirements will be implemented by the current government.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 48 New
        -1
        I am sure that nothing of the kind will happen. After all, there will only be yes or no. Not for every amendment. And are there really no laws that would forbid it all to have?
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 June 2020 19: 06 New
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          A law was recently passed at the expense of a second citizenship for state employees. But I don’t remember something about accounts and real estate.
          It would be nice if there was a vote for each amendment separately.
    3. Kart
      Kart 16 June 2020 12: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Varyag71
      WHAT?! Maybe he approves the bastard bureaucrats, imagining themselves gentlemen?

      No matter what he approves of. He is a Veteran, a respected person simply in fact.
      This is called respect for the older generation.
      Is this familiar?
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 16 June 2020 13: 21 New
        -2
        The fact that the old generation does not give absolutely anyone the right to say anything. Sedina does not speak of mind, honor and conscience.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 June 2020 10: 23 New
    -1
    I remember how, before raising the retirement age, veterans, pensioners, and others flashed. Did they also support sincerely?
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 10: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Varyag71
      I remember how, before raising the retirement age, veterans, pensioners, and others flashed. Did they also support sincerely?

      An example is possible?
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 35 New
        -2
        Sources of information in the public domain. Look for
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 11: 46 New
          0
          I searched.
          The request was this:
          "Pensioners and Veterans in Support of Raising the Retirement Age".
          Yandex and Google.
          Only about benefits, increments, surcharges and indexation. Well, also "ask a lawyer".
          So will the proof, or tra-la-la?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 54 New
            -3
            Yes, it’s good to build a fool out of yourself. Everyone understands what and how. Proofs to you? Go to the cemetery and see
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 12: 04 New
              +2
              Rude began. So there are no proofs, and never was, and you lied.
              1. Varyag71
                Varyag71 16 June 2020 13: 22 New
                +1
                He who wants will find, but he who does not want will seek excuses. Although, what about you, edrosovsky lackeys to take.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 13: 49 New
                  0
                  So it is you who are looking for excuses. Confirmation of your words you did not provide, limiting yourself to abstract
                  Sources of information in the public domain. Look for

                  I searched. You have provided your request form, you can check.
                  And on the Internet you can find anything you want. In Russia, it is one of the most affordable in the world.
                  But you started to get angry, calling me edrosovsky lackey. Why? Just because I do not agree with you?
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 16 June 2020 11: 11 New
    +4
    sincerely and voluntarily?
    When sellers of any utensils go to their homes, the old women also sincerely and voluntarily give them several thousand for an iron or a set of knives ..
    Still quite often sincerely and voluntarily, apartments are signed for someone ..
    So such an idea can well be allowed ..
    I can’t just suppose that the veteran himself came to the CEC and offered to agitate for the nullification of the thieves’s power ..
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 11: 54 New
      +1
      It is very easy to equate power with swindlers. Thus, their own troubles are extremely dashingly explained. And, most importantly, you don't need to do anything! Sit on your ass and gargle power. Because: "I don't do anything because the authorities will reset everything in any case. So why bother if I thought of the result for myself in advance?"
      This reminds me of the "PNvS" of the Strugatskys, specifically the motto of the Absolute Knowledge Department: "Cognition of infinity requires infinite time. Therefore, work, do not work - everything is one."
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 16 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    You do not allow the idea that a veteran can approve the amendments completely sincerely and voluntarily?

    Today it does not matter. Everyone who supports Putin is objectively a traitor to his country and will certainly be damned by his descendants. It is about whether or not to be Russia itself. In the light of such significance there is no and cannot be merit justifying the defenders of the current regime.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 13: 26 New
      0
      Everyone who supports Putin is objectively a traitor to his country and will certainly be damned by his descendants.

      Again, it reminded me of the song "Beat the drum!" from the movie "Treasure Island":
      "He who is not with us is both a coward and an enemy."
      Objectively from whose point of view? Yours? Your environment? Most commentators on this site? Why do you think this is representative? On what basis do you appropriate the right of final judgment?
      What are these big words for?
      will be cursed by descendants

      As they say, they shake the air, but not the interlocutor. All this is a dummy, and, excuse me, aplomb.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 16 June 2020 15: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        All this is a dummy, and, excuse me, aplomb.

        The article itself sets the pathos of discussion.
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Objectively from whose point of view? Yours? Your environment? Most commentators on this site? Why do you think this is representative? On what basis do you appropriate the right of final judgment?

        Any point of view is subjective. No matter how representative the sample of sociologists is. If we talk about representativeness, can the author of the article rely on a representative study of public opinion? Or at least one of the commentators?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 15: 19 New
          0
          Your reasoning reminds me of the logical paradox of a liar. If a liar claims to be constantly lying, then he contradicts himself.
          If he says that he is constantly lying, then when he says this, he is lying too. And on the basis of this, it turns out that he is telling the truth. Therefore, he is not a liar.
          Eric Russell's story "The Devil".
    2. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 15: 49 New
      0
      ahaha, the beauty of our democracy is that you can choose something, and then make a stupid face and say "I was green!" or "well, who knew that" or "if not he then who." No matter how the power chosen by the people is naughty - a kind of "simpleton" who drowned for Yeltsin - he will always wriggle out in an indignant chorus of the same "simpletons".
    3. Prahlad
      Prahlad 16 June 2020 19: 24 New
      -1
      Putin has already stolen a chance for a normal future from 2 generations at least. Zeroing is deadly
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 June 2020 09: 55 New
    +6
    He even has two (!) Conditional terms.

    However, still free! laughing I won’t be surprised at the third conditional term ... repeat Or maybe he is a "conditional" oppositionist? wink
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 June 2020 10: 14 New
      +8
      So from him continuous benefit. As an opposition, a complete zero. Egozit as a worm in the priest of an elephant and nothing more. But he eats grants, lazy and incapable of creative work, he underestimates in one heap. laughing If he was not there, then it would be necessary to come up with.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 16 June 2020 10: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Or maybe he is a "conditional" oppositionist?

      That guy over there is Elusive Joe! Che no one can catch? Yes, no, nobody cares! wink
      hi Salam Papalam Tank!
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 June 2020 10: 23 New
        +4
        Salam, Sergey! hi
        Quote: Serg65
        That guy over there is Elusive Joe! Che no one can catch? Yes, no, nobody cares!

        I agree here, however, no one has the right to insult veterans. It’s time to translate both conditional terms into real ones, so that it would be disgraceful. angry
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 16 June 2020 10: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Tank Hard
          no one has the right to insult veterans.

          Exactly, only for this five years and Kirovles restore with words .... the snowball creaks under the boots, and next something sings the spine ...
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 16 June 2020 10: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            and next something sings the spine ...

            Yes, it would be nice to have looked with Efremov in "amateur performance". lol
  • Million
    Million 16 June 2020 10: 03 New
    -9
    Mouse fuss. The veteran was used for a political advertisement, in which he starred, apparently not realizing that he was being used. The rest, too, "could not refuse" ... Everyone understands that "very important amendments to the fast" are not accepted in bulk ...
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 16 June 2020 10: 17 New
      +9
      Quote: Million
      . Veteran was used for political advertising, in which he starred, apparently not realizing that he was being used

      This gives the right to call him a lackey and a traitor ????
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 16 June 2020 10: 24 New
        -10
        Ignorance of the law is not an excuse
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 10: 39 New
          +1
          What laws and what responsibility?
          Although I guess. Laws of conscience, and civil liability, right?
          1. Kart
            Kart 16 June 2020 12: 51 New
            0
            Ага.
            They do so. "Vote with your heart"
            1. Varyag71
              Varyag71 16 June 2020 13: 22 New
              0
              Promoter moonlighting?
      2. Million
        Million 16 June 2020 10: 47 New
        -5
        He doesn’t. But his grandfather is shown on all channels and advertising is doing his filthy job.
        PS.You would be better offended by the fact that the alcoholic addict Efremov killed the man, and many famous people are blocking him.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 16 June 2020 11: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Million
          But grandfather is shown on all channels and advertising is doing its filthy job.

          You often flash here ... does this give me the right to insult you?
          Quote: Million
          Efremov killed a man, and many famous people are blocking him.

          These famous, the same alcoholics, drug addicts and wrestlers with the regime for money! I will be indignant if Efremov is not imprisoned!
          1. RMT
            RMT 16 June 2020 14: 39 New
            0
            What will your outrage look like?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 17 June 2020 08: 07 New
              0
              Physically and morally ... do you offer a protest?
              1. RMT
                RMT 17 June 2020 12: 00 New
                0
                The moral compensation is quite understandable, but I still can not imagine with physical expression.
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 16 June 2020 10: 05 New
    +1
    Navalny went through as usual. But it's really disgusting to watch ads for "amendments". Zomboyaschik, in a word.
  • Irek
    Irek 16 June 2020 10: 06 New
    0
    Close Lyoshenka Anal in a common cell for a day, instantly re-educated.
    1. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 13: 35 New
      +1
      Close Lyoshenka Anal in a common cell for a day, instantly re-educated.

      I don’t know what he is like now, but after a stormy night in the cell he will become exactly what you said.
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 16 June 2020 10: 08 New
    +4
    Here is the logic. If you are patriotic for amendments, if you are an anti-extremist and maydanutyy. But the meaning of the amendments is only one zeroing zeroed. The rest is just a smoke screen.
    1. Gertm
      Gertm 16 June 2020 10: 45 New
      +5
      For or against does not give the right to insult others. Washed in zeroing 0.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 June 2020 10: 13 New
    -5
    Did the accused PERSONALLY offend the veteran, or is any of the associates concerned?
    If PERSONALLY, not a question, let him answer according to the law, if someone from the "helpers" rendered such a "service" to him, tady oh, look for and punish the one who did IT.
    1. Kart
      Kart 16 June 2020 12: 52 New
      +2
      Personally, of course. There is a video.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 June 2020 13: 01 New
        +1
        THIS IS THE ANSWER, thanks soldier
        Look at the minusers .... it's cool, well !!! There, no thoughts anymore, just reflexes? Pavlov’s dogs pf-e .... interestingly, but where do they connect the wiring, really for the most sensitive ....
  • Forest
    Forest 16 June 2020 10: 17 New
    0
    How the minions rushed to defend their oloshka)
    1. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 13: 39 New
      +1
      How the minions rushed to defend their oloshka)

      Yes, something is weak so far, sluggish somehow. Is there a day off in a bot farm? Or they decided to get hold of the pros here, but they drown for the veteran from under other accounts)
      1. DVR
        DVR 16 June 2020 18: 52 New
        +3
        Yes, something is weak so far, sluggish somehow.

        Yes, I did not think at 13:39 that 18:52 on the branch everything will change dramatically, wow.
    2. Prahlad
      Prahlad 16 June 2020 19: 28 New
      0
      And they’re doing it right!
  • codetalker
    codetalker 16 June 2020 10: 21 New
    +9
    Experts, ay! Tell me. Here he has a suspended sentence until some year 2021-22. If he is now convicted of libel and fined, will the suspended sentence turn into a real one?
    I ask about the formal side of things. Those wishing to tell "how we will really be", please go by. Thank you in advance!
  • Fitter
    Fitter 16 June 2020 10: 31 New
    0
    And what will happen if a random brick sends Navalny to the headquarters of Dukhonin? What will change in the life of Russia?
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 16 June 2020 11: 17 New
      +1
      Then FSA will find a new "piled up" one in a day and he will stink, even here there are a lot of Soros miscarriages, ready for anything for green paper.
      1. DVR
        DVR 16 June 2020 13: 43 New
        +1
        And there are many more sanctions under the "Navalny law", and the square will be renamed ...
    2. Prahlad
      Prahlad 16 June 2020 19: 29 New
      0
      Well, at least new sanctions, for example, on hydrocarbons. And greetings to Venezuela 2. Therefore, they will not touch him.
  • Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 16 June 2020 10: 32 New
    +5
    Dear forum users! And somebody saw on TV the speech of anyone against amendments to the Constitution. We are making conclusions!
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 42 New
      -1
      I myself have not watched TV for 10 years, but judging by the comments of some comrades, we live in the fairest state. We already have absolutely free medicine and education, advanced technologies, we plow the Solar System, we have lunar and Martian bases, we have honest officials, real patriots, a great kind movie, no House 2, no corrupt judges and garbage, we have the best the president, who is responsible for his words, we have rapists, pedophiles and drug dealers for life in uranium mines .... etc.
      1. Kart
        Kart 16 June 2020 12: 54 New
        -1
        Do not follow the comments of some comrades. Your comrades will lie as usual.
        You have to do it yourself, not "I haven't watched for 10 years." But I have an opinion.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 16 June 2020 13: 18 New
          +2
          And I look at what the country is turning into. Or a veteran fought for such a society?
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 16 June 2020 10: 42 New
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    The ex-official brought down a child and sued his family 120 thousand rubles.
    The ex-official of the Ministry of Education of the Murmansk region, who shot down a child at the crossroads, sued his family 120 thousand rubles. The incident occurred in 2018, however, the parties met in court a year later, and the lawsuit is still far from over.

    According to KP.ru, a former employee of the Ministry of Education, who also oversaw the safety of children on the roads, knocked down a 12-year-old boy when he rode a bicycle from an dirt road to an asphalt road. The boy received a jaw fracture and a concussion, and also lost several teeth. There were scratches on the official’s car; the mirror turned out to be broken.
    The cyclist's parents decided not to sue, focusing on treating the child. As a result, the motorist herself sued them and demanded compensation for damage. The court took her side, not accepting the results of the examination provided by the victim's family. A private company conducted the examination, however, representatives of the downed child and his family believe that it is the most accurate.


    Good to be liberal. The situation there is completely different, not as much as the anal guys would really like.
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 16 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +6
    Quote: Aleksandre
    And you do not admit the thought that grandfather, a respected veteran, but at the moment, in fact, an old senile, was simply used (after all, the government loves to cling to other people's merits), and with the same success, "advice" on the topic of how could a three-year-old baby?

    And you do not admit that the LGBT community uses you for its intended purpose, regardless of the diagnosis. And your age, compared with the age of a veteran, gives you a huge advantage for these purposes. And let the grandfather live, how much God will let him go in the circle of already matured grandchildren. It is a pity that he lived his youth in the trenches.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 16 June 2020 10: 48 New
    -4
    As for the initiation of proceedings against Navalny - complete arbitrariness, shame and shame, the article would at least be picked up, because Art. 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, well, they will not fit in any way to his statements !!!

    As for the veteran being harnessed to agitate for amendments - it’s necessary to put that weirdo who thought of it, to remove the veteran against the backdrop of a Poor apartment !!!
    1. Kart
      Kart 16 June 2020 12: 55 New
      -2
      You were not asked where to shoot.
      And the article is quite suitable.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 16 June 2020 17: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        You were not asked where to shoot.
        And the article is quite suitable.

        1. If a wall carpet was bought 50+ years ago during the Soviet era, but there is nothing of modern furniture - this is a SHAME !!! for Russia - so it means she cares about the Veterans ... crying
        2. Well - well - bring an article and justify bully I'm not here for you hi
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 June 2020 10: 50 New
    +4
    Alexey Navalny can probably be called the champion of Russia in the number of fines, administrative arrests and other punishments of this kind. He even has two (!) Conditional terms. All this “baggage” does not seem to burden politics at all, but even helps maintain popularity in certain circles, creating an aura of “victim” around it.

    Pop Gapon, Azef .... In the history of Russia how many of them were and will be.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 June 2020 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      Pop Gapon, Azef .... In the history of Russia how many of them were and will be.

      False Dmitry, Gapon, Azef, Vlasov, Navalny, and even this woman who climbed into the Moscow City Duma, and how many of these purulent acne will be on the body of Russia?
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 16 June 2020 11: 02 New
    +1
    Wow, how many analyshes ran to protect his master, you, like him, are biomass.
    It would be nice here on the site, too, someone for insults to the flag countries and the authorities closed where necessary for a long time.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 16 June 2020 11: 04 New
    -1
    Tin .. What was the slander there, does anyone know ??
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +1
    Alexey Navalny can probably be called the champion of Russia in the number of fines, administrative arrests and other punishments of this kind.
    And I thought that here leader Mikhail Efremov.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 16 June 2020 11: 44 New
    -1
    But where are the defenders of veterans who continue to live in poverty? Are you also tearing one place there?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 16 June 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      In what other misery are the veterans that you carry? My mother is not a veteran - a blockade worker, a home front worker (a nurse in a hospital, at school age) has a pension of about 40 thousand and a bunch of benefits. The combatants have more.
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  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 June 2020 12: 02 New
    +1
    And what to comment?
    1) watch the video
    2) wait for a court decision.

    In the meantime, it turns out "I did not look, but I condemn"

    Where in the article is a link to the video to condemn the unworthy?
  • Kibl
    Kibl 16 June 2020 12: 02 New
    0
    Well, the last pearl of this dive is about the overthrow of the current government. It already falls under the article of the Criminal Code of Russia. And there are plus conditioners and an insult to the veteran. In short, I saw five in my teeth and about five years in the permafrost zone.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 16 June 2020 12: 22 New
    -2
    Who is right, who is to blame ??? X Z.

    Maybe from July 1, something will change ??? X Z.
    1. Kart
      Kart 16 June 2020 12: 59 New
      -1
      Greetings from Russia to the inhabitants of a desert island!
      What, you don’t even have the Internet to read about all this?
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 16 June 2020 13: 14 New
        0
        Do you know about all-all-all - what, where, when and how?
        Excerpt from a verse by A. Galich:
        "And fear the only thing, only that
        Who will say: "I know how it should be!" ©
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 12: 42 New
    +8
    A number of things are funny here:
    1) Margo Simonyan is a very great expert in how to get gesheft "without the fact of payment." Probably, she also knows well how to give it out) All these are old schemes - when grandfathers talk to their relatives and convince them, they will convince grandfather, and then "grateful RT employees" will "throw in" a new TV and household appliances, or something like that ... It is not necessary that the hero of the occasion - the granddaughter, the bug ..

    2) I am especially amused that the veteran in the lawsuit is "an incapacitated person in a helpless state" - but at the same time he acts as an agitator for amendments to the constitution (which he himself obviously did not read either with or without amendments). Don't you think that agitation for something without even a superficial acquaintance with the issue is the essence of misinformation, that is, in general, it is a lie and slyness? Why can we condemn Elena Malysheva or Gennady Malakhov for these wildest health advice from people who do not have the competence but have a platform for expressing an unreasoned opinion that can be harmful, but at the same time "discourage" a veteran who, on the one hand, is "helpless and incapacitated" , and on the other hand, he agitates (and, moreover, formally even for free!) for something in which he has not the slightest idea.

    3) The recent case of Efremov showed well that a good and talented person in his professional sphere of activity can turn out to be the embodiment of evil and vice in a specific, specific situation. A veteran defended us on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, for this he received a lot of preferences from the state (the more the farther), and the honor and respect from society (while he was a Great Patriotic War veteran). As soon as a person went beyond the framework of this image and climbed into political agitation, in my opinion he became a political agitator, in his old age he was clearly incompetent agitating for a question with a frankly ambiguous assessment of society. So it cannot be said that the presence of a large number of titles and awards makes a person a saint or authority in those areas in which he did not receive these awards.

    I believe that often Navalny is too harsh in his statements (which is not appropriate for a public political figure that claims to be professional and credible) - it often brings him cool, as he brings schoolchildren to gaming forums.
    At the same time, from my life experience, I have repeatedly seen how actors, singers and other "figures" in our country were too eagerly and relishly agitating for a variety of things that did not bring anything good to society. Then these people often cleverly twisted themselves, arguing that "they are actors" - but deception is deception. If my grandfather campaigned for blood donation or urban landscaping - for something politically neutral - then there are no questions. But shining a face in violation of the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution is somehow not ice ...

    It is high time for all of us to wake up and stop pecking at all these girls with honest eyes, wise old men and beautifully speaking people in red ties. Maybe then we will start to live a little better.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 16 June 2020 12: 43 New
    +5
    ... "RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan said that the veteran did not receive any payments for participation in the filming, so she advised his family to sue the slanderer." .. - this passage is very good in the article .. I suspect that Mrs. RT editor-in-chief herself received money for the advertising campaign .. And not small ones .. And the pensioner was not even paid a fee for the shooting? Fetisov and Lanovoy also filmed for free? It's hard to believe in this .. Maybe the veteran's family should file a lawsuit against RT? For moral damage and exploitation of the image of a war veteran? Well, maybe Mrs. Simonyan will pay the veteran at least the legal costs and treatment, if the fee was not charged to him? ..
  • An64
    An64 16 June 2020 13: 51 New
    +2
    It is interesting to read the comments of people who believe that an elderly person, a veteran, has the right to his opinion and should express it. Absolutely agree!!!
    Only, you, dear commentators, did you watch the video yourself? No one there expresses any opinions, but simply read the preamble of the constitution!
    There are no opinions in the video, there is an artistic reading ...
  • shura7782
    shura7782 16 June 2020 17: 59 New
    +1
    Dear Veteran propaganda used to the full twice. The first time took advantage of his advanced age. A veteran would never have agreed that his great-grandchildren would be left without a pension and would not go on this adventure. Man fully trusts the zombie man.
    The second disgusting action of propaganda is that it brought the Veteran review of Navalny on him. Thus, it remained unstained. Only interested edros pretend not to notice this.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 16 June 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    How much has Lesha Anal money owes in various claims? Will he pay to death?
  • Lynx-z
    Lynx-z 16 June 2020 21: 02 New
    0
    "It's checkered!"
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 16 June 2020 22: 32 New
    0
    And what side Navalny to the topic of the site ??? Did you get the state dough? stupidly I won’t read you anymore if you have a cheap propaganda site here.
  • Vit0c
    Vit0c 16 June 2020 22: 33 New
    +1
    And why did no one in the comments ask the question: when will the Investigative Committee initiate a criminal case on numerous facts of corruption of officials? Head of Rosprirodnadzor, speaker of the Moscow City Duma, "managers" of state-owned companies and state-owned banks, hundreds of their "colleagues" ... But we need Navalny's blood! Yes? Sad
  • Sviridov777
    Sviridov777 17 June 2020 11: 34 New
    0
    Pocket pop Gapon. There will be nothing to him. Penalty maximum. Hamsters zonyonyat.
  • koramax81
    koramax81 18 June 2020 22: 53 New
    0
    If he is a politician, then I am a Spanish pilot