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Ferry "Sevol". Why didn’t the passengers save?

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The ceremony in memory of those killed on the ferry "Sevol". With dumb reproach: why not save?


In the epic of the South Korean ferry "Sevol", the reasons for the wreck of which previous article was devotedThere is another very important point: why are there so many dead? 304 people is a lot. Especially considering the fact that the ferry was not sinking so far from the coast, in the area of ​​shipping and fishing, there were trading and fishing vessels nearby. Weather conditions and the course as a whole did not impede the rescue operation. Not a storm, not a typhoon, and so many dead. Why?

As far as I can tell, in South Korea, the causes of the failure of the rescue operation were dealt with essentially as little as the causes of the phenomenal wreck of the ferry. Ultimately, all the blame was blamed on Captain Lee Zhong Sok and some other crew members. The Coast Guard investigation began in the summer of 2014, but was soon terminated and resumed only at the end of 2019, already under the new President of South Korea. Then a special investigation team was created to investigate the actions of the service, as well as to investigate the possible forgery and concealment of documents and evidence (in particular, recordings from surveillance cameras installed on the ferry). The indictment of a number of officials was brought forward in February 2020, and so far this process has not been completed. Hysteria and political interests in this case were more important than a detailed investigation of the incident.

In my opinion, this issue should be given some attention not only because of the desire to unravel the mysterious history, but also because the history of the unsuccessful rescue operation reveals quite well how South Koreans react to stressful situations, how they operate in conditions requiring personal initiative and quick wits, and how their public service responsible for guarding the maritime borders worked. After this story, I began to value much less the fighting efficiency of the South Korean army and fleet. They certainly have guns, Tanks, planes and ships, but with the ability to act in an uncertain situation, to act quickly and accurately, they have obvious problems.

Could the ship be saved?


So, at 8.40 local time on April 16, 2014, the ferry sharply tipped, its load shifted and the ship began to sink. Could something be done about it?

The first and most obvious solution: to take water into the ballast tanks on the starboard side to try to straighten the ship. This was done because the footage of the sinking ferry shows high columns of water bursting from open kingstones. Kingstones open and close from the bridge, but who exactly did this remains unknown. This could be done by Lee Zhong Suk himself or the first assistant Kang Won Sik, the person directly responsible for the loading and stability of the ship. In any case, this did not help them.

There are difficulties with the second solution. In the practice of the merchant fleet, the team usually leaves the vessel with a dangerous roll (an example was given with the Cougar Ace car carrier), and then the coast guard deals with it. The Soviet instructions on the survivability of the ship, issued by the Ministry of the Navy of the USSR, only say that the captain should try to land the ship aground and wait for the rescuers. However, Sevol did not have such an opportunity. The nearest island, Pyeon Phundo (1,7 miles to the south), was a volcanic rock and, apparently, did not have suitable shallows. In addition there was a peak of the tide. Secondly, the chief mechanic Park Ki Ho at 8.52 ordered to stop the cars and evacuate the engine room. The ship without a course, of course, could no longer get to any shallow.

It is also known that the captain in 8.52 ordered the second assistant Kim Yong Ho to start the sump pumps, to which he received the answer that the pumps did not work. At 8.54, the captain ordered the chief mechanic to go down to the engine room and start the pumps, but this order was not executed. It is difficult to say how much the pumps would help them, maybe they could win 5-10 minutes, not more: the ferries do not have a counter-flooding system. In any case, Sevol was left without pumps.

On this, the struggle for survivability was lost. Thus, even before the first signal for help, it became clear that the rescue of passengers can only be in boats.

Traces of panic


This is common sense people, in principle, ready to act in a critical situation. But, I repeat my observation of the first article, the unexpected roll and the transition of the ship into emergency condition with the inevitable prospect of flooding, became for them facts shocking and demoralizing. An incomprehensible blow, then a roll in a calm sea - this is something that cannot be.

I asked experts on the Korean mentality how South Koreans behave in a similar situation. The answer was unequivocal: stupor. This situation will bring out of balance even the seasoned “moroman,” but the South Koreans are inherently highly emotional (against ours). The third assistant, Park Han Gul, cried, which, in general, is understandable for a young woman who fell into such a binding. What did male society do on the bridge of the ferry at this time?

Here I must say that the assessment of the situation seriously depends on the sources used. The famous Korean historian Konstantin Asmolov made his description based on media reports. In my analysis, I used a different source: Kwon Y Sook's work “System Theoretic Safety Analysis of the Sewol-Ho Ferry Accident in South Korea”, which was defended in 2016 at the University of Massachusetts. This researcher clearly had access to investigative materials, which he quotes more fully than the press, for example, he names who contacted the coastal services at one time or another. It was on the basis of his data that I conducted my analysis of the actions of the team, which gave interesting results.

So, at 8.55 a distress signal was sent to the Jeju Vessel Traffic Service. The press did not indicate who filed it, but Kwon Y Sook calls the name - first assistant Kang Won Sik. Judging by the transcript of negotiations published by CNN, he said that the ship was turning over right now (which is not entirely true), asked to be connected to the coast guard, and said that the ferry was off the island of Pyeon Phundo. This is strange because they were far from Jeju, the end point of the route. At 9.07, the first assistant changed the communication channel and contacted the nearby Chindo service. Jeju's service could do little, however, contacted the coast guard at Mokpo, from where patrol ship No. 123 was immediately sent.

In my opinion, the key to understanding the situation on the bridge was radio communications. Based on the information provided by Kwon And Bitch, I made a list of those who and when conducted these negotiations:

8 hours 55 minutes: Jeju is first assistant Kang Won Sik.
9 hours 7 minutes: Jindo - First Mate Kang Won Sik.
9 hours 14 minutes: Jindo - steering Pak Kyung Nam.
9 hours 21 minutes: Jindo is the first assistant to Shin Jeong Hung.
9 hours 24 minutes: Jindo - second assistant Kim Yong Ho.
9 hours 25 minutes: Jindo - steering Pak Kyung Nam.
9 hours 26 minutes: ship No. 123 - steering Pak Kyung Nam.
9 hours 28 minutes: Jindo and ship No. 123 - Kim Yong Ho's second mate.
9 hours 37 minutes: Jindo - second assistant Kim Yong Ho.

In addition, there were calls by the ferry service in Chindo, which clarified the situation on the ferry.

On this list, the question arises: aren't too many people participating in negotiations with the coast? Typically, radio contacts are assigned to one officer so that others can deal with urgent matters. And then the microphone has two first assistants, a second assistant and another helmsman to boot. We see the microphone changing hands, almost literally.

At 9.25 a service dispatcher in Chindo informed the ferry that the captain had to make a final decision, and demanded to hurry with the decision. The dispatcher can be understood: in less than 15 minutes he managed to communicate with four different people who demanded that he save them. The dispatch of the dispatcher can only be interpreted as a polite requirement to keep order.

This situation can only be explained by the panic that swept the senior officers of the team. During this time, they did nothing to save the passengers, did not even contact the passenger deck. The passenger liaison officer, who was on the passenger deck, Kang Hae Song, in 8.52 minutes, on his own initiative, ordered the passengers to remain in their seats. He never received any orders from the bridge. His decision was clearly dictated by the fear that the movement of passengers could accelerate the roll of the vessel. Not the best solution, of course. However, he at 9.53, when the ship began to sink, at his own peril and risk, ordered the passengers to escape.

Riot on the ship


Throughout this story, it is far from clear what Captain Lee Zhong Suk did during the crash. In the press and in court hearings, emphasis was placed on the fact that he “escaped from the ferry”, although his actions, orders and words should have been given priority attention. Still, the person in charge.

The data from Kwon Y Sook, as well as the interview of the helmsman O Yong Sok (he gave several interviews with different contents), show that the captain gave orders. But they were not executed. The order to switch on the sump pumps has not been fulfilled. At 8.56, the capital ordered the second assistant Kim Yong Ho to notify passengers to wear life jackets and clothes. By itself, this order speaks of the captain's intention to begin the evacuation. The second assistant did not execute the order, because he did not turn on the warning system. At 9.27, the captain repeated his order, the second assistant handed it to the passenger deck, but did not make sure that the order was accepted, understood and executed.

But the crew did a lot without the order of the captain. This is negotiations with the shore, and two attempts to drop boats. At first, at 9.14, the helmsmen attempted Cho Joong Ki and O Yong Suk, and at 9.44, the first assistant Kang Won Sik and the steering Pak Kyung Nam. They referred to the fact that the roll was too big and they did not reach the boats (which is not entirely true).

Radio communications with the shore, in which at least four people participated, without a captain, failure to fulfill orders and perform actions without an order - what if there is no chaos on the bridge? Or, more precisely, what if not a riot on the ship, direct disobedience to the captain in a critical situation?

It is known that at the same time there were telephone conversations with the office of the shipping company Cheonhejin Heun, which owned a ferry, in which captain and first assistant Kang Won Sik participated. There were many calls, at least seven, including, as Kwon And Sook writes, the first assistant made five calls. The first was at 9.01, the last at 9.40. This caused serious questions: did they have nothing to do but this? Moreover, the content of the calls has not been published. In the light of what has been said, I think this small box opens simply: it was about who exactly commands the ship. Lee Zhong Suk reported to the office that the team did not obey him, and then the company’s office, apparently, sorted out relations with the first assistant Kang Won Sik, either demanded submission to the captain, or perhaps demanded to take control. Someday we will find out.

In general, the investigation was supposed to make a detailed reconstruction of the events, finding out who and where exactly was at each particular moment in time, what he said, to whom and what, what he was doing and what he saw. Without this, it is completely impossible to understand the degree of guilt of each crew member. But, apparently, this was not done.

My version of the background of all this is this: Lee Joon Suk was a temporary captain working on a very low-paid one-year contract, which for the 69-year-old captain, who had been at sea for about forty years, was clear evidence of his low income and social status. Most likely, he was not perceived by the permanent members of the team as a real captain. In a critical situation, a conflict arose between him and the first mate - apparently the informal leader of the ferry’s permanent team, which became the main prerequisite for the many victims. Precious time, while the ferry had not yet tilted too much and it was possible to help passengers get out, they spent on clarifying the relationship. Then it was too late, already at 9.20 the roll exceeded 50 degrees, and many passengers were blocked in their cabins. Oleg Kiryanov, who was traveling on Chevzhudo in Sevola, drew attention to the transverse corridors of passenger decks, which, when tilted and capsized, turned into inaccessible mines. Most passengers could not get out of the cabins and climb to the starboard side.

Note that it was possible to jump from the port side; it would save many lives, all other things being equal. But for this it was necessary to give an order to leave the ship no later than 9.00-9.10. Yes and later there were still chances. At this time, apparently, the conflict on the bridge reached its climax, and its participants were not up to the passengers.

Ferry "Sevol". Why didn’t the passengers save?

Jumping into the water from the port side would be a chance for salvation for many. This photo is from the ship No. 123 at about 9.30 or 9.35. It was only necessary to order to leave the ship

Those who blame the captain for all sins should ask the question: what would you do yourself in a situation where the team does not obey you and does not obey orders?

Lie about the captain


The role of rescuers, in particular, the crew of ship No. 123 and its captain Kim Kyung Il, who was appointed the "commander of the scene", in my opinion, boiled down to the fact that they exacerbated the catastrophe that had already erupted. They initially had very weak ability to help; they did not have enough people and equipment to quickly pull out 476 passengers - this is an impossible task for 14 crew members. A patrol ship with a displacement of 100 tons could not take them all on board, and they did not have the opportunity to provide medical assistance to the victims. True, there were different ships around the sea, and service in Chindo at about 9.00 a.m. urged them to go to the aid of the ferry.

But what Kim Kyung Il did is somewhat beyond a reasonable approach. Firstly, he had no connection with the ferry (the ship approached him at 9.30, when the crew was still on board and was negotiating with Jindo), nor with the service in Jindo. Blind salvation.

Secondly, a sensible decision would be to shout into a megaphone so that passengers go out and jump overboard. Kim Kyung Il first said that a megaphone was being used. But under investigation, in August 2014, he changed his testimony and said that he panicked so much that he did not give instructions to his crew to get inside the ferry and did not order passengers to leave the ship. Surviving passenger Kim Sung Mok repeatedly stated in an interview that neither helicopters nor the ship were given instructions to leave the ship. About 40 minutes remained before the decks were immersed in the water; several dozen people could have been saved. Kang Hae Song, having heard the order from the outside, would undoubtedly have duplicated it through the on-board network.

Thirdly, Kim Kyung Il initially limited himself to sending the boat to the ferry’s bridge that had already bent to the very water and removing crew members, including captain Lee Zhong Sok.

This event gave the whole story a smack of surrealism. The captain's meeting at 9.46 was recorded on a video that was widely published. There was so much lies about this that you wonder how you can lie like that, having a documentary record. They said about the captain that he “escaped”, although in the video he without much haste goes to the boat. They also interpreted that he was supposedly “first in line,” although there was no line in frames. It was alleged that he allegedly had a life jacket, although in reality it was not. And so on and so forth.


The same frame from the video: in the center of the ferry captain Lee Zhong Suk (in shorts). It is necessary either to have a very vivid imagination, or to live long in South Korea to see here "flight" or "first in line." The photo is very informative. It shows that this happened on the bridge (the glazing of the bridge is visible on the left), that boats could be reached and that part of the passenger decks on the port side was still above the water. Note, this is 9.46, forty minutes before the ship sinks!

Most importantly, it was alleged that the captain did not put on his uniform and tried to pass himself off as a passenger. The precariousness of this accusation lies in the fact that it is unlikely that the passenger will be on the bridge. Access to the bridge is limited, and it was already impossible to get there from the passenger deck with such a roll. The fact that the captain was out of shape is explained by the fact that a catastrophe found him in the cabin on vacation, and he did not have time to get dressed. Rescuers claimed that they did not know that he was a captain. But the medical officer in the port, assisting him, asked the rescuers who he was and received an answer that this was the captain of the ferry.

Finally, emotions in the Korean press lingered for a long time over the fact that the captain should be the last to leave the ship, and Lee Joon-suk escaped. This is a good marine custom, of course. However, South Korean law does not oblige the captain to remain on the ship in the event of an accident (just like the Soviet instruction for the morphlot; the captain can lead the struggle for survivability from where it is more convenient for him). Emotions were heated with the help of an amusing fake worked with scissors and glue.

I will cite the first two articles from the Korean Seafarer's Act in the original:

Article 10
A captain shall not leave his / her ship from the time cargoes are loaded and passengers start to go on board until the time all cargoes are unloaded from his / her ship and all passengers leave his / her ship: Provided, that except for cases where there is a special reason that he / she should not leave his / her ship, such as abnormal weather conditions, etc., this shall not apply where he / she has appointed a person who is to perform his / her duties on his / her behalf from among officers.
Article 11
Where a ship is in critical danger, a captain shall take all the measures necessary to rescue human lives, the ship and cargoes.

And now another option - as it was quoted in the press, in particular, in the Hankuryo newspaper:

A captain shall not leave his / her ship from the time cargoes are loaded or passengers start to go on board until the time all cargoes are unloaded or all passengers leave his / her ship. At times when a ship is in critical danger, a captain shall take all measures necessary to rescue human lives, the ship and cargoes.

The selection reveals exactly where the Korean propagandists went with scissors, which piece they threw away and what they entered. In article 10 of the law, it is clear that we are talking about the usual conditions for sailing or parking in the port, since the captain can appoint a deputy. It was this piece that was cut out, giving the law a different meaning. Well, aren't they pretty?

Well, why all these tricks? I think in order to hide the extremely unseemly role of the coast guard and in particular the captain of ship No. 123 Kim Kyung Il. Lee Zhong Suk went on a rescue boat, of course, deliberately. Firstly, he needed a transmitter to report the situation to the shore (the ferry’s radio had already stopped working). Secondly, he probably intended to demand that the rescuers step up their actions. They had been chatting around the ferry for 15 minutes, and the rescue did not actually begin. Apparently, an unpleasant conversation took place on board between Lee Joon Suk and Kim Kyung Il. The captain of the ferry probably demanded that he approach the ship, since one rubber boat would not be enough for all passengers.


Here it is, this rubber boat from ship No. 123, in the center, with a well-visible tail number. That’s all that Kim Kyung Il set aside more than 400 people to save. In my opinion, even commenting is unnecessary

The captain of the patrol ship, of course, was afraid. The ferry is large and capsizes, and its boat is small. In general, it all ended with Kim Kyung Il just shutting up Lee Zhong Soku's mouth, using the powers of the captain of the scene given to him by the coast guard.

After about 20 minutes, at 10.18, the ferry plunged, the passengers left on it died. When the leadership of the coast guard realized what they had done, they began to compose all these entertaining stories about the "unrecognized captain" who "escaped first." To admit that Li Zhong-suk had such demands, and to admit that they did not help him in any way, meant to take responsibility for the death of more than 300 people and sit down for a long time. The aged captain of the ferry looked like an ideal “scapegoat”, it was only necessary to create a negative reputation for him, put him in prison, where he would soon die.

If on the spot Kim Kyung Il would be a strong-willed and initiative person, guided by a sense of duty and ready to take risks, he could do a lot and save a lot of people. He could level the general discord and inconsistency in the organization of the operation. But he needed to act on his own, at his own peril and risk, which Kim Kyung Il did not.

This is the story.

If we talk about the guilty, then I would put in the first place the first assistant Kang Wok Sik, apparently, the initiator of disobedience to the captain. The second place is occupied by the captain of ship No. 123 Kim Kyung Il. The ferry captain Lee Zhong Suk in this case is a victim of circumstances and they convicted him clearly unfairly.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 June 2020 06: 11 New
    +1
    why so many dead?
    sloppiness has no nationality!
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 06: 14 New
      +7
      Sloppiness and panic due to general confusion. Panic on a ship is a terrible thing.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 08: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        Sloppiness

        Each crew member has a “Alarm schedule” in front of his nose and training alarms are held to consolidate the material. And here everyone walked one after another and did nothing. There was time - a carriage, it was possible to save everyone, they had a stupor, understand .....
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 08: 35 New
          +5
          Yes, there was no person who would kick the sailors out of this stupor with kicks and matyuki. For this we need officers with midshipmen, we found, below I brought a case from my own practice, check it out if it's interesting ... There’s some kind of numbness he finds, not fear, there is no fear as such, you are just slamming your eyes ... Then you need an old man or midshipman БЧ-5 of pre-retirement age, who will help you quickly remember what you should do according to the book of your battle number.
          1. Walking
            Walking 19 June 2020 08: 56 New
            +4
            Here it seems to me that the mentality of Koreans is implicated, they stupidly expect that the elders will order them, the initiative is punishable, the younger ones must obey.
        2. Far East
          Far East 19 June 2020 10: 40 New
          +2
          Dear Vladimir! the other day they saw off young sailors-bloodworms on a flight. I went into their cabin, and immediately noticed, they didn’t have an alarm over the room schedule and asked where your place was on alarm! answer: navigator, at the transition will print belay belay this is the number! am will distribute in places too at the transition! here! something like this! before, before leaving for two weeks, we played alarm-in places! I even (PLASTER) started up even though I and her sailor, without CYPists did not let out. in our car almost everyone was (CYPRIST) Here.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 19 June 2020 11: 38 New
            -4
            Quote: Far East
            anxiety in places!

            My son is a deputy. on the safety of navigation, I asked him about the "Alarm Schedule" on his ships. He says that there is an obligation! So not everything is lost.
            Sergei hi
            1. Far East
              Far East 19 June 2020 11: 56 New
              -2
              Vladimir, as we see the obligatory note on paper! 1 I'm talking about FACTS! I don’t want to offend, belittle ANYTHING, we all know how to do it, where and how much to bring! I'm not at your address, I'm talking about our reality! alas, so far not everyone is doing it. I DO NOT ALL EVERYTHING LOST! without sarcasm with respect hi
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 01 New
                0
                I specifically called and asked my son about this moment .... He was educated by Soviet teachers, so he still respects maritime regulations and rules ... I can’t vouch for the rest ...
                PS And now the ships are drowning, I also know .... hi
                1. Far East
                  Far East 19 June 2020 12: 10 New
                  -1
                  I'm not talking about your son. I'm talking about our (performers) my direct duties! hi
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 15 New
                    -2
                    That and I about the same! I am with the Shipping Register in the same building .....
                    1. Far East
                      Far East 19 June 2020 12: 16 New
                      -1
                      understanding! drinks
                      1. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 22 New
                        -1
                        And we are presented to them! Previously annually, now every three years.
                      2. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 24 New
                        -1
                        in! very sad! yes!
                      3. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 28 New
                        -2
                        We are both certified and approved by the Register ... Everything is monitored!
                      4. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 29 New
                        -1
                        I don’t even know what to say!
                      5. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 33 New
                        -3
                        Everything for the safety of navigation and the salvation of human life at sea ....
                      6. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 42 New
                        -1
                        it's sarcasm! and then I answered one under the nickname (Ragnar Lodbrok) I lost my thought. laughing lol
                      7. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 46 New
                        -1
                        We were thrown cons here, so that they would talk less about security ... Obviously a sea wolf! lol
                      8. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 49 New
                        -1
                        ha ha ha! Vladimir, you’re right, it’s obvious (pond jackal) laughing wassat
                      9. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 12: 53 New
                        -2
                        The little shed as green as duckweed in its swamp wassat
                      10. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 57 New
                        -2
                        that's for sure! see on the decommissioned (trough) practice did not pass before! see (chief) wants to become! lol lol
                      11. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 13: 00 New
                        -3
                        What to expect from the wretched .. stop
                      12. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 13: 08 New
                        -1
                        yeah! how are you with Putin! opened a net? we have taken on the sea in the rivers (pink salmon sim) sho then the forecasts are NOT VERY.
                      13. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 13: 12 New
                        -1
                        Similarly. Licensed fishing is only on Lutog, but they’re taken everywhere ....
                      14. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 13: 17 New
                        -2
                        got it! I’ll go to the gas station, gathered tomorrow (leave for the spinning) it was nice to talk! have a nice evening! hi
                      15. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 13: 18 New
                        -2
                        No tail, no scales! hi
                      16. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 13: 20 New
                        -3
                        thank! noble get (bite) laughing lol
                      17. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 19 June 2020 13: 24 New
                        -4
                        It's you for nothing ... It's like "seven feet under the keel"! Tomorrow I’m waiting for the catch report! good
                      18. Far East
                        Far East 19 June 2020 13: 25 New
                        -4
                        OK! Unsubscribe upon arrival! good drinks
  • 210ox
    210ox 19 June 2020 15: 59 New
    0
    I agree completely. And I would not bring here the features of the Korean mentality.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 19 June 2020 06: 30 New
    +4
    Purely out of curiosity, why did the roll sharply start at 8,40 and the sos were sent only at 8,55?
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 07: 05 New
      10
      We had an aggregate on the boat when it caught fire, crowded next to it like rams and looked at each other until with the first-time kicks it dispersed into places of a fire alarm, then they just started to extinguish how they taught and how they should. Panic as the virus spreads on the ship, I couldn’t convey some kind of stupor at all. The officers quickly pulled out of this state.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 19 June 2020 07: 13 New
        +3
        I understand it. It is simply surprising that when an emergency occurs, rescue services are not immediately informed. On a civilian ship, in my opinion this should be done very first. And then panic and everything else. After all, they can know NP successfully for survivability, they can fight or not. Everything is strange there from the beginning to the end and you are right the panic there has twisted everyone. That’s what they’ve been shouting about.
      2. Far East
        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 53 New
        -5
        (The rams looked at each other, until with the first-time kick he dispersed to the places of fire alarm, then they just started to put out how they taught and how they should.) N-Yes! see movies seen enough!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 June 2020 06: 33 New
    +3
    It's a sad story. In my opinion, the great fault lies with the coastal service. This is not the first case. And in many cases the coast played a big role. These are not only special vessels. But also numerous small vessels. Unfortunately, they became much smaller. And at sea and on rivers.
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 21 June 2020 08: 29 New
      0
      And what about coastal. The port of Yevpatoriya accepts ferries from Turkey (do not go now). Turn over such a few kilometers and there is no one to save from the shore. Well, a boat of border guards, a couple of boats of the Ministry of Emergencies. There are no boat parking for lovers, the beach is ragged. Inflatable, like mine, in garages.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 June 2020 06: 56 New
    -2
    I can’t even believe that this could happen in the 21st century.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 June 2020 08: 41 New
    0
    Kingstones open and close from the bridge, but who exactly did this remains unknown. This could be done by Lee Zhong Suk himself or Kang Won Sik, the first assistant.
    It is unlikely, since the ship built in 1994 could not control the Kingston and ballast pumps from the bridge, all this is done by order of the captain in the engine room in the "melee". Well, if they say "chief mechanic Park Ki Ho in 8.52 ordered to stop the cars and evacuate the engine room. The ship without a course, of course, could no longer get to any shallow.
    It is also known that the captain in 8.52 ordered the second assistant Kim Yong Ho to start the sump pumps, to which he received the answer that the pumps did not work. At 8.54, the captain ordered the chief mechanic to go down to the engine room and start the pumps, but this order was not executed. "
    The mechanisms do not work, what can be the struggle for survivability, launch boats and announce "Abandon ship alarm" (alarm to leave the ship). You won’t do anything else. Any disaster at sea on a passenger ship is fraught with great casualties, from 50 to 70%.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 08: 58 New
      +7
      There is such a thing. "Admiral Nakhimov" confirms this. The whole chain of tragic errors and accidents, all came together, by will or not, you will believe in rock, fate, the line of the sea ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 June 2020 09: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        There is such a thing. "Admiral Nakhimov" confirmation of this

        Nakhimov sank in a matter of minutes, as far as I remember.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        There is such a thing. "Admiral Nakhimov" confirmation of this.

        The ferry Estonia is a confirmation of this. And also on January 15.01.1993, 39, at night in the Baltic Sea near the island of Rügen, the Polish ferry Jan Gevelius crashed. At the time of the disaster, there were 21 passengers and 50 crew members on the ferry. The bodies of XNUMX people were discovered. Six passengers were delivered to German hospitals in critical condition.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 19 June 2020 09: 17 New
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    The ferry captain Lee Zhong Suk in this case is a victim of circumstances and convicted him clearly unfairly.

    Will the captain calmly climb onto the rescue boat, leaving several hundred passengers on board the sinking ship, and not to blame? Then in general, what can be called guilt? What kind of nonsense?
    He had to grab the microphone and bark at the on-board broadcast: "Everything is up! The ship is sinking, leave the ship!" Instead, he swears with someone, someone does not obey him, and this offends all the fibers of his soul, which gives him the right to spit on everything and quietly turn off the ferry. fool
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 41 New
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      Quote: glory1974
      He had to grab the microphone and bark at the on-board broadcast: "Everything is up! The ship is sinking, leave the ship!"
      You are right, the Abandon Ship alarm (“leave the ship”) is given only by the captain, and in a voice. In front of this bell of a loud battle announce the general ship and boat alarm. If the first two alarms were immediately announced, the people would have gathered according to the Muser list "and took places at the boats and rafts, and the captain would have to give the command to leave the ship. Especially at 08.52. The ship was de-energized, this would be that moment. Timely orders would not have led to such large casualties, but they could not have done without them.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 June 2020 09: 18 New
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    It’s nice to know that we are not like the Koreans. We do not panic, we do not have a stupor in critical situations ... that's just not true. Already not true. Unfortunately, this terrifying fact is not recognized by society. Till...
    The fact is that this situation, this is precisely the behavior of responsible people in a crisis, all this is now characteristic of almost the whole world. How did it happen? But nothing complicated! At the end of the last century, numerous methods for reformatting the psyche of people, and its initial development in the manner required by someone, were finally developed. How were they used? All over the world - the same!
    States began to break the brains of subjects, seeking to ensure the greatest loyalty and manageability! So that is all. Humanity has begun the finishing stretch to the next extinction. A ribbon of mourning color is already visible. Processed in the style of "greater loyalty", humility in Russian speaking, humanity is no longer able to cope with challenges. Blown away!
    After all, these sailors were carefully taught. The situation is standard. They both studied, and regularly passed exams-retooked ... but in a real situation, the intentionally weakened psyche simply breaks. And this happens more and more often, at the most critical points.
    Do not think that we have better. We have even worse, at times, just the base was very high. But the base is not endless ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 19 June 2020 09: 39 New
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      After all, these sailors were carefully taught. The situation is standard. They both studied, and regularly passed exams-retooked ... but in a real situation, the intentionally weakened psyche simply breaks.

      They must be trained. If they fall into a stupor, the officers give commands, if they need a penal, in the extreme case they beat in the ear. After that, if the personnel are really trained and trained, everyone starts to run and carry out their duties. If the ferry was not so, one more minus to the captain, who had been sailing for 40 years, and then relaxed and ceased to fulfill his duties as expected.
      1. Far East
        Far East 19 June 2020 12: 27 New
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        everything is done on the machine! if you knew what to do in this situation! hi hi
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 19 June 2020 12: 34 New
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          What are you talking about, heartfelt? When you yourself find yourself in such a situation, then I’ll look at you, the cardboard hero.
          1. Far East
            Far East 19 June 2020 12: 38 New
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            hear son! how much you went into the sea! you educate your children first! if you have something to do!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Mikhail3
      After all, these sailors were carefully taught. The situation is standard. They studied, and regularly passed the exams, retook.

      This is just not a standard situation. No matter how you teach, but there is no standard catastrophe, everything here depends on the person. And the captain visits her once during his marine life, very, very rarely, when twice.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 19 June 2020 12: 26 New
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        I'm sorry. This is not a movie. In real life, disasters and accidents are not a subject for high-sounding reasoning, but part of the work of responsible people. And because they are almost all standard. I will say more) They are described in the instructions that should be studied, and then pass tests and exams on them. In this case, the situation is most banal - the displacement of cargo on the cargo deck. In this scenario, sailors and training are required to conduct, as part of the struggle for survivability.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 June 2020 12: 31 New
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          Quote: Mikhail3
          In this scenario, sailors and training are required to conduct

          There are no trainings, but the “Manual on cargo securing”, as one of the guiding documents on each ship should be. The same is with the stevedoring company carrying out the loading.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 19 June 2020 12: 42 New
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            It has nothing to do with one another. It does not matter what had to be done BEFORE the disaster. The question is that there is a catastrophe, and we must work DURING it. Work correctly. At my workplace, I survived and repaid dozens of accidents, preventing them from developing into disasters. My colleagues are hundreds. Acting quickly, skillfully and according to instructions. And before that I taught these instructions, then my colleagues and I trained, then passed tests and exams. And so every year. Job...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 June 2020 13: 36 New
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              Quote: Mikhail3
              It has nothing to do with one another. It does not matter what had to be done BEFORE the disaster.

              Cargo securing, this is one of the most important tasks when loading, as you put it down, you go. It looks so simple, and as the senior officer responsible for loading, practically does not get out of the holds and does not sleep. Sea gouging does not forgive. How many disasters were with the displacement of the cargo, only people of the sea know this. They are no less than collisions and fires. It seldom happened when a ship came to port after cargo displacement. And when it happened, do not waste time, lane the boat, and go away from the ship.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 21 June 2020 11: 01 New
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                Firstly, this article is not asked this question, because your reasoning for the situation does not have the slightest relation. The fact that the load must be properly secured is for the junior school of speech. Not fixed, late to rush. This article is about this - about inappropriate actions during an accident.
                Secondly, can you cite an excerpt from some regulatory documents, instructions, instructions that require you to leave the ship with passengers and flee, as you recommend?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 June 2020 21: 24 New
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                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  Secondly, can you cite an excerpt from some regulatory documents, instructions, instructions that require you to leave the ship with passengers and flee, as you recommend?

                  There is also no other way around. We, as Soviet people, brought up under the USSR, could not leave our passengers. They would fight to the last, and would die along with everyone. And now, other moral standards and views on human life.
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 22 June 2020 09: 12 New
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                    That is, all this is chatter. I'm sorry.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 22 June 2020 09: 14 New
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                      Quote: Mikhail3
                      That is, all this is chatter. I'm sorry.

                      I don’t know, but for us Soviet sailors, this was the norm.
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 19 June 2020 09: 42 New
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    I read the previous article about the death of the ferry. He died due to the fact that the cargo was not secured. Having received the roll, the cargo moved and the ferry could not return to its position. This is the direct fault of the captain, who did not control the actions of his assistants, who are responsible for securing the cargo.
    In general, there is not a single fact mitigating the guilt of the captain. Why the author of the article claims that the captain is not to blame is not clear. all the facts set forth in the articles (of both) contradict this.
    Although of course there is a saying: "If this contradicts the facts, so much the worse for the facts." lol
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 10: 05 New
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      Yes, by your logic, the captain is even to blame for the fact that the sailor smoked in the wrong place, at night watch and a fire started .. He did not control where his subordinates were smoking while he was sleeping ..
      And do not forget that this is not a warship ..
      It is clear that the management of the ferry is his responsibility .. and there is part of the blame on it .. But, the captain cannot go and check the actions of each crew member, he has an appropriate assistant for this .. But to the assistant responsible for loading, here , yes, questions of the sea ..
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 19 June 2020 10: 54 New
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        Yes, by your logic, the captain is even to blame

        The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship. Yes, the ship is not a military ship, and you will probably be surprised, but on civilian ships they also control orders, not requests.
        But, the captain cannot walk and check the actions of each crew member; he has an appropriate assistant for this.

        And the captain, according to the instructions, must control the actions of the assistants. In this case, the cargo was not secured. either the captain did not control this, or allowed to do so. In both cases, he is 100% to blame.
        Read the previous article A Japanese container ship tilted, but the cargo remained in place, the ship did not drown, no one died. The captain treated his duties as expected, so the result is the same.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: 2 level advisor
        And do not forget that this is not a warship.

        And what is the difference between a ship captain and a ship commander?
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 11: 08 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          And what is the difference between a ship captain and a ship commander?

          where do the captains? Discipline and emergency response is conducted differently .. You will not argue that discipline and organization are better on a warship?

          Quote: glory1974
          The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship.

          I said this, that he is responsible in any case .. But between responsibility and direct fault, a big difference, don’t you find?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 June 2020 11: 26 New
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            Quote: 2 level advisor
            Discipline and emergency response is conducted differently .. You will not argue that discipline and organization are better on a warship?

            Discipline and the struggle for vitality are two different things. The struggle for survivability is the same everywhere and for civilian ships there is the convention "SOLAS", the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, which operates throughout the world and checks Port State Control in each port. (State Port Control). There is no difference between the captain and the commander in the areas of navigation, safety, survivability and crews train at the same level. But no one is safe from sloppiness and a mess, he was, is and will be in the whole world and in all fleets.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 19 June 2020 11: 27 New
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            he is responsible in any case .. But between responsibility and direct fault, a big difference, don’t you find?

            You are already delving into the legal subtleties. Direct or indirect fault. Mitigating or aggravating circumstances.
            If he is responsible, he is responsible for this. The measure of responsibility is determined by the court. The ferry captain was given a life sentence. I believe that correctly, through his fault 400 people were killed.
            Attempts to evade responsibility, citing that the assistant did not secure the load correctly, or that he did not know about tidal currents in places where he had sailed for 40 years, are unsuccessful. Even the captain is guilty of trying to riot on the ship because he created the prerequisites for this.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 11: 36 New
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              Well, from the point of view of the conviction, as the consequences of the legal process of investigation, we also need to delve into the legal details for fair punishment. So, you can send the Minister of Internal Affairs to the pancreas, because there are crimes of police officers and his subordinates through whose fault people die and a lot, and he is responsible for the work of the ministry ..
              I’ll even say a little differently, why only he was punished, are there the rest white and fluffy? Innocent: both the rioters in an emergency and the assistant in charge of securing the cargo and the coast guard ship leaving no one in danger? I am not saying that he is innocent; I am saying that he is not the main culprit or, in any case, he is not alone.
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 19 June 2020 15: 09 New
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                I am not saying that he is innocent; I am saying that he is not the main culprit or, in any case, he is not alone.

                I agree here. Of course he is not the only culprit.
                ak, you can send the Minister of Internal Affairs to the pancreas, because there are crimes of police officers and his subordinates through whose fault people die and a lot, and he is responsible for the work of the ministry ..

                That's right. So it was in recent history. In the USSR, police killed a KGB officer. During the investigation, it turned out that their killings and robberies were put on stream. Which was one of the reasons for the resignation of the minister.
                Furthermore. Now a guarantee system has been introduced in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. When they take an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the service, officials will learn for him. If he steals, not only he leaves, but also his guarantors.
                The chiefs of the police department are responsible for the order on their territory. If murders take place on his territory, then without taking measures he will fly off his post in 2 accounts.
                At sea, only the captain is the main ship. His orders are binding on everyone. How he organizes control over the execution of his orders is his own business. Can personally go check, maybe send an assistant.
                You want to convince me that the article is about a good king (captain) and bad boyars (helpers, navigators, skippers, etc.). The captain is fine, well, maybe a little guilty. But the boyars-nits do not allow people to rule correctly. As a result, 400 corpses.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 16: 02 New
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                  Quote: glory1974
                  You want to convince me that the article is about a good king (captain) and bad boyars (helpers, navigators, skippers, etc.). The captain is fine, well, maybe a little guilty. But the boyars-nits do not allow people to rule correctly. As a result, 400 corpses.

                  Of course I don’t want to convince of this, it’s not so .. Although he did not choose his assistants, as the king chooses. I’m just talking about the fact that it’s not only his fault, but in fact it’s just him ..
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 June 2020 21: 30 New
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        Quote: 2 level advisor
        Yes, by your logic, the captain is even to blame for the fact that the sailor smoked in the wrong place, on a night watch and a fire started.

        If the company commander slept at night, and the watch did not notice how the Germans (or maybe someone else) dragged their tongue. Who will be to blame and who will be judged?
    2. wehr
      19 June 2020 10: 49 New
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      This is the logic of the Sudeikins, who see only guilt in everything, and do not separate objective circumstances from conscious actions. When the Sudeikins themselves are put on trial, their past pathos of accusation does not stop them from pleading for leniency. laughing This is hypocrisy.

      The ferry died from a collision with a tidal current. Normally, he should not have been there. The ferry was detained in the port of Incheon due to fog. The reason is compelling - you can’t get into the fog along the winding fairway of Incheon. The delay led the steam to the strait at the peak of the tidal current. This is the main factor in the crash.
      What is the captain's fault? That there are tidal currents? Is Incheon’s waterway complicated and he complied with the port’s order, rather than driving his ship aground? Was the blow too strong? There are no signs of his conscious decision.
      But the riot on the ship of the first mate is a conscious decision. And a rubber boat for hundreds of passengers is also a conscious decision.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 19 June 2020 11: 07 New
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        The ferry died from a collision with a tidal current. Normally, he should not have been there. The ferry was detained in the port of Incheon due to fog. The reason is compelling - you can’t get into the fog along the winding fairway of Incheon.

        The port dispatching service fulfilled its duties, did not release the ferry into the fog.
        The delay led the steam to the strait at the peak of the tidal current. This is the main factor in the crash.

        Stupid captain, did not know that there are tidal currents, and did not even imagine that they could bring any problems.
        What is the main factor: tidal current or not knowing about them the captain of the ship?
        Was the blow too strong? There are no signs of his conscious decision.
        But the riot on the ship of the first mate is a conscious decision.

        What are double standards? Riot on the ship - a conscious decision of the captain? The blow of the current does not depend on the captain, the rebellion is also independent. Or depends?
        This is the logic of the Sudeikins.

        why this passage is not clear. If only for the purpose of veiled show neglect of people with a different point of view.
        But be aware that psychiatrists claim a tendency to invent new words, or remake existing ones, is based on mental rejection.
        1. wehr
          19 June 2020 12: 32 New
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          For new concepts and phenomena, new terms and words are needed. If words were not invented, then we would still use interjections. laughing

          Well yes, neglect. Your point of view does not deserve anything else, since this is a sweeping condemnation without a detailed analysis of the circumstances. So that you are so condemned, indiscriminately and without condescension.

          Remembering the currents is the responsibility of the navigator. He has a license. Here the navigator had to warn the captain that there was a dangerous current that the ship could not cope with, and to offer a detour. Here there should already be a decision by the captain what to choose.
          But we have no information that the navigator did something similar before entering the strait.
          Another circumstance: the ferry went along one route, with a constant schedule, calculated taking into account all the tides, ebbs and currents.
          The captain would be guilty of the shipwreck only if he received a warning from the navigator about the danger, listened to him, but decided to go ahead.

          You want to say that the captain organized the riot on the ship? How funny!! You are simply hilarious in your revealing pathos.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 19 June 2020 14: 58 New
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            Your point of view does not deserve anything else, since this is a sweeping condemnation without a detailed analysis of the circumstances.

            I understood. You are a writer, not a reader. Because you are not able to read, you yourself wrote it.
            According to the text, the captain is to blame everywhere for you, but as a result, in the last sentence, he is not to blame.
            By the way, about this ferry, I got information exclusively from your two articles. I made my opinion, but based on your writings. And this opinion is neglected.
            Well then, bathe in your exclusivity.
            Either you could not convey your thoughts to the readers, or you yourself did not understand the subject. Rather, both.
            Knowing that you can’t stand the criticism, I take my leave. hi
            1. wehr
              19 June 2020 17: 22 New
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              Yes please!
              You cannot be convinced of anything. Because you have a filter: the captain is to blame. Then you perceive, or even distort information, so that it fits this filter.
              So you can read anything and from anywhere. By the way, you are not the only one.

              You here in other comments were crucified that the orders of the captain should be followed. Well, the whole story is about his orders were not followed. Put yourself in the same situation: you have not obeyed, time is running out inexorably, you have no weapons and no physical condition (the captain was 69 years old) to charge the first assistant on the scoreboard. What will you do? laughing
              1. pacific
                pacific 22 June 2020 23: 03 New
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                you have no weapons and no physical condition (the captain was 69 years old) to charge the first assistant on the scoreboard. What will you do?

                In itself, “loading the scoreboard” to the first assistant or another initiator of disobedience in such a critical situation could cause a countershock in all of those present.
                But in general, the captain is to blame for having brought the situation in the carriage to the extent that the crew found it possible not to obey his orders. I would understand if he arrived on the ship just before leaving on this unfortunate voyage. But he had been on board for quite some time and could not put himself up properly.
                This is possible either if the captain is a complete zero as a person (which is doubtful because this cap, according to the author, has been captain for 40 years), or the informal leader is a relative of one of the shipowners. I once had one such a start-up - a cousin-second cousin of the shipowner. Young, arrogant and not to be found. I had to put up with it and endure, but I intelligibly made it clear to others that they were just relatives of the shipowners. So that my crew was quite manageable.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 June 2020 10: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: glory1974
      In general, there is not a single fact mitigating the guilt of the captain.

      Captain can't be "not to blame" for the captain is responsible for everything, and always to blame.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 11: 11 New
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        responsible and guilty .. different concepts ... the police are responsible for the security of the area, but there was a murder in the area, is the police to blame for the murder?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 June 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: 2 level advisor
          police responsible for district security

          What kind of police ????
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 19 June 2020 11: 39 New
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            I’ll ask in another way: the chief of the region’s police is guilty for the fact that the district policeman from his area killed someone somewhere? He is responsible for organizing the service of the region, after all!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 June 2020 11: 56 New
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              Quote: 2 level advisor
              He is responsible for organizing the service of the region, after all!

              There is no police responsible for a region of water (sea or ocean). The captain is responsible for organizing the service on the ship. Supervisory authorities are the flag states, port states and the classification society (register); they are an effective tool for the supervision of compliance by ships with international conventions, requirements, norms, standards in the field of maritime safety, the preservation of human life at sea (SOLAS), and the prevention of environmental pollution ( MORPOL).
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 19 June 2020 12: 27 New
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      The cargo is engaged in super cargo.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 19 June 2020 16: 37 New
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    Those who blame the captain for all sins should ask the question: what would you do yourself in a situation where the team does not obey you and does not obey orders?

    I am not a specialist, and I do not blame anyone.
    But in this situation, in my opinion, there is only one way out - to cut down the instigator of the riot. Immediately and by any means available. For formally you are the captain, and in any case all questions will be for you.

    Surviving passenger Kim Sung Mok repeatedly stated in an interview that neither helicopters nor the ship were instructed to leave the ship.

    I’m completely out - the ship is in a roll, now it will roll over, and the passengers waiting evacuation team. And, CSC, do nothing? I somehow do not believe. There must be a sense of self-preservation - like grab an armful of wife, children and a hat and overboard? Or passengers are clearly driven into the head - like, without the command of the captain, the ship does not leave? They drove everyone through the cabins, or something, and told them not to lean out, but did they sit and wait?

    On a sea cruise - not a foot!
  • bar
    bar 20 June 2020 16: 39 New
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    why so many dead? 304 people is a lot. Especially considering that the ferry was not sinking so far from the coast

    With about the same percentage of those who died / saved us in 2015, “Bulgaria” drowned in the river altogether. sad
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 21 June 2020 16: 01 New
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    Quote: wehr
    .... The reason is compelling - you can’t get into the fog along the winding fairway of Incheon .....

    What is serious? Strange ....
    This, as I understand it, is not fog (I personally shot it in 2003, it seems)

    it's on the move



    and this is already in the port ... who has been there will surely recognize the port of Chemulpo hi
    py-sy
    I took off the board of the m / v "Siberian-2115" cs - UHNT, went to them in the position of ShRM
  • pacific
    pacific 22 June 2020 23: 07 New
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    I alone “liked” the old man who stopped the main engine without an order from the bridge and later refused to start it?
    1. Grishka cat
      Grishka cat 20 July 2020 22: 17 New
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      It seems that this is not a team, but some kind of watering can.
  • Grishka cat
    Grishka cat 20 July 2020 22: 08 New
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    Yes, they fancy business, they ruined the people.
  • cradle
    cradle 11 August 2020 05: 59 New
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    In Bukhalov's situation on NG (2001) and a fire on a ship at the quay wall. I gave the command to de-energize and disassemble the fire hoses. And only when it turned out that the nuts on the sleeves were different was the coastal fire department called. Only one cockpit with a blanket burned out ... We got off with a slight fright. From the future, but they acted "automatically" and this happened on a strange, unfamiliar vessel. All the same, training in the BZZhS does its function. Therefore, trainings, trainings, trainings of the crew again, so that even from the future everyone would act without panic and correctly.