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“And I ask you to stay, Crew Dragon”: SpaceX’s spaceship lingers in orbit

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Dear friends, it's Friday in the yard! And this means that it is time to talk about the most serious topics that excite the minds of all mankind. Military Review, having spent many hours on a sleepless night, decided that the most important of the arts, uh ... of themed materials for all of us today is space.


In the section “Club of Friday Lovers” a small material is presented devoted, of course, to the epoch-making event of our time - how American astronauts Hurley and Benken plowed up the vastness of the Universe on the zealous Crew Dragon spaceship from Ilon Mask.

Not even 60 years have passed since the first manned flight into space, when suddenly ... such an achievement. The American cosmonautics (aka astronautics) - the one that has already flown to the moon, remembered that it was time to take a small step of man and a big step for humanity. The schedule is strict - every half a century, a step ...

Equipping exclusively American, private, independent and competitive spacecraft with Russian components, they said "Let's go!" Yes, Yuri Alekseevich; yes yes Neil Armstrong ... Please do not be surprised. They flew into space ...

Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight. His “trampolines” hurt the American partners so much that the American fitters set themselves the task of proving to the head of Roskosmos that they weren’t embarrassed as part of the caps competition. It is believed that this is why the portrait of Dmitry Olegovich today should hang in every office not only SpaceX, but also NASA. The skillful motivation carried out by Dmitry Rogozin allowed the American astronautics to finally feel the presence of gunpowder in the powder flasks. And on the neck, every American astronaut should now have a scaled copy of the Russian IDA docking adapter (APAS95-NDS), as a symbol of the successful docking of Crew Dragon with the International Space Station.

In the United States, prepared to meet the astronauts-heroes who made a space flight to the stars to the ISS. Waited for a meeting a day after the docking, waited four days later. But soon the week at the station is about to expire, and the cart (Crew Dragon) is still there. It is worth recalling that SpaceX announced the return of the "Dragon" to the earth in the days of the so-called "open windows". But instead of the triumphant return to Earth, astronauts Hurley and Benken either unload the Japanese space cargo ship or ring the bell, opening exchange trading in New York from orbit. It is understandable. The crew on the ISS in the previous composition is boring, because they do not want to let the new arrivals go. They offer responsible tasks "from the fence to lunch." Well, in fact, someone drilled a hole in Crew Dragon, so that the Mask ship would stay longer in orbit ...

Now they decided to exaggerate an unofficial statement about the "several months" stay. At the same time, the phrases “from a month to four” look strange for astronautics, where they are accustomed to more accurate parameters for completing missions.

As one famous character used to say: "And you, Crew Dragon, I will ask you to stay." And it remains. Till.



When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 5 June 2020 07: 51 New
    101
    Not even 60 years have passed since the first manned flight into space, when suddenly ... such an achievement. The American cosmonautics (aka astronautics) - the one that has already flown to the moon, remembered that it was time to take a small step of man and a big step for humanity. The schedule is strict - every half a century, a step ...


    Uh-uh! The author, you ... be careful, when I pointed out such a "cyclicality" in the US space tread, I was presented with "more than a hundred" negative "(now I'll look exactly how much and clarify laughing ) ...

    Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 5 June 2020 08: 05 New
      34
      And how do they insist on the minuses to the author? there is no such provision ..... for the article, at least.
      Then, the device is still there, so sho ......
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 5 June 2020 08: 08 New
        45
        Quote: rocket757
        And how do they insist on the minuses to the author? there is no such provision ..... for the article, at least.

        "Physically, minuses", of course, can not be, but in the comments of the Sect's Witnesses Jehovah's Ilona, ​​poop poop yes .
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 5 June 2020 08: 09 New
          -17
          Previously, with the phrase "yes, they can't even launch a person," they brushed aside everything: from the fact that American vehicles roll on Mars, but Roscosmos does not; that the Americans have a super-heavy rocket, while Roscosmos does not; that the Americans learned to return the stages, while Roskosmos did not, that the Americans were able to make reusable ships of a new generation, and Roskosmos did not, that the Americans made the first ever engine with full gasification of components to come off the ground, but Roscosmos did not. Now these questions stand up to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that it does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for their own inability to work normally.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 June 2020 08: 52 New
            18
            Everyone knows how to grind with tongues!
            how's it going ... let's see how it goes. And then again, when they jumped over, then let GOP talk.
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 5 June 2020 09: 54 New
            22
            Reusability coefficient and economic effect from please imagine, after that I will pat along with you.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 5 June 2020 10: 14 New
              -17
              You don’t have to clap, it won’t leave me.
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 June 2020 10: 03 New
            25
            Quote: military_cat
            Previously, the phrase "yes, they can't even start a person" brushed aside everything:

            Against the backdrop of FORTY successful manned Russian flights, the American 0,5 flight (for the same period) is still What nothing, time will tell and it should take more than one year.

            As for the rest, give Roskosmos the SAME funding as NASA, then ask.
            1. Andrey Bespalov
              Andrey Bespalov 5 June 2020 11: 23 New
              +6
              Roscosmos does not need! Steal. It is necessary to give financing to engineers, designers and workers.
            2. snake
              snake 5 June 2020 12: 05 New
              -20
              Quote: Olgovich
              give Roscosmos the SAME funding as NASA, then ask.

              In the meantime, they have not given them - let them steal those "crumbs" - what they give, right? They steal and project.
            3. kotvov
              kotvov 5 June 2020 16: 55 New
              0
              As for the rest, give Roskosmos the SAME funding as NASA ,,,
              And you take an interest in the salary of Rogozin and the head of nasa? And if you know, then write, how many years have the Federation been made, and when are you going to launch it?
            4. mitrich
              mitrich 6 June 2020 16: 50 New
              -2
              Olgovich writes:
              Against the backdrop of FORTY successful manned Russian flights, American 0,5 flights ...
              Is this against the backdrop of 40 flights of the Clipper-Eagle-Federation? So they (him) have not been doing it for 9 years. Decades. And while he is either in plywood, or in polystyrene, or in the inflamed brain of the bosom.
          4. slipped
            slipped 5 June 2020 13: 03 New
            48
            Quote: military_cat
            that the American devices ride on Mars


            The reason is simple - the lack of such projects with us. Although the chassis of the Mars rovers, we have developed and tested. So far, as part of the federal space program, we are conducting a scan of Mars from orbit. The nearest project with the landing of our planetary station is Exomars 2022.

            Quote: military_cat
            that Americans have a superheavy rocket


            Elements of our super-heavy rocket, code-named "Yenisei", are already being tested - they are the armature of the first stage of the "Soyuz-5" rocket. This is the RD-171MV engine.

            Quote: military_cat
            that Americans learned to return steps


            The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga. laughing In our case, it is desirable that the step itself gets to the starting point. Under its own power, so to speak. This is ultimately cheaper than spending money on delivery logistics. Therefore, a demonstrator of step return technology is now being created.

            Quote: military_cat
            that the Americans were able to make reusable new generation ships


            We do not need to make "new generation reusable spacecraft" to fly to the ISS station. Soyuz MS has been flying there for 20 years. But we are making a promising new generation transport ship for a flight to the Moon.

            Quote: military_cat
            what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components


            Our kerosene engines were fired with LNG back in the USSR. And already in the new Russia they burned the RD-180. This technology was then not in demand. The reasons were different. Nevertheless, Russia has several projects that have been brought up to a full-fledged engine. This is the four-chamber RD0110MD, a demonstrator engine for the upper stages of the Soyuz-2 missiles.



            This is RD0162SD - a demonstrator engine with a thrust of 200 tons for the first stage of a reusable light carrier.

            This is RD-0146M - a hydrogen engine for the Angara launch vehicle stage, which nevertheless was successfully burned also for LNG.

            At the moment in Russia, an 80-85 ton engine is in demand, for the promising Soyuz-LNG carrier, for which the RD-0177 demonstrator engine is now being created, its intermediate prototype RD-0162D2A for 40 tons was previously made and successfully passed all tests which can also be used in upper stages or booster blocks.

            Quote: military_cat
            Now these questions are rising to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that this does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for one’s inability to work normally.


            I think I answered your questions? laughing
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 5 June 2020 13: 12 New
              -32
              Quote: slipped
              Quote: military_cat
              what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components
              Our kerosene engines were burned on LNG in the USSR.
              You don't know what a fully gasified engine is. Tell the curator to include this question in the training manual.
              1. mirexes
                mirexes 5 June 2020 17: 07 New
                13
                You have a good training manual, or rather a curator, but honestly admitted
              2. El13
                El13 5 June 2020 18: 15 New
                13
                Quote: military_cat
                You don't know what a fully gasified engine is.

                Please tell us what is it?
                And also look at the device of the good old RD-170 and all its subsequent modifications and tell me, is there still gasification and for what?
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 5 June 2020 18: 22 New
                  -14
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Жидкостный_ракетный_двигатель_замкнутой_схемы#Замкнутая_схема_с_полной_газификацией_компонентов
                  1. Neim xxx
                    Neim xxx 5 June 2020 19: 10 New
                    +8
                    And what forgive you, the R-270, developed back in the 60s, did not please you?
                    1. military_cat
                      military_cat 5 June 2020 21: 41 New
                      -10
                      They could not bring him to a healthy state even at the stand, not to mention the fact that he could get off the ground.
                      1. Neim xxx
                        Neim xxx 6 June 2020 17: 13 New
                        +3
                        Well this is not entirely true. The work was stopped due to the curtailment of the lunar program. The development itself and the test results then remained.
                      2. military_cat
                        military_cat 7 June 2020 10: 08 New
                        0
                        The development itself and the test results then remained.
                        Only tests of individual parts, but not of the engine itself, can be considered successful. At that time, it was not possible to solve the problem of stability of the simultaneous control of two turbopumps - accordingly, the development was inoperative.
                      3. Neim xxx
                        Neim xxx 16 June 2020 11: 01 New
                        0
                        This problem was solved in a couple of years by the Americans and ours are already up to date on the details)))
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 June 2020 13: 23 New
          14
          Quote: slipped
          Quote: military_cat
          that the American devices ride on Mars


          The reason is simple - the lack of such projects with us. Although the chassis of the Mars rovers, we have developed and tested. So far, as part of the federal space program, we are conducting a scan of Mars from orbit. The nearest project with the landing of our planetary station is Exomars 2022.

          Quote: military_cat
          that Americans have a superheavy rocket


          Elements of our super-heavy rocket, code-named "Yenisei", are already being tested - they are the armature of the first stage of the "Soyuz-5" rocket. This is the RD-171MV engine.

          Quote: military_cat
          that Americans learned to return steps


          The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga. laughing In our case, it is desirable that the step itself gets to the starting point. Under its own power, so to speak. This is ultimately cheaper than spending money on delivery logistics. Therefore, a demonstrator of step return technology is now being created.

          Quote: military_cat
          that the Americans were able to make reusable new generation ships


          We do not need to make "new generation reusable spacecraft" to fly to the ISS station. Soyuz MS has been flying there for 20 years. But we are making a promising new generation transport ship for a flight to the Moon.

          Quote: military_cat
          what the Americans did the first ever gas-fired engine with full gasification of components


          Our kerosene engines were fired with LNG back in the USSR. And already in the new Russia they burned the RD-180. This technology was then not in demand. The reasons were different. Nevertheless, Russia has several projects that have been brought up to a full-fledged engine. This is the four-chamber RD0110MD, a demonstrator engine for the upper stages of the Soyuz-2 missiles.



          This is RD0162SD - a demonstrator engine with a thrust of 200 tons for the first stage of a reusable light carrier.

          This is RD-0146M - a hydrogen engine for the Angara launch vehicle stage, which nevertheless was successfully burned also for LNG.

          At the moment in Russia, an 80-85 ton engine is in demand, for the promising Soyuz-LNG carrier, for which the RD-0177 demonstrator engine is now being created, its intermediate prototype RD-0162D2A for 40 tons was previously made and successfully passed all tests which can also be used in upper stages or booster blocks.

          Quote: military_cat
          Now these questions are rising to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that this does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for one’s inability to work normally.


          I think I answered your questions? laughing

          Great comment, thanks!

          Why don't you write an article here on VO? Here she is, already in a ready, almost, form!

          And then we only read one thing: everything is over, and kaput (tired).
          1. zenion
            zenion 5 June 2020 19: 08 New
            +2
            Strange, but in my childhood it was called kerogas, there were primuses.
          2. slipped
            slipped 5 June 2020 21: 46 New
            12
            Quote: Olgovich
            And then we only read one thing: everything is over, and kaput (tired).


            In the meantime, the commissioning of the technological equipment started at the Amur GPP, which is being built next to Vostochny. laughing

        3. Uma palata
          Uma palata 6 June 2020 03: 29 New
          +8
          Excellent set out. But, however, your opponent will not hear, he pours his own like a capercaillie while admiring his delicious chicken.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 6 June 2020 08: 45 New
            -6
            You can still be fed with answers "will be soon" и "yes, I didn't really want to"? Happy for you. Itself was like that once.
            1. slipped
              slipped 6 June 2020 11: 47 New
              +6
              Quote: military_cat
              You can still be fed with answers "will be soon" и "yes, I didn't really want to"? Happy for you. Itself was like that once.


              Will explain. The reasons why Russia does not use LNG engines today lie in several planes. The first reason motorists encounter when installing gas equipment on a car - when switching the gas-gas system, from a gas to gas, a gas engine has a drop in power. Something similar happens when the engine created for kerosene during the transition to LNG is used - the use of gas in a rocket requires the development of its technical solutions - and this is the money spent on both development and production - why spend too much if the kerosene engine works as required. The second of the main reasons follows, oddly enough, from the advantage of the LNG engine - fewer soot - this advantage is effective only in a reusable rocket, for a single-use rocket it is immaterial and it makes no sense then to make such an engine for current systems. The third reason is the price of fuel. An LNG engine pays off at the high cost of oil prices. From the mid-90s until recently, the price of oil was high — rocket-engineering companies wanted to lower the cost of output by switching to a different fuel pair — hence the creation of LNG demonstrator engines by Russia, despite the fact that all engines have we are on kerosene rockets and at today's current cost of oil there is no sense today in transferring all carriers to gas.

              Those. we come to the conclusion that the LNG engine is the prerogative of only a reusable carrier - there it justifies its technical solution, and also reduces the cost of startup by everything else.

              Such a launch vehicle in Russia is now being designed on the "Wing-SV" theme at the Bartini Design Bureau - a cruise recoverable stage of an ultralight rocket for the operational launch of small spacecraft into space.



              A large-scale demonstrator will be made in a couple of years. Preliminary, in the near future, it is planned to drop the stage model glider from the aircraft. Whether such a decision will be justified - one should look at the results of its operation before using it on the average Soyuz-LNG carrier.
              1. Drummer
                Drummer 6 June 2020 13: 27 New
                +2
                Comparison with ICE is strong. Nothing, that specific impulse is more than just methane?
                The cost of fuel is ~ 1% of the cost of a rocket, especially since the advantages of methane in terms of fuel cost are not at all obvious. The advantages are just the possibility of multiple start-ups without critical consequences, higher reliability of less aggressive "sweet" gasification and potentially higher efficiency due to higher pressure in the chamber.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 6 June 2020 14: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Drummer
                  Comparison with ICE is strong.


                  Well, I had to land the analogy as much as possible laughing for the car itself has a pair of gas-gasoline.

                  Quote: Drummer
                  Nothing, that specific impulse is more than just methane?


                  Nothing laughing, it was not a specific impulse.

                  Here, let’s take as an example the cryogenic RD-701- three-component rocket engine: thrust in vacuum: 1st mode (oxygen-kerosene): 408 tf (4 kH), 001nd mode (oxygen-hydrogen): 2 tf (160 kN)

                  In this case, the specific impulse in a vacuum: 1st mode: 415 sec, 2nd mode: 460 sec.

                  Those. the engine needs to be done immediately under LNG, to get the result of greater power.

                  Quote: Drummer
                  The cost of fuel is ~ 1% of the cost of a rocket, especially since the advantages of methane in terms of fuel costs are not at all obvious.


                  Not the cost of the rocket, but the services to launch it, and yes not 1% for sure. laughing

                  Quote: Drummer
                  The advantages are just the possibility of multiple start-ups without critical consequences, higher reliability of less aggressive "sweet" gasification and potentially higher efficiency due to higher pressure in the chamber.


                  This is described above - for reusable use.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 6 June 2020 17: 55 New
                    +1
                    I apologize - I made a mistake in the name of one of the methane engines above, I clarify the list:

                    RD0162 - thrust 203,9 tons - project "Volga"
                    RD0162SD - thrust 42,5 tons - MRKS-1 project
              2. military_cat
                military_cat 7 June 2020 10: 11 New
                -2
                Quote: slipped
                Will explain. The reasons why Russia does not use LNG engines today lie in several planes.
                If this is an explanation of something, it’s just not what I was talking about. I didn’t say anything about LNG or methane at all.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 7 June 2020 15: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: military_cat
                  I didn’t say anything about LNG or methane at all.


                  yes, yes, you said that everything is bad and everyone will die soon laughing
        4. free_flier
          free_flier 6 June 2020 09: 10 New
          +2
          Not "answered", but killed.
        5. Drummer
          Drummer 6 June 2020 13: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: slipped
          The return of the steps vertically is not suitable for Russia for a larger number of inclinations - there is nowhere to fit the "barge" in the taiga.

          What trouble happened to "Vostochny" or did the taiga grow in the Pacific Ocean?
          1. slipped
            slipped 6 June 2020 15: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Drummer
            What trouble happened to "Vostochny" or did the taiga grow in the Pacific Ocean?




            it’s easy to find the distribution of fall zones in the network laughing
      2. lego2
        lego2 5 June 2020 14: 33 New
        +6
        Please tell us what kind of superheavy rocket is and if it is possible that they launched such superheavy rocket and where?
        1. figwam
          figwam 5 June 2020 18: 18 New
          0
          Quote: lego2
          Please tell us what kind of super-heavy rocket and if possible,

          They don’t have a heavy missile; tests have not been carried out.
          1. zenion
            zenion 5 June 2020 19: 10 New
            +5
            You know a lot. If the rocket can be lifted by three people - this is an average rocket. If four cannot lift it, it is a heavy rocket. And five people can no longer lift the super heavy, but if six can be lifted.
            1. figwam
              figwam 5 June 2020 19: 21 New
              0
              Quote: zenion
              You know a lot.

              In that case, yes, I confess I did not know.
        2. Drummer
          Drummer 6 June 2020 13: 28 New
          +1
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy
      3. Uma palata
        Uma palata 6 June 2020 02: 54 New
        +7
        Duc Americans still somehow back to Earth, squaw hug. Nasa is now wondering how to complete it. Or ask the ugly Russians to deliver the Americans to the Earth in Russian in a descent vehicle, after providing them with an original item. Or, forgive me, xxxxsaving, to make your astronauts heroes posthumously using an ilon can. As for the fact that these people are sincerely acutely sorry now, politicians do not operate on such positions. And Nasa, that they are forced people, will fulfill the order.
        Complete, and frankly, terrible this one, which can not be spelled here. People were thrown into space, and both back to America, they sat down on the fact that there is no need to write here either.
        1. Morrrow
          Morrrow 6 June 2020 08: 13 New
          0
          Stop taking drugs!
      4. mixail sherbakov
        mixail sherbakov 6 June 2020 16: 07 New
        -2
        Yes, such a topic could not do without a local maskroder))
      5. really
        really 6 June 2020 18: 05 New
        +1
        As a smart person, so with the minuses, everything is fine
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 37 New
      10
      Quote: Insurgent
      but in the comments of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Ilona’s Sects, they poop

      Not until the "Dragon" on the leash will be silent, but when it lands, it will get it in full.
    3. PilotS37
      PilotS37 5 June 2020 10: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: Insurgent
      "Physically, minuses", of course, can not be, but in the comments of the Sect's Witnesses Jehovah's Ilona, ​​they’ll throw poop ...

      Colleagues, let's respect the feelings of believers!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 5 June 2020 10: 27 New
        21
        Quote: PilotS37
        Colleagues, let's respect the feelings of believers!


        Sectsprohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation yes
      2. Uma palata
        Uma palata 6 June 2020 02: 58 New
        +5
        Jehovah's people are forbidden sects, so not respecting their feelings is not prohibited. The author used a very true comparison: the prayer worship of fools for a false idol.
        1. PilotS37
          PilotS37 7 June 2020 22: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Uma Palata
          Jehovah's people are forbidden sects, so not respecting their feelings is not prohibited. The author used a very true comparison: the prayer worship of fools for a false idol.

          Actually, I meant the Witnesses of Mask ...
    4. l7yzo
      l7yzo 5 June 2020 12: 35 New
      +2
      sect, not a sect, but after all, the babut worked)))
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 June 2020 13: 33 New
        10
        Quote: l7yzo
        sect, not a sect, but after all, the babut worked)))

        What is the use of the fact that it worked if the reverse mechanism does not work. They docked the docking station with their high-tech rubbish and now the full-time crew is being consumed. A lingering mattress is worse than an intruder.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 June 2020 13: 59 New
          -1
          His return was generally originally calculated for August.
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 6 June 2020 09: 21 New
            +1
            Judging by their broadcast, when the entrance hatch was closed for almost an hour, using - starting from the standard handle, ending with a bunch of wrenches, is not so good with this trampoline. Apparently the Americans are sensing something was wrong, and therefore they are thinking over how to fall on the tail of those who flew to the Union ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 June 2020 12: 24 New
              +2
              Finish to carry all nonsense.
        2. Dart
          Dart 5 June 2020 22: 25 New
          +3
          Dmitry, bravo! laughing laughing about the mattress finally can be set off! good
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 34 New
    -5
    Quote: rocket757
    Then, the device is still there, so sho.

    Well, wait, we’re not used to it.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 5 June 2020 08: 54 New
      11
      If the astronauts think of going down on it ... I don’t care who, what and how, let them all be fine!
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 5 June 2020 14: 03 New
        +5
        If everything is not going well with them, we didn’t do anything specifically for this, and all questions to SpaceX engineers.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 5 June 2020 14: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Anton
          If everything is not going well with them, we didn’t do anything specifically for this, and all questions to SpaceX engineers.

          We won’t ... we won’t be all!
        2. Foxmara
          Foxmara 8 June 2020 00: 53 New
          0
          This does not hurt to blame yourself know someone that he personally dug a ditch on the cape. There, the beginner will remember what they don’t remember, come up with. And add sanctions.
    2. Kart
      Kart 5 June 2020 09: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Well, wait, we’re not used to it.

      Another 6 years.
      How many launched, so much to return.
      Moreover, the United States is not up to them now, as if a revolution did not happen.
      Resubmitted in orbit.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 5 June 2020 09: 48 New
        10
        Quote: Carte
        Resubmitted in orbit.


        good

        Choose the safest place laughing
        1. free_flier
          free_flier 6 June 2020 09: 22 New
          +2
          If only they could not drag COVIDa into orbit ...
  3. orionvitt
    orionvitt 5 June 2020 12: 58 New
    13
    Quote: rocket757
    the device is still there

    I would not be surprised if the Americans have to return on duty "Soyuz". This will be the number. laughing
    Now they decided to exaggerate unofficially a statement about "several months" of stay.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 5 June 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: orionvitt
      I would not be surprised if the Americans have to return on duty "Soyuz".

      I won’t be surprised either. In this case it is possible and .... in short, it is possible.
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 5 June 2020 08: 06 New
    38
    One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos made the docking module to him. free. and grandmothers from the Ministry of Defense. to call this a private project is simply stupid. typical Hollywood with its show-offs. Kubrick’s creation of the moon on the moon.
    1. halpat
      halpat 5 June 2020 08: 31 New
      21
      Quote: vkl.47
      One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos made the docking module to him. free. and grandmothers from the Ministry of Defense. to call this a private project is simply stupid. typical Hollywood with its show-offs. Kubrick’s creation of the moon on the moon.

      Well, actually what it is about.
      Elon Musk received everything from the state. Apparently "for the beautiful eyes."
      His companies suffer long-term and multimillion-dollar losses (hundreds of millions every year). And all "like water off a goose."
      The conclusion suggests itself - this action is not private. The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 5 June 2020 08: 59 New
        13
        Quote: Halpat
        The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.

        One in one story with microsoft. Only there ibm leaked its resources
        1. free_flier
          free_flier 6 June 2020 10: 26 New
          +1
          "Not yet evening"...
          The mask shares are jerking no worse than the exchange rate of the cue ball ... how it goes to real realization - so fall, as to an advertising campaign - it will immediately take off ...
          If the dragon is nae ..., I feel that everyone who has now invested money in his shares will be in deep ..., well, as in the legendary film - "lower than the belt" ... only from behind.
      2. anjey
        anjey 5 June 2020 09: 08 New
        +8
        Space requires a serious scientific, technical and political approach, some "private traders from the stars" will not pull it.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 5 June 2020 10: 56 New
          14
          Quote: anjey
          Space requires a serious scientific, technical and political approach, some "private traders from the stars" will not pull it.

          As well as not pull any large infrastructure project. About the hand of the market, foreign investment, etc. must be forgotten, as this is a divorce for suckers.
      3. KAV
        KAV 5 June 2020 09: 21 New
        16
        Quote: Halpat
        The conclusion suggests itself - this action is not private. The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private.

        Exactly! And why? The answer is simple: if they succeed, it is jointly with NASA and America, and if they fail, it is only Elon who is to blame.
        1. Kart
          Kart 5 June 2020 10: 20 New
          11
          It always happens, not only in the USA.
          Everyone wants to share the victory. Because what is there to say, it’s really an achievement to collect new ship, and send people into space.
          If you make a successful project, then those who "also participated" will immediately run up. Moreover, they speak and speak more than the author.
        2. free_flier
          free_flier 6 June 2020 10: 28 New
          +1
          So he has already voiced this apologeme for America.
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 5 June 2020 10: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Halpat
        The state + a small group of real moneybags (under state guarantees) simply chose this path and the decision was political, but not economic and especially not private

        Here you are wrong). How economic! The market for commercial launches is very rich, especially when you are in charge of allocations. And one NASA is not suitable for an exchange game. It takes several applicants for government money, then this money is washed a hundred times easier, such technologies. Long run in. So I had to inflate the bubble.
        Astronauts feel sorry for the station and scary. There, resources for an enlarged crew are not calculated, and people are very tired, no matter how hard they are. I wonder if they will wait for our ship, or will they risk all the same?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 June 2020 12: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The market for commercial launches is very rich, especially when you are in charge of allocations.

          It is rich in launching satellites, and not in manned programs. So the launch market for astronauts and tourists is not as large as it might seem, especially since it is associated with risks.
          Quote: Mikhail3
          And one NASA is not suitable for an exchange game.

          The state agency did not have the right to play for budget money - there was no need to invent something that was not in sight.
          Quote: Mikhail3
          So I had to inflate the bubble.

          Indeed, the bubble is inflated, and most likely by those companies whose owners want to oust Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas from the market of aerospace companies, because they see a perspective in it. That's where Musk came from, which in this case is somewhat reminiscent of General Groves in the Manhattan project.
          Quote: Mikhail3
          I wonder if they will wait for our ship, or will they risk all the same?

          At least they booked our ship for the fall, according to the media.
          1. free_flier
            free_flier 6 June 2020 11: 33 New
            0
            They will devour all the nishtyaks at the station before this time.
      5. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 June 2020 10: 26 New
        -3
        "Companies carry it for many years and multi-million
        losses (hundreds of millions every year) "////
        ----
        Your information is out of date.
        SpaceX has been profitable since 2018. .
        Tesla has become profitable since 2020. And behind her shares is a brawl on stock exchanges.
        Began to produce a new car factory in China. And in America they’ll start
        build a second factory.
        A gigabyte of batteries has become cost-effective. And Musk is building three more: in the USA,
        Germany and China.
        ALL projects of Ilona Mask become profitable in a few years.
        This is already learned in the world.
        And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
        for creating thousands of jobs.
        1. Alecsandr
          Alecsandr 5 June 2020 10: 46 New
          -5
          Correctly. They do not want to see the obvious success of the international space station, which serves the benefit of all mankind. The ISS will function better with American ships and I do not understand the gloating of some comrades on this subject. Or, as always, the neighbor’s cow died a trifle, but nice.
        2. +5
          +5 5 June 2020 11: 02 New
          +9
          That's about Tesla is not necessary .... it shows quarterly profit every 2-3 years (to the applause of Teslachomachia) .... here only in the next quarter losses are several times higher than usual :)))

          the "price" of shares just shows that this is a pyramid, and Musk is a system dude ... otherwise the SEC would have put him on a bunk years ago
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 June 2020 11: 09 New
            +8
            90% of firms in the world are public, with shares. Stocks do not mean a pyramid.
            ----
            I have not mentioned StarLink with future 12,000 satellites.
            Already now they have traced what profits are hidden there.
            When the system is fully operational, Elon Musk will become a trillionaire.
            1. +5
              +5 5 June 2020 11: 55 New
              12
              The last 11 years, all American stocks are a bubble, because trillions of KuE went precisely and only to the stock market ... otherwise hyper in 2010 would happen in the USA.

              But Tesla ... this is MMM in its purest form, the highest stage of development of the South Seas Company ... only instead of Lenya Golubkov, you have to produce cars .... ZhM with Ford "stand" for about 40-45 lard, and a bug with a couple of hundred thousand cars a year and losses accumulated over 10 years in 13 lard "cost" the same ... and now it has become ... 80..90 ??? Moreover, the larger the release, the greater the loss ... but hamsters believe ...
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 22 New
                -8
                In economic terms - you don’t have to believe and forecast for the future the Mask real production and a very advanced advertising company the result is in demand investments come despite Tesla’s loss - the company has not yet developed its full potential for development and access to profit and its further growth - the office is quite large.
        3. anjey
          anjey 5 June 2020 11: 10 New
          +4
          Time PMC in all sectors? Tomorrow he will create his Army, Navy and go to conquer the world? And the eternal run in a circle will create a new state? laughing There are no business independent from anyone, even the richest private owners of oligarchs.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This is already learned in the world.
          And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
          for creating thousands of jobs.
        4. zombirusrev
          zombirusrev 5 June 2020 11: 32 New
          +6
          I remind you! Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk!
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 5 June 2020 13: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: zombirusrev
            Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk

            This is not idle talk and not a scientific debate, but the expression of one’s own opinion. And his own opinion does not always need a link. In addition, if a person stubbornly believes in different things, if a person has a causal relationship broken in his head, then no links will convince him. Moreover, on the network, you can dig links for all occasions.
        5. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 11: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          SpaceX has been profitable since 2018

          Ha. How did you determine its profitability? If SpaceX's accounting is closed. According to the owner?
          No shares on the exchange ... tongue
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 June 2020 12: 05 New
            -7
            There are international estimates of the cost of each type of launch
            rockets into space. (The new Falcon-9 costs the Mask roughly like the Union
            Roscosmos. But each returning 1st step with the engines does
            Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than the Union. The client pays the same.)
            And it is known how much each company charges a client per ton of cargo.
            And it is known how many launches each company made per year.
            Arithmetic is very simple. laughing
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 12: 48 New
              +8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But each returning 1st step with the engines does
              Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soyuz

              And do you really believe that? That the first stage costs 30-40% of the cost of the rocket? This is not true. Most of the cost of all missiles is not hardware, but endless checks and tests ... My acquaintances from Energomash (Khimki) called the relative cost of iron - approximately 10%, relative to the entire cycle. Even the RD-180 undergoes firing tests before dispatch ... and these tests are more expensive than the engine itself. tongue
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 5 June 2020 13: 27 New
                +2
                "That the first stage costs 30-40% of the cost of the rocket? It's not true." ///
                ---
                Of course not. The first stage costs 70-80% of the cost of the entire rocket.
                30-40 - this is after all refueling, transportation to the launch pad,
                installation of the 2nd stage and checks.
                At Falcon-9, some steps flew 4-5 times. Without replacing and repairing engines.
                Roscosmos will inevitably make reusable first steps. And all the rest
                Mask competitors too. It's inevitable like the arrival of summer fellow drinks
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 5 June 2020 13: 06 New
              0
              But each returning 1st step with the engines does
              Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than the Union.

              Dreams, dreams ... And which astronaut will fly on bu engines?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 5 June 2020 13: 33 New
                +3
                "And which astronaut will fly on boo engines?" ///

                Any. As now fly many times on passenger liners.
                If you design engines not forced, but working on 2/3
                maximum power, as is done on the Falcon-9, there is no
                danger. Cargo Dragons have already flown several times to the ISS and back
                on second-hand first steps. There were no problems. And the passenger Dragon at the Mask
                - copy of the freight. With minimal additives.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 5 June 2020 19: 53 New
                  +3
                  The technique is complicated, as reusable shuttles have proven.
                  It is possible that they will agree to fly, but bringing into proper flight condition, I think that will not be much cheaper than initial launches. We will see.
            3. tikhonov66
              tikhonov66 5 June 2020 13: 37 New
              +9
              "... But each returning 1st stage with engines does
              Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soyuz
              ..."
              - only in the sense that all this is broken iron - it can be very profitable to REACH SAREWEARS ... 8-))))
              - after all, NOT ONE - have not flown again! (and, accordingly - "did not make Falcon 9 30-40% cheaper" 8--)

              Realize, dear, that all this BU-iron for its reuse - REQUIRES A FULL CYCLE OF TESTS. Because believing the "word of honor" of Ilona Mask is more expensive for yourself. And no one knows how to test this "fool" in the collection. And therefore - DISASSEMBLY is needed, most likely a complete one, then troubleshooting, then testing, again troubleshooting, hierarchical assembly - with testing at each stage.
              - and not easier / cheaper / more reliable, is it possible to make a new one?

              and this is the materiel.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 5 June 2020 13: 43 New
                +1
                "that all this is BU-iron for its reuse - DEMANDS A FULL CYCLE OF TESTING" ////
                ----
                Does not require. Conduct regular inter-flight inspections, like fighters
                or passenger liners.
                When iron is designed once, then it works once.
                When designed for reusability, then it works many times.
                Are you used to astronautics of the first stage of space exploration
                - he is a thing of the past.
                All space technology is becoming reusable.
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 15: 32 New
                  +4
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Does not require. Conduct regular inter-flight inspections, like fighters
                  or passenger liners.
                  When iron is designed once, then it works once.
                  When designed for reusability, then it works many times.

                  RD-180 passes fire tests up to 10 times !!! But there are such extreme operating parameters that some details - turbopumps, for example - must be sorted out ... The engine is disassembled ...
                  So this stage mask is disassembled necessarily! And in these steps, in fact, there is nothing. Huge tanks, and engines docked to them.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 5 June 2020 20: 07 New
                    -2
                    "But there are such limiting parameters of work," ////
                    ----
                    Well, here we have come to an understanding of the issue. drinks
                    And in Falcon engines, components with such extreme
                    no parameters.
                    Its nodes were originally designed for reusability.
                    How is the Toyota engine different from the Formula 1 engine, okay?
                    1. Mountain shooter
                      Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 21: 45 New
                      +3
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      And in Falcon engines, components with such extreme
                      no parameters.

                      Oh my God! Do you believe that yourself? If the rocket engines have parameters that are not limiting, they will have an impulse so-so, respectively, more fuel consumption, well, and everything that follows. These engines were not designed by Musk. They took them ready to NASA.
                    2. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 5 June 2020 23: 26 New
                      0
                      "their impulse will be so-so" ////
                      -----
                      Ну и что? smile On Falcon engines 9 pieces.
                      And each engine, like the Toyota engine, is not a record.
                      Not Formula 1. stop
                      But it’s reusable. For 10 flights / returns.
                      (And on Falcon Heavy, already 27 pieces belay and also - all reusable
                      and returnable)
                  2. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 21: 57 New
                    +3
                    Well, not really NASA. But it was based on the engine of the landing stage of the Apollo Lunar Module. NASA is kind ... gave it to the developer!
              2. Dart
                Dart 5 June 2020 22: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                All space technology is becoming reusable.

                So far this is only half a step .... and not the fact that the right direction ... five years of intensive operation will show whether this is so, or we must again return to the idea of ​​shuttles again.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 5 June 2020 23: 31 New
                  +1
                  How to return the first step?
                  You can sit on your own exhaust, like a mask,
                  You can like Shuttles / Burans, you can parachute.
                  Differently. But rockets become reusable.
              3. really
                really 6 June 2020 18: 13 New
                0
                A man was driven into the head many years ago, he lives with this and does not accept novelty.
              4. Andrey Komkov
                Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 15: 50 New
                +1
                Is this a masked Merlin with a plastic nozzle and does not require a COP ?? Yeah, well, yes, of course, they just visually inspected the flight. That's only jet engines during development run for hundreds of hours of work at the stands, but I don’t remember something that Musk would drive his plastic engines with burning and restarting, even if only for several hours as he plans to use them. Let me remind you of the words of Americans about the fact that the stage becomes profitable only after 10 flights. And also a recent case in March, when a stage after 4 flights fell into the ocean due to an engine explosion. Four, not 10. All your words about astronautics are valid only in one case - when the technology of engine production will be radically altered (how the turbojet engine went into aviation together). Reducing the load on the engine, as Mask did, is a decrease in the thrust of the engine itself, which leads to an increase in the number of these same engines in the first stage and, paradoxically, leads to an increase in the probability of an engine explosion at the start as the number of starts (which is confirmed by practice ) But the difference from aviation is substantial here - in aviation, the failure of one engine does not lead to disaster, and the plane continues to fly. An explosion of an engine with a tight layout like on Falcon 9 leads to damage to neighboring engines and to a disaster with the fall of the entire rocket.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 7 June 2020 16: 20 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Andrey Komkov
                  how together the internal combustion engine came to aviation).

                  How interesting. A turbojet engine is not an internal combustion engine?
                  Quote: Andrey Komkov
                  An explosion of an engine with a tight layout like on Falcon 9 leads to damage to neighboring engines and to a disaster with the fall of the entire rocket.

                  And the Union or Proton will not even notice the explosion of the engine and will continue to fly serene
                  1. Andrey Komkov
                    Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 16: 32 New
                    +2
                    In principle, turbojet engines are also ICE. But I meant which with cylinders - gasoline and diesel. And whose output is the rotation of the shaft. Whereas turbojet engines convert the energy of gases into engine thrust.
                    An engine explosion on both the Union and Proton will also lead to disaster. However, the probability of an explosion of a new engine only made is much lower than that of flying repeatedly with no faults.
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 31 New
              -6
              For this, ultrasonic flaw detection also has diagnostic equipment for all systems of the first stage - what the hell needs to be disassembled and tested if the stage was technically created initially reusable.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 15: 34 New
                +5
                Quote: Vadim237
                For this, ultrasonic flaw detection and diagnostic

                And how to check the assembly (engine assembly)?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 5 June 2020 18: 10 New
                  -6
                  Engines have an electronic control and diagnostic system, like all other systems, along with ultrasonic inspection, diagnosticians also have video endoscopes for visual inspection.
              2. Andrey Komkov
                Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 15: 52 New
                0
                And do not tell me how you are going to make ultrasonic flaw detection diagnostics of the laminated plastic of which the composites and nozzles of Merlin 1D engines consist? If there are already a lot of cracks between the layers of plastic.
                1. vadimtt
                  vadimtt 8 June 2020 09: 53 New
                  0
                  X-ray?
          2. Grits
            Grits 5 June 2020 15: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But each returning 1st step with the engines does
            Falcon-9 is 30-40% cheaper than Soya

            Personally, would you fly into space at a stage that has already launched a rocket into orbit once or twice? ... But 40% cheaper. A funeral is always cheaper than a return.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 June 2020 18: 13 New
              -4
              It would fly at a reusable stage as if it had already successfully delivered the payload five times, and what should I be afraid of the manned ship the CAC system exists even if the rocket explodes on the launch steel, this system will save the ship and crew.
              1. Andrey Komkov
                Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 15: 58 New
                +3
                This system has already exploded once on the ground once the capsule has returned, smashing the entire capsule to smithereens (what happened to the first unmanned flying Crew Dragon, don’t you recall?). At Mask, engines of 400N each, grouped in 5 pieces, are located behind a thin wall right next to the astronauts. They are supplied with precisely those high-boiling components, the simple mixing of which gives instant ignition. While all normal designers remove potentially explosive engines as far away from people as possible. But Musk is our smartest, he is a genius. I wonder how then this genius will explain to the relatives of the dead astronauts (pah-pah, God forbid), why did their husbands and fathers explode in the most advanced ship?
          3. free_flier
            free_flier 6 June 2020 11: 46 New
            0
            Yes ... it’s 30-40% cheaper ... I just used the used stage once, and the 10% discount for customers who use the old stage when launching their goods didn’t have any effect, since cargo insurance increases sharply for the sender, and the discount has no economic effect.
            Maybe NASA at the fulfilled steps will agree to send its astronauts to the ISS ... ???
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 June 2020 12: 28 New
              +3
              Already the second reusable stage flew five times - that you had no effect there orders for BUSH go.
            2. A.TOR
              A.TOR 6 June 2020 17: 59 New
              +2
              NASA has decided to allow the reuse of the Dragon for a new flight with people and the reuse of the first stage. Will sign after the return and inspection of the ship.
          4. Drummer
            Drummer 6 June 2020 14: 05 New
            0
            Only not "Soyuz", but "Proton", "Soyuz" in a lower class and in every way cheaper.
      6. 6895
        6895 5 June 2020 18: 04 New
        +2
        5 billion per year received Tesla from the state, voice the first profit, several tens of millions. Time will tell whether Tesla is needed at all in the market, because all the major car manufacturers have and are developing this area. In the current situation in the Tesla markets, it can generally be covered with a copper basin with its profit.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 6 June 2020 21: 35 New
          -1
          Where does this information come from? In what form did she receive the money?
          1. 6895
            6895 4 July 2020 09: 18 New
            0
            In US dollars. Obama administration.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 5 July 2020 00: 56 New
              0
              Now Tesla is worth 200+ billion, sales are good. Many patents have generally been made publicly available with the light hand of Mask. So what's wrong with Tesla (not in the world of REN-TV)?
              1. 6895
                6895 5 July 2020 07: 12 New
                0
                We are talking about the innovations that the cat wept. Musk is a businessman, now Tesla is a promoted brand that will now be shoved onto any product, computers, mugs, anything and it will be sold and earned more than electric cars.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 6 July 2020 21: 05 New
                  0
                  But is not a bunch of their patents (can be broken through the corresponding site) not innovations? I was interested in these accusations (or reproaches), it turned out - they are often based on the misinformation of some (the majority) and the stuffing of others (including state-owned channels).
                  1. 6895
                    6895 6 July 2020 23: 11 New
                    -1
                    You are confusing something, to put it simply, Musk huckster, cynically mows loot. Where is he and where is innovation. Tesla is a great brand, but the Mask before electrical engineer Nicolo Tesla (with its innovations) is like before Beijing cancer.
                  2. 3danimal
                    3danimal 9 July 2020 07: 01 New
                    -1
                    So you start to loop somewhere.
                    My words: Tesla is about innovation, they have a bunch of patents. It relates to Nicola as a memory of an outstanding scientist.
                    It is extremely ridiculous to compare him and the Mask. The latter is a businessman and (obviously) an excellent organizer, which is extremely important for the implementation of these innovations.
                    About huckster and stuff - fire, less emotion and more specifics. The same fancy has the following things: the massive appearance of electric vehicles, a significant reduction in the cost of commercial launches into orbit. Benefit for everyone, there is nothing wrong with earning income on this. Who else did this?
    2. halpat
      halpat 5 June 2020 21: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "Companies carry it for many years and multi-million
      losses (hundreds of millions every year) "////
      ----
      Your information is out of date.
      SpaceX has been profitable since 2018. .
      Tesla has become profitable since 2020. And behind her shares is a brawl on stock exchanges.
      Began to produce a new car factory in China. And in America they’ll start
      build a second factory.
      A gigabyte of batteries has become cost-effective. And Musk is building three more: in the USA,
      Germany and China.
      ALL projects of Ilona Mask become profitable in a few years.
      This is already learned in the world.
      And the state has nothing to do with it. He receives tax breaks from states and cities,
      for creating thousands of jobs.

      I note that 2020 is coming right now.
      And the brawl on stock exchanges for stocks is not an objective indicator of the company's profitability, in the "markets" (among stockbrokers) they say about the attractiveness of investing in the stocks of a particular company and "profitability" is just one of the factors.
      How many fights were in the "markets"? Do not count.
      Car sales worldwide fell by 70-80%. Why would not the cheapest Tesla suddenly become profitable?
      There are no options. And reasoning about profitability is an element of unscrupulous (though ordinary) speculation.
      “Do not hide your money in banks and corners. And at midnight, bury your money in the ground here ”(c)
      “As long as greedy is alive around, good luck we will not let go” (c)
    3. KCA
      KCA 6 June 2020 09: 13 New
      0
      You should at least look at TSLA stock quotes, they are like mountains, up / down, then 885, then 400, there has not been and will not be stable growth, and in China there will be little Musk to build, while Donny is in power in the USA, he can still ban finger batteries in China to buy, Tesla quickly blown away to zero
  • Captain45
    Captain45 5 June 2020 12: 12 New
    +5
    Quote: Halpat
    Elon Musk received everything from the state. Apparently "for the beautiful eyes."
    His companies suffer long-term and multimillion-dollar losses (hundreds of millions every year). And all "like water off a goose."

    So he (Musk), whose brother is Chubais, or what? what belay
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 5 June 2020 13: 41 New
      +6
      "... So he (Musk), what is Chubais's brother, or what?
      ..."
      - no, he’s grandson of Ostap Bender,
      who invented and implemented another (1001st)
      - "a relatively fair way of taking money" - called "Skryuch.Dragon"
      8-))
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 09 New
    -8
    Yes, he didn’t get much there - he was able to do what others couldn’t afford; he assembled a compact team, set up production development and made good advertising for a new office and things went uphill, the last words in all the developments and technical solutions were left to Mask and he creates the direction of the company.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 08: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: vkl.47
    .technology he received everything from NASA. free. and grandmother from the Ministry of Defense.

    And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?
    1. halpat
      halpat 5 June 2020 09: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: vkl.47
      .technology he received everything from NASA. free. and grandmother from the Ministry of Defense.

      And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

      Deripaska is not allowed. He handed over the Russian aluminum industry to the enemy for not a single gunpowder. We barely managed to "fart" (Russian state).

      You can only give "conditional" to Rotenberg and Timchenko :))
      so that they immediately lifted sanctions (lured), and then again ... introduced and began to extort.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Halpat
        Rotenberg

        Yeah, he will fly, how come. It’s better to give Mutko technology, he is special in all matters with us.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 5 June 2020 20: 55 New
          +1
          Better Mutko give technology

          Leontievich - colleague, he can handle it! "In 1977-1978 he worked as a seaman-minder" (Ts. Vicki). laughing
    2. PilotS37
      PilotS37 5 June 2020 10: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

      About "stone" and space - smiled great!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 10: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: PilotS37
        About "stone" and space - smiled great!

        And they hit me the cons. Fans of Deripaska, probably ... laughing
        1. PilotS37
          PilotS37 5 June 2020 10: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And they hit me the cons. Fans of Deripaska, probably ...

          Not! - It's just that very serious people imagined how the stone ship "Deripaska's Flower" collapsed on their heads from the Open-Space ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 10: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: PilotS37
            stone ship "Deripaska's Flower"

            Oh well them ... The mistress of the copper mountain will give out ... In full.
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 5 June 2020 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      And let Roskosmos give technology to the conditional Deripaska. Get a stone flower?

      The fifth day sat, Danila the master frowned. The stone flower does not come out ... lol
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 12: 25 New
        -3
        Quote: Captain45
        frowned Danila the master.

        Ragozin is a master. laughing
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 5 June 2020 13: 08 New
      -1
      It’s impossible to Deripaska, he will again give everything to the States and Co., as he gave aluminum and generation.
    5. free_flier
      free_flier 6 June 2020 11: 51 New
      +1
      NASA uses the Mask to cover its zheppa in case of failure, which he already voiced before launch.
      Roscosmos zheppu cover is not necessary.
  • El13
    El13 5 June 2020 18: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: vkl.47
    modestly kept silent that Roskosmos did the docking module to him

    well, it’s normal if it’s our area of ​​responsibility and we set the standards here and do it ourselves, it’s very good, but what was silent, well, I think there are a lot of non-state things there and what, remember all the Chinese? No, claims are far-fetched in this part.
  • Moxolov
    Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 11 New
    16
    Quote: Insurgent
    Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

    No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))
    Quote: vkl.47
    One-way ticket. Oh, the fraudster helmet))) modestly did not say that Roskosmos had made a docking module to him. How did the liberde hang?

    I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 5 June 2020 08: 13 New
      10
      Quote: Moxolov
      No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))

      Quote: Moxolov
      I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))

      I am a supporter of the principle: "Tooth behind Tooth"
      1. Moxolov
        Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Insurgent
        I am a supporter of the principle "tooth for tooth"

        I also don’t bast and snarl to the best of my ability, but there are too many of them here .. hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 June 2020 08: 42 New
          +3
          not chic brit ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: novel xnumx
            not chic brit ...

            Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight.

            hi
            It turns out Rogozin said to the Mask: "Climb, buddy, - the head crawled through, it will crawl through the ass" winked
            1. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 09: 13 New
              +3
              but in vain !! if you are not a cat! lol hi hi
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: novel xnumx
                but in vain !! if you are not a cat! lol hi hi

                Cat, that's good. Something begins to feel like a repeat of the East Prussian operation ... Not far from the order to "respect Churchill, tfu you crying then bish ... mask "
                1. novel66
                  novel66 5 June 2020 09: 46 New
                  +2
                  send a truck and bring it to the scum ??
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    send a truck and bring it scow??

                    Rum, in my opinion, women were not sent to the ISS this time winked
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 5 June 2020 09: 53 New
                      +2
                      Nah, scow, which is full of mullet ....
                    2. Terenin
                      Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      Nah, scow, which is full of mullet ....

                      There is a version that: winked
                      "There was no mullet in Odessa, he lied about who wrote the song, but our Kostya lived without sorrow, he bought a mullet in Turkey and loaded it with a scow, only brought it to Odessa ..."
                    3. novel66
                      novel66 5 June 2020 10: 00 New
                      +3
                      from Turkey usually imported tobacco .. smuggling ... the main income in Odessa
                    4. Terenin
                      Terenin 5 June 2020 10: 03 New
                      +3
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      from Turkey usually imported tobacco .. smuggling ... the main income in Odessa

                      Let's hope that Ukrainian customs officers read us yes
                    5. novel66
                      novel66 5 June 2020 10: 04 New
                      +4
                      they have long been in the lane .. well Gena .. tradition ..
                    6. free_flier
                      free_flier 6 June 2020 11: 55 New
                      +2
                      If they begin to wool the tobacco business in the 404th from Monday, then they will be pierced right away - they will calculate among them readers of the Russian resource, and even which one - “Military Review” !!!
    2. Moxolov
      Moxolov 5 June 2020 09: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      It turns out Rogozin said to the Mask: "Climb, buddy, - the head crawled through, it will crawl through the ass"

      It turns out that way wink .. The trap turned out notable! And then the vaunted articles about the "conquest of the US" of space in the internet suddenly stopped abruptly, as if on command .. Only here the idolaters of "US supremacy" are minus from anger .. Let's see what happens next.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: Moxolov
        Here only idolaters minus from anger

        So you noticed winked
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 June 2020 09: 47 New
          +2
          So you noticed
          bad people lol
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 5 June 2020 09: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            So you noticed
            bad people lol

            Good people sit at home and will not hang around sites ... laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 09: 54 New
              0
              no, well, here we are ... request
            2. Terenin
              Terenin 5 June 2020 10: 00 New
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              no, well, here we are ... request

              And who said that this is not our home? wink
            3. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 10: 00 New
              +2
              yes there are all sorts ..
            4. Terenin
              Terenin 5 June 2020 10: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: novel xnumx
              yes there are all sorts ..

              What are you doing? belay Then ran to work hi
            5. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 10: 05 New
              +3
              happy ... and I'm sitting on the pope exactly ...
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 June 2020 10: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      Good people sit at home and will not hang around sites ...

      In masks and gloves you can. laughing
  • Moxolov
    Moxolov 5 June 2020 10: 57 New
    -1
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: Moxolov
    Here only idolaters minus from anger

    So you noticed winked

    They are watching, some banned)))) They threaten .. So it’s funny to read them wink
    I don’t take offense at them hi
  • Kart
    Kart 5 June 2020 10: 22 New
    10
    They stopped with the onset of riots in the United States. It was not up to the Mask.
  • PilotS37
    PilotS37 5 June 2020 10: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: Moxolov
    It turns out. That is so .. The trap turned out notable! And something vaunted articles about the "conquest of the United States" of space in the internet suddenly stopped abruptly, as if on command .. Only here the idolaters of "US supremacy" are minus from anger .. Let's see what happens next.

    Yes, I remember, here the other day such apologetics pearl: and 7 crew members, and reusable ...
    He spat, and did not read to the end! But now how it all turns ... Stuck, it seems ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 35 New
      0
      It’s just that the author is not aware that Dragon 2 will be docked to the ISS until August - checks and tests of the ship in orbit continue.
    2. free_flier
      free_flier 6 June 2020 11: 58 New
      -1
      It’s good that they didn’t send seven, I suppose, like cockroaches, and they would start to eat plastic with paper until the fall.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 11 June 2020 15: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Terenin
    ... Rogozin told Musk: "Climb, buddy ...:

    Gentlemen hi , time will show whether Ilonushka is right or mistaken and beautifully spread everyone into grandmothers, but he definitely can’t take one away from him - a person is endowed with considerable ambitions and organizational abilities: to promote such a project, and even attract a lot of other people's / state money, is handsome.
  • letinant
    letinant 5 June 2020 08: 34 New
    +3
    No need to excite them again, but now they will run in ..)))

    I also tried to hint at this, so they immediately stumbled, they knocked out a tooth ..))))

    Not only did you suffer in this machah. There already
    military_cat
    manifested. The son’s mask is over.
    XÆA-12
    and Rogozin’s sons,
    Fedor and Artyom
    .
    1. Super
      Super 5 June 2020 08: 58 New
      +5
      Fedor is also a robot.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 5 June 2020 13: 37 New
    +6
    Quote: Moxolov
    No need to excite them again, otherwise they will run right now ..

    They had a "holiday" on Sunday (I then also picked up the minuses for a year in advance), and now they have quieted down something. It's strange. Even somehow boring, without heart-rending screams about "a technical genius of all times and peoples", "an unsurpassed rocket made in a garage on a knee", "Space x staff" only 6000 people, but jack-of-all-trades "," torn to pieces by Roscosmos "(I've already heard this somewhere), and other interesting things. laughing
    By the way, where did the reusable media go? Live broadcast, there was a video from the first stage. The brake engines were preliminarily worked out, the aerodynamic rudders moved forward, and the clouds had already begun to pass. Well, I think, another minute and we'll see the landing (the most advertised skate of the "Falcon"). Three seconds of video from the landing barge was immediately shown. AND EVERYTHING!... Where did you take the rocket? Then countless interviews and only the next day stated that "the stage made a successful landing." Staged a world-class show, live broadcast. And from the ship, and from the cosmodrome, from the first stage, from the second stage, from the flight control center, from everywhere, even from the landing barge. But they showed anything, just not a live landing. What happened, who to believe?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 44 New
      -6
      And the landing of the first step on the barge was shown - only you seem to have looked at 9. 42 - the keen eye is probably no longer a diamond
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 5 June 2020 15: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        They showed the first step landing on the barge - only you seem to have overlooked it at 9. 42

        Specially watched the live broadcast. No landing was shown. The fact that your video is mounted later, this is not in the original. In addition, even in your version, it is not landing that is shown, but a step after landing.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 June 2020 18: 27 New
          -4
          "It's not in the original, edited later." At 4 hours 27 minutes Original if you are blind this is your problem.
          1. zlobny tatarin
            zlobny tatarin 6 June 2020 08: 42 New
            +1
            He looked through all his eyes, but did not see the landing live. Just a black screen, and then a standing step.
            They make a fool of our brother, even they could not do a normal installation.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 June 2020 12: 30 New
              0
              There is not any kind of montage of the entire broadcast online - finish raving.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Insurgent
    Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

    Yes, it already speaks about something.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 5 June 2020 08: 56 New
    -1
    and the first step has returned or not. Che do not show.
    1. Kart
      Kart 5 June 2020 10: 29 New
      +8
      There was a video on launch day on YouTube. There, these steps landed synchronously.
      But in general, we don’t know, maybe this was a video from another launch.
      They still will not say.
      Well, the video itself ... The bravura voice of the announcer, in which the boastful tone of "great America" ​​simply hits through the lid. And in some places, for example, during takeoff, the sections of the steps are superimposed with enthusiastic cries of the crowd, applause of many thousands, and so on.
      You expect every second that proud and strong faces will soon appear in the frame, staring at the sky against the backdrop of the American flag. Three, a woman, an African American, and a gay. And that would proud gay tear rolled for his great country.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 June 2020 11: 15 New
        +3
        You can just take pictures from space drillers from the movie with Bruce Willis! Everything has already been shot and mounted .. :) Paphos to catch up - this is better for the Americans than ours, that's for sure ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 47 New
          -2
          There are so many jambs of a technical and physical plan that only a blind person will not notice them - Hollywood is not able to make films in any other way.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 June 2020 11: 16 New
      +6
      "has the first stage returned or not" ////
      ----
      Returned, as usual. For 52 launches of Falcon-9 there were only 2-3 failures with the return
      1st stage.
      1. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 5 June 2020 11: 29 New
        -1
        Do not forget to share links to the source, otherwise it's idle talk!
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 5 June 2020 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Returned, as usual. For 52 launches of Falcon-9 there were only 2-3 failures with the return
        1st stage.

        How do you know?
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  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 5 June 2020 10: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Insurgent
    Barely found ... 106 "cons" from NASA idolaters and Elon Musk

    All the former local "virologists" are now retrained as experts in astronautics. laughing
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 5 June 2020 12: 19 New
    0
    Uh-uh! The author, you ... be careful, when I pointed out such a "cyclicality" in the US space tread, they "presented" more than a hundred "negative" ones (now I will look exactly how much and I will clarify laughing) ...


    If only you hi drinks
  • mark2
    mark2 5 June 2020 18: 31 New
    0
    I will add a plus for compensation. no, thanks winked
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 June 2020 07: 54 New
    +1
    Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 5 June 2020 08: 02 New
      14
      Quote: parusnik
      Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair


      This one? belay

      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        This one?

        No, this one.
    2. novel66
      novel66 5 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +4
      immediately remembered! Kies-Kiss again stuck !!
    3. Moxolov
      Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 55 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Apparently, somewhere the button stuck ... Fuse ... repair

      Well, if so .. Worse if, this capsule is not able to return to the ground, and Russia will be accused of this "As if not high-quality docking systems were sold" Again, they will impose sanctions))))
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 5 June 2020 07: 55 New
    -1
    it seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS .... apparently they did not really believe in the success of the mission ...
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 5 June 2020 08: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Pvi1206
      It seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS

      And we can they, already getting ready to sail off, agreed with ours "on the road"? Well, it started ...
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 5 June 2020 08: 31 New
        +1
        NASA wants Benken and Hurley to remain aboard the ISS until the next Dragon arrives. It will take from one to three months, a maximum of 111 days, NASA reported.

        https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/05/31/85625-drakon-ilona-maska-otpravilsya-v-kosmos
        The astronauts will spend at the station from 30 to 119 days, and then return to Earth.

        https://vc.ru/future/130119-vy-nahodites-zdes-pochemu-pervyy-pilotiruemyy-zapusk-spacex-vazhen-dlya-ilona-maska-i-chto-on-budet-delat-dalshe
        It is expected that two new astronauts will spend in orbit from one to four months. The duration of their stay depends on the condition of the ship - if all systems work properly, the mission will be long.

        https://3dnews.ru/1012270
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 5 June 2020 08: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      it seems that the Americans did not develop a program of stay on the ISS .... apparently they did not really believe in the success of the mission ...

      And now they improvise belay ?
      1. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 15: 31 New
        0
        Dear, it is not necessary to laugh, but to be interested in the essence of the issue. At least read the NASA website https://nbbd.com/events/nasa.html in the "News" section. There and about the estimated flight duration it is said, another 30.05. Otherwise, how will they begin to perceive Petrosyan?
    3. hohol95
      hohol95 5 June 2020 08: 30 New
      -1
      You want to say that wreaths with mourning ribbons were also prepared with obituaries ... Just in case ... Just like that ...
      1. Kart
        Kart 5 June 2020 11: 32 New
        +3
        You won’t believe it, but they usually do that. What do they have, what do we have.
        This is a very dangerous process in which almost nothing can be changed since the launch of the carrier engine.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 50 New
          -1
          On a manned ship in the event of a carrier accident, you can start the CAC.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 June 2020 07: 55 New
    +4
    Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 5 June 2020 08: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.

      But "these comrades" got out. For grub they work as loaders.
      1. Moxolov
        Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Polite Elk
        But "these comrades" got out. For grub they work as loaders.

        To return them back to the Soyuz ...))))) laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2020 08: 11 New
      17
      They flew for 30 days, with the possibility of extension to 90. At the same time, the deadline for returning has already been announced - no later than August 28, 2020.

      And this is even before the flight + in broadcast launch 10 times repeated. The author simply had nothing else to throw. So I decided so.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 5 June 2020 08: 18 New
        -1
        Another interesting news related to this launch: it went so well and smoothly that NASA allowed the use of flying Dragons and returned first steps to deliver people repeatedly, although earlier, despite the reusability inherent in them, it was planned to make completely new ship and rocket for reinsurance for every new launch.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 June 2020 08: 37 New
          +3
          Well, they would have thrown better. Well, one could write an article:
          New Adventure Mask !!! Another Starship tore at the stand !!! Not a revolution, but a scam!

          Or "The next Starlink satellites have been launched into orbit, astronomers are in a rage, another launch and under the" astronomlivesmatter "posters they will burn down the plant !!!"

          And this is a sketch in the style of:
          Why is the union not returning to earth right now, as I want ??? Probably found a hole again, they think how to seal !!!
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 5 June 2020 12: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: military_cat
          Another interesting news related to this launch: it went so well and smoothly that NASA allowed the use of flying Dragons and returned first steps to deliver people again,

          Yes, NASA doesn’t care what happens to people - the agency is not responsible for the Dragons and only washes hands, because then all the failures will be written off to the Mask. I already said earlier that after the failure with the shuttles and the death of the astronauts, the combination was most likely conceived to rid the government agency of the scandals that occurred after accidents with human casualties. That's why they so easily handed over the documentation and part of the financing to the Mask in order to stay away from failure, and at the same time maintain their structure and budget, although not in full.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 52 New
            -5
            Tie up with your fantasy.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 5 June 2020 17: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              Tie up with your fantasy.

              You seem to have no idea what money NASA spent on a futile program:
              Actually, all the main problems of the Shuttle program lie precisely in the economic plane. And no matter how you rearrange the various components, nothing good happens. By 2010, program costs exceeded $ 200 billion, and the launch price rose to 420 million.
              For comparison: manned launches of the “unions” currently cost from 50 to 100 million dollars (the exact amount is unknown, the approximate numbers have been called many times and are checked against the amounts for which the launch is insured).
              The Space Shuttle program was created “on scale”. It was assumed that with a large number of launches of one shuttle, the economies of scale would work, which would reduce the cost of one launch in the long term. Alas, the work on checking, sorting and preparing space planes for the next flight turned out to be much more than the calculated ones. As a result, the cost of launches only grew. At the same time, NASA could not do anything about it. You could try to increase the number of launches by performing the simplest missions to launch spacecraft, but using the expensive Shuttle in such a situation would only worsen the situation.
              As a result, a paradoxical situation arose: with an increase in launches, the prime cost of each not only did not decrease, but, on the contrary, increased.
              And, comparing the money "flew off the shuttle" with those that would have been spent by the standard method, NASA management sobbed during each launch.

              https://zen.yandex.ru/media/warhead/proval-ili-proryv-razbiraem-proekt-space-shuttle-5e71d5e37fd03e050f50117b
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 5 June 2020 18: 48 New
                -2
                What do you take as an example, the Shuttles designed and built almost 50 years ago, almost all the largest manufacturers of rocket and space industry in the USA worked on it almost from scratch, since at that time no one in the world did such spaceships of course the program will be golden - they hoped to get a cheap transport system in the hope of the massive development of space research and the construction of orbital space stations for launching large satellites into orbit. The shuttle far outstripped its time and became a model of the desired ambitions and results that did not correspond to the time in which it was created and applied.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 5 June 2020 19: 07 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  What do you bring Shuttles as an example

                  And the experience of creating new systems is universal for all types of equipment. You are probably not one of the designers, so you don’t know that they are starting to learn something from the experience of the past and what they have achieved abroad before starting something.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  they then hoped to get a cheap transportation system in the hope of massive development of space research

                  And Musk expects that he will be inundated with launch orders due to the low cost of his system.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The shuttle far outstripped its time and became a model of the desired ambitions and results that did not correspond to the time in which it was created and applied.

                  He did not overtake a damn, because the reliability of the system was much less than expected, and the loss of two ships, even with a small load, put an end to the whole program. If this program were successful, then Musk would not be needed - NASA would develop this direction, and not close this project.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 6 June 2020 00: 09 New
                    -4
                    Mask has everything technically and economically justified in the direction and ambitions of its time - cheap start-up, return first stage, minimal costs for creation, maintenance and a compact office. And here, a large small load in the 1986th, the rubber sealing membrane was stuck and lost the sealing properties of the TTRD nozzle; because of this, it burned the accelerator mounting rod, it came off and hit the oxygen tank due to this Shuttle and died. After this accident, the turbojet engine was redone. Colombia died in 2003 when it left the orbit due to damage to the heat-shielding coating caused by the fall of the oxygen-hydrogen tank at the start of the thermal insulation. Reliability would have been much higher, but the government was greedy for the titanium case and the very numerous corporations that created the Shuttle lifted up the price for everything else, and it turned out to be an expensive unreliable and difficult to maintain USSR, in fact, they stepped on the same rake, though the Buran case was not made of aluminum alloy a from scandium but at the same time installed it on a complex and expensive rocket. NASA turned to a private office that already launched its Falcon 1 rockets and did not fail. Musk and his team created a simple and cheap rocket with a reusable first stage for not much money, as well as a reusable cargo ship on which they worked out thermal protection control and much more in 19 starts to the ISS and touchdowns, all that is now used on Dragon 2.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 6 June 2020 11: 55 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Mask has everything technically and economically justified in the direction and ambitions of his time

                      So far these are all words, but it is necessary to judge after several years of operation, carefully calculating all the costs, including the lost media.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Moreover, there is a large small load

                      Because it is under heavy load that reusable systems become cost-effective and outperform single-use systems.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      NASA turned to a private office that already launched its Falcon 1 rockets and did not fail

                      They generally faced redundancies and responsibilities to various commissions that looked for reasons for shuttle failures in order to cut costs for NASA. That is why they "found" a non-specialist Musk, so as not to suffer themselves later and created an advertisement for him.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 6 June 2020 12: 41 New
                        +1
                        All this works in practice and removes loads, and it’s cheap because the stage is used several times and this significant savings in service costs can not be compared with the cost of producing a new stage - already two stages have brought the payload five times each. Now the scheme of returning the first steps is used and will be used in all private offices because it is really effective that these guys know how to count money, do not consider them fools.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 6 June 2020 13: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        All this works in practice and displays loads and it’s cheap.

                        And why then shuttle shut down forever?
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Now the scheme of the returned first steps is used and will be used in all private offices

                        Two or three accidents will shake your confidence, as well as the sponsors of the Mask.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        these guys know how to count money; do not consider them fools.

                        We have already heard this with shuttles, with invisible fighters and other projects of the Americans. True, for nine years they could not send their astronauts into orbit without us, and our engines are still read the best.
    3. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 5 June 2020 08: 56 New
      +5
      Nevertheless, it is interesting to deal with this case ...
      Either this is an experimental flight and additional checks are required (and during the experiment all sorts of if ... then return in June ... July ... BUT no later than XX) this is one topic and it is quite understandable ...
      Because any delay is the station’s resources (of course, with a margin but you need to calculate it) plus changing the configuration and mass of the station ... you’ll probably need to spend fuel on maintaining / correcting the orbit ... that’s why different speculations are born ...
      Let's see ... August is coming ...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 June 2020 09: 08 New
        +2
        Well, so they closed flight testing and docking. Now they need to spend at least 20-30 days in space to check the condition of the ship in a long stay in orbit, how the systems behave, are there any failures in the test switches to the autonomous system after say 20 days of work from the ISS?

        All this needs to be tested.

        The crew (demo 2) is prepared specifically for work with the ship. On the ISS it will be attracted to a limited extent (well, by the type of unloading a truck, collecting garbage and waste and loading a truck from orbit, etc.)

        A real crew with real experimentation and a scientific program is the next USCV-1. Probably autumn 2020. If this goes well. And he flies for six months by the way.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 5 June 2020 12: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: donavi49
          On the ISS it will be attracted to a limited extent (well, by the type of unloading a truck, collecting garbage and waste and loading a truck from orbit, etc.)

          As in a joke about a Chukchi astronaut and a monkey. In the Chukche instructions: "Feed the monkey and don't touch anything!"
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 12: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: Captain45
            In the Chukche instructions: "Feed the monkey and don't touch anything!"

            This is about the Vietnamese astronaut. Journalists ask him: "What are your hands so red?" "My Russian comrades beat me all the time and said: Don't touch this button, don't pull this lever ...."
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 5 June 2020 13: 11 New
        -2
        The author simply carries nonsense and gag.
        An extension of the mission has long been planned. Since Starliner crap one's pants for himself.
        Allegedly Russian components and the Russian docking adapter.
        This is an IDA adapter assembled by a Boeing and installed on the ISS, which is part of the ISS, not the ship. And from Russian on this adapter, a metal base. Like an iron box for your computer on which everything is already hung.
        1. slipped
          slipped 5 June 2020 23: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Like an iron box for your computer on which everything is already hung.


          According to Syromyatnikov’s recollections, the idea of ​​APAS, an androgynous-peripheral docking unit, appeared among ours because Americans really didn’t want to be ... a mother. laughing
    4. Avior
      Avior 5 June 2020 08: 56 New
      +4
      What they do is understandable.
      They check how the ship behaves after a long stay in space and how long it can be there, while maintaining operability.
      What the new arrivals do is also understandable.
      Engaged in the first place -
      Constantly checking and testing the ship’s systems to catch the slightest changes that occur with the ship in space.
      they checked the ship and flew, in fact.
      And they could not indicate the exact time in advance; they will return as they detect changes in the condition of the ship, which are not necessarily critical.
      Maybe the situation is the other way around - they will see that being in space on the ship does not affect and can be returned after a successful check.
      But NASA must check how long the ship can be in space without problems, being docked to the station, this is a common test of new technology.
  • eklmn
    eklmn 5 June 2020 18: 24 New
    0
    “Time will tell, because the program is not designed for a long stay of these comrades on the ISS.”
    Nah, well, if the Russian toilet is clogged, then they will quickly return !!!
    NASA first said 14 days, but after checking Dragon, it said 119 days.
  • knn54
    knn54 5 June 2020 07: 57 New
    +6
    The unreliability of rescue engines of the descent vehicle?
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 5 June 2020 13: 04 New
      +3
      Yes, nope ... everything is super-duper (s) reliable. The members of the forum just jinxed them - they wrote that takeoff was only half the battle. Although mysticism is not the case; maybe they just didn't pour it on the road, so they don't leave ... smile
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    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Bravo
      Bravo Crew Dragon spacecraft from Space X, who was asked to linger in orbit

      Well, and for what reason?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 June 2020 08: 03 New
    +1
    All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.

    Let's wait with .... we have something to do with that. I hope the resources are up there, they will have enough ... or another "dragan" will be driven up.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 5 June 2020 08: 34 New
      +1
      They know how to brew coffee ...
      "May's mom makes coffee ... Maybe we'll wait for my mom ..." There was such a song for a singer named Igorok!
  • Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 08: 03 New
    -7
    The name of the ship, as you certainly know, is translated as, dragon crew. Therefore, the phrase: and you, Dragon Crew, I will ask you to stay, it sounds quite in Russian. But the crew, the Dragon Crew, sounds strange. For all dictionaries, this translates as, dragon crew, though there is another translation, but I won’t write it.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 5 June 2020 17: 24 New
      0
      The first letter in this word is C, not G. Therefore, "Dragon's crew" and not "Gray Dragon". I didn't want to offend the fans of a certain Sasha Gray.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 June 2020 08: 08 New
    -2
    Is the Maskophile Sabbath Over? Does the maskophobia parade begin? Also an interesting sight ... But if the truth is with the Dragon problems? And if unsolvable? So how now to unload this crowd from the ISS?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2020 08: 12 New
      +6
      This is the problem's author - the initial mission of 30 days to the ISS (not from the start), extension to 90.
      Douglas Hurley and Robert Behnken will work alongside the crew of Expedition 63 for 30 to 90 days, meaning the landing of the spacecraft will occur no later than 28 August 2020.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And if unsolvable? So how now to unload this crowd from the ISS?

      Let them sit, they threw grub on the Japanese "wagon", they won't die of hunger.
      1. Genry
        Genry 5 June 2020 12: 04 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Let them sit, they threw grub on the Japanese "wagon", they won't die of hunger.

        A toilet will not break? Can the waste processing and recovery unit (toilet) cope?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 5 June 2020 12: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: Genry
          A toilet will not break? Can the waste processing and recovery unit (toilet) cope?

          Yes, on the drum .... After the last toilet accident, there was an agreement on the ISS - each one shits in his own pot and the rest do not go to the Russian side of the ISS.
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    1. hohol95
      hohol95 5 June 2020 08: 36 New
      0
      We will wait ... The month of August. And we'll see.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 June 2020 08: 44 New
        +2
        Well, if a Boeing flew, then he would hang out there ~ 30 days. On the one hand, overtake the Mask in their competition, on the other hand, it will adapt to the ISS schedule (it would be loaded onto the track).

        A new re-mission, since it did not work outrun the mask, will last 8-12 days.

        But then Boe-CFT - with these guys flies to the ISS immediately for six months. Bite Mask with no more than 3 months for 2 people wink . However, Musk by that time according to the plan will launch 4 people for half a year too.


        And their spacesuits
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 5 June 2020 08: 50 New
          +3
          Yes, the flag in their hands! Fly congratulations! Do not fly - we will sympathize!
          And if in such a spacesuit they also go into outer space. All of the Order.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 5 June 2020 09: 19 New
            0
            Quote: hohol95
            And if in such a spacesuit they also go into outer space. All of the Order.

            Posthumously belay crying ?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 June 2020 09: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: donavi49
          On the one hand, overtake the Mask in their competition, on the other hand, it will adapt to the ISS schedule (it would be loaded onto the track).

          Well, if there is only one docking complex on the ISS, then Musk may not want to undock his Dragon. Prevents Boeing from taking a place at the ISS.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 5 June 2020 08: 34 New
    +3
    Rumor has it that Dmitry Rogozin acted as the main stimulator for the American flight. His "trampolines" hurt American partners so much,

    There is a suspicion that Musk's "trampoline" served as an accelerator for the signing of a contract between the Ministry of Defense and the Khrunichev Center for the Angara launch vehicle ... Still, it was necessary to give a kick .... to accelerate the thought process.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 5 June 2020 12: 23 New
      0
      Still, it was necessary to give a kick .... to give acceleration to the process of thought.


      It should always be given and as a rule to everyone
    2. slipped
      slipped 6 June 2020 00: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      There is a suspicion that Musk's "trampoline" served as an accelerator for the signing of a contract between the Ministry of Defense and the Khrunichev Center for the Angara launch vehicle ...


      It is not necessary to produce entities where they are not. laughing The reason is different. By the way, under this contract, the cost of one A5, taking into account delivery and preparation in equivalent, is ~ $ 64 million.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 June 2020 10: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: slipped
        It is not necessary to produce entities where they are not. The reason is different.

        And called the reason? Your attempts to mow under the philosopher are somewhat presumptuous. The coincidence of these two events, the flight of the dragon and the contract, may be completely accidental, although there is no doubt that they both moved along the parallel paths for quite a long time. You don’t disclose the reason, but it is understandable anyway - the desire to push financing, and therefore, the practical implementation of some of the major defense industry projects (this contract is not the only one, there are several of them). And, most likely, the decision was made at a higher level than the Russian Defense Ministry. Obviously, there are tendencies to complications in these areas.
        1. slipped
          slipped 6 June 2020 12: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Hagen
          [Your attempts to mow under the philosopher are somewhat presumptuous. The coincidence of these two events, the flight of the dragon and the contract, can be completely accidental, although there is no doubt that they both moved along parallel paths for quite a long time.


          To me, your desire to at least somehow explain the events occurring in our RKO by the flight of not our Dragon is understandable. laughing The crow experienced something similar in one famous fable. lol

          Quote: Hagen
          You don’t disclose the reason, but it is understandable anyway - the desire to push financing, and therefore, the practical implementation of some of the major defense industry projects (this contract is not the only one, there are several of them).


          See, however, that this has nothing to do with the flight of the Dragon. laughing Our MO just wants to switch to a new type of carrier in time.
  • Break through
    Break through 5 June 2020 08: 37 New
    +2
    That's great. Let them fly on their ships now, and we on our own.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 June 2020 08: 38 New
    +3
    A blank article.
    We gloated, listed the rumors, reminded us that they didn’t go down and that’s all.

    Specificity, konkpetika where?
  • olhon
    olhon 5 June 2020 08: 46 New
    +2
    As they say, Smiled. All with Friday!
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    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 5 June 2020 08: 59 New
      -2
      Patriotism is still a disease ..))
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 5 June 2020 09: 02 New
    -2
    They didn’t listen to D. Rogozin in vain. Would buy a trampoline, it would be cheaper and calmer. But in any case, I’m glad for the minke whales.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 5 June 2020 09: 16 New
    +2
    The article is an empty chatter with attempts at irony.
    1. Dimka75
      Dimka75 5 June 2020 09: 26 New
      -3
      The author is "slightly intoxicated ..."
      Ps. Do not write on the Internet in this condition, especially on Friday.
  • U-58
    U-58 5 June 2020 09: 37 New
    -2
    Today is Friday, the 5th, not the 13th. And even more so, not on April 1.
    So the author’s playful tone somehow doesn’t carry away ...
  • DVR
    DVR 5 June 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    Thank you, cheered up)
  • 1536
    1536 5 June 2020 10: 14 New
    +4
    This is how the new Hollywood movie is seen: America's best minds are struggling to return the spacecraft from the ISS to earth. After all, it is clear that having docked with the help of some "antediluvian" Russian system, and even the jackhammers of a well-known American company had to be used in order to somehow start it, now there are problems with undocking the most advanced compressor station in the history of mankind. Astronauts cannot abandon their spacecraft and land on the Russian Soyuz, much less in the cargo hold of a Japanese spacecraft. Of course, according to tradition, they invite a famous oilman (for this role it’s better to take some unknown artist, but white (by color, of course), which is waiting for when in his native Texas it will be possible to print his own shale oil well to pump oil from the ground, and in parallel receive $ 100 directly from the sky for each pumped barrel. With nothing to do, he beats his slut wife for a spilled coffee, caresses a shaggy mutt dog, his favorite, and drinks whiskey in a local saloon. "What to do?" - Ask the oilman’s comrade the functionaries from NASA (all-black Americans), who finally found the honored savior of American technology. "Better tell me who is to blame ?!" he answers thoughtfully. "You don't love this country!" - they say to him, without specifying which one (well, if M. Freeman can be attracted for this statement). "Yes, I will give my life for this country." - the guy answers. - "Go!" At the end of the film, everyone returns to Earth, our oilman falls in love with the daughter of the US president, she reciprocates, and his slut wife, meanwhile, flees to Mexico to the local drug dealer, who turned out to be her old lover, and dies at the hands of local police. Everyone is happy and alive. The path to the stars is free. Hooray, comrades!
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 15: 56 New
      -1
      Read at least NASA press releases. There is also about the estimated duration of the flight and much more unknown to the author of the article. But the script turned out to be quite good. Feel free to send to Hollywood. Just do not mess with American translators, they will inflate you with volume like Poplar in due time.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 5 June 2020 10: 57 New
    +3
    The classic scheme, put a private person responsible for everything, and in case of failure, throw him to eat the crowd
  • Boris63
    Boris63 5 June 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    Here, of course, it turns out interesting ... Since the dragon is delayed, then these friends too. Is there enough food for everyone? The exceptional have their own food. And then the question comes up, if the United States does not have enough food for its own, it is necessary to send a truck. How many docking points does the American segment have ...? And you may get an option, even if not a trampoline, but again they will bow to us ... "Take some food for our pilots."
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      There, the insects are stocked up a year in advance. After the event that Progress + Dragon in 2015 simultaneously decided to replenish the ocean grouping, the food reserves on the ISS were increased significantly.

      Plus, I repeat, the planned calculation is a 30-90 days mission. They didn’t even choose the minimum norm, and if they return now, then this is just an emergency.

      There are enough docking nodes there. Next to the Dragon - 6t barrel Kounotori unloaded and loaded with garbage. 6t = 3 Progress at a time.

      Now on the ISS - Progress 14 and County. In July, 15 Progress flies, followed by 14 Swan.
      1. slipped
        slipped 6 June 2020 12: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Now on the ISS - Progress 14 and County. In July, 15 Progress flies, followed by 14 Swan.


        The names of the ships you brought disorient, you can take for the numbers of starts. laughing More correct is Progress MS-14 and Progress MS-15 and CyAres NG-14 Cygnus, or, in the western classification, Progress - 75, Progress - 76 and NG-14.

        MS-14 unloading also continues

  • Anton Sokolov
    Anton Sokolov 5 June 2020 11: 30 New
    +2
    so it was immediately said that the Dragon will stay in orbit for 1 to 4 months ..
  • pytar
    pytar 5 June 2020 11: 34 New
    +3
    When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

    The author clearly did not follow the statements of NASA and SpaceX. From the very beginning of the flight, they said that the Crew Dragon will remain in orbit for an indefinite period, limited only by the state of degradation of solar cells.
    Usually they have special radiation protection, which allows them to work for a year, but since the Dragon’s first flight from the crew to the sides is a test one, they put ordinary batteries with a limited lifetime.
    Here is the opinion of the Russian astronomer Surdin about SpaceX, Ilon Mask, the colonization of Mars and extraterrestrial life. Fairly objective and unbiased in my opinion.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 8 June 2020 10: 09 New
      0
      SB without a protective coating - it was just somewhere overweight and squeezed into the right mass with batteries of small blood. All subsequent flights will be with normal Sat, gravity is found and correctly resolved.
      The most interesting thing is that it is on a ship in 4 official (certified) places or 7 unofficial. Somewhere they missed the calculations that they had to apply such measures laughing
      1. pytar
        pytar 8 June 2020 21: 58 New
        0
        SB without a protective coating - it was just somewhere overweight and squeezed into the right mass with batteries of small blood.

        Most likely saved. Elon Musk knows how to count money. After all, the flight is testable. It makes no sense to put expensive SB living 2 years if the flight will be no more than 3 months. And for such a period, ordinary SBs are quite enough. Then they will put with a protective UF - coating.
        The most interesting thing is that it is on a ship in 4 official (certified) places or 7 unofficial. Somewhere they missed the calculations that they had to apply such measures

        As far as I listened to the messages from Spasseks, 4 places, only in flights with NASA crews. Due to insurance cost considerations. Astronauts insure crazy money. And so, in flights with tourists or with astronauts from other countries, there will be 7 ro.
  • borberd
    borberd 5 June 2020 11: 55 New
    +2
    I don’t know where the author got the info about that Dragon was supposed to return in a couple of days? Initially, before takeoff, it was said about 3 months. And more interestingly, who was supposed to unload the Japanese truck, aliens chtol? belay
  • Sova
    Sova 5 June 2020 12: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Carte
    Resubmitted in orbit.


    good

    Choose the safest place laughing

    Well, yes, it’s not calm in the USA, still getting on your knees to get up and ask for forgiveness.
  • Tims
    Tims 5 June 2020 12: 06 New
    -1
    Notes of the Crazy Patriot
  • Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 5 June 2020 12: 39 New
    +3
    Can't the Hurley stay? They are fed, they are not driven into the street.
    Well, maybe there is some kind of wiring that has decayed or the locks of the docking unit have bitten ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 5 June 2020 12: 53 New
    +3
    Ehh, I scooped up a bunch of minuses for such sarcasm ...

    Not that the minuses hurt me, but rather the mental development of the minusers, the furious Mask fans who cannot eat without the help of American astronautics)
  • Dargavs
    Dargavs 5 June 2020 13: 53 New
    0
    Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

    Another thing is interesting, I haven’t seen it anywhere: return modules have already flown earlier and will these modules fly next time?
  • Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 5 June 2020 14: 00 New
    -4
    In fact, once every forty years. The shuttle took off in 1981. But we are still every 60 years, and every year this period is growing (modernization does not count). So this tone of the article is somewhat inappropriate. But 25 billion rubles are allocated for the new building of Roscosmos.
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 14: 30 New
    +1
    The crew faces are suspiciously pleased. I don’t know what the Americans were unloading from and from which module, but it seems that until it ends, they will not part. Fit well! laughing
  • Old26
    Old26 5 June 2020 14: 34 New
    +2
    The article is more like a banter, not a review. What is only the phrase of the author
    When the ship returns, they do not say either in NASA or in SpaceX. Why they didn’t return to the “open windows” indicated earlier, they don’t say either. Instead, they talk about the anniversary of the first flight of the Falcon 9 - the very launch vehicle that sent Crew Dragon into low Earth orbit.

    All in all, Benken and Hurley on Earth have already been waiting. If loaf baking existed in the American tradition, then by that moment it would have solidified in anticipation.

    But what is easier. go to the right resource and read that the landing is planned for August 28, 2020.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 15: 52 New
      +1
      More precisely - no later than August 28, 2020
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 June 2020 14: 58 New
    0
    Instead of this garbage sucked out of your finger, the author would have brought this news under the heading "Let's talk about science"
    A group of physicists from the Ural Federal University, the Institute of Metal Physics (IPM) of the Ural Branch of the RAS and the Institute of Materials Science named after Leibniz (Bremen, Germany) for the first time in the world synthesized with the help of 3D printing permanent magnets with high coercive force without the use of heavy rare-earth metals. The breakthrough work of Ural and German scientists paves the way to obtaining effective permanent magnets of any given geometric shape using additive technologies. Researchers published an article on experiments and their results in the prestigious journal Acta Materialia.

    “We have achieved an almost twofold increase in the coercive force of magnets. Today it is the best result in the world for additive technologies for the production of permanent magnets. The absolute value of the coercivity of our magnets is more than a third higher compared to world analogues. In this case, it is fundamentally important that alloy infiltration into grain boundaries occurs simultaneously with 3D printing of magnets. A one-step synthesis of magnets using additive technologies was performed for the first time, ”emphasizes Aleksey Volegov, senior lecturer at the Department of Magnetism and Magnetic Nanomaterials, senior researcher at the Department of Solid State Magnetism of the Ural Federal University and the Laboratory of Magnetism and Magnetic Nanostructures of the IPM UB RAS.

    Now research scientists are laboratory, experimental in nature. Work, including on increasing the coercive force of microcrystalline magnets, is ongoing. The goal is a cost-effective serial 3D production of permanent magnets with a high coercive force and a diverse configuration without the use of heavy rare-earth elements.

    The basis for the manufacture of magnets (in this case, laser sintering) were powders from a nanocrystalline alloy of neodymium, iron and boron. Its advantages are that magnets from this alloy are capable of storing more “magnetic” energy at room temperature than any other type of magnets, and also do not contain expensive cobalt, which is used in lithium-ion batteries. In addition, the necessary compound having high magnetic characteristics can be obtained relatively easily, and the material based on it has a sufficiently high coercive force, that is, it is able to maintain a magnetized state when they try to magnetize it.

    At the same time, the Curie point of the main magnetically solid phase is relatively low: at temperatures above 310 ° C, the material passes from the ferromagnetic state to the paramagnetic state. In other words, it loses spontaneous magnetization, turning magnetically into a "piece of wood." Therefore, temperature above room temperature leads to the fact that the magnetic properties of the substance quickly degrade. This reduces the efficiency and torque of motors that use such magnets.

    Usually this problem is solved by replacing neodymium with heavy rare-earth metals - dysprosium and terbium, and iron with cobalt. But both approaches lead to a decrease in the magnetization of the magnet material and to a rise in the cost of production, which complicates their application. Therefore, physicists of UrFU, on the one hand, used a highly coercive material based on a neodymium compound, and on the other, they set the task to increase its coercive force without resorting to heavy rare-earth metals. The solution was to reduce intergranular exchange interaction.

    “We used a powdery alloy based on neodymium of two types: nanocrystalline with a grain size of 25 nanometers and microcrystalline with a grain size of 450 nanometers. In fact, annealing the nanocrystalline alloy at a temperature of 1 ° C for half an hour, we grew crystallites with an average size of 000 nm. The exchange interaction of these grains and the state of the boundary between them determine the hysteretic magnetic properties of the alloys. On the one hand, intergranular interaction allows in some cases to increase the residual magnetization and reduce the content of rare earth metals, on the other hand, it reduces the coercive force. We sought to weaken the intergranular interaction by changing the border between the grains, ”says Alexey Volegov.

    To do this, the researchers introduced into the nanocrystalline and microcrystalline neodymium alloys a eutectic alloy based on rare-earth metals, neodymium and cobalt, milled and brought to a liquid state by laser heating. It is known that these alloys easily diffuse along the grain boundary. Such an operation leads to lower magnetization values; therefore, the content of the introduced alloy in the mixture was minimized to 20%.

    First, the eutectic alloy bound magnetic particles so that a single permanent magnet is formed from individual particles of a neodymium alloy. Secondly, by filling and expanding the border between the grains, he reduced the intergrain interaction. It was found that the coercivity of nanocrystalline magnets is 1,7 times greater than that of microcrystalline magnets.

    We add the research of UrFU scientists and their colleagues from the Institute of Materials Science named after Leibniz is supported by grants from the Ministry of Science and Higher Education of the Russian Federation and the German Science Foundation.

    Help

    Permanent magnets are products made of hard magnetic materials that can maintain a state of magnetization for a long time. They are used as autonomous sources of a magnetic field, for converting mechanical energy into electrical energy and vice versa. Areas of application of permanent magnets - robotics, magnetic resonance imaging, production of wind generators, DC motors, mobile phones, high-quality speakers, household appliances (air conditioners, refrigerators, freezers, cooker hoods), computer hard drives, etc. The use of permanent magnets allows reduce the dimensions of products and increase their efficiency.

    The development of energy and robotics, the miniaturization of high-tech devices, electric and hybrid vehicles require an annual increase in the production of permanent magnets and at the same time improve their magnetic properties. Increasing coercive force is the most important task when modifying permanent magnets.

    UrFU is one of the leading universities in Russia and a participant in the 5-100 project, marks the 2020th century in 2023. The university is located in Yekaterinburg - the capital of the World Student Games of XNUMX. UrFU initiates the creation and performs the functions of the project office of the Ural Interregional Scientific and Educational Center of World Level (REC), which is designed to solve the problems of the national project "Science".
    1. Hog
      Hog 5 June 2020 16: 17 New
      0
      Instead of this garbage sucked out of your finger, the author would have brought this news under the heading "Let's talk about science"

      So it’s not interesting, they need hype.
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 5 June 2020 14: 58 New
    -3
    Of course, you can strangle, but just as Falcon-9 closed the niche of commercial launches for protons, so the dragon closes the niche of launches for unions. Of course, Russia will continue to let its cargoes and its astronauts, but there is no longer any service to others.
    As for the terms of stay, everything is simple - they want to fly longer, but are not sure about the capabilities of the ship. Test flight.
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 5 June 2020 19: 23 New
      +2
      Damn, here .. calculate the cost of starting a dragon and a union. Despite the fact that there will not be a full load in places. There are many times the cost in our favor
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 15: 50 New
    -5
    Why did the author write this article, a mixture of unprofessional campaigning and false information?
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 5 June 2020 16: 33 New
      +3
      The author of the trolls of Americans lovers simply
  • Hog
    Hog 5 June 2020 16: 13 New
    0
    I don’t understand such a stir around the launch of the Dragon, you’re jealous of something, they started and started.
    PS: I hope for my pension and the Federation will be launched.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 5 June 2020 18: 51 New
    +1
    I think I answered your questions? laughing[/ Quote]
    If this is true and true for the nasa money from using our knowledge, then good. But when will we see these devents in action? It is not a sin to raise prices so that they fly on their own.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 5 June 2020 19: 03 New
    +2
    In my opinion everything is simple. NASA does not want to lower its astronauts on the Crew Dragon. Maybe they want to plant this pepelats in automatic mode after sending the Terpigors back on something more reliable. I won’t be surprised if Hurley and Benken come down first (maybe even separately), and then the Manned Dragon, hehe ... drinks
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 5 June 2020 19: 19 New
    +4
    I'll tell you what's the matter. Remember, they wrote that the Americans tried to open the "door" for three hours, I think they cannot close it now. No matter how you have to drown the dragon together with the ISS when it flies away .. and if the dragon is not yet designed for such a long service life ... This already threatens the station itself with serious problems. In general, let's hope that the most high-tech power will cope with the quest and close the door behind itself
  • nnz226
    nnz226 5 June 2020 21: 36 New
    +2
    The problem is not only to take off ("Challenger"), but also to return ("Columbia")! Take off took off, and it's scary to return! It's like in the mountains: the ascent is easier than the descent ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2020 00: 18 New
      -5
      The heat shield has been worked out more than a hundred times on the cargo Dragon on the ground and 19 times in flights on the ISS, Dragon 2 does not have rubber seals and turbojet engines which caused the death of Chelenjeder and also the falling off thermal insulation of the oxygen tank at the start which led to the death of Colombia during the descent into dense layers of the atmosphere. Yes, and the body of the Dragon 2 is made of titanium alloy, unlike the same Shuttles in which it was made of aluminum.
      1. slipped
        slipped 6 June 2020 12: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The heat shield has been worked out more than a hundred times on the cargo Dragon on the ground and 19 times in flights on the ISS, Dragon 2 does not have rubber seals and turbojet engines which caused the death of Chelenjeder and also the falling off thermal insulation of the oxygen tank at the start which led to the death of Colombia during the descent into dense layers of the atmosphere. Yes, and the body of the Dragon 2 is made of titanium alloy, unlike the same Shuttles in which it was made of aluminum.


        For some reason, I remembered the phrase about the return of the last Apollo: "And then they all almost drowned, before that inhaling toxic gas." Black humor like that.
      2. Andrey Komkov
        Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 17: 01 New
        0
        But he has full tanks of high-boiling components for SuperDrago, which NASA has forbidden to use for landing, leaving only the parachute system. And there is the case of the first Crew Dragon, burnt on the sides after landing, which then pulled very spectacularly in preparation for the restart. This is when you consider that the first one just sat on the engines, using all the fuel from the tanks. And the second one with people will be landing on a parachute system with full tanks of high boiling muck.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 6 June 2020 11: 45 New
      +1
      It's like in the mountains: the ascent is easier than the descent .... the ascent to the mountains is fraught with the unexpected. therefore motivated. and the descent. So . tyagomotin
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 6 June 2020 12: 10 New
      0
      Quote: nnz226
      The problem is not only to take off ("Challenger"), but also to return ("Columbia")! Take off took off, and it's scary to return!

      By the way, now after these problems, it is not bad to remember how the Americans "easily" landed and took off from the Moon, and returned to Earth several times without an accident. Smart people immediately understood why the Americans suddenly "remembered" about the difficulties - obviously they themselves are afraid of failure with the first docking of the Musk ship, so they began to "lay straws" in advance.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 June 2020 12: 50 New
        0
        Dragon 2 previously docked with the ISS in the first without a pilot flight - there were no problems with either docking, undocking, or landing - splashdown, and the cargo Dragon docked 19 times using a grab and undocked in the same way. All this has already been worked out.
        1. Andrey Komkov
          Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 17: 02 New
          0
          And who then exploded already on earth?
  • CosmonautTV
    CosmonautTV 5 June 2020 21: 57 New
    +1
    https://youtu.be/2CaoVPgAl1o вот интересная информация
  • dog of war
    dog of war 5 June 2020 23: 38 New
    -3
    Oh, how he "prepares" the local public. We were glad that at last there is a breakthrough in astronautics, but no, it is imperative to be sarcastic.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 5 June 2020 23: 43 New
    +5
    Quote: military_cat
    Previously, with the phrase "yes, they can't even launch a person," they brushed aside everything: from the fact that American vehicles roll on Mars, but Roscosmos does not; that the Americans have a super-heavy rocket, while Roscosmos does not; that the Americans learned to return the stages, while Roskosmos did not, that the Americans were able to make reusable ships of a new generation, and Roskosmos did not, that the Americans made the first ever engine with full gasification of components to come off the ground, but Roscosmos did not. Now these questions stand up to their full height, and there is nothing to dismiss them so that it does not look like a tortured and helpless excuse for their own inability to work normally.


    The hero of capitalist labor, Comrade Ilon, as before Mongolia on four-wheelers.
    Having reached the USSR record of 1961 with the launch of people, the recipient of an unlimited dough, for promises. Have you bought a ticket to Mars yet? Or not 200 thousand green ones? Tell me the address, I will spit you SMS from retirement. I look forward to when all his idolaters get together and fly away to hell. To Mars. One way. In the name of his idol.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2020 13: 11 New
      0
      You can’t ironize his payload for missiles, by third-party customers, 11500 Internet communication satellites have already launched more than 500 of his offices, this year he can celebrate the hundredth launch of his rocket - and you can not compare one office for 7000 people and all the time the USSR payload launches since 1957, a million people worked for the space industry; as well as Russian launches in the space industry, 240000 people work and hundreds of billions of rubles a year. This is how the Russian private office appears, launching a payload - then we will compare ours with SpaceX and other American offices, but it’s very difficult for our team to keep up with competitors. And manned flights to Mars will be monitored by the whole globe - and you will continue to rave that Musk and other crooks are crooks and so on than you and yours have been doing for 10 years already. Good luck in monkey labor.
      1. Andrey Komkov
        Andrey Komkov 7 June 2020 17: 05 New
        +1
        Yeah, astronauts are already sounding the alarm about his pile of satellites. Littering, you know, space. Especially considering that Musk does not disclose the dual purpose of these satellites. What for? Or did the Pentagon just fund this program? Not directly, of course, otherwise the ears of the military would stick out too clearly from the mask's "free Internet for everyone."
    2. Brancodd
      Brancodd 6 June 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      Statistics for 2019
      In 2019, EKA completed 9 starts, including 1 emergency.
      Roscosmos -25 (all trouble-free).
      The United States has 21.
      China - 34 (2 emergency).
      Such is the efficiency in comparison.
      The period without emergency launches of Roscosmos is 1 year and 8 months. In total - 35. This is a record for the entire post-Soviet period.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 5 June 2020 23: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Zorin
    Why did the author write this article, a mixture of unprofessional campaigning and false information?

    Authentic here. From the first person, you can muzzle.
  • iouris
    iouris 6 June 2020 00: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: "An exclusively American, private, independent and competitive spacecraft" End of quote.
    What is your evidence? Musk is a screen behind government structure and funding. This is roughly how the USSR national hockey team is considered "amateurs".
    In addition, the ship has not yet returned (successfully). I don’t hint at anything, but still, for the purity of the experiment, you have to wait until the number of starts exceeds (at least) thirty-three (statistics!).
  • Brancodd
    Brancodd 6 June 2020 02: 08 New
    +3
    An emergency rescue operation is urgently needed. Need Starship2



    or more reliable the original version of StarShip1

  • Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 6 June 2020 06: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    His return was generally originally calculated for August.

    For august? Well, let it be August. And what year, if not secret?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      Here they will tell in more detail
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 6 June 2020 11: 42 New
    0
    the main thing is that there are Russians with stripes there. we are good and share food reserves. but the main thing is healthy competition. but there isn’t yet
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 June 2020 13: 20 New
      0
      Considering that a Japanese truck with six tons of cargo docked at the station and even brought something to the Dragon bot with food, no one would have any problems there.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 7 June 2020 08: 10 New
        0
        A Japanese truck with six tons of cargo, and they brought something to the Dragon bot themselves, no one will have problems there ............ but this should be alarming, because in Japan the main ration is seafood . and as you know, a station like Fukushima still pours 10 tons of radioactive g ... into the ocean and seafood is already allowed only 1000 miles from the eastern coastline, and on the western coast the Sea of ​​Japan is not at all literal, so .... a rhetorical question about Japanese cargo. it’s easier for Russians to ask for reliable nutrition
  • kutuz
    kutuz 6 June 2020 13: 05 New
    -2
    "so hurt American partners" - nonsense! The American partners sneezed at Dmitry Rogozin along with these trampolines.