Gold of the party

Hypothetical gold and currency funds of the CPSU, supposedly disappeared after the collapse of the Soviet Union, have not yet been found. Let’s say right away, it will be about a completely different “gold”, which also mysteriously disappeared ... It's about people, members of one of the largest party in the world.

It is known that the strength of the Communist Party of the USSR throughout almost its entire stories only increased - until 1989 inclusively. By the mid-1980s, the CPSU was the second largest political organization in the world (second only to the party in the PRC). It must be emphasized that almost all officers of our army and fleet were communists and Komsomol members.

By 1990, the number of the CPSU was more than 19 million people, that is, approximately every 15th resident of the USSR was a communist (for 293 million people).

This is just about those who “spent their lives in battle, who defended a great idea”, about our communists, many of whom became former and who are many in the new party in power, directly in the ranks of the government.

It is no secret that this was not hidden anywhere, including by the president himself, that he was a member of the CPSU, a KGB colonel.

What makes up the foundation of our government, the foundation of famous people in power?

Here is just a small list of those who are now in sight, in the power of capitalist Russia, and for whom faith in communism, as it turns out, has been replaced by faith in capitalism.

Our two first persons in the Russian Federation.

1. President Vladimir Putin has been a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since 1975.

2. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin: accessible sources indicate only that he worked as a secretary of the Komsomol committee (it is understood that he was a member of the CPSU).

Next.

Matvienko: member of the CPSU since 1972.
Naryshkin: member of the CPSU since 1976.
Medvedev: member of the CPSU since 1986
Shoigu: member of the CPSU since 1979.
Lavrov: member of the CPSU since 1972.
Sobyanin: member of the CPSU since 1986.
Bortnikov: member of the CPSU since 1975.
Seagull: member of the CPSU since 1976.
Sechin: member of the CPSU since 1990.
Chubais: member of the CPSU since 1980.
Siluanov: member of the CPSU since 1989.
Volodin: member of the CPSU since 1985.
Surkov: member of the CPSU since 1985.
Golikova: member of the CPSU since 1986.
Zorkin: member of the CPSU since 1970.

Our first president of Russia, comrade Mr. Yeltsin Boris Nikolaevich, was also a member of the CPSU (since 1961). He not only defiantly left the party, but even banned the CPSU in 1991, the party was considered illegal for about a year.

How did white turn black and black white? And the main, albeit rhetorical question: can communists be former at all, if they were real communists, can a great idea die, to which a communist should be betrayed for life?

In fact, no one was forced to join the party under torture, this was a voluntary affair, the choice was deliberate. So where did the millions of “builders of communism” go, how did they suddenly become different? Or not suddenly?

Nobody pulled publicly burning party cards under torture.

There is such a thing - a renegade. Literally a renegade (lat. Renegatus, from renego - “I renounce”) - a person who has transferred from one religion to another; figuratively, this is a person who has betrayed his convictions and transferred to the camp of opponents, becoming an apostate, a traitor.

Yesterday, man was a faithful Leninist, he was for the Soviet Union, for partnership, collectivism, and today he is already for individualism, for a consumer society, private property, capitalism ...

What, socialism was utopia, idle chatter? No, it was socialism that allowed the USSR to become a nuclear power (after 27 years) and a cosmic superpower (another 8 years later), completely eliminating illiteracy, technological backwardness and dependence, and creating a new pole of power on the planet. The Soviet Union is no more. But on March 17, 1991, an All-Union referendum was held, which raised the question of preserving the Soviet Union. The people voted in favor (from a minimum of 70,2% in the Ukrainian SSR to 97,9% in the Turkmen SSR). Those who voted in favor were stupid, did not understand the delights of capitalism?

Our current president once said: “He who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And the one who wants to restore it in its previous form does not have a head. ” By the way, Vladimir Vladimirovich also declared the impossibility of the revival of socialism in Russia, highlighting only “sociality” in capitalism. This is interesting both in terms of building a kind of “social capitalism”, and about the “head”.

I really want to understand such metamorphoses, in the end, this directly affects every citizen of the Russian Federation, especially when “sociality” is manifested in raising the retirement age, in reductions and “optimizations” of various areas of our lives. Moreover, modern Russia is notable for one of the highest taxes in the world “on the poor”, with at the same time the most sparing taxation “for the rich” (otherwise, they say, they will go into the shadows). Maybe all “sociality” here is only for the rich, and is there really “no head” for those who recall social security in the USSR, want to revive it?

I would like to understand where so many former "communists" come from and where many ordinary people have longing for the USSR. What could be the reason?

One of Lenin's latest works, “Better Less, Better” (March 1923), was dedicated to staff selection: quality is more important than a large number.

“Cadres decide everything!” (I.V. Stalin). It is quite possible to correlate with the theme of the quality of morality and devotion to ideas, reliability. It must be understood that the “extensive building of communism”, where they hoped to replace quality with numbers, to buy devotion to the idea with separate special rations, was the cause of the collapse.

Naturally, it was not without the influence of the West, which excelled in advertising and propaganda.

Everything has a beginning and an end, and perhaps it was necessary to go through what the peoples of the former Soviet Union went through. In any case, world capitalism has cast off its sheep's skins, has shown its true identity.

The same Gorbachev was deceived, outplayed by political cheaters of the West, who have no equal in hypocrisy, hypocrisy and duplicity. What was worth, for example, their word not to expand NATO east? Hope for peaceful coexistence with the West, cooperation turned out to be an illusion. Our politicians trusted the antipode of the Soviet system, the mortal enemy, who, pretending to be a fighter for democracy, saw the Russians and the Soviet people in general only as servants, and the country as a dependent raw materials appendage.

Having believed the advertising gloss of the West, many ordinary people also wanted to taste the forbidden fruit. As a result, what the Junkers did not do, the Sneakers did. The Soviet Union fell, fell "formidable in battles without drawing swords, squad." But now there is something to compare.

As has been said more than once, after the COVID-19 pandemic there will be no former world. In essence, capitalism itself has already become a planetary virus, devouring resources and corrupting society. For the sake of preserving power and profits, capitalism is ready for any, most heinous crimes. Will humanity be able to continue living under the morale of consumers and the cult of money, hope for a bright future? ..

Such conclusions suggest themselves. It’s also very interesting to know how many true communists remain ...

Comments

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Text of the Communist Code of Ethics:
- devotion to the cause of communism, love for the socialist homeland, for the countries of socialism;
- conscientious work for the benefit of society: he who does not work does not eat;
- everyone's concern for maintaining and enhancing the public domain;
- high awareness of public duty, intolerance to violations of public interests;
- collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one;
- humane relations and mutual respect between people: man to man - friend, comrade and brother;
- honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and personal life;
- mutual respect in the family, concern for raising children;
- Intransigence to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing;
- friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial hostility;
- Intransigence to the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples;
“Fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples.”

"CRESTOMATY FOR THE MARXIST-LENIN PHILOSOPHY", Moscow, 1962, v.3, p. 97

[Civil]

Degraded generation of the damned born in 1931-1973. scoured the USSR. A finger did not hit a finger to preserve medicine, education, the army ... the oil army was not able to save the oil directly.

And your vile decision doomed the veterans of the Great Patriotic War to poverty and death in the 90s and 00s.

[Stas157]

Is Putin a Communist? A good communist who serves the oligarchs! This is not a communist, but a traitor to the bright communist idea. The one whom he vowed to serve wholeheartedly.

Matvienko: member of the CPSU since 1972.
...
Medvedev: member of the CPSU since 1986
...
Sobyanin: member of the CPSU since 1986.
...
Seagull: member of the CPSU since 1976.
Sechin: member of the CPSU since 1990.
Chubais: member of the CPSU since 1980.
Siluanov: member of the CPSU since 1989.
Volodin: member of the CPSU since 1985.
Surkov: member of the CPSU since 1985.
...

That is why the USSR collapsed! Because of such "communists".

The Stalinist purges of the ranks ceased, so immediately everything was covered with weeds.

[Old partisan]

Great hit list. Still to supplement and in business. With traitors the only way.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Old partisan

Great hit list. Still to supplement and in business. With traitors the only way.

Colleague! For these, only a rope, even soap is superfluous.
Shl. I am embarrassed to ask if this is not the Partizan who loves the "Picnic" group very much? And whose awl is bungling?

[Old partisan]

I also like a picnic, like most rockers of the 80-90s. there is something to listen to. Yes, and texts with meaning.
I didn’t wear sewing. I can do it with my hands.
And partisans have been my call sign since ancient times.

[Svarog]

this is just a list of American saboteurs. With the help of which the Union was collapsed. But the list is far from complete.

[Roman123567]

Article about Party Gold ..
And the list contains one party dung ..

[lelik613]

A well-known play on words: "gold" - golden gold.

[Easyrider]

The rhetorical question is how viable is a system that is maintained in working condition only by constant repression.

[Aviator_]

Is it necessary to weed the garden, or will it be "illegal unreasonable repression against weeds"?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Civil

Degraded generation of the damned born in 1931-1973. scoured the USSR.

What does the generation as a whole have to do with it? Questions to the elite, which since the Khrushchev began to degenerate. Everything is correctly described in the article - quality was replaced by quantity, devotion by rations.

[Nikolai Korovin]

Khrushchev began to select personnel for himself in advance and eliminate competitors. Suffice it to recall the "Leningrad affair". Zhdanov, who played a huge organizational role during the war, was saved only by his untimely death. It was strictly forbidden to implicate him in this matter. Undoubtedly, by the end of the 40s, Stalin gave up, and a fight of bulldogs under the carpet began in advance. It was not the industrial commanders who took the upper hand - they were all in the party and the Central Committee, but the varnishers headed by Khrushchev. Even before Stalin's death. Malenkov, who tried to act in the spirit of diminishing the role of the party, alleviating the situation of collective farmers, and continuing the development of cooperatives, quickly lost ground, and in 1957 joined the "anti-party clique" and was completely removed. Meanwhile, perhaps it was Malenkov who for some time was the most popular among the people, especially in the countryside. But Khrushchev's demagogy misled many.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Vadim, well, you would at least change the words in places in the text))) And then like a parrot))) And from comment to comment the same thing)))) Better boy, go to a psychiatrist .... Such as you, for now, as well as those who staged a provocation on the sites with the "Immortal Regiment" this year, just like they take you for ..., quickly put them in your pants and cry loudly ...

[Civil]

Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal

Vadim, well, you would at least change the words in places in the text))) And then like a parrot))) And from comment to comment the same thing)))) Better boy, go to a psychiatrist .... Such as you, for now, as well as those who staged a provocation on the sites with the "Immortal Regiment" this year, just like they take you for ..., quickly put them in your pants and cry loudly ...

Is it true that my eyes are burning?)) Such as I, after you will try to launder all this and bring them into a human kind.) My ancestors are both in the Immortal regiment.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Fortunately, there are very few such ignoramuses; I communicate a lot with children and youth. And in their future they see themselves not as washers-cleaners of the bucket, but as creators of a new and bright, taking with them into the future the best from the experience of past generations ... but everyone has their own way)))) someone build a light, and someone- then - to live all his life among the shit, because he does not see anything else ... And about the truth, you do not know it, you know about that truth that those who pass good things as shit have been poured into your "ears" for the good ... So they poured us in at the end of the 80s, and we believed, unfortunately ... But with time they grew wiser, but you still have to grow wiser, and this is encouraging.
PS By the way - about the "Immortal Regiment", I am one of the founders (you can look at the constituent documents), so you and this popular movement will try to launder ????

[Malyuta]

Lenin warned about degenerates and opportunists in the party, Stalin cleared the ranks as best he could, but after his death the "nomenklatura" began to gain the upper hand, and we all know the result.

[Basil50]

the author of a lot of things * wound * in a modern style. He especially succeeded in replacing concepts. Bravo. American * Continuing education courses * in the style of Goebels' covenants did not disappear in vain.

[stroybat ZABVO]

B7 greetings from Argentina.
I "sometimes" take an interview here, I'm an artist :), and they ask, again often, to tell me something bad about the USSR, about life in the Soviet Union, I always answer that I was born and raised in the Golden Time of the Soviet Union and was happy.
And if they want "chernukha", let them look for some anti-Soviet ................
And when they give me this example, these disgusting "Party card burners", and they ask, they say, where are they now, the former "communists"?
Remembering that my ancestors, on the maternal side, came to Russia in the 13th century, one of them became the founder of the monastery and a saint, the other, in the 16th century, as governor, put his signature in the letter when the first Romanov became king .. .... Another ancestor, on the paternal side, in the 18th century received a medal from Peter the Great for bravery in the Battle of Poltava ....... My paternal grandfather was the chairman of the collective farm and the Communist, my maternal grandfather went all the Great Patriotic, to Berlin, as a simple Soldier ......... I answer that my Ancestors did not burn the Church and the Icon, but also did not demolish the Monuments to Lenin and Stalin.

[stroybat ZABVO]

And here we must recall my former test .....
He was in Chernivtsi, western Ukraine, he wrote poetry about communism as a "communist", he was a party organizer ..... I went to a demonstration with the Red Banner .... And in 1989, he was approached by some kind of "vuiko", like "a guy from Hutsul ", and told him that they knew he was a" communist ", but he, my former father-in-law, should burn his ticket ... and what did the" ideological communist "do?
As one scoundrel said, I have Principles, but if you do not like them, I have others.
The former father-in-law began to go to the demonstrations with a poster "Prokinet Ukraine, Muscovite ziv your fat" - "Wake up Ukraine, Muscovite ate your bacon." He also became a "true Aryan". He told me, he said, because he had already giggled, died that only someone who was born in Ukraine before 1939 can be Ukrainian ...
I asked him, and who will write down his grandchildren, my children? He, crying, answered that my children should renounce me, then he would write them down as "Ukrainians", because their father, that is, I, even worse than Russian, I am "half-Russian", that is, my mother is Russian, and my father is Ukrainian and I am not even "semi-Ukrainian", which is also the case.

[neri73-r]

With such ancestors, why Argentina?

[Mavrikiy]

Well, everything was just a graph and showed the transition of quantity into quality with a (-) sign, party degradation.

[Vend]

In the destruction of the USSR there are not only external factors, but also internal ones. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's a shame of course, because they could have kept the system and allowed people to live. China has proven it. Socialism and business can exist together.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Wend

In the destruction of the USSR there are not only external factors, but also internal ones. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's a shame of course, because they could have kept the system and allowed people to live. China has proven it. Socialism and business can exist together.

In China, peasants' pensions are much lower than Russian ones. There is not socialism, but post-Maoism. If Mao wrote about the coexistence of different forms of economy, in modern China the ownership of the implements of production of very large companies is in private hands. The country switched from Maoist exports of communism to banal capitalist expansion - the Chinese in Ghana are destroying the environment with their industry, building their own protected villages, etc.
The only thing left is the power of the CCP.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wend

Socialism and business can exist together.

It may coexist, but it’s hard to imagine that I and other site participants are in the same party cell and are sitting at the party meeting together with Usmanov, Abramovich, and the Rotenberg brothers. And what can we talk about with them, and what are our common party interests, or how to build communism, or how to fill pockets with dollars to these party members. I can’t imagine.

[Vadim237]

You will definitely not have anything to talk about with them, but I will have something to talk about in terms of investment in a particular industry and production.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim237

but I will have about what in terms of investment in a particular industry and production.

No matter how much you talk to them, they won’t. All of them are goons.

[Easyrider]

In China, only party power and slogans remained from socialism.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Wend

It's a shame of course, because they could save the system and give people the opportunity to live. China has proven it.

We, just in our majority, do not even know how ordinary Chinese live, who are not in the centers of megalopolises, but in ordinary cities and villages! So what else do you need to find out for, only from whom?

[Pavel57]

The party inevitably became one of the mechanisms of the bureaucratic machine with the inevitable internal logic of degeneration.

[New Year day]

The Communist Party died at a time when joining it gave the right to preferences of any nature. Those who joined the party during the war had one preference - to be killed first. Today's Communists, with rare exceptions, are opportunists and the chief opportunist is Zyuganov. Oddly enough, but you can be a communist at heart without being a member of the party.
The idea of ​​the Soviet state will not die, if only because our life has shown what real capitalism of the local spill is. The worse life, the more comparisons with the USSR.
With regards to ours

top officials in the Russian Federation.

1. President Vladimir Putin has been a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union since 1975.

2. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin: accessible sources indicate only that he worked as a secretary of the Komsomol committee (it is understood that he was a member of the CPSU).

and further

then these are classic examples of renegades and degenerates.

[knn54]

I repeat: "The Bolsheviks saw Lenin alive, and the Communists saw him in his grave."
Mao was right when he did regular cleanings. Stalin did not have time.
Most of the REAL Communists and Komsomol members died during the Second World War.
And who does not sink, I think everyone knows.

[Malyuta]

Quote: knn54

Most of the REAL Communists and Komsomol members died during the Second World War.

Absolutely agree with you.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: knn54

Mao was right

Well, here you can argue, from Mao the head of the collective farm is like a sparrow, he almost ruined the country

[Nasrat]

Quote: Silvestr

The Communist Party died at a time when joining it gave right to preferences any character.

I agree completely! The oligarchy freezes (does not die, but freezes in anticipation) only during tyranny ... The nomenclature of the USSR from the 60s and already to the 80s - the heyday - this is the oligarchy.

Quote: Silvestr

Today's Communists, with rare exceptions, are opportunists and the chief opportunist is Zyuganov.

They are eager to go to the feeders, like everyone else, but they are looking for easy ways - proclaimed old slogans (and you don’t have to come up with anything!) - and you are at the feeder

Quote: Silvestr

Oddly enough, but you can be a communist at heart without being a member of the party ..

Even at the end of the 80s - I saw true communists ... now I have not met one, not by their thoughts, and most importantly not by their actions ... no, of course, it's nice to speak and think correctly - there are a lot of these .. but follow in practice - this is different. I have not seen, now, in our days, not a single communist of affairs !.

Quote: Silvestr

The idea of ​​the Soviet state will not die, if only because our life has shown what real capitalism of the local spill is. The worse life, the more comparisons with the USSR.
.

People tend to forget the bad, leaving only the good in their memories, especially if it was youth ... if in the late 70s Jews massively yearned for Israel and the United States - (sure sign No. 1 - a sharpie is planned ... 2. Andropov is not accidental began to drive loafers in broad daylight ) - it means that the country’s problems were serious, but everything rolled over until it fell apart ... In fact, they didn’t deal with the country ..
Longing remained only at the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s .. - when the people did not strain, the party did not strain, in general the whole country did not strain ... it corrupts and leaves pleasant memories ...

[Pavel57]

Andropov is one of the organizers of the transformation of the USSR into a capitalist state with the appropriation of national property. All reformers left his laboratories.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Pavel57

Andropov is one of the organizers of the transformation of the USSR into a capitalist state with the appropriation of national property. All reformers left his laboratories.

I don’t argue with that ... it's a fact! As well as the fact that he drove the population from cinemas, shops, from the streets ... - well, he understood the problem of increasing labor productivity, improving discipline, etc. - the people frankly scored on their duties at that time ... and the party members no longer there were levers of influence on the population, except to assign a policeman to each employee ... - this is the same fact .. as well as the fact that the population was dragging from factories, factories, collective farms, etc. - all that was bad, even sayings appeared. .. it’s easier to drain gas than to account for it - was it? It was! ... A plant for simply could buy equipment for currency and leave rot in the open air - a fact? fact! They attributed the cotton harvest to millions of tons, for many years - a fact? fact! such facts are the sea .. All these moments are trivial and put together a puzzle ...

[Pavel57]

Well, 40 years have passed, and the threat of losing a job is stronger than the assigned police officer.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel57

All reformers left his laboratories.

Gorbachev left without a laboratory, as the first experimental link, Kalugin and Sobchak with comrades (accomplices) sent to an internship at Columbia University (Former colleague of O.D. Kalugin Alexander Alexandrovich Sokolov in his book "CIA Supercrot in the KGB. 35 years of espionage of General Oleg Kalugin ”reports that the“ leader ”, the curator of agent Kalugin was the CIA Director William Colby himself), these were already“ chicks from the laboratory ”, and how many of them were later no one knows, but they did their dirty work.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Silvestr

Today's Communists, with rare exceptions, are opportunists and the chief opportunist is Zyuganov.

There on the list above Sechin. He is definitely ideological. 100%.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

Oddly enough, but you can be a communist at heart without being a member of the party.

As JV Stalin used to say, "The patriotic communist".

[Pug]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Silvestr

Oddly enough, but you can be a communist at heart without being a member of the party.

As JV Stalin used to say, "The patriotic communist".

And Stalin also said in 1945, "I am Russian, of Georgian origin .." I take off my hat to him!
Russophobes would be worth reading, of all stripes ..
The idea was in the souls of Vlad and faith! Therefore, they broke the ridge of fascism and made the country even more powerful.
The USSR went down in history as a social state and a creative country!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pug

Russophobes would be worth reading, of all stripes.

I support! But Russophobes have already begun their work, drooling already.

[Andrey VOV]

Was the author of the article himself a communist or a Komsomol member?

[ccsr]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Was the author of the article himself a communist or a Komsomol member?

Most likely the ordinary heir to Korotich. And he has little knowledge of the material - Putney was not a KGB colonel, and in 1991 the number of the CPSU was 16,5 million people. These 16,5 million people were not renegades - mostly part of the political elite turned out to be corrupt, and as for the rest of the party, its construction itself did not make it possible to remove its leaders from the political scene without a plot or upheaval. This was the trouble of our CPSU - too many people believed it after the Great Patriotic War and post-war achievements in rebuilding the country. This was used by different crooks who, in different ways, made their way to the top of power, which was the reason for the collapse of the USSR.

[Per se.]

Quote: ccsr

Most likely the ordinary heir to Korotich. Yes, and he poorly owns material

I didn't want to participate in the discussion, the article is a personal opinion, not a dissertation defense, but I will make one exception. First, it was not 1991 that was indicated, but 1990 in the text (more than 19 million people). Secondly, in the KGB, Putin was first awarded the rank of "major" and then "lieutenant colonel". Vladimir Putin, with the rank of lieutenant colonel in the reserve, left the authorities; by the 2000 presidential elections, he became a colonel.

Let it be on your conscience about the "ordinary heir of Korotich".

For those who read the text of the article more carefully, I must apologize for the typo, not "Junkers", but "Junkers".

[ccsr]

Quote: Per se.

Firstly, it was not 1991 that was indicated, but 1990 according to the text (more than 19 million people).

Those. you are biased in choosing material from our history, and present it as the ultimate fact. And why the number of the CPSU, for example, was not taken in 1953?

Quote: Per se.

Vladimir Putin left the organs with the rank of lieutenant colonel of the reserve,

This is the last rank that he achieved during his service, i.e. according to him, we can assume that he achieved as a member of the CPSU.

Quote: Per se.

for the 2000 presidential election, he became a colonel.

We and Zhirinovsky linden colonel, and the CPSU in 2000 did not exist, so do not juggle this title, especially since it was not given to the KGB of the USSR.

Quote: Per se.

Let it be on your conscience about the "ordinary heir of Korotich".

The general subtext of the article led me to this idea, so my conscience here can hardly serve as an excuse for you in the selection of material.

[Per se.]

Quote: ccsr

And why the number of the CPSU, for example, was not taken in 1953?

Because not in 1953 there was a maximum number and not this time was the time of the collapse of the country. Here, 1990, the last full year of the USSR, just with the maximum number of members of the CPSU, and in 1991, the collapse, which ended in the death of the USSR, had already begun.

Quote: ccsr

so do not juggle with this title, especially since it was not given in the KGB of the USSR.

I just want to say, excuse me, - "Ukrainian obstinacy" ... Vladimir Putin served in the KGB? Yes, I did. Received the rank of "colonel"? Yes, I received. As well as a member of the CPSU he was. Of course, the "KGB colonel" is in many ways figurative, if it makes it easier for anyone, let him be at least a KGB captain, a colonel of the FSB (or another structure).

Quote: ccsr

so my conscience here can hardly serve as an excuse for you in the selection of material.

Your conscience in the selection of material has nothing to do with it. All the best.

[ccsr]

Quote: Per se.

Here, 1990, the last full year of the USSR, just with the maximum number of members of the CPSU, and in 1991, the collapse, which ended in the death of the USSR, had already begun.

In 1990, various crooks fled from the CPSU, and demonstratively, to head other political parties or movements, which is why the true members of the party should not be considered by scum, but by those who remained in the ranks in 1991. But of course this approach will not suit you - it will be more difficult for you to justify your manipulation of numbers. By the way, you called the population of the USSR at 293 million people, although such a figure is not officially mentioned anywhere, and the 1989 census pointed to the figure of 286 million people. Where did the firewood come from?

Quote: Per se.

... Did Vladimir Putin serve in the KGB? Yes, I did. Received the rank of "colonel"? Yes, I received.

No need to fantasize - he left the KGB with the rank of lieutenant colonel:

According to Putin, he twice filed a report on dismissal from the organs of the KGB of the USSR in the 1990s after moving to work in the mayor's office of Leningrad. On August 20, 1991, during a speech by A. A. Sobchak against the GKChP, Putin wrote a report on his dismissal from the KGB.

Quote: Per se.

Of course, the "KGB colonel" is in many ways figurative,

Well, your artistic images have nothing to do with facts, so you need to warn readers about this when writing articles about someone.

[Andrey VOV]

But they didn’t answer the question: were you a member of the CPSU or the Komsomol?

[Per se.]

Quote: Andrey VOV

And the question was not answered

Andrey, why do you need this? Above, Sylvester wrote in the commentary, "Oddly enough, you can be a communist at heart without being a party member." Isn't that enough? If I say little, I took the military oath in June 1979, which I still remember. And, yes, like many of my army comrades, I was a member of the Komsomol. As for the party, I thought that a freak like me was not worthy of it. In general, your question is about personal, which is not related to the opinion in the article. Let's close this topic.

[depressant]

I would compare the USSR, starting with the Khrushchev era, with the wide river of time, along which the members of the CPSU each sailed on their own raft. The CPSU Central Committee and the Politburo had a common, well-equipped raft with an observation tower, and many had an eye on personal well-being. The nearest sailors saw it, out of selfish interests they tried to stay close. Some managed to become attached to the "leading" raft, thereby expanding its area, hence strengthening its buoyancy. From the tower of the "leading" raft it was noticeable how the time-river was acquiring more and more a very attractive oil color. Honest communists modestly and principledly sailed behind, at a distance, did not make any attempts to become attached to the "leader", being left alone with their own convictions and the belief that the "leading" raft knew where he was sailing. They did not catch the pollution of the river of time by the selfish color of oil. Only the flow was slowing down and uncomfortable questions arose. And the "leaders" lived their own lives, gradually coming to the thought: "Why do we need those behind? The need to adjust the direction according to their bewilderment strains! Let's turn into this channel - there is, of course, a steep waterfall that we can see, and to them - no, but behind it is an oil sea with an attractive color of personal wealth. Having successfully overcome the waterfall due to the strength of the united raft, we will survive, and those behind, drowning in a viscous liquid, will perish, and we will finally get rid of from the eternal bewilderment in their eyes and this annoying “Kamo is coming?” And they did so. They survived. They reign, sailing in the seas of oil. But the real communists, due to party discipline, strictly following the “leaders”, lost fragile rafts-party cards (they drowned) and either disappeared in the abyss of a crooked murky time with an oil and bloody color, or they somehow wallow in its murk until now, gradually and slowly sinking to the bottom.

[Pug]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Was the author of the article himself a communist or a Komsomol member?

Yes, even a pioneer, but he wrote well .. There is something to think about, especially to "former communists and Komsomol members" in power (especially to those who sit in London, etc.) .. To whom and what they owe!

[prior]

Alas, I have to admit, Russia is a country of traitors to the Soviet Union led by traitors.

[Akuzenka]

I can not agree. And from a legal and moral point of view, you are absolutely right.

[Pavel57]

Nicholas II also threw off the environment, which swore allegiance to him.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Pavel57

Nicholas II also threw off the environment, which swore allegiance to him.

Also, it's like, who else?

[Pavel57]

There are many such examples in the Romanov dynasty. The betrayal of "Khrushchev" (and in fact the entire top - the former associates of Stalin) will be considered?

[sabakina]

Hypothetical gold and currency funds of the CPSU, supposedly disappeared after the collapse of the Soviet Union, have not yet been found.

Kolchak's gold is gone. The NSDAP gold is gone. CPSU gold is gone. An interesting property of gold however ...

[Pavel57]

Kolchak’s gold did not disappear, it was distributed between the banks of Japan, the Czech Republic and the USA,

[Doliva63]

Quote: Pavel57

Kolchak’s gold did not disappear, it was distributed between the banks of Japan, the Czech Republic and the USA,

Was it Kolchak's gold?

[Nasrat]

Quote: sabakina

Hypothetical gold and currency funds of the CPSU, supposedly disappeared after the collapse of the Soviet Union, have not yet been found.

Kolchak's gold is gone. The NSDAP gold is gone. CPSU gold is gone. An interesting property of gold however ...

Well, the gold of the CPSU did not disappear ... as it was spinning during the Union in offshore, it is still spinning ..

[Pavel57]

Suslov was not engaged in ideology, but in the party’s external accounts.

[ccsr]

Quote: sabakina

CPSU gold is gone.

This is a myth - it would have been found if not by our special services, then by foreign ones, for sure. there has been no banking secrecy for thirty years. It's just that not everyone knows that we provided financial support to many communist parties and movements, to put it mildly, without advertising it, that's where what is now called "party gold" went.

[sabakina]

Did you find the German "golden" train?

[Pavel57]

The Germans brought gold to Switzerland, and after the war it worked for the restoration of Germany, in the first it, and not the Marshall plan.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Pavel57

The Germans brought gold to Switzerland, and after the war it worked for the restoration of Germany, in the first it, and not the Marshall plan.

First of all, their brains, mentality and hands worked to restore Germany. Then the Marshall plan - grandmas they were given less than the less destroyed francs and shavers. As for gold - I haven’t read it anywhere.

[Pavel57]

There is a judgment that since 1943 the aim of the German war was to hold out for the export of values ​​to Switzerland. They coped with this task. And the plan / Marshall gave less than 20% of the amount spent on rebuilding Germany.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Pavel57

There is a judgment that since 1943 the aim of the German war was to hold out for the export of values ​​to Switzerland. They coped with this task. And the plan / Marshall gave less than 20% of the amount spent on rebuilding Germany.

I haven’t read this anywhere, but I read a lot about how to restore Germany.

[Pavel57]

Krasnodar, if I find a link to you personally I will drop it.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, you can in PM, thank you in advance

[ccsr]

Quote: sabakina

Did you find the German "golden" train?

And was he? Or is it from the series that the Germans allegedly in 1945 approached the creation of the atomic bomb.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: ccsr

. It’s just that not everyone knows that we provided financial support to many communist parties and movements, to put it mildly, without advertising it.

well, actually, nobody makes this secret

Quote: ccsr

because there has been no banking secrecy for thirty years now.

True, the party’s assets are of an older origin, and no one has opened accounts from the NAME of the CPSU, if they are certainly not to members of the Central Committee or the Politburo, in addition, it’s not only money, but also precious metals and drag stones in cells , it is possible that stocks, etc.

[ccsr]

Quote: Barmaleyka

well, actually, nobody makes this secret

They don’t make secrets - just not everyone knows the extent of this. For example, the publication of millions of copies of the works of Lenin and Marx in almost all languages ​​of the peoples of the world, or the books of Brezhnev - it all came out pretty much. Or the preparation of partisans for work in Latin America - you can’t prescribe it in the budget, and the party’s money was used.

Quote: Barmaleyka

if they are, then certainly not the members of the Central Committee or the Politburo,

That's for sure - they generally could only make some general decisions, and technically, completely different people were engaged in this.

Quote: Barmaleyka

in addition, it is not only money but also precious metals and precious stones in cells, it is quite possible that stocks, etc.

If by and large, the only currency was the US currency, and therefore it is unprofitable to associate with various other values ​​in the operational plan.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: ccsr

about running was only the US currency

do not tell me, in Africa they brought pants

[ccsr]

Quote: Barmaleyka

do not tell me, in Africa they brought pants

And then they were carried to the hucksters for resale, in order to get currency for the rebels' salaries? It is doubtful, because such a process could only be in the opposite direction, and even then it is unlikely that the leaders of the CPSU needed to get involved in this, so as not to get into an unpleasant story.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: ccsr

And then they were carried to the hucksters for resale, in order to get currency for the rebels' salaries

what salaries do you say is money of specific princes, rebels received a salary by bananas

[ccsr]

Quote: Barmaleyka

what salaries do you say is money of specific princes, rebels received a salary by bananas

Well, yes, the Cubans in Angola fought for Fidel’s money - tell this to someone else.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: ccsr

Well, yes, the Cubans in Angola fought for Fidel’s money

it’s just that this money appeared after the sale of their cane to us, by the way underestimate the ideological component of the Cubans, and especially do not compare it with blacks from Africa

[Mavrikiy]

[quote = sabakina] [quote] Kolchak's gold is gone. The NSDAP gold was gone. The gold of the CPSU was gone. An interesting property of gold, however ... [/ quote] The philosopher's stone was invented, did not they know? Gold turns into promissory notes and ends up in banks. There is a service, it seems, is called "State Search". Are felt.

[Akuzenka]

Can humanity continue to live with consumer morality and the cult of money, hope for a bright future ?.

Of course he can. Only a very short time, by historical standards.

[Pavel57]

The ideas of communism are wonderful, but utopian. In the USSR, the ideologists of communism brought this utopia to the specifics - by 1980. we will live under communism. And after that it is already difficult to talk about faith in a brighter future.

[ccsr]

Quote: Pavel57

The ideas of communism are wonderful, but utopian.

Then can explain why these ideas allowed the USSR to become the second country in the world, and after its collapse, China, also guided by these ideas, became the first state in terms of GDP?

Quote: Pavel57

And after that it is already difficult to talk about faith in a brighter future.

So the question of your faith is not the main one here - the question is why the countries that built socialism became economically successful, and in a short time. For example, Vietnam, which fought even more than the USSR in the second half of the XNUMXth century, is now becoming one of the leaders in Southeast Asia.

[Pavel57]

The question is whether only ideas about a bright future allowed the USSR to make a breakthrough? Is it only communist ideology (which question is in reality) that allowed China to make a breakthrough? Moreover, China is tied with an umbilical cord to the United States.

[ccsr]

Quote: Pavel57

The question is whether only ideas about a bright future allowed the USSR to make a breakthrough?

What prevented the Russian Empire from becoming the second country in the world in terms of GDP before its collapse?

Quote: Pavel57

Moreover, China is tied with an umbilical cord to the United States.

“Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action” - this explains everything in the CCP's behavior. Even Lenin understood the significance of the NEP - so draw a conclusion on how to build socialism.

[Pavel57]

ccsr (ccsr), the Russian Empire was hindered by financial dependence on Britain, in the economic from Germany and political from the Entente.

[Aviator_]

The Russian Empire was hindered by financial dependence on Britain

Forgot France with its loans.

[apro]

Quote: Pavel57

The question is whether only ideas about a bright future allowed the USSR to make a breakthrough?

Not only ... I think this is also economic leverage. Such as national and state ownership of the means of production. Where all surplus value is spent on national needs. To improve the situation of citizens. The foreign trade monopoly eliminates unequal relations with foreign countries. Planned conduct of the Soviet economy. closed financial system.

[apro]

Quote: Pavel57

In the USSR, the ideologists of communism brought this utopia to the specifics - by 1980. we will live under communism.

And what bothers you? Economically, IVStalin calculated. Based on the growth rate of the Soviet economy, that the basic material foundations of communism would be created in time for 1980.

[Pavel57]

apro (Oleg Frolov), and the population is deeply purple that the leaders consider, if there is no promise, then the whole structure is false.

[apro]

Quote: Pavel57

if there is no promise, then the whole construction is false

But does such a population need communism? If everyone brings it on a silver platter, the USSR was a nation-wide state where every citizen is obliged to make efforts to build a common good ...

[Pavel57]

apro (Oleg Frolov) - "The USSR was a state of the whole people where every citizen is obliged to make efforts to build the common good .."

This construction didn’t work in preserving the USSR,

[Barmaleyka]

the same thing happened to the Party in the Great Patriotic War as the French in the First World War - those who were the vanguard died, replaced by the opportunists who had the idea before the bulb

[Krasnodar]

Not certainly in that way. The privileged clinics did not give them the same medicine that hospitals accessible to any German workaholic from Germany. An example of Andropov is a kidney, they could extend life in Germany, as they suggested. He refused, because was a decent brow. Therefore, for the republican party elites, the way out was obvious - to break up, make money by privatization - and be treated in the West and instead of the Volga or the Seagull, Mercedes and Maybach and open shopping, etc.

[Pug]

Quote: Krasnodar

An example of Andropov is a kidney, they could extend life in Germany, as they suggested. He refused, because was a decent brow.

And then decency? The KGB was headed by Andropov, and if he had begun to be treated in the west, there is already a threat .. if there could have been anything done to him! (Andropov’s body was too exhausted by the workaholic, he was too much and started taking care of his health too late, and maybe they helped ..)
You really praise Western medicine ... We have no worse medicine than in your Israel, we simply do not know how to PR.

[Krasnodar]

Worse than in Israel, Germany, South Korea, Switzerland and further down the list. Even in the best elite performance (special clinics) at the time of the Union, the only thing that was at a good world level was traumatology. Now everything is normal with regard to vessels - including CABG. Heart valve replacement - problems are already starting.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

Worse than in Israel, Germany, South Korea, Switzerland and further down the list.

this is probably why we have a lot of Germans and Baltic states treated in KO

[Pug]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: Krasnodar

Worse than in Israel, Germany, South Korea, Switzerland and further down the list.

this is probably why we have a lot of Germans and Baltic states treated in KO

I remember young guys standing at the assembly line from 8 a.m. to 2 a.m. .. It was something and was not being treated by the elite, although there were deputies (they all teased) and simple welders from the village ..

Quote: Krasnodar

Now everything is normal with regard to vessels - including CABG. Heart valve replacement - problems are already starting.

Valves, pacemakers, etc. they also change, it’s true, but it's free for everything .. In the wards it’s a bit crowded, of course, but they all operate .. and then the sanatoriums, etc. Thanks to the doctors! I thought. That is all Khan. The main thing is to turn in time ..
And if to the Moses of Israel, then have a couple packs of dollars with you .. (No offense ..)
I remember one boasting in the ward that for 5 thousand Bakinsky they put up a stand, somewhere .. And the question is, what are you doing here then? Hush up and shut up .. We set him to see the bullshit bullshit ..

[Krasnodar]

Valves - depending on how complicated the procedure is. Four months ago, he put a 64-year-old woman near Berlin, yes, a pack. 30 thousand euros plus or minus. Or 2400 rubles. But they didn’t want to change in Bakulev.
But it was necessary.
Not put bullshit. It's just that every stent gets clogged. I was immediately put on a heart attack in Russia. I don’t complain too, but sooner or later I will have to do CABG.

[Pug]

Quote: Krasnodar

Valves - depending on how complicated the procedure is. Four months ago, he put a 64-year-old woman near Berlin, yes, a pack. 30 thousand euros plus or minus. Or 2400 rubles. But they didn’t want to change in Bakulev.

Did you personally put Krasnodar? You are like a system programmer and father-in-law your farmer in Russia .. When do you manage to do all this?

Quote: Krasnodar

It's just that every stent gets clogged. I was immediately put on a heart attack in Russia. I don’t complain either, but sooner or later I will have to do CABG.

Well, I’m not complaining either .. But you wrote a strange comment, do you bet or not you? You cunning Jew nevertheless .. (no offense))))

[Krasnodar]

Am I a system programmer?
I'm a slob.
So - three main activities:
1) Organization of treatment abroad - Germany (Ruhr, Berlin) and Israel (center of the country)
2) Assistance in certification (SGR of Rospotrebnadzor) - dietary supplements, disinfection, special nutrition, paints
3) Wholesale trade in vegetables and fruits - father-in-law, mainly a grain. On my topic - only cherry plum and apples from him.
Medicine is only an organization. Fast translation of Russian documents, referral to the right doctor in the right clinic and providing escort.
When I have time - I hang out on the Internet for days Look at the number of my comments on VO

[Pug]

Quote: Krasnodar

Am I a system programmer? lol
I'm a slob

You are a Jew who came from Israel and your Russian wife does not want to leave for yours .... Yes, and you, too, are not particularly torn As I understand it)))

Quote: Krasnodar

1) Organization of treatment abroad - Germany (Ruhr, Berlin) and Israel (center of the country)
2) Assistance in certification (SGR of Rospotrebnadzor) - dietary supplements, disinfection, special nutrition, paints
3) Wholesale trade in vegetables and fruits - father-in-law, mainly a grain. On my topic - only cherry plum and apples from him.

Well, you and the cool guy, as it turned out! And before, they were more modest, like a modest IT specialist, well, a little bit, mostly I'm dealing with the family)))))))

Quote: Krasnodar

Medicine is only an organization. Fast translation of Russian documents, referral to the right doctor in the right clinic and providing escort.

Money, as I understand it? This does not take away from you .. you know ..))
"The right doctors" are appreciated in the world, but they do not always cure ..

Quote: Krasnodar

When I have time - I hang out on the Internet for days laughing. Look at the number of my comments on VO

Yes, Krasnodar has always suspected you a proxy of a Jew ..
And so humble were at first, remember? ! Well, I’m looking at VO and you have succeeded in your chatter ..
Well, lastly, your favorite with dancing, etc.

Rejoice and write complaints .. You know the address!

[Krasnodar]

1) Do not tear))
2) Conda, I was an IT specialist - I have three classes, five corridors.
3) Money. Of course, they are not always cured - the cases are different.
4) For your beloved - thanks
5) I can’t imagine the idiot who should write complaints about you - you’re a drummer of this site, without you it’s not that.

[A good one]

Quote: Pug

Quote: Krasnodar

Am I a system programmer? lol
I'm a slob

You are a Jew who came from Israel and your Russian wife does not want to leave for yours .... Yes, and you, too, are not particularly torn As I understand it)))

Quote: Krasnodar

1) Organization of treatment abroad - Germany (Ruhr, Berlin) and Israel (center of the country)
2) Assistance in certification (SGR of Rospotrebnadzor) - dietary supplements, disinfection, special nutrition, paints
3) Wholesale trade in vegetables and fruits - father-in-law, mainly a grain. On my topic - only cherry plum and apples from him.

Well, you and the cool guy, as it turned out! And before, they were more modest, like a modest IT specialist, well, a little bit, mostly I'm dealing with the family)))))))

Quote: Krasnodar

Medicine is only an organization. Fast translation of Russian documents, referral to the right doctor in the right clinic and providing escort.

Money, as I understand it? This does not take away from you .. you know ..))
"The right doctors" are appreciated in the world, but they do not always cure ..

Quote: Krasnodar

When I have time - I hang out on the Internet for days laughing. Look at the number of my comments on VO

Yes, Krasnodar has always suspected you a proxy of a Jew ..
And so humble were at first, remember? ! Well, I’m looking at VO and you have succeeded in your chatter ..
Well, lastly, your favorite with dancing, etc.

Rejoice and write complaints .. You know the address!

It looks like Moska ran into an Elephant. Do not tear Gavkalku dvorterrier.

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

So - three main activities:

From boredom of all trades - these are the names of such entrepreneurs in our country.

[Krasnodar]

The main thing is that you calmly count your billions

[A good one]

Quote: Krasnodar

The main thing is that you calmly count your billions

C'mon, he’s a well-known idle talk on military-strategic topics, a booklet consultant and a sought-after patron of the tribune when meeting with his former whispers and inspectors-inspectors.

[Krasnodar]

Greetings, glad to see on the site!
When he leaves his pathos; sometimes it writes interesting things)).

[A good one]

Quote: Krasnodar

Greetings, glad to see on the site!
When he leaves his pathos; sometimes it writes interesting things)).

Greetings, Friend He wrote and writes a lot and makes information that can be said to be previously confidential, it’s obvious that Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky doesn’t fall under the fingernail, and that’s how he was checking and revealing shortcomings in the troops, in the Warsaw Pact troops.

[Krasnodar]

Critics in any sphere of life - a special people

[ccsr]

Quote: Not bad

here are the sketches, as he was a reviewer and revealed shortcomings in the troops, in the groups of troops of the Warsaw Pact.

Don't be jealous, verbiage - I was doing what I was instructed to do, but what you did in the army is clear to me, since you think that checking was my main job. But what I learned more than such an "expert" as you - that's what I have no doubt about. I just don't like it when people like you lie here shamelessly - so you have to show people what they are worth.

Quote: Not bad

seen under the nail Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky does not fall,

Relax smart guy - all I write about is mainly the Soviet period, and after the collapse of the USSR, everything that related to military secrets is no longer relevant, because a huge number of top-level officers and generals have appeared in Israel, Europe, the United States and in hostile republics former USSR. What kind of Felix Edmundovich are you talking about if the Banderaites and other post-Soviet public have left a huge number of OV stamps, and they have long passed them to foreign intelligence services.

[Krasnodar]

This is probably why tens of thousands of Russian citizens are being treated in Israel, Germany, Switzerland and South Korea.
And teeth - yes, a lot of people do in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

This is probably why tens of thousands of Russian citizens are being treated in Israel, Germany, Switzerland and South Korea.

and for frequent it’s not a necessity but a show off

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Barmaleyka

and for frequent it’s not a necessity but a show off

Grandmothers are collecting money for children from Israeli and German clinics on TV via SMS - is this a show off? And the five-year survival rate for cancer patients in the Russian Federation is 40%, about 65% in Germany, about 68% in Israel - are also show-offs? Moreover, the equipment on Kashirka and Herzen in Moscow is better than Israeli.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

Grandmothers are collecting money for children from Israeli and German clinics on TV via SMS - is this a show off?

and this is just a modern healthcare system

[Krasnodar]

According to Israeli and German doctors, immigrants from the Union - modern Russian medicine (not talking about the healthcare system) is better than the USSR. Though he keeps up with the times.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

According to Israeli and German doctors, immigrants from the Union - modern Russian medicine

Here the puncture medicine of the USSR sucks, but with e
that cool medicine in Germany and Israel do ours, after that it’s not funny

[Krasnodar]

There is such a bike, but this is a myth - there are enough among our therapists, 25-30 percent (among Jews), among specialists 10 percent in Israel, 1,5 percent in Germany. Departments - there is a little bit in Germany, 3-4 percent in Israel. The medicine of both countries has one base - the German beginning of the 20th century. Plus borrowing from the American and Western European. Our people there must relearn and pass an exam.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

According to Israeli and German doctors, immigrants from the Union

who is lying?

[Krasnodar]

Well, of course, all of them, without exception

[Pug]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Barmaleyka

and for frequent it’s not a necessity but a show off

Grandmothers are collecting money for children from Israeli and German clinics on TV via SMS - is this a show off? And the five-year survival rate for cancer patients in the Russian Federation is 40%, about 65% in Germany, about 68% in Israel - are also show-offs? Moreover, the equipment on Kashirka and Herzen in Moscow is better than Israeli.

Are you doing advertising for your business here?
I understand you rightly. Enough already here to advertise their Jewish schemes ...
I thought you were a normal Jew .. But alas!
All of you, if only to tear off the money and then even advertise yourself .. You do not heal your teeth by chance?

[Krasnodar]

such advertising can be found in the public domain on the Internet))
No i don't do teeth

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

Not certainly in that way. The privileged clinics did not give them the same medicine that hospitals accessible to any German workaholic from Germany.

what nonsense, it's from the series what bad TVs we had and what good now

[Krasnodar]

This is from a series of tales about excellent Soviet medicine. CT in the West appeared in the 70s, laparoscopy in all ashes in the early 80s, in the USSR X-ray, palpation, abdominal surgery - and then we'll see. I’m silent about oncology.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Krasnodar

This is from a series of tales about excellent Soviet medicine.

do not specify if everything is so cool then what happened in the states with the virus? !!!
and if everything is so bad with us, why haven’t we rested yet?

Quote: Krasnodar

full ash laparoscopy in the early 80s

and that she was in the USSR already in the late 70s (V.S. Savelyev, O.S. Kochnev, V.S. Mayat, Yu.A. Nesterenko)

[Krasnodar]

In the States, two things happened to the virus:
1) Pensioners, i.e. the most vulnerable part of the population, they sit in cafes and travel the world. With us, they are self-isolated without quarantine - a trip to Pyaterochka and the clinic.
2) Amer's medicine super - health care system - sucks. Everyone decides whether to pay him insurance or not, and public hospitals at the level of our district
3) In the USSR, the most common method of CABG (vein from the leg) was invented. The question is what was in the masses and what was in the framework of clinical experiments.
Once again - orthopedic traumatology was good - Elizarov and Co. The rest is sucks.

[WayKheThuo]

The author of the article asks: "... how many true communists remain?"
I answer, dear author, there are none left.
More truly, it is possible that certain true communists live in Russia, but their percentage is extremely small and these people do not play any influence on the social and political life of my country.
True communists laid their heads on the Civil Front, then undermined their health during the Industrialization, then vomited their lungs in the basements of the Lubyanka, then rose to attack during the Great Patriotic War, then rebuilt the country in the difficult post-war years, and then these people simply ended, finally finished off by the party nomenclature, which perfectly took advantage of the fruits of their labors.
What did you expect? The survival rate among the real Communists was very low - it is difficult to expect a high percentage of reproduction in the population that is the first to attack, takes on the most difficult and crucial areas of work, takes everything to heart and lives in good conscience.
You might mistakenly think that the true Communists did everything themselves, alone. Of course not. But they, and this is very important, set the tone, by their own example on the ground, "on the ground" showed people how to live, relate to their work, to their comrades and to their country.
This was the most unique human material, accumulated over the centuries and for the most part completely completely ineptly wasted by my people somewhere in the mid-60s of the last century.
And now everything - Danko’s heart went out, trampled into the mud by a crowd of fellow citizens, led by a golden calf to a beautiful life and the best that can be in my country at the moment are just ordinary, decent people fighting for their rights and demanding that the state, in general something existing on their money fulfilled its direct duties.
I think so.

[Pavel57]

It remains to be determined - What is a true communist?

[apro]

Quote: Pavel57

It remains to be determined - What is a true communist?

Why do you need this? For what purpose are you interested in?
In fact, who is this ...

[Pavel57]

about (Oleg Frolov), you use this term, most likely it is something abstract.

[apro]

Quote: Pavel57

about (Oleg Frolov), you use this term, most likely it is something abstract.

Give an example ... I personally do not use this term. For me, either a communist or not.

[Pavel57]

What International are you for? What program documents do you follow?

[ccsr]

Quote: WayKhe Thuo

And now everything - Danko’s heart went out, trampled into the mud by a crowd of fellow citizens, led by a golden calf to a beautiful life, and the best,

Although artistically, it is absolutely correctly described.

[Knell wardenheart]

This "True Communist" is a rather abstract thing. The old Bolsheviks pretty much polemicized and experimented with things that seemed like the wildest game 20 years after the revolution. These "true" ones were chopped down by Stalin, some for reasons, some not. They were replaced by the "hurray-Trudoviks" who did not ask unnecessary questions, whom you probably mean by true communists. These people were a product of the era of tough selection - they generally represented communism as Comrade Khrushchev - that we are today, oh, and tomorrow, oh, and we will build carts and factories, and that's it - there will be at least socialism. They practically did not see the bourgeoisie, except perhaps in humorous magazines or carefully selected chronicles. Many (the overwhelming majority) did not speak foreign languages ​​- and this means that they could have been told ANYTHING about the insidious imperialists - they would have swallowed it. Of course, these were strong and ideologically stable people (for all this) - but they were wiped out by the war, and moreover, they were a generational phenomenon, born in a truly closed country, really surrounded by enemies.
Then we have a generation of front-line communists, those who joined the party at the final stages of the Second World War, saw Europe, saw how quick decisions were made and made conclusions from this. Together with this generation, we receive conclusions, which in due measure resulted in the "Brezhnev Stagnation" - these people slowly gravitated towards gigantomania, a rise in living standards, a stable gerontocracy and a de facto look at the standards of the capitalist countries. This was the last generation more or less believing in communism and what the propagandists were talking about. These people are being replaced by comrades born in the 1950s, whose youth falls on Brezhnev - there is no longer Hitler and Co., there are no more savory bourgeois in kid gloves and top hats, the USSR is already a nuclear monster with a mix of Khrushchev and communal apartments in the rear - the focus of attention of this generation comes not on external enemies, but on what they have 40 years after the revolution. They have the opportunity to compare this with how quickly Europe is recovering from BB2. They compare.

So, perhaps I will agree - there are no “communists” left in the current communists. They themselves weeded them out - either by force, or circumstances helped, or in a peaceful life and undercover struggle, they ate, or, finally, did not leave ideological offspring, preferring to hunt for a tour, beaver hats and departmental sanatoriums to really bring up a shift.

[WayKheThuo]

In fact, damn sorry for these people, and at any stage of the USSR. They believed, and most importantly, did everything to ensure that "... happiness to everyone and no one left offended," but the fruits of their labors are used by those who shyly cover Lenin's name during official events - such is the squiggle.
Well, history is really written by the winners or those who imagine themselves to be them - they are now trying their best, but the problem is that time puts "all semicolons" in any way, and the deeper they try to bury the past, the clearer it appears on their foreheads the simple inscription "TRAITOR".

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, you can acquire dual citizenship, integrate children into Western society, and then in time, in old age and with the accumulated funds, steer "there", so that from there screaming that people are being eaten here, and that there was no strength to endure, etc.) Yeltsin about his KPSS-past "I was green then." Who was the first to pile a pile on others, and he is right. There in the west they will understand - and here the popular censure is no longer worth anything, too much and for a long time they angrily branded anyone they hit, and then they endured the most astronomical theft, arrogance and deception for too long so that our attitude was worth something ...
Well, probably all these people think so) Kulak thinking as it is)

[WayKheThuo]

All true.
But times change and other people come. These people do not shine with talents and do not have any very high moral principles. But they want to live on their land and want the state to work for them. And these people will definitely ask all these perestroika leaders: "Where is the money, Zin? How is it that you ruined everything and now you are resting" there "? It's not good, it's a mess." And suddenly the new mansion of a retired government official bursts into flames, and suddenly his child will not be able to open a business here, and suddenly it turns out that the accounts have already been arrested and, in general, they have dug up and dragged such material to the European court that "ah". And it will hang like a domocles sword over all generations of traitors, until they pay very specific bills that came in ordinary, completely unremarkable envelopes.
Time, it is like this - it distributes earrings to all sisters.

[kalibr]

It seems that everyone should know the saying that revolutions are conceived by geniuses, carried out by fanatics, and crooks use their fruits. That says it all!

[vladimirvn]

I joined the CPSU sincerely and out of convictions, albeit naive ones. The film "Communist" personified the communists for me. I was then amazed when faced with the backstage of the life of the party nomenclature, there was such an opportunity. Hypocrisy, debauchery, pursuit of benefits, empty slogans, duplicity. The party card is still at home. It is painful and insulting for the top of the CPSU, which allowed the collapse of the country. Although if at that time they had told me to go out to the barricades to defend the USSR with my bare hands, I would have come out. Now I expect only a catch and deception from the authorities.

[cniza]

And people like you were in the vast majority ...

[Operator]

They correctly did that in 1991 they slammed down the Jewish project of the destruction of Russia by dissolving it in the amoeba-shaped confederation of CeSeSeR.

Communist ideology is the tenth case. The main thing is that the Russians (80% of the population of the Russian Federation) dropped ballast in the form of blood-sucking subsidized republics of Ukraine, the Baltic states, Transcaucasia, Central Asia and Kazakhstan. Now rogue marginians, Litvinians, Romanians and others can enter the Russian Federation only on the rights of the subjects of the federation.

[ccsr]

Quote: Operator

They correctly did that in 1991 they slammed down the Jewish project of the destruction of Russia by dissolving it in the amoeba-shaped confederation of CeSeSeR.

But doesn’t it bother that the Russian Empire occupied the territory even more than the USSR? Was it also a project of Jews, Germans or all the same tsarist power? The USSR was a completely successful project, it was simply that our leaders at that time were too primitive to rule such a country, and because of this our economic troubles began, and this ultimately led to a riot in the country's population.

[Operator]

Well, you compared - God's gift (unitary Russian empire) with scrambled eggs (Soviet confederation, forcibly created from the RSFSR after winning the Civil War).

[IS-80_RVGK2]

What the hell are you talking about. Everyone who did not create a federation or a confederation fell apart safely. And with regards to the distortions in the economy, this is a separate long conversation. And the device of the USSR here certainly played a role in the plan, they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. But other factors played even more.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

I really want to understand such metamorphoses

It’s easy to understand. It is much more difficult to remember that the stupid belonging of, say, a presidential candidate to a particular party does not at all determine the vector of his future policy in the event he comes to power.

[cniza]

Because the parties were one-day ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: cniza

the parties were one-day

No, well, the CPSU, of course, against the background of some Republican Party of the United States, is not a long-lived person, but I still would not call it a one-day

[cniza]

I meant modern Russia, not the Communist Party ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: cniza

I meant modern Russia

So the article is mainly about "immigrants" from the CPSU.

[cniza]

And where are these "natives" now? just in one-day parties and "toil".

[Ross xnumx]

It is no secret that this was not hidden anywhere, including by the president himself, that he was a member of the CPSU, a KGB colonel.

He was a lieutenant colonel !!!

[Free wind]

Gorbachev was deceived, oh unreasonable child, And where did you climb, labeled. Where? When the West made promises not to expand NATO eastward, there were no promises. Germany was even ready to leave the alliance for the sake of reunification. But there was not only a demand, but even such a proposal. So "astalavista women". When people first saw Gorbachev. many could not understand who it was, with his mark. In the photographs, it is clean.

[cniza]

He himself wanted to be deceived, and he was super good.

[Normal ok]

In fact, no one was forced to join the party under torture, this was a voluntary affair, the choice was deliberate.
Here the author is disingenuous. In the USSR, it was possible to make any serious career only as a member of the party. If you are not a party member, you will not become a chief engineer or director of an enterprise, or a diplomat, or a serious journalist, or a regiment commander. About "organs" generally keep quiet. Therefore, they entered "voluntarily-compulsorily".

[cniza]

Quote: Normal ok

Therefore, they entered "voluntarily-compulsorily".

Then it became a majority and dissolved all ideological communists.

[1536]

The party structure was approved at the II Congress of the RSDLP back in 1903. The role and character of the party was also confirmed at this congress. The Party Program contained the fundamental thesis about the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "hegemony" of the proletariat in the revolutionary struggle for (attention) the "liberation of Russia", emphasized the proletarian character of the party and its leading role in the liberation movement in Russia. And although a minority voted for the party charter and its program on these points, V.I. Lenin, through, as they would now call it, hardware games, was ultimately able to push through precisely these formulations, having achieved a "majority" in the voting. So the RSDLP was divided into "Mensheviks" and "Bolsheviks".
Why this historical excursion? And then, that by 1970-1980 there was no longer a question of either the "dictatorship of the proletariat" or the "liberation of Russia." According to the newspaper Pravda, this has already happened. And then the question arises: "Whose ranks did we join, for example, in the mid-1980s?" The answer is simple: in the CPSU, which historically defeated and destroyed the bourgeoisie, nobility and landowners in 1920, built a powerful industry and agriculture in the 1930s, won the Great Patriotic War in the 1940s, flew into space in the 1950s and 1960s , by the end of the 1970s and beginning of the 1980s, it began to build a normal, human life, to develop what was achieved. Very few then knew that there were traitors, thieves, bribery and outright misanthropists at the top of the CPSU. No one thought that the theory of party building is catastrophically lagging behind practice because of this. They began to think about all this when a handful of people began to hide food, close tobacco factories, bury cars in the backyards of factories, hide vodka under counters and cut down vineyards, destroy tomatoes with tractors, and register on a national scale. And it is not about "true communists" that we should speak today, but about those who hid black deeds and theft behind beautiful words. At a time when it was necessary to transfer the country to new technological structures, drunkenness, frank doo-ki came to the leadership, and in the end the "gang of thieves" came to the fore. How could a whole nation be deceived? Just make him think not about the future, but about how to feed, dress and shoe himself, and most importantly, his children today, make him hate himself, his history, his country, and the trick is in the bag. And if it has disappeared somewhere, then it is known for sure that it has arrived somewhere, if something falls apart, that somewhere something is strengthened or is connected more firmly. And so it happened. "Fear the Danes who bring gifts!" - said the Trojan priest Laocoon at the sight of a wooden horse presented to the Trojans. By the way, the idea of ​​building this horse is attributed to Odysseus, one of our most "beloved" characters in ancient history. So the winners write history. And if the RSDLP (b), and then the VKP (b) were the party of the winners, then, alas, the CPSU could not hold the banner of Communism and rested in a bose. But the communists have not gone anywhere, because humanity, in one way or another, must follow the path of progress, who would not hinder this movement forward.

[Knell wardenheart]

The system itself is to blame for the fact that it began to recruit crooks into the party "according to different orders", in the fact that the party membership has become a certain condition for career growth. As a result, different people got through, for whom in life all this was rubbish and verbiage, from which they got rid of at the first opportunity.
Because you don’t have to chase quantity.

[cniza]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Because you don’t have to chase quantity.

It always failed many ...

[Ross xnumx]

Hypothetical gold and currency funds of the CPSU, supposedly disappeared after the collapse of the Soviet Union, have not yet been found.

The fate of the party’s physical gold could be voiced by the CPSU’s business managers, but this is the misfortune:

The death of Kruchina, who had been working as the manager of the affairs of the Central Committee of the CPSU for the last eight years of his life, occurred on August 26, 1991 and was also called suicide almost immediately.
Messages followed by: N.E. Kruchina jumped out of the balcony of his apartment on the fifth floor in house number 13 on Plotnikov Lane. The body was discovered early in the morning near the entrance. And supposedly "the first inspection of the body and office of the deceased showed that he decided to voluntarily die."

The most mysterious that he was not the only one who decided to make ends meet:

It is known that on the 22nd, a member of the State Emergency Committee, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR Boris Karlovich Pugo, about whom I recently spoke in Pravda, died with his wife (see No. 91). Two days later, on August 24, Marshal and Hero of the Soviet Union Sergey Fedorovich Akhromeev, who supported the State Emergency Committee, died extremely strangely. The official version is suicide.

Let’s say right away, it will be about a completely different “gold”, which also mysteriously disappeared ... It's about people, members of one of the largest party in the world.

Speaking about the other gold of the party - 19 ordinary members of the CPSU, it should be noted that after the LIB died, it was in the leadership of the CPSU and the KGB that plans matured to improve the future life of the Soviet people, as a result of which the gag reflex to the very existence of the Politburo, regional committees and city committees overflowed the flaming bowl love for everything party.
This was the call of the Communists in the war: “Communists - go ahead!”, And under LIB the slogan sounded: “Communists - first!”
You need to remain human regardless of party affiliation. This was possible in the conditions of instilling the Moral Code of the builder of communism. In the conditions of life, organized according to the thieves' concepts, it is very difficult to achieve the appearance in the power of people of honor and openness, philanthropy and integrity.
And referring to their early membership in the CPSU does not make sense. They were cynics and liars from birth. And they quickly assembled a team of interests, putting at the forefront the eternal passion (addiction, inclination) of a person for profit.
Fortunately, there are people in the country who do not suffer from this ailment. But to advertise their names today, in conditions of private TV and other media, is impossible.

[Sergey49]

Not the gold of the party, but the gold of the Russian people robbed by the Communists.

[NordUral]

There is such a thing - a renegade. Literally a renegade (lat. Renegatus, from renego - “I renounce”) - a person who has transferred from one religion to another; figuratively, this is a person who has betrayed his convictions and transferred to the camp of opponents, becoming an apostate, a traitor.

No, these are not renegades. They never were communists. Party membership for them is a pass to the feeder.

[Maks1995]

Exactly. The country was degraded with such communists. And the last 10 years it has been clearly seen everywhere. The race on the coffins, the shtetl accent and the illiterate speech of the leaders. Negative selection, which is ongoing now ...

And alas. Unanimity then let everyone down. There were no popular opponents of the collapse, even 2 popular contender for the resident then quickly ended in a plane crash.

[veritas]

Gold disappears regularly if you look at history, and history is always covered in darkness and you will not find the ends, well, they don’t want to look. As for the gold of the Communists, the young reformers and their curators must have enriched themselves on this. The ideological communists were gradually eliminated, and werewolves remained as a result, the collapse of everything and total theft.

[Vadim237]

The USSR spent most of its gold reserves on the purchase of grain equipment for consumer goods from other countries and other things starting in the late 50s.

[cniza]

This is so, and 100% employment and parasitism clause produced products that were not in demand, of low quality with a large number of rejects, and all this lay in "warehouses".

[cniza]

Quote: veritas

Gold disappears regularly if you look at the story, and the story is always covered in darkness and you will not find the ends

Those who disappeared, the same were responsible for his search - the circle closed.

[Vadim237]

The world has always lived on the principle of consumption and money has been a decisive factor - and the poor will be under any system, even under socialism, even under capitalism, since there will not be enough funds and resources for a decent life for each and every individual.

[cniza]

Curious opinion. If there are not enough resources, then they must be created, if they cannot be created, the population would not increase, but we see the opposite picture, the population is only growing. So the problem of poverty is different. Vadim, I would like to hear your opinion.

[Vadim237]

The population is growing - it is clearly visible in poor countries and you will not make resources from the air.

[cniza]

Moreover, modern Russia is distinguished by one of the highest taxes in the world “on the poor”, while at the same time the most sparing taxation is “for the rich”

But as the author sees it in numbers, rates, it would be interesting to hear the opinion.

[Felix Chuykov]

To the people

"United Russia" - the party of fascists
In the country of gentlemen, coffins, interchanges and the subway.
Wherever you turn, the bailiff manages.
Wherever you look, good is stolen.

"United Russia" - a party of bandits
In the country of teachers, bears and hk.
Wherever you turn - satellite fences.
Everywhere you look, a family river.

"United Russia" - the party of freaks
In the country of buried truths and digged deeds.
Everywhere you turn - portraits of steamboats.
No matter where you look, patience is the limit.

Victory is not for war! Freedom is not for gloomy ones!
The nations need peace! And the world needs light!
Nothing will come of the frail and dull,
When the Aurora Commemorative Council Rises ...

Felix Chuykov

September 15 - 16, 2016

[cniza]

No, enough revolutions from us, let's go the other way ...

[parusnik]

The same Gorbachev was deceived, outplayed by political cheaters of the West, who have no equal in hypocrisy, hypocrisy and duplicity. What was worth, for example, their word not to expand NATO east?

.... Yeah, naive I, trusting me, you can easily fool me ... What prevented an agreement ... Gorbachev, he was glad to be deceived ...

[cniza]

He sold the USSR, by the way, along with Shevarnadze.

[Dart2027]

The idea of ​​a state based on justice, equality, etc., has existed since time immemorial. Here are just the consequences of all attempts to build it can be expressed in one phrase:
"We wanted the best - it turned out as always."

[Doliva63]

"And it is also very interesting to know how many true communists are left."
We, it seems, are not very many, but we still have

[Kestrel]

The phrase is popular in my circles - Former officers and former blue men do not exist ... It is becoming more and more difficult with the Communists ... I remember voting for the Communist Party several times, in the hope that they will defend social guarantees for the population ... After The Communist Party voted FOR the anti-people’s Yeltsin laws, having a majority in the State Duma, completely disappointed in the Communist Party, and after the collapse of the USSR and pogroms in the post-Soviet countries of the Russian population on a national basis, I consider all the talk about internationalism to be completely crazy !!!

[candidate]

Socialism - from the word sociality, i.e. society and the public. All the benefits received as a result of economic activity, according to the plan, go primarily to the society itself, and not to a narrow group of individuals (for example, investors, business owners or a corporation). Well, communism comes from the word commune, a community of people living together who have common interests, resources, property, etc., based on equality. From here - utilities.. Lack of antagonistic relationships.
Capitalism - from the concept of capital, i.e. money, property, means of production. Preserving and increasing capital is the main task, and spending on everything else, including social spending, is a leftover principle. In the case of "wild capitalism," the power is in the hands of the merchants. That is, they squeeze all the juices out of the workers to the maximum, pay as little as possible to the budget and try to minimize social expenses. Only oligarchs and corrupt officials live well in this situation.
The presence of an antagonistic relationship.

[Thomas the Unbelieving]

The author has lost sight of the most important thing. Almost everyone who remained in politics is corrupt. The CEC website publishes financial reports of all parties. I will not give everything, and I’m too lazy to climb into the reports for the last year. I give the official data for 2018 on the sources of funds of parliamentary parties.
EP: membership fees-225 million; federal budget-4bn.336mln; donations - 2 billion. 550 million rubles.
Communist Party: membership fees-957 million rubles federal budget-2bn. 383 million: donations-148,7 million
LDPR; membership fees-88 thousand! The federal budget is 1 billion 727 million; donations are 4,9 million rubles.
If we take into account the frantic salaries of deputies and the fact that half goes on the lists (donations?), Then the question of “political” parties in our country should be removed from the agenda in order to deal with their problems of sharing and redistributing taxpayer money.
But the ideas of communism will triumph sooner or later, or humanity will disappear into tartars.

[ruivit1988]

For every action there is an equal reaction force. We had socialism, capitalism devoured it in 91, and so on. Right now, capitalism has unfolded in our homeland, so to speak. Now it gives rise to communists, or the understanding that under the rule of capital. A simple hard worker can only fight for life and he is not needed by anyone but himself. Further, most likely, for all hard workers it will become obvious and understandable that the hard worker will do nothing. Well, if they become the whole plant, then capital will reckon with the opinion of the workers. That is, a concept will appear in people that they all have a common interest and this interest cannot be defended by one person or the collective of one enterprise. Here you can only defend by all means with all the teams of enterprises. All this will not be where we can’t get away with this hutim we, or someone from the ruling class there wakes up something. Everything will come to the point that the working class will unite and will only defend its interests in such a way and not like at all. Then, unexpectedly for all, socialism will come.