Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

The incident in the Kerch Strait in November 2018, when Russian border guards detained two combat boats and a Navy tugboat, occurred due to the fault of Ukraine, a conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensics under the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine. It is reported by "Strana.ua".


According to experts, the incident led to a violation by the Ukrainian side of a number of standards and the procedure for the execution of documents of combat control.

Ships were sent by the commander of the Naval Command and the head of the Navy without receiving a directive, order, or combat order from the high headquarters. In addition, the order of execution of combat control documents was also violated. (...) the direction of warships in the Kerch Strait was agreed not in the order of the general strategy, but by a certain volitional act of the military leadership

- says the report.

It is noted that the campaign of the ships was undertaken after the "oral instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC. The order to send the ships was perceived by the command of the Navy as an order and led to "grave consequences".

The instructions of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine ... led to grave consequences, namely the captivity of the military and putting the ships in a state of fire

- indicated in the document.

In addition, the command of the Ukrainian Navy is blamed on the lack of assessment of the actions of the Russian side and the weakening of Ukraine’s defense in the Black Sea direction. That is, sending ships to the Sea of ​​Azov, the command did not take into account that Russian border guards could detain them due to violations, and relocation would weaken the defense capability of Ukraine in the Black Sea.

Any foreign state that had territorial claims against Ukraine could gain advantages in offensive actions against Ukraine

- experts said.

The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.
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  1. Alexga 15 May 2020 10: 29 New
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    Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

    So what? The horse understood that Ukraine was guilty. Why this information? Here on the VO?
    1. The popuas 15 May 2020 10: 40 New
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      The main thing is, a volitional act, an oral order of Petro Poroshenko ... wassat
      1. Insurgent 15 May 2020 11: 11 New
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        Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

        "Kiev experts", yet to confirm and confirm the guilt for war crimes gangs "independent" ...




        15.05.2020

        The Ukrainian military personnel of the hundred and twenty-eighth brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a gloomy provocation.

        It is noted that a peaceful resident of the territory controlled by Kiev was chosen as the victim.

        This is, according to the press service of the NM, about A. Kryazheva Born in 1985, which needed to enter the territory of the DPR.



        The soldiers suggested that the woman take her for money through the demarcation line outside the established crossing points in the Novotroitsky district in the south of Donbass.

        “However, these plans failed to come true - at 16.40 pm on May 14, while still moving along Ukrainian positions, a civilian stepped on an anti-personnel mine PMN-2 installed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and received leg injuries. - they say in NM, - Instead of evacuating a woman who was injured through their fault and providing her with medical assistance, Ukrainian fighters arranged a photo shoot with her, trying to imagine her as a detained violator of the border. At the same time, openly mocking the victim - blindfolded her, and treating the place of the torn foot with a dirty rag. The only thing they did was give water, and even then in a five-liter canister. ”


        The soldiers immediately handed over the frames of their photo shoot to familiar journalists, who published them in the media, and eventually brought the woman to Volnovakha.

        In abbreviationcompletely:

        https://donbasstoday.ru/vsu-utroili-fotosessiju-s-otpravlennoj-v-dnr-vzorvannoj-zhenshhinoj/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews
        1. Xnumx vis 15 May 2020 11: 30 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

          "Kiev experts", yet to confirm and confirm the guilt for war crimes gangs "independent" ...




          15.05.2020

          The Ukrainian military personnel of the hundred and twenty-eighth brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a gloomy provocation.

          It is noted that a peaceful resident of the territory controlled by Kiev was chosen as the victim.

          This is, according to the press service of the NM, about A. Kryazheva Born in 1985, which needed to enter the territory of the DPR.



          The soldiers suggested that the woman take her for money through the demarcation line outside the established crossing points in the Novotroitsky district in the south of Donbass.

          “However, these plans failed to come true - at 16.40 pm on May 14, while still moving along Ukrainian positions, a civilian stepped on an anti-personnel mine PMN-2 installed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and received leg injuries. - they say in NM, - Instead of evacuating a woman who was injured through their fault and providing her with medical assistance, Ukrainian fighters arranged a photo shoot with her, trying to imagine her as a detained violator of the border. At the same time, openly mocking the victim - blindfolded her, and treating the place of the torn foot with a dirty rag. The only thing they did was give water, and even then in a five-liter canister. ”


          The soldiers immediately handed over the frames of their photo shoot to familiar journalists, who published them in the media, and eventually brought the woman to Volnovakha.

          In abbreviationcompletely:

          https://donbasstoday.ru/vsu-utroili-fotosessiju-s-otpravlennoj-v-dnr-vzorvannoj-zhenshhinoj/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ua%2Fnews

          Moral! Geeks ... Damn .... moderators will be banned !! To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness ... Bastards!
          1. Tatyana 15 May 2020 11: 43 New
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            These Armed Forces of Ukraine - marauders and degenerates of the human race - must have been stripped from her victim for her “service" and her money was advanced.
          2. AllBiBek 15 May 2020 12: 03 New
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            Well, what did you want?
            No matter how hard they try to make at least some army, the output of one FIG is obtained if not the SS division "Galicia", so the Nahtigal battalion. Direct tracing paper for all qualities.
            The place is like that.
          3. tihonmarine 15 May 2020 14: 59 New
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            Quote: 30 vis
            To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness.

            That's why they are Banderaites, Petliurists, Gaidamaks, and other miscellaneous rubbish that crawled back in 1917, and still have not exterminated it.
            1. Diver-SP 15 May 2020 15: 07 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: 30 vis
              To scoff at a young woman .. this is below the most vile baseness.

              That's why they are Banderaites, Petliurists, Gaidamaks, and other miscellaneous rubbish that crawled back in 1917, and still have not exterminated it.

              That's right .. Vlad! Now they have exposed themselves in all their glory ..
              Good was nevertheless comrade Stalin! And even kinder Khrushchev in an embroidered shirt ... He released everything and gave them Crimea as he knew that he had planted the bomb, so he took revenge on Stalin ... negative
              Well, nothing, the time of History will dispel all this garbage on the grave of the USSR and Stalin!
              The shackles will collapse and the star of captivating happiness will again rise in Russia and around the world!
        2. poquello 15 May 2020 12: 52 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Ukrainian fighters staged a photo shoot with her,

          where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo
          1. Insurgent 15 May 2020 12: 57 New
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            Quote: poquello
            where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo

            Do you have to savor a photo session, or is it still necessary for something? And what is so "doubtful" in this photo?
            It, by the way, is available not only by this link, but also published on the site "Russian Spring" - https://rusvesna.su/news/1589525289
            1. poquello 15 May 2020 13: 12 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: poquello
              where is this photo shoot? the link is the same dubious photo

              Do you have to savor a photo session, or is it still necessary for something? And what is so "doubtful" in this photo?
              It, by the way, is available not only by this link, but also published on the site "Russian Spring" - https://rusvesna.su/news/1589525289

              I don’t care where they published it, this single photo is very similar to a session with a mannequin
        3. savment 16 May 2020 21: 20 New
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          I’m shocked how this is possible. A woman’s foot, a broken leg, fragmentation wounds are already torn off. B ...... I just can’t write obscenities. It’s good if she has a state of shock, and if not, there are such pains. Animals.
      2. barclay 15 May 2020 11: 17 New
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        A heap of legal verbiage conceals a banal mess both in the top leadership of the camp and in command and control. At one “wonderful moment”, this can play a cruel joke against a bunch of half-witted half-witters and jerkers who have gone too far and have gone too far into Nazism. They may eventually run into a disarming response. In the meantime, they draw base cartoons, how their Neptune cruise missiles shoot the Crimean bridge ...
      3. avg
        avg 15 May 2020 13: 15 New
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        The commission could draw a conclusion in short - all the authorities covered up w ... and sent the sailors directly captive to replace Nadia S., to sing “haven’t died yet” and to arouse sympathy for “the whole civilized humanity”.
        sending ships to the Sea of ​​Azov, the command did not take into account that Russian border guards could delay them due to violations, and relocation would weaken the defense capability of Ukraine in the Black Sea.
        But this conclusion directly touched. Most of all, the PFU was weakened by the treacherous sending of the tugboat Yana Kapu, and the quilted jackets got the most super-war secrets. Yes, and the border guards command did not take into account .. request
      4. Lelek 15 May 2020 13: 48 New
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        Quote: Popuas
        The main thing is, a volitional act, an oral order of Petro Poroshenko ...

        hi
        It seems that Mr. Sam gave the command to throw a dice on Waltzman’s scales in connection with his (and Timoshenko) statement in the media about the external (read American) management of the former Ukraine, which is not permissible for the vassal.
    2. revnagan 15 May 2020 11: 14 New
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      Initially, the incorrectly titled article misleads inexperienced readers, and it sounds prematurely joyful: “Yeah, yeah! We said, the horse is understandable, Ukraine is to blame!” Of course, this can be done by thoughtlessness, but most likely “clever” propaganda a trick with the use of demagogy. The blame lies with those who gave the sailors the order in such a criminal way. And only. And these members of the pig gang are guilty only before the Laws of Ukraine. Legally, Ukraine seized the water floating means, violating international laws, according to which Ukraine Inland watercraft went to their base in their territorial waters. Crimea is still legally the territory of Ukraine, and it is a fact. Russia is not the first to piracy, seizing someone else’s property with the use of brute force (Petro Godovanets drilling platforms, Ukraine ").
      1. The leader of the Redskins 15 May 2020 11: 29 New
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        Speak the truth!
        Specially switched to "strana.ua". The text in Russian. As I understood from an extensive article, experts recognized the inexpediency of transporting two armored boats and a tug at sea at that time. That's all. And now, at VO, a certain anonymous name gave us a hype headline for the final authority.
        It is unfortunate that the site is turning into a center for redirecting readers to double-check articles!
        1. Insurgent 15 May 2020 17: 09 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Speak the truth!
          Specially switched to "strana.ua". The text in Russian. As I understood from an extensive article, experts recognized the inexpediency of transporting two armored boats and a tug at sea at that time. That's all.


          No, not all.

          All the same country.ua says otherwise:

      2. st2st 15 May 2020 11: 59 New
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        Alexey, victorae non arbitrare, winners are not judged. I don’t know whether it’s true or false (laziness in the search engine), but this statement is attributed to Catherine the Great. Ukraine, as a subject of international law, has lost its statehood as a result of a state, armed, anti-constitutional coup. And therefore, de jure, is not a state. Putin made a huge mistake recognizing Poroshenko, and, accordingly, Ukraine, as a country. Three scows arrived, without Russian pilots, Mor patrolmen. parts of the border troops of the FSB of Russia, reacted instantly. Here, without options, the pelvis sent for the slaughter are guilty, or rather, their pelvis, captains
    3. Vasyan1971 15 May 2020 11: 29 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      The horse understood that Ukraine was guilty. Why this information?

      The horse may be understandable, but not so much for the sons ...
    4. poquello 15 May 2020 12: 58 New
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      just then, for the sake of internal struggle, we decided to obey
  2. Don karleone 15 May 2020 10: 29 New
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    Are you kidding!!!!
    1. Evdokim 15 May 2020 10: 54 New
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      Quote: Don Karleone
      Are you kidding!!!!

      Really, in fact,
      Finally sobered up.
      No, they want to hang all the dogs on Pietha, such as self-made men. good
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich 15 May 2020 10: 30 New
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    The commander of the Navy perceives everything, as an order, What do you want from a tankman from the village, Babui,? ..
  4. AUL
    AUL 15 May 2020 10: 31 New
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    And what legal conclusions do these experts have? If Ukraine’s guilt is officially recognized, they will have to apologize to Russia!
    1. New Year day 15 May 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: AUL
      And what legal conclusions do these experts have?

      answer
      The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.

      Quote: AUL
      they will have to apologize to Russia!

      it will not happen.
      Clarification of personal relationships and no more
    2. alexmach 15 May 2020 11: 49 New
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      they will have to apologize to Russia

      Yes, they will never apologize. They will write out a pill to the commander of the Navy for the fact that he didn’t put all the papers, and they’ll roll the barrel on Petya as much as they can. Apologies Well, I doubt it very much. Investigation is a product for internal use.
  5. Well done 15 May 2020 10: 35 New
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    Hanged on Poroshenko, and he hit the drum! And not such "incidents" got away with him. How many criminal cases are there against him? 10? twenty? And he eats the hank, smiles and enjoys life.
  6. rotmistr60 15 May 2020 10: 36 New
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    Well, at least I had the courage to confirm the obvious. Another thing is interesting: the supreme gives oral an order zealous to run is fulfilled, but is the responsibility of these persons before the law provided? Silence ... Or first you need to return the toilet?
  7. knn54 15 May 2020 10: 41 New
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    Poroshenko, too, "Someone" verbally indicated.
  8. Pvi1206 15 May 2020 10: 44 New
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    The examination was carried out as part of one of the criminal cases opened against Petro Poroshenko.

    there would be a man, but there is an article ...
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  10. svp67 15 May 2020 11: 05 New
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    This conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Science under the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine.
    Wonderful are thy deeds ...
    It is noted that the campaign of the ships was undertaken after the "oral instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC.
    But nothing that the President is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and any of his “instructions”, in whatever form it was given to lower-level military commanders and commanders, is an ORDER. So, Poroshenko’s guilt, which could not help but understand the consequences of such “instructions,” is already traced here.
    1. seregatara1969 15 May 2020 17: 15 New
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      An incorrectly issued order and the wrong passage of ships are two different vegetable gardens. Only the wrong order was recognized. Wrong passage is not even discussed. A play on words to the public
  11. Procyon lotor 15 May 2020 11: 14 New
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    It is not clear how internal problems in Ukraine, such as violation of a number of standards and the order of execution of combat control documents, cancel the fact that in the Kerch incident Russia violated all possible and not possible international and interstate agreements. For example, according to the law of the sea, an attack or seizure will be allowed only if the enemy’s ships perform hostile acts, and not only for violation of territorial waters. This is confirmed by the decision of the international arbitration court (https://www.itlos.org/cases/list-of-cases/case-no-26/)
    1. siemens7774 15 May 2020 14: 09 New
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      The International Arbitration Court does not have the right to consider border and military incidents. Only civil suits and incidents. The United States and Russia signed a contract only for civil incidents.
      1. Red Dragon 16 May 2020 00: 27 New
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        If it does not, Russia may not comply with the decision of the International Maritime Tribunal. But she, in fact, fulfilled it. Questions to the Russian authorities, why did they do it? belay
        1. siemens7774 16 May 2020 20: 45 New
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          In such cases, agreements are made behind the scenes. Russia got its interests in this case. Therefore, the ships have not been given away for so long.
          1. Red Dragon 16 May 2020 20: 53 New
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            Backstage arrangements can justify anything. Arctic Sunrise, too, did not give for a long time, then they gave it and they paid the fine. But believe your right. As in the movie Watch Out for the Car, the presence or absence of behind-the-scenes arrangements is almost always unprovable. wink
            1. siemens7774 16 May 2020 21: 55 New
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              You are again trying to mix civil with a border incident.
              1. Red Dragon 16 May 2020 22: 25 New
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                Dear siemens7774. I'm not trying to mix anything. There is a decision of the tribunal, it is available, anyone can get acquainted with it. And there is its actual implementation, although before its adoption by the tribunal, the Russian authorities proclaimed slightly different actions. Occam's razor, no more. wink
                1. siemens7774 16 May 2020 22: 35 New
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                  The decision of the tribunal for the Kerch incident is not valid. Therefore, Russia sent them to hell. The decision of the tribunal for some reason very much affected the minds of people who are ignorant in laws and liberals. And especially on representatives of the Navalny movement and adherents of the West. I very often encounter this and are not surprised Your comment. Here on VO a very long time ago this topic has been sorted by stones.
                  1. Red Dragon 16 May 2020 22: 45 New
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                    Okay, this argument is endless, I see. You think that Russia has sent someone somewhere, but I see its actual implementation: the sailors are free, the ships are transferred to Ukraine. At VO you can take apart anything you like, I’m not sure that 19 out of 20 judges who voted for this decision read VO. wink Their position matters, but mine and yours do not. Therefore, I propose to end the discussion, nothing, I think, we can not prove to each other. Good luck to you.
                    1. siemens7774 16 May 2020 22: 49 New
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                      And good luck to you. I’m just very surprised how this so-called tribunal was substituted and the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Kremlin had every reason to have them in court and for a very large amount.
  12. Vasyan1971 15 May 2020 11: 21 New
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    Any foreign state that had territorial claims against Ukraine could gain advantages in offensive actions against Ukraine

    Kaneshna! I would have saved Nenka a rotten tug, and two boxes of grenades on the leaky "armored boats"! In addition, the only "foreign state that had territorial claims against Ukraine" (guess three times: what?) Is not in great need of it.
    In short, be that as it may, but the bullet almost whistled at the temple!
  13. Uma palata 15 May 2020 11: 51 New
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    Hm. Interesting.
    And how is the LEGAL assessment given in the EXPERTISE?
    Things are mutually exclusive.
    Well, okay, maybe in Europe it's okay.
    But, excuse me, what kind of "captivity of the Ukrainian military" is alluded to in the Kiev document?
    The status of prisoners of war refers to combatants during military operations during the WAR. Ukraine declared war on us ?!
    Durelomas on the shuttles were not prisoners, but DETAINED as violators of the laws of the Russian Federation. And arrested, preventive measure arrest.
    Under Soviet rule, there were very competent lawyers and experts in Kiev. Are they all moved to the Poles on the farm to collect strawberries?
    One thing is pleasing - glimpses of objectivity and reason through the darkness of legal inaccuracies.
  14. morpogr 15 May 2020 11: 52 New
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    Apparently this conclusion is preparation for the arrest of Poroshenko. Maybe even so Zelensky will correct his rating and fulfill at least one of his campaign promises.
    1. orionvitt 15 May 2020 12: 34 New
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      Quote: morpogr
      conclusion preparation for the arrest of Poroshenko.
      and fulfill at least one of his campaign promises
      Rather, the sun will go out, or the moon will fall to the earth, than Zelensky will plant Poroshenko.
      1. Gato 15 May 2020 12: 58 New
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        Zelensky will plant Poroshenko

        And who will ask him? If the regional committee orders it, it’s right, it’s not going anywhere
        1. orionvitt 15 May 2020 13: 04 New
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          In general, yes, they are for the "regional committee", just a consumable. But if you put Poroshenko, then a legitimate question arises about the legality of the Maidan. But this topic will not be raised in Ukraine. Since this is the basis of the current Ukrainian ideology.
  15. Diver-SP 15 May 2020 11: 59 New
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    occurred through the fault of Ukraine, this conclusion was reached at the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Science under the Ministry of Justice

    What is there to investigate, and so everything is clear .. A clean provocation and paid to see these "admirals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on boats" .. To anger Russia! This is the order of the State Department!
  16. cniza 15 May 2020 12: 19 New
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    It is noted that the campaign of the ships was undertaken after the "oral instructions" of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko, who gave it at a meeting of the NSDC. The order to send the ships was perceived by the command of the Navy as an order and led to "grave consequences".


    What is the matter with them? So another criminal case will be opened ... lol
  17. orionvitt 15 May 2020 12: 32 New
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    relocation will weaken the defense of Ukraine in the Black Sea
    Of course, two armored vehicles, the crew of which is always ready to surrender heroically without firing a shot, greatly strengthen the defenses of Ukraine. And not somewhere, but on the whole Black Sea.
  18. APASUS 15 May 2020 12: 59 New
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    I can’t understand only why Ukraine received its ships back? In fact, judging by the fact, they are a tool, when illegally crossing the border, they must be seized and destroyed
    1. Red Dragon 15 May 2020 14: 51 New
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      So it was the decision of the Maritime Tribunal to surrender. Russia fulfilled it, why are you surprised? winked
      1. APASUS 15 May 2020 17: 42 New
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        Quote: Red Dragon
        So it was the decision of the Maritime Tribunal to surrender. Russia fulfilled it, why are you surprised? winked

        Since when has the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea been examining the cases of military courts and teams that violated the borders of another state?
        1. Red Dragon 15 May 2020 20: 33 New
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          The International Maritime Tribunal has decided on this occasion. There were freed ships and sailors. If you have questions about the motivation, you can contact there and clarify. Russia completed it, the rest is not important. wink
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    AB 15 May 2020 13: 52 New
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    the ship’s voyage was undertaken after the “oral instructions” of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, President Petro Poroshenko

    Ha ha ha Let them even say that against Petit, another criminal case was opened. In Ukraine, brains are turned on when they know that they won’t be anything for it.
  20. Lord of the Sith 15 May 2020 15: 07 New
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    Kiev experts confirmed the guilt of Ukraine in the Kerch incident

    Tse zrada and ganba))
  21. seregatara1969 15 May 2020 17: 09 New
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    Admitted guilt but not that! They did not recognize the violation of the passage of ships, but merely gave the wrong order about the arrival of these same ships. A play on words, nothing more.
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  23. iouris 15 May 2020 22: 31 New
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    ... but the toilet must be returned!
  24. Evil 55 16 May 2020 04: 36 New
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    In the framework of the criminal case, according to the established tradition, don Pedro is to blame in any case .. And as a commander-in-chief, and as a person who stubbornly earns a lot of money from the troubles of UKRAINE ..
  25. Viktor Sergeev 16 May 2020 06: 34 New
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    Either cry, or laugh. What experts are such and conclusions. The error is that a piece of paper was not made up? It is necessary to undermine the power of the country, lost as many as 3 boats. Fighting with each other, they turn Ukraine into Quarter 95.
  26. Alexander Barinov 16 May 2020 20: 43 New
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    There is no more Ukraine, there is Ukraine * and its ethnos - the feeding up of the Bolsheviks and Zionists.
    1. siemens7774 17 May 2020 12: 41 New
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      First of all, this is a product of the headquarters of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany since 1900. Why did the Bolsheviks continue this, already a mystery
  27. Metallurg_2 17 May 2020 11: 57 New
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    Now these experts will be brought to Mirotvorets.