The break lasted 9 years. U.S. spacecraft with astronauts docked to ISS

The American company SpaceX reported on the docking of the Crew Dragon spacecraft with the International Space Station. From the message of the company representatives: "The docking is confirmed - the Dragon crew arrived on the ISS." At the same time, the docking procedure was broadcast from the manned spacecraft. The break in such flights (on their own ships) for the United States was 9 years.

During the docking, as reported by NASA, the spacecraft docked to the ISS when it flew over Mongolia.

The docking was completed at about 17:30 pm Moscow time.

Dragon ~ 60 meters away from the @space_station pic.twitter.com/5hjJxYyZpl

- SpaceX (@SpaceX) May 31, 2020

Docking confirmed - Crew Dragon has arrived at the @space_station! pic.twitter.com/KiKBpZ8R2H

- SpaceX (@SpaceX) May 31, 2020

At the moment, the American astronaut Chris Cassidy from the ISS is conducting docking tightness checks and parameters in the airlock.

.@AstroBehnken and @Astro_Doug are about an hour away from joining the crew on board the @Space_Station... Watch: https://t.co/bXCGg5kzBB pic.twitter.com/JdTnsqKvB6

- NASA (@NASA) May 31, 2020

This is the first flight of an American manned (with astronauts) spacecraft to the ISS in 9 years. During this time, American astronauts flew on Russian-made spaceships - on Soyuz.

Comments

[Prahlad]

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Hope is not worth it, then it will be like with SP-2 - sticks to the wheels of Roscosmos and sanctions on astronauts and technology. Mattress mats behaved correctly only while Russia was needed for flights, and then the United States will behave like the United States.

[Prahlad]

So it will be. As a result, this area will become more and more degraded.

[military_cat]

Quote: Prahlad

So it will be.

Sanctions to Roscosmos have been introduced for a long time - on the element base, for example, or in the form of a ban on the launch of American satellites by Russian missiles after 2022. Today, Roscosmos just waited for the moment when there was nothing more to answer for the sanctions.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

when there is nothing more to answer for sanctions.

It is enough to close the ISS RS in favor of ROS and that’s it. America will be left without the ISS.

[military_cat]

You can still drill holes in the ISS RS. Then America will also be left without the ISS.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

You can still drill holes in the ISS RS.

Such problems are resolved locally. Quickly and efficiently and surgically accurately.

Quote: military_cat

Then America will also be left without the ISS.

And she will stay anyway.

[NEXUS]

Quote: military_cat

You can still drill holes in the ISS RS. Then America will also be left without the ISS.

As far as I know, foreigners, especially Americans, after that incident are not allowed into the ISS Russian zone.

[slipped]

Quote: NEXUS

As far as I know, foreigners, especially Americans, after that incident are not allowed into the ISS Russian zone.

what nonsense

[Victorio]

Quote: slipped

Quote: military_cat

when there is nothing more to answer for sanctions.

It is enough to close the ISS RS in favor of ROS and that’s it. America will be left without the ISS.

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as time goes by, the station becomes obsolete. there was information about their (Americans) imminent denial of participation. Russia alone will not pull the station, probably. let's see what happens.

[slipped]

Quote: Victorio

as time goes by, the station becomes obsolete. there was information about their (Americans) imminent denial of participation.

No, they plan to use the station until 2028.

Quote: Victorio

Russia alone will not pull the station, probably. let's see what happens.

If the plans suddenly change dramatically, then in this case the new modules of the Russian segment of the station will be separated and form the Russian orbital station.

[Victorio]

Quote: slipped

If the plans suddenly change dramatically, then in this case the new modules of the Russian segment of the station will be separated and form the Russian orbital station

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technically, they probably foresaw this. but financially very, very doubt it. Now is the time, you can expect everything

[slipped]

Quote: Victorio

Now is the time, you can expect everything

Russia annually spends about $ billion per year on the maintenance of the ISS. Mostly this money goes to the ISS RS.

[pereselenec]

Quote: slipped

No, they plan to use the station until 2028.

Those. even under Putin will close it?

[slipped]

Quote: pereselenec

Those. even under Putin will close it?

Stupid question, the ISS is an international project led by the heads of space agencies in the USA and Russia. Old station modules will be flooded as they develop their resources. New form another station. Whether it will be Russian national or to have an international format will be decided after 2025.

[2 Level Advisor]

Do not you think that not enough for the station purple objects?

[Nosgoth]

According to your picture / coloring, there is nothing American in the ISS (blue color)? :-)))

[NordUral]

How do you close a stranger house?

[slipped]

Quote: NordUral

How do you close a stranger house?

Very simple, just leave it without engines and he himself will close very quickly under his own power.

[NordUral]

As if everything is very simple. I hope that there will be no problems.

[slipped]

Quote: NordUral

As if everything is very simple. I hope that there will be no problems.

You asked, I answered. And what are the problems? we are nothing alien do not touch. Just leave your part and that's it. In a month, the ISS will fall. Well, there will already be whom God sent.

[Klingon]

And why did she surrender to the ISS? forever ns orbit hanging out is stagnation. We need to move into space further, but we have nothing to do. Even the simplest AMS cannot start. but when they could ...

[slipped]

Quote: Klingon

Even the simplest AMS cannot start.

we can and not the simplest - "Spectrum-RG" hangs behind the orbit of the moon. The rest of the projects are still being prepared.

[RUSS]

Quote: Prahlad

So it will be. As a result, this area will become more and more degraded.

A holy place is never empty

[rocket757]

Do not talk nonsense ... they have a latent mowing !!! Where to go, if sho ???

[Blackmokona]

Latrine they have on the ISS Russian, and our repair it.

[mitrich]

Golyun say our and we serve it? All that remains is to wipe the amers. It is necessary that Rogozin would do it.

[Tavrik]

In addition to the Great Energy Power, will we become the Great Space and Space?

[muham]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Hope is not worth it, then it will be like with SP-2 - sticks to the wheels of Roscosmos and sanctions on astronauts and technology. Mattress mats behaved correctly only while Russia was needed for flights, and then the United States will behave like the United States.

It was they who answered the trampolines now, but when we wait for an answer to Mikhan and others like him, then it will be interesting. And they will remember.

[Omskgasmyas]

They can blurt out like that in a zapar, then come to their senses: Antares and Vega fly on Russian engines. Mattresses still have problems with their own.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Mattress mats behaved correctly only while Russia was needed for flights, and then the United States will behave like the United States.

Elon Musk answered Rogozin's congratulations

“Thank you sir, haha. We look forward to mutually beneficial and prosperous long-term cooperation. ”

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines.

Would you do better?

[Prahlad]

What do I have to do with it? My bosses didn’t. I can imagine how he’s burning up now ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Prahlad

What do I have to do with it? My bosses didn’t.

Are you criticizing, or what? What do you offer?

[Pereira]

For starters, top managers - sawed.

[New Year day]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Are you criticizing, or what? What do you offer?

didn’t you like the answer?

Quote: Pereira

For starters, top managers - sawed.

but for me, to say the least. Too soft and not only managers, but up ....

[Thunderbringer]

Yeah, but instead of these others put the ones you like. Then you will immediately feel good, but others will become ill. But it doesn’t matter, right?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Are you criticizing, or what? What do you offer?

if I don’t know how to make good furniture does this mean that I can’t indicate that the chair was made by a curved carpenter and he has different legs?

[Thunderbringer]

This "chair" works fine by the way. Carries astronauts to the ISS.
So his legs are normal.
You are just trying not to scold a bad chair, but to give advice to whom to make a new one.
And here you already have to be able to do it yourself. To give such advice.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, yes, yes, yes, do not specify what we have there with the hangar ?!
how many times did the deadlines bring
and his nonsense about the fact that the minerals on the moon are exclusively in the craters is generally a masterpiece
I'm already silent about the holes in the skin, and the connectors are not connected correctly

[pereselenec]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

What do you offer?

To begin with, send Rogozin to sew slippers in the Kolyma, until he sews so much as to compensate for the sawn loot:

[Victorio]

Quote: Prahlad

What do I have to do with it? My bosses didn’t. I can imagine how he’s burning up now ...

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why would everything be expected? and Rogozin is no worse than you / us. Musk worked on his ships for more than ten years

[Commissar77]

Why are you talking about a talented leader whose tablet will soon break through the floor to the bunker where one grandfather is sitting

[NordUral]

That's cool! What are our technically gifted journalists.

[Lekov L]

Military Commissar77 and the Northern Urals.
Good evening!
When I studied there my dean was worse, albeit from my pulpit .. God rest with him!
And yes:

They can be understood, they could not send a man into space for 9 years. For 9 years they could not do what we did 60 years ago. It's as if Lionel Messi for 9 years could not score a goal. And now, after 9 years, he scored. Handsome, over himself, in the nine, the goalkeeper has no chance. The stadium is jubilant, all the media are playing replays of this goal, Messi rips off Anji's jersey, and in a post-match interview with sarcasm says "The trampoline is working", referring to Dziuba, who beat a hundred goals during these 9 years.

The Americans did yesterday what we did in 1961, and in theory, nobody should be interested in this today. How many people watch Soyuz launches?

quote
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/sdelanounas.ru/amerika-snova-stala-velikoi-nakonecto-i-10-let-ne-proshlo-5ed426d952d2d279d5f36d24
And if a person develops, then knowledge is added to him a lot and quickly ...
Have you tried it yourself?
Look at Joseph Vissarionovich with his seminary where is he against Rogozin?
And against you, even in general, you are not a journalist.

[NordUral]

How many words, I was even ashamed. True delirium is more in your words. And have fun learning Rogozin.

[Simargl]

Quote: NordUral

What are our technically gifted journalists.

He is DTN, no matter how funny.

[Lekov L]

Would you do better?

He has no time, he works as a hairdresser in Zhmerynka ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lekov L

he works as a hairdresser in Zhmerynka ..

pay attention to the hairdresser, and not being a journalist manages the Roskosmos
Ragozin sometimes such nonsense carries that the hair stand on end

[Thunderbringer]

And who will you be?
Is a venerable rocketeer? This is only a major specialist can suddenly so loudly talk about nonsense.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Thunderbringer

This is only a major specialist can suddenly so loudly talk about nonsense.

According to Ragozin, minerals are found only in the craters of the moon.
that's exactly what I call nonsense

[Simargl]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I call this nonsense

Have you figured out the context? He talked about those minerals that are theoretically economically viable to mine on the moon. Do not carry iron from the moon!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, firstly, it’s not clear from the speech, and secondly, ANY fossils are not attached to craters either.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Well, first of all, it’s not clear

It is necessary to reconsider. It was obvious to me. Perhaps because the emphasis on meteorites made ...

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

secondly, ANY fossil is not attached to craters

Eh ... well, let's think: there is such an "iridium" layer in geological sediments, presumably it is a part of an evaporated meteorite, iridium is not found in high concentrations on Earth, but in the crater it will probably be in high concentrations. Something like this.
As the AMS and all sorts of Lunokhods, Armstrongs, Curiosity and others found out, the Solar system is approximately the same in composition, but meteorites can bring something interesting.

[NordUral]

Actually, you need to get there first. And there is much more to do to bring something rare and useful from there to Earth. The thought, of course, is good, only technical reinforcement where?

[Simargl]

Quote: NordUral

The thought, of course, is good, only technical reinforcement where?

From Icarus to "Angara" ... if you try to solve a technical problem, and not "fizzle out" and cut everything, it is solved. We look at the comments on the passenger Dragon, we think.
They will solve it. The main thing is among those who decided that we should be. There are many who wish.

[Kisa]

Do you have a logical explanation that we have a whole Academy of Cosmonautics Tsiolkovsky with 20 academics of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Rogozin graduated from journalism faculty in control of space ???

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kitty

Do you have a logical explanation that we have a whole Academy of Cosmonautics Tsiolkovsky with 20 academics of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Rogozin graduated from journalism faculty in control of space ???

There is. Hairy arm.

[New Year day]

Quote: kitty

and they steered space by Rogozin, a graduate of journalism department ???

personal devotion, family tree

[Lena Petrova]

As if Musk is also not a strong academician.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lena Petrova

As if Musk is also not a strong academician.

Received a bachelor's degree in economics and a bachelor of physics

[Alex Justice]

As if Musk is also not a strong academician.

But not a journalist or hairdresser.

[NordUral]

And he does not need it. He proves by deeds that in his place and deservedly.

[syndicalist]

Quote: kitty

Do you have a logical explanation that we have a whole Academy of Cosmonautics Tsiolkovsky with 20 academics of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Rogozin graduated from journalism faculty in control of space ???

I have.
In the current system, which is also called "vertical", everything is built solely on personal devotion to the first person. Therefore, Roskosmos can only be headed by Rogozins and only Rogozins.

[NordUral]

There is only one logical thing - it is set to kill our cosmos. There is one more truth, but it’s absolutely terrible - insane people govern the country.

[figwam]

Flights on our rocket into space began with us in 1961, with the Chinese since 2003, and finally with the Americans since 2020.

[Servisinzhener]

But what about the program of manned flights "Mercury", "Dzhemeni", "Apollo"?

[poquello]

Quote: Servisinzhener

But what about the program of manned flights "Mercury", "Dzhemeni", "Apollo"?

as an electrician I will say to an electrician)

primary knowledge testing is carried out for employees who first entered a job related to the maintenance of electrical installations, or during a break in testing knowledge for more than 3 years.

[Simargl]

Quote: poquello

as an electrician I will tell an electrician

As an electrician, I remind an electrician: checkAnd not training.

[poquello]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: poquello

as an electrician I will tell an electrician

As an electrician, I remind an electrician: checkAnd not training.

uh painted, every electrician knows that the one who is to be tested is allowed to study

[Simargl]

Quote: poquello

every electrician knows that the one who is to be tested is allowed to study

The training was 60 years ago, they worked by profession.

[poquello]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: poquello

every electrician knows that the one who is to be tested is allowed to study

The training was 60 years ago, they worked by profession.

Yes, at least 60 years of experience - 3 years of admission and begin with the 2nd group

[Simargl]

Quote: poquello

3 years pass and start from the 2nd group

Well, they were not interrupted by the adjacent.

[Tavrik]

I think in the current conditions, neither Korolev, nor Glushko, nor Chelomei, no one can cope.

[poquello]

Quote: Tavrik

I think in the current conditions, neither Korolev, nor Glushko, nor Chelomei, no one can cope.

) what can not cope with?

[Tavrik]

With the creation and launch of something big, serious and fateful.

[poquello]

Quote: Tavrik

With the creation and launch of something big, serious and fateful.

)))))))))))))))))

[Alexander I]

What does not suit the new program of docking with the ISS, which makes it possible to conduct all this in 3 hours, and not like the Americans have a day. There are pros in Roskosmos and they work for the good of the country, but what can Rogozin do if such a system of power in the country, go to the gentlemen’s election.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Well, well, the bot remembered a 5 year old account and dropped in his joy

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

This is the inevitable result of the power of effective managers.
Minutes $ 90 million for 1 astronaut, minus orders to launch satellites and other cargoes. For when the launch cost is almost 2 times lower, it becomes immediately clear whose services they will use. Roscosmos and so it did not shine, but now there will be a pipe

[seregin-s1]

Did you really believe that the US could not build a rocket? Was an effective manager supposed to blow her up? Rave!

[Vol4ara]

Quote: seregin-s1

Did you really believe that the US could not build a rocket? Was an effective manager supposed to blow her up? Rave!

I was always sure of this, and I was indignant why in the Roskosmos such a hut and inaction, hands go in trousers. It remains to shine with growth and icebreakers and the project of the Russian Federation can be closed as a failed

[Vadim237]

Everything is fine with your "birdhouse" - but it looks like the roof has been blown off it long ago.

[seregin-s1]

Was there an accident under Rogozin? Who told you about the mess?

[Kronos]

Forgot about drilled holes in the ISS and stolen billions at the cosmodrome East

[military_cat]

Quote: seregin-s1

Was there an accident under Rogozin?

Union MS-10 does not count? Is it different?

[Thunderbringer]

It certainly changes everything. Just in the bud.
On his soap!
You really want to hang everyone who has anything to do with Russian space.
You can’t eat directly.

[military_cat]

Quote: Thunderbringer

It certainly changes everything. Just in the bud.

Why ask "there were accidents under Rogozin?" if the answer to this question changes nothing? Or it doesn't change anything only if the answer is unpleasant?

[slipped]

Quote: Vol4ara

Minutes $ 90 million for 1 astronaut,

Already paid.

Quote: Vol4ara

minus orders for launches of satellites and other cargoes.

Soon we are launching this year.

Quote: Vol4ara

For when the launch cost is almost 2 times lower, it becomes immediately clear whose services they will use.

And they also use ours.

[post]

where does it come from 2 times lower?

[Simargl]

Quote: Prahlad

Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

He had a break.
In an interview with Solovyov, he stated that Crew Dragon is not a competitor of the Union, since the difference in capacity is not great (4 versus 3 people). He said that the analogue of "Eagle / Federation" is "Orion" (shoko-pie?), And they go head to head.
Although there is a strange thing: the interview, in general, did not cause rejection - more or less competently painted everything ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: Prahlad

Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

He had a break.
In an interview with Solovyov, he stated that Crew Dragon is not a competitor of the Union, since the difference in capacity is not great (4 versus 3 people). He said that the analogue of "Eagle / Federation" is "Orion" (shoko-pie?), And they go head to head.
Although there is a strange thing: the interview, in general, did not cause rejection - more or less competently painted everything ...

Yeah, no difference, 50 million against 90

[slipped]

Quote: Vol4ara

Yeah, no difference, 50 million against 90

More than $ 90 million is for an American flight on the MS-17 Union, and so generally about $ 40 million - for so much the Arab cosmonaut flew.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vol4ara

Yeah, no difference, 50 million against 90

And before they got a taste - how much did it cost? 40? fifty?

[Lycan]

Quote: Simargl

In an interview with Solovyov, he said that Crew Dragon is not a competitor to the Union,

Unlikely he it solves.

Quote: Simargl

because the difference in capacity is not large (4 vs 3 people)

Capacity will be adjusted a little later - as the break-in.

[Simargl]

Quote: Lycan

It is unlikely that he decides.

Yes, of course, that ... market.

Quote: Lycan

Capacity will be adjusted a little later - as the break-in.

They already it was reduced: the second row was removed on both the Eagle and the Dragon.

[Lycan]

Zapadentsev have long worked out decorative dumping techniques: first, they underestimate their benefits, then, as soon as the enemy gets used to the situation, it will immediately grow in an avalanche-like manner, causing a separation of production / organizational / logistic. enemy systems and unsystematic + unjustified costs of his actions.

[Civil]

For 9 years, the mattresses have at least 2 successful missions to Mars with the landing of rovers.

[Super]

In Hollywood, at least ten rovers can be removed.

[RUSS]

Quote: Super

In Hollywood, at least ten rovers can be removed.

What prevents us from shooting on Mosfilm?

[Super]

Nothing interferes, but our leadership is business people, they do not want to engage in public relations and empty chatter like this con man Ilon Mask.

[RUSS]

Quote: Super

Nothing interferes, but our leadership is business people, they do not want to engage in public relations and empty chatter like this con man Ilon Mask.

A year ago, Rogozin, a "man of action," stated that - "Musk is not a technical expert in this matter, he simply does not understand what is at stake." “I want to say that God grant them good luck to create an engine better than ours. Until it works out, Russia is number one in the world in this part, ”he added.

[Shahno]

Russia is not number one, but one of .. And bragging rarely brings to good.

[poquello]

Quote: Shahno

Russia is not number one, but one of .. And bragging rarely brings to good.

and there’s nothing to be shy about, they don’t know how to fly for a short flight, Russia # 1

[poquello]

Quote: RUSS

A year ago, Rogozin, a "man of action," stated that - "Musk is not a technical expert in this matter, he simply does not understand what is at stake." “I want to say that God grant them good luck to create an engine better than ours. Until it works out, Russia is number one in the world in this part, ”he added.

but I didn’t understand where is not the case here?

[RUSS]

Quote: poquello

Quote: RUSS

A year ago, Rogozin, a "man of action," stated that - "Musk is not a technical expert in this matter, he simply does not understand what is at stake." “I want to say that God grant them good luck to create an engine better than ours. Until it works out, Russia is number one in the world in this part, ”he added.

but I didn’t understand where is not the case here?

Not because the journalist Rogozin told the engineer Mask.

[poquello]

Quote: RUSS

Not because the journalist Rogozin told the engineer Mask.

at the journalist Rogozin of the Russian Academy of Sciences at hand - I really haven’t found anyone to consult with?
so what exactly is not the case?

[Simargl]

Quote: RUSS

journalist Rogozin said the engineer Mask

Rogozin, oddly enough ... doctor technical science

[Kronos]

That's just what he is constantly talking about breakthroughs.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kronos

constantly talking about breakthroughs

... in future. And plans, plans ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Super

our leadership is business people, they don’t want to engage in PR and empty chatter

You would have come to the comedians. Talent.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Super

Nothing interferes, but our leadership is business people, they do not want to engage in public relations and empty chatter like this con man Ilon Mask.

Ahahahahvha: DDDDDDDD Thank you, have fun in the morning! To the voice

[aiden]

Who was the first to land on Mars, Venus and the moon?

[Alex_You]

Quote: aiden

Who was the first to land on Mars, Venus and the moon?

THE USSR? Not?

[aiden]

Yes. How many Americans repeated this?

[Simargl]

Quote: aiden

How many Americans repeated this?

Here you need to think about quality. The Mars rover from the USSR jumped a little and fell silent. And from the USA?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: aiden

Yes. How many Americans repeated this?

But what does the USSR have to do with it? He is no longer there, but the Russian Federation is not worth the shadow of the USSR

[kjhg]

Quote: Prahlad

Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Do not worry about him. Rogozin and other Roskosmos executives receive revenues that NASA executives have never dreamed of. While Putin and the bucket in power, neither Rogozin, nor any other manager has anything to fear, because Putin needs them for further breakthroughs of the bottom .

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

At a press conference, Elon Musk recalled the phrase about the trampoline to Rogozin.
"The trampoline is working," the businessman told reporters.
And smiled modestly ...

[slipped]

Quote: Paul Siebert

"The trampoline is working," the businessman told reporters.
And smiled modestly ...

The story about the "trampoline" is simple, let's remember it (not mine):

"Trampoline science. Since, unlike maskophile pigeons, we are serious people, we will remember why it came out and why.

The chronology was as follows:

1. "On March 27, 2014, the US Department of State suspended the issuance of licenses for the export of defense and dual value goods and services to Russia, including spacecraft. Soon there were reports of a ban on the export of American-made satellites for launches by Russian carriers. With these circumstances, uncertainty arose with the missions of launching telecommunication vehicles "Astra 2G", "Inmarsat 5" and "Turksat 4B" into geostationary orbit ...
On April 2, NASA Deputy Administrator Michael O'Brien notified his colleagues and subordinates by e-mail about the measures to "influence" Russia in the space sphere. It was reported about the suspension of all contacts of the American space agency with representatives of Russian government organizations, as well as the ban on mutual contacts between NASA and Roscosmos specialists. A moratorium was imposed on business trips and visits of Russian representatives, and bilateral meetings were terminated. Even e-mails and videoconferences were banned "(c) I. Afanasiev, D. Vorontsov, Aerospace Review Magazine No. 5, 2014

2. “After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I propose the United States to deliver its astronauts to the ISS using a trampoline,” Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin wrote in his microblog on Twitter on Tuesday, April 29, 2014.

3. Elon Musk at a press conference on the launch of the manned "Dragon" on May 30, 2020 - The trampoline is working ("the trampoline is working")

Not even seven years have passed, cho "

[Alex Nevs]

Yes, not so simple. But the USSR backlog ended. And they have not yet given birth to their own.

[Tusv]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Interesting you guys. For 9 years, the Yankees left the manned space club, and now they entered again. Oh, what an achievement. Tremble Rogozin. Wouldn’t I say five years ago about trampolines? Would the Americans move?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Interesting you guys. For 9 years, the Yankees left the manned space club, and now they entered again. Oh, what an achievement. Tremble Rogozin. Wouldn’t I say five years ago about trampolines? Would the Americans move?

And what have we done over these 9 years? They tucked the backside with a burdock and drilled a hole in the skin, they will continue at their own pace, and we will continue to wander around the toilet. Salt is not in the event, but in the trend

[Tusv]

Quote: Vol4ara

And what have we done over these 9 years?

Yes stupid work worked. 70 megabytes per passenger. How much have earned over 9 years?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Vol4ara

And what have we done over these 9 years?

Yes stupid work worked. 70 megabytes per passenger. How much have earned over 9 years?

Well, rockets flew, and then what? What did you do besides the launches? They are launches from the 60s. What work did you do?

[Tusv]

Quote: Vol4ara

What did you do besides the launches?

And what did Musk do except launch? Oh, and even squeezed the grandmother from Roskosmos. now NASA will pay him 150 lyam for launch, and not Roscosmos. And our people are happy about this. I do not understand

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Vol4ara

What did you do besides the launches?

And what did Musk do except launch? Oh, and even squeezed the grandmother from Roskosmos. now NASA will pay him 150 lyam for launch, and not Roscosmos. And our people are happy about this. I do not understand

Musk made a launch, they did not have it. And believe me, he will take less money for the launch, this will allow him to squeeze out clients not only inside the USA, but also in Europe

[post]

Why is that? how much they give, everything will take

[lot]

They sawed the spaceport, already at the accounting chamber smoke from the ears went.
That's all the achievements.

[Thunderbringer]

That is, no one has flown into space for all these 9 years? Just sawed?
Or what?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tusv

For 9 years, the Yankees left the manned space club, and now they entered again.

We went out like this, not to smoke, but to work.

Quote: Tusv

Wouldn’t I say five years ago about trampolines? Would the Americans move?

From the very beginning, movement was clear. And we stalled in place.

[Trotil42]

Masks created the company in 2002, still shuttles flew .. before 2011 .... the goal was to reduce the cost and attract private capital to space flights ... Yankees then entered ... but who left? And what is not the achievement of reusable media? Vertical landing? Of our achievements, the renaming of the Federation in Orel ...

[Ham]

what does "vertical fit" mean? is there also a "horizontal" one? "reusable media" is still in question ... how much dough will be needed to restore them for repeated flights? when will all this be put on stream and how many resources should be spent on it? dust and fog ...
at one time, everyone extolled the "space shuttle" as "the greatest achievement" in the same way - and as a result, they returned to technologies 40 years ago but with "blackjack and ...")))
but don’t bother - walk ischo! and do not forget the cons, cons ...
but don’t forget - this is not only Elon Mask, but also Nasa - the largest state corporation

[Trotil42]

Native tablet at night..Mask -gos.korporatsiya..oooooooooesche .... Look at the box ... see how the media are planted ... They have a little progress and progress .. Buran attempt to repeat the shuttles .. and the shuttles and the arms race destroyed the USSR and justified their creation .. already ROSSKOSMOS is considering the issue of creating a reusable carrier ... This is not the first or second flight of a reusable carrier ... the loot is counted .. Americans are ready for 50 Lyamov to take astronauts into orbit ... ours for 90.

[New Year day]

Quote: Tusv

Wouldn’t I say five years ago about trampolines? Would the Americans move?

without a doubt. They are not used to lag

[bang]

Would the Americans move?
I knew that the Americans recruited Rogozin in NATO times. He blah blah and does nothing, but the Americans do. They are great, Przn not very.
Yes, and for starters, you need to pick up a toy from GlavBatchik so that his playful fingers on Twitter do not provoke opponents to move.
))

[culinary]

This is the first thing that came to mind ...

[mitrich]

Why would he bite that? He completed his main task, stole as much as he could. And space, flights, the prestige of the country, background, surroundings.

[RUSS]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Maybe it bites, although, for example, the Executive Director of the corporation for manned space programs Sergei Krikalev suggested that in the future cooperation between Roscosmos and Elon Musk is possible.

Well, something like this)))), then faded over the Mask, are now ready to cooperate with him.

[Ham]

Rogozin said about the "trampoline" 6 years ago! at that time it was true ... and he did not say that "they will never fly" ...
Well, they repeated their achievement 40 years ago because of what is kykos then?
the ussr launched the "Buran" in 1988 - 3 years before its death - remember this - banderlog

[New Year day]

Quote: Ham

Rogozin said about the "trampoline" 6 years ago!

and in the past

[Ham]

well, so 6 years is not "the nearest prospect"))) this is at least a medium-term ... I remember they were whipping for 1-2 years to cut the bark ... on this occasion it was said
and not the fact that their engine surpasses even our ancient r-180 ... you still need to carry out hundreds of SUCCESSFUL launches to compare ...
the fact that this is a wonderful propaganda occasion is for sure;)
ps make a larger font - can anyone convince))) and minuses, minuses)))

[poquello]

Quote: Ham

well, 6 years is not "the nearest future")))

so masked as it was worse it is, the production base is crooked

[pereselenec]

Quote: Ham

our ancient rd-180 ...

To begin with, there is no "Russian RD-180 engine" in nature. There is an RD-180 engine created in the framework of Russian-American cooperation, which was developed in Russia by order of the United States, and which is currently being produced by the American company Pratt & Whitney at Russian production facilities. Therefore, the very presentation of the material in the Russian media, which write that "the United States buys engines in Russia" is 100% thick lie. It's like writing that "Apple buys its iPhones in China" only on the grounds that all of their production is concentrated there.

However, let me tell you everything in order, because the story there is very interesting.

At the end of the 50s, several hundred Atlas ballistic missiles were in service with the United States. When the Caribbean crisis hit, the Americans considered that these missiles were not effective enough to withstand the Soviet threat, they were removed from service, but they did not throw them away, they did not dispose of them. According to the concept, which was then adopted in the United States, and which is still in effect, all military ballistic missiles should be able to be used as launch vehicles for launching cargo into orbit.

Therefore, with the decommissioning of Atlases, the US space agency received about a hundred ready-made space rockets to launch satellites and spacecraft into space. And I will note, - this is very important, - in fact, of free, free rockets, since the Pentagon has already paid for them earlier.

Atlases were widely used in the early years of space exploration as the main carrier (it was on the Atlas that the first American cosmonaut John Glenn took off), and then as a "backup" rocket. When, for example, Challeger exploded, then until the causes of the disaster were clarified, the Shuttle program was suspended, and all space launches were made on Atlases.

Meanwhile, in the 90s, it became clear that the Titan rockets, on which all American "medium" launches were made, had to be taken out of production - the negative consequences from the use of poisonous aerosin as fuel were too strong.

Hundreds of free Atlases were still on conservation. It was decided to equip these Atlases with new, more powerful engines and replace the Titans with them. The American company General Dynamic, in charge of Atlases, announced a tender for the development of a new engine in 1995, and this tender was unconditionally won by a large margin by the Russian company NPO Energomash, which offered a price several times lower than its competitors.

Times in Russia were difficult, we had to dump. But most importantly, Energomash had a good start. In order to obtain an engine with the characteristics the Americans needed, it was only necessary to "halve" the existing engine from the Energia rocket, to make only two instead of four chambers.

As a result, Energomash "developed" the required engine, which was named RD-180, transferred all the rights and all documentation for its production to the Americans, and they, in accordance with the terms of the tender, placed the production of the engine in Russia at Energomash factories, since there was already all the necessary technological equipment.

It should be noted that this contract then came back to haunt the Russian military-industrial complex, because when Russia itself needed a "half" engine for the Rus-M and Angara missiles, it turned out that, under the terms of the contract, it could not produce the RD-180 for its own purposes, but must buy it from the American company Pratt & Whitney.

As a result, for Rus-M it was necessary to make an "alternative" development, the RD-180V (which was never completed), and to install not a "half", but a "quarter" RD-191 engine on the Angara.

Well, as for the American Atlases, the missiles equipped with the RD-180, first received the R index (this is not the "Russian engine", as they write here, but just another index, coincidentally), and then were completely modernized under the RD-180 ... And they received the designation Atlas-5.

So all American Atlas 5s now have the first stage equipped with the Pratt & Whitney RD-180 engine, which is assembled in Russia.

Therefore, when Russia came under sanctions, then this production fell under sanctions. At first, it was decided to transfer the production of RD-180 from Russia to the United States.

But then Elon Musk drew up with his company SpaceX and said: "I can do better and cheaper." We figured it out, it turned out to be really much cheaper and it would be better to give Musk in a row.

In Russia, of course, they would be delighted with such a situation, but in the USA they are more than anything afraid of monopolizing the market. All relevant regulatory authorities immediately issued a conclusion that the transfer of the SpaceX contract would lead to the formation of an unacceptable monopoly.

But as a result of these discussions, it turned out in passing that there was no longer any reason to transfer the production of the RD-180 to the USA. What was "cheap" in '95 has now become "expensive".
RD-180 is a very good engine, but is already very outdated, for its production it will be necessary to revive technologies that have long been abandoned throughout the world. Science and technology do not stand still, and in the United States there are a bunch of companies that can do what is required, much better, much faster and most importantly - already much cheaper than Energomash.

In short, it turned out that the RD-180 is no longer needed.

Therefore, General Dynamic held a new tender, which was won by two US companies. United Launch Services, which, starting from 2019, will begin to supply the Vulcan BE-4 engine, which will replace the RD-180. And Aerojet Rocketdyne, which will develop the next generation of fundamentally new engines, which in turn will replace the Vulcan BE-4.

Well, to make it clear what happened, I will mention only one detail - the entire contract with United Launch Services costs 46 million dollars - this is the cost of only five RD-180.

And the US Congress, in order to insure itself and create a reserve for the transitional period, allowed Energomash to release more 18 units RD-180. The latest RD-180 in history.

That is, in fact, what lies behind the headlines of the Russian media "America cannot do without Russian engines."

[poquello]

Quote: pereselenec

Therefore, the very presentation of the material in the Russian media, which write that "the United States buys engines in Russia" is 100% thick lie.

like this, clumsy and disinfect, they stick in the title, stick in the conclusion, and in the middle we put a historical, slightly tinted poppet about the Mask, etc. help, where
- manufacturer Energomash, Russia

[Tavrik]

I wrote yesterday that in a couple of years effective economists will calculate and come to the conclusion that it is cheaper to buy space on their ships from NASA than to keep a hundred people for the people in Roscosmos. This is how we will lose manned space exploration under "convincing" financial and economic calculations. Sadness ...

[Ajevgenij]

That will be so. No wonder that the architectural competition for building offices was held in Moscow. They will close the missiles, they will sell offices from Roscosmos-) This is such a great future.

[bang]

USSR launched "Buran" in 1988
I propose not to touch the USSR, it is already a story with its achievements.
The question is why the current ones do not continue the history of achievements.
And yet, less need to chat. He, the journalist, is used to grinding for nothing. You can’t do anything, Vali, do not disgrace the country.

[New Year day]

Quote: Prahlad

Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

promises to launch 3 new missiles soon- the strike must be kept

[slipped]

Quote: Silvestr

promises to launch 3 new missiles soon- the strike must be kept

Two rockets this year go on trial.

[Irokez]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines.

Do you mean that trampolines are our manned spacecraft delivering all cosmonauts to the ISS for 9 years?

[Sasha Minakov]

How so tired of you. that's horrible!.

[naburkin]

And with what fright did he bite his elbows? Everyone knew that someday he would fly. And so for 5 months delayed.

[iouris]

Quote: Prahlad

Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

And bite - bite! (Rus. - close elbow, but do not bite).
Rogozin's collaboration with Musk has borne fruit (the company seems to be private, although there is reason to believe that Musk is the American Rogozin, that is, a "proxy"). On the other hand, the US and the Russian Federation "cooperate" in space. And if this private spacecraft destroys the ISS, then what?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Why is Rogozin biting his elbows ?! It is strange that the United States for 9 years could not send a person into space, in Russia no one expected this from the United States and certainly did not expect that they would always carry American astronauts.

In 2020, the event for the USA is that in Russia / the USSR, the usual work of the space industry.

[kapitan281271]

Yes, what does Rogozin have to do with it, it’s just (as it would be more correct, or the moderators will again ban) the talking head, let it be the darkest one to answer which organ he has been working on for 9 years ,,,,,,,,,,,.

[sergo1914]

This must be added necessarily.

[media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? feature = youtu.be & v = zv477bnRhlg]

[sergo1914]

Kindly so neighing

[svp67]

Well, ARRIVAL. Now it remains to wait for the landing. Soft landing
Cosmos is the only place where all who have been there consider themselves to be one - earthlings

[samarin1969]

Rogozin is a "trampoline".

[Vol4ara]

Quote: samarin1969

Rogozin is a "trampoline".

Rogozin is not a trampoline, Rogozin is the bottom. In Soviet times, he would already be lying in a coffin with a bullet in his head

[syndicalist]

Quote: Vol4ara

Rogozin is not a trampoline, Rogozin is the bottom.

Rogozin - Chubais of modern times.

[Lord of the Sith]

Well done Yankees, for 9 years after the Shuttle finally gave birth to technology of the 60s of the XX century))
They launched the astronauts. Only five more need to be launched for NASA certification.
We will see)

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Well done Yankees, for 9 years they finally gave birth to technology of the 60s of the XX century))

Well, why so? They gave birth to a new one. When will we be eligible? I would be in place of Rogozin now, something concrete would say. It's time.

[Lord of the Sith]

Rogozin is a whipping boy who only does not hit the lazy. Only for some reason, a rich boy, in contrast to 99,9% of the inhabitants of VO.

Yankees did not come up nothing new at all.

The same liquid chemical engine of the mid-20th century. Chinese touch displays in the cockpit stuck))
And pass it off as a mega achievement. Oh well))

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The Yankees did not come up with anything new at all.

Do not confuse the new and the revolution. They created a new ship. Everything is complicated here. Need to evaluate in time. The first flight has just begun.

[Lord of the Sith]

Yah? What did they invent fundamentally new with Gemini and Apollo, ships of the 60s? Even adjusted for the 21st century?

Where is the revolution? Now, if there was a launch vehicle on a fundamentally different basis, with a crazy craving, then yes, there would be a revolution.

[military_cat]

Why, then, the "Federation" / "Eagle" cannot be tortured for so many years?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

then they composed a fundamentally new with Gemini and Apollo, ships of the 60s? Even adjusted for the 21st century?

Return stage.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Where is the revolution?

As I understand it, Alexey writes precisely about the new, and not about the revolution.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Chinese touch displays in the cockpit stuck))

Let our federal eagle with Chinese displays be launched and the price announced.

[post]

oh what fashion suits they have and what boots

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Rogozin is a whipping boy who only does not hit the lazy. Only for some reason, a rich boy, in contrast to 99,9% of the inhabitants of VO.

Yankees did not come up nothing new at all.

The same liquid chemical engine of the mid-20th century. Chinese touch displays in the cockpit stuck))
And pass it off as a mega achievement. Oh well))

Yeah, and the returning first stage, and the price for all this is 2 times lower. But it is not necessary to talk about this, but about what we have done in space for 29 years? Drowned the world? A lot of the engine of the 20s flew into space?

[Lord of the Sith]

Regarding the return stage, it bred for hamsters. Think about flaw detection.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Regarding the return stage, it bred for hamsters. Think about flaw detection.

I thought about it, the stage returned, we checked it with ultrasound and rg, did not find any damage, started it after that. again. For me, a scam for hamsters is an absurd attempt to excuse and try to make a good face in a bad game

[Lord of the Sith]

Razvodilovo for hamsters works, your example of this is confirmation. Smile and wave))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Razvodilovo for hamsters works, your example of this is confirmation. Smile and wave))

In my case, the logic works.
But in yours:] Razvodilovo works for hamsters, your example is a confirmation of this. We smile and wave)) and scream at the top of our lungs!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The Yankees did not come up with anything new at all.

New, well-forgotten old. But the engines they land themselves. And most importantly, the price. Just now the money that went to Roskosmos will go to the Mask. And by the way, what did Rogozin come up with, and did the main thing?

[AU Ivanov.]

And what could Rogozin do in a year and a half? The Americans lusted for nine years.

[Trotil42]

So simple? Reusable media and vertical fit?

[AUL]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

The Yankees did not come up with anything new at all.

Anyway, the Chinese came up with a rocket 3000 years ago! And the Yankees only managed to repeat now.

[Courier]

For space flights, Space-level technology is used, these are American displays, and sensors are american technology

[aiden]

It then flies. and flies so far successfully. What prevented us from doing this? Lack of money or unwillingness to do, and fly on the baggage of the USSR. Money seems to be there

[DMB84]

In the place of Rogozin, I would have made myself hara-kiri. But this is not for this shnik. About trampolines puffed out his cheeks, smoothly ruining the whole industry. Swota ....

[Keyser soze]

Well done Yankees, 9 years after the Shuttle finally gave birth to technology of the 60s

They gave birth to technology of the 21st century - from spacesuits to the ship and control systems. And most importantly - this is not NASA, with its inefficiency, but a private company and initiative.

That Musk could yank a yacht 300 meters away or buy English football, but no, he ran into Space ...

[Lord of the Sith]

I hate to upset you, but this is NASA. It is she who sponsors the "independent" Mask.
And this launch is not a mask, but NASA.

[Keyser soze]

I hate to upset you, but this is NASA. It is she who sponsors the "independent" Mask.
And this launch is not a mask, but NASA.

Lord .... you do not upset me. NASA pays SpaceX to deliver its astronauts to the ISS. The most important thing at this start is that Cosmos is being opened for private companies, and already they will carry out the advancement of mankind much more energetically than the sovereign mastodons. In this, for me, the main achievement of the Mask will take place. He paved the way for all of us, because tomorrow both yours and Chinese and other private companies will trample up and no one will wait for NASA or Roscosmos to fly to Mars or make a base on the moon. Really well done ....

[Cetron]

Just remember, to fly to the moon, you have to ask for a visa from the United States. They have already declared the Moon their property.
At such a pace of development of Roscosmos, soon without the permission of the Americans, Russian ships will not be able to take off the earth, but Rogozin will buy a new house in Miami, already for grandchildren.

[UserGun]

Quote: Cetron

They have already declared the Moon their property.

Present a document or a link to it, pliz. As far as can be understood, the United States is not going to "appropriate" the Moon, based on the Treaty on the Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, since it has signed it. However, it does not say anything about private companies, which are quite capable of extracting and exploiting something outside the terrestrial sphere, which will certainly happen sooner or later, because the resources of the Earth are exhaustible. Actually, this is proposed and at the moment it is legally legal. So now there is only one moment - Who is the first, that and the slippers.
Actually, the Russian Federation does not shine at all in this regard. More or less large private companies in erefiye he’ve miscalculated, and even those are STATE in one way or another, and gas meat with Sechin to at least Apple as before Beijing as cancer))) Yes and there are no reverence for them in space))) They I’d like to snatch more here))) But the first swallows appeared in the Pagan USA and hence the elementary envy - How so? cococo !!! )))

[Cetron]

Sovereign Rogozin must present the order as the first space idiot!

[donavi49]

Just funding from NASA's Manned Commercial Flights program:
Boeing- 4,820.9 and another plus 187 million in 2019 for unforeseen expenses - The report, published Thursday by NASA's Office of Inspector General, also said that the space agency unnecessarily allocated $ 187 million to Boeing.
SpaceX- 3,144.6

Wherein:
Boeing did a bunch of tests on the computer (more than 15%) - which made Mask do it real.
At the same time, the Boeing is still not ready for manned flights.
At the same time, Starliner + Atlas is more expensive than Falcon + Dragon.

[RUSS]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

I hate to upset you, but this is NASA. It is she who sponsors the "independent" Mask.
And this launch is not a mask, but NASA.

SpaceX funds received from a wide range of commercial and state contracts, as well as from private investment funds, as Elon Max said that state grants were available to anyone who would like to apply for them.

[Ham]

Elon Max said that state grants were available to anyone who would like to apply for them

well, is it "private investment" or "government grants"? something tells me that "government grants" played a major role)))
Rousseau, a pumpkin is always at the forefront))) again slander on your head, do not make you bother and in the next you poke your face in your NERD))))

[RUSS]

Quote: Ham

Elon Max said that state grants were available to anyone who would like to apply for them

well, is it "private investment" or "government grants"? something tells me that "government grants" played a major role)))
Rousseau, a pumpkin is always at the forefront))) again slander on your head, do not make you bother and in the next you poke your face in your NERD))))

Th leg you again not understandable such? I repeat for average minds, Space Ex is financed by both private companies and individuals and the state in the form of grants, enlightened?

[Ham]

you did not "enlighten" - you farted into a puddle ...
in percentage terms, call me - how many grandmas does the state give and how many private traders?

[UserGun]

And who is sponsored by Roskosmos ?! Ahhhh ... I get it!

Himself! )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Ham]

Well, in our country, unlike the old masks, no one squeals about "private astronautics")))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ham

Well, in our country, unlike the old masks, no one squeals about "private astronautics")))

And let Deribaska be entrusted with a contract to launch astronauts. Or Vekselberg. Cope?

[Ham]

Deribaska and Vekselberg are doing their job - to each his own ...
our state is engaged in space! however, as in the usa ...
once again - nasa steers and not masks ... masks is zits-chairman

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ham

..mask is zits-chairman

Well, here we have Rogozin. The result is on the face.

[Ham]

what result? what they repeated their achievements from the 70s?))) is it after landing on the moon then?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ham

what result?

Cheaper launches.

Quote: Ham

what they repeated their achievements from the 70s?

Where can we repeat Buran, we could not even clear the snow from the hangar, under which the roof fell.

[Ham]

how much "cheapened" - the numbers in the studio!
and how many trillions were thrown to return to their level 40 years ago after the super shuttles?
and how many more will be thrown out to achieve the results of the union? But you still need to return to earth with the ISS! half the work is done ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ham

figures in the studio!

The figure will be. Then...

Quote: Ham

to return to their level 40 years ago

The level is higher.

Quote: Ham

after the super shuttles?

After the shuttles, 9 years have passed. After Buran-30. We, in principle, have nothing new.

Quote: Ham

achieve union results?

Do you offer them 50 years to fly off the mask with a pencil, and then compare?

Quote: Ham

But you still need to return to earth with the ISS!

Well, so, wait.

[RUSS]

Quote: Ham

what result? what they repeated their achievements from the 70s?))) is it after landing on the moon then?

Just delve into the minimum "performance characteristics" of the ship and the Musk rocket, stage return and reusable use of the ship is this also the 70s?

[Ham]

Russ tell us how much it will cost to prepare the return stage for a new flight?
how many times can the returned step fly back into orbit? 2? 8?
how much will the re-preparation of the "reusable" ship cost?
how many times can he fly?
one propaganda and no specifics ...
far from the fact that it will be "cheaper" ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Ham

Deribaska and Vekselberg are doing their job - to each his own ...

What kind of things are so important for the country?

[Trotil42]

Bullshit ... NASA customer ... Ilon performer ...

[Irokez]

Unfortunately not nonsense.
Under the handsome and smiling Mask, there is a huge amount of funding not only from NASA, but also from other military personnel. There is also Boeing and other pseudo dashing private traders behind which there is a lot of money and technologies, both their own and clearly stolen from all over the world, and some world laws turn a blind eye to this, but "if the hegemon, then you can." And all other Internet technologies and startups are basically a cover for financial and military structures. But everything is given out as the success of smart and talented private traders.
The guys go down to earth, to invest so much money on such programs and talk about an entrepreneur who is not supported by global aligarchs, finances, the military and the state in general are simply not serious and even naive.

[ALARI]

And a private company bought a floating spaceport from us, and who will provide the missiles? State or who? Who cares who finances, for 9 years they have put together a completely new system. We have both engines and developments, and we fly on the Unions of 50 years of development. Huge plans and exit zilch.

[Irokez]

Don’t boil you Artyom.
In the face of sanctions and difficulties in overcoming perestroika with such finances, the States also did little.
But:
- unions are not the same as before, but digital and with numerous improvements and enhancements that improve security and independence from other component suppliers
- our reusable Eagle is also not on paper, but is consistently sculpted and this is a fact with which you will not argue
- launchers, although with a creak, are also being developed and of various modifications and this is also a fact
- the spaceport is also being finished
And I repeat all this in the most difficult conditions of the current time for Russia, but still there is confidence and good that everything will be well completed and completed even if there are new sanctions and there will not be much finance. We would have a budget like that of Mask.
The solution is not zilch - it's just that you don’t see what is being done inside the developments and improvements that are not outwardly noticed, but experts will say that the work is huge.
And the difference is who finances and supplies technologies because a private trader will never shoot like that with his money and technologies that he simply does not have, but he has them because everything is passed on to a silver platter and the green light shines and the interest of world corporations with a military man. The mask is the mask of our sworn "partners".

[ALARI]

Yes, I’m not boiling, I just don’t understand what is the difference between a private trader or a state. We have Roscosmos under the state, without a mask, use all the achievements in space, the result is what it is. Why?

[Irokez]

What does it mean why? We are not in the status of catching up, which is probably why.

[Trotil42]

God, how it’s all started ... read at least on the wiki ... the history of the project ... NASA did not want to engage in civilian launches within its budget ... provided a grand, a grand prize to Mask ... in view of the professionally made and worked out application. .could win even Johnson ... Musk is not involved in military projects ... Yeah Bill Gates, Musk, Jobs are mediocrity and sons of wealthy thieves? Bullshit ... From whom did the Americans steal the Internet, an iPhone?

[Irokez]

God ... if Wicca is an authority for you, then how everything is started.
Through the Mask (rockets and ship), NASA and naturally the military launches everything that it needs and accordingly the Mask they lead and pull by all means and finances, but the public, as always, is told half the truth, and not everyone and people naively believe that Mask himself, one without the help of the great or the exceptional has achieved such success.
Well, yes, Bill and Jobs and all kinds of Zuckermans do not participate in surveillance or collection of information from around the world and fluffy and whites do not know anything about global control and surveillance or espionage. Each area of ​​activity operates in its own way in the global system and this can not be refuted, but everything is presented to simple and mortal consumers as exclusively for people and their blessings and the majority believe in it.
The Internet is the beginning for the military developments of the 60s and 70s, which were the foundation of the World Wide Web, but under whose patronage?

[Trotil42]

Musk spent on the development and creation of 0,4 billion dollars ...... less than we are on the hangar .. and what flew? We still fly on royal missiles 53 years ago .. The thing is in the progress of knowledge and technology .. but not in surveillance ....
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/sailord/3-glavnyh-otlichiia-rakety-ilona-maska-crew-dragon-ot-rossiiskogo-soiuza-5ed548b4b879e45002e98900

[Irokez]

Quote: Trotil42

We still fly on Royal missiles 53 years ago.

And what did the Americans fly for 9 years before? Why aren’t you talking about this?
And yes, we also saw the Eagle, and in the future it will fly too, but you are keeping quiet about it by purposefully propagating the backwardness of our country.
The Americans forced this project as well as the Mask rivals, because it was very important for them in many ways, well, they clearly flew and what was so stunning. The return stage is written, which can be used a second time, and maybe it can’t, you don’t know. Likewise, the descent vehicle may seem to be able to. Statistics will show, but for now, just watch and support your industry.

[Trotil42]

The Americans before that flew the unions without bothering and did their project ... The hangar is already more expensive than the Crew Dragon ........... and what flew? Will the eagle fly? How is Angara? From the East?

[Irokez]

Quote: Trotil42

Will the eagle fly? How is Angara? From the East?

And what do you think? Why is all this done?

[Trotil42]

For the cut it’s done ... they already forgot about Vostochny .. Rogozin said that they would modernize Boykonur ... He also sawed the hangar .. The mask didn’t even dream of such bablos ...

[Irokez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Ix88-egqc

[MMX]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Well done Yankees, 9 years after the Shuttle finally gave birth to technology of the 60s

They gave birth to technology of the 21st century - from spacesuits to the ship and control systems. And most importantly - this is not NASA, with its inefficiency, but a private company and initiative.

Spacesuits, spaceships and control systems were invented only in the 21st century ???

That Musk could yank a yacht 300 meters away or buy English football, but no, he trampled into space ... laughing

And what, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams? Every single billionaires "stick" into space ??

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: MMX

And what, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams? Every single billionaires "stick" into space ??

Well, for example, 20% of the yachts, of the top 25 most expensive, belong to citizens of the Russian Federation. But the share of the Russian Federation in the global economy is 2-3%. If for me, then this is a diagnosis of the economic and political structure of the country as a whole, and our elite in particular. Such a terrible diagnosis, at the level of cancer of the 4th stage ..

[Vadim237]

The share of Russia in the world economy is 3% - out of 200 countries Russia's GDP is 1700 billion dollars - 108 trillion rubles - 11th in the world in terms of GDP PPP 4400 billion dollars last year 6 in the world - what kind of Russia is poor and backward "If for me, then this is a diagnosis of the economic and political structure of the country as a whole, and our elite in particular. This is a terrible diagnosis, at the level of stage 4 cancer .. "- Ash takes horror.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Vadim237

Russia's share in the global economy 3%

Do you think by PPP? Okay. But in 1992 the share was 5,2%. In 2001 - 3.2%. In 2008 - 3.9%. And now 3. Total, for 28 years of capitalist prosperity .... Degradation is almost doubled. And over 19 years of Putinism, almost 10% has been lost, well, 6,67% of the already modest contribution. Simply put, the world, on average, is developing faster by 0.33% per year than "prosperous" Russia. And even more simply ... Slow, immediately imperceptible, but not stopping degradation. By the way. In 2-3 years Russia will let Indonesia go ahead in terms of GDP.
This is the price of Mr. Putin and his friends. Doesn’t it bother you? Forgotten by God, Indonesia, over 8 years of Yeltsinism and 20 Putinism, is ahead of Russia ... Do you really think that the country is on the right track?
Dixi.

[MMX]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Vadim237

Russia's share in the global economy 3%

Do you think by PPP? Okay. But in 1992 the share was 5,2%. In 2001 - 3.2%. In 2008 - 3.9%. And now 3. Total, for 28 years of capitalist prosperity .... Degradation is almost doubled. And over 19 years of Putinism, almost 10% has been lost, well, 6,67% of the already modest contribution. Simply put, the world, on average, is developing faster by 0.33% per year than "prosperous" Russia. And even more simply ... Slow, immediately imperceptible, but not stopping degradation. By the way. In 2-3 years Russia will let Indonesia go ahead in terms of GDP.
This is the price of Mr. Putin and his friends. Doesn’t it bother you? Forgotten by God, Indonesia, over 8 years of Yeltsinism and 20 Putinism, is ahead of Russia ... Do you really think that the country is on the right track?
Dixi.

US economy share of the world:
in 1960 - 40%
in 1985 - 35%
in 2018 - 22%
Obviously, it is degrading. Slowly but surely degrading. By the way, in 5-6 years, China will pass forward.
Do you really think that the USA is on the right track?

[Vadim237]

For these 28 years after the collapse of the USSR, economies of 200 countries of the world did not stand still - production grew there, you compare global GDP 28 years ago and now - otherwise all countries in your parallel universe are doing nothing 28 years in a row, and Russia is producing less and less because Putin is to blame. And let's not compare the incomparable Russia and Indonesia and each country individually with other countries because it is complete idiocy - different prices different costs different sectors of the formation of the economy climatic conditions territory population mentality state administration laws history and in general everything. And the most important economic indicator of corporations of public administration companies and others - this is not the number of products and services released - but the indicator of net profit for the year.

[MMX]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: MMX

And what, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams? Every single billionaires "stick" into space ??

Well, for example, 20% of the yachts, of the top 25 most expensive, belong to citizens of the Russian Federation. But the share of the Russian Federation in the global economy is 2-3%. If for me, then this is a diagnosis of the economic and political structure of the country as a whole, and our elite in particular. Such a terrible diagnosis, at the level of cancer of the 4th stage ..

And if you expand the list? Or are there only 25 yachts in the world?
Not enough data for such a bold diagnosis.

[RUSS]

Quote: MMX

And what, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams? Every single billionaire in space "

They buy yachts and clubs, but many invest in science and space, such as Jeffrey Beesos, an American entrepreneur, founder and head of the Internet company Amazon.com, and subsequently founder and owner of the aerospace company Blue Origin.

[MMX]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: MMX

And what, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams? Every single billionaire in space "

They buy yachts and clubs, but many invest in science and space, such as Jeffrey Beesos, an American entrepreneur, founder and head of the Internet company Amazon.com, and subsequently founder and owner of the aerospace company Blue Origin.

Many, this is how I understand Jeff Bezos?

[New Year day]

Quote: MMX

What, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams?

Do you want to compare social stratification and living standards in Europe and in Russia?

[MMX]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: MMX

What, in Western countries, no one buys yachts or football teams?

Do you want to compare social stratification and living standards in Europe and in Russia?

Why not compare? Everything is subject to comparison. Compare.

[Tavrik]

Buy. But there are such Masks that want not only yachts and crews. Remember Bill Gates too ...

[Genry]

Quote: Keyser Soze

They gave birth to technology of the 21st century - from spacesuits

The suits? These are some kind of fire robes from maskovskogo designer. There is no life support system, .... - nothing at all.

Quote: Keyser Soze

And most importantly - this is not NASA, with its inefficiency, but a private company and initiative.

And what kind of emblem do they have on their shoulders?
Apparently you have fooled ....

[Blackmokona]

These are spacesuits for shipboard activities like our Falcon, and NASA's astronauts. Musk signed up to make a ship and a rocket to deliver these astronauts to the ISS

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

These are spacesuits for shipborne activities like our Falcon

Where are the life support systems, condition monitoring? There is nothing.

Quote: BlackMokona

Musk signed up to make a ship and a rocket to deliver these astronauts to the ISS

So it directs and finances NASA, and not Musk himself for his hard-earned money.

[Blackmokona]

1) Inside, the port connecting to the ship systems on foot. Covered with white cloth
2) NASA customer delivery services, Musk contractor.
Here you are, for example, in a taxi, you manage and finance all the work

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

1) Inside, the port connecting to the ship systems on foot. Covered with white cloth

And where is the urine and the bag holder? Where is the air inlet-outlet of the respiratory system? Where is the system of interior suit ventilation and microclimate?
Does it all connect on the foot?

Quote: BlackMokona

2) NASA customer delivery services, Musk contractor.

What am I talking about ... Starting NASA!

[Blackmokona]

1) In the ship, in these spacesuits they are only during take-off and landing. The rest of the time they do not need. A couple of hours may suffer
2) On the foot inlet-outlet for respiratory.
3) In the same place.

4) Yeah, a taxi was developed and already made by Musk

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

1) In the ship, in these spacesuits they are only during take-off and landing. The rest of the time they do not need. A couple of hours may suffer

A couple of hours? A violation of the tightness of the ship?
And if an accident .... These spacesuits must provide life before the descent, which can drag on for several days.

[Blackmokona]

No come down they should immediately. Here for comparison, our Sokolik in which the Union fly.

The spacesuit "Falcon" is not intended to go into outer space, but can withstand these conditions. The spacesuit is designed to stay in a vacuum up to 125 minutes, which is due to the small on-board oxygen supply and limitations on the thermal regime. In case of depressurization of the cabin, landing must be made during this time.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: BlackMokona

Suit “Falcon”

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Genry

Where are the life support systems, condition monitoring? There is nothing.

You probably didn’t notice that our systems are being dragged in boxes

[Genry]

Quote: Pilat2009

You probably didn’t notice that our systems are being dragged in boxes

Have you noticed that the conversation is about "theirs"?
And they have no hoses with autonomous life support devices.

[Blackmokona]

The hose is attached to the foot

[Courier]

They have on their shoulder SpaceX; Dear Henry Crot

[Genry]

Quote: Courier

They have SpaceX on their shoulder

Without emblems and in small letters.
And NASA is written on the chest and no SpaceX.
There you go, Grass Courier.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Genry

NASA is also written on the chest

And at Schalke 04 - Gazprom is written on the chest.

[Non liberoid Russian]

I love limitrophs, any nonsense can be given out for the owner

[culinary]

Yachts with an aircraft carrier and English football clubs are the lot of Russian, Arab and Indian personalities close to big money ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Keyser Soze

And most importantly - this is not NASA, with its inefficiency, but a private company and initiative.

And before who? Do you want to say that McDonnell Douglas, General Dynamics, North American Rockwell is NASA? They put a media person and announced the success of a private company. In case of failure they will eat it, not NASA

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Well done Yankees, 9 years after the Shuttle finally gave birth to technology of the 60s

They gave birth to technology of the 21st century - from spacesuits to the ship and control systems. And most importantly - this is not NASA, with its inefficiency, but a private company and initiative.

That Musk could yank a yacht 300 meters away or buy English football, but no, he ran into Space ...

How accurately noticed! I’m looking at all this, oh my God, what a bad man that is, it's like exchanging gold for beads and hats. Savages broke to yachts, sages to stars

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Vol4ara

Savages broke to yachts, sages to stars

Lysnul at the beginning. Wait for the prize ...

[Chamber No. 6]

Do not forget to vyaknut "urya", you are watching ours!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Once again, I congratulate the Americans on the successful continuation of the exploration of world space. I am glad that the case of Gagarin and Clark does not stand still. I hope to live to more significant news about the conquest of spaces.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I'm glad that the case of Gagarin and Clark does not stand still

I hope that Rogozin will be kicked out together with his managers

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I'm glad that the case of Gagarin and Clark does not stand still

I hope that Rogozin will be kicked out together with his managers

Hopefully his revolutionary strength will come out with bayonets of rifles. All pissed off, dumped over a hill, and we live here

[Tavrik]

Finally, an adequate comment. It is a pity that the case of Korolev and Gagarin is continued across the ocean, but even so.

[Stirbjorn]

What can I say, well done Musk. Progress must not stand still!

[Voltsky]

Well, let Rogozin begin to puff and work, so as not to be known as a balabol.

[senima56]

How he was a "balabol" and will remain so! People either do business in silence, or, like Rogozin, they grind with their tongues!

[Voltsky]

Maybe Elon Musk and "Ostap Bender" of our time, but Rogozin is just idle talk.

Well, he has a couple of years, and then Roscosmos will begin to squeeze out of the market, we will hide it from the heart from the heart and with all the moisturizing.

[Vadim237]

Russia will have everything in space by 2030 - 35 years old Irtysh, Oryol, Vostochny to the fullest on launches will ride like cheese in oil, Sphere 620 satellites in orbit, Angara 5V, Yenisei, Don, space elevator, second Buran, own station on orbit the Earth, a base on the moon, a space interplanetary tug with a nuclear propulsion system, flights to Mars robotic stations - in the 2045th manned flight to Mars - in Roscosmos they said you know the guys will not lie about it every year they say that they would not forget.

[Commissar77]

Right I looked at your nickname to double-check, thought Rogozinsky propaganda slipped wrote. He usually writes about paradise here instead of moving our cosmonautics.

[impostor]

Well, undoubted success. Musk is a talented pepper!

[seregin-s1]

Musk is the chief designer?

[Blackmokona]

Musk General Designer in SpaceX

[culinary]

Musk is a concentrator of financial and human resources to achieve a specific goal!
But Rogozin is a trampoline, and already for Russia.

[anjey]

We can only be happy for the Yankees, so they will be able to fly to the moon in 50 years And we will probably strategically need our own orbital station, a good replacement for Mir, Rogozin and K were moving, stepping on their heels ...

[senima56]

And the "trampoline" worked. Dmitry Olegovich, how are you?

[Shahno]

In principle, I had no doubt. Who does everything right and at the same time has a sufficient amount of investment and perseverance. The logical result.

[anjey]

That's right, Dear, only your "Jumping" jumps, they would be silent in a rag.

[impostor]

The mask is left to be given to Olegich at the dash with two hands from Glock)))

[Oleg Zorin]

Why Mask these cheap show-offs?

[Ghost of reagan]

And then Starliner, and then Starship and SLS ....
The farther the more Americans will receive an overwhelming advantage in space. This is by the way that the SOI will never create, that the Space Forces are Trump's ravings and more. Space is the last frontier in front of infinite power over everything ...!

[Linxs]

Musk said on the air that the trampoline is working ...
Hmm.

[seregin-s1]

Nine years did a trampoline. And we are all outraged about the right.

[DMB84]

For nine years they did and flew. And during this time we have ruined the remains of the Soviet heritage. During this time, the Union would have cut through Mars. And we have one chatter and drank. It's disgusting ....

[culinary]

Chic banter !!!

[Linxs]

I'm serious. Live broadcast announced yesterday. I can find the link if necessary.

[shahor]

Congratulations to all of us. Cosmos is common, and Musk in this case is a talented and effective representative of humanity. His achievements are the result of a creative rethinking of the work of previous generations of the same talents, plus his own contribution. In my opinion, in the coming years it is from him that we can expect that fairy tales will come true ... It is a pity that we hear only fairy tales from other people working in this field.

[rocket757]

Of course, our achievements do not shine, but the Yankees did not invent anything new. It's all stomping on ... around the earth, yesterday. Here is the lunar race, the race for Mars, it’s much like an interesnai.

[anjey]

You know, in order to fly to Mars, you must first learn to live correctly on Earth. .

[rocket757]

And who has learned to live right on earth?
In addition to primitive people, you will not remember anyone at once.
As soon as people began to organize large communities, it started and the stop of this process was not visible.

[anjey]

So, for example, we will start fighting with each other for the Martian raw materials, when humanity grows wiser and unites, then the time of cosmic discoveries will be to the benefit of mankind.

[rocket757]

Quote: anjey

when humanity grows wiser and unites, then

This is a worthy version, in terms of the progress of human consciousness. Unfortunately, we did not wait for this.

[anjey]

Yes, unfortunately, people have risen to the upper level by information and technology, but it’s just not moral, here progress is regressing.

[rocket757]

It is very unpleasant to see it, but it is a fact.
The era of high culture and romanticism, once again ... if it didn’t end, it was interrupted. How long this will last, no one will say, because no one knows what will be in front of.
But we will hope that the renaissance comes again. As it was before.
By the way, when humanity breaks away from the Earth and learns to travel in space, a rebirth may occur. It is possible after all.

[spirit]

You can also say about the car, but that nobody wants to ride a 40-year-old) optimization, new technologies and materials of the control system, just take a look at the union and dragon panels and everything will become clear to you about stomping on the spot.

[rocket757]

Quote: spirit

You can also say about the car, but that nobody wants to ride 40 year olds)

Why, there are lovers. You can see older instances. Retro, however.
About our space industry did not speak only ... very lazy. I do not want to repeat the obvious.
I’m completely offended, I’ve taken some part in that process. But it was in another country .....
now it remains only to say, FOR THE POWER, IT IS SORRY.

[Lord of the Sith]

Oh my god, how many sick maskophiles have flown up .... You need to be treated with electricity.

Calm down at last!
Worse than pro-European Sumerians.

[HUNTERDON]

that's for sure - they live by the principle: - all their own - clothes, everything else's - things

[Fungus]

Yes, cool to read them Mask is like a god. You see, they don’t have space, so they pray at the Mask. We’ve been flying into space for 50 years already. We don’t care about the mask. And they are insulted and pray.

[Shahno]

Why, like a god ... He is one of ten to twenty. And there is still on the way.

[Comrade Michael]

Mars rovers: Sojorner (1997); identical Spirit (2004-2010) and Opportunity (from 2004-2019); Curiosity (since 2012).

[impostor]

O tempora! O mores! The damned virus is to blame. Well, no mask, no mask fine 5 tyrlov ...

[Pvi1206]

many commentators were saddened by the successful start of the mission ... we must wait for its completion ... we wish them success ...

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Oh my god, how many sick maskophiles have flown up .... You need to be treated with electricity.

Calm down at last!
Worse than pro-European Sumerians.

I have a colleague, in a working chat he posted as many as three "mattresses" in a row with great joy

[Gennady Korsunov]

Yes, what can I say !! Shame on all these crooks in our power! I was 8 years old, but I remember very well when the teacher entered the class and announced. Guys today, our man flew into space. Do you think we guys were not proud of their country? And how! We did not know who rules the country. But they knew that the miners had given out to the mountain, that the steelworkers had welded so much that we were in space. But that was in the past. And now, looking at our reality, I wonder where these scum my peers ruling our country came from. Sorry pent.

[HUNTERDON]

the world has changed, not only we ...

[sagitch]

So after all, we are flying into space, we ourselves, as before, have not stopped. Private trader came in, well done, found a niche. And after all, he earned, did not steal!

[1536]

And I believe that an organizer like S.P. Korolev. Which will unite together space enterprises, stop "sawing" and "cutting" of the dough by the random "bark beetles" that have sucked, their empty promises and flat jokes will go into oblivion. And again, the exploration of outer space will become interesting for young people, again there will be victories and great achievements. And our cosmonauts will again say that they are inspired by Gagarin's first flight into space, and other Russian achievements in space exploration.

[Comrade Michael]

With this power no one will appear ...

[Antokha]

And I believe that an organizer like S.P. Korolev. Which will unite together space enterprises, stop "sawing" and "cutting" of the dough by the random "bark beetles" that have sucked, their empty promises and flat jokes will go into oblivion.

I join you, colleague. The day for our country is not joyful, they made us, and not in a race, but [as] standing. It happens! We were beaten repeatedly, and when we beat the Americans, they were just as bitter. We will draw conclusions, and it's time to start working. And the talk that our bosses are stupid is always so. And the same Korolev climbed through it. Launched Gagarin. and soon died. But he created a rocket. Such is the price of prestige of the motherland. But it’s easy to start, the burden of past victories no longer crushes.

[Linxs]

Quote: 1536

And I believe that an organizer like S.P. Korolev. Which will unite together space enterprises, stop "sawing" and "cutting" of the dough by the random "bark beetles" that have sucked, their empty promises and flat jokes will go into oblivion. And again, the exploration of outer space will become interesting for young people, again there will be victories and great achievements. And our cosmonauts will again say that they are inspired by Gagarin's first flight into space, and other Russian achievements in space exploration.

Wake you up when such a person appears?

[AU Ivanov.]

Korolev did not unite anything. He was one of the designer. The space program was supervised and coordinated by the Minsredmash.

[eklmn]

An interesting article in Gazeta.ru:
“On your trampoline: Americans fly to the ISS”
In the article, the author writes:
“SpaceX and Elon Musk are a splinter in one place, it was a sewn and thorn in the eye of Roscosmos,” said Vadim Lukashevich, an early astronautics expert. Everyone remembers this remark of Rogozin about the trampoline. In fact, this is not just jealousy, it is a constant headache ”
“On the eve of the launch of Crew Dragon, Rogozin also made a lot of political statements, which could not fail to notice in the west. So, according to him, the flights of American astronauts on the Soyuz spacecraft all these years "restrained the Russian scientific program on the ISS."
“We, naive, thought that we did not have science on the ISS, because for 15 years we could not launch the specialized module“ Science ”, stuffed with equipment to conduct our scientific research and experiments on the Russian segment of the ISS. And it turns out that for 9 years the Americans prevented us, whom we drove for a big fee at the Soyuz, beat us on the hands, preventing us from launching our Science on the Proton, ”said Lukashevich. - Dmitry Rogozin is right in one way - there is no our science on the ISS. All our other partners have completed their segments many years ago, equipping them with the necessary scientific equipment, and have long been engaged in science. ”

I completely agree with Lukashevich - the successful launch of SpaceX is a constant jealousy, gradually turning into paranoia, which is already noticeable in the comments. To reduce the pain of those who are immune to other people's successes, I’ll say that the Russian missile is better than the Amer’s one, it is all-weather. In addition, it flies to the ISS in a couple of hours, and the Americans in a day, which leads to overspending of diapers. In addition, in English. the language is 24 letters, and in Russian 33, so the names for missiles in Russia are much larger than in the United States.

[UserGun]

Quote: eklmn

successful launch of SpaceX is a constant jealousy, gradually turning into paranoia

Clowns burn not childishly with envy)))

"The first deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, Alexander Sherin, announced the possible Russian origin of SpaceX's crewed spaceship Crew Dragon, Ilona Mask. He expressed this version on Sunday, May 31, in an interview with Moscow Says."

“We need to see how many components in this rocket are Russian. Whose engines are on Elon Musk's ship? We need to clarify this question. I cannot yet clearly and clearly say, "- said Sherin."

You read such a blizzard from the "elite" and you are not surprised at anything. Only laughter from such Petrosyans)))

[eklmn]

When propaganda from all holes broadcasts about the “exceptional genome” of civilization, which occupies 1/7 of the land, and thanks to which mankind has not yet degraded, then any “second place” or simply ignore leads in some way to an inadequate reaction - “what_and_that?” , "Without us?" , “Can't be this !!”
Brainwashing affects the adequate perception of events. Annoyingly, but a fact ...

[UserGun]

Yes. The only "breakthrough" in 20 years is the dominance of propaganda, in comparison with which the propaganda of the USSR is just an innocent prank. I sometimes get the impression that the descendants of Goebbels were miraculously reborn in the Russian Federation. Especially lately.

[aiden]

In our Duma, laws are passed by those who must take pills in a mental hospital. We have in power those who should be in prison

[spirit]

Would you even understand the rockets first! 1) A day flew to check all the systems if necessary, they would bring them as quickly as the union, 2) the dragon has a toilet 3) the launch was postponed not because of the weatherproof rocket, but because of the trajectory and weather in the event of an emergency landing. Would you launch our astronauts from the east if there was a storm in the ocean? How to get them later? That's it !!!

[eklmn]

“Would you even understand the rockets first!” ”
SW Spirit, I regret that you did not understand my irony / sarcasm. Just the number of comments that see the “shortcomings” of SpaceX is such a huge number that I decided to play along with them. I’m like a cesspool worker - where there are poop thoughts, there will be my comments ...
And without any modesty - read my comments, I’m sure that you will like the majority ... And in secret - as an Amer, I am well acquainted with SpaceX products, because I like her, damn it ...!

[spirit]

Dear eklmn Irony really did not make out, good to you

[Venya Selnikov]

Quote: eklmn

The Russian missile is better than the Amer’s one, it is all-weather. In addition, it reaches the ISS in a couple of hours, and the Americans in a day

There is only one type of all-weather missiles - this is ICBMs.
All other launch vehicles have their launch limitations depending on weather conditions. In addition, NASA ... to put it mildly, its paranoid troubles about security and its provision, for example, the launch will be prohibited if the weather for a few hundred km is so unfavorable that in the scenario with an aborted launch (on any part of the trajectory) lifeguards may have trouble finding and saving capsules in the ocean.
The weather dependence of the USA is higher. spaceport on the ocean. Worse (unpredictable) weather only in the mountains.
They could build a spaceport, as we, inside the continent, have no shortage in the deserts, where the weather is much more stable, but ... on the ocean there are pluses that outweigh their disadvantages.
About "get there faster".
This is the first flight of a manned Dragon, so they were fully insured in the first flight, and they carried out a bunch of additional tests.
In the next flights they will dock much faster, you will see.

[alessio]

Well done, Americans! Without trilliards, state funds, sons and friends of ministers, super-efficient managers. Bravo!

[Infinity]

A lot is being written about this event now, and different points of view, from extremely positive to vice versa. Moreover, it seems that we are discussing this event more than in America Only here in the previous news there are already almost 500 comments, this is very rare. I will not write about Rogozin and Mask, here and so they have written everything about it. I'll write about something else. About 10 million people watched the launch broadcast only on NASA and SpaceX streams at the same time, and there were other streams as well! Many have looked at the recording. Why am I doing this?
Whoever said anything, but still our society has not forgotten about the stars. The picture that I attached, it is still not entirely relevant. In this difficult time, people are still ready to look up! Yes, many are only interested in the political aspect (alas, we have a lot of these), but it was the launch itself that interested those millions of people from all over the world. Launch into space! The spaceship itself and the mission.
Further. Many people say that this is a show, and space should be serious. There is such a thing. But ... is it really that bad? Do you want a gray, boring report? Remember how much joy there was in the issue of Pravda on April 13, 1961! Surely now there would be those who would call it posturing and pathos. But it attracts attention, including young people. Bright designs too. Yes, inside the capsule, just like in an NF movie set. There is not much practical sense in this (the functionality is there, the CC flew and docked), but ... this is a really attractive picture. And I repeat once again - for the youth, first of all. And maybe some boy will look at this, understand that it is "cool", and will want to devote himself to space. Interest will appear, will teach physics and other sciences. And maybe he will become the new Korolev. And even if not, then an intelligent specialist, maybe even in other areas.

In general, the message of everything I have written is this. Even if this is not a launch of the Vostok-1 or Apollo-11 level, it is good that they say about it and that it is not gray. For many, launching into space is already a routine. But this is not so, it is a huge work, and each launch is a joyful event for the thousands of people who worked on it. And more importantly, ordinary people are keenly interested. They don't give a damn! So, all is not lost, as many people think, by no means all.
PS: For all of Humanity!

[dima314]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

- how do you imagine his jumping and why should he bite his elbows? What unions stopped flying?). maybe you jump from happiness even without a trampoline because you admire the achievements of the Amers to which you have nothing to do except gloating against Russia.

[Linxs]

If you build the same store opposite the store, but the products there will be cheaper.
What do you think, where will people go and what will happen to the store (the one that is more expensive) in 3-5-10 years if there are no buyers in it?

Correctly. Leave for themselves and under the military.

[petrol cutter]

Well, thank God.
Everyone is alive, the car is work ?!
And good.
It’s good, then?!.

[sagitch]

What to say? Well done, Elon Musk !!!

[UserGun]

Quote: eklmn

the Russian missile is better than the amer missile, it is all-weather.

These are actually NASA requirements, i.e. the customer. Falcon is no different in this respect from unions.

[eklmn]

Thanks for clarification, I am in the know. Just a habit of teasing ...
On some site there were about 80 comments about the all-weather alliances and the tenderness of SpaceX, I decided to troll this topic ...

[Comrade Michael]

In space exploration, they, the Japanese and the Europeans, have long gone ahead ... We only had space transport to orbit on old tuned rockets ...

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Quote: Comrade Michael

In deep space exploration, they, the Japanese and Europeans, have long gone ahead ...

Another dunno, which are a dime a dozen.

Right now, Mars research is underway from our orbits with our instruments from the TGO apparatus of the ExoMars 2016 mission:

Right now, the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory is scanning the starry sky at the Lagrange point L2 with the highest resolution:

Right now, our LAND neutron detector is on the LRO lunar probe. Currently, the LEND device is operating normally. The construction of a global map of the neutron radiation of the moon with a spatial resolution of about 10 km was completed. Telemetric and scientific data are received at the IKI RAS, archived and processed in the scientific group of the LEND experiment.

Right now, our MGNS device (spectrometer) is flying on a Beppy Colombo device to Mercury, the last check showed that all the nodes and systems of the device are working properly, there are no comments. The first flight calibrations of the instrument’s detectors were carried out, data on the background fluxes of gamma rays and neutrons on board the spacecraft were obtained.

etc. etc. the Japanese and the Europeans are far from gone.

[Comrade Michael]

I know all this. Making the final product and developing the whole program and making units and assemblies for someone else's product is a big difference. Need to explain the obvious, ignoramus? And yes, I don’t need to put these children's pictures from advertising booklets. Tell that under the communists in the 70s developed entirely? He showed me a tinker here on a foreign board ...)))

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Quote: Comrade Michael

I know all this.

Then why are you driving the blizzard?

Quote: Comrade Michael

Making the final product and developing the whole program and making units and assemblies for someone else's product is a big difference.

And about international cooperation, are you rumor or spirit?

Quote: Comrade Michael

Need to explain the obvious, ignoramus?

So you do not know the elementary. For example, the Spektr-RG observatory has a Russian service board, and the payload is made in international cooperation, the same applies to foreign spacecraft such as TGO, BeppiColombo or James Webb. Yes, even on the Lyubopistvo rover there are foreign devices, including the Russian one. Ignoramus.

Quote: Comrade Michael

And yes, I don’t need to put these children's pictures from advertising booklets.

Do you need photos? Here they are:

Quote: Comrade Michael

Tell that under the communists in the 70s developed entirely?

So there aren’t those communists, but today's ones are simply impotent. Are you a communist?

Quote: Comrade Michael

He showed me a tinker here on a foreign board ...)))

So all the rest of the iron is required for the delivery of devices to the target. They are the most important in interplanetary work. Their data are then used in science. Eyes that develop. We just use the services of cab drivers.

[Lord of the Sith]

How many maskophiles in a frenzy ... People, oversleep, then think.

[Dikson]

With the return of the American manned astronautics in space, an arms race will inevitably begin .. And our Roskosmos will turn from a cab into a sucker truck .. They argued about the reusability not so long ago .. Yes, the Shuttle was expensive, but tell me, was it normal twice a month or once to stoke a space truck in the ocean with used diapers on board? He is not just a tin bucket ... Why doesn’t anyone consider this a squandering of state money? Americans carried and will again carry tons of materials and cargo from tons of orbits, and we will serve space outhouses and sink Progress with shit in the ocean ..

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Quote: Dikson

With the return of the American manned astronautics in space, the arms race will inevitably begin .. And our Roscosmos will turn from a cab into a suction truck ..

That's it, our inspector companions are chasing Keyhol Trying to remove it is not otherwise.

Quote: Dikson

Is it normal to stoke a space truck twice a month or once in the ocean with used diapers on board? He is not just a tin bucket ... Why doesn’t anyone consider this a squandering of state money?

And who told you that TGK does not work out the costs of it? Besides the fact that he brings fuel for the ISS and cargo for the astronauts, and takes the garbage back, some of them carry out technological experiments in autonomous flight.

Quote: Dikson

Americans drove and will again carry tons of materials and cargo from tons of orbits

STA? there is no industrial production in space to carry tons. And the results of most space experiments fit on a simple flash drive. In the event that pilot production starts, we have developed and are planning to launch the Soyuz-GVK, a cargo-return ship.

[Dikson]

And what kind of load will it return? 300 kg? And then to the junkyard after landing? It's not that I admire the Americans .. but I like their craving for comfort and size .. "Skylab" how much bigger was "Salut"? How much space for cargo and astronauts did the Shuttles have? And as you write "in the case of the start of experimental industrial production .." - this means almost never ..))) I see a simple parallel with AvtoVAZ .. How many decades the plant changed the shape of the shades, molded moldings and dabbled with the shape of the headrests, giving it away for the "new model of Zhiguli"? How many years did they sit on their butts using an Italian 70s model? And why invent something new, - people are stupid, not spoiled by foreign cars, and they will buy it up ... So will Roscosmos, forgive me ... I understand that a lot of enthusiasts are probably working on projects of new ships and systems ... but at the end the same Zhiguli with new sidelights remain ..

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Quote: Dikson

And what load will he return? 300 kg?

Half a ton, this is enough for pilot operation.

Quote: Dikson

And then him to a landfill, after landing?

It's cheaper and easier to make a new one than using the same old one.

Quote: Dikson

Not that I admire the Americans .. but I like their craving for comfort and size .. "Skylab" how much bigger was "Salut"?

The Skylab station is a converted fuel tank from the super-heavy rocket Saturn 5. It was launched by the very same Saturn 5. Therefore, it was of this size. At that moment, the USSR did not have its own super-heavy rocket H1.
The DOS and OPS stations, which were called Salyut, are self-sufficient spacecraft for a crew of two or three cosmonauts, with a comfortable living environment. They were taken out by a heavy Proton-K rocket, therefore they have this size. Can you estimate which one:

Quote: Dikson

How much space for cargo and astronauts did the Shuttles have?

Less space for the crew than in DOS or OPS. Cargo from the stations was returned in special small-sized capsules.

Quote: Dikson

And as you write "in the case of the start of pilot production .." - this means almost never ..)))

This is why, we already had the Kristall module, which was developed on the basis of the functional cargo compartment of the transport supply ship. As well as MLM-U "Science".

“Crystal” was a scientific laboratory equipped with equipment and apparatus for the pilot industrial production of ultra-pure semiconductor materials and high-quality metal alloys in zero gravity, conducting biotechnological experiments with protein preparations, cell structures and promising pharmacology, observing the Earth’s surface and performing astrophysical studies using block of spectrometers and ultraviolet telescope "Glazar-2".

So everything is new, this is the previously used old. Only upgraded to the current time.

Quote: Dikson

I see a parallel simple with AvtoVAZ ..

Did you use Vesta or X-ray? Good B-class cars. No worse than Kia Rio or Polo.

Quote: Dikson

So is Roskosmos, excuse me ...

Not this way. We are now creating - new Angara and Soyuz-5 rockets, a scientific and energy module on a new space platform, and a new generation spacecraft.

[rocket757]

The space industry is limping on both ... nozzles! So we have a lot of where lame. With loud statements, decrees, nothing can be fixed ... although all this resembles a distracting information noise.
In "Baghdad", after all, everything is calm, you can say in chocolate ... to say that a specific friend is not enough for them is useless. It is not and is not expected.

[Red Alert]

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: seregin-s1

Did you really believe that the US could not build a rocket? Was an effective manager supposed to blow her up? Rave!

I was always sure of this, and I was indignant why in the Roskosmos such a hut and inaction, hands go in trousers. It remains to shine with growth and icebreakers and the project of the Russian Federation can be closed as a failed

Because the terrible USSR collapsed

[jaroff]

And what, in the bastard, just rejoice in technological progress?

[Courier]

Even V. Soloviev did not allow himself attacks in the direction of the flight of the Crew Dragon, very revealingly.
But cheers patriots do not understand.
The Americans did not make sense to make ships for the ISS; she has a maximum of 8 years left; further only private traders.
But what Roskosmos will do in 10 years, when the ISS disappears, is completely unclear

[Lena Petrova]

Lord, a country that stated 50 years ago that it flew to the moon, finally again flew independently into space! Truly a breakthrough of the century!

[opuonmed]

Well, the Americans fellows in the Russian Federation for a long time there are carabls, but something new is needed! shas usa is easy to impose their ships otherwise sanctions and so

[Nychego]

As Musk quite rightly said, "The trampoline works!"

[Serge_]

All the same, the situation was strange for 9 years, the Americans flew into space on Russian rockets for money. Perhaps this was a blow to the pride of the patriots of America and so on.
Personally, I want to add, space is not a toy and all sorts of fashionable, beautifully designed space x stuffed to the eyeballs with electronics in an instant can turn into a pile of scrap metal there. There in space, the main reliability of technology. From the first successful flight it is difficult to judge what will happen to the space program in the future. Time will show and put everything in its place.

[Connor MacLeod]

Okay, no panic! We put the Union on Proton and go on the flyby of the Moon. Both the Union and Proton were created as part of the Soviet Lunar Program. The hangar and the Federation in FIG are not needed. With minimal investment and minimal time, Americans can wipe their nose. Come on, Rogozin, move, lose!

[Connor MacLeod]

The launch of Probe 5 with turtles on board, which became the first terrestrial organisms to fly around the moon. September 15, 1968.



We work, Rogozin, we work! Do not brake!

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The launch of the AMS Luna-25 is scheduled for October 2021.

[Connor MacLeod]

What the hell is this? Is it possible in more detail about the launch vehicle?

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Quote: Connor MacLeod

What the hell is this? Is it possible in more detail about the launch vehicle?

Standard Soyuz-2.1b with Fregat upper stage. When launched from the Vostochny cosmodrome, it can send a payload weighing up to 2200 kilograms to the Moon.

The mass of the Luna-25 station is 1750 kilograms.

[Connor MacLeod]

This is all wonderful, but I talked about manned space exploration. So far, except on Proton, there is nothing to fly to the Moon on. Yes, and Proton is already under question. In general, I believe that it is prematurely written off, the potential of the rocket is completely unrealized.

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Quote: Connor MacLeod

This is all wonderful, but I talked about manned space exploration. So far, except on Proton, there’s nothing to fly to the Moon on

All the Proton-M missiles, for which contracts were signed before production ceased, are already scheduled for their payloads. In addition, Proton-M with an upper stage DM-03 brings to the Moon four and a half tons - this is very little for a manned spacecraft, and a simple flyby of the Moon by one cosmonaut is not required now, since all orbital operations on the Moon are performed by automatic stations. The Luna-26 station is currently being created for the orbit of the Moon. the launch of this station is scheduled for 2024. In the photo on the left:

Quote: Connor MacLeod

In general, I believe that it is prematurely written off, the potential of the rocket is completely unrealized.

Kazakhstan has banned the use of this rocket from its territory after the year 2025. To replace this missile in Russia, the Angara-A5 carrier was created and is being tested.

The launch pad for launching the "civil" version of this A5P (M) carrier is currently being built at the Vostochny cosmodrome, the site is ready for the end of 2022. Complex tests will begin on it from 2023.

A third hydrogen stage will be made for the A5 carrier, which will bring about 10 tons of payload to the Moon, which will allow using such a carrier to launch TGCs or small modules into the orbit of the Moon.

A new manned ship in the configuration for flying to the lunar orbit will appear no earlier than 2027.

kat something like that

[Connor MacLeod]

Did you hear anything about the interorbital tug? "Ferry" in my opinion was the name of the project ...

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Quote: Connor MacLeod

Did you hear anything about the interorbital tug? "Ferry" in my opinion was the name of the project ...

Parom is a project of a low-orbit transport and cargo system for servicing orbital stations - Parom-Clipper. It was an engine compartment with a docking port, to which it was planned to dock, as they thought, simple cargo containers. When everything was calculated, it turned out that the cost of launching the containers was comparable to the cost of launching a full-fledged spacecraft. Those. the idea was interesting, but the implementation at that technical level put an end to it. At the same time, it is possible that they will return to the idea of ​​such delivery after the creation of a transport and energy module with nuclear power generation facilities.

[Cucumbers]

Falcon returns the 1st step and the Dragon is reusable. Unions the last century, although they are reliable. About Buran and Energy forgotten and in vain a real program. If we go this way lowering the rocket launch threshold, then we can come to the option of launching a ship from the Earth. Copy or be inaccessible and incomprehensible

[Tavrik]

I still do not understand: a Protestant pastor, or at least a Catholic one illuminated this space carriage? If - "no", how did they get there?

[RUSS]

Quote: Tavrik

I still do not understand: a Protestant pastor, or at least a Catholic one illuminated this space carriage? If - "no", how did they get there?

In the USA there is no supremacy of any religion, and even more so there is no anachronism in the form of lighting missiles)

[Antokha]

sanctification. Are you sure. What do you want to raise this topic?

[Finn]

They had no problem flying to the ISS before. Return problem. We will see soon.

[DPN]

The little things are, but our best yachts in the world and islands. Maybe ours have earned something while they were engaged in a cab to the ISS.

[regdan]

The explosion of farts is satisfied.

[Pavlik K.]

Where are the "great powers" there? - "Yes we are! But we are in space! ..." Hey! Relatives, where are you ?? ALWAYS - all foreign policy, any achievements of power should have one goal - to live better for the people. Where? How much longer to wait? Min pension is already less than the steward ... Ukraine?, Yes one to one (hello, Solovyov) 2020 - generally defeats on all fronts ... Dear friend, it's time to do SOMETHING, no? , well, you won't be able to be good to everyone, and the "boyars" seem to have nothing to do with it .... Be determined, then it will be too late, Gorbachev got off easily only because times were different ...

[Svyatoslav Palchikov]

How so fu-35 decades test program, elimination of deficiencies, etc. Su-57 can also say twenty. People’s space, Yes, easily from Zero, nine years, and the rocket and ship flew two times, put on their boots and ready. Unclear?

[Tneburashka]

America is a very rich superpower with super modern rocket technology and the ability to buy leading scientists around the world and the fact that they launched the rocket is not a sensation, but a quite expected event, but what’s happening in the comments right now is the effect of advertising on the brain, but then how can it live on the whole world with humor and it's just a rocket, and they with their resources should at least run an Enterprise

[Alexey from Perm]

Compare Ilona Mask, his work with any oligarch-robber from Russia, such as Potanin)))

[tolmachiev51]

With what pomp they presented the world with yesterday’s “food”!!! Everything is in Hollywood style.

[Lontus]

They promised to launch the version of Trumpolainer 2 in 2016, and for the manned version of the cargo version of Trumpolainer 1 in 2012.

And so everything is true.
from the newspaper "Vestnik Liberala".

The Russian government has screwed up again

1.06.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX Yesterday was a terrible day, full of pathos and hypocrisy. The successful docking of the Russian Trumpolainer spacecraft to the international space station was passed off as something remarkable. All day long, crowds of patriots staged a space frenzy.

Gross mistakes by our government have already led to a severe crisis in the space industry 9 years ago. Then we curtailed the use of our mediocre Energia-Buran system, completely left without methods of delivering humans into space. All this time, the only way to deliver our cosmonauts was the United States with its ingenious Apollo spacecraft, which will not become obsolete for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Meanwhile, it is worth reminding our corrupt authorities that they promised the launch back in 2017, so the plans were severely violated. For the entire time of our shameful use of Apollos, in total, almost a trillion rubles were stolen from the Russian budget for launches! It would be much better and cheaper to continue using Apollo. As usual, no criminal cases will be filed.

But this is only the tip of the iceberg of all the madness of the Russian government. While a riot of unrest is raging across the country due to poverty, cars and houses are being burnt, shops are being looted, funds are being spent on the space program. Instead of supporting small and medium-sized businesses, money is burned in the craziest way.

Why do we need manned space at such a price? A rhetorical question...

Stepan Vseobosratov

[alexey alexeyev_2]

The guys were lucky. We wouldn’t have let them out anywhere in such spacesuits. Lucky that Musk..

[5-9]

Moaning as if we couldn’t fly to the ISS, but the Americans were finally able to... it wasn’t us who had the shame with a bunch of corpses and a 9-year break with flights on other people’s “trampolines”, with numerous postponements and increased costs of the program. The USA just stood on par with us.... well, yes, the boat is more comfortable and there are 4 people instead of 2.. so what? Oh, rubber boots and screens like in Q8 inside.
The price of 1 launch is 500 lyams, 125 lyams per snout... and we, as they say here, sold them a place for 86 lyams. There will be Orloderation - they will shout that it is so expensive and why there are 5 (for example, seats), half of the launches fly empty, bring back the Unions....
So let everyone come back safe and sound and do this at least 10 times to be sure.

[5-9]

Or the Americans didn’t want to immediately develop a new ship in 2011... first by 2015, then by 2018... they wanted to fly on the Soyuz, but we, laughing devilishly, said - “you will never be able to fly to the ISS without us, either we - or babut, we have to raise the price as we want - hahaha "... they asked and asked to lower the price, and then in their hearts raaazzzz and for a year, offended, they developed their own ship and flew away... and we have without these 4 lards in 9 years, the budget will collapse and pestilence and famine will begin in the country?

[Petrik66]

God be with him, with Rogozin. Assess the situation from the other side. The collapse of the USSR. The parallels with the current situation in the USA are very similar:
1.Oil fell, well, and now fell.
2. We in Afghanistan fulfilled an international duty and proudly left, and the Yankees did their duty there, I don’t know what, probably we will raise the production of heroin, but they also proudly leave.
3. A dude with a beautiful bald head sat in power, carrying a snowstorm on every corner, and now there is a dude with a very good hairdo and also a snowstorm.
4. We have surrendered all of our own, so they with all of our trans ...
5.We sat on an oil needle, and so they sit on typing papers.
6. We have local commissars staged a showdown at the district level, and their donkeys and elephants hit such a showdown that they will soon arrange shooting in Congress.
7. In our country, our Central Asian Chingachgooks began to cut each other under the flag of a revival of national color, so they have now put half the country on the ears of the country exclusively because of oppression and the struggle for oppression. .
8. In our country, after a serious and thoughtful investigation of Mr. Sobchak on the situation in Tbilisi, the army and the police were afraid to fart towards democracy, and so now they, the police and national guards, are once again afraid to pick up the baton and fall into the paws of enraged democratic journalists .
9. AND FINALLY, AT US IN 1988 THE BURAN flew. THEM IN 2020 THE MASK FL flew !!!!!!
We stock up on comrade popcorn.

[Vadim237]

The most important thing the United States does not have is what the USSR had in the late 80s - a total deficit and a planned economy. Therefore, they are not in any danger of collapse. And these spontaneous riots without a central organization will quickly be suppressed by the National Guard and the military.

[post]

Also an event for me

[Patriarch Lavrenty]

this is just a small victory BUT NOT VICTORY IN THE WAR, understand they won the battle but not the war
I am a MILITARY PENSIONER well remember the Soviet times, yes we were hungry but happy, we fought for the idea and FOR MONEY
During the Great Patriotic War we worked twelve to fourteen hours!!!! I trust PUTIN more, stronger than ever!

I HAVE THE HONOR!!!!

[Kind Dec]

Roscosmos understood that sooner or later this additional profit had to end, and they expected that this would happen much earlier. Krikalev compared this income to a coin found on the street. Earlier, the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said that from the moment the Americans begin flying their ships, Russia will stop reducing its space programs and the number of crew members.

[srha]

Which dock did it connect to? Can anyone tell?

[Klingon]

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Quote: Klingon

Even the simplest AMS cannot start.

we can and not the simplest - "Spectrum-RG" hangs behind the orbit of the moon. The rest of the projects are still being prepared.

hurt yourself! hanging! Damn achievement! Can you tell me where Phobos-soil hangs? and Venera-D? where is the Mars rover (at least Lunokhod) with the RUSSIAN flag? (and not Chinese or Indian) and there is no need to talk about the fact that we did this 50 years ago, THAT was another country.... or even if you want, ANOTHER UNIVERSE. We are talking about NOW and here!

[Antonio_Mariarti]

A powerful slap on the head for the management of Roscosmos (I hope)

[Mikhalych]

A powerful slap on the head for the management of Roscosmos (I hope)

The United States received a powerful slap on the head on April 12, 1961. A conventional system for delivering its astronauts to the ISS has now been built.

[Mikhalych]

Quote: Prahlad

Rogozin jumped on his trampolines. Now I’m probably sitting and biting my elbows.

Why would Rogozin bite his elbows? What did the Americans do that was so breakthrough? Was an interstellar ship built or something else? In nine years they built a conventional rocket, which they promised to build in 3 years. Reusable 1st stage? Two shuttles have already fallen victim to reusability. They are stepping on the same rake again.

[Shahno]

Quote: Irokez

Quote: Trotil42

We still fly on Royal missiles 53 years ago.

And what did the Americans fly for 9 years before? Why aren’t you talking about this?
And yes, we also saw the Eagle, and in the future it will fly too, but you are keeping quiet about it by purposefully propagating the backwardness of our country.
The Americans forced this project as well as the Mask rivals, because it was very important for them in many ways, well, they clearly flew and what was so stunning. The return stage is written, which can be used a second time, and maybe it can’t, you don’t know. Likewise, the descent vehicle may seem to be able to. Statistics will show, but for now, just watch and support your industry.

So no one here talks about the backwardness of Russia (except maybe electronics and modern machine tools and avionics....). Well, they are not the first in astronautics and engine building. Times have passed and equals have emerged. While someone was engaged in political squabbles inside, I think so. We won't say who.

[Yellow bubble]

They flew to the Moon, to Mars, robots fly every month, the ISS, but it didn’t work out? Rave.