Should I spoil the newsletter?

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So, we defeated the coronavirus, as it was, in principle, predicted, however, the promised second wave remained. Which will cover us either after the parade (in those cities where it will take place), or after a plebiscite, where our plebs, which is the electorate, will have to choose something. But it can easily pick up this infection in areas, although we are assured of the opposite.

Today, a frank aggressive campaign from our CEC continued, in which everyone is urged not just to come to the polls, but to vote. Naturally, “for” changes in the Constitution. Dozens of complaints have already been submitted to the actions of the CEC ... to the CEC!



But now we will talk about something else. About choice without choice or choice with choice.

Let's just say that I personally do not like that I will vote with a stroke of the pen at once for everything. As our gentlemen Pamfilova said, a complex lunch: vinaigrette, borsch, goulash and compote. And all in one pan, because what difference does it make, everything mixes up in the stomach anyway, right?

But not like that. I would like the cutlets to be separate, and the flies separately. But the authorities don’t want it that way, the authorities like an eternal scenario like “vote, or not that ...” Yes, in general, it is already “not that”, but, alas, they will not offer another.

And here the main question arises: what to do if borsch and compote is normal, and goulash and vinaigrette - well, nothing? Where to get a choice when there is no choice as such?

In fact, though a ghostly choice, there is one.

But here now there will be a small retreat.

In general, what is a plebiscite? Any that constitutional amendments, that referendum of a different nature, that elections?

This is, first of all, the legitimization of political processes that a minority (hundreds or thousands) dictates to the majority (millions).

Why is it so important that a person simply comes to the polling station? But because this action speaks of his recognition of what the minority is doing.

Some people equate legitimate and legitimate authorities. But in vain. These are different things. And if everything is clear with the lawful, then the legitimate power is the one that the majority of the electorate supports.

The best example is Ukraine. They illegally expelled Yanukovych, illegally appointed a management company headed by a bloody pastor, didn’t quite legally hold elections - and according to the election results, everything turned out to be very legitimate! The people really supported Poroshenko with their voices, following his promises!

And despite the illegality, based on what was found earlier, Poroshenko turned out to be quite a legitimate president. Did 59,48% of voters come to the polls? It has arrived. Voted 54,7% for Peter Alekseevich? Voted. That's it, the legitimate president.

The legal legality we leave behind the scenes here. Why? And everything is simple: the opinion of the people who voted in this way is higher than the letter of the law.

And this will happen not only in Ukraine, it can happen in any country.

Take the case when a person still came to the site. He will vote “for”, “against”, tear the ballot or eat it - it does not matter at all!

No, I’m not saying that “it doesn’t matter how you voted, it’s important how you counted”, it’s necessary to speak about this separately.

I mean that a person, having come to the polling station and holding out a passport to the registrar, expresses his agreement with what the authorities are doing at the moment. As a contract between the state and the citizen, if you want.

- Ivan Petrovich, do you agree that everything that happens around the Constitution is legal?

- Yes, I agree.

And this is confirmed by the signature of Ivan Petrovich in the ledger opposite his name and passport data.

That is, Ivan Petrovich agrees to play this game with the state.

But he agrees with the questions of the plebiscite or not - this is the second action, that is, the vote itself.

In fact, having come to vote, citizen M. agrees that his opinion or candidate will either win or lose. Accordingly, citizen M. along with them. But this citizen Ivan Petrovich M. agrees with the legitimacy of what is happening. And with the legitimacy of their victory or defeat.

This is a very important ritual. Demonstration by voters of the legitimacy of processes in society.

Here, as an example, it is worth recalling the last Duma elections. What panic reigned, how unscrupulously overstated the turnout, how the protocols were forged. It was very necessary to show that more than 50% of voters came to the polls. Because if less, this is also a signal, not only for deputies, but for the whole world. Does the state support the people or not.

Roughly the same thing with the presidential election.

People go and still (I don’t know why) vote for the same Zhirinovsky. It is clear that he will never win. But, having come to vote on a site, people confirm the legitimacy of the election of Putin. Even voting against.

And so in this way the fourth (“for”, “against”, spoiled ballot) version of events developed. By the way, it’s quite normal and legitimate. He just plays a little earlier than ticking the ballots.

Came - did not come.

Expressed the confidence of the authorities or said no.

And here the fun begins. It is clear that now the administrative resource will start working as a nuclear power plant, generating instructions, orders, adjustments, and so on, in order to ensure this very appearance.

Already today (it is not entirely clear, however, on the basis of what), but it was stated that from 60 to 65 percent of voters will come to the vote. Such an attitude was given, apparently, to be no lower than what it was in the presidential election. Because, in fact, everyone will vote for zeroing, that is, for the next election of Putin.

Of course, it is necessary that everything looks quite to itself. Worthy, colorful and legitimate.

It is clear that out of 65% of those who come, 5 or 6 percent will vote against. We have this terrible non-systemic opposition, led by the Dark Lord Liberal N.

For the rest, they promise dancing with bears, colorful shows and everything else. The main thing is that people come to vote in the expected numbers.

And in the end it turns out that the vote as such does not begin outside the doors of the polling station, but in front of them. And first, we, the citizen-voters, vote with our feet for the legitimacy of what is happening in general and express the trust of the authorities, and then we move to the voting room for details.

And there we will express our attitude to the immediate issue that the government has set before us.

So burning, eating, tearing and covering up ballots is completely optional. In any case, taking it in your hands, you have already made the first part of the choice. And they expressed their approval to the state.

So it turns out that we all make the choice before we pick up a sheet of paper and a pen.
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  1. +9
    11 June 2020 04: 52
    Exclusively my imha: go to vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good in them is killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the newsletter, and even more so to sit at home - to play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their fi, falsifying elections (yes, any voting) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where the candidates from EdRa flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye then the authorities insolently did everything in their own way, but that is ...
    1. +30
      11 June 2020 04: 57
      I have to go, I agree. Although, in order to ensure that no one ticks for me in my ballot paper, I put it where I do not want.
      1. -1
        11 June 2020 05: 00
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        I have to go, I agree. Although, in order to ensure that no one ticks for me in my ballot paper, I put it where I do not want.

        In principle, in these situations, they can spoil there.
        1. +5
          11 June 2020 09: 17
          Quote: Malyuta
          In principle, in these situations, they can spoil there.

          if you want to spoil the mood of the guarantor, go and vote "against". Your vote "For" or non-participation is conniving with Peskov, Volodin, Tereshkova and all those who live there and work here
          1. -3
            11 June 2020 09: 30
            Quote: Silvestr
            if you want to spoil the mood of the guarantor, go and vote "against". Your vote "For" or non-participation is conniving with Peskov, Volodin, Tereshkova and all those who live there and work here

            Comrade, I do not dispute your position hi
            And now a hepothetical situation, I will walk around the "tents of the polling stations for a week and show them my passport from 2-3 meters and vote" against ", and at the same time, all week, 20 organized people will do the same for little money, only already "for", the result is not obvious to you?
            And the question for you is, why did the Commander-in-Chief so eagerly invite us to go, and why is there such a persistent rush? hi
            1. +12
              11 June 2020 11: 48
              Not obvious.
              Passport data is recorded, 2 times you will not vote.
              Then, in the presence of observers, all this is calculated, the result is sealed. And so every day.
              1. +8
                11 June 2020 16: 32
                Passport data is recorded, 2 times you will not vote.
                Then, in the presence of observers, all this is calculated, the result is sealed. And so every day.

                Ага.

                Blessed is he who believes, warmth in the world! (WITH)
                "Woe from Wit.", Poem, A. S. Griboyedov

                ...
                1. +2
                  14 June 2020 10: 58
                  I remembered the unforgettable Zhenya Psaki ... request
              2. +2
                11 June 2020 18: 53
                It's funny Since, the same recent elections showed when communicating with each other that everything is not so.
              3. +11
                11 June 2020 21: 43
                I’m wondering if I vote on public services, and then I come and try to vote on the site, they will have the data that I have already voted? Or they will give me a second time to vote, if so then it is clear what level of plebiscite counting and its honesty.
                Well, if we seriously vote for or against or we won’t come, even if they honestly count and they fly with a bang, someone really thinks that they will disappear right away and Putin and all the oligarchs voluntarily admit that we are not legitimate, will lower their heads and pass on power to the people? They cannot give up power, because they understand very well what the first law of the people will be. I think the impending global depression will reveal all the deformities and not the structures of this power, open the eyes to those who are still apolitical. And then the real struggle for the liberation of the country and people will begin. All the same, the refrigerator is much more convincing than the TV. And here the authorities have no one to blame except themselves.
              4. -3
                13 June 2020 16: 23
                Not so, dear Kart. Ballots are easily thrown in - there are additionally printed ones. In advance, create a base of ,, dead souls ,, (and almost ,, dead ,,). Use early voting for fraud. Counting, with witnesses, means almost nothing. ,, Correct, boldly in areas at the end of the process. ,, Cherry on the cake ,, - a room in the TEC for transmitting digital data. Access to it is strictly limited., Correct, as you want and you can! Shamelessness is amazing! Pressure is the most powerful ... ,, Administrative resource ,, however.
                The state, “Capitalist Russia,” is an initially deceitful and worthless quasi-state. It's time to finish his activities in the territory of the country of Russia
              5. 0
                15 June 2020 19: 04
                Observers are envisaged when a referendum is held, not this "popular" vote ...
          2. +10
            11 June 2020 12: 30
            go and vote against

            I imagine this stretching across the road "Go, play a scam, if you don't go then you will be deceived"
            1. +14
              11 June 2020 15: 44
              You are right, colleague, the game of thimbles always has one result.
      2. +23
        11 June 2020 05: 48
        The fact that marriage is a man and a woman can be understood without the Constitution. And how to understand the equalization of the minimum wage of a person working 8 hours a day to the cost of living, so as not to die of hunger is quite difficult.
        1. -49
          11 June 2020 06: 59
          Do not tell me how many people we have died of hunger, it is advisable to document. And then you can answer for the bazaar.
          1. +34
            11 June 2020 08: 30
            Quote: Ros 56
            Do not tell me how many people we have died of hunger, it is advisable to document. And then you can answer for the bazaar.

            Before whom ?! Before a certain Dew 56 ?! wassat
            1. -29
              11 June 2020 11: 42
              Naive, people are responsible for the bazaar.
              1. +3
                15 June 2020 10: 51
                Tell your president about this ..))
                1. 0
                  15 June 2020 14: 14
                  He already knows everything about the liberals and who are whining about you from hunger in his second car. There are enough stupid and naive semi-literate people everywhere, but they do not determine the life of the country. You can at least go wild, but not a single minuser has brought a single serious argument, so who died of hunger. One bark, as in the banderlog.
          2. +36
            11 June 2020 08: 50
            Colleague Ross 56. Not necessarily directly from hunger. And due to the drop in immunity against the background of stable malnutrition. Reducing life due to the inability to consume the required amount of the right foods is death from hunger.
            1. -13
              11 June 2020 09: 09
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna. You must admit that in difficult times people did not indulge in greasy foods. Bread, potatoes, onions and a little butter are the whole diet. Such people survived many.
              1. +22
                11 June 2020 10: 12
                nikvic46, you must admit that only those who had a sufficiently strong organism by nature survived relatively short difficult times. They survived, and we, for example, know and hear them. And those who obviously had a weak organism by nature did not survive. There were not many survivors, they died and therefore can not raise their voices in their defense. They are silent! Difficult times exacerbate the situation, mortality due to hunger gets a sharp acceleration, cemeteries quickly overflow. Today's times, turning hunger into stable malnutrition, only slightly stretch the process of dying from hunger in time, making it not so obvious to you.
                1. DVR
                  +8
                  11 June 2020 17: 00
                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, if you find it possible, can you answer the question. So I wrote to a person with a similar (in meaning) nickname "Pessimist22", but he, like everyone else, does not answer. The flag of Victory in the Reichstag is on his avatar. I wrote the truth below in a similar edition, but it's different.
                  In the late 80s, there were many pessimists who very actively began to tell us that everything in the "scoop" is bad, everything is not like people, the rotting west in chocolate, and there are hundreds of varieties of sausages in stores. And in the United States, in general, heavenly heaven on earth, and we have the whole history of the USSR - blood, terror, the GULAG, and animals rule us. I was already ashamed of my country. Many believed the pessimists, and we decided to build capitalism in our country. And the USA became the best friend and helped us in this matter, they wrote the laws, they even say they took part in the writing of the main one wink They got what they got ...
                  The heavy 90s pessimists were silent, they didn’t give a voice, apparently they enjoyed what was built from their pitch. Unprecedented debauchery, drug addiction, poverty and hunger - people hung themselves up and fired because there was nothing to feed their family with, mostly they were drunk from hopelessness. Everything was closed, large, small and medium enterprises. It was stolen and privatized, which is the same thing. And the pessimists, apparently, were happy about the new carefree life. But by the 2010s, life had become so unbearable that exactly the same pessimists now tell us that in the USSR there was heaven on earth, justice and prosperity. And 100 varieties of sausages no longer appeal to them. Everyone in poverty is poor, and they say that we have totalitarianism and repression. They speak everywhere and write and do not hide that you really believe that the bloody regime has come ...
                  And there are so many billionaires that you cannot count. True, the United States, where pessimists used to call us, is still very far away, there is something to strive for, but we are already being called back. They call back and they don't invent anything new, why? All the formulas have already been written earlier, simple and ingenious: "Take everything, and divide it."
                  I'm really confused which of the pessimists are more correct, former or current?
                  1. +6
                    11 June 2020 18: 51
                    Colleague DVR, you probably noticed that, while severely criticizing the president, I avoid the Maidan sentiments. I had to survive long before the 90s in one of the autonomous republics, where their "Maidans" were constantly taking place, the Russian population was subjected to severe criminal pressure. In general, I drank in full. Hence my moderate radicalism. I believe that it is necessary to work within the framework of the circumstances that are given. Just don't be silent. And, unfortunately, my phone no longer takes the forum array, it's hard to type. Let's get back to your opinion in the coming days. I will not forget him))
                    1. -16
                      11 June 2020 19: 06
                      Why are there so many whiners on military review? It feels like this portal was occupied by residents of nursing homes.
                      1. +1
                        12 June 2020 00: 23
                        Researcher; And the elderly, in your opinion, are NOT PEOPLE, especially participants in the Great Patriotic War.
                      2. 0
                        12 June 2020 13: 25
                        Thank you for the cons, Dear forum users. I take them for a double plus. But I know for certain that most of the elderly people I have named are one and a half, or even two times younger than me. I myself was born a few years after the end of the Second World War. So to hide behind the Veterans of our Victory is low and despicable, well, it's okay. But "poking" is not desirable for me. Otherwise I can take offense and give it in the eye.
                      3. 0
                        15 June 2020 14: 19
                        The participants in the war do not whine as the local visitors and their pensions are not bad, even my mother, who did not fight, but who plowed the whole war, had a good pension.
                    2. DVR
                      +1
                      11 June 2020 19: 10
                      Thank you, I will be glad.
              2. +1
                11 June 2020 16: 31
                Mortality, including child mortality?
              3. +3
                14 June 2020 11: 16
                Familiar motives ... About "macaroshki" .. About the blockade with "good health ..." About the state, which "did not ask you to give birth" and therefore "owes nothing to anyone ...". Official abomination in their repertoire ...
            2. bar
              -8
              11 June 2020 09: 47
              Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?
              1. +10
                11 June 2020 10: 33
                bar, do not you understand? I already answered. Changes that have taken place since Yeltsin’s era added only a few years to a person’s life, but not the decades that he could have lived by eating normally.
                1. +7
                  11 June 2020 11: 50
                  And if eating is not just normal, but excellent, then centuries of life will be added!
                  That's just the power interferes.
                  1. +20
                    11 June 2020 14: 37
                    Well, centuries - not centuries, but a dozen years of a decent life, power takes from everyone. Ask what? Fear for the future - their own and children. We do not know what lies ahead. Fear not only corrodes the soul, but also takes away health. Any doctor will tell you this ...
                    Putin was once perceived as a guarantor of the future, but with a pension reform he hit the future in the back, and what should be expected from Putin in the future? Maybe the abolition of pensions in general? The promised 25 million high-tech jobs have melted away like morning haze in the rays of scorching reality. Remembering them is even somehow uncomfortable. But small and medium-sized businesses, which, having liberated themselves by law, could create them, as they were in the corral, remain. But against the backdrop of a declining economy and drooping optimism of the population, the oligarchs immoderately thrive. For example, last year I reported that with each barcode on Russian-made things, Usmanov will receive 0,5 rubles - the one that didn’t help a single ruble fight the coronavirus. I just took it and left for Uzbekistan. And now from July 1, it will suck out money from the Russian Federation, not cursed and not wrinkled ....
                    Or, for example, the same Potanin. Surely at least partially he will be reimbursed for money from the country's budget spent on the liquidation of the catastrophe created by him — such is the custom of fraternal relations between the oligarchs and the authorities. And what will be the psychological state of an ordinary person when planning a skinny family budget, before he read about Potanin's yachts?
                    "Anastasia", length 75,5 m
                    "Barbara" - 88,5 m
                    "Nirvana" - 88,5 m.
                    Potanin is a passionate yachtsman. We also have passions, but they are much more modest. Only Putin brought the state to that and arranged everything so that the more immodest passion and the more money its carrier has, the more state guarantees of its feasibility. Unrealized modest needs of the population are an additional guarantee of shortening the life of every ordinary person.
                    1. -14
                      11 June 2020 14: 50
                      Only you can make your worthy life with your knowledge, decisions and actions, no one else.
                    2. -19
                      12 June 2020 05: 24
                      Yes, my first comment against amendment trolling was quickly deleted without a trace! Democracy is seething! Let's deal with yachts - Who prevented you, gentlemen-fellow citizens without yachts, from wiggling your brains in the 90s, setting up a business, not sitting in the kitchen shaking for a place at work, waiting for your salary for months? Those who have yachts today not only have them, they have the flair of industrialists and businessmen, they build and produce, they give you a job and a salary. This is capitalism, and you all suppressed socialism, standing in the crowd at the White House, choosing with your heart or something else, EBN. Why now snapping teeth with envy? You are against the amendments - then you are in favor of gladly giving the Kuriles and Kaliningrad, Crimea and Kuban ... You are against the amendments and will not vote - then the laws of Russia will again turn out to be null and void against the "international" laws, which were not created and adopted by Russia. .... Won't you go to vote? Then in friendly rows behind the Samokhvalovs. You are against zeroing, but poke your finger at the one who can lead the country and further into the Great Leader making the country Great? I'm afraid you will get a situation again when sitting in the kitchen you will curse yourself ...
                      God gave Russia in the person of Putin a chance, do not ruin him this chance. There are a lot of talkers and talkers in Russia, they broadcast, all these "doctors of economics" who cannot be drawn to the real economy on a tether, who are the reincarnations of talkers and talkers of the Provisional Government of 17.
                      You, gentlemen, fellow citizens, are now blowing into your ears various sweet-voiced sirens something leading to great trouble. There is a signal in the Navy "Your course leads to danger!" - do not go the course of bulk, ksyusha, buffoons! Turn on your own brains!
                      1. +6
                        12 June 2020 12: 52
                        - Who prevented you, gentlemen, fellow citizens without yachts, from moving their brains in the 90s, starting a business, not sitting in the kitchen shaking for a place at work, waiting for months to get paid? .

                        1. For example age. Not everyone in the 90s could establish a business.
                        2. Some of those who embarked on the path of entrepreneurship in the 90s to 00s did not survive.
                        3. A good master / teacher / driver / seller is not equally a good entrepreneur.
                        Those who have yachts today, not only possess them, they possess the flair of industrialists and businessmen, they build and produce, they give you work and salary.

                        The owner also gives the slave food, shelter, protection from non-living standards. A slave under the lord can be sure of tomorrow. A good slave can become a master himself!
                        You are against the amendments - then you are in favor of gladly giving the Kuriles and Kaliningrad, Crimea and Kuban ... You are against the amendments and will not vote - then the laws of Russia will again turn out to be null and void against the "international" laws, which were not created and adopted by Russia. .... Won't you go to vote? Then in friendly rows behind the Samokhvalovs. You are against zeroing, but poke your finger at the one who can lead the country and further into the Great Leader making the country Great? I'm afraid you will get a situation again when sitting in the kitchen you will curse yourself ...

                        The classic "who is not with us is against us", do not look at life in black and white, the world is full of other colors and a bunch of shades.
                        Russia that distributes land to the right and left? No, then why register in the Constitution? Why can't you just pass a law on the priority of your law over international law, and not write it in the constitution. And part of Russian laws TODAY contradict the Constitution. Why cannot such laws continue?
                        God gave Russia in the person of Putin a chance, do not ruin him this chance. There are a lot of talkers and talkers in Russia, they broadcast, all these "doctors of economics" who cannot be drawn to the real economy on a tether, who are the reincarnations of talkers and talkers of the Provisional Government of 17.

                        Putin is not the only person in Russia, and Navalny is not the only alternative
                        You, gentlemen, fellow citizens, are now blowing into your ears various sweet-voiced sirens something leading to great trouble. There is a signal in the Navy "Your course leads to danger!" - do not go the course of bulk, ksyusha, buffoons! Turn on your own brains

                        And in the Navy there is no signal "enough to cut circles, decide on a course"?
                    3. 0
                      14 June 2020 11: 21
                      Everything is true, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, everything is true ...
                2. +1
                  11 June 2020 15: 08
                  It remains only to find out what kind of food is normal for which particular person. Talk about "normal" nutrition for an abstract "person" in an abstract "whole" Russia is more demagoguery than the electoral committee's.
                  1. -4
                    12 June 2020 02: 39
                    Uhh. Well, as it were, nutrition, doctors, calorie and vitamin calculations.
                    Finally, a Book About Delicious and Healthy Food.
                    On average, a man needs about 2700 kk, and it’s not a whole meal, vodka and yellow whales, but normal food, with the whole complex of proteins, fats, vitamins, fiber, etc.
                    Now most of the same musk in most calories comes from short sugars in the form of doshirak and vodka
                    1. -1
                      12 June 2020 12: 14
                      Well yes. No "normal" food exists in nature. There is food (with all its characteristics, including the mentioned calorie content), which is necessary for a specific person not only at a specific age, but even in a specific situation, taking into account his genetics, food culture, etc. "Normal food" = "average temperature in the hospital". All the reasoning about him and what he lacks (outside the conditions of mass famine like the events of 1892 or 1921-1922 - demagoguery based on emotions.
              2. +5
                11 June 2020 12: 00
                Quote: bar
                Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?

                "We believe that a deep political crisis has developed in the country, the essence of which is manifested in the failures of economic and social policies, the refusal of the authorities to provide economic assistance to citizens amid a pandemic, the growing impoverishment of citizens, and the intensification of police repression," the statement reads. more than two hundred people.

                Among them:

                writer Lyudmila Ulitskaya,
                film director Andrei Smirnov,
                People's Artist of the USSR Oleg Basilashvili,
                People's Artist of the Russian Federation Liya Akhedzhakova,
                musician Andrei Makarevich,
                Director Vladimir Mirzoev,
                People's Artist of the RSFSR Natalya Fateeva and others.

                Read more at https://www.pravda.ru/politics/1505497-obrashenie/ Some typically Russian surnames ... I don’t understand what Fateeva got stuck there! Gussky alone !!!
                1. +8
                  11 June 2020 12: 26
                  From that, the Gussians said about failures, does not mean that there are no failures.
                  Another thing, why did they say that? Have you attended to Russian troubles? I do not believe. They do not care about us. They want closer to the feeder.
                  That's how the truth becomes a lie.
                  1. 0
                    11 June 2020 15: 19
                    Yes, I don't care what the top ones are concerned about. They always take half a step in the right direction (a great example is the story from September 3). Those who can be brought in to replace them, trying to delegitimize the acting unpleasant personalities, will make them recall the "damned" regime with nostalgia. Or the story of 17 has long been recalled. There, too, everyone spat on the weak tsar (from Yusupov to Kornilov), and then either died or climbed out of the pit until the 1950s. If you want to go to the grave (if the next winners will honor you) - go ahead, just don't drag others. It is possible (and necessary) to change the system in Russia only from within and quietly. Although, beads to the sword in front of shpakovsky.
                    1. -3
                      11 June 2020 15: 30
                      Yes, you don’t need to throw the beads. It’s better to learn the story of how non-Shpakov’s overlooking everything that is possible.
                      1. -1
                        11 June 2020 15: 45
                        That's for me? Is there a scientific degree in history, buffoon?
                      2. -1
                        14 June 2020 19: 56
                        You.
                        Did you study history? Or just a guard duty charter, well-aimed bead thrower?
                        Let's compete in degrees.
                        Threat. I couldn’t answer before. Kartohu planted. Otherwise, I won’t survive the winter.
                      3. 0
                        17 June 2020 00: 47
                        Let's stretch, "teacher." K.I.N., Assoc., 40+ articles in peer-reviewed history books, 14 years old. work experience at the university from the five most popular in the country. I haven't planted potatoes for a long time - otherwise I won't survive the week, working around the clock.
                2. +5
                  11 June 2020 16: 06
                  Fateeva has been sitting in all kinds of anti-Putin committees for about 15 years.
              3. +7
                11 June 2020 16: 42
                So why trifle then? Let's remember back: thanks to Putin that we do not live in a cave and we are not eaten by saber-toothed tigers :)
              4. 0
                12 June 2020 19: 23
                Quote: bar
                Do you recall the democratic times of Mr. Yeltsin and Co.? And for you, the changes that have occurred since then are not noticeable?

                ===
                du.rak is rich in dummies, and eternally dissatisfied. do not be Putin, Vasin, Petin, we will heal, the "new and good" leaders will show up, we will not shit in the doorways, throw cigarette butts and garbage, drink less, work at work, observe the rules and laws, etc., etc.
            3. -13
              11 June 2020 11: 40
              Over the past five years, enough to carry all kinds of crap. drink less chemurgesa, less stagger around all kinds of vipers, such as various hookahs.
              1. +12
                11 June 2020 12: 34
                Yes, just a colleague 30 Vis is trying to distract us from the topic of amendments, leading us to the side of the national question. But the above list is indicative. "The creative intelligentsia, with a subtle instinct of the artist" having caught the trends of the time, or, more simply, holding their nose to the wind, rummaging through the forums, they revealed what the main conversation is now about, and, as always, appropriated the main messages for themselves, passing them off as their own and how would assign leadership in the process. We talked about the "advanced" Russian intelligentsia yesterday on the topic of the "grandiose artist" Mikhail Efremov. Let's not get distracted.
            4. -6
              11 June 2020 13: 20
              The truth in the people’s self-isolation was a slightly different problem: how not to gain excess weight. From malnutrition?
              1. +5
                11 June 2020 14: 56
                From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.
                1. -4
                  11 June 2020 15: 06
                  The key word is overeating. But not hunger.
                  1. +4
                    12 June 2020 00: 31
                    AS IVANOV: Eat pineapples, chew grouse, your last day comes bourgeois.
                    V.V. Mayakovsky
                2. +1
                  11 June 2020 19: 44
                  Quote: depressant
                  From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.
                  You are probably used to believe that happiness is in salmon caviar and jamon ... You still have bourgeois habits ... Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ... Yes, parmesan ordinary cheese .. Almost every inhabitant of Russia ate red caviar .. Jamon ... He lived happily without jamon, I will continue to live .. hi
                  1. +1
                    11 June 2020 20: 11
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with, fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ...

                    And also pancakes from a shovel are a miracle how good ...
                    1. -1
                      11 June 2020 20: 24
                      Quote: serpent
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      Ah, I like good freshly brewed strong sweet tea with, fresh bread and butter and salt with coarse gray salt ...

                      And also pancakes from a shovel are a miracle how good ...

                      I am sharing with you, a lover of pancakes with shovels, a Sevastopol recipe, a local lover of wine ... - the recipe for an interesting drink: “Cut off the top of a ripe melon, carefully clean out the middle. Pour into a melon a bottle of vintage Port of White Crimean (6 gold, 7 silver medals). Soak for 20-30 minutes. " To your health! hi
                      1. +1
                        11 June 2020 20: 28
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        interesting drink recipe

                        Why do I need such bourgeois recipes! I have a Hawthorn cocktail for my eyes ...
                      2. +1
                        11 June 2020 20: 30
                        Students like to drink so much port ... you drink hawthorn ...
                      3. +1
                        11 June 2020 20: 51
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Students like to drink so much port ... you drink hawthorn ...

                        Saso by itself. I’m not a student for a long time ...
                    2. -1
                      14 June 2020 19: 57
                      Pancakes with a shovel are a treat for puppies They orgasm about it.
                      1. +1
                        14 June 2020 20: 05
                        Actually, it was in the Stavropol Territory.
                      2. -1
                        14 June 2020 20: 09
                        So what?
                        Who from this orgasms? Stavropol people? Arkhangelogorodtsy? Irkutsk citizens?
                        No puppies. So whose national idea is this?
                        Envy. They are not so fed.
                      3. 0
                        14 June 2020 20: 13
                        Quote: Pereira
                        Envy. They are not so fed.

                        There is nothing to envy. I don’t know if this action was specially organized or out of stupidity, but they disgraced pretty much all over the world.
                3. +1
                  12 June 2020 19: 31
                  Quote: depressant
                  From overeating bread and sugar in tea and coffee, rather than salmon caviar, parmesan, jamon and other dishes. From lack of movement.

                  ===
                  somehow I don’t remember that the citizens of the USSR eats caviar, Parmesan, jamon and other dishes.
          3. +12
            11 June 2020 09: 22
            Ros 56, in fact, almost all deaths occur from oxygen deprivation of the brain (asphyxiation). Thus, no one directly dies from cancer either. As for death from starvation: from poor (malnutrition) nutrition, there is a disruption in the normal functioning of organs, immunity is deteriorating, a person is more and more sick. And there, and not far to death. At our entrance, a pensioner died in a hospital, where he was taken in an extremely exhausted state. As it turned out, despite having two children living in the same city, there was especially no one to feed him.
            By the way. Previously, there were social services workers whose duties included periodic visits to elderly pensioners to find out their needs and try to help with something, but then these workers were reduced (optimized), although they paid them very little.
            1. BAI
              +1
              11 June 2020 10: 41
              By the way. Previously, there were social services workers whose duties included periodic visits to elderly pensioners to find out their needs and try to help with something, but then these workers were reduced (optimized), although they paid them very little.

              Who told you this? And who did Putin meet with the other day? All these workers are now. But they must be ordered in Sobes (social security) and their services are paid.
              1. +1
                12 June 2020 02: 25
                Who told you this?

                this was said by a lady who ran on duty to pensioners in our house on duty. That was 7-8 years ago. And she said that they were cutting back, and those who were left behind would already be paid. I also recalled that for some time disabled pensioners were given food rations (cereals, sugar, cookies, and other trifles) by the holidays. Then they stopped.
            2. -11
              11 June 2020 11: 46
              Consequently, he died not from hunger, but from people with a goat upbringing. The subject is different from the goats man, that with obscenity, with discontent performs what he does not want at all, because he is called a man.
      3. +23
        11 June 2020 06: 52
        Or maybe instead of not ticking you, you will remove your DVR from the car and put it at your polling station. To fix that no one came to this farce. This action is completely legal for any citizen who is not even an observer. If you are prohibited in violation of the law, then you can fix everything at the entrance.
        Why do you think there will be no webcams at the polling stations on this "voting"?
        And where is the guarantee that you will throw the bulletin into one ballot box, and the votes will not be "counted" from another, prepared in advance according to a predetermined "turnout" percentage?
        SUCH FARS, AS SUGGESTED TO US, ONLY BOYBOT. VOTE YOUR FEET OR LOSE!
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 11: 53
          Quote: Old Tankman
          Why do you think there will be no webcams at the polling stations on this "voting"?
          And where is the guarantee that you will throw the bulletin into one ballot box, and the votes will not be "counted" from another, prepared in advance according to a predetermined "turnout" percentage?

          Why not? There is.
          Do not count from another. There are observers from public organizations for this. Which, incidentally, is not chosen by the PEC.
        2. -3
          11 June 2020 15: 03
          Do not worry, almost all of your against the amendments will not come to the vote - 40 percent of the total population will come and most of them will vote For. In Russia, there are always such elections “I don’t want to vote, I’m against, so I won’t go.” Then they start shouting “The elections are rigged.” And there is no need to look for a forgery here - they don’t go to the polls themselves and then wonder how they were chosen.
          1. +5
            11 June 2020 16: 49
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Russia, there are always such elections “I don’t want to vote, I’m against, so I won’t go.” Then they start shouting “The elections are rigged.” And there is no need to look for a forgery here - they don’t go to the polls themselves and then wonder how they were chosen.

            here I agree completely
          2. +1
            11 June 2020 20: 55
            Quote: Vadim237
            40 percent of the total population will come

            We removed the turnout percentage, and now we have such "elections" ... Very convenient.
            1. 0
              12 June 2020 20: 17
              Yes, one hell - whoever wants to vote and who does not want to stay at home.
          3. +2
            11 June 2020 22: 38
            In St. Petersburg, state employees are forced to come to the polls. Not on their own, but on the indicated ones, through public services, to take an absentee ballot. And yes, vote for what you want!
        3. +2
          12 June 2020 05: 46
          On all sites, video cameras (web cameras) have long been installed and everything is available online to everyone!
      4. for
        +16
        11 June 2020 07: 17
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        nobody ticked me for where I do not want.

        They don’t deliver, but they will count as they need.
        1. +14
          11 June 2020 08: 09
          146% has not been canceled
      5. +5
        11 June 2020 07: 19
        Your vote is important of course, it will be taken into account for the overall picture of the socio-economic situation. But the result will not be affected in any way.
      6. +16
        11 June 2020 09: 36
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        At least so that in my bulletin no ticks for me would not instruct where I do not want.

        Now it is not at all necessary to put a tick in your newsletter. The voting results are determined directly by the CEC. Moreover, the voting will be carried out both by mail and via the Internet. can you imagine how many letters, both simple and electronic, the CEC can send on our behalf to itself, especially since the "voting" is stretched out for a week. There has never been such room for falsification in world history. to you, Pamfilova openly said that the amendments to the Constitution are already actually legitimized. Thus, the only thing that the authorities are afraid of is a low turnout, although taking into account the above new ways of "voting", the turnout will be ensured. So, the only way we can express our protest is by leaving the polling stations empty. Let's buy a beer with fish and just watch this show.
      7. +9
        11 June 2020 10: 22
        In fact, though a ghostly choice, there is one.

        But in my opinion, there is no choice. Everything is decided, but this farce, for the sake of the legend of legitimacy ..
        For this reason, I personally will not spend time on this.
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 11: 54
          Well, like this...
          But then you can scream everywhere that you were deceived.
      8. +1
        11 June 2020 10: 58
        (9 I have to go, I agree. Although I would like no one ticks for me in my newsletter where I don’t want to) this is serious! good good
        1. +11
          11 June 2020 16: 22
          At least so that in my bulletin no ticks for me would not instruct where I do not want

          Colleague, and you are sure that they were not instructed before your arrival. And then, the results were actually announced, even the "footcloths" have already been printed. And your participation is needed only for legitimization. And then they will play a movie about mass approval on the duroscope, and it will absolutely not matter how you voted. Just a farce. They got their hands on it a long time ago, and the population is just bumps. It's time to draw conclusions.
    2. +11
      11 June 2020 05: 22
      It is necessary to boycott. For them, the main thing is for us to come. We need a picture for the whole world. And they will draw numbers for.
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 06: 53
        That's right, comrade!
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          1. +6
            11 June 2020 10: 46
            Speak correctly, because the USSR, too, was not at all "the USE generation" destroyed, "Boris fight", "Borya, we are with you," as I remember I want to spit!
            1. +4
              11 June 2020 11: 56
              Only the pupils of the best education in the world with the most just system in the world destroyed it.
              The rest are just as simpler, just quietly rejoicing at the TVs in the style of "Well, when Yeltsin comes, then we'll live."
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      2. +3
        11 June 2020 07: 48
        I agree to all 100! I haven’t gone twice already, and this time I won’t go! True, I think that for a picture of TV they will find whatever the most active district, the site and at rush hour, the correspondent will walk around and narrate:
        - ... here I am near one of the thousands of polling stations, as we all see, a lot of voters have come ...
        1. +2
          11 June 2020 09: 44
          For a picture, Crimea will be shown to them back to Ukraine, not hunting; there will be a turnout of almost 100%. (Russia, of course, will not give them anywhere without a constitution). You can show Chechnya there always 100% turnout. Here is a nice picture of the vote of a large multinational state.
        2. +10
          11 June 2020 10: 15
          I'm also thinking about going or not. But I am greatly embarrassed by the fact that I will find myself in the same company with those who write: "I shouldn't have argued with some patriots that there is no Nazism in the neighboring state." So you mister "red-skinned" still believe that there are no fascists in Ukraine?
          1. +2
            11 June 2020 10: 25
            To the extent that we are described by the media - no. Fascists, by the way, are 100 percent. You just may not be aware, but the Nazis and the Nazis are different concepts.
            Nationalism is present. Incidentally, he is akin to National Socialism. Sometimes manifested in a radical form. But so that to shout about him from the irons - I have not met and from relatives and friends I have not heard.
            But if you equate to such manifestations of zigzag and torchlight processions, then with the surprise of the Nazis you can find us.
            1. +3
              11 June 2020 12: 00
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              You just may not be aware, but the Nazis and the Nazis are different concepts.
              .

              This is how to understand the varieties of what is known. Both in color and in consistency.
              And the result is the same.
            2. DVR
              0
              11 June 2020 20: 11
              Ukraine is under external control, which can be discussed here. Fascization is not 100% conditional, because Ukraine is a manual state, and fascism is manual. Therefore, some criteria of fascism are not directly applicable. Now he will teach us the terms: fascism, nationalism, socialism, national socialism. In fact, this is a pathetic attempt to justify neo-Nazism in Ukraine and in general.
              But in such a way that I would not shout about him from the irons, I didn’t meet him and I didn’t hear from relatives and acquaintances. But if you equate to such manifestations zigging and torchlight processions, then with the surprise of the Nazis you can find us too.

              In Ukraine, this is the state level, where the Nazis are untouchable, they burn people in Odessa and do a lot of other things and go unpunished. And here they are marginalized and traitors who will not lift a finger openly, since there are enough men in Russia. They learn in narrow circles the precepts of Bandera), they are not capable of more, because the state is not fascist, unlike Ukraine. Show me examples from us. I have already shown the most "harmless" ones. Look again, your brothers are frolicking:
              https://vk.com/video163296047_168410119
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0Z_BomHI25E&feature=emb_title
      3. +12
        11 June 2020 08: 07
        Quote: Snark1876
        Need a picture for the whole world

      4. +9
        11 June 2020 08: 38
        Quote: Snark1876
        It is necessary to boycott. For them, the main thing is for us to come. We need a picture for the whole world. And they will draw numbers for.
        Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
        There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with ethical. In my opinion, it is quite obvious here. If you see a swindler in the market, then you understand that he cannot sit like this without a police or bandit "cover", and therefore it is pointless to call the police - this either will not affect the activities of the swindler and he will sit in his place, or at best he will change his location. Therefore, there is no rational choice, and the ethical one is just to pass by. A crook needs a crowd to get the attention of the stupid, greedy and greedy. The larger the crowd, the higher the likelihood that there will be "clients". Therefore, the ethical choice is not to create a crowd in front of the criminal, not to create a stir, not to attract the attention he needs so much.
        With Putin's vote, the picture is exactly the same. It will not be possible to change what is happening legally - it is naive to believe that this is so. But coming to the vote is giving it legitimacy. You came - it means that you already agree with the procedure against which you are trying to protest. Playing by the rules of a scammer, you lose anyway. Having sat down to play with a sharpie, you lose not when he takes your money, but when you sit down to play. https://el-murid.livejournal.com/4484226.html
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 09: 23
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
          There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with the ethical. In my opinion, it is quite obvious here. If you see a thimble-scammer in the market, then you understand

          and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?
          1. +9
            11 June 2020 11: 46
            Quote: Silvestr
            and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?
            In this particular case (voting on constitutional amendments), your parish does not solve anything, absolutely. Because it is precisely this vote that is held contrary to all laws. And by participating, you agree to this. Again, the situation about the sharpie above
            1. +7
              11 June 2020 16: 01
              And by participating, you agree to this. Again, the situation about the sharpie above

              I completely agree with you and the Author. Shulers always have patched cards. Participation in any form means consent to play according to their rules. with a known result.
          2. 0
            11 June 2020 12: 03
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
            There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with the ethical.

            Ага.
            "Vote with your heart"
            Nothing stupid and you can’t come up with.
          3. -5
            11 June 2020 12: 38
            Quote: Silvestr
            ... and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR ...

            "Sylvester", if Oblizyan is an authority for you, then ... consult with your colleagues, perhaps you can still be helped request
          4. DVR
            -4
            11 June 2020 20: 16
            and in the end, Murid said that Russia would end as the USSR. Sitting at home, will we repeat our story?

            Murid? Still Petrosyan quote)
        2. -1
          12 June 2020 00: 35
          ethical choice - not to create a crowd before the criminal, not to make a fuss, not to attract the attention he needs so much

          And if a thimble-cheater scoops up a naive provincial?
          Pass by? Or intervene? What will be your ethical choice?
          By the way, I warn you, although there are few bandits, they are well organized - you can even pay ... especially if you are alone ...
      5. -4
        11 June 2020 09: 21
        Quote: Snark1876
        It is necessary to boycott.

        And finally, the elders in the Kremlin, the monthly funeral and Swan Lake? No one ever achieved anything while sitting on the couch.

        Are you with them?
      6. +13
        11 June 2020 10: 23
        Snark1876, here I am a stateswoman. I always went to the polls, considering it my holy civic duty. And she voted for the president. But now the president, having made amendments to the law before the vote, wiped his feet about me. I am humiliated and insulted as a citizen of Russia. He didn’t have to do this with me!
        1. -5
          11 June 2020 12: 04
          No, it’s not so.
          "I myself am the daughter of an official, a stateswoman. Believe me, everything is not so simple here."
        2. -17
          11 June 2020 12: 35
          Quote: depressant
          I am humiliated and insulted as a citizen of Russia. He didn’t have to do this with me!

          Silently worry, why shout something like that ... your feet wiped on her, panimayte. This is not the President, they wiped the cockroaches. In the head which.
          1. +14
            11 June 2020 12: 47
            Golovan, you have chosen a very successful nickname. Nothing but woof-woof-woof.
            1. -14
              11 June 2020 12: 55
              Quote: AK1972
              Nothing but woof-woof-woof

              Quote: B. Okudzhava
              ... everyone hears how he breathes ...

              Pass by, they don’t feed here.
              1. +7
                11 June 2020 13: 42
                Who is it like? Your bowl is probably full and there are plenty of bones.
                1. -12
                  11 June 2020 13: 47
                  Quote: AK1972
                  Your bowl is probably full and there are plenty of bones

                  I earn my "bowl". And here I kick yours cleanly in my free time, while the authorities look to the side laughing

                  Quote: AK1972
                  Who is it like?

                  You - do not break off. I tell you, come in ... do not stand under the tap Yes
                  1. +7
                    11 June 2020 14: 42
                    I pass by. And if you have already choked from a bowl, climb into the booth and sleep there softly moaning, or you can knock (you are used to it). You think that only you are allowed to be rude on this site, for this they even give cardboard general epaulets.
                    1. -13
                      11 June 2020 15: 07
                      Quote: AK1972
                      You think that only you are allowed to be rude on this site

                      GYYYYY laughing good laughing

                      What is this?

                      Quote: AK1972
                      if you have already choked from a bowl, climb into the booth and sleep there softly moaning, or you can knock (you are used to it)

                      You are funny characters ... okay, live, not yet until you - work gets cold request
                      1. +5
                        11 June 2020 15: 52
                        Sorry, but I didn’t choose a nickname for you, would remain a cat as a Pallas and there would be no questions. Although this cat is also an interesting animal. at the sight of danger, he simply closes his eyes, thinking that since he does not see danger, then there is none.
                      2. -2
                        13 June 2020 09: 10
                        I’m already 5 years old, the meaning of this nickname (in fact the nickname) is haunting. In the Strugatsky, the Golovans were dismissive and dealt with people, considering themselves the highest race. If his dog, whom he barks at his neighbors (this character, mentioned it once) is called Jack, then this is generally in the field of psychiatry. Those. the subject considers the dog smarter than himself, and transfers its habits to communicate with humanity.
                        PS I don’t want to ask the subject myself, I’m afraid of rabies. And the answer of the sane, all the same, will not be.
                      3. -3
                        13 June 2020 09: 57
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        In the Strugatsky, the Golovans were dismissive and dealt with people, considering themselves the highest race

                        Not bad knowing everything written by the Strugatsky, I somehow do not recall such a thing ... it would not hurt to bring a reference, just to still look at least relatively decent Yes

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        I’m already 5 years old, the meaning of this nickname (in fact the nickname) is haunting

                        You almost guessed it - the nickname is "inspired" by the character from "Inhabited Island" and "Waves Extinguish the Wind" by the Strugatskys - there his name is Golovan Shchekn.

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        it's generally in the field of psychiatry

                        Accurate with the diagnoses - I caught the pre and for less wink

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        the subject considers the dog smarter than himself, and transfers his habits to communicate with humanity

                        It's funny And why did you decide that?

                        PS: if by "humanity" you mean local trolls, then you have a very wrong idea of ​​humanity. Buddy laughing
                      4. -3
                        13 June 2020 11: 06
                        1. When Shchekn with Max, walked around the city, half of the thoughts of the movie was about the inferiority of people. From memory, I will not quote, but there is https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD % D1% 8B
                        2.And I'm smart! good
                        3 and 4. It flows from n1 and the nickname. But I’ll take this phrase back, I didn’t finish Sylvester and didn’t finish honey, and I don’t hold psychiatry for science.
                        Question: Are there a few trolls then? Maybe this is a biased-strict attitude, incl. to small mistakes and errors of people. Am I a troll too? If so, on which (of the last laughing ) positions?
                      5. -3
                        13 June 2020 11: 50
                        [quote = Hypatius] When Schekn and Max walked around the city, half of the moviego’s thoughts were about the inferiority of people [/ quote]
                        You don't know the subject well: not with Max, but with Abalkin, to begin with. About "half thoughts" - also ... doubtful request

                        Well, the link to Vika is just Trade Mark laughing

                        [quote = Hypatius] Question: Are there a few trolls then? [/ quote]
                        A lot of. Personally, I know only a dozen large ones ... they have a good gain in terms of constant activity on the site. Clicks, ranking ... ads. money (the site cannot "live" without money) Yes

                        I can’t say that I like it, but the reason for the presence of this horse of Tingent is quite an objective one.

                        quote = Hypatius] Am I also a troll? [/ quote]
                        Answer yourself. As for me - you are from the agitators, and not very literate ... once, in the year 14, there was such a Uncle Joe. That - yes, there was a serious opponent, it was interesting to wrestle ... all the current ones in comparison with him are a small trifle request
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                  3. DVR
                    -5
                    12 June 2020 07: 44
                    And I kick yours purely in my free time, while the authorities look away

                    That damn thing, generally only out of work is obtained (with rare exceptions).
                    Respect, Golovan, one in the field is a warrior.
                    1. -5
                      13 June 2020 11: 05
                      Is it Golovan in the photo? Eagle! That is how I imagined him ... Fighting.
                      1. DVR
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 13: 43
                        And, of those, perhaps, trying to justify ukronazism) I think you know who is in the photo for any normal man - this is an example that should be followed. And here is a photo of someone with whom I would compare you, it’s even a shame to upload it.
                      2. -3
                        13 June 2020 15: 06
                        Quote: DVR
                        Ah, from these or something, trying to justify ukronacism)

                        What? Didn’t you leave yesterday’s celebration?
                        Quote: DVR
                        And here is a photo of someone with whom I would compare you, it’s even a shame to upload it.

                        Understand. I am ashamed to have a normal appearance in comparison with Apollo.
                      3. DVR
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 15: 21
                        What? Didn’t you leave yesterday’s celebration?

                        No, already gone. I looked at your comments, there you said everything. Even this one picture you posted here is enough.
                      4. -2
                        13 June 2020 15: 29
                        So what? How does this justify ukronacism? This is an illustration of propaganda, which to one degree or another is present in all countries. Learn at least to distinguish the minimum context, the eccentric person.
                      5. DVR
                        0
                        13 June 2020 15: 36
                        This is an illustration of propaganda, which to one degree or another is present in all countries.

                        These are all your comments - undisguised propaganda with a completely understandable context.
                      6. -2
                        13 June 2020 15: 38
                        Quote: DVR
                        These are all your comments - undisguised propaganda with a completely understandable context.

                        Propaganda of what? The Ukronazists? Find at least one such comment, and then throw out your fantasies. Frantic, delusional lies.
                      7. DVR
                        0
                        13 June 2020 15: 44
                        I have already cited above. Everything is depicted in great detail, to the smallest detail. It was possible to illustrate propaganda in another way, but of course, this is your business.
                      8. -2
                        13 June 2020 15: 53
                        Quote: DVR
                        It was possible to illustrate propaganda in another way.

                        Yes, at least show someone like you a Chihuahua, you will see the machinations of the "Gasdep" and the Ukrobanderites in this.
                      9. DVR
                        0
                        13 June 2020 15: 56
                        This is not like chihuahua.
                      10. -3
                        13 June 2020 16: 03

                        Quote: DVR
                        This is not like chihuahua.

                        And even less, it seems like an adequate dialogue ... Bye!
                      11. DVR
                        +2
                        13 June 2020 17: 48
                        And even less, it seems like an adequate dialogue ... Bye!

                        This character is not interesting to me, I will not even look. Of course, the dialogue does not shine, because proving to a troll that he is a troll is a futile occupation. Almost all your comments, all this hopeless negativity and a number of hackneyed cliches are written with quite obvious goals - to induce the people to participate in the forceful dismantling of the current government with all the ensuing consequences. This is definitely a Russophobic position, and such stubborn defense of it betrays you a troll. And the use of such proprietary revolutions for ukrotrolly "Has gone through with the boyar or what?" and the above pictures, as it were, hints ... Of course, I cannot prove it, and therefore I will not argue. I will just stick to my opinion. While.
                      12. -4
                        13 June 2020 21: 25
                        For you, leavened patriots, all who do not fight in paroxysms of hatred for the world around them, and all who do not praise Putin day and night are trolls, Ukronazis and Russophobes. With such a worldview, you will have a hard time in the future. I have not encouraged anyone to "force dismantling" and am not going to. Just giving my opinion. Just like you - yours. Well, if you don't like what someone says about the problems in Russia, you know the way. Site "Made by us". There is a sea of ​​positive and Russophilia. Everything as you love.
                      13. DVR
                        +2
                        13 June 2020 21: 44
                        Oh-oh-oh, cry some more. How touchy and harmless we are. It was especially difficult with my worldview in the 90s, now it is easier. That is why I know what this relative stability is worth in the country, and how easy it is to lose it, what people like you contribute to. What's wrong with the site "Made by us" and others like it? Can you dispute the information about hundreds of opening enterprises that is stated there? Sometimes I go to such sites, I get positive) And here I referred to them. It seems like you said goodbye, you said "bye", me too, why start again. All remained with their own.
                      14. -2
                        13 June 2020 22: 12
                        Quote: DVR
                        what is this relative stability in the country

                        This "relative stability" costs us a decent future.
                        Quote: DVR
                        and how easy it is to lose it, which people like you contribute to.

                        You flatter me, Andryusha. People who are smarter and more talented than me cannot stir people up at least peacefully to talk about pension reform. Where am I going? Yes, and such a task does not stand before me. As I wrote: my comments are just IMHO.
                      15. DVR
                        +2
                        13 June 2020 22: 35
                        You flatter me, Andryusha.

                        Wrong name or addressee, apparently a name.
                        Without this stability, there is no future at all, there are many examples, the closest and freshest you know. The result is impressive, and this is far from the end.
                        People who are smarter and more talented than me cannot stir people up at least peacefully to talk about pension reform.

                        The fact of the matter is that very smart, very talented people with huge resources are doing this very seriously. And people like you are just entry-level performers, of which there are a lot of people on the network on different resources, which gives a tangible effect during organized work.
                      16. -2
                        13 June 2020 22: 43
                        Quote: DVR
                        Wrong name or addressee, apparently a name.

                        I was not mistaken. I just had to name you. Well, not a DVR, is it? What does this even mean? I thought that "Andryusha" would do.
                        Quote: DVR
                        Without this stability, there is no future at all,

                        And you also wrote something about my "hopeless negativity" ... For people like you, every change is sure to be for the worse. Do you like cemeteries? Everything is very stable there. Quiet and smooth ...
                        Quote: DVR
                        tangible effect

                        How is it expressed? Everyone is sitting on the sofas. As if someone "above" did not play tricks.
                      17. DVR
                        +2
                        13 June 2020 23: 03
                        Well, he said that he didn’t look like an adequate dialogue, but it was overwhelming. But it must be finished. I said above that there is no way for a troll to prove that he is a troll - it makes no sense. Well, if he is not at all a stupid person, one of these days one uncovered such a thing. But the admin quickly deleted it, with my answers (they only remained in my profile, but disappeared on the branch). He also began to tell me about the "boyar" and other nonsense. The nerves of the common warrior could not resist. You understand everything, Sergei, there is no point in pouring from empty to empty. And about "For people like you, every change is certainly for the worse." you also understand everything perfectly. And about the tangible effect. It is good that "everyone is sitting on the sofas as they are." People feel subcortex that it is better not to "rock", in spite of all the existing shortcomings and problems, of which there are plenty. Many are still fresh in their memory. I can't spend so much time in discussion with you, there are other things to do, although I got some pleasure. Maybe another time we'll meet here, we'll talk)
                      18. DVR
                        +3
                        13 June 2020 23: 05
                        from filters here, replaced "moron" with "stupid person") well, a literary word, a medical term.
                      19. 0
                        13 June 2020 23: 13
                        Quote: DVR
                        from filters here

                        These are seeds laughing

                        Would you try a couple of years ago to mention the comrade of Gay-Lussac here ... it was really funny belay laughing
                      20. DVR
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 23: 23
                        Imagine :) Yes, harsh filters, not always correct. But, we must pay tribute, the admin fixes it slowly.
                      21. -4
                        13 June 2020 23: 25
                        Quote: DVR
                        we must pay tribute, admin fixes slowly

                        Test: aftor = author -> author -> author

                        In the word on the left, the 1st letter is Latin. To the right was the same word, entirely in Cyrillic feel

                        An old, famous bug. Domestic animal, practical ...
                      22. -2
                        13 June 2020 23: 09
                        Quote: DVR
                        Also about the "boyar"

                        As for the "boyars" or pancakes with a shovel ... I think that these Russian vices should be ridiculed. Any stupidity and stupidity (and in Russia there is enough of this good), you need to joke so that it would be discouraging to multiply them. And this is not at all ukrotroll turnovers. But here's the trouble: - hurray-patriots in their blinkered state are ready to defend even such shameful things. That's why they are jingoistic patriots, of course.
                      23. DVR
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 23: 19
                        It's not even about the "boyar";
                        And this is not ukrotrollskie turnovers.

                        Serezha, you know that this is not so) These are exclusively ukrotrollskie turns, which is clear to anyone who was on ukroresursov. They are still very popular there. Okay, good night, it's late already.
                      24. -2
                        13 June 2020 23: 24
                        Quote: DVR
                        This is exclusively ukrotrollskie turnovers, which is clear to anyone who was on ukroresursov.

                        It can be assumed that you have not been to YouTube and VKontakte. Had visited, would have seen memes about the same boyar, and so categorically would not have written ...
                        What can I say, here is a video about the rally (prank), where the boyars are mentioned in a humorous manner. 42nd video clip:
            2. +3
              11 June 2020 14: 47
              Say it! What about whining?))
        3. -5
          11 June 2020 15: 07
          Well it is necessary how it is easy to humiliate and insult you.
    3. -20
      11 June 2020 05: 50
      I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.
      1. -35
        11 June 2020 06: 24
        This article is a recognition of defeat! I agree - you (I’m the author of the article) lose! I am sure that the People of Russia will vote for amendments to the Constitution, and thereby inflict a devastating blow on Westerners and teachers who want to ruin our State.
        1. +18
          11 June 2020 06: 46
          Quote: Valery Valery
          I’m sure the people of Russia will vote for amendments to the Constitution, and thereby

          Sign a death sentence for himself.
          1. -26
            11 June 2020 07: 01
            Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss. Yes, and you look at them.
            1. +9
              11 June 2020 07: 13
              Quote: Ros 56
              Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss. Yes, and you look at them.

              I am very sorry hi but how did your logical thinking rank me as a liberal edrosin? belay
              I will ask you a simple question, describe the political creed of Solovyov-Shapiro.
              1. -13
                11 June 2020 07: 18
                Is always. Of 12 chairs. lol
                Read your post above, this is where about the death sentence and immediately everything will be clear.
                1. +17
                  11 June 2020 07: 29
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  Is always. Of 12 chairs. lol
                  Read your post above, this is where about the death sentence and immediately everything will be clear.

                  I repeat, more than 200 thousand people died in the Russian Federation this year, and you want to get into these statistics? I don’t!
                  PS. If I hate this power, it absolutely does not mean that I am a Westerner or a liberoid. hi
                  1. -10
                    11 June 2020 07: 32
                    But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?
                    1. +11
                      11 June 2020 07: 44
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?

                      Everything is absolutely comparable with the 2000s and these same 2000s are just a continuation of the 90s, this is ebony Putinism. hi
                      1. -9
                        11 June 2020 07: 59
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Everything is absolutely comparable to 2000 mi

                        Lying.
                        And you yourself are aware that others understand this.
                        Not ashamed?
                      2. -3
                        11 June 2020 12: 35
                        40-45 million people died in the 90s ... negative
                      3. +5
                        11 June 2020 12: 46
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        40-45 million people died in the 90s ...

                        JUMP ????? belay Why not 245 ???
                        According to the latest census, about 146 million people lived in the RSFSR!
                        Then take Rossstat and count. Under half-way, an unnatural population decline + emigration in some years exceeded losses under its boss and was compensated since 2010 due to frantic migration.
                      4. PIT
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 11: 25
                        Of course you know better from zhmerenki .... https://topwar.ru/123480-90-e-stoili-rossii-pochti-10-mln-zhizney-demograficheskoe-issledovanie.html but this is an article from the same site, though then he was already liberally directed ....
                        In general, liberalism should be banned and equated with Nazism .... 10 million is not enough ....
                      5. -4
                        11 June 2020 14: 03
                        What are you so primitive and stupid? Or want to repeat the path of the former USSR? Without Putin would be repeated.
                    2. AUL
                      +17
                      11 June 2020 12: 22
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?

                      And in 1861? Still not tired of nodding to the 90s? The current guarantor has been in power for 20 years - this is a huge time for the leader of the country! Compare 45 - 65 years, also 20 years. And now they continue to destroy and plunder what was left from the USSR to the beginning of 2000 and to produce billionaires.
                      1. -16
                        11 June 2020 12: 43
                        Quote from AUL
                        now they continue to destroy and plunder what remained of the USSR

                        When will you calm down already, accountant? laughing

                        The country works, unlike the same 90s, when everything was standing ... everything was everything, and unlike the 80s, when nobody needed anything (all paths were open for us - we’re equally divided where to go ) ...

                        Open your eyes, look around ... agitanter Yes
                      2. AUL
                        +12
                        11 June 2020 12: 55
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        When will you calm down already, accountant?

                        Are you rude, sir? Looks like my "bookkeeping" has touched me! Well, and I will answer rudeness in the same way (I do not like this, well, with boors there is no other way):
                        When will you calm down already, general broiler? Save your arrogance unreasonable for something else!
                      3. -17
                        11 June 2020 13: 00
                        Quote from AUL
                        Looks like my "bookkeeping"

                        Rather laugh.

                        Quote from AUL
                        general broiler

                        I am older. And enough for me. Cardboard epaulettes - nothing.

                        Quote from AUL
                        Save your arrogance unreasonable for something else

                        Better on the topic, say a thread ... accountant.

                        - in the eighties, the country stood still, and thought - whether to fall, or well, what for
                        - In the 90s, it fell. And it hurt really
                        - now - revived. And he will live on, with inevitability.

                        Objections, motivated - is there? Accountant? wink
              2. -5
                11 June 2020 12: 06
                Quote: Malyuta
                I strongly apologize for hi, but how did your logical thinking rank me as a liberal squad?

                Both you and they are strongly against power. And you and they do not believe in the justice of the vote, shout about the deception of the people, urge to boycott the vote. Both you and them urgently need to remove the power.
                So where to rank you?
                1. +3
                  11 June 2020 12: 36
                  The post-Soviet period is throughout the Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors, where everything is perverted, where there is nothing normal. Now, if everything was logical in the USSR - there were both opponents and supporters of the existing power and the System, then after the capture of the USSR by its opponents, the supporters of the USSR became opponents of the existing power and the System, and the same opponents of the USSR, equally hating everything Soviet, equally for The system they established after their capture of the USSR / Russia is portrayed among themselves as "the struggle of the Nanai boys." And those opponents of the USSR, who are in power and for power, give them to the supporters of the USSR "and you are the same as they are."
                2. +2
                  11 June 2020 12: 55
                  Kart, liberals, having a voice in the official media, put forward our demands there, passing them off as their own, and thereby replace us. After shouting, they in the same media continue to go on a deal with the authorities, spreading their hands. Like, they did their best in the struggle for national happiness, but despite our big names and titanic efforts, alas, it didn’t work out. So, you can continue to not rock the boat. If it didn’t work out with us, you won’t get it all the more. And it worked so far!
            2. +12
              11 June 2020 09: 25
              Quote: Ros 56
              Rather, it will be a death sentence to the liberals, as they and their curators from the west began to fuss

              sick of your wordplay. You do not know who the main liberal of the country? Tired of his upright confession hanging from YouTube
              1. +1
                11 June 2020 12: 08
                You call him the main liberal. Liberals call him a dictator.
                But both of them together want a bloody change of power, urgently.
                We, ordinary citizens, are not very interested in the nuances of your terminology. The main thing for us is what you all want together.
                1. +5
                  11 June 2020 16: 44
                  Quote: Carte
                  You call him the main liberal.

                  I don’t call him, obviously you didn’t listen to him
              2. -11
                11 June 2020 13: 05
                Quote: Silvestr
                sick of your pun

                And from his - is not sick? Doctor? wink

                Oh yes, I forgot ... mine - it smells like violets laughing
                1. +6
                  11 June 2020 16: 45
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  it smells like violets

                  in a psychiatric hospital, too, smelled of violets?
                  1. -9
                    11 June 2020 16: 48
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    in a psychiatric hospital, too, smelled of violets?

                    What are you doing there? Have you changed your specialization?
                    1. +4
                      11 June 2020 16: 59
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      What are you doing there?

                      this is for you .Jack, it smelled of violets. You are a specialist in mental hospitals.
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Have you changed your specialization?

                      The student's course includes "psychiatry"
                      1. -8
                        11 June 2020 17: 19
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        this is for you .Jack, it smelled of violets. You're a specialist in mental hospitals

                        Fi, doctor ... I don’t know what kind of doctor you are, but you are extremely clumsy troll request

                        For such cases, there is a good rule - "if you don't know how, don't take it." wink
        2. +2
          11 June 2020 06: 48
          Nus will not immediately cause unfortunately, but it will be a step forward. Changes are needed in chapter one, the one that USAID wrote. The adoption of amendments by the people, will make it possible, there will be another vote.
          1. +5
            11 June 2020 08: 31
            Changes are needed in chapter one,

            DO NOT.
            Amendments cannot be introduced in chapters 1,2 and 9.
            Only accept a new one.
            According to Art. 135 chapters 9 of the Constitution.

            Text Art. 135 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the current version for 2020:
            1. The provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised Federal Assembly.

            2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is supported three fifths votes of the total number of members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, then in accordance with federal constitutional law The Constitutional Assembly is convened.

            3. Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or is developing a draft new Of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the votes of the total number of its members or submitted to popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation shall be considered adopted if, for it over half voted voters who participated in the vote, provided that it took more than half participation voters.
            1. +2
              11 June 2020 15: 38
              The current amendments to the package also could not be introduced. Contributed
          2. -3
            13 June 2020 09: 22
            Yeah, in 1993 I was also waiting for a second vote. He was even promised on TV when they called for the first. Case 1: 1.
            Result? Organization of a new 25 year trust. Only instead of the trust "rf", the trust "russia", the coat of arms has already been changed. You only need 50% +, and the 90th will seem like heaven.
        3. Qas
          +17
          11 June 2020 07: 08
          Westerners, as you put it, are in the Kremlin and do not console yourself with illusions. And do not speak for all the people. We, living in the Far East, have already expressed our word and did not let go edro. I hope July 01 will also be
          1. -21
            11 June 2020 07: 37
            Quote: Qas
            Westerners, as you put it, are in the Kremlin and do not console yourself with illusions. And do not speak for all the people. We, living in the Far East, have already expressed our word and did not let go edro. I hope July 01 will also be

            You are for the Far East, do not open your mouth! Khabarovsk citizen, or what? What didn’t you let there?
            1. Qas
              +6
              11 June 2020 10: 07
              Who are you to tell me what to do?
              1. -11
                11 June 2020 11: 06
                Quote: Qas
                Who are you to tell me what to do?

                And who are you to harness for the Far East? Another bot? Born in 2018. You are about the Far East, not in the tooth with a foot. NIFIGA do not know.
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          2. +2
            11 June 2020 15: 40
            Communists who vote with the liberals and at the same time do not fight the bourgeoisie through expropriation - the lions of the Mosfilm desert)))
        4. +14
          11 June 2020 07: 11
          Quote: Valery Valery
          on Westerners and fidelities
          They are sitting in the Kremlin and the State Duma, didn’t you know?
          1. -2
            11 June 2020 12: 10
            Seriously?
            And we thought that only on the Internet.
        5. -7
          11 June 2020 08: 11
          Quote: Valery Valery
          This article is a recognition of defeat!

          Rather, an attempt to ascribe to itself more "supporters".
          They thus try to write down all those who do not care about the results as opponents of the amendments.

          I officially declare: this is not so. Personally, I am indifferent to the results, and there is no need to cheat with attempts to sign me up as a boycott because of disagreement.

          Otherwise I will go and vote, and yes, because lying hates me ....

          Ps Maybe this is what you are achieving?
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 12: 11
            Wow, the mode is insidious.
            But I believe in you.
        6. +20
          11 June 2020 08: 21
          Quote: Valery Valery
          This article is a recognition of defeat!

          This article is a statement of fact. The fact that those who disagree with the authorities on any one will be defeated by the vote. Because even if 99% vote against, the result will still be in favor.
          Quote: Valery Valery
          and thereby inflict a crushing blow on the Westerners

          And let me clarify which ones? Is it not by accident that, under pathetic speeches about patriotism, send children to study in Paris, buy up mansions in London and withdraw money to offshore in the Bahamas? Remind about the daughter of Lavrov, well, just an ardent patriot of Russia? Having studied exclusively in the usa and married a bureaucrat from the morgan, they moaned? Or about a no less ardent patriot of a zakharova who publicly crucifies her tender love for New York?
          1. +1
            11 June 2020 12: 13
            Are we forbidden to love another city besides Moscow?
            And yes, why are you not writing about ardent oppositionists about children and real estate abroad?
            And she is, and how.
            These are the very ones who are for everything good.
            1. +2
              11 June 2020 15: 21
              "Oppositionists" are, at least, not officials fighting with the West for "our happiness"
            2. +2
              11 June 2020 15: 22
              So why did you jump the daughter of laurel in the comment?
        7. +8
          11 June 2020 09: 02
          The people may vote "for", only Westerners and liberals will perceive this not as a crushing blow to them, but as a long-awaited informational reason for intensified persecution of the remnants of the Soviet in the minds of the population and the economic order in the form of state property. The champagne will be uncorked! Remember, our president is a liberal.
        8. -4
          11 June 2020 12: 29
          I will vote for amendments to the Constitution. The colonial constitution of Gaidar and Chubais, written in Washington, in the trash ...
      2. -21
        11 June 2020 08: 13
        I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.


        I support, I will also vote for the amendments, liberals and pseudo-communists let them moan further.
        1. -13
          11 June 2020 08: 40
          The Communists and the Liberals, it’s the same now. Their main criterion is to outline the pseudo facts in the right direction. You are completely right. I support you.
          1. -2
            11 June 2020 12: 18
            This whole army of accusers does not understand a simple thing.
            The time for revolution has not come. The very people for which they are so worried are still quite far from the line when they can take to the streets.
            Even in '98, almost no one came out, and then the country almost died. Why what, even in 91 again few came out.
            Their lamentation about disasters in the information world is easily verified, and as a rule they turn out to be completely untrue.
            As a result, the screams are getting more and more furious, the people's disbelief in them is growing. As in a fairy tale about a boy who loved to shout "wolves!" for any reason.
            The fate of the "red" project to overthrow the government, as well as the "liberal" one, will fail.
            And so it will be if REALLY big problems do not happen.
      3. 0
        11 June 2020 10: 15
        Likewise. I will vote "For" Unlike many, I always go to the polls.
        1. -2
          11 June 2020 12: 13
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Unlike many, I always go to the polls.

          What kind of elections are these, if "many" do not go to them?
        2. +4
          11 June 2020 15: 32
          I understand correctly that as soon as they accept, for example, the amendment on children, the next day we will not see more collecting money for the treatment of children, and the state will immediately allocate money?
          Or zilch again?
      4. +3
        11 June 2020 12: 14
        Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        I will vote for amendments to the Constitution.

        In vain. Then conscience torment.
        1. -4
          11 June 2020 13: 46
          Take care of your conscience; I don’t need my opinion in teachers.
        2. +3
          11 June 2020 15: 24
          By definition, conscience cannot torture such
      5. -4
        11 June 2020 15: 10
        I will vote for the same - and let all these houses sit with their rightness and long pride.
      6. -2
        11 June 2020 16: 15
        I will also come and vote for.
    4. +5
      11 June 2020 06: 43
      I’m also going to vote against - this is just the only legal chance to protest for what this government has been doing since 2018. hi
      1. -7
        11 June 2020 07: 39
        Quote: prapor55
        I’m also going to vote against - this is just the only legal chance to protest for what this government has been doing since 2018. hi

        What is power doing? May I have a closer look?
        1. +8
          11 June 2020 07: 43
          Are you short of taxes or are you happy with the pension reform?
          1. -18
            11 June 2020 07: 51
            Quote: prapor55
            Are you short of taxes or are you happy with the pension reform?

            Show me a country where taxes are less. And then you just ruined the air.
            1. +15
              11 June 2020 08: 26
              Quote: letinant
              Show me a country where taxes are less.

              USA for example. China, England, France, Germany. Enough? If not, open the list of EU countries and read there. True, a small clarification. There are less taxes for the poor, but more for the rich. However, you are stoking for the right of the oligarchs to eat caviar in barrels, and you hate those who want to limit them to at least buckets. Is not it?
              1. -1
                11 June 2020 08: 38
                Are there less taxes in France, or in England?
                1. bar
                  +6
                  11 June 2020 10: 11
                  Are there less taxes in France, or in England?

                  He forgot about racing Monsieur Depardieu with "Russian citizenship" for a 75% tax evasion in blessed France.
                  1. +4
                    11 June 2020 15: 27
                    And Depardieu is precisely the poor citizen he is talking about !?
                    "True, a small clarification. There are fewer taxes for the poor, but more for the rich."
                    Or are you just distorting intentionally?
                2. +9
                  11 June 2020 10: 23
                  Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
                  Are there less taxes in France, or in England?

                  For the poor? Definitely less. In France, with an income of up to 10.000 euros, the tax rate is zero point zero. By the way. 10.000 euros per year is significantly higher than the average RF wage in the Russian Federation. Yeah. But at 150 thousand and above it will be 45%. So yes. Russian tax legislation is one of the most loyal in the world to the rich, and extremely ruthless to the poor.
                  1. bar
                    +5
                    11 June 2020 10: 34
                    For the poor? Definitely less.

                    Here I agree. Lumpen there generally live in subsidies for generations. But this does not save from pogroms / fires / yellow vests, which these lumpens regularly arrange.
              2. -11
                11 June 2020 09: 24
                There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them there is an analogue of our VAT (and the most interesting, it is absent in the legislation but has been collected from all sales since 1911). France, income tax 40% of income, for all salts of the population (and therefore on strike, yellow vests). The situation is approximately the same in Britain, so people save on everything. YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information. It does not color you.
                1. +16
                  11 June 2020 10: 32
                  Quote: letinant
                  There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them an analogue of our ND

                  Laponka. Do not lie insolently. There is no VAT equivalent in the USA. There is a sales tax. But even if you do not touch that it is, on average, 3.5-4 times lower than our VAT, then ... He also has nothing to do with it. Yeah. Sales tax is local tax, state tax and below. And he is extremely selective. Say in a nude they are not subject to cheap clothes and shoes, but for gold and pants, please be kind to pay 9%. A kind of hello there Abramovich and vrotenberg. In Maryland, buy tax-free potatoes and chicken, at least in the store in the makdak, but in the pathos restaurant, for them, pay 8%. Hello again to the local Sechin and Deripaska.
                  Quote: letinant
                  France, 40% income tax on income, for all salts of the population

                  Laponka. Can i ask you? Mom did not teach you as a child that lying is not good? Or did you simply score on morality? 2 / 3-3 / 4 of the population of France do not pay income at all, or pay 14% against ours 13. And yes. There is a reason for rebellion. And here ... To rant about our good life.
                  Quote: letinant
                  YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information.

                  Laponka. I just scoop up information from normal sources, and not from the delirium of clowns such as sand and * boulin. Which I wish you too. For seeing the world through the lies of the Kremlin bots ... This is sad.
                  1. -8
                    11 June 2020 11: 03
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Quote: letinant
                    There are 72 taxes in the USA, among them an analogue of our ND

                    Laponka. Do not lie insolently. There is no VAT equivalent in the USA. There is a sales tax. But even if you do not touch that it is, on average, 3.5-4 times lower than our VAT, then ... He also has nothing to do with it. Yeah. Sales tax is local tax, state tax and below. And he is extremely selective. Say in a nude they are not subject to cheap clothes and shoes, but for gold and pants, please be kind to pay 9%. A kind of hello there Abramovich and vrotenberg. In Maryland, buy tax-free potatoes and chicken, at least in the store in the makdak, but in the pathos restaurant, for them, pay 8%. Hello again to the local Sechin and Deripaska.
                    Quote: letinant
                    France, 40% income tax on income, for all salts of the population

                    Laponka. Can i ask you? Mom did not teach you as a child that lying is not good? Or did you simply score on morality? 2 / 3-3 / 4 of the population of France do not pay income at all, or pay 14% against ours 13. And yes. There is a reason for rebellion. And here ... To rant about our good life.
                    Quote: letinant
                    YOU ARE NEXTLY Lying or do not own the information.

                    Laponka. I just scoop up information from normal sources, and not from the delirium of clowns such as sand and * boulin. Which I wish you too. For seeing the world through the lies of the Kremlin bots ... This is sad.

                    Well then, I will call you, BELL. BELLER, I hope the tax service of these countries is enough. Plus the Fed, plus the IMF. BELL, read, at least in translation, you might become smarter. And then, DZIN, DZIN, DZIN. There is a lot of sound, ZERO sense.
                    1. +5
                      11 June 2020 15: 35
                      That is, you have nothing to answer in fact?
                      1. -3
                        11 June 2020 16: 05
                        Quote: Revival
                        That is, you have nothing to answer in fact?

                        I have already answered.
              3. 0
                11 June 2020 12: 40
                And why did Gerarushka Depardieu move to Mordovia and get citizenship ?? Taxes ?? wassat
                1. +3
                  11 June 2020 13: 51
                  Does he pay taxes in Mordovia?
                  1. -3
                    12 June 2020 14: 20
                    Gaidar's Nonstitution in the trash negative
              4. -1
                12 June 2020 06: 06
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                USA for example. China, England, France, Germany.

                They made fun! In the United States, taxes for the middle class were lowered only under Trump, but in addition to the federal tax there is a state tax, very many cities and "counties" have their own taxes, there is a trade tax that varies from state to state, for example, in Chicago 10 percent, in addition, deductions for social pension in the future and health insurance in the future, but union members also pay a healthy union fee ... and federal taxes are deducted from pensions too. Something like that in other countries.
            2. +9
              11 June 2020 09: 35
              Quote: letinant
              Show me a country where taxes are less.

              show the country that raised taxes during a pandemic. Except Russia, of course
              1. +7
                11 June 2020 10: 59
                Saudi Arabia
                1. 0
                  11 June 2020 15: 36
                  In a good row are Arabs of Zimbabwe and so on.
                  Tse achievement!
                  1. +4
                    11 June 2020 20: 45
                    Okay, have they raised them in Britain yet, is the row fairly level now?
              2. +2
                11 June 2020 13: 52
                What is the tax raised in Russia? The so-called social tax was reduced from 31 to 15 percent.
              3. +1
                11 June 2020 16: 03
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: letinant
                Show me a country where taxes are less.

                show the country that raised taxes during a pandemic. Except Russia, of course

                What tax was raised in Russia?
                1. +1
                  11 June 2020 16: 42
                  Quote: letinant
                  What tax was raised in Russia?

                  on deposits
                  1. +3
                    12 June 2020 01: 26
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: letinant
                    What tax was raised in Russia?

                    on deposits

                    So this is a tax for the rich! You have a contribution of more than 1 million rubles and from it you receive an annual income of more than 60 thousand rubles. ? Are you almost all here for justice? Or is it just idle chatter?
                  2. 0
                    12 June 2020 06: 07
                    They made me laugh, my friend! Here the audience probably doesn’t know such a word!
                  3. -2
                    12 June 2020 14: 22
                    The Constitution of Gaidar Guanno
                  4. -3
                    12 June 2020 14: 24
                    Sylvester, are you Jewish by mother ???
                  5. -4
                    12 June 2020 14: 31
                    Sylvester, and ideologically a Jew? Are we goyim for you? Worse than animals? Yum-yum like hawai, "tofarisch toktor"
                  6. -3
                    12 June 2020 14: 44
                    Tukhtor, you don’t have enough type of masks ... Bloody red does not give wassat So funny to read your liberoid exhaust
            3. +2
              11 June 2020 15: 28
              Show me a country where the rich have a lower tax rate than the poor? (From the same set of countries, not from Africa).
              Or merge?
    5. +7
      11 June 2020 07: 20
      Quote: Far In
      Exclusively my imha: go to vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good in them is killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the newsletter, and even more so to sit at home - to play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their fi, falsifying elections (yes, any voting) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where the candidates from EdRa flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye then the authorities insolently did everything in their own way, but that is ...

      The people showed their phi before the 18th, back in the XNUMXs, and then they removed the candidate "against everyone", and then canceled the minimum turnout percentage
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    7. +2
      11 June 2020 09: 14
      Quote: Dalny V
      ... go to vote on any need. "Against".

      Vchre accidentally turned on Solovyov - there was one expert crucified. that the opposing agents of America. That is why it is necessary to go to vote and precisely "Against". Unless you want a continuation of the tale for a handful led by a guarantor.
      1. +8
        11 June 2020 09: 47
        Dear Sylvester, the rules of the game are such that it does not matter whether you vote for or against. The fact of your arrival means that you are not against zeroing.
        1. -4
          11 June 2020 16: 24
          For example, I really do not mind zeroing. And now what?
          1. +2
            11 June 2020 16: 47
            Quote: Sergej1972
            For example, I really do not mind zeroing

            and I am against
            Quote: Sergej1972
            And now what?
            1. -2
              12 June 2020 06: 09
              Who would doubt that! Go and check the box.
      2. +5
        11 June 2020 09: 54
        A colleague, the continuation of the tale is guaranteed by the guarantor. Here the issue of discussion can already be called closed. The voting will end with approximately the same result as the election of 18, regardless of whether we go and vote against or ignore this lawlessness. It is necessary to proceed from this and prepare for future, very unpleasant events: to watch, listen, remember, protect nerves and emotions, do not allow yourself to be disoriented, so that at the time of the collapse of this heinous political system, it’s not those who are slipped into the opposition, but those whom the political situation will put forward in the first roles.
      3. bar
        -9
        11 June 2020 10: 16
        In the past accidentally turned on Solovyov

        Mr. Solovyov is no less disgusting to me than you. But I am not going to tear the ballot or vote against the amendments just because of this Jew.
        1. 0
          13 June 2020 04: 00
          Quote: bar
          But I am not going to tear the ballot or vote against the amendments just because of this Jew.

          That's right, we need to come and ... to the newsletter. As they are to us, so we must to them
      4. -2
        11 June 2020 11: 55
        Quote: Silvestr
        there is one expert crucified. that the opposing agents of America. That is why it is necessary to go to vote and precisely "Against".

        That's the calculation. Do not wash, so skate. Any PR vote is still a PR. Even the protest mood swindlers wrapped themselves to their advantage.
    8. +6
      11 June 2020 09: 44
      With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution. The very fact that the day is a day off means that in a few years it turns out that the Russians did not accept the amendments, but the new Constitution, the most progressive in the last thousand years.
      1. bar
        +6
        11 June 2020 10: 37
        With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution.

        More precisely, when you come to the site, you show that you don’t give a damn about the fate of the country. It is for this reason that I will try to get there.
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 12: 08
          Do not give a damn or vote differently or lose.
      2. -6
        11 June 2020 10: 56
        Quote: Gardamir
        With your arrival at the site, you approve the new Constitution

        Not necessarily, but I hope that it will be so.

        Do you know another way to find out the opinion of ALL the people? Of course, there is another, the Maidan, but does it reflect the opinion of the whole people?

        What could be more democratic than asking people what they think about this?

        We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):
        "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, the amendments provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will take effect."

        The last word is ours.
        1. +4
          11 June 2020 11: 50
          To find out the opinion of the whole nation is to hold a referendum.
          But given the development of brainwashing technology, the result can be arranged as needed, for those who vote.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 12: 02
            Quote: Gardamir
            the result can be arranged as needed

            Or maybe this while There is nothing bad?

            About the electoral system.

            More precisely about some aspects of this. We all go around, or at least they heard about the elections and what means are spent on controlling this scam at polling stations. So you know how your vote was counted? No, and I don’t know how mine was taken into account. Voting ballots are faceless and as soon as they get into the ballot box they cease to be ours, they become common and you can take off whatever you like. No, not at polling stations, there control is observed. But then, where do they get to and what is done to them - only God knows.

            In our country there are no watered prisoners, no one is being persecuted for political beliefs, there is not any discrimination on the basis of party or non-partisan status - so why is the vote secret? I think that it is beneficial only to those in power - to give slaves the illusion of choice without giving the choice itself.

            This is on the one hand, and on the other.

            Everyone knows that only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker can choose - bakers. It is impossible to entrust the choice of manager to the managerically illiterate people. That is why in our elections there is a competition of figures, and not their programs. People simply are not able to understand what is written there. (mostly secondary education)

            What is the danger of such a situation for society.

            The elite that has usurped the right to govern and for the sake of its further prosperity does not allow anyone from outside, which leads to its degradation, as a result of which the effectiveness of governance and degradation of the whole society as a whole decreases and, ultimately, to the collapse of the state or the violent change of the elite ( revolution).

            And the favorite question of all indifferent citizens to the fate of the motherland is what to do.

            Just as in 1917, the question of general illiteracy was acute, today it is also necessary to raise the question of general managerial illiteracy. Only after that, as the people master the basics of management, it will be possible to introduce personalized ballots with the right to control how everyone’s vote is taken into account at all stages of counting.

            That's where it is so short. And here are a couple of quotes from smart books:

            Koran.
            "Verily, Allah does not change what is with the people, until they themselves change what is with them." (Quran 13: 12)

            Bible.
            “... the kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17: 20-21)

            Mraxism.
            "Until the idea takes hold of the masses, it is dead."

            COB.
            "Everything happens in the best way in accordance with the real morality of all participants in the process."
            1. Cat
              0
              11 June 2020 18: 27
              And here are a couple of quotes from smart books:

              Murphy:
              "Of all the available options, the worst is chosen."
        2. 0
          11 June 2020 15: 39
          By analogy, was it embarrassing to introduce turnout conditions in more than 50% of the total number of voters?
    9. BAI
      0
      11 June 2020 10: 35
      the only one that is about zeroing.

      There is no adjustment for zeroing. Zeroing is a consequence of constitutional amendments. Since the new Constitution with a new interpretation of the president’s choice (instead of 2 consecutive terms, there will simply be 2 terms) - this means new conditions and you can be elected again.
      The whole point of the changes is in the removal of the word "in a row".
    10. +1
      11 June 2020 10: 56
      (and especially sit out at home) HARE! just, for a long time from us, NOTHING DEPENDS ON ANYTHING!
      1. -1
        12 June 2020 06: 12
        It does not depend on you, but much depends on who the leader of the country is!
        1. +1
          12 June 2020 06: 26
          (but really, a lot depends on who the Leader of the country is!) And And ???
          1. -1
            12 June 2020 06: 29
            And what is the alternative to Putin?
            1. -1
              12 June 2020 06: 53
              you need to look who will go to this post. I still sympathize with Nikolai Bondarenko.
    11. +8
      11 June 2020 11: 31
      Quote: Dalny V
      Exclusively my imkh: go vote on any need.

      Isn’t it yet? Already counted! Uskov has already declared the prevailing share of citizens voting for the amendments. Remained a little - to organize the appearance. Ensure the visible legitimacy of the circus.
      You all understand very well:
      Quote: Dalny V
      Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where EdR candidates flew like plywood over Paris.

      and then:
      Quote: Dalny V
      True, in Primorye, then insolently everything was done by the authorities in its own way, but that is ...

      And after that, do you still think you should go and vote?
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 12: 44
        Isn’t it yet?

        the number, how to put it mildly, of "organisms" that do not understand this, is surprising.
    12. +2
      11 June 2020 14: 40
      Quote: Dalny V
      Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good things in them are killed by the only one that is about zeroing.

      respected, if not in the know, then the 2nd amendment that deputies and officials cannot have a second citizenship was removed from the voting (the main "patriots" tried for themselves). And the article about the protection of animal rights (should have been given the right to vote)?
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 16: 28
        This amendment has not been removed.
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 17: 14
          thanks for correcting, hearing but not checking hi
          but a little yadu
          The final draft amendments did not include several prohibitions. One of them is the possession of foreign real estate for deputies, senators and officials, deputy Mikhail Starshinov told 360. The problem is that under the concept of “property abroad” you can bring both a villa in Nice and a small parental house in Ukraine or another former Soviet republic.

          “This is not an apartment in Manhattan, this is a completely different story. I think this is normal. There is something that you can quickly refuse, such as an account not with a foreign, but with a Russian bank. Real estate is a slightly different story on the one hand, and on the other, real estate is different, ”added Starshinov.

          Two other amendments obligated spouses and minor children of deputies to permanently reside in Russia. Here, Starshinov noted, we are talking about rights and freedoms, because of which one cannot limit the desire to move freely around the world.
    13. DVR
      -10
      11 June 2020 16: 18
      Exclusively my imha: go to vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good in them is killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the newsletter, and even more so to sit at home - to play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their fi, falsifying elections (yes, any voting) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where the candidates from EdRa flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye then the authorities insolently did everything in their own way, but that is ...


      I urge all conscious citizens of our great Motherland not to succumb to provocations, unsubstantiated appeals, cheap battered slogans. We must not allow the disruption of the vote to amend the current version of the Constitution, which was written after the greatest defeat of the USSR since the Great Patriotic War, written at the direction of the winners, curators of the drunken tyrant who then ruled our country. The constitution in that form is a symbol of the final defeat of the USSR, which did not occur in the 91st, in 1993, when, under guarantees of support from the enemy, hundreds of people in the very heart of our Motherland were unceremoniously killed and forgotten. This is an act of surrender of the Soviet Union and Russia.
      Do not listen to all these patriots and communists who are now voicing in abundance everywhere, incl. and on this site. Because they are pseudo-patriots and pseudo-communists. They almost always have patriotic pictures on their avatars (not only for them, I don’t generalize), they make such ardent admirers of the great past out of themselves. They are always experts in all areas. But you just dig a little deeper, on the essence of the questions, and not a single meaningful answer. They are not in order to answer, their task is to pour into the ears as much as possible. If you didn’t begin to figure it out, “grabbed it” - that's a fine fellow, but asked a question, if you want to figure it out - well, waste your time, I'd rather pour it into the ears of others. There are ukrotrolls here, although, what is surprising, they feed from one feeder. I would not say it, but the other day I "uncovered" one such person when he wrote a comment mentioning the neo-Nazism regime in Ukraine. And backed up with a couple of strong videos from 14-15 years:
      https://vk.com/video163296047_168410119
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0Z_BomHI25E&feature=emb_title
      I also mentioned the new "Babi Yar" in Odessa. The psyche of the ukrotroll could not stand it, "a fart in a rose", began to tell something about "boyars to drink less", then that this is not neo-Nazism, but maybe "neo-Bolshevism", that maybe the Russians also genocid someone in Crimea. That Jews were not burned in Odessa (although, I'm sure he understood my analogy). I don’t remember exactly, the essence is clear, the admin deleted him and all the comments with my answers (although I didn’t throw a complaint - no habit, it was a couple of times for an experiment in justified cases, I wanted to understand how it works here). In general, an amusing short conversation. My comments are only in my profile. And before that, the boy talked harmlessly about self-propelled guns, in which he is a pro. Well, this is so, digression, there are a dime a dozen of such people to make it clear with whom you are communicating.
      They will never answer you in essence. Why in the late 80s they or others like them very actively began to tell us that everything in the "scoop" is bad, everything is not like people, the rotting west in chocolate, and there are hundreds of varieties of sausages in stores. And in the United States, in general, heaven is heaven on earth, and we have the whole history of the USSR - blood, terror, the Gulag, and animals rule us, as if nothing good (for which so much blood was given) was not. I was ashamed of my country. Many believed then, and we decided to build capitalism in our country. The United States became our best friend and helped us in this matter, wrote laws and took part in writing the main one. We got what we got ...
      Why they were silent in the hell of the 90s, they didn’t give a voice, apparently, they enjoyed what was built from their supply. Rejoiced at a new carefree life. Yes, because their master was happy with everything. And suddenly, by the 2010s, life had become so unbearable for them that in the same way they are now telling us that in the USSR there was heaven on earth, justice and prosperity. And 100 varieties of sausages no longer appeal to them. Everyone in poverty is poor, and they say that we have totalitarianism and repression. They speak everywhere and write and do not hide that you really believe that the bloody regime has come ...
      And there are so many billionaires that you cannot count. True, the United States, where they called us before, is still very far away, there is something to strive for, but they are already calling us back. But in terms of income inequality, we are almost equal. They call back and don't invent anything new, why? All formulas have already been written, simple and ingenious. Well, who did not admire the winged: "Take everything, and divide it."
      I’m really confused which of these patriots are more correct, former or current?
      They still have a couple of cheap tricks on the assumption that a person does not go into details. For example, why vote if everyone thinks right. A person who has never gone into the work of the electoral system, legislation, and even more so, who did not participate in this, will easily believe. But this is an unfounded statement. And they absolutely do not want to explain to anyone that it is almost impossible to falsify elections if representatives of all allegedly "deceived parties" who are included in all election commissions at all levels in all polling stations of Russia do not participate in the falsifications.
      Conclusion: destructive forces, deliberately acting on the destruction of Russia, as well as individuals (passive assets) who unfortunately do not see beyond their nose and do not want to see anything try to disrupt the vote on constitutional amendments.
      I urge everyone to vote. And thanks to our leader for initiating the cancellation.
      act of surrender (and this - oh how not easy), and we have the opportunity to take part in this truly historic event.
      And then he could usurp ... so that little seems!
      I urge everyone to vote for adoption!
      PS: sorry, I can not respond in a timely manner to such powerful article fans. I work, no time all day to sit on the site and comment.
      1. +3
        11 June 2020 16: 25
        "... the wording of the Constitution, which was written after the greatest defeat of the USSR since the Great Patriotic War."
        And that in the Great Patriotic USSR also suffered a similar defeat !! ??
        I thought the USSR had the Greatest Victory
        1. DVR
          +1
          11 June 2020 19: 19
          Here "defeat" means the damage done to our country. In the 90s, the country suffered damage comparable to the damage done to us in the Second World War. I didn't put it right enough, so I explain.
      2. DVR
        -3
        11 June 2020 16: 33
        All their arguments can be smashed to pieces, a couple of templates, do not "get fooled" by this. Institutions have been working with multimillion-dollar budgets for management and manipulation of society for many years. Once we have already "been led", we were unrebined, almost lost everything. "Don't trust these dogs, they make you laugh just to get your golden teeth out." (from)
  2. +11
    11 June 2020 04: 54
    Non rex est lex, sed lex est rex.
  3. +11
    11 June 2020 04: 57
    it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.
    1. +2
      11 June 2020 05: 01
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.

      Let me join you.
      1. bar
        -3
        11 June 2020 10: 38
        Will you twirl together? I would like to look at this circus number laughing
    2. -2
      11 June 2020 05: 47
      Dedkastary - you will not appear, and automatically your vote will be counted "for"! Go and honestly write in the bulletin that you wanted to spin this farce, write that you are against, write it in large letters, but enough to be amorphous creatures for whom everything is decided by the power ! It's time for her to be totally and at rest! The country needs a strong hand, the power should have a silovik, a patriot of Russia, energetic and decisive, the master of the word, not a promisualkin who changes his decisions five times a day!
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 05: 51
        Quote: Thrifty
        Dedkastary - you will not appear, and automatically your vote will be counted "for"! Go and honestly write in the bulletin that you wanted to spin this farce, write that you are against, write it in large letters, but enough to be amorphous creatures for whom everything is decided by the power ! It's time for her to be totally and at rest! The country needs a strong hand, the power should have a silovik, a patriot of Russia, energetic and decisive, the master of the word, not a promisualkin who changes his decisions five times a day!

        no matter what they write, in any letters, everything is ALREADY already done as NECESSARY IM. Change everything, the papers cannot. so the farce remains a farce, and I will not go in the herd.
        1. -4
          11 June 2020 06: 49
          The turnout percentage has long been canceled, and even if ONE person comes, he will vote, and he will definitely vote. The decision will be made. If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends. hi
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 07: 19
            Quote: prapor55
            . If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends.

            On the contrary, this "power" is doing everything for us to come and vote for.
            I now do not want to push those who boycotte and those who are "against", but those who are "for" are definitely from another trench.
            1. +2
              11 June 2020 09: 37
              Quote: Malyuta
              so that we come and vote for.

              and Platoshkin is being judged precisely for coming and saying "No"
              1. +1
                11 June 2020 10: 52
                Quote: Silvestr
                and Platoshkin is being judged precisely for coming and saying "No"

                Dear Sylvester! Do you really think that if Platoshkin called for a boycott of the election, he would not have been closed? They would have closed it for sure, only not at home, but in a pre-trial detention center.
            2. -3
              11 June 2020 11: 39
              Quote: Malyuta
              but those who are "for" exactly from another trench.

              Those who are "for" and those who are "against" - they all pour water on the mill of usurpation.
          2. +8
            11 June 2020 07: 43
            Quote: prapor55
            The turnout percentage has long been canceled, and even if ONE person comes, he will vote, and he will definitely vote. The decision will be made. If you are satisfied with everything that this government creates, then stay at home, as this government recommends. hi

            hell with two she recommends this! She REQUESTS. my budgetary wife, has already received an order, to come to the vote and bring two people with her, and they’re the same, respectively! (how do you like that?) I need a turnout, so I’ll go to hell.
            1. -4
              11 June 2020 12: 46
              Quote: Dead Day
              REQUEST IS NEEDED

              I was surprised at such agility of power, and why? show the heels of polling stations in a zomboyaschik where the crowded people aren’t quite a problem, but you’re accomplished. involve an admin resource, scorch how much in vain national money
            2. +1
              11 June 2020 16: 26
              Will the wife go?
          3. +3
            11 June 2020 09: 50
            The authorities recommend coming.
          4. +2
            11 June 2020 11: 42
            Quote: prapor55
            stay at home as recommended by this authority.

            This is where is the power recommended? On the contrary, they use the most heinous methods to attract people to vote. Including videos about gays and other nonsense. Even the veteran was dragged into his campaign.
        2. AUL
          -4
          11 June 2020 12: 36
          Quote: Dead Day
          so that the farce remains a farce, and I will not go in herd.

          So just the herd will not go to vote - he either doesn’t care, or just laziness. And if you think that someone else will come for you and cheat, and you just look from the side, you won’t get any results! A rolling stone gathers no moss!
          IM need a turnout, so why the hell with two I'll go.
          Why the hell is this turnout? So as not to lose face in front of abroad, or what? Yes, they spat on it! Oh how disgraced with zeroing and with all this vote, and now fight for the turnout? Not serious!
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 12: 55
            Quote from AUL
            Yes, they spat on it! Oh how disgraced with zeroing and with all this vote, and now fight for the turnout? Not serious!

            Comrade, your judgment is very controversial, they really need it, otherwise they would not invite us from every iron.
            Quote from AUL
            And if you think that someone else will come for you and cheat, and you just look from the side, you won’t get any results! A rolling stone gathers no moss!

            Why do you deny an active boycott? For example, with the same registrars? Strictly speaking, if siu were a fighter, it would be difficult to think of festivities better than on election day.
            Threat. The most important thing is that those who disagree cannot develop clear tactics. I respect your position. hi
      2. -12
        11 June 2020 07: 51
        neither you nor he will write such a thing in the newsletter ... courage is not enough ... you are only in the comments of the wrestlers and in the kitchens
        1. +3
          11 June 2020 09: 47
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          neither you nor he will write such a thing in the newsletter ... courage is not enough ... you are only in the comments of the wrestlers and in the kitchens

          Good. What are we arguing about?
        2. +4
          11 June 2020 11: 02
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          Well, you only in the comments of the wrestlers but in the kitchens

          Perhaps so, however, for example, there is only one thing that justifies me - I do not receive a bribe for pro-government comments, like some fighters - "statesmen are non-liberal." Or maybe you are organizing coordinated demonstrations in support of Vladimir I, Zeroed, so firstly, much courage is not required here, and secondly, you are the same kitchen fighter like me, with one exception - I don't know what you are talking about spoil the kitchen.
      3. +4
        11 June 2020 09: 45
        Quote: Thrifty
        Dedkastary - you will not show up, and automatically your vote will be counted "for"!

        This vote does not solve anything. Absolutely. And on the opinion of the majority, the government has long laid its own. So in the coffin I saw this show.
        1. +2
          11 June 2020 13: 12
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          This vote does not solve anything. Absolutely. And on the opinion of the majority, the government has long laid its own. So in the coffin I saw this show.

      4. +6
        11 June 2020 09: 56
        Mr. Thrifty, we have already passed this. At first we were told for a long time that socialism is bad, that communists are enemies. In short, vote or lose.
        Zeroing, mask parade, second wave, I do not like it.
    3. +7
      11 June 2020 06: 02
      By force not by force, but the case of NN Platoshkin, a scientist, diplomat, leader of the movement "For New Socialism", against whom a criminal case was opened and placed under house arrest for thinking whether to vote, suggests other thoughts. It looks like it's dangerous to talk about it now. Now we are slipping a drunken car accident, of which there are hundreds a day across the country. But there is an actor, and here is a politician.
      1. -4
        11 June 2020 11: 04
        "Now we are slipping into a drunken car accident, of which there are hundreds a day across the country. But there is an actor, and here is a politician."
        Who palms her in, and why?
        P. S. Platoshkin is an ordinary populist and fishing is empty, besides he is constantly lying!
      2. -1
        11 June 2020 12: 46
        https://youtu.be/Vftf3-C6e28

        In order not to be unfounded.
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 16: 30
          Referring to the "node", well, this bottom is simple
          1. +3
            11 June 2020 20: 56
            It’s violet on my node, the bottom is to believe Platoshkin who lies through the word.
            They analyze his lies in the video, in fact, can you, in turn, also prove by numbers where this (tired optimist) blogger is cheating?
    4. -2
      11 June 2020 06: 49
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that they don’t drag by force

      These things are just around the corner. It will be necessary and will be brought / brought by force.
    5. -5
      11 June 2020 06: 56
      Everything has its time...
    6. 0
      11 June 2020 11: 35
      Quote: Dead Day
      it’s good that so far they don’t drag me to vote. I turned this farce.

      So far, any unconscious is still enough not to drag. Here in VO even comrades seemingly adequate in appearance recommend going ...
    7. +1
      11 June 2020 17: 35
      Quote: Dead Day
      I spit this farce.

      then the nightingale suggested (a political scientist) to write an appeal to the Central Election Commission (for all who wouldn’t go) that I wouldn’t go to vote and ask my voice not to take into account and indicate the reason
      I spit this farce.
      it is possible to describe the center around which circular motion is carried out. laughing
    8. kig
      0
      14 June 2020 01: 58
      But in many countries, through and through democracies, such as Australia, Belgium or Luxembourg, they are fined for not appearing to vote and can even be put in jail. So our democrats still have to study and study.
  4. +8
    11 June 2020 04: 59
    Novel! Is it worth discussing the legitimacy-illegality of the vote, which from a legal point of view does not change the adopted amendments and does not have the status of a referendum, the decision of which is mandatory (or not quite, as in the case of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR) to be implemented.
    In our case, you need to come to the site so that there is no remorse, and express your own decision, whatever it may be.
    1. +6
      11 June 2020 05: 35
      I agree with you, Yuri.
      The novel elucidated the problem from a new perspective, but do not come to give it a reason to say that people agree. And Churchill was right: "Bad government is chosen by people who do not vote."
      1. +22
        11 June 2020 06: 16
        Quote: My address
        And Churchill was right: "Bad government is chosen by people who do not go to elections."

        Churchill brazenly lied. Whatever people walked, power always remained with the big bourgeoisie.
        1. +3
          11 June 2020 09: 17
          If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to go there!
          1. +1
            11 June 2020 15: 50
            Quote: alekSASHKA-36
            If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to go there!

            Yes, we were not allowed to vote on the pension "reform".
            1. kig
              0
              14 June 2020 01: 59
              Was there such a vote?
      2. +5
        11 June 2020 08: 56
        Quote: My address
        And Churchill was right: "Bad government is chosen by people who do not go to elections."
        so this vote on amendments was not spelled out in the Constitution, unlike elections. By participating in them, you acknowledge them
      3. +8
        11 June 2020 10: 01
        Quote: My address
        I agree with you, Yuri.
        The novel elucidated the problem from a new perspective, but do not come to give it a reason to say that people agree. And Churchill was right: "Bad government is chosen by people who do not vote."

        Much has changed since Churchill. Now those who walk, by their coming they say we believe you
    2. +10
      11 June 2020 06: 28
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Is it worth discussing the legitimacy-illegality of the vote, which from the legal point of view does not change the adopted amendments and does not have the status of a referendum, the decision of which is mandatory (or not entirely, as in the case of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR) to be implemented.

      The fact of the matter is that voting does not change the rule of law. It changes people's attitudes to these laws. Having come to a vote, you agreed for yourself that these laws are legal.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      In our case, you need to come to the site so that there is no remorse, and express your own decision, whatever it may be.

      That's the way about conscience. The choice of what is offered? Voting FOR is understandable. But the vote AGAINST ... after all, in fact, this vote is also FOR, only for the Yeltsin constitution. The choice between the Yeltsin constitution and the retouched Yeltsin. What conscience to choose if conscience is against any version of the Yeltsin constitution?
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 07: 04
        The ebn constitution is an absolute evil for Russia, the mere fact that the founding chapter was first written in the USA by USAID and all other chapters and articles of the constitution cannot contradict it speaks volumes. It’s about the same as if Hitler’s Germany wrote a constitution for the USSR.
        We must vote on this, this is the first step towards changing things.
        1. +11
          11 June 2020 09: 26
          German 4223, the Yeltsin’s constitution has already been changed without our consent - is it evil or not evil. Unfortunately, the Constitution in a new style is not even a substitute for sewn soap. The new constitution exacerbates evil. Take, for example, the provision on the priority of Russian laws over international ones. The 2006 UN Convention on Corruption has not been ratified by our legislators. Who bothered? The desire to harness more with impunity without being punished? Indeed, ratification implies a review of the entire body of laws existing in the country for the corruption component, and therefore, the maximum possible elimination of corruption as a phenomenon. Not ratified! On the contrary, the adoption of the priority amendment aggravated, intensified the corruption background of our life, gave it a legitimate look.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 10: 35
            The priority of international law is evil. For example, raising the retirement age by decision of the IMF, or VAT.
            The decisions of international UN agencies are written into our legal system without any ratification. It is not always required at all (ratification).
            1. +6
              11 June 2020 11: 30
              German 4223, firstly, we owe nothing to the IMF, the debt to this organization has long been paid off. Secondly, the IMF could not legislatively force the Russian government to carry out pension reform and increase VAT. The IMF can only RECOMMEND to do this or that, but, I repeat, can not force! Compliance with IMF recommendations is voluntary. Because these are not international laws, but just - again! - recommendations. But the Medvedev government, shamefully betraying the interests of the people of his country, turned the IMF recommendations into domestic laws of Russia, and the president even more shamefully and insultingly justified the betrayal of the interests of the people in his speech on TV. So why did he do this?!? In particular, because under Medvedev’s incapacitated government, leading the country along the development path is enough to fill the National Welfare Fund so that from there, again on the recommendation of the IMF, you can take money - a paradox! - for development. And Putin had no choice but to squeeze the population dry. That is, in order to develop national projects, you need to be at the beck and call of the IMF, read the US Federal Reserve?!? Guilty! And he suffered the worthless, mediocre Medvedev - guilty!
              1. -2
                11 June 2020 13: 21
                Call it at least a recommendation at least a piece of advice. The IMF is an international institution, and its recommendation is the decision of this institution. According to article 15, paragraph 4 of the constitution, universally recognized principles and norms of international law are part of our legal system.
                By decision of the Supreme Court, the meaning and content of universally recognized norms is disclosed in decisions of international UN agencies. That is, the meaning and content of our legal system is not determined by us. Our laws are only accepted and no more. What they will be washed away is not determined by us.
          2. -5
            11 June 2020 10: 45
            One more thing, you can change everything in the constitution except for chapters 1 and 2.
            There are no changes.
            1. +1
              11 June 2020 22: 51
              You apparently do not understand international law at all.
              That is, the IMF will tell us to remove the Strategic Rocket Forces in three days and we will carry out? So your way?
              1. -2
                12 June 2020 06: 47
                The IMF gives directions of an economic nature, it will not be able to remove the Strategic Missile Forces, and it is easy to give recommendations on reducing military spending.
                No state-of-the-art equipment will be massively deployed in our troops until this state of affairs changes.
        2. +4
          11 June 2020 10: 03
          You know all about the chapters. So who wrote the chapters of this constitution?
        3. AUL
          +2
          11 June 2020 13: 24
          Quote: Herman 4223
          We must vote on this, this is the first step towards changing things.

          Unfortunately, the proposed amendments do nothing to improve the filthy Yeltsin constitution. All of them are purely declarative in nature and change absolutely nothing. But one amendment is clearly reactionary in nature - zeroing. Moreover, an amendment is made for one, quite specific person, which is the most dangerous precedent! Because of this alone, I consider it necessary to go and vote against! When "the people are silent," this provokes the authorities to do even greater dirty tricks.
    3. for
      +6
      11 June 2020 07: 39
      Quote: ROSS 42
      legitimacy-illegality of voting,

      By going to the HEADING, you thereby agree with legitimacy and legitimacy.
      Vote, otherwise you’ve already lost. Although the threshold was canceled, they still really need mass.
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 09: 54
        I express my opinion, and do not allow this to be done for myself.
        If you don’t go then the decision will still be made, only without your participation and without taking your opinion into account. Silent means consent.
        1. for
          +1
          11 June 2020 15: 49
          Quote: Herman 4223
          I do not allow this to be done for myself.

          And your opinion does not interest them, if only your opinion coincides with theirs.
          And the decision will be made, or rather, already taken, regardless of your opinions.
  5. -10
    11 June 2020 05: 02
    I love to read comments on such topics))))))
  6. +11
    11 June 2020 05: 14
    Already today (not entirely clear though based on what), but it was stated that from 60 to 65 percent of voters would come to vote.

    It’s understandable. The commander said: "Ferret"! And no gophers.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 05: 56
      I will honestly express my attitude to the case. I understand that I will go against many who have already written here. BUT that's what the forum is for, right? Before the speech of V, Tereshkova, my attitude to the plebiscite was neutral. Approved something, laughed at something. In fact, legalizing annual allowances for pensioners is a sacred thing. But it is well known that any virgin cannot give more than she has. Since the amount of indexation is not specified, the state can be told: "No, they say, there is a gold reserve in the treasury." Therefore, please, dear pensioners, according to the constitution, indexation of 50 rubles. Well, okay, let them play their games, I thought. But after her speech, my attitude towards the whole venture became sharply negative. And not even on the merits of the matter of prolonging slavery in galleys. And in a boorish form. It's like in Soviet times. There was a table of orders in production. Typical order; 1 kg of scarce buckwheat, a jar of mayonnaise (may come in handy) and another jar of seaweed, which alone filled the store shelves. And they took it. The whole venture with Tereshkova was undertaken much ahead of time. Until 2024 another 4 years. Suppose in 2024 Russia was attacked in one way or another by an adversary. There was a risk of weakening during the transfer of power. Yes, then the people would understand.
      But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman & Co. and Echo of Moscow are generally worse than the authorities. They are enemies. As a historical example. The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have a grudge against the authorities. Am I going to side with the fascists? And the liberals are enemies. Therefore, I will come and vote "For". Now minus.
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 05: 59
        You have your opinion, I’m ready to support you, good
      2. -7
        11 June 2020 06: 30
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The whole undertaking with Tereshkova was undertaken much ahead of time.

        I agree - but not because of the "stupidity" of the authorities, but precisely because of their great intelligence and cunning. It is very clear that Putin is being "brought down" by bringing him under unpopular measures (such as the pension reform) and untimely decisions, sometimes they are simply misinformed in details, so that against this background they will be noted with more accurate and truthful information ... and this is very bad, because it shows that BB is losing his grip and sense of smell and is being led. Therefore, I can not vote FOR (if I correct, I will), but I don’t want to be a member of the "herd" that every scoundrel uses, so I will not vote AGAINST. I will be at home.
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 08: 08
          mark1. I liked your comment, there are no emotions in it and there are no shots from the "crooked gun" from the denialov camp. I absolutely agree that Putin has "lost his scent". In some ways, he became in his own way similar to the late Brezhnev. He played the orders, and this one plays the wise, but strict chief, caring grandfather in conversations with the governors, who understand the game and talk about how many kindergartens they have built in the province. And he answered them strictly - we need to build more. The root question that you mentioned is who is bringing down! Frankly speaking, I do not know who, if a circle of patriots who wish Russia well is knocking down is one thing. And if it is others - then God forbid. Therefore, I am afraid that there will be a repetition of the nineties, when the controller let me off the tram, who was well-known both in Russia and abroad in his narrow area, because I had nothing to pay with. Yes, they also sentenced. that you need to get a job where money is paid. Is it in the stall or what? But I am a person incapable of trading, I would be cheated there. That's what I'm afraid of. Therefore, even so. By the way, I cannot say that now we have coped poorly with an unexpected disaster. They'll run into me with examples. Could someone do better? Because the size of the misfortune was unexpected - this has not happened before in modern times.
          1. +2
            11 June 2020 08: 59
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            who brings down! Frankly, I don’t know who if knocks

            So I don’t know, but indirect participation with incomprehensible goals ... I do not want the return of the 90s, the poverty of the population and the humiliation of the people and the country
      3. +5
        11 June 2020 06: 33
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Since the amount of indexation is not specified, the state can be told: "No, they say, there is a gold reserve in the treasury."

        Where did he go? belay

        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman & Co. and Echo of Moscow are generally worse than the authorities.

        But doesn’t it bother you that these cries of the liberals from Echo of Moscow, the activities of Gozman and other political scientists from the central TV channels are subsidized from the budget?
        I will tell you a terrible secret: the Communist Party also receives from the treasury. Yes
        Now answer, our smart man, will the dog bite the hands that feed it?
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have an insult to power. Will I side with the fascists? And liberals are enemies.

        When the Nazis attacked the country, the political officers, going on the attack, shouted: “For the Motherland! For Stalin!" Will people start shouting today: “For the Motherland! For Putin! "??? By the way, who are the liberal enemies? Just don’t list me the names of the fifth column that settled in the country with the permission of the authorities ... Just go to the Chechen Republic and try to express insults to the head of the republic in a public place ... As they say, feel the difference.
        And everyone is free to vote as his CONSCIENCE or the size of the bank account tells him ...
        hi
        1. +4
          11 June 2020 06: 56
          I will tell you a terrible secret: the Communist Party also receives from the treasury. yes
          Speaking of ,, birds ,, that is, about the court ,, commie ,, Zyuganov. The Communist Party was criticized by everyone who was not lazy for the lack of a clear position on the topic, and here it happened, in the sense they were allowed to “decide” - the other day Zyuganov said that the Communist Party calls on,vote against the amendments. That is, the authorities really need it attendance and everything else is from the evil one. Or from crafty E .. wink So draw conclusions. hi
          ................................................... ................................................... ................................................
          The author of the article is a fat plus!
        2. -4
          11 June 2020 08: 21
          will the dog bite the hands that feed it?


          Still, Ukraine is an example for you, or is it a special case?
        3. 0
          11 June 2020 08: 27
          Yuri Vasilievich. As for the gold reserve - to have and spend, therefore, to lose, to have and to hide and not to have at all are two different things. As for the affiliation of opposition structures with the government - so who argues! The Kremlin has many towers. In addition, let’s say, Putin himself carefully preserves through and through the corrupt and corrupt Yeltsin family. But there is a rule - for lack of stamp I write in simple. And if someone does not write, because he is sick, then others will write for him. As for my bank account - I won’t tell you the numbers, but I assure you - nothing interesting or shocking.
          1. 0
            11 June 2020 11: 16
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            But there is a rule - for lack of stamp I write in simple.

            There is one more rule: For lack of a maid they have a janitor. Are you tired of replacing the maid?
            1. 0
              11 June 2020 12: 15
              Alexei! Rude, oh well. It is one thing to have a janitor, if the janitor wants it, another thing to marry a janitor. We are not used to it yet. Alas. But time is running forward, and the constitution will not hurt. God forbid, not the last.
              1. -1
                11 June 2020 13: 07
                Michael! I didn’t have any thoughts, if I accidentally upset me, I beg your pardon. But the janitor is not asked whether he wants it or not, however, as is the case with us. Above, there was a crow and a fox. Simple and very clear. I will give one more analogy, if you play preference, you will understand. This is "voting" as "Stalingrad" in this beautiful game. When playing 6 spades, a mutual whist is mandatory. The story is this: "They don't ask you, they have you." Of course this is a censored option.
                1. +3
                  11 June 2020 14: 21
                  Alexey! I played Leningrad, but for a very long time. I remember the obligatory whist for the 6th peak. But "Stalingrad" is, apparently, an innovation for me? This is when the minuscule is caught? But I am concerned about the possible resignation of Putin in the event of a negative result at the plebiscite. This will open such Overton windows that will not seem small. I do not accept the arguments of the members of the forum that if something happens, the CEC will draw. Experienced and well-informed people are sitting there and in case of suspicion of a fiasco they will scatter like rats. The dissolution of the CPSU is an example of this.
                  1. -1
                    11 June 2020 15: 13
                    No, dear Mikhail. Among experienced preference players, when trading stopped at six spades, the player took a buy-in and does not want to raise the game (for example, declare 6 clubs), he does not say 6 spades, but says Stalingrad. At the same time, whether partners want to whistle or not, they whistle necessarily, and once they whistle together, then naturally the game goes into the dark "standing", which creates problems, tk. they do not see each other's cards, nevertheless they must take 4 tricks for two. From here came this bike, of which, by the way, there are many in the preference. As for the Overton windows, I understand you, but I think that these windows will open even wider if the president becomes a lifelong. Suffice it to recall Brezhnev, the time of the end of his reign. I just felt sorry for this tired, sick man who was no longer able to think critically. He could no longer lead, so the ball was ruled by the camarilla, squabbling over portfolios. Further to death, the sick Andropov, Chernenko. And then bam !!! young, energetic Gorbachev - speaks without a piece of paper. And after all, the people at first accepted him with enthusiasm, but in the end they got what we have. Putin is neither young nor eternal. Aren't you afraid of repeating history?
                    1. -1
                      11 June 2020 15: 24
                      There is a joke about the minuscule. Two preferentialists are carrying to bury the third, who died of a heart attack, which happened to him when he took 6 bribes on a minuscule under a triple tree. One of them says to the other: "But if we went into a pichka, I would take 7". The second thought and answered: "Come on, it's not bad."
                      1. +2
                        11 June 2020 18: 23
                        Alexei! That we are all about Putin, but about Putin. Let's talk about the pleasant. In my company, a game of 6 spades was called Obligation. Joke. The court is hearing the murder of the pre-transist.
                        Judge: - "Defendant, tell us how the case was."
                        Defendant: "I am in spite and a dead man is at his best, I am in a spade and a dead man is at his best."
                        Judge: "So for this you need a candelabrum over the head!"
                        Defendant: "Well, I'm talking about the same thing."
                    2. +1
                      11 June 2020 16: 00
                      Alexei! I'm afraid And already I see signs of late Brezhnev! These endless games of the good grandfather, meetings with governors who are already well versed in the situation and cheerfully reporting on how many kindergartens have been built in their province and much more. It is a matter of choosing between bad and very bad. The choice is unpleasant, but que faire! So I read the comments of members of the forum on an article that agrees in a convincing style not to vote for amendments. Mostly forum users supported him. But this is no social cut. So the probability of failure cannot be discounted. I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin’s immediate resignation due to loss of authority. And then whoever dines with the girl dances, because there is no real Russian political force capable of replacement, and it is impossible to seriously consider our opposition, even if it’s systemic or even unsystematic. It is clear who exactly is having dinner - the one who has plenty of money and a desire to finish off Russia is also full, so that for sure
                      1. -2
                        12 June 2020 07: 28
                        Quote: mikh-korsakov
                        . I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin's immediate resignation due to loss of authority

                        The authority is not lost as a result of the failure of the plebiscite.
                        Putin himself exchanged his authority for the deprivation of pensions for 5 years.
                        And the amendments to the Constitution and the plebiscite are an attempt by deceit to divert public attention from the pension "reform". And to instill a moral attitude in the voters: the pension "reform" is less significant than other actions of Putin.
                      2. -2
                        13 June 2020 10: 04
                        I wondered what would happen if the plebiscite failed. Putin's immediate resignation due to loss of authority
                        Everything will be much worse for the top leadership. Up to 64 tbsp. Criminal Code of the USSR. Now the situation is 1 in 1, as in 1993. 50% + turnout, and we have a new project. Draft charter of a new 25 year trust. The 1993 trust has ended and the balance has been drawn over the year. If there is no new trust, then property with a profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions are required. The USSR is alive de jure, the Constitution of 1977 has not been canceled, we did not leave the citizenship of the USSR.
                        On the other hand, the "government of the Russian Federation" re-registered the legal entity to the "government of Russia" with the change of the emblem. Conducts blatant propaganda with a bunch of lies and bots. There are provocateurs for a herd of sheep (Zyu, Platoshkin ..). Many will come to this plebeit in order to sign that they are natural persons (plebeians) of a new legal entity, trust.
                        PS I want a miracle, so that the turnout does not reach 50%!
                      3. -3
                        13 June 2020 10: 23
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        De jure the USSR is alive ...

                        I personally know (knew, more precisely, during their lifetime) a couple of people who are now deceased. "De jure" they are also still alive, oddly enough. Doesn't it look like anything?

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Nobody repealed the 1977 Constitution

                        Adoption of the new Constitution does not cancel the previous? Um ... even though I’ve never been a lawyer, but it seems strange to me: the Constitution, by definition, is the Basic Law of the State. There can be no more than one Basic Law in the State request

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        property with profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions required

                        A beautiful fairy tale, I want to believe it ... the mechanism of "return" - can you explain it? And at the same time - to whom exactly what exactly will be returned?

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        rabid propaganda with a bunch of lies and bots. For a herd of sheep there are provocateurs ... Many will come to this plebeisyt ...

                        Eco flatters you, my friend ... nice to the eye Yes
                      4. -1
                        13 June 2020 11: 29
                        Adoption of the new Constitution does not cancel the previous?

                        1. Adoption of the new Constitution is carried out by more than 2/3 of the votes of the Constitutional Assembly or referendum (see primary sources and international law).
                        2. In 1993 we had the first (and only) round of "popular discussion of the draft constitution" with 50% for out of 50% turnout.
                        3. The original Design Project of the Russian Federation with the signature of the President of the RSFSR, removed from office, nowhere!
                        4. Citizens of the USSR-RSFSR cannot vote for the constitution of another country that does not exist.
                        Now we have a transition from 19 to 20 edition of the unaccepted Project. Although, rather, this is the new Charter of the trust. Therefore, a repeat of the plebeians.
                        Well-known and easily verifiable facts, the trolls cause inexplicable excitement.
                        Eco flatters you, my friend ... nice to the eye yes
                      5. -3
                        13 June 2020 11: 50
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Well-known and easily verifiable facts, the trolls cause inexplicable excitement

                        You answered your own question:

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Am I a troll too?

                        And they answered in the affirmative Yes

                        Your mention of the term

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        international law

                        only once again confirms your answer.
                      6. 0
                        13 June 2020 12: 03
                        And my opinion is that trolls do not lead facts and figures to the basis of personal opinion. But they require them from others. After an evident and logical victory over the troll, he goes to flood or irrelevant particulars. We do not see ourselves in the mirror?
                        If, you are the master of trolls, consider me a small trolley, then why are you constantly sticking to comments addressed not to you. I would be grateful if you stop noticing me. Simply, a pity of his time for meaningless tumbling, and proof of generally available facts.
                      7. -4
                        13 June 2020 12: 16
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        pity of his time for meaningless tumbling, and proof of publicly available facts

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Now the situation is 1 in 1, as in 1993. 50% + turnout, and we have a new project. Draft charter of a new 25 year trust. The 1993 trust has ended and the balance has been drawn over the year. If there is no new trust, then property with a profit (state) is returned to the founder (USSR, Soviet citizens). No re-evolutions are required. The USSR is alive de jure, the Constitution of 1977 has not been canceled, we did not leave the citizenship of the USSR

                        If you consider this nonsense to be "publicly available facts", then we will not be able to have a constructive conversation with you.

                        Give Lushna a reference to places where such thoughts are recruited, not you yourself came up with all this wink

                        And there, I see, I will also believe, and I will replenish the rare ranks of your supporters ... but, right away, I honestly warn you - it is very unlikely Yes
                      8. -1
                        13 June 2020 13: 48
                        Your mention of the term

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        international law

                        only once again confirms your answer.
                        Mention of a concept, including Human Rights, signed by the USSR. says that I am a Man. And not an animal that needs only a lash and the opinion of the owner. Dictatorship can be loved by inferior people.
                        Give Lushna a reference to the places where such thoughts are typed, not you yourself came up with it all wink
                        Once again, for the gifted. I am human and can draw conclusions based on facts and processes. This, you trolls need a training manual in order to draw "wisdom".
                        If you consider this nonsense to be "publicly available facts", then we will not be able to have a constructive conversation with you.
                        1.Bred is shkolota’s favorite argument that has not yet passed the exam (overestimated the troll qualification, or underestimated senile dementia). 2. But try to make an appointment with Sylvester, it will suddenly help ....... But I warn you - the odds are scanty , to return to human consciousness and communication.
                      9. -4
                        13 June 2020 14: 30
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Mention of a concept, including Human Rights, signed by the USSR. says that I am a Man

                        Stop, buddy. Speech exactly about the "international legislation you mentioned". This is in itself a bad marker, but this is not the case now: where would you look at this" legislation ", would you tell me? wink

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        I am a person, and I can draw conclusions based on facts and processes.

                        Humans tend to make mistakes. For example, you are mistaken in your, ahem, writing. But this, by the way, is not yet a reason to proudly call oneself a "man" - a man, except for making mistakes, many other things are inherent ...

                        Quote: Hypatius
                        Bullshit - shkolota’s favorite argument, not yet passed the exam

                        Defining something as "nonsense" is not an argument. This is a statement of fact. You messed things up again. Buddy Yes
              2. +1
                11 June 2020 14: 52
                But if the janitor is a beautiful girl and she cooks deliciously, then why not get married?
        4. 0
          11 June 2020 10: 19
          The fact of the matter is that these words were shouted only by political instructors - they were supposed to rely on this by post. According to the memoirs of veterans, the infantry went on the attack with other words, for which they banyat on this site.
      4. +4
        11 June 2020 06: 45
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The country was attacked by the Nazis, but I have a grudge against the authorities. Am I going to side with the fascists? And the liberals are enemies. Therefore, I will come and vote "For". Now minus.

        I am very sorry hi , but why did you write so many bukaf, although all your thought is expressed in the last paragraph?
        Already this year, the negative population growth is more than 200 thousand of our fellow citizens, so-so almost a regional town, right?
        Over 20 years, more than 70 thousand plants and factories have been destroyed, and someone is trying to revive something?
        Shl. Muskva's ear is funded by the Gazprёm- "national property" and Gozmann, the appointed oppositionist, you will find his pictures with the chief executive in the public domain.
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 11: 00
          Malyuta. Hey. It's not that who appointed whom. Let's speculate. Let it be yours and the people will vote against the amendments. It is clear that in this case Putin will not remain president, simply because no one in his entourage will listen to him, but will begin to practice bickering and withdrawal at the same time. Putin will resign. Further two options are possible. According to the constitution, the first VRIO becomes Mishustin or Putin, as Yeltsin in due time will say on TV "go away" and appoint a successor. In both cases, bickering will begin at the top for the chair. Who will win? The winner will be the one whose personality is presented to the people by the media in the most favorable light. For whom will the media be drowned? The answer is clear, for who will give more money? The proof of this was clearly voiced by Soloviev. I receive well, so I support the power in all its manifestations. Who will give more money and who has this money? The answer is clear. And Russia will receive a president, a democrat and a lover of tolerance and universal values, the Crimea and the Kuriles will by itself give up with popular approval by the heated media, indemnity for bad behavior is possible. Do you need it? I don’t. And there is no need to refer to the fact that the CEC will draw what is needed. The people there are literate, and they have the opportunity to assess the situation. As the communists quickly changed their colors in their time, so will our courtiers.
      5. 0
        11 June 2020 07: 09
        Sorry, but it sounds something like this: "the liberals and their overseas masters are screaming heart-rendingly against the government's order to hit the wall with a running start, I understand that this is complete nonsense, but since they are enemies, I went to take a running start."
      6. -2
        11 June 2020 07: 20
        In general, throughout the country, last year there was a collection of signatures for changing the constitution and the abolition of Gorbachev’s illegal actions to dissolve the USSR state authorities. 2 million signatures were collected. Based on this, the current changes are underway. Putin took advantage of this a little in his interests, but this is not the most important. Amendments are the first step towards establishing order in the country. An appeal was sent to the prosecutor's office regarding Gorbachev’s actions on the basis of the same signatures.
        And now the most important thing, Gorbachev’s actions will probably be recognized as not legal, and the amendments indicate that Russia is the legal successor of the USSR.
        The restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 begins. People need to be supported!
        1. +6
          11 June 2020 08: 03
          An appeal was sent to the prosecutor's office regarding Gorbachev’s actions on the basis of the same signatures.
          And now the most important thing, Gorbachev’s actions will probably be recognized as illegal

          You have to wait until the blue brooms.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 09: 07
            We'll have to wait.
        2. +1
          11 June 2020 09: 29
          The restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 begins. People need to be supported!

          The amendment by the president was formulated as a new paragraph in this article of the Constitution:
          "2−1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed. ”

          Demarcation (English demarcation "demarcation") - carrying out any dividing line; definition of the border.
          Remind you who the Daman Island was handed over to China? And how will this amendment prevent you from moving the border posts in the Kuril Islands
        3. 0
          11 June 2020 16: 46
          In 1947, the USSR bought a small territory from Finland, and in the early 50s the last exchange of territories with the Polish People’s Republic took place.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 17: 50
            And in the 1970s, an agreement on the inviolability of borders. Everything that happens on the territory of the USSR is its internal affair. The exit of the republics was not done according to the law, everything that is not legal is subject to cancellation.
            The main thing is that the people make the right conclusions, the process will go.
        4. -4
          11 June 2020 23: 15
          Wake up!
          Lithuania Latvia Estonia Georgia easily join?
          1. -1
            12 June 2020 07: 16
            And who will burn for them in nuclear ashes? They’ll return as cute ones, of course, they will not do without firing because their national armies have no place to withdraw them. But they won’t last long.
      7. +3
        11 June 2020 09: 36
        Colleague mikh-korsakov, your opinion is very sincere. I appreciate people like you, and therefore put you a plus. But just for that. If the adversary attacks, then without any amendments, the President of the country as the Commander-in-Chief declares martial law and takes over all the fullness of power.
      8. -2
        11 June 2020 15: 00
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        But when I heard the heart-rending cries of the liberals and their overseas masters, I changed my mind simply because for me Gozman & Co. and Echo of Moscow are generally worse than the authorities. They are enemies.

        Yes, their own power and nurtured (Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom). To look on their background is not the bottom.
        1. -6
          11 June 2020 15: 23
          Quote: serpent
          Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom

          Lying is bad wink No. laughing
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            1. -3
              11 June 2020 17: 40
              Quote: serpent
              And what is wrong

              Yes, almost everything laughing

              Gazprom does not finance Echo. Your fence links - nothing request
              1. 0
                11 June 2020 18: 00
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Gazprom does not finance Echo. Your fence links - nothing

                Putin on the 2018 Direct Line said that Gazprom is financing Echo. If this is "about nothing", then what is "about what", knight of Truth?
                Here is another Wikipedia article:

                1. -3
                  11 June 2020 18: 03
                  Quote: serpent
                  Putin on Direct Line 2018 said Gazprom is funding Echo

                  What place is out of 4.5 hours? Specify, be kind Yes

                  UPD: well, I see ... you got a familiar word. I will disappoint you to the impossibility - Nazprom-Media is not Gazprom at all ... oddly enough laughing
                  1. 0
                    11 June 2020 18: 06
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    What place is out of 4.5 hours? Specify, be kind

                    I already pointed out ... Here I see, here I do not see? fool
                    Quote: serpent
                    At 3:29:20
                    1. -3
                      11 June 2020 18: 17
                      Quote: serpent
                      I pointed out already ...

                      Clear.

                      My friend, this is from the same series as "Putin is a liberal". The question is settled, I suppose? wink
                      1. -1
                        11 June 2020 18: 44
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The question is settled, I suppose?

                        Do you still think that I lied?
                      2. 0
                        11 June 2020 23: 17
                        Yes, he merged as usual, he did not get used to the shameful flight. The crumbs are already worked out
                  2. 0
                    11 June 2020 18: 26
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Nazprom-Media is not Gazprom at all ... oddly enough

                    Nazprom maybe not Gazprom, but here is Gazprom Media:
                    Since 2005, Gazprombank has owned 100% of Gazprom Media

                    Gazprombank:
                    PJSC Gazprom - 29,76% of ordinary shares;
                    Gazprom Capital LLC - 16,25% of ordinary shares in trust owned by Gazprom Gas Distribution JSC.
                    GAZFOND Non-state Pension Fund Joint Stock Company - 41,58% of ordinary shares

                    Chairman of the Board of Directors of Gazprom Media and Gazprombank - Alexey Miller. He is the chairman of the Gazprom Management Committee.
                    So that:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Lying is bad wink No. laughing
                    1. -4
                      11 June 2020 18: 32
                      My friend - who belongs to whom - this is one thing. Who finances whom - this is a completely different matter. What Putin answered to the stupid question is the third matter.

                      Troll me to no purpose if you haven’t understood for so many years laughing
                      1. -1
                        11 June 2020 18: 46
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        My friend - who belongs to whom - this is one thing. Who finances whom - this is a completely different matter. What Putin answered to the stupid question is the third matter.

                        Philosophy began ... "Here we play, here we do not play, but here I wrapped the fish."
                        Gazprom, through its subsidiary banks-shamans, gives money to the “oppositionists” from Echo Tel Aviv. Fact. What else is there to talk about?
                      2. -4
                        11 June 2020 18: 53
                        Quote: serpent
                        Gazprom, through its subsidiary banks-shamans, gives money to the “oppositionists” from Echo Tel Aviv. Fact

                        Did you see the payments yourself? Lay out scans?

                        Do not tell the sneakers, they are so funny ...
                      3. -1
                        11 June 2020 19: 13
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Did you see the payments yourself? Lay out scans?

                        It’s enough for me that Putin recognizes this to the whole country, and that they do not hide this in the internet. And the payments ... Neither I nor you saw them. Or did you still see and now lay them out and prove that I lied?
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Do not tell the sneakers, they are so funny ...

                        Slippers are funny, and you yourself ...
                        Already managed to knock, our shot ...
                      4. -5
                        11 June 2020 19: 18
                        Quote: serpent
                        I have enough that Putin recognizes this throughout the country

                        Man, this is just the case when "what is the question is the answer." A la "I would like you to say - I am a liberal" - "yes, I am a liberal." We have "sylvester" loves this video very much laughing

                        Okay. To convince you of something, to teach ... but only to spoil it. Good luck wink
                      5. 0
                        11 June 2020 19: 22
                        But I didn’t just quote Putin’s words. Unlike you. You didn't bring anything. Only blah blah blah. Why, one wonders, jumped out with their phrase about "lying is not good" ..?
                      6. -2
                        11 June 2020 19: 40
                        Quote: serpent
                        You have not brought anything

                        Serpent, you are a bore somewhere. Here, catch, sapienti, as they say, sat:

                        PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), at the request of Gazprom Media, conducted an audit of the finance of Echo of Moscow for 2013, Vladimir Shemyakin, First Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom Media, told Vedomosti. As a result of the audit, the radio station’s reporting revealed clear discrepancies between the amount of advertising time sold and the revenue received, he says. “We don’t know whether this discrepancy is sloppiness, theft or banal barter, so it’s too early to draw conclusions at this stage,” said Shemyakin, “nevertheless, we are extremely concerned about such reporting by the radio station”

                        Gazprom Media controls a 66% stake in Echo, the rest is with American EM-Holding. Co-owners of the latter are Yuri Fedutinov, Alexei Venediktov, the former owner of the Most group, Vladimir Gusinsky, his partner Igor Malashenko and journalists of the radio station


                        Read, there are quite clearly described the relationship of Gazprom-Media and Echo.

                        And do not bother anymore with stupid things, weary already.
                      7. -2
                        11 June 2020 19: 49
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        quite clearly described the relationship of Gazprom Media and Echo.

                        Yes, nothing is described there, except that:
                        In early February, Echo shareholders at the request of Gazprom Media appointed a new general director of the radio station, Ekaterina Pavlova.

                        Who pays grandfather (Venediktov), ​​he dances.
                      8. -3
                        11 June 2020 20: 10
                        Quote: serpent
                        Yes, nothing is described there, except that

                        Mdja ...

                        Quote: Ibid
                        Echo is one of the most popular radio stations in Moscow. The company does not disclose financial results. Fedutinov and Shemyakin say the company's revenue last year was about $ 10 million. The radio station is not unprofitable, Shemyakin specified

                        All these offices (and Gazprom-Media, in addition to Ehi, includes NTV, TNT, and much more) are self-sustaining. The holding controls their livelihoods and has its own income from them ... and does not support them at all "purely out of love for art." Hence the audit and the change of leadership ... I said sapienti sat. You, apparently - "not sat". Well, here I am powerless request
                      9. -2
                        11 June 2020 20: 18
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I said - sapienti sat.

                        I also like winged Latin expressions, but do not write the same thing twice in a row. You won’t become smarter twice.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The holding controls their livelihoods and has its own income from them ... and does not support them at all "purely out of love for art."

                        And Echo's shares were simply presented to Gazprom, "purely out of love for state-owned companies" ...
                      10. -3
                        11 June 2020 20: 25
                        Quote: serpent
                        And Echo's shares were just presented to Gazprom, "purely out of love for state-owned companies."

                        And this already does not apply to the matter at all ... but to help you sleep better, I’ll explain:

                        On November 14, 2011, speaking in the Commercial Court of London as a witness at the trial in a lawsuit filed by Boris Berezovsky against Roman Abramovich, the former head of the Presidential Administration Alexander Voloshin denied the information that Gusinsky allegedly sold his Media-MOST media holding to Gazprom, in exchange for the removal of criminal charges. Despite the fact that many circumstances suggest otherwise, Voloshin believes that this was a voluntary transaction

                        Honestly squeezed out of one of the "seven bankers" laughing
                      11. -2
                        11 June 2020 20: 45
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Despite the fact that many circumstances suggest otherwise, Voloshin believes that this was a voluntary transaction

                        Just think - the circumstances! The main thing is how Voloshin thinks.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And this is completely irrelevant ...

                        The point where it all began is relevant, namely: the pro-government company Gazprom has financial relations with Echo of Moscow, which uniquely defines this liberal get-together as a manual, systemic "opposition." That's where the dog rummaged ...
                      12. -3
                        11 June 2020 21: 06
                        Quote: serpent
                        how it all began, namely: the pro-government company Gazprom has financial relations with the Echo of Moscow

                        Not this way. It began with this:

                        Quote: serpent
                        Gazprom finances Echo

                        This is not true. The echo is part of a Gazprom-controlled structure, and it is a donor in this structure, not an acceptor of financial resources. I hope the terminology does not bother you laughing

                        The same thing that you said, namely -

                        Quote: serpent
                        Gazprom finances Echo

                        - the essence of a lie, or, colloquially, a lie. What was indicated to you ... my friend Yes
                      13. -2
                        11 June 2020 21: 17
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The same thing that you said, namely -
                        Quote: serpent
                        Gazprom finances Echo

                        - the essence of a lie, or, colloquially, a lie. What was indicated to you ... my friend

                        Venediktov acknowledged that Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom
                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/ruslanostashko/venediktov-priznal-chto-eho-moskvy-finansiruet-gazprom-5b67f50735269000a986ab8f
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The echo is part of a Gazprom-controlled structure, and it is a donor in this structure, not an acceptor of financial resources.

                      14. -3
                        11 June 2020 21: 54
                        Quote: serpent
                        Venediktov acknowledged that Echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom

                        And on the fence "screw" is written ... everything, disappear, otherwise I will start to get angry laughing
                      15. -2
                        11 June 2020 22: 09
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And on the fence "screw" is written

                        The fence says "drain".
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        otherwise I’ll start to go wild

                        Not scary. Call the orderlies. For the first time or something ... wink
                      16. -2
                        11 June 2020 23: 26
                        To go wild! Oeeeea.
                        And the cage is shattered and the drinker is broken and the sawdust is scattered
                      17. -4
                        11 June 2020 23: 55
                        Yes, this is his chip - to threaten. Apparently for wit ...
                      18. -3
                        11 June 2020 23: 21
                        Yes, the epic failure (breakthrough) is ceased, so they’ll do it ..
                      19. -3
                        11 June 2020 23: 20
                        Well, do not trample it so much, otherwise we’ll not overhear the squeal)))
                        See that they were cornered))
        2. -1
          12 June 2020 04: 46
          Sergei! Yeah, right by the joke, I’m looking at Gazprom, the State Department took a closer look
      9. -1
        11 June 2020 22: 56
        And what, without resetting, after 2024 immediately "who if not gozman" chtoli?
  7. 0
    11 June 2020 05: 28
    They could strongly "cheer up" the voter, stimulate, attract, by the amendment / law prohibiting the "servants of the people", lay a "straw" for themselves over the hill, prepare the landing site for later! Soft, warm, sweet .... I would agree to that, right away.
    And so ...... not balanced, the balance is not in favor.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 07: 22
      You will be surprised, but there it is, civil servants are prohibited from shield in foreign banks, and dual citizenship.
      1. -1
        11 June 2020 07: 37
        Quote: Herman 4223
        You will be surprised, but there it is, civil servants are prohibited from shield in foreign banks, and dual citizenship.

        No, this morning I heard something like that, about the "nationalization of the elite" ..,. need to read, figure it out !!!
        Whether I am right or not, then we'll see.
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 07: 41
          I read the amendments yesterday, it is there.
          1. +3
            11 June 2020 07: 43
            I will read, be sure.
            1. -3
              11 June 2020 07: 52
              I like the amendment where it says that Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Voting is based on last year's collection of signatures, and there was still a demand to investigate the illegal actions of 1991, on the dissolution of state authorities of the USSR. The last request was transferred to the prosecutor’s office last year. It is a pity in the media deathly silence, if the amendments are passed and the prosecutor's office recognizes those actions as illegal, then the restoration of the country within the legal borders of 1945 will begin. Oh it will be fun.
              1. +1
                11 June 2020 08: 10
                Quote: Herman 4223
                Oh it will be fun.

                So that is, there are well-known public figures who predict a lot of "fun" for us ...
                But they are realists, they know just more, although they predict, point to sharp corners in our reality, remind us that we wouldn’t have any special illusions that the AUTHORITY, SYSTEM will have something to put into the public field, understand and .... in short, they have a desire, there are opportunities, to align the corners in a quiet way or just hide them in other corners ...
                In short, citizens will not be admitted to many topics!
                In short, "fun" will be, but somehow on the one hand!
              2. -1
                11 June 2020 22: 58
                After this comment, questions to your comments have reset to zero ...
                1. 0
                  12 June 2020 07: 07
                  Nullify as much as you want, I do not mind.
                  But if you reset everything to zero then you yourself will not go further in development.
  8. -2
    11 June 2020 05: 39
    Do we have another, alternative, state? So you can, and vice versa, alter everything, like everything that you do not do, you do to the detriment of the authorities! We have a choice, or rather, we, as always, have an imitation of elections, when everything has already been decided and calculated! And, about Paroshenko, the author, are you sure of the figures that were lied to us from the Ukrainian language? That is, the bundles of ballots by themselves crawled into the boxes, there were no massive falsifications? You have to go to the elections, because we have already given everything to the mercy of the authorities, let everything go to chance with our political amorphousness! It is another matter whether the people have enough courage to write in the bulletin en masse "I am for changes to the Constitution, but I am against the nullification of the term of the President of Russia! It would be time for him to leave honestly himself" !!!
    1. -2
      11 June 2020 05: 59
      Quote: Thrifty
      It's another matter whether the people have enough courage to write in the bulletin en masse "I am for amendments to the Constitution, but I am against the nullification of the term of the President of Russia! It would be time for him to leave honestly himself" !!!

      Believe it, it is very naive and simple-minded alas. You can say "halva" a hundred times, it will not become sweeter in your mouth.
    2. +1
      11 June 2020 06: 14
      Quote: rocket757
      They could strongly "cheer up" the voter, stimulate, attract ...

      I often see granite and marble “incentives” when I visit the Kemerovo city cemetery. Apparently they are stimulating someone that in the country a thief is a thief and a thief chases.
      I believe that Russia has built such a system of power in which the opinion of a particular voter (hundreds of voters, thousands of voters, a million voters ...) does not affect the processes in the country. It is because of this that the apathy of the electorate has a place to be. Nobody trusts the receipt of their own salary to a third party ... There are no people who want to put the keys to the apartment where the money is (or the mouse was hung in the refrigerator) under the rug ... This is an incentive, this is called personal interest.
      Russia has already shown the difference between words and deeds and the same rights for everyone:
      Article 19
      1. All are equal before the law and the court.
      2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
      3. A man and a woman have equal rights and freedoms and equal opportunities for their realization.

      Most of all I like the article:
      Article 20
      1. Everyone has the right to life.
      2. Until its abolition, the death penalty may be established by federal law as an exceptional measure of punishment for especially grave crimes against life, if the accused person is granted the right to a jury trial.

      “Right to life” or “right to a dignified life”? And why does life in some regions resemble delayed death?
      Quote: Thrifty
      Do we have another, alternative, state? ... It's another matter, will the people have the courage to write in the bulletin in large quantities “I am for changes to the Constitution, but I am against the nullification of the term of the President of Russia!

      Will there be enough courage to spoil the ballot and cast its “against amendments” to the bank of votes “for”? But did the people have the courage when they told him that “yes,” “yes,” “no,” “yes,” is the only right choice?

      Or did the people get scared and did not come to the polls?
      We need a socially oriented state with a socialist economy, when “private owners” do not put their feet on natural resources. Our land and us (our children and grandchildren) live on it. Therefore, the constitution of the state must guarantee the rights and freedoms for the vast majority of citizens. It should be adopted by a majority vote. It should not contain articles that directly or indirectly derogate the dignity of Russian citizens and give “preferential” rights even for a small category even denounced by “special” rights.
      No one has the right to change the guarantees of life on their own or through authorities except through a popular referendum.
      1. -3
        11 June 2020 06: 52
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I believe that Russia has built such a system of power in which the opinion of a particular voter (hundreds of voters, thousands of voters, a million voters ...)

        I'll try to change it, put accents in a different way ..... "A SYSTEM has been built in Russia, which doesn't care, who sits there at the very top, publicly represents it ... for the PEOPLE, nothing will fundamentally change from that !!! we need some kind of legality, legitimization ... she's just playing it all! SHOB ALREADY DOES NOT LOOK AT ALL ODIOUS, in the eyes here and there, someone's.
        This is nothing special, for the rest of the world, there are so many where, just dressed up in different attributes, clothes and now teach everyone in a row how to live for us ...
        It is useless to go in for a specific, upper, public person. not one, but the other, not much different from the previous one, for us, for the poor, working people. This system was created by the RICH and for the RICH! Sometimes they pull on a fleur like they are guardians of national, state interests !!! Someone is better at it, others worse, but EVERYTHING is the same, they only baked about themselves, it will be so.
        The amendments / changes no longer excite me in any way, because even without them, in the hands of the leaders was / is. All the necessary laws / tools, for the normal leadership of the state, FOR THE PEOPLE COULD BE DONE ... this is another pull ... of pink glasses on the voter.
        THE SYSTEM will not be .... replaced, so everything will remain the same!
        At the expense of zeroing ... unpleasant, but pof, our LEO does not look so decrepit, in principle, it is "familiar" to everyone, understandable, predictable! Stability, however!
  9. +7
    11 June 2020 05: 54
    Having come to vote, citizen M. agrees that his opinion or candidate will either win or lose.
    And in the end it turns out that the vote as such does not begin outside the doors of the polling station, but in front of them. And first, we vote with our feet for the legitimacy of what is happening in general and express the trust of the authorities, and then we go to the voting hall to the details.
    So burn, eat, ... newsletters are completely optional. In any case, taking it in your hands, you have already made the first part of the choice.

    I don’t quite agree, Roman. What about the situation when we say 80-85% vote against? Same agreement?
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 07: 16
      Quote: Tugarin
      I don’t quite agree, Roman. What about the situation when we say 80-85% vote against? Same agreement?

      I’m responsible for Roman: they will not vote against ... I came across a counting system.
      1. +4
        11 June 2020 09: 10
        I’m responsible for Roman: they will not vote against ... I came across a counting system

        That is, if such a result is found during the counting of votes, then it will not be given a move (they will withdraw part of the "Against" ballots) and more acceptable for myself numbers? Did you mean that?
        1. +3
          11 June 2020 09: 16
          Quote: Tugarin
          That is, if such a result is found during the counting of votes, then they will not give it a move (they will withdraw part of the "Against" ballots) and publish more acceptable figures for themselves?

          no one will count anything. they will pretend that they think. and the ballots are all in the trash. we found whole dumps of this good already in the morning after the "vote", and prepared "left" papers ... but that was at the beginning, in the late 90s .Now they do not bother themselves with this. live example. when 78 people came to the polling station, and 300+ voted. in the last minutes.
        2. 0
          11 June 2020 09: 19
          Quote: Tugarin
          That is, if such a result is found during the counting of votes, then they will not give it a move (they will withdraw part of the "Against" ballots) and publish more acceptable figures for themselves? Is that what you mean?

          The results have already been dropped in the regions: turnout 56-60%, for 60-68%.
  10. +7
    11 June 2020 06: 08
    Suppose people voted against the changes. What will change in our life? Will not marry between a man and a woman? Will the Siberian Cranes fly the other way? Bluffing is everything, for the sake of a well-known goal.
    1. +3
      11 June 2020 07: 45
      And what without a constitution, marriages between a man and a woman did not occur?
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 10: 11
        Quote: Gardamir
        And what without a constitution, marriages between a man and a woman did not occur?

        So you are talking about the same thing.
  11. +1
    11 June 2020 06: 27
    As Stirlitz would say, there are no ligaments .....
    What conclusion does the author call for? If you are in opposition, to score in any election, having appeared a complete ignore of the authorities?
    In theory, beautiful. In practice, this means completely untying the same power of the hand and allowing it to the FSE.
    Even in spite of her kind of "illegitimacy"
  12. -3
    11 June 2020 06: 29
    Bravo, Roman!
  13. +1
    11 June 2020 06: 55
    I’ll go to the vote. No matter how the author dodges in his fabrications ...
    I am Russian.
    How I will vote is my business. I also have not seen the ballot in my eyes.
    I vote according to my conscience.
    For it is not in the tradition of my people to sit at home and peep in the crack when the universal, conciliar, work is completed.
    When my grandchildren ask me many years later: "Grandpa, did you go to the vote for the new Constitution?"
    Putin is not eternal.
    And Russia - forever!
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 22: 01
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      When my grandchildren ask me many years later: "Grandpa, did you vote for the new Constitution?", I will answer:

      - What grandfather am I to you? I recently reset to zero, and now I'm the same kid like you!

      Quote: Paul Siebert
      All real Russians went.

      "Entertaining ethnology with Paul Siebert" or how I turned out to be a "fake" Russian.
  14. +5
    11 June 2020 06: 57
    Everything is as usual with us - started for health, finished for peace. Until they introduce the death penalty and confiscation for officials without exception and nonhumans as they are atrocities, nothing will change.
  15. +1
    11 June 2020 07: 05
    Do not spoil the ballot; vote as your mind tells you, if there is of course. And scream together, the destiny of the wretched and stupid.
  16. +6
    11 June 2020 07: 11
    Be sure to come and be sure to vote ..
  17. +3
    11 June 2020 07: 21
    I will vote for! At least three dollars to change the vile Yeltsin constitution. She is dead, like all liberal ideas. And what is dead must be removed. To evil "thinking little people with bright faces"
    1. +13
      11 June 2020 09: 24
      Vote for! At least for tr, to change the vile Yeltsin constitution

      Your desire to change the current vile constitution is respectable and supported by the majority. The problem is that the very "colonial" essence of the government in it refused to change. Putin said this directly. You cannot be independent if your "wallet" is in someone else's pocket. This is me and about disobedience CBR to the Government, and about property / family for officials abroad.
      Therefore, the new constitution will remain just as vile.
    2. +6
      11 June 2020 10: 17
      so the amendments do not reject the Yeltsin constitution. It will be Yeltsin-Putin. But really nothing will change.
    3. AUL
      +2
      11 June 2020 14: 04
      And how will these amendments improve the vile (really) constitution? A couple of new declarations?
  18. -6
    11 June 2020 07: 39
    Quote: Sayan
    Quote: Far In
    Exclusively my imha: go to vote on any need. "Against". Because, no matter how good some amendments are, all the good in them is killed by the only one that is about zeroing. And to spoil the newsletter, and even more so to sit at home - to play in favor of Ellochka and the sun. In the end, 2018 showed that when people massively say their fi, falsifying elections (yes, any voting) becomes problematic. I mean, for example, Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory, where the candidates from EdRa flew like plywood over Paris. True, in Primorye then the authorities insolently did everything in their own way, but that is ...

    The people showed their phi before the 18th, back in the XNUMXs, and then they removed the candidate "against everyone", and then canceled the minimum turnout percentage

    What makes you all so bother?
  19. +1
    11 June 2020 07: 53
    Well, I think it explains
  20. +2
    11 June 2020 07: 54
    I won’t agitate campaigning prohibited (they are INFORM) but I’ll say that I’m going to vote against, since this is a demonstration that it is not good to wipe the constitution, that they are tired, the demonstration is not so much to them, but to fellow citizens, neighbors, colleagues, etc. I’ll go vote against to stand in solidarity with those who vote the same
  21. -14
    11 June 2020 07: 55
    All of you who have raised the hubbub to vote or not to vote, for or against ... well, I don’t like the amendment about the "mythical" zeroing (the text of the amendment would be read first), you don’t want to see Putin again for the next term - come to the polls in 4 years and vote against him ... or you hike are not sure that 2% of the whining emo communists and socialists have any weight? tongue
  22. +11
    11 June 2020 08: 04
    They need a turnout, and they will write the result as they need. Therefore, I won’t go
  23. -5
    11 June 2020 08: 06
    Let's leave the veiled call to boycott the event on the author's conscience. Whose point of view he defends, I think, is understandable. But I would like to briefly say the following. I personally assess the limitation of the number of opportunities to be president as an infringement of my right to choose someone whom I consider worthy. The last name is not important here. This is the norm of Western political practice in parliamentary-presidential republics with a "weak" president and a "strong" parliament, where the figure of the president himself is not decisive in decision-making, especially on the outer contour. It was squeezed into the constitution for us by "overseas friends" in 1993 and is a reminder of the incomplete sovereignty in those years. The hysteria of some "circles" about the zeroing of the deadlines is caused by the lack of confidence of the minority, these "circles" that the majority of Russian citizens share their point of view. Those. they, this minority, want to dominate the majority in the matter of choosing the leader of the country. Whose interest they reflect, I think, is also not necessary to guess. Nevertheless, Patrushev is right. Started... laughing
    1. -4
      11 June 2020 08: 25
      Quote: Hagen
      Let's leave the veiled call to boycott the event on the author's conscience. Whose point of view he defends, I think, is understandable. But I would like to briefly say the following. I personally assess the limitation of the number of opportunities to be president as an infringement of my right to choose someone whom I consider worthy. The last name is not important here. This is the norm of Western political practice in parliamentary-presidential republics with a "weak" president and a "strong" parliament, where the figure of the president himself is not decisive in decision-making, especially on the outer contour. It was squeezed into the constitution for us by "overseas friends" in 1993 and is a reminder of the incomplete sovereignty in those years. The hysteria of some "circles" about the zeroing of the deadlines is caused by the lack of confidence of the minority, these "circles" that the majority of Russian citizens share their point of view. Those. they, this minority, want to dominate the majority in the matter of choosing the leader of the country. Whose interest they reflect, I think, is also not necessary to guess. Nevertheless, Patrushev is right. Started... laughing

      It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018.
      1. -8
        11 June 2020 08: 46
        It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018. good good You are completely right !!!!!
      2. +8
        11 June 2020 09: 29
        Quote: letinant
        It is useless to explain here, they will not understand. Here they only learned to whine. I'm more than sure most did not read the amendments, at all. One thing is not clear on this site, the same people are throwing substance on a fan. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, all these persons were registered in 2018.

        Hmm, now it’s hard for the old center liberals. crying good On the one hand, the red ones are kicking, on the other hand, your native market ultra-liberals are striving to bite, and even the crested ones are pecking from under the silence ... laughing Your crooks turned up business in the country, nowhere else. negative
      3. -3
        11 June 2020 10: 15
        Quote: letinant
        Maybe a coincidence

        I don’t think .... wassat
    2. +3
      11 June 2020 09: 34
      There is a clause in the US Constitution according to which a person cannot be president for more than 2 terms and it doesn’t matter whether they are in a row or not. The question is, does the US also have problems with sovereignty? Has someone imposed such a system on them? Or maybe this is a system of balances that allows people to choose an alternative? Moreover, this alternative has a name, and not just a party label and list ...
      For: the 1993 constitution cut all the ideas of borrowing from the working systems of the West, removing the counterweight in parliament ... because the president is our king, holding elections without a choice ...
      And vote, do not vote - you will still get zeroing ...
      1. -1
        11 June 2020 11: 36
        Quote: parma
        There is a clause in the US Constitution according to which a person cannot be president for more than 2 terms and it doesn’t matter whether they are in a row or not. The question is, does the US also have problems with sovereignty? Has someone imposed such a system on them? Or maybe this is a system of balances that allows people to choose an alternative? Moreover, this alternative has a name, and not just a party label and list ...
        For: the 1993 constitution cut all the ideas of borrowing from the working systems of the West, removing the counterweight in parliament ... because the president is our king, holding elections without a choice ...
        And vote, do not vote - you will still get zeroing ...

        An amendment to the US Constitution on the number of terms was introduced in 1945, after the death of Roosevelt. Up to this point, the US president could be reelected without restrictions. They introduced it in order not to repeat the situation that developed under the leadership of T. Roosevelt. With the help of trade unions, Roosevel forced businessmen (essentially classical oligarchs) to pay decent wages and comply with social norms. In addition, the maximum possible mark-ups on the product from its cost price (10% -15%) and the maximum number of intermediaries when delivering goods from the manufacturer to the consumer (no more than two) were determined. A certain percentage of income, a businessman (the owner of production facilities) should have been invested in development or modernization, this was prescribed by law. Therefore, there are still unions afraid of fire. During the life of Roosevelt, a referendum was held on his appointment as president for life, the majority he became. Since during the life of Roosevelt, it was not possible to enact a law on the number of terms (people loved their president for the reforms) .Aligarchs waited for his death and quickly entered this amendment into the US Constitution (I did not remember how I did it for a long time). In principle, we are now facing the same situation. The amendments that give our country the primacy of our right are leveled, the ban on the possession of money abroad by officials, is also silent and much more. But it rises to bayonets about zeroing the deadline for the president. Taking advantage of Putin, this amendment or not, is his right. I have a few questions for him, but I definitely know one thing. I lived in the 90s and I don’t want to go there anymore. REMEMBER, some individuals who write that they must vote against are trying to leave our country in the 90s. Indeed, it was under this constitution (1993) that our country was sacked.
        1. +2
          11 June 2020 12: 19
          Let's not bustle. If dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not plan to use this opportunity, why was the question raised? If we have a parliament, let alone United Russia (the party of the President), which is completely independent and controlled by the head of state, then why didn’t he make a statement that he was not interested in that, and so on? After all, such a step would clearly add to his popularity and obviously not a little! Well, we won’t guess and turn to past experience - when under President Medvedev they increased the term to 6 years, no one understood for whom this was done and who would be the main state after 2012?
          Regarding the "looting" of the 90s, it didn’t end either in the 0th or now ... just shoot less steel, now everything is decided by landing the opponent’s representatives until the issue is resolved, but how it goes .. we have deputies and governors and members of the Federation Council, which one morning turned out to be members of organized crime groups ... but before that no one knew, did not see what they were doing in 90? I think you yourself know very well the members of the city or regional Duma of your small homeland, who were a bit shaved at 90, in a leather jacket and with a firearm in the trunk .. and this new constitution will not stop at all ...
          1. 0
            11 June 2020 12: 39
            Quote: parma
            Let's not bustle. If dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not plan to use this opportunity, why was the question raised? If we have a parliament, let alone United Russia (the party of the President), which is completely independent and controlled by the head of state, then why didn’t he make a statement that he was not interested in that, and so on? After all, such a step would clearly add to his popularity and obviously not a little! Well, we won’t guess and turn to past experience - when under President Medvedev they increased the term to 6 years, no one understood for whom this was done and who would be the main state after 2012?
            Regarding the "looting" of the 90s, it didn’t end either in the 0th or now ... just shoot less steel, now everything is decided by landing the opponent’s representatives until the issue is resolved, but how it goes .. we have deputies and governors and members of the Federation Council, which one morning turned out to be members of organized crime groups ... but before that no one knew, did not see what they were doing in 90? I think you yourself know very well the members of the city or regional Duma of your small homeland, who were a bit shaved at 90, in a leather jacket and with a firearm in the trunk .. and this new constitution will not stop at all ...

            For you, we have a presidential-parliamentary structure of the state. Second, the president is not a member of the United Russia party. Third, he is probably not a populist, and therefore does not throw words. I didn’t refuse to sit and think that it wouldn’t go away, otherwise the mice under the carpet were running up.
            1. -2
              11 June 2020 13: 42
              It’s clear that not everyone distributed the new manuals, but it’s understandable ... self-isolation ...
              For you, we have a presidential form of government, since after 1993 the president can dissolve parliament faster and easier than get impeached. The second is that the president of folklore is not formally a member of the party, due to clause 3
              Our president is a populist, his words and promises diverged from actions more than once — starting with the first promise to “soak” the Chechen fighters in the toilet (as a result, the head of one of the entities is the former field commander of these same fighters) and ending with the promise not to increase the retirement age while he head of state ...
              Well, the last - what about the new one, that according to the old constitution, he cannot become head of state without zeroing in 2024 .. but maybe because of his age he can’t become president after 2030 (he has already survived the Russian age of “survival” ) zeroing and suggested ...
              Ps: why didn’t they comment on the “looting”? In the training manual there are no instructions, who lived in 90 you are our ...
              1. +1
                11 June 2020 14: 40
                why didn’t they comment on the “looting”? In the training manual there are no instructions, who lived in 90 you are our ...
                Well, I'd better ask you why you don't know what form of government we have. You can talk about the amendments, only with you, it's empty. And here you have, specifically training manuals. They would say for other amendments, well, for example, a decrease in presidential opportunities, but no, you are all "incubator", under one carbon copy, about zeroing the term. Well, okay, leave power to Putin, I agree. He will get up and look around and you will have fun. Do you think he will not become president, he will lose power? You are more stupid than I thought you were.
                1. 0
                  11 June 2020 15: 44
                  I, as an educated person (I have 2 higher educations, but not Moscow, but I am an energy specialist, and our UrFU is considered even better than Moscow in terms of training energy specialists) was trained to say something about the topic before saying anything. And the author himself, Roman, already covered this topic a couple of months ago ... there is nothing to discuss in the amendments, since they either change the wording without changing the essence or duplicate other normative acts, in short populism ..
                  Regarding what I do not agree with yet, well, that the capital is Moscow and in no other way in peacetime ... if it were my will, I would transfer the capital every 5 years so that not only Moscow would grow and develop at the expense of the federal budget ...
                  Regarding other articles, well, maybe a time limit of up to 2, but so far this is relevant only for onnamnedimon ... maybe there were only 3 presidents, one doesn’t matter at all, no one will choose the other, and the third will be reset to zero ... in the future, it might hurt someone but 16 years is a very long time ..
                  Regarding Vladimir Vladimirovich’s preservation of power outside the presidency, there is no such LEGAL possibility under the 2020 or 1993 constitution (and variations not backed by law will not give him any guarantees of either power or security), therefore it’s pointless to discuss this and I didn’t even consider this option
                  1. 0
                    11 June 2020 16: 22
                    Quote: parma
                    I, as an educated person (I have 2 higher educations, but not Moscow, but I am an energy specialist, and our UrFU is considered even better than Moscow in terms of training energy specialists) was trained to say something about the topic before saying anything. And the author himself, Roman, already covered this topic a couple of months ago ... there is nothing to discuss in the amendments, since they either change the wording without changing the essence or duplicate other normative acts, in short populism ..
                    Regarding what I do not agree with yet, well, that the capital is Moscow and in no other way in peacetime ... if it were my will, I would transfer the capital every 5 years so that not only Moscow would grow and develop at the expense of the federal budget ...
                    Regarding other articles, well, maybe a time limit of up to 2, but so far this is relevant only for onnamnedimon ... maybe there were only 3 presidents, one doesn’t matter at all, no one will choose the other, and the third will be reset to zero ... in the future, it might hurt someone but 16 years is a very long time ..
                    Regarding Vladimir Vladimirovich’s preservation of power outside the presidency, there is no such LEGAL possibility under the 2020 or 1993 constitution (and variations not backed by law will not give him any guarantees of either power or security), therefore it’s pointless to discuss this and I didn’t even consider this option

                    Well, let's point by point.
                    1. The author of the text, wrote twice about the same thing, and in the same context. without consideration on the other hand. The first time, before an appointed but not held referendum. Second before appointed. Conclusion, you are an electrician, with two formations. The article, either custom-made, or, the author wants to HYIPANUT. But neither the first nor the second makes him smarter.
                    2. Thank God that you are not the president! And then with your moves, the country flew into the pipe. I don’t know about your education. But moving the capital is not easy to say, today it is Rostov. In this case, it is necessary to transport the entire infrastructure, the presidential apparatus, organize security and much more. In general, THANKS TO GOD THAT YOU ARE NOT A PRESIDENT. And your text is very similar to the thoughts of a teenager than a person related to energy.
                    3. And about the preservation of power. You said it yourself. "United Russia", his, as a party leader, he can do a lot of things and his hands are freer. Yes, and the post of primministr, has not been canceled, and the terms have not been set there.
      2. -1
        11 June 2020 16: 57
        The amendment to the US Constitution deals specifically with two consecutive terms. Theoretically, no one can the same Obama again to run for president.
        1. +3
          11 June 2020 17: 04
          Quote: Sergej1972
          The amendment to the US Constitution deals specifically with two consecutive terms. Theoretically, no one can the same Obama again to run for president.

          You are not familiar with the US Constitution either theoretically or practically and automatically transfer to them your Russian realities of bullying the letter and the spirit of the fundamental law.
          The twenty-second amendment to the US Constitution was adopted by Congress on March 21, 1947 and ratified by the required number of states on February 7, 1951.

          Establishes that the same person can hold the presidency of the United States no more than two terms (regardless of whether in a row or intermittently)
          .
          1. +1
            12 June 2020 02: 37
            Guilty, wrong. You could say, laughed. Hoping for memory. I have texts of constitutions of most countries of the world, both current and historical. It was necessary to double-check.
    3. +5
      11 June 2020 10: 13
      Quote: Hagen
      Patrushev is right

      Minister of Agriculture?
      1. -3
        11 June 2020 10: 22
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Minister of Agriculture?

        No, his dad ... The one who is the secretary of the Security Council ...
        1. +7
          11 June 2020 10: 26
          Quote: Hagen
          No, his dad ...

          Are there any grandfathers there? Or granddaughters?
          1. -5
            11 June 2020 10: 43
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Are there any grandfathers there? Or granddaughters?

            As I understand it, the essence of the issue does not concern you? Do you have a hangover? Well, for God's sake. This is just the case when the fly in the ointment is neglectingly small, even for a mug of honey ...
            1. +6
              11 June 2020 10: 51
              Quote: Hagen
              As I understand it, the essence of the issue does not concern you?

              Patrushev's biography speaks for itself.
  24. +10
    11 June 2020 08: 09
    Yes, and you can also take a crust of bread, sprinkle with salt, rub with garlic and ... Yes, we are holding on, Vladimir Vladimirovich ... we are holding on ... Lord, how in 30 years, as the power has not excluded the people ... Everyone forgot that this Constitution, which is being amended, "American", was voted in unison in 1993 ... Then, it suited everyone ... Now, it turns out, "they gave a blunder" laughing ... Amendments, a set meal .. Whether you want it or not, but eat ... The unnamed one, he swore by his mother, there would be no increase in the retirement age. Trust me? And ...? ... That will be the same with bone-amendments ... to the same "American" constitution ... which was voted for in 1993 ... Let's improve the bad ... Create a good, New Constitution - it is beyond the power, and it is not necessary for those who are in power ... A plebiscite will pass. Passions will subside ... Amendments will be adopted ... Then we will all, thoughtfully and for a long time, explain why many of them do not work and are not implemented and why these guarantees are not provided .... Bet on red, bet on green, zero hf "Bluff" will still win
  25. +8
    11 June 2020 08: 13
    Read the author carefully. He is right. For that, Platoshkin suffered. We were invited to vote by "list". And the list is different: both good and unacceptable. Do you want to eat a fragrant kebab - please. But before that you need to drink a glass of slop. Do not like? Well, you yourself voted for these rules with a list.
    1. -6
      11 June 2020 08: 14
      Quote: siberalt
      Read the author carefully. We were invited to vote by "list". And the list is different: both good and unacceptable. Do you want to eat barbecue - please. But before that it's boring to drink a glass of slop. Do not like? Well, you yourself voted for these rules with a list.

      Will you put 400 ticks?
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 08: 35
        This is not significant in comparison with the time it takes to fully familiarize yourself with four hundred amendments. You will not vote without having studied what exactly you vote for?
        1. -4
          11 June 2020 09: 28
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          This is not significant in comparison with the time it takes to fully familiarize yourself with four hundred amendments. You will not vote without having studied what exactly you vote for?

          I studied them and they suit me. The same thing would not hurt you. Two months of self-isolation, and you threw this time into the pipe.
          1. +3
            11 June 2020 12: 36
            Yes, do not care if you agree or not. The answer was given to you on a comment about 400 checkmarks (That it is much easier to put them down than to study the meaning of each item), and not about the semantic load of this profanity.
            1. +1
              11 June 2020 12: 41
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              Yes, do not care if you agree or not. The answer was given to you on a comment about 400 checkmarks (That it is much easier to put them down than to study the meaning of each item), and not about the semantic load of this profanity.

              Are you the senior on the porch? And now you are responsible for all? Did not know.
      2. AUL
        +3
        11 June 2020 14: 22
        Quote: letinant
        Will you put 400 ticks?

        Why not? Are you in a hurry somewhere?
        1. -2
          11 June 2020 14: 44
          Why not? Are you in a hurry somewhere?
          Yes, I know you! You are one of the first to say, "Damn, they think up, I'll suffer later." You are lazy, just read these amendments.
          1. AUL
            +4
            11 June 2020 16: 27
            Quote: letinant
            Yes, I know you!

            And how do you know all about me? Yes, and in advance, what will I say in the future!
            The conclusions made without the information necessary for that are a phenomenon from the same plane as laughter for no reason!
            1. -1
              11 June 2020 16: 42
              And how do you know all about me? Yes, and in advance, what will I say in the future!
              The conclusions made without the information necessary for that are a phenomenon from the same plane as laughter for no reason!
              So hit the bullseye.
              1. AUL
                +5
                11 June 2020 16: 47
                Quote: letinant
                So hit the bullseye.

                Could you justify this statement? Or just blurted out?
                1. +4
                  11 June 2020 18: 55
                  Dear AUL! Do not pay attention to this troll ... above, in our discussion, he also could not bring anything apart from rolling down on his personality and expressing his conclusions about a stranger to him .. nor his judgments, nothing .. only - “I am satisfied with everything at once, approving ! " and “more amendments to God’s amendments” ...
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2020 01: 37
                    Quote: parma
                    Dear AUL! Do not pay attention to this troll ... above, in our discussion, he also could not bring anything apart from rolling down on his personality and expressing his conclusions about a stranger to him .. nor his judgments, nothing .. only - “I am satisfied with everything at once, approving ! " and “more amendments to God’s amendments” ...

                    parma
                    Well, you better know. Although you began to carry all nonsense first. Simple question, have you read the amendments?
    2. +7
      11 June 2020 10: 22
      and unacceptable
      If there is something unacceptable, then it’s more logical to say NO at a polling station rather than shy away from voting.
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 22: 30
        Quote: NordUral
        it’s more logical to say NO at the polling station

        It’s more logical not to play their games with cheaters.
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 22: 38
          Their games are not worth it. It is necessary to ours. And our game is to raise the awareness of the whole people to an understanding of how the game of passive non-resistance will end. The first option, absolutely legal, is participation in reprimands of all levels.
          1. +1
            11 June 2020 22: 52
            All elections are under the strict control of the CEC. You are preparing for the past war. The amendments have already been adopted. There was the last chord in the form of giving legitimacy to this action.
            Now, if the vote was initiated by the popular will, then it would be a completely different matter - then the flags in hand and go!
            1. 0
              11 June 2020 23: 14
              The main thing now is to return to the people the realization that he is the master of the country. And elections are one of the tools for this. With all running problems with these.
              1. 0
                11 June 2020 23: 39
                Quote: NordUral
                The main thing now is to return to the people the realization that he is the master of the country.

                It later. First, you need to show your unwillingness to run for dubious "voting".
                1. 0
                  12 June 2020 09: 17
                  And this is reluctance on the drum and even on hand, Sergey. The road will be overpowered by a walker.
  26. -2
    11 June 2020 08: 19
    All-Russian Congress of Republican, Regional and Regional Soviets

    You have to work hard for secular authorities,
    To become the Soviet Constitution.
    Who would have thought how not to blunder,
    So that your fate is not decided by the urn!

    Felix Chuykov

    07 March 2020 year
  27. +2
    11 June 2020 08: 33
    As for me, this is a classic plug: it’s useless to vote against the above-mentioned reasons, and not to come — it’s going to go to the deaf opposition, the final development of which is revolution. And I don’t want a resolution either.
  28. +2
    11 June 2020 08: 43
    The bulletin should not be spoiled. It is worth going and voting if you are against, and even if for too. Whether or not everyone wants to go, is not worth ignoring the election. This is not an option. I also don’t like borsch with compote in one pan, but this does not mean that I will not go. Low turnout will play into the hands of supporters of the amendments, taking into account the administrative resource, this will make their victory obvious.
    Therefore, I think calls to ignore the elections are mimicking calls that play on the side of the authorities.
    1. +4
      11 June 2020 09: 09
      I also don’t like borsch with compote in one pan, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t go

      Yes, if someone later says to the cook that she is washing slop, not cooking, she will always be able to answer, "What are you talking about! Look how many people are going to my dinners!"
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 09: 15
        Struck by your sense of humor and depth of imaginative thinking. Sublimate, don't stop.
  29. +1
    11 June 2020 08: 49
    Well, do you seem to have arrived ?! Judging by the cries of the "liberal community" everything is like in a movie: "... don't go here, don't go there, a brick will hit your head ..." and further down the text! Truth is as old as the WORLD - look for whom all this fuss is beneficial! In short, we go and vote as we want, and not as we are imposed by all sorts of actors and buffoons ...
    1. +6
      11 June 2020 10: 19
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      In short, we go and vote as we want, and not as all sorts of hypocrites and buffoons impose on us ...

      You turn on the talyavisor, there is a continuous advertisement for voting "For". That is, not advertising, but information.
  30. ABC
    -6
    11 June 2020 08: 56
    On one heading only I immediately guessed about the authorship of this nonsense. The shout of all-shouting cannot be confused with anything.
    1. +5
      11 June 2020 10: 47
      And what will you vote for and the old women will stop looking for food in garbage cans? Or is it all-scum?
      1. ABC
        -5
        11 June 2020 11: 16
        How long have you seen such old women the last time? I have long been in the 90s, with democracy. Get out from under the sofa, life is changing.
  31. -3
    11 June 2020 09: 04
    Funny. Continue to sing along with "Misha". "Misha" said in verse "poo bad" you have to listen to him. The West said "break up the USSR" they obeyed. Today the West is voting "Putin is evil."
    Maybe just once to spite the West? Try to think with your head, not your heart (For young people, decryption, a hint of "Vote, otherwise you will lose."))))
    1. +8
      11 June 2020 10: 24
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Funny. Continue to sing along with "Misha". "Misha" said in verse "poo bad" you have to listen to him. The West said "break up the USSR" they obeyed. Today the West is voting "Putin is evil."
      Maybe just once to spite the West? Try to think with your head, not your heart (For young people, decryption, a hint of "Vote, otherwise you will lose."))))

      It’s not good to do that. Call to vote with your head, but at the same time press on the heart with this
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Maybe at least once in spite of the West?

      Spite is an emotional argument, not a reasonable one. Therefore - you are manipulating.

      And, since it came to a vote of reason.
      Articles of the Constitution can be circumvented. It is a fact. Federal laws and codes of laws, too. All this is performed only where and to whom it is beneficial, the rest is put an M72 bolt with a left-hand thread. Question: why the incompletely executed Constitution when pushing pieces of unexecutable federal laws and codes of laws of the Russian Federation there MANDATORY WILL BE PERFORMED??? Where are the guarantees ??? The guarantor has already guaranteed a lot: there will be no pension reform, there will be no constitutional change ...
      1. -2
        11 June 2020 10: 32
        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
        Where are the warranties?

        But we have guarantees that after Putin comes the one who will fulfill everything said according to our first requirement, and only as we all want.)))
        Where is the logic?
        Here is a specific person * who is not convenient for the West, because he does not give up Russia), there is complete unknown.
        The scoops have a genetic faith in "Bright Tomorrow". Invented in their heads for themselves.))))
        1. +4
          11 June 2020 10: 34
          Oppa, why did you just cling to such a convenient word "guarantee"? What about the rest of the comment? Or there is nothing to object? Am I there, insulted the Guarantor, and therefore it is necessary to protect with all the forces of the free (from lack of money) soul?
          1. -3
            11 June 2020 10: 49
            The basis of your answer is "guarantee" which Putin did not provide you. The world is changing, but he must stubbornly stick to what he promised you in some year 2000.))) He also said about the little green men that he had not seen. Why don't you remember him?
            1. +9
              11 June 2020 11: 18
              Quote: hhhhhhh
              The basis of your answer is "guarantee" which Putin did not provide you. The world is changing, but he must stubbornly stick to what he promised you in some year 2000.))) He also said about the little green men that he had not seen. Why don't you remember him?

              It is clear, it is clear ... Well, they pulled out the word "guarantee" so they pulled it out. Okay. We deal with it.

              In the case of the pension reform: how much has the world changed there (by the way, the last statement about this was in 2015)? Well, yes, I agree, oil prices have fallen, the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation needs denyuzhki, because the costs are large, the devaluation of the ruble by two (!!!) times in 2013. So in 98 there was a DEFAULT IN GENERAL !!! Even after the default, when the excuse for cutting all costs under the guise of "saving the fatherland", there was no such rudeness! And remember how the advertisement of the reform was presented there? Cheerful old men and old women over 80 run, jump, except that they do not conquer Everest. Only a few of them, to put it mildly. People over 70, especially those who have worked all their lives, are either slowly digging in the garden if the fuse has not yet come out, or they are sitting on benches in the yard, because there is not enough strength for anything else. And most of them regularly go to the hospital, because they are healthy as bulls (no) This is if they survived, but did not die after 60 with a tail ...
              By the way, why is this talk, that there are plans to cancel the pension reform, since it was so necessary all of itself? "Shaw, again ???"

              Regarding the Constitution, the question is the same: why now and in such a wild rush? Or does the guarantor feel that there is no support, neither from above, nor from below, nor from abroad? And why, since the Constitution of the GDP did not suit him, did he not start its change in 2014, after the return of Crimea? His rating really skyrocketed, practically. And the amendments would be accepted simply with a bang without any kind of noise. And now, after the recession of joyful moods from the beginning of the gathering of Russian lands, plus the increase in prices for everything (for various reasons), the increase in the quantity and quality of millionaires and billionaires against the background of further impoverishment of the people, pension reform, now trust is at the level of incomprehensible amendments - baseboards. If all these actions are on his instructions, then he is clearly not a friend of his own country. If against his will - then what kind of leader is he who cannot bring order, even in his own environment? The third option: if it is a screen for the ruling oligarchy, then he is GENERALLY not a leader, but a bipod. Is it necessary, such happiness?
              1. -6
                11 June 2020 11: 20
                What is more important than our pension or Crimea?
                1. +5
                  11 June 2020 11: 23
                  Quote: hhhhhhh
                  What is more important than our pension or Crimea?

                  Crimea. If you think cynically and for the future. But do not translate the topic, sanctions - not only because of the Crimea, this is only an excuse. In fact, my comment is something to argue?
                  1. -6
                    11 June 2020 11: 29
                    I answer essentially. We wanted capitalism. so let's havat a full spoon. Capitalism is not only 100 varieties of sausages, but garbage sausages and the lack of money and pensions.
                    Default for him is not rudeness.))) They made him a beggar, but it turns out he was not rude.
                    1. +9
                      11 June 2020 11: 37
                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      We wanted capitalism.

                      You are possible. We, those who were not even planned at the time of the advent of capitalism, did not want it. For example, I was born in the year of the execution of the White House. What, I wanted this, swimming in the womb?
                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      so let's havat a full spoon.

                      We did not want to, and everyone has to harass. Nah, thanks, ate this shit to nausea, no more ...
                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      Capitalism is not only 100 varieties of sausages, but garbage sausages and the lack of money and pensions.

                      Then why the hell is he needed (specifically for those who, according to Putin's definition, are "middle class" and below)?
                      Quote: hhhhhhh
                      Default for him is not rudeness.))) They made him a beggar, but it turns out he was not rude.

                      I called rudeness pension reform, not default. Default should be called differently, but censorship will not be missed, the Banhammer will fly at once. Yes, not only did they make me a pauper, but tens of millions of Russians (I do not like this word, Russians sound better, but there are enough people in Russia, so I have to use it), with a gain there can be tens of thousands of grabbers and speculators.
                      1. -2
                        11 June 2020 11: 53
                        All your description fits into capitalism. In addition to robbery, capitalism does not provide another option. There is no capitalism without defaults and crises.
                        Thank you, I ate this shit to nausea, no more ...
                        What do you offer in return for capitalism?
                      2. +5
                        11 June 2020 11: 56
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        What do you offer in return for capitalism?

                        Socialism. Only it will be necessary to take into account, along with achievements, the mistakes that have been made a lot.
                      3. -2
                        11 June 2020 12: 01
                        What socialism? Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Cuban, Swedish, Finnish, Soviet? What do you call socialism?
                      4. +5
                        11 June 2020 12: 15
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        What do you call socialism?

                        Socialism (from lat. Socialis “public”) is a series of economic and social systems characterized by state and / or public control over the economy, means of production and distribution of resources, as well as political theories and movements associated with them. There are many varieties of socialism, and there is no single definition that includes all of them.
                        Will arrange an answer?

                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        What socialism?

                        In principle, the Chinese version attracts. In China, they did what they could in the USSR in perestroika. North Korean ... There are a lot of questions to him. The Swedish, in my opinion, is too deep in capitalism.
                        Yes, even the same Cuban socialism - how many years has the country been under sanctions and, in fact, in the blockade of the USA? And still lives. Yes, it’s extremely poor, but medicine, for example, is much better there than in Russia now (!!!).
                      5. -3
                        11 June 2020 12: 27
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        Will arrange an answer?

                        How do you personally understand socialism?
                        In China, there is no socialism even once. There is even paid medicine.)))) Private property. There is one party.
                        What to do with private property in the Russian Federation? Select in favor of the state? Apartments and 6 acres too?
                      6. +3
                        11 June 2020 12: 49
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        How do you personally understand socialism?

                        "From each according to his ability - to each according to his work"
                        Large-scale production, mining companies, etc. - in state property (without any tricks such as a controlling stake), the current small business - do not touch, let it work. But honestly.

                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        What to do with private property in the Russian Federation? Select in favor of the state? Apartments and 6 acres too?

                        Apartments and 6 acres in state ownership with hiring citizens - and that, too, is an option. It was, and come back to this. Social Housing is essentially the same - long-term hiring. Yes, and when you have an anchor in the form of one apartment and zemlyatse - you don’t really move to another city, where there are more possibilities. In this case, such a practice is not bad at all.
                        Privatized enterprises (especially large ones, and MORE THAN OIL AND GAS PRODUCTION) - precisely nationalize, and completely, because that privatization cannot be called robbery.
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        In China, there is no socialism even once. There is even paid medicine.)))) Private property. There is one party.

                        One party and socialism are not mutually exclusive things. Private ownership is not everything, the main enterprises are state-owned. About medicine - I do not know, I read more.
                        Amid all the fuss we have (especially with coronavirus idiocy), China’s actions look very good. Even the fact that a strict quarantine was arranged in Wuhan also compels respect: they are not afraid of choosing hard options. With this, Russia is tense, to say the least. Therefore, they came out of the peak first, and with a noticeable margin.
                      7. -5
                        11 June 2020 12: 57
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        "From each according to his ability - to each according to his work"

                        Under capitalism, isn't it the same?
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        let it work. But honestly.

                        Who will determine honesty?

                        Start reading Makrs, Lenin for a start.
                        Socialism of the USSR is state capitalism with the same problem, finiteness.
                      8. +2
                        11 June 2020 14: 54
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Under capitalism, isn't it the same?

                        No. Under capitalism - to everyone the smallest possible handout.
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Who will determine honesty?

                        This is a very big problem, since there is nobody ...
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Start reading Makrs, Lenin for a start.
                        Socialism of the USSR is state capitalism with the same problem, finiteness.

                        Perhaps better than Stalin.
                      9. -3
                        11 June 2020 15: 58
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        Perhaps better than Stalin.

                        Stalin was not a theorist? He suggested starting a discussion on what to do tomorrow. Nobody starts because they don’t read books what capitalism is and socialism does not really know. Only Putin interferes with everyone, and the rest suits them.)))
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        No. Under capitalism - to everyone the smallest possible handout.
                        under socialism, egalitarianism. The factory director receives only twice as much cleaning lady.
                      10. +3
                        11 June 2020 16: 29
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Stalin was not a theorist?

                        Was.
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Nobody starts because they don’t read books what capitalism is and socialism does not really know.

                        I repent, sinful.
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Only Putin interferes with everyone, and the rest suits them.)))

                        ???? You paint, what else am I dissatisfied with besides Putin? It will be sooo deployed, but later. In short, de foreign policy is generally satisfactory, but domestic policy is not from the word at all. Like the state. system, ideology, economic system, etc.
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        under socialism, egalitarianism. The factory director receives only twice as much cleaning lady.

                        Yes, your knowledge of socialism is much deeper than mine, yeah ... The discussion will be awesome ...
                      11. -1
                        11 June 2020 16: 46
                        I can and you)))) On the Internet, everyone is equal.
                        Stalin was a practitioner and left no theories. Stalin acted within the framework of state capitalism. He won the war and gave him time until the 80s and 90s to figure out "what to do", but 100 varieties of sausages and myths about the market economy won.)))
                        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
                        Yes, your knowledge of socialism is much deeper than mine, yeah ..
                        The books of Lenin and Marx are easy to find on the Internet.)))
                      12. PIT
                        0
                        13 June 2020 12: 48
                        Stalin took ready-made models, and implemented, Stalin was talented .... and yes, here you are right, under Stalin it was state capitalism .... - although the correct name for it was National-capitalism.
                      13. PIT
                        +1
                        13 June 2020 12: 44
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        under socialism, egalitarianism. The factory director receives only twice as much cleaning lady.

                        Normal practice in the top companies in the world, in the same Mercedes, Audi and other large companies, well, not twice, but there is a salary ceiling, and a progressive scale of payroll tax. I will not give you an example, I worked specifically for 10 years as an engineer at a Mercedes factory, with a large salary, and so from my salary after taxes there were only about 2 times more cleaners ....
                        Nobody shouts about a return to communism, the USSR was also different in different eras.
                        But the foundations laid down in 30 years by Joseph allowed us to survive the collapse, and sit still ....
                        For example, I did not like the works of Lenin at all, but Stalin has a lot of specifics on the economy where you can find in the works.
                        At the moment, for amendments to the constitution with all hands for!
                        full support of the president by my family, all relatives, and all my friends ....
                        let him build up speed and health for another 20 years
                        My wife at the company now has paid medicine, that is, she is treated completely at the expense of the company, and pharmaceuticals. full dentistry is also included in the salary, a 45k cleaner in her company receives. not bad for a private business, and they themselves earn and give others live ....
                      14. 0
                        11 June 2020 17: 13
                        As a theorist, Stalin was much weaker than Marx and Lenin. He was stronger than them in practical matters.
                      15. PIT
                        0
                        13 June 2020 12: 32
                        It’s not good to lie, in China there is both paid and free medicine, but there is a complex one, when the state pays for some of the services and the company you work for. But for some reason we are judged by Hong Kong .... Which has yet to move on to the model of China.
                      16. 0
                        14 June 2020 08: 52
                        From what date did free appear in China?
  32. -6
    11 June 2020 09: 06
    I will vote opposite to the advice of the West and Navalnyat. Will start calling to vote for Pu. will be against Pu. The main thing for me is to "shylov" to our "friends".))))
    1. +6
      11 June 2020 10: 05
      Yes you are a masochist my friend. Shilo exactly insert not "friends", and yourself beloved. "Friends" just like it: they have raw materials and money, masochists have retirement age and extortions. Continue, gentlemen!
      1. -4
        11 June 2020 10: 22
        Do you want to like in Ukraine? Any delights for your money.))))
        First decide what will happen after Pu, and then fire. Pensions at the expense of what to issue? Due to tax cuts, how do Navalny and Platoshkin advise? What will happen the morning after Pu leaves?
        1. +6
          11 June 2020 10: 28
          And what will happen after Pu leaves? I don’t know how you will live. I have bad news for YOU. Man is mortal. And Pu is also concerned. By the way, have you ever heard of such substances as a progressive scale of taxation, industrial policy, protectionism? Or just oil, gas, offshore?
          1. -5
            11 June 2020 10: 36
            I know about mortality. Will it be better for us from a president like Yeltsin, Gorbach or Zelensky?
            "as a progressive scale of taxation" - I will tell you as an accounting specialist, it is much easier for the rich to avoid taxes than the "middle" class and the poor, so they will be taken away.
            It is necessary to change the economic platform. Marx to start reading about the end of capitalism.))))
            1. +5
              11 June 2020 10: 49
              However, in developed countries this works. But I was interested in something else. Change the economic platform and be a loyal supporter of Pu. To be a Marxist and a supporter of the comprador monetarist course. Can you explain this phenomenon to a non-Marxist?
              1. -2
                11 June 2020 10: 56
                If you are a non-Marxist then who? What economic school do you support?
                I am more likely for continuing the political economy of Smith Marx Luxembourg. So far, they have correctly said about the finiteness of capitalism.
                What to do next according to their recipes the USSR did not succeed in and turned into state capitalism in the 20-30s. After the war, Stalin opened the discussion about what next, but did not have time.
                1. +3
                  11 June 2020 12: 27
                  I honestly admit that I am not strong in political economy, but as a pragmatist I admit the need for private ownership of the means of production where it is effective and very appropriate. In any case, unlike the orthodox Marxists, I do not consider it an absolute enemy.
                  1. -1
                    11 June 2020 12: 30
                    What is the need for private property?
                    Quote: romey
                    where it is effective and very appropriate.

                    Under this motto, in the 90s, all plants were distributed to more efficient private owners, and where are those plants? Not only here, but also Eastern Europe.
                    1. 0
                      11 June 2020 17: 52
                      But the fact that the state does not need to control and determine the needs of the population in the production of consumer goods. The style of cowards and socks will also determine.?
                      1. -2
                        11 June 2020 18: 13
                        Quote: romey
                        The style of cowards and socks will also determine.?

                        You ask my wife who cannot find normal socks, standard so that the socks are of the same grade, but worn and washed. That there was one grade, and not hundreds of tastes, but only a waste of resources.
                        What to do with unsold new cars? Bury? How many standards of phone power supply units do you have?))))
                        Quote: romey
                        the state does not need to control and determine the needs of the population in the production of consumer goods

                        So further we will eat sausages not dairy, but palm.))))
                        What to do with private traders who dump waste into rivers? (Hint at Teflon)
                    2. -1
                      11 June 2020 19: 35
                      Compare the assortment of stores with the scoop now. State property is not able to satisfy the needs of the population. The factories that produced uncompetitive goods closed by themselves - nobody needed their products.
                      1. -1
                        11 June 2020 20: 17
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        The factories that produced uncompetitive goods closed by themselves - nobody needed their products.

                        Does Renault also produce non-competitive cars and close plants? Boeing Airbus. Do they close by themselves?
                        You have in your head a soviet idea of ​​economics.)))
                        Why did Soviet higher-quality products not compete?
                      2. 0
                        11 June 2020 21: 02
                        Precisely because they were of less quality compared to Bobiks and Watermelons. Aircraft devouring fuel, like hippo brooms. Hence the shorter range and lower payload, compared with Western counterparts. Cave-level cars, brittle and uncomfortable for the driver, it was not for nothing that truckers at the first opportunity moved to imported tractors, even used ones. Renault or KAMAZ - you don’t even have to think about it. Soviet household appliances and electronics - shame. Okromya defense - here we were at the level. Civilian products from a tractor to an airplane - alas.
                      3. -1
                        11 June 2020 21: 13
                        30 years have passed, and soviet tales are still telling.)))
                        I won't even argue. Holy faith in "holy" private property cannot be defeated. You need to drive 40 years in the desert until you die out.))))
                      4. 0
                        11 June 2020 21: 55
                        These are not tales; I have experience for comparison. An-24 and DHC-8. VAZ -2106 and VW Passat B4. Sharp and Vega. Vyatka-Avtomat washing machine (bgggg) and, a modern washing machine from Siemens. All comparisons, alas, are not in favor of shovels. But state-owned enterprises, alas, galoshes, Putin is right.
                      5. -1
                        11 June 2020 21: 19
                        Where are you going to earn denyushku on foreign nyashki? If all the bad factories need to be shut down. You retire at 90 years old with what kind of cones to pay if no one receives a salary, all the plants abroad.
                      6. 0
                        12 June 2020 20: 31
                        All the bad factories that produce junk have already closed - if you don’t produce competitive products to your production of khan, this is the truth of life. Eternal plants do not happen now they are building new, more compact with a greater share of automation under the current realities, minimum costs, maximum efficiency. Foreign offices begin to massively localize production in Russia for all products - it’s cheaper.
                      7. -1
                        12 June 2020 20: 50
                        For scoops.
                        1. When factories close, the country begins to feed foreigners.
                        2. Overseas plants export all profits from the country. They will not leave technologies, but will take them out. We have almost no technology left.
                        3. Either a cross or panties. Either the destruction of their factories and the construction of foreign ones, or the pensions and development of the country. Lovers of foreign factories do not cry about their pensions.
                      8. +1
                        11 June 2020 21: 32
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Soviet household appliances and electronics - shame.

                        But shame - Japanese mechanics in household appliances.
                      9. -1
                        11 June 2020 22: 09
                        Why did you oversleep the last 30 years?)))
                      10. 0
                        11 June 2020 22: 17
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        Why did you oversleep the last 30 years?

                        That's for me? belay In the late 80s, they gave me a listen to Panasonic for a while. A few days later, his plastic gear fell apart. Recently fitted Technics deck. All four pinch rollers - an oval, as a result - chewing cassettes along the edges with a reciprocating press. I fitted one clip from the Soviet Elegy of the 87th year of release, one pocket began to work normally halfway.
                      11. -1
                        11 June 2020 22: 21
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        In the late 80s, they gave me a listen to Panasonic for a while. A few days later, his plastic gear fell apart

                        You then fell asleep. today woke up to listen to tapes)))
                      12. +1
                        11 June 2020 22: 29
                        Quote: hhhhhhh
                        You then fell asleep. woke up today to listen to tapes)

                        Is that all you could say? Objections where on the quality of Japanese mechanisms in household appliances? Listen to your flash drive, and all things.
                      13. -1
                        12 June 2020 07: 00
                        So where is Japan now? As their USA was driven into the baseboard in the 90s, so they sit there.
                      14. -1
                        12 June 2020 20: 35
                        Judging because you described - you were given to listen to ushatanka. Technics - how old he was when you got him.
                      15. +1
                        12 June 2020 20: 40
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Judging because you described - you were given to listen to ushatanka.

                        He was six months old by force. Novye bought in Birch.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Technics - how old he was when you got him.

                        Technics is 24 years old, the video from Elegy is 33 years old. Elegy two years ago still worked.
                      16. PIT
                        0
                        13 June 2020 12: 54
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Compare the assortment of stores with the scoop now. State property is not able to satisfy the needs of the population. The factories that produced uncompetitive goods closed by themselves - nobody needed their products.

                        So take and compare the assortment of stores, for example, in the USSR of the Stalin era and the USA of the same time ... VERY MUCH You will be surprised ..... before you write something to read books, learn from people, generally develop and do not live in the toilet. ....
                      17. +2
                        13 June 2020 13: 25
                        I did not live under Stalin. But I remember very well the shops and products of the Brezhnev era. And I do not wonder why the people preferred imported goods at that time.
  33. +2
    11 June 2020 09: 15
    Have you noticed how Putin is changing, you will be 10 years younger? They have already prepared a whole lineup of doubles, according to their Putin plan, we will choose at least 2050!
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 10: 23
      Putin is better than Martirosyan.)))
      1. 0
        11 June 2020 12: 31
        Minus the electorate of Martirosyan.))))
    2. +1
      11 June 2020 14: 14
      Do you believe that? Well then all laughing
    3. -1
      13 June 2020 10: 18
      Nagotovo, at least two subjects. By box, one day, a week ago:
  34. +1
    11 June 2020 09: 35
    Muscovites have ceased to be infected with coronavirus, so as not to miss the vote on constitutional amendments.
  35. -4
    11 June 2020 09: 36
    Briefly on the article:

    The first message of the article - do not go to polling stations, there is a kronovirus.

    About batch voting. Otherwise, no matter how. Different groups in power pursue their interests and what we see is the result of their agreement.

    About choice without choice. There is a choice. Leave everything as it is, everything as we did in 1993, the State Department wrote, or try to change at least something. "Echo of Moscow" is voicing good obscenities for leaving the Constitution that their owner wrote:
    https://echo.msk.ru/blog/echomsk/2606224-echo/

    About the legitimacy of power. 76% voted for Putin - is it legitimate enough? Do you think that after what Medvedev did with pension reform and other anti-people laws, the opinion of the people regarding the president has changed? But we will find out after voting on amendments and for some reason I’m sure that the overwhelming majority of the people will vote for Putin.

    All these amendments to the Constitution have already been adopted by the Duma, approved by the Federation Council, and local authorities. In principle, voting on them is not necessary - according to the law they should have already entered into force, but Putin, having signed the law on amendments to the Constitution, decided to give the last word to the people. Democratic? More than, but for some reason the democrats are not satisfied with such a form of the will of the people. Why?

    Where did you get this: "- Ivan Petrovich, do you agree that everything that happens around the Constitution is legal?" Have you already gone to vote on amendments to the Constitution and have you been told that? Do you know another way to find out the opinion of the people? Tell me.

    About not legitimacy to the Duma. I do not like the composition of the Duma, and yet. How many applications have been filed with the courts, what are the results?

    In essence, the amendments, in addition to the cancellation of the presidential term in the article, and there is nothing or something in passing ... I am for the cancellation of the terms for the election of the president! It’s not necessary to limit the right of people to choose with all kinds of zagagul! He will nominate his candidacy or not - this is the grandmother said in two. Won Merkel was elected six times in a row and somehow Germany lives ...

    We are talking about anything, but not as amended ...

    In general, the message of the article:
    "Do not go, children, To Africa for a walk! Sharks in Africa, gorillas in Africa, In Africa big Angry crocodiles Will bite you, beat and hurt you."
  36. +12
    11 June 2020 09: 36
    - You heard? Peskov said that there are no oligarchs in Russia!
    - Well, right, they have long been in London, who in Italy ...
  37. -1
    11 June 2020 09: 41
    And to tell you the truth, the obsessive propaganda got me to vote against go not to go. Yes, yes, I got it on this site. So I will go and vote FOR.
    1. +7
      11 June 2020 10: 21
      Quote: ZAV69
      I got an obsessive propaganda to vote against, do not go.

      Federal channels to help you.
      1. -2
        11 June 2020 20: 43
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Federal channels to help you.

        Do you even watch them yourself? I don’t look.
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 21: 14
          Quote: ZAV69
          Do you even watch them yourself? I don’t look.

          I turn it on sometimes. And this is sometimes enough.
    2. +7
      11 June 2020 10: 31
      Quote: ZAV69
      And to tell you the truth, the obsessive propaganda got me to vote against go not to go. Yes, yes, I got it on this site. So I will go and vote FOR.

      Watch TV for counterbalance. Even for an unfortunate hour and a half a week that I watch a zomboy ("What? Where? When?" - the program is good, one of the last normal, that's why it goes at night, probably), she already got worse than a bitter radish. And, besides, tell me, why do we need obsessive advertising of a really good and necessary thing? How many times have you seen recently ... for example ... ads for Siberian dumplings? This is what we are talking about, either new goods and services (or manufacturers) are advertised, but obtrusive advertising is needed for frankly crappy or inaccessible goods. With advertising of amendments to the Constitution the same thing, one to one.
      1. 0
        11 June 2020 20: 49
        Quote: CT-55_11-9009
        Watch TV for a counterweight. D

        When I come home from work on all channels, there are moronic shows by Malakhov, Gordan and their clones. I can not stand this muck. On the Internet you can see all the news in about 15 minutes, which is interesting to dig deeper. Great news release for at least an hour. I have not reached the point of throwing out the TV, but I do not watch television on it.
    3. -2
      11 June 2020 14: 12
      Quote: ZAV69
      And to tell you the truth, the obsessive propaganda got me to vote against go not to go. Yes, yes, I got it on this site. So I will go and vote FOR.


      And rightly so.
  38. +6
    11 June 2020 09: 45
    Amendments adopted are constantly adjusted. It is not a fact that by the time of voting the whole package will not be radically re-plowed. I do not trust the authorities. Based on the above, the respected author does not need to come to a vote. Actually, I haven’t been going since 1991, after everyone was taken from the USSR.
    1. +7
      11 June 2020 10: 15
      Actually, I haven’t been going since 1991, after everyone was taken from the USSR.
      ... Here, here ... They said that the Indian national hut was for you, not the USSR ... And remember, when the people said they wanted a candidate against everyone that they told him - please ... And then they thoughtfully and intelligibly explained that he I don’t need it ... and accepted ... Also, we wanted to have a lot of parties, such as pluralism of opinions, we agreed, here ... A little later, they explained that the state didn’t have enough money to finance all the parties, they would only receive money those who will pass the 5% barrier ... and form parties, we have democracy .. if there is money ... And the most interesting thing, if the State Duma and the president did not propose amendments, this Constitution would suit everyone, the reform would go from the top, not began to wait for reforms from the bottom .. And the canoe with what started .. DAM resigned, he was offered the post of deputy chairman of the Security Council, but there is no such post, the Constitution does not, it is necessary to amend ... and it started ... smile
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 11: 50
        So I say ... There is nothing to participate in the show ...
    2. -1
      11 June 2020 14: 10
      This is your right, but you must vote ...
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 14: 46
        It is necessary.? .. To whom? You? I don’t ...
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 15: 34
          It is your right...
  39. -7
    11 June 2020 09: 50
    Now we will find out who is against: "protecting the institution of marriage as a union of a man and a woman" .... the number of gay lobbies in the VO .....
    1. +6
      11 June 2020 10: 18
      Voooo .... another victim of half-poker pulled himself up. Yes, seeing rear-wheel drive is attacking the Udenorases so vigorously that they demand to defend their backsight with the help of the constitution. Fists and bits don't help?
    2. AUL
      +3
      11 June 2020 14: 43
      Quote: Oleg1
      Now we will find out who is against: "protecting the institution of marriage as a union of a man and a woman" .... to

      Do you only know this amendment? And there are a couple more in the package! tongue
    3. +1
      11 June 2020 20: 50
      In VO, no one sees any amendment other than zeroing.
    4. DVR
      -3
      12 June 2020 08: 08
      Eleven "prative love " against
  40. +11
    11 June 2020 09: 52
    Quote: Herman 4223
    You will be surprised, but there it is, civil servants are prohibited from shield in foreign banks, and dual citizenship.

    Do you know that deputies of the State Duma voted against the amendment to have real estate abroad? For some reason, this fact is hushed up in advertising. There are no accounts, but villas, yachts, castles, it turns out to be mona !!! This fact alone resets all their amendments !!!
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 14: 09
      There is one incident, I mean their trick, it is not possible to have real estate without an account with a local bank. Yes
    2. -2
      11 June 2020 20: 58
      Quote: vit670
      For some reason, this fact is hushed up in advertising. There are no accounts, but villas, yachts, castles, it turns out to be mona !!!
      And what, it was still necessary to resolve accounts?
      Villas, yachts and castles do not generate income, and property taxes are regularly removed from your pocket.
      Of course, I would like that there would be an amendment that prohibits having immovability, as the saying goes with a black sheep ...
  41. -6
    11 June 2020 09: 57
    Quote: Oleg1
    Now we will find out who is against: "protecting the institution of marriage as a union of a man and a woman" .... the number of gay lobbies in the VO .....

    put one minus sign, one drew ....
    1. -2
      11 June 2020 14: 06
      And there are secret ones that just grit their teeth.
  42. +2
    11 June 2020 10: 07
    Guessed the author from two lines. So what exactly do you propose to do? Boycott? So "heart" friend Navalny has already performed such tricks. As a result, the United Russia Party entered the State Duma grandiosely, where all the oppositionists became fucking small. The regime's shakers often forget about such an election verification tool as Exitpol. This is when people are interviewed leaving the site. And they forget because the exit poll data do not play into the hands of the vacillators and there is no need to talk about any massive stuffing, manipulations. In this case, again in my opinion, the call for a boycott is made only with the sole purpose of getting additional "against" votes. I explain that the turnout will be 60%, opponents say 40% support us. This is a class 4 production. Now, if you come and vote against (Vet you are against), you will see your real percentage. "CEC will adjust" for this there is an exit floor, poll at the exit. The novel would be better if you continued rewriting articles about airplanes. I still miss VO, where there were interesting battles about ekranoplanes and battleships.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 14: 05
      Yes, politicization rolls over, at such a time we live.
  43. +1
    11 June 2020 10: 14
    No, we make a choice when we say no or yes! My choice - no and I will show it on this referendum simulator when all amendments have already been adopted and entered into force.
    1. -9
      11 June 2020 10: 23
      Quote: NordUral
      when all amendments have already been adopted and entered into force.

      No. They have not yet entered into force. We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):

      "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, the amendments provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will come into force."

      The last word is ours.
      After reading the Law, will you change your point of view?
      1. +6
        11 June 2020 11: 25
        The last word is ours.
        .... In 1993 ... the last word, was your identity too? smile
        1. -2
          11 June 2020 12: 04
          Quote: parusnik
          ... In 1993 ... the last word, was your identity too?

          Then, unlike today, no one asked us. The word was behind them, both the first and the last:



          1. +1
            11 June 2020 17: 22
            The text of the Constitution was written mainly by Mishin and Alekseev, with the participation of Krasnov, Shakhrai and several other people. Mishin was a supporter of a pure presidential republic of the American sample, and Alekseev was a semi-presidential French model. In fact, we have a hybrid with elements of the French and American systems, with our specific features. The President has more power than both the American and French presidents.
      2. +3
        11 June 2020 17: 50
        Boris! Neither amendment suits me, nor this constitution itself. Neither masking, nor basic - nullifying. I am satisfied with the Stalinist constitution.
        And yet - I do not change my point of view. As I was for socialism, so I will, but without the bastard that bred in the 70-80s and beyond.
        I have never voted for capitalism. Especially for such that we have in the yard. We were promised renewed socialism, where some can work for the state, and those who want to organize their own business. But they cheated.
        1. -1
          12 June 2020 08: 09
          Quote: NordUral
          I am satisfied with the Stalinist constitution.

          I am for the Stalin Constitution. But what the president offers is first step to independence and until we gain it, we should not expect any changes towards Stalinist socialism. You advocating for Stalin, in fact, do not do anything to come close to him.
        2. DVR
          -1
          12 June 2020 08: 14
          As I was for socialism, so I will, but without the bastard that bred in the 70-80s and beyond.

          And where do you get the bastard, how to get rid of it? How to cancel, by what law or method? She will come out again, the bastard, will lead you. The reasoning of the child, you are stuck.
          1. +1
            12 June 2020 09: 13
            Stuck? No, those who believe that these will lead Russia to at least a relatively normal life are stuck, where the balance of good and evil will be positive.
            And how to do it - go to the polls. It is possible to defeat candidates from the people, but for this you need not to sit around.
            Further, the winners will find a way to get rid of the bastards. As a reasonable option - let them knock over with stolen abroad.
  44. -2
    11 June 2020 10: 23
    So Navalny is in agreement with Skomorokhov that it is necessary to oppose amendments to the constitution developed by the Americans. We say Skomorokhov and mean Bulk! Navalny and Skomorokhov are inseparable!
    We will do our best not to upset the Americans with changes in the constitution they have developed, give the Maidan named after Skomorokhov, Misha E is not to blame, it was Putin who poured vodka into his glass .... in short a storm of emotions and all obscene ...
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 14: 00
      No, it's time for us to jump out from under this yoke.
  45. 0
    11 June 2020 10: 25


    it’s all clear ... only it’s not an election but a popular opinion poll ... I don’t think that in this case it’s the same thing. Interested in opinion. Regardless of the results of the survey, the result is known, but you need to give a signal ... IMHO ...
  46. -4
    11 June 2020 10: 27
    Only a fool believes in fair elections today. Especially with them, after the approval of Bush and Trump. Elections are invented to put the blame on you. There were times when those appointed without elections were responsible for the task entrusted to them, they simply had no time to steal.
    Elections are rubbish from the start. In the homeland of the elections, only men voted with money, while everyone saw the others vote.
    1. +4
      11 June 2020 10: 43
      What does "they" have to do with it? The conversation is "about us". Well, if about "them", then Trump did not suit? The first president in the last ten years, who is closely involved in domestic politics. He was focused on the middle class, which allowed him to defeat the Clintonichi with a modest electoral campaign budget. For me, this is a completely normal person
      1. -3
        11 June 2020 10: 51
        Trump received fewer American votes, as did Bush Jr.
        The fact that Clinton would arrange a war for us is clear, I'm talking about the election system. Election of nonsense for plebs.))
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 10: 57
          States is a federal country. And the elections there are not so much the will of the individual citizens of the Union as the will of the citizens of each state. Everything is logical. And there are elections, unlike us, not a fiction. There, much less attention is paid to federal bodies than to local ones. For an ordinary American, legislative or executive elections in a county or state are far more important than congressional elections. And American voters and taxpayers can easily ask at the end of the terms of office of elected representatives, a report on their activities. Such is the psychology of Americans, who tend to spit on everything that does not directly concern them.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 11: 00
            My eyes opened)))) I was in the dark. From your words, the elections have not become more honest))))
            1. +2
              11 June 2020 11: 14
              If you like it, do not believe it. The master's business. However, American troubles are the business of the Americans themselves. I'm more concerned about things that are much closer.
              1. -3
                11 June 2020 11: 19
                Your pension is more important than Crimea. Clear position.))))
                I know the structure of the American elections and the discontent of the Americans is also known. Just nothing will change if they vote like us, just a propaganda scheme. Moreover, now there are no restrictions on spending on elections in the United States.
          2. -1
            11 June 2020 17: 31
            That was earlier. As in other Western countries, elections to the central authorities now and in the USA attract more attention of voters.
        2. +1
          11 June 2020 11: 09
          Well, you are wrong. They have their own rules for holding elections. "More, less" is the vote of the electors. And you are trying with your charter to a foreign monastery.
          1. -1
            11 June 2020 11: 16
            Answer, are elections in the US more democratic than in the Russian Federation?
  47. BAI
    +7
    11 June 2020 10: 28
    The authorities need a turnout. Voting does not make sense at all (for, against, spoiled ballot). Pamfilova has already said that all the changes have been made, the documents have been prepared, and the vote has no legal force. We need a nationwide "Odobryams". "United Russia" already has a constitutional majority in the Duma. Everything could be done there. But United Russia is so discredited in the eyes of society that its decision will automatically be perceived as anti-popular.
  48. +2
    11 June 2020 10: 44
    All this bunch of "corrections" were made just for to drag one - the only!
    And which one - exactly someone knows who was followed in the footsteps of Squirrel and Arrow ... laughing lol wassat
    Is not it, Vladimir Vladimirovich? negative

    Personally, I will go and vote "AGAINST" so that this "amendment" does not accidentally slip through! Suddenly it is my vote that will be decisive ...
    I don't want another possible extension of the retirement period, with approval. "you know who", because I will definitely not live up to 80 in the future.
    1. -5
      11 June 2020 11: 01
      Quote: Brigadier
      for I’m definitely not going to live up to 80 in the future.

      Can't drink and smoke?)))
    2. -5
      11 June 2020 11: 09
      Quote: Brigadier
      Personally, I will go and vote "AGAINST" so that this "amendment" does not accidentally slip through!

      And from whom did this correction fly? From the Communist Party? In my opinion it's time for you to change the profile picture.

      But otherwise - no. After all, it is precisely with their submission that the democratic democrats are trying to prevent estates from being included in the colonial, state-owned "our" Constitution. This is the true face of the Communist Party - a two-pass game. There was no reason, so it was necessary to come up with it and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation would come up with ...
      1. +3
        11 June 2020 13: 56
        Let him vote as he wants, but the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has long been, and may have initially become, been a kept woman.
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 19: 26
          I have nothing against the Communists, but they say about Zyuganov that in 1991, together with Poloskov, he forbade the Communists of the RSFSR to come out in support of the State Emergency Committee, the army was left without the support of the people, judging by how this clown surrendered in the 1996 elections, this is true.
          1. +1
            11 June 2020 20: 30
            If Zyuganov is their leader, then who are they?
            1. -2
              11 June 2020 21: 14
              Yes, for the most part, I think normal guys who really believe in their ideals and therefore they are controlled by such personalities as Zyuganov. And then what good agreement among themselves and the USSR will begin to restore. The CPSU completely decayed in the 80s, but after the collapse of the USSR there were many real communists and the people supported them against the background of the mess that was going on, but the fact that it was impossible to win must be led. Therefore, Zyuganov, like ebn, is simply a clown. And it acts in the interests of the United States like the last.
              1. +1
                12 June 2020 12: 38
                Why do they choose him and why "normal" guys allow themselves to be manipulated?
                1. -2
                  12 June 2020 12: 53
                  This is a question of how this party is organized and how they choose their leader. Whoever got into this is apparently not participating.
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2020 13: 38
                    An endless series ... and why did they arrange their party like that, who and what prevents them from changing if they are ideological and normal?
                    1. -2
                      12 June 2020 15: 59
                      As I think, they are working on the control device from above. They simply don’t trust the ideological ones, they need to go to rallies and pay party dues. Apparently you have a different opinion on this matter?
                      1. 0
                        12 June 2020 16: 13
                        Something you do not have docking, they are not sheep and cash cows, what then is their ideology?
                      2. -2
                        12 June 2020 16: 47
                        I don’t know at the expense of not docking for me so everything fits together.
                        Well, if you have a different opinion, share it.
                      3. 0
                        12 June 2020 17: 13
                        There is a Charter of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and everything is written there, it must be executed, and if it is not executed, then why do party members agree with this, then they are just opportunists ...
  49. -4
    11 June 2020 10: 45
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Snark1876
    It is necessary to boycott. For them, the main thing is for us to come. We need a picture for the whole world. And they will draw numbers for.
    Here it is appropriate to quote Murida recent.
    There is a principle - if there is no rational choice - act in accordance with ethical. In my opinion, it is quite obvious here. If you see a swindler in the market, then you understand that he cannot sit like this without a police or bandit "cover", and therefore it is pointless to call the police - this either will not affect the activities of the swindler and he will sit in his place, or at best he will change his location. Therefore, there is no rational choice, and the ethical one is just to pass by. A crook needs a crowd to get the attention of the stupid, greedy and greedy. The larger the crowd, the higher the likelihood that there will be "clients". Therefore, the ethical choice is not to create a crowd in front of the criminal, not to create a stir, not to attract the attention he needs so much.
    With Putin's vote, the picture is exactly the same. It will not be possible to change what is happening legally - it is naive to believe that this is so. But coming to the vote is giving it legitimacy. You came - it means that you already agree with the procedure against which you are trying to protest. Playing by the rules of a scammer, you lose anyway. Having sat down to play with a sharpie, you lose not when he takes your money, but when you sit down to play. https://el-murid.livejournal.com/4484226.html

    Quote Murida - not respect yourself
    1. +3
      11 June 2020 13: 41
      But their sausages are not childish, they do not allow the country to collapse.
  50. -6
    11 June 2020 10: 48
    Quote: Brigadier
    All this bunch of "corrections" were made just for to drag one - the only!
    And which one - exactly someone knows who was followed in the footsteps of Squirrel and Arrow ... laughing lol wassat
    Is not it, Vladimir Vladimirovich? negative


    And if Putin decides to get elected and the people come and vote and elect the President, but they don’t give a damn about the opinion of the people ?! Very democratic, very. Real HAPPINESS and caring for him ....
    1. +3
      11 June 2020 13: 40
      And they do not care, they are not going to live here, they need to ruin the country ...
  51. 0
    11 June 2020 11: 06
    I support the author!
  52. +3
    11 June 2020 11: 16
    My wife and I kept telling our child that he definitely needed to go vote, express his opinion, etc.
    But now it's just a circus. Pamfilova has already explained everything, the decision has already been legitimized.
    And to stroke the president's vanity... Excuse me.
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 13: 38
      Why are you going to dissuade the child now? There is no need to despair so much, you need to vote as you see fit.
      1. +2
        11 June 2020 17: 44
        So I think that I should go vote need not!
        1. 0
          11 June 2020 17: 47
          No one will force you, your right.
  53. 0
    11 June 2020 11: 17
    “People go and still (I don’t know why) vote for the same Zhirinovsky. It is clear that he will never win. But by coming to vote at the polling station, people confirm the legitimacy of Putin’s election. Even by voting against.”

    How enchanting this is...
    The author wanted to confuse everyone, but he himself was completely confused.
    I will continue the author’s thought. Bulk piles won't work either. Not only Zhirinovsky. There is no need to be shy!))) Otherwise, there would be no point in filling up the tanks about turning illegitimacy into legitimacy. Apparently this is his sadness.
    When consciousness is upside down, it is better not to mess with logic. Liberastia is a disease.
    I wonder what the author would have sung in other situations? ;)
    1. +1
      11 June 2020 13: 37
      Quote: Tagan
      Liberastia is a disease.
      I wonder what the author would have sung in other situations? ;)


      And it can be treated with life experience, but for some, life is not enough, and they remain infantile.
  54. -4
    11 June 2020 11: 42
    Quote: Oleg1
    Now we will find out who is against: "protecting the institution of marriage as a union of a man and a woman" .... the number of gay lobbies in the VO .....

    I hasten to please the readers, there are already four of these...gay lobbyists in VO...where we are heading....
    1. +5
      11 June 2020 12: 18
      I hasten to please the readers, there are already four of these...gay lobbyists in VO...where we are heading....
      Are you upset that there are so few adherents of bourgeois values? wassat Do not wait! stop And at least show these four, otherwise you yourself stuck your coveted label on them. laughing
  55. +1
    11 June 2020 11: 43
    They didn’t give me a choice regarding my pension. And here is the question of changing the Constitution, which is changed methodically for each bronzed leader... There is no point in condemning those who do not follow the general ranks, well, they gave us a day off and thank you for that!
    1. +1
      11 June 2020 13: 32
      Maybe there is something there for the bronzed, but basically everything is correct.
  56. +5
    11 June 2020 11: 46
    “In bourgeois countries, it is important not how they vote, but how they count” J.V. Stalin.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 13: 30
      This is true in any country; correct and honest calculation is important.
  57. +7
    11 June 2020 11: 47
    You know, there is one leader... let's call him... a certain one, let's say.... V.Zh.
    So he has an amazing quality - the truth comes out of him, sometimes not even with polite words and concepts, but as unsightly as it really is.
    Well, he somehow put everything on the shelves, so much so that no one bothered to refute it - it’s stupid because...
    So let’s see what he said: “Voting is not necessary, so those who are supposed to have decided everything without ... within the limits of their competence, of course - for it, no, no! This is what any Constitutional Court will confirm for you!”
    Especially during the period of “being on a plateau”, where we have been stuck for the fourth week.
    I translate what he said into even more primitive theses:
    1. We are offered participation in a farce with some kind of double or triple bottom, the meaning of which eludes even the faces of those who stirred it up.
    2. The farce is unsafe for health, no matter what the head of the Central Election Commission says about this (he is never a doctor, much less an infectious disease specialist).
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 13: 29
      Honestly, I still didn’t understand what you wanted to say.
    2. -2
      11 June 2020 18: 40
      Someone said crap, no one responded to it.
  58. +3
    11 June 2020 11: 56
    ,,, ballots, did not arrive request A voting button has already appeared on State Services. Was it just that they forced everyone to register? So the voting will take place as it should, for whom it is necessary bully
    1. +3
      11 June 2020 13: 27
      Don’t be lazy and vote as you see fit...
  59. +2
    11 June 2020 12: 28
    “If anything depended on elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them.” Mark Twain.
    I would like to add that the most plausible and closest to the real picture of the will of the people, elections were held in ancient Rome by tribes - people knew who they trusted to collect votes personally and expressed their opinions. Therefore, as an option, you can create communities like a city courtyard, a street committee in the private sector , where, if you wish, you can know and be acquainted with the person responsible for collecting votes. The ballot of such a “tribe” can be posted online using a QR code, where everyone can verify that it is unchanged when submitted for counting. Also, any opposition or initiative citizen, group - can use the code to calculate the voting results in the program for all ballots that are UNCONTESTED by citizens. But this is just my modest proposal, a utopian one of course.
    1. +4
      11 June 2020 13: 26
      You need to go and vote, not sit and criticize.
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 13: 27
        I subscribe to your every word
        1. +3
          11 June 2020 14: 17
          Now the negative people will come, they don’t like that we have a different point of view.
  60. +1
    11 June 2020 12: 32
    Quote: Ros 56
    But do not remember how many died in a year in the 90s?

    In the “holy nineties”, more than 40-45 million people died in the Second World War, and the birth rate fell below 1943.
    1. +1
      11 June 2020 13: 25
      There was nothing good in the 90s, but you can count it in different ways. The only thing is we were young.
      1. -2
        11 June 2020 15: 05
        What was bad about it? Radically different from current times for the worse?
        1. +1
          11 June 2020 15: 40
          The country was robbed, there was external control, hyperinflation, defaults, gang warfare and other liberal delights.
        2. 0
          11 June 2020 17: 36
          It was worse for me personally and most of my relatives. And a constant feeling of shame for Yeltsin’s statements and behavior.
  61. -6
    11 June 2020 12: 38
    What infuriates every true patriot of AMERICA the most:
    “Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not subject to execution in the Russian Federation.”;

    How can one not comply with the decisions of Western courts and Great America? What do these Russians allow themselves to do!
    Navalny himself banned voting for the supremacy of RUSSIAN laws.
    PS, we will come anyway and the majority will vote FOR, so American patriots can start sputtering in advance....
    1. +2
      11 June 2020 13: 23
      Yes, and no matter how much someone wants us to be majority FOR, you can continue to minus us.
      1. +1
        11 June 2020 15: 04
        Live and be happy, dance waltzes....
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 15: 35
          What I wish you ...
    2. +1
      11 June 2020 21: 43
      Quote: Oleg1
      What infuriates every true patriot of AMERICA the most:
      “Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not subject to execution in the Russian Federation.”;

      You're definitely not smart. Who signed these agreements, and why can’t we get out of them? Will your family fall apart if the family amendment is not adopted?
  62. +3
    11 June 2020 12: 47
    As I understand it, the author incites people to ignore elections as such. And as if he blames us for the normal desire of a citizen to participate in shaping his destiny through elections - opening up America, they say we make two choices - first we go to the polls, then we vote. So many people don’t do this either - they are too lazy to go to the polls and vote, but then they write on the Internet that the country is going down. I believe that the “dubious” counting of real ballots leaves more traces than dead souls who did not come to the polls.
    1. +2
      11 June 2020 13: 22
      Quote: lubesky
      I believe that the “dubious” counting of real ballots leaves more traces than dead souls who did not come to the polls.


      Absolutely right.
  63. -3
    11 June 2020 12: 55
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Tank jacket
    40-45 million people died in the 90s ...

    JUMP ????? belay Why not 245 ???
    According to the latest census, about 146 million people lived in the RSFSR!
    Then take Rossstat and count. Under half-way, an unnatural population decline + emigration in some years exceeded losses under its boss and was compensated since 2010 due to frantic migration.

    There should have been 190 million people. The unborn did not give birth. The fertility index was below 1943, the lowest index year.
  64. +1
    11 June 2020 13: 00
    Quote: Dalny V
    And here the most important question arises: what to do if borscht and compote are normal, but goulash and vinaigrette are just okay?

    You can of course change, however: what
  65. -1
    11 June 2020 13: 02
    That is, according to the author, if 15% come...then the authorities will be upset and become good? And if by going to the polls you agree with the actions of the current government, then by paying taxes, working in the public sector, do you also agree with the actions of the current government? Is that logical?
    1. +3
      11 June 2020 13: 20
      It seems the author wants revolution and riots in our state.
  66. +2
    11 June 2020 13: 18
    Today, the open aggressive campaign from our Central Election Commission continued, in which everyone is urged not just to come to the polling stations, but to vote. Naturally, “for” changes to the Constitution.


    I’ve never heard them calling for a vote for, and the liberals would have already filed a lawsuit for such “work.” Everyone decides for themselves how to vote, I am FOR it.
  67. -5
    11 June 2020 13: 22
    Quote: Pilot
    I hasten to please the readers, there are already four of these...gay lobbyists in VO...where we are heading....
    Are you upset that there are so few adherents of bourgeois values? wassat Do not wait! stop And at least show these four, otherwise you yourself stuck your coveted label on them. laughing

    How can I show them? They are modest, they put a minus sign and remain silent as if they had filled their mouths with water...
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  69. +4
    11 June 2020 13: 42
    But just recently, a certain voter turnout was needed to recognize the voting results. And if it was not provided, then the vote was postponed. And those who initiated this vote FORCED actions were taken to ensure attendance. Quite recently, the candidate “Against All” appeared on the ballot. Until recently, it was possible to openly go out with like-minded people to a rally/demonstration and express your opinion to the authorities without coordinating the possibility and time of that very rally and without the risk of being imprisoned. And quite recently, the decision was made after the vote, and not before it.
    What am I talking about... Apparently he has become quite old. Although it seems not yet.
  70. +3
    11 June 2020 14: 02
    Quote: bubalik
    So the voting will take place as it should, for whom it is necessary bully

    Absolutely spot on. Tell me, what’s stopping you from making voting open? This is in the era of “digital technology”. I was given a fine during the “self-isolation”. Caught on camera somewhere. On the route between the house and the garage (250 meters), where I went at night (22-23 hours) to buy cigarettes (they ran out, and the “volunteers” did not deliver). People voted, so post the results. Together with personalities, so that it was possible to check. No, personal data protection. And how to leak this data to the incomprehensible “intercom operators” is normal. I personally would vote openly.
    Eh-h-h, dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness....
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  72. -3
    11 June 2020 14: 52
    Quote: cniza
    There was nothing good in the 90s, but you can count it in different ways. The only thing is we were young.

    There was nothing good in the 90s... I agree.
  73. +2
    11 June 2020 15: 01
    There's no reason to go. My personal opinion.
  74. -3
    11 June 2020 15: 10
    Oh, those sectarians from the group “Baba Yaga against”.
    I have a 4-year-old grandson like him. You tell him, let’s eat the soup - - no. Let's eat some mashed potatoes - no.
    Whatever you offer is still not there.
    Why the same? Because neither the grandson nor the sectarians can clearly explain why they are actually against it. And in response to the most controversial amendment about zeroing out deadlines, they argue that this is bad because it’s not like that in America. In America, Karl!!! Which shit itself badly, but still, for the sectarians, everything that is done in America is sacred.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 15: 44
      So they are not just against it, but they need to overthrow the government, organize a showdown - read civil war...
    2. 0
      11 June 2020 16: 12
      Over the 20 years in power, after the increase in the cost of oil, life began to seem to get better, but over the years, as we sold off the national property, we continue to sell it off. Where we left (cheap oil) is what we came to. We are completely and completely dependent on the cost of oil.
      __For the period from January to April 2020, the volume of Russian oil exports decreased by 25% in value terms compared to the figure for the first four months of 2019. It amounted to $30,02 billion.
      As stated in the materials of the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of the Russian Federation, physical oil exports during the reporting period decreased by 4%. It amounted to 84,9 million tons.
      Meanwhile, in April, revenues from oil exports decreased by almost 40 percent compared to March - to $4,46 billion. The physical volume of exports remained at the same level.__
      1. -1
        11 June 2020 16: 22
        Well? What happened then? Who has become poor and who has nothing to eat?
        In comparison with 2014 and 2008, and especially with 1998, nothing special.
        The progress is obvious.
    3. 0
      11 June 2020 16: 26
      The portal flot.com provides data on the combat capabilities of the Russian and US Navy. The US is taken as 100%.
      Home / Russia / Structure of the Navy / Combat capabilities /2019
      Russian Navy US Navy PLA Navy (China)
      49% 100% 93%
      ANNUAL VALUES
      Combat capabilities – 2018 / 45%
      Combat capabilities – 2017 / 47%
      Combat capabilities – 2016 / 45%
      Combat capabilities – 2015 / 44%
      Combat capabilities – 2014 / 51%
      Combat capabilities – 2013 / 45%
      Combat capabilities – 2012 / 43%
      Combat capabilities – 2011 / 52%
      Combat capabilities – 2010 / 63%
      Combat capabilities – 2009 / 59%
      Combat capabilities – 2007 / 65%
      1. 0
        11 June 2020 17: 05
        Do these combat capabilities take into account the presence of Zircons on our frigates, from which the entire US fleet has no protection? Do they take into account that the United States now only has 2 AUGs capable of full service? In this situation, we have no need for dozens of cruisers and aircraft carriers. Let them please themselves with greatness and continue to save money.
      2. 0
        11 June 2020 17: 51
        The portal flot.com provides data on the combat capabilities of the Russian and US Navy. The US is taken as 100%.


        What does this have to do with the topic... and according to your data, who compiled it? and you will receive an answer that not everything is so...
        1. -1
          11 June 2020 17: 57
          Quote: cniza
          The portal flot.com provides data on the combat capabilities of the Russian and US Navy. The US is taken as 100%.


          What does this have to do with the topic... and according to your data, who compiled it? and you will receive an answer that not everything is so...

          Yes, they just want to take you away from the topic and whine Victor!
          The closer the voting period and the Victory Parade are, the angrier “some of our comrades” become here... At least don’t write anything at all, even neutral... The jackals are activated more and more powerfully hi
          1. -2
            11 June 2020 18: 01
            Vitaly, let them rage, nothing will happen to them anyway.
  75. 0
    11 June 2020 16: 03
    This reasoning is like a view from the wild west. We have an ancient saying___Silence is a sign of consent. If you haven’t come and haven’t decided anything, then you agree by default.
  76. -1
    11 June 2020 17: 31
    Quote: cniza
    But their sausages are not childish, they do not allow the country to collapse.

    Their hysterics inspire optimism)))
    1. +1
      11 June 2020 17: 52
      This means we are doing everything right. Yes
    2. -3
      11 June 2020 18: 00
      Quote: Tagan
      Quote: cniza
      But their sausages are not childish, they do not allow the country to collapse.

      Their hysterics inspire optimism)))

      I, too, always calm down if they start scolding and hystericalizing Russia.. It means we are going the right way.. The dogs bark, the caravan moves on, albeit slowly, but still..
  77. +1
    11 June 2020 17: 41
    I propose to publish the full text of the amendments on the website so that there is no reason for political speculation.
    1. 0
      11 June 2020 17: 55
      You can do this in your comment...
  78. +1
    11 June 2020 17: 45
    Hello. I have long wanted to tell you from my experience.
    I talked to women who worked in various elections. level in your region. Married, some with children. I trust them completely. So here it is. Every election ended the same way. After the closing of the polling stations, lists of candidates with percentages drawn in advance were taken out of the jacket pockets of cool-headed people, etc., and all calculations were adjusted to these lists. If the percentage did not appear to be what was needed, then new ballots were taken out of the safe (pocket, briefcase) and signatures were drawn as needed. The difference between local municipal elections in the local city. Duma and regional and higher was only that at the local level, future deputies did not hesitate to go to polling stations during the day and ask the commission about the percentage for their loved ones. I personally haven’t voted for 23-25 ​​years. I do not see the point. And every election, someone signs for me. They say, come and vote against it so that your ballot is not falsified. Complete crap. If necessary, then your signature will be for whoever needs it. And you won't know about it. In the comments I saw hints confirming my words. We had everything tightly controlled by a comrade who had recently retired. But what has changed?
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 18: 08
      Quote: Buddy
      Hello. I have long wanted to tell you from my experience.
      I talked to women who worked in various elections. level in your region. Married, some with children. I trust them completely. So here it is. Every election ended the same way. After the closing of the polling stations, lists of candidates with percentages drawn in advance were taken out of the jacket pockets of cool-headed people, etc., and all calculations were adjusted to these lists. If the percentage did not appear to be what was needed, then new ballots were taken out of the safe (pocket, briefcase) and signatures were drawn as needed. The difference between local municipal elections in the local city. Duma and regional and higher was only that at the local level, future deputies did not hesitate to go to polling stations during the day and ask the commission about the percentage for their loved ones. I personally haven’t voted for 23-25 ​​years. I do not see the point. And every election, someone signs for me. They say, come and vote against it so that your ballot is not falsified. Complete crap. If necessary, then your signature will be for whoever needs it. And you won't know about it. In the comments I saw hints confirming my words. We had everything tightly controlled by a comrade who had recently retired. But what has changed?

      Nonsense... in the 90s I had a lot of experience working in election districts, etc. ...If they were forged, it was only in Moscow (according to EBN for sure)! hi
      Putin is supported by the majority of the population and you can’t stop talking here... This is 100%!
      Life is not sugar, but we don’t need a shit-cracy... We’ve seen enough, we’ve suffered enough.
      PS you can kick and even complain, but my opinion is rock solid!
      1. 0
        11 June 2020 21: 53
        Quote: Uralec
        Nonsense... in the 90s I had a lot of experience working in election districts, etc. ...

        Vitalya, 90 years have passed since the 20s.
  79. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 09
    Nothing could be more stupid than the hope of those deceived by cheaters to win back.
  80. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 13
    I'm not talking about the 90s. About the 2000s. Unfortunately, this is not nonsense.
  81. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 14
    And yes. This is not Moscow. This is the Kemerovo region
  82. +2
    11 June 2020 18: 16
    This is the 2000s. Not the 90s.
  83. 0
    11 June 2020 18: 18
    Quote: Sergej1972
    I propose to publish the full text of the amendments on the website so that there is no reason for political speculation.

    If memory serves, someone on Kont posted a summary.
    Even if published, the howl of the fighters against the regime will continue. Understand that they are least interested in justice. All they need is to keep people electrified)))
  84. 0
    11 June 2020 18: 34
    I don't get electrified. I'm just saying it as it is. And I don’t encourage anyone to do anything. I am describing my experience.
  85. -2
    11 June 2020 18: 40
    Quote: Buddy
    Hello. I have long wanted to tell you from my experience.
    I talked to women who worked in various elections. level in your region. Married, some with children. I trust them completely. So here it is. Every election ended the same way. After the closing of the polling stations, lists of candidates with percentages drawn in advance were taken out of the jacket pockets of cool-headed people, etc., and all calculations were adjusted to these lists. If the percentage did not appear to be what was needed, then new ballots were taken out of the safe (pocket, briefcase) and signatures were drawn as needed. The difference between local municipal elections in the local city. Duma and regional and higher was only that at the local level, future deputies did not hesitate to go to polling stations during the day and ask the commission about the percentage for their loved ones. I personally haven’t voted for 23-25 ​​years. I do not see the point. And every election, someone signs for me. They say, come and vote against it so that your ballot is not falsified. Complete crap. If necessary, then your signature will be for whoever needs it. And you won't know about it. In the comments I saw hints confirming my words. We had everything tightly controlled by a comrade who had recently retired. But what has changed?

    But here, my dear fellow, you are lying, with the number of observers from parties and other things, this is impossible; I myself have been an observer many times.
    1. -3
      11 June 2020 18: 52
      Quote: Oleg1
      But here, my dear fellow, you are lying, with the number of observers from parties and other things, this is impossible; I myself have been an observer many times.

      Yes, I remember, they counted directly and checked every signature, and so on all over Russia.. They interfered with my work, but I had to endure.. When EBN won, I was shocked..!!!
      Here they are "relatives" all in the photo...

      Now the composition has changed and has become smaller, more loyal and cunning... but as they say, they are waiting in the wings... The next humpback
    2. +2
      11 June 2020 21: 57
      Quote: Oleg1
      I myself have been an observer many times.

      Not surprised.
  86. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 45
    No matter whether you say FOR or NO, it won’t be better. Why? Because the entire top leadership of the country goes and makes amendments in order to continue to sit at the helm!! It puts itself forward only in order to keep power in its hands, and not to improve the well-being (they have no such thoughts in their heads, everything is only for themselves) for the citizens who live in this country.
    1. -1
      11 June 2020 19: 57
      If everyone there was the way you describe them, Russia would not have gotten out of the 90s and would have repeated the path of Moldova. It was the past leadership of the country, led by a billionaire president, who robbed the whole country of the whole country, guys analogous to the same Ukrainian leadership, complete theft of all funds for everything in the country - then the slow but sure movement of countries towards complete bankruptcy by pumping up loans from the IMF and other countries.
      1. 0
        13 June 2020 08: 27
        This is not about Moldova and Ukraine, but about Russia. Yes, Russia hasn’t gotten anywhere, it’s just that the years are different according to the calendar, that’s all!
    2. -3
      12 June 2020 05: 31
      And who will improve your well-being for you in a capitalist country? And in general, name an ideal country with milk rivers and jelly banks? If you want to live better, gain knowledge in your profession, improve your education, become an ESSENTIAL professional and life will immediately become easier, regardless of the authorities. It’s hard - it’s easier to sit in the kitchen and swear at a government that doesn’t provide a decent freebie. Alas, this is exactly the capitalism that we so dreamed of when we destroyed socialism in 91 and shouted that it was better to live like unemployed people in a free world. Bachili eyes scho kupovali - you're about to choke!
      1. -1
        13 June 2020 08: 35
        You are We. What other rivers and banks? For that matter, Russia is the richest land, it contains the entire periodic table. Now what are we talking about: should we support such a government at the vote? and what will change after the vote? Nothing will change.! Because the moth is sitting at the helm and doesn’t want to go anywhere, and even wants to leave his locusts in the government.
  87. -1
    11 June 2020 18: 45
    Quote: Buddy
    I don't get electrified. I'm just saying it as it is. And I don’t encourage anyone to do anything. I am describing my experience.

    And I didn't accuse you of anything. )))
  88. -3
    11 June 2020 18: 48
    Quote: ximkim
    No matter whether you say FOR or NO, it won’t be better. Why? Because the entire top leadership of the country goes and makes amendments in order to continue to sit at the helm!! It puts itself forward only in order to keep power in its hands, and not to improve the well-being (they have no such thoughts in their heads, everything is only for themselves) for the citizens who live in this country.

    Yeah, yeah, I remember the 90s and even the beginning of 20000, and I believe you....
  89. 0
    11 June 2020 18: 49
    Quote: cniza
    Honestly, I still didn’t understand what you wanted to say.

    Once again, literally: Zhirinovsky (who is not the opposition at all, but an element of the state power system, clearly!) stated that no voting is necessary, because the structures authorized to do so have already done everything for us, and the Constitutional Court (above its authority in this no matter) examined and legalized. Even the brochures with the new text have already been printed.
    So what should we vote on, especially in quarantine, when the incidence rate has essentially not dropped for 4 weeks?
    That everyone who did this was great? Or that they are all wrong and should... what? Dissolve yourself? Confess?
    So we will give them time for this - legal elections will also be just around the corner... Or are they not planned?
    And what, the State Duma, say, for 8 years at once, or for 10 - what’s not a thought? And it will be easier for them to “work”, and we will itch less!
  90. +3
    11 June 2020 18: 55
    May I not be respected by you. But if you were present at the elections at the polling stations, then you saw that the observers were either asleep due to their age (as a rule, people of respectable age), or completely under the influence of the chairman of the precinct Commission. Where there is a principled comrade, the admin immediately turns on. apparatus. Down to the police. This happened to us in Osinniki. Even if information appears, it quickly disappears even from the internet. Before you completely reject the very idea of ​​what I wrote about, talk to the people who work at the sites. not everyone there is a fanatic. There are also normal people.
  91. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 58
    The famous philosopher Plato taught: “It cannot be democracy - the power of the people, the people cannot govern themselves, because they are always great and diverse, but there is demagoguery about democracy, supposedly the power of the people, behind which hides the organizing role of the demagogue and his support group, or the elite. With one caveat: demagogues do not fall from the moon, but come from the people, therefore, in this narrow sense, any democracy and autocracy can be considered the power of the people.” Remember: “Hitler was elected democratically,” so in any case, what needs to happen will happen, I think there’s no point in engaging in demagoguery.
  92. +1
    11 June 2020 18: 59
    For me, let him still rule in the next world. If only it was useful for the people. But when all the eggs are put in one basket (both fresh and rotten). It is not right. This is mean. If you want to do it well, let them vote point by point. If you want a Jewish move with a knight, then work together.
  93. -3
    11 June 2020 19: 02
    Quote: Buddy
    May I not be respected by you. But if you were present at the elections at the polling stations, then you saw that the observers were either asleep due to their age (as a rule, people of respectable age), or completely under the influence of the chairman of the precinct Commission. Where there is a principled comrade, the admin immediately turns on. apparatus. Down to the police. This happened to us in Osinniki. Even if information appears, it quickly disappears even from the internet. Before you completely reject the very idea of ​​what I wrote about, talk to the people who work at the sites. not everyone there is a fanatic. There are also normal people.

    Are they sleeping? Dear, what are you talking about? Observers sit there for money, and if you slept, who will pay you? Oh, these disrespected people, our city voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in 95, and in the next elections for Putin, despite my attitude towards the first and second, BELOW everything was true! So deceive someone else! And yes, by 1.00 all the polling stations counted the results and went home!
    1. +1
      11 June 2020 19: 43
      They don't SIT. They are sitting. I don't know who pays them. Sorry... Naturally they went home at the end. But it is what it is. If you are from Osinniki, what party is your mayor from now? Throwings were carried out in the absence of principled comrades. For example, when they are detained by the police under false pretexts, or simply because they are not going to the toilet. Initially this was written about on the Internet. But then everything disappeared. But people remained. Let the seeker find. Come to the site in the evening and you will see sleeping observers or their absence.
    2. 0
      11 June 2020 22: 02
      Quote: Oleg1
      Observers sit there for money

      Understood. You sat there for money. Do you have enough for hair dye?
  94. 0
    11 June 2020 19: 50
    Oleg1 (Oleg) Today, 18:48
    Do you mind rescheduling our discussion until tomorrow?
    I am sleepy.
    Thank you.
  95. +2
    11 June 2020 20: 29
    Yes, no one is interested in how you vote, for or against, or to undermine them. They need turnout. This is evidenced by how state employees are driven to the polling stations!
  96. 0
    11 June 2020 21: 24
    Some illustration to the topic of the article lol -
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/pomoschnikvremonte/beseda-karaulova-s-efedorovym-uje-posle-aresta-platoshkina-5ee050c2c4b2df058df06469
  97. -2
    11 June 2020 22: 18
    I would like to note the obvious improvement in the quality of the author’s materials. I'm going to take part in the vote and vote yes. The author is (obviously) agitating people not to go. Here our positions differ. But the quality of the material is high. Indeed, what matters is not how they vote, but how many come (this demonstrates the degree of controllability of the object). But, Roman, the people did not understand your lofty reasoning, they decided that “against” was more important than failure to appear. There is some poetry in this. It turns out that you played on the side of those who want the amendments to be adopted. And very good! The amendments will be adopted and will strengthen our statehood.
    1. +2
      12 June 2020 02: 14
      Dear, please, there is no need to declare yourself a people. The people have long understood everything
      1. 0
        12 June 2020 02: 41
        I did not declare myself a people. Read carefully.
        1. +1
          12 June 2020 02: 52
          I re-read it. And I didn’t understand anything. Well, it’s not like the amendments will be accepted. They have already been accepted.
          Is this some kind of sarcasm?
          1. -2
            12 June 2020 03: 04
            I contacted the author of the article. His position on the amendments is clear. And he chose a good (smart) way to promote it. I discovered an important thing: it is important not how they vote, but how many people vote. And the author’s call (here it is not expressed in a specific phrase, but is obvious, perhaps it will be expressed in subsequent publications) is the following: “You shouldn’t go to vote “against”, you should not go to vote.” But the people (not the entire people of Russia, but those who hang around this forum) did not understand such a deep (without any sarcasm) thought and are going to vote “against”. Moreover, the author himself emotionally warmed them up to this with his publications. So maybe we could sit at home. I am happy about this, I am for the adoption of the amendments. Let them go.
          2. +4
            12 June 2020 03: 38
            Quote: Florian Geyer
            They have already been accepted.
            Is this some kind of sarcasm?

            He has no sarcasm.
        2. +1
          12 June 2020 03: 12
          The gun fires blindly,
          Backhand the saber chops
          And the big-winged raven
          Circling above the battle
          And the bullet knows for sure
          Who doesn't she love?
          Who doesn't she love?
          It lies in the damp ground.

          You are my cold trench,
          Ration you are my hungry
          Don't cry, my mother,
          That there have been no letters for a long time.
          It won't be in vain
          Our feat is noble,
          And the golden time
          It will come anyway.

          I don't need mercy
          I don't need a reward
          Give me a rifle
          And give me a horse.
          And if I die,
          Let the red troops
          Let the red troops
          They will pay for me.
    2. 0
      12 June 2020 02: 16
      Let's be honest. The amendments were already adopted legally. Now only the approval of their people is required for beauty
      1. -2
        12 June 2020 02: 45
        For beauty or not, it is still required.
  98. +1
    11 June 2020 22: 54
    Quote: codetalker
    The amendments will be adopted and will strengthen our statehood.

    The statehood and sovereignty of the Soviet Union was much higher, but the lies and throwing of the “elite” destroyed it. But it was obtained with blood, from under the Mongol yoke and the Time of Troubles, Suvorov’s victories and the defeat of candidates for world domination - Napoleon and Hitler...
    But when the elites begin to be clever, cunning, lie and deceive, we get either the 1917th, or the Khrushchev “revision”, or the 91st and 93rd together.
    Today the television announcer informed me with a joyful face!!! from the fact that 30 years ago the birth of the state took place!
    What is that?
    He may not have been born then, but I, like our Guarantor, remember what it really was like.
    If half of your car is torn down at an intersection, is this the birth of a new car?
    The insurance company usually calls this concept the word “total”.
    And the fact that we survived at all is due more to the Strategic Missile Forces and the Nuclear Submarine Forces than to Yeltsin and Sobchak.
    1. +2
      12 June 2020 02: 44
      You understand, the moral state of the managerial elite is also an element of state sovereignty. Therefore, the USSR was COMPLETELY sovereign only under Stalin, and even in those days there were enemies in government administration.
      1. 0
        12 June 2020 02: 53
        The funny thing is that now they are not enemies
  99. -1
    11 June 2020 23: 46
    Yes, it’s still very simple! This referendum is just the beginning. Others will follow him based on his results. But organizing the next referendums is a matter of power in the country. And to guarantee such power, Tereshkova’s amendment is needed
    1. +3
      12 June 2020 02: 12
      It’s even simpler - this is not a referendum
  100. -4
    12 June 2020 00: 22
    So, the bottom line is, if we discard all the verbal clutter, the author and his admirers are making every effort to disrupt the vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Due only to the reset of Putin’s term.
    That is, let everyone demand with renewed vigor that the Kuril Islands, Koliningrad, Crimea, and so on in other small things, be torn away from Russia. If the Skomorokhov opposition wins, the nibbling of territory will not contradict the Constitution. Do you, gentlemen, comrades, citizens, want this?
    In case of defeat in the referendum, Russian laws will again be insignificant and subordinate to “international” laws, most of which were adopted without any participation of Russia and without taking into account its interests. Do you, gentlemen, comrades, citizens, want this?
    In addition, among the amendments there are many “social” ones, which are not and have not been in the constitutions of other countries that claim to be Russia’s teachers. They will also not be accepted.
    Are you against Putin's new term? Who do you want to take his place? Skomorokhova? Sylvester? Vasya Pupkina? Let's turn to history and remember the role of the individual in the historical development of Russia. There is a PERSON at the head of the country - Russia is great, everyone reckons with it even against their will and with gnashing of teeth. Which of the Romanovs was great before Peter the Great? Peter was Great - Russia became great... then faded personalities and fadedness unknown to most in the history of Russia. Catherine turned out to be Great - Russia became great... who will you remember later (the under-Liberator?), well, Alexander the Third, the Peacemaker, a sort of analogue of Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev... Nicholas II came, clearly not a great person and the end of the Empire. There is nothing to say about Mikhail ROMANOV - he, like not a person, Mikhail Gorbachev, simply freed himself from the burden of power with the stroke of a pen. The talkative and white-haired Provisional Government (well, very temporary from February to October) came to power and the collapse of “democratic” Russia began. Now elect modern talkers, doctors of “economics” from Delyagin, Fursev, Khazin to the government... and you will again get temporary ones who cannot do anything other than express wise recommendations. Lenin and Stalin came and again the USSR became a great power to be reckoned with... then the degradation and ridicule of Mikitka, the “golden age” of Brezhnev’s sleepy stagnation, a surge of something positive during Andropov’s time, Chernenko’s emergence from intensive care and Gorbachev came. Not a person, much less a great one, and... The USSR is gone. If the alcoholic non-personality of EBN had held out a little longer, whom the collective Vasya Pupkin elevated from the White House to the Kremlin, and today one could read a couple of lines about Russia in a recent history textbook... Putin came - whom the mass of people around the world consider to be the greatest leader today, and Russia is great again!
    I hope that the majority of citizens of great Russia have enough intelligence, honor and conscience to go and vote “FOR”!
    1. +2
      12 June 2020 02: 10
      Yes, simply because only people with terminal stage phimosis of the brain will vote for it. More precisely, the interauricular ganglion.
      Voting no is not much smarter.
      The correct approach is that you all make love to the lobster. I injected all of them with a shameful oud into all breathing and pushing holes. A woman of bad behavior.
      Let's better read V. Shukshin (about a certain S. Razin)
      And Roman has a question - why not ask the same Shpakovsky to write a series of articles about the Shoe War? By the way, Vershin wrote well at one time
    2. +2
      12 June 2020 06: 05
      Where did you see the greatness of the country today? On the Forbes list? I see degradation in all areas, under the beautiful words about patriotism and bonds, I see how in the first place for those who now rule is profit-making, and not the public good, I see the destruction of nature, barbaric deforestation and the spill of 21000 tons of diesel fuel in the Arctic, with this Potanin walking free, medicine optimized to the point of destruction. This government does not serve the people, but serves itself, its own pocket. So you are either blind or a provocateur with your calls to vote for all this chaos.
    3. 0
      12 June 2020 17: 15
      A lot of words. You respect GDP, I don’t want to see him as president. His personality is so-so, there is no need to even try to compare him with Peter 1 and Stalin... The difference in scale is gigantic. Ready to vote on amendments, BUT Let them not take people for sheep and let them vote point by point for each of the amendments, incl. and to reset presidential terms.