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How abroad they reacted to the decision of the German authorities on Nord Stream-2: a few examples

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The decision of the German authorities on the non-withdrawal of the Nord Stream-2 project from the requirements of the so-called “gas directive” of the EU is commented not only in Russia, but also abroad. Perhaps the greatest euphoria about this reigns in the circles of the Ukrainian authorities. So, the chairman of the Ukrainian government, Denis Shmygal, even congratulated Germany on such a decision.


According to Shmygal, the decision made by Berlin “shows allegiance to the uniform rules of the European Union”.

At the same time, in Germany itself, cries of irony are heard about the statement of the Ukrainian prime minister. It is noted that the government of a non-EU country "seems to be more aware of the existence of common EU rules than in the EU itself." It is added that, to put it mildly, it’s strange to talk about common EU rules at a time when even “Schengen” does not work.

Recall that the EU’s “gas directive” prescribes to reserve 50% of gas pipeline capacities to ensure “competitiveness”. European experts believe that, by and large, this rule is not fully operational, since “in case of urgent need” one company may be given more than 50% of the pipeline’s volume. It is noted that the economic crisis could be an important reason for the pipes of the same SP-2 to not be half empty (after the construction of the gas pipeline).

S&P Global, meanwhile, reminds that Nord Stream-2 has a month to appeal.

Meanwhile, Poland has once again stated that Nord Stream-2 “cannot have any privileges in the European energy market.” PGNiG claims that SP-2 "will pose a threat to the security of supplies and competition in the European gas market."

Of course, they welcomed the decision of the FRG authorities in the USA. But what about the very directive regarding American energy suppliers? If Europe cares so much about competition, then it’s worth extending its gas directive to American marine gas carriers transporting LNG to Europe. In turn, this means that tanker capacities should be filled with 50% of the gas of “alternative suppliers” - for example, LNG from Russia ... Or are they “undemocratic” to extend their EU directives to US gas carriers?
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 May 2020 09: 32 New
    15
    Germany under the hood since 1945. Something is changing, but very slowly.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 May 2020 09: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Doccor18
      Germany under the hood since 1945. Something is changing, but very slowly.

      Are you sure that since 45? And for me, from the years of commercials from the tenths of that century, I think ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 16 May 2020 09: 38 New
        26
        Since 1918, indirectly, since 1949 clearly and rigidly.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 16 May 2020 09: 47 New
          +3
          This is closer to the truth. And Aloizych is the brainchild of the Anglo-Saxon power clans. But something went wrong as planned. Surely the plans of the British did not coincide with the plans of the states
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 16 May 2020 13: 44 New
            +4
            Meanwhile, Poland has once again stated that Nord Stream-2 “cannot have any privileges in the European energy market.” PGNiG claims that SP-2 "will pose a threat to the security of supplies and competition in the European gas market."

            The fact of the matter is that the main supplier of gas for the "SP-2" is precisely Russia and no one else!
            What are the pro-American henpecked Brussels and Washington doing?
            Seeks a rise in the cost of delivering Russian gas to the EU due to the rise in the cost of its transportation due to the underutilization of "SP-2" with gas by 50%.
            Moreover, they require the Russian Federation to maintain a minimum price for Russian gas.
            Thus, gas exports to Europe are becoming more expensive for the Russian Federation — less than the cost of its production.
            This is an elementary CONSIDERED and unnatural for "SP-2" Washington's ousting of Russia from the European gas market. Even when Russia is feeding cheap gas to anti-Russian hostile Ukraine and Poland!

            All this is somewhat reminiscent of a non-aggression pact between the USSR and Nazi Germany before the German attack on the USSR in 1941.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 16 May 2020 19: 17 New
              +6
              I wonder will submission be respected the requirements of the so-called EU Gas Directive in which the gas pipe from the country of the gas producer should not be more than 50%, regarding the Polish single pipeline with gas supplies from only one - Norway?

              It should be noted that Poland has also gathered and is planning to build a single-line underwater gas pipeline from Norway to Poland through Denmark. At the same time, gas through the Polish gas pipeline will also come from only one gas producing country - from Norway. As is the case with Russia.

              Let me remind you. Gas in "SP-2" will come only from a producer from one country - Russia, since no other gas pipelines from other countries have been built to the "SP-2" gas pipeline and it seems that their construction is not even planned.

              Thus, the extension of the EU "gas directive" under US pressure to similar single-line gas pipelines between countries, provided that these gas pipelines should contain no more than 50% of gas from one producer country, [/ b] leads to technical absurdity and significantly reduces the profitability of such projects.
              1. white.eagle
                white.eagle 17 May 2020 17: 52 New
                0
                if Poland decided to build Baltic Pipe 2 ...
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 17 May 2020 18: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Doccor18
          Since 1918, indirectly, since 1949 clearly and rigidly.

          To be more precise, it is almost the 51st-52nd state of the SGA! Where is the newly elected "chancellor" going? In the SGA, to get the "CU"! Where are the arsenals of the YAO SGA? Who feeds this whole pack of SGAs? And all these questions run into Germany! And the support of the ukradina was from Germanic too!
      2. nikon7717
        nikon7717 16 May 2020 09: 44 New
        20
        If you think that since the Weimar Republic, you do not agree. The partition of Germany and Austria-Hungary after World War I occurred, but control by the 1th was already purely nominal. And in the 30s there was nothing to control in the destroyed country. Only reparation payments.
        Let them say anything today. The dog barks the wind wears. As a result, they will buy from this pipe. The main thing to complete and run. Any crisis reaches the bottom and goes into the growth phase. Good luck to the pipelayer.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 16 May 2020 10: 49 New
          +7
          And in the days of the Weimar Republic, too, bankers from the United States "twisted" as they wanted. The plans of Dawes, Jung, manipulation of reparations, and so on. etc.
        2. Peter is not the first
          Peter is not the first 16 May 2020 11: 33 New
          +2
          In a ruined country? In the twenties of the 20th century?
          As far as I remember the course of the First World War, almost all the large-scale destruction was not in Germany, but in France, Belgium, Russia (Poland). So, a lot could still be "controlled" in Germany.
          And the pipeline must be completed!
      3. Labrador
        Labrador 16 May 2020 10: 27 New
        +1
        There is no difference when, in this matter.
        But there is a suspicion that this is a maneuver to relieve pressure from the environment. And how the pipeline will be ready, everything will function according to plan.
      4. iouris
        iouris 16 May 2020 11: 31 New
        0
        Everything under the hood.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 May 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      Germany under the hood since 1945. Something is changing, but very slowly.

      A cap, not a cap, but it is occupied without a doubt, while at least one soldier of another country is not on its territory.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 16 May 2020 10: 15 New
      +5
      And what prevents Gazprom from quickly creating a company that will become Gazprom's "partner" in pumping gas to Europe? ??
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 16 May 2020 10: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Thrifty
        And what prevents Gazprom from quickly creating a company that will become Gazprom's "partner" in pumping gas to Europe?

        hi
        The correct thought, but it seems that it has already been created.
        1. NKT
          NKT 16 May 2020 19: 58 New
          +2
          Created already, on a 12 mile stretch
          1. sen
            sen 17 May 2020 03: 55 New
            0
            You can do it easier. Fork the gas pipeline in the 12 mile zone and there will be 50% in each pipe. Only it is necessary to coordinate this with Germany.
      2. Avior
        Avior 16 May 2020 10: 44 New
        +3
        Long established, registered in Switzerland
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 16 May 2020 11: 14 New
        +1
        It is likely that absolutely no fools in Europe?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 16 May 2020 12: 24 New
          0
          Europe is not united. There is a bureaucracy of the European Union tightly controlled and patronized by the states. There are old elites in France, Italy and Germany who have their own views on what is happening.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 16 May 2020 13: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            There are old elites in France, Italy and Germany who have their own views on what is happening.

            There is a practice of consensus and vetoing in the European Union. It will be uplifted on command from across the ocean, some kind of Estonia (in our case, Poland) will veto, Brussels will agree, the states will support, and the old European elite cannot do anything. It was not for this that the European Union was created so that certain countries such as Germany or France could pursue an independent policy. Everything should be under control. But under whose control, guess from three times.
        2. ANB
          ANB 16 May 2020 20: 01 New
          0
          The withdrawal of sp2 is a simple formalism. The creation of companies Gazprom +, Gazprom ++ and so on is the same formalism.
          Everything will be according to the law, dignified, noble.
          And what does "fools in Europe" have to do with it?
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 16 May 2020 23: 14 New
            0
            The creation of companies Gazprom +, Gazprom ++ and so on is the same formalism.
            Everything will be according to the law, dignified, noble.
            And what does "fools in Europe" have to do with it?

            despite the fact that they are there, already there are none.
            Do you seriously think that you’re such a nimble and thought up Gazprom ++ here on the knee, and those people who write these laws in Europe, and have been doing this all their lives like they haven’t thought about it?

            And the fact that this is a formalism to which everyone is ready to close their eyes is just an assumption and nothing more. The formalism was much simpler - the Germans simply could deduce it from the requirements of the directive, that's all.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 16 May 2020 23: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: alexmach
              Do you seriously think that you’re such a nimble and thought up Gazprom ++ here on the knee, and those people who write these laws in Europe, and have been doing this all their lives like they haven’t thought about it?

              I went to recall the fraud scheme. laughing
              1. ANB
                ANB 16 May 2020 23: 50 New
                0
                . I went to recall the fraud scheme. laughing

                What is fraud? Is it prohibited somewhere to create new LLCs and AOs? The GPP company buys gas from the GP, transfers it to Germany through the joint venture, and sells there. What's so illegal?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 00: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ANB
                  What is fraud?

                  Yes, the fact is that in fact the owners will be the same people.
                  1. ANB
                    ANB 17 May 2020 03: 32 New
                    0
                    . Yes, the fact is that in fact the owners will be the same people.

                    Firstly, it is not a fact that the same people will be.
                    Secondly, what is fraud? You can register at least 100 JSC and LLC.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 06: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: ANB
                      Firstly, it is not a fact that the same people will be.

                      Europe will agree only to its own snouts. The government will have to sell part of the "national property".
                      Quote: ANB
                      You can register at least 100 JSC and LLC.

                      This will not cancel the fact that I will remain a monopolist.
                      1. ANB
                        ANB 17 May 2020 22: 56 New
                        0
                        .
                        This will not cancel the fact that I will remain a monopolist.

                        What do you have to do with it? Legal entity after creation lives its own life.
            2. ANB
              ANB 16 May 2020 23: 47 New
              0
              . the Germans simply could get him out of the directive, that's all.

              They did not find formal grounds, and therefore did not withdraw. With the deadlines, we are very stuck.
              Nobody canceled the bureaucracy and power of the written word.
              But bypassing the written words, too.
      4. major147
        major147 16 May 2020 11: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        And what prevents Gazprom from quickly creating a company that will become Gazprom's "partner" in pumping gas to Europe? ??

        As an option. Their law applies to gas pipelines in the EU, and this is about 50 km in the waters of Germany. Lay a similar pipe nearby and always forget about their complaints.
      5. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 16 May 2020 12: 23 New
        +1
        In addition, there Rosneft is trying to supply its gas to Europe. But Gazprom has not yet provided a pipe to them. And there is a reason to load the reserved capacity of the pipe with another supplier, so to speak. And the pipe will work at full capacity and the whole Russian will also have gas. So, it's a joy horses seems to me premature and not entirely justified.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 May 2020 10: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: Doccor18
      Germany under the hood since 1945. Something is changing, but very slowly.
      75 years old. We are 30 years old. Is everything changing fast here? It seems the same to me slowly.
      Quote: Doccor18
      The decision of the German authorities to not withdraw the Nord Stream-2 project from the requirements of the so-called EU gas directive
      Yes, but from the beginning you need to finish building the pipe, and when oil and gas prices rise, then in Germany they will start counting chickens. Now, with falling demand and energy prices, Germany decided to play booty. request
      1. major147
        major147 16 May 2020 11: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Germany decided to play booty.

        She already played it when she put forward a demand for continued transit through the outskirts.
        1. ANB
          ANB 16 May 2020 20: 04 New
          +1
          . She already played it when she put forward a demand for continued transit through the outskirts.

          But the volume is not voiced in the demand. And Ukraine will pump 5 billion at a loss.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 May 2020 20: 23 New
            0
            Quote: ANB
            And Ukraine will pump 5 billion at a loss.

            There will be no loss.
            1. ANB
              ANB 16 May 2020 23: 43 New
              0
              . There will be no loss.

              That's great. Let's say that Ukraine itself refused.
              Transit makes a profit at 90 billion. Transit prices above European cannot be lifted up.
              So in Ukraine they are already yelling about harassment.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 May 2020 23: 52 New
                0
                Quote: ANB
                Transit makes a profit at 90 billion. Transit prices above European cannot be lifted up.

                Where does the figure come from?
                1. ANB
                  ANB 16 May 2020 23: 57 New
                  0
                  So they themselves were talking about it. I will not find the article.
                  They had calculations of how much it takes to transport (depending on the volume of pumping), how many fixed costs to maintain performance. 90 in the head postponed. If the figure is not right, I will not argue.
                  In any case, they will leave a minuscule below profitability.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 00: 02 New
                    0
                    Gazprom daily pays about $ 6 million to the operator of the Ukrainian gas transmission system through Naftogaz Ukrainy, and uses the gas transmission system for a maximum of $ 1,5 million. Based on the volume of 178 million cubic meters per day, transit is evenly distributed throughout the year, which is enough strange, since the supplier usually varies the volume of transit depending on the needs for certain periods (months, quarters ...). At the same time, Sergey Makogon specified that Gazprom would not be able to compensate for the “overpayment” by exceeding the transit of 178 million cubic meters on other days of the year: “Everything extra for a fee”.
                    Both sides agreed to maintain transit for five years with supplies of 65 billion cubic meters in 2020 and 40 billion each from 2021 to 2024. Transportation of 215 billion cubic meters will cost the Russian company $ 7,2 billion.

                    Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/01/05/gazprom-platit-za-ukrainskiy-tranzit-v-4-raza-bolshe-chem-podaet-v-es

                    I really don’t know for whom the zrada is here, and for whom it is too much.
                    1. ANB
                      ANB 17 May 2020 03: 30 New
                      0
                      Oh come on. For 5 years contract.
                      Just as long as they finish building everything, until they fix it, while legal zakazyks will destroy it. Have time to do everything in 5 years.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 17 May 2020 06: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ANB
                        Oh come on. For 5 years contract.

                        I’ve been reading here for 5 years how Ukraine will freeze without our gas.
                      2. ANB
                        ANB 17 May 2020 22: 54 New
                        0
                        . I’ve been reading here for 5 years how Ukraine will freeze without our gas.

                        About "freeze" is not for me. I have never written such heresy.
  2. Civil
    Civil 16 May 2020 10: 58 New
    -4
    Nothing! We’ll wash ourselves and build another gas pipeline with blackjack and courtesans. We just got angry, we’ll build a gas pipeline to our allies. To Iran, to Syria and Venezuela.
  3. Alekseev
    Alekseev 16 May 2020 13: 43 New
    +2
    'Germany pld cap'
    Maybe. But all these discussions of the Nord Stream are not worth a damn.
    The main thing is that it be completed, then you can make other decisions.
    Yes, and you may not need to take them.
    For example, 50% of deliveries will be made by Gazprom, and 50% by Surgutneftegas or Lukoil or someone else. The main thing is that money should go to the Russian budget and Russian producers. Or sell Gazprom gas on the German border.
    In general, the main thing is that there is a pipe and demand, and you can always find an acceptable supply option.
  4. bar
    bar 17 May 2020 08: 16 New
    0
    This is not a cap. It’s just that the United States has not yet withdrawn its occupation forces from Europe.
  5. boss
    boss 17 May 2020 23: 46 New
    +1
    What kind of cap is it?
    Tell the miller that!
    They will clearly explain about partnership.
    How many national money are there, the rulers of the Russian Federation for an unnecessary EU pipe have fallen, eh?
    Yard or hundreds of miles?
    Dollars, if that.
    Retired no?
    There are platons.
    For life, for support, are citizens locked up in captivity not?
    And drown in the Baltic Sea - please ...
    Why knock on the door, where they directly say that there you are not happy!
    This is weird, guys.
    Can't you find ?!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 May 2020 09: 34 New
    +7
    Some have euphoria, others (including Germans) have a complete misunderstanding of the fact that Germany itself is trying to put obstacles when making statements about the need for an SP-2.
    According to Shmygal, the decision made by Berlin “shows devotion to the uniform rules of the European Union”
    Ridiculously, a representative of a non-EU country praises Germany for "loyalty to the interests" of this union. Complete madhouse.
    As always, a "real" Ukrainian ran in and quietly disappeared. That's how they live - they shit, shit, shit ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 16 May 2020 09: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Ridiculously, a representative of a non-EU country praises Germany for "loyalty to the interests" of this union. Complete madhouse.

      Is it not funny to look at this clowning, where Poles with Ukrainians criticize Germany for the construction of a gas pipeline that will go past Poland and Ukraine? The main thing is that this crap is working
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 May 2020 10: 32 New
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        Is it not funny to look at this clowning, where Poles with Ukrainians criticize Germany for the construction of a gas pipeline that will go past Poland and Ukraine?

        It turns out that Vysotsky knew when he wrote the words to the song "They wear chacha by the nose, cherry plum past the company, I'm going to Vacha crying" that Poland and Ukraine are crying. Foresight.
      2. major147
        major147 16 May 2020 11: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: APASUS
        Poles with Ukrainians criticize Germany for the construction of a pipeline that goes past Poland and Ukraine?

        Here the question is, who will feed the excessively noisy, but lazy to work country - Ukraine’s hose.
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          1. major147
            major147 16 May 2020 19: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Driver D
            You are up to the workability of Ukrainians, like land to heaven, mowing weeds, picking up bottles, work for a whole year ...

            Not for you, the illiterate, to assess my ability to work, but under the stick of the overseer on the Polish plantation, you are all "heroes of labor"! fool
            1. Driver d
              Driver d 16 May 2020 19: 49 New
              -5
              wassat that you sho, did you come out of the forest after the war, or did you not retire from drinking? Maybe about your fellow Russians on the "plantations of Europe" under the stick of a German, Polish, Finnish overseer of the same opinion? I'm standing right now, near the Europool plant, there is a whole brigade of Russians, they laughed, joked as always, when I come and unexpectedly meet Russian-speaking people, or should I feel sorry for them on Monday, tell them in their homeland they think that you are in slavery here? fool
              1. major147
                major147 16 May 2020 21: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Driver D
                about your fellow Russians on the "plantations of Europe"

                We have half the country of yours and Asian "Gaster", there are not enough working hands, and you "sing" songs about Russian "Gastars" in the West !? I understand that Ukraine and logic are not compatible things, but not by the same amount! laughing
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                  1. major147
                    major147 16 May 2020 23: 38 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Driver D
                    where Russian and Russian-speaking nemeryano ..

                    You confuse Russians with Russian speakers from the former republics of the USSR.
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                      1. major147
                        major147 17 May 2020 11: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: Driver D
                        I will not further upset you, all the best

                        Thank you, I somehow do not bother! I wish you health and good luck! hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 May 2020 09: 58 New
      -2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As always, a "real" Ukrainian ran into the room and quietly disappeared.

      Country 404 has now become an "incubator" country for the West and China. Well, what kind of conversations can someone have with her.
      1. major147
        major147 16 May 2020 11: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Country 404 has now become an "incubator" country for the West and China. Well, what kind of conversations can someone have with her.

        What are you !? "Ukraine is power!" Cheap. Working. lol
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 May 2020 12: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: major147
          What are you !? "Ukraine is power!" Cheap. Working.

          Yes, now there is a "shortage", especially at construction sites. My "Polish" recruiting firm has closed, many or few but 500 people minus.
          1. Driver d
            Driver d 16 May 2020 19: 30 New
            -1
            Yes, the Poles themselves were builders at German construction sites, they drove concrete steps to Munich yesterday, some Poles at a construction site). Today at the plant, Rusish partisanen met - they make folding plastic boxes.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 16 May 2020 10: 12 New
      +6
      As always, a "real" Ukrainian ran into it and quietly disappeared
      laughing
      Is not a fact! They threw me below the minuses, like even for a "compliment" to them)))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 May 2020 14: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Is not a fact! They threw me below the minuses, like even for a "compliment" to them

        Well, you will no longer give them compliments. They are.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 16 May 2020 15: 08 New
          +2
          Not .. most likely my "personal" minus. And the fact that there are such people, I have no doubt - I noticed that they even gave a minus on holy topics - about veterans, the Second World War, etc. And dill, probably, they consider me as their own)))
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 May 2020 15: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            noticed that minuses were even given on holy topics - about veterans, WWII

            The same thing happens.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 16 May 2020 17: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And dill, I probably think for their)))

            No, they think that you are their ally - they consider you an American Indian, and America is everything for them.
            1. Driver d
              Driver d 16 May 2020 19: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              dill, I probably think for their)))

              You will be our king!
    4. 210ox
      210ox 16 May 2020 10: 39 New
      +5
      Throwing cannot be built. I think that the fate of SP2 will not be the same as the fate of South Stream. And the comma will be correct. At least for the future.
      1. major147
        major147 16 May 2020 11: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        And the comma will be set correctly.

        Definitely! good
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 16 May 2020 10: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      that when making statements about the need for "SP-2" Germany itself tries to put obstacles.

      And what has the Hans to lose. OPAL zhezh transit. The burghers do not care that 5% of Polish gas will go there, which is purchased according to the "liquefy or pay" formula. Well, a simple European man in the street will pay an extra Eurobucks, so what? The main thing is that cheap electricity is constantly supplied to its giants. And here that extra heels of euros can become a headache. Mears write kilobucks for Pits, no one will buy.
      Ridiculously, a representative of a non-EU country praises Germany for "loyalty to the interests" of this union.

      This is yes. The European Union will appreciate it. "Wee eats to give the last embroidered shirt for the good of the European nation"
    6. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 May 2020 11: 25 New
      0
      Gene, welcome! hi
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As always, a "real" Ukrainian ran in and quietly disappeared. That's how they live - they shit, shit, shit ...

      There are doubts about the origin of the Skakuas: are they really not saucy ??? what
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 16 May 2020 11: 33 New
        +3
        Pasha, hello! hi Something I have not seen on the site for a long time.
        whether not arrogant Saxons ???
        A little analysis suggests that there is a frank agreement between the "true" and part of the so-called. "opposition", who in chorus and with pleasure try to "educate" those who, in their opinion, are too critical of them.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 May 2020 11: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: rotmistr60
          I haven’t seen something on the site for a long time

          So things are overwhelming ...
          Quote: rotmistr60
          too critical of them

          Everything is as always: it is possible for them to criticize and dictate their will to everyone. On the contrary - no way! Ushlopki ... negative
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 17 May 2020 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: rotmistr60
          frank agreement
          Are you talking about a preliminary conspiracy?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 16 May 2020 11: 40 New
        +2
        The "patchwork empire" project. Now successfully evolving into cavemen. Pasha hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 May 2020 11: 48 New
          +3
          Dima, hello to you! hi
          Quote: 210ox
          The "patchwork empire" project

          Well, well: no matter how much you fight, it will remain ... wink
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 May 2020 12: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Well, well: no matter how much you fight, you still will ...

            What weaved is what happened. Chintz was woven, but it turned out as always burlap.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 May 2020 12: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Chintz was woven, but it turned out as always burlap.

              If the hands are imprisoned under the genital organ - it is strange that in general something other than a hole turned out ...
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 May 2020 12: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        There are doubts about the origin of the Skakuas: are they really not saucy ???

        Most likely, Germanophiles.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 May 2020 12: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          germanophiles

          There is no doubt that the "philes"! wink
    7. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 May 2020 11: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As always, a "real" Ukrainian ran in and quietly disappeared. That's how they live - they shit, shit, shit ...

      The fact that “minuscators-anonymous” walk around the site (if not sharper) and users with a negative rating is the sole merit of the site administration. A kind of "kovtuny and koreby" in the new Internet installation.
      Apparently, such a process of “quiet deceiving” raises the number of visits to someone.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 May 2020 13: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        A kind of "kovtuny and koreby" in the new Internet installation.

        If they are available on TV, then they are also available on the Internet. Spread like cockroaches.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 May 2020 09: 41 New
    -9
    Whatever one may say, but the greatest benefit in this case is received ... by the Ukrainians. Well, of course, not counting the "persons especially close to the emperor" who are building SP2.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 May 2020 09: 43 New
    13
    First you need to START! The rest will come later. SP-1 is a little more than 100% full (58.5 billion cubic meters instead of 55!) ... time will tell. You need an item first. An unfinished pipeline is not even scrap metal. These are "blindly" written off losses. And not only Gazprom, but also the "Europeans" who invested in it ... While the Merikos Eagle is a little busy with its problems, it's time to finish building and launch it ... And then we'll see. laughing
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 May 2020 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And there it will be seen.

      This is always so - it will be seen there ... There, - where or when? But there is a more correct option - a gradual reduction in gas supply through the Ukrainian pipe in connection, for example, with the reconstruction of the system. That is, it is time to raise the question before the EU about the transfer of the flow into a new direction. They don’t want to, it’s not necessary to be particularly upset. We need to think about why production in Russia with "low prices" for energy is not beneficial to sponsors or to anyone else ...
  • Tusv
    Tusv 16 May 2020 09: 58 New
    +2
    S&P Global, meanwhile, reminds that Nord Stream-2 has a month to appeal.

    That's right. The companies Nord Stream-1 and Nord Stream-2 Fill Opal 50 with 50. All conditions are met. What could be the claim repeat
    But it seems to me that Nord Stream 2 is being built not only to fill Opal. But also on the refusal of the Germans from nuclear energy. And electricity doesn’t care. Winter is cold or warm. German TPPs will consume gas with an enviable appetite
  • gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 16 May 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    We lost a bit, but the game of geopolitics without beginning and end. How it still takes out no one knows. I do not believe in the consistency and long-termness in such games, everything is very situational, today it is, tomorrow it is.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 16 May 2020 10: 08 New
    +2
    I will say this, there will be this flow and there will be pipes through Ukraine (yes, I wrote about this even when everyone was saying that they would block it, they did not even block it, and they also paid fines) and elsewhere they will do it because the main goal of the enemies is to pump out resources from our country. under what conditions is the tenth case, you look there is no tendency to reduce the pumping out of resources from the country, there is no and everything And no evidence of sabotage is needed, this is just a fact Sale of the national treasure (Maybe temporarily, for the rise of the country, irreplaceable resources are sold and since we have this not temporarily) When it is over, we will be in ruins and on these ruins the greatest value will be vodka (natural end) Then the howl will be universal - but how is that! Current will be too late This is how to plow the children and grandchildren to raise the country without resources? Maybe even one of us will have to find this "hell"
    1. major147
      major147 16 May 2020 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: awdrgy
      the main goal of vrazhin to pump resources from our country

      And how "our American friends" are trying to prevent this from happening. repeat
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 16 May 2020 13: 02 New
        +2
        And how do they try? - in the words of ayyayay? So they do so in conjunction with the locals so that our people would think that they are against, but in fact, the pumping volumes are only growing (the coronavirus really has slowed down, but this is a separate story) Like "don't throw me into the thorn bush" Hence, by the way, and dissonance when on the news one thing, but in fact what you see around you-w-pa! And in general, what does the Americans have to do with it? -There is an international mafia And then you might think that really is an American farmer John who does not even know where Russia is involved in this (although if you chop off resource robbery, then of course he will find out, after all, he will be sent to take them away by force) Americans like ayyayy - "bad" Germans - "good" then - on the contrary Or before that? (It doesn't matter And the resource goes on) Then they will arrange a meeting if they change a bad cop for a good one and will continue to pump it out. That's all "What are the fascinating proofs? "Yes, I was taught from the first grade of school that selling the national treasure over the hill is the last thing, and for sure you are the same. Tell me simply, neither I personally nor you can change anything But why be mistaken ???
        1. major147
          major147 16 May 2020 14: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: awdrgy
          selling a national treasure for a hillock is the last thing

          Everyone sells what he has. If you do not sell today what is urgently needed today, then tomorrow no one will need it. An example of this is coal.
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 16 May 2020 14: 55 New
            0
            But the Stone Age didn’t end because the stone didn’t end, huh Can it also sell the territory? A profitable business (the population is dying out anyway) Suddenly, tomorrow it will not be so big? The logic is clear. In general, you can go very far. Very far.
            1. major147
              major147 16 May 2020 14: 58 New
              0
              Quote: awdrgy
              Very far

              Why did you forget about surrender!
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 16 May 2020 15: 03 New
                +1
                I think we understood each other. In the end, everyone has the right to their opinion and its presentation if this does not contradict the rules of the resource
                1. major147
                  major147 16 May 2020 15: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: awdrgy
                  I think we understood each other. In the end, everyone has the right to their opinion and its presentation if this does not contradict the rules of the resource

                  hi
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 16 May 2020 10: 10 New
    +2
    ... "the chairman of the Ukrainian government Denis Shmygal even congratulated Germany on making such a decision" ...
    Well, my God, what a performance in a circus without a clown!))
  • audigamma
    audigamma 16 May 2020 10: 10 New
    +2
    As said Lavrov DB !!!
  • Andrea
    Andrea 16 May 2020 10: 11 New
    +1
    Bubbles let all the masters. Well finish the pipe, well, the contract with Ukraine ends and you have to suck these bubbles back. In Poland, over, transit ends.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    and what prevents Russia, after the completion of sp2, to create a state-owned gas supply company, amend the law on the monopoly of Gazprom, and fill in the remaining 50 percent. in the pipeline, refusing transit through 4,5 through 404?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 16 May 2020 11: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander X
      create a state-owned gas supply company, amend the law on the monopoly of Gazprom, and fill in the remaining 50 percent. in the pipeline

      after the creation of such a company, the rest is not necessary, an auction is held to reserve capacities, this company buys these capacities and ... the EU standards are met - the pipe has one owner of gas for another - Tour. the flow through Bulgaria and further at auctions was bought by Gazprom, the Poles at the same auction have already bought the capacities of their gas pipeline ... there are other options ... wait and see ....
    2. major147
      major147 16 May 2020 12: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander X
      and what prevents Russia, after the completion of sp2, to create a state-owned gas supply company, amend the law on the monopoly of Gazprom, and fill in the remaining 50 percent. in the pipeline, refusing transit through 4,5 through 404?

      You can simply make an exception in our law for JV 2, and Gazprom will not buy gas from our own producing companies, but allow them to access the pipe.
  • prior
    prior 16 May 2020 10: 16 New
    0
    Trukhanul Gazprom to leave "shmygaliy" without transit and without gas, now it is paying off.
    Now these "sniffing" figs show us ....
    And the Americans held Germany, are holding and will hold tightly "by the personal belongings." And not only Germany.
    Isn’t that why they came to Europe in 1945?
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 16 May 2020 10: 26 New
    +2
    In vain, some in Ukraine danced with joy in a wild hapak!
    This is politics, the main thing now is a lot of things being declared, if only they would not interfere with the construction of the pipe, and there the German business will stifle its politicians so that they adopt the correct laws and certainly the Germans will not be interested in whether their solution will cause the problem in Ukraine or not, their own shirt closer to the body.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 16 May 2020 10: 27 New
    +4
    The problem with JV-2 is not Gazprom's desire to lose its monopoly. "Gazprom can give access to JV-2 to other Russian companies - for example, Rosneft and Novatek." Jointly independent Russian suppliers could provide the second 50% of the gas pipeline filling, formally fulfilling the EU requirements. the Russian natural gas, which they are now forced to sell to Gazprom. Of course, in this case, it will lose its monopoly, but the domestic gas industry will only benefit from such a reform. "
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 16 May 2020 10: 32 New
    +2
    ... "If Europe is so concerned about competition, then it should extend its gas directive to the American marine LNG carriers transporting LNG to Europe. In turn, this means that the tanks of tankers should be filled by 50% with gas from" alternative suppliers ".. ...
    Great banter, respect to the author, really smiled.
    Although .... in every joke there is a fraction of a joke!
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 16 May 2020 10: 46 New
    +1
    European trade rules are composed in the USA. Very cute. It is high time for the Germans to leave the EU. You just need to come up with a fashionable slogan for this business, well, something like - "Stop feeding EVERYONE !! 1".
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 May 2020 11: 48 New
    +1
    They create rules, directives, then they were successfully circumvented / pushed back when they were adult. There are enough precedents.
    While industrial production is standing, consumption is minimal, you can play solidarity in euros !!! And then??? but who knows what will happen next.
    Wait and see.
    Although, plans must be built taking into account the worst circumstances, Do not split the sponges as it is being heated !!!
  • iouris
    iouris 16 May 2020 11: 49 New
    0
    As much as a half-article about some Shmigal.
  • naburkin
    naburkin 16 May 2020 11: 50 New
    +1
    Hmm. I wonder what will prevent Gazprom from selling part of the gas to the same NOVOTEK and pumping 50% of the gas through the pipe, like NOVOTEK? Paper will endure everything.
    1. NKT
      NKT 16 May 2020 20: 04 New
      0
      It is not the owner of the gas, but the pipe. For some reason, our government does not want to create a separate gas transportation company, as it did for oil, by creating Transneft.
  • cniza
    cniza 16 May 2020 12: 01 New
    +2
    Recall that the EU’s “gas directive” prescribes to reserve 50% of gas pipeline capacities to ensure “competitiveness”.


    The gas pipeline will be built, just in time for the cold weather and the restoration of industry, and then the moment of truth will come ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 16 May 2020 13: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      The gas pipeline will be built, just in time for the cold weather and the restoration of industry, and then the moment of truth will come ...

      Maybe even earlier - in May gas transit through Poland ceases and only short-term contracts are in effect. Let’s see how the Germans will compensate for shortages of gas (about 16 billion), and then it will become clear how they will fight for SP-1 and SP-2.
      [media=https://yandex.ru/efir?stream_id=4b3b0a2742d37160854b5497700a5102&from_block=logo_partner_player]
      1. cniza
        cniza 16 May 2020 16: 23 New
        +2
        Well, as long as they have decent reserves, they will still hold out, but the "democratic" gas will then bite ...
  • Radius
    Radius 16 May 2020 12: 05 New
    +1
    Again, Germany caved in (gears). Of course, with each such restriction, our gas becomes more expensive for them, but not to the extent that anyone else can compete with it. Only the reaction of Independent is incomprehensible: with what congratulated you? Do you understand yourself?
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 16 May 2020 12: 18 New
    -1
    before being built, where will she go, nichrome has already been bucked up, and the Ukrainians will finally say goodbye once again to "unwashed Rashka", they themselves probably heat water with a boiler in a bucket ... to wash their ass laughing
  • pytar
    pytar 16 May 2020 12: 37 New
    0
    Of course, they welcomed the decision of the FRG authorities in the USA. But what about the very directive regarding American energy suppliers? If Europe cares so much about competition, then it’s worth extending its gas directive to American marine gas carriers transporting LNG to Europe. In turn, this means that tanker capacities should be filled with 50% of the gas of “alternative suppliers” - for example, LNG from Russia ... Or are they “undemocratic” to extend their EU directives to US gas carriers?

    Here the author is cunning !!! Gas carriers do not belong American companies producing gas! Everyone can hire them to transport their gas!
    1. pytar
      pytar 16 May 2020 12: 41 New
      +1
      Here is the opinion of the famous Russian gas specialist, Mikhail Krutikhin! You can not agree with him, but you should listen to the ego! hi
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 17 May 2020 12: 59 New
        0
        Mr. Krutikhin keeps us all for fools who are not able to find anything in the network. Throughout his speech, he led us to the fact that the Nord Stream was conceived to punish Ukraine and drank the budget by Putin's friends. But the preparation for the construction began in 97, Yeltsin was at the helm, two more years before the famous "I'm tired", gas went through the pipeline in 2012, even more than a year before the Maidan. Why lie then?
        He also says that for Germany this is a freebie, but Gazprom has only 51%, the rest is foreign, including and German corporations. Where is there a freebie?
        After such an impudent manipulation, you start to think, but in general did he even say a word of truth?
        It seems that Mr. Krutikhin, along with a journalist, is fulfilling someone’s order.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 16 May 2020 13: 01 New
    0
    They decided so now, and when it is completed and the gas goes into the pipe, completely different conversations will begin. And now, yes, they do not want to annoy the overseas lord once again, and even the visor once in trade with Gazprom will never hurt.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 16 May 2020 13: 09 New
    +1
    Principle: you can do everything with your own, the rest according to the law; In action.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 16 May 2020 13: 28 New
    0
    Or to distribute its directives in the EU to American gas carriers "undemocratic"?
    Who would doubt that.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 16 May 2020 15: 32 New
    +1
    Nobody wants to feed Ukraine.
  • Kamikadze19
    Kamikadze19 16 May 2020 16: 24 New
    0
    Nothing to panic about. Dust in the eyes. When the need will be resolved. On the other hand, Gazprom can organize some kind of daughter and fill the pipe.
  • veritas
    veritas 16 May 2020 16: 59 New
    +4
    If the Germans were an independent state, no problems would arise.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 16 May 2020 20: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    I wonder will submission be respected the requirements of the so-called EU Gas Directive in which the gas pipe from the country of the gas producer should not be more than 50%, regarding the Polish single pipeline with gas supplies from only one - Norway?

    It should be noted that Poland has also gathered and is planning to build a single-line underwater gas pipeline from Norway to Poland through Denmark. At the same time, gas through the Polish gas pipeline will also come from only one gas producing country - from Norway. As is the case with Russia.

    Let me remind you. Gas in "SP-2" will come only from a producer from one country - Russia, since no other gas pipelines from other countries have been built to the "SP-2" gas pipeline and it seems that their construction is not even planned.

    Thus, the extension of the EU "gas directive" under US pressure to similar single-line gas pipelines between countries, provided that these gas pipelines should contain no more than 50% of gas from one producer country, [/ b] leads to technical absurdity and significantly reduces the profitability of such projects.

    I think that a sudden accident at the Ukrainian transit gas pipeline will make all restrictions an empty gap.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 16 May 2020 20: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Kamikadze19
    Nothing to panic about. Dust in the eyes. When the need will be resolved. On the other hand, Gazprom can organize some kind of daughter and fill the pipe.

    Yes, for example, in Kazakhstan. And put Kazakh gas into the pipe through the "reverse".
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 16 May 2020 20: 10 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Here is the opinion of the famous Russian gas specialist, Mikhail Krutikhin! You can not agree with him, but you should listen to the ego! hi

    You need to have your own opinion, and listening to diots is an activity for you.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 16 May 2020 20: 13 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Of course, they welcomed the decision of the FRG authorities in the USA. But what about the very directive regarding American energy suppliers? If Europe cares so much about competition, then it’s worth extending its gas directive to American marine gas carriers transporting LNG to Europe. In turn, this means that tanker capacities should be filled with 50% of the gas of “alternative suppliers” - for example, LNG from Russia ... Or are they “undemocratic” to extend their EU directives to US gas carriers?

    Here the author is cunning !!! Gas carriers do not belong American companies producing gas! Everyone can hire them to transport their gas!

    And what, sanctions will not stick to the Bolivian (for example)? If you imagine that such an order will be applied to anyone, then the meaning in it will disappear. Everyone will again be on equal footing.
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 16 May 2020 23: 47 New
    0
    In an extreme case, a "laying" company will be created and will take the missing volume of Gazprom's gas through the long-tested territories of Absurdistan by the method - pumped through the Republic of Belarus and called Belarusian gas. But most likely Germany will just sneeze once again on "European solidarity" and remind that this concept was bought for German money, and therefore it is necessary to play German music.
  • Arkon
    Arkon 17 May 2020 09: 31 New
    0
    It’s not at all important what they accept there. In geopolitics, potential is always more important than current benefits. And SP-2 is geopolitics.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 May 2020 15: 12 New
    0
    Democracy for the people. The question is what?