In "Roskosmos" revealed plans for space launches

The Russian state corporation Roscosmos intends to carry out more than twenty space launches from June 2020 to July 2021. This was reported on the public procurement website.

In total, according to the site, it is planned to launch twenty launch vehicles from the Baikonur Cosmodrome and six launches from the Vostochny Cosmodrome. It is specified that three launches of Proton rockets and 17 Soyuz-2 rockets will be launched from Baikonur, and six Soyuz-2 launch vehicles will be launched from Vostochny. There is no information about the cargoes planned to be put into orbit.

Earlier, Dmitry Rogozin, director general of Roskosmos, said that during 2020 the corporation planned to carry out 33 space launches, of which nine may be disrupted due to the coronavirus pandemic and the bankruptcy of OneWeb.

To date, Roscosmos has carried out only seven space launches, four of which were carried out from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, and three from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. Launches from Vostochny were not made this year.

Earlier, the corporation announced the completion of construction and testing of a new launch pad for the Angara space rocket complex for the Vostochny spaceport. The first small-sized sections of the table were sent on June 11 to the cosmodrome by rail.

Comments

[Lannan Shi]

Believe Rogozin - do not respect yourself. I remember last year he promised about 40 launches. There were no viruses, however ...

[Lannan Shi]

MOSCOW, August 1. / TASS /. The Roscosmos State Corporation will perform about 2019 launches in 40. This was stated by its CEO Dmitry Rogozin during a working meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Em. Not my words, tass however. Through the Kremlin mouthpiece. And what exactly are you unhappy about, gentlemen minusers? The fact that Rogozin is systematically lying? Or that you forget that he lied a year ago? So what do I have to do with it?

[smart ass]

Now, if you wrote that the rogue mask and the rogue would catch the pluses)

[donavi49]

Well, the con artist Musk launched 3 rockets in two weeks.
Here is today's pack of internet ...


Soon, very soon in every smartphone.

[Ghost of reagan]

There already on 304L stainless steel go to Boca Chica and the hangar for SuperHeavy begins to do. Ready to bet that Starship will fly 100km by the end of the year. But the next year 2021 will be right VERY hot for the launches of new LVs.

[Narak-zempo]

Musk floods near-earth space at such a speed that soon there will be no free orbits. It would be better if he took care of cleaning up space debris. But no, it is Roskosmos that does it, which is very disliked by the striped ones: https://topwar.ru/171918-na-zapade-vstrevozheny-izvestiem-o-rossijskoj-seti-dlja-sbora-kosmicheskogo-musora-nazvana -prichina.html
Still, "Falcon" looks poorly visually compared to "Soyuz". It looks like a fun mushroom. And these tricks with landing on a barge have already become boring to the public, except for the completely stoned fans.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Narak-zempo

It would be better if he took care of cleaning up space debris. But no, it is Roscosmos that does it.

He does nothing, he only patented a certain string bag for collecting garbage, which we have the most in orbit.

[Thunderbringer]

How do you do it?
On the one hand, we run the least, on the other, our garbage the most.
Let's do it.
Russia does not launch anything at all, it's all cartoons. And Russia is to blame for all the garbage in space.
Why pull the cat for all the details, go straight to the point.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Thunderbringer

How do you do it?
On the one hand, we run the least, on the other, our garbage the most.

I have never written that Russia launches the least. Well, and since we are the successor of the USSR, then the garbage from the USSR is considered ours.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Well, and since we are the successor of the USSR, then the garbage from the USSR is considered ours.

and US trash is not considered US trash?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: SanichSan

and US trash is not considered US trash?

It is considered. So what?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It is considered. So what?

so who has the most debris in orbit?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: SanichSan

so who has the most debris in orbit?

In Russia.

[Sanichsan]

confident statement! perhaps you have arguments other than "Russia"?

[Greenwood]

Quote: Narak-zempo

Still, "Falcon" looks poorly visually compared to "Soyuz". It looks like a fun mushroom. And these tricks with landing on a barge have already become boring to the public, except for the completely stoned fans.

When you don't know what to find fault with, you have to find fault with the appearance and the "tricks".

[Oleg Zorin]

Have a little conscience, Narak-zempo

[vadimtt]

SpaceX has taken care of garbage collection - inactive, dead satellites will come off orbit and burn out. These satellites hang in orbit while they are alive, due to the constant correction of the orbit by ion engines. And he died - fell and burned. And no trash. You would at least read something about the project in advance.

[vadim dok]

He also planted the first stage on the platform and caught the shutters of the payload head fairing!

[Tonpengof]

I'm afraid to offend, but it is not soon that Srarlink has disconnected from Mask and is funded by the Pentagon, which for three years will be tested and work for the military and probably will not work for a citizen.

[post]

yes now in every smartphone

[Boratsagdiev]

And of course you believe in free internet

[Awaz]

Gyyy, do you try to at least go into the forest for 20 kilometers from the nearest ZhSM station? Even if you climb the highest tree, you will not find any connection. Starlink flying in which orbit? Read on Wikipedia at least. Although they lie there, they do not always understand the essence and sometimes they write the truth.
Starlink can’t work with any modern smartphone, because the satellite is too far away. For its operation, ground-based infrastructure is needed, similar to standard ZhSM stations. NU or Musk will start selling super smartphones. Principle is also a business.

[TermNachTer]

Do not tell me why NASA has booked 5 seats on Russian ships? Maybe Musk decided to do the trampolines again?

[Blackmokona]

Because the exchange of places.
Our astronauts will be on the Dragons, and they will appear on the Unions.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4074201

Russian cosmonauts will fly on American commercial spacecraft as soon as they are put into operation and pass the necessary tests, said First Deputy Head of the Cosmonaut Training Center Maxim Kharlamov at the XIV International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS-2019) in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

[TermNachTer]

When it will be? From the purchase of engines, too, refused?

[Blackmokona]

The engines are bought by ULA for Atlas, and ATK Orbital for Antares
The SpaceX company that brought astronauts on its Dragon-2 ship with its Falcon-9 rocket never bought engines from us, and it develops and produces all its engines exclusively on its own.
Most likely, the first astronaut on the Dragon will fly next year.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Most likely, the first astronaut on the Dragon will fly next year.

No. This is still a long way off. Next year the commercial "Soyuz MS" flies with tourists.

[TermNachTer]

I meant the RD - 180 engines, which NASA purchased. Regarding the fact that NASA has booked seats with the Russians, this means that victorious reports sounded on this site - like "Roscosmos" - fss. Musk will kick the Russians out of this business with his cheap, reusable ships. And what do we see? And we see that this is not something to say, but even to think, while it's too early

[Blackmokona]

And here too early? The last ticket purchased by NASA leaves in September and that’s all, no further a dollar from NASA will come for seats

[TermNachTer]

And I read for October. And there will be November, etc. The all-ringer again hurried a little

[Blackmokona]

Why? After the first successful flight with people, NASA simply does not receive permission to purchase seats and that’s it.

[TermNachTer]

Blind said see

[Oleg Zorin]

I probably missed. Has such an agreement already been signed with Musk?

[Blackmokona]

And here Musk, this is an agreement between NASA and Rosskosmos. NASA will simply buy places from the Mask, and transfer one place to Rosskosmos in exchange for a place in the Union

[Sanichsan]

Quote: BlackMokona

NASA will simply buy places from the Mask, and transfer one place to Rosskosmos in exchange for a place in the Union

Hyperloop Mask will be faster and cheaper than regular trains! and the gigofactory Mask will be all robotic and receive electricity only from environmentally friendly solar panels. and the mask will bring profit to the owner.
what else will be?
Rogozin's campaign, who is all lies, "nervously smokes aside" in comparison with Mask

[Blackmokona]

Well, that is, there are three working Mask gigafactories, the first place in sales of electric cars, the first place in commercial launches and so on. This is certainly better than Rogozinskaya unfinished first phase of the east.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, that is, there are three working gigafactories Mask

Mask? definitely not Panasonic?

Quote: BlackMokona

first place in sales of electric cars

from the Chinese kit? achievement!

Quote: BlackMokona

first place in commercial launches

and the latter for nonprofits.
but you can continue to believe that Musk created PayPal

Quote: BlackMokona

This is certainly better than Rogozinskaya unfinished first phase of the east.

Well, Rogozin, of course, for 2 years of work in Roscosmos, the astronauts did not land on the moon, but Musk could not. from Rogozin, astronauts fly to the ISS, and Mask .. hmm ... how many years did he get stuck in order to bring the astronauts to the ISS?
I agree that Roscosmos is not perfect, but the Launch for the SpaceX dough is very far from the Vostochny Cosmodrome.

[Blackmokona]

1) Mask for sure
2) No, just when Gigafactory 3 opened in the PRC, it turned out that there were very few Chinese kompektuhi.
3) So created, this is a historical fact.
4) Rogozin chief for the space program is much longer than two years. Look at what he was responsible for in the previous post. He was the chief of the Russian Space Agency. He was lowered for failures

[Sanichsan]

put a minus for it

Quote: BlackMokona

3) So created, this is a historical fact.

"PayPal was founded in December 1998, and it was then called Confinity. Initially, the company planned to write software for handhelds. The founders are our compatriot, Soviet Jew Max Levchin, as well as Peter Thiel, Luke Nosek and Ken Howery. There is no Mask on the list of PayPal creators.

PayPal was coined inside Confinity in 1999 as a service for quick money transfers. Under this idea, money was taken from an investor, BlueRun Ventures. That is, the version of the myth about “PayPal was created thanks to the wise investment from the part of Mask” is also not working - PayPal is created and acquires all the main characteristics that are currently available before any interaction with the other company where Mask works, generally begins.

PayPal develops and begins to receive investments (already working, and not being in the role of a startup). After the appearance of a fat investor and on his advice, the purchase of similar start-ups begins (standard move). And one of these startups is unprofitable at that time X.com, which wants to be an online bank, but cannot develop. X.com has invested 10 million bucks, but it sits at a loss, the business does not go. I.Mask works there. Musk comes to Confinity, draws dazzling prospects, and his startup is bought among others, and they put him in charge of advertising-marketing. "
taken from here: https: //www.atraining.ru/trainers/karmanov/myths-and-truth-elon-musk/
go read ... hurt yourself
I understand that it is possible to discuss about whose rockets are better and whether electric cars have great prospects, but why lie?

[Blackmokona]

The two companies listed in your copy-paste have merged, and not one has bought the other. As a result of the merger, Musk became CEO of the merged company. To make it clear who is in charge.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because the exchange of places.
Our astronauts will be on the Dragons, and they will appear on the Unions.

And why?
Do Americans not trust the reliability of their ships?
Then why should our fly on their ships, as testers? Do not understand ...

[Thunderbringer]

Because humanity is exploring the cosmos together. Despite the measured steepness of individual countries.

[Blackmokona]

If the Union or the Dragon decide to make a boom, then it will be possible to continue calmly on another. And do not rush the investigation, and will not be subject to additional risks

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because swap places

Ahem ... and what for a goat button accordion, interesting?

as soon as they are put into operation and pass the necessary tests

A significant clarification ... that is, it will be still oh-soon

[Blackmokona]

In order for the Union to fall off again, conduct a normal investigation, and not drive horses.
Why not soon? The unmanned flight was perfect, the CAC check in the air, too, now the first astronauts are already in orbit. A full-time mission with two Americans and a Japanese is expected in August

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

The unmanned flight was perfect, the CAC check in the air too ...

There are reasonable doubts on the second point. "Ideally" is spelled with "e".

I did not count on your answer, by the way. To argue with the sectarians - thank you, I'm lazy.

[Blackmokona]

And what went wrong in your opinion?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

And what went wrong in your opinion?

No, everything went just like that: they activated the SAS as planned, then the media jerked beautifully ... but somehow this does not pull on a full-fledged crash test

Strictly speaking, even the reverse sequence of actions does not work either. Keyword "planned"

[Blackmokona]

And how can you arrange a non-planned accident for a planned test?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

How can I arrange a non-planned accident for a planned test?

Well, for example, bring down a rocket in flight

[Blackmokona]

It will be a planned accident

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

It will be a planned accident

And this is how to look ... in any case, it is obviously unknown where it will fly and what will fail. And how the CAC will react to this.

In any case - differently better than what was shown to us in the "Mask Show" under the guise of tests

[Blackmokona]

CAC will react as it is programmed. If the rocket is damaged, it will cut the engines in full and try to fly away. But the rocket can fly into the ship itself, and then the tests will fail even with an ideal CAC. A couple hundred million dollars will burn in the atmosphere is useless

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BlackMokona

a couple hundred million dollars burn in the atmosphere is useless

C'mon - they’ll still print

By the way, a negative result is also a result

[ender]

February 8, 2017 The whole world
NASA booked five seats on Soyuz ships

https://polit.info/323401-nasa-zabronirovalo-pyat-mest-na-korablyah-soyuz

2017th Carl

[Rubi0]

And in your opinion it’s so opa and move the 21 launch pad from Baikonur to Russia, look at the same YouTube in one concrete pad only, like 50 houses. The Russian Federation has to recreate the entire infrastructure that was scattered across other republics, unlike the United States, which use the same 21 dies on the cape from the 60s and do not bear any additional costs. Yes, it’s sad slowly, but the alternative is to just fold your arms and crawl into the cemetery

[smart ass]

Everything according to the estimate when they built the east just money for 50 houses was stolen by friends of Rogozin

[carstorm 11]

in fact, he’s been at the helm for two years in Roscosmos. Well, that would be known. from May 24, 2018

[smart ass]

I don’t know how you are at work, but our leader has a responsibility and nobody cares about the position even yesterday. Maybe that's why my organization is growing at 20% per year.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Clever man

I don’t know how you are at work, but our manager has a responsibility and nobody cares about the position even yesterday

Wait a minute: for example, three years ago in your organization they planned to grow (over five years) by 100%. For three years, your predecessor steered this, and it’s not something that didn’t grow, but also fell slightly ... and here you came - all of you are such a Wise Man ... and they gave coal - every year they spread ... whatever you said? Yeah, at 20 ...

Attention, questions:

1. Has your organization’s five-year plan been implemented (100% in 5 years)?
2. Do you answer, as you have worked for 2 years, for the fact that this plan is not done?

[Jack sklo]

Before that, for several years in the rank of deputy prime minister, he oversaw the space industry and personally controlled the construction of Vostochny.

[slipped]

Quote: Jack Sklo

and personally controlled the construction of Vostochny.

You have a cause and effect relationship. He would be appointed curator just when it became clear that something had gone wrong in the construction and the arrests of the leadership of Spetsstroy immediately began.

[tagil]

Who did you take up the discussion with? Kremlebot kicked and move on. And let him bark at your back.

You can go further, resident of "brotherly", neighboring Gabon.

[Sergey39]

The article announces launches from Baikonur and Vostochny. There is also Plesetsk, the launches from which are not advertised.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Sergey39

There is also Plesetsk, the launches from which are not advertised.

Because it is still a military spaceport, and the military somehow do not really advertise their activities.

[carstorm 11]

Well, they did 25. which is also not enough.

[Dangerous]

Well, yes, they promised you a salary of, for example, 40 thousand, and paid 25 - normally Grigory!

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Great, Konstantin!

[Civil]

Quote: Lannan Shi

MOSCOW, August 1. / TASS /. The Roscosmos State Corporation will perform about 2019 launches in 40. This was stated by its CEO Dmitry Rogozin during a working meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Em. Not my words, tass however. Through the Kremlin mouthpiece. And what exactly are you unhappy about, gentlemen minusers? The fact that Rogozin is systematically lying? Or that you forget that he lied a year ago? So what do I have to do with it?

How can you say that? Rogozin is a holy man, there is simply a negative growth of launches, which is no growth. And Musk is a con man, all of his animated films, NASA bankrupt.

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

Rogozin is a holy man, there is simply a negative growth of launches, which is no growth.

Lies.

2018 - 19 successful launches
2019 - 25 successful launches

There is growth and by no means negative

[post]

Musk announced his readiness to launch 10 thousand rockets on Mars
https://vz.ru/news/2020/5/18/1039955.html
Perform or balabol?

[CT-55_11-9009]

Ten thousand? .. Even just into orbit - no. Moreover - to Mars. Stupidly life is not enough for production.

[ximkim]

Write your thoughts, not worries about ranking.

[aviator6768]

"minusers" on grands (ie on "piecework") Do you care What is their opinion? For me, it is better to let an intelligent person just read and THINK with any result ...

[Keyser soze]

The fact that Rogozin is systematically lying?

[ultra]

And what about Bulgaria with space?

[aszzz888]

ultra (Michael) Yesterday, 21:04 PM NEW
+2
And what about Bulgaria with space? wassat

So far, only the wagons are foil sheathed.

[Oleg Zorin]

They (minusers) are very upset. And you can’t reach the fat nonsense, but you are right there.

[Svarog]

Quote: Lannan Shi

And what exactly are you unhappy about, gentlemen minusers? The fact that Rogozin is systematically lying? Or that you forget that he lied a year ago? So what do I have to do with it?

They are unhappy with the truth, which they cannot parry. There is more and more unpleasant truth, but there is nothing to answer, that’s the minuses.

[post]

Why is the mask lying? Can he?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lannan Shi

There were no viruses, however ...

Vipus in the head of Rogozin.

[slipped]

Quote: Lannan Shi

There were no viruses, however ...

That number also included ICBM launches. The production and support of their launches is also engaged in Roscosmos.

In total, 25 space rockets were launched - all successfully.

[post]

Billionaire Ilon Musk hopes that the first launch of the Starship super-heavy spacecraft built for Mars flight will take place “in 2-3 months”. The founder of SpaceX announced this on his Twitter page.
December 28 2019
https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/forbes.ru/newsroom/milliardery/390421-mask-poobeshchal-skoro-zapustit-postroennyy-dlya-poleta-na-mars-korabl

[Vitalii21]

What did you do to make at least 1 launch?

[knn54]

About "Rokot" not a word.
It is a pity that we will not find out the opinion on this report of the curator for the development of rocket technology L.P. Beria.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and what rumble? control system at the stage of prototype construction. they’ll finish, and they will begin to equip the shot with ur100 with a breeze and new electronics

[slipped]

Quote: knn54

About "Rokot" not a word.

"Rokot" was launched from Plesetsk. At the moment, a contract has been signed for the production of Rokot-M and RB "Briz-KM-2".

[rocket757]

Plans, plans .... so it’s understandable, normal, let's see how it goes, and then there will be GOP and champagne to whom health allows.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

. so it’s clear, normal, let's see how it goes

Last year, Roscosmos carried out 22 launches, not counting the Kuru ... More than the United States (21). Not launched anymore? Perhaps this year there will be more launches, especially from Vostochny ... And it will be as it will ... equipment is not a commercial athletics tournament ... Roscosmos does not launch automobiles ...

[carstorm 11]

There are three more Kuru.

[rocket757]

Therefore, first plans, then launches, and then GOP and champagne. This is a normal sequence.

[Brancodd]

Statistics for 2019
In 2019, EKA completed 9 starts, including 1 emergency.
Roscosmos -25 (all trouble-free).
The United States has 21.
China - 34 (2 emergency).
Such is the efficiency in comparison.
The period without emergency launches of Roscosmos is 1 year and 8 months. In total - 35. This is a record for the entire post-Soviet period.

[Liam]

Quote: Brancodd

The United States has 21.

The US has 27 as BE. All trouble-free
https://thealphacentauri.net/kosmicheskie-zapuski-ssha-2019-goda/

[slipped]

Quote: Liam

All trouble-free

Then this year the accident was already. The private company Virgin Orbit has lost its satellite.

[Ghost of reagan]

Meanwhile, in the USA they finish: SLS-Orion, New Glenn, Vulkan, Starliner, Omega A. And this despite the fact that the USA already has: Falcon Heavy, Falcon 9, Delta 4 Heavy, Delta4, Atlas family. Well, the next 20-40 years, I don’t see anyone at all able to compete with the United States in Space. Unless the Chinese, if they VERY hard try ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

ceasing, glory to the holy mask

[malyvalv]

While workers and engineers in this industry in the United States receive $ 100-200 thousand a year, there is nothing to fear from competitors. You just have to wait until the NASA budget is running low.

[Grazdanin]

Will it get poorer?)) Well, well

[smart ass]

Count how many Rogozin with sidekicks gets and how many Roskosmos engineers ?!

[Vadim237]

You definitely will not wait for this

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

Meanwhile, in the USA they finish: SLS-Orion, New Glenn, Vulkan, Starliner, Omega A. And this despite the fact that the USA already has: Falcon Heavy, Falcon 9, Delta 4 Heavy, Delta4, Atlas family. Well, the next 20-40 years, I don’t see anyone at all able to compete with the United States in Space. Unless the Chinese, if they VERY hard try ...

The Chinese are definitely not in a hurry, space is an expensive pleasure, and even if there are delivery vehicles, ships ... then everything depends on money. The United States, according to the plans of the previous administration, should have already landed astronauts on Mars and built Martian bases, or prepared to stick a flag on the Asteroid, and what is the result? New people come to the government, and plans either cancel or set new ones, like returning a person to the moon. How many times will a man’s landing on the moon be carried? 2-5-8 years old? And then even if the United States breaks ahead, industrial production on the Moon will not start quickly :) therefore, there will be time for everything, I won’t be surprised if the United States as usual transfers its plans for the next decades and there the Chinese will overtake and overtake them. Yes, and about our Roskosmos, time will tell too ... while I see no reasons for optimism, but the situation can still be rectified and taxied, there is time.

[Genry]

Quote: Aleksandr21

if the US breaks ahead, then industrial production on the moon will not start quickly :)

And what will they get there? Helium-3 is a fairy tale ... A man cannot work there, he will fly only in swoops.
They have military plans there.

[Vadim237]

Rare-earth metals - the sources of which are iron meteorites and their fragments on the surface of the moon.

[eklmn]

“... And then even if the United States breaks ahead, then industrial production on the Moon will not start quickly :) therefore, everything will have its time, I won’t be surprised if the United States as usual transfers its plans for the next decades ...”
And already transferred, only for days and weeks ....
A few days ago, info from NASA:
“The head of NASA's science department confirmed on June 10 that the James Webb space telescope would miss the launch date in March 2021, which was almost inevitable because the coronavirus pandemic slowed down the assembly of the spacecraft.”
https://spacenews.com/nasa-confirms-jwst-will-miss-march-2021-launch-date/
Well, nothing - they waited so much, let's wait a little longer.
More NASA.
If you remember (or don’t know) what NASA is planning in July 2020 (next month !!!) launch Atlas-5 with another rover to Mars. Launch is delayed for 3 days.
“NASA Deputy Administrator Steve Yurchik announced a delay in a presentation at a joint meeting of the National Academy of Aeronautics and Space Research Council and the Space Research Council (SSB) on June 9th. “We had a small glitch with the ULA and the info processing booster, so we have a three-day delay.”
https://spacenews.com/mars-2020-launch-slips-three-days/

Also NASA (this is about the fact that “you won’t start industrial production on the Moon”)
“Astrobotic (a private company) wins a NASA contract to supply the lunar all-terrain vehicle VIPER.”
https://spacenews.com/astrobotic-wins-nasa-contract-to-deliver-viper-lunar-rover/
“NASA has chosen Astrobotic to deliver the rover to the surface of the moon at the end of 2023 to search for water ice that can support future human missions.
NASA announced on June 11 that it signed a $ 199,5 million contract with Astrobotic, a Pittsburgh-based company for the Volatiles Investigating Polar Exploration Rover (VIPER) mission. The assignment is part of the Commercial Moon Payload Services (CLPS) program, where NASA buys services companies to deliver payloads to the lunar surface, and the rover itself doesn't buy. ”

Three pluses at once - to pay (partially) to private traders for development and not to own a rover, but to rent. And the private trader will do much faster than the state. You are prompted correctly - to disband Roscosmos and give everything to private owners - the state will save a bunch of money.

[Sergey39]

Quote: eklmn

You are prompted correctly - to disband Roscosmos and give everything to private owners - the state will save a bunch of money.

Will private traders earn money, but the state does not need income? And what kind of private traders are they if they are sponsored by the state? Under the conditions of an oligarchy, the differences in the concepts of "state" and "private" are erased to zero. And yes, private traders will happily begin to carry out unprofitable government tasks.

[eklmn]

“Private traders will earn, but the state does not need income?”
The state needs taxes and only taxes! Taxes from enterprises and taxes from employees. That is to create conditions for enterprises to open and work, and as many people as possible to have work - the main concern of the state.
In the United States, the state invests in private owners, but also controls (payment as the schedule expires).
In addition, there is no need to maintain a staff of bureaucrats and have a headache with employees / logistics / workshops / factories. Or what to do with all this when there are no orders? And so everything is simple - grandmother paid, used as much as necessary and forgot!

[Sergey39]

Yes, yes, I heard that already. In the 90s. The market itself will distribute everything. Until now, the consequences of this self-regulation have to be resolved
Do you also propose launching military satellites?

[eklmn]

“Yes, yes, I heard that already. In the 90s. The market itself will distribute everything. Until now, the consequences of this self-regulation have to be resolved. ”
The lack of experience and people for the transitional period is not the state’s fault, but its misfortune - where does experience come from and where do people with experience come from? After 70 years of the dictatorship of the CPSU?
Have you noticed that after the 90s 30 years have passed (or 25)? And what - there was nobody to fix? For 25-30 years? In this case, blame the people (and yourself) for having such managers !!

[Grazdanin]

Military satellites are already being launched by private traders.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

The Chinese, if they are VERY hard work

The Chinese last year launched 34 ... quietly, without a pump ... Amer to them run and run ...

[eklmn]

“Amer before them run and run ...”
depending on how you run!
On June 13 (2 days ago), SpaceX launched 58 StarLink satellites and for the first time used the “ride share” option for Planet - launched its 3 SkySat satellites. Planet company saved a lot on startup, and given that the contract was signed 6 months ago, then on time.
This was the third flight of the first stage (last time in March of this year, most recently!). By the way - I returned safely this time.
Next flight SpaceX June 24 (3rd in June) and again the option to "share the trip" with the company BlackSky. And then two launches every month.
So they run slowly, but confidently ...

[rocket757]

The sequence is the same for everyone!
However, whoever wants to.

[Grazdanin]

And these are only rocket launchers ...

[Brancodd]

Masked Word:
"SLS -" creating SLS - "100% tragedy" for the industry "
“Russia has excellent rocket technology and the best engine available. The reusable version of their new Angara rocket would be excellent. ”
“Apart from ours, then Zenit is perhaps the next best.”

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the launch of the Irtysh.

[MMX]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

Meanwhile, in the USA they finish: SLS-Orion, New Glenn, Vulkan, Starliner, Omega A. And this despite the fact that the USA already has: Falcon Heavy, Falcon 9, Delta 4 Heavy, Delta4, Atlas family. Well, the next 20-40 years, I don’t see anyone at all able to compete with the United States in Space. Unless the Chinese, if they VERY hard try ...

Those who are now. RF and China.
The space race does not stop for a minute. What was announced on the racks are also plans. However, it is customary to giggle at the plans of Roscosmos, while the United States has the same plans, but they are, how to say, "correct" plans. This is different (s)

[Soko]

The fact that the "Virus" project would move many plans was immediately clear. Launches, ship bookmarks, etc.

[smart ass]

Duck that's who the virus is to blame !!!

[Knell wardenheart]

Here we have developed the "Angara" and as before "Protons", "Unions" ... we will not wait for the return steps and the heavy weight until the mid-30s with this tendency ..

[g1v2]

The hangar still needs 4-5 launches to be finalized. MO has already signed a contract for 4 launches. There is a starting table in Plesetsk for the Angara. For civilian use, the launch pad on Vostochny is just under construction. PM civil hangars launches will be from 24 years. This does not apply to heavyweight. The heavyweight will be based on Union 5, which does not even exist in iron. The starting table for him is being created at Baikonur. It will begin to be built in Vostochny after the completion of the construction of a table for the Angara - that is, from 25 years. In general, the heavyweight will really fly in the early 30s.
As for the returned steps - this is more hype. They are stupidly disadvantageous for Roscosmos. Work on them will go only on a methane rocket.
In general, what Rogozin says to the media for hype and what he says in serious interviews is usually different. For example, he recently gave Solovyov a completely competent interview without any grandiose promises, but with interesting things.

[Knell wardenheart]

Just against the background of how cheerfully innovations are being introduced in the West, it is sad to watch the endless conversations of the HORN ..

[Grazdanin]

The Angara project was launched in 1995, it is already outdated.

[Brancodd]

I agree, the interview was interesting. There was one curious moment regarding the nuclear tugboat. It turns out that the contract with the Keldysh Institute is not broken. As with methane engines in Voronezh

[Vadim237]

After 2024, Protons will no longer be released.

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Quote: g1v2

The hangar still needs 4-5 launches to be finalized.

For the A5, five more launches as part of flight design tests.

Quote: g1v2

PM civil hangars launches will be from 24 years.

since the year 2023.

Quote: g1v2

The heavyweight will be based on Union 5, which does not even exist in iron.

The first stage of Soyuz-5 will be used in the construction. Iron is being tested.

Quote: g1v2

The starting table for him is being created at Baikonur.

Reconstruction of the 45th site by Kazakhstan is planned. According to statements by the Kazakh authorities, work will begin no earlier than the end of this year.

Quote: g1v2

In the East, they will start building it after the completion of the construction of a table for the Angara - that is, from 25 years.

As part of the third stage of construction, two starts are planned - for the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle and the STK launch vehicle; the construction of the SC will begin after the completion of the second phase - the Amur launch complex in 2022.

Quote: g1v2

In general, heavyweight really fly in the early 30s.

According to the plan, the first launch of the STK is the 2027th year.

Quote: g1v2

As for the returned steps - this is more hype. They are stupidly disadvantageous for Roscosmos. Work on them will go only on a methane rocket.

Work on the winged return modules is underway on the "Wing-SV" theme.

Quote: g1v2

In general, what Rogozin says to the media for hype

For instance? I've never heard him say something "for the hype."

[g1v2]

I wrote 4-5.
Do not have time with 23. My IMHO of course, but the 24th is much more likely. The 23rd is initially unlikely.
Union 5 is still not in the gland, and especially heavyweight.
As for the 45 table, that's right.
On two tables for Union 5 and CCK, it seems that nothing was approved, although this infa skipped, but has not yet been confirmed. Initially, they were going to build one table. In the 22nd year I do not believe. The table for the Angara will finish and prepare for the 23rd year, then preparation for the first launches and debugging. I doubt that before the 25th year they will start a table for union 5 to build or stk.
Again, my IMHO .27th year - an unrealistic period initially. I believe in the 30th.
As far as I know, they go neither wobbly nor roll. There is no methane rocket yet. Secondly, we do not have such volumes of launch vehicle launches to reduce the workload of enterprises using the return stages en masse. There will be a serious increase in the number of launches (for example, in the "sphere"), the use of return stages will be justified. So far, we already have a load of many enterprises - 40 percent.
He constantly hyps before the media - from trampoline to flights to the moon. And he announces initially the terms constantly, which will not be met. As a result, they naturally are not fulfilled, and Rogozin looks like a balabol. AT THIS DISAPPEARANCE OF THE INITIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TIME, LOOKS IN MASS CONSCIOUSNESS AS THE ROSKOSMOS Failed. In general, the interview with Solovyov, in my opinion, was seriously different for the better from various statements by Rogozin in other media.
By the way, shortly before that, I voiced in one dispute that Russia needs, instead of the useless ISS, its own new station, which will have its own tugs and drones. And also serve to repair, diagnose, refuel satellites and tow them to other orbits. And in this interview, Rogozin announced that such work is underway. I hope these are not just words.
IF YOU WORK IN ROSKOSMOS AND Possess all the full information, then indicate this and I will consider you a source of information, if not, it means your IMHO is against mine.

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Quote: g1v2

I wrote 4-5.
Do not have time with 23. My IMHO of course, but the 24th is much more likely. The 23rd is initially unlikely.

Works are ahead of schedule. According to the schedule, the launch in 2023.

Quote: g1v2

Second, we do not have such volumes of launches of carrier rockets to reduce the workload of enterprises by using massively recovered stages. There will be a serious increase in the number of launches (for example, in the "sphere"), the use of return stages will be justified. So far, we already have a load of many enterprises - 40 percent.

The return stage, for today, is planned only for a promising ultralight carrier.

Quote: g1v2

He constantly hyps before the media - from trampoline to flights to the moon. And he announces initially the terms constantly, which will not be met. As a result, they naturally are not fulfilled, and Rogozin looks like a balabol.

Rogozin only voices current plans. If they break down, then this happens not because of Rogozin, but because of the enterprises that allowed them, which previously provided false information on the situation. Let me give you an example of delaying missile launches for technical reasons this year - missile problems were detected at spaceports immediately before launch, and accordingly launches were delayed. Is Rogozin to blame? No, the leadership of the enterprises that delivered the missiles with known marriage is to blame - which they themselves have to fix at their own expense in the end. I think organizational conclusions also followed. In general, it was Rogozin who introduced quality control, which reveals all these jambs.

Quote: g1v2

And in this interview, Rogozin announced that such work is underway. I hope these are not just words.

The project of the national station was worked out much earlier than you think.

[g1v2]

We will see. So far, only the base of the table for the Angara has been sent to Vostochny. If they can get ahead of the schedule, I will only be glad. But I can’t remember the precedents of leading the final schedule at Roscosmos for serious projects.
What I said that the return stage for us is not yet much in demand due to the small workload. This is more a refinement of the concept of return stages.
Delaying starts when problems are detected before starting is one thing. But the initial deadlines for serious projects, which were voiced initially unrealistic, are different. And the announcement of such terms immediately implies their failure and a reason for opponents to shout about failure. By the way, not only Rogozin is guilty of this. The same Borisov also often voices initially unrealistic dates. And in general, the Ministry of Defense does this quite often. From delirium about 2300 armatures by 2020, to udk by 24. Initially, it is clear that this will not happen, but such things are said anyway. And it turns out to be a serious anti-publicity that undermines the success of projects. That is, a hundred reinforcing bars built by the year 22 will not be a success and the beginning of long-term operation, but a failure, as the average man remembers about "the promised 2300 reinforcement bars by the year 20". You can't do that. This is anti-PR.
Quality control existed before - it was just dolzbaysky, as in many enterprises. And it was very different at different enterprises. I don’t remember any special problems with quality at the Unions 2, and after all they are launched much more than Proton. In fact, this means a decent level of control in the Samara Progress and disgusting among the Khrunichevites in Moscow. Of course I hope that the tails have been twisted, which seems to be indicated by the absence of accidents last year, but we will draw conclusions after at least a couple of trouble-free years.
I'm not just interested in the national station project itself. Namely, the "technical station" project. That is, the station that controls the satellite constellation, diagnoses it, carries out repairs, eliminates the problems associated with the failure to enter the calculated orbits, refueling and placing minisatellites in orbit directly from the station by towing or shooting without launching separate launch vehicles for them from the Earth. Such a station will not only be a huge breakthrough, but also the first step in a long journey. Sooner or later, decades later, this should lead to the assembly of satellites, drones and ships right in orbiting factories and shipyards. That is, to a categorical decrease in the number of resources spent on the withdrawal of satellites and other objects out of the atmosphere and to a reduction in losses when objects are placed in their calculated orbits. In orbit it is necessary to settle down fully with the placement there in the future of production facilities and hazardous laboratories. I am interested in exactly how far the work on its "technical station" has progressed. In disputes I said that such a station was needed instead of the useless ISS, and what Rogozin said about this made me happy. I would like the project to be really implemented, and not to go on the back burner as the "Science" module or remain a project.

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Quote: g1v2

We will see. So far, only the base of the table for the Angara has been sent to Vostochny.

Not only. There is the construction of many structures. For example, this is under the launch pad:

Or command post:

Quote: g1v2

If they can get ahead of the schedule, I will only be glad. But I can’t remember the precedents of leading the final schedule at Roscosmos for serious projects.

Did Roskosmos build something itself before? Various contracting organizations were built, the same "Spetsstroymontazh" has already been disbanded .. This is the first time when a construction site is managed directly by Roskosmos and is ahead of the curve.

Quote: g1v2

Delaying starts when problems are detected before starting is one thing. But the initial deadlines for serious projects that are voiced initially unrealistic are different.

And what are these projects? In the two years that Rogozin heads Roscosmos:

1. The Spectrum-RG observatory was assembled and successfully launched. Has sent the first survey of the celestial sphere.
2. Successfully switched to digital Soyuz-2.1a in manned flights.
3. Ground tests of the landing Mars module "Kazachok" - the Russian part of the contribution to the international project ExoMars. The delay in launch this year and the transfer to the next launch window was generally the fault of ESA, they did not have time to test the parachute and software for the BKU station.
4. Final work on the MLM-U "Nauka" module is in progress before it is sent to the cosmodrome. Unfortunately with problems, but solvable.
5. Began production of Soyuz-5. Valves are being tested. Creation of engines. There are no particular problems here.
6. The production of "Angara" rockets in Omsk and engines for it in Perm began.
7. Construction of the second stage of the Vostochny cosmodrome has begun to start the launches of the "civilian" LV "Angara" from 2023.
8. The number of rocket launches from cosmodromes per year has increased - all launches in general have been successful.

The immediate plans he voiced for this and next years:

1. Launch of the second heavy rocket A5 from the Plesetsk cosmodrome as part of flight design tests - this fall.
2. Launches of new spacecraft of the next generation in the existing groupings (GLONASS, GONETS, GKPS), the creation of new groupings (ARCTIC) - this summer, autumn, winter.
3. The first launch of the entire commercial cluster Glavkosmos. - summer-fall of this year.
4. Launch of the first commercial "Soyuz MS".
5. Launch of MLM-U "Science".
6. Launch of the AMS "Luna-25".

Quote: g1v2

Quality control existed before ...

No. In this case, more stringent measures were introduced precisely in the MIC at spaceports. And then the military in Plesetsk managed to screw up a couple of times, but not fatally.

[g1v2]

As for satellites, I am primarily interested in Sphere. In my opinion, this is an extremely important project. mk he must ensure the workload of enterprises for years. I wonder if the project has been finally launched and if there is a ready-made deployment plan for the grouping with a launch schedule. As I understand it, all other constellations of satellites should integrate with it.
According to Glavkosmos I am skeptical. Now the main customers of launches in the West and their washing and skating will force us to refuse our services and switch to launches with the help of Americans and Europeans. The Chinese are developing their program. Hindus and Japanese too. Even the Persians try. So the competition will grow. The era of cooperation and openness in space is gradually collapsing. The era of capitalist competition begins, and here politics is not in our favor. Moreover, the era of private owners began, which will increase competition. The main load should be provided by Russian and Russian customers. Therefore, the Sphere, which should provide downloads for years, is so important. Of course, there are many countries and many want to have their own satellites, but as a rule, politics decides here as well. But if this gives us an increase in the number of orders, I will only be glad.
In my opinion, there are chances for Western contracts at sea start, since the operator is not a state operator there and the point of view of the Western liberal economy is quite acceptable for contracts, but there is nothing to fly from there without Ukrainian Zeniths. When there will still be Soyuz5 for him, for about 5-6 years, the spaceport will definitely be idle. Moreover, it is not a fact that c7 can afford to maintain such property for so long without launches.
Well, if the increase in trouble-free operation is connected precisely with quality control at spaceports, then the decision is right. I meant control in production. In general, I would like for accident-free launches to become commonplace, and not a pleasant surprise.
In Science, I’m not very interested, because I generally treat the ISS as something not very necessary. I don’t think that putting this module into orbit will allow us to carry out some breakthrough research. But in any case, I will be glad that the saga with this module is finally over.
On the Moon25 - interesting, but no more. Although, of course, information on the moon will be in demand. But again, the question is - do we really have an understanding of what benefit we are going to get from the moon? Arriving, sticking a flag and dancing around it is certainly cool, but much cooler if we understand how to use flights to the moon for infrastructure or pr-va. In the end, sooner or later, one will have to think about organizing the technical base and exploring the moon and its environs. Perhaps there it will be possible to place repeaters or probes or a gas station or a station for tracking comets and dangerous objects. Or a transshipment point. You always need to think about how we can use it in practice. If not immediately, then in the future. For Roskosmos to develop, it must be practical and bring tangible benefits and benefits. As it is now brought by satellite constellations. Romance and show-offs are excellent, but the benefits and practicality are more reliable.

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With regard to satellites, I am primarily interested in "Sphere".

This year, the start of work on this topic is planned. The main company appointed ISS them. Reshetneva, then they will connect new capacities that are being built in Shchelkovo.

Quote: g1v2

As I understand it, all other satellite constellations must integrate with it.

Most + new.

Quote: g1v2

According to Glavkosmos I am skeptical. Now the main customers of launches in the West and their washing and skating will force us to refuse our services and switch to launches with the help of Americans and Europeans.

In reality, however, Glavkosmos is successfully working on both satellite and manned programs. New contracts are being signed and they have launches this and next year. In addition, the reconstruction of the "Gagarin launch" is to be done just for cooperation with the Arab space agency. And we help the Indians to make their ship.

Quote: g1v2

Moreover, it is not a fact that c7 can afford to maintain such property for so long without launches.

This is not to Roscosmos.

Quote: g1v2

In general, I would like for accident-free launches to become commonplace, and not a pleasant surprise.

It is important not only to trouble-free output, but also to ensure that the devices work accident-free their service life, and even more. And you need a lot of serial devices.

Quote: g1v2

In Science, I’m not very interested, because I generally treat the ISS as something not very necessary. I don’t think that putting this module into orbit will allow us to carry out some breakthrough research.

It just says that you do not know anything about the composition of the target equipment for this module and nothing more. I hope the list will be published after launch.

Quote: g1v2

On the Moon25 - interesting, but no more. Although, of course, information on the moon will be in demand.

We work on the moon and now and yes information is in demand. In general, the USSR collected it so much in due time that it would be necessary to move to a new technical level in order to get something really new.

Quote: g1v2

But again, the question is - do we really have an understanding of what benefit we are going to get from the moon? Fly in, stick a flag and dance around it, of course it's cool

So far, the Americans are planning to do this in the Artemis program.

Quote: g1v2

but much cooler if we understand how to use flights to the moon for infrastructure or pr-va.

We have plans to create an automatic lunar testing ground for testing technologies.

Quote: g1v2

For Roskosmos to develop, it must be practical and bring tangible benefits and benefits. As it is now brought by satellite constellations. Romance and show-offs are excellent, but the benefits and practicality are more reliable.

Roscosmos is now quite pragmatic and conservative. But not everyone understands this, give them records for popcorn on the couch ....

[g1v2]

That is, a decision has been made and funding has been started? Is a plan being developed?
We will see. If Middle Eastern and Asian contracts go to school, then I’m all for it. In principle, we have two buyers of our weapons - Egypt and Algeria, which can be seriously interested in cooperation in space. Jordan and the UAE have money and a very good relationship with us to think about contracts. You can try with the Turks. But in my opinion this is still a one-time contract, but we'll see.
List of equipment. I heard about a controlled robot and manipulators. This is certainly not bad for working out future opportunities, but it seems that it does not promise a special breakthrough. Intrigued. We will see.
A lunar test site is not bad. But is there any specifics, what technologies are going to work out there, or just a desire?
Well, the right way to PR is to work. They’re talking about oneweb or starlink from each iron, but we don’t advertise Sphere or Messenger at all. The average person knows in fact only Glonass. It is not right. It is necessary to constantly talk about how cool, fashionable and what prospects it promises. But without promising impossible deadlines and achievements, and relying on the fact that this is all created for universal use, like GLONASS. The state and state corporations have enormous media opportunities - it’s like they advertise films when they exit, because it’s quite possible to work on the PR of our space. With Vostochny, it basically happened, although the effect of the scandals blurred the perception of the average man. And in general, few people understood that we now have our own civilian spaceport from which no one will drive us out. About this achievement and its importance, too few people know - scandals discuss more. In general, as far as I know, Rogozin recently invited bloggers and writers on the cosmic topic to discuss the topic of public relations, but their coverage is those who are interested in space. And you need to tell the ordinary layman. And to emphasize that the Messenger, GLONASS, Express, etc. are already in operation and are used, which means the Sphere will also be created and in demand. Again, when the National Space Center is built, its commissioning should become a powerful PR event. So that every inhabitant gets the impression that something cool and fashionable has happened.
And about the desire for records, so it's not bad. Worse when the cosmos in general is not interested in youth. An element of romance and competition is needed, but it should still be based on pragmatism and profit.

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Quote: g1v2

That is, a decision has been made and funding has been started? Is a plan being developed?

The plan has long been developed, for example, a new workshop expanding production at ISS is soon planned:



Import substitution of equipment in action:

Quote: g1v2

But in my opinion it’s still one-time contracts,

Work on the "Gagarin launch" is not a "one-time contract" - it is constant launches of spacecraft. Near the space center. Mohammed bin Rashid lacks its own launching capacity, and ambitions are present.

Quote: g1v2

List of equipment. I heard about a controlled robot and manipulators. This is certainly not bad for working out future opportunities, but it seems that it does not promise a special breakthrough. Intrigued. We will see.

It is not clear what you mean by equipment list. There is a universal landing platform as a delivery vehicle, and any equipment can be installed on it. It can be both a scientific station and a reactor. The lunar rover chassis is also available. The controlled robot in the "Test" version already flew to the ISS last year. Technologically, we have all the elements of the landfill and are understandable, it's up to the financing of the program.

Quote: g1v2

But is there any specifics? What technologies were going to work out there or just a desire?

Roscosmos is a production and delivery. We have been planning the IKI RAS. The question is what do scientists want. And they have a lot of things in their desires. They will tell you. Of the interesting, previously announced plans they have - the search for water ice and the delivery of earth to the earth from the moon in cryogenic freezing.

Quote: g1v2

Well, the right way to PR is to work. They’re talking about oneweb or starlink from each iron, but we don’t advertise Sphere or Messenger at all.

Well, in prime time, Malakhov definitely doesn’t. But at various public exhibitions and salons, where potential customers are necessarily present, they have presentations:



In addition, in May, they began work on a draft design of the next generation "Messenger" system, just under the "Sphere".

Quote: g1v2

Again, when the National Space Center is built, its commissioning should become a powerful PR event. So that every inhabitant gets the impression that something cool and fashionable has happened.

What are you! This drank the dough and should be given to pregnant pensioners !!!

Quote: g1v2

And about the desire for records, so it's not bad. Worse when the cosmos in general is not interested in youth. An element of romance and competition is needed, but it should still be based on pragmatism and profit.

You live in some other reality. Even our schoolchildren have been launching scientific satellites into space for a long time, assembled with their own hands. The next satellite they assembled, SiriusSat-3, is already flying on Soyuz-2 this fall. In addition, there is and is developing a thematic school competition "Duty on the planet":



Go to the site. read the news of this program http://spacecontest.ru/

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Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Here we have developed "Angara" and still "Protons", "Soyuz"

The idea of ​​the Angara was to make it cheaper due to unification. Cheaper did not work, even vice versa. Then why wait for the cancellation of the Protons (by the way, they all seem to have been ruined: it’s painful for Khrunichev to have a trump card in Moscow, it’s a sin to use space when you can sell it for construction, and let someone do rockets in Omsk. and engineers from Moscow to Omsk, of course, will not go, but someone lives in Omsk, so let them quit and do everything) and the Unions?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

we should not wait for the returning stages and heavyweight until the mid-30s with such a tendency ..

What tasks do you need heavyweight for? If heavyweight were needed, then it could be made from Proton (there were projects). And do not wait quickly for the return stage, yes: you need to develop a poor engine for it, and then teach a bunch of such engines to work together normally. Because no matter how you throttle an existing engine, when it is turned on, it will throw an empty step back into the stratosphere (well, or it won’t work at all).

[Knell wardenheart]

For example, a heavyweight will be needed for a nuclear tug with a megawatt reactor - after all, we are not developing it on the shelf. Our lunar initiatives would have needed a heavyweight, I hear Federation is coming out harder than planned. It seems to me that they will not do anything from the Proton - firstly, ecologists will devour, and secondly, the Proton itself, if my memory serves me, has already ceased to be produced, and it is commercially unprofitable to launch the modernization of the remaining rockets.

I am not particularly enthusiastic about either "Baikal" or the return steps - I just note that under the conditions of our system we would "give birth" to these steps for 15 years, having washed so much that for the next 20 years launches with them would be commercially unprofitable.

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Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Here we have developed "Angara" and still "Protons", "Soyuz"

The idea of ​​the Angara was to make it cheaper due to unification. Cheaper did not work, even vice versa.

Due to the mass production of automated workplace. The prototype A5.1L had only one launch. Four production A5s were ordered ~ $ 64 million in equivalent per rocket.

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Then why expect the cancellation of Protons

The Department of Defense has already stopped ordering these missiles.

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it’s painful for Khrunichev to have a trump card in Moscow, it’s a sin to use it in space when you can sell it for development

It is planned to produce A5B hydrogen stage and booster blocks at the capacities of TsiH. A National Space Center is being built nearby.

Quote: bk0010

and let someone make rockets in Omsk.

Already do.

Recently, they began to create the first A5 to be launched from Vostochny.

Quote: bk0010

What tasks do you need heavyweight for? If heavyweight were needed, then it could be made from Proton (there were projects).

For the lunar program. There is a ban on the launch of the Proton-M LV from the territory of Kazakhstan since 2025.

Quote: bk0010

And do not wait quickly for the return stage, yes: you need to develop a poor engine for it, and then teach a bunch of such engines to work together normally.

The first demonstrator according to the FPI will be tested in 2023.

[Interlocutor]

we should not wait for the returning stages and heavyweight until the mid-30s with such a tendency ..

It is not profitable to return the steps to us. In China, Mongolia to catch them, or Siberian forests and the Sea of ​​Japan?

[Knell wardenheart]

It is not I who wish to return the steps) this is the top of Roscosmos considering this option in different versions. As for me, it is better to invest in the development of a "space gun" at all, because there are already developments in good orbital tugs, and it will be the cheapest way to take out routine cargo. People and spacecraft missiles, loads like that.

[smart ass]

Amerikosy put the steps on the platform, and our cosmonauts after descent for a week on helicopters are looking for all of Siberia)))

[Interlocutor]

and our cosmonauts after descent for a week on helicopters are looking for all of Siberia)))

Well, why a week. Take two ... And preferably two and a half.

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Amerikosy put the steps on the platform, and our cosmonauts after descent for a week on helicopters are looking for all of Siberia)))

Cosmonauts land in Kazakhstan near the city of Jazkazgan. The search for astronauts is carried out by a special rescue service and it takes several minutes.

[donavi49]

In the sense of where to catch ???

Mark the optimal point (or two, depending on the load) - put the landing sites there and sit there.

The Americans land in the sea, because there’s simply nowhere else to go — they launch towards the ocean. And if the load is small, then return to the ground landing pad.

Immediately thanks to geography, Russia no longer needs a more accurate positioning. There is an opportunity to increase the landing field - in case of emergency / failure on which the Falcon is emergencyly diverted to the side and beats against the sea. No need to do a platform, maritime logistics and all that. It is enough to mark the site on the ground, concrete, cover, put the crane-grabber and all.

[Wedmak]

It is enough to mark the site on the ground, concrete, cover, put the crane-grabber and all.

Where to do it? When starting from Baikonur, the first-fall areas are Kazakhstan without options. To the border of the Russian Federation still fly from 400 km or more. The head fairing is Kazakhstan, the border with Russia, China, depending on which trajectory. The second step is Mongolia, but also depends on the trajectory. Above our territory, you can land the first step only with an inclination of the orbit of more than 50 degrees and it is not a fact that it will fly. If less than 50 degrees, is it Kazakhstan or Mongolia, and they will give the go-ahead for the construction of landing sites? What about China? Does he need it?
From the East, everything falls on our territory and into the sea, but there is still impassable taiga. As an option, do steps with wings and put them on airdromes in the Vladivostok or Sakhalin area. Only this still needs to be worked out.

[donavi49]

Kazakhstan is easy in theory - they have sparsely populated areas there. But for the money. Mongolia is politics, in theory there are no problems, again in Gobi you can even plant a heptyl-smokehouse and ecologists will not come running especially there.

You can wrap up in Russia, but you will need maneuvering and more fuel to return. Or from Plesetsk.

[Vadim237]

In my opinion, it is better to do a single-stage aerospace plane - so that it takes off from the airfield, displays the payload, takes spent satellites from orbit and returns them to the ground. The combined engine for such an aircraft in 2016 demonstrated.

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Quote: Vadim237

The combined engine for such an aircraft in 2016 demonstrated.

The combined, or rather three-component RD-701 engine for the aerospace aircraft of the Multipurpose Aerospace System was developed and created back in the USSR. What was demonstrated in 2016 is a model and requires serious and expensive refinement.

[Interlocutor]

Mark the optimal point (or two, depending on the load) - put the landing sites there and sit there.

As it turned out, the point is calculated based on the weather, wind directions, and certainly other scales. All that remains for us is to postpone the launches, and in general it will laugh at the world. Then no. Though lightning into a rocket, but to fly ...

[senima56]

And where are the promised launches of the Angara ?! Or D. Rogozin no time to do it - he weaves trampolines to the Americans ?!

[Brancodd]

Hangar A5 starts this fall with Plesetsk. So far, no transfers have been announced. This article does not have data on launches from Plesetsk. These are rather questions not to Roscosmos, but to the author of the article.

[G. Georgiev]

There is nothing new in Roscosmos since Soviet times. After 1989, only intentions to launch "even smaller" missiles from Soviet times. Еххх ... When I was young I admired Russian cosmonautics, but after 1989 it stopped. I expected automatic stations, such as the American ones, with high-quality landing and high-quality images from Mars and the Moon ...

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Quote: G. Georgiev

I expected automatic stations, such as American ones, with a high-quality landing and high-quality images from Mars and the Moon ...

Astrophysical Observatory "Spectrum-RG" has completed the first survey of the celestial sphere. The angular resolution of the resulting map is less than one arc minute. Previously, an all-sky map of comparable clarity was available only in the soft X-ray range (at energies below 2 keV) - it was received 30 years ago by the German observatory ROSAT. In hard X-ray, there were only maps with a much worse angular resolution - on the order of a degree of arc. We can say that the large-scale map, which shows only the main features of the relief, has been replaced by a small-scale topographic map of the Universe in hard X-rays.

Projection of the celestial sphere:

Images of half the sky, for processing and analysis of which Russian astrophysicists are responsible, are shown in two energy ranges: 0,3-0,7 keV and 0,7-2,3 keV.

On these maps, about half a million X-ray sources are registered - on the map you can observe hundreds of thousands of nuclei of active galaxies and quasars and thousands of massive clusters of galaxies, which are mostly filled with "dark matter" and hot intergalactic gas. In most cases, such objects are located billions of light years from Earth.

In the energy range of 0,3-0,7 keV (softer), one can see supernova explosions, radiation of "warm" interstellar gas with a temperature of hundreds of thousands of degrees Kelvin, as well as relatively nearby stars with corona, the power of which is much higher than that of the Sun ... Their total number exceeds 100 thousand.

it is already clear that the data from the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory will make it possible to specify the amount of atomic and molecular gas and dust in different directions in the sky.

[Old26]

Quote: Rubi0

and 21 launch pad from Baikonur to be transferred to Russia,

And for what? What will it give?

Quote: Rubi0

unlike the United States, which use the same 21 dies on the cape from the 60s and do not bear any additional costs.

And what do the Americans launch from their 21 sites? Do not enlighten us, the orphans and the wretched?

Quote: Sergey39

The article announces launches from Baikonur and Vostochny. There is also Plesetsk, the launches from which are not advertised.

You are inattentive, Sergey! Of the 7 currently launched, three were launched from Plesetsk.
It is also known what launches are planned from Plesetsk this year (if you wish, you can find it, everything is announced). These are launches of three Gonets-M satellites (numbered 17-19, respectively). It is planned to launch three new Glonass-K satellites numbered 4-6, the new Glonass-K2, Bars-M satellites # 3, Labyrinth # 1, Neutron # 1 and finally the long-suffering Pion- NKS "No. 1

Quote: knn54

About "Rokot" not a word.
It is a pity that we will not find out the opinion on this report of the curator for the development of rocket technology L.P. Beria.

Those "Rokoty" that were used by all. Now we have to wait when we upgrade the UR-100N UTTKh ICBMs removed from the BD to the Rokot-2 level. But this will not happen this, and perhaps not even next year. so there is only one thing left - "Wait"

[eklmn]

Recently an interesting article was published in English - “Rogozin’s complaints about American jokes.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-space-chief-complains-american-152328038.html
“According to the head of the Russian space agency, Americans should show more respect for the Russian space program, relying on it for nine years as the only way to send US astronauts into orbit.
“In the column of the Russian version of Forbes this week, the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin lamented that the Americans still do not take the Russian space program as seriously as their own.”
“When our partners finally managed to conduct a successful test on their spaceship, there was nothing for us but jokes and bullying,” Rogozin complained.
“Our country was the first to send man into space,” Rogozin wrote. “We remain the first to this day.”

I really like his phrase - "We remain the first to this day" !!! Those. you Americans, puff out as much as you want with your Moon / Mars / and other flights, but we, even nowhere without flying, will be the first !!!
Class !!! So, Russians, do not worry about success in space - the flight of 1961 is enough !!!

[Tonpengof]

However, hello, I’ve been reading for 10 years, I decided to write all the same.
Budget The mask is huge plus technology and powerful PR, Roscosmos has a very limited budget, plus the confusion in management until recently, so it was wrong to compare, to put it mildly.

[Brancodd]

[Quote] [/ quote]
In 2017, funding for the federal space program was cut by Medvedev 2 times.
The budget of Roscosmos is $ 3 billion.
In 2017, NASA expenditures amounted to $ 18,1 billion. Total US budget expenditures amounted to $ 47,5 billion. That is 13 times more than Russia’s expenses.
EKA European Space Agency has a budget of $ 11.6 billion, 4 times the budget of Roscosmos.
Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics K. E. Tsiolkovsky, chief analyst of the Digital Transport and Logistics Association Andrei Ionin.
- Of course, Roscosmos did not avoid the problems that were in the 90s and even in the early 2000s. All this, in my opinion, is behind. Aircraft and shipbuilding came out of those tests, in my opinion, worse than Roscosmos. In the aircraft industry, we only crawl out of them and it is not yet known whether we will crawl out. Roscosmos managed to save most enterprises
Roscosmos was formed in 2015 from the federal space agency. Prior to this, the space industry was a set of semi-feudal disparate enterprises and institutions. The task of Roscosmos was to consolidate the industry. Revision of all resources and their mobilization for the implementation of the state space program. Which includes civil and military sections

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: Brancodd

Statistics for 2019
In 2019, EKA completed 9 starts, including 1 emergency.
Roscosmos -25 (all trouble-free).
The United States has 21.
China - 34 (2 emergency).
Such is the efficiency in comparison.
The period without emergency launches of Roscosmos is 1 year and 8 months. In total - 35. This is a record for the entire post-Soviet period.

USA - 27 launches.
Do not mislead readers.

[Brancodd]

And counting?

[Engineer Schukin]

Rocket Lab is an American company registered in the USA. Both de jure and de facto launches refer to the United States. Ask Peter Beck, heh. It was only on the Russian-language Wikipedia page that NZ was attracted, apparently the editing hurray-patriot really, really wanted to "win" against the United States at least with numbers)

[donavi49]

Beck, by the way, also recently launched his rocket.


The next launch of PhotonDemo. A new type of service in this segment.
But after the photon, the first launch with MARS LC-2 - the second spaceport is already in the United States. By year 22, this site will be the main launch. Customers have already redeemed slots for launches from the United States, this allows them to reduce costs additionally (do not need permits to export from the United States, do not need additional logistics).

[Old26]

[quote = Junior warrant officer] With the exception of landing people on the moon, in other space programs we were ahead of the rest: The first satellite ... the first living creature in space (the dog Laika) ... the first man in space (Gagarin) ... the first female astronaut ... first exit into outer space ... the first to reach the moon, photographed, landed, brought soil samples ... the first to reach other planets (Venus, Mars) ... the first docking in space ... the first orbital station ...
Blessed is he who believes that only in one program we "flew" - in the landing on the moon.
More or less successful were automatic flights to the moon and Venus, where most of them completed their tasks. As for Mars, it was essentially a failure for us. The first stations from which the study of Mars began were American. These are Mariner-4, Mariner-6, Mariner-7, and Mariner-9. The latter reached the vicinity of the planet in 1971.
In 1971, an attempt was made from the Mars-2 station (USSR) to make a magical landing on Mars. The lander crashed against the surface of Mars.
Further, the mission of the Mars-3 spacecraft was partially successful. He landed on the surface of Mars, but communication with him ended about 20 seconds after landing.
The flights of the Mars-4 - Mars-7 stations were successful, although the attempt to soft-land the automatic Martian station using the descent vehicle failed. The lander flew past Mars
Viking-1 stations (from July 20, 1976 to August 17, 1980) and Viking-2 (from September 3, 1976 to April 11, 1980) operated on the surface of Mars near the USA.

What other stations were involved.
• "Phobos-2" (1989. Lost communication before attempting to land the descent vehicle on Phobos
• From 1996 to 2004, the Mars Global Surveyor was operating on Mars.
• From July 4, 1997 to September 27, 1997, the Mars Pathfinder station operated on Mars. Automatic Martian station and the first rover Sojoner
• From January 4, 2004 to March 22, 2010, the Spirit rover worked on the surface of Mars
• From January 25, 2004 to June 10, 2018, the Opportunity rover worked on the surface of Mars
• From May 25, 2008 to November 2, 2008, the first automatic Martian station in the polar region “Phoenix” operated on the surface of Mars. Calculate how many successful missions we had, their duration, and how many of our defenders. as for unfinished missions, from 1960 to 2016, that is, for 56 years in the USSR (Russia attempted to send stations to Mars with a total of 12 individually and 2 jointly (1 with the USA, one with ESA). All missions failed The United States tried to do this 5 times in person, and 1 time with Russia.

You can read who made docking earlier in orbit, and who later. There, too, it is necessary to decide what and how. Both are unmanned, one unmanned and one manned or two manned. The first orbital station - yes, it was ours. They launched their "Skylab" a little earlier than the Americans, but they "surpassed" us in the duration of the expeditions.
I am not talking about studies of other planets of the solar system. Everything beyond Mars is only American and European stations. Ours are not there and close

[quote = Junior warrant officer] And today, our country continues the work of the great compatriots, the discoverers of space. To the great joy, but at the moment we have more than all cosmodromes, but unfortunately this is of little use:

- Baikonur is the first and largest cosmodrome in the world located in Kazakhstan. Used by us on a long-term rental basis. This year, 4 successful launches have been completed, and another launch is due on October 11th.
- Kapustin Yar - a missile training range has been operating since 1946 in the Astrakhan region, for missile testing. The extreme launch into space was carried out in 2007.
- Yasny - a relatively new spaceport located in the Orenburg region. The first launch was carried out in June 2006. There were 10 successful launches in total, the last one was in March 2015.
- Plesetsk - leads its history since 1957, located in the Arkhangelsk region. Last and this year, two successful launches of rocket carriers into space were carried out.
- Sea Launch - initially it was an international project to launch space rockets from a floating platform located in the Pacific Ocean. After bankruptcy in 2010, Russia acquired a controlling stake. Today, Energia Rocket and Space Corporation owns a 95% stake in the consortium. From that moment, six launches were made, of which one failed. The last launch was in May 2014.
- Free - spaceport in the Amur region. For the entire time the cosmodrome existed, from 1997 to 2006, five rocket launches were made here. Then, the country's leadership decided to close Svobodny and begin construction of a new Vostochny spaceport
- Vostochny - the newest spaceport located in the Far East in the Amur Region. From the very beginning of construction in 2012, the cosmodrome was surrounded by corruption scandals, strikes by workers due to non-payment of salaries, disruption to the construction period, increase in estimates, production defects, etc. In the sixteenth and eighteenth year, one successful launch was carried out. In 2017, after the launch, an accident occurred, 9 satellites were lost. [/ Quote]
If you look at your list, in fact, Russia now has only 3 operating spaceports, versus 6 operating among Americans.
• Kapustin Yar is no longer a spaceport. Last launch was 13 years ago
• Yasny is not a cosmodrome. This is the positional area of ​​the missile division from where the launches of the Dnepr LV satellites were carried out while they were. The Dnieper is gone - the cosmodrome is gone. Even officially this, if I may say so, "cosmodrome" is designated as "the Yasny launch base.
• Sea launch - although we bought it - it’s now at the joke. There are no carriers for it. The last launch was 6 years ago. When will be the next - no one knows
• The so-called "cosmodrome" Svobodny - several launches were carried out from it, all of them from mobile launchers of the "Start" complex. There was no spaceport infrastructure ...
• Vostochny is the newest cosmodrome located in the Far East in the Amur Region. The Svobodny cosmodrome was located on its territory.
So, in fact, now in Russia there are 3 operating spaceports: Baikonur, Plesetsk and Vostochny. Moreover, the latter is still under construction

[Tonpengof]

Quote: Clever man

Amerikosy put the steps on the platform, and our cosmonauts after descent for a week on helicopters are looking for all of Siberia)))

And the much-praised Cru Dragon is parachuting onto the water, and Vid was promised on engines.

[Lord of the Sith]

E-mayo, the word Roscosmos is worth appearing in the article, so many, but not all, begin to fight in fits, Rogozin! NASA! Elon Musk!
And abundantly let foam in seizures.

Are you tired of raving? News from the series - planned and so on.

And for many, it’s like a rag for a bull - it is urgent to immediately write about which Rogozin is a bad person, and the rest are well done.
Already disgusting.

[Narak-zempo]

By the way, this is what the striped astronauts themselves say about the Tin Mask: https://ruslanostashko.livejournal.com/480992.html

[1536]

With the launches of the Russian COP, the situation is clear. What about Dragon? When to wait for his return to Earth with astronauts on board? How long will the epoch-making American expedition in a private spaceship last? It somehow becomes alarming without relevant information on this issue. After all, if some unforeseen event occurs, then the plans of Roscosmos will certainly be adjusted. It will simply be necessary to save the American astronauts.

[Blackmokona]

For a long time this information is there before the launch of the Dragon with the crew was known. NASA plans to keep it in orbit for as long as possible, if possible until the change of pilots arrive at the next Dragon in August. But he will follow the parameters of the ship, if they get worse, they will lower them after the fact.

[Antifreeze]

Let them do it slowly. What do you want? The collapse of the Union and the destruction of technological chains drove us back twenty years ...

[eklmn]

"What do you want? The collapse of the Union and the destruction of technological chains drove us back twenty years ... ”
On the one hand, the natural pride in restoring the industry and agricultural after 1945, managed in 5 years. Now, without a war, is not able, for 25-30 years, to fix the “division of property” of the 90s?
Question - country managers are not able to? Or are managers happy with this?
You people would have figured it out - so many generations down the drain!
Or are you still looking for a good king?
And the three that you put the Pros, too, can do nothing?
Then the Pros should be 140 million - all those who can not do anything ...

[veritas]

In "Roskosmos" revealed plans for space launches

It would be better not to disclose. Huge plans.

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Quote: veritas

In "Roskosmos" revealed plans for space launches

It would be better not to disclose. Huge plans.

First, no one in Roskosmos specifically disclosed anything - the data was taken by a journalist from government procurements - they are open there. Secondly, what bothers you? 23 launches of Soyuz-2, without military launches and three launches of Proton-M. Two or three first launches from the list in July.

[Brancodd]

Quote: Antifreeze

Do not tell me: in May, the launch with One Web satellites was supposed to take place? For what reason canceled?

Bankrostvo One Web.

[Brancodd]

Quote: Interlocutor

Let us be the second, but not heard, from a single person from Roskosmos, a clearly voiced plan. Mumble something, for journalists and all. Maybe someone sees this plan, I do not see and have not heard.
To make a rocket - sorry, this is not a plan. This is an increase in volume

On the website of Roscosmos in detail ... Federal Space Program 2016-2025
https://www.roscosmos.ru/22347/
More details about the plan are said in a May interview with Rogozin
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=2647574582735840923&text=Соловьев%20Live%20Рогозин&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1590745771146921-658379904824248682800300-production-app-host-man-web-yp-108&redircnt=1590745800.1

[Trotil42]

Quote: Clever man

Now, if you wrote that the rogue mask and the rogue would catch the pluses)

Musk became a co-owner of the most expensive automobile company in the world ... Tesla .. and began the industrial production of battery-powered tractor units ..

[G. Georgiev]

In "Roskosmos" closed plans for space launches ...... Hmm .... on the phone it is displayed for me.