NASA Director: Rogozin congratulated the United States on the launch of a manned spacecraft to the ISS

During the briefing, NASA Director James Brydenstein spoke about the prospects for cooperation with Roscosmos. Recall that some time ago it became known about the proposal, which comes from the American aerospace agency. The proposal is related to joint participation in the near-moon mission. The Russian Space Agency said that they are exploring options for such cooperation in order to make a final decision.

According to James Bridenstein, US-Russian cooperation in space research will continue. NASA Director noted that such cooperation will be strong.

At the same time, Brydenstein noted that while he did not have a conversation with the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, but he was “familiar with his statements”.

NASA Director noted that Rogozin expressed congratulations to the United States on the fact that SpaceX launched the manned spacecraft Crew Dragon to the ISS. The Falcon 9 heavy launch vehicle launched from the 39th launch pad of the Florida Space Center at approximately 22:22 p.m. Moscow time. Initially, the start was scheduled for May 27, but was postponed. On board the Dragon are astronauts Douglas Hurley and Robert Benken. This is the first manned launch in the American space program in the last 9 years.

Elon Musk on Twitter:

Launch Falcon 9 successful! SpaceX Crew Dragon spaceship, along with two astronauts in the calculated orbit, on the way to the international space station! The step successfully sat on a platform in the ocean!

Falcon 9 launches Crew Dragon on its first flight with @NASA astronauts on board! pic.twitter.com/FUd0SSRKud

- SpaceX (@SpaceX) May 30, 2020

The US President congratulated Ilon Mask on the successful launch.

Meanwhile, the United States said that Trump should be especially grateful to Mask, since the launch of Crew Dragon distracts America from the events in Minneapolis.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

It remains to congratulate the Americans on a successful launch.
I do not even want to recall "Rogozin's statements", but somewhere very deep in my soul, I am even grateful to them for not ditching the programs for the development of space. Bitter, but something like that ...

[Insurgent]

Elon Musk on Twitter:

Launch Falcon 9 successful! SpaceX Crew Dragon spaceship, along with two astronauts in the calculated orbit, on the way to the international space station! The step successfully sat on a platform in the ocean!

He won’t be successful!
Like no, they rested for fifty years, gained strength after landing on the moon, and here is the success - the crew was sent to the ISS ...

"maskophiles", cons, and angry comments - I accept it in any form ...

[Errr]

Quote: Insurgent

Fifty years rested ...

Well, yes, on the shuttles, where they were straining.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Herrr

Well, yes, on the shuttles, where they were straining.

Shuttles in the technological form in which they were, in fact, turned out to be a dead end branch of cosmonautics, which the Americans themselves confirmed by stopping their operation at the end of their resources and not renewing R&D in this direction ...

[strelokmira]

Shuttles in the technological form in which they were, in fact, turned out to be a dead end branch of astronautics

Is it that you justify cutting a snowstorm?)

[Civil]

Rogozin! Rogozin ... Rogozin ???? Well, sorry!

[Nemo]

Do not confuse Buran and Shuttles. Although they are similar in appearance, they differ in different approaches. The shuttles themselves were supposed to be made reusable with minimal maintenance, and then it turned out that the engine compartment had to be sorted anew - almost done with 0.

[Errr]

Not minus because you decently amused me with a half-century American vacation.
As for the shuttles, despite the extreme high cost of this project, we must give them their due - to return objects from the orbit weighing up to 14,5 tons except for them, no transport system is still capable of it. Not so stupid and dead-end. And in order not to ruin the crews, it was not necessary to drive them to exhaustion. Each machine has a strictly limited resource, alas and ah.

[dima314]

but they killed two buses with crews! Why and for what purpose in the age of automation do we need crowds in space except for tourism? And how much did this return from outer space cost and most importantly: who needs it? !!! Does it make sense to remove the cargo and return it back nafig?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: dima314

and bring it back nafig?

And why do we need a space trash?

[dima314]

"Why do we need a space dump?" - as moss trucks, Shuttles were not used from the word at all)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: dima314

"Why do we need a space dump?" - as moss trucks, Shuttles were not used from the word at all)

She will have to decide something. Once the satellites began to arrange accidents.

[dima314]

then he praised the full-time Shuttle, and now he suffered about space debris) They did not build a shuttle for debris, please understand this). They sculpted it for cutting dough and for intimidation of the USSR, and discuss the problem of space debris on the forum at the greens, you are our disease)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: dima314

praised the full-time shuttle,

This is where I praised him? Miracle in feathers.

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

She will have to decide something. Once the satellites began to arrange accidents.

And what is there to decide if we have already learned how to destroy controlled space objects by introducing them into dense layers of the atmosphere for about fifty years?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

And what is there to decide if we have already learned how to destroy controlled space objects by introducing them into dense layers of the atmosphere for about fifty years?

About ten years ago, the current US satellite collided with a broken ours. Or not broken.

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

About ten years ago, the current US satellite collided with a broken ours.

Many satellites do not have orbit correction systems - is that news for you? I talked about controlled spacecraft - you read inattentively.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

I talked about controlled spacecraft - you read inattentively.

And I write about space debris. Although we learned to destroy it 50 years ago, the most debris in space is from us.

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Although we learned to destroy it 50 years ago, the most debris in space is from us.

This is not a fact, at least I have never seen statistics on the debris that is in orbit, especially since the orbits themselves are located at different distances from the Earth. As for our garbage, there should be more of it - the Americans flew nine years on our ships to the station, and naturally we had more launches, apart from what has accumulated since Soviet times.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

This is not a fact, at least I haven’t seen statistics on the debris in orbit anywhere,

The answer was found by specialists from the British company RS Components, a major distributor of electronic, electrical and mechanical components.


They calculated that 29874 space debris was traced in the Earth’s orbit and a little less than half (14403) was of Russian (Soviet) origin. More precisely, then all satellites manufactured by the CIS countries are included in this category, but the vast majority of them are Russian.

Further by a large margin go the United States (8734). China (4688), France (994) and India (517).

These calculations include both currently in orbit and tracked debris (12425), as well as those that have already left orbit and burned out in the atmosphere (17449).

For example, of the thousands of thousands of debris being tracked now in space, the British have only one - there were five before, but four have already left orbit.

https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2020/05/12_a_13080577.shtml

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

The answer was found by specialists from the British company RS Components, a major distributor of electronic, electrical and mechanical components.

Everything is clear - once again the "British scientists" calculated everything and decided that half of the wreckage should belong to Russia. By the way, who owns the wreckage of a foreign satellite launched by a Russian launch vehicle?
By the way, the company itself surprises me - it’s not even a specialized space agency that you can trust.
It’s a pity that our people come across such ducks — however, I won’t be surprised at this by reading some comments on VO left by victims of the USE.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

By the way, who owns the wreckage of a foreign satellite launched by a Russian launch vehicle?

Foreigners owned.

Quote: ccsr

left by the victims of the exam.

In general, I graduated from school more than 30 years ago. And I remember Leonov’s interview that we most of all dumped debris in orbit.

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And I remember Leonov’s interview that we most of all dumped debris in orbit.

Leonov was a master at catching up, which is why he told how we received a television program from the moon and saw the landing of the Americans, although we technically could not do it.

[ApJlekuHo]

And why do we need a space trash?

- Fathers, the neutron did not give a shit.

[alexmach]

Does it make sense to remove the cargo and return it back nafig?

What if there is something useful there?
What if someone on Earth is interested in looking attentively at a cargo discharged 10 years ago? Not out of idle curiosity, but in the context of designing the next such load, for example.

[dima314]

somehow, without studying the devices returned from space, the entire world cosmonautics has lived for 60 years, maybe it will live so much longer)

[alexmach]

somehow, without studying the devices returned from space, the entire world cosmonautics has lived for 60 years, maybe it will live so much longer)

Listen, don’t la la. You probably know about the whole world cosmonautics as much as we say about quantum mechanics, or modern astronomy, or about medicine, that is, nothing at all.
Just a couple of months ago, I watched in the museum the "comet" apparatus returned from space for some reason, filming the Earth's surface. The Americans dragged tons of rock from the moon. At space stations, among other things, they are conducting experiments to create new materials in zero gravity, and have been doing them for 40 years. It is one thing to be able to use it, but it is quite another thing to get out without being able to. Any opportunity for experimental science is always a big plus.

[Strelets1]

Quote: alexmach

Just a couple of months ago, I watched in the museum the "comet" spacecraft returned for some reason from space, filming the Earth's surface. Americans dragged tons of rocks from the moon,

Hehe ... "tons of rock from the moon" - also personally observed?

Hmmm ... people are degrading not by the day, but by the hour ...

[alexmach]

Hehe ... "tons of rock from the moon" - also personally observed?

Another adherent of conspiracy theories?
They were there, and many times, and lunar soil dragged back exactly that tons. This is a fact, even if you don’t like it.

[ccsr]

Quote: alexmach

They were there, and many times, and lunar soil dragged back exactly that tons. This is a fact, even if you don’t like it.

There is no need to lie - they didn’t bring any tons, and the total weight of the lunar soil was about 400 kg, and even then according to the Americans, because no one has yet received from them at least several kilograms of this soil for research.
As for "conspiracy theories", they were put forward by the Americans themselves, and not groundlessly - NASA admitted that many of the images were taken in terrestrial conditions, although they were presented as obtained during expeditions.

[alexmach]

No need to lie - they didn’t bring any tons, and the total weight of the lunar soil was about 400 kg

Ok ... I can really be wrong, I know that they brought him not a pinch or two. Well, it turns out 0,4 tons :)

because no one has yet received from them at least a few kilograms of this soil for research.

Oh oh oh
right in the Wikipedia article on lunar soil.

Lunar soil delivered by the Apollo 11 crew (gift from the USSR from the USA), Cosmonautics Museum

There is also a photograph from the museum of cosmonautics.

[bocman grek]

Cut a piece of gold weighing 14 tons from the Asteroid. And his home, and something else more interesting. :)

[v.biseroff]

There are metal alloys that can only be made in zero gravity due to the significant difference in weight. Breakthrough technologies however continue to be!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Herrr

As for the shuttles, despite the extreme high cost of this project, we must pay tribute to them - to return objects from the orbit weighing up to 14,5 tons except for them, no transport system is still capable of it. Not so stupid and dead-end. And in order not to ruin the crews, it was not necessary to drive them to exhaustion. Each machine has a strictly limited resource.

I agree, "shuttle traders" are needed, and it seems that we are already talking about the resumption of a project of something like "Buran". The only question for your comment is whether all the Shuttle disasters really happened due to wear and tear and exploitation beyond their intended resource?

[alexmach]

The only question for your comment is whether all the Shuttle disasters really happened due to wear and tear and exploitation beyond their intended resource?

Of course not. Richard Fayman, a former member of the Commission investigating the disaster in 86, published his own report in the open press. It can be found in the book What Do You Care What Others Think, the second part of it is devoted to the disaster of the Challenger. In short, it is written in two paragraphs even on Wikipedia.

NASA knew that launching a rocket at low air temperature was fraught with disaster, but decided to take a chance. Technicians and maintenance staff, also aware of a possible disaster, were forced into silence.

[silver_roman]

the whole problem of Russian cosmonautics is ... besides Rogozin ... that we are just starting to create everything. And this process is endless. this applies to the word not only space. we are able to start creating, and to bring it to the end, alas (.
federation, eagle, phoenix, hangar ... what else is there?

[Disant]

And in order not to ruin the crews, it was not necessary to drive them to exhaustion

you joke - both Challenger and Colombia (the orbiters themselves) were not the causes of death - Challenger was destroyed by burning a solid fuel disposable side rocket during take-off, Columbia collapsed on the descent due to the fact that during take-off a piece fell off from the sheathing of a disposable launch rocket wing covering.
There was no wear and tear on the ships themselves, and even more so - the entire shuttle program was designed for more intensive work - five times more.
BUT, as you said,

despite the extreme high cost of this project

- for such money, even America did not pull its plans for one start.

[ak1978]

In the case of the Challenger, the lateral TD rocket accelerator was just a reusable component. The tiles were also partially reusable. Actually, Crew Dragon is a return to its origins, when the capsule being lowered is made as small as possible to reduce the surface exposed to thermal effects as the atmosphere passes. This also reduces the cost of after-flight service.

[Disant]

In the case of the Challenger, the lateral TD rocket accelerator was just a reusable component.

Thank you for correcting.
I do not think that a banged joint is the cause of reusability.
judging by the Internet, after the Challenger (and before the disaster - they knew about this problem), the Americans continued to fly at random - I think there was no "exhaustion" - there was an unavoidable phenomenon at each new assembly.
About tiles - well, the damage was from a foreign object. So then the main shuttle engines completely changed after several flights, as I understand it.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Insurgent

and not renewing R&D in this direction ...

Yeah. And the Boeing X-37 does not exist, it's all cartoons.

[ak1978]

It's about the size. X-37 is an analog of the BOR system.

[Shahno]

Yes, there is no doubt that research is underway. And Darpa is just the top of the "wyberg".

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

actually turned out to be a dead end branch of astronautics

No, they were just slightly ahead of time. Turning out to be just expensive.

Quote: Insurgent

and not renewing R&D in this direction ...

Again, you are mistaken, they have long and fairly successfully tested and operated their shuttle X-37

Here is the fact that we did not renew our program for launching BORs, this is a mistake

[Strelets1]

Quote: svp67

Here is the fact that we did not renew our program for launching BORs, this is a mistake

Well, why - there were attempts - the Clipper RKK Energy project ... The result is as usual after the 90s ...
"No money"...

[svp67]

Quote: Strelets1

Well, why - there were attempts - the Clipper RKK Energy project ...

I still know Clipper and BOR are different machines, although I understand that there were a lot of BORs in Clippers

[IL-2]

I watched an interview with the general designer of this shuttle who said that "someone" in the 90s sold this development of the 80s (the USSR) to the Americans - he could not say for sure whether the Americans sold theirs or stole them.

[figwam]

Quote: Herrr

Well, yes, on the shuttles, where they were straining.

Especially the crew of the shuttle Challenger, who was burnt alive, do not bother in 1986, they continue to work for the benefit of NASA, even Mask has no answer to this.

[Blackmokona]

And at CERN, Gordon Freeman works a fictional character from the Half Life universe, along with his fictional friend.

Not really, there are a lot of similar people in the world.

[figwam]

Quote: BlackMokona

Not really, there are a lot of similar people in the world.

When a person has the same appearance, name and surname, then a similar word is not appropriate here.

[Blackmokona]

So here, a fictional friend is also called Barney.
Humanity is poor in names and surnames. They called me after my great-grandfather, and I look like him. Does my great-grandfather not die in the great Patriotic war? Note the appearance, first name and last name are the same.

[figwam]

Quote: BlackMokona

So here

Where is it here? In a computer game? I’m telling you about living people, if you’re not in the topic then google investigations of German journalists about another American fraud.

[bayard]

You’d better put the link to that article. I read it, everything is reasoned enough and illustrated there. But people simply won’t believe the word.

[figwam]

Quote: bayard

You'd better put the link to that article.

There is a small video

[416D]

Hello. And what was the point of the Americans lying about the death of their astronauts? What were your goals?

[orionvitt]

Quote: 416D

And what was the point of the Americans lying about the death of their astronauts?

The fact is that Americans are lying all the time and for any reason. Whether in politics, economics, science, in general, everywhere and always. What they are constantly caught on. So ... Vague doubts creep in.

[figwam]

Quote: 416D

Hello. And what was the point of the Americans lying about the death of their astronauts? What were your goals?

This proves that there was no crew in the Challenger, and only the iron flew, as on the other shuttles.

[Roman123567]

And the Hubble telescope took itself into orbit, and after repair itself ..))

[silver_roman]

so we smoothly came to the fact that the hub does not exist. there is only photoshop

[Avior]

Have you seen comments on the article?
They are not alike.
For example, look at the shape of Smith’s nose bridge, enlarged photos in the comments, or compare the width of the Japanese’s mouth with what he supposedly looks like his mouth was sewn up.
These are different people.

[Svetlana]

Quote: figvam

shuttle crew of the Challenger alive in 1986,

The shuttle crew of the Columbia burned alive in 2003. The Challenger crew was alive until the moment of impact on the water.

[figwam]

Quote: Svetlana

The Challenger crew was alive until the moment of impact on the water.

)))) Imagine and still alive)))

[slipped]

Quote: Insurgent

after landing on the moon

In general, this is even funny ... A heavy rocket launched a small boat into a low Earth orbit, which is even worse than Apollo, he knew how and did not rock the moon .... Pure degradation.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I do not even want to recall the "statements of Rogozin"

But the current triumphs remembered

Brydenstein replied that he had not talked with Rogozin yet, but saw his congratulations from NASA and SpaceX and the statement that this is an important day not only for Americans, but also for Russians and “they believe in cooperation,” the head of NASA expressed confidence that it will remain strong. ” “Trampoline works”Musk said after that and laughed. Brydenstein laughed next, and Musk added: “This is an internal joke,” and laughed again.

Nice click on the nose ...
I watched the broadcast of the launch. Americans know how to make a show of everything, you will not refuse them this. But the rocket itself is beautiful. A sort of "pencil" quickly rushing into the sky and carrying a manned vehicle on its nose, the cockpit of which resembles the cockpit of an aircraft.
Congratulations to American rocket launchers on success. Well done

[www3]

splashing water on missiles in priests for a lot of money - a bad show?))

[svp67]

Quote: www3

splashing water on missiles in priests for a lot of money - a bad show?))

Well, everyone saw what they wanted there ... Someone launched a new spaceship, and someone priests

[artifact]

Quote: svp67

Nice click on the nose ...

and then joy ..., as much as a whole Ragozin, but on the nose ...

Quote: svp67

I watched the broadcast of the launch. Americans know how to make a show of everything, you will not refuse them this. But the rocket itself is beautiful. A sort of "pencil" quickly rushing into the sky and carrying a manned vehicle on its nose, the cockpit of which resembles the cockpit of an aircraft.

At this time you probably stand at attention with your hand to your heart and let down an enthusiastic tear while mentally humming "America, America" ​​!?

[svp67]

Quote: artifact

already the whole Ragozin,

No, not the whole, only his nose and tongue were affected ... what would I think next time that "the word is not a sparrow ..."

Quote: artifact

At this time you probably stand at attention with your hand to your heart and let down an enthusiastic tear while mentally humming "America, America" ​​!?

You have some kind of perversion. No, I didn’t stand and there were no tears, but as a man who had long been in love with aviation and astronautics, I watched with great interest everything. It is always interesting that something new, and most importantly, a comparison with what I have already seen ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: svp67

Congratulations to American rocket launchers on success.

This is only Russian news coming out in the version:
"In the middle lane and the Volga region, rains, the Soyuz carrier rocket delivered another international crew to the ISS."
That's right, in one line with the weather, routine and everyday. And here, the whole world is on the ears, "an extraordinary achievement of human thought", "we are becoming witnesses of an epoch-making event." Wow, the Americans, after nine years of inactivity, flew into space themselves, what an achievement. A disgrace. Arranged from an ordinary event, a rustle of universal proportions. That's right, everything is American. It's nothing, PR is everything.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: orionvitt

This is only Russian news coming out in the version:
"In the middle lane and the Volga region, rains, the Soyuz carrier rocket delivered another international crew to the ISS."

And it should be like this, "During the period of the pandemic, friends of a friend got rich with more than ochriniardov and pvv threw the pen at the same time, voting at the same time, but so little is that ?!"

[Comrade]

Well, ordinary. This is the second manned boat in the last 30-40 years, after the Chinese.
But for the average man on earth, nothing of the sort, Trump is PR, you do not pay attention.

[smart ass]

Ordinary event in America knocked Roskosmos?

[Strelets1]

Quote: orionvitt

Arranged from an ordinary event, a rustle of universal proportions. That's right, everything is American. It's nothing, PR is everything.

Well, why have you so vulgarized everything ... after all, "Saint I. Mask" himself said that "humanity should be proud" ...
Elon Musk should be proud of him - for the fact that, having received a bunch of dibs and preferences from NASA and DOD, after 18 years of "works of the righteous", he repeated the achievements of the United States since the time of German Wernher von Braun ... - this is serious. But in general I support - at least one person here on the forum really appreciated ... hehe ... "epoch-making event" ...

[pereselenec]

Quote: Strelets1

repeated the achievements of the United States since the days of the German Werner von Braun

Did von Braun have returning reusable rocket stages?

[Quadro]

I support. In the 60s, they reached the moon (allegedly), and then, after 9 years of inactivity, they suddenly launched a ship ... Into orbit! That's development! I'm laughing at maskophiles, where can we, "stupid" Russians, who fly into orbit without interruptions for many years, then the AMERICANS themselves put into orbit!

[silver_roman]

and why are we, smart Russians flying not in unions, the development of which began in 1962, we are still flying to the ISS, and we all BEGIN to create ships federation, eagle, and hangar, phoenix in the same place (that's just starting to create, but we do not finish ANYTHING), but at the same time we wonder why the Americans create their own manned spacecraft in 2020, if in 1969 they were able to send a crew to the moon ???
space science has degraded, and first of all, design thought and man himself.

[Irokez]

Quote: svp67

Nice click on the nose.

Yes, what a click there is a joy that finally we can do it without Russian trampolines. Put yourself in their place and you would feel the same way.
And really, what can I say - "Well done", but we are not "bast shoes" having ensured all this time the delivery to the ISS with a minimum accident rate of the most expensive (people), which also deserves a double word - "Well done".

[v.biseroff]

You can’t say anything here - you wiped Rogozin’s nose and returned him his vicious joke about the trampoline. Young Yankees, congratulations!

[Antagonist]

Quote: v.biseroff

wiped Rogozin’s nose and returned to him his vicious trampoline joke

That's for sure. Normally Rogozin was touched.

Quote: v.biseroff

Well done Yankees, congratulations!

With what? With the fact that they returned to space and begin a new space race in which we will be outsiders?

[Gogia]

It's not even Rogozin himself that matters. The point is that for 25 years our astronautics did not have a unified management and a unified plan. A bunch of different projects and competitions and practically nothing has been completed, except for the Angara. 5 ready-made Energia missiles, which could be carried by the car to LEO, rotted in a hangar at Baikonur. Engines NK-33 - this is still from the backlog of the Queen and our lunar program (we sold them to the Americans after 40 years) All reusable projects and new manned spacecraft - read about them in VIKI were either closed or simply shoved under the cloth in the form of blueprints) the fact that the cosmonautics of Russia is under external control and is being pulled in different directions so that the old does not die and the new does not appear. How much Kudrin counted waste in Roscosmos? and this is only recently. If Korolev, Chelomey, Yangel had lived to see this, they would have strangled themselves with shame for our astronautics. If the "scarecrow of Russian liberals" comrade Beria had been alive, he would have shot all these spectacular managers along with their gorged relatives. And what would he do with Comrade Rogozin, I can't even imagine. People who have squandered such potential for money and personal ambitions with zero abilities (meaning not the ability to steal anything) have no right to even come close to solving such problems.

[Overlock]

Quote: Gogia

. People who for grandmothers and personal ambitions with zero abilities (meaning not the ability to steal something) have squandered such a potential, do not have the right to even come close to solving such problems.

“The only one who can be WITHOUT PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION in the rocket and space industry is the Director General of Roscosmos,” - D. Rogozin.

[IL-2]

I'm not a fan of Rogozin ... but how many accidents and how much money was lost when Roscosmos was run by the "right guys" from the industry? It's just that there was a rocket fall in other years ((((I suppose it's a general mess, which is now difficult to overcome), and chronic underfunding, too

[smart ass]

How great is it that you can cover up your incompetence and sloppiness with external management ?!

[Mikhalych]

Congratulate enemies with success can only be moral. . . It is as if during the Second World War Sergei Pavlovich Korolev would congratulate Werner Von Braun on the successful test of the FAU-2.
Yes, there were people in our time, Not like the current tribe: Heroes - not you!

[RUSS]

Quote: Mikhalych

Congratulate enemies with success can only be moral. . . It is as if during the Second World War Sergei Pavlovich Korolev would congratulate Werner Von Braun on the successful test of the FAU-2.
Yes, there were people in our time, Not like the current tribe: Heroes - not you!

Private entrepreneur Ilon Musk is an enemy? What nonsense and paranoia? Then do not use the enemy’s Internet and other developments and non-Russian-made equipment

[Mikhalych]

Private entrepreneur Ilon Musk is an enemy?

No, you and those like you, best friend and comrade! Musk works on the power of the enemy of Russia and that’s it. Korolev used Brown's achievements, but he did not consider him a friend and did not climb with congratulations with slobbery kisses. The idea of ​​the Internet, stealth and mobile phone is not American. Quadrature modulation was developed in the USSR before the war. The Americans took advantage of this discovery for color television and did not bother at all. Although to whom am I saying this?

[RUSS]

Quote: Mikhalych

Although to whom am I saying this?

[Mikhalych]

Demonstration of intelligence excellence exam.

[Chever]

And over such patients as you just laugh and you can ... And you need ...)))

[Mikhalych]

What else can you do?

[Chever]

Fair. But this question is relevant to everyone, including you

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhalych

Demonstration of intelligence excellence exam.

And, so you are one of the "victims of the exam", so in vain you flaunt it ...

[Kronos]

Musk develops technologies useful to all people. Brown developed rockets during the war purely for military purposes.

[Mikhalych]

That's about all the people I really liked. Write it to the Serbs, Iraqis, Lebanese, Syrians. . .

[Gogia]

What did the Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqis do for human civilization and science? They have changed almost nothing over the past 500 years. The same tribal relationship. Tribes and Tribes. Everything on myself, to which I reached. You are comparing Dick with Finger ...

[Strelets1]

Quote: Gogia

What did the Syrians, Lebanese and Iraqis do for human civilization and science? They have changed almost nothing over the past 500 years. The same tribal relationship. Tribes and Tribes. Everything on myself, to which I reached. You are comparing Dick with Finger ...

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Hehe ... here really - an example of an individual representing both a member and a finger = in one bottle ... really, why are there Syrians, Lebanese, Persians, Iraqis ... not a single useful gadget ... for the last 500 years Jobs, Bryn, Musk and others ... the contribution to world science is priceless ...
PS Just please, I don’t need to tell me the origin of the computer keyboard, monitors, etc., etc. I feel - again you will not guess ...

[IL-2]

Mask does not develop ANYTHING - he is a shareholder (and evil languages ​​claim that he is no longer the main one) Gwyneth leads there, other people - there is a lot of cooperation and industry over 100000 people. Part of the Spase X launches and their Starlink program are implemented in the interests of the Pentagon.
And the fascist bastard SS Sturmbannfuhrer Werner von Braun, the organizer of the creation of the FAU 1 and 2 missiles (while killing 20000 prisoners of war) and with whom thousands of people were killed, also created part of the military and the entire peaceful space in the USA, including the US lunar program.

[orlec]

That's for sure! And traitors like Rogozin and Putin allow our damned enemies to fly in OUR ships, to OUR station, and for their damn dollars, scum
PS Excuse me, it seemed to me alone that a certain "mikhalych" was stupid - or not?

[Dikson]

Everything is correct. The Americans took advantage of it .. And for some reason we didn’t .. They used a lot of things .. and obviously the decisions of the 24th Congress of the CPSU did not give us ordinary automatic washing machines to rivet in factories? And automatic transmissions for cars, and hydraulic boosters .. and air conditioners in cars .. For the Soviet man shouldn't relax .. and the Russian shouldn't relax either .. Therefore, we don't have a new ship .. - but what the hell? -old Unions fly! In them, literally shoulder to shoulder, reliably pressing their knees to their cheeks, as in "Zaporozhets", selflessly loving the Motherland, our people conquer outer space .. And our people are worthless luxury .. As well as "extra" horsepower in engines, which we never learned to do .. The German military machines already do not meet the standards .. the tolerances have changed and the technology .. But the Americans are still bad .. It's because of them we get everything crooked .. Damned imperialists ..

[The leader of the Redskins]

We declared war on the USA? To space? Illan Mask?
Strange, but half a century ago Gagarin and the USSR all congratulated and were not shy! ...

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhalych

Congratulate enemies with success can only be moral. . .

You see, "Maidan" happened in the brain.

Quote: Mikhalych

It is as if during the Second World War Sergei Pavlovich Korolev would congratulate Werner Von Braun

What kind of war? Where is this ship launched? Not to the INTERNATIONAL Space Station? What are you talking about?
How do you like that, "hero" you are ours?

This document is designated - No. 35 - a telegram from the German Ambassador to the USSR Schulenburg at the German Foreign Ministry:
"Telegram
Moscow, 18 June 1940 - 1.40
Received June 18 1940 - 4.00
1167 No. of 17 June
Very urgent!
Molotov invited me to his office tonight and expressed my warmest congratulations to the Soviet government. on the brilliant success of the German armed forces (this is on the occasion of the Germans entering the city of Paris). .....
Schulenburg "

Quote: Mikhalych

Yes, there were people in our time, Not like the current tribe: Heroes - not you!

Do not tell ... Are you the "hero"? "Bogatyr" who profuked the whole country? Save us Lord from such "heroes"

[Mikhalych]

Do not tell ... Are you the "hero"? "Bogatyr" who profuked the whole country? Save us Lord from such "heroes"

Not everything that happened in the USSR was perfect. You are illiterate, the word heroes is in the plural. How did you dream that I wrote about myself. Do not worry, such as you "heroes" "dofukayte" her. And there is no one to stop you.

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhalych

And then there is no one to stop you.

Of course, especially when you live in the Baltics, where can you go. You can only "moan" ...

[Bshkaus]

Congratulate enemies with success can only be moral. . .

only moral as you put it "...." They can see their enemies in everything.
People rejoice and congratulate each other, first of all, with the new level of technology, which the Americans now have several heads higher than the Soyuz technology and in a sense seems fantastic.

[Mikhalych]

You stupid person or where? The USA imposed sanctions against us, trying to finish off the economy, OFFICIALLY included Russia (and the PRC for one) in the list of its enemies, and here you are talking about some kind of joy in the blizzard. It is a pity that profanity cannot be used. However, take a look at your photo

[Bshkaus]

It's a pity you cannot use profanity

I’m sorry that you are not trained in other words. Nevertheless I will explain, try to concentrate and understand:
The country that launched the first man into space no longer exists, but people continue to fly into space using these technologies.
Once the United States will not exist, but people will continue to use the technology developed by them.
Who invented the wheel there? Something I did not hear that someone would refuse this invention only because his prp-great-ancestors were at enmity with the tribe of the inventor.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhalych

Congratulate enemies with success can only be moral. . .

do not want to continue?

Quote: Mikhalych

It is as if during the Second World War Sergei Pavlovich Korolev would congratulate Werner Von Braun on the successful test of the FAU-2.

[v.biseroff]

Please take into account that space exploration is not a war, as you may put it, but a technology competition, where the success of some is an incentive for others to be no worse, or even better, when studying an opponent. We know our Achilles heel, we are unlikely to start itching until it becomes a matter of archival and archival importance for the nation and then we hit the horn and do it quickly, efficiently, inexpensively (choose 2 points out of three :)) Isn’t that so?

[smart ass]

You are likely to see a doctor

[Grading]

Here again, a fraudster and a nonspecialist and almost bankrupt, Ilon Mask shot a film in the Hollywood hangars about a nonexistent and irrevocable rocket !!!!!!! good

[indy424]

yeah. next season we are waiting for a porn version

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Grading

Elon Musk made a film about the non-existent and irrevocable rocket in the hangars of Hollywood !!!!!!!

That link no longer works, I found another, but it is for a full 4 hours.

Ha .... It turned out to be a broadcast of the canceled launch ....

[Quadro]

Well, that’s all, the Americans did what they had been doing before for decades, but did it after a break of 9 years, now it’s possible to scream from each iron about what kind of breakthrough Musk made and how Russia suddenly falls behind (although why should she be left behind, not she stopped flights for 9 years).

[Sklendarka]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It remains to congratulate the Americans on a successful launch.
I do not even want to recall "Rogozin's statements", but somewhere very deep in my soul, I am even grateful to them for not ditching the programs for the development of space. Bitter, but something like that ...

,, ... the trampoline works, for the dedicated ... '' / Elon Musk /

[Grading]

Earthlings - Grass by the House - Elon Musk sings / The Earthlings - The Grass of Home - Elon Musk sings

[pytar]

It remains to congratulate the Americans on a successful launch.

Congratulations to the Americans for a successful launch and wish them a successful mission!

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I do not even want to recall the "statements of Rogozin"

Let’s remember and see how incompetence and over-conceit can lead to ...

[pereselenec]

[quote = pytar] [quote]
[quote] I don't even want to remember the "statements of Rogozin" [/ quote]
Let’s remember and see how incompetence and over-conceit can lead to ...
[/ Quote]

[pytar]

Let's see when the answer is Boeing with his StarLiner!

Unfortunately, there is no reason to talk about Rosskosmos.

[Grading]

A Brief History of Space x

[Irokez]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I do not even want to recall "Rogozin's statements", but somewhere very deep in my soul, I am even grateful to them for not ditching the programs for the development of space.

Why not remember something? Everything was said on time and at the right time when our partners really could not launch their own exceptional ones into space. After all, Rogozin did not say that they would depend on us forever, no, he didn’t, and everyone knew perfectly well that they would catch up. For nine years, they were catching up, and finally another power has learned to send people into space on their own.
Bravo is another member in an elite club.

[New Year day]

Quote: Irokez

After all, Rogozin did not say that they would depend on us forever, no, he didn’t, and everyone knew perfectly well that they would catch up. That's nine years old and caught up

Rogozin said this for the last time a little over a year ago with a mockery, accusing Musk of incompetence. Now Musk showed "hu out of hu"

[Quadro]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Irokez

After all, Rogozin did not say that they would depend on us forever, no, he didn’t, and everyone knew perfectly well that they would catch up. That's nine years old and caught up

Rogozin said this for the last time a little over a year ago with a mockery, accusing Musk of incompetence. Now Musk showed "hu out of hu"

Musk, like Rogozin, are talking heads. They are of course great that they finally started flying like they did many years before the break of 9 years, but the US is simply inflating the PR bubble around Musk, portraying him as an "effective private owner", while forgetting to mention the support of NASA, Boeing and other huge and serious companies. What they showed is precisely the efforts of American corporations and NASA, and not specifically Elon.

[New Year day]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I do not even want to recall the "statements of Rogozin"

But why? Such "masterpieces" must be remembered ..

for they point to the foolishness and ignorance of the question by those who MUST know this

[pereselenec]

Quote: Silvestr

But why? Such "masterpieces" must be remembered ..

for they point to the foolishness and ignorance of the question by those who MUST know this

Leave behind Rogozin, a man wanted to sit in the House of Trade Unions, and not to engage in space.

[smart ass]

It would be better for Rogozin to follow the bazaar and think to whom he would push RD 180

[cyborg]

It would be better for Rogozin to follow the bazaar and think to whom he would push RD 180

that’s how they launched the Mask rocket into space ..

[Antagonist]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Bitterly, but somehow ...

Bitter, insulting, annoying ... What can we do if our government pays more attention to oil and gas than to the space program ...

[Greenwood]

A new stage in the development of manned space exploration. Musk hammer of course. I well remember how he was scummed and said that he would not succeed.

[AUL]

Quote: Greenwood

I well remember how he was scummed and said that he would not succeed.

Well, so this is our long tradition! When you are sitting in deep opera yourself, you need to defame your opponent. And the soul is calmer, and, it seems, you yourself look decent.

[pytar]

A new stage in the development of manned space exploration. Musk hammer of course.

Musk made Cosmos closer. He set another step for Mankind!

I well remember how he was scummed and said that he would not succeed.

And they continue! Envy, immense thing!

[Overlock]

Quote: Greenwood

Musk hammer of course.

two people - Mask and Rogozin. One from the trampoline came to the latest missiles, and the other from Soviet missiles moves to the trampoline. Fate

[Quadro]

Quote: Greenwood

A new stage in the development of manned space exploration. Musk hammer of course. I well remember how he was scummed and said that he would not succeed.

Well, it's a super-duper new stage. 50 years ago they landed on the moon, and then into orbit, where they flew to their home before, but of course "breakthrough". Nothing better than hurray patriots, only hurray maskophiles.

[ccsr]

Quote: Quadro

50 years ago they landed on the moon, and here they went into orbit, where they had previously flown to their home, but of course a "breakthrough".

You are one of the few who knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff, and the majority here can only react to the words "Rogozin, Musk, Roscosmos, NASA" and draw their own home-grown conclusions. Experts already understand that this is just a PR, but in technical terms, Musk repeated what we have been doing for fifty years, but in more attractive packaging and taking into account the current level of technology. It reminds me of the hysteria of some of our "experts" about the first shuttle flights, and only later NASA admitted that the program was a failure from the beginning, because miscalculated the cost of restoring the shuttles and the annual load. We will find out what will happen next with the Musk ships when they make at least 20-30 successful launches, and how far he will advance in creating a rocket for a flight to the Moon and Mars.

[Theodore]

Rogozin, under Stalin, should have shot himself! But! People like him will never do this ...

[210ox]

It’s not a matter of Rogozin, but of the System that has flourished in our magnificent color. A few decades ago, a person like him would surely be in his place a successful journalist, would be at the head of some sort of publishing house ..

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: 210ox

a successful journalist, would be at the head of some sort of publishing house

Like A.Yu. Krivitsky

[Borisych1973]

like him would surely be in place

It seems that P is now right in its place, because the tasks that were set before the head of Roscosmos are not the development of astronautics, but the delaying of time and the preservation, as far as possible, of a beautiful mine in a bad game. The cosmonautics of the current Russian government is not needed - only troubles and extra expenses. But you can’t quit - this is one of the braces, people will not understand. So they put a journalist at the helm, who only knows how to talk about castles in a confident tone. Time passes, and there you look, or the donkey dies, or padish (God forbid) ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Theodore

Rogozin, under Stalin, should have shot himself! But! People like him will never do this ...

Everything in the Kremlin suits the general, therefore Rogozin’s bribes are smooth.

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Theodore

Rogozin, under Stalin, should have shot himself! But! People like him will never do this ...

Rogozin said about the trampoline in 2014, for 6 years the Americans launched astronauts from the Russian trampoline. Judging by the outfits of the astronauts, NASA, as it were, did not have to reserve seats in Roscosmos for 2021.

[Interlocutor]

Speak correctly. And there is.

[cniza]

Judging by the outfits of the astronauts, NASA, as it were, did not have to reserve seats in Roscosmos for 2021.

Why such a conclusion, share ...

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: cniza

Why such a conclusion, share ...

They are kind of light for space, in my opinion.

[pytar]

They are kind of light for space, in my opinion.

This is not a spacesuit for open space! It is a safety suit providing enhanced protection and convenience during transitions from launch to orbit and vice versa. In emergency situations, such as depressurization during take-off or landing, these costumes will save the life of astronauts. Having entered orbit, they have already taken them off.

Here is the suit, it is much heavier and it is not as comfortable as in transition suits.

[AU Ivanov.]

Afanasyev and Mishin after the failure of the Soviet lunar program did not shoot themselves, for some reason. True, it was in the reign of Brezhnev.

[paul3390]

Because the Soviet lunar program did not fail, but was canceled by the leadership.

[AU Ivanov.]

Canceled after the fiasco with the H1 rocket. Failed were all 4 launch attempts. If you want, you don’t want, but cancel.

[paul3390]

So what? Four attempts is by no means an indicator for new technology. Moreover, each time the reasons were different. So they cleaned them. Avon at the Mace - how many failed starts? But does it fly? In general, by the time of cancellation, the N-1 was almost already practically worked out and ready. Americans are still flying on its engines .. But why the program was canceled is an open question.

[Mikhalych]

And the Americans, after the failed attempts with Apollo, immediately planted people there and immediately to the moon.
http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/

[Motorist]

http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/

Mikhalych, you are a plus. I myself thought to refer to Veluurov if I did not see in the comments.
For forum users: read it, you won't regret it - very informative! I will add the title - "Pepelats fly to the moon".

[ccsr]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Canceled after the fiasco with the H1 rocket.

By the way, not being a specialist in space technology, I’ll still notice that Musk chose about the same layout for his SpaceX ship as the N-1, and which he plans to launch to Mars. True, the second stage already has four unsuccessful trials, which is why it is interesting to know when Musk plans to test the entire system in order to start the moon in 2022.

Starship is the second stage of SpaceX's reusable BFR space transport system. The second stage will receive six Raptor engines, first - 31. Raptor, which runs on methane and oxygen, is the largest thrust-weight ratio (the ratio of thrust developed by a power unit to its weight) among all rocket engines ever created.

[Interlocutor]

All is correct. Because to do there not figs. Well, there are no immediate tasks there. There is even nothing really to take. Everything will be expensive and don’t sew one place to another. But for show-offs probably useful ....

[New Year day]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Afanasyev and Mishin after the failure of the Soviet lunar program did not shoot themselves, for some reason.

so Yangel in 1960 after an explosion in Baikonur with the death of about 100 people with Nedelin did not shoot himself! True, Brezhnev was not at the helm then

[Vadim237]

Since 2018, in Roskosmos Rogozin, in the chair of the head - it’s clear that apart from beautiful promises on the mountain of any space projects, he won’t do anything in two years.

[210ox]

In the chair of the head of the "atomic project in the USSR" LP Beria spent a little longer, three years. However, it brought results. By the way, Molotov was in that place before him. Failed, they removed. And they didn't even shoot (that's the problem, the characters like Olgovich have a break in the template).

[Vadim237]

Yes, it’s only between Beria and Rogozin and their industries - the huge abyss of the USSR for the atomic program squeezed everything that was from the whole country for this, since it was a vital need, and now the space industry is not so vital for Russia and they allocate money for it accordingly, there’s no incentive to create something new in this industry; therefore, everything has been bent there for the last 30 years; Rogozin alone will do little there alone when everyone else in this industry does all the fun.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

the last 30 years alone Rogozin will do little there alone

want to say that the reformer was not funded? Who built Vostochny and how much was stolen?
Identified theft by the Prosecutor General at the enterprises of "Roskosmos" and "Rostec" volume 1,6 billion are insignificant and will not affect the career of the head of the space corporation Dmitry Rogozin. This was stated by "URA.RU" political analyst Andrei Kolyadin, commenting on the report of the Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika, who entered the Federation Council.
This is how much they found, but how much they did not find or did not want. Something always hinders a bad dancer

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

one Rogozin alone

According to the results of the verification carried out at the enterprises transferred to the Roskosmos Group of Companies in 2018, the claims of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation concerned the expenditure of 785 billion rubles out of 1,74 trillion.
Is it also alone or in a group?
The monthly salary of the head of Roscosmos in 2018 amounted to about 2 million rubles, while the salary of the head of NASA in terms of rubles was 1 million rubles.
All is not enough Rogozin?

[Vadim237]

785 billion out of 1,740 trillion - this is how many years the amount has not been allocated to Roscosmos per year since 2010 or 2006 - in 2018 Rogozin just sat in the chair of the head, so your complaints about the construction of the East and other waste were sent to the wrong person.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

in 2018, Rogozin only sat in the chair of the head, so your complaints about the construction of the East and other waste were directed to the wrong person.

Rogozin was the curator of the construction of the East.

[pytar]

Rogozin, under Stalin, should have shot himself! But! People like him will never do this ...

shoot himself, hang himself, punish - the USSR
Tough competition - USA
make ambitious plans, cut the budget and do nothing - RF
The whole point of different systems.

[Break through]

We are happy for the Americans! They tried their best. We also need to return the astronauts to earth. And make at least 10 manned launches. Then it will be safe to say that the Americans returned to the club of manned powers. Then the Chinese will catch up, Europeans, Japanese and someone else who can launch people.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Break through

We also need to return the astronauts to earth. And make at least 10 manned launches. Then you can safely speak

Somewhere I already heard it:

[Thunderbringer]

And what, it is not necessary to return? Well done anyway?

[Interlocutor]

You have not heard that. You read it on the Internet, exactly on the same plate. Her jokers threw her somewhere.

[New Year day]

Quote: Greenwood

Somewhere I already heard it:

who is the author of this "wisdom"?

[Quadro]

Quote: Greenwood

Quote: Break through

We also need to return the astronauts to earth. And make at least 10 manned launches. Then you can safely speak

Somewhere I already heard it:

And the believers in the Unified State Examnik all believe that he is colonizing Mars. Despite the fact that there are no conditions for living or for terraforming there. Even water is unfit for drinking.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Break through

Then the Chinese will catch up

Isn’t it yet? Or should they "go to the second round"?

There are 11 Chinese teikunauts at the moment, including a woman ...

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

The Americans have already let people in more than everyone else put together. I think they will definitely ask you.

[Vadim237]

The United States has three more manned trampolines to varying degrees in testing and readiness.

[vadimtt]

This is how quietly the "beautiful far away" died in one country and moved to another completely. What can you say to the people who stole this "far away" from me? Censorship will not pass.

PS: I watched the entire broadcast yesterday. I was glad for the Americans that continue to move forward.

[Break through]

Now cry

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: vadimtt

PS: I watched the entire broadcast yesterday. I was glad for the Americans that continue to move forward.

Forward to the past?

[Disant]

explain what died and what moved

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Disant

explain what died and what moved

The shuttles died and Shepard moved from 1961 to 2020.

[Quadro]

Quote: vadimtt

This is how quietly the "beautiful far away" died in one country and moved to another completely. What can you say to the people who stole this "far away" from me? Censorship will not pass.

PS: I watched the entire broadcast yesterday. I was glad for the Americans that continue to move forward.

"Move forward". I got such a feeling at a gathering of kindergarteners who don't even know school history. So far, no movement forward is even visible - they simply returned to where they left 9 years ago. And the Russian Federation did not even go anywhere, but you already repent and sprinkle ashes on your head, you have stolen your "far away". I look at the comments of the apogee of hypocrisy.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Next time they will launch two dogs or a companion. And this day will be a national holiday.

[Kronos]

When there is nothing to answer to the triumph and shame of Russia, but as an ex-patriotic bourgeois ordinary,

[Interlocutor]

What a shame for Russia. Wake up. Shake your head and shake the husks out of it. And close Facebook, you look and the "war" will end.

[Kronos]

Shame in Rogozin

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Kronos

Shame in Rogozin

What is the shame of Rogozin? Probably overweight, fat he.

[Quadro]

Quote: Interlocutor

What a shame for Russia. Wake up. Shake your head and shake the husks out of it. And close Facebook, you look and the "war" will end.

Shame on Russia for not stopping its flights for 9 years. How you lured the poor and the wretched. Hypocrites. Now your whole identity is open. They will do it in the Russian Federation - they will "plunder" "some kind of crap." They will do it in the USA - "Musk made a breakthrough", "it's a shame for Russia." What is the shame I ask again? Or are you suggesting that we shoot down their missiles?

[Vadim237]

The next time they will launch the super-heavy SLS rocket, the manned lunar ship Orion, and then fly to the moon in 2024 - 26, this will become a new national holiday - and you will continue to write all kinds of garbage.

[Grits]

Quote: Vadim237

The next time they will launch the super-heavy SLS rocket, the manned lunar ship Orion, and then fly to the moon in 2024 - 26, this will become a new national holiday - and you will continue to write all kinds of garbage.

I think the next step will be to gradually squeeze Russia out of the ISS. They now absolutely do not need us. They will wring out the ISS. Although, having received all the competencies in the orbital stations, they themselves may well build one for themselves. Unlike us, we simply won’t pull financially. As a result, we will remain with our trampoline of development forty years ago. Only there will be nowhere to fly on them.
We have no new manned ships, no new carriers (all the more heavy), no orbital station. And you can forget about the Moon or Mars.
And so the sunset of glory of the once cosmic power comes. And the fact that the rich Americans will nevertheless bypass us an order of magnitude - there was no doubt. Because unlike the Mask obsessed with ideas, we have Rogozin, obsessed with cutting money.

[Quadro]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Vadim237

The next time they will launch the super-heavy SLS rocket, the manned lunar ship Orion, and then fly to the moon in 2024 - 26, this will become a new national holiday - and you will continue to write all kinds of garbage.

I think the next step will be to gradually squeeze Russia out of the ISS. They now absolutely do not need us. They will wring out the ISS. Although, having received all the competencies in the orbital stations, they themselves may well build one for themselves. Unlike us, we simply won’t pull financially. As a result, we will remain with our trampoline of development forty years ago. Only there will be nowhere to fly on them.
We have no new manned ships, no new carriers (all the more heavy), no orbital station. And you can forget about the Moon or Mars.
And so the sunset of glory of the once cosmic power comes. And the fact that the rich Americans will nevertheless bypass us an order of magnitude - there was no doubt. Because unlike the Mask obsessed with ideas, we have Rogozin, obsessed with cutting money.

Well, I read some kind of science fiction. Do you believe in these fairy tales? Even the Americans themselves want to get rid of the ISS, it is too expensive and everything that could be experienced there has already been tested. It is easier for them to suck their share to someone, and not to squeeze the Russian Federation out of there. And Musk laughed about the obsessed with ideas. Already funny from hurray-Americanophiles, with what naive kindergarteners. Musk is a product of American PR, a symbol of "private entrepreneurship in the United States", "an effective manager and private trader." And behind him are giant corporations like Boeing and the state-owned NASA.

[evgenii67]

Rogozin, wiping his tears, wrote a congratulation while sitting on a trampoline. Well done Musk! Yes, and we would have our own Ilona Korolev, but somehow they don’t particularly take root, very many are looking for happiness with a foreign country and are being realized there to the fullest.

[Greenwood]

They are, they just move to work in the same SpaceX Mask or to Bezos or to the Boeing. There are many variations.

[Vadim237]

Korolev did nothing to him from scratch, the whole USSR helped him with big money, materials, equipment, specialists and everything else.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vadim237

the whole USSR was helped by big money with materials, equipment, specialists and everything else

Did Musk do everything himself? Wake up.

[Vadim237]

Really - finish thumping. He organized everything himself, starting from the office and ending with launches; everything that is created and built in his office does not do without his last word. And it is he who creates the strategy and technical priorities of the company’s movement in which 7000 people work.

[Quadro]

Quote: Vadim237

Really - finish thumping. He organized everything himself, starting from the office and ending with launches; everything that is created and built in his office does not do without his last word. And it is he who creates the strategy and technical priorities of the company’s movement in which 7000 people work.

Stop pushing American PR for kids. Such nonsense is sickening to read. Specialists in this area do not grow on trees and simply cannot be bought. Musk is a product of American PR, a symbol of the fact that "America still can!", An image for the state, supposedly "a country of unlimited possibilities, you can even send people into space." But at the same time, everyone is evasively forgetting the huge support from NASA, Boeing and other large companies with critical technologies.

[New Year day]

Quote: dima314

do not confuse the swindler Mask with the Royal!

Did you see the result? Or is it cartoons?

[Gennady Fomkin]

check and mat, wool. next time they will fly in full and throw Russian things from the station)

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

check and mat, wool. next time they will fly in full and throw Russian things from the station)

You are not even in space, but soon there will be no state on the map ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

check and mat, wool. next time they will fly in full and throw Russian things from the station)

Clear business, at you, now and Musk will be a native of Ukraine. Download it quietly, or something else will fall off, like the Crimea.
The real check and checkmate, for you, was in '14. And here is rivalry. Fine.

[Pavel73]

Your only astronaut once trained on the Buran, flew on the American Shuttle, and passed away not so long ago. Not you to mock over us.

[rotkiv04]

Well, you, Raguli, do not shine at all in space, and your 404 too

[Kronos]

Bake buddy?

[Chever]

Who "you" are thrown out and why, m?

[Quadro]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

check and mat, wool. next time they will fly in full and throw Russian things from the station)

And your hohland then brought at least one ship into orbits? You are a great omeriga cheer patriot than its citizens.

[viktor_ui]

The event is extremely significant ... a manned private space program with all its effectiveness under the patronage of NASA ... and Houston has no problems. We are waiting for the docking and a successful return from orbit. The difference between chatter and deeds is OBVIOUS.

[Genry]

Quote: viktor_ui

We are waiting for the docking and a successful return from orbit. The difference between chatter and deeds is OBVIOUS.

And the Unions have been flying and docking and landing for several decades. So it is OBVIOUSLY so many Americans suffered from chatter. What is their breakthrough - in that they equaled Russia with the technical level of space flights?

[RUSS]

Quote: Genry

What is their breakthrough - in that they equaled Russia with the technical level of space flights?

You just compare the Dragon and the Union, - reusability, price, capacity, etc.

[dima314]

I don’t know about the price, depending on how you count, the Unions got a gift with all the infrastructure from the USSR, and the mask was presented to NASA. Reusability but not passenger, but only by truck and let them prove to themselves that it is good and profitable. Capacity Why do you need it? 3 people are taken to the ISS and there is nothing to do there, and because of the boredom of garbage, they are toiling. Automation does all the necessary and useful, and this is like a prestigious group of aerobatic pilots for the show. Although if 7 people, but they say that Mask has messed up and more than 4 people will not fit at this stage, they will be killed at a time, then there will be more noise than if 3.

[Interlocutor]

You stick to the price of the Dragon flight, for a start the price of creation. Look at the price tag. Cry Well, as for the price of the flight of the Union. You look and the price of the flight will change. After all, Russia does not have a monopoly on the launch of astronauts. Market. What do you want ... That's great, by the way.

[Civil]

Quote: Interlocutor

+2

Well, then the cost of creation must be stuck to the Union, as well as how much the Queen was beaten after arrest.

[Interlocutor]

as well as how much the Queen was beaten after his arrest.

How much does it cost?

[MMX]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Genry

What is their breakthrough - in that they equaled Russia with the technical level of space flights?

You just compare the Dragon and the Union, - reusability, price, capacity, etc.

Well, the Americans have a newer ship. It should be better. It would be strange if he created an analogue of the ship leading his family tree from the 60s. Now 2020 is kind of like. They flew 6 years on our ships and nothing, no shame. Why now, suddenly, when they caught up with us, such a stir has risen?

[Vadim237]

A breakthrough in comparison with us in everything is the first reusable step; returnable fairing flaps; reusable cargo and manned capsule ships with an integrated rescue system; and most importantly, minimal costs both in terms of money and time to create and test all of the above, reducing the cost of putting the cargo into orbit.

[Disant]

A breakthrough in comparison with us in everything

Vadim, there is a breakthrough, and not for our money. You wrote correctly about the money, but no one saw or saw the checks - how much they put in our ears in the media, so-called reusability will cost.
.. The first reusable stage - do you know the number of re-launches and the difference in cost and maintenance and fishing of the reusable stage and the similar (in terms of the usefulness of the output load) ordinary one-time?

[Vadim237]

Considering that he has a growing client base every year - with the cost everything is in order and the organization of the production of rockets for the engines of satellite Internet ships and everything else is compact enough for only 7000 people, plus adjacent offices for components there is no such bloated staff as Boeing and Lockheed with huge bonuses to leadership and slowness in solving those problems, that’s why Mask is getting cheaper and faster still add 70% of the cost of the first stage of the entire rocket, one of which has flown five times and eaten the payload and you will get even greater economic efficiency here any cost of service will be repeatedly covered by profit.

[Disant]

Vadim, well, you see - no one will give you any real numbers - this is not even a commercial secret - but a state one

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Vadim237

and most importantly, the minimum cost, both in terms of money and time, for the creation and testing of all of the above, a reduction in the price of putting the cargo into orbit.

And how much did this manned spacecraft fly into space? At the expense of minimum costs and minimum terms, it’s not even funny, since 2004, the Americans created a manned ship.

[Vadim237]

Yes, since 2004, the Americans created new manned ships, but until 2011 they flew on the Shuttles, so work was slow, and at the moment they have four manned ships with Dragon 2. On Falcon, 9 NASA cargo drags and manned dragons paid Mask as much as our government allocated from the budget for the Angara.

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Vadim237

work went slowly

Abama generally scored a bolt on this. Russia also had brilliant rulers

[pytar]

And the Unions have been flying and docking and landing for several decades. So it is OBVIOUSLY so many Americans suffered from chatter. What is their breakthrough - in that they equaled Russia with the technical level of space flights?

The progress of the Americans is impressive! The technological level is new, incomparably higher than that of Rosskosmos, a breakthrough in fundamental approaches! And this is in a very short period! There’s much more to come!
For comparison ... the USSR / RF ... The same rocket, the same spaceships with which the Queen was created, although modernized.

[Genry]

Quote: pytar

The technological level is new, incomparably higher than that of Rosskosmos, a breakthrough in fundamental approaches!

What is this new level expressed in? Just do not need about the many-fold manned flights - here you always need guaranteed reliability, which is unrealistic for used ones (worn shuttles have already ditched their crews).

[pytar]

What is this new level expressed in? Just do not need about the many-fold manned flights - here you always need guaranteed reliability, which is unrealistic for used ones (worn shuttles have already ditched their crews).

A new level is expressed in many ways, but whether you like it or not, the main thing is a sharp reduction in the cost of startup costs! It was achieved just thanks to many-fold! Speaking of shuttles and falcons, one must realize that these are completely different concepts! Technology reusable shuttles did not lead to cheaper, but a set of! With spicex, the result of the cost reduction is obvious! The effectiveness of the spicex system is obvious! He has felled orders, he has stirred up competitors!
As for guaranteed reliability, you're right of course. But here, falcons cope with 5+! The future will show, it is already in sight! The space industry is moving to a new step, Elon Musk has set milestones!

[Genry]

Quote: pytar

the main thing is a sharp reduction in the cost of launches! It was achieved just thanks to many-fold!

Where did you see the price drop? For his military, Musk made launches twice as expensive as commercial ones, which is due to political PR and does not reflect the actual cost of the launch. Why, with loud statements about cheapness, did his competitor Boeing not go into the shadows? This shows that they have close costs.

Well done: you have good Russian, but many mistakes in cases.

[pytar]

Where did you see the price drop?

I read somewhere that in the cost of launching missiles, more than half goes to the first stage. Everything else - 2 items, fuel, etc., is less than 40%, if not mistaken. Obviously, if the most expensive element can be used several times, then the cost of launches is reduced. Spicex is still trying to reduce costs, for example, taking away for repeat Repeater, and even Crew Dregon himself, reusable! Probably the development of such advanced technologies is more expensive, but the final result is a decrease in the total cost. Just like no one makes airplanes, ships, cars, disposable ones, the same principles are valid. The problem was in the level of technology and in the search for an effective approach, but as we see Mask succeeded. A simple market law applies - cheaper, more orders, more profit. Soon everyone will follow the same path, otherwise they will go bankrupt.

Why, with loud statements about cheapness, did his competitor Boeing not go into the shadows? This shows that they have close costs.

The states have a special approach to ensuring continuous competition! The catch is to prevent someone from becoming a monopolist. And while the Boeing is clearly losing, NASA will not let it drown. Someone should push Ilona, ​​breathing in his back. You can see this approach by the example of Intel and AMD - the most severe competitors in the world of processors. They were legally obliged to help each other if one of them breaks ahead too forcefully.

Well done: you have good Russian, but many mistakes in cases.

Thank you, in principle, Russian and Bulgarian are close, Slavic languages. But in Bulgarian / conditionally / there are no cases, therefore I confuse.

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: pytar

The future will show, it is already in sight!

China will win.

[pytar]

China will win.

All things are possible.

[iouris]

Quote: pytar

The Future Will show

To assess the real reliability and efficiency, you need to wait for the results of approximately 33 launches. In the meantime, the future has not come yet.

[pytar]

To assess the real reliability and efficiency, you need to wait for the results of approximately 33 launches.

I don’t think we should wait for exactly 33 launches. In general, it’s better not to wait, but to work like Elon Musk.

In the meantime, the future has not come yet.

For some, yes ... they live in the past.

[iouris]

Work, of course, is necessary. Work, and the Soviet manned flight program has proven its reliability. Reliability is the most important criterion in space exploration. How and how did the previous US state super-duper program end? Private business is not able to create systems that can be used for flights to the ISS. Do you believe in Mask, I do not. For you, Mask is an icon, but I believe that this is a DARPA mask. If the project proves to be a failure, the US state will not be held responsible for this.

[pytar]

... and the Soviet manned flight program has proven its reliability. Reliability is the most important criterion in space exploration.

Undoubtedly! To the campaign, this is the only plus, which still remained in the assets of the Unions. If you take into account the reliability of the entire program, there are more questions ... By the way, Falcons are also very reliable! You can ride a penny on Lada for another 100 years, but the world does not stand in one place! Everything that was once new becomes old.

How and how did the previous US state super-duper program end?

As with the Soviet Buran and the Lunar Program! Shuttles and Apollo at least made a bunch of flights.

Private business is not able to create systems that can be used for flights to the ISS.

But it turns out to be capable! One is already active / spicex /, the second / Boeing / on the way! On the topic of assimilation of Cosmos, many more private companies are working.

Do you believe in Mask, I do not.

It’s not a question of faith, I see the results! The whole world sees! But I certainly don’t believe Rogozin!

For you, Mask is an icon, but I believe that this is a DARPA mask. If the project proves to be a failure, the US state will not be held responsible for this.

In such a strategic, high-tech industry, the state has weighted interests! The question is how effectively it implements them. In the given case, the circuit is quite working!
Again, back to Rogozin and his "team". In my opinion, for a long time it was necessary to look for responsibility from him and from those who were before him!

[Motorist]

The progress of the Americans is impressive!

Boyan, hello! You forgot to attach photos of Bulgarian rockets.

[pytar]

Boyan, hello! You forgot to attach photos of Bulgarian rockets.

There are no Bulgarian missiles, but there is a Bulgarian satellite - BulgariaSat-1. Launched in geostationary orbit with the Falcon9 rocket on 23.06.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.

As for rockets, Bulgaria is a member of the ESA and participates both in agency programs and with its own programs. Until 2018, 5 national projects were implemented, and another 9 were at different stages of preparation.

[Motorist]

It is a pity that there are no Bulgarian missiles - I would also like to compare ... Maybe, at least Musk is a Bulgarian from his grandmother? Just do not understand the reason for pride [if you do not understand from the first comment].

[pytar]

Just do not understand the reason for pride [if you do not understand from the first comment].

There are many things you did not understand and probably will not understand, although there is "captain evidence" here ... I will explain on the fingers. I am always happy when someone else has success in space! Unions watched on TV, back in the distant 70s. I did not miss a single launch! There was something to rejoice at! Half a century has passed, Alliances are the same, but much new, interesting is happening in the world! I will definitely watch and be happy when Rosscosmos also has this!

Too bad there are no Bulgarian rockets

Not only Bulgarian, but most of the countries of the world. Therefore, they cooperate, so it’s more efficient to work. Bulgarian companies, BAN fulfill the order as part of the ESA cooperation.

Maybe, at least, Musk is a Bulgarian from his grandmother?

I was not interested in what kind of grandmother, aunt or grandfather he had. It does not matter. Musk man is undeniably talented, breakthrough, was able to change one of the most high-tech industries! Thanks to him, Cosmos has become more accessible for those who previously had no opportunity. It's cool, it's great!

[Motorist]

You don’t understand much and probably don’t understand

I do not dare to distract anymore.

[Quadro]

You don’t understand much and probably don’t understand

As you do not understand that the real value, no one will tell you, the naive Bulgarian youth.

[pytar]

Quote: Quadro

As you do not understand that the real value, no one will tell you, the naive Bulgarian youth.

Cuadro, you have instructed your comments of the same type, where they are different by the way. They wrote but did not read ... When I was a young man, you most likely did not even exist in the idea. This is judging by the naivety of your posts. I'm not going to enter into a dialogue with you, I'm sorry, it's not interesting.

[iouris]

Quote: pytar

Musk man is undeniably talented, breakthrough, was able to change one of the most high-tech industries!

Quite the opposite: a very controversial thesis. One person is not capable of these "breakthroughs". Moreover, an emigrant from South Africa who has not received a fundamental education (I respect South Africa). And Rogozin, by his education and experience, has nothing to do with technology at all (I respect technology and progress).
In short, soon we will see for ourselves, but for now all this is a show.

[pytar]

One person is not capable of these "breakthroughs".

And who is saying that ?! The talent is to have a fellow, organize high-tech activities from scratch! Many abilities are needed, including serious knowledge on the subject of applied sciences!

Moreover, an immigrant from South Africa who did not receive a fundamental education

iouris, an intelligent person like you would look through a hot wiki! It says:
He entered the University of Queens in Kingston, where he studied from 1989 to 1991. Then he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania to study business and physics. Received a bachelor's degree in economics and a bachelor of physics.
But besides education, you need the natural talent of a discoverer, which Ilon undoubtedly possesses! If we look at the ego of the career, it is full of innovation.
About Rogozin I do not want to comment. It's a shame.

In short, soon we will see for ourselves, but for now all this is a show.

Spicex commercial company. The show is obligatory, it pays off. Yes, and there is something to show!

[FRoman1984]

Congratulations to Space X!
Rogozin with his stupid joke turned into a laughing stock. Well, now "your answer, Comrade Mauser?"

[Greenwood]

Quote: FRoman1984

Rogozin with his stupid joke turned into a laughing stock.

To be honest, he was all the way. To put at the head of the country's rocket and space industry an ambitious under-journalist who has not worked as an engineer for a day in his life is simply a shame.

[New Year day]

Quote: Greenwood

To put at the head of the rocket and space industry of the country a short-sighted under-journalist who has not worked as an engineer for a day in his life ...

but wasn't it before? Golikova - accountant - Minister of Health, professor-cardiologist Skrynnik - Minister of Agriculture, etc. etc. This is the leader’s personnel policy

[viktor_ui]

the Mauser’s barrel was blown off ... well, this Mauser was hollow because the next future has come and is accelerating on the rise. The mood is just fire!

[Disant]

Rogozin with his stupid joke turned into a laughing stock.

it was not a joke - it was a response to American sanctions against Roscosmos, which delivered the Americans to the ISS.
therefore, the Americans trained on their trampoline until they assembled the dragrend.

[pytar]

Rogozin with his stupid joke turned into a laughing stock. Well, now "your answer, Comrade Mauser?"

How small, elementary little people rule now in Russian Space, it is possible to judge by their reaction:
Roscosmos "called incomprehensible" tantrum "about the launch of Crew Dragon - "The hysteria that arose after the successful launch of the Crew Dragon ship is not very clear. What happened that should have happened a long time ago," - wrote on Twitter the official representative of the state corporation Vladimir Ustimenko.
https://news.mail.ru/society/42002364/?frommail=1

[Kisa]

and I remember Dima Rogozin expressed something else when he was vice prime minister after the American accident, advised them to get on a trampoline, after which he put Dima to steer the space and graduated from the journalism department of Moscow State University))))

[dima314]

would you at least strain your brains and find out when the Shuttle burned out and when and for what reason Rogozin spoke out! Or are you scolding and your time starts in 2014? Rogozin in response to amer’s sanctions said, and when the accident happened he had nothing to do with space

[Interlocutor]

and I remember Dima Rogozin expressed something else when he was vice prime minister after the American accident, advised them to get on a trampoline, after which he put Dima to steer the space and graduated from the journalism department of Moscow State University))))

After the Crimea, he offered them this. He reacted to the provocative question of journalists.

[Quadro]

Quote: kitty

and I remember Dima Rogozin expressed something else when he was vice prime minister after the American accident, advised them to get on a trampoline, after which he put Dima to steer the space and graduated from the journalism department of Moscow State University))))

Hohlotroll. He talked about trampolines about the Amer’s militia that they would give up our engines and about their sanctions.

[FRoman1984]

They are well done, the first step is returnable.
I think, but will we not degrade after 50 years in space? We fly projects, products, and, as a result, in the Unions with Protons.

[viktor_ui]

We have been degrading for a long time in terms of technology and I will not even enumerate what has been lost since the collapse of the USSR ... Rogozin's project to build a skyscraper in Moscow in the form of either a rocket, or a man's inflicted visible from orbit, we will long remember as an example of squalor flight of technical thought of the "steering henchman". I. Musk and his team hammered a hefty nail ... no, not in Roscosmos, but in the mediocre mischief of talkers and peacocks ... for you are not SP KOROLYOV. and let's see you.

[Servisinzhener]

And somehow SpaceX can do without a huge multi-story office in the center of Washington. They do not even have plans for such a construction.
Most of all, SpaceX headquarters reminded me of only 5 of them in the Krasnodar shopping center. It looks the same from the outside, but the content and result are, to put it mildly, different.

[Vadim237]

No, you list the technologies lost since the collapse of the USSR - very interesting.

[donavi49]

The next significant event in space is Beck with Photon (tentatively June-July). For the first time, a small rocket will be able to perform the functions of a serious launch vehicle, just not on a large scale. This will open up new possibilities, for example, small companies will be able to start sensing the moon (including high-resolution photos of landing sites, if this aspect hurts, you can already finance some short-lived rubbish bin).

Then the end of July - the launch of Tianwen, the first Chinese Martian mission with an orbital module and a landing platform, where the rover is installed.

Next is another American private missile, but very pragmatic and conservative, and also not in the 500- category, but immediately at 1t for ultra-low, 630 for standard, with the development of the family in the future.

[RUSS]

Vatniki and cheers- patriots zaminusut you

[ccsr]

Quote: donavi49

This will open up new possibilities, for example, small companies will be able to start sensing the moon (including high-resolution photos of landing sites, if this aspect hurts, you can already finance some short-lived rubbish bin).

Why is it for small companies - can you think of something?

[Interlocutor]

They are well done, the first step is returnable.

I'm afraid to make a mistake. It seems to me that there is no need to make return feet. The Americans took a step over 400 km. In 400 km we may already have the territory of another country, or taiga. Maybe I'm wrong.

[regdan]

Congratulations. And I wish all the enemies of Russia who are like Rogozin and his sonless mediocrity to die soon.

[Ros 56]

But what will they return to or Musk will send one missile for them? Before you enter, think about how to exit. Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ros 56

But what will they return to or Musk will send one missile for them?

On what flew, on that and will return.

[voyaka uh]

Dragon Crew and Dragon Cargo are one and the same. Only added
emergency engines and crew air supply system.
Cargo Dragons have already flown back and forth (returning cargo from the ISS)
19 (or more?) Times.

[Maxwrx]

There it is not so. Dagon 2 is a new ship in the passenger and cargo versions. and he flew for the first time in 2019. And the first version of the dragon is no longer available and made the last flight. I read somewhere that from the first version no more than 20% of the equipment.

[Avior]

What can you say?
We must honestly congratulate the Americans on a new stage in their space programs.
And astronauts, a successful return.
PS I looked at the posts in the News section. It somehow strange happened that the news about which the Internet writes and shows about appeared on the VO with reference to Rogozin, and even then second-hand.
It would be possible to deliver an independent message about this, and not in relation to Rogozin.

[RUSS]

After the pilot successful launch of the Mask a year ago, Dmitry Rogozin announced the start of preparations for competition in the market for manned launches. In one of the interviews, he, in particular, lamented that the Russian state corporation should test a new manned ship, "which actually should have appeared much earlier." “And he will appear in 2022. And the carrier for him - a new rocket, which is not yet available, Soyuz-5 - will be by this time. Now we are dispersing the first money throughout the cooperation, the work has begun, ”Rogozin said frankly in April 2019.

[Vadim237]

Union 5 Irtysh most likely will fly only after 3 years and the manned eagle in 2025.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim237

Union 5 Irtysh most likely will fly only after 3 years and the manned eagle in 2025.

need to live. That's when it flies, then there will be evidence of the competence of Roscosmos. Bye, these are just words ...

[anjey]

NASA Director noted that such cooperation will be strong.

Sly, History shows that in the end it’s competition, competition, and again competition .Fighting and competition is the engine of progress!

[donavi49]

In fact - if you look at the number of developed missiles in the world now. That begs the question, and where to take so much load ??? This year, only a dozen new LVs should fly (part will go to the next course). Felling for each order will be more serious than for the sale of each smartphone now. And here, taking into account the sanctions and inflexible policies, it will be quite difficult for Roscosmos to take at least 1-2 launches for dollars a year.

Plus, the Chinese entered the global launch market and began to eat orders there. They offer very tasty conditions, loans, etc. This year they have:
pack of argentinian satellites in summer.
Indosat (Indonesian satellite) launched
another pack of Argentine satellites launched in January

3 launch foreign load. For comparison, Roskosmos 2 Oneveb (and all, bankrupt) and the UAE satellite in the fall. If you do not take the French from Kourou.

[Vadim237]

That's just for the exploration of the moon and the extraction of mineral resources on it, the organization of the Internet and communication in its orbit - all these rockets will be useful in the future for mini satellites they can deliver.

[orionvitt]

Quote: donavi49

offer delicious conditions

All the "tasty conditions" in the field of space launches, exclusively at the expense of state funding. A kind of space dumping, with the aim of capturing markets and dumping a competitor. History is as old as the world. No private trader will ever be able to compete in space with government programs. The so-called "commercial launches", without additional funding, are always unprofitable. And what behind Musk is funding from NASA and the state, assistance from specialists and others, they prefer to remain silent about this, making him a "genius of all times and peoples."

[shahor]

Quote: orionvitt

And what kind of mask is NASA and the state funding,

The difference between Musk and Roscosmos is that funding from the Musk state is received in the form of a contract to solve a specific problem - delivering people to the ISS. Musk received the contract not just like that, but according to the results of the competition, in which there were 5 participants. Remained 2- Boeing and Musk. Due to this contract and commercial launches (the amount of which Musk overtook Roscosmos), the current activities of the company are financed and income tax is paid. Roscosmos is sitting on the state budget, due to which it is trying to survive. Roscosmos employs 250 thousand people. Mask has 6 thousand.

[orionvitt]

Quote: shahor

Mask has 6 thousand.

Are you out of your mind? Have you ever been involved in production at all? Six thousand, this is an average tractor or bicycle factory, but not a space enterprise. Space is a whole industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of enterprises and billions of dollars in investments. Leave the tales of the "genius" who built something breakthrough (in our case, a rocket) in the "garage on his knee" to young children. Well, or continue to believe in these fairy tales yourself, if you have not grown up yet. The striped ones invested almost a trillion bucks only on the development of the F-35, which is a trifle compared to space.

[shahor]

Quote: orionvitt

Six thousand, this is an average tractor, or bicycle factory, but not a space enterprise.

You're right. I made a mistake. Today, on the Gazeta.ru resource, the number of employees in Spacex Mask is defined as "... less than 8 thousand." Added about 1,5 thousand jobs. Is it easier for you? But seriously, it has long been known that production efficiency does not depend on the number of employees. That in terms of labor productivity in industry, Russia lags behind those of the United States by ... 6 thousand people at a bicycle factory and by 250 thousand shock workers in Roskosmos. Therefore, Musk with his "less than 8 thousand" is a billionaire and successfully builds ships, and Ragozin is also ... not a poor man, although he builds Vostochny, models of the same ships and tells fairy tales. Oh yes, he also developed a project of the Roscosmos building that has no analogues in the world in the form of ... well, you understand me, and demonstrated it to the whole country.

[orionvitt]

Quote: shahor

Do you feel better?

To me? Just because of my age and life experience, I, unlike you, know how everything works. But on the Internet, everything is very simple and clear. No need to think.

[shahor]

Quote: orionvitt

To me? Just by virtue of age and life experience, I, unlike you, know how everything works

В
They always liked people who, by virtue of their age and what they call life experience, know everything, understand everything. The trouble is that until they reached the age they didn’t understand anything, but they did it — oh-go-go! Due to my age and my experience, I came to the conclusion that Socrates was right - I know that I know nothing. Therefore, when he was younger, he looked for an answer, for example, in books. Now I use the Internet and quietly envy you, everyone has already found out, everyone has understood ... Is it boring, probably, to communicate with unreasonable humanity? Here our President said that after the death of Gandhi there is no one to talk to. You probably have the same problems. Sorry.

[orionvitt]

Quote: shahor

Now I use the Internet

It can be seen. It would be better, as before, to read books. And about Socrates, please do not. Judging by your judgments, you deeply believed that you know everything in the world. And do not lie about age. 30 years, this is not even maturity.

[shahor]

Quote: orionvitt

And do not lie about age. 30 years, this is not even maturity.

Well, thanks for the compliment, but to me, actually, 66. And where did you see from me a hint of my omniscience? On the contrary, I emphasize that I don’t know and don’t understand that much. Therefore, I rummage through books and actively surf the Internet. And, excuse me, I like people like Mask, they are in eternal search, they want to understand how everything works and use it to the benefit of people. Musk is doomed to success and failure - the goal is unattainable, but his contribution to progress will be huge. And there are people who already understood how everything works. They are calm and confident in their infallibility. From them, perhaps ... there is no harm. I hope this is not about you.

[ccsr]

Quote: shahor

And, excuse me, I like people like Mask, they are in eternal search, they want to understand how everything works and use it to the benefit of people. Musk is doomed to success and failure - the goal is unattainable, but his contribution to progress will be huge.

Do you still believe that industries like astronautics depend on the energy of one person? I regret you, once in 66 years you still did not understand what teams of professionals in such fields as astronautics are doing now, and if there is an appropriate base built on the experience and knowledge of past generations. And the fact that you speculate on the figure of 8 thousand working at Mask at the last stage of assembly, contrasting the number of all Roskosmos, once again convinces me that you just do not understand how it all works in such a complex area as space, which another opponent rightly pointed out to you . You yourself have at least an idea of ​​where Musk came from and his entire corporation, whose base it still uses and how successfully he does business, if so far he has achieved the results that we had already fifty years ago.

[shahor]

Quote: ccsr

if so far he has achieved the results that we had already fifty years ago.

Well, firstly, about 50 years ago you did not achieve anything. What a strange way to give yourself the right to meaningfully broadcast on behalf of the country. I, too, a great connoisseur of the organization of production ... About 50 years ago, Americans flew on the Apollo if you forgot. And they created a Saturn-moon rocket, the analogue of which the great Korolev failed to create. Why is a separate topic. So Musk could well have an American backlog as a role model. But in practice, he fulfilled the terms of the contract with NASA, creating a system for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. No more, no less. The system is obviously much more modern and more practical than the Union. And about 50 years ago, the USSR had returnable stages?
And don’t say that Heavy Falcon Musk copied
from Proton .... As for your hysteria about the number of Mask employees, it only indicates a dense view of modern production. There is no need for a mask, unlike Roscosmos, to rivet everything yourself. Based on a powerful team of design engineers and technologists, a contract with NASA, he can order the necessary components according to his specifications from a specialized company. Why do it yourself if there are people who have been doing this excellently for many years? The whole world is already taking this path — look at the production of Vulcano light rockets in Italy, the same rockets in New Zlandia ... The list goes on. And the person is Korolev. What would Soviet space be without him? He is both a manager and a constructor. And Kurchatov is the same. Like Musk. If there are no such people, Rogozins appear. And cardboard rocket models.

[ccsr]

Quote: shahor

Well, firstly, about 50 years ago you did not achieve anything.

I took part in the seventies in the LKI combat station "Almaz" - the Americans still have not created anything like this, and they do not even have their own orbital station, apart from the murky history with Skylab.

Quote: shahor

About 50 years ago, Americans flew on the Apollo if you forgot.

Well, why still do not fly on them, if they have Saturn-V only in the museum?

Quote: shahor

And they created a Saturn-moon rocket, the analogue of which the great Korolev failed to create.

In fact, Mishin was the designer of this rocket, because the Queen was not alive even at the beginning of the first tests.

Quote: shahor

There is no need for a mask, unlike Roscosmos, to rivet everything yourself. Based on a powerful team of design engineers and technologists, a contract with NASA

And then consider all those who worked for the Mask creating its media, just speculate on the number of Roscosmos.

Quote: shahor

And the person is Korolev. What would Soviet space be without him? He is both a manager and a constructor. And Kurchatov is the same. Like Musk.

Well, you lied without blushing - you can’t compare the Mask with either Kurchatov or Korolev, because he is a pygmy on their background.

[shahor]

Quote: ccsr

Well, you lied without blushing - you can’t compare the Mask with either Kurchatov or Korolev, because he is a pygmy on their background.

The scale of man is known over the years. Musk is in his prime. I think he will have time to do a lot of things. And they will give him an assessment after us. And your hostility to the Mask is explained, in my opinion, by the unreleased scoop. Here Mikhalkov-Konchalovsky had a film-Chicken-pock. The bottom line in a nutshell. At the beginning of the era of free enterprise, a peasant in a Russian village decided to raise chickens. I didn’t sleep at night, didn’t drink, didn’t eat, things went decently earned, but worked hard. Guys-type-cash began to come! He- why is this? Well, you, like, earned, share! He- come to work for me! Crying well! No one went. They began to poison. Like this? His, rustic, but works, earns a lot, lives better than anyone! And it should be like everyone else! There you are. Why is he! Private trader! I decided to earn in space! We tested Diamonds, and he stole everything from us - and the billionaire. And we - with bare well .... in old age! I understand, the complexes torment. Resentment. Do not be angry! Help a better grandson get a good education. He will be able to get to work for the Mask- and learn a lot! Health!

[ccsr]

Quote: shahor

And they will give him an assessment after us. And your hostility to the Mask is explained, in my opinion, by the unreleased scoop.

Tell at least one breakthrough technology that Musk created and what it consists of, or that he created one that was not there before. You can do it easily, since you don’t have a scoop ...

[shahor]

Quote: ccsr

Tell at least one breakthrough technology that Musk created and what it consists of.

Well, offhand, Raptor. Methane engine. On tests it showed a record pressure in the combustion chamber. But, in my opinion, Musk's achievement is different. For the first time, on a large scale, he showed a new model for creating space systems and space exploration. Where the state is the customer. Look - in the USA there is a Blue Origin with its own BE-4 engine, developed by Glenn rockets. There is Virgin with his reusable Shepard, who is ready to fly with tourists. After all, there is a competitor to Musk Boeing - do you have doubts that their Starliner will fly "the other day"? Just choose! Compare this with our model, where budget funds are pumped into Roskos, like into a bottomless pit, and cardboard layouts, promises and a new office project are sent out. Do not be offended for shovels, nothing personal. Our generation comes from a place where there was both good and bad. I hope our grandchildren will have only good things.

[ccsr]

Quote: shahor

Well, offhand, Raptor. Methane engine. On tests showed a record pressure in the combustion chamber.

This is not an indicator, much less a revolutionary discovery, but just a type of jet engine fuel.

Quote: shahor

For the first time, on a large scale, he showed a new model for creating space systems and space exploration. Where is the customer state.

This is an organizational trick and there is nothing new in terms of doing business.
Musk didn't start from scratch, and can be compared to General Groves from The Manhattan Project.

Quote: shahor

After all, there is a competitor to Musk Boeing - do you have doubts that their Starliner will fly "the other day"? Just choose!

That's when the accident rate flies and compare, the cost of delivering a kilogram to orbit, and then we will say how much they overtook us.

Quote: shahor

Compare with our model, where budget funds are pumped into Roscos, like a bottomless pit, and cardboard mock-ups, promises, and a new office project come out.

Have you ever wondered why we have such a system and where did it come from? Do you even understand that Roskosmos is associated with our military-industrial complex and not everything that it receives goes to manned programs.

[shahor]

Quote: ccsr

Do you even understand that Roscosmos is connected with our military-industrial complex and not everything that it receives goes to manned programs.

Of course. That's why there is a closed part of the company's budget, which is not supposed to be known. We don’t even know how big it is.
About the revolution. The methane engine is not a new fuel. This is an engine with a long cycle of work — its Masters master for flying to Mars — as an option. And the return steps, for the first time in space, is not a breakthrough? And the fact that Dragons are reusable is a repeat of the development of Roskosmos? Well, a statement on the topic here once and then ... in general became a meme. Have you seen a tablet on the Internet with this multi-stage skepticism? Does it make sense to step on this again? The problem is that civil space in Russia today is not a priority. Hence the level of funding. sloppy personnel policy. Hence, the wangyu, the inevitable lag in the next 20 years.

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Quote: donavi49

3 launch foreign load. For comparison, Roskosmos 2 Oneveb (and all, bankrupt) and the UAE satellite in the fall. If you do not take the French from Kourou.

The ICA cluster from Glavkosmos was forgotten. There will be many devices. In general, there are still many launches before the end of the year.

[pytar]

In fact - if you look at the number of developed missiles in the world now. That begs the question, and where to take so much load ???

Just in response to market demands, there are so many companies developing services in Cosmos. Many participants, healthy competition, success will not be late!
Tough times await Rosskosmos, in the form of an ego of inefficiency and chaos reigning in a state-owned company.

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Quote: pytar

Tough times await Rosskosmos, in the form of an ego of inefficiency and chaos reigning in a state-owned company.

In Russia, private owners, with whom Roscosmos cooperates, are engaged in the creation of the ICA.

[APASUS]

Rogozin congratulated the United States on the launch of a manned spacecraft to the ISS

But it should be the other way around, but for now Rogozin is doing well, only tell tales ............

[parusnik]

Musk jumped, jumped on a "trampoline" and still jumped ... That's what training means ... the USA is in first place in the team event in this sport ...

[RUSS]

Quote: parusnik

Musk jumped, jumped on a "trampoline" and still jumped ... That's what training means ... the USA is in first place in the team event in this sport ...

The American entrepreneur and founder of SpaceX, Ilon Mask, recalled the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin about the trampoline after launching the manned spacecraft Crew Dragon to the International Space Station (ISS). He stated this during a press conference broadcast on the website of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).

Responding to a question about the reaction of Russia, head of department James Brydenstein said that he had not talked with Rogozin yet, but saw his statement congratulating NASA and SpaceX. “He spoke out in the sense that this is a joyful day not only for us, but also for them,” he said.

“The trampoline is working,” Musk added after that and laughed, after which Bridenstein also laughed. The founder of SpaceX explained that this is an internal joke.

[Thunderbringer]

I was jumping on a trampoline for 6 (six) years. And finally, the trampoline works.
There is reason to laugh.
Laughing so-so, after 6 years of grinding your teeth.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thunderbringer

I was jumping on a trampoline for 6 (six) years. And finally "the trampoline works"

Elon Musk did not cooperate with Rogozin, are you sure about NASA?

[Thunderbringer]

This is me about Rogozin's joke six years ago.
NASA heard this, and it’s clearly sunk into their brains, since after so many years they remember her, and now they are laughing happily.
Now, years later, the Americans can again (probably) send their astronauts to the ISS.
Now Rogozin has the same amount of time to answer a joyful laugh.

[Klingon]

what was going to answer,? stick out your tongue and say "be-be-be"? maybe he'd better eat a tie?

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Quote: Klingon

what was going to answer,? stick out your tongue and say "be-be-be"? maybe he'd better eat a tie?

Ties eat only shvili. We have launched two new missiles this year.

[Klingon]

hurt yourself! Congratulations)) Say hello to Chef. He made himself a laughing stock. by the way who are you taking this time? Indians? I'm sure no AMS are planned, the bar is not the same, and the rest is generally not interesting to anyone

[slipped]

I’ll tell Lyolik how not to convey. While they are laughing, you have to: the Indians are flying on their ship, and the landing module "Kazachok" is almost ready and a European parachute is waiting.

[Klingon]

it’s clear that you have nothing to appeal)) but about Lyolik I would be careful, don’t go over the personality, I personally didn’t offend you by the way

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Quote: Klingon

it is clear that you have nothing to appeal))

What do I have nothing with? you wrote that no AMS is planned, I replied that "Kazachok" is almost ready. "Kazachok" is our Mars landing module with a planetary station. We made it, tore the veins to have time to start up this year, but EKA, which was simultaneously making a parachute and a rover, let us down. Of course, we asked them to first hand over the development of the parachute to our Research Institute of Parachute Construction, but apparently their ambitions prevailed then ... now we are waiting for a new astronomical window. It will open in 2022.

Quote: Klingon

and as for Lelik, I would be careful, don’t go over the personality, I personally didn’t offend you by the way

Is that your name? I did not know you will be rich. But seriously, I didn’t mean to offend you, and I couldn’t even think that you didn’t watch The Diamond Hand. Not from Russia or what? That's why you don't like everything Russian so much.

[parusnik]

RUSS I don’t talk about much else ... Yes, but okay ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The local contingent has the same attitude towards Rogozin as some Ukrainians have towards European integration. They thought that they would sign an agreement on this very integration, and the next morning they would wake up with European salaries and pensions.
So it is with Rogozin. So he was appointed head of Roscosmos, and immediately there should have been an incredible leap beyond everything in general. Well, in a week maximum. And since there is still no, then you can play a little to the best of your modest strength.

[vadimtt]

Who is this from Rogozin expected? There were such expectations - "it will destroy everything (optimize)".
Again - Kiriyenko was able, after about the same expectations of the industry.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: vadimtt

There were such expectations - "it will destroy everything (optimize)".

If this is exactly what was expected, then what is everyone dissatisfied with?

How many years did it take for Kiriyenko to bring Rosatom to the current level? Do you think when he first headed this structure, exactly the same gloating platitudes did not rush to him?

[onix757]

Wait, the Americans were happy with everything until 20, but this year they set themselves the goal of ousting the Russian Federation from the nuclear energy market. They sensed that the Soviet ground had dried up. And you can be sure that they will carry out their plans, because our system is not competitive in the realities of the "economy" of shopping centers.

[Vadim237]

And what kind of legacy do you have there in Russia’s nuclear energy industry that should dry up?

[Albert1988]

Quote: onix757

They sensed that the Soviet backlog had dried up.

Ogap, given that our reactors are being developed new, not Soviet, and very active, which cannot be said about the same amers. Even a reactor has been developed for a very long time, the weight and size characteristics of which allow it to be launched and used in space ... A full-fledged reactor, not a nuclear battery.
So the atomic sphere is so far little in which we are quite well moving forward ...

[onix757]

if we consider that the reactors we are developing are new, not Soviet, and very active

Since the time of the Soviet BN reactors and reactor installations for Cosmos series satellites, there is nothing fundamentally new.
Hooray, can we scream or wait?

[Albert1988]

Quote: onix757

Since the time of the Soviet BN reactors and reactor installations for Cosmos series satellites, there is nothing fundamentally new.

You would first ask what is being done in the atomic sphere, and then you would already express something ...

[Vadim237]

This is nothing new in your knowledge in this direction.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

If this is exactly what was expected, then what is everyone dissatisfied with?

And why be satisfied? Even with the death of the shuttles, it was clear that while Russia will work as taxi drivers, the Americans will try to reach a new level. Now, it is likely that Roscosmos will have to lay out the headstock of Mask for training our cosmonauts to fly Masked rockets.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

You are so pleased to sign the death certificate of the Russian cosmonautics, as if this is your most cherished dream.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

You are so pleased to sign the death certificate of the Russian cosmonautics, as if this is your most cherished dream.

I have no pleasure. There is a desire to hang for one place on the nearest aspen all of our defective sawfly managers who only build mock-ups and promise something for a certain year.

[Thunderbringer]

Are these the very ones that are now successfully building and launching Unions?
Oh well. Then it’s sure that you will have to go to the Mask to bow.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Are these the very ones that are now successfully building and launching Unions?

Alliances were built a long time ago. I'm talking about those who "build" the Irtysh, Yenisei, Angara, Kolyma, and the devil knows what else, including Luna-Globe, Federal Eagle, with projects for the Lunar station and helium production this year.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

You will be surprised, but among those who

builds "Irtysh, Yenisei, Angara, Kolyma, and the devil knows what else, including Luna-Glob, Federal Eagle

full of 70-80-year-old "Soviet-style specialists", as well as their sons and other relatives who travel abroad not to speak at seminars-conferences, but to hang out at public expense.
And what these "Soviet-trained specialists" really succeed in is in writing bonuses for themselves and the like. And everything else is according to the residual principle.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I mean those who "build" the Irtysh, Yenisei, Angara,

An interesting fact about how they are built there - one of the leading engineers of the Angara, after its first launch, issued a revelation that for all the previous time the development of financing for the work was hardly allocated 40% of the necessary ...
So we have what we have ...

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Quote: mordvin xnumx

quite possibly

Hiley Likely

In the meantime, after repair, we opened a hydrolaboratory and began fitting work with the new Russian module:

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

In the meantime, after repair, we opened a hydrolaboratory and began fitting work with the new Russian module:

If it’s not a secret, who do you work in Roskosmos? Propagandist?

[slipped]

Not a secret, no. You do not like the news of Roskosmos?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

You do not like the news of Roskosmos?

Don't, don't like it, citizen propagandist. Isn't that "Science" in the picture? Have all the pipelines been blown through, have you forgotten anything?

[slipped]

Then let the blaze continue

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

let it burn further

Heh, you’re also a psychologist, as I can see ... Isn’t it yourself disgusting?

[slipped]

How is it burning with you? no

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

How is it burning with you?

Nothing blazes at me. You are tearing it up here. And for what, one wonders?

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: slipped

How is it burning with you?

Nothing blazes at me.

oh li

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

oh li

La-la-fa ...

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

La-la-fa ...

Yes, even so, to the music, I will even throw some firewood for you - MLM-U "Nauka" is now in a thermal vacuum chamber and is being tested before being sent to Baikonur. Heat?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

Heat?

Dozhik. I feel good, I don’t work on a dozhik, I drink beer.

Quote: slipped

passes tests before sending to Baikonur.

This module has been assembled for twenty years. Hurry up to space pulled until it collapsed.

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

This module has been assembled for twenty years. Hurry up to space pulled until it collapsed.

And who told you. that it will "fall apart", it is iron, nothing will happen to it. On the contrary, it will pass the entire set of tests assigned to it and fly to the station.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

And who told you. that it will "fall apart", it is iron, nothing will happen to it.

You never know ... Squeaks, whistles, rivets will sprinkle, the metal will overstrain from the attempts ... I survive, you know ...

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

It will rattle, whistle, the rivets will sprinkle, the metal will overstrain from the attempts ... I survive, you know ...

Any spacecraft go through a thermal pressure chamber before being sent to the cosmodrome, while Soyuz and Progress do it directly at the cosmodrome.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

Any spacecraft go through a thermal pressure chamber before being sent to the cosmodrome, while Soyuz and Progress do it directly at the cosmodrome.

I have a feeling that I am talking with a bot. Or with the brigade: one was replaced, and the other did not enter. It’s easier to be, fellow (s) propagandist (s). However, I’ll go and I'm paranoid with beer glasses to scare.

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

I have a feeling that I am talking with a bot.

Well, then in vain you are so worried, out there really is better beer. And there’s no need to broaden your horizons, it’s even harmful .... to beer.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

And there’s no need to broaden your horizons,

But keep these tips with you.

[slipped]

Well, I'm a "bot", an NPC in your opinion, I'm forgivable

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

forgive me

Goodbye, bot, eat your pixels.

[slipped]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Goodbye, bot, eat your pixels.

yeah see you soon

[vadimtt]

Wonderful to open (without sarcasm)!
But who (what) will output this module? (and here is the sea of ​​sarcasm, deserved, by the way).

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Do you think when he first headed this structure, exactly the same malevolent platitudes did not rush to him?

About four, or maybe five years ago, Kiriyenko was screwed up on the site, who was not too lazy "kindersurprise", everyone remembered the default under which Chernomyrdin brought the country down, and to save the face of a great husband, Kiriyenko was framed.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Exactly! But some locals have very selective memory.

[RUSS]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

So it is with Rogozin. So he was appointed head of Roscosmos, immediately it should have turned out

The new Russian manned spacecraft "Eagle" (formerly the project was called "Federation") is being developed about the same as the American projects, but still far from being able to go on its first space flight. Its first orbital test was planned to be carried out back in 2017, then in 2021, then the deadline was shifted by another year, now the first launch is expected to be carried out in 2023. “Initially, it was made on the basis of cladding made of special carbon fiber reinforced plastics," says Kotov. "There are no such technologies in Russia, it was supposed to order cladding in Europe. But 2014 came, the sanctions came, now there is no opportunity to make carbon fiber cladding, so the ship began to be counted on metal the case, practically to do from scratch. " Until now, it is not even known from which cosmodrome and with which carrier rocket the Orel will fly - initially it was about the Vostochny cosmodrome and the Angara A5P rocket, then - about Baikonur and the Soyuz-5 rocket, now again about the Vostochny and "Angara". “Indeed, news comes first, then another, then the third. But for quite a long time there has been a unified scheme that it will start on the Angara, and this will be done from the second stage of the Vostochny construction, when the launch site for the Angara will be built. ...

[Genry]

Quote: RUSS

The new Russian manned spacecraft "Eagle" (previously the project was called "Federation") is being developed about the same as the American projects, but is still far from being able to go on its first space flight. Its first orbital test was planned to be carried out back in 2017, then in 2021, then the deadline was shifted by another year, now the first launch is supposed to be carried out in 2023.

"Eagle" - nobody needs it. There is no need for a crowd of people and nowhere to carry. Moon, Mars, .... - these are fairy tales (due to radiation) for the distant future. Now the bet is on automatic devices and androids with AI to boot.

[Vadim237]

It is not for you to decide what is on what and where to send what is needed and what is not needed.

[Genry]

Quote: Vadim237

It is not for you to decide what is on what and where to send what is needed and what is not needed.

And I'm just summarizing the information. A person is needed only as a "solver" of exceptional situations, such as an android to heal ....

[Disant]

It is not for you to decide what is on what and where to send what is needed and what is not needed.

explain your bet on the Eagle Federation. for what?

[ALARI]

And that Rogozin came to an empty place? Hangars are empty, there are no workers, there are no developments and developments? Everything was, but instead of moving forward into space, he became a lumberjack. And sawdust flew, and so it’s still not clear how many of these sawdust were pulled into your pockets.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The local contingent has the same attitude towards Rogozin as some Ukrainians have towards European integration.

You just noticed that - they still think that it is Rogozin who determines the development of our manned space program, and not the general level of our economy and the financing of science. Although it is obvious that if Korolev were not allocated such funds from the budget in the space race during the Soviet era, it is still unknown who was the first astronaut. Therefore, you can blame everything on Rogozin, who naturally does not enjoy respect among our science and industry, but blaming him personally for all the failures of our cosmonautics is like blaming the wind when you decided to urinate against him.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The local contingent has the same attitude towards Rogozin as some Ukrainians have towards European integration. They thought that they would sign an agreement on this very integration, and the next morning they would wake up with European salaries and pensions.
So it is with Rogozin. So he was appointed head of Roscosmos, and immediately there should have been an incredible leap beyond everything in general. Well, in a week maximum. And since there is still no, then you can play a little to the best of your modest strength.

Rogozin has been steering there for a couple and a half years. For so much time, Musk designed, built and launched Dragon Crew. Where is the new ship from Rogozin?

[Darkspy]

Musk certainly well done. But it’s worth noting that Grew Dragon is only a Union of 2 generations, it was created for the ISS and in my opinion it can fly around the moon without landing. And the real new ones will be Orion from Lockheed Martin and of course Starship from Ilona

[donavi49]

And he still does not fly to Mars and to Titan.

I wonder what should be the ship that was created under the program - commercial manned flights to the ISS? Musk there at times went into dreams about blooming apples on distant planets, but with NASA he was always pulled, demanding to do what was ordered and not be distracted.

Here is the availability of Dragon and Starliner for one ISS, this is in question. So much is not needed.

If we talk about the obvious poles, then Dragon has:
- key management relief. One person performs all the functions. It is important. The union requires 2 trained astronauts and can carry 1 tourist / scientist / not trained for a deep flight course of a person. A dragon can (and will) fly in a 1 + 3 layout. This is not only tourism, but also the opening of the ISS for scientists. Also cheaper training. The opportunity to let the hours free to study experiments.

- significantly greater comfort. Both acceleration and brake (so far only on unmanned launch), and habitability. Which again opens the way to space for those who cannot be transported in the Union.

- carries 1 person more + loads.

All this will be especially revealed when private traders of Axiom Space - begin to fasten their space hotel to the American segment of the ISS in 22 years. Well, they have plans for stage 2 to make their station for tourists with service and wide capabilities (peak 2).

The contracts for the first flights at the Mask by the way.

[RUSS]

Quote: donavi49

A dragon can (and will) fly in a 1 + 3 layout. This is not only tourism, but also the opening of the ISS for scientists.

Crew Dragon made the first manned flight with an incomplete crew. At maximum capacity 7 people Only two astronauts took part in the Demo-2 mission.

[donavi49]

They refused 7, NASA agreed to certify only 4 (and no longer needed - Boeing also intervened, they did 6-7, and NASA said, and you read the requirements? There 4). In general, 6-7 certification at the expense of the manufacturer and there the requirements are very stringent. It is doubtful that the ship will fly in such a load. Even if Axium builds a separate hotel, not a module on the ISS.

[Vadim237]

Someone else is going to create a station from inflatable modules.

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: donavi49

The union requires 2 trained astronauts and can carry 1 tourist / scientist / not trained for a deep flight course of a person.

The Union, in principle, does not require cosmonauts at all. The cargo Progress is practically no different from it; nevertheless, it calmly docks with the ISS.
Greater comfort is debatable too. especially if comfort is ensured by reducing all kinds of protective systems. Some "spacesuits" Mask are worth something.
If something happens, they will not save. Or does he, the ship, have 100% reliability?
This only happens in advertising.

[donavi49]

Well, you have mutually exclusive.

Either the union can in the machine and does not require anyone, the spacesuits will not save if the ship falls apart.

1) The Union works in the machine, although some procedures often need to be done by hand, but in general, the same Fedor, for example, flies. However, if the machine fails or a minor failure occurs, then 2 pilots are needed. Dragon - for this case, 1 is enough.

Therefore, the preparation of the mission in the Union - 2 people are seriously working on the flight course and on the simulator. On Dragon - 1.

2) The suits of the Mask are declared to be saved from capsule depressurization. Just like Roskosmos. I repeat, an astronaut flying on a ship compared the old spacesuit with his father’s winter pants and a jacket in childhood, and this one with flying overalls. Also, the old one required connecting 7 different interfaces, and the new 1 unified prefab. It is faster (in space or on emergency) and easier.

[Thunderbringer]

This is an extremely aggressive environment, here we are talking about the maximum possible protection, and the ability to provide a maximum.
But if, of course, the Mask has 100% reliability (and this basically does not happen, then yes, you can fly in a tracksuit.
In general, of course you are right, this is undoubtedly a step forward. Not a cardinal step, but a step. But anyway. And there is not the slightest reason for tearing hair on the head (this is not for you, it is for some commentators).
And of course, the future of cosmonautics in general is a decrease in the level of training of the cosmonauts themselves. I think pretty soon engineers or just military men will be able to go into space, without long years of preparation and special careful selection.
The ship will do everything for them.
But if something happened, and hello.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Thunderbringer

And there is not the slightest reason for tearing hair on the head (this is not for you, it is for some commentators).

The problem is not that Max launched something to the ISS, the problem is that he launched something new, more economical and with prospects. While we have not developed anything for a very long time and flew on the old Soviet groundwork! And when they realized it, it turned out that the backlog had already accumulated ...

[Thunderbringer]

Well, accumulated, yes. So the money spent on it at times less, if not tens of times.
There are no miracles. So far so.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Well, accumulated, yes.

Here's another thing - we have precisely scientific programs in space reduced almost to zero (((, this is an even bigger problem.

Quote: Thunderbringer

And the money spent on it is many times less, if not tens of times.

Yes, with us, too, everything is not ok - according to some sources, less than half of the necessary funds were spent on the Angara, for other projects it is also not clear what. And all for one reason - the meager uncles in high offices do not understand how you can invest huge money in something that does not bring instant profit ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Thunderbringer

You can argue about greater comfort

I don’t know how it can be comfortable in space, but if the "renovation" of the ship and the stylish design are considered as comfort, then yes. Yes, and about spacesuits too. Functionality is nothing, style is everything.

[dima314]

Quote: donavi49

The union requires 2 trained astronauts and can carry 1 tourist / scientist /

- where did you read so stupidly? The Union flies on the machine and manual control is used only in an emergency! Progress remember at least that grub and fuel carries! maybe they are training two cosmonauts, but only for the purpose of reinsurance.

[donavi49]

Union management requires 2 people. Therefore, the training program for 2 people. This causes some problems for tourism / passengers.
For example, in order to take Al-Mansouri at the request of the Sheikhs as soon as possible (because the deadlines had passed because of the accident, they strictly demanded to fly 2019) - I had to persuade Chris Cook to stay on the ISS for almost a year, so that there would be a place to return to the Arab.

[Klingon]

Union and Progress are disposable. and the Dragon will sit down (whether on engines or with a parachute do not care) and after revision and proper maintenance will fly again. This is the whole trick!

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

If we talk about the obvious poles, then Dragon has:
- key management relief. One person performs all the functions. It is important. The union requires 2 trained astronauts and can carry 1 tourist / scientist / not trained for a deep flight course of a person.

Wrong. Soyuz MS can be operated by one cosmonaut. The commercial Soyuz MS flies with one cosmonaut and two space flight participants.

Quote: donavi49

Also cheaper training. The opportunity to let the hours free to study experiments.

The preparation of a space flight participant on the Soyuz MS can take three months.

Quote: donavi49

- significantly greater comfort. Both acceleration and brake (so far only on unmanned launch), and habitability. Which again opens the way to space for those who cannot be transported in the Union.

Wrong. Three astronauts in the Union are more comfortable than four in the Dragon. The presence of a household compartment (second room) allows you to distribute the astronauts in the ship for various jobs. The toilet in the household compartment is available, unlike. Withdrawal at Soyuz-2 is smooth, with gradually increasing overload. Landing at the Dragon - on the water, which is fraught with unpleasant sensations for passengers.

Quote: donavi49

- carries 1 person more + loads.

It doesn't really matter. The permanent crew of the ISS is 6 people, and the ISS can receive 6 more people on short-term flights. Due to the constant rotation of Soyuz MS, in addition to the station's crew, there will always be one more cosmonaut delivered by the Soyuz.

Quote: donavi49

All this is especially revealed when private owners Axiom Space

plans, plans ....

[RUSS]

Quote: DarkSpy

Musk certainly well done. But it is worth noting that Grew Dragon is only Union 2

Soyuz-2 is it reusable? And accommodates 7 crew members?

[GSVG 86-88]

Honestly, I can't understand where all this "puppy delight" comes from? , The usual launch into space, which thousands and no one to surprise, you can congratulate the mattresses on the flight of man into space, us in 1961
congratulations too. In the end, Mars didn’t fly back and forth.

[RUSS]

Quote: GSVG 86-88

Honestly, I can't understand where all this "puppy delight" comes from? , The usual launch into space, which thousands and no one to surprise, you can congratulate the mattresses on the flight of man into space, us in 1961
congratulations too. In the end, Mars didn’t fly back and forth.

Because - "This is the first step towards new space projects. The fact that this is the first spacecraft and launch vehicle created by a private company, whose goal was to reduce the cost of space flights. If these hopes are justified, then the rockets are reusable. use will shake up the space industry, especially the launch of satellites.
Potentially, Elon Musk's firm will be able to send small satellites into space into different orbits at affordable prices. According to some estimates, there is a demand for sending 40 thousand satellites. That is, we may be on the verge of a new space age, when the technical capabilities for delivering people and cargo into space will significantly increase and their cost will significantly decrease "

[GSVG 86-88]

About the cost of launching the Mask, neither YOU nor I, and no one knows the truth once, well, two or at least 100 manned launches (and I mean about them) Mask will do, then it will be possible to draw some conclusions, but for now it’s PR of pure water, and I’m sure that the astronauts who flew and will fly on it, in their thoughts, who would never say out loud, would prefer to fly in unions, at least for the moment.

[Quadro]

Quote: GSVG 86-88

Honestly, I can't understand where all this "puppy delight" comes from? , The usual launch into space, which thousands and no one to surprise, you can congratulate the mattresses on the flight of man into space, us in 1961
congratulations too. In the end, Mars didn’t fly back and forth.

I agree, but the pro-American bottlers are already screaming that the Russian space program has died.

[viktor_ui]

About how many Rogozin minus ministers pulled in ... it’s only when I watched the live broadcast of the DRAGON launch, preparations for the launch with the arrival of the crew in Tesla, the equipment of people (black ninja personnel and a snow-white ship with the crew), touch control displays in front of people, etc. ..I understood that THIS is from the 21st CENTURY and is made for people. Strange you guys ... but we forgive you

[dima314]

So you admired the costumes and other props and tesla on which the astronauts arrived?) And what is the most convenient solution for transporting people in equipment?) It's good that the mask does not produce dump trucks)))

[viktor_ui]

No dear, I enjoyed the technology seen and embodied in the hardware and am able to appreciate their technical level due to my work and education ... and the success of normal people seems to put pressure on you and the like, it weighs on the chest with the weight of a dump truck. A sham where there is half-heartedness and theft and kumostvo = loss of image. They are clearly more comfortable on TESLA electric vehicles than on buses and I did not see the priest with the censer, and no one pissed the wheels before the start. Quite cool all this props for you sent two normal "boys" into orbit. I don't want to play chess with a pigeon.

[Thunderbringer]

Well, it always has been. Americans flew to the moon with on-board computers. And in the USSR at that time, the computer occupied one floor and required a separate electrical substation. Because cybernetics is a corrupt girl of imperialism.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Americans flew to the moon with on-board computers

Have you seen that computer? Not such a weak box, with 32 kilobytes of RAM. What he counted on there is unknown. Now there are almost hundreds of computers on any spacecraft, which in their characteristics are trillions of times superior to the "Apollo" one, but there is little progress in manned spacecraft that is not noticed. So the usual flight to orbit was turned into a "victory" of a universal scale.

[Thunderbringer]

There were already 3 of them there. One in the ship itself, and two in the carrier itself.
Something was considered, since everything ended in complete success.
Progress in astronautics in general was mainly determined by the accuracy of calculations and the reliability of the systems. For example, the famous American Pioneers and Voyagers. Calculations and reliability of the highest complexity. Alas, we didn’t succeed

[pytar]

Quote: Thunderbringer

Progress in astronautics in general was mainly determined by the accuracy of calculations and the reliability of the systems. For example, the famous American Pioneers and Voyagers. Calculations and reliability of the highest complexity. Alas, we didn’t succeed

Dear Andrey , personally, besides the undoubted technological innovations realized by SpaceX, the most striking thing is the incredibly high level of control of all processes associated with their reusable missiles!

This is an extremely difficult task, for its execution we need computers of colossal credibility and reliability! In parallel, they manage a few separate complex ultra-fast processes and they succeed! This is true 21st century! The future has come!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: viktor_ui

nobody pissed the wheels before the start.

Maybe they have a tradition in their own pants, as Glenn did?

[dima314]

Quite cool all this props for you sent two normal "boys" into orbit. - and those Americans who were taken to the ISS on the ISS for 9 years in a row, and often without reporting in the central media, were they abnormal guys?). And when the "most developed country" has invested state money into the swindler Musk, trying with all her might to restore the lost competencies, then this is a great achievement). Did you assess the technical level by the size of the displays made on Chinese matrices?))). Musk also buys batteries and their solar panels are worthless, and as the Union still does not know how to hang in orbit for 210 days). What about the great power and the beacon Musk? When a great power did not find what to send on an interplanetary journey on the most lifting carrier and a rusty Tesla swindler flew with a doll at the wheel)))

[borberd]

Unions - left over from the USSR. Relatively speaking, my daughter, on my dad’s penny, drove a neighbor for 9 years, for a rather large sum of money -3.9 billion green. And when a neighbor bought a brand new Mercedes, the daughter suddenly got offended and rushed to groan her neighbor’s purchase. For you, the Mask is all bad, because it’s not from Roskosmos or Rogozin. Envy less, and everything will be fine with you. An example of the Chinese is nothing at all, because you don’t have that either.

[rocket757]

Why did this event so excite some?
The Yankees prepared for a long, long time and flew into a test flight, as was said .... and indeed, the mission still needs to be completed normally! To sign a full contract. Normal practice, as stated by NASA.
Ours continue to work, implement their programs!
In general, there is no reason for some sort of confrontation.
Empty "nonsense" back and forth.

[cniza]

So I have the same opinion, we need to work harder and bring our programs to implementation, and there are more than them.

[rocket757]

Hi
Do what you should and get what you need.
This is not said today, just follow reasonable advice from ancestors and everything will be a bunch!

[cniza]

Sometimes we forget commonplace truths, that is why there are problems ...

[rocket757]

These are the top ones we have chosen.
Like illusions, everything should be dispelled, but no. Neither have we learned anything, although life hits us on the head and not with an empty dusty bag.
And the upper ones have their own dreams of fantasy, they have little connection with our country.

[demiurg]

Somehow unfair.
Mask exploded, well, with whom it does not happen, this is normal.
At Roskosmos what happened, right there as a carbon copy: Jura, we all lost, drank.
Musk launched astronauts, glee turning into a storm of applause.
Roscosmos launched the astronauts, this is the legacy of the USSR (although in the new alliances from missiles of the USSR only the name).
And no one will remember (for obvious reasons) what amounts were spent on space in Russia and what in the USA.

[donavi49]

And no one will remember (for obvious reasons) what amounts were spent on space in Russia and what in the USA.

Any amounts can be lowered if you rush between the expensive PH programs, practically abandoning and minimizing the almost ready new one (Angara), in favor of others from competitors who are not ready yet, but demanding billions, to revive Buran, imitate violent activity in all areas, etc. .

The Americans also have their own sawmill DeltaHavey (the most expensive launch rocket in the world today) - which the budget buys regularly, there is an even more expensive SLS, which very rigidly exceeded all conceivable and unimaginable volumes of consumed money, and also significantly increased the cost of launch. They spend tens of billions on what the Roscosmos actually do not do at all - scientific AMS. Well, for example, Perseverance and the first Martian UAV Ingenuity helicopter are flying in this window.

One James Webb telescope gobbled up $ 10 billion.

[kjhg]

Quote: donavi49

One James Webb telescope gobbled up $ 10 billion.

Let me object here. It's worth it. I have been following this program from the very beginning. This telescope is an outstanding achievement of mankind in the study of deep space. Compared with him, the legendary Hubble will look like from the century before last. Thanks to the Webb telescope, many new discoveries await us. The scientific community has invested enormous work in this project. And even Mask's plans against the backdrop of future discoveries of the James Webb telescope look like a trifle.

[Klingon]

Roscosmos is like an alien in nanotechnology, Comrade Chubi said: - A dead horse. But nag still something of course can, namely, work as a cabman. But that’s all! we do not (and will not have in the foreseeable future) AMC missions, let alone, Roscosmos has not been engaged in science for a long time. All that remains is the work of the cab driver (which, due to the success of the Mask, will give up positions for 35 million against 90 million for launching an astronaut, this will be a weighty argument for third countries not to fly to the alliance) and the military direction. ((

[Vadim237]

Well, Roscosmos would have something new exploded and fell where it did not go, but when you have a whole series of accidents on carriers that have been flying into space for half a century and the production of which has long been debugged with frequent defect in the production of drilled holes in manned space ships, hands-on workers who manage sensors turn over or damage the accelerating block when joining the constant theft of materials and solders from precious metals with the justification "They soldered with another solder because the storekeepers of Baba Zina were not at the workplace" - the words "Yura, we fucked everything" here are no longer suitable damages for tens of billions of rubles reputational losses and also an increase in the cost of insurance, which in turn leads to an increase in the cost of launches.

[Interlocutor]

Did something fall in 2019?

[Disant]

more frequent defects in the production of drilled holes in manned space ships hand-made workers who manage to turn the sensors over or damage the upper stage when joining the constant theft of materials and solders from precious metals with justification "They soldered with another solder because the storekeeper of Baba Zina was not at the workplace

why do you interfere with the handshake during assembly in one pile with a hole that appeared in space with the participation of man?

[Vadim237]

Yes, because one of these hand-shanks made this hole in the ship on the ground - since it is impossible to make it in orbit - they don’t take absolute sheep into cosmonauts to arrange such a thing. But at our enterprises light.

[Disant]

Well, you see - your version is against mine. But there was no hole on Earth. During the flight, it was not, and then it appeared. I'm right. What is your evidence?

[rocket757]

Who needs it, everyone understands everything. They just don’t want to scream about and for no reason. This is normal.

[Quadro]

Quote: demiurg

Somehow unfair.
Mask exploded, well, with whom it does not happen, this is normal.
At Roskosmos what happened, right there as a carbon copy: Jura, we all lost, drank.
Musk launched astronauts, glee turning into a storm of applause.
Roscosmos launched the astronauts, this is the legacy of the USSR (although in the new alliances from missiles of the USSR only the name).
And no one will remember (for obvious reasons) what amounts were spent on space in Russia and what in the USA.

And what did you want from hurray-amerophiles? They are pathetic hypocrites. Moreover, it is generally not clear where they are from. Mankurt without a tribe and clan. And the argument about the USSR is ridiculous. The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, the RSFSR (Russia) was the "main" in the USSR, most of the personnel were from there. But at the same time, now these amerophiles in every possible way separate Russia from the USSR, are they foreigners and yearn for a foreign state? This is what hypocrisy does.

[Angrybeard]

There was Korolev, and there was a dream, and there was a will, and there was a breakthrough to the stars. Rogozin is not about a breakthrough. But a convenient person, his own, generation Mutko and co. Now there will be 100 meetings on how to catch up with the bygone West. How could you sit still, do nothing, moreover, allow hackwork and theft in Soviet products, which nearly killed the astronauts at the start and destroyed more than one rocket. After 500 years, with pride, repeat the methane engine and after 30 put the first step in the tundra? And it’s good if, after 50 years, Rogozin’s chicks will still fly into space. Though in union.
Some rubbing from empty to empty and tales of a nuclear tug in space. Which every 5 years is shifted to the right by 10. I need a personality! Inconvenient to the authorities, bureaucrats, and even to the president, but who knows how to break through everything for the sake of goals and live the dream of the stars. Space and the bureaucrat are a killer combination!

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: Angrybeard

Now there will be 100 meetings on how to catch up with the bygone West.

We beg, we ask in chorus
Tell us how to be!
Really to us again
To grab everything and divide?

Quote: Angrybeard

How could one sit still, do nothing, moreover, allow hackwork and theft in Soviet products

There is no trace of Soviet products for a long time. These are all Russian products, mostly made using Russian technologies.

Quote: Angrybeard

And it’s good if, after 50 years, Rogozin’s chicks will still fly into space. Though in union.

The USSR began flying the Soyuz in 1967. And then he flew until the collapse. And no one asked the question, why are the Americans developing technologies, but we are not?

[A.TOR]

Need a personality!

The person will not help you, you need a different device of society, a different country

[7,62x54]

Trampoline works

[Thunderbringer]

Finally. And then 6 years since this joke Rogozin tried. Money invested as 3 countries such as Russia.

[Vadim237]

The money invested as Russia spent on one Angara - yes, only our rocket flew only two times in 16 years of operation.

[Thunderbringer]

Yes, perhaps more, and much more.

[exo]

What remains to Rogozin? The most developed country in the world. It is unlikely that anyone will be able to compete with it in the near future. And the point here is by no means in the printing press. We also have a Mint.

[Roman_vh]

Uncle are you? (WITH)
Compare Fed presses and anything else.
The reaction is expected. The sect of Mask witnesses calmed down after the launch was postponed. And now she joyfully rushed.

[military pensioner]

Forgive us, Sergey Pavlovich Korolev and Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin for not being able to preserve the primacy in space exploration and were at the margins of space exploration, thanks to defective managers, thieves and corrupt officials ...
Shame on the Roskosmos projectors and congratulations to Elon Musk and NASA on the return to manned space exploration!

[ccsr]

Quote: military pensioner

Forgive us, Sergey Pavlovich Korolev and Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin for not being able to preserve the primacy in space exploration and were at the margins of space exploration, thanks to defective managers, thieves and corrupt officials ...

And for the fact that the USSR was prosrali do not want to apologize to them, a military pensioner?
Or do you still think that the country is two times smaller than the USSR, should overtake it with the allocated funds for the space program? Do not tell - with a severed head, they do not cry through the hair. So it’s time for you to face the truth, so as not to build illusions about the possibilities of the socialist USSR and capitalist Russia — I tell you this as a military pensioner. So it will be more honest and objective ...

[Disant]

Shame on the Roscosmos searchlights

Explain what "projects" the money was invested in?

[Lontus]

It is not clear - why do some try to make fun of a trampoline?

Trampoline used from 2011 to 2020,
And it’ll work - there are contracts.

At least 9 years of work experience and dozens of flights without casualties - a very deserved and respected product - there were no manned space systems with such achievements outside Russia

Trampoline monument must be put!

[Avior]

It is necessary to set, but not the trampoline, but the Soviet spacecraft Soyuz, which in various modifications has been delivering people into space since the 60s of the last century.

[Vilensky]

It’s not worth congratulating your enemies on your success. Decent people will keep silent. During the Second World War, Sergey Korolev did not congratulate Werner Von Braun on the successful test of the FAU-2, although he recognized the successes of the gloomy German genius.
The current generation, exhausted by the Unified State Examination, by the vile Western culture and Hollywood vulgarity completely shifted the moral standard. Is it final? Call Wii!

[RUSS]

Quote: Vilensky

It’s not worth congratulating enemies on their success

And you write to Rogozin and show why he sends enemies to our ISS to our ISS.

[Kronos]

Is Russia having a war with the USA?

[Mikhalych]

The USA and Russia have a war.

[Kronos]

No, the USSR and the USA had a cold war; now Russia was just a scarecrow in the USA for ordinary people

[RUSS]

Quote: Mikhalych

The USA and Russia have a war.

Dense you

[Overlock]

Quote: Mikhalych

The USA and Russia have a war.

why then did Peskov Navka's wife buy an apartment in America? He is Putin’s closest circle

[domovoy doma_2]

Elon Musk inscribed himself in the history of American astronautics

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Previously, each flight into space was an EVENT !!! Now it’s become an advertisement or PR ... Sad. In pursuit of crowds for money, the latest romantics are dying in the world. And space is ROMANCE !!!! There is no romance now and mankind does not fly further 400 km ...

[Thunderbringer]

Nothing will fly. Unless war happens of course.
The normal process of technology development. Naturally, they should be improved. Media Mask looks more miniature, say, than competitors. Nevertheless, the task is still performing. This is a sign of more advanced technologies.
And yes, for humanity as a whole, such competition is only for the good.

[Botanist]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Break through

Then the Chinese will catch up

Isn’t it yet? Or should they "go to the second round"?

There are 11 Chinese teikunauts at the moment, including a woman ...

Fourth, most likely, the Indians will launch a person ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

check and mat, wool. next time they will fly in full and throw Russian things from the station)

Clear business, at you, now and Musk will be a native of Ukraine. Download it quietly, or something else will fall off, like the Crimea.
The real check and checkmate, for you, was in '14. And here is rivalry. Fine.

You really do not understand sarcasm?

[Pvi1206]

Musk is stubborn ... well done ... the current head of Roskosmos is only la-la ...

[Thunderbringer]

What they do there neither you nor I really know. Only from the media. And there, as you know, it’s the same as reading on the fence.
Musk believes that after 6 years he returned Rogozin's joke about the trampoline, why he laughed so merrily.
Well, in fairness, even if the Unions did not fly, Rogozin also has at least 6 years to respond to Mask's funny laugh.

[Vadim237]

Like the whole of Russian cosmonautics as a whole - the only thing else on the front end is the development of rocket engines and the creation of nuclear power propulsion systems.

[demos1111]

Yes, there is one territory that has its own, all that they got to sleep for free, has created an idol - Mask. So they pray. Like the poise on the beads. I'm talking about Ukrainians.
They have a holiday now. Well, congratulations.

[Fishery]

a holiday for humanity, but you as a Papuan can hide in the jungle or behind a fence, and throw feces at people)

[Quadro]

Quote: Tonya

a holiday for humanity, but you as a Papuan can hide in the jungle or behind a fence, and throw feces at people)

Oh yes, just a holiday. The "greatest" (as she believes) power suddenly returned after a 9-year hiatus into space, and even then into near-earth orbit, and was driven to the moon. Hypocrites as always.
Failure in the Russian Federation - drank, plundered, spit.
In the USA - it happens to everyone, it’s normal, it will be better.

[Fishery]

I don’t care who sawed that there))) I can buy Tesla for 30 pieces already, and it is already in almost every yard, but forgive me where the products are from rosna and other cuts)))) and so on.

[Botanist]

Quote: RUSS

With a maximum capacity of 7 people, only two astronauts took part in the Demo-2 mission.

Passenger planes, too, are not sent to test flights with full load ...
The Mask 7 people was calculated when landing on their own engines. NASA banned him (too revolutionary) and ordered to be like everyone else and parachute.
Moreover, the ship is not transferred (like the Union) to an even position before touching, but it enters the water at an angle, edge. Why - I don’t know, but it is precisely this method that makes landing unsafe for the bottom row of three seats.
As a result, today there is a four-seater capsule with a potential load of 7 people.

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: Botanikas

As a result, today there is a four-seater capsule with a potential load of 7 people.

And if migrant workers from 3 countries of the world, then you can put 15 people.

[Genry]

Quote: Botanikas

The Mask 7 people was calculated when landing on their own engines. NASA banned him (too revolutionary)

Nothing revolutionary. Just 7 people will litter all the toilets on the ISS and ...

[Vadim237]

On Dragon 2 and the Unions, the same toilets are.

[Fishery]

I was struck by the conditions in which the astronauts were, it's like a minibus and a Lexus))))

[smersh chek]

The USA and the EU print trillions of dollars, and they exist thanks to the machine tool of the Fed and the Central Bank of the EU, and the Westerners are allowed to live this way for the Yankees, the countries themselves, which turned their financial systems into an offshore liberal sieve, because of which the domestic industry is bent, and as a result, the national currency depreciates, which is replaced by wrappers of the West, which allows the West to print more wrappers.
so blaming the impoverished Roscosmos for lagging behind NASA is like blaming a naive gambler for losing to a rogue katala playing with speckled cards.
the reason for the reusability of missiles is to reduce costs, but in fact the cost of launching a Falcon of 155 million is 2 times more expensive than the Union, they did not launch Falcon more than 3 times, and the United States does not need it, they do not need to save, they printed 6 trillion in two weeks to to cover losses due to the coronovirus and stop the fall in stocks, for the United States, saving 50-70mn on startup is a zilch, it doesn’t mean anything, they print trillions, the main goal of the development is to raise the image of the USA so that the world continues to believe in the myth that the USA is the most technologically advanced a country, which means that the dollar is not in danger of depreciating, that means you don’t need to lose the buck and you can buy US debts (which have already reached 380 trillion) further, and thanks to this tale, the Fed can continue to print trillions of candy wrappers and live off the whole world, a stupid, trusting world, who does not understand that all their troubles and poverty are from the liberal (defenseless) model of the economy that the USA imposes on the whole world, the main parasites and beneficiaries of liberalism.

To end poverty and ruin, the Russian Federation must immediately switch over, return to the Stalinist model of the economy, in which the economy is protected (like a tank), from external and internal crooks, in which there is no class of parasite speculators, no currency exchanges, no offshore companies, no private banks and construction and financial pyramids, there are no raw materials and other oligarchs, there is no depreciation of the ruble and as a result of constant price increases, etc.

[Sklendarka]

Quote: smersh chek

The USA and the EU print trillions of dollars, and they exist thanks to the machine tool of the Fed and the Central Bank of the EU, and the Westerners are allowed to live this way for the Yankees, the countries themselves, which turned their financial systems into an offshore liberal sieve, because of which the domestic industry is bent, and as a result, the national currency depreciates, which is replaced by wrappers of the West, which allows the West to print more wrappers.
so blaming the impoverished Roscosmos for lagging behind NASA is like blaming a naive gambler for losing to a rogue katala playing with speckled cards.
the reason for the reusability of missiles is to reduce costs, but in fact the cost of launching a Falcon of 155 million is 2 times more expensive than the Union, they did not launch Falcon more than 3 times, and the United States does not need it, they do not need to save, they printed 6 trillion in two weeks to to cover losses due to the coronovirus and stop the fall in stocks, for the United States, saving 50-70mn on startup is a zilch, it doesn’t mean anything, they print trillions, the main goal of the development is to raise the image of the USA so that the world continues to believe in the myth that the USA is the most technologically advanced a country, which means that the dollar is not in danger of depreciating, that means you don’t need to lose the buck and you can buy US debts (which have already reached 380 trillion) further, and thanks to this tale, the Fed can continue to print trillions of candy wrappers and live off the whole world, a stupid, trusting world, who does not understand that all their troubles and poverty are from the liberal (defenseless) model of the economy that the USA imposes on the whole world, the main parasites and beneficiaries of liberalism.

To end poverty and ruin, the Russian Federation must immediately switch over, return to the Stalinist model of the economy, in which the economy is protected (like a tank), from external and internal crooks, in which there is no class of parasite speculators, no currency exchanges, no offshore companies, no private banks and construction and financial pyramids, there are no raw materials and other oligarchs, there is no depreciation of the ruble and as a result of constant price increases, etc.

Amen...

[RUSS]

Quote: somsh chk

US and EU print trillions of dollars

But is it true that in the EU they print dollars?

[siberalt]

It is good that "Smersh Cheka" did not say where the yuan are printed. But nobody will talk about it yet!

[Disant]

yuan is printed in the country of Yuan, this is understandable. But isn’t their fresh amount regulated by the US Federal Reserve? By the way, the tornado correctly noted - !!! 6 trillion dollars the Fed drew themselves last month out of the blue, and you wonder

[Overlock]

Quote: somsh chk

US and EU print trillions of dollars, and exist thanks to the Fed and the Central Bank of the EU

By July 1, 2019, the value of Russia's gold reserve for the first time exceeded $ 100 billion, and the physical mass of gold reached 2207 tons. Gold accounts for 19% of all international reserves of the Russian Federation - 5th place in the world. And what from this?

[pereselenec]

Quote: somsh chk

US and EU print trillions of dollars

What prevents us from printing millions of rubles and financing our Mask?

P.S. Name the country in the EU printing dollars, please.

[Greenwood]

Spacious they have there.

[JonnyT]

This is very good news. Not a fan of the mask, but still my congratulations to the Mask, he still got his way.
I hope the fact of the appearance of a competitor in the delivery of man into orbit will push our drones in the Roskosmos leadership to work and look for new ways of space exploration

[RUSS]

Quote: JonnyT

I hope the fact of the appearance of a competitor in the delivery of man into orbit will push our drones in the Roskosmos leadership to work and look for new ways of space exploration

Yes, until the thunder strikes.
Maybe our truth will begin to work more actively.

[Oquzyurd]

"Maybe ours really will start to work more actively." This will not happen, because they knew in advance that "Musk will fly", but they did not undertake anything before, and after that they will not undertake anything. The industry is dying out, like other spheres in general. During the union, they entered the analogue age vigorously, developed and held on to the end, before the onset of the digital age, but missed the digital age, missed it thoroughly, so that navryatli already has a chance to compete, catch up, etc.

[Doctor]

Yes, until the thunder strikes.
Maybe our truth will begin to work more actively.

Cosmonaut Mikhail Kornienko named the plus for Russia from the successful launch of the manned spacecraft Crew Dragon by SpaceX Ilona Mask. He talked about him in an interview with URA.RU.

He explained that Russia has a serious competitor in the space industry, which will force Russian researchers to work harder and create better designs. In addition, if earlier "Roskosmos" earned on its monopoly on the delivery of astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) and "sat on the" needle "of the export of Americans to the ISS, who paid for it, now they will have to look for another source of income, added Kornienko ...

[Thunderbringer]

There is one popular saying among experts. "Don't say gop until you jump over."
All the same, let's wait for the end of this mission. And then another pair of similar ones.
We will not shout joyfully for now. Not because Musk is good or bad, but simply accepted.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Thunderbringer

There is one popular saying among experts. "Don't say gop until you jump over."
All the same, let's wait for the end of this mission. And then another pair of similar ones.
We will not shout joyfully for now. Not because Musk is good or bad, but simply accepted.

That's right, he may well still be thrown at landing. And then there will be no alternative to our Soyuz for another 10 years. Yes, of course, the striped ones also have a Starliner, but the desire to risk their precious lives again is unlikely to be.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thunderbringer

There is one popular saying among experts. "Don't say gop until you jump over."
All the same, let's wait for the end of this mission. And then another pair of similar ones.
We will not shout joyfully for now. Not because Musk is good or bad, but simply accepted.

What next tell? ))))) wait from the Mask of this or that, then we'll talk

[Thunderbringer]

Yes, where does it? I’m not a political waste, but about the real work of specialists.
And strangely enough, they are superstitious people. Probably because there is nothing 100% reliable.
It will turn out, well, well done. And next time it may not work.

[pereselenec]

Quote: JonnyT

This is very good news.

This is a verdict to the future of our cosmonautics, unfortunately ...

[smaug78]

Reading the comments I was once again convinced: there are two stupid categories of people, these are liberals and cheers-patriots. They are dumb because they don’t read documents, they will be replaced by PERSONAL POLITIZED OPINION. These categories differ from each other only in the color of their political preferences.
Moreover, the liberal is less dangerous, they can always be pressed to the nail. And here, and even with the initiative painted under patriotism, this is a problem. Moreover, it is important for the patriot that the neighbor would be worse ...

[Mikula]

At the conference, Elon Musk answered Rogozin's phrase about the "trampoline": "The trampoline works!"

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the next megabatute Starship.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

We are waiting for the next megabatute Starship.

Recently, one exploded, the other bent in the wind.

[Vadim237]

These were test benches - tanks with engines, but not ships and missiles, even in the experimental version. Spaceships and rockets are not being built in pure field.

[Quadro]

Quote: mikula

At the conference, Elon Musk answered Rogozin's phrase about the "trampoline": "The trampoline works!"

Looks like such a strong insult was that for 6 years she remembered.

[Klingon]

Quote: strelokmira

Shuttles in the technological form in which they were, in fact, turned out to be a dead end branch of astronautics

Is it that you justify cutting a snowstorm?)

no comrade by the way everything was correctly written by TC. Shuttle operation was very expensive, expensive and the launch system was not very reliable. It’s the same with Buran, but it was an ambitious and successful project of the USSR, even a demonstrator of technology and a symbol of prestige, but launching such a ship is very expensive. And Mr. Rogozin’s remarks about the revival of the program look like an attempt by a drowning man to grab hold of a straw. (and where is Billy's money?)
It was necessary at the time not to close another project, I mean Spiral. - A small spacecraft could be launched on low-cost rockets and in various configurations

[Thunderbringer]

Do not you think that straining the whole country for the sake of prestige only (because even then it was clear to everyone that this is extremely expensive and disadvantageous) seems a little silly?
This is me about the "Buran + Energy" project. How much has been written about it then and now, and not at all by opponents of socialism.

[Bshkaus]

I sincerely sympathize with the couch patriots, who for many years ridiculed the Americans and giggled at the stupid jokes about the trampoline that Rogozin made.
almost 10 years is a sufficient period for certain views to strengthen and ossify in the mentality.
A successful launch of the dragon is like hitting a car against a concrete wall at great speed: no one is going anywhere, and his head is still flying by inertia to meet the steering rack.
It will be hard for you, but you still need to survive this painful period.
I sincerely congratulate the Americans on the fact that they managed to launch the spacecraft at a completely new level of technology used - this is truly a HUGE work.

[slipped]

Quote: Bshkaus

I sincerely sympathize with the couch patriots, who for many years ridiculed the Americans and giggled at stupid jokes about the trampoline,

Over the long flying, it constantly warped you and couldn’t even eat?

Quote: Bshkaus

A successful launch of a dragon is like hitting a car against a concrete wall at great speed: no one is going anywhere,

Did you have an accident? I sympathize, but we have already paid for the Soyuz MS-17.

Quote: Bshkaus

It will be hard for you, but you still need to survive this painful period.

".... But how is it that you should be responsible for my" painful period "" for many years. "" "- I added you ... your unspoken

Quote: Bshkaus

I sincerely congratulate the Americans on the fact that they managed to launch the spacecraft at a completely new level of technology used - this is truly a HUGE work.

That was what I needed to say. True, these technologies are worse than they were before. But yes, no difference.

[16112014nk]

When and where will Rogozin begin to build another spaceport with his own trampoline? Will there be enough money in the budget for this construction?

[Thunderbringer]

If he had built without money, then yes. And with the money any couch expert will do. Just give me the money.

[Maxwrx]

Success in space of any country is the success of all mankind. Knowledge is somehow transferred, copied, etc. Like it or not, this is a ship of a completely new generation in many ways. The Chinese have already launched a similar one without a crew this spring.

Musk well done, the Americans will finally be able to launch a new ship independently from their territory. The same Boeing has not yet completed the task. Yes, for the money that they spent only on the development of manned ships, it was possible for decades to fly on unions. And the cost per seat on ships is still higher than on the union. So the benefits to NASA are not here. But the excess profit will get Musk. The ship is reusable, and after a manned flight will be used as a truck. Missiles are also reusable. According to my calculations, its real cost is about 100 million, while 450 million are taken for a flight.

[Falcon5555]

Yeah... Pasta. And the ship is a small head on the tip. But... it flew beautifully.

[Thunderbringer]

It has only 2 side steps in one row with the main one. And in the video they showed it from the side.
Therefore the impression is of pasta.
But yes, it took off quite gracefully. And the steps landed.

[Falcon5555]

It has only 2 side steps in one row with the main one. And in the video they showed it from the side.

It, of course, has one first stage without side ones; and one second above the first.

[Vladislava_I]

It’s sad that VO is turning into a dominance of vegetables, whining odes to this junkie from South Africa) I thought, well, maybe it’ll work out here at least? No, the clowns came here too with their snotty congratulations. They post an abundance of pictures from Russophobic public pages like Stalingulag, what a fucking delight I want to say.
What's next? Will I read Navalny's program here? Or Babchenko's blog?
About the launch. I didn't watch this crap and I don't regret it. What to look at anyway? The dude, with billions of subsidies and support from NASA, was still able to do what we do several times a year? I don’t see any congratulations from the Enemies on this occasion! And yes, Musk works for the USA, our enemy. And these missiles can drop not only astronauts on your clowns’ heads....

[Kronos]

When the USSR launched Gagarin into space in many countries, including the USA itself, people rejoiced because it was a step for the development of people, and now the success of the Americans as a whole deserves respect

[Vladislava_I]

Quote: Bshkaus

I sincerely sympathize with the couch patriots, who for many years ridiculed the Americans and giggled at the stupid jokes about the trampoline that Rogozin made.
almost 10 years is a sufficient period for certain views to strengthen and ossify in the mentality.
A successful launch of the dragon is like hitting a car against a concrete wall at great speed: no one is going anywhere, and his head is still flying by inertia to meet the steering rack.
It will be hard for you, but you still need to survive this painful period.
I sincerely congratulate the Americans on the fact that they managed to launch the spacecraft at a completely new level of technology used - this is truly a HUGE work.

Hold the minus and whine to Navalny, there’s a bunch of people like you there. Haven't Mask's feet been licked yet?

[RUSS]

What kind of plague did you register on the site? Another terry leavened patriot?

[Chever]

What kind of plague did you register on the site? Another terry leavened patriot?

There are plenty of these fairy-tale characters everywhere... Why should we be surprised at their appearance here? The theme of the site seems to be fertile ground for such things))

[Thunderbringer]

What, you don’t like the presence of Russian patriots on the Russian website?
Guys, haven't you been playing around with jumping on the squares?

[Chever]

Let them say what they want. But this does not mean that someone cannot object to someone. And as for “jumping on squares”, we want to jump))

[Vladislava_I]

Quote: JonnyT

This is very good news. Not a fan of the mask, but still my congratulations to the Mask, he still got his way.
I hope the fact of the appearance of a competitor in the delivery of man into orbit will push our drones in the Roskosmos leadership to work and look for new ways of space exploration

Oh, what a great guy Elon is, how did he do it all on his own? Oh, I forgot, did billions of subsidies and NASA patronage help the GENIUS at least a little or not?

[Vladislava_I]

Quote: Tonya

a holiday for humanity, but you as a Papuan can hide in the jungle or behind a fence, and throw feces at people)

You've got the wrong public page! Babchenko and Navalny fans of Elon are not here!

[Tneburashka]

I watched an interview with an academician a long time ago, and even then he said that we are going into a trap, that the Americans are using our rockets not because they are stupid, but because they have devoted all their efforts to the development of new space technologies, and our capacities are loaded and we are in we will lose the future, this is our first bell, if things continue like this, we will be jumping on trampolines and the Americans will be in space Ferraris

[Vadim237]

First, take an interest in who all of NASA works for in the United States and how much money it has allocated from the total budget to Musk’s office over the past 12 years - then fantasize.

[Mikhalych]

I don’t understand those who shit on Russia. You're shitting on yourself. In the USSR, spacecraft were developed and produced by graduates of the SOVIET school - the heiress of the IMPERIAL school. In Russia, lapdogs who graduate from the BOLOGNA bursa can do nothing but bark. It’s bad when accountants and managers run everything in a country.

[Interlocutor]

It’s bad when accountants and managers run everything in a country.

They rule the whole world.

[dima314]

Quote: alexmach

The Americans carried tons of rock from the Moon. At space stations, they are also conducting experiments to create new materials in zero gravity, and have been doing them for 40 years.

- at least rack your brains and look for how many rocks the Americans brought from the Moon). There it was 50-60 kg in just 3 times) And the results of experiments in orbit are generally funny and can be easily transported even in the Soyuz. The current Dragon also carries a certain amount and this is enough to go all the way. There was once a crazy idea to remove other people's satellites from orbit, but this is complete nonsense and no one did it. If they were filming, but why would they, then they could have installed a grenade there so that it would explode when trying to remove it, and all fantasies would immediately end.

[Raven 95]

I don’t see any particular excitement about the launch of a new ship. Well done, they created a new ship to provide old functions. This is not a breakthrough or a global event. The usual routine.

[Old26]

Quote: Herrr

Not minus because you decently amused me with a half-century American vacation.
As for the shuttles, despite the extreme high cost of this project, we must give them their due - to return objects from the orbit weighing up to 14,5 tons except for them, no transport system is still capable of it. Not so stupid and dead-end. And in order not to ruin the crews, it was not necessary to drive them to exhaustion. Each machine has a strictly limited resource, alas and ah.

The branch is certainly not a dead end, but the system did not live up to expectations. Initially, an extremely short inter-flight period and a fleet of ships were planned, each of which was supposed to make up to 100 sorties. Then, according to their calculations, the price per kilogram of cargo would be cheaper than that of a disposable carrier....
But it didn’t work out. As a result, the inter-flight cycle was long, and accordingly, the number of launches was much less than planned - and as a result, the cost was high...

Quote: dima314

but they killed two buses with crews! Why and for what purpose in the age of automation do we need crowds in space except for tourism? And how much did this return from outer space cost and most importantly: who needs it? !!! Does it make sense to remove the cargo and return it back nafig?

Well, no one can guarantee that this would not happen to our Burans. The system was not designed to save the crew, especially if there were so many of them in certain situations. And casualties during space flights - alas, this cannot yet be avoided. We also had two disasters with the death of the crew. And only the fact that one was generally a test, and the second could carry a crew of only 3 people, the number of casualties we have is less...
As for the return. Who needs this, you ask? Read about the Hubble telescope. If something goes wrong there are two ways. Should we spit and write off this tool and start a new, equally expensive one, or pick up the truck, place it in the arrester, lower it to the ground, repair it and start it again? Which option do you prefer?

Quote: dima314

somehow, without studying the devices returned from space, the entire world cosmonautics has lived for 60 years, maybe it will live so much longer)

And 63 years ago there were no satellites. The television signal coverage was only in line of sight. Did you manage without TV broadcasting satellites? And even earlier they managed without passenger planes. If you follow your logic, then progress is not needed. For what? After all, we managed without it. 30 years ago there were 0,000 computers in people's homes. And they had less RAM and hard drive than each of us has on our phones now. We managed without computers. They typed, in particular, on a typewriter... And at one time they did without TV....

Quote: Ros 56

What will they use to return, or will Musk send one rocket after them? fellow Before you enter, think about how to get out. Doesn't it give you any ideas?

Actually on the Dragon. What else should they return on???

[Doctor]

The branch is certainly not a dead end, but the system did not live up to expectations.

As long as the rocket is a barrel of kerosene and oxygen, it will be so.
But for the next 50 years they will provide for themselves.

1. Maintaining the orbital constellation.
2. Maintenance and launch of new ISS blocks.
3. Space tourism. It’s not for nothing that Dragon is a 7-seater.
4. Moon (moderate).
5. AMS for deep space.
6. Space combat platforms.
...

[Vadim237]

The Buranov and Shuttle branch has completed the further development of astronautics - fully reusable rockets, manned spacecraft, aerospace aircraft and space tugs based on nuclear powered propulsion systems.

[Comrade]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I do not even want to recall the "statements of Rogozin"

But the current triumphs remembered

Brydenstein replied that he had not talked with Rogozin yet, but saw his congratulations from NASA and SpaceX and the statement that this is an important day not only for Americans, but also for Russians and “they believe in cooperation,” the head of NASA expressed confidence that it will remain strong. ” “Trampoline works”Musk said after that and laughed. Brydenstein laughed next, and Musk added: “This is an internal joke,” and laughed again.

yeah, that's funny

[UserGun]

The most important feature of this sad event for the Russian Federation and, alas, for the entire Putinonomics, is that some private company with a staff of 8000 a man bent over with cancer first of all by Rocosmos with his staff in 189 500!!! man.))) Well, and other government agencies, both in the USA and in other countries.
No matter how many people would like to make excuses, but alas, the excuses are the most ridiculous.

[Break through]

The trick is that the company is not private, but a branch of Nasa. This fake has already been exposed. Roscosmos has been sending people for many years. And the Americans took a break for 10 years. I don’t think it’s worth explaining who bent who.

[UserGun]

As I wrote above:

Quote: UserGun

the excuses are ridiculous.

[RUSS]

Quote: Break through

congratulate

Not only will Americans now fly much less frequently on the Soyuz, but soon the United States will also abandon our RD-181 engines, and this is just the beginning!

[Thunderbringer]

So I understand that for the thousandth time it is useless to remind about who actually finances it and in what volume.

[UserGun]

The fact that you crow 100500 times that Roskomos is good, with its rarities and a horde of watery hands, will not become cheaper for the end client))) It doesn’t matter at all who pays))) It’s important how efficiently they work.

"The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) paid Roscosmos a total of $ 3,9 billion. This is stated in the report of NASA Inspector General Paul Martin published on November 15."

Apparently, this dough was not enough for Roskomos))) Greed and cheap show-offs are higher than purposefulness))) And who pays here and who gets the contract, of course there is a difference. SpaceX will pay 55 million $ per seat, on average, (with a full load of 7 seats - Xnumx Lyamov) instead of 90 lyams. ))) Interestingly:

"In the period from 2006 to 2020, the cost of a seat for Western partners on Soyuz increased from 21,3 million to 90 million"

As a result, the loot won over the stupid greed and mediocrity of the state office)))) With a staff, the crowd is ten times larger. I congratulate you on this.

[Chever]

God, what pain, the Vatashizoids are on fire. Guys, stop this clownery already with “Enemies, enemies everywhere! Don’t congratulate the enemy!!”, otherwise it’s not funny anymore... And the amers can only be praised for the successful launch

[Kronos]

You are no better than their bourgeois

[Chever]

Not “them”, but you))

[Thunderbringer]

When will you launch your newly-born ship to the stars?

[Chever]

And I’m not a “puppy-merly”, I’m from here. And I wanted to sneeze, do you believe me? You can consider me whoever you want. She's so paranoid))

[UserGun]

Quote: Old26

The branch is certainly not a dead end, but the system did not live up to expectations.

I agree. By the way, the unmanned branch of this branch, X37, is still flying and very successful.

[Gogia]

I wonder how our trampoline specialist feels there?

[Thunderbringer]

I'm sure he feels great. He has no time to read the opuses and cries of know-it-all half-educated people.
It's so funny. They’ll gather in their kitchen, or on their website, and let’s make a loud fire. And it seems to them that everyone, well, literally everyone around them thinks so, and they are, of course, the smartest.
Both those and others. What kind of Mask and what kind of Rogozin.

[evgenii67]

Quote: Vladislav_I

But what’s more funny is that the drug-smoking dwarf remembered these words and for 6 years hatched a plan for revenge on Rogozin))) Apparently the words hurt the African)))

Revenge is a dish best served cold. It’s better to be a “drug-smoking dwarf” and at the same time a pro in your field than to be a mediocre buffoon in a high position.

[Old26]

Quote: dima314

- at least rack your brains and look for how many rocks the Americans brought from the Moon). There it was 50-60 kg in just 3 times)

Actually, about 450 kg EMNIP

Quote: Tneburashka

I watched an interview with an academician a long time ago, and even then he said that we are going into a trap, that the Americans are using our rockets not because they are stupid, but because they have devoted all their efforts to the development of new space technologies, and our capacities are loaded and we are in we will lose the future, this is our first bell, if things continue like this, we will be jumping on trampolines and the Americans will be in space Ferraris

I don’t know, we watched the same interview, Andrey, but I think it’s the same. Gave an interview to EMNIP Katorgin. The meaning was something like this. The Americans, having spent approximately 15-20 billion dollars and 1-2 years of time, can create and test their own engine for carriers intended for manned flights. But there is another move. Spend 10 years and about 3-5 billion and create the same engine. And all these 10 years, they have been buying engines and seats on ships from Russia. It will be cheaper. Which is essentially what they did. And they spent this time to create, among other things. and methane engines, which we are only talking about, but have not yet made

Quote: Arzt

The branch is certainly not a dead end, but the system did not live up to expectations.

As long as the rocket is a barrel of kerosene and oxygen, it will be so...

So far there is no other option other than a barrel with kerosene and oxygen. And the “space shuttle” system did not justify itself in what I wrote. Long inter-flight cycle (due to the implemented thermal protection method). It follows that the cycle increases, and the number of flights of each ship decreases. According to the plan, the fleet of 4 shuttles was supposed to make 400 flights. This resulted in a total of 135 flights. All this resulted in a very high launch price.

[A.TOR]

This is what progress looks like. The rest is words

[Glue]

Quote: A.TOR

This is what progress looks like. The rest is words

Well, let's cancel our rockets...let the United States fly to the ISS themselves!
It will be a panic and a rescue operation..

[slipped]

Quote: A.TOR

This is what progress looks like. The rest is words

This is regression. Repeat what has already been done before. Apollo flew to Skylab back in the 70s.

[ccsr]

Quote: slipped

This is regression. Repeat what has already been done before. Apollo flew to Skylab back in the 70s.

I think that most of those writing about this have not heard anything at all. True, I looked at photographs from Skylab, when one astronaut “stands” on the head of another, and somehow I had doubts whether everything was as the Americans described.

[NF68]

A dangerous call for Roscosmos.

[Glue]

Quote: NF68

A dangerous call for Roscosmos.

Are you so sure? Stop working for the USA already. Well, they launched Pokemon and, most interestingly, they paid for the launch of theirs. ON OUR ROCKETS for five years! And most importantly, they don’t forget to introduce sanctions... Well done!

[NF68]

Quote: Lepilo

Quote: NF68

A dangerous call for Roscosmos.

Are you so sure? Stop working for the USA already. Well, they launched Pokemon and, most interestingly, they paid for the launch of theirs. ON OUR ROCKETS for five years! And most importantly, they don’t forget to introduce sanctions... Well done!

I’m not entirely sure, but, apparently, everything is going to the point that things in space in the United States are not so bad.

[RUSS]

Quote: NF68

A dangerous call for Roscosmos.

Roscosmos wanted to send Russian cosmonauts to the International Space Station (ISS) using the Crew Dragon spacecraft of Elon Musk’s private company SpaceX. The executive director of the state corporation for manned space programs, Sergei Krikalev, told the publication Podem.

According to him, this idea is being discussed at the working level, but he is not yet ready to disclose the details of the negotiations.

Crew Dragon must be certified to send Russian cosmonauts. “To certify ships, we need to collect the number of flights. This is not a very large number. We just have to be sure that they fly on time and reliably,” Krikalev explained.

[Shahno]

In principle, a good idea.... To continue, so to speak, what was started in the time of Apollo.

[ccsr]

Quote: RUSS

According to him, this idea is being discussed at the working level, but he is not yet ready to disclose the details of the negotiations.

It is not surprising that they were considered at the working level, because this could be a backup option for the emergency evacuation of our astronauts.

Quote: RUSS

We just have to be sure that they fly on time and reliably,” Krikalev explained.

Reliability in space technology has always been our priority - we are not Americans who sent astronauts to the Moon without a full cycle of checking the entire system.

[Gogia]

Quote: Dikson

the old Unions are flying! In them, literally shoulder to shoulder, with their knees securely pressed to their cheeks, as in “Zaporozhets”, selflessly loving the Motherland, our people conquer outer space.. But our people have no use for luxury.. Like “extra” horsepower in engines, which we never learned how to do....

Yes exactly. And they press the ancient buttons with a duralumin pointer... Like under Brezhnev. Just great. Today Krikolev was shown on TV. There was melancholy splashing in his eyes - black and dull...

[dima314]

Quote: Piramidon

I agree, “shuttles” are needed and, it seems, we are already talking about resuming a project of something like “Buran”.

- You can talk a lot, but actually opening financing is completely different. And especially since Rogozin said that “we can” repeat “Buran”, this is like many other things... we can, theoretically, but practically we don’t want to)) No money and no competencies) The Russian cosmonautics development program does not include the construction of shuttles

[dima314]

Quote: Old26

Actually, about 450 kg EMNIP

- more precisely 380 kg, and some say 390, but definitely not tons))

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladislav_I

Frigidity is sad.

You're a loser, you're in the wrong place)))

Based on your style, you are clearly not a woman, but it seems that you are not a man either
Who are you ? Open up.

[dima314]

Quote: Gritsa

Because unlike Musk, who is obsessed with ideas, we have Rogozin, who is obsessed with cutting money.

- Musk’s ideas are all about money and fame, and for this you need a cut. What’s in Rogozin’s head, God knows, something quite earthly, I think)... It’s clear that Rogozin is not the creator of Russian cosmonautics, but most importantly, those who distribute funds rule the country, are not interested in space, and there’s not a single Musk here and especially Rogozin will not change anything. First, the will of the real authorities is needed, and then the executor. Rogozin is a performer and not the best. Besides, manned space flight is of no use except prestige. I have already written that this is reminiscent of an aerobatic team on heavy fighters, spectacular, prestigious, but useless.

[Selevc]

- Musk’s ideas are all about money and fame

Musk's ideas are based on the stupidity of the crowd... The main merit of Roscosmos is that despite the collapse of the USSR and the turbulent 90s, in modern Russia there is space as such and rockets are launched!!! This is simply phenomenal!!! I doubt very much that this is possible in any other country in the world!!!

Everyone is talking about the entry of business and private capital into space, but for some reason everyone is silent about the fact that private business always, very reluctantly, gives money for fundamental space research!!! Therefore, private spaceships are all great, but only in Earth’s orbit, which was mastered a long time ago...

It would be more correct to call Musk's space projects government projects with elements of private investment!!! But the noise and PR are for the whole world!!!

[pereselenec]

Quote: Selevc

Musk's ideas are based on the stupidity of the crowd... The main merit of Roscosmos is that despite the collapse of the USSR and the dashing 90s, in modern Russia there is space as such and rockets are launched!!! This is simply phenomenal!!! I doubt very much that this is possible in any other country in the world!!!

Duck in the 90s, the United States pulled out Russian space after the collapse of the union on its orders.

[NordUral]

At the same time, Brydenstein noted that while he did not have a conversation with the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, but he was “familiar with his statements”.

It’s interesting, what “statements” did he mean?

[Errr]

Apparently about trampolines.

[NordUral]

But this “thinness” interested me, but they say that it is a heavy carrier. What kind of engines are there?

[Errr]

The first stage contains nine Merlins (Merlin 1D+) with a thrust of 84,5 tons at sea level.

[NordUral]

Thanks for the information, Errr! Her torch is beautiful.

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Quote: NordUral

Thanks for the information, Errr! Her torch is beautiful.

The present and future of SpaceX rockets - Merlin 1D (left) and Raptor engines

[dima314]

Quote: borberd

And when the neighbor bought himself a brand new Mercedes, the daughter suddenly became offended and rushed to criticize the neighbor’s purchase

---- who do you mean?) Rogozin did not scold anyone, but 6 years ago he spoke in response to Amer’s sanctions. Now everyone in Roscosmos is reacting correctly. Excuse me for the fact that there is no enthusiasm... such a flight can no longer surprise). The Americans inflated their achievement, which is considered a standard procedure in Russia, China, and once in both the USA and the USSR. Well, the members of the Ilonova sect piss with boiling water from happiness and it’s funny.

[domovoy doma_2]

judging by the number of comments, this is probably the main news for the entire existence of this site.

[dima314]

Quote: Angrybeard

There was Korolev, and there was a dream, and there was a will, and there was a breakthrough to the stars.

- back then there was still the USSR and Khrushchev, who idolized rocket technology, and subsequent leaders also invested resources in space. Now there is half of the USSR in which the oligarchs play the main role, but they don’t need space and they lay out pipes to quickly sell the people’s property.

[TatarinSSSR]

I won’t make fun of the chatterbox Rogozin; he should be in a very bad moral state right now. And I sincerely congratulate the Americans on their successful launch, flight, and docking! The achievement is peaceful, well done!

[georggy]

Chief of skeet and trampolines. Specialist.

[Lontus]

from the newspaper "Vestnik Liberala".

The Russian government has screwed up again

1.06.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX Yesterday was a terrible day, full of pathos and hypocrisy. The successful docking of the Russian Trumpolainer spacecraft to the international space station was passed off as something remarkable. All day long, crowds of patriots staged a space frenzy.

Gross mistakes by our government have already led to a severe crisis in the space industry 9 years ago. Then we curtailed the use of our mediocre Energia-Buran system, completely left without methods of delivering humans into space. All this time, the only way to deliver our cosmonauts was the United States with its ingenious Apollo spacecraft, which will not become obsolete for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Meanwhile, it is worth reminding our corrupt authorities that they promised the launch back in 2016, so the plans were severely violated. For the entire time of our shameful use of Apollos, in total, almost a trillion rubles were stolen from the Russian budget for launches! It would be much better and cheaper to continue using Apollo. As usual, no criminal cases will be filed.

But this is only the tip of the iceberg of all the madness of the Russian government. While a riot of unrest is raging across the country due to poverty, cars and houses are being burnt, shops are being looted, funds are being spent on the space program. Instead of supporting small and medium-sized businesses, money is burned in the craziest way.

Why do we need manned space at such a price? A rhetorical question...

Stepan Vseobosratov

[Irbenwolf]

Well... to each his own! For the Americans, Musk, and for us, Rogozin. The score will even out when they start imprisoning people for non-payment of taxes on stolen money, as they did with Al Capone in the 20th century.

[Patriot228]

Now Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin is working at exhaustion, while Elon Musk is forced to pay crazy amounts of money to engineers, our people rely solely on patriotism and the idea to create equally competitive products. In addition, in our industry there are many retired military personnel who also receive a pension, so theoretically, we can literally get competitive products for pennies.

[Slippery]

Quote: Patriot228

Now Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin is working at exhaustion, while Elon Musk is forced to pay crazy amounts of money to engineers, our people rely solely on patriotism and the idea to create equally competitive products. In addition, in our industry there are many retired military personnel who also receive a pension, so theoretically, we can literally get competitive products for pennies.

"FORDED" to pay money to engineers? With such theses you can fly high along the party line. Patriot eff.

[Alex TAHKUCT-T3488 Skufov]

Ahahaha! The Americans forgot how their shuttles burned like matches! It's only a matter of time! And in general, given the tiredness of the metal, all these works of his are nothing more than a sham!, the Americans are simply ready to waste a lot of money just to spoil RUSSIA! Mask has a much higher startup cost since employees receive more than 10 thousand dollars a month, when, like us, they work not for pieces of paper, but for an idea

[Alex TAHKUCT-T3488 Skufov]

It’s no secret that our education system after the collapse of the Country in 91 is still not in the best shape, so let them gain knowledge, they still have to manage the country. As for real estate, well, some have a dacha in Barvikha, some in Sochi, some in the CRIMEA, and some in France. So what? It’s not prohibited by law, they can afford it.

[Patriot228]

Quote: Slippery

But what about the children studying and the lack of activity of our “elite” students with the enemy? Shall we keep silent about this? That's right, no one bites the hand that feeds. Hypocrisy and public abuse, this is the image of a modern patriot of the Russian Federation.
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You know. It's not that bad. If they stayed here they would have to be housed somewhere. It would be better if there was a festival there. If they give you such a leader, you will howl like a wolf; of course, we still have shortcomings.

[Patriot228]

What worries me most is the talk about joint projects with NASA and Elon Musk. We have already been thrown out of one such project! They used us as taxi drivers and goodbye. How many scientists from the USSR have already gone abroad and took part in the creation of Elon Musk’s ship, so they correctly say that it was created our specialists. There were no fools in the USSR who did not let scientific personnel leave the country. Now study at state expense, get treatment at state expense, visit various sanatoriums and dispensaries through the trade union, three years of graduate school are free, then after university, industry veterans train you on real projects, and once you succumb to the propaganda about fabulous wealth, you go to Elon Musk to build ships , but who will repay the debt to the homeland? Here, either sectoral regulations must be introduced, or the departure of young engineers from the country must be limited, at least for ten years, otherwise everyone will run away and what are we going to do, draw on drawing boards, we need decisive measures! First of all, we need to stop the outflow of IT specialists. In some places, you can hold them with rubles, it’s such a young business, you want to at least sometimes go to a cafe and go dancing, but in some places you have to keep them by force. Introduce specialties that are not allowed to travel abroad, if you want to study for free to become a computer specialist, be kind enough, my friend, to walk through your own checkpoint for 5 years, serve time in a design bureau or at a factory. I remember how in the 90s, in order to retain personnel at defense enterprises, they were given small plots for vegetable gardens so that people could feed themselves. Now it is also possible to distribute plots of land so that people can build summer cottages there and not be tempted by the different Americas and Europe.

[Alex TAHKUCT-T3488 Skufov]

In general, you don’t need a lot of intelligence to spend a mountain of cut-up paper on a mask, but try riveting rockets for the minimum wage! Only OURS are capable of this!!

[strapon]

If there was a minimum wage like in Ukraine, then they would rivet it. But in Russia the minimum wage is lower than in Square.