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Pandemic: don't look for a black cat in a dark room

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The danger is not there ...



Many of these lines already go on social networks. But the author did not begin to ask questions at once, but towards the end of quarantine, when he wants to run away especially strongly.

The way out of the coveted press was even closer, but there were only more questions, as there were much more of those who asked such questions almost daily and even hourly.

However, today he not only asks questions, but also tries to give answers to them, not from the point of view of a specialist epidemiologist, but from the standpoint of common sense, which many more have managed to not completely lose. The thing is that today, fortunately, there is enough information not only to intimidate the population and justify punitive measures, but also to preserve this common sense.

Firstly, there is no doubt that COVID-19 is not a particularly dangerous disease. But simply dangerous. The same as influenza, viral pneumonia or SARS / ARI.

COVID-19 is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus.

SARS-CoV-2 is a new and poorly understood virus. But his family, his viral nature do not allow us to talk about his particular danger and terrible mortality.

SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted from person to person, like other respiratory diseases, for example, as a common SARS. The probability of catching it through the surfaces is negligible and unrealistic, and in the open air it is minimal - unless, for example, when, for example, you chat with an infected interlocutor for half an hour, spraying each other with saliva or sing songs with him, hugging and laughing.

Gloves, antiseptics, disinfection are not needed. Even the WHO did not deny it, and once they agreed in the Russian Ministry of Emergencies, but then they shut up, because the launched capacities, especially in Moscow, must now be paid back. However, scented soaps and fluffy towels are enough. And quite.

Masks, of course, are needed by patients, doctors who are in contact with patients, as well as those who really want to wear them for their own peace of mind during an epidemic or outbreak.

80-85%, that is, the almost absolute majority of SARS-CoV-2 infected, will tolerate it either asymptomatically or as a normal SARS. For children under 15 years of age, who in 90% of cases do not even know anything, as well as for young people under the age of forty, the virus will go almost unnoticed.

Percentages of 15–20% of adults from forty years of age and older SARS-CoV-2 can catch strongly. In 90-93%, pneumonia of varying severity will become complications; in other cases, it will strike in weak places: in the heart, kidneys, and vessels. The main danger remains people over 70, especially chronically ill patients - hypertensive patients, diabetics.

... But there is no cure


There is no SARS-CoV-2 treatment, as is the case with ARVI and influenza. Only symptomatic. I would like to hope that it will, but so far all reports on the successes of scientists are nothing more than a fake.

Primary control agents are the most common: paracetamol, heavy drinking, airing, walking in the fresh air. And immunity, as it seems to me, will be conditional, as well as to other flu and ARVI.

The appearance of a vaccine is also unlikely. If she appears quickly, it will almost certainly be a useless placebo and it would be nice to be safe.

SARS-CoV-2 itself, most likely, will disappear as it appeared. His second wave will be invisible, I do not believe in it at all. How inconspicuous would be the outbreak in Wuhan, if it had not been driven further ...

Testing for SARS-CoV-2 is carried out with gross violations of all principles and postulates of determining viral diseases. Antibody testing is also pointless.

For example, now no country, no institute can provide statistics, for example, for viral pneumonia or complex flu, not related to SARS-CoV-2. However, outbreaks of these diseases have always claimed thousands of lives. What is their weight among sick people and deaths in the general statistics of KOVID-19, which were recorded in most countries in a row?

Tests for SARS-CoV-2 not only gave false positive or false negative results, but they could also respond to other coronaviruses, to any SARS.

The global pandemic announced after the outbreak in China is not.

So isn’t it enough to lie?


The statistics that we are treated to every day are manipulative and unscientific. Both the statistics of infected people and the statistics of sick and dead are based on false and erroneous data.

In the foci of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in Italy, the USA, any other countries and places, a crazy infectious mix was created in hospitals, polyclinics, and nursing homes. Getting there was akin to playing Russian roulette.

The wave of panic and lack of professionalism (from politicians and journalists to scientists and doctors) led to terrible consequences.

Pandemic: don't look for a black cat in a dark room
Image: chestandlungssurgeon.com

Government systems and society were absolutely unprepared for a pandemic or quarantine, which, in its essence, was false. It is necessary to send patients to quarantine, and not all in a row, is it really all that was forgotten right away?

The measures taken, ranging from quarantine to the reaction of social networks, which were filled with panic and false, as it turns out now, facts. These facts came from anyone, including doctors - they were redundant, and often did not solve problems, but only exacerbated them.

Key decisions to combat the epidemic were not made on the basis of existing norms and rules of epidemiology, but from scratch by ignoramuses and professionally unsuitable officials.

The medical-bureaucratic community, having forgotten about the main medical principle “do no harm”, began to be guided by the principle of “help” or “and if so?”

In particular, the protocols for treating viral pneumonia were forgotten, instead of all they were stuffed with antibiotics and drugs with side effects according to schemes invented on the go, put on mechanical ventilation ...

How many people with common SARS, influenza according to false tests for KOVID-19, how many panics, how many other diagnoses ended up in hospitals, clinics and were infected with viral pneumonia and other infections, and at the same time with other viruses, including the same SARS-CoV -2?

How many people self-medicated, drank antibiotics, drugs against malaria, aspirins, zinc, having read the blogs of doctors. It’s now that some of the doctors, recollecting themselves, began to write that all drugs, all the horrors and complications they write about, occur in 7-8% of severe cases, they do not threaten the absolute majority, and drugs can do even fatal harm.

And if you are sick with something similar to KOVID-19, take paracetamol and a warm drink. And step march - under observation. All of us with the flu have always been told that if the temperature lasts for a conditionally week, then you just need to start to worry and then the doctor will prescribe antibiotics and so on, on the basis of the general picture, and not just tests and tests.

Many high-profile cases are replicated in social networks, but they can’t be taken for granted and thought that they are so scary or will affect you personally, or we’ll necessarily immediately swallow tablets and run on CT.

The treatment of viral diseases, I repeat, is difficult, long and expensive in every sense. And everything is sometimes decided by details that are not described by bloggers or not understood, and not explained by doctors.

Do no harm


Our government also does not particularly like the principle of “do no harm”. And in this case, having received full moral right not to allow a single tear, launched a full carte blanche.

There is an opinion that we here in Russia lately especially remind those very natives who profess cargo cult. Copying foreign practices, we create here something special from improvised materials, and then we wonder why everything falls apart, and even smells bad.

In the case of this coronavirus struggle, this point of view was largely confirmed.

The start of mass hysteria was given from here: no, they say, we have no hospitals, no tests of our own, no drugs, no masks, no mechanical ventilation, no managers. Only billionaires-officials and billionaires-chief physicians.

Mindless copying of Western and Chinese treatment protocols, quarantine measures plus their own initiative, which in Russia is called “make a fool to pray to God ...” And all this was aimed not at work, but at controlling cash flows and citizens - a source of fines.

It was fortunate that there were no nursing homes, as were the elderly themselves. Our country is young, most managed to die out before the pension reform, and now it is so resistant to this coronavirus.

Fearing, we have already given too much to the authorities. We believed the authorities, for once again. And once again deceived. And with us it was not so much with freedom, but now it is completely ... Where is it?

We abandoned Easter, Victory Day and the parade, receiving in return codes, “Social Monitoring”, voluntary quarantine without compensation and explanation, masks and gloves.

What's next? They promise a lot, a lot. But for now we have this: a collapsed economy, millions of unemployed, poverty and the collapsed health of the whole people. For what?

Let's try to weigh it on our scales. It was worth it? Coronavirus is a catalyst, an accelerator of all processes, it is a test. And I did not like this test.

Fear will go away. Anxiety will remain. Anxiety from uncertainty. But everything has been done “for us,” for our own good, so that we worry less.
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 23 May 2020 04: 53 New
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    Coronavirus is a catalyst, an accelerator of all processes, it is a test.

    It projectmedia showthat someone launched for certain purposes on a global scale.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 23 May 2020 05: 12 New
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      It’s quite logical ...
      1. Far B
        Far B 23 May 2020 06: 21 New
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        Special project, I agree. But we, the people, have little information to try to somehow analyze the situation, and then draw some conclusions based on this analysis. And it infuriates, frankly.
        As for this self-isolation, then, in theory, if it was beneficial, then the number of cases of tuberculosis and other diseases transmitted by airborne droplets should also decrease, if we take over the period year to year. But such statistics are not published now, and I doubt that they will be published later. After all, it turns out that the authorities with this self-isolation are very fluid about .. that it, self-isolation, only brought harm. And our celestials, led by zeroed ones, will never agree to such a recognition.
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 23 May 2020 07: 14 New
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        As a microbiologist (albeit a veterinarian), I have more and more questions about this "epidemic":

        1. Where, in such a short time, can a vaccine that has been tested in humans come from? - this is from official posts

        2. Protection measures are exaggerated. Mask (normal) - works only 20 minutes. Demand to wear constantly.
        + cut money on masks. In pharmacies - 40-50 rubles per unit at a cost of 2 rubles.

        3. If Kovid-19 is so dangerous, then why in the suburbs, where 800-900 people a day are now infected, do they cancel the access regime and allow them to walk?

        And there will be many questions ... A new vaccine, as if it were not more dangerous than Covid himself.

        In order to test the vaccine, it takes a lot of time.
        1. BYCHARA
          BYCHARA 23 May 2020 08: 55 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Protective measures are exaggerated. Mask (normal) - works only 20 minutes. Demand to wear constantly.
          + cut money on masks. In pharmacies - 40-50 rubles per unit at a cost of 2 rubles.

          There are many questions, but I feel the answer lies in this ..!
          - Rabinovich, what do you think, when the mandatory wearing of masks is canceled?
          - Monya, I beg you ... Serious people have invested money. How to beat off and weld - then they will cancel it ...

          laughing
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 May 2020 10: 47 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          As a microbiologist (albeit a veterinarian), I have more and more questions about this "epidemic"

          As a physician, I have several answers to your questions:
          1 options: 2. nonsense, 1. the vaccine was obtained from the Chinese, since it is no secret to anyone that the "parents" of the virus are microbiologists of the center of Wuhan
          2. Measures are not exaggerated, a mask is necessary as with any airborne infection. But optimizers joined the solution to the mask problem and sawed the loot and earn it. Why not extend the mask regimen until the New Year?
          3. Covid-19 is dangerous, in our hospital an anesthetist died from it, 2 surgeons and 1 anesthetist were literally dragged from the other world. In total, 255 physicians died in the country, the mortality rate of doctors is 16 times higher than in rotting Europe.
          Why canceled in the suburbs? There are several answers:
          1. masks are expensive for the public
          2. people just "beat" the mask mode
          3. production in the region has collapsed and it needs to be raised
          4. The situation for the forthcoming vote is gradually "softening". For the authorities, this is more important than the epidemiological situation.
          Why is it different in Moscow? - Because, if Moscow breaks out in June, some will lose their seat
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 23 May 2020 14: 59 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            Covid-19 is dangerous, in our hospital an anesthetist died from it, 2 surgeons and 1 anesthetist were literally dragged from the other world. In total, 255 physicians died in the country, the mortality rate of doctors is 16 times higher than in rotting Europe.

            In Ryazan, officially all the dead-7. Already the second week.
            But,
            "Ministry of Health of the Ryazan Region refused provide statistics on the incidence of coronavirus in medical personnel in the region ....
            ... the editorial office requested statistics from the Ministry of Health about how many employees of medical institutions in the Ryazan Region passed a positive test for COVID-19, how many were in quarantine and how many doctors with a positive diagnosis died during the pandemic.
            In response, the regional Ministry of Health refused to provide data, citing the federal law "On the Basics of Protecting Citizens' Health in the Russian Federation."

            More on Ya62.ru:
            https://ya62.ru/news/health/ryazanskiy_minzdrav_otkazalsya_nazvat_chislo_medikov_s_diagnozom_covid_19/
            So try to believe the official statistics. The disease is serious, it can be judged indirectly even by those who fell ill at the pinnacle of power. Doctors should "steer", but even you do not have a common opinion about the ignorance of the author of the article. So, politicians "rule". In the Krasnodar Territory, physicians demanding additional payments were declared extremists. Threatened for 12 years. Conscience and honor of "law enforcement officers"! Kindly drive out in disgrace. And their commanders. Someone gave the command.
            The fact that the global crisis is spreading has been written for the second year. Coronovirus turned up in time. On unbelief in power, the article in principle. Not about coronovirus.
            I see the situation with coronavirus on the part of medicine in the "optimization" of healthcare.
            Cowid 19 will end. Monument to the dead doctors with a list of the dead. The list, however, will not be final. Many, I think, will make their contribution.
            PS Respect for the Tula nurse working in the "red zone". I hope that everything will be fine with her and she will become a real doctor.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 23 May 2020 15: 58 New
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              Quote: There was a mammoth
              Tula nurse working in the "red zone" respect.

              Well done, Girl!
            2. Fazil Sharipov
              Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 20: 02 New
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              "The disease is serious, it can be judged indirectly even by those who fell ill at the pinnacle of power." Since statistics show that the number of deaths does not go beyond the annual deaths from influenza and pneumonia, one can agree with the author. And what about the pinnacle of power, but it never occurred to you that this very power needs justification for its insane policy towards covid. So they are diagnosed with coronavirus appointed by the extreme. Why not treat Mishustin, anyway during this period practically nothing depends on him. And the main chatterbox of the Kremlin in general, if he is constantly ill or running around the Courchevels, nothing in the country will change.
            3. Severok
              Severok 24 May 2020 10: 27 New
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              In the Krasnodar Territory, doctors requiring surcharges were declared extremists. They threatened 12 years.

              The Krasnodar Territory over the past 15 years has been famous as a region in which the level of corruption, arbitrariness, nepotism, etc. is unusually high. abominations. That's just supreme it seems quite satisfied.
          2. Fazil Sharipov
            Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 19: 49 New
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            As far as I understand you, the doctors did not die before? For the most part, the cause of complications is an unhealthy lifestyle, seasoned with excess weight.
            1. bk316
              bk316 24 May 2020 01: 28 New
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              As far as I understand you, the doctors did not die before?

              Hundreds of flu for a couple of months.
              Over the past 100 years no have not died.
          3. bk316
            bk316 24 May 2020 01: 27 New
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            As a physician, I have several answers to your questions:

            Greetings. Did not read your answer and also answered laughing
            Only about the vaccine. I know first-hand (although maybe they also got it from the Chinese) ours do too. But the tests are carried out according to a special algorithm. According to the instructions in some cases allowed.
          4. riwas
            riwas 24 May 2020 04: 19 New
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            Covid-19 is dangerous, in our hospital an anesthetist died from it, 2 surgeons and 1 anesthetist were literally dragged from the other world.

            But there is no cure

            The anti-coronavirus drug Favipiravir (in the Russian Federation will be called Avifavir) will be launched in June. Allows to reduce the treatment time in half.
            It is noted that according to the results of the first stage of clinical trials (10 days), Avifavir demonstrated safety

            https://iz.ru/1014318/2020-05-22/pervyi-effektivnyi-rossiiskii-preparat-ot-covid-19-nazvali-avifavir
            But the Japanese claim that it negatively affects the fetus of pregnant women and the reproductive organs of men and women. If the last complication remains, the Russian population will decline.
            The Japanese also claim that it is ineffective in severe coronavirus and Favipiravir should be used as early as possible. And we are going to use it only in hospitals when the disease is running (at an early stage, we treat at home).
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy 24 May 2020 22: 16 New
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              Favipiravir ??? - Which is causing infertility?
          5. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 24 May 2020 10: 28 New
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            15% of the total number of deaths are medical workers, mainly nurses. What is this, is it a non-dangerous disease ??? Why is it generally impossible to complain about the author of this article, so that he would be banned altogether and not write here? !!!
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 24 May 2020 11: 29 New
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              It’s not at all clear how this garbage ended up in VO? Viewed by moderators?
              The author is a complete ignoramus, but tries to reason as a knowledgeable person. Only because of such authors here in our Rostov region do not care more and the incidence rate is ever higher. In general, the country has stabilized and even started to decline, but in our country it is the other way around. And all because of these fool inadequate that the blizzard carry with a smart look. As a result, some sit at home, while others go and spread the infection, and because of those who do this, everyone else is forced to quarantine even longer. Because to check for yourself how dangerous this virus is, none of the normal people have the desire.
              Insanity grew stronger.
              Moderators, such articles should not be posted on the VO, but sent to the prosecutor’s office for verification!
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 24 May 2020 17: 32 New
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                hi Here you are and send it personally. that the article is that the comments are ordinary yup YouTube and others where they aggressively urge to overthrow Assad / Putin / underline the necessary. officially, Covida is several times more infectious than the flu and more deadly too. moreover, exhaled air is contagious as in the case of flu and as in any airborne infections, any mask reduces the spread by tens of%, but everyone needs to wear it because with a covert for 10-20 days the patient is contagious but has no symptoms. right there again they’ll pop up on their article because the masks are useless for them / 20 minutes / current for the sick (and the test is done every day, the weight is instant from the morning and evening to burst yes?) and even the masks are expensive .. and reusable like no naddaa ... here you are and throw this into the prosecutor’s office attaching a proof on masks and mortality, and so on.
          6. eskulap
            eskulap 25 May 2020 02: 16 New
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            I will add my option:
            1. There is a controlled "pandemic" - for this, a coronavirus is used, possibly several varieties, one strain is deadly, but with low virulence and contagiousness (a variant of biological weapons or even a chemical one based on organics because it looks like the effect of a suffocating agent - phosgene, for example - there is also a latent period, pulmonary edema and death on mechanical ventilation if the dose is good) - used locally to create hysteria and excitement (Wuhan, New York, Italy) (Perhaps we use) and other strains with a less lethal effect, or even other options pathogens - the results of tests for covid can be done depending on the situation (it is necessary +, it is not necessary - the person will not die);
            2. The goal is to turn the world around and establish a new world order - everywhere undermining the economy, mask and glove mode and digital control of the population.
            3. There remains universal vaccination for some purpose (they worked on the vaccine in advance or on the basis that the mortality rate is artificial, then the vaccine is not from coronavirus at all, since they already say that it is DNA-type and works on the effect on the cell genes with the aim of developing resistance to infection).
            4. Vaccination is brought up - "the second wave" (because they can start it), "there is no immunity" and so on - and the implementation of anti-epidemic measures is formally profiled and does not correlate with changes in morbidity.
          7. EvilLion
            EvilLion 27 May 2020 08: 50 New
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            That is, we have many times less mortality than in Europe, and more doctors are dying? How can this be? Only in the event that in Europe, the doctors removed themselves and did not go to work.
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 11: 31 New
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          9
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          As a microbiologist (albeit a veterinarian), I have more and more questions about this "epidemic":

          1 No vaccine, earliest end of year. In Israel, they finished testing a drug that represents the average between the vaccine and the drug, with the diagnosis of coronavirus it is administered and it kills the virus now at the stage of an agreement with the manufacturers, they promise two months, we'll see.
          2 Surgical mask (usual), original up to 2 hours of protection, but we must also forget about the distance of 2 meters, it has a protection of 50-60%. Masks N90 protection up to 90%
          3 This is not a medical aspect but a political one.
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 May 2020 12: 58 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          1. Where, in such a short time, can a vaccine that has been tested in humans come from? - this is from official posts

          Or the antidote was originally. What is the same Pneumonia? This is the same virus from the group of coronoviruses. As well as pig and bird flu ... these are all viruses from the group of coronoviruses.
          Moreover, with SARS, they did not close the whole world and there was no such hysteria. I think that Atypical pneumonia, pig flu, bird flu were all rehearsals in order to look at people's reactions, their suggestibility and how quickly people are infected with fear.
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          2. Protection measures are exaggerated. Mask (normal) - works only 20 minutes. Demand to wear constantly.
          + cut money on masks. In pharmacies - 40-50 rubles per unit at a cost of 2 rubles.

          Here I am about the same thing ... before the epidemic, the mask cost 4-5 rubles ... now this price is 10-15 times higher. Question masks started to be made of precious metals?
          In general, there are many questions and the answers are only in the form of guesses.
          1. dauria
            dauria 23 May 2020 15: 34 New
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            Here I am about the same thing ... before the epidemic, the mask cost 4-5 rubles ... now this price is 10-15 times higher.

            Eh, old man ... Masks - laughter. Here is "red and white" - a klondike. It would be interesting to see the statistics of vodka consumption and ambulance calls to those dying from drinking. I just went shopping for food and smoke. There are 3 buyers in the huge "Pyaterochka". In "Red and White" (a small shop converted from an apartment on the first floor) there are a crowd of Gorbachev's times. laughing And in appearance, half drinks without drying out, at least three days. No gloves and masks. Masks demanded in "Five" and "At Palych".
            And the virus is something like this - 20 apartments in the entrance. One apartment sick wife, their daughter. Very seriously, lying around under oxygen. Husband and mother in law
            in the same apartment -nothing. No snot, no chills. I am writing only what is before my eyes.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 23 May 2020 18: 13 New
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              Quote: dauria
              Here I am about the same thing ... before the epidemic, the mask cost 4-5 rubles ... now this price is 10-15 times higher.

              Eh, old man ... Masks - laughter. Here is "red and white" - a klondike. It would be interesting to see the statistics of vodka consumption and ambulance calls to those dying from drinking. I just went shopping for food and smoke. There are 3 buyers in the huge "Pyaterochka". In "Red and White" (a small shop converted from an apartment on the first floor) there are a crowd of Gorbachev's times. laughing And in appearance, half drinks without drying out, at least three days. No gloves and masks. Masks demanded in "Five" and "At Palych".
              And the virus is something like this - 20 apartments in the entrance. One apartment sick wife, their daughter. Very seriously, lying around under oxygen. Husband and mother in law
              in the same apartment -nothing. No snot, no chills. I am writing only what is before my eyes.

              Well, what did you want, since there’s nothing more to do to drink than people laughing we are still on "self-isolation" drinks
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 23 May 2020 15: 59 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Atypical pneumonia, pig flu, bird flu were all ...
            ... from one locality and oddly enough - Wuhan
          3. Zefr
            Zefr 24 May 2020 19: 33 New
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            What is the same Pneumonia? This is the same virus from the group of coronoviruses. As well as pig and bird flu ... these are all viruses from the group of coronoviruses.

            This is another nonsense from the nexus
        5. Klingon
          Klingon 23 May 2020 17: 17 New
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          welcome colleague! I agree with you in many ways. - Do you remember dogs coronavirus gastroenteritis? they also die from it like flies, if you miss the moment and do not suspend it from the antiexcoccus system). But if ... and so, with the human CV, they found that most of the dead died as it turned out from diffuse vein thrombosis and it was necessary not to get them on mechanical ventilation (which ultimately led to alveolar crashes and poor gas exchange) and give oxygen (up to 4 l / min depending on the severity of hypoxia) + anticoagulants (ASS100, Markumar, Elikvis)
          * a former veterinarian who went into human medicine drinks
        6. GUSAR
          GUSAR 23 May 2020 18: 50 New
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          So maybe for the sake of it all started?
        7. bk316
          bk316 24 May 2020 01: 23 New
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          I, as a microbiologist

          As a microbiologist, you MUST KNOW the answers to these questions, at least from closed proforums
          But since it looks like you, as a veterinarian, are not allowed there, I will answer you personally. laughing

          1. The test schedule will be violated. For this reason, Trump ran into WHO to get out of the jurisdiction. They are legalists. In the Russian Federation, tests have already been conducted on volunteers (or not quite volunteers?) In this case, tests began immediately on rhesus past mice and so on.

          2. Well, that’s what any doctor knows. This is not to protect the wearer of the mask; this is to protect FROM the wearer of the mask.

          3. Officially because the plateau. My opinion is because it does not work. Spit on bans in the suburbs.

          About the dangers of the vaccine. This is the only interesting question from you. I can only say that personally I will receive first-hand information. And then I decide to get vaccinated or not.
        8. Ka-52
          Ka-52 25 May 2020 10: 26 New
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          1. Where, in such a short time, can a vaccine that has been tested in humans come from? - this is from official posts

          the vaccine may appear because coronoviruses are well known and especially those that have long been parasitic in humans. And the fact that she did not pass the full course of tests, then either the wishful thinking by our media, or now the testing process has been significantly shortened from 2 years to 2 months. For some reason I’m more confident in the first
          Protective measures are exaggerated. Mask (normal) - works only 20 minutes. Demand to wear constantly.

          protection measures are calculated on what the population can use in principle. I think you will not fantasize that if the authorities announced the mandatory wearing of a 2-layer biological suit and mask with a closed loop, then you would all rush to do it.
          If Kovid-19 is so dangerous, then why in the suburbs, where 800-900 people a day are now infected, the access regime is canceled and allowed to walk?

          I think this is a consequence of the stupid policy of the authorities and the stupidity of citizens. Instead of defeating the outbreak according to the Chinese scenario, our country went according to a sluggish European one. Which will significantly extend the duration of the epidemic.
        9. Argon prime
          Argon prime 27 May 2020 09: 05 New
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          I did not see something in the text about the readiness of the vaccine. In general, they promise a year and a half - two as usual. This is in the western editions
      3. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 23 May 2020 07: 16 New
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        I support this thesis. in December 2019, we had an outbreak of severe pneumonia.
        I don’t have statistics, but the number of patients in my environment has gone over 6 people.
        when, as in the past, I basically didn’t see anyone with pneumonia.
        1. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 17 New
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          I have the same story.
          From December to March, several of my acquaintances, including myself, fell ill with something like pneumonia of varying severity. One almost died. Doctors did not offer a clear diagnosis or treatment method. Just tried different antibiotics.
          The thread is not dead.
          But what was that?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 May 2020 13: 18 New
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            Quote: Thunderbringer
            Doctors did not offer a clear diagnosis or treatment method.

            I will probably surprise you, but NONE VIRUS medicine has won.
            What coronovirus doctors say ... a person is killed not by a virus, but by the RESPONSE of the body, in the form of a crowd of macrophages (body defenders) that prevent the lungs from pumping oxygen, with their actions. Such an immune explosion occurs.
            The question is, with simple flu or pneumonia, why does this not happen?
            One doctor tried to explain on fingers how the infected body works. In the human body, in addition to various defense systems, there are macrophage bacteria. They are kind of like cops in the body. What does it have to do with DPS nicknames, opera, riot police, and so on ... in general, there are three wagons of varieties of these macrophages. And so, when the virus gets into the cell and forces it to produce similar infected cells, macrophages, having detected a threat, begin to destroy these diseased cells, or reprogram them (like an antivirus works like in a computer). So why are children practically either not susceptible to this infection, or endure it without noticing? In a child’s body, the formation of an army of macrophages is at the stage of, say, traffic controllers-DPS-nicks. So far, they don’t have any riot police, special forces, or Rosguard in their bodies. And when the virus enters the child’s body, with a small number of macrophages, the situation is localized and resolves.
            In the adult organism, the army of these macrophages is huge ... and what is interesting, the older the person, the larger this army. And the body’s response to the invasion of the virus is much stronger than that of a child. All kinds of macrophages, ... and riot police, special forces, and the guard and regular units ... are breaking into the war against the virus ... and this whole army stupidly drives the body into lethal phase.
            That's how a familiar doctor explained it all to me.
            And all his explanations convinced me more and more that all these SARS, avian and swine flu, coronovirus and AIDS are artificial viruses. By the way I was very surprised when I found out that avian, swine flu, AIDS and Ebola virus are REALLY PATENTED!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 May 2020 10: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          in December 2019, we had an outbreak of severe pneumonia.

          in November 2 30- and 40-year-old men with absolutely antibiotic-resistant microflora also died in our intensive care unit. Only, as it becomes known, the virus began to circulate in November. Indeed, according to the result of initial testing, about 19% of the population already had antibodies. When did they manage to work them out?
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 11: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          when, as in the past, I basically didn’t see anyone with pneumonia.

          Various microorganisms bacteria, viruses can cause pneumonia.
          From a number of them there are vaccinations. Older than 60 years old they always send a message that they need to be vaccinated. I didn’t do it and got there, a 10-day snapshot at home with an antibiotic, a snapshot and another antibiotic for another 5 days, that's all.
          FOR INFORMATION
          A novice radiologist from the pictures determines the usual pneumonia or the crown, the picture is completely different.
    2. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 23 May 2020 06: 24 New
      31
      I would like to agree with the author, but ... Of my friends, i.e. Of those whom I personally know, five people have become infected with this infection. Of these, three died. Two of the deceased - with the past of the Marines (sports and health over the edge) and without chronic diseases.
      1. AUL
        AUL 23 May 2020 06: 42 New
        29
        From the whole article I can agree with only one phrase:
        Government systems and society were absolutely unprepared for a pandemic or quarantine, which, in its essence, was false.
        There was no quarantine. There was a criminal Sobyanin mess in the metro! Self-isolation - has nothing to do with quarantine. But paralysis or incompetent decisions of the authorities take place. And alas, complete indifference of the population, eternal hope for the last trump card - "Maybe ..."
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 23 May 2020 06: 56 New
          17
          Compared to the United States, Russia and Moscow in particular are an example of organization, discipline and wise leadership! And if the author doubts that the coronavirus is very scary, let it go into the "red zone", it is really scary, especially considering that there is no cure for therapeutic treatment or a vaccine to prevent infection, that the virus gives a lot of complications to almost everything from the brain to vessels of the legs, according to the latest data, even after "curing" (and in fact after survival, since there is no medicine yet), a person loses 9-10 years of life, many become disabled ... well, the most common flu according to the author!
          1. Thunderbringer
            Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 19 New
            +7
            So he does not say that it is not scary. He says that it is not scary for everyone. Like the flu, thousands die every year, which is also scary. But there’s no panic about it.
            1. BastaKarapuzik And
              BastaKarapuzik And 24 May 2020 11: 55 New
              +4
              Not 10, not 4, and not even 1% of patients die of influenza. Mortality from influenza is slightly higher than 0.1%. Moreover, this is a steady number, taking into account the vaccines and the presence of patients recovering and recently recovered.
              And in the case of KOVID 19 in some regions the mortality rate is up to 10% and this is at the start of the infection, in Russia the mortality rate is less than 1%, but this is still several times higher than the death rate from influenza. And when self-isolation was introduced, they had to take into account the worst-case scenarios. And the worst is the mortality rate above 10%, as happened in Europe in some foci. 10% is a monstrous figure. It was obtained there because testing was carried out by a small percentage of the population, mainly with severe symptoms. But this means that there is a HUGE number of undetected carriers of the virus, and there is no way to test them. Hence, almost the only measure to try to somehow slow down the development of the epidemic is quarantine.
              I think that it’s not a matter of panic, they just took measures that were more or less justified, were guided by the worst case scenario and judging by the fact that our number was high enough, we could not do without quarantine.
              We have a high mortality rate among health workers, 15% of all deaths are health workers. To think it over is VERY much. Another argument is that the measures were generally justified, maybe they should have been introduced even earlier and even tougher.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 23 May 2020 09: 45 New
            0
            Quote: LeonidL
            gives a lot of complications for almost everything from the brain to the vessels of the legs, according to the latest data, even after "healing" (and in fact after survival, since there is no medicine yet), a person loses 9-10 years of life, many become disabled ... well, the most common flu by author!

            Does the blood-brain barrier pass?
          3. martin-159
            martin-159 23 May 2020 09: 50 New
            0
            And who will let us into the "red zone"?
            1. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 23 May 2020 12: 58 New
              +5
              Become a volunteer (volunteer) and work a month!
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: LeonidL
            Compared to the United States, Russia and Moscow in particular are an example of organization, discipline and wise leadership!

            then explain to me why under the leadership of the mortality rate among physicians in Russia is 16 times higher than the mortality rate of physicians in Europe.
            And further...
            1. The chief sanitary doctor Popova told Putin that the number of positive tests in the country was about 10%.
            The population of the country is about 146 million, then there should be about
            1. Nikolay73
              Nikolay73 25 May 2020 17: 16 New
              +2
              I will not say for all BUT, many doctors and medical staff in our city hospital did not wear masks, and not for the reason that they were not enough, do not ask where it is - I think everywhere and still including ... And Putin, Popova, Sobyanin and others had nothing to do with it, yesterday they were in the park - an impression of 8 out of 10 from the MacLeod clan ...
          5. New Year day
            New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 01 New
            -6
            Quote: LeonidL
            Compared to the United States, Russia and Moscow in particular are an example of organization, discipline and wise leadership!

            then explain to me why under the leadership of the mortality rate among physicians in Russia is 16 times higher than the mortality rate of physicians in Europe.
            And further...
            1. The chief sanitary doctor Popova told Putin that the number of positive tests in the country was about 10%.
            The population of the country is about 146 million, then there should be about
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 16 New
              -4
              Quote: Silvestr
              The population of the country is about 146 million, then there should be about

              The country's population is 146 million, then there should be about 14 million patients.
              About 8 million tests were completed and then there should be about 800 thousand patients. The figures of official data are significantly different, for some reason?
              And further..
              "The figures for the incidence and mortality of coronavirus throughout Dagestan are underestimated, and do not give an idea of ​​the real scale of the spread of the infection. Because of this, drugs for its treatment, distributed across regions based on statistics, do not reach the republic," - Irina Tragira, head specialists who arrived in Derbent from Moscow.
              1. Evgeniy-111
                Evgeniy-111 23 May 2020 13: 01 New
                +3
                What do you mean "should be"? How in case of an unknown / incomprehensible infection can you determine how much should be? Are you an infectious disease specialist yourself? Microbiologist? At least a doctor?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 23 May 2020 13: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Evgeniy-111
                  What do you mean "should be"?

                  In order to calculate 10% of the number you need to know arithmetic. And any infection should be predicted and analyzed. It is the forecast that determines the number of beds deployed and their financing. Arithmetic of medical care organization however
          6. Argon prime
            Argon prime 27 May 2020 09: 09 New
            0
            There will be no proofs on research about the loss of 10 years of life and people with disabilities, I understand correctly?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 May 2020 10: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: AUL
          the last trump card - "Maybe ..."

          and it was precisely on this principle that the authorities reacted only when a critical situation arose and began to react frantically.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 May 2020 07: 22 New
        21
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Two of the deceased - with the past of the Marines (sports and health over the edge) and without chronic diseases.

        I can’t even believe it ...

        From my former work, a woman, 18 days in intensive care, fell ill. there is her daughter, son-in-law granddaughter.

        Everyone survived, but how much longer did they have to recover?

        author:
        Firstly, there is no doubt that COVID-19 is not a particularly dangerous disease.

        Why don't the author visit the infectious diseases hospital (without, of course, unnecessary fake masks and gloves) and announce this encouraging message -directly sick?
        They would be very encouraged !. yes

        The usual flu, yes: that’s why the nursing staff at nursing homes running headlong in full force of them in Italy, Spain. France and so forth Alarmists, see! angry
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 May 2020 12: 18 New
          +5
          My ex-colleague died 46 years old, pneumonia, covid, was taken to the region, died after 5 days
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 May 2020 13: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: your1970
            My ex-colleague died 46 years old, pneumonia, covid, was taken to the region, died after 5 days

            What a nightmare, quite young ... Ay-yai-yay!

            I am sorry ...
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 23 May 2020 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Valery Valery
        I would like to agree with the author, but ... Of my friends, i.e. Of those whom I personally know, five people have become infected with this infection. Of these, three died. Two of the deceased - with the past of the Marines (sports and health over the edge) and without chronic diseases.

        How old are people?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: Krasnodar
          How old are people?

          The youngest dead physicians:
          Samatov Nail Railevich, 28 years, district therapist, Yegoryevskaya CRH, Yegoryevsk, Moscow region
          Kontseva Evgeny Igorevich, 26 years, traumatologist-orthopedist, Abakan interdistrict clinical hospital, Abakan, Republic of Khakassia
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 23 May 2020 11: 20 New
            +2
            Very young ... what complications should they have arisen ...
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 23 May 2020 10: 53 New
        19
        Quote: Valery Valery
        I would like to agree with the author, but ...

        .. not worth it! This is an amateur writing about an unknown problem.
        1. AUL
          AUL 23 May 2020 11: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          This is an amateur writing about an unknown problem.

          Well, as the reduction of all kinds of restrictions begins, a peppy little article was needed to calm the population - like, this whole virus is a fake. Well, the author was found.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 23 May 2020 13: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: AUL
            to calm the population -

            Ahead of the vote!
        2. Fazil Sharipov
          Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 20: 24 New
          +6
          Guys, time will judge us all very soon. Understand for yourself that both the author and Lukashenko are right with the Swedes. When several people fall ill at once in a family, this is our Russian accident. How did they defend themselves? Interestingly - do all masked houses go? The sick person must definitely be wearing a mask, and it’s hard for him to breathe. How to maintain social distance at home? Doctors leave all patients to be treated at home, for the most part they make the diagnosis without any analysis and without testing. They only take to the hospital if there are serious breathing problems. Therefore, hospitals have many deaths. If everything is as serious as you write, then quarantine should be real, not self-isolation. Here are just nowhere to treat patients, hospitals are optimized.
      5. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 23 May 2020 18: 44 New
        -1
        No no. No need to agree with the author. This is a regular bookmarked article. People react and begin to tell everything ..... What they heard, what was, what was not. What did the neighbor say. But in general, public opinion can be added up.
        See how many stories have been told here .......
    3. 210ox
      210ox 23 May 2020 06: 27 New
      -4
      Is Soros here marked?
      1. bayard
        bayard 23 May 2020 06: 53 New
        +4
        And the gates that Bill. yes
    4. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 23 May 2020 07: 31 New
      -1
      Our government can be congratulated on a turning point in a small, war-like war! wink
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 23 May 2020 10: 35 New
      10
      Quote: Comrade
      This is a project, a media show that someone launched for certain purposes on a global scale.

      want to say that 255 deaths in 2 months of medical shows? No words, only a cynic and an ignoramus can mock the dead so
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 23 May 2020 14: 09 New
        +4
        Yes, a terrible cove is killing everyone ....
  2. really
    really 23 May 2020 05: 00 New
    11
    Wait until the end of the disease, and only then you can draw conclusions. You need to analyze large amounts of data with different samples.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 25 New
      +8
      Nothing is over yet.
      Moreover. Anyway, quarantine measures will have to be canceled in the near future, otherwise the country will end. But the virus will not go anywhere, and then a real epidemic will come.
      All of these quarantine restrictive measures are needed only for the preparation of medicine. Give time.
      Without medicine and a vaccine, nothing will cure itself and will not disappear.
      While there is neither one nor the other, and most likely will not appear in the coming year. So we’ll get along with almost everything.
      It is hoped that the medicine did manage to get ready, or that we really won’t enter those 8% of especially severe cases.
      1. really
        really 23 May 2020 09: 29 New
        +1
        That's why I suggested surviving the event, and then draw conclusions, and not vice versa.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 23 May 2020 14: 12 New
          10
          This is the main goal of the so-called "protective" measures, and no one will convince me otherwise ....
          1. really
            really 23 May 2020 14: 54 New
            +2
            Then the first thing you need to throw away your cell phone, it can track you.
  3. LAWNER
    LAWNER 23 May 2020 05: 04 New
    27
    Not dangerous? Yesterday went to the grandfather, lungs refuse. My daughter told them that the coronavirus was a fiction and constantly went to them. The day before yesterday, to a 40-year-old woman .. Temperature 39 lasts a week, faints. She refused hospitalization .. Today they called, a new outbreak ..
    And all because of such "experts". Gather you all in one city and go to the cinema there, swim on the beach, go to restaurants and discos.
    In a year we’ll see how many of you will remain.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 May 2020 05: 53 New
      26
      Quote: LAWNER
      And all because of such "experts". Gather you all in one city and go to the cinema there, swim on the beach, go to restaurants and discos.
      In a year we’ll see how many of you will remain.

      Uncle doctor, stop treating us. We have been gathered in one country for about 30 years, we eat different foods that are not good for the body; we use medicines that should give a second youth at a price; we work without union support and compliance with the PTB; we listen from the screens any crap that gives nothing to the mind or heart; we wipe ourselves off with annual presidential messages and direct lines; someone bathes, someone goes to discos, someone drives in wheelchairs ...
      To say how many of us are left of the population that was in 1991? If we remove about 10 million registered migrants and citizens who received passports in the process of becoming a new Russia - about 125 million ... Natural population decline! So tell us what it is better to die from: from syphilis, from dysentery or from coronavirus?
      Are you here, such a correct doctor, did you take everything into account? So where are your findings? What did you suggest? Stay home until the great storyteller resets the coronavirus pandemic?
      Yes, during this time you can just die from anything, and then statistics will tell about deaths NOT FROM CORONAVIRUS ...
      Thank you for your heroic work and for taking care of the health of the nation! Yesterday they called an ambulance to a relative (suspected stroke): he did not let doctors in, he resisted the examination. Doctors were warned about this situation. What did they do? A fat aunt wheeled from the doorway that "since they didn’t let us in, we can’t do anything" ... And ... they left, despite persuasion, tears and requests. But what about? The landlord, who has a psychiatric disorder due to a stroke (according to external signs, incoherent speech, impaired musculoskeletal system functions, repeated monologues ...) did not let them go. There was not even any attempt to persuade the patient to measure pressure or something else ...
      And here you are scratching in all seriousness with disease statistics less than 1% of the total mortality of the Russian population? Will help you! You are on the right track, citizen.
      1. AUL
        AUL 23 May 2020 06: 46 New
        +9
        Quote: ROSS 42
        So tell us what it is better to die from: from syphilis, from dysentery or from coronavirus?
        From syphilis - you will die a man, and not su ... ce!
      2. LAWNER
        LAWNER 23 May 2020 11: 35 New
        +6
        That is the law. If he refuses treatment, the paramedic can do nothing. Submit to court, recognize him as having limited legal capacity. Then talk about the evil Aunt.
      3. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 23 May 2020 13: 05 New
        +4
        Very emotional, but not the case.
    2. l7yzo
      l7yzo 23 May 2020 06: 12 New
      14
      About the temperature of the week. What about outbreaks of pneumonia in all of Russia in December ?? 1-3 weeks in people, the temperature crushed and nothing helped ?? Did not hear? Yes, because on TV they didn’t shout about it. For example, in Moscow there was an increase of 40%.
      1. PavelT
        PavelT 23 May 2020 06: 47 New
        35
        There was also an outbreak of mortality (+ 18% from diseases of the respiratory system) in the spring of 2016 - he himself was ill with this muck, suffered from a headache, coughed up green dense phlegm from his lungs almost continuously. Thank you to the ambulance: they came, saw, said in the first two minutes, "and you have the same thing that everyone has ..." and prescribed the antibiotic cephalosporin in ampoules. After the first injection, the head passed in half an hour, after the second, expectoration became easier - i.e. it was a bacterium. I know from friends and acquaintances that many elderly people in the spring of 2016 were very sick and even died. The media is silent about that epidemic - I have a version why.
        Because this disease, like many others, came to us almost certainly from Central Asia, where there is no medicine (from there, polio also sometimes wanders to us from 2010, which it seems that it should no longer be on the planet!). The authorities hide in the media any negative things about Central Asia and migrant workers from there (for example, that the GTA gang - these were ISIS terrorist spills), so as not to introduce a strict visa regime with these countries. Similarly, from that pulmonary infection - why do Russians need to know what nasty things come to us from Central Asia - they will demand to close the border, and where will we get new guest workers for slaves?
        1. martin-159
          martin-159 23 May 2020 09: 59 New
          +2
          That's for sure, he was ill himself and two friends died.
          1. Fazil Sharipov
            Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 20: 35 New
            +6
            If you make a selection of all the comments on this article, you get a fairly objective picture, completely pros and cons. The conclusion is that about 40% of the population has died out in the country. (2 out of five died, he became ill, two died, etc.). Why sow panic.
            1. martin-159
              martin-159 24 May 2020 09: 58 New
              +2
              That was 4 years ago. What kind of panic?
              1. Hypatius
                Hypatius 24 May 2020 21: 18 New
                +3
                In xnumx?
                There was a burst of pneumonia. The causative agents of pneumonia, more than 100 protozoa, bacteria, viruses and fungi.
                What they are hiding, now under the crow-panic, is the main thing. And here are the options worse than this ARVI.
                1. PavelT
                  PavelT 25 May 2020 01: 50 New
                  +1
                  Yes, in 2016, in the spring.
                  I recently checked the statistics - now everything seems to be as usual in 2016, no articles, no references.
                  But earlier, in 2018, I found medical articles through Yandex that in the spring of 2016, mortality from respiratory diseases / lung diseases increased by 18% in Russia (not the total mortality, namely from this type of disease). Maybe somewhere on computers I can find this article (I have not found it yet) - I will publish it here.
                  I understand that my statements are unfounded at the moment, but I remember that and my neighbor (whose parents were sick harder than me) remembers.

                  I can give a similar example of the completely erased political events of 2010: through Yandex it is not searched at all in any way!
                  And I remember that in late summer, early autumn, Zhirinovsky for several days (a week or more) on many radio stations and on TV several times suggested unprecedented (for him): make friends with NATO, stop hostility with the United States, help them fight in Afghanistan ! Then Medvedev was in power and it looks like the elite decided to change course by 180 degrees, but decided to launch a "test balloon" in the form of a provocateur Zhirinovsky (after all, he always votes in the Duma as the authorities should - they just buy him) to probe the reaction of society, but apparently not very There was a successful reaction, they decided not to change the course, to leave it the same (or Putin ran into Medvedev) - all this venture with Zhirinovsky was erased from the news or the search was blocked on Yandex.
                2. PavelT
                  PavelT 25 May 2020 01: 59 New
                  +2
                  Here I found about the increased mortality from pneumonia in 2016 (all year): https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4715756
                  We look at the histogram, we see an excess over the level of 2017 and 2018:

                  Exceeding at 5200, or 20% to the level of 2017-18.
                  1. PavelT
                    PavelT 25 May 2020 19: 05 New
                    +1
                    I add another old article about the growth of pneumonia in 2016:
                    http://alla-astakhova.ru/hroniki-pikiruyushhej-pnevmonii/
                    - there is a link to the resolution No. 8 of the chief sanitary doctor of Moscow (Rospotrebnadzor) E.E. Andreeva on July 29, 2016:
                    In July 2016, the decree of the Chief Sanitary Doctor of Moscow Elena Andreeva indicated an increase in the incidence of community-acquired pneumonia in the capital 27 percent compared to the previous year, double mortality, mortality - one and a half times.

                    I did not understand why the admins erased my previous comment on this topic to me?
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        2. Evgeniy-111
          Evgeniy-111 23 May 2020 13: 09 New
          +1
          I have a different version - why: the number of people is just growing, the number of diseases is growing in progression (when arithmetic, and when geometric). If we talk about all types and variants of diseases, not a single media is enough (this is the same as with crime - no matter how you turn something on, it’s illnesses, epidemics, killings, fires, emergency situations and so on). Are you more interested in such news media?
    3. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 23 May 2020 06: 22 New
      +1
      Or, as in India, with sticks to drive into a minibus with an infected patient. laughing
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 23 May 2020 07: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: LAWNER
      Not dangerous? Yesterday went to the grandfather, lungs refuse. My daughter told them that the coronavirus was a fiction and constantly went to them. The day before yesterday, to a 40-year-old woman .. Temperature 39 lasts a week, faints. She refused hospitalization .. Today they called, a new outbreak ..
      And all because of such "experts". Gather you all in one city and go to the cinema there, swim on the beach, go to restaurants and discos.
      In a year we’ll see how many of you will remain.


      the point is not that "there was no virus", it seems that it was and is. the fact is that the distribution began long before the Chinese announced. occupied and kept silent. special thanks to them for this.
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 May 2020 09: 46 New
        12
        Since ancient times, mankind has used epidemics as a weapon. Dead animals or corpses of people were thrown over the walls of the enemy. But only in the 21st century does the epidemic become a tool for solving political problems, both internal and external.
        One gets the impression that the coronavirus epidemic in our country was urgently needed by someone, and not by one "someone". I still wonder: how is this so? Why were the airports in Moscow and other metropolitan areas not immediately harshly quarantined, and the disease went on? Why did they allow the infected to escape from hospitals? And no other explanation suggests itself, except one. Because it was needed by the very "someone" who originally had a plan. However, decisions on how to profitably use covid were not ready for everyone. The methods of feasting on corpses were born spontaneously. Now - use our deaths, who can! Dance someone's profit on our bones! Dancing in an embrace with the death and lifelong illness of survivors! ..

        I am waiting for the final reaction of the central government to what has happened. And according to it it will become clear to whom covid-bacchanalia was urgently needed, and who created its prerequisites in the form of dead medicine - and so it is clear.
        In the meantime, in my village belatedly, they began to die from the coronavirus. I hear about it from conversations under the windows. I see how the reports of deaths have finally scattered people into social distances, clothed all faces in a row in masks, emptied their pockets, killed faith in the future - it's time to take off the masks from "someone." All into the light, all - under the lamps of investigators!
        1. Fazil Sharipov
          Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 20: 58 New
          +3
          Now all the deaths are from the coronovirus, including, as was written above, and 5 gunshots and 7 knife guns. The authorities promised the families of the victims 1–2 million each. This is an expanse for corruption.
      2. cniza
        cniza 23 May 2020 12: 46 New
        +2
        what the Chinese announced. occupied and silenced. For this, they will have to say special thanks.


        They already say, especially Trump.
    5. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: LAWNER
      And all because of such "experts". Gather you all in one city and go to the cinema there, swim on the beach, go to restaurants and discos.
      In a year we’ll see how many of you will remain.

      So far, statistics say that approximately 93% will remain.
      With normal flu, approximately 95% will remain.
    6. awdrgy
      awdrgy 24 May 2020 22: 24 New
      +1
      Those who fear the kingdom of heaven do not have it!
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 May 2020 05: 21 New
    11
    Well, according to those from independent specialists in virology, the so-called covid 19 is really a hodgepodge of several forms of various diseases. It is based on one of the severe forms of the flu, as well as pneumonia, which this flu essentially activates in the human body. Therefore, it is pneumonia that is diagnosed, and not some kind of covid 19! So the information about the synthesis of this virus is true.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 23 May 2020 07: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Well, according to those from independent specialists in virology, the so-called covid 19 is really a hodgepodge

      can you give this data? what segments will be collected in a "hodgepodge" those who claim it should happily present evidence.

      for us mortals, at least on the fingers as in the photo:
      such a segment is then stuck there and so on.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 23 May 2020 12: 51 New
        -2
        Maki Avellyevich, I’m not a geneticist, not a virologist, and not a microbiologist, unlike those who confidently claim that covid19 is complex, but synthetics, and fragments do not need to be glued somewhere! For the virus itself is assembled very smartly as a whole, but it works in the human body as several diseases with complications at once.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 23 May 2020 16: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Thrifty
          Maki Avellyevich, I’m not a geneticist, not a virologist, and not a microbiologist, unlike those who confidently claim that Kovid19 is complex, but synthetic,

          So take the trouble to give a link to those who confidently declare.
          This is the minimum for such statements.
    2. PavelT
      PavelT 25 May 2020 16: 07 New
      +2
      according to data from independent specialists in virology, the so-called covid 19 is really a hodgepodge of several forms of various diseases.

      There is no such data, the invention of pure water. Give a link to this data, some article with specifics.
  5. certero
    certero 23 May 2020 05: 41 New
    11
    Author, are you an epidemiologist, or a virologist, or someone else? If not, why do you talk about things in which you don’t understand a damn thing?
    1. mark1
      mark1 23 May 2020 06: 46 New
      +8
      A perfectly true remark, if the author is a specialist, then it should be indicated at the beginning of the article, or at least in the signature, and it seems that this is another la-la-la-la-la who hopes to be responsible (for the bazaar) solely in the form of passing tests (saying - and what else to take from me ...).
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 23 May 2020 07: 33 New
        +7
        judging by the bravado with the nihilism of the author of the article, himself and his relatives with friends, this infection has bypassed yet ...
        well, well ... don’t say gop until you jump over ....
    2. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 37 New
      14
      Quote: certero
      Author, are you an epidemiologist, or a virologist, or someone else? If not, why do you talk about things in which you don’t understand a damn thing?

      Consider this as the attitude of a simple, uncomplicated person to a topic. Most of these people, and they have questions. Those answers that experts give them already cease to suit them, because people are already really tired, and many will soon have nothing to eat in the literal sense.
      Indeed, unemployment is actually growing, and the state and banks continue to demand money from citizens no matter what.
      And more and more questions arise, but what do we do next? Dying of cold on the street because the bank took the apartment?
      Or take a chance, spit on the virus, and try to survive?
      Because with this virus the probability of survival is more than 90%, but without money, the probability is 0.
  6. Masha
    Masha 23 May 2020 05: 54 New
    12
    I will say so ... safe and God protects! Those who guard themselves, God will protect them ... yes
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 06: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Masha
      I will say so ... safe and God protects! Those who guard themselves, God will protect them ... yes

      Exactly, just do not need to bring sensible things to the point of absurdity. And then you can self-climb into a plastic bag for self-isolation. repeat It is said, we’ll get over everything. There is no absolute quarantine and never will be. The virus is around us. His carriers will remain. And it can be activated over time. And if you do not have antibodies ...... A vaccine .... Well, if there is no mind, then experimental rabbits and mice go ahead. You and normal time interfered with the New World Order, then God himself ordered the liberals to use it. Even if the entire government is vaccinated, this does not mean that it will suit everyone.
  7. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 May 2020 06: 00 New
    +4
    wait and see ... if we wait ...
  8. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 23 May 2020 06: 03 New
    +9
    Only in our country, fans are better versed in football than coaches, and patients are better than doctors in treatment. That would have worked in intensive care ....... Well, what is epidemiology, virology and how is learning, the collection of new data the author does not know at all, give him 100% treatment here and now with a magic wand. You would be in the Middle Ages ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 May 2020 10: 00 New
      +7
      The official figure: 91 health workers died from cove. A named obituary is available in Zen. True doctors stood to the end, settling in hospitals. On mobile phones, they said goodbye to their relatives. It was impossible to read without tears.
      Glory to the heroes of the doctors!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: depressant
        The official figure: 91 health workers died from cove.

        https://sites.google.com/view/covid-memory/home
        255!
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 29 May 2020 22: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Only in our country, fans are better versed in football than coaches, and patients are better than doctors in treatment. That would have worked in intensive care ....... Well, what is epidemiology, virology and how is learning, the collection of new data the author does not know at all, give him 100% treatment here and now with a magic wand. You would be in the Middle Ages ...


      Then my request to you: live in Cheboksary (not the smallest city, more than 450 thousand people without a satellite city) for a year, talk to sick (no matter what) people, make a sample of opinions. I assure you: you will find few positive reviews. From the age of 14 (approximately) every year I lay in one hospital, then another, and in the outpatient clinic I wandered around all (except for one hospital, maybe I won't talk about polyclinics, it's always even worse there). So that's it. Doctors themselves cannot make a diagnosis (they cannot even determine what the patient has: peritonitis or a fracture of the pelvis, they do not care, the patient is over 80, she will die soon anyway ...). All right, it would be done by therapists, their business should be sent to a specialist in severe cases, so the "specialists" know only one phrase: "let's see in dynamics." So dynamite, and for years. And to Moscow or, at worst, Kazan, you need to pull out a referral due to the fact that the insurance companies will gnaw their throats for this: it costs money (well, politics too: Chuvashia is a healthy land! ..). By the way, th MRI is also a problem! All the more specific, like an MRI of the mediastinum with contrast. YES MRI HEADS WITH CONTRAST ALSO PRESCRIBED WITH GUTTING !!! And in the same paid offices it is not a question to do 3 (it was 5 years ago, now I don’t know) thousands of research and the same amount of contrast.

      By the way about the birds. Now the Federal Center for Traumatology has been redesigned for "covid" needs. In the republic, only there they performed complex operations for injuries, such as a fracture of the neck of the bone, etc. Now this is not done anywhere and is not allowed outside the republic. WHAT'S THIS??? CARE SC ... KO ???

      Here, go outside the Moscow region and cities with a million-plus population to hospitals, and then just say what doctors are white and fluffy hard workers. They are no less rasp ... uh .... gouging than everyone else, and the Hippocratic oath does not mean anything to them. There are very few humane ones, and even fewer professionals. Thank you for the time being.
  9. sagitch
    sagitch 23 May 2020 06: 09 New
    +5
    When they themselves are on their deathbed, then they will believe, and not only in a pandemic, but also in God. And then after all what, give them death so that they believe. It’s your right to believe or not to believe, just as if it weren’t too late, and you did not have to repent belatedly.
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 23 May 2020 09: 53 New
      11
      They show us on TV how the rich of this world sit at home. They miss a little, but nothing. They sing songs under the balcony of a private castle, play sports on simulators in specially equipped home rooms, record videos of themselves about their loved ones on equipment worth several million rubles.
      Boring them. A lot of money, but boring.
      But to us, it turns out to be simple not to boredom.
      Here I am. We have been working since mid-April, despite the formidable decrees of our Governor. Naturally, everything is closed, we go to work through the back yard, so that outwardly everything would be as if isolation measures. Full office to the people. Checks, meetings and more. At the same time, our activity is in no way connected with life support. We are not the police, not the firemen, not the doctors. Just protect the forest.
      And now a month ago, our salaries decreased to the minimum values. That is, let’s say an engineer and a fireman now receive the same amount from the state - 12 rubles a month.
      But that is not all. Mass reduction announced. And this is the situation in general among all state employees with whom I am familiar.
      What shall we do? To sit further at home and look at the stars, what good fellows are they?
      So we will soon be cut off electricity for non-payment, there will be no one to look at.
      It turns out that we will tolerate a little more, and go out into the street. All the same, there are more chances to survive than sitting at home waiting for bills to pay everything from the state.
      We all understand, both about the danger of the virus, and about the calls of doctors, and even about the fear of the rich to get infected.
      But we just need at least some chance, albeit not a big one. And in the case of this virus, it is still not small.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 24 May 2020 23: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Thunderbringer
        And this is the situation in general among all state employees with whom I am familiar.

        I can say if not a state employee. The situation is similar. I worked all this time, in addition to the very first week, we were promised to pay twice as much, and paid three times less .....
        I don’t know a single acquaintance who would fall ill with a crown, but I already know 6 people who were fired ...... Therefore, what’s worse, a virus or the fight against it, at least the question is not clear for me ....
    2. depressant
      depressant 23 May 2020 10: 04 New
      +2
      They will have to repent. Not before the priest - before the investigator. I really hope for it. Self-isolation significantly worsened my health.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 23 May 2020 11: 03 New
        +5
        Do not repent, but respond. But only when we shake off information noodles from our ears. The top ones all over the world started something vile, and on a global scale. And while they manage to bully us.
        But even my wife, a person far from politics, began to guess that we were being brazenly deceived. In the world, nothing happens in a complete vacuum. There is always a cause and effect. And always what is happening is beneficial to someone, man or Nature. In our case, I suspect that it is beneficial to nonhumans in the human image. And where are they from - not so important, although interesting - China or America?
        And "ours" are only singers of this duet.
  10. Oleg133
    Oleg133 23 May 2020 06: 12 New
    +1
    World pandemic announced after outbreak in China

    Woz did not announce a pandemic. There is an unintelligible tweet of some official who said that it Could be a pandemic

    Recent data
    People do not die from pneumonia, but from pulmonary vein thrombosis. Virus-infected cells attack, die, and if too quickly, then thrombosis. Therefore, ventilators do not help.
    Drink blood thinners
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 May 2020 07: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg133
      Drink blood thinners

      Is it vodka or something?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 07: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Is it vodka or something?

        Water from the tap. repeat
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 May 2020 10: 08 New
          +4
          From the faucets in the kitchen and bathroom flows rust. It is useless to protest. But pay in full and try not to do it.
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 May 2020 07: 42 New
        +2
        Only dissolve an aspirin tablet in it before use smile
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 07: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Oleg133
      Woz did not announce a pandemic. There is an unintelligible tweet of some official who said that it Could be a pandemic


      Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director-General, stated that the situation with the spread of COVID-19 can be described as pandemic. This is due to the rapidly increasing number of cases outside China over the past two weeks, which affects an increasing number of countries.
      In his statement, the Director General said: “Let me be clear: that we characterize this situation as a pandemic, does not mean countries should give up. The idea that countries should move from containment to mitigation is wrong and dangerous. "
      http://www.euro.who.int/ru/health-topics/health-emergencies/coronavirus-covid-19/news/news/2020/3/who-announces-covid-19-outbreak-a-pandemic
      At 22 \ 05 \ 20 in the world
      Sick 5,257,234
      Recovered 2,122,417
      336,863 died
    3. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 07: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Oleg133
      Woz did not announce a pandemic. There is an unintelligible tweet of some official who said that it Could be a pandemic

      damn well before you write nonsense at least the WHO site look or something
      Over the past two weeks, the number of cases of COVID-19 outside of China has increased 13 times, and the number of countries affected by the spread of the virus has tripled.

      Currently, more than 114 thousand cases of the disease have been reported in 118 countries, and 4 people have died. ...
      ... Therefore, we conclude that the distribution of COVID-19 can be described as a pandemic.

      https://www.who.int/ru/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---11-march-2020
    4. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 07: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg133
      and if too fast, then thrombosis. Therefore, ventilators do not help.
      Drink blood thinners

      Are you a medic ?!
      if not then who specifically offers? !!!!
      I would already criminalize near-medical nonsense
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 May 2020 10: 11 New
        10
        So you, Barmaleyka, directly point to Skvortsova. It was she who raised the wave, they say, Kovid is treated with anti-malarial drugs. They began to apply. Mortality has doubled.
        Investigative Committee, ay!
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 10: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          So you, Barmaleyka, directly point to Skvortsova.

          for anyone who dumps specialized access to general access

          The head of the FMBA Veronika Skvortsova said at a press conference that preclinical studies of Meflohin showed that he completely suppresses the effect of coronavirus after 49 hours in a very small dose.

          According to Skvortsova, studies of Meflohin in humans show that by the end of the first week, 70% do not have coronavirus.

          However, she warned that this is preliminary data.

          it is this kind of harm no less than the virus itself, this information is exclusively for official use and not for our person who, unlike the western layman, breaks into a pharmacy and begins to be treated himself by what he heard
          1. depressant
            depressant 23 May 2020 11: 01 New
            +4
            The message you are talking about was made by Skvortsova on May 16. But doctors around the world began to use hydroxychloroquine against coronavirus much earlier - people just in desperation were looking for at least something at hand that would stop the infection. And it turned out that in the groups that were given this anti-malarial medicine, mortality increased compared to conventional groups due to the negative effect of the drug on the cardiovascular system.
            Control groups from 671 hospitals:
            14 888 patients received hydroxychloroquine, mortality from 16% to 23,8%.
            81 144 - did not receive. Mortality is 9,3%.
            Skvortsova was obliged to monitor the progress of these studies. I didn’t. But she hastened to give a recommendation.
            Unfortunately, I don’t remember exactly where, whether in Bashkiria or in Udmurtia, due to the use of an antimalarial drug, mortality from coronavirus increased sharply, and doctors directly blamed Skvortsova for this. It was on Zen. Or maybe somewhere else. I was not particularly interested, otherwise I would save the file. But excuse me, I’m not accustomed to lie.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 11: 08 New
              +1
              once again where, by whom and when was it suggested to "drink blood thinners" ?!
              about the drain into the public domain of internal considerations of doctors, I already unsubscribed
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 23 May 2020 11: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: depressant
              Skvortsova made May 16.

              do not listen to this lady! Lying always and in everything
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 11: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                do not listen to this lady! Lying always and in everything

                No need to be categorical.
                Scientists said that the highest mortality among all those infected with coronavirus was recorded precisely among those taking the antimalarial drug - it amounted to 27,8%. 22,1% of patients who died during treatment took hydroxychloroquine along with the antibiotic azithromycin. Moreover, in patients who did not receive this medicine at all, the mortality rate was only 11,4%.
                Experts have suggested that hydroxychloroquine can damage the internal organs of infected people, which ultimately leads to death.
                This information has been confirmed in many countries.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 23 May 2020 13: 20 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  No need to be categorical.

                  In this case, it is possible and necessary, especially after her statement about the possibility of "hanging" 4 patients on one ventilator.
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  received this medicine, mortality was only 11,4%.

                  What say that mechanical ventilation leads to unjustified mortality in 60-70% of patients?
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 13: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    especially after her statement about the possibility of "hanging" 4 patients on one ventilator.

                    Well this is another song when there was not enough mechanical ventilation looking for all possible ways, just like medicines.
                    We were immediately told that these drugs have very serious consequences and they must be used very carefully.
                    Well, I saw about four-to-one in the news I did not quite understand. it seemed the easiest way, and with us all the special services were looking for ways to buy and rebuilt the production under the release of mechanical ventilation.
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        2. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 10: 24 New
          0
          I really want to hear who offered to drink blood thinners
          1. Tata1003
            Tata1003 28 May 2020 07: 21 New
            0
            "Drink" did not hear. Myasnikov talked about positive heparin injections, in my opinion, in the abdomen, but only in the hospital and only in severe cases.
  11. Rust
    Rust 23 May 2020 06: 13 New
    -6
    The best thing I've read on this topic. Thank.
    1. mark2
      mark2 23 May 2020 08: 02 New
      +2
      And you read more and not here. And better yet, listen to lectures.
      1. Rust
        Rust 24 May 2020 09: 06 New
        0
        What are you doing here? And I also read books. When there is time.
  12. arhitroll
    arhitroll 23 May 2020 06: 15 New
    +5
    Reptilians launched a preliminary training for their global scenario ...
  13. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 May 2020 06: 16 New
    +4
    It is time to introduce criminal punishment for denying the existence of the danger of a coronovirus. The authorities tried so hard, they fought not sparing their stomach, introduced a pre-trial detention center regime. And here, homegrown experts question their heroism.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 23 May 2020 06: 45 New
      15
      We "remembered" about the fleet - when the Kursk sank. Now, about the doctors, they remembered when the virus appeared.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 07: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        We "remembered" about the fleet - when the Kursk sank. Now, about the doctors, they remembered when the virus appeared.

        This is the logic of war and survival.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 23 May 2020 11: 10 New
        +9
        Now, doctors remembered when the virus appeared.

        These doctors and hospitals have never been forgotten since 91. They were tormented by the "shameful" fact that the USSR set up hospitals and trained a lot of good doctors. And they did everything to make all this not enough.
        1. BYCHARA
          BYCHARA 23 May 2020 11: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: NordUral
          These doctors and hospitals have never been forgotten since 91. They were tormented by the "shameful" fact that the USSR set up hospitals and trained a lot of good doctors. And they did everything to make all this not enough.

          At first, the Army and Navy were destroyed, then education, well, they started to work for doctors .. The education and medicine system has been forming for decades, even if everything was not rich, but the country proved its effectiveness! Now medicine and education, only in Moscow, and even then below the plinth .. hi
          Now we are collecting stones, however late it would be ..!
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 23 May 2020 11: 20 New
            0
            Vitaliy! So that it’s too late, you need to sweep these from the country. In all elections and all the people, so as not to bring the country to revolution. Although it will be a way out when there is no other left. So it was in 1917, when the question was also asked whether Russia will be. It is possible that history is returning to a similar round of its unhurried movement, no one knows where.
            1. BYCHARA
              BYCHARA 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
              +3
              Quote: NordUral
              Vitaliy! So that it’s too late, you need to sweep these out of the country. In all elections and all the people, so as not to bring the country to revolution.

              Eh, Eugene, they too deeply sucked into the body of Russia together with myoic corporations! And you can’t do without a scalpel .. negative
              Quote: NordUral
              So it was in 1917, when the question was also asked whether Russia will be. It is possible that history is returning to a similar round of its unhurried movement, no one knows where.

              Also sometimes I think about the spiral of history, everything repeats and returns ..
              Russia is a specific country and it is difficult to calculate it. It is not in vain that "our" new-born bourgeoisie shake like that and live one day .. Soon we will knock them on palaces and offices with butts!
              I hope we get by with a little blood! They got it already ..
              Good luck to you and the Northern Urals from Southern Eugene!
              Such things are in URALA tank divisions!
              It will begin now)))
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 23 May 2020 12: 23 New
                +2
                Good luck, intelligence and determination to all of us!
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 06: 19 New
    +7
    I agree. Very reminded Delyagin, only less emotions.
    It is necessary to send patients to quarantine, and not all in a row, is it really all that was forgotten right away?
    Well, why, it is possible and the regions, as in China. So as not to be pulled around the country. And in the region everyone was ill and that’s all. Quarantine is a complete isolation. And self-isolation is a colander. All the same, we’ll be ill, only the peak of the sick will not be achieved in a month, but in six months.
  15. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 23 May 2020 06: 20 New
    +8
    But the author didn’t begin to ask questions at once,
    However, today he not only asks questions, but also tries to give answers to them, not from the point of view of a specialist epidemiologist, but from the standpoint of common sense

    Yes Yes. This is first, and then, as a real virologist and therapist, he begins to monotonously try to put into our brain that this is not a "particularly dangerous, but just a dangerous disease" almost "sneeze out of the blue." Well, the last chapter in general -: a teardrop, officials, pension reform, Easter, horses, people, flies, cutlets ... !! And where to put a hundred thousand zhmurov in YUSA alone?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 07: 16 New
      0
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      And where are one hundred thousand blind men in USA alone?

      This is for the liberals. Mourn.
    2. mark2
      mark2 23 May 2020 08: 00 New
      -8
      And 100 thousand blind people will be silent because it does not fit into the theory that Putin is to blame, he invented the coronovirus, as they already wrote here, to hide his joint with oil.
  16. Talgarets
    Talgarets 23 May 2020 06: 24 New
    11
    as for young people under forty

    Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 23 May 2020 06: 52 New
      14
      Quote: Talgarets
      as for young people under forty

      Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!


      From a height of 52 ... yes!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 May 2020 07: 36 New
        12
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Talgarets
        as for young people under forty

        Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!


        From a height of 52 ... yes!

        Children....
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 May 2020 22: 29 New
          +1
          For me - grandchildren, what kind of children are there. A happy age of ignorance, awareness comes much later, if at all, visits us.
      2. BYCHARA
        BYCHARA 23 May 2020 11: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Talgarets
        as for young people under forty

        Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!


        From a height of 52 ... yes!

        And I’m also in the 50s. Oh ho ho. There is something to remember and compare, and if necessary, I can hold the machine gun in my hands and shoot accurately .. If I get angry! soldier
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 23 May 2020 12: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: BUCHARA
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Talgarets
          as for young people under forty

          Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!


          From a height of 52 ... yes!

          And I’m also in the 50s. Oh ho ho. There is something to remember and compare, and if necessary, I can hold the machine gun in my hands and shoot accurately .. If I get angry! soldier


          I wonder who is minus and for what? Or such a reputation?
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 23 May 2020 22: 31 New
            +3
            And the components, there are many of them divorced today. Well, those who are on salary or piecework by cons.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 23 May 2020 23: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: NordUral
              And the components, there are many of them divorced today. Well, those who are on salary or piecework by cons.


              He suggested somehow personalizing the cons. I did not find understanding. To be afraid. Why?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 May 2020 07: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: sergo1914
                He suggested somehow personalizing the cons. I did not find understanding. To be afraid. Why?

                The minusers themselves are afraid of shame, they are afraid, ashamed of them. yes

                Recently it became clear that four elderly men, once every two or three days, regularly agreed and at the same time began to violently minus all my comments in a row over these days. And again and again in 2-3 days .....lol

                I somehow thought that some random lonely juvenile idiot with 4 nicknames was having fun, but it turned out .... belay lol laughing
                1. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 24 May 2020 09: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  He suggested somehow personalizing the cons. I did not find understanding. To be afraid. Why?

                  The minusers themselves are afraid of shame, they are afraid, ashamed of them. yes

                  Recently it became clear that four elderly men, once every two or three days, regularly agreed and at the same time began to violently minus all my comments in a row over these days. And again and again in 2-3 days .....lol

                  I somehow thought that some random lonely juvenile idiot with 4 nicknames was having fun, but it turned out .... belay lol laughing


                  Elusive Avengers? Ksanka and Gypsy who? However, I guess. (I could not resist. Himself for the Reds and some of your comments, to put it mildly, I do not support.)
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 24 May 2020 12: 28 New
                    +2
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    Elusive Avengers? Ksanka and Gypsy who? However, I guess

                    I always knew one, one was a complete surprise, I don’t know two request
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    Sam for the Reds and some of your comments, to put it mildly, don't support.)

                    this is normal. We are all different.

                    Abnormal when four adult (!) man, collusion, furiously poke, without reading, the "minus" key. Can you imagine this picture? lol They also have grandchildren, come on ...

                    It got to the point of ridiculousness: under congratulations for the holidays, in three days ... four minuses. A snapshot of the most beautiful old building (no comment) "-4", a snapshot of the Victory Arch-4 anti-Nazi -4, etc.

                    I have already Phil (Sergey) and others asked, what is happening, out of the blue?

                    I thought that the unreasonable child was amusing himself, but, you go .... request

                    PS for the stars on the shoulder straps I do not chase, I have my own, real, have ....

                    PS from me, plus
                    1. sergo1914
                      sergo1914 31 May 2020 00: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Elusive Avengers? Ksanka and Gypsy who? However, I guess

                      I always knew one, one was a complete surprise, I don’t know two request
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Sam for the Reds and some of your comments, to put it mildly, don't support.)

                      this is normal. We are all different.

                      Abnormal when four adult (!) man, collusion, furiously poke, without reading, the "minus" key. Can you imagine this picture? lol They also have grandchildren, come on ...

                      It got to the point of ridiculousness: under congratulations for the holidays, in three days ... four minuses. A snapshot of the most beautiful old building (no comment) "-4", a snapshot of the Victory Arch-4 anti-Nazi -4, etc.

                      I have already Phil (Sergey) and others asked, what is happening, out of the blue?

                      I thought that the unreasonable child was amusing himself, but, you go .... request

                      PS for the stars on the shoulder straps I do not chase, I have my own, real, have ....

                      PS from me, plus



                      Gosha. Along the way, I am also in this club. For the evening, all comments have four minuses. Even Chubais suffered.
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 24 May 2020 20: 44 New
                -1
                I agree, I would support personalization and "+" and "-".
              3. Hypatius
                Hypatius 24 May 2020 21: 40 New
                +1
                I also think it's time to edit the chat rules. How to initiate this? There is a lot of garbage, smart thoughts drown in it. Suggest, if you have already applied, not personification, but stupidly restrictions on the number / day / week / month. Especially for comments. Less is more. The administration has statistics on the "average user". I understand that pieceworkers will not like it, but I got tired of looking for sound reasoning in a heap of rubbish. Good luck.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 07: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Talgarets
      Everyone heard! I am 39 and I am a young man!

      Bring the main thing to the wife. repeat
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 23 May 2020 08: 42 New
        +2
        Bring the main thing to the wife.

        And demonstrate wink
      2. seagull
        seagull 25 May 2020 00: 06 New
        0
        One peppy grandfather was asked how he feels at 92 ...
        "I FALL just as deep, but not so many visits."
  17. Mihail55
    Mihail55 23 May 2020 06: 24 New
    16
    I do not want to touch the disease itself. You must admit that our unhappy economy has been breathing its last breath for a very long time. Until recently, there was an excuse - SANCTIONS! Now, the other's relay race is PANDEMIA!
  18. Yulaevich
    Yulaevich 23 May 2020 06: 24 New
    13
    It turns out that the governments of all countries, with a wave of a magic wand, went crazy at once and declared quarantine? There are still not everywhere fools and alarmists are sitting. My niece’s spouse is 25 years old, a half-policeman numbed his arm, a coronovirus was determined, he needs to be told that all this is nonsense and fake will smack
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 23 May 2020 06: 32 New
    -8
    Quote: Comrade
    a media show that someone started for a specific purpose

    I think this is a business project. We started production (helped from the budget), now we need to make a profit. They will forget about budget financing, there are business owners.
    Also, to increase the role of local authorities. Many did not even remember their governor, mayor. And the police didn’t speak well. Now look at the governors-deputies of the president, a lot of opportunities. Mayors are on TV. The police are fines for the population, some are being fooled. For one month ! hi
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 23 May 2020 06: 41 New
    17
    In any case, for all of us this is a lesson. And for us, and for our government. I’m not a virologist, but even I understand that in the event of a similar disease with fatal consequences, it’s necessary not to chat with your feet while sitting on the Kremlin’s fence, but to urgently close borders, prohibit the sale of tickets to countries where the disease appeared, and so on. Didn’t they know that Moscow, with its construction projects, had become a passage yard and a peddler of all sorts of diseases throughout the country? No words, some kind of mess
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 May 2020 11: 29 New
      +6
      Just imagine, I got to the hospital on March 12. There are four of us in the room. Two old women, me and a lady of 39 years old. The lady is going to go with her husband to the Emirates, asks for an urgent discharge, but the same tickets will be lost, and an extract is needed for some kind of medical report upon departure. A doctor would tell her - "Come to your senses! An epidemic of a terrible disease is spreading around the world, but in the Emirates there are a lot of Chinese." But no, she said "Yes, please!" And then, already at home since March 17, I suddenly read in Yandex: "Ours from the Emirates cannot fly away, quarantine." Well, they took them out much later. Apparently, along with the next portion of the infection. A striking general indifference.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 23 May 2020 14: 46 New
        +4
        But for such cases, if citizens do not have brains, then the government must have brains. They live on our taxes. With them, and demand.
    2. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 39 New
      +3
      This is a concrete lesson, but will they draw conclusions?
  21. Errr
    Errr 23 May 2020 07: 08 New
    0
    ... as well as those who really want to wear them for their own peace of mind during an epidemic or outbreak.
    I highly recommend watching Planet Ka-Pax and paying special attention to the evolution of the outlook of the handsome patient Ernie. smile
  22. VLR
    VLR 23 May 2020 07: 09 New
    15
    I agree that the story with Covid is very "muddy". The disease clearly does not attract plague and smallpox, in terms of the spread to the level of the epidemic (5% of the population), as I understand it, it has not reached anywhere, asymptomatic in the vast majority of cases, low mortality. And - a unique feature, the virus is very careful about the most biologically valuable categories of the human population - children (who in a normal society are saved at any cost, sacrificing everything and everything, because they are the future of the country and nation) and young people. All sorts of rhinoviruses, enteroviruses, etc. knock down children with ease, this one ignores. Either such a "humanist", or just an "old toothless wolf" who can only catch up with the weak and sick. But! In France, under the horror stories about Covid, the seemingly unkillable movement of "yellow vests" was defeated. In the United States, Trump said that 20 million people would die in the country, which, of course, is stupid - but Trump knows what he is doing: he scared the narrow-minded ordinary people, and now he says - see, what an effective president I am? How many lives of Americans saved! Do you know now who to vote for? And, at the same time, on a blue eye, from China now requires 9 trn DLR. Putin covered his joint with oil Covid. But people in Sweden and Belarus live quietly, and for some reason do not die in huge numbers, hospitals are not overcrowded, corpses are not lying on the streets, crowds of zombies do not walk on the roads. By the fall, the population of euthy countries will develop collective immunity, and that's it - Covid will forever become a common acute respiratory infection for Swedes and Belarusians. And in other countries, if it continues in the same spirit, there will be sad prospects of continuous quarantines, which will either be removed or announced for, at best, 3-4 years. But, probably, more - because in these 3-4 years, those who have already been ill will have time to lose their immunity and begin to become infected again - a vicious circle (or spiral) will form.
    By the way, the situation in Sweden and Belarus annoys so many now. Because, the Swedes and Belarusians, refusing to get sick and die massively, substitute both WHO officials and leading politicians of the world, forcing us to think about their competence and integrity. And even in Russia, a lot of people are unhappy with Belarusians: remember how much bile and irritation there were in the comments about the Victory parades in this country, they gloated that now, after 2 weeks, everyone would be slander. 2 weeks passed - and nothing! The cognitive dissonance! Why is Kovid not dangerous in Belarus, but in Russia a deadly disease? We, on the genetic plane, differ little.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 23 May 2020 07: 46 New
      +7
      If we analyze it from the point of view of earning and the artificiality of the virus, then the prospect of earning is fantastic .. All over the world, all valuable offices are traded in shares (figuratively, they are shares of ownership) .. During a pandemic, some shares fell several times (on average 2 times). Mechanism (example) ..
      At the beginning of the pandemic, we have, let N-shares worth $ 100 billion. We sell them. We are waiting for a couple of months. We buy 2,3,4 - N shares, that is, 2,3,4 times more shares for the same money ..
      Results:
      1. You own several times more shares.
      2. We are waiting for the market recovery (1-2 years) without doing anything, we have $ 200-300-400 billion worth of shares.
      Depending on the numbers, the circuit is scaled. In a couple of years, such a cool way to increase the amount of your money (stocks) by several times without doing anything, it seems there has never been in history .. But for this you need to know about the virus in advance
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 23 May 2020 08: 32 New
      +5
      Sweden is the only (except Belarus) country in Europe that did not introduce serious quarantine measures, simply offering citizens to be more careful.

      The country did not close shops, restaurants, shopping centers and other crowded places. It was never a question of restricting the movement of citizens and putting them at home.

      Last week, Sweden was ahead of many European countries in terms of the number of deaths from coronavirus per million population - 380. More only in the UK, France, Italy and Spain, countries seriously affected by the epidemic.

      By the way, in Turkmenistan there is no virus at all. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 May 2020 12: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: A. Privalov


        By the way, in Turkmenistan there is no virus at all. hi


        They can put for this word, and therefore there is no him lol In the DPRK, too, it seems not.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 23 May 2020 13: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          They can be imprisoned for this word, and therefore it does not exist in the DPRK, too, it seems not.

          Well there is no way. If only they were happy.
          When I look at such a tablet and compare two countries with approximately the same population, doubts about the reliability of the statistics of Belarus, sorry, arise.


          Not so long ago, I helped my mother (may God extend her years!) To disassemble old documents. She's about 90, but her memory is fine.
          So, we came across the death certificate of her grandfather (my great-grandfather). I remember him already very old, sitting in an armchair and reading a newspaper. I was very surprised by the record of the cause of death in the certificate: "heart failure" ...
          I remembered exactly that he passed away in 1961. I was 6 years old and I was already getting ready for school. He had cancer. He underwent two operations, and died during the third. I even remember how my mother and I went to the hospital to receive this certificate. He was signed out by some fat aunt in a small room on the basement floor. There were legs walking outside the window. Mom explained. It turns out that she was also surprised at this diagnosis, but her aunt answered her something like this: "Woman, you understand, a man has died. Let us write that they will say that they have been treating cancer badly, have done a bad operation. No one will look that he was 84 years old, everyone would have to live like that! We don't need it, but you don't care. "
          Here the Ministry of Health with statistics plays cat and mouse.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 14: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Here the Ministry of Health with statistics plays cat and mouse.

            No, he does not play at all, he carries out the order.
            He does what he is told.

            1. Fazil Sharipov
              Fazil Sharipov 23 May 2020 21: 29 New
              +1
              And our health ministry, whose order is fulfilling?
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 22: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Fazil Sharipov
                And our health ministry, whose order is fulfilling?

                Ours, whose is this?
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 29 May 2020 23: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  Quote: Fazil Sharipov
                  And our health ministry, whose order is fulfilling?

                  Ours, whose is this?

                  Not Israeli, of course.
    3. Docx2032
      Docx2032 23 May 2020 09: 07 New
      +7
      I confirm what has been said. Everything is calm in Minsk without quarantine. It is useless to prove anything to fans of "pandemics", and it is not necessary. Better to stand aside and wait for the avalanche of idiocy to sweep by.
    4. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 23 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: VlR
      And people in Sweden and Belarus live quietly, and for some reason do not die in huge numbers,

      In Sweden
      got sick 32160
      4870 recovered for several days no recovering
      DIED 3850
      Population about 10 mil
      Do you want to be in what statistics
      In Belarus
      got sick 34303
      recovered 12833
      DIED 119
      Population about 10 mil
      The continuation of the Belarusian shrimp, do you believe in them?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 23 May 2020 14: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        The continuation of the Belarusian shrimp, do you believe in them?

        Of course we believe! And in Belarusian kiwi, papaya and octopus. You are here, it’s not here! Do not slander village workers. They are sweating there, and you are here, this. negative
    5. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 May 2020 17: 13 New
      0
      Yes, everything is very simple, the clinics were not closed there, and people do not die from the consequences of this idiotic decision, but receive medical care on time for all diseases, but we have a completely different picture, and everyone is charged to the crown.
    6. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 25 May 2020 09: 41 New
      0
      Quote: VlR
      Because, the Swedes and Belarusians, refusing to get sick massively and die massively
      4000 dead, isn't that mass? In Italy, 542 deaths per million inhabitants, in Sweden 396
  23. bandabas
    bandabas 23 May 2020 07: 40 New
    10
    In any case, huge money is laundered now. People hawala sad
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 23 May 2020 11: 27 New
      +2
      Dear forum users. I can’t find the link (I watched on TV), but de jure, de facto. By the road Chibis in the Murmansk region receives reports from subordinates in masks without a mask. Insanity grows stronger.
    2. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 25 New
      +4
      Always on the mountain and problems, there were those who earned ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 23 May 2020 12: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Always on the mountain and problems, there were those who earned ...

        So, this is starting with simple funeral services
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 May 2020 12: 55 New
          +6
          This is an eternal business, but here the situation is "strike while the iron is hot" - masks, gloves, dressing gowns, antiseptics, etc. hi
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 23 May 2020 13: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            This is an eternal business, but here the situation is "strike while the iron is hot" - masks, gloves, dressing gowns, antiseptics, etc. hi

            Yes, Victor, plus - buckwheat and online lessons for children ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 23 May 2020 13: 17 New
              +5
              Yes, there is a long and continuous speculation chain.
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  24. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 07: 40 New
    +3
    SARS-CoV-2 is a new and poorly understood virus. But his family, his viral nature do not allow us to talk about his particular danger and terrible mortality.
    it is extremely interesting to know the author’s education and profession, these broad-profile tractor drivers have already tired
    author, do you have anything to do with microbiology or medicine ?!
    Primary control agents are the most common: paracetamol ...
    for the sake of truth, after this "brilliant" phrase, you can not read further
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 22 New
      +4
      And also - "... fragrant soap and fluffy towel ...". Only those who could live, they are no longer there.
  25. parusnik
    parusnik 23 May 2020 07: 42 New
    +8
    Good training in relation to the population: no more than three are going to gather, wearing masks, maintaining a distance, how the population will cope with price increases ... etc. The crowd control training was a success ...
  26. Egoza
    Egoza 23 May 2020 07: 43 New
    10
    No matter how hard they try to convince us that this virus is "natural" - I DO NOT BELIEVE! A very "successful" experiment turned out. And to find out who would launch this project? Those. let this virus go to the masses! I would ask him! But it’s too painful for many to have had their pluses from this misfortune!
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 20 New
      +5
      Unfortunately, we may never know.
      1. BYCHARA
        BYCHARA 23 May 2020 13: 12 New
        -3
        Quote: cniza
        Unfortunately, we may never know.

        Exactly! Victor .. Everyone beautifully invented and done!
  27. demo
    demo 23 May 2020 07: 43 New
    +5
    Fear will go away. Anxiety will remain. Anxiety from uncertainty. But everything has been done “for us,” for our own good, so that we worry less.

    By no means.
    Fear intensifies and anxiety grows.
    For someone’s, well, not very good, plan is beginning to draw more and more contrast.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: demo


      By no means.
      Fear intensifies and anxiety grows.
      For someone’s, well, not very good, plan is beginning to draw more and more contrast.


      Maybe this is someone's plan, but the virus is not at all comic. Take care of yourself.
  28. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 23 May 2020 07: 48 New
    +7
    Died of Coronavirus - John McDaniel of Columbus, Ohio. It was the main "common man" of the United States and denier of the pandemic. He called the pandemic a "political trick" and the quarantine regime "nonsense."

    "Are there really no people with eggs who can directly say: this COVID-19 is a propaganda ploy? Ask your friends and prove that I am wrong," he wrote on his blog on March 13.

    Two days later, McDaniel called the governor's quarantine regime, which included the closure of bars and restaurants, "stupid."
    "He has no authority on this. If you are paranoid and so afraid of getting sick, then stay at home. But do not force others to sit locked up. This madness must be stopped!"

    McDaniel was 60.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 May 2020 09: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: A. Privalov
      This madness must be stopped! "

      Well, they stopped him ..... so as not to write too much. And what was the diagnosis? Who will say now? Maybe the guy drunk
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 May 2020 11: 37 New
        +6
        Well, yes, as in a hackneyed anecdote: two bullets in the back of the head and seven stabs - coronavirus against the background of "others that complicated the course."
  29. mark2
    mark2 23 May 2020 07: 52 New
    0
    The start of mass hysteria was given from here: no, they say, we have no hospitals, no tests of our own, no drugs, no masks, no mechanical ventilation, no managers. Only billionaires-officials and billionaires-chief physicians

    And this site had a hand in this. Here every day such phrases fall.
    The author apparently came to tell about his faith.
    What's next? They promise a lot, a lot. But for now we have this: a collapsed economy, millions of unemployed, poverty and the collapsed health of the whole people. For what?

    Hey authors! Aw! Is there anyone at home? You buried the Russian economy long before the coronovirus. And your flock here buzzed all ears about it.
    You already decide on the timing of the death thereof.
    Fearing, we have already given too much to the authorities. We believed the authorities, for once again. And once again deceived. And with us it was not so much with freedom, but now it is completely ... Where is it?

    A sucker is not a mammoth, a sucker will not die out.
    Hey author, what freedom do you lack? You are already free from everything. Do you at least tell me and those around us what we lack of freedom?
  30. AK1972
    AK1972 23 May 2020 08: 08 New
    18
    Mindless copying of Western and Chinese treatment protocols, quarantine measures plus their own initiative, which in Russia is called “make a fool to pray to God ...” And all this was aimed not at work, but at controlling cash flows and citizens - a source of fines.
    There are three ways to fight the coronovirus:
    1. Chinese - hard quarantine, swell a lot of money;
    2. Swedish - do nothing;
    3. Russian - declare Chinese, implement Swedish, steal the difference.
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 May 2020 11: 39 New
      +4
      Great said! Directly aphorism.
  31. marsel1524
    marsel1524 23 May 2020 08: 24 New
    +6
    Mdaa, when it was a respected and quoted portal. I accidentally looked in, I slipped the article into Zen, I had to remember the username and password. In his surroundings, he noticed that there is a certain educational qualification, believers and unbelievers. Just to be noted, in 2012 he was ill, as doctors called atypical antibiotic-resistant pneumonia, 3 months in hospitals of different levels, my lungs did not fully recover. Take care of yourself and others.
  32. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 23 May 2020 08: 28 New
    14
    The most dangerous complication from the coronavirus is the loss of trust of all segments of the population in power at all levels !!!! But, the current "power" just won't go anywhere, it will cling to its places, to its "exclusiveness", and God forbid that this power, to raise its rating, would take, for the umpteenth time, the American pattern, a small victorious war for the good of the whole world (!!!!! ????). It's time for Putin to think about retirement and not create a stir like "if not me, then who is it." And it’s time to change the system of public administration, it’s time for the state to aim at the welfare of citizens, and not indicators in world economic ratings, it’s time to stop playing in globalization, which in fact turned out to be beneficial only to the United States and China. Well, the coronavirus, as always, will end with awards: modestly the doctors who carried the main work will be rewarded "louder" by officials from around medicine and "loud" showmen)))) Alas, this is Russia. I have no faith that the current government will make the right conclusions and actions on the pandemic.
  33. Disorder
    Disorder 23 May 2020 08: 29 New
    +4
    However, today he not only asks questions, but also tries to give answers to them, not from the point of view of a specialist epidemiologist, but from the standpoint of common sense, which many more have managed to not completely lose. The thing is that today, fortunately, there is enough information not only to intimidate the population and justify punitive measures, but also to preserve this common sense.

    And from the very first lines popped up this common sense:
    Firstly, there is no doubt that COVID-19 is not a particularly dangerous disease. But simply dangerous. The same as influenza, viral pneumonia or SARS / ARI.

    Let's use the remnants of "common sense" to ask questions: The Spanish woman, which a hundred years ago in a year and a half mowed 50 million people, was: a particularly dangerous disease, just a dangerous disease or, in general, a seasonal phenomenon superimposed on the situation in the world? And were antiseptics and
    disinfection?
  34. Operator
    Operator 23 May 2020 08: 42 New
    +3
    Author - go lick the handrail of the subway car laughing

    The new coronavirus reduces the oxygen level in the blood to zero (due to the destruction of the lower lobes of the lungs) and clogs the blood vessels with blood clots (due to the destruction of the epithelium). The use of mechanical ventilation does not help, and blood thinners lead to internal bleeding.

    As a result, the mortality (the ratio of the dead to hospitalized) of the coronavirus is an order of magnitude higher than the flu and any other acute respiratory viral infection.

    And so yes: stupid Chinese, Americans, Europeans and Russians, without consulting the author, slowed down their economies (to the state of 25% of the unemployed in the United States) - like what.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 12: 13 New
      +2
      The author clearly got excited, he will soon see and understand everything. On this I earn? - Yes, the authorities use for their own purposes? “Yes, but it's not a runny nose at all.”
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 May 2020 15: 01 New
        +1
        If the Author does not take the coronovirus seriously, then the human body does not agree with this and a powerful immune response attacks any affected organ, perceiving it as a foreign hostile body. The kidneys, liver, lungs, heart ... If a person survives, then the disabled person to one degree or another - forever. This is coronavirus.
        By the way, an ambulance has just left my entrance. Ten minutes after a man ran out of the next apartment, shouting "Stupid, you don't understand anything!" The apartment has no connection to the external locking device. He ran out, opened the entrance to the doctor, and the "stupid" who did not believe in her misfortune was taken to the covidarium. How can I get out on the stairs now? Honestly, I'm afraid.
    2. flicker
      flicker 24 May 2020 01: 11 New
      -2
      Author - go lick the handrail of the subway car


      Aha laughing , the author doesn’t seem to show a nose from the apartment, walks around the apartment in the OZK lol and for the rest he says that it’s just hysteria.
  35. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 May 2020 09: 14 New
    +7
    Quote: AK1972
    3. Russian - declare Chinese, implement Swedish, steal the difference.


    But this is the essence! hi ... Production, transport was stopped and reduced. And quarantine measures at the border and in the subjects of power were carried out symbolically. The real control was only "on camera" for the news. In March, even officials officially roamed about Asian countries "for experience". At airports, only questionnaires were used to fight the virus. Charters still fly. It was nonsense, not quarantine. In Spain, people were really happy that the quarantine regime was relaxed. And in Russia, outside of city centers, little has changed before and after the "anti-virus measures."

    "Is there life after quarantine?" - you have to ask the doctors. Students of 4-6 courses have already been thrown into the fight. The rest - "on the embrasure" / escaped / on isolation / in the martyrology.

    ps In Crimea, but a non-resort settlement, quietly and "suddenly" all the yards turned out to be clogged with unfamiliar cars from other regions, especially 777. Of course, there is no need for a virus.
  36. 1536
    1536 23 May 2020 09: 16 New
    +1
    Everyone probably knows the old army joke about the ensign, the loading of "luminium" and cast iron:
    So, "who is very literate, will go to load cast iron?"
  37. Docx2032
    Docx2032 23 May 2020 09: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: Operator
    As a result, the mortality (the ratio of the dead to hospitalized) of the coronavirus is an order of magnitude higher than the flu and any other acute respiratory viral infection.

    It does not exceed, but is determined by the level of development of mass medicine and other factors. In Belarus, with 35 thousand identified only 180 lethal. Despite the fact that in the republic 15 thousand die every month from tuberculosis, hepatitis, oncology, cardiovascular diseases and other gonorrhea. Against the background of the general pattern of acute respiratory viral infections, a vanishingly small value. In the Russian Federation and around the world it is similar.
    1. prodi
      prodi 23 May 2020 09: 29 New
      +3
      and I would not include deceased pensioners in the statistics
    2. Oleg2003
      Oleg2003 23 May 2020 11: 50 New
      +3
      Dear, and you do not know the unwritten order not to record cases of illness and death from the virus? Remember the swine flu of 2009-2010, when at least 100 people were lying in areas. with St. flu in each hospital, died in the Minsk region. no less than 10 people a day, and according to statistics, a little more than 100 people have died in the whole country throughout the whole country in Belarus. And I’m a resuscitator, I traveled a lot in sanitation then. So, do not write nonsense. And now, for example, we will not speak for the whole country, in the Oncology Research Institute there are only more than 150 people who have been ill (note, a non-core institution). And it's not about patients
  38. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 23 May 2020 09: 31 New
    +6
    The author is probably very distant from virology.
    What we have: we have a nasty virus, because hospitals are clogged with really sick people. It is a fact. The mechanism of selectivity of action on the body is unknown, it is a fact.
    The actions of the Power, in our country, are often chaotic: the mobilization of all medicine, by creating new beds (previously optimized), an attempt to stimulate medical workers (a scandal with a surcharge), the introduction of the SELF-ISOLATION regime, in case of tens / hundreds of cases of infection, and its gradual cancellation, with thousands ... Cool business with masks / gloves "at affordable prices"
    Support: business support criteria, as defined, but even some members of Ed. swearing from business)))
    Ordinary citizens themselves were isolated, but, on an electrical tape, again, far from everyone, as if not citizens, at all ..
    And yes: the banks mow, the lease was not canceled ..
  39. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 May 2020 09: 53 New
    10
    Anyone wondered how many people died from simple flu last year, the year before last, and so on? Take an interest, you will be surprised. Yes, covid is more aggressive, but people suddenly "stopped" dying from ulcers of heart attacks and other diseases. Statistics only from covid.
    Further criticism of the author, because he is not an infectious disease specialist-virologist. But the disease was painfully kind of economic. We still didn’t leave the regime of self-conclusion, but they began to frighten us with the second wave. Very much a profitable virus. They said it right here, someone made money on sanctions, now they make money on the virus. Plus, under the guise of fighting the epidemic, an opportunity appeared to control everyone.
    And here is an unexpected conclusion. No matter how criticized the party officials of the times of the USSR, medicine was free and the authorities still cared about the people. Now just insolent business is nothing personal.
    1. BYCHARA
      BYCHARA 23 May 2020 10: 21 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Anyone wondered how many people died from simple flu last year, the year before last, and so on? Take an interest, you will be surprised. Yes, covid is more aggressive, but people suddenly "stopped" dying from ulcers of heart attacks and other diseases. Statistics only from covid.

      In December and January we had an outbreak of pneumonia in the Urals, hospitals were closed in February, schools were closed for a week .. As usual at this time, there was no mortality (children were ill, no particular complications).
      .And then the hysteria in the media began! Look for someone profitable ..
  40. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 23 May 2020 09: 56 New
    -4
    The whole world is such fools, one author knows everything .... well, well
  41. Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 May 2020 10: 00 New
    +2
    Uh ... What is right, but where is the specificity, the specificity?

    And in something wrong. Well, there is no mortality from the plague, and thank God. On the website of the Russian Federation - 300 thousand infected, 3 thousand died. 1%. (without delving into the correctness of the tests)
    Isn't that enough?

    And in the beginning, while there is no clarity - what, how, whom, - have gone awry and reinsured ....
    Yes, and the oligarchic world, and the state - In the Far East immediately quarantine, and at Moscow airports, no, no.
    The elite flies home from below, children from the USA, bureaucrats from Italy (moreover, it was not covered in the press, unlike Taiwan for the common people ....). The panic subsided a little - go to work, the money does not smell ...

    About antibiotics, etc. They are needed. So that no other rubbish would climb during complications. They are prescribed even after simple dental treatment sometimes ...
    Masks are the same. Viruses do not care, but they are often in saliva and dust, and at least a mask ....
    So here is the author of that, of this ....

    And by the way, - a special project, a special project, and for the constitution of the official immortal power - the majority will vote ...
  42. Docx2032
    Docx2032 23 May 2020 10: 12 New
    +9
    Quote: Max1995
    And in something wrong. Well, there is no mortality from the plague, and thank God. On the website of the Russian Federation - 300 thousand infected, 3 thousand died. 1%. (without delving into the correctness of the tests)
    Isn't that enough?

    Not just a little, but scanty. About 200 thousand people die in Russia in a month, including infections, and no one is interested in the context of mass psychosis, quarantine and voluntary economic destruction.
    1. Oleg2003
      Oleg2003 23 May 2020 11: 39 New
      +8
      More than ever, he was far from medicine ... Google what the 1% mortality rate for various diseases is. That's not a lot!!! This is not even an epidemic, strictly speaking! This is hysteria out of the blue
      1. bk316
        bk316 24 May 2020 01: 43 New
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        This is not even an epidemic

        One more. And what about the definition of nandemia, there are some references to the size of mortality. You would first study the thesaurus.
      2. BastaKarapuzik And
        BastaKarapuzik And 25 May 2020 00: 50 New
        +1
        Which is very sad, 15% of this number of deaths are medical workers. It would seem that they should then carefully monitor the symptoms and, at the first sign, start some kind of treatment ... 1% is ours, the world has clearly different numbers, we don’t know what to expect from this virus. From flu, mortality is just over 0,1%.
  43. BYCHARA
    BYCHARA 23 May 2020 10: 30 New
    -3
    I go without a mask from the principle .. And I am afraid of those who are wearing masks and gloves, these are already potential shots for infection, their fear inside the body and head!
    1. Hypatius
      Hypatius 24 May 2020 22: 04 New
      -1
      Fear + slave reflex is developed. They are afraid of them, for those who believe in masked gloves ruin the lungs and earn eczema. And if still, the houses sit out, then in the fall these walking infections will come from immunity killed by their fears.
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 29 May 2020 23: 11 New
      0
      Quote: BUCHARA
      I go without a mask from the principle .. And I am afraid of those who are wearing masks and gloves, these are already potential shots for infection, their fear inside the body and head!

      I live and work in Moscow, here they obligated us to wear masks and gloves. For fun I shaved the Iroquois and walk in a black bandana instead of these muzzles. And no one says a word, and a year ago he would have set off the very first patrol ...
  44. Docx2032
    Docx2032 23 May 2020 10: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: BUCHARA
    I go without a mask from the principle .. And I am afraid of those who are wearing masks and gloves, these are already potential shots for infection, their fear inside the body and head!

    Even not so much for the infection of SARS as for the exacerbation and acquisition of other diseases, which are basically psychosomatic in nature. And diseases of such tens of percent of the total number of clinical cases, including in relation to mortality statistics.
  45. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 23 May 2020 10: 37 New
    +6
    Yeah .... For some reason, I agree with the author. On the one hand, I don’t want to believe what was said, but on the other, I have the same thoughts in my head for a long time, a whole world hysteria was inflated from this coronovirus, drove the population home, nullified the incomes of the whole industry, and gave others fabulous profits. Plus they taught the people to tolerate the decrees of the authorities and pay fines for nothing, and moreover, they strengthened the law enforcement forces precisely in police-punitive functions. The experiment on taming the population before trying to protest because of the derailed global economy came out with a bang, one hundred percent successful. No yellow vests in France, no striking farmers in Poland, no protesters in Hong Kong, no bulk-hadarkovites on Bolotnaya. Life is quiet. Everyone is passionate about blogs on quarantine at home in training and cooking.
  46. AleBors
    AleBors 23 May 2020 10: 53 New
    +3
    From the very beginning of hysteria, I thought that this was a profanity, the purpose of which was to run around the methods of managing the population, and cover up the beginning of the introduction of global control.
    The worst thing is that there is something really dangerous ahead of us.
  47. kig
    kig 23 May 2020 11: 11 New
    +4
    A few questions to the author.
    Testing for SARS-CoV-2 is carried out with gross violations of all the principles and postulates of determining viral diseases
    - where is the mistake? How right?
    Antibody testing is also pointless.
    - why?
    Gloves, antiseptics, disinfection are not needed. Even the WHO does not deny it
    - why do you think so? The WHO page has instructions on when to wear a mask.
    World pandemic declared after outbreak in China is not
    - why? After all, millions of people around the world have become infected.
    The statistics that we are treated every day are manipulative and unscientific
    - why do you think so? Can you prove it?

    In general, questions to you, dear Author, arise after reading almost every line.
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 May 2020 01: 41 New
      -4
      In general, questions to you, dear Author, arise after reading almost every line.

      He cannot answer them. He does not understand ANYTHING in this.
      1. kig
        kig 24 May 2020 05: 00 New
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        Yeah. There are much more conspirologists than virologists.
    2. KERMET
      KERMET 24 May 2020 10: 16 New
      -1
      I went to the WHO website and what? Recommendations to wear a mask only when caring for the patient and wash your hands with soap ....
      Everything is correct, the author points out, no gloves, no disinfection ...
      1. kig
        kig 24 May 2020 12: 15 New
        +1
        The author considers
        Gloves, antiseptics, disinfection - not needed
        - categorically. And WHO believes that in some cases they are necessary. Different things, agree?
  48. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 May 2020 11: 19 New
    -1
    Here's what to do with those who believe in coronovirus.
    An employee of the Kirov polyclinic was fired after complaining in social networks about a salary of 12 rubles. and refusal of allowance
    Open Media reports https://openmedia.io/news/n3/sotrudnicu-kirovskoj-polikliniki-uvolili-posle-zhaloby-v-socsetyax-o-zarplate-v-12-000-rub-i-otkaze-ot -nadbavki /
  49. Oleg2003
    Oleg2003 23 May 2020 11: 31 New
    +2
    All limbs for. The resuscitator himself is tired of explaining that they have been sick with the crown for thousands of years, they are and will be sick. Boiling out of the blue. But in fact, everything is simple - in all (!) Countries, a very decent loot is being used up for it. And note that in the states the intensity of anti-Russian attacks has decreased. Their elites did not fight like a child. The reason is denyuzhki. All of them are bad. To unite the people, an enemy is needed: preferably an external one. And then the Chinese with the crown appear. Bingo! Have flooded trillions of $, enough for everyone (of course, in the states), and they forgot about the Russians.
  50. cniza
    cniza 23 May 2020 12: 10 New
    +5
    Everything is very ambiguous and not so simple, the analysis of all this will happen later, when the passions depart, but for now it’s too early ...