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So, we defeated the coronavirus, as it was, in principle, predicted, however, the promised second wave remained. Which will cover us either after the parade (in those cities where it will take place), or after a plebiscite, where our plebs, which is the electorate, will have to choose something. But it can easily pick up this infection in areas, although we are assured of the opposite.


Today, a frank aggressive campaign from our CEC continued, in which everyone is urged not just to come to the polls, but to vote. Naturally, “for” changes in the Constitution. Dozens of complaints have already been submitted to the actions of the CEC ... to the CEC!

But now we will talk about something else. About choice without choice or choice with choice.

Let's just say that I personally do not like that I will vote with a stroke of the pen at once for everything. As our gentlemen Pamfilova said, a complex lunch: vinaigrette, borsch, goulash and compote. And all in one pan, because what difference does it make, everything mixes up in the stomach anyway, right?

But not like that. I would like the cutlets to be separate, and the flies separately. But the authorities don’t want it that way, the authorities like an eternal scenario like “vote, or not that ...” Yes, in general, it is already “not that”, but, alas, they will not offer another.

And here the main question arises: what to do if borsch and compote is normal, and goulash and vinaigrette - well, nothing? Where to get a choice when there is no choice as such?

In fact, though a ghostly choice, there is one.

But here now there will be a small retreat.

In general, what is a plebiscite? Any that constitutional amendments, that referendum of a different nature, that elections?

This is, first of all, the legitimization of political processes that a minority (hundreds or thousands) dictates to the majority (millions).

Why is it so important that a person simply comes to the polling station? But because this action speaks of his recognition of what the minority is doing.

Some people equate legitimate and legitimate authorities. But in vain. These are different things. And if everything is clear with the lawful, then the legitimate power is the one that the majority of the electorate supports.

The best example is Ukraine. They illegally expelled Yanukovych, illegally appointed a management company headed by a bloody pastor, didn’t quite legally hold elections - and according to the election results, everything turned out to be very legitimate! The people really supported Poroshenko with their voices, following his promises!

And despite the illegality, based on what was found earlier, Poroshenko turned out to be quite a legitimate president. Did 59,48% of voters come to the polls? It has arrived. Voted 54,7% for Peter Alekseevich? Voted. That's it, the legitimate president.

The legal legality we leave behind the scenes here. Why? And everything is simple: the opinion of the people who voted in this way is higher than the letter of the law.

And this will happen not only in Ukraine, it can happen in any country.

Take the case when a person still came to the site. He will vote “for”, “against”, tear the ballot or eat it - it does not matter at all!

No, I’m not saying that “it doesn’t matter how you voted, it’s important how you counted”, it’s necessary to speak about this separately.

I mean that a person, having come to the polling station and holding out a passport to the registrar, expresses his agreement with what the authorities are doing at the moment. As a contract between the state and the citizen, if you want.

- Ivan Petrovich, do you agree that everything that happens around the Constitution is legal?

- Yes, I agree.

And this is confirmed by the signature of Ivan Petrovich in the ledger opposite his name and passport data.

That is, Ivan Petrovich agrees to play this game with the state.

But he agrees with the questions of the plebiscite or not - this is the second action, that is, the vote itself.

In fact, having come to vote, citizen M. agrees that his opinion or candidate will either win or lose. Accordingly, citizen M. along with them. But this citizen Ivan Petrovich M. agrees with the legitimacy of what is happening. And with the legitimacy of their victory or defeat.

This is a very important ritual. Demonstration by voters of the legitimacy of processes in society.

Here, as an example, it is worth recalling the last Duma elections. What panic reigned, how unscrupulously overstated the turnout, how the protocols were forged. It was very necessary to show that more than 50% of voters came to the polls. Because if less, this is also a signal, not only for deputies, but for the whole world. Does the state support the people or not.

Roughly the same thing with the presidential election.

People go and still (I don’t know why) vote for the same Zhirinovsky. It is clear that he will never win. But, having come to vote on a site, people confirm the legitimacy of the election of Putin. Even voting against.

And so in this way the fourth (“for”, “against”, spoiled ballot) version of events developed. By the way, it’s quite normal and legitimate. He just plays a little earlier than ticking the ballots.

Came - did not come.

Expressed the confidence of the authorities or said no.

And here the fun begins. It is clear that now the administrative resource will start working as a nuclear power plant, generating instructions, orders, adjustments, and so on, in order to ensure this very appearance.

Already today (it is not entirely clear, however, on the basis of what), but it was stated that from 60 to 65 percent of voters will come to the vote. Such an attitude was given, apparently, to be no lower than what it was in the presidential election. Because, in fact, everyone will vote for zeroing, that is, for the next election of Putin.

Of course, it is necessary that everything looks quite to itself. Worthy, colorful and legitimate.

It is clear that out of 65% of those who come, 5 or 6 percent will vote against. We have this terrible non-systemic opposition, led by the Dark Lord Liberal N.

For the rest, they promise dancing with bears, colorful shows and everything else. The main thing is that people come to vote in the expected numbers.

And in the end it turns out that the vote as such does not begin outside the doors of the polling station, but in front of them. And first, we, the citizen-voters, vote with our feet for the legitimacy of what is happening in general and express the trust of the authorities, and then we move to the voting room for details.

And there we will express our attitude to the immediate issue that the government has set before us.

So burning, eating, tearing and covering up ballots is completely optional. In any case, taking it in your hands, you have already made the first part of the choice. And they expressed their approval to the state.

So it turns out that we all make the choice before we pick up a sheet of paper and a pen.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 11 June 2020 04: 52 New
    +9
    Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the ballot, and even more so sit out at home - play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their phi, falsifying elections (yes any votes) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and the Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 11 June 2020 04: 57 New
      30
      I have to go, I agree. Although, in order to ensure that no one ticks for me in my ballot paper, I put it where I do not want.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 11 June 2020 05: 00 New
        -1
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        I have to go, I agree. Although, in order to ensure that no one ticks for me in my ballot paper, I put it where I do not want.

        In principle, in these situations, they can spoil there.
        1. New
          New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Malyuta
          In principle, in these situations, they can spoil there.

          If you want to spoil the mood of the guarantor, go and vote against. Your vote “For” or non-participation is indulgence to Peskov, Volodin, Tereshkova and all those who live there and work here
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 11 June 2020 09: 30 New
            -3
            Quote: Silvestr
            If you want to spoil the mood of the guarantor, go and vote against. Your vote “For” or non-participation is indulgence to Peskov, Volodin, Tereshkova and all those who live there and work here

            Comrade, I do not dispute your position hi
            And now a hypothetical situevina, I’ll go for a week to "the tents of the precincts and from 2 to 3 meters show them my passport and vote" against ", and at the same time, all the week 20 organized people will do the same for little money, only already in favor, is the result not obvious to you?
            And the question for you is, why did the Commander-in-Chief so eagerly invite us to go, and why is there such a persistent rush? hi
            1. Kart
              Kart 11 June 2020 11: 48 New
              12
              Not obvious.
              Passport data is recorded, 2 times you will not vote.
              Then, in the presence of observers, all this is calculated, the result is sealed. And so every day.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 11 June 2020 16: 32 New
                +8
                Passport data is recorded, 2 times you will not vote.
                Then, in the presence of observers, all this is calculated, the result is sealed. And so every day.

                Ага.

                Blessed is he who believes, warmth in the world! (WITH)
                “Woe from Wit.”, Poem, A. S. Griboedov

                ...
                1. Dingo
                  Dingo 14 June 2020 10: 58 New
                  +2
                  I remembered the unforgettable Zhenya Psaki ... request
              2. Plastmaster
                Plastmaster 11 June 2020 18: 53 New
                +2
                It's funny Since, the same recent elections showed when communicating with each other that everything is not so.
              3. Private89
                Private89 11 June 2020 21: 43 New
                11
                I’m wondering if I vote on public services, and then I come and try to vote on the site, they will have the data that I have already voted? Or they will give me a second time to vote, if so then it is clear what level of plebiscite counting and its honesty.
                Well, if we seriously vote for or against or we won’t come, even if they honestly count and they fly with a bang, someone really thinks that they will disappear right away and Putin and all the oligarchs voluntarily admit that we are not legitimate, will lower their heads and pass on power to the people? They cannot give up power, because they understand very well what the first law of the people will be. I think the impending global depression will reveal all the deformities and not the structures of this power, open the eyes to those who are still apolitical. And then the real struggle for the liberation of the country and people will begin. All the same, the refrigerator is much more convincing than the TV. And here the authorities have no one to blame except themselves.
              4. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 13 June 2020 16: 23 New
                -3
                Not so, dear Kart. Ballots are easily thrown in - there are additionally printed ones. In advance, create a base of ,, dead souls ,, (and almost ,, dead ,,). Use early voting for fraud. Counting, with witnesses, means almost nothing. ,, Correct, boldly in areas at the end of the process. ,, Cherry on the cake ,, - a room in the TEC for transmitting digital data. Access to it is strictly limited., Correct, as you want and you can! Shamelessness is amazing! Pressure is the most powerful ... ,, Administrative resource ,, however.
                The state, “Capitalist Russia,” is an initially deceitful and worthless quasi-state. It's time to finish his activities in the territory of the country of Russia
              5. Taga
                Taga 15 June 2020 19: 04 New
                0
                Observers are provided for during a referendum, and not this "popular" vote ...
          2. Igoresha
            Igoresha 11 June 2020 12: 30 New
            10
            go and vote against

            I imagine a stretch across the road "Go play a scam, if you don’t go then they will deceive you"
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 11 June 2020 15: 44 New
              14
              You are right, colleague, the game of thimbles always has one result.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 11 June 2020 05: 48 New
        23
        The fact that marriage is a man and a woman can be understood without the Constitution. And how to understand the equalization of the minimum wage of a person working 8 hours a day to the cost of living, so as not to die of hunger is quite difficult.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 11 June 2020 06: 59 New
          -49
          Do not tell me how many people we have died of hunger, it is advisable to document. And then you can answer for the bazaar.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 11 June 2020 08: 30 New
            34
            Quote: Ros 56
            Do not tell me how many people we have died of hunger, it is advisable to document. And then you can answer for the bazaar.

            Before whom ?! Before a certain Dew 56 ?! wassat
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 11 June 2020 11: 42 New
              -29
              Naive, people are responsible for the bazaar.
              1. Roman123567
                Roman123567 15 June 2020 10: 51 New
                +3
                Tell your president about this ..))
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 15 June 2020 14: 14 New
                  0
                  He already knows everything about the liberals and who are whining about you from hunger in his second car. There are enough stupid and naive semi-literate people everywhere, but they do not determine the life of the country. You can at least go wild, but not a single minuser has brought a single serious argument, so who died of hunger. One bark, as in the banderlog.
          2. depressant
            depressant 11 June 2020 08: 50 New
            36
            Colleague Ross 56. Not necessarily directly from hunger. And due to the drop in immunity against the background of stable malnutrition. Reducing life due to the inability to consume the required amount of the right foods is death from hunger.
            1. nikvic46
              nikvic46 11 June 2020 09: 09 New
              -13
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna. You must admit that in difficult times people did not indulge in greasy foods. Bread, potatoes, onions and a little butter are the whole diet. Such people survived many.
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 June 2020 10: 12 New
                22
                nikvic46, you must admit that only those who had a sufficiently strong organism by nature survived relatively short difficult times. They survived, and we, for example, know and hear them. And those who obviously had a weak organism by nature did not survive. There were not many survivors, they died and therefore can not raise their voices in their defense. They are silent! Difficult times exacerbate the situation, mortality due to hunger gets a sharp acceleration, cemeteries quickly overflow. Today's times, turning hunger into stable malnutrition, only slightly stretch the process of dying from hunger in time, making it not so obvious to you.
                1. DVR
                  DVR 11 June 2020 17: 00 New
                  +8
                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, if you consider it possible, can you answer the question. So I wrote to a person with a similar (in meaning) nickname "Pessimist22", but he, like everyone else, does not answer. Victory Flag on the Reichstag on his avatar. I wrote the truth below in a similar edition, but there is something else.
                  In the late 80s there were many pessimists who very actively began to tell us that everything in the “scoop” is bad, everything is not like people’s rotting west in chocolate, and there are a hundred varieties of sausages in stores. And in the United States, heaven in general is heaven on earth, and we have the whole history of the USSR - blood, terror, the Gulag, and animals control us. I was ashamed of my country. Many believed pessimists, and we decided to build capitalism with us. And the USA became the best friend and helped us in this matter, wrote laws, they even say they wrote the main part. Wink Received, what we got ...
                  The heavy 90s pessimists were silent, they didn’t give a voice, apparently they enjoyed what was built from their pitch. Unprecedented debauchery, drug addiction, poverty and hunger - people hung themselves up and fired because there was nothing to feed their family with, mostly they were drunk from hopelessness. Everything was closed, large, small and medium enterprises. It was stolen and privatized, which is the same thing. And the pessimists, apparently, were happy about the new carefree life. But by the 2010s, life had become so unbearable that exactly the same pessimists now tell us that in the USSR there was heaven on earth, justice and prosperity. And 100 varieties of sausages no longer appeal to them. Everyone in poverty is poor, and they say that we have totalitarianism and repression. They speak everywhere and write and do not hide that you really believe that the bloody regime has come ...
                  And there are so many billionaires that you can’t count. True, the United States, where pessimists used to call us, is still very far away, there is something to strive for, and we are already being called back. They call me back, and they don’t come up with anything new, why? All formulas have already been written earlier, simple and ingenious: "Take everything, and divide it."
                  I'm really confused which of the pessimists are more correct, former or current?
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 11 June 2020 18: 51 New
                    +6
                    A DVR colleague, you probably noticed that, severely criticizing the president, I eschew Maidan moods. I had to survive long before the 90s in one of the autonomous republics, where their "Maidan" constantly took place, the Russian population was subjected to severe criminal pressure. In general, I drowned in full. Hence my moderate radicalism. I believe that it is necessary to work within the framework of the circumstances that are given. Just don't be silent. And, unfortunately, the forum array doesn’t take my phone anymore, it's hard to print. Let's get back to your opinion in the coming days. I will not forget him))
                    1. RESEARCHER
                      RESEARCHER 11 June 2020 19: 06 New
                      -16
                      Why are there so many whiners on military review? It feels like this portal was occupied by residents of nursing homes.
                      1. Ragoz
                        Ragoz 12 June 2020 00: 23 New
                        +1
                        Researcher; And the elderly, in your opinion, are NOT PEOPLE, especially participants in the Great Patriotic War.
                      2. RESEARCHER
                        RESEARCHER 12 June 2020 13: 25 New
                        0
                        Thanks for the cons, Dear forum users. I take them for a double plus. It’s just that I know for certain that most of the elderly I have mentioned are one and a half, or even two times younger than me. I myself was born a few years after the end of the Second World War. So to hide behind the Veterans of our Victory is low and vile, well, okay. But "poking" is not advisable for me. And then I can take offense and give it to the eye.
                      3. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 15 June 2020 14: 19 New
                        0
                        The participants in the war do not whine as the local visitors and their pensions are not bad, even my mother, who did not fight, but who plowed the whole war, had a good pension.
                  2. DVR
                    DVR 11 June 2020 19: 10 New
                    +1
                    Thank you, I will be glad.
            2. Polente the Wanderer
              Polente the Wanderer 11 June 2020 16: 31 New
              +1
              Mortality, including child mortality?
            3. Dingo
              Dingo 14 June 2020 11: 16 New
              +3
              Familiar motives ... About the "macaroni" .. About the blockade with "good health ..." About the state, which "did not ask you to give birth" and therefore "owes nothing to anyone ...". The official abomination in his repertoire ...
          3. bar
            bar 11 June 2020 09: 47 New
            -8
            Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2020 10: 33 New
              10
              bar, do not you understand? I already answered. Changes that have taken place since Yeltsin’s era added only a few years to a person’s life, but not the decades that he could have lived by eating normally.
              1. Kart
                Kart 11 June 2020 11: 50 New
                +7
                And if eating is not just normal, but excellent, then centuries of life will be added!
                That's just the power interferes.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 11 June 2020 14: 37 New
                  20
                  Well, centuries - not centuries, but a dozen years of a decent life, power takes from everyone. Ask what? Fear for the future - their own and children. We do not know what lies ahead. Fear not only corrodes the soul, but also takes away health. Any doctor will tell you this ...
                  Putin was once perceived as a guarantor of the future, but with a pension reform he hit the future in the back, and what should be expected from Putin in the future? Maybe the abolition of pensions in general? The promised 25 million high-tech jobs have melted away like morning haze in the rays of scorching reality. Remembering them is even somehow uncomfortable. But small and medium-sized businesses, which, having liberated themselves by law, could create them, as they were in the corral, remain. But against the backdrop of a declining economy and drooping optimism of the population, the oligarchs immoderately thrive. For example, last year I reported that with each barcode on Russian-made things, Usmanov will receive 0,5 rubles - the one that didn’t help a single ruble fight the coronavirus. I just took it and left for Uzbekistan. And now from July 1, it will suck out money from the Russian Federation, not cursed and not wrinkled ....
                  Or, for example, the same Potanin. Surely at least partially he will be reimbursed for money from the country's budget spent on the liquidation of the catastrophe created by him — such is the custom of fraternal relations between the oligarchs and the authorities. And what will be the psychological state of an ordinary person when planning a skinny family budget, before he read about Potanin's yachts?
                  Anastasia, length 75,5 m
                  Barbara - 88,5 m
                  Nirvana - 88,5 m.
                  Potanin is a passionate yachtsman. We also have passions, but they are much more modest. Only Putin brought the state to that and arranged everything so that the more immodest passion and the more money its carrier has, the more state guarantees of its feasibility. Unrealized modest needs of the population are an additional guarantee of shortening the life of every ordinary person.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 11 June 2020 14: 50 New
                    -14
                    Only you can make your worthy life with your knowledge, decisions and actions, no one else.
                  2. LeonidL
                    LeonidL 12 June 2020 05: 24 New
                    -19
                    Yes, my first comment against trolling amendments was quickly deleted without a trace! Democracy is seething! We'll deal with yachts - Who prevented you, gentlemen-fellow citizens without yachts, from moving their brains in the 90s, starting a business, not sitting in the kitchen shaking for a place at work, waiting for months to get paid? Those who have yachts today, not only possess them, they possess a flair for industrialists and businessmen, they build and produce, they give you work and salary. This is capitalism, but socialism you all unanimously dismissed while standing in the crowd at the White House, choosing EBN with your heart or something else. What now then with envy of teeth to click? You are against amendments - it means you are happy to give the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad, Crimea and the Kuban ... You are against the amendments and will not go to vote - then the laws of Russia will again turn out to be insignificant against the laws of the "international" that Russia did not create and adopt at all .... Do not go to vote? Then in close ranks behind the Samokhvalovs. You are against zeroing, but point a finger at the one who can lead the country and further into the Great Leader making the Great Country? I'm afraid I will get a situation again when sitting in the kitchen you will curse yourself ...
                    God gave Russia in the person of Putin a chance, do not ditch him this chance. There are a lot of talkers and rubbers in Russia, they broadcast, all of these "doctors of economics" who cannot be drawn to the real economy on the cable, which are the reincarnations of the talkers and rubbers of the Provisional Government of the 17th year.
                    You, gentlemen, fellow citizens, are now blowing into the ears of various sweet-voiced sirens something leading to great trouble. In the Navy there is such a signal "Your course leads to danger!" - do not follow the course of bulk, ksyusha, buffoon! Turn on your own brains!
                    1. Sergey Zhikharev
                      Sergey Zhikharev 12 June 2020 12: 52 New
                      +6
                      - Who prevented you, gentlemen, fellow citizens without yachts, from moving their brains in the 90s, starting a business, not sitting in the kitchen shaking for a place at work, waiting for months to get paid? .

                      1. For example age. Not everyone in the 90s could establish a business.
                      2. Some of those who embarked on the path of entrepreneurship in the 90s to 00s did not survive.
                      3. A good master / teacher / driver / seller is not equally a good entrepreneur.
                      Those who have yachts today, not only possess them, they possess the flair of industrialists and businessmen, they build and produce, they give you work and salary.

                      The owner also gives the slave food, shelter, protection from non-living standards. A slave under the lord can be sure of tomorrow. A good slave can become a master himself!
                      You are against amendments - it means you are happy to give the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad, Crimea and the Kuban ... You are against the amendments and will not go to vote - then the laws of Russia will again turn out to be insignificant against the laws of the "international" that Russia did not create and adopt at all .... Do not go to vote? Then in close ranks behind the Samokhvalovs. You are against zeroing, but point a finger at the one who can lead the country and further into the Great Leader making the Great Country? I'm afraid I will get a situation again when sitting in the kitchen you will curse yourself ...

                      The classic "who is not with us is against us", do not look at life in black and white, the world is full of other colors and a lot of shades.
                      Russia that distributes land to the right and left? No, then why register in the Constitution? Why can't you just pass a law on the priority of your law over international law, and not write it in the constitution. And part of Russian laws TODAY contradict the Constitution. Why cannot such laws continue?
                      God gave Russia in the person of Putin a chance, do not ditch him this chance. There are a lot of talkers and rubbers in Russia, they broadcast, all of these "doctors of economics" who cannot be drawn to the real economy on the cable, which are the reincarnations of the talkers and rubbers of the Provisional Government of the 17th year.

                      Putin is not the only person in Russia, and Navalny is not the only alternative
                      You, gentlemen, fellow citizens, are now blowing into the ears of various sweet-voiced sirens something leading to great trouble. In the Navy there is such a signal "Your course leads to danger!" - do not follow the course of bulk, ksyusha, buffoon! Turn on your own brains

                      And in the fleet, by chance, there is no signal "stop cutting circles, decide on the course"?
                  3. Dingo
                    Dingo 14 June 2020 11: 21 New
                    0
                    Everything is true, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, everything is true ...
              2. helvetic
                helvetic 11 June 2020 15: 08 New
                +1
                It remains only to find out what kind of nutrition is normal for which particular person. Talk about the "normal" nutrition of the abstract "man" in the abstract "whole" of Russia is demagogy abruptly better than the election committee.
                1. Florian geyer
                  Florian geyer 12 June 2020 02: 39 New
                  -4
                  Uhh. Well, as it were, nutrition, doctors, calorie and vitamin calculations.
                  Finally, a Book About Delicious and Healthy Food.
                  On average, a man needs about 2700 kk, and it’s not a whole meal, vodka and yellow whales, but normal food, with the whole complex of proteins, fats, vitamins, fiber, etc.
                  Now most of the same musk in most calories comes from short sugars in the form of doshirak and vodka
                  1. helvetic
                    helvetic 12 June 2020 12: 14 New
                    -1
                    Well yes. No "normal" food exists in nature. There is food (with all its characteristics, including the mentioned calorie content), which is necessary for a specific person not only at a specific age, but even in a specific situation, taking into account his genetics, food culture, etc. "Normal nutrition" = "average temperature in the hospital." All the arguments about him and the fact that he is lacking (outside the conditions of mass famine like the events of 1892 or 1921-1922 - based on emotions, demagogy.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 12: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: bar
              Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?

              "We believe that a deep political crisis has developed in the country, the essence of which is manifested in the failures of economic and social policies, the refusal of the government to provide economic assistance to citizens in a pandemic, the growing impoverishment of citizens, and the intensification of police repression," the statement says, which signed more than two hundred people.

              Among them:

              writer Lyudmila Ulitskaya,
              film director Andrei Smirnov,
              People's Artist of the USSR Oleg Basilashvili,
              People's Artist of the Russian Federation Liya Akhedzhakova,
              musician Andrei Makarevich,
              Director Vladimir Mirzoev,
              People's Artist of the RSFSR Natalya Fateeva and others.

              Read more at https://www.pravda.ru/politics/1505497-obrashenie/ Some typically Russian surnames ... I don’t understand what Fateeva got stuck there! Gussky alone !!!
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 11 June 2020 12: 26 New
                +8
                From that, the Gussians said about failures, does not mean that there are no failures.
                Another thing, why did they say that? Have you attended to Russian troubles? I do not believe. They do not care about us. They want closer to the feeder.
                That's how the truth becomes a lie.
                1. helvetic
                  helvetic 11 June 2020 15: 19 New
                  0
                  Yes, do not care what the top attended. They always do half a step in the right direction (an excellent example is the story from September 3). Those who can be replaced by trying to delegitimize existing unpleasant personalities will be forced to recall the “damned” regime with nostalgia. Or they remembered the story of 17 years ago. There, too, everyone spat on the weak king (from Yusupov to Kornilov), and then they either died or climbed out of the pit until the 1950s. If you want to go to the grave (if the next winners will honor you with it) - go ahead, but do not drag others. It is possible (and necessary) to change the system in the conditions of Russia only from within and quietly. Although, beads to the sword in front of Shpakovsky.
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 11 June 2020 15: 30 New
                    -3
                    Yes, you don’t need to throw the beads. It’s better to learn the story of how non-Shpakov’s overlooking everything that is possible.
                    1. helvetic
                      helvetic 11 June 2020 15: 45 New
                      -1
                      That's for me? Is there a scientific degree in history, buffoon?
                    2. Pereira
                      Pereira 14 June 2020 19: 56 New
                      -1
                      You.
                      Did you study history? Or just a guard duty charter, well-aimed bead thrower?
                      Let's compete in degrees.
                      Threat. I couldn’t answer before. Kartohu planted. Otherwise, I won’t survive the winter.
                    3. helvetic
                      helvetic 17 June 2020 00: 47 New
                      0
                      Let's stretch, "teacher." K.I.N., Assoc., 40+ articles in peer-reviewed history journals, 14 years old ped. experience at the university of the five most popular in the country. I haven’t planted potatoes for a long time - otherwise I won’t survive a week, working around the clock.
          4. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 11 June 2020 16: 06 New
            +5
            Fateeva has been sitting in all kinds of anti-Putin committees for about 15 years.
        2. Sergey49
          Sergey49 11 June 2020 16: 42 New
          +7
          So why trifle then? Let's remember back: thanks to Putin that we do not live in a cave and we are not eaten by saber-toothed tigers :)
        3. Victorio
          Victorio 12 June 2020 19: 23 New
          0
          Quote: bar
          Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?

          ===
          du.rak thought is rich, and ever-dissatisfied. if we don’t be Putin, Vasin, Petin, we’ll live, the “new and good” executives will show up, we won’t spoil the entrances, throw cigarette butts and rubbish, thump less, work at work, abide by the rules and laws, etc. etc.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 June 2020 11: 40 New
        -13
        Over the past five years, enough to carry all kinds of crap. drink less chemurgesa, less stagger around all kinds of vipers, such as various hookahs.
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 June 2020 12: 34 New
          12
          Yes, it’s just that colleague 30 vis is trying to distract us from the topic of amendments, taking us to the side of the national question. But the list is indicative. “Creative intelligentsia, with the artist’s subtle instinct”, catching the trends of the time, or more simply, keeping their nose in the wind, rummaging through the forums, revealed what the main conversation is about, and, as always, appropriated the main messages, giving them away as theirs and how would have appropriated leadership in the process. We spoke about the “advanced” Russian intelligentsia yesterday on the topic of the “grandiose artist” Mikhail Efremov. Let's not get distracted.
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 13: 20 New
        -6
        The truth in the people’s self-isolation was a slightly different problem: how not to gain excess weight. From malnutrition?
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 June 2020 14: 56 New
          +5
          From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 15: 06 New
            -4
            The keyword is overeating. But not hunger at all.
            1. Ragoz
              Ragoz 12 June 2020 00: 31 New
              +4
              AS IVANOV: Eat pineapples, chew grouse, your last day comes bourgeois.
              V.V. Mayakovsky
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 19: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.
            You are probably used to believe that happiness is in salmon caviar and jamon ... You still have bourgeois habits ... Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ... Yes, parmesan ordinary cheese .. Almost every inhabitant of Russia ate red caviar .. Jamon ... He lived happily without jamon, I will continue to live .. hi
            1. snake
              snake 11 June 2020 20: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with, fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ...

              And also pancakes from a shovel are a miracle how good ...
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 20: 24 New
                -1
                Quote: serpent
                Quote: 30 vis
                Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with, fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ...

                And also pancakes from a shovel are a miracle how good ...

                I am sharing with you, a lover of pancakes with shovels, a Sevastopol recipe, a local lover of wine ... - the recipe for an interesting drink: “Cut off the top of a ripe melon, carefully clean out the middle. Pour into a melon a bottle of vintage Port of White Crimean (6 gold, 7 silver medals). Soak for 20-30 minutes. " To your health! hi
                1. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 20: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  interesting drink recipe

                  Why do I need such bourgeois recipes! I have a hawthorn cocktail over my eyes ...
                2. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 20: 30 New
                  +1
                  Students like to drink so much port ... you drink hawthorn ...
                3. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 20: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Students like to drink so much port ... you drink hawthorn ...

                  Saso by itself. I’m not a student for a long time ...
          3. Pereira
            Pereira 14 June 2020 19: 57 New
            -1
            Pancakes with a shovel are a treat for puppies They orgasm about it.
            1. snake
              snake 14 June 2020 20: 05 New
              +1
              Actually, it was in the Stavropol Territory.
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 14 June 2020 20: 09 New
              -1
              So what?
              Who from this orgasms? Stavropol people? Arkhangelogorodtsy? Irkutsk citizens?
              No puppies. So whose national idea is this?
              Envy. They are not so fed.
            3. snake
              snake 14 June 2020 20: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Pereira
              Envy. They are not so fed.

              There is nothing to envy. I don’t know if this action was specially organized or out of stupidity, but they disgraced pretty much all over the world.
  2. Victorio
    Victorio 12 June 2020 19: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: depressant
    From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.

    ===
    somehow I don’t remember that the citizens of the USSR eats caviar, Parmesan, jamon and other dishes.
  • MBRSS
    MBRSS 11 June 2020 09: 22 New
    12
    Ros 56, in fact, almost all deaths occur from oxygen deprivation of the brain (asphyxiation). Thus, no one directly dies from cancer either. As for death from starvation: from poor (malnutrition) nutrition, there is a disruption in the normal functioning of organs, immunity is deteriorating, a person is more and more sick. And there, and not far to death. At our entrance, a pensioner died in a hospital, where he was taken in an extremely exhausted state. As it turned out, despite having two children living in the same city, there was especially no one to feed him.
    By the way. Previously, there were social services workers whose duties included periodic visits to elderly pensioners to find out their needs and try to help with something, but then these workers were reduced (optimized), although they paid them very little.
    1. BAI
      BAI 11 June 2020 10: 41 New
      +1
      By the way. Previously, there were social services workers whose duties included periodic visits to elderly pensioners to find out their needs and try to help with something, but then these workers were reduced (optimized), although they paid them very little.

      Who told you this? And who did Putin meet with the other day? All these workers are now. But they must be ordered in Sobes (social security) and their services are paid.
      1. MBRSS
        MBRSS 12 June 2020 02: 25 New
        +1
        Who told you this?

        this was said by a lady who ran on duty to pensioners in our house on duty. That was 7-8 years ago. And she said that they were cutting back, and those who were left behind would already be paid. I also recalled that for some time disabled pensioners were given food rations (cereals, sugar, cookies, and other trifles) by the holidays. Then they stopped.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 June 2020 11: 46 New
      -11
      Consequently, he died not from hunger, but from people with a goat upbringing. The subject is different from the goats man, that with obscenity, with discontent performs what he does not want at all, because he is called a man.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 11 June 2020 06: 52 New
    23
    Or maybe instead of not ticking you, you will remove your DVR from the car and put it at your polling station. To fix that no one came to this farce. This action is completely legal for any citizen who is not even an observer. If you are prohibited in violation of the law, then you can fix everything at the entrance.
    Do you think why there will be no webcams in this polling station?
    And where is the guarantee that you will throw the bulletin in one ballot box, and the votes will not be "counted" from another ballot prepared in advance at the previously announced percentage of "turnout"?
    SUCH FARS, AS SUGGESTED TO US, ONLY BOYBOT. VOTE YOUR FEET OR LOSE!
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 11: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: Old Tanker
      Do you think why there will be no webcams in this polling station?
      And where is the guarantee that you will throw the bulletin in one ballot box, and the votes will not be "counted" from another ballot prepared in advance at the previously announced percentage of "turnout"?

      Why not? There is.
      Do not count from another. There are observers from public organizations for this. Which, incidentally, is not chosen by the PEC.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 June 2020 15: 03 New
      -3
      Yes, you don’t worry, almost all of yours against the amendments to vote will not come - about 40 percent of the entire population will come and most of them will vote in favor. In Russia, such elections are always “I don’t want to vote, I’m against it, I won’t go there.” Then they start shouting “The elections are falsified” And there’s no need to look for a forgery here - they don’t go to the polls and then they wonder how they were chosen.
      1. New
        New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Russia, such elections are always “I don’t want to vote, I’m against it, I won’t go there.” Then they start shouting “The elections are falsified” And there’s no need to look for a forgery here - they don’t go to the polls and then they wonder how they were chosen.

        here I agree completely
      2. snake
        snake 11 June 2020 20: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        40 percent of the total population will come

        The turnout percentage was removed, and now we have such "elections" ... Very convenient.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 June 2020 20: 17 New
          0
          Yes, one hell - whoever wants to vote and who does not want to stay at home.
      3. Maksika
        Maksika 11 June 2020 22: 38 New
        +2
        In St. Petersburg, state employees are forced to come to the polls. Not on their own, but on the indicated ones, through public services, to take an absentee ballot. And yes, vote for what you want!
    3. LeonidL
      LeonidL 12 June 2020 05: 46 New
      +2
      On all sites, video cameras (web cameras) have long been installed and everything is available online to everyone!
  • for
    for 11 June 2020 07: 17 New
    16
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    nobody ticked me for where I do not want.

    They don’t deliver, but they will count as they need.
    1. Andy
      Andy 11 June 2020 08: 09 New
      14
      146% has not been canceled
  • Civil
    Civil 11 June 2020 07: 19 New
    +5
    Your vote is important of course, it will be taken into account for the overall picture of the socio-economic situation. But the result will not be affected in any way.
  • AK1972
    AK1972 11 June 2020 09: 36 New
    16
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    At least so that in my bulletin no ticks for me would not instruct where I do not want.

    Now it’s not at all necessary to put a tick in your newsletter. The voting results are determined directly by the CEC. Moreover, voting will be conducted both by mail and via the Internet. Can you imagine how many letters both simple and electronic can be sent by the CEC on our behalf to itself, especially since the "vote" is extended for a week. There was no such scope for falsifications in world history. Pamfilova told you in plain text that the amendments to the Constitution have already been virtually legitimized. Thus, the only thing the government is afraid of is low turnout, although taking into account the above new ways of “voting”, turnout will be ensured. So, the only way we can express our protest is by leaving polling stations empty. Let's buy a beer with a fish and just watch this show.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 11 June 2020 10: 22 New
    +9
    In fact, though a ghostly choice, there is one.

    But in my opinion, there is no choice. Everything is decided, but this farce, for the sake of the legend of legitimacy ..
    For this reason, I personally will not spend time on this.
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 11: 54 New
      +1
      Well, like this...
      But then you can scream everywhere that you were deceived.
  • Far East
    Far East 11 June 2020 10: 58 New
    +1
    (9 I have to go, I agree. Although I would like no one ticks for me in my newsletter where I don’t want to) this is serious! good good
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 June 2020 16: 22 New
      11
      At least so that in my bulletin no ticks for me would not instruct where I do not want

      Colleague, and you are sure that they have not been instructed before your arrival. And then, the results were actually announced, even the footcloths were already printed. And your participation is necessary only for legitimization. And then they will turn on a duroscope a movie about mass approval, and it will absolutely not care how you voted. Just a farce. They have long filled his hand on it, and the population is only bumps. It is time to draw conclusions already.
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 11 June 2020 05: 22 New
    11
    It is necessary to boycott. For them, the main thing is for us to come. We need a picture for the whole world. And they will draw numbers for.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 11 June 2020 06: 53 New
      +2
      That's right, comrade!
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        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 10: 46 New
          +6
          Tell me the truth, because the USSR, too, wasn’t completely "the generation of the Unified State Examination", "Boris Fight," "Borya and I are fighting," as I recall, I want to spit!
          1. Kart
            Kart 11 June 2020 11: 56 New
            +4
            Only the pupils of the best education in the world with the most just system in the world destroyed it.
            The rest are just as simple, just quietly rejoiced at the TVs in the style of "Well, Yeltsin will come, then we will live."
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    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 June 2020 07: 48 New
      +3
      I agree to all 100! I haven’t gone twice already, and this time I won’t go! True, I think that for a picture of TV they will find whatever the most active district, the site and at rush hour, the correspondent will walk around and narrate:
      - ... here I am near one of the thousands of polling stations, as we all see, a lot of voters have come ...
      1. Storekeeper
        Storekeeper 11 June 2020 09: 44 New
        +2
        For a picture, Crimea will be shown to them back to Ukraine, not hunting; there will be a turnout of almost 100%. (Russia, of course, will not give them anywhere without a constitution). You can show Chechnya there always 100% turnout. Here is a nice picture of the vote of a large multinational state.
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 11 June 2020 10: 15 New
        10
        I'm also thinking of going or not. But I am very confused that I will be in the same company with those who write: "In vain I argued with some patriots that there is no Nazism in a neighboring state." So you mister "redskin" still believe that there are no fascists in Ukraine?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 June 2020 10: 25 New
          +2
          To the extent that we are described by the media - no. Fascists, by the way, are 100 percent. You just may not be aware, but the Nazis and the Nazis are different concepts.
          Nationalism is present. Incidentally, he is akin to National Socialism. Sometimes manifested in a radical form. But so that to shout about him from the irons - I have not met and from relatives and friends I have not heard.
          But if you equate to such manifestations of zigzag and torchlight processions, then with the surprise of the Nazis you can find us.
          1. Kart
            Kart 11 June 2020 12: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            You just may not be aware, but the Nazis and the Nazis are different concepts.
            .

            This is how to understand the varieties of what is known. Both in color and in consistency.
            And the result is the same.
          2. DVR
            DVR 11 June 2020 20: 11 New
            0
            Ukraine is under external control, which can be discussed here. Fascization is not 100% conditional, because Ukraine is a manual state, and fascism is manual. Therefore, some criteria of fascism are not directly applicable. Now he will teach us the terms: fascism, nationalism, socialism, national socialism. In fact, this is a pathetic attempt to justify neo-Nazism in Ukraine and in general.
            But in such a way that I would not shout about him from the irons, I didn’t meet him and I didn’t hear from relatives and acquaintances. But if you equate to such manifestations zigging and torchlight processions, then with the surprise of the Nazis you can find us too.

            In Ukraine, this is the state level, there are untouchables, they burn people in Odessa and do a lot of things and go unpunished. And in our country, these are marginals and traitors who will not openly lift their fingers, the benefit of men in Russia is enough. They recognize the narrow covenants of Bandera’s covenants), they are not capable of anything more, because the state is not fascist, unlike Ukraine. Show me examples with us. I have already shown the most "harmless." Look again, your little brothers frolic:
            https://vk.com/video163296047_168410119
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0Z_BomHI25E&feature=emb_title
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 June 2020 08: 07 New
      12
      Quote: Snark1876
      Need a picture for the whole world

    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 June 2020 08: 38 New
      +9
      Quote: Snark1876
      It is necessary to boycott. For them, the main thing is for us to come. We need a picture for the whole world. And they will draw numbers for.
      Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
      There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with the ethical. In my opinion, it is quite obvious here. If you see a scammer-thimble in the market, then you understand that he can’t sit like that without a police or gangster’s “roof”, and therefore it’s pointless to call the police - this either will not affect the activity of the scammer and he will sit in his place, or he will at best change his location. Therefore, there is no rational choice, and ethical - just to pass by. A fraudster needs a crowd to attract the attention of stupid, greedy and greedy. The larger the crowd, the greater the likelihood that there are "customers." Therefore, the ethical choice is not to create a crowd in front of the criminal, not to make a fuss, not to attract the attention he needs so much.
      With Putin's vote, the picture is exactly the same. It will not be possible to change what is happening legally - it is naive to believe that this is so. But coming to the vote is giving it legitimacy. You came - it means that you already agree with the procedure against which you are trying to protest. Playing by the rules of a scammer, you lose anyway. Having sat down to play with a sharpie, you lose not when he takes your money, but when you sit down to play. https://el-murid.livejournal.com/4484226.html
      1. New
        New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
        There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with the ethical. In my opinion, it is quite obvious here. If you see a thimble-scammer in the market, then you understand

        and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 June 2020 11: 46 New
          +9
          Quote: Silvestr
          and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?
          In this particular case (voting on constitutional amendments), your parish does not solve anything, absolutely. Because it is precisely this vote that is held contrary to all laws. And by participating, you agree to this. Again, the situation about the sharpie above
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 11 June 2020 16: 01 New
            +7
            And by participating, you agree to this. Again, the situation about the sharpie above

            I completely agree with you and the Author. Shulers always have patched cards. Participation in any form means consent to play according to their rules. with a known result.
        2. Kart
          Kart 11 June 2020 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
          There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with the ethical.

          Ага.
          "Vote with your heart"
          Nothing stupid and you can’t come up with.
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 12: 38 New
          -5
          Quote: Silvestr
          ... and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR ...

          Sylvester, if Oblizyan is an authority for you, then ... consult with your colleagues, maybe you can still be helped request
        4. DVR
          DVR 11 June 2020 20: 16 New
          -4
          and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?

          Murid? Still Petrosyan quote)
      2. Siberiak
        Siberiak 12 June 2020 00: 35 New
        -1
        ethical choice - not to create a crowd before the criminal, not to make a fuss, not to attract the attention he needs so much

        And if a thimble-cheater scoops up a naive provincial?
        Pass by? Or intervene? What will be your ethical choice?
        By the way, I warn you, although there are few bandits, they are well organized - you can even pay ... especially if you are alone ...
    5. New
      New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 21 New
      -4
      Quote: Snark1876
      It is necessary to boycott.

      And finally, the elders in the Kremlin, the monthly funeral and Swan Lake? No one ever achieved anything while sitting on the couch.

      Are you with them?
    6. depressant
      depressant 11 June 2020 10: 23 New
      13
      Snark1876, here I am a stateswoman. I always went to the polls, considering it my holy civic duty. And she voted for the president. But now the president, having made amendments to the law before the vote, wiped his feet about me. I am humiliated and insulted as a citizen of Russia. He didn’t have to do this with me!
      1. Kart
        Kart 11 June 2020 12: 04 New
        -5
        No, it’s not so.
        "I myself am the daughter of an official, a stateswoman. Believe me, everything is not so clear here."
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 12: 35 New
        -17
        Quote: depressant
        I am humiliated and insulted as a citizen of Russia. He didn’t have to do this with me!

        Silently worry, why shout something like that ... your feet wiped on her, panimayte. This is not the President, they wiped the cockroaches. In the head which.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 11 June 2020 12: 47 New
          14
          Golovan, you have chosen a very successful nickname. Nothing but woof-woof-woof.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 12: 55 New
            -14
            Quote: AK1972
            Nothing but woof-woof-woof

            Quote: B. Okudzhava
            ... everyone hears how he breathes ...

            Pass by, they don’t feed here.
            1. AK1972
              AK1972 11 June 2020 13: 42 New
              +7
              Who is it like? Your bowl is probably full and there are plenty of bones.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 13: 47 New
                -12
                Quote: AK1972
                Your bowl is probably full and there are plenty of bones

                I earn my "bowl". And I kick yours purely in my free time, while the authorities look away laughing

                Quote: AK1972
                Who is it like?

                You - do not break off. I tell you, come in ... do not stand under the tap yes
                1. AK1972
                  AK1972 11 June 2020 14: 42 New
                  +7
                  I pass by. And if you have already choked from a bowl, climb into the booth and sleep there softly moaning, or you can knock (you are used to it). You think that only you are allowed to be rude on this site, for this they even give cardboard general epaulets.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 15: 07 New
                    -13
                    Quote: AK1972
                    You think that only you are allowed to be rude on this site

                    GYYYYY laughing good laughing

                    What is this?

                    Quote: AK1972
                    if you have already choked from a bowl, climb into the booth and sleep there softly moaning, or you can knock (you are used to it)

                    You are funny characters ... okay, live, not yet until you - work gets cold request
                    1. AK1972
                      AK1972 11 June 2020 15: 52 New
                      +5
                      Sorry, but I didn’t choose a nickname for you, would remain a cat as a Pallas and there would be no questions. Although this cat is also an interesting animal. at the sight of danger, he simply closes his eyes, thinking that since he does not see danger, then there is none.
                    2. Hypatius
                      Hypatius 13 June 2020 09: 10 New
                      -2
                      I’m already 5 years old, the meaning of this nickname (in fact the nickname) is haunting. In the Strugatsky, the Golovans were dismissive and dealt with people, considering themselves the highest race. If his dog, whom he barks at his neighbors (this character, mentioned it once) is called Jack, then this is generally in the field of psychiatry. Those. the subject considers the dog smarter than himself, and transfers its habits to communicate with humanity.
                      PS I don’t want to ask the subject myself, I’m afraid of rabies. And the answer of the sane, all the same, will not be.
                    3. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 09: 57 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Hypatius
                      In the Strugatsky, the Golovans were dismissive and dealt with people, considering themselves the highest race

                      Not bad knowing everything written by the Strugatsky, I somehow do not recall such a thing ... it would not hurt to bring a reference, just to still look at least relatively decent yes

                      Quote: Hypatius
                      I’m already 5 years old, the meaning of this nickname (in fact the nickname) is haunting

                      You almost guessed - the nickname was “inspired” by the character from “Inhabited Island” and “The Waves Quench the Wind” by the Strugatsky - there his name is Golovan Shchekn.

                      Quote: Hypatius
                      it's generally in the field of psychiatry

                      Accurate with the diagnoses - I caught the pre and for less wink

                      Quote: Hypatius
                      the subject considers the dog smarter than himself, and transfers his habits to communicate with humanity

                      It's funny And why did you decide that?

                      PS: if by "humanity" you mean local trolls, then you have a very misconception about humanity. Buddy laughing
                    4. Hypatius
                      Hypatius 13 June 2020 11: 06 New
                      -3
                      1. When Shchekn with Max, walked around the city, half of the thoughts of the movie was about the inferiority of people. From memory, I will not quote, but there is https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD % D1% 8B
                      2.And I'm smart! good
                      3 and 4. It flows from n1 and the nickname. But I’ll take this phrase back, I didn’t finish Sylvester and didn’t finish honey, and I don’t hold psychiatry for science.
                      Question: Are there a few trolls then? Maybe this is a biased-strict attitude, incl. to small mistakes and errors of people. Am I a troll too? If so, on which (of the last laughing ) positions?
                    5. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 11: 50 New
                      -3
                      [quote = Hypatius] When Schekn and Max walked around the city, half of the moviego’s thoughts were about the inferiority of people [/ quote]
                      You do not know the subject well: not with Max, but with Abalkin, for starters. As for the "half thoughts" - also ... doubtful request

                      Well, the link to Vika is just Trade Mark laughing

                      [quote = Hypatius] Question: Are there a few trolls then? [/ quote]
                      A lot of. Personally, I know a dozen only large ones ... with them a good amount in terms of constant activity on the site. Clicks, rating ... advertising. money (a site cannot live without money) yes

                      I can’t say that I like it, but the reason for the presence of this horse of Tingent is quite an objective one.

                      quote = Hypatius] Am I also a troll? [/ quote]
                      Answer yourself. As for me - you are from the agitators, and not very literate ... once, in the year 14, there was such a Uncle Joe. That - yes, there was a serious opponent, it was interesting to wrestle ... all the current ones in comparison with him are a small trifle request
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        3. DVR
          DVR 12 June 2020 07: 44 New
          -5
          And I kick yours purely in my free time, while the authorities look away

          That damn thing, generally only out of work is obtained (with rare exceptions).
          Respect, Golovan, one in the field is a warrior.
          1. snake
            snake 13 June 2020 11: 05 New
            -5
            Is it Golovan in the photo? Eagle! That is how I imagined him ... Fighting.
            1. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 13: 43 New
              +1
              And, of those, perhaps, trying to justify ukronazism) I think you know who is in the photo for any normal man - this is an example that should be followed. And here is a photo of someone with whom I would compare you, it’s even a shame to upload it.
            2. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 15: 06 New
              -3
              Quote: DVR
              Ah, from these or something, trying to justify ukronacism)

              What? Didn’t you leave yesterday’s celebration?
              Quote: DVR
              And here is a photo of someone with whom I would compare you, it’s even a shame to upload it.

              Understand. I am ashamed to have a normal appearance in comparison with Apollo.
            3. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 15: 21 New
              +1
              What? Didn’t you leave yesterday’s celebration?

              No, already gone. I looked at your comments, there you said everything. Even this one picture you posted here is enough.
            4. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 15: 29 New
              -2
              So what? How does this justify ukronacism? This is an illustration of propaganda, which to one degree or another is present in all countries. Learn at least to distinguish the minimum context, the eccentric person.
            5. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 15: 36 New
              0
              This is an illustration of propaganda, which to one degree or another is present in all countries.

              These are all your comments - undisguised propaganda with a completely understandable context.
            6. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 15: 38 New
              -2
              Quote: DVR
              These are all your comments - undisguised propaganda with a completely understandable context.

              Propaganda of what? The Ukronazists? Find at least one such comment, and then throw out your fantasies. Frantic, delusional lies.
            7. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 15: 44 New
              0
              I have already cited above. Everything is depicted in great detail, to the smallest detail. It was possible to illustrate propaganda in another way, but of course, this is your business.
            8. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 15: 53 New
              -2
              Quote: DVR
              It was possible to illustrate propaganda in another way.

              Yes, such as you even show a chihuahua, you are in this intrigue of the "gas department" and ukrobanderovtsev see.
            9. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 15: 56 New
              0
              This is not like chihuahua.
            10. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 16: 03 New
              -3

              Quote: DVR
              This is not like chihuahua.

              And even less, it seems like an adequate dialogue ... Bye!
            11. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 17: 48 New
              +2
              And even less, it seems like an adequate dialogue ... Bye!

              This character is not interesting to me, I will not even browse. Of course, the dialogue does not shine, because to prove to the troll that he is a troll is a futile task. Almost all of your comments, all this hopeless negativity and a number of beaten-up stamps are written with quite obvious goals - to encourage people to participate in the power dismantling of the current government with all the ensuing consequences. This is definitely a Russophobic position, and such a stubborn upholding of it betrays a troll in you. And the use of such proprietary for ukrotrolly turns "With a boyar went through something?" and the above pictures as if hints ... Of course, I can not prove it, and therefore I will not argue. Just stay with my opinion. Till.
            12. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 21: 25 New
              -4
              For you, fervent patriots, all who do not fight in the paroxysms of hatred for the world around them, and all who do not praise Putin day and night are trolls, ukronazists and Russophobes. With such a worldview, it will not be easy for you in the future. I did not induce anyone to "power dismantle" and am not going to. Just expressing my opinion. Like you - yours. Well, if you don’t like what someone says about the problems in Russia, you know the way. Site "Made with us." There is a sea of ​​positive and Russophilia. Everything as you love.
            13. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 21: 44 New
              +2
              Oh-oh-oh, pay more. What are we touchy and harmless. It was especially difficult with my worldview in the 90s, now it’s easier. Therefore, I know that this relative stability in the country stands, and how easy it is to lose it, which people like you contribute to. And what is wrong with the site "Made with us" and others like that? Can you dispute the information about hundreds of new businesses that is outlined there? Sometimes I go to such sites, I get positive) And here I referred to them. It seems to say goodbye, you said “bye”, me too, why start again. All remained with their own.
            14. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 22: 12 New
              -2
              Quote: DVR
              what is this relative stability in the country

              This "relative stability" costs us a decent future.
              Quote: DVR
              and how easy it is to lose it, which people like you contribute to.

              You flatter me, Andryusha. People who are smarter and more talented than me cannot stir people up at least peacefully to talk about pension reform. Where am I going? Yes, and such a task does not stand before me. As I wrote: my comments are just IMHO.
            15. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 22: 35 New
              +2
              You flatter me, Andryusha.

              Wrong name or addressee, apparently a name.
              Without this stability, there is no future at all, there are many examples, the closest and freshest you know. The result is impressive, and this is far from the end.
              People who are smarter and more talented than me cannot stir people up at least peacefully to talk about pension reform.

              The fact of the matter is that very smart, very talented people with huge resources are doing this very seriously. And people like you are just entry-level performers, of which there are a lot of people on the network on different resources, which gives a tangible effect during organized work.
            16. snake
              snake 13 June 2020 22: 43 New
              -2
              Quote: DVR
              Wrong name or addressee, apparently a name.

              Not a mistake. You just had to call you somehow. Well, not the DVR? What does that even mean? I thought that Andryusha would do.
              Quote: DVR
              Without this stability, there is no future at all,

              And you also wrote something about my "hopeless negativity" ... For people like you, no matter the change, it is certainly for the worse. Do you like cemeteries? Everything is very stable there. Quiet and smooth ...
              Quote: DVR
              tangible effect

              What is it expressed in? Everyone was sitting on sofas and sitting. It is as if someone "upstairs" were not tricked.
            17. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 23: 03 New
              +2
              Well, he said that it didn’t look like an adequate dialogue, but he himself was drawn out. But it must be completed. I said above that there is no way for the troll to prove that he is a troll - this does not make sense. Well, if he is not a stupid person at all, one of these days she uncovered such a thing. But his admin quickly deleted, with my answers, moreover (they only remained in my profile, but disappeared on the branch). Also, I started talking about the "boyar" and other nonsense. The nerves of a bloody warrior could not stand it. You all understand, Sergey, it makes no sense to overflow from empty to empty. And about "For people like you, that no change, it is certainly for the worse." you too understand everything perfectly. And about the tangible effect. It’s good that "everyone is sitting on sofas and sitting." People feel subcortex that it’s better not to “rock”, despite all the shortcomings and problems that exist. Many still have fresh memories. I can not spend so much time in discussions with you, there are other things, although I got some pleasure. Maybe next time we cross here, talk)
            18. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 23: 05 New
              +3
              from the filters here, they replaced "moron" with "stupid person") well, the literary word is a medical term.
            19. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 23: 13 New
              0
              Quote: DVR
              from filters here

              These are seeds laughing

              Would you try a couple of years ago to mention the comrade of Gay-Lussac here ... it was really funny belay laughing
            20. DVR
              DVR 13 June 2020 23: 23 New
              +1
              Imagine :) Yes, harsh filters, not always correct. But, we must pay tribute, the admin fixes it slowly.
            21. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 23: 25 New
              -4
              Quote: DVR
              we must pay tribute, admin fixes slowly

              Test: aftor = author -> author -> author

              In the word on the left, the 1st letter is Latin. To the right was the same word, entirely in Cyrillic repeat

              An old, famous bug. Domestic animal, practical ...
      3. snake
        snake 13 June 2020 23: 09 New
        -2
        Quote: DVR
        Also me about the "boyar"

        As for the "boyars" or pancakes with a shovel ... I believe that these of our Russian vices should be ridiculed. Any stupidity and stupidity (and in Russia there is enough of this good), you need to banter, so that it would be inconvenient to multiply them. And this is not ukrotrollskie turnovers. But the trouble is: - Hurray-patriots in their blighted state are even ready to defend such shameful things. That's why they are cheers, naturally.
      4. DVR
        DVR 13 June 2020 23: 19 New
        +1
        It’s not even a matter of a “boyar”; it brought him up at other speeds.
        And this is not ukrotrollskie turnovers.

        Serezha, you know that this is not so) These are exclusively ukrotrollskie turns, which is clear to anyone who was on ukroresursov. They are still very popular there. Okay, good night, it's late already.
      5. snake
        snake 13 June 2020 23: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: DVR
        This is exclusively ukrotrollskie turnovers, which is clear to anyone who was on ukroresursov.

        It can be assumed that you have not been to YouTube and VKontakte. Had visited, would have seen memes about the same boyar, and so categorically would not have written ...
        What can I say, here is a video about the rally (prank), where the boyars are mentioned in a humorous manner. 42nd video clip:
  • Revival
    Revival 11 June 2020 14: 47 New
    +3
    Say it! What about whining?))
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 June 2020 15: 07 New
    -5
    Well it is necessary how it is easy to humiliate and insult you.
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 05: 50 New
    -20
    I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.
    1. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 11 June 2020 06: 24 New
      -35
      This article is a recognition of defeat! I agree - you (I’m the author of the article) lose! I am sure that the People of Russia will vote for amendments to the Constitution, and thereby inflict a devastating blow on Westerners and teachers who want to ruin our State.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 11 June 2020 06: 46 New
        18
        Quote: Valery Valery
        I’m sure the people of Russia will vote for amendments to the Constitution, and thereby

        Sign a death sentence for himself.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 11 June 2020 07: 01 New
          -26
          Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss. Yes, and you look at them.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 11 June 2020 07: 13 New
            +9
            Quote: Ros 56
            Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss. Yes, and you look at them.

            I am very sorry hi but how did your logical thinking rank me as a liberal edrosin? belay
            I will ask you a simple question, describe the political creed of Solovyov-Shapiro.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 11 June 2020 07: 18 New
              -13
              Is always. Of 12 chairs. lol
              Read your post above, this is where about the death sentence and immediately everything will be clear.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 11 June 2020 07: 29 New
                17
                Quote: Ros 56
                Is always. Of 12 chairs. lol
                Read your post above, this is where about the death sentence and immediately everything will be clear.

                I repeat, more than 200 thousand people died in the Russian Federation this year, and you want to get into these statistics? I don’t!
                PS. If I hate this power, it absolutely does not mean that I am a Westerner or a liberoid. hi
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 11 June 2020 07: 32 New
                  -10
                  But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 11 June 2020 07: 44 New
                    11
                    Quote: Ros 56
                    But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?

                    Everything is absolutely comparable with the 2000s and these same 2000s are just a continuation of the 90s, this is ebony Putinism. hi
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 11 June 2020 07: 59 New
                      -9
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Everything is absolutely comparable to 2000 mi

                      Lying.
                      And you yourself are aware that others understand this.
                      Not ashamed?
                    2. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 11 June 2020 12: 35 New
                      -3
                      40-45 million people died in the 90s ... negative
                    3. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 11 June 2020 12: 46 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Tank jacket
                      40-45 million people died in the 90s ...

                      JUMP ????? belay Why not 245 ???
                      According to the latest census, about 146 million people lived in the RSFSR!
                      Then take Rossstat and count. Under half-way, an unnatural population decline + emigration in some years exceeded losses under its boss and was compensated since 2010 due to frantic migration.
                    4. PIT
                      PIT 13 June 2020 11: 25 New
                      +1
                      Of course you know better from zhmerenki .... https://topwar.ru/123480-90-e-stoili-rossii-pochti-10-mln-zhizney-demograficheskoe-issledovanie.html but this is an article from the same site, though then he was already liberally directed ....
                      In general, liberalism should be banned and equated with Nazism .... 10 million is not enough ....
                2. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 11 June 2020 14: 03 New
                  -4
                  What are you so primitive and stupid? Or want to repeat the path of the former USSR? Without Putin would be repeated.
              2. AUL
                AUL 11 June 2020 12: 22 New
                17
                Quote: Ros 56
                But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?

                And in 1861? Still not tired of nodding to the 90s? The current guarantor has been in power for 20 years - this is a huge time for the leader of the country! Compare 45 - 65 years, also 20 years. And now they continue to destroy and plunder what was left from the USSR to the beginning of 2000 and to produce billionaires.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 12: 43 New
                  -16
                  Quote: AUL
                  now they continue to destroy and plunder what remained of the USSR

                  When will you calm down already, accountant? laughing

                  The country works, unlike the same 90s, when everything was standing ... everything was everything, and unlike the 80s, when nobody needed anything (all paths were open for us - we’re equally divided where to go ) ...

                  Open your eyes, look around ... agitanter yes
                2. AUL
                  AUL 11 June 2020 12: 55 New
                  12
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  When will you calm down already, accountant?

                  Rude please, sir? Looks like it hurt my "bookkeeping"! Well, I’ll answer the same to rudeness (I don’t like this, but yes with the boors otherwise):
                  When will you calm down already, general broiler? Save your arrogance unreasonable for something else!
                3. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 13: 00 New
                  -17
                  Quote: AUL
                  Looks like it hurt my "bookkeeping"

                  Rather laugh.

                  Quote: AUL
                  general broiler

                  I am older. And enough for me. Cardboard epaulettes - nothing.

                  Quote: AUL
                  Save your arrogance unreasonable for something else

                  Better on the topic, say a thread ... accountant.

                  - in the eighties, the country stood still, and thought - whether to fall, or well, what for
                  - In the 90s, it fell. And it hurt really
                  - now - revived. And he will live on, with inevitability.

                  Objections, motivated - is there? Accountant? wink
    2. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 12: 06 New
      -5
      Quote: Malyuta
      I strongly apologize for hi, but how did your logical thinking rank me as a liberal squad?

      Both you and they are strongly against power. And you and they do not believe in the justice of the vote, shout about the deception of the people, urge to boycott the vote. Both you and them urgently need to remove the power.
      So where to rank you?
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 June 2020 12: 36 New
        +3
        The post-Soviet period is all over the Kingdom of Curved Mirrors, where everything is perverted, where there is nothing normal. Now, if everything was logical in the USSR — there were opponents and supporters of the existing power and the System, then after the capture of the USSR by its opponents, supporters of the USSR became opponents of the existing power and System, and the same opponents of the USSR, who hated everything Soviet as much as carbon, were equally for The system that they established after the USSR / Russia was captured by them is portrayed among themselves as the “struggle of the Nanai boys." And those opponents of the USSR, who are in power and for power, throw them to the supporters of the USSR "and you are the same as them."
      2. depressant
        depressant 11 June 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        Kart, liberals, having a voice in the official media, put forward our demands there, passing them off as their own, and thereby replace us. After shouting, they in the same media continue to go on a deal with the authorities, spreading their hands. Like, they did their best in the struggle for national happiness, but despite our big names and titanic efforts, alas, it didn’t work out. So, you can continue to not rock the boat. If it didn’t work out with us, you won’t get it all the more. And it worked so far!
  • New
    New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 25 New
    12
    Quote: Ros 56
    Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss

    sick of your wordplay. You do not know who the main liberal of the country? Tired of his upright confession hanging from YouTube
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 12: 08 New
      +1
      You call him the main liberal. Liberals call him a dictator.
      But both of them together want a bloody change of power, urgently.
      We, ordinary citizens, are not very interested in the nuances of your terminology. The main thing for us is what you all want together.
      1. New
        New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Carte
        You call him the main liberal.

        I don’t call him, obviously you didn’t listen to him
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 13: 05 New
      -11
      Quote: Silvestr
      sick of your pun

      And from his - is not sick? Doctor? wink

      Oh yes, I forgot ... mine - it smells like violets laughing
      1. New
        New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        it smells like violets

        in a psychiatric hospital, too, smelled of violets?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 16: 48 New
          -9
          Quote: Silvestr
          in a psychiatric hospital, too, smelled of violets?

          What are you doing there? Have you changed your specialization?
          1. New
            New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            What are you doing there?

            this is for you .Jack, it smelled of violets. You are a specialist in mental hospitals.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Have you changed your specialization?

            The student’s curriculum includes psychiatry
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 17: 19 New
              -8
              Quote: Silvestr
              this is for you .Jack, it smelled of violets. You're a specialist in mental hospitals

              Fi, doctor ... I don’t know what kind of doctor you are, but you are extremely clumsy troll request

              For such cases, there is a good rule - "do not know how - do not handle" wink
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 11 June 2020 06: 48 New
    +2
    Nus will not immediately cause unfortunately, but it will be a step forward. Changes are needed in chapter one, the one that USAID wrote. The adoption of amendments by the people, will make it possible, there will be another vote.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 11 June 2020 08: 31 New
      +5
      Changes are needed in chapter one,

      DO NOT.
      Amendments cannot be introduced in chapters 1,2 and 9.
      Only accept a new one.
      According to Art. 135 chapters 9 of the Constitution.

      Text Art. 135 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the current version for 2020:
      1. The provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised Federal Assembly.

      2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is supported three fifths votes of the total number of members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, then in accordance with federal constitutional law The Constitutional Assembly is convened.

      3. Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or is developing a draft new Of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the votes of the total number of its members or submitted to popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation shall be considered adopted if, for it over half voted voters who participated in the vote, provided that it took more than half participation voters.
      1. helvetic
        helvetic 11 June 2020 15: 38 New
        +2
        The current amendments to the package also could not be introduced. Contributed
    2. Hypatius
      Hypatius 13 June 2020 09: 22 New
      -3
      Yeah, in 1993 I was also waiting for a second vote. He was even promised on TV when they called for the first. Case 1: 1.
      Result? Organization of a new 25 year trust. Only instead of the trust “rf”, the trust “russia”, the emblem has already been changed. Only 50% + is needed, and the 90s will seem like a paradise.
  • Qas
    Qas 11 June 2020 07: 08 New
    17
    Westerners, as you put it, are in the Kremlin and do not console yourself with illusions. And do not speak for all the people. We, living in the Far East, have already expressed our word and did not let go edro. I hope July 01 will also be
    1. letinant
      letinant 11 June 2020 07: 37 New
      -21
      Quote: Qas
      Westerners, as you put it, are in the Kremlin and do not console yourself with illusions. And do not speak for all the people. We, living in the Far East, have already expressed our word and did not let go edro. I hope July 01 will also be

      You are for the Far East, do not open your mouth! Khabarovsk citizen, or what? What didn’t you let there?
      1. Qas
        Qas 11 June 2020 10: 07 New
        +6
        Who are you to tell me what to do?
        1. letinant
          letinant 11 June 2020 11: 06 New
          -11
          Quote: Qas
          Who are you to tell me what to do?

          And who are you to harness for the Far East? Another bot? Born in 2018. You are about the Far East, not in the tooth with a foot. NIFIGA do not know.
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    2. helvetic
      helvetic 11 June 2020 15: 40 New
      +2
      Communists who vote with the liberals and at the same time do not fight the bourgeoisie through expropriation - the lions of the Mosfilm desert)))
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 11 June 2020 07: 11 New
    14
    Quote: Valery Valery
    on Westerners and fidelities
    They are sitting in the Kremlin and the State Duma, didn’t you know?
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 12: 10 New
      -2
      Seriously?
      And we thought that only on the Internet.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 June 2020 08: 11 New
    -7
    Quote: Valery Valery
    This article is a recognition of defeat!

    Rather, an attempt to ascribe more "supporters" to oneself.
    They thus try to write down all those who do not care about the results as opponents of the amendments.

    I officially declare: this is not so. Personally, I am indifferent to the results, and there is no need to cheat with attempts to sign me up as a boycott because of disagreement.

    Otherwise, I’ll go and vote, and I’m for, because I’m sick of lying ....

    Ps Maybe this is what you are achieving?
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 12: 11 New
      -1
      Wow, the mode is insidious.
      But I believe in you.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 11 June 2020 08: 21 New
    20
    Quote: Valery Valery
    This article is a recognition of defeat!

    This article is a statement of fact. The fact that those who disagree with the authorities on any one will be defeated by the vote. Because even if 99% vote against, the result will still be in favor.
    Quote: Valery Valery
    and thereby inflict a crushing blow on the Westerners

    And let me clarify which ones? Is it not by accident that, under pathetic speeches about patriotism, send children to study in Paris, buy up mansions in London and withdraw money to offshore in the Bahamas? Remind about the daughter of Lavrov, well, just an ardent patriot of Russia? Having studied exclusively in the usa and married a bureaucrat from the morgan, they moaned? Or about a no less ardent patriot of a zakharova who publicly crucifies her tender love for New York?
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 12: 13 New
      +1
      Are we forbidden to love another city besides Moscow?
      And yes, why are you not writing about ardent oppositionists about children and real estate abroad?
      And she is, and how.
      These are the very ones who are for everything good.
      1. Revival
        Revival 11 June 2020 15: 21 New
        +2
        "Oppositionists," at least, are not officials fighting the West for "our happiness"
      2. Revival
        Revival 11 June 2020 15: 22 New
        +2
        So why did you jump the daughter of laurel in the comment?
  • depressant
    depressant 11 June 2020 09: 02 New
    +8
    The people may vote in favor, only Westerners and liberals will perceive this not as a crushing blow to them, but as a long-awaited informational occasion for the intensified persecution of the remnants of the Soviet Union in the minds of the population and the economic structure in the form of state property. Champagne uncork! Do not forget, our president is a liberal.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 11 June 2020 12: 29 New
    -4
    I will vote for amendments to the Constitution. The colonial constitution of Gaidar and Chubais, written in Washington, in the trash ...
  • krops777
    krops777 11 June 2020 08: 13 New
    -21
    I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.


    I support, I will also vote for the amendments, liberals and pseudo-communists let them moan further.
    1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 08: 40 New
      -13
      The Communists and the Liberals, it’s the same now. Their main criterion is to outline the pseudo facts in the right direction. You are completely right. I support you.
      1. Kart
        Kart 11 June 2020 12: 18 New
        -2
        This whole army of accusers does not understand a simple thing.
        The time for revolution has not come. The very people for which they are so worried are still quite far from the line when they can take to the streets.
        Even in '98, almost no one came out, and then the country almost died. Why what, even in 91 again few came out.
        Their lamentation about disasters in the information world is easily verified, and as a rule they turn out to be completely untrue.
        As a result, the screams are becoming fiercer, the disbelief of the people more and more. Like in a fairy tale about a boy who loved to shout "wolves!" for any reason.
        The fate of the “red” project to overthrow the government, as well as the “liberal” one, will fail.
        And so it will be if REALLY big problems do not happen.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 10: 15 New
    0
    Similarly. I vote "For" Unlike many, I always go to the polls.
    1. snake
      snake 11 June 2020 12: 13 New
      -2
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Unlike many, I always go to the polls.

      What kind of elections are these if the "many" do not go to them?
    2. Revival
      Revival 11 June 2020 15: 32 New
      +4
      I understand correctly that as soon as they accept, for example, the amendment on children, the next day we will not see more collecting money for the treatment of children, and the state will immediately allocate money?
      Or zilch again?
  • snake
    snake 11 June 2020 12: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: ANDREI MIKHAILOV_2
    I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.

    In vain. Then conscience torment.
    1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 13: 46 New
      -4
      Take care of your conscience; I don’t need my opinion in teachers.
    2. Revival
      Revival 11 June 2020 15: 24 New
      +3
      By definition, conscience cannot torture such
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 June 2020 15: 10 New
    -4
    I will vote for the same - and let all these houses sit with their rightness and long pride.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 June 2020 16: 15 New
    -2
    I will come and vote in favor.
  • prapor55
    prapor55 11 June 2020 06: 43 New
    +5
    I’m also going to vote against - this is just the only legal chance to protest for what this government has been doing since 2018. hi
    1. letinant
      letinant 11 June 2020 07: 39 New
      -7
      Quote: prapor55
      I’m also going to vote against - this is just the only legal chance to protest for what this government has been doing since 2018. hi

      What is power doing? May I have a closer look?
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 11 June 2020 07: 43 New
        +8
        Are you short of taxes or are you happy with the pension reform?
        1. letinant
          letinant 11 June 2020 07: 51 New
          -18
          Quote: prapor55
          Are you short of taxes or are you happy with the pension reform?

          Show me a country where taxes are less. And then you just ruined the air.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 11 June 2020 08: 26 New
            15
            Quote: letinant
            Show me a country where taxes are less.

            USA for example. China, England, France, Germany. Enough? If not, open the list of EU countries and read there. True, a small clarification. There are less taxes for the poor, but more for the rich. However, you are stoking for the right of the oligarchs to eat caviar in barrels, and you hate those who want to limit them to at least buckets. Is not it?
            1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
              ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 08: 38 New
              -1
              Are there less taxes in France, or in England?
              1. bar
                bar 11 June 2020 10: 11 New
                +6
                Are there less taxes in France, or in England?

                He forgot about the races of Monsieur Depardieu with "Russian citizenship" for the sake of tax evasion of 75% in blessed France.
                1. Revival
                  Revival 11 June 2020 15: 27 New
                  +4
                  And Depardieu is precisely the poor citizen he is talking about !?
                  "True, a little clarification. There are less taxes for the poor, but more for the rich."
                  Or are you just distorting intentionally?
              2. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 11 June 2020 10: 23 New
                +9
                Quote: ANDREI MIKHAILOV_2
                Are there less taxes in France, or in England?

                For the poor? Definitely less. In France, with an income of up to 10.000 euros, the tax rate is zero point zero. By the way. 10.000 euros per year is significantly higher than the average RF wage in the Russian Federation. Yeah. But at 150 thousand and above it will be 45%. So yes. Russian tax legislation is one of the most loyal in the world to the rich, and extremely ruthless to the poor.
                1. bar
                  bar 11 June 2020 10: 34 New
                  +5
                  For the poor? Definitely less.

                  Here I agree. Lumpen there generally live in subsidies for generations. But this does not save from pogroms / fires / yellow vests, which these lumpens regularly arrange.
            2. letinant
              letinant 11 June 2020 09: 24 New
              -11
              There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them there is an analogue of our VAT (and the most interesting, it is absent in the legislation but has been collected from all sales since 1911). France, income tax 40% of income, for all salts of the population (and therefore on strike, yellow vests). The situation is approximately the same in Britain, so people save on everything. YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information. It does not color you.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 11 June 2020 10: 32 New
                16
                Quote: letinant
                There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them an analogue of our ND

                Laponka. Do not lie insolently. There is no VAT equivalent in the USA. There is a sales tax. But even if you do not touch that it is, on average, 3.5-4 times lower than our VAT, then ... He also has nothing to do with it. Yeah. Sales tax is local tax, state tax and below. And he is extremely selective. Say in a nude they are not subject to cheap clothes and shoes, but for gold and pants, please be kind to pay 9%. A kind of hello there Abramovich and vrotenberg. In Maryland, buy tax-free potatoes and chicken, at least in the store in the makdak, but in the pathos restaurant, for them, pay 8%. Hello again to the local Sechin and Deripaska.
                Quote: letinant
                France, 40% income tax on income, for all salts of the population

                Laponka. Can i ask you? Mom did not teach you as a child that lying is not good? Or did you simply score on morality? 2 / 3-3 / 4 of the population of France do not pay income at all, or pay 14% against ours 13. And yes. There is a reason for rebellion. And here ... To rant about our good life.
                Quote: letinant
                YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information.

                Laponka. I just scoop up information from normal sources, and not from the delirium of clowns such as sand and * boulin. Which I wish you too. For seeing the world through the lies of the Kremlin bots ... This is sad.
                1. letinant
                  letinant 11 June 2020 11: 03 New
                  -8
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Quote: letinant
                  There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them an analogue of our ND

                  Laponka. Do not lie insolently. There is no VAT equivalent in the USA. There is a sales tax. But even if you do not touch that it is, on average, 3.5-4 times lower than our VAT, then ... He also has nothing to do with it. Yeah. Sales tax is local tax, state tax and below. And he is extremely selective. Say in a nude they are not subject to cheap clothes and shoes, but for gold and pants, please be kind to pay 9%. A kind of hello there Abramovich and vrotenberg. In Maryland, buy tax-free potatoes and chicken, at least in the store in the makdak, but in the pathos restaurant, for them, pay 8%. Hello again to the local Sechin and Deripaska.
                  Quote: letinant
                  France, 40% income tax on income, for all salts of the population

                  Laponka. Can i ask you? Mom did not teach you as a child that lying is not good? Or did you simply score on morality? 2 / 3-3 / 4 of the population of France do not pay income at all, or pay 14% against ours 13. And yes. There is a reason for rebellion. And here ... To rant about our good life.
                  Quote: letinant
                  YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information.

                  Laponka. I just scoop up information from normal sources, and not from the delirium of clowns such as sand and * boulin. Which I wish you too. For seeing the world through the lies of the Kremlin bots ... This is sad.

                  Well then, I will call you, BELL. BELLER, I hope the tax service of these countries is enough. Plus the Fed, plus the IMF. BELL, read, at least in translation, you might become smarter. And then, DZIN, DZIN, DZIN. There is a lot of sound, ZERO sense.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 11 June 2020 15: 35 New
                    +5
                    That is, you have nothing to answer in fact?
                    1. letinant
                      letinant 11 June 2020 16: 05 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Revival
                      That is, you have nothing to answer in fact?

                      I have already answered.
            3. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 11 June 2020 12: 40 New
              0
              And why did Gerarushka Depardieu move to Mordovia and get citizenship ?? Taxes ?? wassat
              1. Avior
                Avior 11 June 2020 13: 51 New
                +3
                Does he pay taxes in Mordovia?
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 12 June 2020 14: 20 New
                  -3
                  Gaidar's Nonstitution in the trash negative
            4. LeonidL
              LeonidL 12 June 2020 06: 06 New
              -1
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              USA for example. China, England, France, Germany.

              They made fun! In the United States, taxes for the middle class were only slightly reduced under Trump, but in addition to the federal tax, there is a state tax, many cities and counties have their own taxes, there is a trade tax different for different states, for example, in Chicago, 10 percent, plus deductions for future social pension and health insurance in the future too, but union members also pay a sickly union contribution ... and federal taxes are also calculated from pensions. Similarly, in other countries.
          2. New
            New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 35 New
            +9
            Quote: letinant
            Show me a country where taxes are less.

            show the country that raised taxes during a pandemic. Except Russia, of course
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 10: 59 New
              +7
              Saudi Arabia
              1. Revival
                Revival 11 June 2020 15: 36 New
                0
                In a good row are Arabs of Zimbabwe and so on.
                Tse achievement!
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 20: 45 New
                  +4
                  Okay, have they raised them in Britain yet, is the row fairly level now?
            2. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
              ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 13: 52 New
              +2
              What is the tax raised in Russia? The so-called social tax was reduced from 31 to 15 percent.
            3. letinant
              letinant 11 June 2020 16: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: letinant
              Show me a country where taxes are less.

              show the country that raised taxes during a pandemic. Except Russia, of course

              What tax was raised in Russia?
              1. New
                New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: letinant
                What tax was raised in Russia?

                on deposits
                1. letinant
                  letinant 12 June 2020 01: 26 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: letinant
                  What tax was raised in Russia?

                  on deposits

                  So this is a tax for the rich! You have a contribution of more than 1 million rubles and from it you receive an annual income of more than 60 thousand rubles. ? Are you almost all here for justice? Or is it just idle chatter?
                2. LeonidL
                  LeonidL 12 June 2020 06: 07 New
                  0
                  They made me laugh, my friend! Here the audience probably doesn’t know such a word!
                3. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 12 June 2020 14: 22 New
                  -2
                  The Constitution of Gaidar Guanno
                4. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 12 June 2020 14: 24 New
                  -3
                  Sylvester, are you Jewish by mother ???
                5. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 12 June 2020 14: 31 New
                  -4
                  Sylvester, and ideologically a Jew? Are we goyim for you? Type worse than animals? Yum-yum like hawai, "tofarisch toktor"
                6. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 12 June 2020 14: 44 New
                  -3
                  Tukhtor, you don’t have enough type of masks ... Bloody red does not give wassat So funny to read your liberoid exhaust
          3. Revival
            Revival 11 June 2020 15: 28 New
            +2
            Show me a country where the rich have a lower tax rate than the poor? (From the same set of countries, not from Africa).
            Or merge?
  • Sayan
    Sayan 11 June 2020 07: 20 New
    +7
    Quote: Far In
    Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the ballot, and even more so sit out at home - play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their phi, falsifying elections (yes any votes) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and the Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...

    The people showed their fi edrosne before the 18th, still in the zero ones, and then they removed the candidate “against all,” and then canceled the minimum turnout percentage
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  • New
    New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Far In
    ... go vote on any need. "Against".

    In the afternoon, accidentally turned on Solovyov, there some expert was crucifying. that the voting anti-agents of America. That is why we must go to vote and it is against. Unless you want to continue the tale for a handful headed by a guarantor.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 June 2020 09: 47 New
      +8
      Dear Sylvester, the rules of the game are such that it does not matter whether you vote for or against. The fact of your arrival means that you are not against zeroing.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 11 June 2020 16: 24 New
        -4
        For example, I really do not mind zeroing. And now what?
        1. New
          New Year day 11 June 2020 16: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Sergej1972
          For example, I really do not mind zeroing

          and I am against
          Quote: Sergej1972
          And now what?
          1. LeonidL
            LeonidL 12 June 2020 06: 09 New
            -2
            Who would doubt that! Go and check the box.
    2. Romey
      Romey 11 June 2020 09: 54 New
      +5
      A colleague, the continuation of the tale is guaranteed by the guarantor. Here the issue of discussion can already be called closed. The voting will end with approximately the same result as the election of 18, regardless of whether we go and vote against or ignore this lawlessness. It is necessary to proceed from this and prepare for future, very unpleasant events: to watch, listen, remember, protect nerves and emotions, do not allow yourself to be disoriented, so that at the time of the collapse of this heinous political system, it’s not those who are slipped into the opposition, but those whom the political situation will put forward in the first roles.
    3. bar
      bar 11 June 2020 10: 16 New
      -9
      In the past accidentally turned on Solovyov

      Mr. Solovyov is no less disgusting to me than you. But I am not going to tear the ballot or vote against the amendments just because of this Jew.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 13 June 2020 04: 00 New
        0
        Quote: bar
        But I am not going to tear the ballot or vote against the amendments just because of this Jew.

        That's right, we need to come and ... to the newsletter. As they are to us, so we must to them
    4. snake
      snake 11 June 2020 11: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Silvestr
      there alone the expert was crucified. that the voting anti-agents of America. That is why we must go to vote and it is against.

      That's the calculation. Do not wash, so skate. Any PR vote is still a PR. Even the protest mood swindlers wrapped themselves to their advantage.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 June 2020 09: 44 New
    +6
    With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution. The very fact that the day is a day off means that in a few years it turns out that the Russians did not accept the amendments, but the new Constitution, the most progressive in the last thousand years.
    1. bar
      bar 11 June 2020 10: 37 New
      +6
      With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution.

      More precisely, when you come to the site, you show that you don’t give a damn about the fate of the country. It is for this reason that I will try to get there.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 June 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Do not give a damn or vote differently or lose.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 11 June 2020 10: 56 New
      -6
      Quote: Gardamir
      With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution

      Not necessarily, but I hope that it will be so.

      Do you know another way to find out the opinion of ALL the people? Of course, there is another, the Maidan, but does it reflect the opinion of the whole people?

      What could be more democratic than asking people what they think about this?

      We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):
      "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, the amendments provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will take effect."

      The last word is ours.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 June 2020 11: 50 New
        +4
        To find out the opinion of the whole nation is to hold a referendum.
        But given the development of brainwashing technology, the result can be arranged as needed, for those who vote.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 11 June 2020 12: 02 New
          -1
          Quote: Gardamir
          the result can be arranged as needed

          Or maybe this while There is nothing bad?

          About the electoral system.

          More precisely about some aspects of this. We all go around, or at least they heard about the elections and what means are spent on controlling this scam at polling stations. So you know how your vote was counted? No, and I don’t know how mine was taken into account. Voting ballots are faceless and as soon as they get into the ballot box they cease to be ours, they become common and you can take off whatever you like. No, not at polling stations, there control is observed. But then, where do they get to and what is done to them - only God knows.

          In our country there are no watered prisoners, no one is being persecuted for political beliefs, there is not any discrimination on the basis of party or non-partisan status - so why is the vote secret? I think that it is beneficial only to those in power - to give slaves the illusion of choice without giving the choice itself.

          This is on the one hand, and on the other.

          Everyone knows that only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker can choose - bakers. It is impossible to entrust the choice of manager to the managerically illiterate people. That is why in our elections there is a competition of figures, and not their programs. People simply are not able to understand what is written there. (mostly secondary education)

          What is the danger of such a situation for society.

          The elite that has usurped the right to govern and for the sake of its further prosperity does not allow anyone from outside, which leads to its degradation, as a result of which the effectiveness of governance and degradation of the whole society as a whole decreases and, ultimately, to the collapse of the state or the violent change of the elite ( revolution).

          And the favorite question of all indifferent citizens to the fate of the motherland is what to do.

          Just as in 1917, the question of general illiteracy was acute, today it is also necessary to raise the question of general managerial illiteracy. Only after that, as the people master the basics of management, it will be possible to introduce personalized ballots with the right to control how everyone’s vote is taken into account at all stages of counting.

          That's where it is so short. And here are a couple of quotes from smart books:

          Koran.
          "Verily, Allah does not change what is with the people, until they themselves change what is with them." (Quran 13:12)

          Bible.
          “... the kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17: 20-21)

          Mraxism.
          "Until the idea has conquered the masses - it is dead."

          COB.
          "Everything happens in the best way consistent with the real morality of all participants in the process."
          1. Gato
            Gato 11 June 2020 18: 27 New
            0
            And here are a couple of quotes from smart books:

            Murphy:
            "Of the available options, the worst is selected."
      2. Revival
        Revival 11 June 2020 15: 39 New
        0
        By analogy, was it embarrassing to introduce turnout conditions in more than 50% of the total number of voters?
  • BAI
    BAI 11 June 2020 10: 35 New
    0
    the only one that is about zeroing.

    There is no adjustment for zeroing. Zeroing is a consequence of constitutional amendments. Since the new Constitution with a new interpretation of the president’s choice (instead of 2 consecutive terms, there will simply be 2 terms) - this means new conditions and you can be elected again.
    All the changes are in removing the word "in a row."
  • Far East
    Far East 11 June 2020 10: 56 New
    +1
    (and especially sit out at home) HARE! just, for a long time from us, NOTHING DEPENDS ON ANYTHING!
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 12 June 2020 06: 12 New
      -1
      It does not depend on you, but much depends on who the leader of the country is!
      1. Far East
        Far East 12 June 2020 06: 26 New
        +1
        (but really, a lot depends on who the Leader of the country is!) And And ???
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 12 June 2020 06: 29 New
          -1
          And what is the alternative to Putin?
          1. Far East
            Far East 12 June 2020 06: 53 New
            -1
            you need to look who will go to this post. I still sympathize with Nikolai Bondarenko.
  • snake
    snake 11 June 2020 11: 31 New
    +8
    Quote: Far In
    Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need.

    Isn’t it yet? Already counted! Uskov has already declared the prevailing share of citizens voting for the amendments. Remained a little - to organize the appearance. Ensure the visible legitimacy of the circus.
    You all understand very well:
    Quote: Far In
    Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris.

    and then:
    Quote: Far In
    True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...

    And after that, do you still think you should go and vote?
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 11 June 2020 12: 44 New
      +1
      Isn’t it yet?

      the number, as it were, to put it mildly, of the "organisms" that do not understand this, is surprising.
  • akunin
    akunin 11 June 2020 14: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Far In
    Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing.

    Dear, if you don’t know, then the 2nd amendment was removed from the voting that deputies and officials cannot have a second citizenship (the main "patriots" tried for themselves). And the article about the protection of animal rights (it was necessary to give the right to vote)?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 June 2020 16: 28 New
      +1
      This amendment has not been removed.
      1. akunin
        akunin 11 June 2020 17: 14 New
        0
        thanks for correcting, hearing but not checking hi
        but a little yadu
        The final draft amendments did not include several prohibitions. One of them is the possession of foreign real estate for deputies, senators and officials, deputy Mikhail Starshinov told 360. The problem is that under the concept of “property abroad” you can bring both a villa in Nice and a small parental house in Ukraine or another former Soviet republic.

        “This is not an apartment in Manhattan, this is a completely different story. I think this is normal. There is something that you can quickly refuse, such as an account not with a foreign, but with a Russian bank. Real estate is a slightly different story on the one hand, and on the other, real estate is different, ”added Starshinov.

        Two other amendments obligated spouses and minor children of deputies to permanently reside in Russia. Here, Starshinov noted, we are talking about rights and freedoms, because of which one cannot limit the desire to move freely around the world.
  • DVR
    DVR 11 June 2020 16: 18 New
    -10
    Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the ballot, and even more so sit out at home - play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their phi, falsifying elections (yes any votes) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and the Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...


    I urge all conscious citizens of our great Motherland not to succumb to provocations, unsubstantiated appeals, cheap battered slogans. We must not allow the disruption of the vote to amend the current version of the Constitution, which was written after the greatest defeat of the USSR since the Great Patriotic War, written at the direction of the winners, curators of the drunken tyrant who then ruled our country. The constitution in that form is a symbol of the final defeat of the USSR, which did not occur in the 91st, in 1993, when, under guarantees of support from the enemy, hundreds of people in the very heart of our Motherland were unceremoniously killed and forgotten. This is an act of surrender of the Soviet Union and Russia.
    Do not listen to all these patriots and communists who are now voting everywhere in abundance, including and on this site. Because they are pseudo-patriots and pseudo-communists. Almost always patriotic pictures on their avatars (not only from them, I don’t generalize), they build from themselves such zealous admirers of the great past. They are always experts in all areas. But you will only dig a little deeper, on the merits of the questions, and not a single meaningful answer. They are not to answer, their task is to pour as much as possible into ears. If you didn’t begin to understand, “shaw” - well done, and asked a question, if you want to figure it out - well, you should spend time, I better pour some more into the ears of others. There are ukrotrolls here, although, surprisingly, they feed from one feeder. I would not say it, but the other day I myself “uncovered” one such one when I wrote a comment mentioning the neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine. And backed up by a couple of strong videos from the 14-15s:
    https://vk.com/video163296047_168410119
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0Z_BomHI25E&feature=emb_title
    Mentioned about the new "Babi Yar" in Odessa. The psyche of the ukrotroll, the "fart in the rose", could not stand it, began to talk about "boyars to drink less," then that it was not neo-Nazism, but maybe "neo-Bolshevism", that maybe the Russians in the Crimea also had someone genocide. That Jews were not burned in Odessa (although, I am sure he understood my analogy). I don’t remember exactly, the essence is clear, the administrator deleted it and all the comments with my answers (although I didn’t throw a complaint - there’s no habit, a couple of times it was for the experiment in justified cases, I wanted to understand how this works here). All in all, an entertaining short conversation. My comments remained only in my profile. And before that, the boy talked harmlessly on the subject of self-propelled guns, in which he was a pro. Well, this is a retreat, there are a dime a dozen, so that it is clear who you are talking to.
    They will never answer you essentially. Why at the end of the 80s they or others like them began to actively tell us that everything in the “scoop” is bad, everything is not like people’s rotting west in chocolate, and there are a hundred varieties of sausages in stores. But in the United States, heaven in general is heaven on earth, and we have the whole history of the USSR - blood, terror, the Gulag, and animals control us, as if there was nothing good (for which so much blood was given). I was ashamed of my country. Many then believed, and we decided to build capitalism with us. The USA became the best friend and helped us in this matter, wrote laws and participated in writing the main one. Got what they got ...
    Why they were silent in the hell of the 90s, they didn’t give a voice, apparently, they enjoyed what was built from their supply. Rejoiced at a new carefree life. Yes, because their master was happy with everything. And suddenly, by the 2010s, life had become so unbearable for them that in the same way they are now telling us that in the USSR there was heaven on earth, justice and prosperity. And 100 varieties of sausages no longer appeal to them. Everyone in poverty is poor, and they say that we have totalitarianism and repression. They speak everywhere and write and do not hide that you really believe that the bloody regime has come ...
    And there are so many billionaires that you can’t count. True, the United States, where they used to call us, is still very far away, there is something to strive for, and we are already being called back. But in terms of income inequality, we are almost equal. They call me back, and they don’t come up with anything new, why? All formulas are already written earlier, simple and ingenious. Well, who did not admire the winged: "Take everything, and divide it."
    I’m really confused which of these patriots are more correct, former or current?
    They still have a couple of cheap tricks in the expectation that a person does not go into details. For example, why vote if everyone considers it right. A person who never went into the work of the electoral system, legislation, especially, who did not participate in this, will easily believe. But this is an unfounded statement. And they absolutely do not want to explain to anyone that it is almost impossible to falsify the elections if representatives of all supposedly "deceived parties" who are members of all election commissions at all levels in all sections of Russia will not participate in the fraud.
    Conclusion: destructive forces, deliberately acting on the destruction of Russia, as well as individuals (passive assets) who unfortunately do not see beyond their nose and do not want to see anything try to disrupt the vote on constitutional amendments.
    I urge everyone to vote. And thanks to our leader for initiating the cancellation.
    act of surrender (and this - oh how not easy), and we have the opportunity to take part in this truly historic event.
    And then he could usurp ... so that little seems!
    I urge everyone to vote for adoption!
    PS: sorry, I can not respond in a timely manner to such powerful article fans. I work, no time all day to sit on the site and comment.
    1. Revival
      Revival 11 June 2020 16: 25 New
      +3
      "... of the Constitution, which was written after the greatest defeat of the USSR since the Great Patriotic War."
      And that in the Great Patriotic USSR also suffered a similar defeat !! ??
      I thought the USSR had the Greatest Victory
      1. DVR
        DVR 11 June 2020 19: 19 New
        +1
        Here "defeat" - refers to the damage caused to our country. In the 90s, the country suffered damage comparable to the damage done to us in the Second World War. I didn’t put it correctly enough, so I explain it.
    2. DVR
      DVR 11 June 2020 16: 33 New
      -3
      All their arguments can be smashed into chips, a couple of patterns, do not "get fooled" by this. Institutions have been working with multimillion-dollar budgets for many years to manage and manipulate society. We have already “led off”, were beskrebryaki, almost lost everything. "Do not believe these dogs, they will make you laugh just to pull out your golden teeth." (with)
  • Errr
    Errr 11 June 2020 04: 54 New
    11
    Non rex est lex, sed lex est rex.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 11 June 2020 04: 57 New
    11
    it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 11 June 2020 05: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.

      Let me join you.
      1. bar
        bar 11 June 2020 10: 38 New
        -3
        Will you twirl together? I would like to look at this circus number laughing
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 11 June 2020 05: 47 New
      -2
      Grandfather - you don’t come, and your vote will automatically be counted “for”! Go and honestly write in the newsletter that you wanted to turn this farce, write that you are against, write it in capital letters, but it’s enough to be amorphous creatures for which everything is decided by the authorities ! It would be time for her all to be totally and at peace! The country needs a strong hand, the government must have a silovik, a patriot of Russia, energetic and decisive, master of the word, not a promise, changing decisions five times a day!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 11 June 2020 05: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Grandfather - you don’t come, and your vote will automatically be counted “for”! Go and honestly write in the newsletter that you wanted to turn this farce, write that you are against, write it in capital letters, but it’s enough to be amorphous creatures for which everything is decided by the authorities ! It would be time for her all to be totally and at peace! The country needs a strong hand, the government must have a silovik, a patriot of Russia, energetic and decisive, master of the word, not a promise, changing decisions five times a day!

        no matter what they write, in any letters, everything is ALREADY already done as NECESSARY IM. Change everything, the papers cannot. so the farce remains a farce, and I will not go in the herd.
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 11 June 2020 06: 49 New
          -4
          The turnout percentage has long been canceled, and even if ONE person comes, he will vote, and he will definitely vote. The decision will be made. If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends. hi
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 11 June 2020 07: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: prapor55
            . If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends.

            This "power", on the contrary, does everything so that we come and vote in favor.
            I don’t want to confront those who are boycotting and those who are against, but those who are for exactly from another trench.
            1. New
              New Year day 11 June 2020 09: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Malyuta
              so we come and vote in favor.

              and Platoshkin is judged precisely for having come and said "No"
              1. AK1972
                AK1972 11 June 2020 10: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                and Platoshkin is judged precisely for having come and said "No"

                Dear Sylvester! Do you really think that if Platoshkin called for a boycott of the election, he would not have been closed? They would have closed it for sure, only not at home, but in a pre-trial detention center.
            2. snake
              snake 11 June 2020 11: 39 New
              -3
              Quote: Malyuta
              but those who are for sure from another trench.

              Those who are for and those who are against - they all pour water on the usurpation mill.
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 11 June 2020 07: 43 New
            +8
            Quote: prapor55
            The turnout percentage has long been canceled, and even if ONE person comes, he will vote, and he will definitely vote. The decision will be made. If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends. hi

            hell with two she recommends this! She REQUESTS. my budgetary wife, has already received an order, to come to the vote and bring two people with her, and they’re the same, respectively! (how do you like that?) I need a turnout, so I’ll go to hell.
            1. Igoresha
              Igoresha 11 June 2020 12: 46 New
              -4
              Quote: Dead Day
              REQUEST IS NEEDED

              I was surprised at such agility of power, and why? show the heels of polling stations in a zomboyaschik where the crowded people aren’t quite a problem, but you’re accomplished. involve an admin resource, scorch how much in vain national money
            2. Revival
              Revival 11 June 2020 16: 26 New
              +1
              Will the wife go?
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 11 June 2020 09: 50 New
            +3
            The authorities recommend coming.
          4. snake
            snake 11 June 2020 11: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: prapor55
            stay at home as recommended by this authority.

            This is where is the power recommended? On the contrary, they use the most heinous methods to attract people to vote. Including videos about gays and other nonsense. Even the veteran was dragged into his campaign.
        2. AUL
          AUL 11 June 2020 12: 36 New
          -4
          Quote: Dead Day
          so that the farce remains a farce, and I will not go in herd.

          So just the herd will not go to vote - he either doesn’t care, or just laziness. And if you think that someone else will come for you and cheat, and you just look from the side, you won’t get any results! A rolling stone gathers no moss!
          IM need a turnout, so why the hell with two I'll go.
          Why the hell is this turnout? So as not to lose face in front of abroad, or what? Yes, they spat on it! Oh how disgraced with zeroing and with all this vote, and now fight for the turnout? Not serious!
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 11 June 2020 12: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: AUL
            Yes, they spat on it! Oh how disgraced with zeroing and with all this vote, and now fight for the turnout? Not serious!

            Comrade, your judgment is very controversial, they really need it, otherwise they would not invite us from every iron.
            Quote: AUL
            And if you think that someone else will come for you and cheat, and you just look from the side, you won’t get any results! A rolling stone gathers no moss!

            Why do you deny an active boycott? For example, with the same registrars? Strictly speaking, if siu were a fighter, it would be difficult to think of festivities better than on election day.
            Threat. The most important thing is that those who disagree cannot develop clear tactics. I respect your position. hi
      2. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 11 June 2020 07: 51 New
        -12
        neither you nor he will write such a thing in the newsletter ... courage is not enough ... you are only in the comments of the wrestlers and in the kitchens
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 11 June 2020 09: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          neither you nor he will write such a thing in the newsletter ... courage is not enough ... you are only in the comments of the wrestlers and in the kitchens

          Good. What are we arguing about?
        2. AK1972
          AK1972 11 June 2020 11: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          Well, you only in the comments of the wrestlers but in the kitchens

          It is possible, however, for example, only one thing justifies me - I do not get a bribe for pro-government comments, like some wrestlers - "statesmen are illiberoids." Or maybe you are organizing coordinated demonstrations in support of Vladimir I the Zero, so firstly you don’t need much courage, and secondly you are the same kitchen fighter as I am, with one exception - I don’t know what you're talking about indulge in the kitchen.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 11 June 2020 09: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Grandfather, you don’t come, and your vote will automatically be counted as “for”!

        This vote does not solve anything. Absolutely. And on the opinion of the majority, the government has long laid its own. So in the coffin I saw this show.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 11 June 2020 13: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          This vote does not solve anything. Absolutely. And on the opinion of the majority, the government has long laid its own. So in the coffin I saw this show.

      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 June 2020 09: 56 New
        +6
        Mr. Thrifty, we have already passed this. At first we were told for a long time that socialism is bad, that communists are enemies. In short, vote or lose.
        Zeroing, mask parade, second wave, I do not like it.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 11 June 2020 06: 02 New
      +7
      By force, not by force, but the case of Platoshkin N.N., a scientist, diplomat, leader of the For New Socialism movement, who was prosecuted and placed under house arrest for reflections on whether to go vote, suggests other thoughts. It seems that talking about it is dangerous now. Now they slip us a car accident, committed by drunken, of which hundreds a day in the country. But there is an actor, and here is a politician.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 11: 04 New
        -4
        "Now they slip us a car accident, committed by drunkenness, of which hundreds a day in the country. But there is an actor, and here is a politician.
        Who palms her in, and why?
        P. S. Platoshkin is an ordinary populist and fishing is empty, besides he is constantly lying!
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 12: 46 New
        -1
        https://youtu.be/Vftf3-C6e28

        In order not to be unfounded.
        1. Revival
          Revival 11 June 2020 16: 30 New
          +1
          Referring to the "node", well, this bottom is just
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 June 2020 20: 56 New
            +3
            It’s violet on my node, the bottom is to believe Platoshkin who lies through the word.
            They analyze his lies in the video, in fact, can you, in turn, also prove by numbers where this (tired optimist) blogger is cheating?
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 June 2020 06: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that they don’t drag by force

      These things are just around the corner. It will be necessary and will be brought / brought by force.
    5. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 11 June 2020 06: 56 New
      -5
      Everything has its time...
    6. snake
      snake 11 June 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.

      So far, any unconscious is still enough not to drag. Here in VO even comrades seemingly adequate in appearance recommend going ...
    7. akunin
      akunin 11 June 2020 17: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      I spit this farce.

      then the nightingale suggested (a political scientist) to write an appeal to the Central Election Commission (for all who wouldn’t go) that I wouldn’t go to vote and ask my voice not to take into account and indicate the reason
      I spit this farce.
      it is possible to describe the center around which circular motion is carried out. laughing
    8. kig
      kig 14 June 2020 01: 58 New
      0
      But in many countries, through and through democracies, such as Australia, Belgium or Luxembourg, they are fined for not appearing to vote and can even be put in jail. So our democrats still have to study and study.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 June 2020 04: 59 New
    +8
    Novel! Is it worth discussing the legitimacy-illegality of the vote, which from a legal point of view does not change the adopted amendments and does not have the status of a referendum, the decision of which is mandatory (or not quite, as in the case of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR) to be implemented.
    In our case, you need to come to the site so that there is no remorse, and express your own decision, whatever it may be.
    1. My address
      My address 11 June 2020 05: 35 New
      +6
      I agree with you, Yuri.
      The novel elucidated the problem from a new perspective, but do not come to give it a reason to say that people agree. And Churchill was right: "Poor power is chosen by people who do not go to the polls"
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 11 June 2020 06: 16 New
        22
        Quote: My address
        And Churchill was right: "Poor power is chosen by people who do not go to the polls"

        Churchill brazenly lied. Whatever people walked, power always remained with the big bourgeoisie.
        1. alekSASHKA-36
          alekSASHKA-36 11 June 2020 09: 17 New
          +3
          If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to go there!
          1. SVD68
            SVD68 11 June 2020 15: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: alekSASHKA-36
            If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to go there!

            Yes, we were not allowed to vote on pension "reform".
            1. kig
              kig 14 June 2020 01: 59 New
              0
              Was there such a vote?
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 11 June 2020 08: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: My address
        And Churchill was right: "Poor power is chosen by people who do not go to the polls"
        so this vote on amendments was not spelled out in the Constitution, unlike elections. By participating in them, you acknowledge them
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 June 2020 10: 01 New
        +8
        Quote: My address
        I agree with you, Yuri.
        The novel elucidated the problem from a new perspective, but do not come to give it a reason to say that people agree. And Churchill was right: "Poor power is chosen by people who do not go to the polls"

        Much has changed since Churchill. Now those who walk, by their coming they say we believe you
    2. SVD68
      SVD68 11 June 2020 06: 28 New
      10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Is it worth discussing the legitimacy-illegality of the vote, which from the legal point of view does not change the adopted amendments and does not have the status of a referendum, the decision of which is mandatory (or not entirely, as in the case of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR) to be implemented.

      The fact of the matter is that voting does not change the rule of law. It changes people's attitudes to these laws. Having come to a vote, you agreed for yourself that these laws are legal.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      In our case, you need to come to the site so that there is no remorse, and express your own decision, whatever it may be.

      That's the way about conscience. The choice of what is offered? Voting FOR is understandable. But the vote AGAINST ... after all, in fact, this vote is also FOR, only for the Yeltsin constitution. The choice between the Yeltsin constitution and the retouched Yeltsin. What conscience to choose if conscience is against any version of the Yeltsin constitution?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 June 2020 07: 04 New
        +2
        The ebn constitution is an absolute evil for Russia, the mere fact that the founding chapter was first written in the USA by USAID and all other chapters and articles of the constitution cannot contradict it speaks volumes. It’s about the same as if Hitler’s Germany wrote a constitution for the USSR.
        We must vote on this, this is the first step towards changing things.
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 June 2020 09: 26 New
          11
          German 4223, the Yeltsin’s constitution has already been changed without our consent - is it evil or not evil. Unfortunately, the Constitution in a new style is not even a substitute for sewn soap. The new constitution exacerbates evil. Take, for example, the provision on the priority of Russian laws over international ones. The 2006 UN Convention on Corruption has not been ratified by our legislators. Who bothered? The desire to harness more with impunity without being punished? Indeed, ratification implies a review of the entire body of laws existing in the country for the corruption component, and therefore, the maximum possible elimination of corruption as a phenomenon. Not ratified! On the contrary, the adoption of the priority amendment aggravated, intensified the corruption background of our life, gave it a legitimate look.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 11 June 2020 10: 35 New
            -1
            The priority of international law is evil. For example, raising the retirement age by decision of the IMF, or VAT.
            The decisions of international UN agencies are written into our legal system without any ratification. It is not always required at all (ratification).
            1. depressant
              depressant 11 June 2020 11: 30 New
              +6
              German 4223, firstly, we owe nothing to the IMF, the debt to this organization has long been paid off. Secondly, the IMF could not legislatively force the Russian government to carry out pension reform and increase VAT. The IMF can only RECOMMEND to do this or that, but, I repeat, can not force! Compliance with IMF recommendations is voluntary. Because these are not international laws, but just - again! - recommendations. But the Medvedev government, shamefully betraying the interests of the people of his country, turned the IMF recommendations into domestic laws of Russia, and the president even more shamefully and insultingly justified the betrayal of the interests of the people in his speech on TV. So why did he do this?!? In particular, because under Medvedev’s incapacitated government, leading the country along the development path is enough to fill the National Welfare Fund so that from there, again on the recommendation of the IMF, you can take money - a paradox! - for development. And Putin had no choice but to squeeze the population dry. That is, in order to develop national projects, you need to be at the beck and call of the IMF, read the US Federal Reserve?!? Guilty! And he suffered the worthless, mediocre Medvedev - guilty!
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 11 June 2020 13: 21 New
                -2
                Call it at least a recommendation at least a piece of advice. The IMF is an international institution, and its recommendation is the decision of this institution. According to article 15, paragraph 4 of the constitution, universally recognized principles and norms of international law are part of our legal system.
                By decision of the Supreme Court, the meaning and content of universally recognized norms is disclosed in decisions of international UN agencies. That is, the meaning and content of our legal system is not determined by us. Our laws are only accepted and no more. What they will be washed away is not determined by us.
          2. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 11 June 2020 10: 45 New
            -5
            One more thing, you can change everything in the constitution except for chapters 1 and 2.
            There are no changes.
            1. Revival
              Revival 11 June 2020 22: 51 New
              +1
              You apparently do not understand international law at all.
              That is, the IMF will tell us to remove the Strategic Rocket Forces in three days and we will carry out? So your way?
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 12 June 2020 06: 47 New
                -2
                The IMF gives directions of an economic nature, it will not be able to remove the Strategic Missile Forces, and it is easy to give recommendations on reducing military spending.
                No state-of-the-art equipment will be massively deployed in our troops until this state of affairs changes.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 11 June 2020 10: 03 New
          +4
          You know all about the chapters. So who wrote the chapters of this constitution?
        3. AUL
          AUL 11 June 2020 13: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Herman 4223
          We must vote on this, this is the first step towards changing things.

          Unfortunately, the proposed amendments do not improve the rotten Yeltsin constitution in any way. All of them are purely declarative in nature and absolutely do not change anything. But here is one correction is clearly reactionary in nature - zeroing. Moreover, an amendment is made for one very specific person, which is a most dangerous precedent! Because of this alone, I consider it necessary to go and vote against! When "the people are silent," this provokes power to even greater dirty tricks.
    3. for
      for 11 June 2020 07: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: ROSS 42
      legitimacy-illegality of voting,

      By going to the HEADING, you thereby agree with legitimacy and legitimacy.
      Vote, otherwise you’ve already lost. Although the threshold was canceled, they still really need mass.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 June 2020 09: 54 New
        +2
        I express my opinion, and do not allow this to be done for myself.
        If you don’t go then the decision will still be made, only without your participation and without taking your opinion into account. Silent means consent.
        1. for
          for 11 June 2020 15: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Herman 4223
          I do not allow this to be done for myself.

          And your opinion does not interest them, if only your opinion coincides with theirs.
          And the decision will be made, or rather, already taken, regardless of your opinions.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 05: 02 New
    -10
    I love to read comments on such topics))))))
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 11 June 2020 05: 14 New
    11
    Already today (not entirely clear though based on what), but it was stated that from 60 to 65 percent of voters would come to vote.

    Just understand. The commander said: "Ferret!" And no gophers.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 05: 56 New
      -1
      I will express honestly my attitude to the matter. I understand that I will go against so many who have already written here. BUT, after all, this is a forum, right? Before B and Tereshkova’s speech, my attitude to the plebiscite was neutral. He approved of something, laughed at something. In fact, to legitimize annual allowances to pensioners is a sacred thing. But it is well known that any virgin cannot give more than she has. Since the value of indexation is not specified, the state can be declared: "No, they say, in the treasury of gold reserves." Therefore, accept, dear pensioners, according to the constitution, indexing 50 p. Oh well let them play their games, I thought. But after her performance, my attitude to the whole undertaking became sharply negative. And not even on the merits of the extension of slavery in the galleys. And in a boorish form. It’s like in Soviet times. There was an order table at the factory. Typical order; 1 kg of scarce buckwheat, a jar of mayonnaise (it may come in handy) and another jar of seaweed, which alone filled the shelves of stores. And they took it. The whole undertaking with Tereshkova was undertaken much ahead of time. Until 2024, another 4 years. Suppose in 2024 an adversary attacked Russia in one way or another. There was a risk of weakening in the transfer of power. Yes, then people would understand.
      But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman and Co. and Ekho Moskvy were generally worse than the authorities. They are enemies. As a historical example. The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have an insult to power. Will I side with the fascists? And liberals are enemies. Therefore, I will come and vote "For." Now minus.
      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 05: 59 New
        +1
        You have your opinion, I’m ready to support you, good
      2. mark1
        mark1 11 June 2020 06: 30 New
        -7
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The whole undertaking with Tereshkova was undertaken much ahead of time.

        I agree - but not because of the "stupidity" of power, but precisely from a great mind and treachery. It is very clearly seen that Putin is “felled” by bringing him under not popular measures (such as pension reform) and not timely decisions, sometimes they simply misinform in small things, so that more accurate and truthful information is noted against this background ... and this is very bad, because it shows that BB is losing his grip and scent and is underway. Therefore, I can’t vote FOR (if I fix it, I’ll be), but I don’t want to be a member of the “herd” that every proxy uses so I won’t vote AGAINST. I will be home.
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 08: 08 New
          0
          mark1. I liked your comment, it has no emotions and there are no shots from the "crooked gun" from the camp of the negatives. The fact that Putin "lost his nose" absolutely agree. In some ways, he became in his own way similar to the late Brezhnev. He played the orders, and this one plays the wise, but strict boss, caring grandfather in conversations with the governors who understand the game and talk about how many kindergartens they built in the province. And he answered them sternly - we need to build more. The fundamental question that you mentioned is who brings down! Frankly, I don’t know who, if it brings down a circle of patriots who want Russia well, this is one thing. And if it’s different, then God save. Therefore, I am afraid that the repetition of the nineties will come when the controller dropped me off a tram in Russia and abroad in my narrow area of ​​the person, because I had nothing to pay. Yes, even sentenced. that you need to get a job where money is paid. Is it in the stall or something? But I’m incapable of trading, I would be fooled there. That's what I'm afraid of. Therefore, even so. By the way, I can’t say that now they have coped with an unexpected misfortune. They'll run into me with examples. And could someone better? Because the size of the disaster was unexpected - this has not happened before in modern times.
          1. mark1
            mark1 11 June 2020 08: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            who brings down! Frankly, I don’t know who if knocks

            So I don’t know, but indirect participation with incomprehensible goals ... I do not want the return of the 90s, the poverty of the population and the humiliation of the people and the country
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 June 2020 06: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Since the value of indexation is not specified, the state can be declared: "No, they say, in the treasury of gold reserves."

        Where did he go? belay

        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman and Co. and Ekho Moskvy were generally worse than the authorities.

        But doesn’t it bother you that these cries of the liberals from Echo of Moscow, the activities of Gozman and other political scientists from the central TV channels are subsidized from the budget?
        I will tell you a terrible secret: the Communist Party also receives from the treasury. yes
        Now answer, our smart man, will the dog bite the hands that feed it?
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have an insult to power. Will I side with the fascists? And liberals are enemies.

        When the Nazis attacked the country, the political officers, going on the attack, shouted: “For the Motherland! For Stalin!" Will people start shouting today: “For the Motherland! For Putin! "??? By the way, who are the liberal enemies? Just don’t list me the names of the fifth column that settled in the country with the permission of the authorities ... Just go to the Chechen Republic and try to express insults to the head of the republic in a public place ... As they say, feel the difference.
        And everyone is free to vote as his CONSCIENCE or the size of the bank account tells him ...
        hi
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 11 June 2020 06: 56 New
          +4
          I will tell you a terrible secret: the Communist Party also receives from the treasury. yes
          Speaking of ,, birds ,, that is, about the court ,, commie ,, Zyuganov. The Communist Party was criticized by everyone who was not lazy for the lack of a clear position on the topic, and here it happened, in the sense they were allowed to “decide” - the other day Zyuganov said that the Communist Party calls on,vote against the amendments. That is, the authorities really need it attendance and everything else is from the evil one. Or from crafty E .. wink So draw conclusions. hi
          ................................................... ................................................... ................................................
          The author of the article is a fat plus!
        2. krops777
          krops777 11 June 2020 08: 21 New
          -4
          will the dog bite the hands that feed it?


          Still, Ukraine is an example for you, or is it a special case?
        3. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 08: 27 New
          0
          Yuri Vasilievich. As for the gold reserve - to have and spend, therefore, to lose, to have and to hide and not to have at all are two different things. As for the affiliation of opposition structures with the government - so who argues! The Kremlin has many towers. In addition, let’s say, Putin himself carefully preserves through and through the corrupt and corrupt Yeltsin family. But there is a rule - for lack of stamp I write in simple. And if someone does not write, because he is sick, then others will write for him. As for my bank account - I won’t tell you the numbers, but I assure you - nothing interesting or shocking.
          1. AK1972
            AK1972 11 June 2020 11: 16 New
            0
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            But there is a rule - for lack of stamp I write in simple.

            There is one more rule: For lack of a maid they have a janitor. Are you tired of replacing the maid?
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 12: 15 New
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              Alexei! Rude, oh well. It is one thing to have a janitor, if the janitor wants it, another thing to marry a janitor. We are not used to it yet. Alas. But time is running forward, and the constitution will not hurt. God forbid, not the last.
              1. AK1972
                AK1972 11 June 2020 13: 07 New
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                Michael! Rude and had no thoughts, if by chance upset, please excuse me. But they don’t ask the janitor if he wants to or not, but like you and I. Above about the crow and the fox was. Simple and very clear. I’ll give you one more analogy if you play preference, you’ll understand. This is a “vote” like “Stalingrad” in this beautiful game. When playing 6 peak mandatory mutual whist. The story is: "They don’t ask you, they have you." Of course, this is a censorship option.
                1. mikh-korsakov
                  mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 14: 21 New
                  +3
                  Alexei! He played the Leningrad, but a very long time. Mandatory whist at 6 peak I remember. But “Stalingrad” is, apparently, an innovation for me? This is when the minuscule is caught? But I am worried about the situation of Putin’s possible resignation in the event of a negative result on a plebiscite. This will open such Overton windows that it will not seem enough. I do not accept the arguments of the members of the forum that in which case the CEC will draw. Experienced and well-informed people sit there, and if they suspect a fiasco, they will run like rats. The dissolution of the CPSU is an example of this.
                  1. AK1972
                    AK1972 11 June 2020 15: 13 New
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                    No, dear Michael. Among experienced preference players, when the trade stopped at six spades, the player took a buyback and does not want to raise the game (for example, declare 6 clubs), he does not say 6 spades, but says - Stalingrad. At the same time, partners want to whist or not, they must whist, and once they whist together, then naturally the game goes into the dark “standing”, which creates problems, because they do not see each other's cards, nevertheless they are obliged to take 4 tricks for two. This bike came out of here, which, by the way, is a lot in preference. Regarding the Overton windows, I understand you, but I think that these windows will open even wider if the president becomes life-long. It is enough to recall Brezhnev, the time of the end of his reign. I just felt sorry for this tired, sick person, no longer able to think critically. He could no longer lead, so the ball was ruled by a camarilla, gnawing at briefcases. Further to death sick Andropov, Chernenko. And then bam !!! young, energetic Gorbachev - speaks without a piece of paper. And after all, the people at first accepted it with enthusiasm, but in the end they got what we have. Putin is neither young nor eternal. Not afraid of repeating the story?
                    1. AK1972
                      AK1972 11 June 2020 15: 24 New
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                      There is a joke about the minuscule. Two preference players are burying the third, who died of a heart attack, which happened to him when he took 6 bribes on a miserable tree under a triple Christmas tree. One says to the other: “And they would have gone in a pick, would have taken 7”. The second thought and answered: "Come on, and so not bad."
                      1. mikh-korsakov
                        mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 18: 23 New
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                        Alexei! That we are all about Putin, but about Putin. Let's talk about the pleasant. In my company, a game of 6 spades was called Obligation. Joke. The court is hearing the murder of the pre-transist.
                        Judge: - "Defendant, tell me how it was."
                        Defendant: "I am in rebuke and a dead man in spades, I am in spades and a dead man in spades."
                        Judge: "So you have to candelabra on the head for that!"
                        Defendant: "Well, I mean the same thing."
                    2. mikh-korsakov
                      mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 16: 00 New
                      +1
                      Alexei! I'm afraid And already I see signs of late Brezhnev! These endless games of the good grandfather, meetings with governors who are already well versed in the situation and cheerfully reporting on how many kindergartens have been built in their province and much more. It is a matter of choosing between bad and very bad. The choice is unpleasant, but que faire! So I read the comments of members of the forum on an article that agrees in a convincing style not to vote for amendments. Mostly forum users supported him. But this is no social cut. So the probability of failure cannot be discounted. I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin’s immediate resignation due to loss of authority. And then whoever dines with the girl dances, because there is no real Russian political force capable of replacement, and it is impossible to seriously consider our opposition, even if it’s systemic or even unsystematic. It is clear who exactly is having dinner - the one who has plenty of money and a desire to finish off Russia is also full, so that for sure
                      1. SVD68
                        SVD68 12 June 2020 07: 28 New
                        -2
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        . I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin's immediate resignation due to loss of authority

                        The authority is not lost as a result of the failure of the plebiscite.
                        Putin himself exchanged his authority for the deprivation of pensions for 5 years.
                        And amendments to the Constitution and a plebiscite is an attempt to trick public attention away from the pension "reform." And to introduce a moral attitude in the voters: the pension "reform" is less significant than other actions of Putin.
                      2. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 13 June 2020 10: 04 New
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                        I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin's immediate resignation due to loss of authority
                        Everything will be much worse for the top leadership. Up to 64 tbsp. Criminal Code of the USSR. Now the situation is 1 in 1, as in 1993. 50% + turnout, and we have a new project. Draft charter of a new 25 year trust. The 1993 trust has ended and the balance has been drawn over the year. If there is no new trust, then property with a profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions are required. The USSR is alive de jure, the Constitution of 1977 has not been canceled, we did not leave the citizenship of the USSR.
                        On the other hand, the “government of the Russian Federation” re-registered the legal entity as “the government of Russia” with a change of coat of arms. He conducts rabid propaganda with a bunch of lies and bots. For a herd of sheep there are provocateurs (Zu, Platoshkin ..). Many will come to this plebeysit in order to subscribe that they are the physical person (plebeians) of the new legal entity, the trust.
                        PS I want a miracle, so that the turnout does not reach 50%!
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 10: 23 New
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                        Quote: Hypatius
                        De jure the USSR is alive ...

                        I personally know (knew, more precisely, during their lifetime) a couple of people who are now deceased. De jure, they are also still alive, oddly enough. Doesn’t resemble anything?

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Nobody repealed the 1977 Constitution

                        Adoption of the new Constitution does not cancel the previous? Um ... even though I’ve never been a lawyer, but it seems strange to me: the Constitution, by definition, is the Basic Law of the State. There can be no more than one Basic Law in the State request

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        property with profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions required

                        A beautiful fairy tale, I want to believe it already ... the mechanism of "return" - do not explain? And at the same time - to whom exactly what exactly will return?

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        rabid propaganda with a bunch of lies and bots. For a herd of sheep there are provocateurs ... Many will come to this plebeisyt ...

                        Eco flatters you, my friend ... nice to the eye yes
                      4. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 13 June 2020 11: 29 New
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                        Adoption of the new Constitution does not cancel the previous?

                        1. Adoption of the new Constitution is carried out by more than 2/3 of the votes of the Constitutional Assembly or referendum (see primary sources and international law).
                        2. In 1993 we had the first (and only) round of "nationwide discussion of the draft constitution" with 50% of the 50% turnout.
                        3. The original Design Project of the Russian Federation with the signature of the President of the RSFSR, removed from office, nowhere!
                        4. Citizens of the USSR-RSFSR cannot vote for the constitution of another country that does not exist.
                        Now we have a transition from 19 to 20 edition of the unaccepted Project. Although, rather, this is the new Charter of the trust. Therefore, a repeat of the plebeians.
                        Well-known and easily verifiable facts, the trolls cause inexplicable excitement.
                        Eco flatters you, my friend ... nice to the eye yes
                      5. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 11: 50 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Well-known and easily verifiable facts, the trolls cause inexplicable excitement

                        You answered your own question:

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Am I a troll too?

                        And they answered in the affirmative yes

                        Your mention of the term

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        international law

                        only once again confirms your answer.
                      6. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 13 June 2020 12: 03 New
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                        And my opinion is that trolls do not lead facts and figures to the basis of personal opinion. But they require them from others. After an evident and logical victory over the troll, he goes to flood or irrelevant particulars. We do not see ourselves in the mirror?
                        If, you are the master of trolls, consider me a small trolley, then why are you constantly sticking to comments addressed not to you. I would be grateful if you stop noticing me. Simply, a pity of his time for meaningless tumbling, and proof of generally available facts.
                      7. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 12: 16 New
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                        Quote: Hypatius
                        pity of his time for meaningless tumbling, and proof of publicly available facts

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Now the situation is 1 in 1, as in 1993. 50% + turnout, and we have a new project. Draft charter of a new 25 year trust. The 1993 trust has ended and the balance has been drawn over the year. If there is no new trust, then property with a profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions are required. The USSR is alive de jure, the Constitution of 1977 has not been canceled, we did not leave the citizenship of the USSR

                        If you consider this nonsense to be "publicly available facts", then we will not succeed in constructive conversation with you.

                        Give Lushna a reference to places where such thoughts are recruited, not you yourself came up with all this wink

                        And there, I see, I will also believe, and I will replenish the rare ranks of your supporters ... but, right away, I honestly warn you - it is very unlikely yes
                      8. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 13 June 2020 13: 48 New
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                        Your mention of the term

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        international law

                        only once again confirms your answer.
                        Mention of a concept, including Human Rights, signed by the USSR. says that I am a Man. And not an animal that needs only a lash and the opinion of the owner. Dictatorship can be loved by inferior people.
                        Give Lushna a reference to the places where such thoughts are typed, not you yourself came up with it all wink
                        Once again, for the gifted. I am a person, and I can draw conclusions based on facts and processes. This, you trolls need a training manual in order to draw "wisdom".
                        If you consider this nonsense to be "publicly available facts", then we will not succeed in constructive conversation with you.
                        1.Bred is shkolota’s favorite argument that has not yet passed the exam (overestimated the troll qualification, or underestimated senile dementia). 2. But try to make an appointment with Sylvester, it will suddenly help ....... But I warn you - the odds are scanty , to return to human consciousness and communication.
                      9. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 14: 30 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Mention of a concept, including Human Rights, signed by the USSR. says that I am a Man

                        Stop, buddy. This is exactly about the "international law you mentioned"". This in itself is a bad marker, but it’s not from that now: where would you look at this“ legislation ”, would you tell me? wink

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        I am a person, and I can draw conclusions based on facts and processes.

                        Humans tend to make mistakes. Here you are, for example - you are mistaken in your, ahem, writing. But this, by the way, is not a reason to proudly call himself a "man" - a man, except for being mistaken, much is still peculiar ...

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Bullshit - shkolota’s favorite argument, not yet passed the exam

                        Defining something as "delirium" is not an argument. This is a statement of fact. You messed up everything again. Buddy yes
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 11 June 2020 14: 52 New
    +1
    But if the janitor is a beautiful girl and she cooks deliciously, then why not get married?
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    The fact of the matter is that these words were shouted only by political instructors - they were supposed to rely on this by post. According to the memoirs of veterans, the infantry went on the attack with other words, for which they banyat on this site.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 11 June 2020 06: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have an insult to power. Will I side with the fascists? And liberals are enemies. Therefore, I will come and vote "For." Now minus.

    I am very sorry hi , but why did you write so many bukaf, although all your thought is expressed in the last paragraph?
    Already this year, the negative population growth is more than 200 thousand of our fellow citizens, so-so almost a regional town, right?
    Over 20 years, more than 70 thousand plants and factories have been destroyed, and someone is trying to revive something?
    Threat. The maskha’s ear is funded by the gazprem- "public domain" and Gozmann, an appointed oppositionist, you will find his pictures with the chief supervisor in the public domain.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 June 2020 11: 00 New
      0
      Malyuta. Hey. Not that who appointed whom. We speculate. Let it be your way and the people will vote against the amendments. It’s clear that Putin in this case will not remain president, simply because no one in his circle will listen to him, but they will begin to work out both the bickering and the withdrawal. Putin will resign. Two options are possible further. The first under the constitution of the ARIO becomes Mishustin or Putin as Yeltsin at one time says on TV “peasants” and appoints a successor. In both cases, a bickering at the top of the chair will begin. Who will win? The one whose personality will be presented to the people of the media in the most favorable light will win. Who will the media be drowned for? The answer is clear, for someone who will give more money? Evidence of this was clearly voiced by Soloviev. I receive well, therefore I support the power in all its manifestations. Who will give more money and who has this money? The answer is clear. And Russia will receive a president, a democrat and a lover of tolerance and universal values, the Crimea and the Kuril Islands itself will give up with popular approval by the heated media, a possible indemnity for bad behavior. Do you need this? I don’t. And do not refer to the fact that the CEC, that it is necessary to draw something. The people there are literate, and he has the opportunity to assess the situation. Just as the Communists quickly repainted in due time, so will our courtiers.
  • unaha
    unaha 11 June 2020 07: 09 New
    0
    Sorry, but it sounds something like this: "the liberals and their overseas masters yell heartily against the government's order to hit the wall with a run, I understand that this is complete nonsense, but since they are enemies, I went to gain a run."
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 11 June 2020 07: 20 New
    -2
    In general, throughout the country, last year there was a collection of signatures for changing the constitution and the abolition of Gorbachev’s illegal actions to dissolve the USSR state authorities. 2 million signatures were collected. Based on this, the current changes are underway. Putin took advantage of this a little in his interests, but this is not the most important. Amendments are the first step towards establishing order in the country. An appeal was sent to the prosecutor's office regarding Gorbachev’s actions on the basis of the same signatures.
    And now the most important thing, Gorbachev’s actions will probably be recognized as not legal, and the amendments indicate that Russia is the legal successor of the USSR.
    The restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 begins. People need to be supported!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 June 2020 08: 03 New
      +6
      An appeal was sent to the prosecutor's office regarding Gorbachev’s actions on the basis of the same signatures.
      And now the most important thing, Gorbachev’s actions will probably be recognized as illegal

      You have to wait until the blue brooms.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 June 2020 09: 07 New
        -1
        We'll have to wait.
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 11 June 2020 09: 29 New
      +1
      The restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 begins. People need to be supported!

      The amendment by the president was formulated as a new paragraph in this article of the Constitution:
      "2−1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed. ”

      Demarcation (English demarcation "demarcation") - carrying out any dividing line; definition of the border.
      Remind you who the Daman Island was handed over to China? And how will this amendment prevent you from moving the border posts in the Kuril Islands
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 June 2020 16: 46 New
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      In 1947, the USSR bought a small territory from Finland, and in the early 50s the last exchange of territories with the Polish People’s Republic took place.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 June 2020 17: 50 New
        -1
        And in the 1970s, an agreement on the inviolability of borders. Everything that happens on the territory of the USSR is its internal affair. The exit of the republics was not done according to the law, everything that is not legal is subject to cancellation.
        The main thing is that the people make the right conclusions, the process will go.
    4. Revival
      Revival 11 June 2020 23: 15 New
      -4
      Wake up!
      Lithuania Latvia Estonia Georgia easily join?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 12 June 2020 07: 16 New
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        And who will burn for them in nuclear ashes? They’ll return as cute ones, of course, they will not do without firing because their national armies have no place to withdraw them. But they won’t last long.
  • depressant
    depressant 11 June 2020 09: 36 New
    +3
    Colleague mikh-korsakov, your opinion is very sincere. I appreciate people like you, and therefore put you a plus. But just for that. If the adversary attacks, then without any amendments, the President of the country as the Commander-in-Chief declares martial law and takes over all the fullness of power.
  • snake
    snake 11 June 2020 15: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman and Co. and Ekho Moskvy were generally worse than the authorities. They are enemies.

    Yes, their own power and nurtured (Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom). To look on their background is not the bottom.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 15: 23 New
      -6
      Quote: serpent
      Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom

      Lying is bad wink no laughing
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 17: 40 New
          -3
          Quote: serpent
          And what is wrong

          Yes, almost everything laughing

          Gazprom does not finance Echo. Your fence links - nothing request
          1. snake
            snake 11 June 2020 18: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Gazprom does not finance Echo. Your fence links - nothing

            Putin on the 2018 Direct Line said Gazprom is funding the Echo. If it is “about nothing,” then what is “about what,” knight of Truth?
            Here is another Wikipedia article:

            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 18: 03 New
              -3
              Quote: serpent
              Putin on Direct Line 2018 said Gazprom is funding Echo

              What place is out of 4.5 hours? Specify, be kind yes

              UPD: well, I see ... you got a familiar word. I will disappoint you to the impossibility - Nazprom-Media is not Gazprom at all ... oddly enough laughing
              1. snake
                snake 11 June 2020 18: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                What place is out of 4.5 hours? Specify, be kind

                I already pointed out ... Here I see, here I do not see? fool
                Quote: serpent
                At 3:29:20
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 18: 17 New
                  -3
                  Quote: serpent
                  I pointed out already ...

                  Clear.

                  Man, this is from the same series as "Putin is a liberal." The question is settled, I suppose? wink
                  1. snake
                    snake 11 June 2020 18: 44 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    The question is settled, I suppose?

                    Do you still think that I lied?
                  2. Revival
                    Revival 11 June 2020 23: 17 New
                    0
                    Yes, he merged as usual, he did not get used to the shameful flight. The crumbs are already worked out
            2. snake
              snake 11 June 2020 18: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Nazprom-Media is not Gazprom at all ... oddly enough

              Nazprom maybe not Gazprom, but here is Gazprom Media:
              Since 2005, Gazprombank has owned 100% of Gazprom Media

              Gazprombank:
              PJSC Gazprom - 29,76% of ordinary shares;
              Gazprom Capital LLC - 16,25% of ordinary shares in trust owned by Gazprom Gas Distribution JSC.
              GAZFOND Non-state Pension Fund Joint Stock Company - 41,58% of ordinary shares

              Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom Media and Gazprombank - Alexey Miller. He is the chairman of the Gazprom Management Committee.
              So that:
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Lying is bad wink no laughing
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 18: 32 New
                -4
                My friend - who belongs to whom - this is one thing. Who finances whom - this is a completely different matter. What Putin answered to the stupid question is the third matter.

                Troll me to no purpose if you haven’t understood for so many years laughing
                1. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 18: 46 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  My friend - who belongs to whom - this is one thing. Who finances whom - this is a completely different matter. What Putin answered to the stupid question is the third matter.

                  Hvilosophy began ... "Here we play, here we do not play, and here I wrapped the fish."
                  Gazprom, through its subsidiary banks, is giving money to the "opposition" from Echo Tel Aviv. Fact. What else is there to talk about?
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 18: 53 New
                  -4
                  Quote: serpent
                  Gazprom, through its subsidiary banks, is giving money to the "opposition" from Echo Tel Aviv. Fact

                  Did you see the payments yourself? Lay out scans?

                  Do not tell the sneakers, they are so funny ...
                3. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 19: 13 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Did you see the payments yourself? Lay out scans?

                  It’s enough for me that Putin recognizes this to the whole country, and that they do not hide this in the internet. And the payments ... Neither I nor you saw them. Or did you still see and now lay them out and prove that I lied?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Do not tell the sneakers, they are so funny ...

                  Slippers are funny, and you yourself ...
                  Already managed to knock, our shot ...
                4. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 19: 18 New
                  -5
                  Quote: serpent
                  I have enough that Putin recognizes this throughout the country

                  Man, this is exactly the case when "what is the question - such is the answer." A la "I would like you to say - I am a liberal" - "yes, I am a liberal." We have a "silvester" this video is very fond of laughing

                  Okay. To convince you of something, to teach ... but only to spoil it. Good luck wink
                5. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 19: 22 New
                  0
                  But I didn’t bring only Putin’s words. Unlike you. You have not brought anything. Only blah blah blah. What, one wonders, popped up with their phrase about "lying is not good" ..?
                6. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 19: 40 New
                  -2
                  Quote: serpent
                  You have not brought anything

                  Serpent, you are a bore somewhere. Here, catch, sapienti, as they say, sat:

                  PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), at the request of Gazprom Media, conducted an audit of the finance of Echo of Moscow for 2013, Vladimir Shemyakin, First Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Media, told Vedomosti. As a result of the audit, the radio station’s reporting revealed clear discrepancies between the amount of advertising time sold and the revenue received, he says. “We don’t know whether this discrepancy is sloppiness, theft or banal barter, so it’s too early to draw conclusions at this stage,” said Shemyakin, “nevertheless, we are extremely concerned about such reporting by the radio station”

                  Gazprom Media controls a 66% stake in Echo, the rest is with American EM-Holding. Co-owners of the latter are Yuri Fedutinov, Alexei Venediktov, the former owner of the Most group, Vladimir Gusinsky, his partner Igor Malashenko and journalists of the radio station


                  Read, there are quite clearly described the relationship of Gazprom-Media and Echo.

                  And do not bother anymore with stupid things, weary already.
                7. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 19: 49 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  quite clearly described the relationship of Gazprom Media and Echo.

                  Yes, nothing is described there, except that:
                  In early February, Echo shareholders at the request of Gazprom Media appointed a new general director of the radio station, Ekaterina Pavlova.

                  Who pays grandfather (Venediktov), ​​he dances.
                8. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 20: 10 New
                  -3
                  Quote: serpent
                  Yes, nothing is described there, except that

                  Mdja ...

                  Quote: Ibid
                  Echo is one of the most popular radio stations in Moscow. The company does not disclose financial results. Fedutinov and Shemyakin say the company's revenue last year was about $ 10 million. The radio station is not unprofitable, Shemyakin specified

                  All these offices (and NTV, TNT, and much more) are included in Gazprom Media, besides Ehi, and they are self-sustaining. The holding controls their livelihoods and has their own income from them ... but does not at all contain them "purely for the love of art." Hence the audit and the change of leadership ... I said sapienti sat. You, apparently - "not sat." Well, here I am powerless request
                9. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 20: 18 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I said - sapienti sat.

                  I also like winged Latin expressions, but do not write the same thing twice in a row. You won’t become smarter twice.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The holding controls their livelihoods and has their own income from them ... but does not at all contain them "purely for the love of art."

                  And the shares of Echo were just presented to Gazprom, “purely out of love for state-owned companies” ...
                10. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 20: 25 New
                  -3
                  Quote: serpent
                  And the shares of Echo were just presented to Gazprom, “purely out of love for state-owned companies”

                  And this already does not apply to the matter at all ... but to help you sleep better, I’ll explain:

                  On November 14, 2011, speaking in the Commercial Court of London as a witness at the trial in a lawsuit filed by Boris Berezovsky against Roman Abramovich, the former head of the Presidential Administration Alexander Voloshin denied the information that Gusinsky allegedly sold his Media-MOST media holding to Gazprom, in exchange for the removal of criminal charges. Despite the fact that many circumstances suggest otherwise, Voloshin believes that this was a voluntary transaction

                  Honestly squeezed from one of the "seven bankers" laughing
                11. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 20: 45 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Despite the fact that many circumstances suggest otherwise, Voloshin believes that this was a voluntary transaction

                  Just think - the circumstances! The main thing is how Voloshin thinks.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And this is completely irrelevant ...

                  The matter is how it all began, namely: the pro-government company Gazprom has financial relations with the Echo of Moscow, which unequivocally defines this liberal hangout as a manual, systemic “opposition”. That's where the dog rummaged ...
                12. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 21: 06 New
                  -3
                  Quote: serpent
                  how it all began, namely: the pro-government company Gazprom has financial relations with the Echo of Moscow

                  Not this way. It began with this:

                  Quote: serpent
                  Gazprom finances Echo

                  This is not true. The echo is part of a Gazprom-controlled structure, and it is a donor in this structure, not an acceptor of financial resources. I hope the terminology does not bother you laughing

                  The same thing that you said, namely -

                  Quote: serpent
                  Gazprom finances Echo

                  - the essence of a lie, or, colloquially, a lie. What was indicated to you ... my friend yes
                13. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 21: 17 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The same thing that you said, namely -
                  Quote: serpent
                  Gazprom finances Echo

                  - the essence of a lie, or, colloquially, a lie. What was indicated to you ... my friend

                  Venediktov acknowledged that Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom
                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/ruslanostashko/venediktov-priznal-chto-eho-moskvy-finansiruet-gazprom-5b67f50735269000a986ab8f
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The echo is part of a Gazprom-controlled structure, and it is a donor in this structure, not an acceptor of financial resources.

                14. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 June 2020 21: 54 New
                  -3
                  Quote: serpent
                  Venediktov acknowledged that Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom

                  And on the fence "screw" is written ... everything, disappear, otherwise I will start to go wild laughing
                15. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 22: 09 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And on the fence "screw" is written

                  On the fence is written "drain".
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  otherwise I’ll start to go wild

                  Not scary. Call the orderlies. For the first time or something ... wink
                16. Revival
                  Revival 11 June 2020 23: 26 New
                  -2
                  To go wild! Oeeeea.
                  And the cage is shattered and the drinker is broken and the sawdust is scattered
                17. snake
                  snake 11 June 2020 23: 55 New
                  -4
                  Yes, this is his chip - to threaten. Apparently for wit ...
  • Revival
    Revival 11 June 2020 23: 21 New
    -3
    Yes, the epic failure (breakthrough) is ceased, so they’ll do it ..
  • Revival
    Revival 11 June 2020 23: 20 New
    -3
    Well, do not trample it so much, otherwise we’ll not overhear the squeal)))
    See that they were cornered))
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 June 2020 04: 46 New
    -1
    Sergei! Yeah, right by the joke, I’m looking at Gazprom, the State Department took a closer look
  • Revival
    Revival 11 June 2020 22: 56 New
    -1
    And what without zeroing, after 2024 immediately "who if not a gozman" chtoli?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 June 2020 05: 28 New
    0
    Could greatly “cheer up” the voter, stimulate, attract, by amendment / law prohibiting “the servants of the people”, lay a “straw” behind the hill, prepare the landing site for later! Soft, warm, sweet .... I would have agreed immediately.
    And so ...... not balanced, the balance is not in favor.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 11 June 2020 07: 22 New
      -1
      You will be surprised, but there it is, civil servants are prohibited from shield in foreign banks, and dual citizenship.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 June 2020 07: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: Herman 4223
        You will be surprised, but there it is, civil servants are prohibited from shield in foreign banks, and dual citizenship.

        No, this morning I heard something about the "nationalization of the elite" ..,. need to read, figure it out !!!
        Whether I am right or not, then we'll see.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 11 June 2020 07: 41 New
          +1
          I read the amendments yesterday, it is there.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 June 2020 07: 43 New
            +3
            I will read, be sure.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 11 June 2020 07: 52 New
              -3
              I like the amendment where it says that Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Voting is based on last year's collection of signatures, and there was still a demand to investigate the illegal actions of 1991, on the dissolution of state authorities of the USSR. The last request was transferred to the prosecutor’s office last year. It is a pity in the media deathly silence, if the amendments are passed and the prosecutor's office recognizes those actions as illegal, then the restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 will begin. Oh it will be fun.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 June 2020 08: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Herman 4223
                Oh it will be fun.

                So, that is, there are well-known public figures who predict much more "fun" for us ...
                But they are realists, they know just more, although they predict, point to sharp corners in our reality, remind us that we wouldn’t have any special illusions that the AUTHORITY, SYSTEM will have something to put into the public field, understand and .... in short, they have a desire, there are opportunities, to align the corners in a quiet way or just hide them in other corners ...
                In short, citizens will not be admitted to many topics!
                In short, the "fun" will be, but somehow on the one hand!
              2. Revival
                Revival 11 June 2020 22: 58 New
                -1
                After this comment, questions to your comments have reset to zero ...
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 12 June 2020 07: 07 New
                  0
                  Nullify as much as you want, I do not mind.
                  But if you reset everything to zero then you yourself will not go further in development.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 June 2020 05: 39 New
    -2
    Do we have another, alternative, state? So you can reverse everything, and vice versa, like everything you don’t do, you do to the detriment of the authorities! We have a choice, more precisely, as always we have an imitation of elections, when everything has already been decided and counted! And as for Paroshenko, the author, are you sure of the numbers that we lied to from Ukraine? That is, the packs of ballots by themselves piled their feet in boxes, there were no mass frauds there? ?? You need to go to the polls, because we have already given everything to the authorities for a long time, let everything go by chance with our political amorphism! Another thing is whether the people have the courage to write in the bulletin "I am for changes to the Constitution, but I am against the cancellation of the term of the president of Russia! He should go honestly himself" !!!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 June 2020 05: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      It’s another matter if the people have the courage to write in the bulletin “I am for amendments to the Constitution, but I am against the cancellation of the term of the President of Russia! He should go honestly himself” !!!

      believe in it, very naive and simple-hearted alas. you can say "halva" a hundred times, it will not become sweeter in your mouth.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 June 2020 06: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Could strongly “cheer up” the voter, stimulate, attract ...

      I often see granite and marble “incentives” when I visit the Kemerovo city cemetery. Apparently they are stimulating someone that in the country a thief is a thief and a thief chases.
      I believe that Russia has built such a system of power in which the opinion of a particular voter (hundreds of voters, thousands of voters, a million voters ...) does not affect the processes in the country. It is because of this that the apathy of the electorate has a place to be. Nobody trusts the receipt of their own salary to a third party ... There are no people who want to put the keys to the apartment where the money is (or the mouse was hung in the refrigerator) under the rug ... This is an incentive, this is called personal interest.
      Russia has already shown the difference between words and deeds and the same rights for everyone:
      Article 19
      1. All are equal before the law and the court.
      2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
      3. A man and a woman have equal rights and freedoms and equal opportunities for their realization.

      Most of all I like the article:
      Article 20
      1. Everyone has the right to life.
      2. Until its abolition, the death penalty may be established by federal law as an exceptional measure of punishment for especially grave crimes against life, if the accused person is granted the right to a jury trial.

      “Right to life” or “right to a dignified life”? And why does life in some regions resemble delayed death?
      Quote: Thrifty
      But do we have another, alternative, state? ... Another thing is whether the people have the courage to write in the bulletin "I am for changes to the Constitution, but I am against the cancellation of the term of the president of Russia!"

      Will there be enough courage to spoil the ballot and cast its “against amendments” to the bank of votes “for”? But did the people have the courage when they told him that “yes,” “yes,” “no,” “yes,” is the only right choice?

      Or did the people get scared and did not come to the polls?
      We need a socially oriented state with a socialist economy, when “private owners” do not put their feet on natural resources. Our land and us (our children and grandchildren) live on it. Therefore, the constitution of the state must guarantee the rights and freedoms for the vast majority of citizens. It should be adopted by a majority vote. It should not contain articles that directly or indirectly derogate the dignity of Russian citizens and give “preferential” rights even for a small category even denounced by “special” rights.
      No one has the right to change the guarantees of life on their own or through authorities except through a popular referendum.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 June 2020 06: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I believe that Russia has built such a system of power in which the opinion of a particular voter (hundreds of voters, thousands of voters, a million voters ...)

        I’ll try to change the focus, put the accents differently ..... "A SYSTEM has been built in Russia, which, whoever sits there at the very top, publicly represents it ... for PEOPLE, nothing will change fundamentally !!! it won’t even really we need some kind of legitimacy, legitimization ... it just plays it all! HOW REALLY DO NOT LOOK FOR THE TOTAL ONE, in the eyes here and here of someone else's.
        This is nothing special, for the rest of the world, there are so many where, just dressed up in different attributes, clothes and now teach everyone in a row how to live for us ...
        It is useless to go in for a specific, upper, public person. not one, but the other, not much different from the previous one, for us, for the poor, working people. This system was created by the RICH and for the RICH! Sometimes they pull on a fleur like they are guardians of national, state interests !!! Someone is better at it, others worse, but EVERYTHING is the same, they only baked about themselves, it will be so.
        The amendments / changes no longer excite me in any way, because even without them, in the hands of the leaders was / is. All the necessary laws / tools, for the normal leadership of the state, FOR THE PEOPLE COULD BE DONE ... this is another pull ... of pink glasses on the voter.
        THE SYSTEM will not be .... replaced, so everything will remain the same!
        At the expense of zeroing ... it’s unpleasant, but no, our LEO does not look so decrepit, in principle, he is “familiar” to everyone, understandable, predictable! Stability, however!
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 11 June 2020 05: 54 New
    +7
    Having come to vote, citizen M. agrees that his opinion or candidate will either win or lose.
    And in the end it turns out that the vote as such does not begin outside the doors of the polling station, but in front of them. And first, we vote with our feet for the legitimacy of what is happening in general and express the trust of the authorities, and then we go to the voting hall to the details.
    So burn, eat, ... newsletters are completely optional. In any case, taking it in your hands, you have already made the first part of the choice.

    I don’t quite agree, Roman. What about the situation when we say 80-85% vote against? Same agreement?
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 11 June 2020 07: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Tugarin
      I don’t quite agree, Roman. What about the situation when we say 80-85% vote against? Same agreement?

      I’m responsible for Roman: they will not vote against ... I came across a counting system.
      1. Tugarin
        Tugarin 11 June 2020 09: 10 New
        +4
        I’m responsible for Roman: they will not vote against ... I came across a counting system

        That is, if such a result is found during the vote count, they will not be given a move (some of the “Against” ballots will be withdrawn) and more acceptable for myself numbers? Did you mean that?
        1. polar fox
          polar fox 11 June 2020 09: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Tugarin
          That is, if such a result is found during the vote count, they will not be given a move (some of the “Against” ballots will be withdrawn) and the figures that are more acceptable to themselves will be published?

          nobody will count anything. they will pretend that they think. and the ballots are all in the trash. We found whole dumps of this good already in the morning after the "vote", and prepared "left" papers ... but that was in the beginning, in the late 90s Now they don’t bother with this either. A living example. When 78 people came to the polling station and 300 + voted in the last minutes.
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 11 June 2020 09: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Tugarin
          That is, if such a result is found during the vote count, they will not be given a move (some of the “Against” ballots will be withdrawn) and they will publish more acceptable figures for themselves? Did you mean that?

          Results have already been dumped into the regions: turnout 56-60%, 60% -68% for.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 11 June 2020 06: 08 New
    +7
    Suppose people voted against the changes. What will change in our life? Will not marry between a man and a woman? Will the Siberian Cranes fly the other way? Bluffing is everything, for the sake of a well-known goal.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 June 2020 07: 45 New
      +3
      And what without a constitution, marriages between a man and a woman did not occur?
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 11 June 2020 10: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        And what without a constitution, marriages between a man and a woman did not occur?

        So you are talking about the same thing.
  • U-58
    U-58 11 June 2020 06: 27 New
    +1
    As Stirlitz would say, there are no ligaments .....
    What conclusion does the author call for? If you are in opposition, to score in any election, having appeared a complete ignore of the authorities?
    In theory, beautiful. In practice, this means completely untying the same power of the hand and allowing it to the FSE.
    Even despite its “illegitimacy”
  • SVD68
    SVD68 11 June 2020 06: 29 New
    -3
    Bravo, Roman!
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 11 June 2020 06: 55 New
    +1
    I’ll go to the vote. No matter how the author dodges in his fabrications ...
    I am Russian.
    How I will vote is my business. I also have not seen the ballot in my eyes.
    I vote according to my conscience.
    For it is not in the tradition of my people to sit at home and peep in the crack when the universal, conciliar, work is completed.
    When my grandchildren ask me many years later: “Grandfather, did you go to vote for the new Constitution?” I will answer: “I went, of course. All real Russians went. And you will go in due time!”
    Putin is not eternal.
    And Russia - forever!
    1. snake
      snake 11 June 2020 22: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      When my grandchildren ask me many years later: "Grandfather, did you go to the vote for the new Constitution?", I will answer:

      - What grandfather am I to you? I recently reset to zero, and now I'm the same kid like you!

      Quote: Paul Siebert
      All real Russians went.

      "Interesting ethnology with Paul Siebert" or how I turned out to be a "fake" Russian.
  • igorra
    igorra 11 June 2020 06: 57 New
    +5
    Everything is as usual with us - started for health, finished for peace. Until they introduce the death penalty and confiscation for officials without exception and nonhumans as they are atrocities, nothing will change.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 June 2020 07: 05 New
    +1
    Do not spoil the ballot; vote as your mind tells you, if there is of course. And scream together, the destiny of the wretched and stupid.
  • certero
    certero 11 June 2020 07: 11 New
    +6
    Be sure to come and be sure to vote ..
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 11 June 2020 07: 21 New
    +3
    Vote for! At least for tr, to change the vile Yeltsin constitution. She is dead, like all liberal ideas. And what is dead must be removed. To evil "thinking little people with bright faces"
    1. Tugarin
      Tugarin 11 June 2020 09: 24 New
      13
      Vote for! At least for tr, to change the vile Yeltsin constitution

      Your desire to change the current vile constitution is worthy of respect and supported by the majority. The problem is that the very “colonial” essence of the power in it refused to change. Putin said this bluntly. You can’t be independent if your “wallet” is in someone else’s pocket. This is me and about disobedience CBR to the Government, and about property / family for officials abroad.
      Therefore, the new constitution will remain just as vile.
    2. MBRSS
      MBRSS 11 June 2020 10: 17 New
      +6
      so the amendments do not reject the Yeltsin constitution. It will be Yeltsin-Putin. But really nothing will change.
    3. AUL
      AUL 11 June 2020 14: 04 New
      +2
      And how will these amendments improve the vile (really) constitution? A couple of new declarations?
  • letinant
    letinant 11 June 2020 07: 39 New
    -6
    Quote: Sayan
    Quote: Far In
    Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the ballot, and even more so sit out at home - play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their phi, falsifying elections (yes any votes) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and the Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...

    The people showed their fi edrosne before the 18th, still in the zero ones, and then they removed the candidate “against all,” and then canceled the minimum turnout percentage

    What makes you all so bother?
  • lelik613
    lelik613 11 June 2020 07: 53 New
    +1
    Well, I think it explains
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 11 June 2020 07: 54 New
    +2
    I won’t agitate campaigning prohibited (they are INFORM) but I’ll say that I’m going to vote against, since this is a demonstration that it is not good to wipe the constitution, that they are tired, the demonstration is not so much to them, but to fellow citizens, neighbors, colleagues, etc. I’ll go vote against to stand in solidarity with those who vote the same
  • Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 11 June 2020 07: 55 New
    -14
    You all raised the ball to go or not to vote, for or against ... well, you don’t like the amendment on the “mythical” zeroing (you would read the text of the amendment first), you don’t want to see Putin again for the next term - come to the polls after 4 years and vote against him ... or are you not sure if 2% of whining emo-communists and socialists have any weight? tongue
  • Million
    Million 11 June 2020 08: 04 New
    11
    They need a turnout, and they will write the result as they need. Therefore, I won’t go
  • Hagen
    Hagen 11 June 2020 08: 06 New
    -5
    We will leave the veiled call for a boycott of the event to the conscience of the author. Whose point of view he advocates, I think, is understandable. But briefly I would like to say the following. Limiting the number of opportunities to be president, I personally assess as an infringement of my right to choose the one whom I consider worthy. The surname is not important here. This is the norm of Western political practice of parliamentary-presidential republics with a “weak” president and a “strong” parliament, where the figure of the president itself is not critical in decision-making, especially on the outer edge. It was squeezed into our constitution by “overseas friends” in 1993 and is a reminder of incomplete sovereignty in those years. The hysteria of some "circles" regarding the zeroing of the deadlines is caused by the lack of confidence of the minority, these "circles", that the majority of Russian citizens share their point of view. Those. they, this minority, want to dominate the majority in the matter of choosing the country's leader. Whose interest they reflect, I think, too, it is not necessary to guess. Nevertheless, Patrushev is right. Started... laughing
    1. letinant
      letinant 11 June 2020 08: 25 New
      -4
      Quote: Hagen
      We will leave the veiled call for a boycott of the event to the conscience of the author. Whose point of view he advocates, I think, is understandable. But briefly I would like to say the following. Limiting the number of opportunities to be president, I personally assess as an infringement of my right to choose the one whom I consider worthy. The surname is not important here. This is the norm of Western political practice of parliamentary-presidential republics with a “weak” president and a “strong” parliament, where the figure of the president itself is not critical in decision-making, especially on the outer edge. It was squeezed into our constitution by “overseas friends” in 1993 and is a reminder of incomplete sovereignty in those years. The hysteria of some "circles" regarding the zeroing of the deadlines is caused by the lack of confidence of the minority, these "circles", that the majority of Russian citizens share their point of view. Those. they, this minority, want to dominate the majority in the matter of choosing the country's leader. Whose interest they reflect, I think, too, it is not necessary to guess. Nevertheless, Patrushev is right. Started... laughing

      It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018.
      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 11 June 2020 08: 46 New
        -8
        It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018. good good You are completely right !!!!!
      2. Pilot
        Pilot 11 June 2020 09: 29 New
        +8
        Quote: letinant
        It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018.

        Hmm, now it’s hard for the old center liberals. crying good On the one hand, the red ones are kicking, on the other hand, your native market ultra-liberals are striving to bite, and even the crested ones are pecking from under the silence ... laughing Your crooks turned up business in the country, nowhere else. negative
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 11 June 2020 10: 15 New
        -3
        Quote: letinant
        Maybe a coincidence

        I don’t think .... wassat
    2. parma
      parma 11 June 2020 09: 34 New
      +3
      There is a clause in the US Constitution according to which a person cannot be president for more than 2 terms and it doesn’t matter whether they are in a row or not. The question is, does the US also have problems with sovereignty? Has someone imposed such a system on them? Or maybe this is a system of balances that allows people to choose an alternative? Moreover, this alternative has a name, and not just a party label and list ...
      For: the 1993 constitution cut all the ideas of borrowing from the working systems of the West, removing the counterweight in parliament ... because the president is our king, holding elections without a choice ...
      And vote, do not vote - you will still get zeroing ...
      1. letinant
        letinant 11 June 2020 11: 36 New
        -1
        Quote: parma
        There is a clause in the US Constitution according to which a person cannot be president for more than 2 terms and it doesn’t matter whether they are in a row or not. The question is, does the US also have problems with sovereignty? Has someone imposed such a system on them? Or maybe this is a system of balances that allows people to choose an alternative? Moreover, this alternative has a name, and not just a party label and list ...
        For: the 1993 constitution cut all the ideas of borrowing from the working systems of the West, removing the counterweight in parliament ... because the president is our king, holding elections without a choice ...
        And vote, do not vote - you will still get zeroing ...

        An amendment to the US Constitution on the number of terms was introduced in 1945, after the death of Roosevelt. Up to this point, the US president could be reelected without restrictions. They introduced it in order not to repeat the situation that developed under the leadership of T. Roosevelt. With the help of trade unions, Roosevel forced businessmen (essentially classical oligarchs) to pay decent wages and comply with social norms. In addition, the maximum possible mark-ups on the product from its cost price (10% -15%) and the maximum number of intermediaries when delivering goods from the manufacturer to the consumer (no more than two) were determined. A certain percentage of income, a businessman (the owner of production facilities) should have been invested in development or modernization, this was prescribed by law. Therefore, there are still unions afraid of fire. During the life of Roosevelt, a referendum was held on his appointment as president for life, the majority he became. Since during the life of Roosevelt, it was not possible to enact a law on the number of terms (people loved their president for the reforms) .Aligarchs waited for his death and quickly entered this amendment into the US Constitution (I did not remember how I did it for a long time). In principle, we are now facing the same situation. The amendments that give our country the primacy of our right are leveled, the ban on the possession of money abroad by officials, is also silent and much more. But it rises to bayonets about zeroing the deadline for the president. Taking advantage of Putin, this amendment or not, is his right. I have a few questions for him, but I definitely know one thing. I lived in the 90s and I don’t want to go there anymore. REMEMBER, some individuals who write that they must vote against are trying to leave our country in the 90s. Indeed, it was under this constitution (1993) that our country was sacked.
        1. parma
          parma 11 June 2020 12: 19 New
          +2
          Let's not bustle. If dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not plan to use this opportunity, why was the question raised? If we have a parliament, let alone United Russia (the party of the President), which is completely independent and controlled by the head of state, then why didn’t he make a statement that he was not interested in that, and so on? After all, such a step would clearly add to his popularity and obviously not a little! Well, we won’t guess and turn to past experience - when under President Medvedev they increased the term to 6 years, no one understood for whom this was done and who would be the main state after 2012?
          Regarding the "looting" of the 90s, it didn’t end either in the 0th or now ... just shoot less steel, now everything is decided by landing the opponent’s representatives until the issue is resolved, but how it goes .. we have deputies and governors and members of the Federation Council, which one morning turned out to be members of organized crime groups ... but before that no one knew, did not see what they were doing in 90? I think you yourself know very well the members of the city or regional Duma of your small homeland, who were a bit shaved at 90, in a leather jacket and with a firearm in the trunk .. and this new constitution will not stop at all ...
          1. letinant
            letinant 11 June 2020 12: 39 New
            0
            Quote: parma
            Let's not bustle. If dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not plan to use this opportunity, why was the question raised? If we have a parliament, let alone United Russia (the party of the President), which is completely independent and controlled by the head of state, then why didn’t he make a statement that he was not interested in that, and so on? After all, such a step would clearly add to his popularity and obviously not a little! Well, we won’t guess and turn to past experience - when under President Medvedev they increased the term to 6 years, no one understood for whom this was done and who would be the main state after 2012?
            Regarding the "looting" of the 90s, it didn’t end either in the 0th or now ... just shoot less steel, now everything is decided by landing the opponent’s representatives until the issue is resolved, but how it goes .. we have deputies and governors and members of the Federation Council, which one morning turned out to be members of organized crime groups ... but before that no one knew, did not see what they were doing in 90? I think you yourself know very well the members of the city or regional Duma of your small homeland, who were a bit shaved at 90, in a leather jacket and with a firearm in the trunk .. and this new constitution will not stop at all ...

            For you, we have a presidential-parliamentary state structure. Second, the president is not a member of the United Russia party. Thirdly, he is probably not a populist, therefore he does not throw words. I didn’t refuse that we would sit, think, leave or leave, otherwise the mice would rumble under the carpet.
            1. parma
              parma 11 June 2020 13: 42 New
              -2
              It’s clear that not everyone distributed the new manuals, but it’s understandable ... self-isolation ...
              For you, we have a presidential form of government, since after 1993 the president can dissolve parliament faster and easier than get impeached. The second is that the president of folklore is not formally a member of the party, due to clause 3
              Our president is a populist, his words and promises diverged from actions more than once — starting with the first promise to “soak” the Chechen fighters in the toilet (as a result, the head of one of the entities is the former field commander of these same fighters) and ending with the promise not to increase the retirement age while he head of state ...
              Well, the last - what about the new one, that according to the old constitution, he cannot become head of state without zeroing in 2024 .. but maybe because of his age he can’t become president after 2030 (he has already survived the Russian age of “survival” ) zeroing and suggested ...
              Ps: why didn’t they comment on the “looting”? In the training manual there are no instructions, who lived in 90 you are our ...
              1. letinant
                letinant 11 June 2020 14: 40 New
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                why didn’t they comment on the “looting”? In the training manual there are no instructions, who lived in 90 you are our ...
                Well, I better ask you why you don’t know what form of government we have. You can talk about the amendments, only with you, it's empty. And here you have, specifically training manuals. They would say for other amendments, well, for example, a decrease in presidential opportunities, but no, you are all “incubator”, under one carbon copy, about zeroing the term. Well, okay, leave Putin power, I agree. He gets up, looks around and you will have fun. Do you think he will not become president, he will lose power? You are dumber than I thought of you.
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