Promising ACV-30 armored personnel carriers for the US KMP will be equipped with the Norwegian combat module MST-30

Image of an ACV wheeled armored personnel carrier for the U.S. KMP in the ACV-30 variant with the Kongsberg BMT-30 BM

Promising wheeled armored personnel carriers ACV (Amphibious Combat Vehicle) for the U.S. Marine Corps in the ACV-30 8X8 variant will receive a remotely controlled combat module MST-30 with a 30-mm automatic gun manufactured by the Norwegian group Kongsberg. This was said in a statement.

The Norwegian Kongsberg group received a subcontract from BAE Systems Corporation for the supply of up to 150 remotely controlled combat modules MST-30 with a 30-mm automatic gun to equip the promising ACV-30 armored personnel carrier for the U.S. KMP. The first ACV-30 prototype with the MCT-30 module is due in early 2021.

This combat module was selected by the United States Marine Corps for its armored personnel carriers in April this year. It should be noted that the Kongsberg BMT-30 BM is well known in the US Army, they were chosen in 2017 to equip 81 Stryker armored vehicles (8x8) in the M1296 Stryker ICV Dragoon (ICVD) variant as part of the 2nd cavalry regiment stationed in Europe However, in the future the development project was not received.

Reportedly, the Kongsberg MST-30 combat module is equipped with a 30-mm Northrop Grumman XM813 Bushmaster Mk 44 cannon and a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it. The gun has dual power and ammunition of 150 rounds placed in the module, since the BM has no turret compartment. As ammunition, the gun can use 30-mm shells with remote detonation.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

The hosts - the bar ...
What they want is what they put. Norwegians in NATO means nothing is broken.

[novel66]

and aim with what?

[PavelT]

The video camera on the trunk is well aligned, the video monitor with a cross-tip from the operator of the weapon, he points the target with a manipulator handle. Why is it so strange, the Americans have long been using the same Stryker (though their marines complained about a black and white camera - they demanded a color one).

[novel66]

the eye will have a higher resolution

[PavelT]

Needless to say, the resolution is better. But the camera at Stryker has an increase.

Then the eye is vulnerable - for example, the Chinese Type 99 tank has a vicious laser optics search system that burns out the gunners' eyes.
https://topwar.ru/411-kitajskij-tank-tip-99-odin-iz-trex-luchshix-v-mire-po-boevomu-potencialu.html
"... on the latest versions of the Type 99 tank, a laser optical suppression, glare and interference device is located at the rear of the turret. The maximum range of its application is 4000 m. A system consisting of a control computer, a laser system and a jammer is usually installed on a rotating platform in the left rear of the turret; the gunner and tank commander can control the system. According to estimates, the maximum laser power is about 100 MJ, which allows damage to the enemy’s retina and damage to its optoelectronics at a distance of more than 2000 m."
In the case of this combat module, such a Chinese laser will burn the camera, but the operator’s eyes will remain. The camera can be replaced, it is not a pity. But the eyes, alas, are disposable in this sense ...

[novel66]

so it’s so ..

[Grigory_45]

Quote: PavelT

Americans have long been using the same Stryker (though their marines complained about a black and white camera - they demanded a color one).

a color picture, of course, is more familiar to the eye, but black and white cameras have undeniable advantages: a higher resolution and high photosensitivity of the matrix. When observing distant objects and in poor lighting conditions, such cameras are preferable.
Rich Yankees could have put two in color for the day and black and white at night.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: novel xnumx

and aim with what?

through the scope) Only the transmission of the picture is electronic. Optics is the same.
Electronic signal processing allows you to see things that are inaccessible to the human eye

[novel66]

but it doesn’t allow you to see what the human eye can easily see

[Grigory_45]

Quote: novel xnumx

but it doesn’t allow you to see what the human eye can easily see

In the end, the same operator with the same eyes sits in front of the sight, and what's the difference, look through the optics, or the optics?

[novel66]

different perceptions

[knn54]

I somehow did not pay attention to the Norwegians, except perhaps to the air defense system.
And only today there are two articles about the "nanodron" and the combat module.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

> And only today, two articles about "nanodron" and a combat module.
Nanodron American https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLIR_Systems

[knn54]

Vasiliy:
Prox Dynamics:
"Our core mission is to design, manufacture and market the smallest and most advanced unmanned aircraft systems in the world."
Hwalstad, Akershus, Norway.
An American company (manufacturer of thermal imagers) makes a "hang" and is already selling it as a "finished" product.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

> Amerkan company (manufacturer of thermal imagers) makes "obvescu" and is already selling it as a "finished" product.
anyway, this company already belongs to her
In December 2016, FLIR acquired Prox Dynamics, the manufacturer of Black Hornet, a nanodron used by military and law enforcement agencies for surveillance and intelligence, for $ 134 million.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: knn54

I somehow didn’t pay attention to the Norwegians, except for the air defense complex

they have a good and very interesting anti-ship missiles - NSM (Naval Strike Missile). They are purchased in the United States.
Skjold missile boats are fun too

[aleksr2005]

It is necessary to support the satellite, throw a few customers!

[PavelT]

30-mm shells with remote detonation is cool, a convenient thing to shoot at helicopters / drones and infantry behind obstacles in trenches (so that shells burst directly above the trench).
I have been wondering for a long time: why in Russia there are no such ammunition? Or is there, but just a few of them, because nothing is heard about them?

[Antidote]

Because the lamp control does not fit well in 30mm

[Lopatov]

Quote: PavelT

I have been wondering for a long time: why in Russia there are no such ammunition?

Why do you think not?

Just think, why in the sights, which are now going to the troops, there are channels of a complex for remote control of the time of shelling
As an example, TKN-4GA-02 and TKN-4GA-03

[PavelT]

Thanks for the info! It completely passed me.
In the indicated sight I found the shells themselves:
1UOF3 (8 mm) https://www.arms-expo.ru/armament/samples/30/1368/
и
2UOF3 (23 mm)
https://vestnik-rm.ru/news/oborona-i-bezopasnost/stalnoj-dozhd-dlya-raschetov-dzhavelinov-ispytyvaetsya-v-rossii
http://otvaga2004.ru/novosti/stalnoj-dozhd/
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291027-casm.htm
- As I understand it, since 2015 these shells have been produced.
Already in the Donbass tested: https://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/st/50/topic1592758.html

[Lopatov]

Quote: PavelT

In the indicated sight I found the shells themselves:

MO buys them very reluctantly. Last year they took the "experimental batch", since then silence.

[PavelT]

In addition to sights and shells, it is necessary to write instructions, manuals on the results of application, include them in the training program, and then train the crews at the training grounds so that they have skills.

[Lopatov]

Everything is simpler: the capabilities of shells of this type are greatly exaggerated.
Please note that on all commercials, shooting is carried out at short distances so that dispersion in range is not particularly noticeable.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: PavelT

30mm remote blast shells are cool

and how much remains on the explosive in such projectiles, if we subtract the mass and volume of the fuse ?? A couple of grams? Exaggerated, of course, but a small caliber with remote detonation, I think, is more of an advertising campaign. Their striking effect is less than similar "blunt" shells. Shells from 35-40 mm are a different matter.

[PavelT]

For air targets, the damaging effect is enough, but the probability of getting more. And of course, 57-mm shells would be worth doing too.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: PavelT

It’s enough for air targets, but the probability of getting more

If you look at foreign shells of this kind (for example, the 35-mm AHEAD Swiss Oerlikon), then they adopted the concept with the GGE, In the photo of the shell

you can see how much the fuse occupies - this is position 1 (coil) and 2 (the fuse itself) in the photo, 3 is the expelling charge of the GGE, and what is the striking elements themselves (position 4). The firm considered that tungsten "balls" weighing at least 3 grams were needed to defeat the aircraft, and 152 of them were able to be packed. To defeat manpower, a GGE weighing a little over a gram is enough, and 407 of them fit.

In the 30-mm shell of the same company, 3,3-gram GPEs did not begin to be shoved, because the disastrous number interferes, even the GPE weighing 1,24 grams fit only 162. What’s called, look at the difference - the caliber of the shells differs by only 5 mm, and the possibilities are completely different, not in favor of the first. And the cost of shells do not differ much

[PavelT]

The Swedes have something similar with tungsten balls, but for a 40mm caliber - their good old Bofors L / 70.
There is a PFHE shell with a proximity fuse that responds to a target nearby.
And there is a 3P universal projectile with a programmable detonation time, either with detonation near the target (non-contact fuse) or with detonation when hit (contact fuse). A sort of station wagon - type 3P stands for 3P = PPP = Prefragmented, Programmable, Proximity-fuzed. http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/3P.pdf
Allegedly not afraid of EW tools (Immune to ECM) - when programming a projectile in the barrel, the strength of the false EW signal should be just gigantic to crush the original signal in the barrel for 2–3 km, at a distance of 1 cm.
It is also in the 57mm version specifically for use in anti-aircraft artillery: https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/fuze-3p-ammunition
Although it is advertised and its use on surface targets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rldn9Hvzih4 - there is a slow-motion video of gaps above the water - very clear.

[Nadrub]

No, because in reality they can be easily neutralized by electronic warfare and a volley simply turns into a useless salute. Pampering is expensive ...
Well, or use against barmalev

[PavelT]

Easy?
How to create such a strong false electronic warfare signal in order to crush an authentic signal programming a projectile in the barrel at a distance of only 2 cm from 3–1 km ???

[Nadrub]

For a long time already everything is and works fine called EW "Mercury"

[PavelT]

Cool stuff! It explodes rockets in flight, not at launch.
Against the MLRS will do just fine, and even then, probably, for those missiles that have a radio-controlled detonation or with a non-contact fuse.
For a projectile with a firing time set during firing (or a fuse), it is useless. There, the fuse simply stupidly counts the time before undermining, he already does not care for radio signals, he has already been programmed. And the cost of this electronic warfare system (from several vehicles) is such that it is just ridiculous to set it 3 km from this cheap Norwegian / other infantry fighting vehicle with a 30 mm / 40 mm or 57 mm cannon - it's like shooting mosquitoes from a cannon.

[Vladimir_2U]

So it is necessary, ALL NATO to declare and all military alliances in which the United States includes the nuclear target for Russia, because if it happens that the United States is not enough to roll out and without them every bastard will climb. I repeat: happen what.

[Russo Turisto]

As soon as ours decided to install a 57mm cannon on an armored personnel carrier, the drones appeared. And immediately the phrase "from a cannon to the sparrows" shone with new colors.

[Romanenko]

Well done, grown to BMP-2 level

[Undecim]

30 mm Northrop Grumman XM813 Bushmaster Mk 44
These are two different guns - the Mk44 Bushmaster II and XM813, which differs from the Mk44 in a longer barrel (25,4 mm), reinforced mount. Changed the design of the muzzle brake in the future ammunition equipment with new gunpowders.

[Doliva63]

The first reaction to the photo of this armored personnel carrier is "a grenade launcher's dream"!

[DWG1905]

It seems to me that this pepelats has questions to the center of gravity and the track is narrowish how to go along the tank track? What is the opinion of specialists on this topic? About the guided shells with remote detonation of a caliber of 57 mm at the academy in 1987 they told me.