“And I ask you to stay, Crew Dragon”: SpaceX’s spaceship lingers in orbit

Dear friends, it's Friday in the yard! And this means that it is time to talk about the most serious topics that excite the minds of all mankind. Military Review, having spent many hours on a sleepless night, decided that the most important of the arts, uh ... of themed materials for all of us today is space.

In the section “Club of Friday Lovers” a small material is presented devoted, of course, to the epoch-making event of our time - how American astronauts Hurley and Benken plowed up the vastness of the Universe on the zealous Crew Dragon spaceship from Ilon Mask.

Not even 60 years have passed since the first manned flight into space, when suddenly ... such an achievement. The American cosmonautics (aka astronautics) - the one that has already flown to the moon, remembered that it was time to take a small step of man and a big step for humanity. The schedule is strict - every half a century, a step ...

Equipping exclusively American, private, independent and competitive spacecraft with Russian components, they said "Let's go!" Yes, Yuri Alekseevich; yes yes Neil Armstrong ... Please do not be surprised. They flew into space ...

Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight. His “trampolines” hurt the American partners so much that the American fitters set themselves the task of proving to the head of Roskosmos that they weren’t embarrassed as part of the caps competition. It is believed that this is why the portrait of Dmitry Olegovich today should hang in every office not only SpaceX, but also NASA. The skillful motivation carried out by Dmitry Rogozin allowed the American astronautics to finally feel the presence of gunpowder in the powder flasks. And on the neck, every American astronaut should now have a scaled copy of the Russian IDA docking adapter (APAS95-NDS), as a symbol of the successful docking of Crew Dragon with the International Space Station.

In the United States, prepared to meet the astronauts-heroes who made a space flight to the stars to the ISS. Waited for a meeting a day after the docking, waited four days later. But soon the week at the station is about to expire, and the cart (Crew Dragon) is still there. It is worth recalling that SpaceX announced the return of the "Dragon" to the earth in the days of the so-called "open windows". But instead of the triumphant return to Earth, astronauts Hurley and Benken either unload the Japanese space cargo ship or ring the bell, opening exchange trading in New York from orbit. It is understandable. The crew on the ISS in the previous composition is boring, because they do not want to let the new arrivals go. They offer responsible tasks "from the fence to lunch." Well, in fact, someone drilled a hole in Crew Dragon, so that the Mask ship would stay longer in orbit ...

Now they decided to exaggerate an unofficial statement about the "several months" stay. At the same time, the phrases “from a month to four” look strange for astronautics, where they are accustomed to more accurate parameters for completing missions.

As one famous character used to say: "And you, Crew Dragon, I will ask you to stay." And it remains. Till.

When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.

Comments

[Insurgent]

Not even 60 years have passed since the first manned flight into space, when suddenly ... such an achievement. The American cosmonautics (aka astronautics) - the one that has already flown to the moon, remembered that it was time to take a small step of man and a big step for humanity. The schedule is strict - every half a century, a step ...

Uh-uh! The author, you ... be careful, when I pointed out such a "cyclicality" in the US space tread, I was presented with "more than a hundred" "(now I'll look exactly how much and clarify ) ...

Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

[rocket757]

And how do they insist on the minuses to the author? there is no such provision ..... for the article, at least.
Then, the device is still there, so sho ......

[Insurgent]

Quote: rocket757

And how do they insist on the minuses to the author? there is no such provision ..... for the article, at least.

"Physically, minuses", of course, can not be, but in the comments of the Sect's Witnesses Jehovah's Ilona, ​​poop poop ...

[military_cat]

Previously, with the phrase "yes, they can't even launch a person," they brushed aside everything: from the fact that American vehicles roll on Mars, but Roscosmos does not; that the Americans have a super-heavy rocket, while Roscosmos does not; that the Americans learned to return the stages, while Roskosmos did not, that the Americans were able to make reusable ships of a new generation, and Roskosmos did not, that the Americans made the first ever engine with full gasification of components to come off the ground, but Roscosmos did not. Now these questions stand up to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that it does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for their own inability to work normally.

[rocket757]

Everyone knows how to grind with tongues!
how's it going ... let's see how it goes. And then again, when they jumped over, then let GOP talk.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Reusability coefficient and economic effect from please imagine, after that I will pat along with you.

[military_cat]

You don’t have to clap, it won’t leave me.

[Olgovich]

Quote: military_cat

Previously, the phrase "yes, they can't even start a person" brushed aside everything:

Against the backdrop of FORTY successful manned Russian flights, the American 0,5 flight (for the same period) is still What nothing, time will tell and it should take more than one year.

As for the rest, give Roskosmos the SAME funding as NASA, then ask.

[Andrey Bespalov]

Roscosmos does not need! Steal. It is necessary to give financing to engineers, designers and workers.

[snake]

Quote: Olgovich

give Roscosmos the SAME funding as NASA, then ask.

In the meantime, they have not given them - let them steal those "crumbs" - what they give, right? They steal and project.

[kotvov]

As for the rest, give Roskosmos the SAME funding as NASA ,,,
And you take an interest in the salary of Rogozin and the head of nasa? And if you know, then write, how many years have the Federation been made, and when are you going to launch it?

[mitrich]

Olgovich writes:
Against the backdrop of FORTY successful manned Russian flights, American 0,5 flights ...
Is this against the backdrop of 40 flights of the Clipper-Eagle-Federation? So they (him) have not been doing it for 9 years. Decades. And while he is either in plywood, or in polystyrene, or in the inflamed brain of the bosom.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

that the American devices ride on Mars

The reason is simple - the lack of such projects with us. Although the chassis of the Mars rovers, we have developed and tested. So far, as part of the federal space program, we are conducting a scan of Mars from orbit. The nearest project with the landing of our planetary station is Exomars 2022.

Quote: military_cat

that Americans have a superheavy rocket

Elements of our super-heavy rocket, code-named "Yenisei", are already being tested - they are the armature of the first stage of the "Soyuz-5" rocket. This is the RD-171MV engine.

Quote: military_cat

that Americans learned to return steps

The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga. In our case, it is desirable that the step itself gets to the starting point. Under its own power, so to speak. This is ultimately cheaper than spending money on delivery logistics. Therefore, a demonstrator of step return technology is now being created.

Quote: military_cat

that the Americans were able to make reusable new generation ships

We do not need to make "new generation reusable spacecraft" to fly to the ISS station. Soyuz MS has been flying there for 20 years. But we are making a promising new generation transport ship for a flight to the Moon.

Quote: military_cat

what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components

Our kerosene engines were fired with LNG back in the USSR. And already in the new Russia they burned the RD-180. This technology was then not in demand. The reasons were different. Nevertheless, Russia has several projects that have been brought up to a full-fledged engine. This is the four-chamber RD0110MD, a demonstrator engine for the upper stages of the Soyuz-2 missiles.

This is RD0162SD - a demonstrator engine with a thrust of 200 tons for the first stage of a reusable light carrier.

This is RD-0146M - a hydrogen engine for the Angara launch vehicle stage, which nevertheless was successfully burned also for LNG.

At the moment in Russia, an 80-85 ton engine is in demand, for the promising Soyuz-LNG carrier, for which the RD-0177 demonstrator engine is now being created, its intermediate prototype RD-0162D2A for 40 tons was previously made and successfully passed all tests which can also be used in upper stages or booster blocks.

Quote: military_cat

Now these questions are rising to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that this does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for one’s inability to work normally.

I think I answered your questions?

[military_cat]

Quote: slipped

Quote: military_cat

what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components

Our kerosene engines were burned on LNG in the USSR.

You don't know what a fully gasified engine is. Tell the curator to include this question in the training manual.

[mirexes]

You have a good training manual, or rather a curator, but honestly admitted

[El13]

Quote: military_cat

You don't know what a fully gasified engine is.

Please tell us what is it?
And also look at the device of the good old RD-170 and all its subsequent modifications and tell me, is there still gasification and for what?

[military_cat]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Жидкостный_ракетный_двигатель_замкнутой_схемы#Замкнутая_схема_с_полной_газификацией_компонентов

[Neim xxx]

And what forgive you, the R-270, developed back in the 60s, did not please you?

[military_cat]

They could not bring him to a healthy state even at the stand, not to mention the fact that he could get off the ground.

[Neim xxx]

Well this is not entirely true. The work was stopped due to the curtailment of the lunar program. The development itself and the test results then remained.

[military_cat]

The development itself and the test results then remained.

Only tests of individual parts, but not of the engine itself, can be considered successful. At that time, it was not possible to solve the problem of stability of the simultaneous control of two turbopumps - accordingly, the development was inoperative.

[Neim xxx]

This problem was solved in a couple of years by the Americans and ours are already up to date on the details)))

[Olgovich]

Quote: slipped

Quote: military_cat

that the American devices ride on Mars

The reason is simple - the lack of such projects with us. Although the chassis of the Mars rovers, we have developed and tested. So far, as part of the federal space program, we are conducting a scan of Mars from orbit. The nearest project with the landing of our planetary station is Exomars 2022.

Quote: military_cat

that Americans have a superheavy rocket

Elements of our super-heavy rocket, code-named "Yenisei", are already being tested - they are the armature of the first stage of the "Soyuz-5" rocket. This is the RD-171MV engine.

Quote: military_cat

that Americans learned to return steps

The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga. In our case, it is desirable that the step itself gets to the starting point. Under its own power, so to speak. This is ultimately cheaper than spending money on delivery logistics. Therefore, a demonstrator of step return technology is now being created.

Quote: military_cat

that the Americans were able to make reusable new generation ships

We do not need to make "new generation reusable spacecraft" to fly to the ISS station. Soyuz MS has been flying there for 20 years. But we are making a promising new generation transport ship for a flight to the Moon.

Quote: military_cat

what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components

Our kerosene engines were fired with LNG back in the USSR. And already in the new Russia they burned the RD-180. This technology was then not in demand. The reasons were different. Nevertheless, Russia has several projects that have been brought up to a full-fledged engine. This is the four-chamber RD0110MD, a demonstrator engine for the upper stages of the Soyuz-2 missiles.

This is RD0162SD - a demonstrator engine with a thrust of 200 tons for the first stage of a reusable light carrier.

This is RD-0146M - a hydrogen engine for the Angara launch vehicle stage, which nevertheless was successfully burned also for LNG.

At the moment in Russia, an 80-85 ton engine is in demand, for the promising Soyuz-LNG carrier, for which the RD-0177 demonstrator engine is now being created, its intermediate prototype RD-0162D2A for 40 tons was previously made and successfully passed all tests which can also be used in upper stages or booster blocks.

Quote: military_cat

Now these questions are rising to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that this does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for one’s inability to work normally.

I think I answered your questions?

Great comment, thanks!

Why don't you write an article here on VO? Here she is, already in a ready, almost, form!

And then we only read one thing: everything is over, and kaput (tired).

[zenion]

Strange, but in my childhood it was called kerogas, there were primuses.

[slipped]

Quote: Olgovich

And then we only read one thing: everything is over, and kaput (tired).

In the meantime, the commissioning of the technological equipment started at the Amur GPP, which is being built next to Vostochny.

[Uma palata]

Excellent set out. But, however, your opponent will not hear, he pours his own like a capercaillie while admiring his delicious chicken.

[military_cat]

You can still be fed with answers "will be soon" и "yes, I didn't really want to"? Happy for you. Itself was like that once.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

You can still be fed with answers "will be soon" и "yes, I didn't really want to"? Happy for you. Itself was like that once.

Will explain. The reasons why Russia does not use LNG engines today lie in several planes. The first reason motorists encounter when installing gas equipment on a car - when switching the gas-gas system, from a gas to gas, a gas engine has a drop in power. Something similar happens when the engine created for kerosene during the transition to LNG is used - the use of gas in a rocket requires the development of its technical solutions - and this is the money spent on both development and production - why spend too much if the kerosene engine works as required. The second of the main reasons follows, oddly enough, from the advantage of the LNG engine - fewer soot - this advantage is effective only in a reusable rocket, for a single-use rocket it is immaterial and it makes no sense then to make such an engine for current systems. The third reason is the price of fuel. An LNG engine pays off at the high cost of oil prices. From the mid-90s until recently, the price of oil was high — rocket-engineering companies wanted to lower the cost of output by switching to a different fuel pair — hence the creation of LNG demonstrator engines by Russia, despite the fact that all engines have we are on kerosene rockets and at today's current cost of oil there is no sense today in transferring all carriers to gas.

Those. we come to the conclusion that the LNG engine is the prerogative of only a reusable carrier - there it justifies its technical solution, and also reduces the cost of startup by everything else.

Such a launch vehicle in Russia is now being designed on the "Wing-SV" theme at the Bartini Design Bureau - a cruise recoverable stage of an ultralight rocket for the operational launch of small spacecraft into space.

A large-scale demonstrator will be made in a couple of years. Preliminary, in the near future, it is planned to drop the stage model glider from the aircraft. Whether such a decision will be justified - one should look at the results of its operation before using it on the average Soyuz-LNG carrier.

[Drummer]

Comparison with ICE is strong. Nothing, that specific impulse is more than just methane?
The cost of fuel is ~ 1% of the cost of a rocket, especially since the advantages of methane in terms of fuel cost are not at all obvious. The advantages are just the possibility of multiple start-ups without critical consequences, higher reliability of less aggressive "sweet" gasification and potentially higher efficiency due to higher pressure in the chamber.

[slipped]

Quote: Drummer

Comparison with ICE is strong.

Well, I had to land the analogy as much as possible for the car itself has a pair of gas-gasoline.

Quote: Drummer

Nothing, that specific impulse is more than just methane?

Nothing , it was not a specific impulse.

Here, let’s take as an example the cryogenic RD-701- three-component rocket engine: thrust in vacuum: 1st mode (oxygen-kerosene): 408 tf (4 kH), 001nd mode (oxygen-hydrogen): 2 tf (160 kN)

In this case, the specific impulse in a vacuum: 1st mode: 415 sec, 2nd mode: 460 sec.

Those. the engine needs to be done immediately under LNG, to get the result of greater power.

Quote: Drummer

The cost of fuel is ~ 1% of the cost of a rocket, especially since the advantages of methane in terms of fuel costs are not at all obvious.

Not the cost of the rocket, but the services to launch it, and yes not 1% for sure.

Quote: Drummer

The advantages are just the possibility of multiple start-ups without critical consequences, higher reliability of less aggressive "sweet" gasification and potentially higher efficiency due to higher pressure in the chamber.

This is described above - for reusable use.

[slipped]

I apologize - I made a mistake in the name of one of the methane engines above, I clarify the list:

RD0162 - thrust 203,9 tons - project "Volga"
RD0162SD - thrust 42,5 tons - MRKS-1 project

[military_cat]

Quote: slipped

Will explain. The reasons why Russia does not use LNG engines today lie in several planes.

If this is an explanation of something, it’s just not what I was talking about. I didn’t say anything about LNG or methane at all.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

I didn’t say anything about LNG or methane at all.

yes, yes, you said that everything is bad and everyone will die soon

[free_flier]

Not "answered", but killed.

[Drummer]

Quote: slipped

The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga.

What trouble happened to "Vostochny" or did the taiga grow in the Pacific Ocean?

[slipped]

Quote: Drummer

What trouble happened to "Vostochny" or did the taiga grow in the Pacific Ocean?

it’s easy to find the distribution of fall zones in the network

[lego2]

Please tell us what kind of superheavy rocket is and if it is possible that they launched such superheavy rocket and where?

[figwam]

Quote: lego2

Please tell us what kind of super-heavy rocket and if possible,

They don’t have a heavy missile; tests have not been carried out.

[zenion]

You know a lot. If the rocket can be lifted by three people - this is an average rocket. If four cannot lift it, it is a heavy rocket. And five people can no longer lift the super heavy, but if six can be lifted.

[figwam]

Quote: zenion

You know a lot.

In that case, yes, I confess I did not know.

[Drummer]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy

[Uma palata]

Duc Americans still somehow back to Earth, squaw hug. Nasa is now wondering how to complete it. Or ask the ugly Russians to deliver the Americans to the Earth in Russian in a descent vehicle, after providing them with an original item. Or, forgive me, xxxxsaving, to make your astronauts heroes posthumously using an ilon can. As for the fact that these people are sincerely acutely sorry now, politicians do not operate on such positions. And Nasa, that they are forced people, will fulfill the order.
Complete, and frankly, terrible this one, which can not be spelled here. People were thrown into space, and both back to America, they sat down on the fact that there is no need to write here either.

[Morrow]

Stop taking drugs!

[mixail sherbakov]

Yes, such a topic could not do without a local maskroder))

[really]

As a smart person, so with the minuses, everything is fine

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

but in the comments of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Ilona’s Sects, they poop

Not until the "Dragon" on the leash will be silent, but when it lands, it will get it in full.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Insurgent

"Physically, minuses", of course, can not be, but in the comments of the Sect's Witnesses Jehovah's Ilona, ​​they’ll throw poop ...

Colleagues, let's respect the feelings of believers!

[Insurgent]

Quote: PilotS37

Colleagues, let's respect the feelings of believers!

Sectsprohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation

[Uma palata]

Jehovah's people are forbidden sects, so not respecting their feelings is not prohibited. The author used a very true comparison: the prayer worship of fools for a false idol.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Uma Palata

Jehovah's people are forbidden sects, so not respecting their feelings is not prohibited. The author used a very true comparison: the prayer worship of fools for a false idol.

Actually, I meant the Witnesses of Mask ...

[l7yzo]

sect, not a sect, but after all, the babut worked)))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: l7yzo

sect, not a sect, but after all, the babut worked)))

What is the use of the fact that it worked if the reverse mechanism does not work. They docked the docking station with their high-tech rubbish and now the full-time crew is being consumed. A lingering mattress is worse than an intruder.

[Vadim237]

His return was generally originally calculated for August.

[free_flier]

Judging by their broadcast, when the entrance hatch was closed for almost an hour, using - starting from the standard handle, ending with a bunch of wrenches, is not so good with this trampoline. Apparently the Americans are sensing something was wrong, and therefore they are thinking over how to fall on the tail of those who flew to the Union ...

[Vadim237]

Finish to carry all nonsense.

[Dart]

Dmitry, bravo! about the mattress finally can be set off!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Then, the device is still there, so sho.

Well, wait, we’re not used to it.

[rocket757]

If the astronauts think of going down on it ... I don’t care who, what and how, let them all be fine!

[Antokha]

If everything is not going well with them, we didn’t do anything specifically for this, and all questions to SpaceX engineers.

[rocket757]

Quote: Anton

If everything is not going well with them, we didn’t do anything specifically for this, and all questions to SpaceX engineers.

We won’t ... we won’t be all!

[Foxmara]

This does not hurt to blame yourself know someone that he personally dug a ditch on the cape. There, the beginner will remember what they don’t remember, come up with. And add sanctions.

[Kart]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, wait, we’re not used to it.

Another 6 years.
How many launched, so much to return.
Moreover, the United States is not up to them now, as if a revolution did not happen.
Resubmitted in orbit.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Carte

Resubmitted in orbit.

Choose the safest place

[free_flier]

If only they could not drag COVIDa into orbit ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: rocket757

the device is still there

I would not be surprised if the Americans have to return on duty "Soyuz". This will be the number.

Now they decided to exaggerate unofficially a statement about "several months" of stay.

[rocket757]

Quote: orionvitt

I would not be surprised if the Americans have to return on duty "Soyuz".

I won’t be surprised either. In this case it is possible and .... in short, it is possible.

[vkl.47]

One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos made the docking module to him. free. and grandmothers from the Ministry of Defense. to call this a private project is simply stupid. typical Hollywood with its show-offs. Kubrick’s creation of the moon on the moon.

[halpat]

Quote: vkl.47

One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos made the docking module to him. free. and grandmothers from the Ministry of Defense. to call this a private project is simply stupid. typical Hollywood with its show-offs. Kubrick’s creation of the moon on the moon.

Well, actually what it is about.
Elon Musk received everything from the state. Apparently "for the beautiful eyes."
His companies suffer long-term and multimillion-dollar losses (hundreds of millions every year). And all "like water off a goose."
The conclusion suggests itself - this action is not private. The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Halpat

The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.

One in one story with microsoft. Only there ibm leaked its resources

[free_flier]

"Not yet evening"...
The mask shares are jerking no worse than the exchange rate of the cue ball ... how it goes to real realization - so fall, as to an advertising campaign - it will immediately take off ...
If the dragon is nae ..., I feel that everyone who has now invested money in his shares will be in deep ..., well, as in the legendary film - "lower than the belt" ... only from behind.

[anjey]

Space requires a serious scientific, technical and political approach, some "private traders from the stars" will not pull it.

[neri73-r]

Quote: anjey

Space requires a serious scientific, technical and political approach, some "private traders from the stars" will not pull it.

As well as not pull any large infrastructure project. About the hand of the market, foreign investment, etc. must be forgotten, as this is a divorce for suckers.

[KAV]

Quote: Halpat

The conclusion suggests itself - this action is not private. The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.

Exactly! And why? The answer is simple: if they succeed, it is jointly with NASA and America, and if they fail, it is only Elon who is to blame.

[Kart]

It always happens, not only in the USA.
Everyone wants to share the victory. Because what is there to say, it’s really an achievement to collect new ship, and send people into space.
If you make a successful project, then those who "also participated" will immediately run up. Moreover, they speak and speak more than the author.

[free_flier]

So he has already voiced this apologeme for America.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Halpat

The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private

Here you are wrong). How economic! The market for commercial launches is very rich, especially when you are in charge of allocations. And one NASA is not suitable for an exchange game. It takes several applicants for government money, then this money is washed a hundred times easier, such technologies. Long run in. So I had to inflate the bubble.
Astronauts feel sorry for the station and scary. There, resources for an enlarged crew are not calculated, and people are very tired, no matter how hard they are. I wonder if they will wait for our ship, or will they risk all the same?

[ccsr]

Quote: Mikhail3

The market for commercial launches is very rich, especially when you are in charge of allocations.

It is rich in launching satellites, and not in manned programs. So the launch market for astronauts and tourists is not as large as it might seem, especially since it is associated with risks.

Quote: Mikhail3

And one NASA is not suitable for an exchange game.

The state agency did not have the right to play for budget money - there was no need to invent something that was not in sight.

Quote: Mikhail3

So I had to inflate the bubble.

Indeed, the bubble is inflated, and most likely by those companies whose owners want to oust Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas from the market of aerospace companies, because they see a perspective in it. That's where Musk came from, which in this case is somewhat reminiscent of General Groves in the Manhattan project.

Quote: Mikhail3

I wonder if they will wait for our ship, or will they risk all the same?

At least they booked our ship for the fall, according to the media.

[free_flier]

They will devour all the nishtyaks at the station before this time.

[voyaka uh]

"Companies carry it for many years and multi-million
losses (hundreds of millions every year) "////
----
Your information is out of date.
SpaceX has been profitable since 2018. .
Tesla has become profitable since 2020. And behind her shares is a brawl on stock exchanges.
Began to produce a new car factory in China. And in America they’ll start
build a second factory.
A gigabyte of batteries has become cost-effective. And Musk is building three more: in the USA,
Germany and China.
ALL projects of Ilona Mask become profitable in a few years.
This is already learned in the world.
And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
for creating thousands of jobs.

[Alecsandr]

Correctly. They do not want to see the obvious success of the international space station, which serves the benefit of all mankind. The ISS will function better with American ships and I do not understand the gloating of some comrades on this subject. Or, as always, the neighbor’s cow died a trifle, but nice.

[5-9]

That's about Tesla is not necessary .... it shows quarterly profit every 2-3 years (to the applause of Teslachomachia) .... here only in the next quarter losses are several times higher than usual :)))

the "price" of shares just shows that this is a pyramid, and Musk is a system dude ... otherwise the SEC would have put him on a bunk years ago

[voyaka uh]

90% of firms in the world are public, with shares. Stocks do not mean a pyramid.
----
I have not mentioned StarLink with future 12,000 satellites.
Already now they have traced what profits are hidden there.
When the system is fully operational, Elon Musk will become a trillionaire.

[5-9]

The last 11 years, all American stocks are a bubble, because trillions of KuE went precisely and only to the stock market ... otherwise hyper in 2010 would happen in the USA.

But Tesla ... this is MMM in its purest form, the highest stage of development of the South Seas Company ... only instead of Lenya Golubkov, you have to produce cars .... ZhM with Ford "stand" for about 40-45 lard, and a bug with a couple of hundred thousand cars a year and losses accumulated over 10 years in 13 lard "cost" the same ... and now it has become ... 80..90 ??? Moreover, the larger the release, the greater the loss ... but hamsters believe ...

[Vadim237]

In economic terms - you don’t have to believe and forecast for the future the Mask real production and a very advanced advertising company the result is in demand investments come despite Tesla’s loss - the company has not yet developed its full potential for development and access to profit and its further growth - the office is quite large.

[anjey]

Time PMC in all sectors? Tomorrow he will create his Army, Navy and go to conquer the world? And the eternal run in a circle will create a new state? There are no business independent from anyone, even the richest private owners of oligarchs.

Quote: voyaka uh

This is already learned in the world.
And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
for creating thousands of jobs.

[zombirusrev]

I remind you! Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk!

[orionvitt]

Quote: zombirusrev

Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk

This is not idle talk and not a scientific debate, but the expression of one’s own opinion. And his own opinion does not always need a link. In addition, if a person stubbornly believes in different things, if a person has a causal relationship broken in his head, then no links will convince him. Moreover, on the network, you can dig links for all occasions.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

SpaceX has been profitable since 2018

Ha. How did you determine its profitability? If SpaceX's accounting is closed. According to the owner?
No shares on the exchange ...

[voyaka uh]

There are international estimates of the cost of each type of launch
rockets into space. (The new Falcon-9 costs the Mask roughly like the Union
Roscosmos. But each returning 1st step with the engines does
Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than the Union. The client pays the same.)
And it is known how much each company charges a client per ton of cargo.
And it is known how many launches each company made per year.
Arithmetic is very simple.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

But each returning 1st step with the engines does
Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soyuz

And do you really believe that? That the first stage costs 30-40% of the cost of the rocket? This is not true. Most of the cost of all missiles is not hardware, but endless checks and tests ... My acquaintances from Energomash (Khimki) called the relative cost of iron - approximately 10%, relative to the entire cycle. Even the RD-180 undergoes firing tests before dispatch ... and these tests are more expensive than the engine itself.

[voyaka uh]

"That the first stage costs 30-40% of the cost of the rocket? It's not true." ///
---
Of course not. The first stage costs 70-80% of the cost of the entire rocket.
30-40 - this is after all refueling, transportation to the launch pad,
installation of the 2nd stage and checks.
At Falcon-9, some steps flew 4-5 times. Without replacing and repairing engines.
Roscosmos will inevitably make reusable first steps. And all the rest
Mask competitors too. It's inevitable like the arrival of summer

[NordUral]

But each returning 1st step with the engines does
Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than the Union.

Dreams, dreams ... And which astronaut will fly on bu engines?

[voyaka uh]

"And which astronaut will fly on boo engines?" ///

Any. As now fly many times on passenger liners.
If you design engines not forced, but working on 2/3
maximum power, as is done on the Falcon-9, there is no
danger. Cargo Dragons have already flown several times to the ISS and back
on second-hand first steps. There were no problems. And the passenger Dragon at the Mask
- copy of the freight. With minimal additives.

[NordUral]

The technique is complicated, as reusable shuttles have proven.
It is possible that they will agree to fly, but bringing into proper flight condition, I think that will not be much cheaper than initial launches. We will see.

[tikhonov66]

"... But each returning 1st stage with engines does
Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soyuz
..."
- only in the sense that all this is broken iron - it can be very profitable to REACH SAREWEARS ... 8-))))
- after all, NOT ONE - have not flown again! (and, accordingly - "did not make Falcon 9 30-40% cheaper" 8--)

Realize, dear, that all this BU-iron for its reuse - REQUIRES A FULL CYCLE OF TESTS. Because believing the "word of honor" of Ilona Mask is more expensive for yourself. And no one knows how to test this "fool" in the collection. And therefore - DISASSEMBLY is needed, most likely a complete one, then troubleshooting, then testing, again troubleshooting, hierarchical assembly - with testing at each stage.
- and not easier / cheaper / more reliable, is it possible to make a new one?

and this is the materiel.

[voyaka uh]

"that all this is BU-iron for its reuse - DEMANDS A FULL CYCLE OF TESTING" ////
----
Does not require. Conduct regular inter-flight inspections, like fighters
or passenger liners.
When iron is designed once, then it works once.
When designed for reusability, then it works many times.
Are you used to astronautics of the first stage of space exploration
- he is a thing of the past.
All space technology is becoming reusable.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

Does not require. Conduct regular inter-flight inspections, like fighters
or passenger liners.
When iron is designed once, then it works once.
When designed for reusability, then it works many times.

RD-180 passes fire tests up to 10 times !!! But there are such extreme operating parameters that some details - turbopumps, for example - must be sorted out ... The engine is disassembled ...
So this stage mask is disassembled necessarily! And in these steps, in fact, there is nothing. Huge tanks, and engines docked to them.

[voyaka uh]

"But there are such limiting parameters of work," ////
----
Well, here we have come to an understanding of the issue.
And in Falcon engines, components with such extreme
no parameters.
Its nodes were originally designed for reusability.
How is the Toyota engine different from the Formula 1 engine, okay?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: voyaka uh

And in Falcon engines, components with such extreme
no parameters.

Oh my God! Do you believe that yourself? If the rocket engines have parameters that are not limiting, they will have an impulse so-so, respectively, more fuel consumption, well, and everything that follows. These engines were not designed by Musk. They took them ready to NASA.

[voyaka uh]

"their impulse will be so-so" ////
-----
Ну и что? On Falcon engines 9 pieces.
And each engine, like the Toyota engine, is not a record.
Not Formula 1.
But it’s reusable. For 10 flights / returns.
(And on Falcon Heavy, already 27 pieces and also - all reusable
and returnable)

[Mountain shooter]

Well, not really NASA. But it was based on the engine of the landing stage of the Apollo Lunar Module. NASA is kind ... gave it to the developer!

[Dart]

Quote: voyaka uh

All space technology is becoming reusable.

So far this is only half a step .... and not the fact that the right direction ... five years of intensive operation will show whether this is so, or we must again return to the idea of ​​shuttles again.

[voyaka uh]

How to return the first step?
You can sit on your own exhaust, like a mask,
You can like Shuttles / Burans, you can parachute.
Differently. But rockets become reusable.

[really]

A man was driven into the head many years ago, he lives with this and does not accept novelty.

[Andrey Komkov]

Is this a masked Merlin with a plastic nozzle and does not require a COP ?? Yeah, well, yes, of course, they just visually inspected the flight. That's only jet engines during development run for hundreds of hours of work at the stands, but I don’t remember something that Musk would drive his plastic engines with burning and restarting, even if only for several hours as he plans to use them. Let me remind you of the words of Americans about the fact that the stage becomes profitable only after 10 flights. And also a recent case in March, when a stage after 4 flights fell into the ocean due to an engine explosion. Four, not 10. All your words about astronautics are valid only in one case - when the technology of engine production will be radically altered (how the turbojet engine went into aviation together). Reducing the load on the engine, as Mask did, is a decrease in the thrust of the engine itself, which leads to an increase in the number of these same engines in the first stage and, paradoxically, leads to an increase in the probability of an engine explosion at the start as the number of starts (which is confirmed by practice ) But the difference from aviation is substantial here - in aviation, the failure of one engine does not lead to disaster, and the plane continues to fly. An explosion of an engine with a tight layout like on Falcon 9 leads to damage to neighboring engines and to a disaster with the fall of the entire rocket.

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey Komkov

how together the internal combustion engine came to aviation).

How interesting. A turbojet engine is not an internal combustion engine?

Quote: Andrey Komkov

An explosion of an engine with a tight layout like on Falcon 9 leads to damage to neighboring engines and to a disaster with the fall of the entire rocket.

And the Union or Proton will not even notice the explosion of the engine and will continue to fly serene

[Andrey Komkov]

In principle, turbojet engines are also ICE. But I meant which with cylinders - gasoline and diesel. And whose output is the rotation of the shaft. Whereas turbojet engines convert the energy of gases into engine thrust.
An engine explosion on both the Union and Proton will also lead to disaster. However, the probability of an explosion of a new engine only made is much lower than that of flying repeatedly with no faults.

[Vadim237]

For this, ultrasonic flaw detection also has diagnostic equipment for all systems of the first stage - what the hell needs to be disassembled and tested if the stage was technically created initially reusable.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vadim237

For this, ultrasonic flaw detection and diagnostic

And how to check the assembly (engine assembly)?

[Vadim237]

Engines have an electronic control and diagnostic system, like all other systems, along with ultrasonic inspection, diagnosticians also have video endoscopes for visual inspection.

[Andrey Komkov]

And do not tell me how you are going to make ultrasonic flaw detection diagnostics of the laminated plastic of which the composites and nozzles of Merlin 1D engines consist? If there are already a lot of cracks between the layers of plastic.

[vadimtt]

X-ray?

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

But each returning 1st step with the engines does
Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soya

Personally, would you fly into space at a stage that has already launched a rocket into orbit once or twice? ... But 40% cheaper. A funeral is always cheaper than a return.

[Vadim237]

It would fly at a reusable stage as if it had already successfully delivered the payload five times, and what should I be afraid of the manned ship the CAC system exists even if the rocket explodes on the launch steel, this system will save the ship and crew.

[Andrey Komkov]

This system has already exploded once on the ground once the capsule has returned, smashing the entire capsule to smithereens (what happened to the first unmanned flying Crew Dragon, don’t you recall?). At Mask, engines of 400N each, grouped in 5 pieces, are located behind a thin wall right next to the astronauts. They are supplied with precisely those high-boiling components, the simple mixing of which gives instant ignition. While all normal designers remove potentially explosive engines as far away from people as possible. But Musk is our smartest, he is a genius. I wonder how then this genius will explain to the relatives of the dead astronauts (pah-pah, God forbid), why did their husbands and fathers explode in the most advanced ship?

[free_flier]

Yes ... it’s 30-40% cheaper ... I just used the used stage once, and the 10% discount for customers who use the old stage when launching their goods didn’t have any effect, since cargo insurance increases sharply for the sender, and the discount has no economic effect.
Maybe NASA at the fulfilled steps will agree to send its astronauts to the ISS ... ???

[Vadim237]

Already the second reusable stage flew five times - that you had no effect there orders for BUSH go.

[A.TOR]

NASA has decided to allow the reuse of the Dragon for a new flight with people and the reuse of the first stage. Will sign after the return and inspection of the ship.

[Drummer]

Only not "Soyuz", but "Proton", "Soyuz" in a lower class and in every way cheaper.

[6895]

5 billion per year received Tesla from the state, voice the first profit, several tens of millions. Time will tell whether Tesla is needed at all in the market, because all the major car manufacturers have and are developing this area. In the current situation in the Tesla markets, it can generally be covered with a copper basin with its profit.

[3danimal]

Where does this information come from? In what form did she receive the money?

[6895]

In US dollars. Obama administration.

[3danimal]

Now Tesla is worth 200+ billion, sales are good. Many patents have generally been made publicly available with the light hand of Mask. So what's wrong with Tesla (not in the world of REN-TV)?

[6895]

We are talking about the innovations that the cat wept. Musk is a businessman, now Tesla is a promoted brand that will now be shoved onto any product, computers, mugs, anything and it will be sold and earned more than electric cars.

[3danimal]

But is not a bunch of their patents (can be broken through the corresponding site) not innovations? I was interested in these accusations (or reproaches), it turned out - they are often based on the misinformation of some (the majority) and the stuffing of others (including state-owned channels).

[6895]

You are confusing something, to put it simply, Musk huckster, cynically mows loot. Where is he and where is innovation. Tesla is a great brand, but the Mask before electrical engineer Nicolo Tesla (with its innovations) is like before Beijing cancer.

[3danimal]

So you start to loop somewhere.
My words: Tesla is about innovation, they have a bunch of patents. It relates to Nicola as a memory of an outstanding scientist.
It is extremely ridiculous to compare him and the Mask. The latter is a businessman and (obviously) an excellent organizer, which is extremely important for the implementation of these innovations.
About huckster and stuff - fire, less emotion and more specifics. The same fancy has the following things: the massive appearance of electric vehicles, a significant reduction in the cost of commercial launches into orbit. Benefit for everyone, there is nothing wrong with earning income on this. Who else did this?

[halpat]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Companies carry it for many years and multi-million
losses (hundreds of millions every year) "////
----
Your information is out of date.
SpaceX has been profitable since 2018. .
Tesla has become profitable since 2020. And behind her shares is a brawl on stock exchanges.
Began to produce a new car factory in China. And in America they’ll start
build a second factory.
A gigabyte of batteries has become cost-effective. And Musk is building three more: in the USA,
Germany and China.
ALL projects of Ilona Mask become profitable in a few years.
This is already learned in the world.
And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
for creating thousands of jobs.

I note that 2020 is coming right now.
And the brawl on stock exchanges for stocks is not an objective indicator of the company's profitability, in the "markets" (among stockbrokers) they say about the attractiveness of investing in the stocks of a particular company and "profitability" is just one of the factors.
How many fights were in the "markets"? Do not count.
Car sales worldwide fell by 70-80%. Why would not the cheapest Tesla suddenly become profitable?
There are no options. And reasoning about profitability is an element of unscrupulous (though ordinary) speculation.
“Do not hide your money in banks and corners. And at midnight, bury your money in the ground here ”(c)
“As long as greedy is alive around, good luck we will not let go” (c)

[KCA]

You should at least look at TSLA stock quotes, they are like mountains, up / down, then 885, then 400, there has not been and will not be stable growth, and in China there will be little Musk to build, while Donny is in power in the USA, he can still ban finger batteries in China to buy, Tesla quickly blown away to zero

[Captain45]

Quote: Halpat

Elon Musk received everything from the state. Apparently "for the beautiful eyes."
His companies suffer long-term and multimillion-dollar losses (hundreds of millions every year). And all "like water off a goose."

So he (Musk), whose brother is Chubais, or what?

[tikhonov66]

"... So he (Musk), what is Chubais's brother, or what?
..."
- no, he’s grandson of Ostap Bender,
who invented and implemented another (1001st)
- "a relatively fair way of taking money" - called "Skryuch.Dragon"
8-))

[Vadim237]

Yes, he didn’t get much there - he was able to do what others couldn’t afford; he assembled a compact team, set up production development and made good advertising for a new office and things went uphill, the last words in all the developments and technical solutions were left to Mask and he creates the direction of the company.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vkl.47

.technology he received everything from NASA. free. and grandmother from the Ministry of Defense.

And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

[halpat]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: vkl.47

.technology he received everything from NASA. free. and grandmother from the Ministry of Defense.

And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

Deripaska is not allowed. He handed over the Russian aluminum industry to the enemy for not a single gunpowder. We barely managed to "fart" (Russian state).

You can only give "conditional" to Rotenberg and Timchenko :))
so that they immediately lifted sanctions (lured), and then again ... introduced and began to extort.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Halpat

Rotenberg

Yeah, he will fly, how come. It’s better to give Mutko technology, he is special in all matters with us.

[Motorist]

Better Mutko give technology

Leontievich - colleague, he can handle it! "In 1977-1978 he worked as a seaman-minder" (Ts. Vicki).

[PilotS37]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

About "stone" and space - smiled great!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: PilotS37

About "stone" and space - smiled great!

And they hit me the cons. Fans of Deripaska, probably ...

[PilotS37]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And they hit me the cons. Fans of Deripaska, probably ...

Not! - It's just that very serious people imagined how the stone ship "Deripaska's Flower" collapsed on their heads from the Open-Space ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: PilotS37

stone ship "Deripaska's Flower"

Oh well them ... The mistress of the copper mountain will give out ... In full.

[Captain45]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

The fifth day sat, Danila the master frowned. The stone flower does not come out ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Captain45

frowned Danila the master.

Ragozin is a master.

[NordUral]

It’s impossible to Deripaska, he will again give everything to the States and Co., as he gave aluminum and generation.

[free_flier]

NASA uses the Mask to cover its zheppa in case of failure, which he already voiced before launch.
Roscosmos zheppu cover is not necessary.

[El13]

Quote: vkl.47

modestly kept silent that Roskosmos did the docking module to him

well, it’s normal if it’s our area of ​​responsibility and we set the standards here and do it ourselves, it’s very good, but what was silent, well, I think there are a lot of non-state things there and what, remember all the Chinese? No, claims are far-fetched in this part.

[Moxolov]

Quote: Insurgent

Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))

Quote: vkl.47

One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos had made a docking module to him. How did the liberde hang?

I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))

[Insurgent]

Quote: Moxolov

No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))

Quote: Moxolov

I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))

I am a supporter of the principle: "Tooth behind Tooth"

[Moxolov]

Quote: Insurgent

I am a supporter of the principle "tooth for tooth"

I also don’t bast and snarl to the best of my ability, but there are too many of them here ..

[novel66]

not chic brit ...

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

not chic brit ...

Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight.

It turns out Rogozin said to the Mask: "Climb, buddy, - the head crawled through, it will crawl through the ass"

[novel66]

but in vain !! if you are not a cat! hi

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

but in vain !! if you are not a cat! hi

Cat, that's good. Something begins to feel like a repeat of the East Prussian operation ... Not far from the order to "respect Churchill, tfu you then bish ... mask "

[novel66]

send a truck and bring it to the scum ??

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

send a truck and bring it scow??

Rum, in my opinion, women were not sent to the ISS this time

[novel66]

Nah, scow, which is full of mullet ....

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

Nah, scow, which is full of mullet ....

There is a version that:
"There was no mullet in Odessa, he lied about who wrote the song, but our Kostya lived without sorrow, he bought a mullet in Turkey and loaded it with a scow, only brought it to Odessa ..."

[novel66]

from Turkey usually imported tobacco .. smuggling ... the main income in Odessa

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

from Turkey usually imported tobacco .. smuggling ... the main income in Odessa

Let's hope that Ukrainian customs officers read us

[novel66]

they have long been in the lane .. well Gena .. tradition ..

[free_flier]

If they begin to wool the tobacco business in the 404th from Monday, then they will be pierced right away - they will calculate among them readers of the Russian resource, and even which one - “Military Review” !!!

[Moxolov]

Quote: Terenin

It turns out Rogozin said to the Mask: "Climb, buddy, - the head crawled through, it will crawl through the ass"

It turns out that way .. The trap turned out notable! And then the vaunted articles about the "conquest of the US" of space in the internet suddenly stopped abruptly, as if on command .. Only here the idolaters of "US supremacy" are minus from anger .. Let's see what happens next.

[Terenin]

Quote: Moxolov

Here only idolaters minus from anger

So you noticed

[novel66]

So you noticed

bad people

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

So you noticed

bad people

Good people sit at home and will not hang around sites ...

[novel66]

no, well, here we are ...

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

no, well, here we are ...

And who said that this is not our home?

[novel66]

yes there are all sorts ..

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

yes there are all sorts ..

What are you doing? Then ran to work

[novel66]

happy ... and I'm sitting on the pope exactly ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Terenin

Good people sit at home and will not hang around sites ...

In masks and gloves you can.

[Moxolov]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Moxolov

Here only idolaters minus from anger

So you noticed

They are watching, some banned)))) They threaten .. So it’s funny to read them
I don’t take offense at them

[Kart]

They stopped with the onset of riots in the United States. It was not up to the Mask.

[PilotS37]

Quote: Moxolov

It turns out. That is so .. The trap turned out notable! And something vaunted articles about the "conquest of the United States" of space in the internet suddenly stopped abruptly, as if on command .. Only here the idolaters of "US supremacy" are minus from anger .. Let's see what happens next.

Yes, I remember, here the other day such apologetics pearl: and 7 crew members, and reusable ...
He spat, and did not read to the end! But now how it all turns ... Stuck, it seems ...

[Vadim237]

It’s just that the author is not aware that Dragon 2 will be docked to the ISS until August - checks and tests of the ship in orbit continue.

[free_flier]

It’s good that they didn’t send seven, I suppose, like cockroaches, and they would start to eat plastic with paper until the fall.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Terenin

... Rogozin told Musk: "Climb, buddy ...:

Gentlemen , time will show whether Ilonushka is right or mistaken and beautifully spread everyone into grandmothers, but he definitely can’t take one away from him - a person is endowed with considerable ambitions and organizational abilities: to promote such a project, and even attract a lot of other people's / state money, is handsome.

[letinant]

No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))

I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))

Not only did you suffer in this machah. There already

military_cat

manifested. The son’s mask is over.

XIA-12

and Rogozin’s sons,

Fedor and Artyom

.

[Super]

Fedor is also a robot.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Moxolov

No need to excite them again, otherwise they will run right now ..

They had a "holiday" on Sunday (I then also picked up the minuses for a year in advance), and now they have quieted down something. It's strange. Even somehow boring, without heart-rending screams about "a technical genius of all times and peoples", "an unsurpassed rocket made in a garage on a knee", "Space x staff" only 6000 people, but jack-of-all-trades "," torn to pieces by Roscosmos "(I've already heard this somewhere), and other interesting things.
By the way, where did the reusable media go? Live broadcast, there was a video from the first stage. The brake engines were preliminarily worked out, the aerodynamic rudders moved forward, and the clouds had already begun to pass. Well, I think, another minute and we'll see the landing (the most advertised skate of the "Falcon"). Three seconds of video from the landing barge was immediately shown. AND EVERYTHING!... Where did you take the rocket? Then countless interviews and only the next day stated that "the stage made a successful landing." Staged a world-class show, live broadcast. And from the ship, and from the cosmodrome, from the first stage, from the second stage, from the flight control center, from everywhere, even from the landing barge. But they showed anything, just not a live landing. What happened, who to believe?

[Vadim237]

And the landing of the first step on the barge was shown - only you seem to have looked at 9. 42 - the keen eye is probably no longer a diamond

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vadim237

They showed the first step landing on the barge - only you seem to have overlooked it at 9. 42

Specially watched the live broadcast. No landing was shown. The fact that your video is mounted later, this is not in the original. In addition, even in your version, it is not landing that is shown, but a step after landing.

[Vadim237]

"It's not in the original, edited later." At 4 hours 27 minutes Original if you are blind this is your problem.

[zlobny tatarin]

He looked through all his eyes, but did not see the landing live. Just a black screen, and then a standing step.
They make a fool of our brother, even they could not do a normal installation.

[Vadim237]

There is not any kind of montage of the entire broadcast online - finish raving.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

Yes, it already speaks about something.

[Bar1]

and the first step has returned or not. Che do not show.

[Kart]

There was a video on launch day on YouTube. There, these steps landed synchronously.
But in general, we don’t know, maybe this was a video from another launch.
They still will not say.
Well, the video itself ... The bravura voice of the announcer, in which the boastful tone of "great America" ​​simply hits through the lid. And in some places, for example, during takeoff, the sections of the steps are superimposed with enthusiastic cries of the crowd, applause of many thousands, and so on.
You expect every second that proud and strong faces will soon appear in the frame, staring at the sky against the backdrop of the American flag. Three, a woman, an African American, and a gay. And that would proud gay tear rolled for his great country.

[Dikson]

You can just take pictures from space drillers from the movie with Bruce Willis! Everything has already been shot and mounted .. :) Paphos to catch up - this is better for the Americans than ours, that's for sure ..

[Vadim237]

There are so many jambs of a technical and physical plan that only a blind person will not notice them - Hollywood is not able to make films in any other way.

[voyaka uh]

"has the first stage returned or not" ////
----
Returned, as usual. For 52 launches of Falcon-9 there were only 2-3 failures with the return
1st stage.

[zombirusrev]

Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk!

[Bar1]

Quote: voyaka uh

Returned, as usual. For 52 launches of Falcon-9 there were only 2-3 failures with the return
1st stage.

How do you know?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Insurgent

Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

All the former local "virologists" are now retrained as experts in astronautics.

[Interlocutor]

Uh-uh! The author, you ... be careful, when I pointed out such a "cyclicality" in the US space tread, they "presented" more than a hundred "negative" ones (now I will look exactly how much and I will clarify laughing) ...

If only you

[mark2]

I will add a plus for compensation. no, thanks

[parusnik]

Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair

[Insurgent]

Quote: parusnik

Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair

This one?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

This one?

No, this one.

[novel66]

immediately remembered! Kies-Kiss again stuck !!

[Moxolov]

Quote: parusnik

Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair

Well, if so .. Worse if, this capsule is not able to return to the ground, and Russia will be accused of this "As if not high-quality docking systems were sold" Again, they will impose sanctions))))

[Pvi1206]

it seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS .... apparently they did not really believe in the success of the mission ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Pvi1206

It seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS

And we can they, already getting ready to sail off, agreed with ours "on the road"? Well, it started ...

[Alex777]

NASA wants Benken and Hurley to remain aboard the ISS until the next Dragon arrives. It will take from one to three months, a maximum of 111 days, NASA reported.

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/05/31/85625-drakon-ilona-maska-otpravilsya-v-kosmos

The astronauts will spend at the station from 30 to 119 days, and then return to Earth.

https://vc.ru/future/130119-vy-nahodites-zdes-pochemu-pervyy-pilotiruemyy-zapusk-spacex-vazhen-dlya-ilona-maska-i-chto-on-budet-delat-dalshe

It is expected that two new astronauts will spend in orbit from one to four months. The duration of their stay depends on the condition of the ship - if all systems work properly, the mission will be long.

https://3dnews.ru/1012270

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pvi1206

it seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS .... apparently they did not really believe in the success of the mission ...

And now they improvise ?

[Oleg Zorin]

Dear, it is not necessary to laugh, but to be interested in the essence of the issue. At least read the NASA website https://nbbd.com/events/nasa.html in the "News" section. There and about the estimated flight duration it is said, another 30.05. Otherwise, how will they begin to perceive Petrosyan?

[hohol95]

You want to say that wreaths with mourning ribbons were also prepared with obituaries ... Just in case ... Just like that ...

[Kart]

You won’t believe it, but they usually do that. What do they have, what do we have.
This is a very dangerous process in which almost nothing can be changed since the launch of the carrier engine.

[Vadim237]

On a manned ship in the event of a carrier accident, you can start the CAC.

[Ros 56]

Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Ros 56

Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.

But "these comrades" got out. For grub they work as loaders.

[Moxolov]

Quote: Polite Elk

But "these comrades" got out. For grub they work as loaders.

To return them back to the Soyuz ...)))))

[donavi49]

They flew for 30 days, with the possibility of extension to 90. At the same time, the deadline for returning has already been announced - no later than August 28, 2020.

And this is even before the flight + in broadcast launch 10 times repeated. The author simply had nothing else to throw. So I decided so.

[military_cat]

Another interesting news related to this launch: it went so well and smoothly that NASA allowed the use of flying Dragons and returned first steps to deliver people repeatedly, although earlier, despite the reusability inherent in them, it was planned to make completely new ship and rocket for reinsurance for every new launch.

[donavi49]

Well, they would have thrown better. Well, one could write an article:
New Adventure Mask !!! Another Starship tore at the stand !!! Not a revolution, but a scam!

Or "The next Starlink satellites have been launched into orbit, astronomers are in a rage, another launch and under the" astronomlivesmatter "posters they will burn down the plant !!!"

And this is a sketch in the style of:
Why is the union not returning to earth right now, as I want ??? Probably found a hole again, they think how to seal !!!

[ccsr]

Quote: military_cat

Another interesting news related to this launch: it went so well and smoothly that NASA allowed the use of flying Dragons and returned first steps to deliver people again,

Yes, NASA doesn’t care what happens to people - the agency is not responsible for the Dragons and only washes hands, because then all the failures will be written off to the Mask. I already said earlier that after the failure with the shuttles and the death of the astronauts, the combination was most likely conceived to rid the government agency of the scandals that occurred after accidents with human casualties. That's why they so easily handed over the documentation and part of the financing to the Mask in order to stay away from failure, and at the same time maintain their structure and budget, although not in full.

[Vadim237]

Tie up with your fantasy.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

Tie up with your fantasy.

You seem to have no idea what money NASA spent on a futile program:

Actually, all the main problems of the Shuttle program lie precisely in the economic plane. And no matter how you rearrange the various components, nothing good happens. By 2010, program costs exceeded $ 200 billion, and the launch price rose to 420 million.
For comparison: manned launches of the “unions” currently cost from 50 to 100 million dollars (the exact amount is unknown, the approximate numbers have been called many times and are checked against the amounts for which the launch is insured).
The Space Shuttle program was created “on scale”. It was assumed that with a large number of launches of one shuttle, the economies of scale would work, which would reduce the cost of one launch in the long term. Alas, the work on checking, sorting and preparing space planes for the next flight turned out to be much more than the calculated ones. As a result, the cost of launches only grew. At the same time, NASA could not do anything about it. You could try to increase the number of launches by performing the simplest missions to launch spacecraft, but using the expensive Shuttle in such a situation would only worsen the situation.
As a result, a paradoxical situation arose: with an increase in launches, the prime cost of each not only did not decrease, but, on the contrary, increased.
And, comparing the money "flew off the shuttle" with those that would have been spent by the standard method, NASA management sobbed during each launch.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/warhead/proval-ili-proryv-razbiraem-proekt-space-shuttle-5e71d5e37fd03e050f50117b

[Vadim237]

What do you take as an example, the Shuttles designed and built almost 50 years ago, almost all the largest manufacturers of rocket and space industry in the USA worked on it almost from scratch, since at that time no one in the world did such spaceships of course the program will be golden - they hoped to get a cheap transport system in the hope of the massive development of space research and the construction of orbital space stations for launching large satellites into orbit. The shuttle far outstripped its time and became a model of the desired ambitions and results that did not correspond to the time in which it was created and applied.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

What do you bring Shuttles as an example

And the experience of creating new systems is universal for all types of equipment. You are probably not one of the designers, so you don’t know that they are starting to learn something from the experience of the past and what they have achieved abroad before starting something.

Quote: Vadim237

they then hoped to get a cheap transportation system in the hope of massive development of space research

And Musk expects that he will be inundated with launch orders due to the low cost of his system.

Quote: Vadim237

The shuttle far outstripped its time and became a model of the desired ambitions and results that did not correspond to the time in which it was created and applied.

He did not overtake a damn, because the reliability of the system was much less than expected, and the loss of two ships, even with a small load, put an end to the whole program. If this program were successful, then Musk would not be needed - NASA would develop this direction, and not close this project.

[Vadim237]

Mask has everything technically and economically justified in the direction and ambitions of its time - cheap start-up, return first stage, minimal costs for creation, maintenance and a compact office. And here, a large small load in the 1986th, the rubber sealing membrane was stuck and lost the sealing properties of the TTRD nozzle; because of this, it burned the accelerator mounting rod, it came off and hit the oxygen tank due to this Shuttle and died. After this accident, the turbojet engine was redone. Colombia died in 2003 when it left the orbit due to damage to the heat-shielding coating caused by the fall of the oxygen-hydrogen tank at the start of the thermal insulation. Reliability would have been much higher, but the government was greedy for the titanium case and the very numerous corporations that created the Shuttle lifted up the price for everything else, and it turned out to be an expensive unreliable and difficult to maintain USSR, in fact, they stepped on the same rake, though the Buran case was not made of aluminum alloy a from scandium but at the same time installed it on a complex and expensive rocket. NASA turned to a private office that already launched its Falcon 1 rockets and did not fail. Musk and his team created a simple and cheap rocket with a reusable first stage for not much money, as well as a reusable cargo ship on which they worked out thermal protection control and much more in 19 starts to the ISS and touchdowns, all that is now used on Dragon 2.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

Mask has everything technically and economically justified in the direction and ambitions of his time

So far these are all words, but it is necessary to judge after several years of operation, carefully calculating all the costs, including the lost media.

Quote: Vadim237

Moreover, there is a large small load

Because it is under heavy load that reusable systems become cost-effective and outperform single-use systems.

Quote: Vadim237

NASA turned to a private office that already launched its Falcon 1 rockets and did not fail

They generally faced redundancies and responsibilities to various commissions that looked for reasons for shuttle failures in order to cut costs for NASA. That is why they "found" a non-specialist Musk, so as not to suffer themselves later and created an advertisement for him.

[Vadim237]

All this works in practice and removes loads, and it’s cheap because the stage is used several times and this significant savings in service costs can not be compared with the cost of producing a new stage - already two stages have brought the payload five times each. Now the scheme of returning the first steps is used and will be used in all private offices because it is really effective that these guys know how to count money, do not consider them fools.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

All this works in practice and displays loads and it’s cheap.

And why then shuttle shut down forever?

Quote: Vadim237

Now the scheme of the returned first steps is used and will be used in all private offices

Two or three accidents will shake your confidence, as well as the sponsors of the Mask.

Quote: Vadim237

these guys know how to count money; do not consider them fools.

We have already heard this with shuttles, with invisible fighters and other projects of the Americans. True, for nine years they could not send their astronauts into orbit without us, and our engines are still read the best.

[silverwolf88]

Nevertheless, it is interesting to deal with this case ...
Either this is an experimental flight and additional checks are required (and during the experiment all sorts of if ... then return in June ... July ... BUT no later than XX) this is one topic and it is quite understandable ...
Because any delay is the station’s resources (of course, with a margin but you need to calculate it) plus changing the configuration and mass of the station ... you’ll probably need to spend fuel on maintaining / correcting the orbit ... that’s why different speculations are born ...
Let's see ... August is coming ...

[donavi49]

Well, so they closed flight testing and docking. Now they need to spend at least 20-30 days in space to check the condition of the ship in a long stay in orbit, how the systems behave, are there any failures in the test switches to the autonomous system after say 20 days of work from the ISS?

All this needs to be tested.

The crew (demo 2) is prepared specifically for work with the ship. On the ISS it will be attracted to a limited extent (well, by the type of unloading a truck, collecting garbage and waste and loading a truck from orbit, etc.)

A real crew with real experimentation and a scientific program is the next USCV-1. Probably autumn 2020. If this goes well. And he flies for six months by the way.

[Captain45]

Quote: donavi49

On the ISS it will be attracted to a limited extent (well, by the type of unloading a truck, collecting garbage and waste and loading a truck from orbit, etc.)

As in a joke about a Chukchi astronaut and a monkey. In the Chukche instructions: "Feed the monkey and don't touch anything!"

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Captain45

In the Chukche instructions: "Feed the monkey and don't touch anything!"

This is about the Vietnamese astronaut. Journalists ask him: "What are your hands so red?" "My Russian comrades beat me all the time and said: Don't touch this button, don't pull this lever ...."

[Blackmokona]

The author simply carries nonsense and gag.
An extension of the mission has long been planned. Since Starliner crap one's pants for himself.
Allegedly Russian components and the Russian docking adapter.
This is an IDA adapter assembled by a Boeing and installed on the ISS, which is part of the ISS, not the ship. And from Russian on this adapter, a metal base. Like an iron box for your computer on which everything is already hung.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Like an iron box for your computer on which everything is already hung.

According to Syromyatnikov’s recollections, the idea of ​​APAS, an androgynous-peripheral docking unit, appeared among ours because Americans really didn’t want to be ... a mother.

[Avior]

What they do is understandable.
They check how the ship behaves after a long stay in space and how long it can be there, while maintaining operability.
What the new arrivals do is also understandable.
Engaged in the first place -
Constantly checking and testing the ship’s systems to catch the slightest changes that occur with the ship in space.
they checked the ship and flew, in fact.
And they could not indicate the exact time in advance; they will return as they detect changes in the condition of the ship, which are not necessarily critical.
Maybe the situation is the other way around - they will see that being in space on the ship does not affect and can be returned after a successful check.
But NASA must check how long the ship can be in space without problems, being docked to the station, this is a common test of new technology.

[eklmn]

“Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.”
Nah, well, if the Russian toilet is clogged, then they will quickly return !!!
NASA first said 14 days, but after checking Dragon, it said 119 days.

[knn54]

The unreliability of rescue engines of the descent vehicle?

[dzvero]

Yes, nope ... everything is super-duper (s) reliable. The members of the forum just jinxed them - they wrote that takeoff was only half the battle. Although mysticism is not the case; maybe they just didn't pour it on the road, so they don't leave ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo Crew Dragon spacecraft from Space X, who was asked to linger in orbit

Well, and for what reason?

[rocket757]

All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.

Let's wait with .... we have something to do with that. I hope the resources are up there, they will have enough ... or another "dragan" will be driven up.

[hohol95]

They know how to brew coffee ...
"May's mom makes coffee ... Maybe we'll wait for my mom ..." There was such a song for a singer named Igorok!

[Free wind]

The name of the ship, as you certainly know, is translated as, dragon crew. Therefore, the phrase: and you, Dragon Crew, I will ask you to stay, it sounds quite in Russian. But the crew, the Dragon Crew, sounds strange. For all dictionaries, this translates as, dragon crew, though there is another translation, but I won’t write it.

[Free wind]

The first letter in this word is C, not G. Therefore, "Dragon's crew" and not "Gray Dragon". I didn't want to offend the fans of a certain Sasha Gray.

[KVU-NSVD]

Is the Maskophile Sabbath Over? Does the maskophobia parade begin? Also an interesting sight ... But if the truth is with the Dragon problems? And if unsolvable? So how now to unload this crowd from the ISS?

[donavi49]

This is the problem's author - the initial mission of 30 days to the ISS (not from the start), extension to 90.
Douglas Hurley and Robert Behnken will work alongside the crew of Expedition 63 for 30 to 90 days,meaning landing of the spacecraft will occur no later than August 28, 2020.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

And if unsolvable? So how now to unload this crowd from the ISS?

Let them sit, they threw grub on the Japanese "wagon", they won't die of hunger.

[Genry]

Quote: tihonmarine

Let them sit, they threw grub on the Japanese "wagon", they won't die of hunger.

A toilet will not break? Can the waste processing and recovery unit (toilet) cope?

[Captain45]

Quote: Genry

A toilet will not break? Can the waste processing and recovery unit (toilet) cope?

Yes, on the drum .... After the last toilet accident, there was an agreement on the ISS - each one shits in his own pot and the rest do not go to the Russian side of the ISS.

[hohol95]

We will wait ... The month of August. And we'll see.

[donavi49]

Well, if a Boeing flew, then he would hang out there ~ 30 days. On the one hand, overtake the Mask in their competition, on the other hand, it will adapt to the ISS schedule (it would be loaded onto the track).

A new re-mission, since it did not work outrun the mask, will last 8-12 days.

But then Boe-CFT - with these guys flies to the ISS immediately for six months. Bite Mask with no more than 3 months for 2 people . However, Musk by that time according to the plan will launch 4 people for half a year too.

And their spacesuits

[hohol95]

Yes, the flag in their hands! Fly congratulations! Do not fly - we will sympathize!
And if in such a spacesuit they also go into outer space. All of the Order.

[Insurgent]

Quote: hohol95

And if in such a spacesuit they also go into outer space. All of the Order.

Posthumously ?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: donavi49

On the one hand, overtake the Mask in their competition, on the other hand, it will adapt to the ISS schedule (it would be loaded onto the track).

Well, if there is only one docking complex on the ISS, then Musk may not want to undock his Dragon. Prevents Boeing from taking a place at the ISS.

[hagen]

Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight. His "trampolines" hurt American partners so much,

There is a suspicion that Musk's "trampoline" served as an accelerator for the signing of a contract between the Ministry of Defense and the Khrunichev Center for the Angara launch vehicle ... Still, it was necessary to give a kick .... to accelerate the thought process.

[Interlocutor]

Still, it was necessary to give a kick .... to give acceleration to the process of thought.

It should always be given and as a rule to everyone

[slipped]

Quote: Hagen

There is a suspicion that Musk's "trampoline" served as an accelerator for the signing of a contract between the Ministry of Defense and the Khrunichev Center for the Angara launch vehicle ...

It is not necessary to produce entities where they are not. The reason is different. By the way, under this contract, the cost of one A5, taking into account delivery and preparation in equivalent, is ~ $ 64 million.

[hagen]

Quote: slipped

It is not necessary to produce entities where they are not. The reason is different.

And called the reason? Your attempts to mow under the philosopher are somewhat presumptuous. The coincidence of these two events, the flight of the dragon and the contract, may be completely accidental, although there is no doubt that they both moved along the parallel paths for quite a long time. You don’t disclose the reason, but it is understandable anyway - the desire to push financing, and therefore, the practical implementation of some of the major defense industry projects (this contract is not the only one, there are several of them). And, most likely, the decision was made at a higher level than the Russian Defense Ministry. Obviously, there are tendencies to complications in these areas.

[slipped]

Quote: Hagen

[Your attempts to mow under the philosopher are somewhat presumptuous. The coincidence of these two events, the flight of the dragon and the contract, can be completely accidental, although there is no doubt that they both moved along parallel paths for quite a long time.

To me, your desire to at least somehow explain the events occurring in our RKO by the flight of not our Dragon is understandable. The crow experienced something similar in one famous fable.

Quote: Hagen

You don’t disclose the reason, but it is understandable anyway - the desire to push financing, and therefore, the practical implementation of some of the major defense industry projects (this contract is not the only one, there are several of them).

See, however, that this has nothing to do with the flight of the Dragon. Our MO just wants to switch to a new type of carrier in time.

[Break through]

That's great. Let them fly on their ships now, and we on our own.

[Maks1995]

A blank article.
We gloated, listed the rumors, reminded us that they didn’t go down and that’s all.

Specificity, konkpetika where?

[olhon]

As they say, Smiled. All with Friday!

[Roman123567]

Patriotism is still a disease ..))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They didn’t listen to D. Rogozin in vain. Would buy a trampoline, it would be cheaper and calmer. But in any case, I’m glad for the minke whales.

[Pushkar]

The article is an empty chatter with attempts at irony.

[Dimka75]

The author is "slightly intoxicated ..."
Ps. Do not write on the Internet in this condition, especially on Friday.

[U-58]

Today is Friday, the 5th, not the 13th. And even more so, not on April 1.
So the author’s playful tone somehow doesn’t carry away ...

[DVR]

Thank you, cheered up)

[1536]

This is how the new Hollywood movie is seen: America's best minds are struggling to return the spacecraft from the ISS to earth. After all, it is clear that having docked with the help of some "antediluvian" Russian system, and even the jackhammers of a well-known American company had to be used in order to somehow start it, now there are problems with undocking the most advanced compressor station in the history of mankind. Astronauts cannot abandon their spacecraft and land on the Russian Soyuz, much less in the cargo hold of a Japanese spacecraft. Of course, according to tradition, they invite a famous oilman (for this role it’s better to take some unknown artist, but white (by color, of course), which is waiting for when in his native Texas it will be possible to print his own shale oil well to pump oil from the ground, and in parallel receive $ 100 directly from the sky for each pumped barrel. With nothing to do, he beats his slut wife for a spilled coffee, caresses a shaggy mutt dog, his favorite, and drinks whiskey in a local saloon. "What to do?" - Ask the oilman’s comrade the functionaries from NASA (all-black Americans), who finally found the honored savior of American technology. "Better tell me who is to blame ?!" he answers thoughtfully. "You don't love this country!" - they say to him, without specifying which one (well, if M. Freeman can be attracted for this statement). "Yes, I will give my life for this country." - the guy answers. - "Go!" At the end of the film, everyone returns to Earth, our oilman falls in love with the daughter of the US president, she reciprocates, and his slut wife, meanwhile, flees to Mexico to the local drug dealer, who turned out to be her old lover, and dies at the hands of local police. Everyone is happy and alive. The path to the stars is free. Hooray, comrades!

[Oleg Zorin]

Read at least NASA press releases. There is also about the estimated duration of the flight and much more unknown to the author of the article. But the script turned out to be quite good. Feel free to send to Hollywood. Just do not mess with American translators, they will inflate you with volume like Poplar in due time.

[gvozdan]

The classic scheme, put a private person responsible for everything, and in case of failure, throw him to eat the crowd

[Boris63]

Here, of course, it turns out interesting ... Since the dragon is delayed, then these friends too. Is there enough food for everyone? The exceptional have their own food. And then the question comes up, if the United States does not have enough food for its own, it is necessary to send a truck. How many docking points does the American segment have ...? And you may get an option, even if not a trampoline, but again they will bow to us ... "Take some food for our pilots."

[donavi49]

There, the insects are stocked up a year in advance. After the event that Progress + Dragon in 2015 simultaneously decided to replenish the ocean grouping, the food reserves on the ISS were increased significantly.

Plus, I repeat, the planned calculation is a 30-90 days mission. They didn’t even choose the minimum norm, and if they return now, then this is just an emergency.

There are enough docking nodes there. Next to the Dragon - 6t barrel Kounotori unloaded and loaded with garbage. 6t = 3 Progress at a time.

Now on the ISS - Progress 14 and County. In July, 15 Progress flies, followed by 14 Swan.

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

Now on the ISS - Progress 14 and County. In July, 15 Progress flies, followed by 14 Swan.

The names of the ships you brought disorient, you can take for the numbers of starts. More correct is Progress MS-14 and Progress MS-15 and CyAres NG-14 Cygnus, or, in the western classification, Progress - 75, Progress - 76 and NG-14.

MS-14 unloading also continues

[Anton Sokolov]

so it was immediately said that the Dragon will stay in orbit for 1 to 4 months ..

[pytar]

When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

The author clearly did not follow the statements of NASA and SpaceX. From the very beginning of the flight, they said that the Crew Dragon will remain in orbit for an indefinite period, limited only by the state of degradation of solar cells.
Usually they have special radiation protection, which allows them to work for a year, but since the Dragon’s first flight from the crew to the sides is a test one, they put ordinary batteries with a limited lifetime.
Here is the opinion of the Russian astronomer Surdin about SpaceX, Ilon Mask, the colonization of Mars and extraterrestrial life. Fairly objective and unbiased in my opinion.

[vadimtt]

SB without a protective coating - it was just somewhere overweight and squeezed into the right mass with batteries of small blood. All subsequent flights will be with normal Sat, gravity is found and correctly resolved.
The most interesting thing is that it is on a ship in 4 official (certified) places or 7 unofficial. Somewhere they missed the calculations that they had to apply such measures

[pytar]

SB without a protective coating - it was just somewhere overweight and squeezed into the right mass with batteries of small blood.

Most likely saved. Elon Musk knows how to count money. After all, the flight is testable. It makes no sense to put expensive SB living 2 years if the flight will be no more than 3 months. And for such a period, ordinary SBs are quite enough. Then they will put with a protective UF - coating.

The most interesting thing is that it is on a ship in 4 official (certified) places or 7 unofficial. Somewhere they missed the calculations that they had to apply such measures

As far as I listened to the messages from Spasseks, 4 places, only in flights with NASA crews. Due to insurance cost considerations. Astronauts insure crazy money. And so, in flights with tourists or with astronauts from other countries, there will be 7 ro.

[borberd]

I don’t know where the author got the info about that Dragon was supposed to return in a couple of days? Initially, before takeoff, it was said about 3 months. And more interestingly, who was supposed to unload the Japanese truck, aliens chtol?

[Sova]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Carte

Resubmitted in orbit.

Choose the safest place

Well, yes, it’s not calm in the USA, still getting on your knees to get up and ask for forgiveness.

[Tims]

Notes of the Crazy Patriot

[Rusfaner]

Can't the Hurley stay? They are fed, they are not driven into the street.
Well, maybe there is some kind of wiring that has decayed or the locks of the docking unit have bitten ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Ehh, I scooped up a bunch of minuses for such sarcasm ...

Not that the minuses hurt me, but rather the mental development of the minusers, the furious Mask fans who cannot eat without the help of American astronautics)

[Dargavs]

Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

Another thing is interesting, I haven’t seen it anywhere: return modules have already flown earlier and will these modules fly next time?

[Ilya_Nsk]

In fact, once every forty years. The shuttle took off in 1981. But we are still every 60 years, and every year this period is growing (modernization does not count). So this tone of the article is somewhat inappropriate. But 25 billion rubles are allocated for the new building of Roscosmos.

[Oleg Zorin]

The crew faces are suspiciously pleased. I don’t know what the Americans were unloading from and from which module, but it seems that until it ends, they will not part. Fit well!

[Old26]

The article is more like a banter, not a review. What is only the phrase of the author

When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.

But what is easier. go to the right resource and read that the landing is planned for August 28, 2020.

[Oleg Zorin]

More precisely - no later than August 28, 2020

[Vadim237]

Instead of this garbage sucked out of your finger, the author would have brought this news under the heading "Let's talk about science"
A group of physicists from the Ural Federal University, the Institute of Metal Physics (IPM) of the Ural Branch of the RAS and the Institute of Materials Science named after Leibniz (Bremen, Germany) for the first time in the world synthesized with the help of 3D printing permanent magnets with high coercive force without the use of heavy rare-earth metals. The breakthrough work of Ural and German scientists paves the way to obtaining effective permanent magnets of any given geometric shape using additive technologies. Researchers published an article on experiments and their results in the prestigious journal Acta Materialia.

“We have achieved an almost twofold increase in the coercive force of magnets. Today it is the best result in the world for additive technologies for the production of permanent magnets. The absolute value of the coercivity of our magnets is more than a third higher compared to world analogues. In this case, it is fundamentally important that alloy infiltration into grain boundaries occurs simultaneously with 3D printing of magnets. A one-step synthesis of magnets using additive technologies was performed for the first time, ”emphasizes Aleksey Volegov, senior lecturer at the Department of Magnetism and Magnetic Nanomaterials, senior researcher at the Department of Solid State Magnetism of the Ural Federal University and the Laboratory of Magnetism and Magnetic Nanostructures of the IPM UB RAS.

Now research scientists are laboratory, experimental in nature. Work, including on increasing the coercive force of microcrystalline magnets, is ongoing. The goal is a cost-effective serial 3D production of permanent magnets with a high coercive force and a diverse configuration without the use of heavy rare-earth elements.

The basis for the manufacture of magnets (in this case, laser sintering) were powders from a nanocrystalline alloy of neodymium, iron and boron. Its advantages are that magnets from this alloy are capable of storing more “magnetic” energy at room temperature than any other type of magnets, and also do not contain expensive cobalt, which is used in lithium-ion batteries. In addition, the necessary compound having high magnetic characteristics can be obtained relatively easily, and the material based on it has a sufficiently high coercive force, that is, it is able to maintain a magnetized state when they try to magnetize it.

At the same time, the Curie point of the main magnetically solid phase is relatively low: at temperatures above 310 ° C, the material passes from the ferromagnetic state to the paramagnetic state. In other words, it loses spontaneous magnetization, turning magnetically into a "piece of wood." Therefore, temperature above room temperature leads to the fact that the magnetic properties of the substance quickly degrade. This reduces the efficiency and torque of motors that use such magnets.

Usually this problem is solved by replacing neodymium with heavy rare-earth metals - dysprosium and terbium, and iron with cobalt. But both approaches lead to a decrease in the magnetization of the magnet material and to a rise in the cost of production, which complicates their application. Therefore, physicists of UrFU, on the one hand, used a highly coercive material based on a neodymium compound, and on the other, they set the task to increase its coercive force without resorting to heavy rare-earth metals. The solution was to reduce intergranular exchange interaction.

“We used a powdery alloy based on neodymium of two types: nanocrystalline with a grain size of 25 nanometers and microcrystalline with a grain size of 450 nanometers. In fact, annealing the nanocrystalline alloy at a temperature of 1 ° C for half an hour, we grew crystallites with an average size of 000 nm. The exchange interaction of these grains and the state of the boundary between them determine the hysteretic magnetic properties of the alloys. On the one hand, intergranular interaction allows in some cases to increase the residual magnetization and reduce the content of rare earth metals, on the other hand, it reduces the coercive force. We sought to weaken the intergranular interaction by changing the border between the grains, ”says Alexey Volegov.

To do this, the researchers introduced into the nanocrystalline and microcrystalline neodymium alloys a eutectic alloy based on rare-earth metals, neodymium and cobalt, milled and brought to a liquid state by laser heating. It is known that these alloys easily diffuse along the grain boundary. Such an operation leads to lower magnetization values; therefore, the content of the introduced alloy in the mixture was minimized to 20%.

First, the eutectic alloy bound magnetic particles so that a single permanent magnet is formed from individual particles of a neodymium alloy. Secondly, by filling and expanding the border between the grains, he reduced the intergrain interaction. It was found that the coercivity of nanocrystalline magnets is 1,7 times greater than that of microcrystalline magnets.

We add the research of UrFU scientists and their colleagues from the Institute of Materials Science named after Leibniz is supported by grants from the Ministry of Science and Higher Education of the Russian Federation and the German Science Foundation.

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Permanent magnets are products made of hard magnetic materials that can maintain a state of magnetization for a long time. They are used as autonomous sources of a magnetic field, for converting mechanical energy into electrical energy and vice versa. Areas of application of permanent magnets - robotics, magnetic resonance imaging, production of wind generators, DC motors, mobile phones, high-quality speakers, household appliances (air conditioners, refrigerators, freezers, cooker hoods), computer hard drives, etc. The use of permanent magnets allows reduce the dimensions of products and increase their efficiency.

The development of energy and robotics, the miniaturization of high-tech devices, electric and hybrid vehicles require an annual increase in the production of permanent magnets and at the same time improve their magnetic properties. Increasing coercive force is the most important task when modifying permanent magnets.

UrFU is one of the leading universities in Russia and a participant in the 5-100 project, marks the 2020th century in 2023. The university is located in Yekaterinburg - the capital of the World Student Games of XNUMX. UrFU initiates the creation and performs the functions of the project office of the Ural Interregional Scientific and Educational Center of World Level (REC), which is designed to solve the problems of the national project "Science".

[Hog]

Instead of this garbage sucked out of your finger, the author would have brought this news under the heading "Let's talk about science"

So it’s not interesting, they need hype.

[Mikle2000]

Of course, you can strangle, but just as Falcon-9 closed the niche of commercial launches for protons, so the dragon closes the niche of launches for unions. Of course, Russia will continue to let its cargoes and its astronauts, but there is no longer any service to others.
As for the terms of stay, everything is simple - they want to fly longer, but are not sure about the capabilities of the ship. Test flight.

[Foxmara]

Damn, here .. calculate the cost of starting a dragon and a union. Despite the fact that there will not be a full load in places. There are many times the cost in our favor

[Oleg Zorin]

Why did the author write this article, a mixture of unprofessional campaigning and false information?

[Fungus]

The author of the trolls of Americans lovers simply

[Hog]

I don’t understand such a stir around the launch of the Dragon, you’re jealous of something, they started and started.
PS: I hope for my pension and the Federation will be launched.

[Plastmaster]

I think I answered your questions? [/ Quote]
If this is true and true for the nasa money from using our knowledge, then good. But when will we see these devents in action? It is not a sin to raise prices so that they fly on their own.

[Shuttle]

In my opinion everything is simple. NASA does not want to lower its astronauts on the Crew Dragon. Maybe they want to plant this pepelats in automatic mode after sending the Terpigors back on something more reliable. I won’t be surprised if Hurley and Benken come down first (maybe even separately), and then the Manned Dragon, hehe ...

[Foxmara]

I'll tell you what's the matter. Remember, they wrote that the Americans tried to open the "door" for three hours, I think they cannot close it now. No matter how you have to drown the dragon together with the ISS when it flies away .. and if the dragon is not yet designed for such a long service life ... This already threatens the station itself with serious problems. In general, let's hope that the most high-tech power will cope with the quest and close the door behind itself

[nnz226]

The problem is not only to take off ("Challenger"), but also to return ("Columbia")! Take off took off, and it's scary to return! It's like in the mountains: the ascent is easier than the descent ...

[Vadim237]

The heat shield has been worked out more than a hundred times on the cargo Dragon on the ground and 19 times in flights on the ISS, Dragon 2 does not have rubber seals and turbojet engines which caused the death of Chelenjeder and also the falling off thermal insulation of the oxygen tank at the start which led to the death of Colombia during the descent into dense layers of the atmosphere. Yes, and the body of the Dragon 2 is made of titanium alloy, unlike the same Shuttles in which it was made of aluminum.

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Quote: Vadim237

The heat shield has been worked out more than a hundred times on the cargo Dragon on the ground and 19 times in flights on the ISS, Dragon 2 does not have rubber seals and turbojet engines which caused the death of Chelenjeder and also the falling off thermal insulation of the oxygen tank at the start which led to the death of Colombia during the descent into dense layers of the atmosphere. Yes, and the body of the Dragon 2 is made of titanium alloy, unlike the same Shuttles in which it was made of aluminum.

For some reason, I remembered the phrase about the return of the last Apollo: "And then they all almost drowned, before that inhaling toxic gas." Black humor like that.

[Andrey Komkov]

But he has full tanks of high-boiling components for SuperDrago, which NASA has forbidden to use for landing, leaving only the parachute system. And there is the case of the first Crew Dragon, burnt on the sides after landing, which then pulled very spectacularly in preparation for the restart. This is when you consider that the first one just sat on the engines, using all the fuel from the tanks. And the second one with people will be landing on a parachute system with full tanks of high boiling muck.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It's like in the mountains: the ascent is easier than the descent .... the ascent to the mountains is fraught with the unexpected. therefore motivated. and the descent. So . tyagomotin

[ccsr]

Quote: nnz226

The problem is not only to take off ("Challenger"), but also to return ("Columbia")! Take off took off, and it's scary to return!

By the way, now after these problems, it is not bad to remember how the Americans "easily" landed and took off from the Moon, and returned to Earth several times without an accident. Smart people immediately understood why the Americans suddenly "remembered" about the difficulties - obviously they themselves are afraid of failure with the first docking of the Musk ship, so they began to "lay straws" in advance.

[Vadim237]

Dragon 2 previously docked with the ISS in the first without a pilot flight - there were no problems with either docking, undocking, or landing - splashdown, and the cargo Dragon docked 19 times using a grab and undocked in the same way. All this has already been worked out.

[Andrey Komkov]

And who then exploded already on earth?

[Cosmonaut TV]

https://youtu.be/2CaoVPgAl1o вот интересная информация

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: military_cat

Previously, with the phrase "yes, they can't even launch a person," they brushed aside everything: from the fact that American vehicles roll on Mars, but Roscosmos does not; that the Americans have a super-heavy rocket, while Roscosmos does not; that the Americans learned to return the stages, while Roskosmos did not, that the Americans were able to make reusable ships of a new generation, and Roskosmos did not, that the Americans made the first ever engine with full gasification of components to come off the ground, but Roscosmos did not. Now these questions stand up to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that it does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for their own inability to work normally.

The hero of capitalist labor, Comrade Ilon, as before Mongolia on four-wheelers.
Having reached the USSR record of 1961 with the launch of people, the recipient of an unlimited dough, for promises. Have you bought a ticket to Mars yet? Or not 200 thousand green ones? Tell me the address, I will spit you SMS from retirement. I look forward to when all his idolaters get together and fly away to hell. To Mars. One way. In the name of his idol.

[Vadim237]

You can’t ironize his payload for missiles, by third-party customers, 11500 Internet communication satellites have already launched more than 500 of his offices, this year he can celebrate the hundredth launch of his rocket - and you can not compare one office for 7000 people and all the time the USSR payload launches since 1957, a million people worked for the space industry; as well as Russian launches in the space industry, 240000 people work and hundreds of billions of rubles a year. This is how the Russian private office appears, launching a payload - then we will compare ours with SpaceX and other American offices, but it’s very difficult for our team to keep up with competitors. And manned flights to Mars will be monitored by the whole globe - and you will continue to rave that Musk and other crooks are crooks and so on than you and yours have been doing for 10 years already. Good luck in monkey labor.

[Andrey Komkov]

Yeah, astronauts are already sounding the alarm about his pile of satellites. Littering, you know, space. Especially considering that Musk does not disclose the dual purpose of these satellites. What for? Or did the Pentagon just fund this program? Not directly, of course, otherwise the ears of the military would stick out too clearly from the mask's "free Internet for everyone."

[Brancodd]

Statistics for 2019
In 2019, EKA completed 9 starts, including 1 emergency.
Roscosmos -25 (all trouble-free).
The United States has 21.
China - 34 (2 emergency).
Such is the efficiency in comparison.
The period without emergency launches of Roscosmos is 1 year and 8 months. In total - 35. This is a record for the entire post-Soviet period.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

Why did the author write this article, a mixture of unprofessional campaigning and false information?

Authentic here. From the first person, you can muzzle.

[iouris]

Quote: "An exclusively American, private, independent and competitive spacecraft" End of quote.
What is your evidence? Musk is a screen behind government structure and funding. This is roughly how the USSR national hockey team is considered "amateurs".
In addition, the ship has not yet returned (successfully). I don’t hint at anything, but still, for the purity of the experiment, you have to wait until the number of starts exceeds (at least) thirty-three (statistics!).

[Brancodd]

An emergency rescue operation is urgently needed. Need Starship2

or more reliable the original version of StarShip1

[Grigory_78]

Quote: Vadim237

His return was generally originally calculated for August.

For august? Well, let it be August. And what year, if not secret?

[Vadim237]

Here they will tell in more detail

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the main thing is that there are Russians with stripes there. we are good and share food reserves. but the main thing is healthy competition. but there isn’t yet

[Vadim237]

Considering that a Japanese truck with six tons of cargo docked at the station and even brought something to the Dragon bot with food, no one would have any problems there.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

A Japanese truck with six tons of cargo, and they brought something to the Dragon bot themselves, no one will have problems there ............ but this should be alarming, because in Japan the main ration is seafood . and as you know, a station like Fukushima still pours 10 tons of radioactive g ... into the ocean and seafood is already allowed only 1000 miles from the eastern coastline, and on the western coast the Sea of ​​Japan is not at all literal, so .... a rhetorical question about Japanese cargo. it’s easier for Russians to ask for reliable nutrition

[kutuz]

"so hurt American partners" - nonsense! The American partners sneezed at Dmitry Rogozin along with these trampolines.

[EVDmitri]

And if Musk and NASA hold a pause for the Moscow Art Theater? ;) Then all of a sudden they shut up, let them fly!

[Boratsagdiev]

It turned out to be “more and more sad.”
Of course, I knew about the “secret cooperation” between NASA and Roscosmos, but...
1. The docking module on the baby dragon turned out to be Russian (Energy did).
2. The software used for docking is converted from the old Soyuz (transferred free of charge by Roscosmos).
3. The vaunted three-way communication has disappeared. We worked through the control center.
4. The required orbit was not “selected”. We had to adjust and change the ISS orbit.
5. “Oddities” in the video report with the landing of the step.
6. Fashionable and beautiful touchpads turned out to be very inconvenient for docking.
Finally, watch the full report in the original (although it’s long and languages ​​are needed), you can hear a lot of interesting things.

[Andrey Komkov]

Regarding the correction of the ISS orbit - where does the info come from? To correct this much, the power of one Progress ms14 is not enough.

[Boratsagdiev]

Listen to our crew's conversations.
For a small correction, the station and its own engines are enough, and considering that there is always something docked to it that can help with its engines.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Vadim237

You can’t ironize his payload for missiles, by third-party customers, 11500 Internet communication satellites have already launched more than 500 of his offices, this year he can celebrate the hundredth launch of his rocket - and you can not compare one office for 7000 people and all the time the USSR payload launches since 1957, a million people worked for the space industry; as well as Russian launches in the space industry, 240000 people work and hundreds of billions of rubles a year. This is how the Russian private office appears, launching a payload - then we will compare ours with SpaceX and other American offices, but it’s very difficult for our team to keep up with competitors. And manned flights to Mars will be monitored by the whole globe - and you will continue to rave that Musk and other crooks are crooks and so on than you and yours have been doing for 10 years already. Good luck in monkey labor.

I’ve already lost my mind telling stupid ignoramuses how Musk’s production differs from ours. Musk rents everything and works under contracts with contractors. Its production is practically assembly only. Capitalism does not care about production workers, and does not build them houses, infrastructure, sewerage or water supply. There is no registration there, and everyone can live either in cardboard boxes or in trailers. The USSR, having the entire economic structure on its back, did not build a factory for the production of motorcycles or cars, but cities. These are both the advantages and disadvantages of the system. On the one hand, it seems that medicine is free, and everyone has a place to live. But it's expensive and time-consuming. Honda built himself a factory in 9 months. From the first bucket in the foundation to the first motorcycle off the assembly line. The current situation with the coronavirus clearly shows where these perfect managers have galloped off to. Roscosmos makes not only Protons, but also launch complexes. It builds railway roads to them, serves the same Baikonurs. If you still don’t understand, then you better go and shoot yourself. You can't live like a fool like that.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: iogseb

Quote: vkd.dvk

USSR, having on its hump

I don’t know which crevice you crawled out of or which den you slept in, but the USSR has been gone for 29 years.
Maybe you are not aware, but on planet Earth there are 29 years, this is quite a decent amount of time. More than 1 generation.

Quote: vkd.dvk

The current situation with the coronavirus clearly shows where these perfect managers have galloped off to.

Who does it show to?
You?
And where did they “gallop off” to?
It dazzles in your eyes.

You are sitting in a den. After the collapse of the USSR, we did not have all the production areas left. There was no money for restoration, new construction, or transportation to Russia of what was left THERE. Low prices in the USSR for raw materials (gas cost 4 kopecks per cubic meter) created a situation where there was no need to save them, and we got to the point where we spent 5 times more energy per unit of production, and 10 times more raw materials . At such prices, gasification of the country was not carried out at all. The Ural car, only ours burned 92 grade gasoline, 90 liters per 100 km. Making the engine economical? For what? You'll go crazy ten times, and the effect can be put in your jacket pocket. Why? Yes, because gasoline was cheaper than soda.
A ton of steel sheet is 7 rubles. Yes, where has it been seen that while we are smelting steel 5 times more than Americans, making tractors three times more than Americans, we can only eat bread with corn? The boundaries protecting this coal production, low prices, have collapsed. And we found ourselves defenseless and being taken away by everyone. Estonia has become the second country in the world to export copper.
Where does this copper come from? Guess it ten times.
EVERYTHING stopped. Who restored at least part of what was lost? What has changed all this time? NOTHING. The housing and communal services industry is ruining trillions, but it does not work and will never work. We don't produce anything of our own. We take the money we earn into savings funds for our enemies. This is how we fight inflation. Our prices are limited not by competition or a progressive tax scale, but by the lack of money among the population. If you don't understand a damn thing about this, shut up and don't come out of your nook. So, can you tell me what has changed for the better?

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: iogseb

Quote: vkd.dvk

USSR, having on its hump

I don’t know which crevice you crawled out of or which den you slept in, but the USSR has been gone for 29 years.
Maybe you are not aware, but on planet Earth there are 29 years, this is quite a decent amount of time. More than 1 generation.

Quote: vkd.dvk

The current situation with the coronavirus clearly shows where these perfect managers have galloped off to.

Who does it show to?
You?
And where did they “gallop off” to?
It dazzles in your eyes.

The most advanced economic system. The most effective, it ruins its citizens, as if on an assembly line.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: iogseb

Do you seriously believe all these numbers?

Only a number can kill a number. Not stupid questions.
Come on, yours. Let's compare.
I took it from here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Did you notice the resource domain? This is not a Russian thing; if the Americans are lying, then I’m lying too. And the calculations were not made by a Russian program either. It's called EXCEL. She also draws graphics.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: iogseb

How can you argue about something you don’t have reliable data about?

Let's not use verbiage, but show reliable data. Otherwise, you are a liar. And even standing next to you is shameful.

[strelokmira]

Crew Dragon will remain in low-Earth orbit for one to four months, depending on the condition of Crew Dragon's solar panels, after which the astronauts must return to Earth

https://lenta.ru/brief/2020/05/30/crewdragon/

With Dragon, VO turns into some kind of fake news

[Nitochkin]

Where is the link to official sources?
When search engines ask about postponing the launch of the Crew Dragon, they only return this article from Alyosha Volodin. And on different resources. It looks a lot like a throw-in.

[ak1978]

I'm reading the "Space News" magazine for May 11 - i.e. even before the flight. Literally: "The exact length of the mission has yet to be determined." I'm translating. This is the FIRST time we've launched new technology with people on board, but we have absolutely no plans to bring it back. Fabulous! Following the logic, you need to check all systems in all modes as quickly as possible. Suddenly, where is the jamb? But instead, by May 11 - the quote "Shotwell said one of the final test of Mark 3 parachute system for Crew Dragon was slate for later in the day." Let me remind you that the flight was originally planned for May 26. The device is already assembled. And at the same time we are conducting a test of the PARACHUTE SYSTEM. Guys. Let's be honest. There is no way to describe what is happening except as a rush and sloppiness. We see this regularly when a project deadline arrives and there are still a lot of shortcomings. Next - information for armchair analysts: "The maximum length is 119 days, driven by the projected degradation of the solar panels on the Crew Dragon spacecraft." And then my jaw dropped. What about Solar City?!!! Or the Chinese slipped the genius of all times and peoples substandard panels. Next, a song is sung about the fact that it is impossible to return until the next Crew Dragon is ready: “What we would like to do, ..., is to keep them on orbit as long as we can until Crew-1 vehicle os just about ready to go..." - Captain America-level planning. The word “would” was especially satisfying. I wonder how much this show actually cost and is still costing American taxpayers, and wouldn’t it be cheaper to continue buying seats at unions that focused on the Lunar program. Or is she the same? Did you drink vulgaris?

[tu160m]

Why, one might ask, publish such nonsense? Isn't TV enough for this? After Neil Armstrong, there were seven lunar missions and the Shuttle program with almost one and a half hundred launches. And finally, as a result of trial and error, American astronautics came to the most effective economic model - ordering the entire delivery service from private corporations. Throwing an astronaut into orbit on the Dragon is already one and a half times cheaper than on the Soyuz. And it will be even cheaper. And they will soon go there like a taxi. And Gagarin’s heirs will continue to fly on the ship that Korolev began to build. And remember what happened 60 years ago.