The dates for laying two frigates of the modernized version of the project 22350

The lead ship of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov project

The laying of two more frigates of project 22350 for an improved version will occur at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in late June - early July 2020. This was reported by the press service of the enterprise with reference to a statement by the Director General of Shipyard Igor Ponomarev.

As explained by Ponomarev, the new frigates will be laid down according to the modernized project, they will be improved taking into account the operational experience of the project’s lead frigate - Admiral Gorshkov.

They will be improved already for the tasks that the Ministry of Defense poses for us. From a technical point of view, these tasks are all solvable. The laying of two frigates is planned in late June - early July

- said in a statement.

Recall that the decision to lay two more frigates of project 22350 was made following the operation of the lead ship of the series - Admiral Gorshkov, serving in the North navy. According to available information, the number of cruise missiles on board will be increased on the ships planned for laying. Instead of 16 KR, like the first ships of the series, the new frigates will carry 24 missiles.

At present, the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov is serving in the Russian Navy; the first serial Admiral Kasatonov will be transferred to the fleet in early July this year. In May, the Admiral Golovko was launched, the completion of which is afloat, and the frigate Admiral Isakov, which will also be launched soon, is under construction. The two goals of the frigate of this project laid down in April 2019 - Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov will be launched in two years.

Initially, they wanted to limit the series of frigates of project 22350 to four ships, but later it was decided to extend this series with the possibility of building ships of a modernized version of project 22350M, according to which it is planned to introduce at least 12 frigates in the fleet that can carry 48 missiles instead of 16 for the first ships project and 24 have an improved version.

The new project provides for the construction of a ship with a displacement of 7 thousand tons, with the deployment of up to 48 cruise missiles Caliber, Onyx or Zircon on its board. Also, the frigates will be equipped with the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system with an ammunition load of up to 100 missiles, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons. Frigates should receive a single universal automated fire control system for all types of naval weapons.

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[Newven]

The Russian Navy to be ... (Peter I, 1699)

[Uncle lee]

at least 12 frigates in the fleet

This makes me happy ! It is a pity that the timing is long ....

[Orkraider]

Greetings!
And I am very pleased that they are not waiting for the mythical 22350M, but they are laying the serial version, an advanced one, but worked out at the shipyard in any case. And that means there will be already 8 frigates, and not in 2030, but much earlier. I hope by 2025 we will see the handsome men in the ranks

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Orkraider

see the handsome men in the ranks

Greetings! And what about the engines?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Greetings! And what about the engines?

So, apparently, “Saturn” coped with the engines ... since they began so boldly to lay new ones. There seems to be a diesel Kolomenskie as an economic move in the composition ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

coped "Saturn" with engines

And this is even more pleasing! A steamer without an engine is a iron afloat!

[Elturisto]

Oh well, where did the wood come from? There are no engines from Saturn and there cannot be ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: ElTuristo

There are no engines from Saturn and cannot be.

Has already. Alas for you.

[Elturisto]

Yeah, in the reports :)

[Dart2027]

Quote: ElTuristo

Yeah in

iron. I remember I have already explained this to you.

[dvina71]

Quote: ElTuristo

Yeah, in the reports :)

ON the frigate "Adm.Kasatonov" .. Hand over your Zorya for scrap ...

[bayard]

There are also Ukrainian turbines at Kasatonovo, the first domestic ones at Adm. Golovko, which has already been launched and is being completed afloat.

Quote: dvina71

Hand over your Zorya ...

No need to junk - take a trophy, come in handy.

[dvina71]

Quote: bayard

There are also Ukrainian turbines at Kasatonovo

Afterburners from Rybinsk ..

[bayard]

"Gorshkov" and "Kasatonov" were equipped with power plant even before the coup in Ukraine. True, these turbines do have components from Rybinsk.
Two other sets of power plants for the 3rd and 4th frigates of the series in Nikolaev were also made, they were paid, but the junta refused to supply them.

So the first domestic power plants have just begun to arrive at Severnaya Verf. The first of them was installed on "Adm. Golovko" last year, and this spring was launched. Now it is being completed afloat. Transfer to the Fleet in 2022
We will only know how much the power plant was able to learn only at the beginning of next year, when the frigate will enter the first sea trials.

[bayard]

Quote: dvina71

Afterburners from Rybinsk ..

These frigates have only afterburner turbines. For the economic course - Kolomna diesel engines. On a single gear.

[210ox]

Yes, and there is no bridge to the Crimea. Like there are no firewood for the flawed poopers.

[Ros 56]

We put the slaves on the oars.

[alexmach]

Greetings! And what about the engines?

There were some very strange reports about the power plant for the "Admiral Golovko" recently launched. It is rumored to have launched it with motors but no gearbox, which is still being tested.

[Alex777]

This can never be.
GEM is tested at the stand assembled with a reducer.
Reliable information as Golovko lowered I did not come across.
As a version, a partial gearbox for it was received from ZORI.
Fully Russian power plant will be on "Adm. Isakov".

[Orkraider]

Quote: Alex777

This can never be.
GEM is tested at the stand assembled with a reducer.
Reliable information as Golovko lowered I did not come across.
As a version, a partial gearbox for it was received from ZORI.
Fully Russian power plant will be on "Adm. Isakov".

Welcome.

Golovko already has our PO55.
It is true that they cannot be lowered without gears, but there is a solution, and it is rumored to be the following:
Mounting a power plant entirely afloat is really impossible, however, due to force majeure circumstances related to import substitution, the construction of the head. No. 923 a non-standard technological scheme was applied - propeller shafts were brought into it, screws were installed and lowered into the water. After testing and delivering DHTA to the shipyard, they will be mounted on an order near the outfitting embankment and the shaft lines will be centered (final alignment according to the rules should be carried out afloat).

[Alex777]

Thank you colleague!

[alexmach]

This can never be.
GEM is tested on a bench assembly with a gearbox

I also thought this when I heard "the engines are delivered for installation on the ship and the gearbox is already completing bench tests." But then information appeared about the descent of Golovko, and what would be completed afloat, including the elements of the power plant.
As an option, I can assume that the gearbox can be used with a different set of engines, for example, from the next ship’s power plant .. although I don’t have any sense in this.

As a version, a partial gearbox for it was received from ZORI.

A lot of strange information. But I believe that if the issue with the engines had not been resolved, the new ships would not have been laid, and there would already be 4 of them

[Orkraider]

. Greetings! And what about the engines?

Everything was fine with them, the stumbling block was with gearboxes and in the test bench. Now they’ve done it, which indirectly confirms the bookmarks. The number of pennants pledged suggests how many are planning to go into production.
I will quote Panov, a former (2000-2015) engineer at Zori, and since 2016, Rybinsk's UEC-Saturn:

the estimated delivery time for the M55 on ships is the summer of 2020. "And in more detail:" As for the M55, its gearboxes are being tested at Zvezda, the gas turbine engines are already ready. Gearboxes from Zvezda will go to Saturn in December, all this will be tested again and in summer 2020 DGTA will be delivered to the ship. "

[venik]

Quote from Uncle Lee

It is a pity that the timing is long ....

=====
Here I am about the SAME !!!
Well, how much can you build SERIAL frigates for 6-8 years? For ships of this class - 3-4 years - this is the maximum !!!
I understand - difficulties ... But EVERYTHING IS EQUAL - SO - NOT!!!

[Alex777]

Two goals of the frigate of this project, "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov", laid down in April 2019, will be launched in two years.

What do you dislike about the timing?
3 years before launching? Where is even faster?
Then all the questions to the subcontractors. Just not let down.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: venik

Well, how much can you build SERIAL frigates for 6-8 years?

till - twelve !

Quote: venik

SUCH a class - 3-4 years - it is MAXIMUM !!!

Volodenka, do not tear your heart ..... There are corvettes in the VI 2200 t., from five years (!) don't go out !!!
We are not happy, but we will not be able to influence ....

[FIR FIR]

The dreadnought of Great Britain, which simply turned over its naval strategy, was built in a year.
Russian battleships were built for 4-5 years. Why? I dont know. But bad thoughts about sabotage and betrayal climb into my head. This was more than 100 years ago! Since then, nothing has changed. Destroyers such as Arley Burke, with a displacement of 9,5 thousand tons, are being built in 2,5 years. and our 5 thousandth frigates stand on slipways for 6 years. Why?

[Hunter 2]

And why not immediately start bookmarking 22350M?
Are there too many projects? This will also make their maintenance difficult ...

[kjhg]

Quote: Hunter 2

And why not immediately start bookmarking 22350M?

Technical project 22350M will be ready in 2 years. Then we should expect the laying of ships for a new project.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: kjhg

Quote: Hunter 2

And why not immediately start bookmarking 22350M?

Technical project 22350M will be ready in 2 years. Then we should expect the laying of ships for a new project.

Thank you for the info .... somehow I missed this moment!

[Oleg kubanoid]

but not only the matter in the project .. right now they are building a boathouse for a new project .. and just about in a couple of years it will be ready ..

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Project 22350M - in fact, there is a full-fledged destroyer, but earlier, project 21596 was being developed - it was also called a destroyer, some time on the Internet they wrote about it ... And how did the project 21596 ultimately go to court?

[kjhg]

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

Project 22350M - in fact there is a full-fledged destroyer

A bit falls short of the American destroyers, but frigates. Arly Burke has 8500 tons, and Zamvolt has 14500 tons. But the matter is not only in the displacement, but also in the much weaker capabilities of the Super-Gorshkov air defense.

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

21596 - he was also called the destroyer, some time on the Internet they wrote about him ... But how did the project 21596 in the end not come to court?

Such a project did not exist in nature. It was just one of the Krylovtsev models. Designing the destroyer The project leader 23560 was assigned to the Northern Design Bureau. But in 2017, funding for the development of the project was suspended due to the understanding of the Moscow Region that such an ambitious and expensive project, after the sequestration of the military budget, the department simply could not pull. It was supposed to become atomic, and surpassed even the American destroyer Zamvolt in displacement (17500 tons), becoming, in fact, a replacement for the 1164 Atlant atomic cruisers and the Kirov 1144 atomic cruisers. Then it was decided on the basis of frigate 22350 to develop a modernized frigate of the ocean zone (and in fact - a small destroyer), which will be increased: autonomy, weapons, displacement. The development of design documentation for the contract should be completed in 2022. After that, in 2023 - 2025, the laying of 2 buildings should take place. The delivery of the lead is scheduled for 2027, and the first production ship - until 2030.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hunter 2

Are there too many projects? This will also make their maintenance difficult ...

Apparently, an improved project is just a re-arrangement, which allowed to win additional space.

[kepmor]

according to the reviews of naval frigates of this series, they are very good ...
all the more so because industry is seriously involved in contracts ... and it pleases ... how in Soviet times all the jambs cannot be transferred to the crew ...
so go ahead and with the songs ... seven feet under the keel ...

[Paranoid50]

Here are the goodies. According to the latest information, "Kasatonov" will be betrayed by the Day of the Navy, in front of the Main Parade, after which he will go to the company to "Gorshkov". However, for KSF this summer is very "fruitful".

[Imperial Technocrat]

Northern and so very strong. It would be better if they sent to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Imperial Technocrat

Northern and so very strong.

Given recent org. he still needs a lot of changes. Well, at least, the Borei and Yaseni adopted by the Navy will alternate: KSF - Pacific Fleet.

[Fungus]

Not bad, not bad

[Angry]

Hmm .... great news ... just not enough, NOT enough! The fact is that for the normal functioning of the fleet, there should be not so much a motley ship composition, but ship formations of the same type of ships. It is necessary to build not piecemeal, but formations, in our case it is necessary to have / build at least 4 brigades of 6 frigates of the same type for all our fleets. Since, as is known from the rule "one of three", in order for one frigate to be on the base station, one more must be in the base on the base station and one must go through the VTG or some other events. Well, everything is like people have, 8 hours of work, 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of doing something around the house. But the trouble is that they are very strong for frigates ... look at NATO frigates ... in fact, these are our destroyers .... And as such, they are clearly more expensive than frigates, due to the latest weapons, which means a "unit of money" fewer of them will be built. Naturally, the fleet will consider them not as frigates, which must deal with naval turnover, but as a shock fist of each fleet. That is, the fleet is again without frigates, but with an EM core. It's like our cruisers, are they doing a lot of ASW in the interests of the fleets? The presence of modern corvettes certainly heals the situation, but they are also not enough. In general, a fleet without a sufficient number of corvettes and frigates is not a balanced system. I think that I am not mistaken, but Project 22350M should be the same Project 22350, but not with enhanced shock armament, it is still a frigate, but with enhanced anti-aircraft armament. He would add another VPU Reduta, maybe on the helicopter deck, like the corvette of pr.20385, instead of the third UKSK and change the ZRAK "Broadsword" for Pantsir-M ", well, bring to mind the MTK" Packet-NK "by installing them in premises with fixed TA, as on frigates of other countries. Accordingly, multiplying the ammunition of anti-torpedoes, since it is a frigate designed to protect the ships of the formation or convoy ships, and not just themselves. But when there will be 4 brigades, it will be possible to "inflate" the project into several CTs and enhance the strike capabilities. That is, the laying of such "liberty frigates" will reduce the cost and accelerate the saturation of fleets with modern frigates, which is actually what the Navy needs. Moreover, during the construction of such "liberty frigates" they can be laid at once at several shipyards in different regions of the country, in order to increase the competence of shipbuilders. But ... while we are glad even about thiscrumbs ...

[Vlad Malkin]

Angry (Sergey)

Of course not enough! But given the creak with which it all began, then this is a qualitative step forward!

[Oleg kubanoid]

while the shipbuilding program was not interested in GDP, there was a lot of things off .. right now ... everything is pretty strict, although not without a damn jambs .. as far as quantity is concerned, until the GES are sorted out, it’s not worth waiting for large orders ..

[Rubi0]

You painted everything like that well, having forgotten the main thing for what purpose is it all? The fleet is needed to protect trade routes and ships, first you need to build ports and merchant ships of large displacement for yourself, and it is better to export like South Korea and make money, after building a couple of dozen Afromaks for 100 thousand tons, the industry will rivet you corvettes and frigates like pies. In this regard, I am glad that since 2018 they obligated to build ships in the Russian Federation and not to take scrap metal over the hill

[Imperial Technocrat]

22350M is a destroyer. In general, you need 8 Leader cruisers, 32 destroyers 22350M, 8-16 frigates 22350, and 32-64 corvettes
From the nuclear submarines - 12 Borey / A, 4 Borey-K, 16 855 / M, 32 Varshavyanka / Lada. Well, then the transition to Kalina and Husky

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Imperial Technocrat

22350M is a destroyer. In general, you need 8 Leader cruisers, 32 destroyers 22350M, 8-16 frigates 22350, and 32-64 corvettes
From the nuclear submarines - 12 Borey / A, 4 Borey-K, 16 855 / M, 32 Varshavyanka / Lada. Well, then the transition to Kalina and Husky

such a list - this is about the year 3150 ....
Here are the first two 22350 12 years are under construction, the third is about 10-11 ... and you ?!... Even plans to build 5 and 6 fr. 22350.1 stretched to AT LEAST 7 years (!)...... and this is already as it were serial ...?!

[Vlad Malkin]

All the holiday!

[Lavrenty1937]

The new project provides for the construction of a ship with a displacement of 7 thousand tons, with the deployment of up to 48 cruise missiles Caliber, Onyx or Zircon on its board. Also, the frigates will be equipped with the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system with an ammunition load of up to 100 missiles, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons. Frigates should receive a single universal automated fire control system for all types of naval weapons.

That is, by the number of weapons it is EM. American Burks are almost universal ships, on which, varying the composition of armaments, ships can be given the functions of a strike ship on land, on NK, on ​​submarines, and an air defense ship. Ours, etc. 22350M. will be only partially partially universal (incomplete universality). By replacing the RC in the UKKS ship, it is possible to give predominantly shock functions by land, NK, and PL. But it cannot be an air defense ship, since it is impossible to load SAM into the UKKS. Yes, and its shock functions will be limited, since it is impossible to load SLCMs, anti-ship missiles, and PLUR into the cells for SAM; For many decades, Americans have used the universal UVP Mk 41 on the Berks for the Kyrgyz Republic and SAM. We are planning for the future a ship that is not fully universal. And this can lead to the fact that the Fleet may require additional specialized ships, for example, an EM class air defense ship. It is doubtful that, for pr. 22350M, UVP will be created and installed on it. But it is necessary to strive for this - it is desirable that UVP is already on stand 22350 MM.

[alexmach]

it is desirable that on pr. 22350 MM already stood UVP

So she stands there, as many as 2 at a time. One for missiles, one for missiles. I do not know how rational it would be to use ZUR-ov cells for shock functions - Without air defense in our time, a ship cannot be released into the sea at all.

[Dart2027]

Quote: alexmach

I don’t know how rational it would be to use SAM cells for shock functions

Better on the contrary - To make friends PU Caliber with missiles.

[d4rkmesa]

This is more likely not Burke, but Oliver Perry on steroids. According to rumors, the UKSK is being finalized so that it can be installed missiles. True, how - they will make a "hot" start or isolated containers so that containers with a "cold" start can be installed - who knows. S-300/400 are rather conservative systems and it is understandable that certain reliable elements do not need to be changed for nothing.

[Escobar]

I understand that the project 22350M can already be considered a full-fledged destroyer?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, the 22350M is a full-fledged destroyer, it will be our analogue to the American destroyers such as Arly Burke.

Now while our shipbuilders will fill their hands on frigates pr.22350, and then pr22350M will go like clockwork.

[Imperial Technocrat]

_______________Yes

[Snail N9]

Oh, Caliber, Caliber, My Caliber! beautiful Caliber, My Caliber! Someone just crush on them .... some directly, unhealthy fad from someone, shove them everywhere, in an increasing amount, to the detriment of air defense and anti-aircraft defense.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Oh, Caliber, Caliber, My Caliber! beautiful Caliber, My Caliber! Someone just crush on them .... some directly, unhealthy fad from someone, shove them everywhere, in an increasing amount, to the detriment of air defense and anti-aircraft defense.

There are gauges and, as a PLR 91R2 torpedo missile, up to 16 pieces can be placed on a frigate designed to destroy enemy submarines and they are launched from PU 3S14. In addition, there are 2 TAs of 4 launchers and Package-NK complex.

I like not just Caliber, but the complex itself, which allows you to strengthen the desired direction in accordance with the task.

And with air defense at project 22350 everything is fine.

That's what Pr.22350 likes, and what it doesn’t really like, is the number of weapons, primarily cruise missiles, which is why they are working on Pr.22350M.

[bk0010]

We do not have UVP Mk 41, you cannot cram a caliber at the expense of air defense. A PLO is implemented by the same Gauges, but in the anti-submarine version (like a Bell or Snowstorm, but more modern).

[Avior]

And how many Redoubt cells are for air defense?
You can read that 96, shock 48, and two helicopters.
And all this in 7 thousand tons of displacement.

[FIR FIR]

6X8 P.U. Caliber, but whence 100 Redoubts? 12X8-P.U.? In such a modest displacement ...
In my opinion, wishful thinking is issued ....

[dvina71]

Quote: FIR FIR

but where are the 100 Redoubts

There is a short-range dawn ... for 4 in one mine. 24 X 4 = 96 ..

[V.I.P.]

Is there a towed GAS on this ship?

[Dart2027]

Quote: V.I.P.

towed gas

Vignette-M

[Imperial Technocrat]

Zadolbali already. 22350M - not a frigate, but a destroyer

[aviator6768]

Guys, explain to the stupid (in the marine theme - oak-oak), and what are we building for so long? Technology, finance, human resources, or what? It seems, well, not great, but a sea power, no?

[musorg]

Everyone is good, but I like the bow of the ship looking up!

[Jora]

Frigates must receive a single universal automated fire control system all types of ship’s weapons

Probably on the basis of "Polyment". Otherwise, the architecture of the ACS will be quite complex.

[asr55]

Quote: aviator6768

Guys, explain to the stupid (in the marine theme - oak-oak), and what are we building for so long? Technology, finance, human resources, or what? It seems, well, not great, but a sea power, no?

The construction time for the newest ships of this class is the same everywhere for at least 5 years, if not delayed for some reason. The first ship in the series, then it is 7 years, if one of the contractors does not delay and finance normally. In Europe and the United States, this is also a mess, the construction period is constantly postponed, everything breaks down and goes out of order unpredictably, and so on. But their prices differ in a mind-boggling way. For example, the 180 meter long destroyer Zamvolt costs $ 3.5 billion. And we have, for example, the destroyer Leader 230 meters long, with a displacement for the nuclear version of 12 thousand tons, 128 cruise missiles and one hundred long-range missiles polyment - redoubt should cost 100 billion rubles. The difference is obvious and we have to swim and swim before their corruption. His delivery was constantly postponed, when he handed over he immediately went to the dry dock for revisions. In operation, it constantly breaks down. The same is the case with the construction of ships in Europe, there are long-term construction projects. .And if you consider that we do not have enough funding, then you can imagine. But the construction of ships and their maintenance, repair and modernization is an extremely difficult and very expensive business. This must be understood.