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The Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline will unite the gas transportation infrastructure of Russia

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Information was confirmed that Gazprom began designing the second branch of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. Often this pipeline is called the "Power of Siberia-2." It is noted that a feature of this gas transmission line is the possibility of passing it through Mongolian territory.


According to preliminary data, the creation of the “Power of Siberia-2” may stretch for 5-6 years.

Alexey Miller notes that Gazprom has moved to a new stage in analyzing the possibilities of laying a pipeline to China through the territory of Mongolia.

It is noted that the design phase preceding the main investment will be completed before the end of this year.

The maximum planned capacity of the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline should be 50 billion cubic meters of gas annually. The export capacity of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline is 38 billion cubic meters of gas per year. In parallel, Gazprom is going to solve the problem of integrating the gas transportation infrastructure of Russian regions and districts. We are talking about connecting the western (including European export-oriented) gas transportation infrastructure from the eastern to the territory of the Russian Federation. At the same time, the company will solve an important task for the country in gasification of the regions of Eastern Siberia.



What fields does Gazprom plan to transport gas through the Power of Siberia-2. We are talking about, among other things, the Yamal deposits.

The emergence of an additional pipeline to East Asia may increase competition with companies that are sending their liquefied natural gas to the market in this macro-region. In addition, the unification of the gas transportation infrastructure in Russia itself will make it possible to solve large-scale tasks on domestic gasification, the need for which was previously not always paid attention to.
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 19 May 2020 06: 25 New
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    GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 06: 42 New
      17
      Well, you are not Chinese, not Turks and not Germans! .... Just hold on!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 19 May 2020 06: 48 New
        +2
        it seems like they just don't know what to do with this "power of siberia" ....
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 19 May 2020 07: 05 New
          +2
          How is this not known? Loot swing!
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 19 May 2020 07: 50 New
          +2
          They know that inside the pipe (f1500mm) on the buggy and behind them on drag trailers, you can quickly and secretly transfer troops (in gas masks) - the dependence on Putin in the world is growing and not only for gas
          1. Comrade Michael
            Comrade Michael 19 May 2020 08: 44 New
            +1
            https://inosmi.ru/inoblog/20200519/247447442.html --- мнение китайцев
      2. Civil
        Civil 19 May 2020 07: 18 New
        +5
        Gas father will help us, we will extend the Power of Siberia-5 to India and Sri Lanka.
        1. nod739
          nod739 19 May 2020 13: 30 New
          -1
          What little things, you give to Australia!
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 May 2020 07: 13 New
      0
      Dmitry Potapov hi -to the holy chaste laughing You want to climb into Corman lol ! Learn Chinese, or leave an application in garabar, that is, Chinese, on the gazprom website, then the pipe will reach you laughing .
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 07: 21 New
      +8
      But isn't local government supposed to deal with issues of local gasification?
      1. major147
        major147 19 May 2020 10: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        But isn't local government supposed to deal with issues of local gasification?

        I and several other people took off and built a pipe to myself. Others who later wanted to connect to our pipe paid. So the pipe paid off several times.
    4. maiman61
      maiman61 19 May 2020 08: 14 New
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      I live in Siberia and there is no gas. Perhaps the Moscow region is different from Siberia? Can Siberia and the Far East be gasified in the first place? People are leaving these regions, because we don’t want to lose them.
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 19 May 2020 08: 46 New
        +6
        In Ryazan, we had a gas pipeline passing by the village. The Soviet government threw a branch into our village, but died not finished. Now the gas is 3 meters from my fence. The price of this project is about 120 thousand rubles and 2 years of running around ...
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 19 May 2020 11: 32 New
          +2
          You are there .... more accurately with conversations about 3 meters from gas ....... and then schA fighters for violation of snipes will read everything ..... it will be necessary to demolish the house ....... wink
          1. megadeth
            megadeth 19 May 2020 12: 09 New
            +1
            VVP said to mother all over Russia: - "To hell with all SNIPs" ...
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 19 May 2020 23: 30 New
        0
        Why are there so many people in Siberia? It is more profitable for Gazprom if you have exactly as many people as you need to service and protect the pipes, as well as for gas production. Gazprom does not need the rest of the people of Siberia.
    5. Comrade Michael
      Comrade Michael 19 May 2020 08: 41 New
      +1
      Never. You are not profitable. Gas Prom.)
    6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 08: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?

      So you tried to clarify why you are not connected? It would be very interesting to know.
    7. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 19 May 2020 09: 05 New
      +8
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?

      We spent ourselves. Gathered, chipped ... Already 15 years drowning. My son has a gas holder. It turns out much more expensive. But if you expand the connection price - a project, pipes, a loopback ... a gas station, or whatever it is called there ... neighbors say - let the gas tank work ... Payback 20 years.
      I can imagine how much the gasification of the village will cost in 2 dozen kilometers, out of at least 100 yards. Trenches, pipes, wiring in the village ... And 500 cubic meters per month - consumption! 2500 r / s compound.
      250 t / month "per circle" ... The cost of wiring and everything that is needed for gasification is at least 25 lam. And you also have to look after the farm ... This is bad business. It is better to install a pellet pressing plant at a local sawmill and arrange heating with them. Everything has a price. And no matter how they throw their paws, I will remain with my own people. With dense development, gasification pays off. What about detached villages and farms? Gasification of them will NEVER pay off. The passing high-pressure gas pipeline is not a reason for optimism. The branch could be done at a gas compressor station, but only they do not stand as often as we would like ... 80 - 150 km ...
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 May 2020 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        A tap could have been done at a gas compressor station, but they’re not as often as they would like ... 80 - 150 km ...

        There are places (distribution points) on such gas pipelines where it is planned to connect the discharge pipelines, especially on the traverse of more or less large settlements, based on their prospective gasification. I remember when our garrison village was gasified, such a place was found at the shortest distance between the main pipeline and the garrison.
    8. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 19 May 2020 09: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?

      When throw off and pay all SNT on the technical project, materials and work wink
    9. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      SNT Chamomile -2

      In Perm, we do not always have technical conditions for connecting gas on IZHS lands, and you are SNT ...))
    10. Hagen
      Hagen 19 May 2020 11: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?

      It seems to me that you do not particularly need this gas. I draw this conclusion on the basis that a person who is happy and eager to really solve something, first delves into the topic and finds an authority that can be asked an exciting question. Your question is entirely in the powers of local self-government on the basis of 131FZ. This is where you need to ask him. For Gazprom, your little twig is misuse of funds, a criminal offense. So call Volyanskaya or Nevolin to the gathering and ask them the same question. They should be in the subject.
    11. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 May 2020 12: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      our gas will be brought to us in SNT Chamomile -2

      A hat in a circle and you will have a "twig", they are used to living on a freebie .... You have 100 thousand earnings there in Moscow ...
      1. reservist
        reservist 19 May 2020 14: 37 New
        0
        Of course, there are earnings of 100 thousand and more in Moscow, but not everyone has it ...
        Yes, and it's not about non-rubber, but about the region ...
        a few years ago I asked a neighbor how much it came out to make the heating of the house 6x8 - then it was over 300 thousand and a lot of time to run around ...
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 20 May 2020 07: 14 New
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          [quote = reservist] it turned out to make the heating of the house 6x8 - then it was 300 thousand with a little and a lot of time to run around ...
          I have a dacha in the village, an ordinary village house 6x8, in order to gasify the village, all the residents first threw themselves into the project, then they bought pipes, materials and equipment for wiring the system in the village, throughout the year they regularly and alternately waved shovels and crowbars on trenches where the trencher could not work, when the risers were installed, it was time to install gas equipment directly in houses and on the territory of estates, again projects, materials, equipment, work of specialists, then launch, paperwork, bribes to the gas office, all from your own pocket ... I'm already at a loss to say how much it cost me, but no less than the cost of a good car. The only thing is that the "gas authorities" have laid a 5 km gas pipeline from the low-pressure route to the village, and thanks for that.
          Now it turned out that gas heating is not so cheap and many are moving back to firewood ... Such, here, things ....
          1. AVTOHTON
            AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 07: 39 New
            -1
            Quote: bistrov.
            I'm already at a loss to say how much it cost me, but no less than the cost of a good car. The only thing is that the "gas authorities" have laid a 5 km gas pipeline from the low-pressure route to the village, and thanks for that.

            I will not argue .. You have gas workers .. negative
            In our village in the Urals 20 years ago Beauty conducted gas !!!
            The branch was pulled 200-300 km .. Gas boiler houses were installed in the districts .. Only private owners paid for the connection and connection but not too expensive, pensioners even pulled this amount ..
            And about FOKs and sports grounds for children, I generally keep quiet beautifully in modern times .. No complaints to Gazprom!
            And before that there was a complete nightmare, eternal rumors before the cold, they didn’t bring a tanning boom, then the pipes burst .. In houses above 15 grams, the pace did not rise .. (this is in the 90s) ..
            In short, the investments were huge and all this clearly did not pay off, but the people were happy!
            PS / I'm not the daughter of an officer .. I am writing as is! Now they are building an electric station from solar panels .. Why really I don’t know .. The plant has not been working for a long time .. and the people are scattering slowly .. That's how we live!
    12. max702
      max702 20 May 2020 15: 36 New
      0
      They will also be pulled through Mongolia because of the need to increase energy capacities for Mongolia itself, which will make it possible to build gas power plants for them, thereby we not only get sales of our products, but also solve the most important problem of closing the construction of hydroelectric power plants on the river feeding Baikal ..
      All the local bleating about the lack of gas in Siberia and by the way comes from 30 silver coins .. Alas, economic profitability is the most important component of REALITY, and not fictional little worlds feasting here liberda. And it is the implementation of such projects as SP1 \ 2, UP \ TP, SS1 \ 2, ESPO, Yamal LNG and others that just brings the gasification of most of the facilities in our country, in order not to understand this, one must either be a paid-up Judas or a complete idiot ...
  2. mole
    mole 19 May 2020 06: 31 New
    +9
    solve problems of internal gasification ...

    Then a pipe past the village goes to another, near the Bukhara-Ural gas pipeline. Everything in the village is wood burning. Connect for more than 20 years.
    Although after the construction of the Force of Siberia 22 can connect?
    1. askort154
      askort154 19 May 2020 07: 24 New
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      Mole ...There the pipe past the village goes to another, near the Bukhara-Ural gas pipeline. Everything in the village is wood burning.

      Do not be sad. For connecting to gas, they tear off the amount that is enough to purchase firewood for decades. yes hi
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 07: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Mole
      Then a pipe past the village goes to another, near the Bukhara-Ural gas pipeline. Everything in the village is wood burning. Connect for more than 20 years.
      Although after the construction of the Force of Siberia 22 can connect?

      Have you found out why they’re not connecting?
      1. Romey
        Romey 19 May 2020 09: 43 New
        +3
        We found out this matter from our fat-bellied State Duma deputy last year (a miracle happened and a subject from Moscow's skies deigned to descend and graciously talk with the lochtorat). He said that neither the district nor the regional budget has money and is not expected. But, they, wise statesmen foresaw this and adopted the law on deadwood. So win.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 09: 48 New
          +2
          Well, at least someone was able to answer, thanks!
          Let me ask: how much money is required to gasify your NP?
          1. Romey
            Romey 19 May 2020 10: 47 New
            +4
            I don’t remember exactly how many dozens of lyamas, although the fat guy called the number in the district. But the people will definitely not be able to take a chip ... Here with a pipe brought to the house, the price of gasification is at least 200 thousand ...
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 10: 58 New
              +3
              Thanks again. You are the only one who answered.
              All the best!
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 19 May 2020 08: 04 New
      +3
      Everything in the village is wood burning. Connect for more than 20 years.
      On this occasion, one comedian was remembered.
    4. Hto tama
      Hto tama 19 May 2020 08: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Mole
      solve problems of internal gasification ...

      Then a pipe past the village goes to another, near the Bukhara-Ural gas pipeline. Everything in the village is wood burning. Connect for more than 20 years.
      Although after the construction of the Force of Siberia 22 can connect?

      Your pipe goes past the village, and our situation is even more interesting: In the distant zero, the city began to gasify the private sector, by 2005 almost everyone except our quarter was connected on our street, they promised to connect by 2010, but the local nouveau riche people who bought the plots and built they didn’t want to wait at home, they all walked in, they urged us to chip in and connect at our own expense, but where did the people get such money request Well, they stretched a branch to their mansions, created a company "horns and hooves", now the city refuses to draw gas to ordinary residents, and gas engines are sent to this company, the same ones require 80 thousand rubles for connecting, not counting what you will give gas engines for a pipe that will be pulled to the house. This is how things are with us, my husband put the boiler on solid fuel, we will be fired with coal drinks hi
    5. KCA
      KCA 19 May 2020 08: 23 New
      +4
      You simply can’t make an insertion into the gas pipeline with a tap, you need to install a distribution station to reduce pressure, do you need a lot of money, is there a big village? Does man 20 even live? How many hundreds of years will distribution pay off?
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 19 May 2020 09: 17 New
        +3
        And how much will the power of Siberia pay off ??
        1. KCA
          KCA 19 May 2020 09: 29 New
          +1
          The first is estimated at 19 years old, the second may be more
  3. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 06: 33 New
    +8
    Bullshit. Gas is sold to China cheaper than ours.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 19 May 2020 09: 21 New
      0
      That's because our country is too big .. and yet this is how it .. the climate is bad, here ..
      And the population is too much .. for such a number of resources ..
      Or too little .. for such a big country ..
      Something I got confused already .. but there is definitely a reason .. Zaputintsy wrote about this after all ..
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 10: 26 New
        +2
        Somehow on the site "Made with us, I stumbled upon that we have saved electricity, and its sales to China have increased. Wow, an achievement!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 19 May 2020 11: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          stumbled that we have saved electric energy, and its sale to China has increased. In, achievement!

          If electricity is generated and there is nowhere to put it, then it is easier and more profitable to sell it than to maneuver power. Some stations, especially nuclear power plants, do not respond well to these maneuvers.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 13: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Hagen
            If electricity is generated and there is nowhere to put it, then it’s easier and more profitable to sell it,

            I just near the house 4 plants were covered, and the fifth, bourgeois, recently closed the workshop. I’m spinning like a louse on a rope, right now I’ll go to download water to summer residents.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 19 May 2020 16: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I just near the house 4 plants were covered

              And where does the sold EE? Would you like to close the station? I can not discuss the closure of factories that I have not seen and I know the conditions of their work. But I think if they were profitable - they would not close ... Bourgeois, he is a bourgeois in Russia too. What makes a profit is usually developed ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 19: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Hagen
                . Bourgeois, he is a bourgeois in Russia. What makes a profit is usually developed ...

                Figs there. We saw how they "develop". They take loans for workshops, workers are paid a minimum wage, and they themselves roll out on boomers.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 19 May 2020 19: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  They take loans for workshops, workers pay a minimum wage, and they roll out on boomers.

                  Well, how can we go without it. Primary capital accumulation is still taking place in Russia today. And not all businessmen are "seven inches in the forehead". But there are such people everywhere, including in "traditionally capitalist" countries. They are not today "dictating fashion" in the economy. These processes are more typical of small businesses, where the management staff is present in full, and the production staff is in a very reduced composition. One thing is clear, the bank will never give a loan more than the real value of the collateral. Therefore, if an individual bourgeois has enough imagination only up to a boomer, then he will not last long in business.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 19: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Therefore, if an individual bourgeois has only enough imagination to boomer, then he will not last long in business.

                    Aren't I on the drum? I would have thrust scrap into such businessmen. The cold end.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 04 New
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                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I would have thrust scrap into such businessmen. The cold end.

                      There is no global catastrophe. There is - it is not allowed to be a successful entrepreneur. It is not necessary to kill such an entrepreneur. The bank sells its assets, and its employees will have a new owner, perhaps more advanced and successful. This is a normal process. See how many oilmen go bankrupt in the US today. What will happen after the pandemic, too, is not entirely clear. Therefore, the stock must be replenished at any time, however difficult it may be, especially if you work in a private small enterprise.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 10 New
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                        Quote: Hagen
                        The bank sells its assets, and its employees will have a new owner, perhaps more advanced and successful.

                        You do not understand the words? I am writing to you in Russian, five enterprises where I worked were covered with a copper basin.
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 14 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I am writing to you in Russian, five enterprises,

                        There were four slightly above them. And I told you that I can’t discuss their fate, because I don’t know anything about them. You suggest to take your word that their owners are inveterate de.bi.ly? Not ready...
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 19 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        There were four slightly above them.

                        Read carefully. The fifth, bourgeois, closed the shops two weeks ago.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You suggest to take your word that their owners are inveterate de.bi.ly?

                        That is not so. They are in chocolate, and we are in the anus.
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        They are in chocolate, and we are in the anus.

                        Sorry...
              2. Grigory_78
                Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 41 New
                0
                Why cold? It’s better to warm up to a warm reddish tint. And then we have such businessmen put on the wanted list when they have long been abroad.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 04: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gregory_78
                  Why cold?

                  So as not to take it out.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 19 May 2020 06: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    GazProm, and when a small branch of our gas will be brought to us in SNT Romashka -2, Ramensky district, Moscow region?

    And you will settle there more Chinese. These are consumers of the public domain, and you are just a population. Why do you need gas? Use the American supply chain-liquefied. And make sure that the supreme thoughts are correct.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 19 May 2020 11: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Sentry73
      And you will settle there more Chinese. These are consumers of the public domain, and you are just a population. Why do you need gas?

      Settle the Chinese ... You yourself will go around the world. Because it is unlikely that any of ours will compete with them. Judge for yourself how they are used to making money:
      ".... Overwork is a common occurrence in the labor market in China, the work schedule is even jokingly called" rhythm 996 ": from nine in the morning to nine in the evening six days a week. The inhabitants of megacities work especially hard .... Vacation. For many Chinese workers of such a concept does not exist at all. The labor market is overcrowded and an employee who is thinking about paid vacation will quickly find a replacement. A few national holidays (Education Day, Spring Festival) can be considered a vacation. In total, it turns out 2 weeks off .... "We agree to work in the same mode? I understand you were just kidding laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 May 2020 06: 54 New
    +2
    Pipelines in the direction of East Asia, increased competition in this market, the currency from the sale - all this is of course good. But ... Correctly write and wrote above repeatedly when discussing these topics, and when will we gasify our country? It is clear that a huge territory, you can’t bring a pipeline to every nook and cranny. But when the settlements are next to the passing gas pipeline, how is it?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 19 May 2020 11: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But when the settlements are next to the passing gas pipeline, how is it?

      The main gas pipeline that passes nearby, that does not pass there is no difference. There you still have to pile a lot of dough at a lowering station, etc. ..... This Union with its economy could afford the metro to a depth of 100 meters and the gasification of villages and farms into three houses! Capitalism cannot afford it! Alas.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 19 May 2020 11: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: neri73-r
        This Union with its economy could afford the metro to a depth of 100 meters and the gasification of villages and farms into three houses! Capitalism cannot afford it! Alas.

        Is it not because of that realization of "impermissible for capitalism" that the Union collapsed? Each country, no matter what formation, in the economic sense should be self-sustaining, and even capable of accumulation. Therefore, any government, with any method of government, any party, must be able to earn its own budget and live in proportion to it.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 19 May 2020 12: 04 New
          +2
          Was it not because of that realization of "impermissible for capitalism" that the Union collapsed?

          No, not from that one!
          in an economic sense, it should be self-sustaining,
          Yeah, you still forgot about the invisible hand of the market! wassat You look from the direction of indisputable dogmatic capitalism.
          In the Union, the economy was OTHER! Profit at all costs was not at the forefront!
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 19 May 2020 16: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: neri73-r
            In the Union, the economy was OTHER!

            There is no other economy. What you have raised you eat, and nothing more. And there is no alternative to this but death by starvation. And, no, there is another economy - someone from the outside can feed a freebie in order to eat it later. laughing And we wanted to repeat the miracles of Jesus. It is only today that our memory has become short. And in the 90s, nobody even raised slippers for the Union. Why would that be?

            Quote: neri73-r
            No, not from that one!
            in an economic sense, it should be self-sustaining,
            Yeah, you still forgot about the invisible hand of the market!

            Notice, I did not mention the market. But in any case, the price of the product should cover the costs of its production. And in the USSR, a kilo of finished bread was cheaper than a bottle of soda. This is probably right for you. Are you a general in life too? wassat
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 19 May 2020 16: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              Are you a general in life too?

              Just a colonel. hi Due to age or education, I see you are not familiar with the subject of political economy? Now they are not studying it. To explain for a long time, and I see no reason. What happened to the Union, what happened, today the red project is still under the cloth.

              There is no other economy. What you have raised you eat, and nothing more.
              You have forgotten about "killed" you eat and "took away" you eat! And much more.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 19 May 2020 16: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: neri73-r
                Due to age or education, I see you are not familiar with the subject of political economy? Now they are not studying

                You, as I understand it, have already forgotten, except for the name. Show me at least one country with an economy like in the USSR. But "practice is the criterion of truth," or not?
                Quote: neri73-r
                You have forgotten about "killed" you eat and "took away" you eat!

                Something pulled you to crime?
                Quote: neri73-r
                To explain for a long time, and I see no reason. What happened to the Union, what happened, today the red project is still under the cloth.

                Under what cloth? Where is that cloth? At the casino? You and I will not see that project, that's for sure. And you will not pass it on to your children, and I will not pass it on. And grandchildren will not know about him.
                1. Grigory_78
                  Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 59 New
                  0
                  Some economists, who have not forgotten political economy, argue that we are waiting for big changes in the near future. Especially considering what is happening in the USA. They say that the inevitable inflation of the dollar is coming, which will be accompanied by at least the loss of its value as the only world reserve currency. The remaining processes, smaller ones, are difficult to predict. But the globalist economy is no longer viable. The complete oblivion of the red project in the light of such changes is in question. At least I would like to believe in it. But, I hope, already in a more pragmatic version. Without fraternity and constant gratuitous help, anyone could get on an ideological basis.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 20 May 2020 16: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gregory_78
                    big changes await us in the near future.

                    Frankly, I see no prerequisites for this. The power in the United States does not belong to the presidents, from the change of which little changes in the country's politics. Our confrontation will not go away, but will intensify.
                    Quote: Gregory_78
                    The complete oblivion of the red project in the light of such changes is in question.

                    There will be no oblivion, but restoration does not threaten. Who will restore this project? In any form? The fact that the majority of HEs are intensely nostalgic for the Union does not mean the country's readiness to support it. The level of popularity of communist parties does not reach the level that is capable of carrying out another revolution, and I will not say anything about the group of leaders. There are no Lenins there. I think that everything is not so bad as to wait for improvements. I think that it will be the same as now with easy turbulence and a difficult economic situation, which, in principle, is not the first time for us, unfortunately. I have been looking at the horizon for about 30 years. I don't really care much further. And not because they don’t care, but because the forecast is not looming at all. It hurts the group of leaders of the main decisive countries has become irresponsible and shortsighted.
            2. neri73-r
              neri73-r 19 May 2020 16: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Hagen
              And in the USSR, a kilo of finished bread was cheaper than a bottle of soda. This is probably right for you.

              Yes, right! Back in the USSR, the book was cheaper than a bottle of beer! And the education was massive, free and excellent, regardless of the solvency of the parents and much more.

              And in the 90s, nobody even raised slippers for the Union. Why would that be?

              It is a pity that you do not understand why. If my fellow citizens do not understand this, then we can relive it again!
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 19 May 2020 16: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: neri73-r
                Back in the USSR, the book was cheaper than a bottle of beer! And the education was massive, free and excellent, regardless of the wealth of parents

                Yes, and almost all billionaires in Russia have "red" diplomas from universities in the USSR (and also from schools of the Soviet and party activists). And you're right, books were cheaper than beer, so in order to buy some Dumas (the author is not a matter of principle), you had to sign up and stand in line for the night, or in the late 70s hand over some kg of waste paper. You should have seen how many Lenin's PSS were lying around at the reception points ?! laughing There was a lot of good, but there was also wherever I would return. I repeat one famous character - the USSR should not be idealized. Moreover, you should not think that I am an apologist for changes in the 90s. I am a realist, and I think that we must live within our means, keeping in mind the past, nevertheless strive more forward.
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 19 May 2020 17: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  therefore, in order to buy some Dumas (the author is not principled), it was necessary to sign up and stand in line for the night, or in the late 70's to hand over some kg of waste paper.

                  You are talking about the late USSR, but it rolled by inertia. I talk about the USSR from 1945 (possible from 1937) to the 53rd. Treachery happened with Khrushchev and the sunset and curtailment of the project began.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 19 May 2020 17: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: neri73-r
                    I talk about the USSR from 1945 (possible from 1937) to the 53rd.

                    Unlike you, in the specified period I have not yet been designed. laughing But I agree, the leadership of the USSR began to rot with Khrushch, and did not stop until the EBN. And this suggests that the USSR was institutionally doomed, no matter how tragic it may sound. A man died and the whole system fell apart. It says a lot. For example, China, having reworked Kosygin's reform plan, moved away from the formal dogmatism of the socialist idea. And today the CPC is quite rationally adjacent to private capital. But this path could have been ours ... If not for the obstinacy of the ideologists of the Central Committee of Khrushchev's "call."
                    1. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 19 May 2020 17: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Unlike you, in the specified period I have not yet been designed. laughing

                      Before this period, an engineer was created (my dad was 1935 g / r), who designed me. tongue
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: neri73-r
                        Before this period, an engineer was created (my dad was 1935 g / r), who designed me.

                        This fact does not change the general picture of the world. wink
                2. Grigory_78
                  Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 51 New
                  +1
                  I support. I will say this - I do not know if I'm right, but our views are largely similar at least.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 May 2020 06: 54 New
    +5
    Contractors applaud, the Chinese shrug their shoulders, the Mongols curl the fingers of the "environmental expertise" ...
    In terms of volumes and prices, "the strength of Siberia-1", so far - "Chinese fog" with American unknowns.
    Why do Gazprom shareholders need this project - Miller knows him. winked
  • Undecim
    Undecim 19 May 2020 06: 58 New
    +7
    Everything is correct. It is necessary to build a couple of branches to Japan too and call it "The Power of the East". At current rates of production, the explored gas reserves in Russia will last for 50-60 years. At the same time, the Government believes that there is no need to save money; on the contrary, it is necessary to sell more.
    Deputy Energy Minister of the Russian Federation Pavel Sorokin: "Russia should not try to save these reserves, but monetize them ... In 40-50 years we may not receive the full value of these reserves." As Ostap Bender said; "Strike the iron on the spot."
    1. Avior
      Avior 19 May 2020 08: 58 New
      +4
      Let me disagree with you
      Chef Lelik and Genes Kozodoev, Michal Ivanovich, and not Ostap Bender spoke about hardware and cash.
      smile

      And the rest - you're right.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 19 May 2020 09: 11 New
        -1
        Yes, I was wrong. It was necessary to insert: "The time that we have is money that we do not have."
  • thinker
    thinker 19 May 2020 06: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    Chamomile -2 Ramensky district of the Moscow region?

    Pot calls the kettle black yes
    Regarding the Moscow region, it should be noted that here the highest level of gasification in Russia is as much as 97%. In almost all large settlements and villages near Moscow there is main gas.

    https://nedvio.com/plan-gazifikatsii-poselkov-moskovskoy-oblasti/
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 May 2020 07: 02 New
    +3
    When will they already understand that millions of domestic retail buyers are economically more profitable than incomprehensible wholesale abroad with constant unfastening to transit and crazy delivery conditions?
    1. bar
      bar 19 May 2020 08: 00 New
      +4
      Money from domestic buyers will remain inside the country, it is difficult to pump it offshore. And the loot from "incomprehensible wholesalers abroad" is already immediately abroad, and immediately in dollars. Conveniently.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 19 May 2020 08: 14 New
      +2
      they will understand already
      these live one day. Wholesale, this is the zagreb here and now. And internal is a prospect. Although they have been ruling for more than 20 years, they are all afraid that they will suddenly be kicked out.
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 19 May 2020 11: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: sergo1914
      When will they already understand that millions of domestic retail buyers are more economically profitable than obscure wholesale abroad

      If you think so much better about this, why aren't you the gender of Gazprom? laughing
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 19 May 2020 12: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: sergo1914
        When will they already understand that millions of domestic retail buyers are more economically profitable than obscure wholesale abroad

        If you think so much better about this, why aren't you the gender of Gazprom? laughing


        They don’t take them from the street. Only close. And the turn for 100 years is scheduled. Are you so naive, you live in Russia?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 19 May 2020 16: 29 New
          -1
          Quote: sergo1914
          They don’t take them from the street. Only close. And the turn for 100 years is scheduled. Are you so naive, you live in Russia?

          I live in Siberia and I know personally some of the guys who work in Gazprom in decent positions. Normal guys, no "pedigrees". They just do not sit in VO, but work like "dad Carlo". And they also studied conscientiously ...
          Quote: sergo1914
          And the turn for 100 years is painted

          An excuse for not quite successful people who were unable to "move mountains" for various reasons, including personal ones.
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 20 May 2020 11: 55 New
            0
            And you dig deeper with family ties 30-50 years ago Especially good ears stick out in 96-99 years I am not in Siberia and not a "silovik" but the regional center is small and I remember very well whom they took to Gazprom before, especially when they paid salaries in dollars ( many believe that the surnames are forgotten and they quietly went into the shadows living in cottages on the outskirts, but this is not so) Now yes You can also meet ordinary workhorses from which the very ones with connections are recruited, but these horses do not solve anything (maximum middle manager-control execution) and yes, they plow for a decent salary (for example, a locksmith) It's just that the trend has changed, now the thieves don't work yet, but only make decisions and (or) paint their nails w-poo they warm it to someone (for good money I must say) This is - the link to workhorses is the most wicked because it creates the illusion for a young guy (girl) that they can achieve something more than a thick piece of butter for their bread.In fact, a workhorse from the side of nickname When she will not be allowed to make decisions, be it even seven inches in her forehead and this is a fact And the most interesting thing is that when she becomes unable to work, she will be thrown out like a used condom This is one of the pain points of our country now. Of course, you can indicate the inclusion of some simple in the elite through marriage This happens, although rarely, especially at the level of villages and regional centers (but this is a separate topic)
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 20 May 2020 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: awdrgy
              In fact, the workhorse from the outside will never be allowed to make decisions if it is at least seven spans in the forehead

              You make assumptions. I am content with facts. Do you think that you and many others have no chance without a "pedigree"? Perfectly. The more these chances are for those who are willing to risk and act. Obviously, I am far from your regional center, from which someone was chosen by Gazprom. We here in Siberia grow and realize our own dreams. (those who are able to move).
              Quote: awdrgy
              And you dig deeper with family ties 30-50 years ago. Especially good ears stick out in 96-99 years

              I don’t have to dig and pick out anything. Those I know in Gazprom, I got under the table and wiped my noses. I do not need to dig out their connections. But you have the right to build your sand castles ....
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 20 May 2020 22: 53 New
                0
                - "You make assumptions" Think so and everything will be fine with us)
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 21 May 2020 10: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: awdrgy
                  - "You make assumptions" Think so and everything will be fine with us)

                  And I don't think everything will be all right. I do it "well" with my own hands. And I do not put myself signs in the desert. When it is good in the country, and my "good" increases. When the country is not very good, then I turn to the accumulated in advance "NZ". I am allergic to all sorts of nonsense, such as "revolutions and coups" ...
                  1. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 21 May 2020 11: 30 New
                    +1
                    Me too)
  • rocket757
    rocket757 19 May 2020 07: 05 New
    0
    Fossil hydrocarbons, gas, will be used for a long time! An alternative is not straight tomorrow will appear ... it means they will sell over the hill!
    is this good or bad? if you put the scales, while it turns out that it will be so, because ...
    Will we live better on that ???
    It is in this aspect that it makes no sense to discuss, because the reason is completely different ....
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 May 2020 07: 09 New
    +2
    And in the prioritization of gasification of the Russian hinterland, and not at skinning prices does not appear? And then everything for sale in a foreign country, and the native population will survive from year to year by firewood, or from a corner from the dumps.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 19 May 2020 07: 37 New
    +4
    Bring gas to our micro enterprise! Since the collapse of the union, production has been increasing, but domestic consumption has not. Where does he go ...
  • prior
    prior 19 May 2020 07: 42 New
    +9
    Under the leadership of manager Miller, Gazprom is turning, Gazprom is turning .... from a national treasure to an international debtor.
    He owes to everyone who sells gas - Ukraine, Poland, Tribaltic ..........
    Completion of the "Power of Siberia" will owe China ......
  • bar
    bar 19 May 2020 07: 56 New
    +5
    At the same time, the company will solve an important task for the country in gasification of the regions of Eastern Siberia.

    And just so long ago to solve the problem of gasification all regions Has Russia been hindered by Gazprom? Russian regions will not be supplied with gas without the next gigantic costs for the next branch to their beloved China? Or are statements about gasification just a screen behind which money will be spent on the next "force"?
  • Esaul
    Esaul 19 May 2020 08: 43 New
    +2
    News in 20 years:

    The Power of Siberia-6 gas pipeline will unite the gas transportation infrastructure of Russia
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 May 2020 09: 17 New
    -3
    Amazing people!
    Two commentators complaining that their settlements are not gasified asked the question: did they find out why, in fact? And in response to silence, only cons.
    Is this some kind of top-secret information?
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 19 May 2020 09: 21 New
    0
    Announcement: selling home for cheap.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 19 May 2020 09: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Comrade Michael
    In Ryazan, we had a gas pipeline passing by the village. The Soviet government threw a branch into our village, but died not finished. Now the gas is 3 meters from my fence. The price of this project is about 120 thousand rubles and 2 years of running around ...

    This is “godly” considering inflation and the collapse of the ruble lol I just picked up the pipe at the entrance in 2010, so that the heavy trucks passed, I gave 130t. fellow
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 19 May 2020 09: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: bar

    But did something hinder Gazprom just long ago to solve the problem of gasification in all regions of Russia?

    What for? Are there any plans for the industrialization of the country? In other cases, these are irreplaceable expenses, according to the ideology of optimizers.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 19 May 2020 11: 06 New
    0
    In general, another cut dough for its builders. And this is at a time when Gazprom is already in debt like silk. freaky just freaky
  • ZVS
    ZVS 19 May 2020 11: 16 New
    +2
    Putin is in a hurry to sell off Russia's wealth. In Russia, not all villages are gasified, but Europe and Southeast Asia use our gas.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 19 May 2020 13: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    But isn't local government supposed to deal with issues of local gasification?

    Yes, they would be happy to do this, but all taxes (including income taxes) were in Moscow. And all the head offices of all profitable companies were there. Local budgets are often scarce, they expect handouts from the region. They don’t have enough for the most necessary things (well, local bureaucrats steal , so the little things). hi
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 20 May 2020 10: 47 New
    0
    The power of Siberia! And the arrow in advertising- (leaves Siberia to China) Taunt ??? Now somewhere else (
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 21 May 2020 13: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Sentry73
    And you will settle there more Chinese. These are consumers of the public domain, and you are just a population. Why do you need gas?

    Settle the Chinese ... You yourself will go around the world. Because it is unlikely that any of ours will compete with them. Judge for yourself how they are used to making money:
    ".... Overwork is a common occurrence in the labor market in China, the work schedule is even jokingly called" rhythm 996 ": from nine in the morning to nine in the evening six days a week. The inhabitants of megacities work especially hard .... Vacation. For many Chinese workers of such a concept does not exist at all. The labor market is overcrowded and an employee who is thinking about paid vacation will quickly find a replacement. A few national holidays (Education Day, Spring Festival) can be considered a vacation. In total, it turns out 2 weeks off .... "We agree to work in the same mode? I understand you were just kidding laughing

    It's nice to deal with a smart person!