Prime Minister of Ukraine: “Green” energy is good, but so far expensive

The crowding out of expensive nuclear energy with cheap green energy has become one of the causes of the industry crisis in Ukraine. In this regard, it is necessary to investigate the mass issuance by the state company Ukrenergo of permissions to connect to the country's energy network.

This was stated by Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmygal via video link to the participants of the meeting of the Committee on Energy and Housing and Public Utilities of the Verkhovna Rada.

The head of the Ukrainian government believes that this situation requires careful study:

We need to investigate and figure out where it came from.

The prime minister also noted that he fully supports clean and renewable energy, but it should not be so expensive:

Green energy is very good, and we will come to it, but it must be cheap. So far it's expensive.

According to the National Regulatory Commission for Energy and Utilities (NKREKU), the share of green electricity increased to 8 percent and amounted to 26 percent of financial turnover in the energy market.

It is known that the largest Ukrainian producer of electricity from renewable sources is the DTEK holding owned by Rinat Akhmetov.

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[knn54]

but it must be cheap.
Akhmetov ???

[Sector]

Green energy is very good, and we will come to it, but it must be cheap.

Tipo free Russian gas? I understand the men correctly?

[Armored beast]

Where is the water and where is the estate?

[siberalt]

All Ukrainian ministers, in fact, are appointed by Gauleiter from the US State Department. The address of their anthill in Kuev is known to everyone. And what he read temporary on what was written, the current one, he has already completed his task, in his turn there is already the next one who can read the translation from English into Ukrainian.

[antivirus]

green energy is a crocodile Gene from m \ f-fun and stupidly surrender everything to the metal \ scrap (incl. Gene anchor pulled).
beneficial to other people's uncles; they make a profit, and our producers: sit and smoke bamboo. also threw kohlam

[Polite Moose]

Quote: antivirus

green energy is a crocodile Gene

Green energy is Benjamin Franklin, which is being received by "power engineers" in exchange for stalled and closed nuclear power plants.

[4ekist]

We have already heard something about cow dung and gas produced from it in Ukraine. What's next?

[Hunter 2]

Yeah ... ruin the nuclear industry - Easy! Only restore on their own - no longer succeed!
The main thing is that nothing fails ... Chernobyl alone is enough!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

The main thing is that nothing fails ... Chernobyl alone is enough!

And the West somehow does not notice it, as if they live on another planet.

[Sector]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the West somehow does not notice it, as if they live on another planet.

The West, just climbed into the outskirts of the nuclear power plant and something loaded there .. And the specialists who built these nuclear power plants in Ukraine grab their heads, but they are not allowed to go there .. That's scary!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sektor

The West, just climbed into the nuclear power plant of the Outskirts and something there loads its

A catastrophe with nuclear power plants outside Ukraine is almost inevitable. But one can only hope that the oldest VVER-440 in Rivne will be the first to explode - then it will be possible to raise a wave in Europe and force Ukraine to close all other nuclear power plants in one fell swoop.

[Sector]

Quote: tihonmarine

A catastrophe with nuclear power plants outside Ukraine is almost inevitable. But we can only hope

On God and the Capture of Kiev, nothing else, these horses ruined everything ..
And they can brutalize Russia cruelly by running away ..

[Cube123]

Quote: Sektor

Quote: tihonmarine

And the West somehow does not notice it, as if they live on another planet.

The West, just climbed into the outskirts of the nuclear power plant and something loaded there .. And the specialists who built these nuclear power plants in Ukraine grab their heads, but they are not allowed to go there .. That's scary!

The nuclear power plant in Fukushima was built by General Electric. It's so beautiful - an experimental base in foreign territory. Knowledge and experience - to themselves, and all risks - to the natives. Just a fairy tale: "about tops and roots"

[Armored beast]

And did the West load a lot for them? Do not write nonsense.

[Sector]

Quote: Armored Beast

And did the West load a lot for them? Do not write nonsense.

Kiev buys fuel rods from the United States, etc. (where it is cheaper Tipo) Spite of Russia
And this is very dangerous and our developers do not allow these reactors .. We have many grabbing the heads for what they can instruct ..
After all, again Russia will have to liquidate and we will be blamed for this ..

[Finn]

Westenhouse climbs with its rods. Americans, but a subsidiary of Toshiba. By the way, they shoved and blew them up at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and they served Fukushima. Now they want to try their own at Zaporizhzhya fuel elements.

[zwlad]

Green energy is not just expensive. it is extremely expensive. and she's not that green. at least solar panel manufacturing is extremely messy, energy intensive. I'm not talking about windmills at all

[Free wind]

And what is wrong with windmills?

[sabakina]

Quote: Free Wind

And what is wrong with windmills?

Because of the windmills, the trees are swinging. Seeds are not carried by the rules. Yes, much more ...

[Thrall]

Everything on the shelves about the "green tariff" in Ukrainian from Tatiana Montyan

[Armored beast]

And cherayak climb out from under the ground.

[Armored beast]

And cherayak climb out from under the ground.

[zwlad]

Yes, there is simply a huge mass of various metals for the smelting and processing of which a large amount of fossil fuel is burned. although in principle this also applies to the construction of other power plants (though no one calls them green)

[Sector]

Quote: zwlad

Green energy is not just expensive. it is extremely expensive. and she's not that green. at least solar panel production

And we have built two solar-powered stations in the Urals .. Everything is beautiful, but for whom and for what? The plant was blown away, etc.
Although the autonomous power station does not hinder its own, a lot of what we have here is still tricky on the ground ..

[major147]

I traveled from Evpatoria last year and saw a whole field laden with solar panels.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zwlad

Green energy is not just expensive. it is extremely expensive.

And why do they need energy, smartphones only charge? And they will do without them. Light from a torch, to heat a stove with a dung.

[210ox]

But who cares about this. Loans are also expensive, but you are head over heels in them. And Maidan is expensive, but you continue to ride a rake. Yes, and figs with you, live expensive.

[Sector]

Quote: 210ox

And Maidan is expensive, but you continue to ride a rake. Yes, and figs with you, live expensive.

Well, if so, but they are hoping for Russia that we won’t leave them when the West squeezes them like a rag and throws them at the feet of Russia .. In other words, we don’t need them anymore .. take this stink
Everything goes to this Dmitry

[major147]

Quote: Sektor

like a rag and throw at the feet of Russia

I've been talking about this since the beginning of the Maidan. Having removed all the "cream", the West will hang this "fraternal" yoke on the neck of Russia.

[Zementbomber]

It is known that the largest Ukrainian producer of electricity from renewable sources is the DTEK holding owned by Rinat Akhmetov.

For those who, instead of a brain in their skulls, have a rope connecting them - yes, this is "known".
The rest are well aware that the largest producer of electricity from renewable sources in Ukraine is this company:
https://uhe.gov.ua
- has nothing to do with Rinat.

[Cowbra]

Again, the war for the grandmother) Now, not Piglet-Akhmet, but Sorosya-Akhmet)))

[Terenin]

Quote: Zementbomber

It is known that the largest Ukrainian producer of electricity from renewable sources is the DTEK holding owned by Rinat Akhmetov.

For those who, instead of a brain in their skulls, have a rope connecting them - yes, this is "known".
The rest are well aware that the largest producer of electricity from renewable sources in Ukraine is this company:
https://uhe.gov.ua
- has nothing to do with Rinat.

Here, the primary problem is not Renata, nor Zulfiya ..., nor PrJSC "Ukrgidroenergo" - the most reliable hydro-generating company in Ukraine ...
The problem is not even in bringing three thousand-capacity power units (at the Zaporizhzhya and Rivne NPPs) to the "cold reserve" ... which is logical and correct (not because of a good life), will allow the rest to work at a power level close to the nominal.
At the moment, the primary problem of energy in Ukraine consists of:
a) non-payment for electricity, and this entails the threat of default of energy supply operators and the inability to purchase electric energy and transmission / distribution services and, accordingly, the cessation of electricity supply to consumers, including the public.
b) a permanent mess with leading personnel from the leading electricity supplier of NAEK Energoatom. Naturally, the acting there is no appropriate permission from the head of the nuclear regulatory authority. That is, no one is legally responsible for the safety of nuclear power plants ...
And then you will jump, and guess where it came from - Blackout?

[Zementbomber]

Gena - well, since the publication of this post of yours - 5 months. without a week has already passed. Where is the "operator default"? Where is the blackout? Where is the "inevitable collapse of imperialism", the equally "inevitable" "collapse of the US dollar," and so on?

[Terenin]

Quote: Zementbomber

Gena - well, since the publication of this post of yours - 5 months. without a week has already passed. Where is the "operator default"? Where is the blackout? Where is the "inevitable collapse of imperialism", the equally "inevitable" "collapse of the US dollar," and so on?

Earth, do not rush, they count chickens in autumn ...

[Zementbomber]

Well OK, I'll remind you when autumn is over.

[Terenin]

Quote: Zementbomber

Well OK, I'll remind you when autumn is over.

Come on, do your best if you are secured, incl. follow me.
Flag in hand

[rotmistr60]

Green energy is very good, and we will come to it

Sooner or later, everyone comes to somewhere and to something. Something is not visible in Ukraine, fields of wind turbines and solar panels, or hide from the eyes of the "aggressor"? Firewood from the forest and dung can not be attributed to "green energy"? Some initially grow in a green forest, the second is a product of animal life. Well, smoke from the chimney is such a trifle, the main thing is cheap. Maybe that's why

green electricity increased to 8 percent

[major147]

Quote: rotmistr60

Some initially grow in a green forest,

There was infa that the forest belts were cut down for firewood.

[Cowbra]

the share of green electricity increased to 8 percent and amounted to 26 percent of financial turnover in the energy market.

The share increased because the NPPs were half-closed - i.e. less energy And 8% of the energy consumes 26% of the money, this I translate from "Gretatunberg" into Russian.
Interesting. how many times everyone said about it. anyone at least a little in the subject? And before that, only now the Minister of Energy of Ukraine arrived, the country where 6 years ago they screamed about the closure of all nuclear power plants, saying that we will power everything with windmills ...
"Well, stupid!" (C)

[Moon]

Quote: Cowbra

NPPs are half-closed - i.e. less energy

all 4 nuclear power plants are operating.
Even written, but removed from Energoatom's website, the "cold reserve" consists of repaired units (that is, they are not connected, but they did not work) due to a decrease in energy consumption by the industry under conditions of strict quarantine.
May 13 at nuclear power plants of Ukraine in operation 10 out of 15 power units.
At the power unit No. 3 of the Zaporizhzhya NPP, the 146th day of the scheduled overhaul.
At the power unit No. 4 of the Zaporizhzhya NPP, the 13th day of the scheduled overhaul.
At power unit No. 5 of Zaporizhzhya NPP, 28 is the day of the average scheduled repair.
Starting from May 4, 12, Unit 2020 of the Rivne NPP was disconnected from the power grid and put into reserve.
At power unit No. 2 of the South Ukrainian NPP, the 28 day of the average scheduled repair.
Over the past day, May 12, the stations generated 176,16 million kWh of electricity.
Due to balance constraints over the past day, Ukrainian nuclear power plants underproduced 43,79 million kWh of electricity.
Nuclear power plants still produce 56% of the country's total energy.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Σελήνη

all 4 nuclear power plants are operating.

The standards for the planned shutdown of the VVER-1000 unit, how about the Zaporizhzhya NPP, is it ZAES - in the know? Every 4,5 years. Add - or understand yourself And here in the year of lope there - and stopped at lope?

[Vasyan1971]

Green energy is very good, and we will come to it, but it must be cheap. So far it's expensive.

Better yet, it's completely free! Yeah. Right now. It's only cheap when someone else pays for all the overhead and other costs. You don't even need to guess who this "other" will be.

[orionvitt]

it does not have to be so expensive. we will come to her, but she must be cheap

Strange people. It feels like they are playing Harry Potter in Ukraine. They wish that, as if by magic, "green energy, become cheap." It doesn't work that way. But apparently, in Ukraine, the laws of the universe are not the same as in the rest of the world.

[KVU-NSVD]

The crowding out of expensive nuclear energy with cheap nuclear energy has become one of the causes of the industry crisis in Ukraine

Oh how, excuse about the decommissioning of units at nuclear power plants was found! It turns out to be the sun, wind and firewood! And so the nuclear and other branches of the electric power industry would flourish ..

Green electricity increased to 8 percent and

What is it from? From current consumption? So this is a little. And by how much has industry consumption decreased? And how will they finally be reborn into an agrarian superpower - there, in general, nuclear power plants will become redundant and Ukraine will become an advanced country with the greenest energy industry. Wangyu - not far from the time of appearance in her trade balance in the "import" section of the article "firewood"

[Armored beast]

Quote: major147

Quote: rotmistr60

Some initially grow in a green forest,

There was infa that the forest belts were cut down for firewood.

Source please.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Free Wind

And what is wrong with windmills?

And not even the most important thing - Windmill operates in a narrow range of wind speeds. The rest of the time he stands. And the cost of maintenance, taxes go to increase the cost of energy production in traditional ways. When it works, an excess of energy appears, since not all generating capacities can be quickly turned off, for example, atomic and hydro. Further, switching flows from one generator to another requires additional care. Further. Phase and frequency synchronization generated by a single, sufficiently low-power, and numerous generators leads to a significant reduction in their power. Since it is done by reducing the power consumption of each.

[dgonni]

To understand the whole paragraph, you just need to go back 8 years. When under Prof. Yanukovych, tariffs for green energy were approved. But they were approved for Ahmetka and others like them. And if it’s easier to cut budget money. So it shot. From the budget, nobody will subsidize these characters essno. Therefore, buta and shkarndal.

[gurzuf]

To paraphrase Baron Rothschild - Ukrainian cross-border Ukrainians are not so rich that they would buy cheap electric energy

[NF68]

For Ukraine, with its dying industry, soon and such electricity may be less and less.

[petrol cutter]

The question for "green" energy has already been raised forty-seven times.
Everywhere and always. What is there in / on UA, in Deutschland!
And it has been proven a hundred times by energy professionals that "green" energy on a national scale is a utopia.
It is not worth it.

[Kuzmitsky]

Someone may not be worth it, but Rinat Leonidych, most likely, is very worth it.

[NF68]

Quote: Petrol cutter

And it has been proven a hundred times by energy professionals that "green" energy on a national scale is a utopia.

In the 1st quarter of this year, Germany's green energy generated 52% of all electricity generated in Germany.

[petrol cutter]

According to my information, it is necessary to cover the entire area of ​​Germany with solar cells in order to somehow brighten up the troubles in the service.
These are not my empty conclusions, but on YouTube there is a video. From our Ukrainian is not comrades. Where my words are confirmed by their professionals.
I will say more. In my beloved Crimea (if you are so interested in alternative energy, you should know) after stopping the construction of a nuclear power plant in the town of Shchelkino, they started to develop all this obscurantism. How did it end?!.
Laying an energy bridge from the mainland and emergency construction of power plants.
I hope I explained everything popularly? ...

[NF68]

Quote: Petrol cutter

According to my information, it is necessary to cover the entire area of ​​Germany with solar cells in order to somehow brighten up the troubles in the service.
These are not my empty conclusions, but on YouTube there is a video. From our Ukrainian is not comrades. Where my words are confirmed by their professionals.
I will say more. In my beloved Crimea (if you are so interested in alternative energy, you should know) after stopping the construction of a nuclear power plant in the town of Shchelkino, they started to develop all this obscurantism. How did it end?!.
Laying an energy bridge from the mainland and emergency construction of power plants.
I hope I explained everything popularly? ...

It is not necessary to cover the whole of Germany with solar panels. Windmills in Germany produce 2 times more electricity than solar panels and when in Germany they actively begin to build windmills, whose height is 2 times higher than the law has allowed so far, the amount of electricity generated by windmills will be even greater. Solar panels on the roofs of their houses, business buildings, workshops and other things are not installed only by the lazy and those who do not want to do this or have no money for it. And this despite the fact that there are not many sunny days in most of Germany. This is definitely not the Crimea and certainly not Italy. Ukraine is a special country. Breaking and pulling away in the shortest possible time there are everything that they can. It is quite possible that in Crimea, not everything is alright with the safety of these same solar panels, but if so, then they went according to a more convenient option.

[iouris]

Eh, Mitrich, I would use your problems ......

[23424636]

the article is not about anything. Shmygal was engaged in panels for solar panels. In Ukraine, there is enough capacity of nuclear plants to solve consumer problems .. the Donbass destroyed by the war definitely does not consume all that it has -2 thermal stations –– in D N R, 3 thermal stations in the territory of Donetsk region controlled by Ukraine. The cost of nuclear electricity is cheaper than thermal and therefore in the face of falling electricity consumption in the country, making money on the sale of electricity becomes difficult for Akhmetov and therefore he closes coal mines (Pavlogradugol) and other mines, which are in the Donetsk region and the exile camping on the decline in demand. In D N R, on the contrary, the stations are under the closest control, because selling electricity to Russia is not such a pain as selling coal from the anthracite mines of Shakhtersk and Torez with Snezhnoy. to Europe. but now most likely this export item is not active. The destruction of ties with Russia for the sake of Western controllers started under Kravchuk. It showed that the entire economic potential of the republic is designed for coop Operation with the territory of the former USSR is not needed at all. Even those enterprises. Which remained in the D N R and the Lugansk Republic eke out a miserable existence and this is a very serious production. No need to play the piano in unison with Zelensky. and start restarting industries that Russia really needs.

[Ded_Mazay]

Green energy is very good, and we will come to it, but it must be cheap. So far it's expensive.

Yes, of course it's expensive. Because the sucker has to pay twice. A sucker with a star-striped stigma on the ass - three times.

[Kuzmitsky]

Expensive, because officials need to be fed, and oligarchs.

[Ded_Mazay]

Z.E. this is generally nadurilov, and in Ukraine, with their officials and oligarchs - doubly.