When shame does not cover the shame

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To begin with, a small lyrical appeal to readers.

It is very pleasant that you, dear ones, react to articles in this way. Highly. Especially those who speak in the style of "If ***** screams - the right way we go!" Yes, you are going the right way, if you like. But we’ll talk about the results after a while, the comments are in the daddy, so in a year or two there will be very interesting such material on them. Analytical.



We're not going anywhere, right?

And the second one. It is very pleasing that every second reader of ours, who so vehemently supports the show with voting, from such developed countries as Moldova, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Armenia. It is very nice to see (yes, we removed the flags, but this is not an obstacle) that in countries with a victorious constitutional system and a developed economy, our aspirations are so highly valued. It is even encouraging.

By the way, the silence of our Belarusian and Israeli readers is surprising. Truth.

Now let's go over the issues.

Yes, the streets of the cities have changed somewhat due to the pandemic. Advertising on billboards has almost disappeared, which, in general, is logical. What kind of advertising can be in conditions when everything is closed?

But the posters from the Central Election Commission filled the space, explaining how important it is for us to come to the polling stations on July 1. A very correct application of budget money, since every citizen should at least once a day see the call. And imbued with consciousness.

Calls, frankly, bring nothing new. All the same principle, "Vote or lose."

Either the Constitution, or the Russian language will be banned, they will throw out all domestic animals onto the street, they will burn the books of Pushkin, Gogol, Chekhov ...

Who will do all this is not entirely clear, apparently, all the same Dark Lord, buggers and liberals.

That's about the liberals I want to talk about.

So, here is the call to protect the memory of the ancestors.

In general, of course, is another masterpiece from brainless managers acting on someone’s orders. It is completely incomprehensible, and here the girl and the memory of the ancestors. Either the girl will not be allowed to remember her ancestors, or to lay flowers somewhere. Or to put on a uniform from times of the Great Patriotic War?

It is completely incomprehensible.

Well, if anyone is guilty of distortion historical the truth, the prevention of which President Putin spoke so well, is ... the Ministry of Culture, which deals only with this.

Under the heading “Military film fan”, we discussed almost all the slag that has been thrown onto the screens lately. List ... And what is the list? It’s easier to say that for 10 years there has been ONE film, which can be called a film. "28 Panfilov Heroes." Everything else - low-quality and unscrupulous "unsubstantiated" on a military theme.

For example, "To Paris." Filmets, where the real person who fought and won was shown as the person who received the medal for a bribe. And I did not pull it at all, it was in the film. The real person was slandered, just like that. In the name of the script and earnings.

"T-34", "Tanks”,“ Invincible ”,“ Hitler Kaput ”,“ Burnt by the Sun ”,“ Stalingrad ”,“ Shtrafbat ”,“ Bastards ”- you can continue to infinity. A series of mediocre and deceitful films is planned for infinity. And, apparently, it will come nearer to the figure of 1418, so that there is “creation” for every day.

Yes, isn't Putin talking about this? Is this not a distortion of history?

Distortion. Unless the so-called double standards policy blooms in terry colors. That is, if the Ukrainians say that the Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz, since the front was Ukrainian, this, of course, is a violation and distortion. And if a Russian citizen shoots here, a drunk general sends a crowd into the attack (to call this unit the language doesn’t turn), armed with shovel cuttings ...

No, this is not a distortion. This is reality. This is so gentlemen liberals deign to show the truth.

Now think about it. There is a mediocre screenwriter and a mediocre director. Which took and "pile" something terrible once again. But before starting the entire machine to shoot a film, the scriptwriter and director are required to present their "masterpiece" to various authorities.

And what about the authorities? But nothing. Judging by what appears on the screens, exactly the same gentlemen are sitting in the courts.

So, what kind of chain are we drawing?

Budget. It is formed by the Russian government, say the State Duma, the Federation Council and the president. And then the distribution begins according to the approved articles on the performers. That is, the ministries.

In our case, the Ministry of Culture. In which there is a cinematography department, which consists of three departments that are engaged in government support for the production, promotion and distribution of national films. All gaming, non-gaming, animated.

Here, it turns out, the nest. Where they quietly and do what we see on the screens.

But I'm sorry, but where do these people get into the nest? Are they coming from the street? Or send from the State Department? Well, yes, they drop them by parachute ...

No, the prime minister appoints the minister and the president approves. The Minister appoints the heads of departments and further down the career ladder.

That is kind of like their own. No, you can, of course, push the enemy into the office, but not the entire ministry, right?

And screenwriters bring scripts, they are (possibly) read, even (probably) discussed. People appointed by the person appointed by the president and prime minister. But in the end, the screen is full of garbage.

And who is to blame? Enemies? State Department? The Dark Lord Bulk?

Well, the funny thing: so from whom should the memory of the ancestors be protected? Apparently, just from the above company. From scriptwriters and directors to the Minister of Culture.

It’s just a little incomprehensible why, in order to rake our completely cultureless ministry of culture, we need to prescribe the concern for memory in the Constitution.

Doesn't work without it?

And the second conclusion is outlined. It turns out that if something is not prescribed in the Constitution, is that all? Nobody is going to work according to federal laws? The reason for idleness, so to speak?

Everything is very peculiar. I personally don’t care if the Constitution says about the memory of ancestors or not. I honor and respect both my own and aliens (although what strangers they are to me) soldiers and officers of that war. And I will do it to the end.

And the one who wanted to spit on history, because it will be in the Constitution, what not ... Anyway, such a person will have a “Citadel” or something like that. Or complete indifference.

But this is how it turns out that the amendment about rewriting history seems to be directed against those who are rewriting it, but here's the problem: they are doing this in government positions and at the expense of budget money.

The situation is funny and sad at the same time. But, as one of the characters in the feature film said, the shame cannot be covered with shame. And an amendment to the Constitution does not stop the cultureless nightmare that our Ministry of Culture creates.

For our money, by the way, rewriting history and spat on the heroes of World War II.

Vladimir Vladimirovich seems to be talking, but there’s nothing further than words ... They shot and do porn films. The mausoleum with colored plywood was both closed and closed. Etc.

And what does the Basic Law have to do with it ... As another literary hero Bulgakov said, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads.
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  1. +95
    16 June 2020 15: 09
    Vladimir Vladimirovich generally spoke very much and beautifully all these 20 years. But only with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of one’s words - to put it mildly, it’s somehow not very ... To put it mildly .. Some of his promises are quite inconvenient to remember ..
    1. +62
      16 June 2020 15: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      Vladimir Vladimirovich generally spoke very much and beautifully all these 20 years.

      If there is some kind of the highest rank in boltology, then the nullification can rightfully appropriate it to itself.
      Quote: paul3390
      But only with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of one’s words - to put it mildly, somehow it’s not very ... This is to say the least ..

      Most of his words initially did not involve any action. This is just hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is the highest form of lies.
      Roman Skomorokhov is grateful for his voice of truth in this ocean of lies and hypocrisy on the part of state propagandahi.
      Zeroing - indelible shame and shame of Putin and his lackeys from в edra.
      1. +30
        16 June 2020 15: 33
        What is the name to vote for? See how pathetic and ridiculous the "initiator" is. Specialists of the highest category should listen to it ... However, you yourself accurately determine the specialization.


        Roman Skomorokhov is grateful for his voice of truth in this ocean of lies and hypocrisy by the state

        I fully support! Roman, thank you and my respect! good
        1. +20
          16 June 2020 20: 17
          Quote: lexus
          I fully support! Roman, thank you and my respect!

          I join the sane and of course support!
          Well, the funny thing: so from whom should the memory of the ancestors be protected? Apparently, just from the above company. From scriptwriters and directors to the Minister of Culture.

          Here it should be added that this company, roofing felts degrades, roofing felts already shamelessly spits on "voters", what nonsense they say in advertising, for voting on amendments .. this is some kind of obscurantism ..
      2. -21
        16 June 2020 17: 35
        Funny people ... you can arise as much as you like, but you have no power. Humble yourself.
        1. +46
          16 June 2020 17: 53
          Quote: Civil
          you can arise as much as you like, but you have no power. Humble yourself.

          I will even say more, power does not belong to the people at all. She was seized by a handful of people in 1991. The composition of this group and their nationality are very interesting. Well, okay, you can write a whole book about them, but now we will not talk about it.
          Quote: Civil
          Humble yourself.
          And here you can’t wait for figushkiangry Lies can and necessary call a lie, and evil - evil. Remember the story. Until 1917, no one could have imagined that someday the people would be able to take power into their own hands, by force taking it from the oppressors, who covered themselves with the cross and the name of God, who drank human blood for many centuries. But this happened and this, as they say, is a medical fact. If we compare the current enslavers with the past, then the advantage will clearly not be on the side of the former. And the people well remember the precedent. So, dear Civilian, laugh while you are laughing, only how much rope you can’t curl ...
          1. -15
            16 June 2020 17: 55
            When in Russia the power belonged to the people, can I find out? Unless during the time of the Novgorod veche.
            1. +7
              16 June 2020 18: 04
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Unless during the time of the Novgorod veche.

              Also not to the people.
            2. +25
              16 June 2020 19: 58
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              When in Russia the power belonged to the people, can I find out?

              It was closest to the people during Stalin. wink
              1. +11
                17 June 2020 09: 12
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                It was closest to the people during Stalin.

                on the side of Stalin was the dream of freedom and equality instilled in the people by the Bolsheviks, and now the people are sick with consumerism. Now even Stalin would have been more difficult than then
              2. +1
                17 June 2020 13: 03
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                When in Russia the power belonged to the people, can I find out?

                It was closest to the people during Stalin. wink

                That is, starting with Khrushchev, power completely diverged from the people. ???? Strong...
                That is, in order for the government to be with the people, Stalin must be photocopied; And even the presence of the Politburo-consisting of communists does not save ????
                And why do we need such socialism - if for example Gorbachev comes to power ??? Or EBN ????
                1. +7
                  17 June 2020 17: 46
                  It all began with the Khrushchev, and double standards and opportunists, cunning robots, crawled out to the top. Yes, under Stalin, too, they were, but in lesser numbers and scattered at night from each rustle.
                2. 0
                  17 June 2020 22: 16
                  Quote: your1970
                  And why do we need such socialism - if for example Gorbachev comes to power ???

                  You either deliberately blunt, or ..... bully The option of degenerates coming to power is possible with any form of government, but with democracy (especially in conjunction with the oligarchy) this option is almost inevitable.
                  I will repeat it for the tenth time for those especially gifted or unforgettable - personally, I consider monarchism to be a form of power when even degenerate royal persons care a little about the state in which they will pass the country on to their inheritance.
                  But since the return of the monarchy at the moment is not possible, it is necessary to return those forms of power in which the country flourished, rather than degraded. Those. socialism.
                  1. -3
                    18 June 2020 08: 09
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    need to return those forms of power under which the country flourished, rather than degraded. Those. socialism.

                    Then knock on a tambourine to a companion who wrote here it
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    It was closest to the people during Stalin.

                    Because form of government under Khrushchev / Brezhnev / Andropov / Chernenko / Gorbachev- remained unchangedexactly the same as under Stalin.
                    And if, after the death of Stalin, the system began to work in the opinion of this comrade worse - with all the other constant characteristics, this suggests that - Stalin was a high-quality tsar / leader / general secretary, and all the rest were low-quality semi-finished products.
                    Moreover, this means that the system in the USSR turned out to be UNABLE constantly put forward high-quality leaders. ....
                    In our country, this has twice led to the collapse and collapse of the country over the past 100 years ....

                    Z. Y. In the USSR, for such speeches, you would definitely get into the section "Evil anti-Soviet" - you prevail the role of the leader over the role of the party
        2. +11
          16 June 2020 22: 30
          Quote: Civil
          Funny people ... you can arise as much as you like, but you have no power.

          Everything flows and everything changes.
          If you sit on the mountain for a long time, then the river will carry the corpse of your enemy by.
          How many rope does not curl, all the same the end will be
          And many, many other proverbs
          1. +5
            17 June 2020 06: 50
            True only in that case. If your enemy sits on the same mountain and upstream. In other cases, waiting for a passing corpse is useless.
      3. 0
        17 June 2020 17: 40
        Cyril, or something better. ...... His church also relies on folk money, like all the other Crimeans, Gazprom, etc.
      4. 0
        18 June 2020 17: 36
        Interesting thoughts. But what about the church itself then?
    2. +28
      16 June 2020 15: 26
      another masterpiece from brainless managers

      to put it mildly

      Today I took my father to the veteran clinic and, once again, was convinced of this. A young pacifier with botox lips and boobs adjusted as% of attendance and support was brought to agitate the medical staff for "zeroing". A clear, so to speak, manual of what we are offered to "vote" for. You can't figure it out on purpose.
      1. +25
        16 June 2020 16: 05
        Today drove his father to a veteran clinic

        Hi Alexey!
        I won’t say for interest and breasts ... About an hour and a half ago there was a queue at the post office - well, there, one and a half meters and all that. A lady passes by the queue ... with the symbols of this social movement:
        http://rusnod.ru/
        concession goals (from their site!): Goals GCD: The Liberation of the Russian Federation from US Colonial Dependence by Restoring Sovereignty through a Constitutional Referendum.
        Well, something there the lady said to the staff, then she left, I did not listen.
        Colleagues, has anyone ever played computer strategies? The Brotherhood of NOD, it turns out, blooms and smells! laughing and the main thing in it is clearly Mr. Kane! wassat

        Colleagues, we live in a very interesting time! request most importantly, then do not wash your snot .... what
        1. +19
          16 June 2020 16: 10
          Kane, unlike Fedorov, was ideological people who actually fought for their views and for the peoples of the earth
          1. +20
            16 June 2020 16: 12
            Kane, unlike Fedorov, was ideological people who actually fought for their views and for the peoples of the earth

            well, these slogan on the t-shirt was like "for the Motherland, for the Guarantor" (The guarantor was named by last name). wink
            1. +13
              16 June 2020 16: 25
              well, and these had a slogan on their T-shirts like "for the Motherland, for the Guarantor"

              Nikolay, hello! On that young lady, in the clinic, the "guarantor" with the slogan looked very dull against the background of "amendments" of the 3rd size. laughing
              1. +27
                16 June 2020 16: 37
                On that young lady, in the clinic, the "guarantor" with the slogan looked very dull against the background of "amendments" of the 3rd size.

                Alexey, this is not an amendment, this is an addition! drinks there could have been an eighth, but the budget was not enough - the remnants left on the lips! request
                1. +18
                  16 June 2020 16: 48
                  but the budget was not enough

                  I estimate, and such "tuning in a circle" has sucked more money than one "middle class" unit per year, according to Mr. PZh, is due.
                  1. +19
                    16 June 2020 16: 55
                    according to Mr. RJ, due.

                    unit "middle class" - patsaku? laughing So patsaki chatlanam sat on their heads! laughing
                    1. +21
                      16 June 2020 17: 29
                      So patsaki chatlanam sat on their heads!

                      You will sit down with ours ... Until all the ketsu are cleaned up, they will not calm down. What a performance they want to roll for this. A lifelong etsikh with nails and a tranclucator cry for them. "Kin-Dza-Dza!" - a prophetic film.
                      1. +25
                        16 June 2020 17: 36
                        Until all the kets are raked, they will not calm down.

                        In! They remembered at the same time! good Cult phrase: "The order of Mr. PeZhe: all the boys put on muzzles! And rejoice!" drinks and what is wrong? wink
        2. +10
          16 June 2020 16: 29
          In 1991 already washed!
        3. +10
          16 June 2020 20: 18
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          Colleagues, we live in a very interesting time! most importantly, then do not wash your snot ....

          So already started to wash .. but the most interesting of course is ahead ..
      2. -3
        17 June 2020 20: 03
        Quote: lexus
        Today he drove his father to a veteran clinic and,

        Alex, why are you father in the vet? recourse
    3. +17
      16 June 2020 15: 27
      Quote: paul3390
      But only with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of one’s words - to put it mildly, somehow it’s not very ... This is to say the least ..

      Well, strictly speaking, he did sooooo much for his friends.
      1. +13
        16 June 2020 15: 38
        he did sooooo much for his friends.

        And I didn’t forget about myself. As I see, I immediately remember.


        In "edre"
        "All are equal, as if on selection ..." (C) "The Tale of Tsar Saltan", A.S. Pushkin

        Only in the name of the "fairytale king" an extra letter. wink
        1. +11
          16 June 2020 15: 45
          Quote: lexus
          And I didn’t forget about myself.

          Unfortunately, in the minds of scrapers, subordinates can steal more than their boss, they are children.
    4. +61
      16 June 2020 15: 41
      Some sayings of Vladimir Vladimirovich:
      2003g. "The very process of amending the Constitution is a destabilizing factor."
      2004g. “We must take good care of the Constitution of our country, not allow it to be changed to the taste of those people who are currently in power.".
      2005g. "If each new head of state changes the Constitution for himself, then soon nothing will be left of this state."
      2007g. "Changing the Constitution for a specific person, even if I absolutely trust him, I consider it incorrect"
      So let's listen to the opinion of the president.
      1. +26
        16 June 2020 16: 37
        If Himself allows you to rape the Basic Law, what can we say about others subordinate to him ?!
      2. +45
        16 June 2020 16: 52
        Gentlemen minusers - zaputintsy! In your opinion, the president did not say that? So refute your All.
      3. +25
        16 June 2020 17: 03
        Quote: AK1972
        Some sayings of Vladimir Vladimirovich:

        It’s even become a little interesting to me who it is that so desperately minuses you: the Zaputinians for incriminating the leader in a lie, the anti-Putiners for a small number of examples, or the pink-eyed goofies from a big mind?
      4. +15
        16 June 2020 22: 35
        Quote: AK1972
        So let's listen to the opinion of the president.

        And expect action from the contrary! They said that the deposits will not freeze, then they will definitely freeze. They said that the ruble is not in danger, then it will fly into space. Well, we need to prepare and believe in the best.
        1. 0
          18 June 2020 21: 51
          a little at the wrong time, but the meaning has not changed -
    5. -24
      16 June 2020 16: 16
      Quote: paul3390
      Vladimir Vladimirovich generally spoke very much and beautifully all these 20 years. But only with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of one’s words - to put it mildly, it’s somehow not very ... To put it mildly .. Some of his promises are quite inconvenient to remember ..

      It seems that the author of the article in righteous anger could not appreciate the useful essence of the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular, in the issue of protecting history.
      Indeed, before and now, as the director, screenwriter or actor responds to the claims made to him about the inconsistency of his "film masterpiece" with historical facts or the generally accepted position on the events of history - "I am a creative person (or a free artist) and with my film I expressed my idea of described event, and you and the audience as a whole have not yet matured (or are not able to understand) the beauty of my fantasy. " And that's all. All were "washed". The participants in those events were offended. The spectator consumed the bullshit, and the "creative" team was awarded prizes and titles for the anniversary.
      Now, as it seems to me, any concerned spectator and resident of our country can sue and demand that such films be recognized as not historical, since they distort history, for example, fantasy films or thrash films, where you can absolutely with impunity shoot nonsense and flog the complete nonsense, and not advertise from the central channels about the beginning of the screening of a very, very truthful film about our history.
      So there is a rational link in the amendments and refusing to participate in the vote on them seems to me short-sighted.
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      2. +15
        16 June 2020 19: 18
        Quote: credo
        Now, as it seems to me, any concerned spectator and resident of our country can sue and demand

        It is so sincerely naive and sweet that even the desire to thank you for this belief in the good. But, going down to the earth, it seems that you yourself do not believe what you say.
        1. -10
          16 June 2020 19: 45
          Quote: Nikolay87
          It is so sincerely naive and sweet that even the desire to thank you for this belief in the good. But, going down to the earth, it seems that you yourself do not believe what you say.

          Well, you, I sincerely believe in what I wrote and do not suffer from naivety, but I consider the referendum a useful event.
          Of course, you can take the author’s point of view or, for example, Panfilova’s position, which stated that since the legislative assemblies of the regions approved the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it is not necessary to hold a referendum, but you can go to the polling station and express your position and see the voting results. Everyone solves this issue independently.
          1. +13
            16 June 2020 20: 04
            Quote: credo
            and I consider the referendum a useful event.

            And what is the usefulness of spending public funds on voting on amendments already de jure adopted? belay
            1. -13
              16 June 2020 20: 13
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: credo
              and I consider the referendum a useful event.

              And what is the usefulness of spending public funds on voting on amendments already de jure adopted? belay

              Usefulness lies in knowing the opinion of the country's population on the proposed amendments. And this knowledge is no less important for the population to know than the authorities themselves.
              1. +20
                16 June 2020 20: 55
                Quote: credo
                Usefulness lies in knowing the opinion of the country's population on the proposed amendments.

                Are you seriously? belay And to see precisely because of the thirst to learn the opinion of the population, the government spends billions on advertising all amendments, bypassing one for which it was all about? wassat
                Why the mention in the constitution of the family when there is a family code? Why the vague amendment about the language, when the first persons of the state through the word insert Anglicism? What is the mention of pension? fool Do you really believe in all this, or on a salary?
                1. -9
                  16 June 2020 21: 32
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: credo
                  Usefulness lies in knowing the opinion of the country's population on the proposed amendments.

                  Are you seriously? belay And to see precisely because of the thirst to learn the opinion of the population, the government spends billions on advertising all amendments, bypassing one for which it was all about? wassat
                  Why the mention in the constitution of the family when there is a family code? Why the vague amendment about the language, when the first persons of the state through the word insert Anglicism? What is the mention of pension? fool Do you really believe in all this, or on a salary?

                  As the saying goes - "After a fight, they don't wave their fists."
                  Writing angry panegyrics about the uselessness of the referendum was necessary not two weeks before its holding, but immediately after the decision to hold it.
                  Well, what was it that everyone disagreed with this event:
                  - set up a website on the Internet and start collecting signatures for refusing an all-Russian referendum under the slogan - "You are there for the bar to decide what is needed and what should not be included in the Constitution, only do not hold a referendum and do not spend money on it",
                  - remind the authorities that in the state a lot of unresolved problems and funds must first be spent on their elimination,
                  - remember the history and state that the Constitution appeared only in the 20th century and there is no special need for it,
                  - remind the authorities that some of the so-called "civilized" countries still do not have a basic law and live well without suffering from its absence,
                  - and so on and so forth.
                  1. +15
                    16 June 2020 22: 40
                    Quote: credo
                    start a website on the Internet and start collecting signatures for rejecting the all-Russian referendum under the slogan

                    What other referendum? How many times should Panfilova explain to you that voting is not a referendum?
                    Quote: credo
                    You decide there yourself what you need and what you don’t need to bring to the Constitution

                    Uh, no, the logic is completely different.
                  2. +1
                    18 June 2020 22: 07
                    "Write angry eulogies about the uselessness of the referendum"
                    and where do you see the referendum? it's just self-voting, for nothing, and for nothing. the amendments have already been adopted, aren't they? as self-isolation, for example
                2. +2
                  17 June 2020 16: 43
                  God! What a pitiful argument, like: "Let's build kindergartens instead of tanks." Just by the way you started talking about the state millions in you, you can assume a professional worker in the field of propaganda.
                  1. +2
                    17 June 2020 22: 06
                    Quote: WertGan
                    "Let's build kindergartens instead of tanks."

                    What are you talking about? What mythical choice between tanks and kindergartens? fool There is neither one nor the other, there is an advertisement for delirium in the name of delirium, if only this delirium allowed the powers that be to chop loot.
            2. -3
              18 June 2020 00: 40
              If you really do not understand, and do not just fool the readers' heads, then I can explain. Amendments adopted by the Duma, such as the integrity of territories, the preservation of history, the presumption of a constitution over "international law", etc., can also be quietly canceled by the Duma, while those adopted by a popular vote cannot be quietly canceled. And what to rest against zeroing, even if Putin puts forward his candidacy at 24, which is not a fact, vote against who is stopping you. But how all the fosterlings of the State Department boiled, it's already nice to see. And yes, Navalny is a mongrel. The "liberals" in question are Nabiulina, Gref, Siluanov, Voloshin, the entire structure of the economic bloc of the government formed under Yeltsin, and supported by a very powerful resource, both financial in the person of the privatizers of the 90s, and political in the person of the FRS structures and subordinates her structures.
              1. 0
                18 June 2020 22: 17
                "And why bother about zeroing, even if Putin nominates himself in 24, which is not a fact, vote against who is stopping you"
                well, they voted all this time "against", but apparently, "for", they thought better
                "The" Liberals "in question are Nabiulina, Gref, Siluanov" - these people came to power under Putin, and were appointed to their posts with the consent of the president. By the way, Yeltsin appointed Putin too, if you don't know
                1. -2
                  18 June 2020 23: 17
                  Many came to power before Putin, an example of Voloshin. Even those appointed by Putin, the example of Nabiulin, represent certain forces that came to power before Putin too, read the end of my previous comment, I understand that there are many letters, but read to the end. And Putin, in 2000, came to the finished structure, look at how Trump is now fighting with his deep state, and he has more resources than Putin even now, not to mention the year 2000.
                  1. +1
                    21 June 2020 18: 59
                    "And Putin, in 2000 came to a ready-made structure, look at how Trump is now at war with his deep state, and he has more resources than Putin."
                    Trump 4 years at the helm, and Putin is already 20. There is a slight difference, is not it? and Trump is at war, and Putin is speaking only in the colloquial genre, but he’s already tired, he has been voicing the same thing for 20 years. by golly, even Petrosyan already has more interesting texts
                    1. 0
                      22 June 2020 20: 18
                      Firstly, in Russian, last names are capitalized, even if you personally do not like the person.
                      Secondly, as I wrote above, Trump has a much greater resource, he is fighting his "deep state" working for the Fed, and Putin is forced to fight his "deep state", which is henchmen and executors of the US "deep state" to which he directly cannot act at all.
                      As someone smart said: the art of politics is to pet the dog until a muzzle is made.
                      1. 0
                        23 June 2020 17: 40
                        "Firstly, in Russian, surnames are written with a capital letter,"
                        if it will be easier for you, consider that I do not know Russian.
                        be that as it may, but in 20 years something could have been done in the struggle "with his" deep state "being the protégés and executors of the" deep state "of the United States, which he cannot directly influence at all." the very vertical of power that he has been building with such diligence all these years. and what kind of head of state and patriot of his country is he if he cannot (or does not want) to fight those who harm the country he rules and the people he supposedly serves and guarantees something there
                      2. 0
                        23 June 2020 23: 20
                        It would be easier for me if all Russian people knew Russian.
                        Much has been done in 20 years.
                        If very large strokes, then:
                        - separatism was eliminated and regional laws were brought into line with federal laws,
                        - predatory production sharing agreements were terminated, according to which all revenues from oil and gas went to foreign companies,
                        - the combat readiness of the army was restored,
                        - the defense industry was largely restored,
                        - oligarchs such as Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, etc. removed from power
                        - the most odious "liberals" have been removed from the government, and some who are already in prison, not many of course, but not all at once,
                        - returned the Crimea,
                        - built a bridge,
                        - regained weight in international politics, I think that what NATO arranged in Yugoslavia would not have passed now
                        Well, that first came to mind and no need to confirm with numbers.
                      3. 0
                        24 June 2020 18: 49
                        "If in very large strokes, then:
                        - separatism was eliminated and the regional laws were brought in line with federal laws "
                        Have you heard about Sharia law in Chechnya? and about nationalism in the Tatars? on the compulsory study of the Tatar language by all students, and those for whom the Tatar language is not native. now they stuck on them, and they fell silent a little, but this is not the first time there, and not the last
                        "extortionate production-sharing agreements, according to which all oil and gas revenues went to foreign companies, were terminated"
                        so right and everything is dissolved? Have you read the lists of beneficiaries, at least in Gazprom and Rosneft? and why should they share products?
                        "oligarchs like Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, etc. have been removed from power"
                        and warmed new ones - millers, sechins, patrushevs, gulls, and many others, they have no numbers
                        "regained weight in international politics"
                        yourself not funny? about the Crimea, the bridge, and the OPK already wrote, I do not want to repeat
                      4. 0
                        24 June 2020 22: 11
                        Yes, in Tatarstan, everything is not perfect, but 2000 it was a question of secession; in Chechnya, Sharia laws operate at the level of tradition, and not at the level of written laws.
                        Read about the "production sharing agreements", the budget did not receive anything on them at all, I will not argue about the current beneficiaries because there is no exact information at hand, and everything else is shaking the air.
                        The influence of the Millers and the Sechins with the position of the same Berezovsky, who put the presidents at all, is not comparable, and by the way they are not even owners, but highly paid managers.
                        About weight in international politics is not funny, Merkel in one of her speeches said that her goal is to raise the prestige of Germany to the level of heavyweights - the USA, Russia and China, but Merkel is not your authority for you, you know better.
                        About the rest, do not want to repeat, tell me where to read, it is impossible to shovel all the comments.
                2. 0
                  18 June 2020 23: 21
                  And by the way, do not assume that the majority opinion may differ from yours, no? Only better considered?
          2. +5
            17 June 2020 09: 40
            This is not a referendum.
            1. +1
              18 June 2020 23: 22
              This is not a referendum, but also a plebiscite option, and it simply cannot be ignored.
      3. +4
        16 June 2020 19: 33
        the essence of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular, in the issue of protecting history


        How can you defend what is not? The history must first be written. Three (if memory serves) multivolume editions about the Great Patriotic War. Khrushchev won in one, and Stalin won, about nothing. In another, the main operation is the landing on Novaya Zemlya. In the third, the people won in general (how many people, so many opinions). And you begin to delve into: here they lied, here they embellished, this one was slandered, that, on the contrary, was exalted. And about the reasons for the retreat to Moscow and millions of our prisoners in general in a few paragraphs - "planning errors" or something like that. Wow, mistakes. Where is the detailed analysis of the "flights"? Netuti. But even some eyewitnesses are still alive. What can we say about the times of the Mongol-Tatar invasion. Every ruler wrote / rewrote history for himself. Exalting their own merits, belittling others.
      4. +4
        16 June 2020 21: 01
        Quote: credo
        So there is a rational link in the amendments and refusing to participate in the vote on them seems to me short-sighted.

        a "package" of 206 amendments to Article 41 has been put up for a referendum. yes or no for the whole package.
        so as not to walk twice.
        I did not master all the amendments, I repent but made one interesting:

        On March 10, 2020, a discussion of the amendments took place as part of the second reading of the State Duma. The amendments finally affected forty-one articles of the Constitution from the 3rd to the 8th chapter. An amendment of a deputy from United Russia, Alexander Karelin, on the snap election of the State Duma in 2020 was also proposed. The deputy from the "United Russia" Valentina Tereshkova proposed to abolish the restrictions on the number of presidential terms ...
      5. -12
        16 June 2020 21: 27
        It seems that the author of the article in righteous anger could not appreciate the useful essence of the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular, in the issue of protecting history

        Or maybe just the opposite: I was able to evaluate the useful essence of the amendments. bully
        Maybe it (or them) is this utility and scares?
        1. +1
          18 June 2020 00: 43
          No, I probably couldn’t, dear author, I don’t want to think about him very badly.
      6. +10
        16 June 2020 22: 37
        Quote: credo
        any concerned spectator and resident of our country can sue and demand

        And what or who is stopping you from doing this now? True, "telephone law" has not been canceled
      7. +2
        17 June 2020 10: 06
        So there is a rational link in the amendments and refuse to vote it seems to me short-sighted.
        You can not refuse to participate .. The question is how to vote ..
        And with regards to "rational grain" .. Who will vote to give him a barrel of honey with a couple of cow cakes for dinner ??
      8. +2
        17 June 2020 20: 50
        Quote: credo
        Quote: paul3390
        Vladimir Vladimirovich generally spoke very much and beautifully all these 20 years. But only with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of one’s words - to put it mildly, it’s somehow not very ... To put it mildly .. Some of his promises are quite inconvenient to remember ..

        It seems that the author of the article in righteous anger could not appreciate the useful essence of the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular, in the issue of protecting history.
        Indeed, before and now, as the director, screenwriter or actor responds to the claims made to him about the inconsistency of his "film masterpiece" with historical facts or the generally accepted position on the events of history - "I am a creative person (or a free artist) and with my film I expressed my idea of described event, and you and the audience as a whole have not yet matured (or are not able to understand) the beauty of my fantasy. " And that's all. All were "washed". The participants in those events were offended. The spectator consumed the bullshit, and the "creative" team was awarded prizes and titles for the anniversary.
        Now, as it seems to me, any concerned spectator and resident of our country can sue and demand that such films be recognized as not historical, since they distort history, for example, fantasy films or thrash films, where you can absolutely with impunity shoot nonsense and flog the complete nonsense, and not advertise from the central channels about the beginning of the screening of a very, very truthful film about our history.
        So there is a rational link in the amendments and refusing to participate in the vote on them seems to me short-sighted.

        A couple of comments, colleague. Maybe in the amendments there is a rational link, and maybe even a grain, but well:
        1. amendments, as you know, go in one ONE multi-volume package, and
        2. What prevents, without violating the Constitution, establishing a screen for historical lies? Is it the creation of artistic councils, or even a censorship committee? Although the introduction of an article in the Criminal Code (all is easier than to mutilate the Constitution)?
        3. And even simpler, if the bullshit (especially the mean bullshit) was withdrawn with budget money, obligate to return this money, and if it is impossible (incredible poverty) to excommunicate from the profession - by a court decision (ordinary, non-constitutional)?
        4. And in any case, do not unwind the shot at the federal TV channels.
      9. 0
        18 June 2020 22: 02
        "Now, as it seems to me, any interested spectator and resident of our country can file a lawsuit and demand that such films be recognized as not historical, since they distort history."
        Well, if you file a lawsuit, and what? Will all the judges drop everything and start working on your claim? wait a couple of years ,, trains in different cities where these courts will take place, listen, once again, the defendant did not appear, the court is postponed to, etc. and you will understand that the court is not for you. even if you write in the constitution, prohibit the directors f. and m. to make films about the war, they will shoot them anyway and the Ministry of Culture will release them. well, maybe later, they will find a "drunk boy" and you will pay the legal costs, naive Chukchi boy
    6. +27
      16 June 2020 16: 40
      Quote: paul3390
      Vladimir Vladimirovich generally spoke very much and beautifully all these 20 years. That's just with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of their words - to put it mildly, somehow not very ...

      Not for that, he climbed to the top to work. Yes, and if you think about it? Here you tryndy on the camera, in eltsin cent you will drag a broom, with flying cranks you will fly, forces and all. Are over. Have a conscience. Do not demand the impossible from your grandfather, he is already tired as much as he has promised you everything, and all is not enough for you.
    7. -16
      16 June 2020 17: 47
      Exactly, this applies especially to cartoons, and the Crimean bridge, and apartments for military personnel, and roads for various purposes, and agriculture, and most importantly the army, what was it like during the first Chechen one and what is now, and much, much more, about which already and do not remember. Not immediately Moscow was built.
      Well, you and Roma are still those patriots, you would only have to draw figs on the stove.
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          1. -21
            16 June 2020 19: 44
            That is, we live worse than 20 years ago? Oh well. You yourself then lived in the 90s or chicken memory? Then there really was a seam, now - minor troubles.
            1. +20
              16 June 2020 20: 12
              That is, we live worse than 20 years ago?

              A worn-out record. They have been in power for almost 30 years. Or will you deny that the "blue fight" brought the current one by the hand to the Kremlin with a "dog"? Another would be compared with the Middle Ages. Why not from the 60s and 70s of the last century? However, who am I ...

              or chicken memory

              Rudeness, it is not from a great mind. Everything is clear - finish cocking.
              1. -12
                16 June 2020 20: 26
                Borya - the wizard certainly didn’t bring anyone. From such posts we either leave on a gun carriage or leave them at our urgent request. And who was there with whom - it doesn’t matter when Stalin and Trotsky were in the same boat. A record hackneyed, for the obvious.
              2. -1
                18 June 2020 00: 56
                Putin to the Kremlin, as you put it, "led" so that Russia would collapse under him, and Borya remained clean. Remember the Hosavyurt agreement, there remained weeks until the end of the transition period, and after free Ichkeria, followed by Tatarstan, Siberia already had its own money printed, did you hear anything about an independent Karelia with its capital in St. Petersburg? But Putin managed to save it.
            2. +13
              16 June 2020 20: 50
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              That is, we live worse than 20 years ago? Oh well. You yourself lived in the 90s

              The "fat" 20s began 2000 years ago. Why are you so inaccurate with the main "trump card" against the criticism of GDP, are you addressing? And why do you have a starting point for well-being not here and now - in comparison with developed countries, but in the notorious 90s? Maybe because:
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              dung flies, surrounding excrement, are not able to see anything in principle.
            3. +18
              16 June 2020 22: 40
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              That is, we live worse than 20 years ago? Oh well. You yourself then lived in the 90s or chicken memory?

              What is so shallow deepened? Pechenegs and Polovtsy remember, the comparison will be amazing laughing
              1. -2
                17 June 2020 08: 31
                So I compare the GDP not with Ivan the Terrible and not with Vladimir the Red Sun, but with its immediate predecessor. Nowhere closer.
          2. +1
            17 June 2020 09: 38
            These are especially close flies wassat
      2. +12
        16 June 2020 18: 11
        "and the Crimean bridge"
        Explain to me the purpose of building this bridge, the enrichment of rotenberg? rewarding him with a hero’s star? or what? what gave this bridge to the residents of the Crimea and all of Russia? the opportunity to go to rest in the Crimea? if desired, we also traveled by ferry, all the more so the prices for the engine are not very humane. price reduction on the peninsula, compared with the Krasnodar Territory due to the simplification of logistics? it didn’t work out, the local traders were not asleep. what else, well, besides simplifying the supply of the Black Sea Fleet?
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 18: 16
          Understand, over time, but for the Black Sea Fleet and for the grouping of troops is this really unimportant?
          1. +13
            16 June 2020 20: 47
            Quote: Ros 56
            but for the Black Sea Fleet and for the grouping of troops is this really unimportant?

            Pendosy in WWII supplied their group in Normandy by sea, and quite successfully. wink
            But seriously, a land connection with the Crimea is needed, but questions arise - Why did the cost of the bridge at times exceed the estimates? Estimators poorly calculated or stolen?
            1. -2
              18 June 2020 00: 48
              Is it possible to proof the estimate?
              1. +1
                18 June 2020 07: 24
                INFA in the public domain.
                1. 0
                  22 June 2020 20: 09
                  For example, in open access, I heard that he not only did not overspended, but even saved, no matter how strange it sounds, so if you gave specific numbers and links to sources, I would be very grateful.
          2. +3
            17 June 2020 10: 19
            Over time, maybe you yourself will understand everything ..
          3. +1
            17 June 2020 16: 21
            "In time you will understand,"
            You probably all understood a long time ago when your curators explained to you. don’t take people as stupid as you usually get exactly the opposite
            "But for the Black Sea Fleet and for the grouping of troops, is it really not important?"
            for that price? it would be cheaper to carry by air, or by taxi
            1. -4
              17 June 2020 16: 53
              Of you, an economist, like a dung bullet. And as for the curators in more detail, this is who and where and how do you know about them, you can clearly communicate closely with them. And then we are not aware of them.
              1. -1
                18 June 2020 21: 43
                "And about the curators in more detail, who and where and how you know about them"
                so from your comments everything is clear, what is there to think further, you specifically assume it, and do not pretend to be a hose, you are not familiar with us. And about dung, I’m not an economist, but I understand the prices better than you, you, I see , you’re only thinking about manure prices. It’s obvious that you’re only hunting with manure in this life.
                1. 0
                  19 June 2020 05: 43
                  Snot for the beginning of the morning, son, and not being rude to adult uncles, if you strained with convolutions.
                  1. +1
                    21 June 2020 18: 54
                    "Snot for a start, wipe your son and not rude to adult uncles, if you strained with convolutions."
                    similarly, kid, but don’t get lost when you need a manure specialist — I'll contact you
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      3. +24
        16 June 2020 19: 45
        Not immediately Moscow was built.


        Sure. I quit in 1997, got an apartment in 2012. Some 15 years. At the court session, I say once: "Resolution of the Deputy Mayor of St. Petersburg No. xxx cannot cancel the requirements of the Law on the Status of Servicemen ..." So the judge smiled and said: "You still remember the constitution." I was almost speechless from surprise. So all and sundry have been wiping and wiping their feet about the "constitution". And it takes years to swallow the dust on the courts! So you can die of old age, waiting for the promised "three months". I turned to a lawyer for help, so she said that no court would take my side and the case was a losing one. He "fought" himself. The result is 15 years.
        1. -4
          16 June 2020 22: 03
          quit in 1997
          So the Federal Law on the "status of military personnel" was adopted on May 27.05.1998, 15. Art. XNUMX and even then it was about a service apartment, that is, during the service.

          But in the red. 28.12/2013. XNUMX we are already talking about providing our own housing or money to purchase housing.
          It turns out you got the apartment before the law came out.
          1. +10
            16 June 2020 22: 26
            It turns out you got the apartment before the law came out.


            "on the basis of the foregoing and guided by the provisions of the RF Law" On the Status of Servicemen ... "No. 4338-1 of January 22.01.1993, XNUMX
            Well, then "On the status of servicemen" dated 27.05.1998/76/13 No. 15-FZ. In accordance with paragraph XNUMX of Art. XNUMX. For health reasons, age limit or org-staff activities should have been provided with housing in the chosen place of residence no later than three months from the date of arrival.
            1. -1
              16 June 2020 22: 54
              Then yes.
              Laws run up against bureaucratic quirks. And quirks often win.
              But not in your case, you seem to have taken them into a 12-year siege.
      4. -3
        16 June 2020 21: 35
        this is especially true of cartoons, and the Crimean bridge, and apartments for military personnel, and roads for various purposes, and agriculture, and most importantly the army, what was it like during the first Chechen one and what is now
        This is what scares them, or rather those who order this music, and more precisely - pay.
        ---
        Won geldings to support Russian NGOs transferred 80 billion rubles for 2018.
        ---
        We see the work of this generosity in social networks and not only in social networks.
      5. -4
        16 June 2020 21: 49
        First, one with the company destroyed and destroyed everything, then his protege restored something - Glory and honor to this gang for all time!
      6. +8
        17 June 2020 10: 17
        And who needs cartoons ??
        What’s the bridge ?? To smear it on bread ?? I traveled to Crimea in 12, and at 17 .. Guess when the prices there were 2 times cheaper ..
        Apartments for military personnel .. and for the rest ?? The whole country in loans and mortgages ..
        Roads for various purposes .. I forgot to add - toll roads .. I can’t reach either the south or Moscow without unfastening a couple of thousand along this road .. every time !!
        Agriculture .. and where is it ?? One truck with milk comes from the fig to the dairy, and two dozen trucks leave. Is this agriculture?
        With the most important thing of the army - with what fright is this the main thing ?? Let's take an interest
        at the Norwegians / Finov / Danes / Germans / Japanese .. New Zealanders, after all .. how hard it is for them to live without a great and powerful army ..
        An army is needed in those cases when you really have something .. And for our middle class with 17 sput, it's like a bodyguard for a homeless person ..
        This army is not for the people, but first of all, to protect these crooks themselves in power .. because they are sitting in their bunker ..
        Not immediately Moscow was built.
        Exactly .. for people to have a pension of at least 500 bucks - you need to reset and reset the centuries 20 .. 20 years, of course, it was not enough ..))
    8. 0
      17 June 2020 10: 06
      Zero))) I have not heard this before
    9. +3
      17 June 2020 12: 13
      Quote: paul3390
      That's just with concrete deeds and the fulfillment of their words - to put it mildly, somehow not very ...

      Well why so! With concrete deeds, he is even very! You just need to be treated with understanding: words and promises are for the population, and actions are for yourself and your friends
    10. +1
      17 June 2020 15: 24
      One "Putin's foot soldier" is worth something. Wah.
    11. -1
      17 June 2020 18: 41
      so you compare it with the 90s when liberals and communists were in control, they almost derailed the whole country, so you and your liberals should go to hell. If Putin did nothing well then you write here in theory you would not have money for this routine
    12. -4
      18 June 2020 06: 52
      He finished the war in Chechnya
      Reduced public debt
      Created a bunch of reserve funds
      He returned the Crimea
      Returned the prestige of Russia as a great power
      He took power from the oligarchs
      Ensured the growth of the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation
      1. +3
        18 June 2020 22: 32
        "Finished the war in Chechnya"
        but still pays tribute to her and recognizes the supremacy of Sharia law over the laws of Russia
        "Reduced the national debt"
        "The Ministry of Finance reported on the increase in the state internal debt of Russia. Over the year, the amount of debt increased by 1,146 trillion rubles, or 18,8 percent: as of January 1, 2018, it reached 7,247 trillion rubles. As of January 1, 2017, the domestic debt was 6,1 trillion rubles. "
        "Created a bunch of reserve funds"
        and where are they, and for what, is it possible in more detail?
        "Returned Crimea"
        Well, he returned, he returned, you can’t argue, but it seems he bought it, and I’m paying for it (see the dollar exchange rate since 2014)
        "Restored the prestige of Russia as a great power
        He took power from the oligarchs
        Provided an increase in the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation "
        well, these are basically your dreams. don’t talk about it, you might be offended
        1. 0
          19 June 2020 07: 10
          here I put you + because you argue, give counterarguments whether they are correct or not, I don’t thank you that you are not a beaten-up shkolota of Mr. Navalny’s supporters who have flooded the resource recently
          She still pays tribute to her and recognizes the supremacy of Sharia law over laws. of Russia
          - https://rosinfostat.ru/dotatsionnye-regiony/ Chechnya is in 4th place and I want to ask the rest, do we also pay tribute?
          "The Ministry of Finance reported on the increase in the state internal debt of Russia. Over the year, the amount of debt increased by 1,146 trillion rubles, or 18,8 percent: as of January 1, 2018, it reached 7,247 trillion rubles. As of January 1, 2017, the domestic debt was 6,1 trillion rubles. "

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Внешний_долг_России как видите из таблицы на 2000 год, 1 января госдолг ▲158,7, а на 2019, 1 июня▲ 51,3 (было 158,7 стало 51,3)
          and where are they, and for what, is it possible in more detail?

          Well, for example, they allowed us to squeeze out during crises, for example, now when the state subsidizes us (for example, social payments of 15 K rubles for families with children)
          but it looks like he bought it, and I’m paying for it (see the dollar exchange rate since 2014)
          the trick is that you live in Russia and our goods are produced in rubles (salaries of employees are paid in rubles), respectively, the cheaper the ruble, the more competitive the goods produced in our country. As an example, China has been pushing the West for decades to raise the exchange rate RMB
          well, these are basically your dreams. don’t talk about it, you might be offended
          I remember myself in 1991 and 2000 and compare with what I have now: a normal apartment, televisions in each room, each family member has their own PCs, there is a garage, the normal salary the refrigerator is filled with all sorts of different things and the windowsills are full of all kinds of fruits
          PS Yes, we are not doing well in the country, there is corruption and nepotism, but progress is also visible
          1. 0
            21 June 2020 18: 49
            "well, for example, they allowed us squeeze during crises, for example now when the state subsidizes us "
            your typo is exactly according to Freud, who is being squeezed out in crises is us, and the state has never subsidized me, rather, on the contrary
            "the trick is that you live in Russia and our goods are produced here for rubles (salary of employees is paid in rubles)"
            the salary is paid in rubles, you can’t argue with you, but what our goods are made of, for the most part, is bought for dollars, there, far, outside the ruble zone
            "I remember myself in 1991 and 2000 and compare it with what I have now: a normal apartment, TVs in every room, each family member has their own PCs, a garage, a normal salary, the refrigerator is filled with all sorts of different things and the windowsills are full of all sorts of fruits"
            you won’t believe it, I had it all in the 90s and 00s, there was only one TV, and now I don’t need one anymore. with a PC it was more difficult, but the Spectrum was already in the 90s, there was a garage, Now I don’t - the car I have is big now, it doesn’t fit into the garage, and I’ll also buy the next one, too, so I got rid of it, as if I don’t need it. I started buying oranges more often and the children grew up, and so, little has changed. Yes, prices rose rapidly with a jack and the number of various fines for ordinary people has grown incredibly. and so, there are not many differences
  2. +14
    16 June 2020 15: 11
    It was with great pleasure that I watched Two New Films about the War "Sister" and "The Soldier" - both filmed with the support of the Ministry of Culture, Excellent Films - I recommend watching!
    1. +4
      16 June 2020 15: 38
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Two New War Films "Little Sister" and "The Soldier" - both filmed with the support of the Ministry of Culture, Great Films

      I watched "Soldier", a good film, thanks for reminding me about "Sister" I must see.
      1. +7
        16 June 2020 15: 56
        Be sure to see the "Sister"! The Spouse has half the film - Tears didn’t leave my eyes ... and I have a lump in my throat, to call Our Family impressionable - well, you definitely can’t! The film is Just the Best of War, shot recently, although there is practically no fighting there per se!
        Unfortunately, the other Premieres of the year, except for irritating other feelings, did not cause!
        1. +5
          16 June 2020 19: 17
          Quote: ANIMAL
          I have a lump in my throat, to call Our Family impressionable - well, definitely not! Movie - Just The Best About War, Filmed Recently

          I believe you stopudovo, be sure to look.
        2. +3
          17 June 2020 10: 08
          In that case, watch the “go and see” Belarus movie
        3. +3
          17 June 2020 13: 16
          Didn't you watch "Cry of Silence"?
  3. -14
    16 June 2020 15: 12
    Where is Serebryakov in the title role? - is he untalented and deceitful?
    or talking about different films?
    on "28 Panfilov" - did not hook, never.
    1. -1
      16 June 2020 15: 20
      And I noticed - the author constantly mentions "penal battalion" as a failed film. Certain moments - I agree, but what would it take to pour the whole series with tar in a quarter of an hour? ..
      At the end there is a long string of numbers of penal battalions. So this is not fiction.
      1. +3
        16 June 2020 23: 46
        Here is the thing. There is deceit. The list of penalties is correct. They only existed not simultaneously, but throughout the war. Some are even less than a month old. And Serebryakov is a good actor, talented.
    2. +28
      16 June 2020 15: 55
      The Penalty Battalion is an absolutely false film. No correspondence with the history of the Second World War. I will not write about everything, but the most noticeable is that the entire command of the battalion was from among the officers who were not convicted, i.e. Serebryakov's "hero" could not possibly be a commander. And a long series of distortions.
    3. +4
      16 June 2020 21: 30
      Quote: Dedok
      is he mediocre and deceitful?

      He is lying and talented.
  4. +14
    16 June 2020 15: 13
    There were artistic councils - there were masterpieces.
    And now everything is presented to us by the training manual from Hollywood.
    One disappointment and nausea.
    And the old constitution and updated this problem will not solve.
    Here the system needs more radical adjustments than prescribed in the constitution.
    1. +1
      17 June 2020 13: 18
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      There were artistic councils - there were masterpieces.

      Toughie 1966 years with Solomin seemingly life and truthful masterpiece fool
  5. +1
    16 June 2020 15: 13
    The author, in the war films of the USSR, showing the war of the period from 1941 to 1943, "Tigers" are already crawling on Soviet soldiers and every German has "Schmeisser", but this does not make the films bad. And you watch Soviet films, where the Germans are made entirely of stupid idiots. For example "T-34"? yes Petrov is rather weak as an actor for this film, but overall the film was a success, albeit with a Hollywood happy ending. Yes, modern directors find it difficult to make a worthy film, they did not know the war, and the films of the USSR were filmed by directors who passed the war, I am not saying that modern films are good, but you don't need to distort either.
    1. BAI
      +3
      16 June 2020 16: 34
      Just recently I read an article about German technology in Soviet films. Understood a film about the defense of Moscow in 1960 (the name flew out of my head), there in the frames flash real, real (not mock-ups) Tiger and Ferdinand. On the one hand - the real ones, on the other - in 1941 near Moscow?
      1. BAI
        +10
        16 June 2020 17: 50
        I remembered and found. The film "At Your Doorstep" 1962.

        Tiger and Ferdinand near Moscow.
        1. +3
          16 June 2020 20: 43
          you comrade where near Moscow could see a tiger
    2. -7
      16 June 2020 16: 50
      "T-34" movie is correct. Made in Hollywood style, for young people. Let's not compare it with the "White Tiger" where dozens of our tanks with crews and with an incomprehensible message to the viewer are burning. That's where the wild mystical fantasy of the screenwriter and director on the theme of the Second World War is.
      1. -5
        16 June 2020 16: 54
        Quote: k174un7
        "T-34" movie is correct. Made in Hollywood style, for young people. Let's not compare it with the "White Tiger" where dozens of our tanks with crews and with an incomprehensible message to the viewer are burning. That's where the wild mystical fantasy of the screenwriter and director on the theme of the Second World War is.

        This is a white tiger to Karen Shakhnazarov, I don’t understand how he could remove this.
        1. +7
          16 June 2020 17: 47
          According to I. Boyashov's book "Tankman, or White Tiger", a film cannot be made at all. This is a mystical parable about the struggle between good and evil, and not an action movie like Shakhnazarov's film.
    3. +9
      16 June 2020 22: 51
      Quote: Wend
      Yes, modern filmmakers find it difficult to make a decent movie

      As a child, I watched a lot of films about the war and a definite look has already taken shape, so modern films are not to my liking. Maybe they are good, but immediately there is a comparison with the Soviet film and the hand is looking for a remote control.
      1. +1
        17 June 2020 13: 22
        "Cry of silence" is bad ????
        Quote: Silvestr
        Maybe they are good, but immediately there is a comparison with the Soviet film and the hand is looking for a remote control.
        Reply
    4. 0
      16 June 2020 23: 09
      Quote: Wend
      the film was a success, albeit with a Hollywood happy ending. Yes, it’s difficult for modern filmmakers to make a decent film, they didn’t know the war, and the films of the USSR were filmed by the directors who went through the war,

      I'm not sure that now it is possible to make a film about the war, which will be accepted by both our and the "Hollywood" audience, they are different people, but we need to talk about the war as much as possible for a larger "Hollywood" audience, and there they have developed their own "traditions" - effects and pr ... T-34 is more likely for them, and you need to shoot for them, but is there now a director who will shoot so that we would accept it ...
    5. +4
      16 June 2020 23: 50
      There are many bad Soviet films about the war. The problem is that there are no good Russians. However, as well as not about the war, too
  6. +13
    16 June 2020 15: 15
    but according to the poster in the title of the article: our ancestors did not die for "capitalistic bright future", therefore this" substitution of concepts "looks very low-quality ...
  7. +7
    16 June 2020 15: 17
    This is why I’ll go, I’ll go in principle and give my vote against the changes .... already from the microwave, calls go to vote or you lose, we only lost 30 years ago.
    1. +16
      16 June 2020 15: 37
      microwave calls
      And where is the logic. In 1996, they voted and lost. If your name is microwave, maybe it’s not worth it?
      1. +14
        16 June 2020 16: 32
        People do not understand that going to a plebiscite, they will essentially vote for the same Constitution that they voted in 1993, only some will vote for the Constitution as amended, others will vote for the Constitution without amendments, for the Constitution of the ruling class ... Or simply because they voted in 1993 ...
  8. +2
    16 June 2020 15: 18
    Wait (the patriots) will run screaming, to disperse the Ministry of Culture and stuff like that. But in fact, the author is right, in the minds of the first of all, the devastation and mayahatask to everyone, which is why the roots of the mass of our current problems are growing.
  9. +13
    16 June 2020 15: 21
    Criminal power is a consequence of the passivity of society.
    1. -7
      16 June 2020 22: 15
      Criminal power is a consequence of the passivity of society.
      Do you mean Ukraine?
      Or the USA?
      1. +6
        16 June 2020 22: 46
        Quote: flicker
        Do you mean Ukraine?
        Or the USA?

        Yes, this is a universal maxim.
    2. +5
      16 June 2020 22: 53
      Quote: Nikolay87
      Criminal power is a consequence of the passivity of society.

      Every nation deserves a government that has request
  10. -6
    16 June 2020 15: 25
    ... As another literary hero of Bulgakov said, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads
    The question is in whose heads?
    1. -3
      16 June 2020 22: 12
      The number of minuses indicates how many people in their answer to this question recognized their heads. laughing
      While there are 3
      bully
    2. -3
      16 June 2020 23: 01
      Already 4 faces have found devastation in their head bully
    3. +2
      17 June 2020 08: 35
      Another 3 people (a total of 7) found devastation in their heads.
      bully
  11. +14
    16 June 2020 15: 28
    Good call, Roman! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! The Ministry of Culture and Co. has long been living in some kind of parallel reality and is not going to return wassat
  12. +5
    16 June 2020 15: 33
    All amendments will be accepted. Among my acquaintances, who are against the amendments, the vote is 10 percent. The rest "they say, everything is decided, it does not depend on us, etc.". But all who are for - go. Then we cry, they say, everyone accepted, bastards, radishes and so on.
    1. -1
      17 June 2020 18: 42
      I, too, go for it too, and whoever doesn’t go, then let it not whine.
    2. 0
      18 June 2020 00: 52
      Quote: samurai_klim
      All amendments will be accepted. Among my acquaintances, who are against the amendments, the vote is 10 percent. The rest "they say, everything is decided, it does not depend on us, etc.". But all who are for - go. Then we cry, they say, everyone accepted, bastards, radishes and so on.

      Alexander, a couple of clarifications. All the amendments have ALREADY been adopted (which Ellochka herself reported more than once or twice). You and I, "lohtorat", have been offered some inedible dish: allegedly (just allegedly !!!) voting. It’s like a plebiscite, to tickle the leader with the love of the people. No such pseudo-voting, no social poll under the guise of elections (who? What? Where?) Is not spelled out in any law of the Russian Federation. But!
      Going to vote (even with a harsh NO) you thereby confirm the legitimacy and legitimacy (for you who have come) of this shameful and totally unscrupulous act.
  13. +3
    16 June 2020 15: 34
    Previously, everyone was not happy with the lack of an alternative point of view, now they are not happy with what they are. True, you have to pay for it, keep pocket liberals of piderasts, but no one said that it would be free. “Tanks”, “Invincible”, “Hitler Kaput”, “Bastards” - you can go on ad infinitum ... These are not films about the war, these are low-quality action films, of which countless others are shot in the world, not only here. "Burnt by the Sun" is a separate song, the master shot himself, for himself, and he liked it.
  14. +17
    16 June 2020 15: 36
    Everything as a whole is true and well written. The only thing is that the author perceives these amendments as a kind of real essence. But they are not, and therefore seriously discussing them is simply pointless. Everything that concerns the transfer of power fits into it as an element of the manipulation of consciousness. Or simply put, for the sake of PR-a.
    I can even describe how roughly this happens. PR managers in AP are sitting under the coke — shechek ascend to the seventh heaven or shaman (they are all turned on the esoteric there), then it comes to one’s head, and let's rumble about the memory of the ancestors, it should roll .. The other, having difficulty leaving the nirvana, answers him - for sure, one should not forget about spirituality. Then, a prominent lawyer and statesman E. Isinbaeva will say to the commission that I looked into the Constitution, an interesting document, but I don’t have enough about the memory of my ancestors. Let's enter, let's. Here you have the finished amendment.
    In fact, it simply has nothing to do with reality. Here, for example, even in the old version of the Constitution, we have written that the Russian Federation is a social state. So what ? Well recorded and recorded, no one cares. And here it cannot be said that this is some unique feature of the Russian Federation. This, in general, is a common generic property of the countries of 3 cap.world. If we turn to the constitution of, say, Nigeria or Colombia, then it also says something so spiritually elevating, but absolutely not related to reality.
    1. +6
      16 June 2020 15: 51
      but absolutely not related to reality.
      The same can be said about lawmaking in the country.
    2. -8
      16 June 2020 23: 55
      PR people in coke sit under coke - AP go to the seventh heaven or shaman (they are all turned on the esoteric there), then it comes to one's mind, but let's rumble about the memory of the ancestors, it should roll ..
      Now you yourself are not under coke? laughing
      1. +6
        17 June 2020 03: 20
        Quote: flicker
        Now you yourself are not under coke?

        Reporting, no way, Comrade Major General.
        For I do not work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or in AP Shechek ... Direct deliveries of the purest coconut go only to ardent patriots raising Russia from their knees. And then there is a whole line of people who want to.
        1. -2
          17 June 2020 09: 07
          deliveries of pure coconut go only to ardent patriots who raise Russia from their knees.
          Have you been envious? bully
    3. -2
      17 June 2020 18: 44
      Here is another mishandled Cossack found, because only a corrupt skin would be for a court from another country to decide how to be, because it suits the skins right?
  15. -6
    16 June 2020 15: 47
    Like - filmmakers screwed up, I’m offended, and you don’t go to vote from the principle laughing
  16. +8
    16 June 2020 15: 52
    Yes, we have trouble not only with war films, but with cinema as a whole. I honestly don’t even know what our Ministry of Culture is doing. If it is eliminated, then, in my opinion, nothing will change. However, this applies not only to this ministry. But what about the Constitution. It can already be bought in the new edition in bookstores)))).
  17. -7
    16 June 2020 16: 05
    Mr. Skomorokhov began to lose the polemic fuse.
    Earlier, starting the article I understood - this is written by Roman.
    And now it took "to wait for the credits".
    Why so many words?
    And to whom are they addressed?
    It is quite obvious that the previously promoted paradigm of power - "the king is good, but the boyars are rogues" has outlived its usefulness.
    The king, as the sheriff from Alabama blacks problems to one place.
    It is said: the president approves the post of ministers with the filing of the prime minister.
    Those. he guarantees that ministers comply with the requirements for them.
    The ministers begin to sabotage their work, skimp on their duties, bring them to those distances, from where no one knows how to get out, the prime minister is primarily responsible.
    And then the president.
    When there was an embarrassment (this is very mild) with Serdyukov, I, sincerely, sincerely thought about the fact that his father-in-law, Zubkov (as a recommender), had to be sent not to the Gazprom Management Committee Chairmen, but to send to Dudinka, 20 years old .
    Only total degenerate could make such a mistake and everything.
    And what did we see?
    Saw ......

    The king is responsible for everything.
    So ideally.
    The king does not care at all.
    So in real life.
    And the king wanted to hear the voice of the people in the form of a vote on amendments?
    What a fool still does not realize that the king simply ceased to consider himself a part of the people.
    The king had already moved into the heavens.
    Mosaics were taken out of the new church, but for how long?
    1. -3
      17 June 2020 00: 03
      Mr. Skomorokhov began to lose the polemic fuse.
      Hmm, you burned, so burned where Skomorokhov before you.
      But what to do request not everyone has such a flight fellow thoughts.
      bully
  18. +18
    16 June 2020 16: 15
    You know, Roman, after reading your article, I thought, what if the historical Truth has already been created, one that is pleasing to the ruling. What we still don’t know. So we decided to write this Truth into the Constitution. They will preserve it. The truth will be, for example, such as in the films you are talking about. And it’s worth it to be indignant, everything at once ... encroached on the sacred, on the Constitution ... This, of course, is my assumption, but everything can be ...
    1. 0
      18 June 2020 00: 56
      Quote: parusnik
      You know, Roman, after reading your article, I thought, what if the historical Truth has already been created, one that is pleasing to the ruling. What we still don’t know. So we decided to write this Truth into the Constitution. They will preserve it. The truth will be, for example, such as in the films you are talking about. And it’s worth it to be indignant, everything at once ... encroached on the sacred, on the Constitution ... This, of course, is my assumption, but everything can be ...

      It may not be as funny as we think ...
  19. BAI
    +1
    16 June 2020 16: 21
    “T-34”, “Tanks”, “Invincible”, “Hitler Kaput”, “Burnt by the Sun”, “Stalingrad”, “Shtrafbat”, “Bastards”

    Hitler Kaput is not a war movie. This is a filmed anecdote about the war, which does not pretend to anything except the box office. The authors positioned it as a film about love, not about war.
    If you come up with the author's requirements, then the list should be added and spread to smithereens "Country trip of Sergeant Tsybuli". And even more so - "Masks in a partisan detachment" from the Mask Show.
    1. -7
      16 June 2020 17: 52
      "T-34" should also be viewed not as a historically accurate film about the war, but as a film - a legend, a film - an epic. On the type of "Evpatiya Kolovrat" In this view, the "T-34" is really good.
      1. BAI
        +1
        16 June 2020 18: 17
        In "T-34" you can find elements: "White Tiger", "Skylark", "Stalingrad" by Bondarchuk Jr. and "Crew of a combat vehicle".
      2. +2
        16 June 2020 22: 14
        So no one sees it as historically reliable. There are even episodes of Crazy Max. And about the run of the t-34 from Kharkov to Moscow, there is a wonderful film made during the Soviet era.
      3. 0
        18 June 2020 13: 24
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        "T-34" should also be viewed not as a historically accurate film about the war, but as a film - a legend, a film - an epic. On the type of "Evpatiya Kolovrat" In this view, the "T-34" is really good.

        Only now it is positioned and advertised precisely as a historically reliable film.
  20. +5
    16 June 2020 16: 36
    Yeah. What can I say. At least someone knows how to. At least someone well done, the government controls, at least in the comments. And then mired .... And do not see at all.
  21. -15
    16 June 2020 16: 51
    1. Oooh, we’re collecting daddies. And with daddy and what will you do? Write anonymous letters or send them to the appropriate authorities? And can he collect all the authors of daddies and send them to labor camps for re-education? Do you think yourself the head of the camp? Oh well.
    2. Let us recall the wonderful Soviet film "Only old men go to battle", the whole film the pilots sing songs, and in the intervals between the songs, from boredom, apparently, they fly out to beat the German aces. Well, accuse the filmmakers of falsification, it's not true. And where did the Soviet Ministry of Culture look ....... Apparently then they were already distorting history.
    3. With the sapper blades in the attack on the enemy, it also turns out to be a lie according to Roman. Therefore, in Soviet documentaries, they also lied and lied a lot, the Soviet Army was apparently armed with the most modern weapons operating on the principle of "fire and forget" and waged the war exclusively on the territory of the enemy. Will revise "Battle for Moscow", "The battalions are asking for fire" and many other films, there are not enough crowds of soldiers with a rifle and going into battle on the army, more on the crowd, driven into a heap and not knowing what to do, but this is of course all distortion historical truth.
    Well, continue to criticize the novel, it works out well for you and do not forget to get to the pillar, it is not of the shape that you want, which means it is wrong.
    1. -3
      18 June 2020 00: 52
      And where did the Soviet Ministry of Culture look

      The Ministry of Culture just banned the film, or rather, put it on the shelf.
      Just for the very reasons that you voiced, what kind of Hahanka about the war?
      Even the front-line soldier Smirnov, a gentleman of three orders, managed to break through for such a serious matter as a film about the war, too comedic reputation.
      What can I say, even the script was hardly approved. They didn’t give a color film to the film; they shot it in black and white.
      But the film had high defenders who liked the film.
      Aviation Marshal, three times Hero of the Soviet Union Alexander Pokryshkin, member of the CPSU Central Committee, Air Force Commander in Chief, Aviation Marshal Hero of the Soviet Union Pavel Kutakhov, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Aviation Lt. Gen. Vitaliy Popkov, Hero of the Soviet Union Semyon Kharlamov, the film’s main consultant, whose wife was Hero of the Soviet Union Nadezhda Popova, deputy squadron commander of the 46th guards female regiment of night bombers, prototype of Zoe from the film.
      It was difficult for the Ministry of Culture to resist such people entering high offices.
      1. 0
        18 June 2020 04: 29
        So the movie is bad? Why did millions of viewers like him and still like him? Probably all the same the film is good, but it is fictional, not documentary-historical. And the viewer decides whether the film is good or bad by his views, he may or may not like it. The same goes for "Penal Battalion" (more than 70% of positive reviews), "Stalingrad" (more than 60% of positive reviews from film critics and even more audience), "T-34" (more than 70% of positive audience reviews), feature films, and not historical documentary. And it is not for the author of this article to judge their "slag", "mediocrity", "unsupported", etc. He can express his opinion (like it or not, criticize with justification), but he does not do it, he insults the authors and actors of these films, but he is very offended when he is told that he is nothing more than criticizing in his article, is it to see "disrespect for the author", although he does this himself, the log is not visible in his own eye.
        1. -1
          18 June 2020 08: 44
          Actually, I wrote about his role in the Ministry of Culture of those times.
          Films like Some old people go into battle or White desert sun hit the screens contrary to officials.
  22. +4
    16 June 2020 16: 56
    Publicists from the authorities do not see the coast at all. Children, veterans and war veterans use in their adverts. There is nothing sacred for people.
    What do they get the money for?
    They should attract the people to this vote, but they do the opposite.
    1. -2
      17 June 2020 18: 46
      mind the corrupt liberals are confused only by zeroing, but they themselves show that they do not care about everyone except the authorities)))) the stupid audience of these liberals may not understand this, but believe the problem of the liberals is that they do not underestimate people
  23. -1
    16 June 2020 17: 12
    Do you know that there was another instance in the USSR? Films before going to the screen were watched by Stalin and his entourage, as well as Brezhnev and others, and here the bullshit was no longer slipped. Can GDP also do this at lunchtime?
    1. +4
      16 June 2020 17: 42
      Stalin, of course, loved cinema, but in 1946, 22 films were shot, in 1948 - 18, in 1951 - in general - 9. Under Brezhnev, up to 300 films were shot a year.
  24. -5
    16 June 2020 17: 18
    I really like the Battalion! The film is anguished and does not leave indifferent. A brilliant game of actors and in general. Many consider him a slander to the USSR and Stalin. I am sure that the reality of the war was much worse and so not only the penal battalion was dying. Given the gouging of our people for hundreds of years, I would not be surprised about an attack without artillery preparation or starvation in the trenches. He himself served and I know both hunger and the utter stupidity of the command staff.
    1. +7
      16 June 2020 18: 03
      A penal battalion is a kinolap on a kinolap. The permanent composition of the penal battalion is ordinary officers, not penal, up to and including the commander’s platoon. Further, there were no criminals in the penal battalion, in the penal battalion the officers redeemed guilt. Criminals could only be in the SR.
  25. +4
    16 June 2020 17: 22
    Do you want comments from Belarus? You probably don't know that Belarusians are not up to your problems? Are you hinting that we have problems with non-removability? Or with the adequacy of the leader? So Russians periodically come here and tell us what a "good AHL and a bad Putin", but we, in principle, are not against the exchange.
    1. +9
      16 June 2020 22: 57
      Quote: Sunstorm
      Russians come and tell what "good AHL and bad Putin" are, and we, in principle, are not against the exchange

      So in Ukraine, everyone loves Putin ..... said Kiselev laughing
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  27. -1
    16 June 2020 18: 00
    Neither the amendment, nor anything else, launched from above, will change anything in our lives.
    The power system is such, and the rest is just the consequences of its activities.
    Get up, unite the working people, then it will be possible to speak with them on equal terms, but for now ......
    1. -6
      16 June 2020 22: 38
      unite the working people
      For unification, the people need an understandable project (the project organizes and organizes)
      No project - no association.
      Just get up people (without a project) - it will turn out either the Maidan and the United States today. In the first case (the people were quickly put in the stall), in the second they will also be put - and the "whites" will take revenge on the "blacks" with extreme cruelty.
      Once again: there is no project - there is no constructive long-term association, but there is a short-term destructive association.
      Now the question is: why are people being driven to protest without a project? What is the purpose of this?

      About power.
      The power system is

      Here is the answer - the power is SYSTEM, and any system is this orderliness and organization.
      Another question on what is it combined?
      Most likely, on "nishtyaks".
      Although there are those who plow the country - otherwise we would not have an army, would not have built a nuclear floating nuclear power plant, would not have built the Crimean bridge, would not have fixed on the warhead, etc. And such statesmen should be helped.
      1. +2
        17 June 2020 05: 29
        Can anti lecture read in response? It will not be any more interesting .....
        Maidan, revolution, riot with us .... not possible, no prerequisites.
        The system we have is constructive / destructive ??? you live at the expense of others, it will be more modest and more honorable, this is for starters, and then more efficiently, more lawfully and ... a long list of questions.
        It will always be useful for people to unite, Schaub aware of themselves as SOCIETY!
        Unite on the principle of social belonging, it is logical.
        Why unite, what is the purpose ....
        It’s fun to walk along the expanses
        And of course it’s better to chorus CHOICE!
  28. +6
    16 June 2020 18: 03
    Well, what have you eaten? It turns out that Soviet films are not accurate, but the current ones are completely okay. But essentially the same "cars in the yards." They liked the penalty battalion.
    One of my favorite books is "The Living and the Dead". Who else remembers the author himself fought. So in the third volume of the episode, during the exercises, the mortar sergeant accidentally kills the commander of the regiment, moreover, the Hero of the Union. They wanted to shoot, but at the last moment they sent me to the penal battalion. Operation Bagration. And soon the penalty box was easily wounded and he continues to advance not as a penalty box, but as an ordinary soldier. But it would be better not to try to make a film based on this book. Again, there will be stories about the evil Enkavedeshniks.
    1. +1
      16 June 2020 18: 53
      Simonov wrote strongly, no words. But I like Shumilin's "Vanka-company" better. A tough book, not to everyone's liking. Trench truth.
  29. +12
    16 June 2020 18: 04
    No one will tell the truth that the amendments to the constitution, not only "nullify" the nullified one, introduce lifelong senatorship, but also legitimize and give increased rights to the "state council" - a kind of fight between clans in power - in fact, a return to "seven-bankers" 90- x and early 2000s. with the complete deprivation of the people of the right to protest the arbitrariness of the Russian authorities and law enforcement agencies in international courts, due to the notorious amendment on the primacy of "domestic legislation over international" ...
  30. +5
    16 June 2020 18: 50
    I support the article of Roman Skomorokhov. I really support.
    Except for two points.
    1. I would add "White Tiger" to the list of worthy films to "28 Panfilov's men"
    Not everyone understood that this is an allegory film with a very deep meaning.
    The Tiger who has gone into the swamp is Nazism hiding. And we observe his appearance from the swamp.
    2. The author writes that - = That is, if the Ukrainians say that the Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz, since the front was Ukrainian, this, of course, is a violation and distortion. =
    And unless saying that - "Ukrainians declare" is not a distortion?
    1. Not "Ukrainians", but a Ukrainian said that ...
    2. Not a "Ukrainian", but a citizen of Ukraine. (Ukrainian, this is still nationality, not citizenship).
    Judging by one halfwit about a whole nation, is it not a distortion?
  31. +1
    16 June 2020 18: 52
    Protect which memory and from whom? In our country, half of society believes that Stalin is a hero and that there were no tortured, repressed (well, or almost none) - the other half believes the opposite.
    And who in this situation to "protect"? If those who are the first, then their authorities regularly offend - then the mausoleum will close, then they will say something about Stalin, then they will give money for "Zuleikha". If about the second then ... the picture is the same Oo These people will be branded as "liberals", admirers of the West, historical revisionists, they will paint a portrait of Stalin in the Cathedral of the Armed Forces, etc. The main lover of rewriting and repainting history has long been the state itself, in the best traditions of trolling, occupying such a specific position that you don’t spit into anyone — everything is for a just cause, for children, for grandfathers and for all that is good, as they say.
    So I don’t know who it’s there and how it will “not allow” something, and most importantly what position will be considered “party-correct”, but it certainly won’t get any better from it - at least fix it, at least not.
    We generally have a lot of state presence - in cinema, in art, in the infosphere - at times it is really unclear what they are fighting with, given that "28 Panfilovites", which the author mentioned, was almost the only film shot mostly with non-state money and come down to wide screens.
  32. -10
    16 June 2020 19: 18
    "Second. It is very pleasing that every second of our readers, who so vehemently support the show with voting, from such developed countries as Moldova, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Armenia. It is very nice to see (yes, we removed the flags, but this is not obstacle) that countries with a victorious constitutional order and developed economies value our aspirations so highly. "
    It is strange when amendments to the Russian constitution proposed by the president of the Russian Federation are called ---- shows ..... Moreover, the hints towards those living in Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Moldova and Armenia are not clear. People also live in these republics as they lived under the USSR. And most of them are not happy that the union has collapsed, and many people living in these republics have Russian citizenship, but for one reason or another, they cannot move to live in Russia. Although these people do not live in Russia, they still consider themselves part of it, and are its citizens. Amendments to the constitution certainly excite many. Many would wish such a constitution in their republics. But the leaders of their republics are more comfortable with laws against the Russian language, rewriting history and escalating negative relations. Therefore, the comments and feelings of people about the edits from any post-Soviet republic are quite understandable.
  33. +3
    16 June 2020 19: 37
    This means that the diagnosis has been made: the duumvirate has "ruin in their heads." Or maybe everything is "under control"? It's just that the author has not identified the goal. It is necessary to identify the goal. As one deputy said to voters (somewhere high in the mountains, not in our area): "You thought you chose us so that you live better? No, you chose us so that we live better."
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  35. +6
    16 June 2020 20: 09
    One word that characterizes what is happening, not only in the cinema, but in all areas: INCOMPETENCE
    1. +1
      17 June 2020 13: 34
      Tell me if the killer puts the entire clip in the bodyguard and not the businessman, is he blind, or is it necessary? also with films they put the whole clip in the understanding of the people what Soviet people are and why they fought, for what. Moreover, everywhere they demonstrate that everyone is attacking the historical truth.
  36. -10
    16 June 2020 20: 28
    the author put together all his complexes in a heap bully
    curious - did he read the amendments?
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  37. +6
    16 June 2020 20: 32
    in Smolensk, in a tram depot, they offer to bring a passport and vote earlier and take a walk on July 1, because what they are doing and many more likely will do so and there is a big question about the fate of these ballots
  38. +6
    16 June 2020 22: 00
    the current government adopted the victory of the USSR, and the symbols of this victory. what does the current government have to do with victory? the president, who in all his speeches blasphemed the SOVIET UNION, and when he completely brought the country to a pen, like a real card sharper, pulled out the topic of victory from his sleeve and threw people to their health. they write media, even wrote an article about the history of WWII. But, before that, in St. Petersburg, a mannerheim board was installed, how is it? where s.k., and involvement under the article, the glorification of fascism? How did I repent before the Poles? Yes, a lot of things you can remember. feature films about the war, there are no real films. the war itself, the author can still depict in his works, but on the screen, you can’t convey everything. but even at least it’s possible to convey a little bit of truth. an example, they fought for their homeland, and the tanks weren’t there, the Germans were all with mn, and the German officers in caps weren’t doing such effects as they were now. but the film is just beginning, and they show how our soldiers are walking, in the heat, tired, sweaty in faded hb, with such facial expressions that you immediately feel that atmosphere of the distant 42-year-old. Soviet artists knew how to play, what to say. Here then, what was the main thing. Well, but what can the current gailers convey from the stage? Yes, at least there will be a thousand special effects, but you won’t watch the movie, hack. Plus, it’s either a commissioner or a special officer with a sadistic face.
  39. +4
    16 June 2020 22: 34
    Quote: Dizel200
    Do you know that there was another instance in the USSR? Films before going to the screen were watched by Stalin and his entourage, as well as Brezhnev and others, and here the bullshit was no longer slipped. Can GDP also do this at lunchtime?

    Who knows - maybe this is what he is doing, because these "masterpieces" appear on the screens? lol
  40. +6
    16 June 2020 22: 48
    The environment is afraid (!) Of any changes and wants to sit in their "fat" places in this way.
    1. -1
      17 June 2020 00: 32
      I am also afraid of change. But everything flows, everything changes (for the worse).
  41. 0
    17 June 2020 01: 51
    The topic raised in the article is very serious and important, and all the problems and reasons are indicated. But for some reason there is not a single word about any "Observing and Public Councils", which in all ministries and departments are like uncut dogs, and which often play an important role and have a strong opinion / word when making important decisions, including distribution of budget money. If I had my way, I would first of all begin to get rid of them. Just look at the composition of these councils - who are not there and far from the best and most competent representatives of civil society. Perhaps I just outlined my vision on this issue in general, but, nevertheless, decided to draw the attention of the respected author and concerned participants in the discussion to this aspect.
    1. 0
      17 June 2020 13: 25
      All the supervisory and public councils exist for that purpose to write off on them everything that needs to be done, but one does not want to get gray.
  42. -2
    17 June 2020 08: 39
    Devastation - the author’s head is also present because he believes that the amendments !!! the Constitution will hinder the development of culture in particular (((
  43. -2
    17 June 2020 08: 40
    When shame does not cover the shame
    Yesterday, 15:00 and stupidity with eloquence ((((((- this is to the author (((
  44. +5
    17 June 2020 09: 32
    He said a man who, as an officer of the KGB, betrayed this memory. And called betrayal a deal with conscience. Vlasovites want to revive the memory of the Soviet Union a political move to increase their popularity. Memory of the past is stored in books and the right textbooks, and not empty lines in the constitution.
  45. +3
    17 June 2020 09: 35
    A very correct topic was raised by the author. It is high time to call to account all the "creators" with their accomplices. But, in the absence of a clear ideology in the state, we have what we have.
    GDP periodically says something good in beautiful phrases. It’s just that all this remains with the words. I remember that he even said that he had grown up in an environment where it was customary to answer for words ... Maybe it's time to start doing this?
    1. +1
      17 June 2020 13: 23
      ideology as a gopher. she is not visible but she is. a state cannot exist without ideology. it is more important than any constitution and other pieces of paper. since it is on its basis that decisions are made and made. and if it is not registered, look at the end result. conclusion state ideology of Russia State oligarchic capitalism. The goal is the formation and consolidation of the power of the oligarchy in Russia with the subsequent subjugation of neighboring territories with the suppression or, if it is not possible, the inclusion of the local oligarchy.
      1. 0
        17 June 2020 16: 04
        It is impossible not to agree. But there is article 13 in the Constitution ...
  46. +8
    17 June 2020 11: 21
    is it really not clear that all these attempts to shove the protection of the memory of ancestors, family values, the Russian language, indexing, etc. into the constitution are just a smoke screen for the sake of zeroing Putin’s terms?
    no brainer that all these issues (as amended) are regulated by federal laws and are not related to constitutional norms
    the eternal Putin in power - that’s what all this cat fuss was about!
    1. +2
      18 June 2020 01: 08
      Quote: AndyLW
      eternal Putin in power

      Surprises happen. It’s just that Putin didn’t read Bulgakov. Otherwise, you look, and Woland’s words would have sunk into memory:
      - It's not that a person is mortal. The fact is that sometimes he suddenly mortal.
  47. +3
    17 June 2020 12: 34
    That's all right. It is a pity that this (described in the article) is true. They lie to us at every step, in every call the authorities do not talk at best. And what about the "historical truth" with the draped mausoleum? And (thank God only) silence about the role of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in Victory? Young people (EGE-shnikov) can still cheat, but what to do with people who received Soviet education? Sorry for the Motherland ...
  48. +2
    17 June 2020 12: 54
    Well, I read the article and comments. And, as one well-known hero of the film "Only old men go to battle" said: I am satisfied with the ruins of the Reichstag! In the sense that recently, as it happened, I came across only the opinion of "approvals". But, fortunately, there are more than enough thinking people. Let us think, colleagues, that we are not a herd of sheep, for which the rulers take us. Maybe, of course, my vote will not decide anything, but I will go and vote as I see fit, and not as "it should be."
  49. +3
    17 June 2020 13: 13
    Here I have deep bewilderment. why is everyone just talking about the distortion of historical memory in the framework of the Great Patriotic War. but how are the distortions fixed now in the history of the USSR, about the fact that nothing was produced in the USSR except galoshes that no one bought, about the golden decade of 90. about the legal privatization of inefficient industries. after all, too much can be brought under the protection of historical memory.
  50. +1
    17 June 2020 13: 45
    It’s hard for Putin - there’s a mess around. and it’s not anyone who can shoot them, they’ll be afraid of the Constitutions, but it’s unlikely that they should be dismissed as 37 officials, then everything will work.
    1. -1
      17 June 2020 14: 24
      "T-34", "Tanks", "Invincible", "Hitler Kaput", "Burnt by the Sun", "Stalingrad", "Shtrafbat", "Bastards" - you can continue to infinity.
      I remember how grandfathers-veterans were indignant when they watched Soviet films about the war of the 80s and everything seemed fine to us small, I think that today's movie, which is now shocking many with the next generation, will already be regarded as a kind of norm ... The distortion of history and a change in the direction of development in side of the degradation of post-Soviet countries and peoples - this is a strategy that is aimed at several generations !!!
      Actually, it is possible to fight this only by criminally prosecuting personally every author of such a libel - but no one does this ... Therefore, impunity encourages this lawlessness in culture and it only intensifies ...
  51. +2
    17 June 2020 15: 15
    “T-34”, “Tanks”, “Invincible”, “Hitler Kaput”, “Burnt by the Sun”, “Stalingrad”, “Penal Battalion”, “Bastards” - we can continue ad infinitum. We are planning an endless series of mediocre and deceitful films. And, apparently, it will approach the figure of 1418, so that there is a “creation” for every day.

    Yes, isn't Putin talking about this? Is this not a distortion of history?


    You don't understand Roman here. All these films demonstrate a new historical truth that is ardently supported by the Kremlin. After all, it is the Kremlin and people and organizations close to it that finance all sorts of Gulag museums, Yeltsin centers and other organizations that directly indicate that their task is a “new look at history” and tell children about how bad it was in the “bloody scoop”. The same “Bad Signal” by Yegor Ivanov perfectly showed what historical truth the Kremlin supports and essentially creates.

    I would also remember how, according to Russian laws, people were officially fined for publishing photographs from the 1945 Victory Parade, but this is a long-standing matter.
    1. +1
      17 June 2020 16: 02
      Most likely he understands; this is not the first year he has been writing in a similar vein. And rhetorical questions are asked in order to awaken the reading public.
  52. +2
    17 June 2020 15: 44
    You can say a lot about the article, or you can just go and say - no or yes. Personally, I'll say no.
  53. -1
    17 June 2020 15: 53
    After reading, I involuntarily want to remember and paraphrase the quote from Genghis Khan: “Looking at the faces of horses and the faces of people, at the boundless living stream raised by my will and rushing to nowhere along the crimson sunset steppe, I often think: where am I in this stream?” to “Looking at the faces of horses and the faces of people, at the boundless living stream raised by the will of the author of the article and rushing to nowhere along the crimson sunset steppe, I often think: where is the Constitution in this stream?”

    Judging by the content, because I don’t go and vote YES in Russia, they will start making the best patriotic films without exception, they will stop hanging Mannerheim boards and erecting monuments to Kolchak.
    Why, as a citizen of Russia, when voting on amendments to my Constitution, do I need the approval or disapproval of citizens of countries that hang and hang like weights on Russia’s feet, while the leadership of these countries is flirting with NATO?

    But the posters from the Central Election Commission filled the space, explaining how important it is for us to come to the polling stations on July 1. A very correct application of budget money, since every citizen should at least once a day see the call. And imbued with consciousness.


    Apparently voting against or ignoring it will force you to save and use this money to support the common people. Apparently the author has forgotten that we live in a capitalist state where the priority of support from the state is given to those who have more capital, and democracy is only a way of legitimizing the power of a certain group of people for whom no expense is spared.

    Personally, I don’t care whether the Constitution says about the memory of ancestors or not. I honor and respect both my own and strangers (although how strange they are to me) soldiers and officers of that war. And I will do this until the end.


    it smelled like an attempt to rehabilitate Nazism, Hitler, Krasnov, Vlasov and other enemies and traitors of the Russian people and state.


    It turns out that if something is not spelled out in the Constitution, that’s it? Is no one going to work in accordance with federal laws? Reason for idleness, so to speak?


    Of course. No matter how many advertisements about the people’s natural resources and minerals, subsoil on TV, they will never be people’s if this is not spelled out in the Constitution.

    And those who didn’t give a damn about history, whether it would be in the Constitution or not...


    the guarantor of the constitution is the president, and the highest supervisory body monitoring its strict implementation is the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, and I would like to see if lower courts will ignore the unconditional priority of Russian legislation if this is stated in the Constitution.
    1. -2
      17 June 2020 19: 09
      I completely agree with you. The author of the article very subtly makes a false cause-and-effect series: “bad films are made because we will vote for amendments to the Constitution.” Looks like low-grade propaganda.
  54. -2
    17 June 2020 16: 34
    The article is absolutely devoid of logic. The novel, apparently, was touched by comments from readers of his previously published articles about why a referendum is needed. It’s good that readers figured out that Tereshkova’s amendment does not depend on the voting results. It has already been adopted by a separate law! The vote will be specifically for changes to the constitution that affect the foundations of the state's sovereignty. Yes, this time we didn’t manage to do everything. It was not possible to completely erase the occupation articles. There is nothing surprising in this - there is a real struggle going on. The President needs support for this fight - our turnout for the referendum!
    1. -4
      17 June 2020 19: 12
      And notice what enormous resistance there is to erasing these occupation articles from the Constitution. What tons of nonsense began to spew out on the amendments, in which even the slightest shadow appeared on Russian ideology. And it’s sad to admit that Roman is actively involved in this.
  55. +2
    17 June 2020 17: 56
    Well, the funny thing: so from whom should the memory of the ancestors be protected? Apparently, just from the above company. From scriptwriters and directors to the Minister of Culture.

    The author apparently was embarrassed to continue the list, stopping at the Minister of Culture... In fact, it should have been continued by the Prime Minister and the re-sident, who is lying to his face that in the Union they produced nothing but galoshes... And you want to say that this is not a distortion stories? Not about the Great Patriotic War, of course, but that doesn’t make the distortion cease to be a distortion...
  56. -3
    17 June 2020 18: 47
    Just out of curiosity, I’ll assume - what if the people vote for the amendments, which include “zeroing”, and Putin does not go for another term in 2024? What will all those who spewed vitriol about these amendments say then?
  57. -1
    17 June 2020 20: 19
    I wanted to write - I recognize my sweetheart by her gait... this is about the author, but this is his first article, with which I mostly agree
  58. +4
    17 June 2020 20: 34
    I'll go vote. Rare case. But "against". Simply because they treated me and others like cattle, offering to vote in bulk for 300+ amendments, developed by all sorts and adopted decisively in the first reading. I don't want my voice to be used
  59. -2
    17 June 2020 20: 58
    I’ll start, like Roman, with lyrical digressions.
    First. Roman reports that a dossier has been collected on everyone who expressed disagreement with him. And he promises a devastating article in a year or two. What will be in that article is not difficult to guess now.
    Second. Roman is NOT happy, but outraged that foreign compatriots are in the majority FOR amendments to the Constitution. But there is nothing strange: when comparing their lives and their rulers, normal foreign compatriots are mostly FOR. Yes, we see Russian life not from the inside, but from the outside, through the Internet, the media and communication with Russian relatives and friends. But we SEE and UNDERSTAND. At least those who want to know. And we do not at all idealize the Russian authorities and top management! But, weighing the positive and negative, it’s still FOR. And the flags (labels) were removed correctly. For it is great stupidity for the lazy and ignorant to determine the truth and value of a person by flags, surnames, nations, races (the latest example is the USA), passports and pants (which Danelia had a good laugh at)! The Bible says: "...judge him by his works." And popular wisdom states that “they are greeted by their clothes, but seen off by their minds.” Roman likes the flags better... Although here he is not constant: recently he admired democracy in these countries (compared to Russia?), but today he mocks them. Maybe not everyone? Maybe he is admired by the “democrats” of the Maidan, but is he dissatisfied with his foreign compatriots who are FOR the amendments and, therefore, for Putin?
    Roman writes almost everything correctly about shortcomings, I agree with him. Only, after all, there have always been, are and will always be shortcomings, no matter what power there is, no matter what ruler! For example, I also have a LOT of questions for Vladimir Vladimirovich, here is the attitude towards Russian and Soviet history and figures, and the shortcomings of domestic policy (there are many of them, I’m speaking very briefly!). But no, there are no absolutely crystal clear people, especially politicians and historical figures! And each person is defined by the predominance of positive or negative qualities. And Putin, undoubtedly, like Stalin (who is still taller), is a positive ruler.
    As for the amendment, for some reason it seems to me that Putin may not apply it if a worthy successor is found. IF YOU FIND IT...
  60. +1
    17 June 2020 22: 44
    I agree completely.
  61. +2
    18 June 2020 11: 13
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    I’ll start, like Roman, with lyrical digressions.
    First. Roman reports that a dossier has been collected on everyone who expressed disagreement with him. And he promises a devastating article in a year or two. What will be in that article is not difficult to guess now.
    Second. Roman is NOT happy, but outraged that foreign compatriots are in the majority FOR amendments to the Constitution. But there is nothing strange: when comparing their lives and their rulers, normal foreign compatriots are mostly FOR. Yes, we see Russian life not from the inside, but from the outside, through the Internet, the media and communication with Russian relatives and friends. But we SEE and UNDERSTAND. At least those who want to know. And we do not at all idealize the Russian authorities and top management! But, weighing the positive and negative, it’s still FOR. And the flags (labels) were removed correctly. For it is great stupidity for the lazy and ignorant to determine the truth and value of a person by flags, surnames, nations, races (the latest example is the USA), passports and pants (which Danelia had a good laugh at)! The Bible says: "...judge him by his works." And popular wisdom states that “they are greeted by their clothes, but seen off by their minds.” Roman likes the flags better... Although here he is not constant: recently he admired democracy in these countries (compared to Russia?), but today he mocks them. Maybe not everyone? Maybe he is admired by the “democrats” of the Maidan, but is he dissatisfied with his foreign compatriots who are FOR the amendments and, therefore, for Putin?
    Roman writes almost everything correctly about shortcomings, I agree with him. Only, after all, there have always been, are and will always be shortcomings, no matter what power there is, no matter what ruler! For example, I also have a LOT of questions for Vladimir Vladimirovich, here is the attitude towards Russian and Soviet history and figures, and the shortcomings of domestic policy (there are many of them, I’m speaking very briefly!). But no, there are no absolutely crystal clear people, especially politicians and historical figures! And each person is defined by the predominance of positive or negative qualities. And Putin, undoubtedly, like Stalin (who is still taller), is a positive ruler.
    As for the amendment, for some reason it seems to me that Putin may not apply it if a worthy successor is found. IF YOU FIND IT...

    It would be incorrect to even try to compare with Stalin, the personal scales are too different. Of course, there are worthy people for the position of president (not necessarily a successor) in such a huge country.
  62. +1
    18 June 2020 11: 34
    I want blood. I want to see executed embezzlers who stole more money than the permitted amount, punishable by life imprisonment. I want to see enemies from Echo of Moscow and Rain hanging on the birches. Well, my mind is seething with indignation, what can you do. HOW LONG??? I want to see shot majors, contemptuous of ordinary citizens, roaming the streets, now PROTECTED by cops, receiving from their hands an allowance that is many times higher than the salary from the state. Do not catch up and do not send them to sweep the streets. Shoot to kill. After the first ten, everyone else will understand that they are also under the law.
  63. -3
    18 June 2020 11: 38
    Quote: IL-64
    I'll go vote. Rare case. But "against". Simply because they treated me and others like cattle, offering to vote in bulk for 300+ amendments, developed by all sorts and adopted decisively in the first reading. I don't want my voice to be used


    Of course, this is for me, this is for me again, this is for me again, and this is for you.
    Only someone who is completely crazy thinks that all amendments can be voted on separately.
    By voting “AGAINST”, you will vote FOR the separation of the Kuril Islands, FOR maintaining pensions without inflationary additions, at the level of a hundred years ago, AGAINST medical guarantees..... Isn’t this the actions of the enemy? It's a pity that I can't talk to you one-on-one.
    1. +1
      18 June 2020 13: 06
      Have you read the amendments? All the horrors that you wrote can be carried out later without violating Prostitution in the least.
    2. -1
      18 June 2020 22: 39
      “By voting “AGAINST”, you will vote FOR the separation of the Kuril Islands, FOR maintaining pensions without inflationary additions, at the level of a hundred years ago, AGAINST medical guarantees...."
      and in the current constitution it is written like this - about the separation of smokers, about the abolition of pensions, about the abolition of medicine? What prevents the current government from doing all of the above without distorting the constitution?
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  64. +5
    18 June 2020 13: 03
    The Darkest One is fulfilling the task set by him (or not by him): decommunization! And “culture” is precisely the most powerful tool for achieving this goal. People grabs everything! If you yourself haven’t created anything in 20 years, then it’s easier to throw in the mud everything that was created in the USSR.
  65. -2
    19 June 2020 12: 08
    Quote: tots
    He finished the war in Chechnya
    Reduced public debt
    Created a bunch of reserve funds
    He returned the Crimea
    Returned the prestige of Russia as a great power
    He took power from the oligarchs
    Ensured the growth of the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation

    No need to throw pearls, they will make crap out of everything.
  66. +1
    21 June 2020 19: 35
    They piled everything they could into amendments to the constitution. All we need to do is start implementing the laws.