Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

15 May 2020 65

The incident in the Kerch Strait in November 2018, when Russian border guards detained two combat boats and a Navy tugboat, occurred due to the fault of Ukraine, a conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensics under the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine. It is reported by "Strana.ua".

According to experts, the incident led to a violation by the Ukrainian side of a number of standards and the procedure for the execution of documents of combat control.

Ships were sent by the commander of the Naval Command and the head of the Navy without receiving a directive, order, or combat order from the high headquarters. In addition, the order of execution of combat control documents was also violated. (...) the direction of warships in the Kerch Strait was agreed not in the order of the general strategy, but by a certain volitional act of the military leadership

- says the report.

It is noted that the campaign of the ships was undertaken after the "oral instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC. The order to send the ships was perceived by the command of the Navy as an order and led to "grave consequences".

The instructions of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine ... led to grave consequences, namely the captivity of the military and putting the ships in a state of fire

- indicated in the document.

In addition, the command of the Ukrainian Navy is blamed on the lack of assessment of the actions of the Russian side and the weakening of Ukraine’s defense in the Black Sea direction. That is, sending ships to the Sea of Azov, the command did not take into account that Russian border guards could detain them due to violations, and relocation would weaken the defense capability of Ukraine in the Black Sea.

Any foreign state that had territorial claims against Ukraine could gain advantages in offensive actions against Ukraine

- experts said.

The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.

Information

Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.

Alexga

-12

15 May 2020 10: 29

Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

So what? The horse understood that Ukraine was guilty. Why this information? Here on the VO?
1. The popuas
  
  +8
  
  15 May 2020 10: 40
  
  The main thing is, a volitional act, an oral order of Petro Poroshenko ...
  1. Insurgent
    
    +25
    
    15 May 2020 11: 11
    
    Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident
    
    "Kiev experts", yet to confirm and confirm guilt for war crimes of the gangs of "Independent" ...
    
    15.05.2020
    
    The Ukrainian military personnel of the hundred and twenty-eighth brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a gloomy provocation.
    
    It is noted that a peaceful resident of the territory controlled by Kiev was chosen as the victim.
    
    This is, according to the press service of the NM, about A. Kryazheva Born in 1985, which needed to enter the territory of the DPR.
    
    The soldiers suggested that the woman take her for money through the demarcation line outside the established crossing points in the Novotroitsky district in the south of Donbass.
    
    “However, these plans failed to come true - at 16.40 pm on May 14, while still moving along Ukrainian positions, a civilian stepped on an anti-personnel mine PMN-2 installed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and received leg injuries. - they say in NM, - Instead of evacuating a woman who was injured through their fault and providing her with medical assistance, Ukrainian fighters arranged a photo shoot with her, trying to imagine her as a detained violator of the border. At the same time, openly mocking the victim - blindfolded her, and treating the place of the torn foot with a dirty rag. The only thing they did was give water, and even then in a five-liter canister. ”
    
    The soldiers immediately handed over the frames of their photo shoot to familiar journalists, who published them in the media, and eventually brought the woman to Volnovakha.
    
    In abbreviationcompletely:
    
    https://donbasstoday.ru/vsu-utroili-fotosessiju-s-otpravlennoj-v-dnr-vzorvannoj-zhenshhinoj/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews
    1. Xnumx vis
      
      +9
      
      15 May 2020 11: 30
      
      Quote: Insurgent
      Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident
      
      "Kiev experts", yet to confirm and confirm guilt for war crimes of the gangs of "Independent" ...
      
      15.05.2020
      
      The Ukrainian military personnel of the hundred and twenty-eighth brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a gloomy provocation.
      
      It is noted that a peaceful resident of the territory controlled by Kiev was chosen as the victim.
      
      This is, according to the press service of the NM, about A. Kryazheva Born in 1985, which needed to enter the territory of the DPR.
      
      The soldiers suggested that the woman take her for money through the demarcation line outside the established crossing points in the Novotroitsky district in the south of Donbass.
      
      “However, these plans failed to come true - at 16.40 pm on May 14, while still moving along Ukrainian positions, a civilian stepped on an anti-personnel mine PMN-2 installed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and received leg injuries. - they say in NM, - Instead of evacuating a woman who was injured through their fault and providing her with medical assistance, Ukrainian fighters arranged a photo shoot with her, trying to imagine her as a detained violator of the border. At the same time, openly mocking the victim - blindfolded her, and treating the place of the torn foot with a dirty rag. The only thing they did was give water, and even then in a five-liter canister. ”
      
      The soldiers immediately handed over the frames of their photo shoot to familiar journalists, who published them in the media, and eventually brought the woman to Volnovakha.
      
      In abbreviationcompletely:
      
      https://donbasstoday.ru/vsu-utroili-fotosessiju-s-otpravlennoj-v-dnr-vzorvannoj-zhenshhinoj/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews
      
      Moral! Geeks ... Damn .... moderators will be banned !! To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness ... Bastards!
      1. Tatyana
        
        +15
        
        15 May 2020 11: 43
        
        These VSUshniks - marauders and degenerates of the human race, - for sure, they also ripped off the money from the victim for their "service" to her in advance.
      2. AllBiBek
        
        +11
        
        15 May 2020 12: 03
        
        Well, what did you want?
        No matter how they try to make at least some kind of army, the output is one fig, if not a division of SS "Galicia", then a battalion "Nachtigall". Direct tracing paper for all qualities.
        The place is like that.
      3. tihonmarine
        
        +6
        
        15 May 2020 14: 59
        
        Quote: 30 vis
        To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness.
        
        That's why they are Banderaites, Petliurists, Gaidamaks, and other miscellaneous rubbish that crawled back in 1917, and still have not exterminated it.
        
        Diver-SP
        
        +3
        
        15 May 2020 15: 07
        
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: 30 vis
        To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness.
        
        That's why they are Banderaites, Petliurists, Gaidamaks, and other miscellaneous rubbish that crawled back in 1917, and still have not exterminated it.
        
        That's right .. Vlad! Now they have exposed themselves in all their glory ..
        Good was nevertheless comrade Stalin! And even kinder Khrushchev in an embroidered shirt ... He released everything and gave them Crimea as he knew that he had planted the bomb, so he took revenge on Stalin ...
        Well, nothing, the time of History will dispel all this garbage on the grave of the USSR and Stalin!
        The shackles will collapse and the star of captivating happiness will again rise in Russia and around the world!
    2. poquello
      
      -11
      
      15 May 2020 12: 52
      
      Quote: Insurgent
      Ukrainian fighters staged a photo shoot with her,
      
      where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo
      1. Insurgent
        
        +5
        
        15 May 2020 12: 57
        
        Quote: poquello
        where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo
        
        Do you need a photo session, or is it necessary for something else? And what is so "doubtful" in this photo?
        It, by the way, is available not only through this link, but also published on the site "Russian Spring" - https://rusvesna.su/news/1589525289
        
        poquello
        
        -13
        
        15 May 2020 13: 12
        
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: poquello
        where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo
        
        Do you need a photo session, or is it necessary for something else? And what is so "doubtful" in this photo?
        It, by the way, is available not only through this link, but also published on the site "Russian Spring" - https://rusvesna.su/news/1589525289
        
        I don’t care where they published it, this single photo is very similar to a session with a mannequin
    3. savment
      
      +1
      
      16 May 2020 21: 20
      
      I’m shocked how this is possible. A woman’s foot, a broken leg, fragmentation wounds are already torn off. B ...... I just can’t write obscenities. It’s good if she has a state of shock, and if not, there are such pains. Animals.
  2. barclay
    
    +4
    
    15 May 2020 11: 17
    
    A heap of legal verbiage covers up a banal mess both in the top leadership of the country and in the command and control of troops. At one "perfect moment" it can play a cruel joke against a handful of idiots and thugs who have gone too far and played in Nazism. They may end up with a disarming response. In the meantime, they are drawing low-quality cartoons, how their Neptune cruise missiles shoot the Crimean bridge ...
  3. avg
    
    +3
    
    15 May 2020 13: 15
    
    The conclusion of the commission could be made shorter - all the authorities covered up well ... and sent the sailors directly into captivity to replace Nadya S., sing "has not yet died" and evoke sympathy from "all civilized mankind."
    sending ships to the Sea of Azov, the command did not take into account that Russian border guards could delay them due to violations, and relocation would weaken the defense capability of Ukraine in the Black Sea.
    But this conclusion directly touched. Most of all, the PFU was weakened by the treacherous sending of the tugboat Yana Kapu, and the quilted jackets got the most super-war secrets. Yes, and the border guards command did not take into account ..
  4. Lelek
    
    +1
    
    15 May 2020 13: 48
    
    Quote: Popuas
    The main thing is, a volitional act, an oral order of Petro Poroshenko ...
    
    It seems that Mr. Sam gave the command to "throw the bone" on the scales of Waltzman in connection with his (and Tymoshenko's) statement in the media about the external (read American) control of the former Ukraine, which is impermissible for a vassal.
2. revnagan
  
  -31
  
  15 May 2020 11: 14
  
  Initially, an incorrectly titled article misleads inexperienced readers, and a prematurely joyful one is heard: "Aha, aha! We said, the horse is clear, Ukraine is to blame!" Of course, this may have been done out of thought, but most likely, a "clever" propaganda A trick with the use of demagoguery. The fault lies with those who gave the order to the sailors in such a criminal way. And only. And these members of the pig gang are guilty only before the Laws of Ukraine. Legally, the Ukrainian floating assets Russia seized, violating the international Laws according to which the Ukrainian ships. funds went to their base in their own territorial waters. The Crimea is still legally the territory of Ukraine, and this is a fact. And Russia is not the first time to pirate, seizing someone else's property with the use of brute force (drilling platforms "Petr Godovanets", "Ukraine").
  1. The leader of the Redskins
    
    -10
    
    15 May 2020 11: 29
    
    Speak the truth!
    Specifically switched to "strana.ua". Text in Russian. As I understood from an extensive article, the experts recognized the inexpediency of transporting two armored boats and a tug by sea at that moment. That's all. And now, on VO, a certain anonymous HYIP headline gave us the ultimate authority.
    It is unfortunate that the site is turning into a center for redirecting readers to double-check articles!
    1. Insurgent
      
      +4
      
      15 May 2020 17: 09
      
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Speak the truth!
      Specifically switched to "strana.ua". Text in Russian. As I understood from an extensive article, the experts recognized the inexpediency of transporting two armored boats and a tug by sea at that moment. That's all.
      
      No, not all.
      
      All the same country.ua says otherwise:
  2. st2st
    
    +11
    
    15 May 2020 11: 59
    
    Alexey, victorae non arbitrare, winners are not judged. I don’t know whether it’s true or false (laziness in the search engine), but this statement is attributed to Catherine the Great. Ukraine, as a subject of international law, has lost its statehood as a result of a state, armed, anti-constitutional coup. And therefore, de jure, is not a state. Putin made a huge mistake recognizing Poroshenko, and, accordingly, Ukraine, as a country. Three scows arrived, without Russian pilots, Mor patrolmen. parts of the border troops of the FSB of Russia, reacted instantly. Here, without options, the pelvis sent for the slaughter are guilty, or rather, their pelvis, captains
3. Vasyan1971
  
  +7
  
  15 May 2020 11: 29
  
  Quote: AlexGa
  The horse understood that Ukraine was guilty. Why this information?
  
  The horse may be understandable, but not so much for the sons ...
4. poquello
  
  -1
  
  15 May 2020 12: 58
  
  just then, for the sake of internal struggle, we decided to obey
Don karleone

+5

15 May 2020 10: 29

Are you kidding!!!!
1. Evdokim
  
  +6
  
  15 May 2020 10: 54
  
  Quote: Don Karleone
  Are you kidding!!!!
  
  Really, in fact,
  Finally sobered up.
  No, they want to hang all the dogs on Pietha, such as self-made men.
Andrei Nikolaevich

+7

15 May 2020 10: 30

The commander of the Navy perceives everything, as an order, What do you want from a tankman from the village, Babui,? ..
AUL

+3

15 May 2020 10: 31

And what legal conclusions do these experts have? If Ukraine’s guilt is officially recognized, they will have to apologize to Russia!
1. New Year day
  
  +3
  
  15 May 2020 10: 45
  
  Quote from AUL
  And what legal conclusions do these experts have?
  
  answer
  The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.
  
  Quote from AUL
  they will have to apologize to Russia!
  
  it will not happen.
  Clarification of personal relationships and no more
2. alexmach
  
  +2
  
  15 May 2020 11: 49
  
  they will have to apologize to Russia
  
  Yes, they will never apologize. They will write out a pill to the commander of the Navy for the fact that he didn’t put all the papers, and they’ll roll the barrel on Petya as much as they can. Apologies Well, I doubt it very much. Investigation is a product for internal use.
Well done

+2

15 May 2020 10: 35

They hung up on Poroshenko, but he doesn't care! And not such "incidents" got away with him. How many criminal cases are there against him? ten? 10? And he eats hanku, smiles and enjoys life.
rotmistr60

+1

15 May 2020 10: 36

Well, at least I had the courage to confirm the obvious. Another thing is interesting: the supreme gives oral an order zealous to run is fulfilled, but is the responsibility of these persons before the law provided? Silence ... Or first you need to return the toilet?
knn54

+2

15 May 2020 10: 41

Poroshenko also verbally indicated "Someone".
Pvi1206

0

15 May 2020 10: 44

The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.

there would be a man, but there is an article ...
The comment was deleted.
svp67

+1

15 May 2020 11: 05

This conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Science under the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine.
Wonderful are thy deeds ...
It is noted that the cruise of the ships was undertaken after the "verbal instructions" of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC.
And nothing that the President is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and any of his "instructions", in any form, it was not given for the lower military commanders and chiefs is an ORDER. So, here Poroshenko's guilt is already traced, who could not but understand the consequences of such "instructions"
1. seregatara1969
  
  +1
  
  15 May 2020 17: 15
  
  An incorrectly issued order and the wrong passage of ships are two different vegetable gardens. Only the wrong order was recognized. Wrong passage is not even discussed. A play on words to the public
Procyon lotor

-14

15 May 2020 11: 14

It is not clear how internal problems in Ukraine, such as violation of a number of standards and the order of execution of combat control documents, cancel the fact that in the Kerch incident Russia violated all possible and not possible international and interstate agreements. For example, according to the law of the sea, an attack or seizure will be allowed only if the enemy’s ships perform hostile acts, and not only for violation of territorial waters. This is confirmed by the decision of the international arbitration court (https://www.itlos.org/cases/list-of-cases/case-no-26/)
1. siemens7774
  
  +7
  
  15 May 2020 14: 09
  
  The International Arbitration Court does not have the right to consider border and military incidents. Only civil suits and incidents. The United States and Russia signed a contract only for civil incidents.
  1. Red Dragon
    
    -1
    
    16 May 2020 00: 27
    
    If it does not, Russia may not comply with the decision of the International Maritime Tribunal. But she, in fact, fulfilled it. Questions to the Russian authorities, why did they do it?
    1. siemens7774
      
      +1
      
      16 May 2020 20: 45
      
      In such cases, agreements are made behind the scenes. Russia got its interests in this case. Therefore, the ships have not been given away for so long.
      1. Red Dragon
        
        0
        
        16 May 2020 20: 53
        
        Anything can be justified behind the scenes. They didn't give Arctic Sunrise for a long time either, then they did it and the fine was paid. But it's your right to believe. As in the movie Beware of the Car, the presence or absence of behind-the-scenes agreements is almost always unprovable.
        
        siemens7774
        
        +1
        
        16 May 2020 21: 55
        
        You are again trying to mix civil with a border incident.
        
        Red Dragon
        
        0
        
        16 May 2020 22: 25
        
        Dear siemens7774. I'm not trying to mix anything. There is a decision of the tribunal, it is available, anyone can get acquainted with it. And there is its actual implementation, although before its adoption by the tribunal, the Russian authorities proclaimed slightly different actions. Occam's razor, no more.
        
        siemens7774
        
        +1
        
        16 May 2020 22: 35
        
        The decision of the tribunal for the Kerch incident is not valid. Therefore, Russia sent them to hell. The decision of the tribunal for some reason very much affected the minds of people who are ignorant in laws and liberals. And especially on representatives of the Navalny movement and adherents of the West. I very often encounter this and are not surprised Your comment. Here on VO a very long time ago this topic has been sorted by stones.
        
        Red Dragon
        
        0
        
        16 May 2020 22: 45
        
        Okay, this argument is endless, I see. You think that Russia has sent someone somewhere, but I see its actual implementation: the sailors are free, the ships are transferred to Ukraine. At VO you can take apart anything you like, I’m not sure that 19 out of 20 judges who voted for this decision read VO. Their position matters, but mine and yours do not. Therefore, I propose to end the discussion, nothing, I think, we can not prove to each other. Good luck to you.
        
        siemens7774
        
        +1
        
        16 May 2020 22: 49
        
        And good luck to you. I’m just very surprised how this so-called tribunal was substituted and the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Kremlin had every reason to have them in court and for a very large amount.
Vasyan1971

+1

15 May 2020 11: 21

Any foreign state that had territorial claims against Ukraine could gain advantages in offensive actions against Ukraine

Kaneshna! Nenka would have saved a rotten tug, and two boxes of grenades on leaky "armored boats"! In addition, the only "foreign state that had territorial claims to Ukraine" (guess three times: which one?) Does not really need it.
In short, be that as it may, but the bullet almost whistled at the temple!
Uma palata

+3

15 May 2020 11: 51

Hm. Interesting.
And how is the LEGAL assessment given in the EXPERTISE?
Things are mutually exclusive.
Well, okay, maybe in Europe it's okay.
But, excuse me, what kind of "captivity of the military personnel of Ukraine" is it talking about in the Kiev document?
The status of prisoners of war refers to combatants during military operations during the WAR. Ukraine declared war on us ?!
Durelomas on the shuttles were not prisoners, but DETAINED as violators of the laws of the Russian Federation. And arrested, preventive measure arrest.
Under Soviet rule, there were very competent lawyers and experts in Kiev. Are they all moved to the Poles on the farm to collect strawberries?
One thing is pleasing - glimpses of objectivity and reason through the darkness of legal inaccuracies.
morpogr

+1

15 May 2020 11: 52

Apparently this conclusion is preparation for the arrest of Poroshenko. Maybe even so Zelensky will correct his rating and fulfill at least one of his campaign promises.
1. orionvitt
  
  +2
  
  15 May 2020 12: 34
  
  Quote: morpogr
  conclusion preparation for the arrest of Poroshenko.
  and fulfill at least one of his campaign promises
  Rather, the sun will go out, or the moon will fall to the earth, than Zelensky will plant Poroshenko.
  1. Cat
    
    +1
    
    15 May 2020 12: 58
    
    Zelensky will plant Poroshenko
    
    And who will ask him? If the regional committee orders it, it’s right, it’s not going anywhere
    1. orionvitt
      
      +1
      
      15 May 2020 13: 04
      
      In general, yes, they are only consumables for the "regional committee". But if Poroshenko is imprisoned, then a natural question arises about the legality of the Maidan. And this topic will not be raised in Ukraine. Because this is the basis of the current Ukrainian ideology.
Diver-SP

+2

15 May 2020 11: 59

occurred through the fault of Ukraine, this conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Science under the Ministry of Justice

What is there to explore, and so everything is clear .. Pure provocation and paid to see these "admirals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on boats" .. To piss off Russia! This is the order of the State Department!
cniza

+2

15 May 2020 12: 19

It is noted that the campaign of the ships was undertaken after the "oral instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC. The order to send the ships was perceived by the command of the Navy as an order and led to "grave consequences".

What is the matter with them? So another criminal case will be opened ...
orionvitt

0

15 May 2020 12: 32

relocation will weaken the defense of Ukraine in the Black Sea
Of course, two armored vehicles, the crew of which is always ready to surrender heroically without firing a shot, greatly strengthen the defenses of Ukraine. And not somewhere, but on the whole Black Sea.
APASUS

0

15 May 2020 12: 59

I can’t understand only why Ukraine received its ships back? In fact, judging by the fact, they are a tool, when illegally crossing the border, they must be seized and destroyed
1. Red Dragon
  
  -3
  
  15 May 2020 14: 51
  
  So it was the decision of the Maritime Tribunal to surrender. Russia fulfilled it, why are you surprised?
  1. APASUS
    
    +4
    
    15 May 2020 17: 42
    
    Quote: Red Dragon
    So it was the decision of the Maritime Tribunal to surrender. Russia fulfilled it, why are you surprised?
    
    Since when has the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea been examining the cases of military courts and teams that violated the borders of another state?
    1. Red Dragon
      
      -3
      
      15 May 2020 20: 33
      
      The International Maritime Tribunal has decided on this occasion. There were freed ships and sailors. If you have questions about the motivation, you can contact there and clarify. Russia completed it, the rest is not important.
AB

0

15 May 2020 13: 52

the cruise of ships was undertaken after the "verbal instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko

Ha ha ha Let them even say that against Petit, another criminal case was opened. In Ukraine, brains are turned on when they know that they won’t be anything for it.
Lord of the Sith

+2

15 May 2020 15: 07

Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

Tse zrada and ganba))
seregatara1969

+1

15 May 2020 17: 09

Admitted guilt but not that! They did not recognize the violation of the passage of ships, but merely gave the wrong order about the arrival of these same ships. A play on words, nothing more.
The comment was deleted.
iouris

-1

15 May 2020 22: 31

... but the toilet must be returned!
Evil 55

+1

16 May 2020 04: 36

In the framework of the criminal case, according to the established tradition, don Pedro is to blame in any case .. And as a commander-in-chief, and as a person who stubbornly earns a lot of money from the troubles of UKRAINE ..
Viktor Sergeev

0

16 May 2020 06: 34

Either cry, or laugh. What experts are such and conclusions. The error is that a piece of paper was not made up? It is necessary to undermine the power of the country, lost as many as 3 boats. Fighting with each other, they turn Ukraine into Quarter 95.
Alexander Barinov

+1

16 May 2020 20: 43

There is no more Ukraine, there is Ukraine * and its ethnos - the feeding up of the Bolsheviks and Zionists.
1. siemens7774
  
  +1
  
  17 May 2020 12: 41
  
  First of all, this is a product of the headquarters of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany since 1900. Why did the Bolsheviks continue this, already a mystery
Metallurg_2

+1

17 May 2020 11: 57

Now these experts will be brought to the "Peacemaker".