Why did Hitler visit the Latvian Malnava on July 21, 1941: from the history of World War II

Why did Hitler visit the Latvian Malnava on July 21, 1941: from the history of World War II

Any information related to the trips of the head of Nazi Germany to the Soviet territories occupied during the initial period of the Great Patriotic War is usually surrounded by a huge number of speculations and versions, which sometimes can be difficult to find out for truth. This applies to the fullest extent to Hitler's first visit to the occupied territory, which he carried out literally a month after the treacherous attack on the USSR. What did he forget in Malnava?


Initially, the talk about the fact that on July 21, 1941 Adolf Hitler spent some time on the territory of the Malnava estate, located on the territory of present-day Latvia, was considered by most serious historians as gossip. Yes, it was in the building of this estate, where an agricultural school was located before the war, during the week the headquarters of the Army Group Sever, headed by Field Marshal Wilhelm von Leeb, were headquartered. Yes, as far as is known, the head of the Third Reich made around this time “inspection trips” to the Eastern Front. But was he in Malnava?

Doubts dispelled several testimonies: records found in the diaries of one of Hitler's adjutants, as well as in a special album by the German General Staff, which clearly indicated the time and place of the visit, and even had a corresponding photo. Living witnesses were also found, who in 1941 were children who studied at the Malnava Agricultural School and saw with their own eyes what was happening there on July 21. The final argument was the newsreels found in the archives, in which the Nazi leader’s car drives through the gate, which is completely identical to the entrance to the Malnava estate. The entry has been preserved to date.

So, Adolf Hitler really visited that territory of Latvia that day, in essence, already in the rear of the Wehrmacht advancing to the east. The flight from Germany was carried out on a special military transport "Junkers", accompanied by the same exact reserve aircraft and "Messerschmitts" cover. To move Hitler with his usual comfort and pomp even special special six-wheel Mercedes cars were delivered. Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel and a whole group of "court" photographers and newsreels accompanied the chief Nazi on a trip.


Archival photo posted in the Latvian press. Meeting in Malnava July 21, 1941

However, why did Hitler choose these places and times? After all, since June 22, fierce hostilities have been waged, as we know, from the Barents to the Black Sea, and almost everywhere did the Nazi troops move forward, albeit not as fast as envisioned by the Barbarossa plan? Wouldn’t it be more logical to expect the Führer to appear somewhere in the Moscow direction, at the headquarters of Army Group Center?

The thing is that in July 1941 Moscow was not Hitler's main goal, priority in the war. The south and south-east of Ukraine, with their industrial and agricultural areas, the oil-bearing Caucasus, the Volga region, the Don - that’s where he aimed, trying to capture these regions in the first place.

The capture of Leningrad played a special place in Hitler’s cannibalistic plans. In his deep conviction, the occupation and subsequent destruction of this city, the “cradle of the revolution," the cultural capital of Russia, in addition to resolving a number of military-strategic issues, would have had a tremendous demoralizing effect on the enemy. There is no doubt that on July 21 he arrived at Leeb’s headquarters precisely in order to “accelerate” the attack on Leningrad and find out why, in his opinion, the North group did not advance enough.

According to the recollections of witnesses at the headquarters of the heavy conversation, Hitler expressed his extreme dissatisfaction with the actions of the inspected group of forces and stated that it “could not really concentrate” and “did everything wrong” in general. The Führer reacted very sharply to the Field Marshal’s attempts to bring the distinguished guest to the real state of affairs, including problems with supplying the troops with everything necessary, saying goodbye to Leeb that, according to him, the Soviet military leaders who had left the Baltic states “were all shot ". More than a transparent hint ... However, the Field Marshal escaped with only removal from command at the end of 1941, and in 1945 with a “slight fright” - he was lucky to surrender to the Americans.

Leaving Malnava, Hitler was in a very bad mood. He even pointedly refused to participate in breakfast with the officers and generals of the headquarters, which had already been laid in the local dining room. Could Hitler in those hot days of the summer of 1941 begin to realize the full depth of the abyss into which he rushed headlong, dragging an army and a country behind him? Quite. After all, the resistance that the Red Army provided could not but puzzle the enemy.

The trip did not go without consequences - literally the next day Hitler would sign an addition to OKW directive No. 33, according to which the 3rd Army would be transferred to the disposal of Army Group Sever to “cover its right flank and encircle Leningrad” tank group shot from the central (Moscow) direction. Still raving about conquest, the leader of Nazi Germany will make one mistake after another.
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  1. svp67 26 May 2020 12: 55 New
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    Why did Hitler visit the Latvian Malnava on July 21, 1941?
    What for? “Accelerate to give” ... a month of war has passed, but Stalin still has not surrendered
    1. Uncle lee 26 May 2020 12: 59 New
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      Leaving Malnava, Hitler was in a very bad mood.
      Just from this ... Stalin did not give up, the Red Army is worth a death!
    2. vladcub 26 May 2020 17: 19 New
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      Just arrived, the Pendels pressed and didn’t even want to have dinner. Probably Leeb ruined his apit
  2. mark1 26 May 2020 13: 11 New
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    [quoteThe whole point is that in July 1941 Moscow was not Hitler's main goal, priority in the war. The south and south-east of Ukraine, with their industrial and agricultural regions, the oil-bearing Caucasus, the Volga region, the Don - that’s where he aimed, trying to capture these regions in the first place.] [/ Quote]
    This is something new (apparently from the last ...) But what about the blitz krieg? Is Barbarossa his mother? ...
    Or maybe I forgot something ...
    1. pmkemcity 26 May 2020 13: 51 New
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      Quote: mark1

      mark1 Today, 13:11 PM NEW
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      [quoteThe whole point is that in July 1941 Moscow was not Hitler's main goal, priority in the war. The south and south-east of Ukraine, with their industrial and agricultural regions, the oil-bearing Caucasus, the Volga region, the Don - that’s where he aimed, trying to capture these regions in the first place.]

      This is something new (apparently from the last ...) But what about the blitz krieg? Is Barbarossa his mother? ...
      Or maybe I forgot something ... [/ quote]
      Apparently you really "forgot." “Barbarossa” precisely assumed the initial capture of Leningrad, and only then, an attack on Moscow. it was the defense of Leningrad and the stomping near Smolensk that pushed the Fuhrer to Ukraine, as a way out of the "positional dead end".
      1. mark1 26 May 2020 13: 59 New
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        Quote: pmkemcity
        Apparently you really "forgot."

        Apparently ... Apparently, the Fuhrer’s nerves were to hell (according to your version) since he only started the campaign (June 22, if Cho) and did not significantly reduce the rate of attack, he suddenly panicked and began to “cut” plans on the move ... Paranoid ... hysterical ... piss ...
        1. novel66 26 May 2020 14: 17 New
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          but with good connections ... how many troops were there in the Moscow direction ??
      2. Alexey RA 26 May 2020 14: 31 New
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        Quote: pmkemcity
        Apparently you really "forgot." “Barbarossa” precisely assumed the initial capture of Leningrad, and only then, an attack on Moscow. it was the defense of Leningrad and the stomping near Smolensk that pushed the Fuhrer to Ukraine, as a way out of the "positional dead end".

        In Directive 21, the capture of Moscow and Donbass are carried out at the same stage of the operation. And yes, the Moscow direction is the main thing.
        According to the plan, the advancing forces are divided into two parts: north and south of the Pripyat swamps.
        The northern part of the forces (two army groups) deals the main blow: Belarus - Leningrad - Moscow.
        The direction of the main strike should be prepared north of the Pripyat swamps. Two groups of armies should be concentrated here.
        The southern of these groups, which is the center of the common front, has the task of attacking with especially strong tank and motorized formations from the Warsaw region and to the north of it and crushing the enemy forces in Belarus. In this way, the prerequisites will be created for turning powerful parts of the mobile troops north so that, in cooperation with the northern army group, advancing from East Prussia in the general direction to Leningrad, to destroy the enemy forces operating in the Baltic. Only after ensuring the fulfillment of this urgent task, which should be followed by the seizure of Leningrad and Kronstadt, should operations begin to take Moscow as an important center of communications and military industry.

        The southern part of the forces (one army group) strikes in the direction of Kiev - Moscow / Donbass.
        The armies operating in the south of the Pripyat swamps should, even to the west of the Dnieper during the district operation and with the help of strong flanks, completely destroy the Russian forces located in Ukraine. To this end, it is necessary to concentrate the main direction of the attack from the Lublin region in the general direction to Kiev, while the forces located in Romania form a protective flank separated by a large distance through the lower course of the Prut. The Romanian army has the task of forging the Russian forces between them.

        The attack on Moscow and the capture of Donbass begin only after the flanks of the northern and southern parts are closed:
        At the end of the battles south and north of the Pripyat swamps, deploy the pursuit of the enemy and ensure the achievement of the following goals:
        - in the south, timely occupy the militarily and economically important Donetsk basin,
        - In the north, quickly go to Moscow.
        1. Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 30 New
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          "Moscow direction, the main thing," and the author does not remember this?
      3. 210ox 26 May 2020 15: 01 New
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        By the way, about Smolensk. There is in Krasny Bor so-called. Hitler’s bunker. In fact, this is all a ground structure, and not one ZKP of the Belorussian district.
        1. vladcub 26 May 2020 17: 25 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, about Smolensk. There is in Krasny Bor so-called. Hitler’s bunker. In fact, this is all a ground structure, and not one ZKP of the Belorussian district.

          You touched on an interesting topic: "Hitler's bunkers" on the territory of the Soviet Union. There is somehow little information about this.
    2. Nikolai Korovin 26 May 2020 18: 01 New
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      I used to believe that the Barbarossa plan provided for access to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line. But this is according to Soviet sources, it would be nice, of course, to see at least if Tippelskirch writes anything about this. But that in Hitler’s headquarters it was believed that the USSR was a colossus with feet of clay, no doubt. Thus, Hitler considered it quite possible to pursue three hares. Well, the very name of the plan. It is known that Frederick Barbarossa died a rather inglorious death - he fell off a horse into a small river and was unable to get up in armor, and there was no one nearby who could help him. So the collapse was laid in the name of the plan. The name, of course, is sonorous, but unsuccessful.
  3. Far B 26 May 2020 13: 11 New
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    Nazi Germany leader will make one mistake after another
    Yes, there was only one mistake in his WWII. But fatal - that he decided to start this war altogether. I didn’t calculate that the Union was too tough for him, that the people would stand to their death for their own, people's power.
    1. V.I.P. 26 May 2020 13: 36 New
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      He waged war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa. And climbed to the USSR. Three fronts at the same time !! Just))) ... ... ........ Ours were afraid of the opening of a second front by Japan or others. And this one immediately decided to fight on 3 fronts.
      1. qQQQ 26 May 2020 14: 45 New
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        Quote: V.I.P.
        He fought a war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa. And climbed to the USSR. Three fronts at the same time !! Simply ))).

        Well, Hitler was not an idiot, they most likely agreed with England (Gesa flight), the war in Africa is very limited, the whole West is cleaned up and working for the Reich, the USSR is in the process of rearmament and at the moment the blitzkrieg is German exclusive, later it wouldn’t be so effective. He did not calculate the mobilization reserves, the evacuation of enterprises and the willingness of people to the last to defend their homeland.
        1. voyaka uh 27 May 2020 13: 44 New
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          "most likely agreed with England" ////
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          England since 1940 regularly bombed the industrial areas of the Ruhr, Westphalia.
          Its states supply military equipment and raw materials.
          It was failure with England that prompted Hitler to attack the USSR.
          Ground forces useless against England
          were mobilized and idle. Or it was necessary to dissolve
          soldier home, or start a new land campaign.
          1. qQQQ 27 May 2020 14: 55 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            It was failure with England that prompted Hitler to attack the USSR

            In my opinion, England should be a nice bonus for Hitler, the entire Reich project was focused on "drag nah osten", it was the batch with England that completely disoriented the leadership of the USSR, as an example to everyone known to Sorge warning about the outbreak of war, contained the phrase "after resolving the issue with England. " And the bombing of Germany, especially she was not annoyed until 44, only when it became clear that the Third Reich - everything, the Allies took it more seriously. Again, as an example, according to eyewitnesses, after landing in Normandy, Hitler shouted hysterically that they had betrayed him in the West.
            1. voyaka uh 27 May 2020 16: 24 New
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              The British Empire became the main target after France.
              Without it, the entire conquest of Western Europe went down the drain.
              While the British fleet locked the Atlantic, Hitler could not and
              dream of overseas colonies.
              "Cast to the East" was Hitler's promise to the German peasant farmers.
              Which were his main electorate. Fertile arable land
              Ukraine and the South of Russia instead of the badlands of Germany.
              Well, of course, Hitler desperately needed Baku oil.
              1. Fan-fan 27 May 2020 17: 47 New
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                I read another theory, from which it followed that Stalin himself planned to defeat Germany and waited for the moment that the German landing in England was to become. Those. moment - when the Germans are completely bogged down in England. Therefore, in 1941, Stalin deployed all his troops and depots near the western border, and planned to advance himself.
                1. voyaka uh 27 May 2020 21: 24 New
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                  "located in 1941 all his troops and depots near the western border, he planned to advance himself." ///
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                  It seems reasonable to me another explanation of this disposition.
                  After the defeat of France and the stiff resistance of the tiny Finnish army in the Winter War, Stalin realized that the Red Army would face defeat from the Wehrmacht. There was an order in 1940 to prepare for a defensive war. But then Stalin realized that it was too late — the Red Army always rehearsed only offensive actions. And, as an act of despair, a plan of a preemptive strike against the German forces deployed at the borders was hastily developed. But Hitler was a couple of weeks ahead.
              2. qQQQ 28 May 2020 08: 51 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                The British Empire became the main target after France.

                I agree, but having lost, we must pay tribute to the stubbornness of the British, the air war for Britain, Hitler had two options: to get stuck in England and get a blow from the USSR in the back (sooner or later), in which case the USA and England would quickly agree with us Well, Russia has always fulfilled its allied duty, or to invade the USSR, but how the allies help was evident from the war in Poland and France.
      2. Jager 26 May 2020 15: 02 New
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        The battle for England was already over, the Germans didn’t have any actions in Africa - thanks to the Italians.
        1. Revolver 27 May 2020 01: 39 New
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          Quote: Jager
          Germans’s actions in Africa were not designed at all - thanks to Italians.

          “Gentlemen, I want to inform you that Italy entered the war!”
          “No problem, my Fuhrer.” To conquer them, we have enough 10 divisions.
          - But gentlemen! They entered the war on our side!
          “But this is a problem, my Fuhrer.” We will need at least 20 divisions to get them out of the shit that they will certainly fit into.
          1. rich 27 May 2020 14: 59 New
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            Revolver:
            “Gentlemen, I want to inform you that Italy entered the war!”
            “No problem, my Fuhrer.” To conquer them, we have enough 10 divisions.
            - But gentlemen! They entered the war on our side!
            “But this is a problem, my Fuhrer.” We will need at least 20 divisions to get them out of the shit that they will certainly fit into.

            Mom dear !!! ??? belay But this is a military forum. stopSuch fakes will not work here yes
            This phrase, from the time of the First World War. belongs to Helmut von Moltke Have you heard Nagan about this? lol I suspect a hundred and no
            Kaiser Wilhelm II asked the Chief of the Field General Staff, Count Helmut von Moltke, what he thinks of Romania. And then Colonel General Moltke replied: “We don’t care, Your Majesty, on whose side Romania will enter the war. If ours, then it will take 10 divisions to save it from defeat. If against us, we will need the same 10 divisions to defeat it. ”
      3. Krasnodar 26 May 2020 15: 39 New
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        Quote: V.I.P.
        He waged war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa. And climbed to the USSR. Three fronts at the same time !! Just))) ... ... ........ Ours were afraid of the opening of a second front by Japan or others. And this one immediately decided to fight on 3 fronts.

        He thought that the USSR would become “the largest Poland”. Although the attaché at the German embassy in Moscow warned him about the strength of the State system and the huge mobilization resource of the Union.
      4. Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 16: 58 New
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        Quote: V.I.P.
        He waged war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa.

        What did you mean? England, at least one German division, not that of a tank, but at least an infantry, was riveted to itself before the age of 44? How many German divisions fought in Africa?
        1. V.I.P. 26 May 2020 18: 02 New
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          Germany fought in Africa from 1941 to 1943. In 1943, 250000 Germans surrendered. At the same time, 20 English divisions fought there, and this is 50% of the entire active army of England.
          1. Herman 4223 27 May 2020 19: 12 New
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            It seems that the 2nd Panzer Corps of Rommel fought in Africa. Three German divisions, one Muslim ss from the local and, if not mistaken, 8 Italian.
            Is it from them that 250 thousand prisoners were gathered?
        2. ager1751 27 May 2020 08: 42 New
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          From 20% in 41 to 40% in 45, German divisions were on the western front.
          1. Krasnoyarsk 27 May 2020 09: 11 New
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            Quote: ager1751
            From 20% in 41 to 40% in 45, German divisions were on the western front.

            Yes I know. After the eastern front, they rested there, replenished with people, weapons and equipment.
            1. ager1751 27 May 2020 09: 35 New
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              Nevertheless, Hitler could not remove them from there. Throw, conditionally, under Stalingrad or Kursk could not. I couldn’t go to Belarus, I couldn’t go to the Zeelovsky heights. All aviation aces were in the West. We won the victory exclusively by joint efforts. Alone, we would not have succeeded.
              1. Krasnoyarsk 27 May 2020 15: 44 New
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                Quote: ager1751
                Nevertheless, Hitler could not remove them from there.

                Why so? There was no front. Well, he kept training and reserve units there (strategic reserve). The front, as such, was not. What are you composting your brains? Under Stalingrad, divisions from Africa (defeated by the British laughing ) threw. And near Kursk the whole color of the Wehrmacht troops was collected, remaining after Moscow and Stalingrad.
                1. ager1751 27 May 2020 15: 52 New
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                  Yes, let the strategic reserve. But he did not transfer them to Stalingrad and Kursk. As we could not take everything from the Far East, so did they. And at 44 this "reserve" was already fighting off in Normandy.
    2. novel66 26 May 2020 14: 21 New
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      he was simply not informed
    3. Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 35 New
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      Dalniy colleague, you are absolutely right: Hitler broke his neck in the Soviet Union.
      Interestingly, he at least once admitted that he made a mistake on June 22, 1941?
  4. Dr. Frankenstucker 26 May 2020 13: 34 New
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    Could Hitler in those hot days of the summer of 1941 begin to realize the full depth of the abyss into which he rushed headlong, dragging an army and a country behind him?


    The abyss, in fact, did not gap before the Reich "in those hot days of the summer of 1941."
  5. KVU-NSVD 26 May 2020 13: 36 New
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    Yes, as far as is known, the head of the Third Reich made around this time “inspection trips” to the Eastern Front. But was he in Malnava?

    In Malnava, he forgot the same thing as on the other sections of the front visited - he came to get acquainted with the progress of things on the spot, as Barbarossa performed already at that time time slippages began to be observed. The result of the acquaintance in the zone of the North group was the giving of its additional tank group. It didn’t help much, but it became easier for us in the main Moscow direction.
    The thing is that in July 1941 Moscow was not Hitler's main goal, priority in the war.
    this is of course a fresh look at the summer-fall of the 41st. In what the author saw the mystery of this visit it is unclear
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker 26 May 2020 21: 34 New
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      What the author saw in the mystery of this visit is unclear


      Yes, the dog knows him. Soon this moronic trend will reach a pen, like -
      "On March 24, 1944, Hitler came to see Dr. Blaschke. Did Hitler realize the full depth of the abyss into which he rushed headlong, dragging his army and country behind him when he writhed in his dental chair to the sound of a drill?"
      1. Revolver 27 May 2020 01: 44 New
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        Was it an ampoule with cyanide inserted into his tooth, or what?
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker 27 May 2020 13: 09 New
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          Nah, they put a crown from the melted bowl of the Grail. laughing
  6. knn54 26 May 2020 14: 20 New
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    I can say for sure, not for passing the entrance exams to the agricultural school.
  7. Catfish 26 May 2020 14: 27 New
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    The capture of Leningrad played a special place in Hitler’s cannibalistic plans.

    Hitler was not going to take either Leningrad or Moscow, he was not so stupid as to stupidly destroy soldiers and equipment in street battles. The encirclement and blockade, starvation of people, which later happened with Leningrad, but the defeat of German troops on other fronts did not allow to fully realize this cannibalistic plan.
    By the way, at the end of the article, the respected author himself writes:
    ... according to which the 3rd Panzer Group will be transferred to the disposal of Army Group Sever to “cover its right flank and encircle Leningrad” ...

    The environment, not the assault and capture.
    1. Alexey RA 26 May 2020 14: 40 New
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      Quote: Sea Cat
      Hitler was not going to take either Leningrad or Moscow, he was not so stupid as to stupidly destroy soldiers and equipment in street battles. The environment and the blockade, starve people to death, which then happened with Leningrad

      Directive No. 21 specifically stipulates the seizure of Leningrad:
      Only after ensuring the fulfillment of this urgent task, which should be followed by the seizure of Leningrad and Kronstadt, should operations begin to take Moscow as an important center of communications and military industry.

      The fact is that at the planning stage no street battles were planned - the main forces of the Red Army had to be defeated at the border or constrained by the actions of the allied Reich states.
      In accordance with the advancement of the German northern flank, the main forces of the Finnish army will be tasked with forging as many Russian troops as possible, advancing to the west or on both sides of Lake Ladoga and taking possession of the Hanko Peninsula.

      So there would be no one to defend Leningrad and Moscow.

      And by the way, even after changing the concept to the environment, instead of capturing, von Leeb still tried to take Leningrad: with the help of 4 TGr mechanical connections, cut off the Soviet units defending in the UR from the city, change the 4 TGr mechanical connections to infantry and send 4 TGr to Moscow. And then, along with the Finns, infantry, with the support of the 8th air corps, you can take a city without troops.
      In short, von Leeb wanted to do about the same as ours during the storming of Berlin in 1945.
  8. Dr. Frankenstucker 26 May 2020 14: 30 New
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    The following thoughtful posts will be, respectively, "Why did G. visit Brest ... Uman ... Riga ... Minsk ... Poltava ... Mariupol ... Zaporozhye ... Smolensk ...."?
    1. Alexey RA 27 May 2020 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
      The following thoughtful posts will be, respectively, "Why did G. visit Brest ... Uman ... Riga ... Minsk ... Poltava ... Mariupol ... Zaporozhye ... Smolensk ...."?

      And the biggest mystery is why did Hitler visit Berlin? smile
  9. Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 06 New
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    Dear author, look at the map, where is Latvia and where is the South?
    My opinion, Hitler freaked out because of Leningrad
  10. Undecim 26 May 2020 16: 30 New
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    There is no secret in this visit.
    There is a Deutsche Wochenschau chronicle of August 6, 1941, covering Hitler's visit to Latvia in July 1941.

    You can look here - https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1003352.
    1. vladcub 26 May 2020 19: 06 New
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      V. N, you have no sensitivity at all: the author wanted to "discover America", and you destroyed all his theories
      1. Undecim 26 May 2020 19: 09 New
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        The author discovers America in each of his opus. So survive. And he doesn’t read comments. Propaganda is not necessary.
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          He has no time to read comments?
          1. Undecim 26 May 2020 19: 31 New
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            They are not interesting to him. The main thing is to crow.
  11. Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 39 New
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    Quote: V.I.P.
    He waged war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa. And climbed to the USSR. Three fronts at the same time !! Just))) ... ... ........ Ours were afraid of the opening of a second front by Japan or others. And this one immediately decided to fight on 3 fronts.

    Take him to a psychiatrist. Review d / s Ozerova "Unknown War" it says in detail what was Hitler's priority
  12. faterdom 26 May 2020 16: 40 New
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    to the disposal of Army Group Sever to “cover its right flank and encircle Leningrad” the 3rd Panzer Group removed from the central (Moscow) direction will be transferred

    I always thought that the role of the surrendered Leningrad is still underestimated. These masses of Hitler’s troops and allies constrained on the site did not help him much to take Moscow, Stalingrad, and then they were not enough near Kursk and Orel. That is, one failure pulled along a chain of others. Although a terrible price for us.
    So all sorts of gozman-bulls, who casually regret that we did not surrender Leningrad, in fact regret that we did not lose the war.
    And this is not “pluralism”, it is an article of the Criminal Code, which for some reason is not applied.
  13. Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 16: 50 New
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    = The thing is that in July 1941 Moscow was not the main goal for Hitler, =
    Yes Yes Yes. The center of the railways connecting the North, West, East and South of the country was not at all interested in Hitler. wassat Having taken Moscow, Hitler tore these ties. And only when he realized that he couldn’t take Moscow by direct assault, he went south.
    1. Alexey RA 26 May 2020 19: 21 New
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      = The thing is that in July 1941 Moscow was not the main goal for Hitler, =
      Yes Yes Yes. The center of the railways connecting the North, West, East and South of the country was not at all interested in Hitler.

      Judging by Directive No. 21, the Moscow direction became the main one only after closing the flanks of GA "South" and "Center" and capturing Leningrad.
      In this way, the prerequisites will be created for turning powerful parts of the mobile troops north so that, in cooperation with the northern army group, advancing from East Prussia in the general direction to Leningrad, to destroy the enemy forces operating in the Baltic. Only after ensuring the fulfillment of this urgent task, which should be followed by the seizure of Leningrad and Kronstadt, should operations begin to take Moscow as an important center of communications and military industry.

      At the end of the battles south and north of the Pripyat swamps, deploy the pursuit of the enemy and ensure the achievement of the following goals:
      - in the south, timely occupy the militarily and economically important Donetsk basin,
      - In the north, quickly go to Moscow.
      1. Fan-fan 27 May 2020 18: 04 New
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        Read the memoirs of Guderian, they are published in Russian. In his book, Guderian openly accuses Hitler of not understanding the situation in the summer of 1941, when Hitler forced Guderian's tank group to turn south and help the Germans surround Kiev. Guderian personally went to the headquarters of the Fuhrer to ask him to cancel this order and continue the attack on Moscow. But Hitler rested and Guderian lost a month of time in Ukraine, this month our people managed to organize the defense of Moscow.
        1. Alexey RA 27 May 2020 18: 23 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Read the memoirs of Guderian, they are published in Russian. In his book, Guderian openly accuses Hitler of not understanding the situation in the summer of 1941, when Hitler forced Guderian's tank group to turn south and help the Germans surround Kiev.

          And this is the favorite fun of the German generals - to blame everything on the Fuhrer. In Heinz, the right flank hangs in the air, between GA Center and South there is a hole, south of it there is a 600-strong Russian group. But he, of course, must step on Moscow. smile
          It recalls the suffering of Chuikov over the abolition of the assault on Berlin in February 1945.

          And yes, it’s hard to believe the person who writes in an official letter in October 1941 that:
          ... the Soviet T-34 tank is a typical example of backward Bolshevik technology. This tank can not be compared with the best examples of our tanks, made by the faithful sons of the Reich and have repeatedly proved their advantage ..

          And in his memoirs, describing absolutely the same time, he writes the exact opposite:
          South of Mtsensk, the 4th Panzer Division was attacked by Russian tanks, and it had to survive a difficult moment. For the first time, the superiority of Russian T-34 tanks was manifested in sharp form. The division suffered significant losses. The planned rapid attack on Tula had to be postponed.
          (...)
          Our anti-tank weapons of that time could successfully operate against T-34 tanks only under particularly favorable conditions. For example, our T-IV tank with its 75 mm short-barreled cannon was only able to destroy the T-34 tank from the rear, hitting its engine through the blinds. This required a lot of art.
  14. Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 53 New
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    He waged war (sea and air) with England. He waged a war in Africa. And climbed to the USSR. Three fronts at the same time !! Just))) ... ... ........ Ours were afraid of the opening of a second front by Japan or others. And this one immediately decided to fight on 3 fronts.

    He thought that the USSR would become “the largest Poland”. Although the attaché at the German embassy in Moscow warned him about the strength of the State system and the huge mobilization resource of the Union.

    And he ignored this warning. After all, equal to God. I remember from the TV show “Seventeen Moments of Spring” that Stirlitz said: “in spite of the ban of the Führer, I believe in God a little”, probably Hitler saw a competitor in the god?
  15. Kushka 26 May 2020 18: 16 New
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    It is thought that about God and Hitler in one sentence ...
    to put it mildly, incorrectly. What could Hitler say to God
    (besides what I already said in my general book)?
    And what could God “say” to this devil?
    Hitler's suicide - this is the whole "conversation".
  16. Uve bjørnsson 27 May 2020 19: 53 New
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    He studied at the Malnava technar (1995.-99.), Just about the Old College building and speech.
    I also thought that there were beautiful stories about Hitler who had been there (an old teacher on metal technology told me that the world has been as old as 18 years old).
    But no, as it turns out. what