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Prosecutor at the trial on MH17: the investigation revealed a fragmentation form in the form of a “butterfly”

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Reports are coming from the Netherlands on how the trial is going on in a high-profile case involving an attack on a Malaysian Airlines liner in the sky over Donbass. The flight followed flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014 and crashed in the area of ​​the village of Grabovo. Dutch prosecutors are charging three Russians and one Ukrainian citizen.

It is their collective West that considers them to be involved in the attack on the airliner, ignoring any arguments about the need to study materials on the Ukrainian side's involvement in the incident.

It became known about the claims from lawyers. So, the lawyers of the person involved in the MH17 case, Oleg Pulatov Sabine ten Dossheit and Budewein van Eyck, say that they “wanted to go to Russia to talk with the client.

Lawyers:

But traveling to Russia was not possible due to the restrictions imposed on travel in connection with the epidemic. For the same reason, we were not able to hear the report of international experts, in which more than 40 thousand pages.

Meanwhile, materials appeared in the Australian press stating that representatives of the Australian criminal police were engaged in the study of fragments of ammunition found in the bodies of the dead and the wreckage of the aircraft. It is alleged that, having studied the fragments, it was "established that they are part of the Russian-made Buk missile system."

Prosecutor Thiis Berger stated:

Investigators, having examined the damaging fragments, ruled out all other scenarios that could have caused an accident, including an airborne explosion, a fighter attack, and a ground-to-air missile other than the Russian-made Buk missile scenario. In October 2014, the Australian Federal Police went to Ukraine to analyze two dismantled Buk missiles - the older M938 and the newer 9M38M1. The investigation discovered three unique fragmentation forms - “tile”, “lattice” and “butterfly” - in Ukraine.

At the same time, it is not entirely clear whether the investigators found all of these fragmentation forms exclusively at the crash site, or whether they found some of them when exploring missiles in Ukrainian military depots, which were later mysteriously destroyed by fires.
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  1. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 9 June 2020 11: 21 New
    +9
    Dancing on the bones, but all the secret sooner or later becomes apparent.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 9 June 2020 12: 05 New
      -3
      I'm watching a broadcast from the court now. The prosecutor said that Russia had been requested satellite images of Bukov in Zaroschensky (which had been shown at a press conference of the Ministry of Defense at one time) and received a response that these images were not saved.

      But it could be a trump card in the sleeve and a very strong move against the background of the fact that the United States did not seem to agree to give permission to publish its pictures.
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 9 June 2020 12: 28 New
        +1
        But it could be a trump card in the sleeve and a very strong move against the background of the fact that the United States did not seem to agree to give permission to publish its pictures.
        Were they in common? Remember what a fake war was.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 9 June 2020 12: 37 New
          +6
          This is a picture from Lentiev’s program. And there was a press conference, official, of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, there were shown pictures of Bukov in Zaroshchensky.

          Starting from the seventh minute:
      2. Sergey39
        Sergey39 9 June 2020 12: 30 New
        0
        The Americans also did not agree to provide the pictures. Strange coincidence.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 9 June 2020 12: 38 New
          -7
          The Americans did not agree to declassify them. Investigators were given access to them, the Dutch said in court about this.
          1. kpd
            kpd 9 June 2020 12: 52 New
            15
            The defense should be able to independently assess whether the evidence provided is really relevant to the case and whether it is falsified. Otherwise, everything goes under the section "I swear by my mother."
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 9 June 2020 13: 14 New
              -5
              Strictly speaking, "I swear by my mother" in court in legal language is called "sworn testimony", it is accepted as evidence (by Russian courts as well), and in the case of perjury it is a criminal offense. But this is how I completely agree that the pictures themselves, as material evidence, are incomparably more valuable.
              1. Ilya Nikitich
                Ilya Nikitich 10 June 2020 10: 59 New
                0
                Quote: military_cat
                legal language is called "sworn certificate"

                My word is against his word.
          2. Ilya Nikitich
            Ilya Nikitich 10 June 2020 10: 57 New
            +1
            Not to the pictures, but to the report "compiled presumably from these" pictures "" by the Americans.
  2. fn34440
    fn34440 9 June 2020 11: 26 New
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    With their refusal to provide NASA aerial and space satellite imagery data, the losers acknowledged their participation with the SBU in this provocative disaster.
    If, if it had been done by pro-Russian forces, the entire Internet would have been jammed with NASA videos. Since the disaster.
    Stories about some unique technical capabilities that can never be revealed are just chickens to laugh. In situations where it was profitable, the American side always willingly showed satellite images, not caring at all about what characteristics could be disclosed. But in this case, for some reason, you can’t show the pictures in any way.
    1. anjey
      anjey 9 June 2020 11: 41 New
      12
      In general, I am amazed at how much political insolence, cynicism and immorality of the West are enough to fabricate such an obviously-criminal and deceitful shit-court. Let's hope that these pseudo-judges will be punished sometime.
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 9 June 2020 12: 30 New
        +3
        In general, I am amazed at how much political arrogance, cynicism and immorality of the West are enough to fabricate such an obviously-criminal and deceitful shit-den.
        You will be even more amazed when this rubbish ride.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 9 June 2020 13: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Threaded Screw
          get even more surprised when this rubbish ride.

          It will be so, it is not for nothing that the Western public was brainwashed for almost 6 years - no one really really remembers what happened and under what circumstances. Now they can “feed” anything, which is done
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 June 2020 12: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: anjey
        In general, I am amazed at how much political insolence, cynicism and immorality of the West are enough to fabricate such an obviously-criminal and deceitful shit-court. Let's hope that these pseudo-judges will be punished sometime.

        Because their entire civilization is based on the principle "What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull." Where is Jupiter they are exceptional, and the bull is the rest of the world.
        1. anjey
          anjey 9 June 2020 13: 10 New
          +6
          We are not the first time these "exceptional Jupiter bulls" are put in place in the "stall" laughing
          1. Looking for
            Looking for 9 June 2020 18: 37 New
            +3
            Not in the stall. And IN THE SLAUGHTER.
    2. DMoroz
      DMoroz 9 June 2020 11: 52 New
      +3
      With their refusal to provide NASA aerial and space satellite imagery data, the losers acknowledged their participation with the SBU in this provocative disaster.
      Not only them, they have reliable and loyal followers ...
      The Hague District Court spoke about Ukraine’s refusal to provide primary data from radars on the Boeing MH17 disaster in the summer of 2014 in Donbass. The words of the Dutch prosecutor leads RIA Novosti.
      https://lenta.ru/news/2020/06/09/haage/
      1. Avior
        Avior 9 June 2020 13: 27 New
        +2
        You honestly give a quote.
        “Data from primary radars from Ukraine were not received,” the prosecutor noted. According to him, a joint investigation team (CCG, JIT) conducted an investigation to find out the reasons for this. As a result, it was found that the radar in Donetsk was turned off, as it was located in the territory under the control of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), the radar near Artyomovsk was damaged during the fighting, and the radar in Chuguev was under maintenance.

        It is noted that Ukraine at the same time transmitted secondary data from radars.
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein 10 June 2020 16: 43 New
          0
          The radar near Artyomovsk was attacked by "unknown" special forces BEFORE the Boeing crash. Consequently, the downing of Boeing was planned in advance.
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 June 2020 16: 56 New
            -1
            What did he decide?
            Would he be there or not - what did it change?
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 10 June 2020 17: 10 New
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              The radar was located in the ARTEMOVSKY Zaitsevo, not far from the oil depot liquidated during the non-fall season. It was a long-distance drive of the Boryspil airport and it was possible to take data from it, in particular, the crew’s negotiations with the dispatchers, the presence of Ukrainian combat aircraft in the sky and the launch of an anti-aircraft missile. So someone had taken care in advance that this data was not there.
              1. Avior
                Avior 10 June 2020 17: 17 New
                -1
                The distant drive is 4 km from the edge of the runway and this is not a radar, but a beacon
                The crew’s negotiations with the dispatcher are recorded at the air traffic control post, and from there they were handed over to the Dutch, and they were later published.
                The area is viewed by the radar station from Russia and it was pointless to destroy specially the radar station in Artemovsk, all the same, these data were from Russia.
                Not to mention that a similar radar was in Donetsk.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 11 June 2020 07: 27 New
                  -1
                  What radio beacon? This ball is visible from the Artyomovsk-Gorlovka highway when passing through Otradovka. The calculation of specialists worked there. The area is indeed viewed from the Russian side, but OFFICIALLY the Rostov civil air traffic control center has not yet taken Boeing for escort (not its territory), therefore, even having the data, it has no right to provide them to The Hague. This was explained by the head of this center. A similar radar station was in Donetsk. But Ukraine set the case in The Hague so that The Hague did not accept data from Donetsk. For The Hague, neither Russia nor the DPR for some reason (?!) Are part of the investigation team. In the same way, investigators from Holland did not remove all the crash site. In 2014, they were NOT INTERESTED at the striking elements, and DPR investigators searched for them, found and offered them to The Hague. But they still refuse to attach to the case the striking elements found by the DNR investigators, although they worked together. In general, search the Internet and watch the doc film "The Truth About the MH17 Disaster: A Sensational Investigation by an SBU Officer." SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov investigated this case, and then WITH ALL documents went over to the side of the DPR, and then to Moscow. The striking elements interested the Dutch only a year later.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 11 June 2020 07: 59 New
                    -1
                    Prozorov did not investigate this case; moreover, he was not allowed to visit him, as he himself said
                    ... to all attempts to carefully find out the circumstances of the tragedy, they say: "Don't bother if you don't want trouble"

                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kp.ru/daily/26957/4011360/
                    His "revelations" are the usual information noise.
                    And can you give a link where it says that there was a record of information from the air traffic control radar in Donetsk?
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 9 June 2020 22: 50 New
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        Quote: DMoroz
        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/06/09/haage/

        Judging that it was incorrectly translated. From Dutch.
        The Hague District Court told about the refusal of Ukraine provide primary data from radars on the Boeing MH17 crash in the summer of 2014 in the Donbass. The words of the Dutch prosecutor Theis Berger leads RIA Novosti.
        «Data from primary radars from Ukraine were not received", The prosecutor noted. According to him, a joint investigation team (CCG, JIT) conducted an investigation to find out the reasons for this. As a result, it was found that the radar in Donetsk was turned off, as it was located in the territory under the control of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), the radar near Artyomovsk was damaged during the fighting, and the radar in Chuguev was under maintenance.
        It is noted that Ukraine at the same time transmitted secondary data from radars. They only register civilian planes in the sky that transmit a signal.

        That is, the news about the "refusal of Ukraine". The prosecutor talks about not receiving data (and not refusing)
        And an explanation of why not received. Objectively, they could not provide what is not. Provided what is.
        The data from the Utes-T radar in Rostov also did not immediately transmit. After 2 years.
  3. svp67
    svp67 9 June 2020 11: 28 New
    +5
    Among dozens of striking elements, two or three elements in the form of a "butterfly" were found in the bodies, it is very strange why other striking elements were not presented and there is no comparison, there are clearly more of them
    1. D16
      D16 9 June 2020 11: 54 New
      +6
      Not the fact that they were found in bodies, and not at any polygon. What I saw in the photo looked like it had been lying in the ground for many years. In corpses, they could not rot so quickly. And there must be a lot of this goodness in the power set. Not all of it in B-777 is made of titanium.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 June 2020 12: 50 New
      +4
      Could it be that the warhead of a missile is equipped with various types of destructive elements?
      It seemed to me that one. That is, either a "butterfly" or a "tile" or a "lattice".
  4. fn34440
    fn34440 9 June 2020 11: 35 New
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    In 1988, the US Navy's Vincennes missile cruiser, not over its territory, but over the waters of the Persian Gulf, will destroy the Iranian A300, killing 290 people - 274 passengers (including 65 children) and 16 crew members. The US government will declare that it considers the incident as a military incident and believes that the cruiser’s team acted in accordance with current circumstances. According to the military, the Iranian airliner was mistakenly identified as an attacking military aircraft. The same President Reagan said that there was a case of “justified defense”, emphasizing that the US did not consider itself guilty of what had happened, and partially blamed the Iranian government.

    Political expediency has different approaches.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 9 June 2020 22: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: fn34440
      The same President Reagan said that there was a case of “justified defense”, emphasizing that the US did not consider itself guilty of what had happened, and partially blamed the Iranian government.

      they paid compensation to all the relatives of the victims, thereby taking on the consequences of the disaster.
      1. lisiy prapor
        lisiy prapor 10 June 2020 16: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        they paid compensation to all the relatives of the victims, thereby taking on the consequences of the disaster.

        That is, if finances allow, can you shoot anyone, anywhere, while remaining an "empire of good"? Remember how they "smelled" when 5 years earlier we shot down "kaku" 007 in accordance with all international standards.
  5. IvanT
    IvanT 9 June 2020 11: 41 New
    +2
    Show Must Go On!
    1. mkop
      mkop 9 June 2020 12: 51 New
      -1
      What for? There have already been assigned the perpetrators.
  6. askort154
    askort154 9 June 2020 11: 45 New
    +2
    In the 20th century, a worn-out record was thrown into the trash. Everything is simple and fair. In the 21st century, instead of a record, they stupidly use modern "media resources" - turning them into a trash heap, while condemning - money does not smell.
    Thank God that I will not live to see the 22nd century!
  7. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 June 2020 12: 04 New
    +4
    Yes, even though Zeus the lightning took and shot down the plane - no matter who and what brought him down. Civil Aviation flocked over the Fighting AREA, where, damn it, Ukrainian aviation worked. On any side, this is not normal - and the fault is on those people who allowed it.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 June 2020 12: 09 New
    0
    report of international experts in which over 40 thousand pages
    The only thing that gave birth to the Dutch would-be investigators is the volume of pages, so that few people could understand the results of their "impartial" investigation.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 June 2020 13: 28 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      so that few people could understand the results of their "impartial" investigation.
      So that few can even figure it out and so that no one has the patience and free time to follow the course of the “investigation” and the theater called the “court”
  9. Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 9 June 2020 12: 12 New
    +1
    "Visual" samples were presented, as was the analysis of the material from which they were made?
    Otherwise, they have already tried repeatedly to "pull the owl on the globe."
    1. Boratsagdiev
      Boratsagdiev 9 June 2020 19: 33 New
      +1
      For those who are not "in the know".
      There are materials on this case conducted by Russian journalists and experts.
      There are detailed descriptions with material evidence and other things. including with "as if striking elements."
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 9 June 2020 12: 30 New
    +2
    This nonsense will last ... forever, because it is PAID!
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 9 June 2020 13: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      This nonsense will last ... forever, because it is PAID!

      Forever while paying. On the perpetual motion machine not very similar. wassat
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 June 2020 13: 35 New
        0
        So about the paid, until, advance payment did not work! Oh, the guys who gave the advance are very specific, they can also show the accountant, specific.
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 9 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    "... part of a Russian-made Buk missile complex"

    And again, the sign of identity is gracefully put between "Russian production" and "Russian application". This is how "public opinion" is formed in the absence of evidence for the prosecution.
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 10 June 2020 16: 50 New
      +1
      Moreover, the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the air defense of Ukraine was fully armed with Buks. "Buki" still passes through Khreshchatyk at parades in Kiev.
  12. Dysindich
    Dysindich 9 June 2020 14: 04 New
    +2
    And the investigation did not find it strange that about ten thousand PE "evaporated", and this, with a riddled cockpit and fuselage ...
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 9 June 2020 14: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Dysindich
      And the investigation did not find it strange that about ten thousand PE "evaporated", and this, with a riddled cockpit and fuselage ...

      Have the mice eaten?
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 June 2020 14: 18 New
    -1
    Frankly, send them to the forest and all things. They have no evidence, neither facts, nor testimony, nor documented evidence. Therefore, the case is sewn with white thread.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 9 June 2020 14: 20 New
    -3
    Yes Yes. Here are the commentators discussing - in the Russian Federation, the shots are somewhere, the USA did not declassify the other pictures, the experts found something there again, the planes flew in bulk, the controllers and the pilots in bulk were involved there .....

    And on the official Russian State News Agency TASS and others, the news of that time still lies:
    "Militias of the proclaimed DPR shot down an An-26 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force."
  15. Unclebens
    Unclebens 9 June 2020 15: 22 New
    -1
    And even IL - 76, too, was shot down ... from a slingshot ... and they say that there was a Polish army ... they say so. fool
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 10 June 2020 16: 55 New
      +1
      An-26 was a reconnaissance aircraft and flew at an altitude accessible to the Wasp. The IL-76 was shot down at the Luhansk airport DURING APPROACH and was available for MANPADS.
  16. Dysindich
    Dysindich 9 June 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Quote: Dysindich
    And the investigation did not find it strange that about ten thousand PE "evaporated", and this, with a riddled cockpit and fuselage ...

    Have the mice eaten?

    Like that ... especially when you consider that the PE missiles that are in service with Russia still have to get it ... (and therefore, one, and therefore does not meet the standard in terms of weight ... (such as manual, single work) )
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 9 June 2020 19: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Dysindich
      (type- manual, single work))

      Sawed all 6 years with a file?
  17. Xopek
    Xopek 10 June 2020 04: 12 New
    0
    Perhaps they will minus me now. But initially our Defense Ministry announced the presence of a Ukrainian SU-24 next to the Boeing. With which the SU-24 was covered. Earlier, Ukrainian planes had already gone astray. War all the same. From the very beginning I had an idea, aimed at the SU-24 - they hit the Boeing. In Syria, the Il-20 was also shot down by "friendly fire".
  18. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 10 June 2020 09: 06 New
    0
    This is in general the chaos and impudence of the "most honest investigation": a fragment of the "old" UKRAINIAN - 9M38 - missiles "Buk" "lost", and THREE samples of 9M38M1 striking elements of the "new" - "Buk" were "found" from nowhere! They sculpt business regardless of reason!
  19. Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich 10 June 2020 10: 13 New
    0
    And why are the cab windows closed? Really "native" glazing? Or did the pilots fly blindly?
  20. Nikolai Korovin
    Nikolai Korovin 10 June 2020 11: 26 New
    0
    Well, they really want to prove the unprovable. Where are the conversations with the Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers? Why did the board turn out to be 50 kilometers east of what it should have been during normal following the train? At a distance of no more than 300 km, such an error in navigation is impossible. About this - not gu-gu. Everything is exclusively about the striking elements.
  21. Alien From
    Alien From 10 June 2020 23: 58 New
    0
    The article is absolutely meaningless !!!!!