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European Directive on Half Gas Pipelines: Nord Stream 2 Situation

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In Europe, a situation is being discussed in which the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline operator is going to appeal the decision to apply the so-called EU energy directive to the pipeline. This directive imposes restrictions on the use of gas pipelines transporting gas from countries outside the EU - no more than 50% of the pipe volume when filled by a "non-European" supplier. We remind you that in Brussels such a directive is associated with the protection of the principles of competition and transparency.


If no more than 2% (by volume) of Russian gas is pumped through Nord Stream-50 (taking into account the completion of construction), then for Gazprom the project will remain unprofitable for a long time. For well-known reasons, they count on it, those who bring pipelines coming from Russia under all kinds of restrictive measures.

But in this case, it will be difficult for those Western investors who invested in the project. Indeed, for the payback of the project, it is necessary to fill the gas pipeline in full. And where in this case to take gas?

No one has the capacity to fill this gas transportation artery with the “remaining” 50% of the volume during transportation. The same Norway, which is one of the suppliers of gas to the market of the northern EU countries, is financially uninteresting to use gas transmission capacities, to which gas still needs to be delivered in some way.

In such a situation, Europe can punish itself. After all, those “non-Russian” gas pipelines that are mentioned in Brussels - for example, to the South European countries (from the fields of Qatar, Israel, other countries), as a result, fall under the notorious European energy directive “on half gas pipelines”. And if they don’t get there, then the same Nord Stream-2 will easily succeed in appealing against the decision on the availability of the pipe by only 50% for Russian gas. The “punishment” for Europe will also be that investments in energy projects that promise substantial profits for the Euroeconomy itself will merge into a hole.

This is similar to the construction of a highway, on which it is forbidden to drive those cars of the same brand that go beyond 50% of total auto traffic. That is, a direct blow to the demand for goods, which means - to the interests of the European buyers of energy resources themselves, European citizens.

In other words, the directive on “competitive” pipe filling is least beneficial to European citizens.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 20 May 2020 09: 45 New
    17
    1. Gas must be sold.
    2. Gas must be sold for currency (dollars and euros) because it is also necessary to buy by ourselves.
    3. The EU is an ideological opponent, they have some kind of human rights, we have a rigid vertical.
    4. The EU imposed sanctions and without the permission of the United States will not cancel.
    There is only one way out. Develop your economy, for example with cheap gas.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 May 2020 09: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Civil
      1. Gas must be sold.
      2. Gas must be sold for currency (dollars and euros) because it is also necessary to buy by ourselves.
      3. The EU is an ideological opponent, they have some kind of human rights, we have a rigid vertical.
      4. The EU imposed sanctions and without the permission of the United States will not cancel.
      There is only one way out. Develop your economy, for example with cheap gas.

      That's right, we really need to develop the economy, and those who are sitting in the Duma and the Kremlin do not really need it, they already have everything in chocolate and have an alternate airport.
      And on the topic: overpower? For me it’s a defeat, they gave us money to spend, and then they cut off everything, brought it under a directive, and this is not the end
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 20 May 2020 10: 04 New
        +4
        That's right, we really need to develop the economy, and those who are sitting in the Duma and the Kremlin do not really need it, they already have everything in chocolate and have an alternate airport.

        They are still happy holders of Gazprom shares and receive from this devident. The more they sell, the more they will put in their pocket.
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 20 May 2020 10: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        And on the topic: overpower? For me it’s a defeat, they gave us money to spend, and then they cut off everything, brought it under a directive, and this is not the end

        Remember the parable about the gun hanging on the stage during the performance? So: it is sure to shoot at the end of the act. The same is true with the SP-2 half-empty pipe: it will be completely filled and the gas will be Russian - there’s just nowhere else to come from! yes
      3. major147
        major147 20 May 2020 11: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: Vol4ara
        For me it’s a defeat, they gave us money to spend,

        Our money there is less than half. The rest are theirs.
        1. private person
          private person 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
          0
          Our money there is less than half. The rest are theirs.

          So in the article it is written that the pipe will not be profitable for Russia for a long time. And overseas investors will not miss their chance to get everything to the cent, they spat on Russia.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 20 May 2020 19: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: private person
            So in the article it is written that the pipe will not be profitable for Russia for a long time.

            For a long time it is 100 years since 50 years payback was initially assumed at 100% coverage. Is it too long to wait?
      4. Slon1978
        Slon1978 20 May 2020 11: 52 New
        +8
        Do not rush to draw conclusions. If through the court it is not possible to cancel the decision of the European Commission, Gazprom will be able to register a gas trader in Europe or conclude an agreement with a fully independent trader who will act as the “seller” of the other 50% of his gas to fill the pipe (if there is demand for the entire capacity of the joint venture -2, which is not yet). The trader accordingly works on margin, that is, paying Gazprom its gas price, he will add his own margin, say 3-5 USD / thousand m3. This will not dramatically affect the competitiveness of pipeline gas, it will still be cheaper than American or Arab LNG and Europeans will buy it. But in fact, they will pay their own stupidity out of pocket - to pay the trader’s margin. This is understood by many in Europe, until such a scenario is realized by Gazprom because (1) there is no demand for the entire volume of SP-2 and even SP-1 and (2) respectively, there is time to sue and try to solve the problem through court. This would be a cleaner and simpler solution, without the need to create an additional add-on (trader), engage in pricing and mutual settlements with it. It is clear that SP-2 is a gas pipeline for the distant future, there is no clear payback period because the market situation is changing rapidly and no one can guarantee either the volume of deliveries or the price. This uncertainty, of course, pours water into the mill of those who say that the SP-2 is unprofitable, useless, only cut money, etc., but it is not. Although he cut Gazprom’s money into the account, it’s Gazprom, most likely it could have done without it. But the pipeline must be completed in any way.
        1. alstr
          alstr 20 May 2020 12: 00 New
          +4
          I would also add that this is still a possible political maneuver to evade US sanctions. Those. until SP2 is built, what is the decree, what is not is a dead poultice. But from the USA you can get plush.
          Therefore, in order not to irritate the hegemon once again, they made such a decision. And they will build SP2 - the most "independent" court will render a verdict that SP2 can be fully used.
        2. major147
          major147 20 May 2020 20: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Slon1978
          This is understood by many in Europe, until such a scenario is realized by Gazprom because (1) there is no demand for the entire volume of SP-2 and even SP-1 and (2) respectively, there is time to sue and try to solve the problem through the court.


          The German authorities decided for 20 years to withdraw the Nord Stream gas pipeline from the EU Gas Directive, which introduces a number of restrictions for the project. This was announced on Wednesday by the operator of the Nord Stream Nord Stream AG.

          "On May 20, 2020, the Federal Grid Agency granted the Nord Stream gas pipeline an exception to the main provisions of the EU Gas Directive," the statement said.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 20 May 2020 20: 38 New
            0
            Quote: major147
            German authorities decide to withdraw the Nord Stream gas pipeline from the EU Gas Directive for 20 years

            Yes, official information has just passed.
            "This is a business approach."(C) yes
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 20 May 2020 17: 57 New
        -3
        not the end - this is half (from 2019) of the import into the Russian Federation of zhrachki and shir consumer from the EU.
        Here are the valiant Heroes of Russia if they decide on this:
        1 \ 2 gas in exchange for 1 \ 2 green peas and thousand tons measurement.
        sadness?
      6. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 20 May 2020 18: 18 New
        0
        Can take offense, send everyone away and close the tap to Europe, save gas for yourself and for good buyers? Other countries live without gas and thrive.
        1. T.Henks
          T.Henks 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
          0
          What kind of countries live without gas?
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 20 May 2020 19: 28 New
            0
            What kind of countries live without gas?

            There are no gas reserves, they do not produce and sell, they only buy.
    2. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 20 May 2020 10: 06 New
      -6
      This will never happen with this power.
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 20 May 2020 10: 18 New
      0
      Point two is controversial. You can sell for rubles, which is what the economists and politicians of Russia are trying to do today.
      .
      Given the fact that no other countries print the ruble, the ruble will be forced to buy.
      .
      Point 4 is also controversial.
    4. Calm
      Calm 20 May 2020 11: 31 New
      +3
      It’s not a big shame, it’s more expensive to take gas from our state than they drive for export to other countries. Again, they will try to get out at the expense of our own people and raise the population’s tariff of 100%
      1. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 20 May 2020 18: 12 New
        0
        However, "a little" is written together. And for Americans, for example, it’s a little disappointing to die from a covid without medical assistance if there is no insurance or it is small, unlike the “dear Russians”. A slightly different offense is to overpay a little for gas or die from covid. Where do insurance companies get money from? From there? These are, after all, not non-agency NPOs. And this is true not only with respect to the cove. A bunch of sores is treated absolutely free of charge; in the clinics, if there are benefits, they give out free medicines. True, I must admit, the assortment is somewhat inadequate and sometimes medications are not of the first grade - in a pharmacy for money is better. But anyway. No, something no one notices that the Maybachs are stuck in traffic, and pensioners in a trolleybus are overtaking by a dedicated line (this is not about now, this is before a pandemic), everyone only criticizes the dough cut.
        In Russia, there are much more signs of a social state than in the United States, and indeed a social state can only be a single state corporation, certain sectors of which can be unprofitable - the currency is still needed, although this is a Fed product. And the pipe itself is 60% in its own right, 40% German, and the currency went for laying. Well, now Chersky will slowly finish, presumably, for rubles. Pulling gas to each village in the middle of the taiga is not only extremely economically unprofitable, but also impractical due to nature management. The local population, of course, chooses dead wood for firewood, and it does not clog the taiga. Moscow, by the way, belongs to the taiga zone. A characteristic feature is the presence of ticks in the suburbs. Such a stupid country, understand. "Around the taiga, one taiga, and we are in the middle." And the Germans, presumably, will not back down. So, a little hitch. Nobody is repairing the Ukrainian GTS and is not going to.
    5. iouris
      iouris 20 May 2020 13: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      There is only one way out. Develop your economy

      This is not possible under the conditions on which the Central Bank and the government work. Financing "the development of their economy" is impossible. In addition, a state with a population of at least 250 ... 300 million people is needed. (can this "question" be solved?)
    6. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 20 May 2020 17: 44 New
      +4
      The EU imposed sanctions and without the permission of the United States will not cancel.


      I propose a counter bill under the directive of the European Union:

      To oblige "them" to allocate in one lane (we are modest, we do not need 50%) for the movement of our freight trucks on all EU freeways. And then the competition suffers.

      To oblige all carriers of the European Union to reserve 50% of the carrying capacity of their wagons for the transport of "our" goods. And then the competition suffers.

      In case of violation of the truck and cargo, confiscate to state revenue. He was sent to jail for violating "our" counter directive.

      This is so that competition does not suffer.
    7. krillon
      krillon 20 May 2020 22: 19 New
      0
      The news has passed. The German regulator exempted Nord Stream from the rules of the EU gas directive for 20 years.
    8. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 21 May 2020 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Civil
      1. Gas must be sold.

      Judging by any restrictions, we do not supply this gas to Europe, but pump it out.
    9. lego2
      lego2 21 May 2020 14: 25 New
      0
      Why is it impossible to organize on our part of the pipe a couple of companies selling gas, according to the scheme of the Ukrainian reverse, that is, virtual, but on paper quite realistic? I am ready to be the zitz ​​chairman in one of them, or both at once, I will portray competition. There are wise men who will explain why this is not possible? Or are these not our methods?
  2. Hto tama
    Hto tama 20 May 2020 09: 46 New
    +6
    Well, tribals and Poland most of all stood for the adoption of this directive, and there, as you know, they do not live their own minds, but act on the principle: if only Russia should stockpilefool
    1. knn54
      knn54 20 May 2020 10: 30 New
      +3
      - The same Norway, which is one of the suppliers of gas to the market of the northern EU countries, is financially uninteresting to use gas transmission capacities, to which gas still needs to be delivered in some way.
      Norway is not a member of the EU, and it does not make sense to “stretch” something, even if it is to the advantage. Because it also falls under the "directive".
      "Soros nestlings" knowingly eat their bread.
  3. AVTOHTON
    AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 09: 47 New
    -7
    Why are the USA so afraid of Nord Stream-2? We cross the pipes across the outskirts and who will feed them? This is firstly, secondly Germany and the USA and Israel are afraid of losing out of influence, because it was a good cash cow, which, if it was possible to whip and shout to the foot with a "Holocaust" .... Let the Germans think that it’s more precious to you ?
    Are you a hardworking and talented nation, but not to the same extent as to be a colony?
    1. lucul
      lucul 20 May 2020 09: 52 New
      17
      Why are the USA so afraid of Nord Stream-2?

      Have you forgotten the theft scandals? They still steal from the pipe, and so they live. And then gas will bypass, and you will not steal it anymore - the USA will have to finance them themselves.
      Well, you remember the concept - at the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia ..
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 10: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: AVTOHTON
      Why are the USA so afraid of Nord Stream-2?

      They are afraid that Europe will become energy dependent on Russia.
      1. New
        New Year day 20 May 2020 11: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        They are afraid that Europe will become energy dependent on Russia.

        this is firstly and.
        Quote: AVTOHTON
        We cross the pipes across the outskirts and who will feed them?

        this is secondly.
        The idea of ​​America is simply to impose its liquefied gas on the EU, and to use all Russian gas through Ukraine.
        By the way, Qatar, due to the oversupply of liquefied gas, faced a problem: either to leave the markets, or reduce the price and sell gas even below cost in order to maintain its markets until better times
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 May 2020 21: 21 New
          +2
          So Qatar is now selling liquefied gas at a low price.
          Turkey, its ally, for example.
          And Russian gas pipelines to Turkey are 10% full.
          Three leaders in LNG - Australia, Qatar, USA - will crush all gas pipelines soon
          in the world, not just Russian.
          1. krillon
            krillon 20 May 2020 22: 24 New
            -1
            Do not panic. LNG will not be cheaper than pipeline. Tear to crush.
      2. AVTOHTON
        AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 15: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: AVTOHTON
        Why are the USA so afraid of Nord Stream-2?

        They are afraid that Europe will become energy dependent on Russia.

        And then into the political! The union of Russia and Germany, a lot of things can redistribute in world politics ..!
        Germany, this is not China and others ..
        PSHow many times Germany and Russia pitted in a bloody battle .. It’s not time for us to make friends with the Germans and understand who is pushing our foreheads together and why? hi
        Quote: lucul
        Well, you remember the concept - at the expense of Russia and on the wreckage of Russia

        We all remember ...
  4. Break through
    Break through 20 May 2020 09: 47 New
    +2
    Everything will be fine with SP 2. Bent to 100% pipe occupancy. Or come up with a scheme to get around. Germans in the first place will need a lot of gas soon.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 May 2020 10: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: Break through
      Everything will be fine with SP 2. Bent to 100% pipe occupancy. Or come up with a scheme to get around.
      Give me money, I will organize a company and will fill the second 50%, because the gas I bought from Gazprom is already my own gas. wink Comrades, nobody has yet canceled private property. tongue
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 20 May 2020 11: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Break through
      Bent to 100% occupancy of the pipe.

      Be sure to bend - we have enough examples in history: the Germans will push through an increase in occupancy. The main thing is that the infrastructure be.
      Quote: Break through
      come up with a scheme to get around.
      Germans again: a penny branch stretches to supply gas to any settlement and the pipe ceases to be a trunk.
      It is important that the infrastructure is there, and the squealing of all Poles and Baltic states the Germans shut up if necessary
    3. major147
      major147 20 May 2020 11: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Break through
      Everything will be fine with SP 2. Bent to 100% pipe occupancy. Or come up with a scheme to get around.

      The mass of circuits.
  5. Junior Private
    Junior Private 20 May 2020 09: 47 New
    +4
    It’s most profitable for Germans to leave the EU, otherwise they will have to feed Europe under American commands for a long time.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 May 2020 10: 09 New
      +2
      After the formation of the EU, Germany took over all the European markets and earned several trillion euros. That is, it exploited Europe to its advantage. But this indirectly led to the deplorable state of the budgets of Italy, Spain, Greece and even France.
      However, in order to continue to control European markets, Germany is extremely important to maintain the EU. Therefore, Merkel agreed to "coronabond" for five hundred billion euros.
  6. Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 20 May 2020 09: 54 New
    +5
    Situation from the area of ​​delirium of the mare on a bright moonless night:

    We built it, but we can’t use it the way we want. Competition? So no one bothers to build those who need at least one number of pipelines on the bottom of the sea. Let them build and rock. No one else has access to the SP-2 entrance, only ours. Where does this competitive gas come from?

    It's time to introduce a response. Put the Skoda? Well done. While from Turkey at your own expense still do not put a car at cost, you will be fined. And then competition suffers. Do you say TV sets? We take it. Two for the price of one. "Samvsungi" add at your own expense, competition suffers .. And more!
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    1. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 20 May 2020 10: 04 New
      +4
      More agents of the State Department, the fifth column and liberals (by which they call everyone who does not like this power) ...
      1. New
        New Year day 20 May 2020 11: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Comrade Michael
        and liberals (by which they call everyone who does not like this power) ...

        muddied! How to understand: those who scold the liberals in power are also liberals? Why then do they swear? laughing
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    2. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 10: 25 New
      -3
      Gazprom got a fine because of the political leadership, which used the state corporation as an effective weapon against the maydanut Bandera. There is no guilt of the managers, and on the contrary, even the narghad received for the service to their homeland.
      “Nord Stream-2” will be completed, do not even hesitate.
      “Power of Siberia” is an extremely successful project, now the construction of the second branch is being prepared.
      I think that’s why they get fantastic salaries.
      highly professional work should be well paid.
      1. New
        New Year day 20 May 2020 11: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
        “Nord Stream-2” will be completed, do not even hesitate.

        No doubt. But why at the expense of the Russian budget? Why is China not investing in construction? Why in the middle of March, when there was an oil crisis, China refused to buy our oil for its own reasons? It can happen with gas, don’t you think?
        1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
          BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 12: 55 New
          +1
          But why at the expense of the Russian budget?
          Because Russia is interested in this.
          Why is China not investing in construction?
          Probably does not want to burden himself, which is quite logical. This merchant should attract the buyer, and not vice versa.
          Why in the middle of March, when there was an oil crisis, China refused to buy our oil for its own reasons?
          And why do you ask a question that you yourself answer?
          It can happen with gas, don’t you think?
          It will certainly happen, only the crisis will not last forever, international industry with trade will rise, the demand for fuel will return, there will be a holiday on our street.
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  8. BREAKTHROUGH READY
    BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 10: 18 New
    0
    This directive imposes restrictions on the use of gas pipelines transporting gas from countries outside the EU - no more than 50% of the pipe volume when filled by a "non-European" supplier.
    This directive imposes restrictions on all gas pipelines, without exception, for European suppliers this law has been in force for several years.
    If no more than 2% of Russian gas will be pumped through Nord Stream-50, then for Gazprom the project will remain unprofitable for a long time
    Nobody forbids other suppliers from Russia to fill the pipe, the same novatek.
    .....
    So-so article, the author tried to throw his Russophobia on the fan, but it turned out so-so.
    Personally, I have no doubt that the SP-2 will be completed and Russia will receive the maximum profit.
    1. New
      New Year day 20 May 2020 11: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
      and Russia will get the maximum profit.

      when will self-sufficiency begin? Until then, gas is being sold at a loss.
      1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
        BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 12: 56 New
        +1
        Pipes have a long-term payback, I think, tens of years will pass.
        Do not forget the benefits of consumer diversification and the political situation in Ukraine.
  9. dgonni
    dgonni 20 May 2020 10: 29 New
    +1
    For the author! the EastMed gas pipeline already at the time of the start of exploration and project work does not fall under the EU directive. What the energy commission clearly confirmed everything. So all the groans of Lavrov and Gazprom with Miller about the losses of the Europeans are not worth a damn.
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 May 2020 10: 32 New
    0
    The EU cares about the interests of the United States, not the interests of Europe ...
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 20 May 2020 10: 41 New
    +2
    They will try to circumvent the restrictions .... and be sure to circumvent them! Not the first time.
  12. Junior Private
    Junior Private 20 May 2020 10: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    After the formation of the EU, Germany took over all the European markets and earned several trillion euros. That is, it exploited Europe to its advantage.
    .
    However, in order to continue to control European markets, Germany is extremely important to maintain the EU.

    Germany will by any means be the workhorse of Europe and, accordingly, the first player on the market, regardless of whether it is part of the EU or not. The point is completely different. The Germans are frankly dictated how to continue to live and from whom to buy gas. The EU project itself, was conceived with the aim of further promoting globalist slavery. The transatlantic partnership has safely stalled, which Europeans should rejoice at.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 May 2020 11: 10 New
      +4
      Gentlemen change the rules as soon as they stop making them.
      Due to the warm winter, the pandemic and the beginning of the economic crisis, the demand for gas decreased, which explains the dances around the Third Energy Package and SP-2.
      As soon as the situation changes and the demand for gas increases, a law will immediately be passed allowing Gazprom to use at least one hundred percent of SP-2.
  13. Prole
    Prole 20 May 2020 16: 10 New
    -1
    they teach children patriotism from young nails while they sell gas to a potential adversary for their own currency. when the Chinese populate their Far East. electricity there is five rubles, the cities of eastern Siberia are fueled by coal and do not plan to switch to gas because of the high cost. and they themselves die from oncologies associated with the use of coal. Gazprom spends more money on football teams in Europe than on gasification of the country. yes in legs you need to bow to the euro parliamentarians for this. and say thanks. But is there any need to somehow contribute to the economic development of NATO countries. NATO is a real threat. where are our leaders leading us again? they are preparing for slaughter. like cheese in a mousetrap. with oil have already played giveaways with China. Rosneft will soon go to China for debts. with gas it will be the same.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 20 May 2020 17: 04 New
    0
    European economic nomes are too politicized, irrelevant to business, and therefore it turns out like in Krylov’s fable.
  15. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 20 May 2020 17: 05 New
    -1
    Yes, this is all nonsense, Russia built a pipe from the Russian territory, so it’s Russian, okay, I agree, we will share, 50% of the Russian gas into the pipe is American, Norwegian, let the pipe be pulled from Russia to Russia and fill it with gas, all honestly! hi
  16. Gunner
    Gunner 20 May 2020 17: 44 New
    0
    Adopt a law on the import into Russia of manufactured goods from the EU if they are 50% composed of Russian components (if they are not there are EU problems) or raw materials, if the goods do not meet these requirements, ban import.
  17. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 20 May 2020 22: 24 New
    0
    And I’m even glad that the Americans blocked Sp-2, although they have a conscience. And then They will take everything out and sell it. There’s no way for people to build production so that they live normally. Duma only about yourself
  18. lego2
    lego2 21 May 2020 14: 23 New
    0
    Why is it impossible to organize on our part of the pipe a couple of companies selling gas, according to the scheme of the Ukrainian reverse, that is, virtual, but on paper quite realistic? I am ready to be the zitz ​​chairman in one of them, or both at once, I will portray competition. There are wise men who will explain why this is not possible? Or are these not our methods?