Rogozin: We will not repeat the moon exploration program for the Americans

Two years ago, Dmitry Rogozin headed the state-owned corporation Roscosmos. Much has been done during this time, and more needs to be done.

Today, from 11.00 on this topic, the head of "Roskosmos" talked live with journalists Radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda".

Media representatives were interested in when the Russian cosmonauts would begin to explore the moon, and were there any plans at all.

Dmitry Rogozin said in this regard that Russia does not intend to copy the American program for the exploration of the moon. He believes that the Soviet Union had already made a similar mistake when it decided to repeat the US Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) program, unofficially called the Star Wars program:

We should not jerk in the way that, unfortunately, the Soviet Union once reacted to the strategic defense initiative, when tremendous money was actually thrown at a fantastic idea, which, as a result, was not realized.

Rogozin believes that Roscosmos should act more pragmatically, since Russia simply does not have such funds that the Americans can afford to spend on space Wishlist.


The head of Roskosmos said that now our country has its own lunar program, which is being implemented in stages.

Comments

[Jack O'Neill]

Well, Rogozin is right. Americans can afford a lot more, in view of the fact that more money is corny.
But to master along with the Americans, it is much cheaper, and in both directions. So we need to cooperate!

[poquello]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

to master together with the Americans, then much cheaper, and in both directions. So we need to cooperate!

? Rogozin said that Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States.

[Jack O'Neill]

? Rogozin said that Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States.

There are different plans, and plans change.

[Sklendarka]

,, .. real heroes, always go around "
,, ... on dusty roads
distant planets
our traces will remain ... "

[poquello]

Quote: Skalendarka

, .. real heroes always go around "

everyone decides to the best of his understanding, when in front of a person, for example, a ditch - he has seven options for action

[Sklendarka]

The film "Aibolit 66", where the heroes always walked around ...

[Avior]

but we never turn a curve

And it will be necessary - we will again go along the curve!

[Fan-fan]

Rogozin said

Spit and forget what he said. And it is better not to pay attention at all, since he can blurt out only nonsense, something similar to the famous "Trampoline". Except how to say something else, he can not.
They found, damn it, the head of Roscosmos, about the same as the head of sports Mutko. Yes, they are managers of the same level there.

[mark2]

But the day after tomorrow we will find out whether a trampoline is required or not. Mask is going to launch two gaiters into space. Something all fell silent. Wait.

[Reserve officer]

In fact, Rogozin is simply not allowed to talk about the alleged mistakes of the USSR in space programs. He is not Korolev, not Glushko, not Ustinov. He is a journalist caught in a career stream.
And he has no moral right to say anything about criticizing the space programs of the USSR. He is not a specialist, he is a random person in this industry. Its ceiling is a leading television show.

[Misha Honest]

About 5 years ago I bombed about Rogozin and GDP - as it was and remains. Two morons is power. (((

[Misha Honest]

For me personally, GDP = Yeltsin.

[fider]

Misha Honest
So already three?

[Misha Honest]

In fact, there are about 20-30 million of them in Russia. Those whom Comrade Beria called "enemies of the people." If not 60)

[Simargl]

Quote: Reserve officer

In fact, Rogozin is simply not allowed to talk about the alleged mistakes of the USSR in space programs.

And to confuse development (bases, stations, a long stay and a program for many years) and conquest (lurking, stuck a flag, scored stones and go home) - it’s somehow weak for a journalist.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: poquello

? Rogozin said that Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States.

if Ragozin did not say anything at all, then there would be more benefit from him.

[poquello]

Quote: Stroporez

if Ragozin did not say anything at all, then there would be more benefit from him.

no matter what he says, everything goes on as usual, but in general his words do not differ much from the process, adjusted for thick circumstances such as various sanctions and other bourgeois counteractions

[Sling cutter]

Quote: poquello

no matter what he says, everything goes on as usual, but in general his words do not differ much from the process, adjusted for thick circumstances such as various sanctions and other bourgeois counteractions

In any case, bourgeois Musk is more preferable to me than bourgeois ragozin. One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Stroporez

One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

I don't know what Musk launches there, that's their business. But "Bababols trampoline", Americans are delivered to the ISS. And on a regular basis.

[Simargl]

Quote: orionvitt

I don’t know what Musk launches there, it's their business.

The problem is in perspective: they have relied on cheaper launches. It may be that it will be cheaper to buy flights from them. Not in this iteration, but with the stuck Federated Eagle ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Simargl

they relied on cheaper launches.

Nonsense. Space has always been unprofitable, in monetary terms, at least. No private corporation will ever pull a space program without state subsidies. (They even have farmers on subsidies ) What are they doing in the USA? Very comfortably. In case of failure, the private trader will always be to blame, and not a government structure like NASA. And it’s easier for officials to take a break.

it will be cheaper to buy flights from them

If you haven't noticed, I would like to remind you that no one has ever flown anywhere. But the seats on the Soyuz, the Americans asked for two years in advance. Maybe they know better than us what they have there and how.

[Simargl]

Quote: orionvitt

Nonsense. Space has always been unprofitable, in monetary terms, at least.

Uh ... a trip to the Arctic has always been unprofitable ... until they opened the NSR ...
In general, I wrote:

Quote: Simargl

it will be cheaper to buy flights from them

Quote: orionvitt

No private corporation will ever pull a space program without state subsidies.

This is until space begins to bring income.

Quote: orionvitt

If you have not noticed, then I remind you that no one has flown anywhere.

Yes Yes! And they did not fly to the moon, and the Shuttle did not fly.
Their goal is to make cheap and cheerful. It was already expensive and very angry. However, all options are approximately equal in price to ours; this is enough for them to dump.
Do you think they will not succeed? It will work out.

Quote: orionvitt

Maybe they know better than us what they have there and how.

So Roscosmos is going to reserve places on the Dragon. We don’t know something?

[slipped]

Quote: Stroporez

One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

On May 22, a Soyuz-2.1b space rocket with a Fregat upper stage was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome.



The fourth spacecraft of the Kupol Unified Missile Attack Warning System has been launched into orbit.

Here, in VO, by the way, there was not a word about this.

This would be Russia's seventh successful launch this year. In addition, preparations are underway for the next launch.

[keeper03]

Hurray, comrades !!!
So let's drink for stability!

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Stroporez

In any case, bourgeois Musk is more preferable to me than bourgeois ragozin. One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

Bourgeois Musk in 2020 launched, at the moment, 6 rockets and bourgeois Rolozin 7 rockets.
I didn’t hear that the Americans were flying into space on their spaceship, so while they are flying on the Rogozin trampoline.

[Simargl]

Quote: mikhailovich22

Bourgeois Musk in 2020 launched, at the moment, 6 rockets and bourgeois Rolozin 7 rockets.

The bourgeois USA has Musk, NASA, Lockheed with the Martin, Boeing, and the Orbital Science Corporation, and Russia ... Roscoskos and S-7 (which only intends to launch something there). So you only need to compare the Mask with the whole Roskosmos. So, the USA has 10 launches, against our 7, at the moment.

[slipped]

Quote: Simargl

The bourgeois United States has Mask, and NASA, and Lockheed with the Martin, and Boeing, and the Orbital Science Corporation, and Russia ...
Roscoskos and S-7 (which only intends to launch something there).

Roscosmos includes 76 enterprises and organizations that are no worse in terms of competence of Boeing, Lockheed Martins and other Grummans.

Quote: Simargl

So you only need to compare the Mask with the whole Roskosmos.

But why? he will always be behind in launches from the whole Roskosmos. You better compare the Mask with Lockheed and Martin or Boeing.

Quote: Simargl

So, the USA has 10 launches, against our 7, at the moment.

but it would have been more if not for the closure of the Guiana Space Center in Kourou for six months due to the virus (two Soyuz-2 launches were postponed to the second half of the year) and questions with the British company OneWeb (two Soyuz-2 launches were also gone right).

[Simargl]

Quote: slipped

Roscosmos includes 76 enterprises and organizations that are no worse in terms of competence of Boeing, Lockheed Martins and other Grummans.

What am I talking about? Compare one of с state corporationwhich carries out all launches in the country at the moment.

Quote: slipped

What for? he will always be behind in launches from the whole Roskosmos.

I don’t know either, that's why I wrote

Quote: Simargl

only Mask with whole Roskosmos

Quote: slipped

but it would be more if not for the closure of the Guiana Space Center

The problem is that Guiana is ESA ... and even then - 9 against 10.
On the other hand, then you can count 3 Atlas-5

[slipped]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: slipped

but it would be more if not for the closure of the Guiana Space Center

The problem is that Guiana is ESA ...

This is a commercial sale of missiles with their launch for Arianspace. They let it all the same ours.

Quote: Simargl

and even then - 9 against 10.

No, you forgot about the two launches of the delayed vanweb, and you also moved Proton to the quarter since March . But it doesn’t matter, all the same this year they will launch from the delayed, Proton flies at the end of July, and the same launches from the MCC are postponed to October-November.

Quote: Simargl

On the other hand, then you can count 3 Atlas-5

No, we do not launch Atlas-5 - it is launched by ULA, we sell them engines only, as well as Grumann. This is taken into account by NPO Energomash more.

[orionvitt]

Quote: mikhailovich22

I didn’t hear that the Americans flew into space on their ship

Do not pay attention and do not waste your nerves. All adherents of the Mask sect, on this resource, by virtue of their tenacity, generally do not see the difference between flight and launch. When you start to prove to them that they launch their satellites, but fly then they are on our "Soyuz", you always hear one answer, like "so what." In response, they always talk about some "incredible numbers" of some kind of launches, which are also supposedly cheaper than a taxi ride. What can you do, some really firmly believe that in the West "all the best." I have already spat and try not to get involved in such disputes. Useless.

[AnderS]

while they fly on the Rogozin trampoline.

Well, so far there is both a trampoline and something Rogozinsky far. So far, everyone is flying modernized Soviet rockets and spacecraft.

[NEXUS]

Quote: poquello

Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States

All these statements look very blurry and look more like some kind of bravado, in case of a bad game. At the same time, people in self-isolation insistently hammered lies in their heads, while closing their mouths to those who want to understand and ask uncomfortable questions.
Here I am interested in answers to a number of questions ...
For example, with regard to the space theme ... why, while we are in a state of war (in fact) with the United States and NATO, we sell them titanium, palladium, rocket engines and much more, strategically important for many key industries of the United States?
Here, many will answer, well, we sell, they say, because it supports our space industry and other industries, new jobs, and so on ... it seems to look smooth, but ...
And during the Soviet era during the Cold War, what did the Union, in order to support its production and new jobs, not sell all this to the United States? At the same time, everything developed, was under construction, and there was practically no unemployment as such.
Why do we need cooperation with the Anglo-Saxon civilization, with which we have been at war for many centuries?
And this same cooperation or influence on our lives of sworn friends is observed in everything: starting with pharmacology, food, and ending with the banking system. If someone does not know, then out of 40% of Sberbank's free shares, 70% of them are in the hands of the United States and Great Britain.
Such as Gref, Kudrin, Nabiulina are afraid of individual sanctions from Washington. For example, it is very significant how Gref evades the answer to the question-why in the Crimea (the territory of the Russian Federation, if that) does not open a representative office of Sberbank. In YouTube there is a record of his press conference.
And with this epidemic, not everything is so clear and transparent. Especially after the EVENT 201. Who does not know, here is an excerpt about this event ..

Event 201 (eng. Event 201) - pandemic exercises conducted by Johns Hopkins University 18 2019 October, the with the participation of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum.

The date is very remarkable ... that is, a month before the outbreak ...
Simulation game

During the game, the process of spreading a pandemic of a new zoonotic coronavirus, first transmitted from bats to pigs and then to humans, was simulated. Brazilian farms were recognized as the focus of infection. In the human population, infection was carried out by airborne droplets, as well as with handshakes and other tactile contacts. Tourists carry the disease across the oceans. A feature of the virus was the lack of an effective vaccine and selective mortality, mainly associated with individuals whose immunity is weakened. A hypothetical virus should look like a flu virus or SARS. In 18 months, he must destroy 65 million people around the world. The pandemic begins to slow due to a decrease in the number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue until an effective vaccine appears or until 80–90% of the world's population is infected. From this point on, it is likely to become an endemic childhood illness. At the same time, the global economy will collapse by 11%

At the same time, Trump suspended the financing of WHO ... But the Russian Federation paid $ 1 million to WHO for research and development of a coronovirus vaccine. Interesting ... At the same time, the United States wants to receive trillions of dollars from China for the spread of this infection.
Can anyone remember at all what disease WHO has defeated in many years? But the money is poured there from all over the world. And from Russia as well.
I had some kind of strange feeling that all these space games, epidemics, and so on are just some kind of performance for us simple and gullible spectators.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: NEXUS

NEXUS

if you wanted to say that ours - suckers - you are right),

[poquello]

Quote: NEXUS

why, being in a state of war (in fact) with the United States and NATO, are we selling them titanium, palladium, rocket engines, and much more, strategically important for many key industries in the United States?

still hoping for peace, friendship, chewing gum, and ... there is one small but very important detail - the difference from that time - business in the PM and American is not the same with the US government and its offices

Quote: NEXUS

And with this epidemic, not everything is so clear and transparent. Especially after the EVENT 201. Who does not know, here is an excerpt about this event ..
Event 201 (Eng. Event 201) is a pandemic exercise conducted by Johns Hopkins University on October 18, 2019 with the participation of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum.

The date is very remarkable ... that is, a month before the outbreak ...
Simulation game
During the game, the process of spreading a pandemic of a new zoonotic coronavirus, first transmitted from bats to pigs and then to humans, was simulated. Brazilian farms were recognized as the focus of infection. In the human population, infection was carried out by airborne droplets, as well as with handshakes and other tactile contacts. Tourists carry the disease across the oceans. A feature of the virus was the lack of an effective vaccine and selective mortality, mainly associated with individuals whose immunity is weakened. A hypothetical virus should look like a flu virus or SARS. In 18 months, he must destroy 65 million people around the world. The pandemic begins to slow due to a decrease in the number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue until an effective vaccine appears or until 80–90% of the world's population is infected. From this point on, it is likely to become an endemic childhood illness. At the same time, the global economy will collapse by 11%

Americans' refusal to explain about the importation of the virus from the United States and their biolaboratory suggests certain thoughts

Quote: NEXUS

Can anyone remember at all what disease WHO has defeated in many years?

In 1952-1964 the organization conducted the Global Tropical Granuloma Eradication Program (a skin disease that cripples and disfigures the human body), which included penicillin injection. For 30 years since 1974, WHO has implemented the “Onchocerciasis Eradication Program” (“river blindness”) in West Africa, as a result of which blindness was prevented in 600 thousand patients and 18 million children were saved from this disease.

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In 1974, the “Expanded Program on Immunization to Ensure Access to Essential Vaccines for Children” was adopted. At that time, few countries had immunization programs, most of them only responding to outbreaks. WHO advised national epidemiologists on how to conduct surveillance and introduced a vaccine prequalification system. By 1990, global vaccination coverage for the first and third doses of pertussis, diphtheria, and tetanus vaccines reached 88% and 76%, respectively, and by 2012, 91% and 83%.

In the years 1967-1979. the organization coordinated a campaign to eradicate smallpox, the results of which - the complete eradication of the disease worldwide - she considers her most serious achievement.

In 1988, WHO launched the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, which reduced its incidence by more than 99%.

In the late 1990s, WHO devoted financial and organizational resources to the fight against HIV. A lot of money was spent on developing a vaccine and medicine, but they never appeared. However, it was possible to develop other effective methods of treatment, including the use of inhibitors that prevent infection from entering the stage of a fatal disease.

[Per se.]

Quote: NEXUS

all these space games

The Americans played in space, so far behind the USSR that even after its collapse they could not independently build an orbital station, and before the appearance of the "shuttles", they could only make suborbital jumps, engaged in falsification, including the Hollywood "landing" on the Moon. "The Conquerors of the Moon", bought off from exposure by the leadership of the USSR, made an offer, which our short-sighted politicians then could not refuse. Until now, the real landing on the moon is a problem. The brave Americans famously "visited" the Moon without having worked out flight technologies in automatic mode (unlike the USSR), in rag spacesuits, in an oxygen environment, with diapers ...

Most importantly, according to the trajectory of the Earth's radiation belts declared by NASA (about which there was not enough information at that time), their astronauts (not cosmonauts) would have expected 100% death from radiation. In addition, the gallant cowboys "flew" in their super-successful show on launches, in the years of maximum activity of the Sun.

By the way, the US Congress demanded that Russia stop disseminating information refuting the Americans’ landing on the moon. Congressmen Ted Cruz, Lamar Smith, and Brian Babin made such an official appeal. Although, a monstrous lie, according to the lunar scam, is becoming apparent not only in Russia, but throughout the world.

In some ways, Mr. Rogozin is right, we do not need such programs of "conquering" the moon. Why all the facts of American falsification have not yet been officially declassified is another question. Sooner or later, this will still happen if the Soviet archives are not declassified, there will be other evidence of the impossibility of America landing on the moon in the last century, and the shame of the United States will already be colossal, commensurate with the lost war.

[Glory1974]

there will be other evidence of America’s impossibility of landing on the moon in the last century, and, the shame of the United States will already be colossal,

Evidence is already there. Information technologies blur them, divert attention to the side. And so it can go on for a long time. And over time, interest in the topic will fade and everyone will let go on the brakes.

[Selevc]

The main thing is that according to the NASA declared trajectory of the Earth’s radiation belts (about which there was not enough information then), their astronauts (not astronauts) would expect 100% death from radiation.

Ask yourself a simple question - Why, after the successful implementation of the Apollo program, NO ONE space power did not take a manned flight around the moon ??? I'm not talking about landing on the moon and taking off from it - this is a separate conversation ...
Neither astronauts nor astronauts have been flying into the orbit of the moon for almost half a century !!! Why ????

The answer is simple and banal: the Moon is outside the Earth’s magnetosphere and the crew flying into its orbit will certainly die after receiving super-powerful doses of solar radiation !!! The USSR knew this, therefore, did not send a man to the moon, the United States hid it by imitating the flight of its astronauts to the moon !!!

Trump’s current conversations about the moon are just the talk of politics and have nothing to do with space exploration ...

[kig]

Quote: Selevc

radiation !!!

Quote: Selevc

to the moon !!!

Quote: Selevc

half a century !!!

And why do people like you love exclamation marks so much? They probably think that the more exclamations, the more convincing they seem?

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

For example, with regard to the cosmic theme ... why, being seemingly at war (in fact) with the United States and NATO, we sell them titanium, palladium, rocket engines

They say Andrey that we do not sell titanium, but supply high-tech titanium alloys. Without which, flight safety will decrease slightly. Another question with whose tacit consent was divided the market between Boeing and Airbass. Type Cargo may be, but do not pop into the passenger. And now we have what we have. The hard workers want to eat, and deliver either to the bourgeois, or to the Army. Here we have such an interesting war

[keeper03]

Ask the right questions, comrade NEXUS!

[unaha]

In this case, the United States is not going to spend money at all, it creates the conditions for private companies to spend money.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And who will give money to private companies? Who will give those tasks? Do it, I don’t know what? Or will they do it like with Chubais? They give money, money is mastered, what is available at the exit is not asked. What about the genius of private management with breakthrough technologies? Theoretically, we should already populate the sun. And practically? Or does he have such secret technologies before that he shouldn’t know about them? Mask has at least some kind of body movement.

[unaha]

"And who will give money to private companies? Who will give those assignments? Do that, I don't know what?" - no one will either give money or put TK. These are private initiatives. Who gave money or set TOR to Bezos for the development of BE-4? Where they find an opportunity to make a profit, they will invest there. It can be state. orders, but not for a rocket, but for the service of launching into orbit or delivery to the ISS.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

These are private initiatives.

Well, okay. No one will invest! This is not Russian, something to create. After all, we have a private-state partnership. The state pays the private owner participation in money sharing (budget development). Even to raise money they created Plato. What private initiative can we talk about? Something is not visible to private aircraft factories or private shipbuilding. Judging by the stagnation of production in the country, we can only get profit from two pipes (and even then they are now in question).

[unaha]

So I'm talking about the US and Trump's latest initiatives. This has nothing to do with the Russian Federation. We have a special way)

[Voltsky]

Red has already come out in profit, no need to drive him - you can only use rods to educate

[SOVIET UNION 2]

This is about the video where he says, We have money! We have a lot of money!

[Voltsky]

No about financial reporting

[Doliva63]

Quote: Voletsky

Red has already come out in profit, no need to drive him - you can only use rods to educate

And when he was not in profit?

[Tusv]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Theoretically, we should already populate the sun. And practically?

And almost the Americans brought the production of the left wheel to Asia, and the drawing was safely lost. Now turnips are scratched, which detail is better. 3D Printed or Chinese

[ultra]

Well you are naive.

[Not_invented]

Sounds good, but not realistic.
What will we offer them? Korolevsky Union? Or, maybe, operating time at Mir station? Collaboration is about equals. And Roskosmos surpasses NASA only in the number of unfulfilled promises.

[Jack O'Neill]

We can offer them brains. It is a demanding product.

[Not_invented]

Well, if you are talking about the re-purchase by Americans of specialists from Russia - yes, we can. And successfully offer. Our experts thrown there. To Ilon, for example, the Mask. Because when you work there you see how rockets take off and land, how humanity is getting closer to the stars. And in Roscosmos you see how a tower of money from corrupt officials becomes closer to the stars.

[Jack O'Neill]

Not everyone dumps. Someone may refuse for one reason or another.
Although, it seems to me, it is better to work where your work is valued, and not for abstract things.

[Not_invented]

Not all, I do not argue. The family keeps some, some age, some hope to change everything. But until the thieves go to trial, and competent managers come in their place, we will be sad to look from the ground at the Americans and Chinese flying away to the moon.

[Jack O'Neill]

So it will be, if everything goes well with us, by gravity ...
It’s not even Rogozin's fault (Rogozin is just a pawn), but ..
The fish rots from the head!

[K-612-O]

I'm afraid to ask, what do you know about our lunar program? What devices are being built and developed, launch dates, media type? What is the concept at all?
And by the way, you can cram into someone, of course, but looking at China, which so far has only been able to copy Soviet space, this is not a progressive matter.
And about the decay and all the rest of the above, it’s for you in MK or Echo.

[Not_invented]

Every day I see rotting at work. I was developing a remote control system for a locomotive, and I really wanted to put domestic components there. I searched, I searched. Well, not them. Our resistors are much more expensive than Chinese, similar processors are almost entirely made of gold for such money that you can buy the whole locomotive. As a result, I bought a domestic antenna. But not because it is better than the Chinese one, but because the dimensions are such that the Post has piled up so much money that the price has doubled. Of the three hundred nomenclatures in the product, there is only one domestic part. Because they either do not, or are more expensive and worse than the Chinese.

[keeper03]

Well, here are the ideal conditions for the development of something domestic! And who created them!?! But on the box every day they shout about support, development, but in reality - they rob the country!

[Not_invented]

As for the program and the concept, the trouble is that they are not there. Every month Rogozin invents new nonsense. Either a space elevator, then a robot with legs in zero gravity will send, then it will come up with trampolines, then Martian rockets. But in reality, the last interplanetary station we flew in 20011, and even that sank.

[sniperino]

Quote: K-612-O

is it you in MK or Echo

I can assume that it sounds on these resources, it is repeated many times on VO: there it is interwoven with pseudo-liberal rhetoric, and here mainly in pseudo-communist.

[mikhailovich22]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

not for abstract things.

Today the most abstract thing is the American dollar.
http://webdiscover.ru/v/22301
The captain hacked all the pumps at full capacity, but the rats still ran from the ship.

Allegory is an allegorical depiction of an abstract concept or phenomenon through a concrete image; personification of human properties or qualities.

[really]

So basically it happens, the brains go to work where they pay more, all other things being equal and normal.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The statement seems to be true. But how then in the Union were able to create rockets and fly into space if you did not pay in bucks and there were no talented top managers? That is an insoluble mystery! Where did the talented fanatic engineers who did not graduate from foreign institutions come from in the Union !?

[really]

If the borders are locked, then where will they leave, and if you shove them around in sharashka, then you won’t go anywhere. But as soon as

[Venya Selnikov]

The USSR was a closed, closed system. And the time was different ...
You need to think about the present and future.
Now the world is open to specialists (and this is wonderful), and the most intelligent ones from the university bench can choose not only the region, but also the country of application of their forces.
What's bad about it?
If you want to work only with those who want to work only for Russia, regardless of other conditions, it is possible, but there are not many of them.
Russia wants to keep its specialists at home - it needs to offer better conditions. And the best conditions are, of course, not only money.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And the best conditions are, of course, not only money.

Then I agree. Moral incentive is also a powerful factor! My wallet is thicker, the car is cooler, my wife has more boobs! In the system of capitalism, egoism is cultivated. I am the most. most! It seems good. But often you have to play for a team or team. But how to play for a team if the quotient is higher than the total? Although I agree that playing in a team with a single leadership can achieve more. In the Union, private was crossed with the common, and rightly so. My street, my city, my team, my factory, my sports team! Socialism must be returned! Capitalism is all crap and crap! We ourselves cannot! We have all the bad stuff! The neighbor is better! With such a psychology, we will soon move to the caves!

[Venya Selnikov]

Why so exaggerate the form of capitalism that now exists in the West, in the same USA? This is far from that wild form of Victorian capitalism, to which we, in Russia, IMHO, are much closer than they are. Alas.
The USA is able (as a system) to work not only with the private, but also with the public.
And very successful and productive.
In space alone, they spend billions every year on scientific programs, the results of which are available to the whole world. And who in the world is doing more (in the field of science in space) them? I don’t know such countries, you know. For a person interested in science in space, it is a pleasure to “walk” on NASA websites. A sea of ​​information, everything is structured, high quality. And we have open scientific results from Roscosmos in comparison with them - a rolling ball.

[Lycan]

We not only can, but also offer. And these brains are likely working (indirectly, of course) against us, increasing the scientific potential of competitors. You'd better ask - why can't we offer them "final products"? (engines, as an exception and resources will not be considered)
I will answer right away: because we give away the brilliant brains of ̶п̶р̶о̶д̶а̶ё̶м̶ (by disruption to a decent salary) just to them. And why should they buy the final product if the brains they bought come up with the same product there with the full support of local contractors? ...

[Jack O'Neill]

Well then it's the finish, if we can only sell brains.
Do you understand this?

[Lycan]

Understand. But I’m exaggerating. Of course, many brains are arranged at home (for various reasons), but the salary and bosses (managerial) conditions in which you have to live and work need to be improved, otherwise the prestige of scientific, engineering, teaching, medical, and other underestimated activities will decrease, reducing and the culture of such important areas. But to develop them - not so fast, but necessary. And beyond the hill - no, no, but there are vacancies.

[Jack O'Neill]

Beyond the hillock, the brains are also treated more responsibly, trying to increase them.

[Fan-fan]

What does it mean to sell brains? Are we selling people? Yes, people with brains themselves run there, run away from hopelessness and hopelessness here, because they want to get a decent salary for their work, not a penny.

[Lycan]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Yes, people with brains themselves run there, run from hopelessness and hopelessness here

Yes, I made a reservation, we do not sell, but we give.

[Venya Selnikov]

Quote: Lycan

Quote: Fan-Fan

Yes, people with brains themselves run there, run from hopelessness and hopelessness here

Yes, I made a reservation, we do not sell, but we give.

There is no need to think in such terms of "giving" at all.
People are not goods, and not objects, they themselves go where they believe that they will be better. And it is right and good.
In the modern world, you just need to create long-term conditions for you - to be better than "there". And people themselves will stay, and even from other countries will begin to come, so only have time to choose the best.

[Lycan]

Quote: Venya Selnikov

they themselves go where they think they will be better

Here you have 2 communicating vessels with liquid connected by a tube. You, for example, need to organize the transfusion of liquid (or parts of it) into the required vessel (possessing the necessary volume). What are we doing? We provide increased pressure in the resource vessel and air bleeding in the receiving vessel.
So it is with people (and with governments) in the countries of the 3rd world: in their regions we provide social services. instability with pom. internal agents, puppet free leaders, radical fundamentalists, arts. international, interracial, interreligious squabbles ... But in contrast - there are lands of the SGA, west / north / center. Europe is a zone of stable life, where special agencies distribute fresh deliveries of "those who think that it is better here", questioning the level of education and experience in the specialty and, possibly, offering options to prominent specialists. Some, of course, can stand on their own, but there are not many of them.

Quote: Venya Selnikov

In the modern world, you just need to create long-term conditions for you - to be better than "there".

Of course you need. But oh oh how notjust. To do this, you need to raise the welfare of citizens to an acceptable level, providing a decent salary relative to the price level of goods and services (purchasing power). This is not every country will pull. Here I look at the pensions of ordinary workers, plowing for the benefit of the motherland, but at the initial retirement age ... the question immediately arises - How adequately (and not beggarly) to survive in retirement? Well, the conclusions are appropriate.

[Leonid Batsura]

What brains? They (USA) don't need any brains. The USA spent $ 30 billion and almost 10 years of time on the Constellation program. Scientists (brains) were involved in the work. The "brains" came to the conclusion that during the implementation of the Apollo program not a single problem of a manned flight to the Moon was solved and that for the foreseeable period (then it was 2040 - now 2060) the United States will not be able to create the technical means that will allow send people to the moon and return them safely to Earth. What brains? - from them in corruption schemes only losses. Homotsifra people went. This is supposedly the post of homosapiens. In reality, this is a throwback to Neanderthals. Corn before Arkhangelsk was much more productive. Try to sense if the dreamers of the digital economy are like the Angerthals ??? Homotsifra actually came from Ellochka the Ogre. Who she crossed with is unknown ...

[210ox]

I do not understand. What does the Reagan SOI and the exploration of the Kennedy Moon have to do with it?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Rogozin probably believes that our academics believed in the SDI program. Although in reality they proposed a very real and inexpensive way to deal with orbiting satellites. A bucket of fractions is put into orbit and all the satellites become like a sieve! That's the whole race in the SOI program! Against expensive satellites a penny! In terms of the exploration of the moon. If Americans already have experience flying back and forth, let them fly on! Could fly in the era of lamp appliances !? What are the problems then today? And if we talk about cooperation with the states, it’s better not to! They themselves have already flown to the moon, but for some reason the orbital station is cohabiting! Therefore, we better arrange races in space with the Americans! Based on past experience, it will be better for everyone. And there they can economically tear them in space.

[A.TOR]

[quote economically tear them in space] [/ quote]
Is this a joke or are you really going to bust Musk and Bezos. And the State is "theirs" in some way

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Are you really going to bust Mask and Bezos?

We must set high goals! Or is Russia weak? When they set high goals, then the rivers could turn back, split the atom, and launch the satellite! Well, when they came down to the desires of sausages and toilet paper, then regression came! So what?! Will we fight or surrender (if we have not already surrendered)? Judging by the fact that we drink Bavarian and drive a BMW-surrendered! And it is a fact! The Germans do not go to the Muscovites and do not drink Zhigulevskoe! On the internet, of course, there are videos where in Germany they demonstrate the packaging of Zhigulevsky! I'm talking about the desires of the Germans.

[A.TOR]

Or is Russia weak?

Russia is weak.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

A bucket of fractions is put into orbit and all the satellites become like a sieve!

That's it, that's ALL. And that would be the end of space exploration in general.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And that would be the end of space exploration in general.

Yeah! And chemical, bacteriological, nuclear weapons is the beginning of life on Earth !?

[Leonid Batsura]

You can agree with a friend 100%. However, who took the US to the moon? Hold on tight - not NASA. It has nothing to do with it. She is clean. The fact that the Apollonauts stomp on the moon above our heads until 1972 was the star of TsNIIMash. He even released the Apollo program in two parts (as of July 1968 and July 1971). Pay attention to the sources of information - no information from NASA. And then what? And the American aerospace BOULEVARD. These sources have sunk into oblivion, and the "Apollo Program" in two parts has not been posted on the Internet. And since 1973, Americans to the Moon (after the last "flight" to the Moon), the USSR Academy of Sciences, the USSR Civil Code of Science and technology, VNIIti. This is already the so-called work of II Shuneiko. It was Brezhnev who took him in 1973 (June 16-24) to the USA to Nixon. "Dear Richard, do not hesitate, your USA flew to the moon, flew. Here is the approving signature of the theorist of Soviet cosmonautics in the rank of President of the USSR Academy of Sciences "

[Thrall]

Quote: 210ox

I do not understand. What does the Reagan SOI and the exploration of the Kennedy Moon have to do with it?

And I still did not understand when the USSR was copying the American SOI

[Vadim237]

When he created the Skif laser battle station - but they did not put it into the calculated orbit.

[Sklendarka]

But what about- ,, ... space maps are tucked into the tablets ... "?,
or you still have to read "Dunno on the Moon".
It's a shame, panimash ...

[Svarog]

We should not jerk in the way that, unfortunately, the Soviet Union once reacted to the strategic defense initiative, when tremendous money was actually thrown at a fantastic idea, which, as a result, was not realized.

Rogozin has already folded his legs to the top and is not going to twitch at all. Enormous money was thrown into the development of science, the space program pulled hundreds of related enterprises and science as a whole. And if you don’t twitch, then we’ll sit on oil until it ends and degrade to African countries .. Millet and oil and gas are all of them.

[poquello]

Quote: Svarog

Enormous money was thrown into the development of science, the space program pulled hundreds of related enterprises and science as a whole.

What attracted the space program? I somehow assumed that the military program was pulling the space

[Doliva63]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Svarog

Enormous money was thrown into the development of science, the space program pulled hundreds of related enterprises and science as a whole.

What attracted the space program? I somehow assumed that the military program was pulling the space

It would be more correct to say that these were parallel programs

[poquello]

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: poquello

Quote: Svarog

Enormous money was thrown into the development of science, the space program pulled hundreds of related enterprises and science as a whole.

What attracted the space program? I somehow assumed that the military program was pulling the space

It would be more correct to say that these were parallel programs

no, it’s not correct, p7 was created for delivery of 10 thousand thermonuclear charge, on its versions went the satellite, Laika and Gagarin

[sniperino]

Quote: poquello

I somehow assumed that the military program was pulling the space

Of course, the arms race contributed to the development of the scientific and economic potential of the USSR. If the competition between the two systems at this point did not force the best brains of skilled workers to win the race, as before in preparation for the Great Patriotic War, with the wise Gosplan without internal competition, we would not have gone far in one social competition.

[Sergey39]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Well, Rogozin is right.

Rogozin is right, but mastering with the Americans will be cheaper for the Americans. And now they, with their statements about the Moon, are mastering the budget of the election campaign. We do not need such allies!

[Gogia]

Americans do not plan to build a NASA office worth billions of dollars in central Washington ... They can count money, even though they have much more.

[AUL]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

But to master along with the Americans, it is much cheaper, and in both directions. So we need to cooperate!

As the experience of the ISS has shown, equitable cooperation with the Americans does not work. And to be in their grasp for their own money is not inspiring. Better with the Indians or the Chinese, but on strictly agreed terms!

[Svarog]

Quote from AUL

Better with the Indians or the Chinese, but on strictly agreed terms!

Things are not going smoothly with Indians and Chinese either .. especially with Indians We ourselves need to simply shorten the yachts .. The USSR managed to do it all on its own, and also feed the floor of the world ..

[slipped]

Quote: Svarog

Things are not going smoothly with Indians and Chinese either .. especially with Indians

Everything is normal in our space with the Indians - now in the CPC, under the auspices of the Glavkosmos, four Indians are being trained.

And with the Chinese, everything is in order with us - the group on the moon is working.

[Vadim237]

He fed half the world at the expense of his own, and he bought tens of millions of tons from the USA and Canada - and do not rub garbage about the fact that this grain was fodder because cattle and other cattle do not eat one grain.

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

He fed half the world at the expense of his own, and he bought tens of millions of tons from the USA and Canada - and do not rub garbage about the fact that this grain was fodder because cattle and other cattle do not eat one grain.

in this example, you rub it yourself, the bourgeoisie planted on the canadian grain of the USSR, it turned out cheaper "battle for the harvest"

[Vadim237]

Of course, the bourgeoisie of the USSR planted grain purchases abroad - but by no means did anyone in their plan of Nichrome manage the needs of the whole country like the CX. Go to your grandmothers on the bench and tell them they absorb such nonsense.

[slipped]

Quote from AUL

As the experience of the ISS has shown, equitable cooperation with the Americans does not work.

On the ISS between Russia and the USA equitable cooperation.

[Snail N9]

Judging by how quickly all educational institutions are "optimized" in terms of reducing, and the number of churches and other religious institutions is growing, I believe more in such a completion of the Russian space program:

[AML]

And why not. The ocean is 80% unstudied.

[slipped]

Quote: Snail N9

I believe in such an end to the Russian space program

Well, yes, the main thing is to believe, and not to see the facts. And sketch photojacks.

[Motorist]

Snitch, your pictures are repeated. Is that all there is on the Internet on this topic ?! "It's all bullshit, Misha - let's do it again ... Nobody will give money ..." (c)

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

we need to cooperate!

First, - what for us? And secondly - with whom? With the authors of "wonderful" ideas and semantic constructions like "it's all the Russians are to blame", "Russian hackers", "we will not finance the cart", "are we withdrawing from the" open skies "agreement" and so on?
Yes, a deep thought, a person with a wealth of life experience ...

[Jack O'Neill]

Well, kindergarten, well.
And so what if "it's all the Russians to blame"? And if I tell you that it is you who are to blame?
I also drive many people at work, but this does not stop me from working with them.
Funny, isn't it? Interesting...
As the saying goes: "they thought it up themselves, they believed it themselves."

[Ded_Mazay]

So i say

Yes, a deep thought, a person with a wealth of life experience ..

At your work, you can at least perform an earstand, it does not interest anyone. But then. that the United States has largely lost its negotiability is an established fact. Take, for example, the "open skies" agreement, which they buried on a whim just the other day.

[Snail N9]

The United States has largely lost its contractibility - this is a fait accompli.

They "negotiate" with the strong and influential, and different types of "addicts" are simply presented with a fact and / or punished for disobedience ....

[Ded_Mazay]

Well, over there, China was presented with the "fact" that it owes a coronavirus.
It will be interesting to see how the headquarters will punish him. .

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Well, Rogozin is right. Americans can afford a lot more, in view of the fact that more money is corny.

Not everything is decided by money alone. On such a tip of human (the whole Earth) technology, people are needed first of all, not money. If there is no brainy genius, no matter how much money you throw, there will be no special effect.
Korolev confirms.

[st25310]

It is necessary to place public service announcements on the salary cards of our deputies and officials, such as "do not steal", and the hungry eyes of kids, etc.

[smart ass]

It is written that a lot has been done in 2 years ... that's what exactly was done in Roskosmos to keep up to date?

[ultra]

Renamed the Federation to Orel.

[Genry]

Quote: ultra

Renamed the Federation to Orel.

Firstly, they realized that he was not needed. There is no need to launch more than 3 people into space. But the avatar of Fyodor is really lacking there - just make him have monkey legs .....

[astepanov]

The main thing is to put "effective blowers" wherever possible. Those who are trained to suck money. Into myself and with pretense. And then we will overcome everyone, no doubt.
What the fuck is the moon? The unfortunate "Federation" (sorry, "Eagle") has been building for three decades - and complete constipation. Not a single deep space launch in over thirty years. There is hardly enough energy to maintain the glonass system. Even Cosmonautics Day was shyly hushed up, because achievements are not just zero - they are negative. Of course, there is no money. There is no money for anything: neither for machine-tool building, nor for education, nor for free high-quality medicine, nor retirement, what kind of space is there ... Only for temples. Until there are two churches for every Russian, they will be built, and then, probably, they will begin to rebuild. For there is no power, if not from God. Now everyone will blame the epidemic: they say, if not for it, they would have already overtaken everyone, they would spread butter on lard, and on top - black caviar. Figs there, what kind of oil is there if the blowjobs have not yet pumped.

[smart ass]

Bet better effective lawyers, what are you getting to the bottom of managers? Oh yes, we have a lawyer at the head of state !!!! This is about the same as forcing a surgeon to repair an elevator)

[keeper03]

Yes, Soviet engineer destroyed, but stamped Russian lawyers, managers, economists! Now we are reaping the benefits ...

[Bar1]

Dmitry Rogozin said in this regard that Russia does not intend to copy the American program for the exploration of the moon. He believes that the Soviet Union had already made a similar mistake when it decided to repeat the US Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) program, unofficially called the Star Wars program:

what nonsense?
Moon exploration is one program, and Star Wars is another program. Let's not do one because it is bad in another?
Pin_dos on the moon weren’t clear to everyone except Rogozin, but the Soviet military Skif laser can be completely renewed now.

[Interlocutor]

So we already cooperate at the international station. Already kiss the gums.

[Civil]

Rogozin digs the curves like a gnome, normal heroes always go around.

[GMM]

We will not repeat the moon exploration program for the Americans

We will fly in the sun! And so that our cosmonauts do not burn out, we will fly at night!

[Piramidon]

Rogozin: We will not repeat the moon exploration program for the Americans

That is, we will not order filming in Hollywood, will we use Mosfilm? Who else would explain to me, popularly (I’m so stupid that I don’t understand), why the hell do we need this moon? On Earth and in the country, is everything all right and arranged, or is there nowhere to put money?

[Jack O'Neill]

If our descendants did not come out of the water, then we would not be there, or we would swim and eat algae.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

If our descendants did not come out of the water, then we would not be there, or we would swim and eat algae.

Where did you put it and it's called verbiage. And he did not give an answer to a specific question - "why has this Moon surrendered to us now?"

[Jack O'Neill]

Everything is simple - development!
See how the first Earth satellite boosted us! And imagine a modern world without a satellite.
This is material science,
and technology, etc.

[astepanov]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

If our descendants did not come out of the water, then we would not be there, or we would swim and eat algae.

Are you confusing anything? This is when and whose descendants came out of the water? My descendants, of course, came out of the amniotic fluid, but why did you decide that I exist only thanks to this event?

[Jack O'Neill]

Where did the mammals come from? Or do you think that mammals at the click of a finger appeared?

[astepanov]

Uncle, you do not know much about biology. Mammals did not emerge from the water, but not all entered it, however, not all: seal whales, for example. The remaining mammals on land appeared and live on land. And amphibians came out of the water. If you believe that amphibians are our descendants, then you are mistaken. Yours - maybe, but for me they are distant ancestors, not descendants.

[Jack O'Neill]

So where did the mammals come from? Not from the first amphibians (stegocephals)?
Just imagine, two fish swim, Petya and Vasya. Vasya is like this: To sing, let's go out and see what kind of land there is?
Petya answers: well, shaw, well, shaw, will we do it there? Why do we need this? Let's better swim to Natasha.
The end!

Yes, in this situation, a person would not have appeared, not in the form in which we are now.

[astepanov]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

where did the mammals come from? Not from the first amphibians (stegocephals)?

Venerable, from the amphibians went reptiles. You better explain with what hangover you decided that we are the ancestors of frogs?

Quote: Jack O'Neill

If our descendants would not come out of the water

Did you write this? That's what EG brings to!

[Interlocutor]

Well, ours from Aldebaran flew in, yours came out of the water ......

[donavi49]

Well, the Portuguese king Juan also thought about the same. What a trip overseas. You look where to squander state money. Still yards and castles are not rebuilt. NECESSARY!

But then he regretted it very much. True, he was able to make a fuss, catch up and grab half of the open (although all the gold, silver, resources and trade routes went to the Spaniards).

[poquello]

Quote: donavi49

Well, the Portuguese king Juan also thought about the same. What a trip overseas. You look where to squander state money. Still yards and castles are not rebuilt. NECESSARY!
But then he regretted it very much.

and history doesn’t know empty campaigns?

[novel66]

Mongols ... and Tatars ...

[Lycan]

The moon, in fact, is such a good testing ground for assimilating life support technologies. That is to say - a step in progress. Well, "everything is nailed down", and there are a lot of places for placement and supplies. Well, solar panels can be installed. Even some kind of production (out of boredom) to establish.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

At the national level, space costs seem to be small. You can certainly not explore space. And how then to develop new technologies? Or do we need to descend into the Stone Age? Won small Israel can launch a shell to the moon! But does Russia mean that it should be incapable? Russia has great distances. Theoretically, we should be in the lead of all branches of transport. Do we already need any transport? All to Moscow for permanent residence? With thoughts-Why do we need the Moon? -We will soon begin to plow so wooden plow!

[mark2]

And these screamers will be. One already advanced space power has become a great agricultural one. Fat is buying abroad.

[Fishery]

environmentally friendly, and with the approval of the patriarch and the boyars))))))

[Hog]

Much has been done during this time, and more needs to be done.

Rephrase it on the topic of the day.
During this time, much has been stolen, and even more to steal.

[Sklendarka]

Yes, you quickly decrypted it ...

[Voltsky]

Rogozin

uti-paths who got out of the spotlights :) The greatest top-manager of modernity, who promised a megawatt-class nuclear power plant, ship Orlan, Angara. In general, he promises great

[Alien From]

And not only promises, but also works hard ....... on the welfare of the people ...... only their own ......

[Voltsky]

Ear and Sonnu attached; Well, maybe they slander him, but somehow the constant zvizdets circling around him does not cause positive thoughts about this character. And his strange statements in the style of "trampolines" or "I will fly to the Tu-160 next time" ... It's all one bald man for me; a greater lover of corn and a killer of cockroaches reminds the sneakers on the podium of the UN.

[Not_invented]

Of course Rogozin is right. If you have been a world monopoly in manned launches for 10 years, earned extra profits, like any monopolist, had almost 70 percent of the launches market as a whole, and at the same time you could not earn money to create a new ship to replace the one developed in the USSR - yes, the American You won’t be able to copy the program, because there is clearly something wrong with you.

[Sergey39]

Quote: Not_invented

yes, you won’t be able to copy the American program,

And what program? To launch astronauts by Russian ships? Or a program for hanging noodles on the ears of the American electorate?

[Voltsky]

Quote: Sergey39

And what program? To launch astronauts by Russian ships? Or a program for hanging noodles on the ears of the American electorate?

You do not notice that the portfolio of orders decreased ?! The main thing is not how the goal is achieved, the main thing is that it is achieved; by dumping or rubbing the blizzard to the electorate, this is not particularly important. Formerly monopolist, losing ground

[K-612-O]

Even 9 years ago, it did not smell like a monopoly, but right now, over 9 years and 2 crises with the collapse of the dollar and ruble, has it fucked up awesome super-profits? Train

[Voltsky]

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what's this ? squandering is not a curse, it’s a disease !?!

Rogozin simply first promises to be heard publicly, and then sits in a puddle; Well, what the hell are you yelling for the whole world that we’ll do everything now and then zilch. Probably he either needs to reconsider his approaches, or he needs to be tapped on the cap to do more and less to shake.

[Not_invented]

Yes, we should at least have the one that they had to repeat fifty years ago, and I would have been happy about it.

[Voltsky]

Their program, now financially not profitable; too expensive. You would optimize the processes and technology in order to reduce the cost of services to the private sector; because they dump you and try to move you out of the market.
It’s not bad, of course, to stop rushing from one project to another, the number of fatal errors in the design process with the subsequent closure of the project, for which money was allocated and part has already been mastered, is bewildering.
Of the advantages from his leadership - only his promises of "mega-projects", with a constant shift in terms of law, or with the subsequent closure

[Not_invented]

I suppose you didn't want to call the promises of "mega-projects" pluses. So there are no pluses. A leader from whose management there are no results. Let us have less money in Roscosmos. So be it. Then choose a project that will definitely be commercially viable, invest all your resources in it. For example, a reusable rocket. We have been shouting in Russia for 15 years that it is not profitable. For some reason, now cargoes are carried on unprofitable Falcons, and profitable progress is produced in less and less quantities. I am not saying that you need to give up everything and rush to the moon. This is objectively beyond our means. I would like at least some commercially profitable projects. Anyone. So that space does not develop at the expense of subsidies from the Ministry of Defense for launching tracking satellites without other prospects.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Not_invented

You, I suppose, did not want to call the promises of "mega-projects" pluses. So no pluses

Work is still underway, and some project work is underway - but there is too much failure, and even more idle talk.

Quote: Not_invented

We have been shouted in Russia for 15 years that this is unprofitable. For some reason, now the goods are transported to the disadvantageous Falcon

Well, there dumping is not acidic at prices, and state support is squeezed out of the market (I wrote about this somewhere here)

To your next text, I have already burst out with my opinions and criticism towards this passenger

[5-9]

And what kind of superprofits did Roskosmos receive?
As of July 2019, NASA acquired 70 Soyuz seats worth $ 3,9 billion to transport American and partner astronauts to the station and back to Earth. "
This is revenue, what profit is unknown, but even if 30%, then for a lard with a small new ship (and what for it is new, if the old one flies well and if the rocket is old ???).
If the "American program" means Saturns and Apollo, then they (and the components of that program) and the United States and not 10 years, but more can not be copied ... even J-2 ... although rather the fact is that you cannot copy something , which only worked in the Kubrick Pavilion.
If the "American program" means that they are now bidding - then there is still nothing, and most likely it will not be in the near future, because in fact it is very difficult to fly to the moon .... Let the Americans fly to the ISS on their ship, yes for several years they fly without accidents.

[Not_invented]

In 2006, SpaceX became one of the winners of a competition held by NASA under the Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) program. Under the agreement, the company received about $ 396 million to complete the development and demonstration of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon ship (Wikipedia)

[5-9]

What does this rocket and truck have to do with manned flights? How many astronauts have been put into orbit on Dragon, and what kind of trouble is it with buying seats at the gas station Unions?
And by the way, in 2006 they received, but how many cargo Dragon and how many Progress flew to the ISS from 2010-2020?

[Not_invented]

I gave you an example that the profits from manned launches alone were enough to develop a pair of missiles and a ship, and this is in the States, where everything is more expensive, and by a private company without experience in such development. In 2010, more progress flew. In 2019, more Dragon flies flew.

[5-9]

If you really think that developing Falcon9 and Dragon alone cost $ 396 million, then I don’t see the point in the discussion ... but if you read your copy-paste again, you will find there
received about $ 396 million to complete Development of and demonstrations

By the way, what was promised there in 2012, how many years have myriads of American spacecraft been supposed to plow space in 2020? A manned ship with living people in the morning is not right for you ...

[donavi49]

how many freight Dragon and how many Progress flew to the ISS from 2010-2020?

Usually formed 3-3-2-1. 3-3 - Dragon, Progress. 2 swan. 1 kounotori.

However, for example, Kounotori usually delivers 6t immediately. A progress of 2,2t.

More specifically:
2019 - 3 Progress, 3 Dragon (+1 test, but he also brought supplies), 2 Swans and light Kounotori (5,3 tons in total, but he carried a lot of bulk cargo, experiments).

2018 - 3 Progress, 3 Dragon, 2 Swans and record heavy Kounotori 6280 kg payloads.

2017 - 3 Progress, 4 Dragon, 2 Swans, the Japanese did not fly.

2016 - 3 Progresses (only 2 flew by), 2 Dragon, 2 Swans and 6 tons of Kounotori.

Well, etc.

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

More specifically:
2019 - 3 Progress

To be more specific, the unmanned Soyuz MS-14 also worked for Progress MS in terms of the delivery of dry cargo.

In general, Progress MS is mainly about supplying the ISS RS with operational cargo.

[Disant]

nor was he able to earn money to create a new ship to replace the one developed in the USSR — yes, you won’t be able to copy the American program, because there is clearly something wrong with you.

is there something wrong with the "old" ship? The ship is being improved, the concept of building the main components of the ship is flawless, everything works like a clock.
Answer, what are the advantages created over the past thirty years of new ones already And created And any other not yet built designed ships?
And explain what you need to copy from the American program? What exactly?

[slipped]

Quote: Disant

is there something wrong with the "old" ship? The ship is being improved, the concept of building the main components of the ship is flawless, everything works like a clock.

The fact of the matter is that Soyuz MS is an excellent spacecraft for the ISS. And while the ISS is in orbit, the Soyuz will fly there. Only here the contingent is sharpened for something else - licking everything is not ours.

Quote: Disant

Answer, what are the advantages created over the past thirty years of new ones already And created And any other not yet built designed ships?

None at all Unless, if you manage to make a Dream Chaser - a kind of "under-spiral". Why "under"? But the concept of safety for the cosmonaut on Spiral was orders of magnitude steeper.

And Dream Chaser remained at the level of the shuttle - if something happens - everyone will die.

[rocket757]

Two years ago, Dmitry Rogozin headed the state-owned corporation Roscosmos. Much has been done during this time, and more needs to be done.

Trampolines striped sold or not?

[novel66]

space toilets

[rocket757]

This they would be happy to buy, but the ambition does not allow.

[novel66]

Vit, buy, I know for sure ..

[rocket757]

They can, but tycho, tycho! This is certainly not the case, sho "hunger is not aunt", but the matter is also extremely important!

[novel66]

even more important! here the article was gorgeous
https://topwar.ru/99530-o-proze-zhizni-v-missiyah-apollo.html
to urge.

[Vadim237]

They have already made their own trampolines as many as four all manned.

[rocket757]

A flag in their hands, God help them ....

[parusnik]

The head of Roskosmos said that now our country has its own lunar program, which is being implemented in stages.

... We will master the far side of the moon, so that no one would see ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

And at night we’ll fly, so that the skin on the rocket would not heat up.

[Sklendarka]

Well then, we will

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Will we explore the moon as the Far East? To all migrants on a free hectare of the moon? What if the sleepwalkers run to the earth from there?

[slipped]

Quote: parusnik

.We will master the back of the moon so that no one would see ...

Especially for those "who have not seen" I show one of the stages from the Department of Nuclear Planetology of the Institute for Space Research RAS:

These are water ice concentration maps as a percentage of the mass of soil in the northern (left) and southern (right) near-polar region of the moon, constructed according to the Russian LEND instrument from the orbit of the moon in 2018.

The next stage is landing in one of the areas indicated here with a high concentration of ice AMS Luna-25.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: slipped

The next stage is landing in one of the areas indicated here with a high concentration of ice AMS Luna-25.

I have areas in the North Pole area. Small - 70 ha. The place is nice, picturesque, near the Plato crater. At a depth of 1 m, the temperature is only -35 C. I have been on Earth in places where it will be colder. So, decide to fly, contact. Say that with VO. I’ll accept as relatives.

[slipped]

Quote: A. Privalov

I have areas in the North Pole area.

No, we are flying to the South Pole, in the crater of Boguslavsky.

Potential landing sites:

[A. Privalov]

Quote: slipped

No, we are flying to the South Pole, in the crater of Boguslavsky.

Well, fly next time. The invitation remains valid. Here are the coordinates for landing.

[Servisinzhener]

Dmitry Olegovich, what about the Federation ship? Would you like to tell us ahead of the launch of Crew Dragon which will be in 2 days? Something, based on the plans for a new Russian spacecraft, it seems that it is being created according to the concept of Haji Nasredin.

Roscosmos is considering the possibility of creating a winged manned spacecraft that will fly to orbital stations. This was stated by the general director of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.
“Now the development of the manned program is connected precisely with the creation of space planes. The United States is conducting trials, such work is being done. We have an idea for a new manned spacecraft in the interests of an orbital station of the same plan ”

- I would venture to suggest that a "fatal flaw" was discovered in the "Federation". And those who previously created "Clipper" discovered it.
I was initially skeptical about Rogozin's outrageous criticism that was here from the very beginning of his arrival at Roskosmos. And he was inclined to think: Let the person figure out what and how. But two years is more than enough time. Let me remind you that the decision to build the Soyuz spacecraft was made in April 62, and the first unmanned launch took place in November 66. And this is without modern machining centers and design systems.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Servisinzhener

I would venture to suggest that a "fatal flaw" was discovered in the "Federation". And it was discovered by those who previously created "Clipper"

very similar to that.

[Sklendarka]

And why, to call the yacht "Clip r Federation" sounds !!!

[slipped]

Quote: Skalendarka

And why, to call the yacht "Clip r Federation" sounds !!!

Marie Ivanna, and Vovochka called me a bad word ... VO rolls into kindergarten.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And this is without modern machining centers and design systems.

Accounting accounts, slide rule and Felix arithmometer turned out to be cooler than modern computers! Even managed to count the salary in the accounts on time and the difference from the current computers! Can we invest in computer technology in vain? After all, the speed of creating products has fallen sharply! At this pace, we will soon be unable to create anything at all!

[Sklendarka]

How you lagged behind life. Today, money is considered a dump truck, and you are talking about a calculator ...

[Disant]

Dmitry Olegovich, what have we got there with the ship "Federation"

I for him:
where are you going to fly on it and for what purpose? Union is not enough for you? Are there not enough places at all? A line in the sky lined up? Or did someone in the world invent new engines based on new physical principles in order to break away from Earth cheaper?

[Servisinzhener]

Stake the moon and Mars. Yes, now it is an extremely expensive undertaking without practical application. Now. But who knows what will happen next, in 100 years. And even less. Russia had such missed opportunities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. As was the case with California and Alaska. 7 years after the sale of possessions in California and 30 years from the sale of Alaska, gold is found there. Kuwait, which at the end of the 19th century requested under the Russian protectorate - why do we need a desert, what's the use of it. A desert in which 13,98 billion tons of proven oil reserves. (in Russia for the same 2013 was 12,74 billion tons).
When they make new engines, it turns out that everything is already divided.

[Disant]

Stake the moon and Mars. Yes, now it is an extremely expensive undertaking without practical application. Now. But who knows what will happen next, in 100 years. And even less.

I understood you.
done by
1) I just looked through the telescope at the Moon, discovered a microcrater on the surface of the Moon, assigned him a number and, with my internal sofa decree, declared the area around it within a radius of one hundred km - my private property.
2) all lunar Soviet vehicles and landing sites within a radius of 200 km from them by decree number 2 are declared the property of the Russian Federation.
3) the above decrees are announced publicly, publicly. The coordinates of the crater are indicated in a secret addition.
The collision is over. Signature
.
so okay? mind you, it was cheap - a little of my time.
What's next?
.

[slipped]

Quote: Servisinzhener

Dmitry Olegovich, what about the Federation ship? Would you like to tell us ahead of the launch of Crew Dragon which will be in 2 days?

This is what you need to be in order to turn to Rogozin here? But I will answer for him, it’s not difficult for me.

Quote: Servisinzhener

Something based on plans for a new Russian spacecraft, it seems that it is created according to the concept of Hadji Nasredin.

Is on? You have elections on the nose and urgently need the Moon with a flag stick like Trump?

In order for the new ship to fly, it needs to build a new Amur space rocket complex. And according to it, the entire construction is going on "Vostochny", even ahead of schedule in some positions:

The launch of the first layout in the year 2023.

Quote: Servisinzhener

I would venture to suggest that a "fatal flaw" was discovered in the "Federation". And those who previously created "Clipper" discovered it.

Past

Quote: Servisinzhener

Let me remind you that the decision to build the Soyuz spacecraft was made in April 62, and the first unmanned launch took place in November 66. And this is without modern machining centers and design systems.

You are confusing completely different ships. The 7 9K-11K-1962K Soyuz is not the 7 1966K-OK Soyuz, and in turn this is not the 7 Soyuz-T 1979K-S.

And the level of the "Union" and the PTK NP are different - these are devices for different tasks.

[Vadim237]

In terms of competing with the West, such dates in the 60s were not surprising, but the technique was weak in reliability and the astronauts died - now we do not have that pace in the competition for this and we are doing it slowly but reliably.

[Voltsky]

In 2015, Interfax reported that 5 billion rubles were stolen during the construction of the Vostochny Cosmodrome. In April 2015 and October 2017, the builders of the Vostochny Cosmodrome went on hunger strike because of wage arrears

Here is his main accomplishment. if this happens at your enterprise; then a question arises for you as a leader, you either didn’t notice the imbecile, or you’re in share.

[Servisinzhener]

If you go back to the time of the beginning of the Soviet missile program, then events would develop like that. By decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the creation of a cosmodrome began. Comrade Rogozin was appointed responsible. Money spent is unknown where. Workers are hungry. The spaceport is not built on time. Sentence of the military collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. Comrade Rogozin was shot.

[Voltsky]

Tell Litvinov about the executions, and this is under the brutal Stalin.

[Brancodd]

Winnie, so for clarification. Dmitry Rogozin headed Roscosmos 24.05.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. The construction of the second stage on Vostochny is on schedule, with a slight lead. All payments for settlement with contractors go through the treasury.

[Voltsky]

but he’s been talking for a long time :) over there, he’s quite quietly working, many people don’t even know who he is heading. although I emphasize in red not wherever I went through it in this topic I was absolutely right, but no one pulled his tongue either :)

[Brancodd]

Well, you do not know who headed Rosatom and is now in charge. Speak for yourself. For example, tell me, I made a mistake with my red pencil when I linked Rogozin with thefts in the east 2015-12017. And it doesn't turn out beautifully. It turns out, as it were, to say more delicately that it is you who are "fluttering" ...

[Voltsky]

no, here I correctly linked him with this scam; he missed it and overlooked it, if you didn’t notice that your wife was instructing you - then you’re the fool, or if you prefer “naive lover”
You chose people who will follow this, it was you who invited them, it was you who made a mistake in their choice ... The only guilty party is fortune, evil rock
ps
I know who leads Rosatom if that, not graying dadka :)

[Brancodd]

Well, Rogozin was choosing the second turn of the eastern contractors. And he is personally responsible for this second turn. So let's look at the result. And with the first stage, the story was different. And other people chose contractors. As for control, the new leadership of Roscosmos in the UK transferred materials about theft. On their basis, dozens (about a hundred) of criminal cases were initiated. Quite influential characters did not like it. Mamutu, for example. The information resources under his control began the corresponding work. This is lenta.ru, rambler. Among their publications you will not find a single positive about Roskosmos and not only. About any achievement of Rosatom, VPK. But Roscosmos, at the tip of the pen. It is curious, for example, in 2012-2016, Roscosmos was not subjected to such attacks, although it was in a coma

[Voltsky]

Quote: Brancodd

Well, Rogozin was choosing the second turn of the eastern contractors.

Ripe, yet they thought that construction is the most transparent type of activity; and it’s what it’s like ... how it was, "it never happened and now again"

Quote: Brancodd

Quite influential characters did not like it.

this is normal - no one likes it, excessive attention when you stick to the state feeder, and they take you for a wet udder.

Quote: Brancodd

Among their publications you will not find a single positive about Roskosmos and not only.

I have a different mindset, I look at the numbers, but I also don’t miss the publications of those in charge; balabolil-get and sign

Quote: Brancodd

About any achievement of Rosatom, VPK. But Roscosmos, at the tip of the pen. It is curious, for example, in 2012-2016.

It’s a normal practice, competitors entered the cashier’s office, and we generously pour shit on those we paid for.

Quote: Brancodd

It is curious, for example, in 2012-2016, Roscosmos was not subjected to such attacks, although it was in a coma

Now he is there, until Dmitry is quieter outside, and more active inside

[Voltsky]

added:
he wants recognition, I understand that he supervised the "OPK" at one time; perhaps some of the things that are now in the army are his merit. Vanity is not good, especially when you sincerely desire it - it repels people.

[Shahno]

And for some reason it seemed to me? Why not repeat, change the orbit, sit in another square ....

[Shahno]

Quote: K-612-O

I'm afraid to ask, what do you know about our lunar program? What devices are being built and developed, launch dates, media type? What is the concept at all?
And by the way, you can cram into someone, of course, but looking at China, which so far has only been able to copy Soviet space, this is not a progressive matter.
And about the decay and all the rest of the above, it’s for you in MK or Echo.

I'm afraid they’ll beat me now. But even the Israeli lunar program is more successful ... The satellite then ended up on the Moon in the end ...

[mark2]

You agree on how he ended up there. The Jews collected something with a transmitter, but how was it delivered there?

[milestone]

Mr. Rogozin, apparently, covers up the weakness of the national cosmonautics, as it is now fashionable to do now, with the "mistakes" of the Soviet Union. Where was the Soviet cosmonautics and where are we?

[Pvi1206]

the philosopher should not lead the Cosmos ...

[7,62x54]

Dunno will help the moonstone. Trampoline is not modern.

[Freedim]

(C)

Here we are ... So what? ...

[Shahno]

Quote: mark2

You agree on how he ended up there. The Jews collected something with a transmitter, but how was it delivered there?

And I agree. Our experts ... Material resources are not ours. Our connections, and the money is not ours ...
Well, something with a transmitter is not able to get to the surface. What are you speaking about.

[Trickster]

All right, comrade says, you need to give an asymmetric answer to the American printing press.

[Brancodd]

To build any plans, even a very modest resource is needed. Including financial. Now the annual budget of Roscosmos is $ 3 billion. In 2016, Medvedev cut him 2 times. With these funds, several programs are developed that must be completed. This is the construction of the east, Soyuz5, Angara. Do not forget about the program of the Ministry of Defense. There is very little left for scientific research and promising developments. If society as a whole is ready to redirect some of the resources to the development of the space program, then the range of tasks can be expanded.

[APASUS]

Why not copy it? Yes and it will not be expensive

[Clueless]

Yes, no where we will not fly, because these Rogozins and other abominations will then already be retired. Now their work can only be promised.

[kenig1]

You shouldn’t be so, Rogozin is a talented journalist (irony).

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Well, Rogozin is right. Americans can afford a lot more, in view of the fact that more money is corny.
But to master along with the Americans, it is much cheaper, and in both directions. So we need to cooperate!

We already have experience working with Americans. At least during the Second World War.
You should stay away from such an employee. Not to interfere with their work, but also not to allow them to come to you. Own station, own program of space exploration and the lunar surface. With Mars we can wait.

[Pavel73]

Well, in principle, having your own orbital station, fly to the moon with the Americans, why not? They flew with us to Mir, together with us they made the ISS. And they were not at all shy, and did not consider themselves flawed. I see nothing bad if Russian cosmonauts fly with the American ones to the moon.

[Klingon]

first, Mr. Rogozin will have to publicly apologize for the trampoline and chew his tie. And then yes, you can fly

[Pavel73]

The trampoline was intended for domestic consumption, and everyone is well aware of this. There in America for domestic consumption they still don’t say that about us. And we don’t chew ties, this is the lot of Limitrophs.

[Venya Selnikov]

You will be surprised, but abroad they even read our news sites and forums. There is no "domestic consumption" now, this is just nonsense. There is public and non-public. Rogozin will speak out publicly and to the whole world.
And statements that come from a senior official in the Russian space industry are taken (and remembered) quite seriously. Also, as if they were expressed by the head of NASA (but he is not so stupid as to say this). And, if you think that they do not know how to read the mood between our Russian lines - it’s also not worth it ... they all understand perfectly. I on reddit and nasaspaceflight more than once crossed with those who say that lately you can’t deal with Russians because of their statements in the direction of the United States, regardless of the fact that it can and is profitably purely for money.

[military_cat]

Quote: Pavel73

The trampoline was intended for domestic consumption, and everyone is well aware of this.

Quite the contrary, Rogozin’s words are taken seriously there: https://spacenews.com/40547rogozin-calls-for-ban-on-us-military-use-of-rd-180/

You do not remember this, because it was May 2014, then everyone was expecting that now we were about to get to Kiev, and then to Washington, and such statements did not seem to be an important part of the agenda.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Servisinzhener

If you go back to the time of the beginning of the Soviet missile program, then events would develop like that. By decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the creation of a cosmodrome began. Comrade Rogozin was appointed responsible. Money spent is unknown where. Workers are hungry. The spaceport is not built on time. Sentence of the military collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. Comrade Rogozin was shot.

Anyone can write nonsense.
If you go back in time, then there would be no independents of different ukrofashists. The factories of Dnepropetrovsk would rivet rockets, make new projects, Kazakhstan did not bother with ecology and earning dough, Estonians sculpted electronics, and proud Georgians worked in the mines of Rustavi. The KGB generals would not have accumulated tons of their homes in the apartments of their father-in-law. The Attorney General would not protect the underground gambling business. you, if only he leaned out on the Internet, would be put in 15 minutes for 10 years without the right to correspondence.
And everyone would be in business. Peoples would be resettled for the past, future, and present. A new and more devastating collapse of the country would be forged by crazy projects, the organization of mismanagement, postscripts and general indifference.
Read the Strugatsky.
“If you were given the opportunity to improve the world, what would you change?” Don Rumat asks Budach.
- Nature is perfect. Why improve what is reasonable.
“Would you like to give advice to God now?”
- God does not need advice.
- And still imagine. What would you ask for people?
- I would ask the Creator: give us bread, wine, meat, give us a roof and clothes, then need and contention will disappear.
“But the strong will again take their share from the weak.” And the weak will become as poor as they were.
“I will ask the Creator so that people do not rob each other of what is given to them.”
“But will it help?” If a person gets everything without making an effort, he will become lazy and indifferent.
- I will tell the Lord: arrange so that everyone loves his work and knowledge, so that wisdom becomes the main meaning of human existence.
“But that would mean wiping the human race off the face of the Earth and creating a new one.”
- Then, Lord, sweep us off the face of the Earth and create us in a new guise, peaceful and pure.

- I am convinced that evil is ineradicable. Each of the worlds has its own destiny and it is pointless to impose another. Therefore, it is wise to leave us as we are. I will ask God to give us the strength to find our way. "

This is about us.

[kenig1]

What Moon, Rogozin the bowels of the Sun plans to explore.

[Dazdranagon]

Found someone to compete with! About ... whether space, forget it all! It was a more advanced civilization! Now would catch up with India.

[Knell wardenheart]

A terrible person, and at the same time a great dreamer, populist and rubbish. He would not have promised better, but would have substantiated why the deadlines for space products are shifting us for decades ..

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Pavel73

Well, in principle, having your own orbital station, fly to the moon with the Americans, why not? They flew with us to Mir, together with us they made the ISS. And they were not at all shy, and did not consider themselves flawed. I see nothing bad if Russian cosmonauts fly with the American ones to the moon.

On what terms? On our ship, or on them? On a joint? How to match requirements and constructs? For what money? On them? But then we will lose the ability to steer our pieces of iron. On ours? Enough of opportunities? We will not be disgraced with terms? We will pay the penalty by transferring ownership of our iron to them. Not equal, not very equal opportunity. Make cogs on your penny? Then we will ask for the opportunity to twist them from a rich EMPLOYEE.
When we flew together in the Soyuz-Apollo program, a very ancient version of the ship was made specially for this program (by TODAY standards). At the training, the Americans were swollen with laughter, unless IT flies, like. I myself noticed that BEFORE this flight, the television picture from orbit was almost like a real one, from a television studio. But when flying with amers. the image was again low-line and low-frame.
In order not to show them our achievements.

[kenig1]

It’s dangerous to fly with the Americans, they’ll still drill holes.

[Klingon]

if the Dragon starts the day after tomorrow and everything goes according to plan, it will be such a good scumbag to Mr. Rogozin, then he can publicly wipe his trampoline ... well, or as an alternative, eat your tie!
something like this .. you need to answer for the bazaar, uncle!

[Grading]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: poquello

no matter what he says, everything goes on as usual, but in general his words do not differ much from the process, adjusted for thick circumstances such as various sanctions and other bourgeois counteractions

In any case, bourgeois Musk is more preferable to me than bourgeois ragozin. One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

[pardonov]

Rogozin warned of an extraterrestrial threat This is reported by Rambler. The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin in an interview on the radio Komsomolskaya Pravda said that in the future, with a high degree of probability, Russia will be able to protect the Earth from "uninvited guests from space." It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/world/44238937/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[Vadim237]

A system for warning meteorite danger began to be developed in 2013, when a 17-meter meter exploded over Chelyabinsk since then 7 years have passed - and they have not created any system and just forgot about it.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

and they didn’t create any system, they just forgot about it.

This is not entirely true, the MASTER system of robotic telescopes was used to search for new, potentially dangerous objects. Read at your leisure what kind of network it is.

[DDT]

Rogozhin, go scared that they would call him a repeat pig?

[Revival]

Everything is simpler: we will not

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Klingon

if the Dragon starts the day after tomorrow and everything goes according to plan, it will be such a good scumbag to Mr. Rogozin, then he can publicly wipe his trampoline ... well, or as an alternative, eat your tie!
something like this .. you need to answer for the bazaar, uncle!

We will bark AFTER the flight.
To the good statistics of accident-free flights to them as to Mongolia on karachik. And a couple of five cases of successful salvation in an emergency, as we had.

[fider]

vkd.dvk
"... as it was with us."
And as many emergency ones?

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Grading

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: poquello

no matter what he says, everything goes on as usual, but in general his words do not differ much from the process, adjusted for thick circumstances such as various sanctions and other bourgeois counteractions

In any case, bourgeois Musk is more preferable to me than bourgeois ragozin. One rocket launches, and the other balabol trampoline.

The mask before our achievements takes years. And that is unlikely. We did NEW, and he came to everything ready.
I prefer any OUR, and those like you need to hang on birches, better, just two.

[Vadim237]

And what was he ready for - NASA did not have returnable first stages of methane rocket propeller fairings and reusable cargo and manned capsule ships.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: poquello

? Rogozin said that Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States.

if Ragozin did not say anything at all, then there would be more benefit from him.

If you were to go somewhere ...... me. then you would be of more use.

[Brancodd]

Well, in principle, I agree, it would be nice. Tired of crying Yaroslavna. According to the allocated funds, the current Roscosmos program looks realistic. The second launch pad in the East, Angara, Union 5. There is confidence that will be realized. By the way, for a year and 8 months - trouble-free. 34 launches successful. So let EKA with its burning Vegas get closer to this result, then we'll talk about efficiency. Such are the things.

[iouris]

Mania grandioso.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Pavel73

Well, in principle, having your own orbital station, fly to the moon with the Americans, why not? They flew with us to Mir, together with us they made the ISS. And they were not at all shy, and did not consider themselves flawed. I see nothing bad if Russian cosmonauts fly with the American ones to the moon.

Do you know the results of cooperation in World War II? If we were the same boorish then on an equal footing could. These uki turn everything out without a notion of honor and conscience.
So, giving them the opportunity, even in the smallest, is impossible.
Perform your program, and that's it.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: kenig1

What Moon, Rogozin the bowels of the Sun plans to explore.

Want to seem witty? Then be silent louder.

[slipped]

"Private trader" Branson of Virgin Orbit has a booster accident during the initial phase of the flight after starting the engine.

the experimental load was covered with a copper basin.

[Vadim237]

Looks like they hurried and did not check.

[tolmachiev51]

Dreamer-planner !!! Launch the Vostochny cosmodrome for a start !!!

[fif21]

Dima ! Moderate your appetites. Roskosmos is mastering billions, and the middle class in the country has an income of 17 tons. Cooperate with China, the EU, with a damn bald and live within your means. The budget will not pull your imagination.

[Cat]

Quote: fif21

Dima ! Moderate your appetites. Roskosmos is mastering billions, and the middle class in the country has an income of 17 tons. Cooperate with China, the EU, with a damn bald and live within your means. The budget will not pull your imagination.

It would be better if I handed out money to pensioners and made reliable roads to Moscow for NATO tanks ..)))) A familiar song of neoliberovs since 2000 x ..

[fif21]

Quote: Kat

It would be better if I handed out money to pensioners and made reliable roads to Moscow for NATO tanks ..)))) A familiar song of neoliberovs since 2000 x ..

Only pale policeman can step twice on the same rake. Nothing is changing in Russia! Like always, two problems - not smart people and roads!

[Brancodd]

That's what does not change so is the presence of Smerdyakov. The great writer was right, their nagging is the eternal background of Russian life ...

[Brancodd]

Sasha die your appetites. Well, Roscosmos certainly doesn’t have you lunch. The budget of Roscosmos - 3mrd. $.

[fif21]

Quote: Brancodd

Sasha die your appetites. Well, Roscosmos certainly doesn’t have you lunch. The budget of Roscosmos - 3mrd. $.

Dima! How much can you eat a budget ?! It's time to earn more yourself than you spend. You do not fit into the capitalist economy. There is a redhead, for a long time already on self-sufficiency. The elections are coming soon, and you and your Angora have already taken the whole brain out.

[Brancodd]

Tell it to NASA and EKA. The cost of space in the United States, why only NASA expenses are always indicated. But this is only 40% of the US budget for space.
In 2017, NASA expenditures amounted to $ 18,1 billion. Total US budget expenditures amounted to $ 47,5 billion.
The budgets of space agencies are everywhere expendable to become budgets.

[Jurkovs]

Rogozin: We will not repeat the moon exploration program for the Americans

because we can’t. If they could, then they would definitely repeat it.

[SERSH1972]

Rogozin says well .... Beautiful ... What he studied !!! But is it in its place ??

[Brancodd]

A year and 8 months without accidents. 37 accident-free starts. For 30 post-Soviet years, this was not. China has 3 accidents during this time, ESA has 2 accidents

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Quote: Brancodd

China has 3 accidents during this time, ESA has 2 accidents

And America has an accident yesterday ... By the way, China has more - they already have two this year.

[olhon]

Space Jumper number 1.

[ruivit1988]

As he said there, we have our own path ... Well, the path is already known to everyone, I want to twist the torment of torment. Here they promised us a new ship Clipper. Where is he!? We were promised our own national station. Where is she? New launch vehicle. Where is he again? Lunar base, where is she ?! And other things. In general, here it is our way, to tell fables about how our ships plow the space. Alas, this is our way of exploring the moon.

[Brancodd]

What did you personally promise? This year will be the launch of the Angara. From 2023, the Omsk plant will go into serial production. In the same year will be the first start of the Angara from the East.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Vadim237

And what was he ready for - NASA did not have returnable first stages of methane rocket propeller fairings and reusable cargo and manned capsule ships.

This, of course, exceeds the volume, timing, and cost of Korolev’s work.
He received Marilyn free of charge from the closed lunar program. A few dozens. What makes him have as many as 9? Because the characteristics of the lunar module did not require another. Closed design bureaus, launch complexes. equipment, space materials, electronics, astronomy, precision engineering of the country, stands, patents and financing.

[Vadim237]

The Lunar module is one thing - the reusable first stages of the rocket are completely different; those engines from the Lunar program that he received were simply taken as the basis for the new engine of the reusable Merlin - Korolev the same rocketry didn’t come from scratch; it evolved as the engineering of materials science and the state into Soviet space the program allocated a lot of money.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: fider

vkd.dvk
"... as it was with us."
And as many emergency ones?

Is laziness or lack of sense preventing you from finding it yourself? Self-found convinces better. The last time the crew with the American was rescued.

[Evgeny Strygin]

domestic space can be buried. It is sad to tears, but it is a reality.
What kind of head on the TV says that we have everything tip-top is not important.

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Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

domestic space can be buried.

I ran away. Only in the last five months the Russian orbital group has replenished six new spacecraft and is already 169 spacecraft. Moreover, most of these are heavy and medium-sized devices with a long active life.

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the start of the Angara and Irtysh until 2023.

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By the way, in TK all the same Soyuz-5, and not Irtysh, although who knows what they will call after launch.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Evgeny Strygin

domestic space can be buried

Domestic space, on a regular basis, carries "American tourists" to the ISS. Which for nine years have not been able to reach orbit on their own. And for the domestic space, this is a routine. So who to bury then? We'll see tomorrow. How the Americans will declare the next "victory of democracy and US supremacy in space."

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Vadim237

The Lunar module is one thing - the reusable first stages of the rocket are completely different; those engines from the Lunar program that he received were simply taken as the basis for the new engine of the reusable Merlin - Korolev the same rocketry didn’t come from scratch; it evolved as the engineering of materials science and the state into Soviet space the program allocated a lot of money.

Are you a final boob, or just a beginner?

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

domestic space can be buried. It is sad to tears, but it is a reality.
What kind of head on the TV says that we have everything tip-top is not important.

We will bury you and your grandchildren earlier. Don't worry and don't cry.

[Evgeny Strygin]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

domestic space can be buried.

I ran away. Only in the last five months the Russian orbital group has replenished six new spacecraft and is already 169 spacecraft. Moreover, most of these are heavy and medium-sized devices with a long active life.

AND? What are the devices made of? What about engineering personnel, production personnel, and production itself? With the education necessary for him? A?

[Brancodd]

Made with low fat cream, pine nuts and a slice of sherbet.

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Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

AND? What are the devices made of?

Modern spacecraft typically consist of composite honeycomb structures as a frame onto which payload instruments are mounted. The engines used are modern versions of stationary plasma engines produced by the Fakel Design Bureau.

Here is an example of a Russian satellite on the Express-2000 platform

Also, multi-meter long electric power transmission systems are attached to the resulting structure. As of today, the maximum amount of electricity received by Russian communication devices is more than 13 kilowatts.

Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

What about engineering personnel, production personnel, and production itself? With the education necessary for him? A?

[Whirlwind]

I wish you successful implementation of all the undertakings planned by Roscosmos in the most important matter for Russia in the exploration of outer space and protecting the Earth from asteroid danger.
I wish Dmitry Olegovich and the entire Roscosmos team a fighting spirit for Victory!

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Jack O'Neill

to master together with the Americans, then much cheaper, and in both directions. So we need to cooperate!

? Rogozin said that Russia has its own plans, and many of them do not seem to provide for cooperation with the United States.

Eh, apparently humanity is not yet ready to accept the limitless storehouse of resources and technologies that can fall on humanity during space exploration...