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Crimean scenario for Donbass may become a reality

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Treasured million



Viktor Vodolatsky, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, made an exciting statement, promising that another 600-800 thousand people will receive Russian passports by the end of this year. To date, according to the politician, 187 thousand residents of the Donbass republics have become citizens of the Russian Federation. So, we can talk about the first million newly made Russians.

“About ninety-eight thousand applications are being processed. Over the next two weeks they will receive Russian passports, and by the end of the year, from 600 to 800 thousand residents of the republics will become their owners ”,

- said Vodolatsky.

He also expressed confidence that with the abolition of quarantine measures, the number of calls to the departments of the Migration Service of LDNR will increase, and therefore additional points for receiving documents may be opened, etc.

Recall that this number (a million Russian passports) in recent days sounds the second time. Not so long ago, it was mentioned by VGTRK military commissar Alexander Sladkov, who said that the number of Russian citizens in the Donbas should reach a million as quickly as possible so that Ukraine finally says goodbye to the region.

Cautious optimism


To cheer, of course, is too early, but there are more than enough reasons for cautious optimism: the Russian Federation has enough experience to significantly accelerate the certification of the population of LDNR. Yes, and in the republics themselves, it is worth recognizing that the process of processing the documents necessary for obtaining Russian citizenship has become much faster and easier (and after the abolition of the state duty this also happens almost for nothing). Today, it is no longer necessary to certify papers by notaries, there is an opportunity to circumvent the lack of a Ukrainian passport. But the LDNR passport is needed: today all those who were lazy or disdained to receive a republican document created a colossal line-up, coupons in the tail of which are issued already in the fall of 2021.

It is likely that when the number of Russians among the LDNR population reaches a certain mark, it will be logical to hold a referendum on reunification according to the Crimean scenario, or at least ensure the safety of Russians living in the republics of Donbass. Moscow is unlikely to allow the APU to kill its citizens with impunity, so there is reason to hope that in the foreseeable future this massacre will end. At least for residents of LDNR. And there, who knows, maybe the Kherson region, in which the North Crimean Canal begins, or the rest of Donbass will also follow the path of Lugansk and Donetsk ...

Minsk deadlock


It is absolutely obvious that this is one of the simplest and most humane ways of resolving the crisis in the Donbass, fraught with perhaps just another sanctions against Russia. Otherwise, bloodshed will continue for many more years. Kiev, the sluggish war clearly likes much more than even the idea of ​​returning LDNR, for the maintenance and restoration of which in the Ukrainian budget there is simply no money. At the same time, only the naive can believe in the ability of the people's militia, even if it is an order of magnitude more efficient than the militia, to break the back of the Ukrainian military machine. At least without the help of the so-called vacationers.

The Minsk agreements, which exist solely on paper, have long been depreciated, and Ukraine is not only not going to implement them, but is also actively lobbying for the idea of ​​revising all existing formats. So, the only way to bring peace to LDNR is to integrate them into Russia.

Little is left: so that the words of the Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Viktor Vodolatsky are true. And so that if not this year, then at least next year, the number of Russians in Lugansk and Donetsk exceeded one million. In fact, why pull with the inevitable entry of Donbass into Russia?
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  1. veritas
    veritas 11 June 2020 15: 08 New
    28
    Crimean scenario for Donbass may become a reality

    It's time.
    In fact, why pull with the inevitable entry of Donbass into Russia?

    Americans are threatening to tighten sanctions, when they introduce it, then Donbass will probably become part of Russia. If it were not for the officials' fear of personal sanctions, Donbass would have been in Russia for a long time.
    1. credo
      credo 11 June 2020 15: 14 New
      33
      I welcome cautious optimism and I approve of assistance to people who wish to reunite with Russia.
      1. georgiigennadievitch
        georgiigennadievitch 13 June 2020 12: 22 New
        +1
        In general, one gets the impression that the Kremlin has not yet fully decided on Donbass. Time is ticking, but Ukraine and the Franco-German "partners" have not fulfilled any agreements and are not going to, they blame Russia, and we interpret on the so-called "Minsk" agreements, "Norman" format, etc. This is a dead-end option. All temporary bonuses in the form of a "freeze of the process" no longer outweigh the losses from sanctions, which no one will cancel and image losses from useless and aimless trampling From the point of view of Russian realities, only two options are possible: 1) Crimean; 2) Abkhazian-South Ossetian. Crimean is possible only after a serious Ukrainian aggression in Donbass and forcing it to peace. But this is also a dangerous scenario, fraught with losses and serious aggravation of the situation in Europe and the intensification of economic and ideological aggression against us. From this point of view, the Abkhaz-South Ossetian scenario is a little more advantageous. Yes, the process is delayed in time, but there is an opportunity through a referendum to avoid losses and gives some time and delay and an opportunity to extend economic preferences for Donbass in time. But there is no turning back. Donbass will be required by Crimea, Kaliningrad, etc.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 June 2020 15: 15 New
      32
      Quote: veritas
      Crimean scenario for Donbass may become a reality

      It's time.

      This had to be done in '14, until tens of thousands of children died.
      Moreover ... citizenship, I think, should be given to EVERYONE who wants to, and not within years, but within weeks. Of course, after proper inspections of organs.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 11 June 2020 15: 33 New
        27
        Quote: NEXUS
        This had to be done in '14, until tens of thousands of children died.

        Yes, the spoon is the way to dinner. And then it would look very dignified and beautiful. But even if Donbass now becomes part of Russia and ceases to kill civilians, I personally will support it.
      2. Kleber
        Kleber 11 June 2020 15: 33 New
        24
        Quote: NEXUS
        This had to be done in '14, until tens of thousands of children died.
        Moreover ... citizenship, I think, should be given to EVERYONE who wants to, and not within years, but within weeks. Of course, after proper inspections of organs.


        And what will it give? more than 90 percent of the population of Abkhazia and South Ossetia have Russian citizenship .... but they are still not part of Russia.
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 19: 06 New
          +6
          The difference is that Russian people live in Donbass, and Abkhaz and Ossetians live in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Abkhazia has value for Russia as a foreground in front of Sochi, and also as a resort, although things are not going very well in this regard. Abkhazia fulfills its function of the pre-feast, and well, ladies. The significance of South Ossetia is the containment of Georgia. There is our contingent and enough.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 15 June 2020 13: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            The difference is that Russian people live in Donbass, and Abkhaz and Ossetians live in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Abkhazia has for Russia

            And in the Crimea, Tatars and others, and so what?
            This is not to mention Chechnya, where 99% of Chechens
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 11 June 2020 20: 51 New
          -8
          Quote: Kleber
          more than 90 percent of the population of Abkhazia and South Ossetia have Russian citizenship .... but they are still not part of Russia.

          And there is nothing for them there (here in Russia) to do ...
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent 11 June 2020 15: 45 New
        20
        Quote: NEXUS
        This had to be done in '14, until tens of thousands of children died.


        Hundreds, hundreds of children, and thousands of adults, such an account of independence,still.

        Crimean scenario for Donbass may become a reality

        Already on the basis of the number of those killed in the DPR and LPR, the process cannot be equated with the Crimean ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 11 June 2020 16: 11 New
          21

          It's time to stop the Bandera killers by force.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 11 June 2020 16: 21 New
            14
            Quote: The same LYOKHA

            It's time to stop it.


            Another, no less soulful scene. And unfortunately, we have a lot of this. Too much ...

            1. Vladimir Kiev
              Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 16: 29 New
              -27
              On the other hand, think differently?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 11 June 2020 16: 40 New
                31
                Quote: Vladimir Kiev
                On the other hand, think differently?


                I don’t even think, but I know - ELSE.

                Children, their mothers and fathers who are not at the forefront, we DNR and LC - DO NOT KILL ...

                Have you, in Kiev, long been artillery worked on the hem? And in Obolon, Troieschyna, Nyvky?

                We did not come to you to "Europeanize" ...
                1. Vladimir Kiev
                  Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 23: 33 New
                  -4
                  The graves are the same everywhere - I mean it. And the tears of the children.
                  1. AAK
                    AAK 12 June 2020 13: 53 New
                    12
                    Do not distort, Kiev, in Ukrainian cemeteries do not bury children and women who died from shelling and bombing, and as for the grief of families, the deceased dad / son / uncle went to the Donbass in order to kill, and the one who is ready to kill should be ready and to be killed ...
            2. glum
              glum 12 June 2020 11: 08 New
              +2
              Insurgent, and the photo is not from the Donbas. distribute fakes .... The mother of the child died in the suburbs, at the railway crossing, it seems, so you do not need to distribute other people's photos
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 12 June 2020 12: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Glum
                Insurgent, and the photo is not from the Donbas. distribute fakes .... The mother of the child died in the suburbs, at the railway crossing, it seems, so you do not need to distribute other people's photos

                Claims, if any, can be submitted to: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ photo from LJ Rozhin Boris Alexandrovich (Colonel Cassad)

                Or: https://news-mt.ru/blog/43207036750/Kiev-perestanet-strelyat-lish-kogda-voyna-nadoest-Zapadu
                (Article: "Kiev will stop shooting only when the West gets tired of the war")

                But for some reason it seems that you are lying ...
                1. glum
                  glum 12 June 2020 15: 02 New
                  0
                  why should I lie, I just found such a photo on the neta and it’s about the news of a woman who died in the Moscow region, and not who died in the Donbass.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 12 June 2020 15: 05 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Glum
                    why should I lie, I just found such a photo on the neta and it’s about the news of a woman who died in the Moscow region, and not who died in the Donbass.

                    First, your nickname "glum (Ukraina)"already indicates your possible bias, and secondly, a reference to reliable data would be appropriate.

                    I, after all, provided at least some, you - NO ...
                    1. Sergey-MX
                      Sergey-MX 13 June 2020 11: 28 New
                      +1
                      Actually, glum is right. The photo is not related to the Donbass.
                      The original source of the photo can be found in the OK group - https://ok.ru/group/52123191214288
                      the same photo: https://ok.ru/group/52123191214288/topic/62799161748432
                      another one with the same boy: https://ok.ru/group/52123191214288/topic/62799162928080
                      The boy’s mother died in a train crash:


                      I am for objectivity.
                      1. glum
                        glum 22 June 2020 11: 53 New
                        0
                        Thank you for your help
          2. glum
            glum 12 June 2020 11: 05 New
            -2
            do not distribute fake photos, now everything is easily done on the Internet
          3. Shteffan
            Shteffan 12 June 2020 12: 51 New
            -6
            And who will stop the Vlasov killers?
          4. RUSS
            RUSS 15 June 2020 13: 59 New
            -2
            Quote: The same Lech

            It's time to stop the Bandera killers by force.

            Why such a photo?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 June 2020 15: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: veritas
      If it were not for the officials' fear of personal sanctions, Donbass would have been in Russia for a long time.

      Yes, for sanctions officials this is death.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 11 June 2020 15: 20 New
        18
        Queue .... My classmate in Gorlovka recorded for the summer. His children have already received Russian passports!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 June 2020 15: 49 New
          +8
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Queue .... My classmate in Gorlovka recorded for the summer. His children have already received Russian passports!

          Your services work slowly, slowly.

          Everything was done much faster in the Crimea, at least because everything didn’t have to go to the Russian Federation, everything was done on the spot ...
        2. major147
          major147 11 June 2020 21: 59 New
          12
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Queue .... My classmate in Gorlovka recorded for the summer. His children have already received Russian passports!

          My youngest son married a girl from the LPR and at the end of March they gave me a grandson!
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 11 June 2020 15: 26 New
      +3
      In fact, why pull with the inevitable entry of Donbass into Russia?

      - it’s not the roof that needs to be put up anymore - the foundations of the Kremlin bvshen need to be strengthened. shall we succeed by the deadline ?.
    5. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 11 June 2020 20: 28 New
      +7
      I agree with you that sanctions against Russia are like a flea dog, which is too embarrassing, the undead richly have nothing to start; they must be taken away and not Uzbeks
    6. ustal1951
      ustal1951 12 June 2020 10: 59 New
      +1
      So it is necessary to alienate officials who are personally afraid of sanctions from their places they have been inhabited, even if they are afraid at home or somewhere else, but not in the civil service. Moreover, we would have to put things in order with some of our banks and other organizations that are afraid of registering in Crimea. I am afraid that this timidity is caused by the very selfish interests of the leadership of these structures.
  2. Galleon
    Galleon 11 June 2020 15: 16 New
    +9
    One European Burkhalter already once indicated what the leaders of the Russian Federation should do in relation to the Donbass. All this order is strictly implemented. Nothing else can explain the existing attitude of Russia towards Russians in constant danger.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      One European Burkhalter has already indicated once

      Again, this hackneyed nonsense.))))) And most importantly, people like you do not get tired of writing it everywhere. And the head can still be an attempt to think and look at the dates when he came to the Russian Federation, and when the Russian Federation began to help LDNR? And this, according to him, by order of the Russian passport, is being handed out to LDNR? But why didn’t he give the order to Crimea to return? That's just funny.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 11 June 2020 15: 17 New
    -37
    Tighten belts to align the standard of living in the Donbass to the average Russian?
    1. A good one
      A good one 11 June 2020 15: 22 New
      10
      I can help, my joy, to pull your strap into two holes. wink
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 11 June 2020 16: 04 New
        -23
        I’m afraid this attempt will end badly for you ...
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 11 June 2020 18: 12 New
          +3
          In ear or ear did not receive? negative
        2. vostok68
          vostok68 11 June 2020 19: 59 New
          +4
          While you have problems, and We didn’t even touch you yet!
    2. vostok68
      vostok68 11 June 2020 15: 54 New
      +5
      I personally agree to tighten my belt, pride in my homeland is worth a lot!
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 11 June 2020 18: 15 New
        10
        We have a belt, and Bender has noose, so let his Adam's apple and crush it.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 11: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Deniska999
      Tighten belts to align the standard of living in the Donbass to the average Russian?

      ))))) What makes you think that for this you need to tighten your belts?
  4. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 11 June 2020 15: 19 New
    12
    It is high time! It’s just not to slow down the LDNR Armed Forces in a fair restoration of the borders of their Republics. And within a maximum of a month, bloomers will receive 3-4 boilers, and will be removed home. And the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk region with one stroke of a pen to turn into state with all that it implies. But, according to the interlocutor above, about officials and pennies. Therefore, we have 6 years Bandera chiri in his back seat. And at the same time we portray that nothing happens.
    1. A good one
      A good one 11 June 2020 15: 31 New
      -5
      I agree. But what happened was no longer a ride. The West does not need next boilers, and for us the initiative will be additionally punishable, this is the status quo between peace and war. yes
    2. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 16: 25 New
      0
      How I like such calls not from fighters who actually fought (Insurgent, for example), but from couch provocateurs.
      I will not comment on the military component of such a "plan", but I think it will not be an easy walk.
      Donbass will never become part of the Russian Federation.
      Not for that huge sums were spent (and are being spent) to create such a powerful instrument of influence on Ukraine, so that it would be so easy to abandon them. This is just stupid.
      Russia does not need Donbass - all of Ukraine is needed, if not in the composition, then at least in a controlled state. And over time, much can happen - a favorable moment will come and it will reach the Dnieper of the Russian Federation ....
      But while the Russian Federation is clearly not up to it, there are enough of its own problems to deal with expansion.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 11 June 2020 18: 08 New
        +1
        I cry and cry from your writings, and my fist is not screwed up for your photo card and I’m not alone here, a rhyming player. yes
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 11 June 2020 18: 10 New
        +4
        Donbass will never become part of the Russian Federation.
        Huge amounts were spent (and are being spent) ...
        Donbass will never be Ukraine. Thinking, not thinking, wasting, not wasting - all this is in the past. Time passes, circumstances change, plans too. Sometimes I turn right 180 degrees.
        1. Vladimir Kiev
          Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 23: 18 New
          +5
          I agree with that.
          The Ukrainian authorities do not need Donbass from the word "absolutely", despite all the rhetoric Donbass - tse Ukraine.
          And from an economic and political point of view.
          So it turns out - no one needs it, no matter how cynical it sounds ...
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimir Kiev
            The Ukrainian authorities do not need Donbass from the word "absolutely", despite all the rhetoric Donbass - tse Ukraine.
            And from an economic and political point of view.

            Now pick up LDNR all the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions and I will see how Ukraine will not need them economically. The fall in GDP will be even greater than in 2014. Two metallurgical plants in Mariupol, NKMZ and SKMZ in Kramatorsk, Krasnoarmeyskaya Zapadnaya No. 1, Druzhkovsky Gormash., Lisichansky oil refinery, chemical plant in Rubezhnoye, Artemsol.
            Quote: Vladimir Kiev
            So it turns out - no one needs it, no matter how cynical it sounds ...

            Need RF. No need would not help. But as you wrote above correctly
            Quote: Vladimir Kiev
            Not for that huge sums were spent (and are being spent) to create such a powerful instrument of influence on Ukraine, so that it would be so easy to abandon them. This is just stupid.
            Russia does not need Donbass - all of Ukraine is needed, if not in the composition, then at least in a controlled state. And over time, much can happen - a favorable moment will come and it will reach the Dnieper of the Russian Federation ....

            But that was before. Now I think in Moscow they decided what to do according to the Abkhaz-South Ossetian scenario.
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 11 June 2020 17: 19 New
      +1
      Sun LDNR will not be able to do this
    4. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 11: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      It is high time! It’s just not to slow down the LDNR Armed Forces in a fair restoration of the borders of their Republics. And within a maximum of a month, bloomers will receive 3-4 boilers

      )))) Yeah. How easy it is for you. Well, on the couch there’s no difficulty fighting.
  5. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 11 June 2020 15: 21 New
    +1
    If Trump wins the election, then I think it might work out. Again, sanctions are clear, but at least it will not be so harsh. A military scenario is ready for a long time. 8 The army is clearly in the Rostov Region for a reason.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 June 2020 15: 28 New
      -5
      Quote: Sergey 777
      If Trump wins the election, then I think it might work out.

      Those. There is no sovereignty, and the political regime and economic system are formed for the tasks of the United States? Probably.
    2. tagil
      tagil 11 June 2020 15: 56 New
      -2
      Comrades. From the leadership, an order came to stop fomenting a booth in the United States and start a campaign in support of our Donald Trump in the new election. Full activation. Let's. All ass in a handful and drove off. Chose then, choose again.
    3. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 23: 13 New
      +4
      The only comment on the case.
      But I didn’t understand something - did my geopolitical look offend the feelings of local pacifists ??
      What is already all? Ukraine is not needed?
      Enough Donbass and the point ??
      But what about the groaning under the yoke of the Nazis Kharkov and Odessa ??
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 12 June 2020 22: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir Kiev
        But I didn’t understand something - did my geopolitical look offend the feelings of local pacifists ??
        What is already all? Ukraine is not needed?
        Enough Donbass and the point ??
        But what about the groaning under the yoke of the Nazis Kharkov and Odessa ??

        The question is, what kind of Ukraine is this? Morally decomposed, corrupted by rampant theft and bribery of the crowd, motivated by Bandera nationalism, officers nurtured on American cookies (financial handouts), ditched education and medicine, nepotism and betrayal ... You have everything in shit ..
  6. Bagatur
    Bagatur 11 June 2020 15: 25 New
    -11
    Is Donbas Ukraine really needed? If I decided, I gave it with pleasure and then I will see what happens. Everything needs to be rebuilt there, 20-30 billion rubles are not necessary ... Then, for Moscow, it is fraught with a loss of opportunity for influence. Ukrainian politics (perhaps the most important) is essentially independent of Donbas, but as part of Ukraine, pressure on it is independent .. This is exactly what Moscow wants! If the government goes to UTB, all the problems will be for Russia, and Donbas! Want to go to Russia? Like, let them go!
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 28 New
      0
      Quote: bagatura
      Everything needs to be rebuilt there, 20-30 billion rubles are not necessary ...

      You probably have not been to LDNR if you write this. What are there 20-30 billion dollars. Do you seriously believe that everything is destroyed there as in Stalingrad?
      1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 14 June 2020 17: 32 New
        -1
        Well, it doesn’t look like Stalingrad 1942, dear CSKA, but it’s quite post-war Stalingrad. Outskirts of Donetsk, Horlivka, a suburb of Slavyanoserbsk, Uglegorsk ... Enough of destruction! By the way, nobody really deals with them. So, cosmetic repairs, ,, image of life ,,,, reports on the work done ,, and spent funds ...
        Before the war, Ukraine was in no hurry to invest in the Donbass. In Gorlovka, it’s quite possible to make films about the 80s of the last century, about the “damned 90s” - very authentic city landscapes. This is not to mention the completely destroyed and abandoned neighborhoods, districts, settlements.
        It's not even about the money. No MOVEMENT anywhere. No OWNER in this territory. There is NO MEANING in what is happening. While Zakhar was alive, the DPR went its own way. People believed him, there was a d and n and m and to and z and z n and. Now - ,, dream ,, everywhere. There is no work, wages ,, ridiculous ,, (prices are quite reasonable, as in the Russian Federation) and most importantly - there is very little MEANING in what is happening. What ideals kill people in the Donbass every day? For ,, Russian world ,,? But in ,, Capitalist Russia ,, in the state that now ,, rules, on the territory of Russia, is there a lot of this very ,, Russian world ,,? Efremov - is it, the Russian world ,,? Kirkorov, pulling on a vest and taking the Airborne Forces - this is ,, the Russian world ,,? Fattened boorish rich with Western citizenship - is it, the Russian world ,,? Cards, numbers, security cameras, lack of secrecy of telephone communication, advertising on crosses (!) Near pharmacies, the notorious ,, sixes, ”and pentagrams everywhere - is it, the Russian world ,,?
        If there were a serious state on the territory of Russia, the problem with the Donbass would have long been resolved. It is a pity to upset the unpaid cheers of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but the current state on the territory of Russia does not have genuine independence. It is largely controlled by the West and cannot, at times, make independently those or other crucial decisions. The simplest example, on the topic, is the lack of banks in the Republic of Crimea. What else to talk about?
  7. iouris
    iouris 11 June 2020 15: 26 New
    -3
    Tomorrow or someday?
  8. kepmor
    kepmor 11 June 2020 15: 33 New
    -1
    at least 10 million passports at present ... it still won’t solve the problem ...
    Putin won’t go for it ... not so much the situation with finances and economics will not allow it, but real isolation from world markets ... here we won’t get rid of import substitution songs ... we’ll squeeze in full ...
    Well, if you decide, then there will be orders of magnitude more money than in the Crimea ... but where to get it ??? ...
    and his entourage and the oligarchs of the LPR do not even need ... villas, money with children in "hated" Europe with states ... and this is closer to the body ...
    1. tagil
      tagil 11 June 2020 16: 07 New
      -2
      Putin won’t go for it ... not so much the situation with finances and economics will not allow it, but real isolation from world markets ... here we won’t get off with import substitution songs ... we’ll clamp it in full ...
      That is, as it were, our gas, wheat, metallurgy, construction, software, heavy engineering, instruments and scientific equipment and many, many other things that the West buys and the whole world will cover our entry to the market. But according to your logic, they will continue to sell their consumer goods to us intensively, and even (revenge will be cruel) they will raise prices for it. And they will not untie their navel if they simply prohibit cargo transportation and the flight of aircraft through our country. I’m already silent that if we simply cut off the gas for them, then the whole "democracy" in Europe will simply die out by the spring with all its advanced and tolerant society (pederasts, it is a pity that tears are welling up).
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 11 June 2020 16: 23 New
        +3
        everything that is purchased from us is absolutely not a difference on the world market ... everyone will be happy to remove the competitor ...
        their shirreb may suffer, but only we risk being left without innovative technologies, electronics, drugs and sooo much that we do not have by definition ...
        and add here all the "screwdriver" factories, all the largest retailers and half of our banks ...
        and the logistics of transportation with current technologies should be changed once again ... of course it’s expensive, but for them it will not be critical ...
        1. tagil
          tagil 11 June 2020 16: 46 New
          +1
          everything that is purchased from us is absolutely not differential on the world market
          Are you sure that by spring they will build the right number of tankers and gas liquefaction plants, and Americans will finish building nuclear power plants, Canada will send them wheat, and instead of our T-90s, Americans or Germans will rivet abrash and leopolds. And why do you speak for the entire world market, the market does not end with America and its satellites.
          add here all the screwdriver factories, all the largest retailers and half of our banks ...
          All this can and should be experienced, our people are there. And why did you decide that the entire civilized world is so worried about "Ukrainian" citizens in Donbass, and not about Syrian and Libyan oil?
          1. kepmor
            kepmor 11 June 2020 17: 11 New
            +1
            ... riveted until spring ...
            the right is amazed at your awareness ... not otherwise the Security Council with the president is not a step without you ...
            Well, if you think that our T-90s and nuclear power plants, which we usually build on credit, are a decisive factor in world trade and especially in geopolitics, then I don’t see any discussion with you .... the end .. .
            1. tagil
              tagil 11 June 2020 17: 22 New
              -1
              I completely agree with you. I'm dumb like champagne cork. I completely agree with you that as soon as Russia ceases to supply gas to Europe, immediately, immediately, Americans will deliver to Europe molecules of democratic liquefied gas, without which the European economy will not bend.
              we risk being left without innovative technologies, electronics, drugs and sooo much that we lack by definition ...
              And here you are right again. Where the Europeans can supply us with all this if the economy, which for the most part runs on our gas, simply stops. And once again I say, it’s not necessary to speak for the whole world, otherwise I’ll think that the Council of Europe and the State Department will tell you how they will deal with us.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 35 New
          -2
          Quote: kepmor
          and add here all the "screwdriver" factories

          What are you? After Crimea, they did not close it, but here they will. Don't you think that large corporations in their countries, governments have lobbies? And where did you get the idea that these are "screwdriver" factories?
          Quote: kepmor
          all major retailers

          Have you seen Volmart Illi Starbucks in Russia?))))) Our largest retailers.
          Quote: kepmor
          half of our banks ...

          ))) Well, you give. 70 percent, if not more, of banks in the Russian Federation are Russian banks, and the largest are Sberbank, VTB and Gazprombank.
          Quote: kepmor
          and the logistics of transportation with current technologies should be changed once again ... of course it’s expensive, but for them it will not be critical ...

          Transportation of whom, where and why?
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    2. akinfeeffr
      akinfeeffr 11 June 2020 19: 48 New
      +2
      I agree. But all the same, they’ll clamp down on sanctions, if not cool. They will find a reason.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: kepmor
      how much real isolation from world markets

      ))) Do you seriously think so? And do not tell why it is suddenly, after the accession of Donbass, China, India, Africa, Indochina or the Middle East will stop buying our products? Even Japan and South Korea did not impose current sanctions because of the Crimea and Donbass. Or, in your EU, will they suddenly completely abandon gas and oil?
  9. vavilon
    vavilon 11 June 2020 15: 38 New
    +1
    All Ukraine must come according to the Crimean scenario and then it will be fair
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 June 2020 15: 52 New
      11
      Quote: vavilon
      All Ukraine must come according to the Crimean scenario and then it will be fair

      All Nazi Ukraine must go through GERMAN scenario, and then it will be fair.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 11 June 2020 21: 26 New
        +2
        Now the German script is unlikely to pass too much "tolerance" now.
        Although the German scenario in this case is the most promising
        And sooner or later this issue will have to be resolved and the sooner the better.
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 11 June 2020 15: 59 New
      -2
      and we need it ??? ... for the sake of which the most important thing is to rip someone's navels ??? ... it's too late, my friend, very late ...
      in the 91st it was necessary, but no one ... and not the fact that it would grow together ... even then the majority screamed that enough to feed Muscovites ...
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 11 June 2020 21: 21 New
        0
        It's never too late, and not people screamed but a bunch of provocateurs
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 18: 15 New
      +3
      Why do we need Western raguli?
  10. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 15: 45 New
    +2
    Definitely, the news is encouraging, and the author of the rights the Ukrainian side arranges sluggish events, but the constant shelling of Russian citizens will already have an occasion to scratch the back of his head for ukrov, and the consequences, in the form of an arrival of the north wind.
  11. cniza
    cniza 11 June 2020 15: 58 New
    0
    So, the only way to bring peace to LDNR is to integrate them into Russia.


    Sooner or later it will happen, only people are dying now ...
  12. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 11 June 2020 15: 58 New
    -6
    It is too early to accept the "stubs" of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, in which the referendum on independence was held, into the Russian Federation. Russia will not gain anything from this: to receive for the maintenance of two more "cut down" (in terms of the territories of each of them) subsidized regions with a killed infrastructure and industry ?; not quite loyal population with an extensive network of agents of the SBU and owners with a huge amount of illegal weapons ?; actually become a violator of the Minsk agreements, approved by the UN Security Council? !!! I believe that a million Russian passports and general knowledge of Russian history and language is not enough. How many millions of Russian-speakers and how many hundreds of thousands with passports of the Russian Federation in Israel? ... And the wars with the Arabs are no worse than in the east of Ukraine ... That's when a single community is formed in the local population, they will renounce Ukrainian citizenship, they will stop going for handouts across the demarcation line , will be cleared of the fifth column - the whole country will say: "Donbass is Ours!" Otherwise, the local elites still cannot rally into Little Russia, they pay taxes for Akhmetov and Kolomoisky and do not achieve real independence and do not build.
    1. asv363
      asv363 11 June 2020 16: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      pay taxes for Akhmetov and Kolomoisky

      Which enterprises specifically?
    2. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 11 June 2020 23: 27 New
      +2
      That's strange!
      As soon as a sober view of things - so immediately in the "minus" of a person. Moreover, I am his ideological opponent, I cannot but agree with the logic and arguments.
      And their "relatives" will pass ...
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Vladimir Kiev
        That's strange!
        As soon as a sober view of things - so immediately in the "minus" of a person. Moreover, I am his ideological opponent, I cannot but agree with the logic and arguments.
        And their "relatives" will pass ...

        You agree with him that he writes a script that you like. And about Israel, he generally wrote nonsense.
    3. nemez
      nemez 14 June 2020 07: 39 New
      0
      Russia did not sign the Minsk agreements. We are observers. Their prices are violated and Europe
  13. storm
    storm 11 June 2020 16: 15 New
    +4
    It was necessary to do everything right away in 2014 until the "banderlogs" occupied most of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
    These two regions should be joined along their administrative borders.
    It would have been possible to avoid thousands of ruined lives and 6 years of torment for the residents of New Russia.
    1. akinfeeffr
      akinfeeffr 11 June 2020 19: 50 New
      0
      Yes, many people think so, and why we did not give the go-ahead, we still do not understand.
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 12 June 2020 18: 28 New
      0
      If I knew where to fall, I would lay straws ... Or, in Odessa: if I knew a purchase, I would live in Sochi.
      No one believed. and I didn’t think that Ukraine could so get rid of it - start bombing, go to war. All exhorted, urged to change their minds.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 11 June 2020 16: 31 New
    +4
    In Abkhazia, they received all Russian passports, in South Ossetia, Transnistria ... they don’t see the Crimean scenario ... the West and the USA will not give up the Donbass ... they are satisfied with this situation .... With this situation, it’s possible for Russia crush and keep Ukraine on a short leash ...
    1. Azis
      Azis 11 June 2020 17: 32 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      In Abkhazia, all Russian passports were received, in South Ossetia, Transnistria ... something not to see the Crimean scenario ...
      Incidentally, this process was supervised by the current director of Roscosmos during the KRO. Probably, all the results of his work are as follows, + the constant glance of the "political" leadership of the country at Fashington & Co.
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 12 June 2020 12: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: parusnik
      The West and the USA Donbass will not give up ..

      )))) And someone will ask them? They did not want to give Crimea.
      Quote: parusnik
      they are satisfied with such a situation .... With such a situation, it is possible to put pressure on Russia and Ukraine on a short leash ...

      I agree with that.
  15. Igoresha
    Igoresha 11 June 2020 16: 42 New
    +6
    while VKontakte and Vodafon (the Ukrainian MTS + at the same time and the Russian MTS went roaming) were cut down only in the LNR, due to the miners' abandonment due to non-payment of salaries in Anthracite and a couple of other cities, we are waiting for Yegor Makhov to write about this
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 June 2020 16: 51 New
    -3
    Solzhenitsyn’s heirs in Russia work together with Bandera. Not our Donbass, but they will give passports to pro-Russian Donbass people, there will be fewer people. and in the Donbass officially come Bandera.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 11 June 2020 16: 53 New
    +3
    An impasse, a knot, misunderstandings, an imperfection .... all this will have to be completed in the end, in spite of any costs .... because of the pluses, the profit will be the most important and cannot be measured by any kind of mess!
  18. Tagan
    Tagan 11 June 2020 17: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Deniska999
    Tighten belts to align the standard of living in the Donbass to the average Russian?

    Does he already press you?)))
  19. Etherion
    Etherion 11 June 2020 18: 35 New
    -10
    Very problematic region. Indeed, economically, the region is purely in the red. There will be a quarrel again with the West. This is not Crimea, there are no benefits. Do not attach them.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 June 2020 20: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Etherion
      Indeed, economically, the region is purely in the red.

      Almost all our regions are “purely in the red”. This is not an argument.
  20. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 11 June 2020 20: 58 New
    -8
    I am for the recognition of the LPR and the DPR as independent states and the provision by the Russian Federation of these territories with guarantees of military and economic security (if there are a large number of Russian citizens in these republics), as was done with respect to Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but against the inclusion of these territories in the Russian Federation ...
    1. Bat039
      Bat039 11 June 2020 22: 05 New
      +5
      And where is the logic in your proposal ?! The RF will have to feed and protect them under your option, and the independent king will rule them with his whims! This is not profitable for Russia, and with Abkhazia and South Ossetia it is also necessary to raise the question a bit - Either they are part of the Russian Federation and comply with all laws of the Russian Federation, or they solve all their problems themselves !!!
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 11 June 2020 22: 16 New
        -5
        Quote: Bat039
        And where is the logic in your proposal ?! The RF will have to feed and protect them under your option, and the independent king will rule them with his whims!

        The logic is simple. The Russian Federation needs buffer territories between the Russian Federation and the NATO countries. All local "Tsarki" in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are former "committee members" and there are no random comrades there ... Yes, you have to feed and protect, another option, shale mining and missile bases near Donetsk NATO countries ...
        The Russian Federation needs precisely buffer states subordinate to Moscow, and not a variant of the second Republic of Belarus, where only evil is remembered ...
        Donbass has no place as part of the Russian Federation, it is either again controlled territory of Ukraine or independent states (possibly with an increase in its territory in the future) controlled by the Russian Federation ...
        There is logic in my thoughts in the opinion of others or not, this is their problem ... I just expressed my opinion and am not going to adapt to the "general" opinion ...
        1. Bat039
          Bat039 11 June 2020 22: 18 New
          +3
          Buffer territories are fraught with the fact that the Russian Federation will feed and defend them, and when they attack the Russian Federation, they will send the Russian Federation away declaring their independence and rights ... The Russian Federation does not need parasites !!! Donbass was a part of Russia even before Ukraine joined Ukraine in 1654 and should return to Russia, but who doesn’t like it, we don’t keep anyone in the Russian Federation !!!
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 11 June 2020 22: 29 New
            -4
            Quote: Bat039
            Buffer territories are fraught with the fact that the Russian Federation will feed and defend them, and when they attack the Russian Federation, they will send the Russian Federation away declaring their independence and rights ... The Russian Federation does not need parasites !!!

            Do not send, because buffer territories, it is an unofficial territory of the Russian Federation and managed by its military-political leadership ....
            Militarily, here you need to think about creating irregular formations in the LPR and the DPR, military settlements on the border with Ukraine (to study the experience of Israeli Jews), the revival of the Cossacks, the use of the Cheka, etc.
            The economies of these regions are more complicated, here we need a state program for the development of both republics, creating jobs and injecting the economies and industries of the republics into the economic system of the Russian Federation .... the value of the republics (like Russia) is people, we are not so many, therefore it should be valuable every citizen of the Russian Federation, LPR and DPR ...
            1. Phoenix040
              Phoenix040 12 June 2020 03: 08 New
              +4
              Poland was the buffer territory of the USSR and where is it now ?! Belarusians like you, too, regarded it as a buffer territory, and Lukashenko regularly sends you away, singing a song about his independence and rights, as soon as the RF needs something ... A territory that is not part of the RF is bullshit that you should not spend money on !!!
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 12 June 2020 10: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: Phoenix040
                Poland was the buffer territory of the USSR and where is it now ?!

                It was never a buffer territory, but was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, it was controlled territory (but populated by Poles and not Russian) when it was in the police department, and even in the early 80s it started to buzz ...
                Belarusians like you, too, regarded it as a buffer territory and Lukashenko regularly sends you far away, singing a song about his independence and rights, as soon as something is needed by the Russian Federation ...

                How do you know what and whom I'm considering fool I see it as an independent state, a leadership that the Russian Federation constantly says that it is an allied state, and showing the opposite with its actions ... The Russian Federation’s attempt to glue the former republics around itself was unsuccessful either during the creation of the CIS or during the creation Of the Union State of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, neither when the EAC was created .... because probably, of all the countries included in these organizations and unions, only three are self-sufficient in economic terms - the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan .... all the rest are rogues ....
                The buffer territory differs from the territory of the Russian Federation in that it is a pity to lose it, but it will not be a tragedy, however later it can really become a part of the Russian Federation .... under certain economic, political and military conditions ....
                Lukashenko is not the first and not the last among the leaders of the CIS countries to send the Russian Federation, however, no country whose leaders did this did not benefit from this ....
                The territory is not part of the Russian Federation, this is bullshit, which is not worth spending money on the Russian Federation !!!

                Bullshit is a country that became part of the Russian Federation with a hostile population and who believes that everyone (the population) is obliged to it, why artificially make the USSR 2 and again to the detriment of the Russian Federation?
                1. Shadow041
                  Shadow041 12 June 2020 23: 13 New
                  +1
                  In order for the Russian Federation to not have a population hostile to the Russian Federation, you need to close the border with Russophobia-sick states of the former USSR and not give Russian citizenship left and right ... And with such proposals you need to write comics ... So what Russian citizenship doesn’t bother you with Azerbaijanis, but Russians from Donbass prevent you from living. As for the UKROPs, no one bothers to deal with them in the same way as they did with the Germans living in Kaliningrad ... Not loyal to Russia and its indigenous population in Russia does not belong !!!
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 12 June 2020 23: 26 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Shadow041
                    In order for the Russian Federation to have no population hostile to the Russian Federation, it is necessary to close the border with Russophobia-sick states of the former USSR and not to hand out Russian citizenship to the left, right and left ...

                    It does not depend on me ... in addition, the Russian Federation does not have enough people (the working population) and specialists in various industries ....
                    And with such offers you need to write comics ...

                    And you fool same way...
                    It means that giving the citizenship of the Russian Federation to the same Azerbaijanis does not bother you, while Russians from the Donbass are bothering you.

                    I did not say that they interfere ... they just once voted for the independence of Ukraine, t.s. made your choice ...
                    They let them receive Russian citizenship, in accordance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation, who forbids them ...
                    I am against the inclusion of Donbass in the Russian Federation ...
                    As for UKROP, no one bothers to do with them the same way as with the Germans living in Kaliningrad... Not loyal to Russia and its indigenous population in the Russian Federation does not belong !!!

                    If you were a young man, at least once in your hands would take the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law "On Citizenship of the Russian Federation", then you would not write this nonsense ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 12 June 2020 23: 38 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      The Russian Federation does not have enough people (able-bodied population) and specialists in various industries ....

                      This is for what, if not secret?
                    2. Shadow041
                      Shadow041 14 June 2020 05: 03 New
                      +1
                      negative I’m not quite a young man, I was born in the USSR and I remember the sucking vote about the preservation or liquidation of the USSR in the RSFSR ... Most of them voted for the preservation of the USSR, but Alkanaft Yeltsin and Judas Gorbachev didn’t give a damn about it, they licked Yankee boots and now lick ... Yeltsin’s granddaughter is a US citizen ... As for the Donbass, he was not part of Ukraine until 1924 and no one asked the locals if they want to live in this very Ukraine ... Donbass belonged to Russia when Ukraine was a Polish pig grazed and I see no reason why the Russian land should be under UKROP occupation! At the expense of migrants - personally, I do not see any need for them, and migrants from Russophobic countries of the former USSR only worsen the criminal situation in the Russian Federation!
  21. A.Lex
    A.Lex 11 June 2020 21: 54 New
    +1
    only the naive can believe in the ability of the people's militia, even if it is an order of magnitude more efficient than the militia, to break the ridge of the Ukrainian military machine.

    Strange ... But what about those boilers, into which the "Ukrainian military machine" was driven by the militia? Very strange reasoning, very ...
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 June 2020 23: 21 New
      -1
      There Russian troops helped
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 June 2020 17: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: Kronos
        There Russian troops helped

        Will they not help in a new war?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 12 June 2020 17: 51 New
          0
          The new one will be more difficult because in 6 years they have strengthened and gained combat experience
      2. A.Lex
        A.Lex 15 June 2020 20: 31 New
        0
        Remarkably! Let's list:
  22. Bat039
    Bat039 11 June 2020 22: 03 New
    +6
    I approve the return of Donbass to Russia !!! It's time to do it! It's time to stop the genocide of the Russian people organized by Bandera in the Donbass!
  23. philosopher
    philosopher 11 June 2020 23: 26 New
    +9
    ... "those who were lazy or disdainful to receive a republican document created a colossal queue."
    - These words of the author caused grief, bewilderment and indignation!
    Six years ago I was 57 years old. We have started a war. There is no work, no pension, no humanitarian aid, no means of subsistence. They do not take to work anywhere. What are the means to live, be treated, pay for communal services, dress and shoes? What passport was I then thinking about? Moreover, we were expecting the Crimean version here too. But we were "out of the way" ...
    I will say more and frankly: if it were not for Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, then in general neither the DPR nor the LPR would have arisen and never existed in nature! For three months he tore off the armed forces of Ukraine, giving Donetsk the opportunity to prepare, assemble, arm, organize its administrative structures, etc. Doubts about the expediency of our existence sounded then from the lips of the President of the Russian Federation, when he recommended postponing our referendum on May 11, 2014. So we certainly were "uninvited guests", who are known to be "worse than a Tatar." Then what was it necessary to think about the passport?
    In Abkhazia and Ossetia, Russia did not require special local passports, Georgian passports were easily passed there, just as they did not invent Crimean passports in Crimea. The Ukrainians passed there, but in Donbass everything went through ... (as we always have). They came up with a passport unrecognized by anyone, even Russia, the DPR and LPR. Now, if you get it, then you are good for a citizen of Russia, but if you don’t get it ... So the question arises: who created the "colossal queue" - those who were deceived in their hopes and expectations, or those who created this artificial barrier in the form of a local passport? (By the way, I could not find, read or clarify anywhere about the passport of the DPR or LPR from Vladimir Putin.)
    When I turned 60, they determined a social allowance of 3200 rubles. This is the minimum pension as we say, provided that I had 33 years 4 months and 16 days of work experience! Yes, it would be better if I stole my whole life - then I would have at least something stolen preserved. (Now the allowance has been increased to 4800.) At least I will not die of hunger (if I do not get sick) or I will not stay on the street (if the house is preserved) and then glory To God!
    But I'm not talking about that now. It was necessary to survive, and not to think about extra passports, and I was looking for part-time jobs. I even got on the list of journalists and correspondents merged into Ukraine who received accreditation in the Donetsk Regional State Administration for work in the republic (I am a former photojournalist).
    Later, I freelance collaborated with one of the republican newspapers, where my pictures were published under my name. But even there they paid periodically and literally in crumbs. I cannot go to the territory of Ukraine to apply for and receive a pension there, as our pensioners do a lot. I'm not allowed to travel abroad! I have an extreme shortage of money, and even now, cutting myself off, I started to draw up a passport, after rumors or gossip had passed that those who did not have this passport would no longer be given this local pension. And AvtAr rubs me here about those "who were lazy and disdained ..."
    But AvtAr does not want to remember about people living in the Donetsk region under occupation? They also went to the referendum, they were also for New Russia. But we could not defend our whole land with our scanty opportunities. And they didn’t let us beat off Mariupol and develop the offensive after Debaltseve (to clarify who didn’t let go or will the readers themselves guess?).
    In general, now, so as not to freak out and write something superfluous, I will stop, but for all fans of Yegor Makhov, I want to say: a person who has not studied the question thoroughly, but has already begun to write about it, does not inspire much confidence in me.
    I don’t know from which hole he sculpts his masterpieces there, but I write from the city of Stalino and age doesn’t allow me to smear this name with lies, slander or nonsense!
    And if someone really doesn’t like it, then fuck them !!!
  24. Fatiha Movshuk
    Fatiha Movshuk 11 June 2020 23: 34 New
    +2
    There will be no LDNR in Russia, unfortunately. Like Piskov said? It's simple !
  25. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 11 June 2020 23: 44 New
    +2
    Uh ... in 6 years it became 187 thousand citizens, and here in half a year - immediately 800 thousand ???

    It looks like a campaign promise.

    And the article somehow shows that the passport of the republics of Donbass is just an illusion.
    "Those who were lazy or disdainful to receive a republican document have created a colossal queue, the tickets in the tail of which are issued already in the autumn of 2021." 7 years of bespartovism?
  26. hermit
    hermit 11 June 2020 23: 56 New
    +3
    If the Crimean scenario is implemented in relation to LDNR, champagne will be uncorked in Kiev. Of course, they will make a formidable statement, accuse Russia of all sins, but they will be insanely, just insanely happy. After all, this means the end of the war, which in Ukraine is tired of everyone. With the exception of State Department agents and a handful of grant-eaters. But what about the rest of Ukraine in this case? Do not give a damn and forget? In principle, it is possible. But she is unlikely to forget about herself. It is absurd to hope that sooner or later a government will come to power that will implement the Minsk agreements. There will be no such government. Not for that there was a maidan. But if the government of the Ukrainian Federal Republic had been formed in Donetsk, Russia would have recognized this government as legitimate and would have provided assistance right up to the military, then a chance to solve the Ukrainian issue would appear. But I'm afraid Moscow will never do that. The gut is thin in the current rulers for such decisions. So, most likely, the situation will not change. As you know, there are no alternatives to Minsk.
  27. Clone
    Clone 12 June 2020 00: 58 New
    +2
    Long, long "harness" ...
    And oppose the Crimean scenario, it seems, only those subjects who dug over the hill "honestly earned", starting from cultural figures and ending with those in power.
  28. ilik54
    ilik54 12 June 2020 10: 20 New
    0
    Now a quarter of a million Russian citizens live in the DPR and LPR. Therefore, their protection is a matter of honor, conscience and state responsibility of Russia, the Russian government led by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and the Russian Ministry of Defense led by Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, when they decide what to do in our Donbass, then they will do so, as it should in the interests of Russians and Russia.
    So that ukro-Bandera fascists must understand that the lawlessness in the Donbass has come to an end!
    Death ukro-Bandera fascists!
    Death to the enemies and traitors of Russia and the Russians!
    Go Russia!
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 12 June 2020 22: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: ilik54
      Now a quarter of a million Russian citizens live in the DPR and LPR. Therefore, their protection is a matter of honor, conscience and state responsibility of Russia, the Russian government led by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and the Russian Ministry of Defense led by Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, when they decide what to do in our Donbass, then they will do so, as it should in the interests of Russians and Russia.
      So that ukro-Bandera fascists must understand that the lawlessness in the Donbass has come to an end!
      Death ukro-Bandera fascists!
      Death to the enemies and traitors of Russia and the Russians!
      Go Russia!

      Meehan are you?
      The analogue of everything you said about the size and situation is the PMR.
      How old are they? How much did they want in the Russian Federation?
      And they fought and are now sitting in the blockade. And there are passports.
      This does not work. Yes, and the situation of all these unrecognized republics is such that not one is developing. And people leave quickly. And the production is the same.
      And the border with the Russian Federation also does not give pluses.
      In general, only slogans.
      One and the other slogans help to live, throw off emotions, fill with the meaning of life and going to the Internet ...
      But people there pay for all this .. Life, perspective, health ...
      1. ilik54
        ilik54 13 June 2020 06: 56 New
        +1
        We are all Russian people and we must protect our Russian people, wherever they live and where they do not live. And the territory of Ukraine is populated by Russians and it belongs, the territory of Russia, so we will return everything home, everything goes to that. It seems that the time for smearing drunken snot over liberal faces is over; it is not in vain that constitutional amendments are being made.
        Everything will change.
        Go Russia!
  29. Suslin
    Suslin 12 June 2020 12: 42 New
    -1
    The article is correct, but does not reveal the full depth of the matured decision. The delay in the process of integration of Donbass into Russia is fraught with sick losses of the civilian population and personnel of the People’s Police. Yes, and the opposite side is not sitting idle white little hands. Dill erect fortifications and set minefields. So the delay in death is similar.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 12 June 2020 13: 02 New
      -1
      Yes, it’s already long late for years of strengthening good built
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 12 June 2020 13: 05 New
        0
        Kronos, what do you suggest? Or so, just support the topic?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 12 June 2020 13: 07 New
          -1
          I mean, if you fight, then wash your face with blood. The best moment is missed.
          1. Suslin
            Suslin 12 June 2020 13: 10 New
            +1
            I agree. But it is still necessary to overcome difficulties and the sooner the better.
  30. Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 12 June 2020 14: 03 New
    0
    Must stop talking and thinking if ..
    Crimea is the Russian Federation; Donbass is de facto the Russian Federation.
  31. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 12 June 2020 14: 11 New
    0
    Gryzlov the day before yesterday was silent in Minsk format. The trend, however, everyone was tired of the Kiev negotiators. The virus will end - Faster things go
  32. Diviz
    Diviz 12 June 2020 18: 22 New
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    There is no purpose. History has been taken away from people. What are we now hoping for in Belarus and Little Russia. Chechen republic republic of tatarstan and where is the russian republic?
  33. Jaromir
    Jaromir 12 June 2020 19: 03 New
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    What a million !? This will not happen .. Keep your "Wishlist" with you. The majority do not strive for your Race. What kind of Russians !? with 70% of Ukrainians in Donetsk. Nobody is going to become "Russian". It is no longer necessary to "liberate" us. Maidan bastard, pots, Bendera people of all stripes - this is not for me. Resident of the Ukrainian Donbass.
    1. Diviz
      Diviz 12 June 2020 19: 31 New
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      And what is Ukrainian nationality? The very word stealing you like. ? There is no history, and there is confusion!
  34. Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 12 June 2020 20: 41 New
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    If this happens, then I think the southeast of Ukraine will think about it ...... This clowning of the new regime is tired of everyone! In my opinion, the adoption of laws prohibiting the Russian language and the prohibition of studying in Russian was a big mistake of the new government of Ukraine ..... This annoys many residents of Ukraine .....
    And there is Pridnestrovie nearby, too, most of the population has Russian citizenship ..... Maybe God willing, and "splinters" will again begin to gather under one flag!
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 12 June 2020 22: 38 New
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      Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
      This clowning of the new regime is tired of everyone! In my opinion, the adoption of laws prohibiting the Russian language and the prohibition of studying in Russian was a big mistake of the new government of Ukraine ..... This annoys many residents of Ukraine .....

      there is no prohibition. You can communicate everywhere. Even where it seems to be officially only in Ukrainian (paperwork, training, etc.).
      Look at the news, interviews .. yes there are sometimes only presenters and correspondents in Ukrainian. And they do not shoot anyone. Education yes - after the 5th grade, only in Ukrainian. True, everything at once in the runet (and the Ukrainian segment is also 50% Russian) and the Internet is such a thing. What the consumer wants is that language and finds it.
      Annoying only with training. Although the children learn the language of the family (and if it is Russian, then it will be forever)
      And since we all know already two childhood two languages. And if there are also regions like Odessa and Western then 4-5 languages. (Bulgarian, Moldavian, Hungarian, Russian, Ukrainian, English ..)
      I also think that this is a mistake, harsh Ukrainization. And it would never have been conducted if there hadn’t been a war with the Russian Federation. Trite because no one would have sought.
      And so under the cheesecake about the war, you can write off a lot ..
      Transdniestria is in severe blockade and life there is very difficult.
      And in the Ordlo worse, there is war.
      Yes, and seeing how they are there for 6 years dynamite in everything. The war., Life and remuneration, development prospects and relationships - all have long made a choice. Nobody wants to be all kinds of NRs .. It is voluntary to become gray zones with wars and MMCs, headed without perspective, but with the Russian language ..
      Even the "Bandera" are better at times. laughing than the "Russian world" in the gray areas.
      1. Tatyana Sementsova
        Tatyana Sementsova 14 June 2020 12: 14 New
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        When you lose also the southeast, remember what we were talking about .... There is a law banning Russian, but we everywhere speak Russian who wants ..... This is normal only for Ukraine ..... Everyone who speaks Russian goes under the article .... And if you said a little more than you can, then by law get into the jail ..... You guys are funny ...... wassat
  35. Poetry
    Poetry 13 June 2020 08: 08 New
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    The one who was once our brother
    Minami worked squarely.
    The one who used to be a brother to us,
    Then, with a war, he nestled in the Donbass.

    The one who was once with us,
    He came here with a punitive detachment.
    The one who used to take the oath of allegiance
    We are so godless and cynical betrayed!

    Who was with us, in the rain or in a snowstorm,
    Now he has gone over to our enemy.
    The one who was tied to us by Faith
    Jumps already under the flags with a bandera.

    The one who helped the enemy break the ridge
    He betrayed the homeland. Betrayed his mother! ..
    Such of course, we are no brother.
    The one who is not so pleased with us now.

    Of course, he’s no longer a friend to us,
    We will not shake his bloody hands.
    After all, this is our blood there, on his hands.
    It is about that that I write in my own lines.

    One who was unspoiled and pure
    Today, he stood in line alone with the Nazis.
    He completely forgot the stories of the elders.
    Now minted a step in the German march! ..

    Our ex-brother is worse than a fierce enemy.
    Lost completely, all the lighthouses and beaches.
    I just forgot, literally everything.
    Soon we will bury his nits., In the black soil.

    Sergey Nikolaevich Smirnov-Vyatsky.
    2016 Kingisepp
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 13 June 2020 08: 11 New
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      I want the enemies to know my name.
  36. Anatoly Shirobokov
    Anatoly Shirobokov 13 June 2020 08: 29 New
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    Good afternoon, it’s time for everyone to have the DNI and LC become a part of Russia
  37. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 14 June 2020 14: 21 New
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    Quote: CSKA
    ))) Yeah. How easy it is for you. Well, on the couch there’s no difficulty fighting.

    It's not about lightness, and it's not about the couch. The point is political will. If this will appears, it will not seem too common. And everything goes to this. I hope I'm not wrong. And the Bandera-clownhead is already tired of everyone for the most "don't want".
  38. Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 16 June 2020 23: 23 New
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    Why do we need it? Residents of the DNI and LC understand why. What about the Russians?
    Get new sanctions for breaking borders in Europe? Easy. Maybe not even personal, but total. As Iran received in due time.
    It, of course, is the magic of large numbers. But not to that extent. There are many questions.
    How many percent of new citizens will keep Ukrainian passports? And why do we need citizens who plan to live in two houses?
    To support foreign separatists when we don’t strongly favor our own?
    Take money from your regions for the restoration of sawn plants in the Donbass?
    Frivolous conversation.
    1. Sergey Zhikharev
      Sergey Zhikharev 18 June 2020 11: 59 New
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      Get new sanctions for breaking borders in Europe? Easy. Maybe not even personal, but total. As Iran received in due time.

      Have the old sanctions been lifted? New ones are not introduced? It's just that this time there will be a reason to impose sanctions not for "poisoning", "interference in elections", "support for Syria", "automatic", but for violation of borders in Europe.
      And Russia introduces the same sanctions in response.
  39. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 June 2020 15: 03 New
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    There is nothing to pull, the longer the pull, the more innocent people die, just because they want to remain Russian. The fear of our bureaucrats for their stolen abroad is the only obstacle to this. And what kind of Russians are they. They had long ceased to be Russian, but they did not become foreigners either.
    1. Dmitry10SPb
      Dmitry10SPb 17 June 2020 17: 14 New
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      In the sense? It is the 7th year. It has long been known for sure that there is no genocide or oppression of Russians in Ukraine. Generally. Russian in Kharkov or Sumy is arranged no worse than a Ukrainian. And no better. Not for Russianness they are at war. And for separatism. For the war with full foreign funding. So we do not favor the separatists. I would not make people laugh.