The first tanker of the Aframax type was launched at the Far Eastern SSK Zvezda

The first Russian tanker of the Aframax type, Vladimir Monomakh, was launched. The ceremony was held at Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex LLC in the Big Stone of Primorsky Territory, Zvezda press service reported.

The report said that a new generation tanker designed to meet high environmental safety standards was launched. The main and auxiliary power plants can operate on both traditional and environmentally friendly fuels - liquefied natural gas. The length of the vessel is 250 meters, width 44 meters, deadweight 114 thousand tons, speed 14,6 knots, ice class ICE-1A. The main purpose is oil transportation.

It is specified that the construction of 12 tankers of this type is in the Zvezda's portfolio of orders. At present (taking into account the launched ones), 4 tankers are on the outfit of the Zvezda building, in February a steel cutting ceremony was held for the fifth. All tankers are designed for Rosneft.

Let us clarify that at the present time the Zvezda shipbuilding complex has not yet been completed, construction is being carried out in two stages. To date, the facilities of the first extended lineup have been commissioned: a hull production unit, paint booths, an open heavy outfit with a fleet of unique cranes and an advanced ship-transport system, a transport and transfer dock.

With the commissioning of the second stage, Zvezda will be able to build ships and marine equipment without any restrictions. The second stage includes: a dry dock and additional production workshops of a full cycle for the construction of large vessels and marine equipment. The shipyard is fully ready for 2024.

According to the bmpd blog, the actual assembly of the tanker hull took place at Zvezda. At the same time, the ship’s cargo sections were manufactured at the enterprise, and the fore and aft sections of the hull were manufactured by the South Korean company Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries in Samho-Yup (Yongam) and delivered to Big Stone by sea.

Full localization of production at Zvezda will be introduced gradually and will take at least 4 years.

Comments

[Al Asad]

What a name for a tanker is too cool. Like a warship

[Civil]

The length of the vessel is 250 meters, width 44 meters, deadweight 114 thousand tons, speed 14,6 knots, ice class ICE-1A. The main purpose is oil transportation.

The pride of the civilian fleet, which means it will deal with the Northern delivery, will bring fuel in its tanks for the development of the Far North, for the workers of the Solar Arctic. No, well, he will not carry our oil under the Panamanian flag to the decaying West or to China.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Civil

No, well, he will not carry our oil under the Panamanian flag to the decaying West or to China.

it is for these purposes that the entire series is laid down and for no other ..... it is spelled out in the leasing contract

[tech3030]

Nobody appreciated sarcasm!

[andrey-ivanov]

The main purpose is oil transportation

What is the northern delivery? Everything has already been said. Most likely, Sakhalin oil will be dragged by the cordon - South Korea, Japan, China.

[skipper83]

To import oil to the north? You are a comedian)))))

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Al Asad

What a name for a tanker is too cool. Like a warship

Moreover, it duplicates it. "Vladimir Monomakh" - APRKSN project Borey, is in service. In a good way, they should be renamed, otherwise it's somehow wrong ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Moreover, it duplicates it. "Vladimir Monomakh" - APRKSN project Borey, is in service. In a good way, they should be renamed, otherwise it's somehow wrong ..

No let dill in twins tears "from fierce hatred" that Russia "usurped the Kiev prince Monomakh" ...

[Insurgent]

And yet, from the category of marginal insanity (a fact from the life of the prince, of course, Ukrainian according to the Ukrainian diplomat-historian):

Ukrainian diplomat and historian Alexander Levchenko published a material on the Obozrevatel portal under the heading “Vladimir Monomakh is an Oxford graduate and the pride of the Kiev state.”

“The Grand Duke of Kiev Vladimir Monomakh was born in 1053,” the author reports, “he was the son of Pereyaslav Prince Vsevolod Yaroslavovich and the Byzantine Princess Mary of the Monomakh family. Thus, on the female side, he was a direct descendant of the ancient Roman emperors, and on the paternal side, he was the grandson of the Grand Duke of Kiev Yaroslav the Wise. ”

What ancient emperors the author has in mind is not very clear. The Macedonian dynasty of the Byzantine emperors, to which Monomakhs belong, had nothing to do with the emperors of Ancient Rome. But Mr. Levchenko is not trying to prove anything. He, as they say, does not reflect, but distributes.

The main historical sensation was made by the Ukrainian diplomat in the headline: "Vladimir Monomakh is a graduate of Oxford."

“In 1070, he marries Gita, the daughter of the English king Harold, who died in the battle with the Normans at Hastings in 1066,” sets out Levchenko’s biography of his hero. - Vladimir met Gita at a young age when he studied at Oxford. After the death of her father, Gita, her relatives moved to Sweden, from where Vladimir took her and married him. ”

As you can see, there are no "probably" and "maybe" here. Monomakh was a student at an English university - and that’s the point.

Full: https://aif.ru/politics/world/lozh_posla_levchenko_uchilsya_li_vladimir_monomah_v_oksforde

[KVU-NSVD]

Have fun thanks

[bk316]

Monomakh was a student at an English university - and that’s the point.

Well at least not American

[Insurgent]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Who usurped Vladimir Monomakh? Do they know where he comes from?
Vladimir Vsevolodovich Monomakh (other Russian: Volodimir (-mѣr) Monomakh; in the baptism of Vasily; May 1053–19, 1125) - Prince of Rostov (1066-1073), Prince of Smolensk (1073-1078), Chernigov (1078-1094), Pereyaslavsky (1094–1113), Grand Duke of Kiev (1113–1125), statesman, military leader, writer, thinker.

I don’t want to, but I’ll have to grieve you that you are wrong in determining the place of birth of the future prince, which, among other things, does not make him a “Ukrainian”, since there was no smell of Ukraine there.

He was born in the capital city of Kiev, the center of the then Kievan Rus (data below). And please note that they were not taken from some dill resource, but from a quite adequate, Russian: https://информа.рус/владимир-мономах/биография/

Childhood and adolescence

Vladimir was born in Kiev in 1053 during the lifetime of his grandfather Yaroslav the Wise. His childhood passed in Pereyaslavl, subjected to constant raids of the Polovtsy. The surviving sources make it impossible to trace the circumstances of the first years of life, but we can assume that they proceeded in the same way as other princes. At the age of 3 years, Vladimir had to undergo tonsure - this was the custom of initiating a boy from a noble family into men. Usually the father gave the child a horse and seated him on it. Then the prince was cut off a lock of hair in a sign that he had become an adult.

[Grits]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Moreover, it duplicates it. "Vladimir Monomakh" - APRKSN project Borey, is in service. On good terms, they should rename it, otherwise it is somehow wrong.

For good, tankers with the names Yuri Dolgoruky, Prince Vladimir should leave. Generalissimus Suvorov, etc. Let, confused and afraid, bastards ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Yeah, I can imagine the headlines - "Vladimir Monomakh" entered the port such and such. Oil prices went up sharply "

[Seaflame]

Not infrequently came across the "namesake" of warships in the merchant fleet and in the USSR.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Al Asad

What a name for a tanker is too cool. Like a warship

Yes, there is already one, moreover. This is to confuse the adversaries?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Al Asad

What a name for a tanker is too cool. Like a warship

The name is given by the shipowner, whatever he wants, he will give it. I liked that one of these tankers was named "Victor Konetsky".
Well, according to Afromax, what can I say, an ordinary medium tanker, there are hundreds of them in the seas and oceans. For reference in the USSR since 1975, 6 tankers of the "Crimea" type with a deadweight of 150 tons were built in Kerch. Many Afromaxes are already written off for needles, so in 000 out of 2018 tankers that shipowners decided to get rid of, 100 belong to the Aframax class, 46 - VLCC, 34 - Suezmax.
So far only assembly is being carried out at Zvezda. All devices are imported, including the power plant. The tanker is not bad, so with the initiative you guys continue to build and develop Russian shipbuilding.

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

of the 100 tankers that shipowners decided to dispose of, 46 are Aframax,

Yes, but the new ones, as I understand it, were built on purpose, with the ability to walk in high latitudes. Where the ice situation leaves much to be desired. Accompanied by an icebreaker of course.

[skipper83]

Yuri Senkevich is also a good name for the ship. The PMPV series was named after the leaders of the Primorsky Shipping Company, also worthy people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: shkiper83

Yuri Senkevich is also a good name for the ship. The PMPV series was named after the leaders of the Primorsky Shipping Company, also worthy people.

It is very beautiful.

[nycsson]

The main purpose is oil transportation !!! What can I say. Mortgaged a long time ago, probably. Again all the money down the drain .....

[Cormorants]

Russia is only engaged in the collection of the ship and the production of the middle part of the hull with holds. Almost the entire ship is made by Koreans. About engines and say no. But still, it’s at least something, jobs and the hope that over time the share of imported parts will fall.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

[Cowbra]

It turns out that the United States was not a gas station at all, and they have a panic in the country about this. What's wrong with a gas station? Here. And in the USA they know this better than us.

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

If we were not a gas station, then we have a national currency exchange rate that would not depend on the price of oil, and so everyone can clearly see what we are

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Or maybe today's assessment of the ruble and its binding to the price of oil is not the essence of the point? I am not an economist, but for some reason it seems to me that the current ruble exchange rate is crap. Maybe the ruble should be valued somehow differently?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

I am not an economist, but for some reason it seems to me that the current ruble exchange rate is crap.

The ruble exchange rate depends on how much Russia buys at an auction of dollars.

[Glory1974]

Maybe the ruble should be valued somehow differently?

Bigmack index is estimated. According to his dollar costs 35-40 rubles.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

I am not an economist, but for some reason it seems to me that the current ruble exchange rate is crap. Maybe the ruble should be valued somehow differently?

You are a little right. The course is artificially low, in favor of the owners of such tankers.

[Cowbra]

Not this way. There are a lot of criteria, by the way, the dollar is also not tied to oil. Otherwise, an unattached Yuan would cost a lot more now.

[Grits]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

Well yes. We can also bolt and weld pieces of iron brought from China and Korea.

[Cowbra]

Like this:

Well, such people call themselves Russians. Who are they? Yes, the film, "They Fought for the Motherland" -

I thought, Nekrasov, that you are a Russian person. And you, it turns out, shit of unknown nationality.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

So far, absolutely.

[ALARI]

A gas station is when they sell gasoline, and we have oil, so it's an oil pump.

[nycsson]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

Of course, everything that provides a "pipe" is developed normally ...

[Mountain shooter]

What a news!!! Both the shipyard was built and the ship was already lowered. And you can’t say that the Chinese were repainted.
A real large-capacity shipyard. And for the release of ice-class tankers. To transport oil along the NSR to both sides. From the northern fields. Nothing in this scheme is not logical. Everything is "in place" ... and our own tanker fleet ...

[donavi49]

Well, it’s actually finished the Korean . Now it came ready from Korea. The next one will be about the same way. In 4 years there will be the first one built at this shipyard.

Scope of work Stars join Korean groundwork.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: donavi49

Scope of work Stars dock to Korean backlog

I didn’t know ... well, then there was a little less enthusiasm. But still, even so ...

[user1212]

According to the bmpd blog, the actual assembly of the tanker hull took place at Zvezda. At the same time, the ship’s cargo sections were manufactured at the enterprise, and the fore and aft sections of the hull were manufactured by the South Korean company Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries in Samho-Yup (Yongam) and delivered to Big Stone by sea.
Are you lying or bmpd?

[Angelo Provolone]

Well, yes there, a little freight, a little made. No one is lying. They just don’t agree that they did a little bit at SSK.

[Interlocutor]

Half the world so ships build. The floor of the ship in one enterprise, the floor in another.

[donavi49]

I even added the film below, where they showed how they made this tanker.

BMPD correctly writes everything. The star made one small cargo section. Here on this photo you can see it. And was engaged in some configuration from external subcontractors + docking of two sections + launch of all systems.

This is generally normal. The next one will be similar, with a bit more localization. Their tanker will be delivered in 4 years. However, this tanker in Korea was also built by Star specialists, only on Hyundai. Again, watch a half-hour movie if you're interested in the shipyard and its features .

[user1212]

Quote: donavi49

I even added the film below, where they showed how they made this tanker.

I repent, not yet familiarized

Quote: donavi49

Star made one small cargo section

This is where I lose my mind
The tanker is the cargo section "with a motor" if you really simplify. What did the Star make? One of the cargo sections? All cargo sections? Or just docked ready?

[Kisa]

The news announcement is slightly superior to the event itself. Yes, it would be cheaper to lure the tank in the same place in Korea and drive the finished one. but for starters, this is enough - testing the split of all the adjacent units of the infrastructure is not an easy process, especially if the shipyard is in a clean field from scratch. there is not much enthusiasm but there is a positive direction.
I remember about 15 years ago, a hundred-thousand-year-old with STX (Hyundai's competitor) was also taken away for a month there they lived a house, they gave a house with a car, they would only be pleased to sign it. at the entrance, the patrol gave honor in the mornings to charging on a shipyard for each unit for 30 people ... then the tests started reversing the de-energization of the overspeed fade .... chaos. specialists there of course cool technicians in 2 hours opened closed the cylinder on the main. then a warranty year - 3 or 5 minor remarks, it was very nice. they then stamped the tanker for 9 months from bookmark to launch.
there was still experience with the Shanghai shipyard - it was terrible for the car - I sat there a new tanker - all these disposable refrigerators expanded and galvanized pipes flow outboard .... but it was when they started to fill them with current marks at that time It’s fashionable to haul Chinese quality, but they quickly learned, it seems, they brought it to the level, although they also started doing it on the knee ...

[Motorist]

Pussycat hello , I remember you - in March you heated the fuel to 300 ° C.

cool technics in 2 hours opened closed the cylinder on the main

What kind of engine? How many people? With a full decoupling? Did you get a piston? Even if without a piston - 2 hours sounds unrealistic.

[Kisa]

Hey. Yes, it’s not me who was warming))) there was about technology where now about ceramic spraying. I just had the same shock. If an ordinary old engine eats 380 th with a density of 0.98 and warms up to 140 then it ate shit under 600 centistokes at 50 and density 1.1 heavier than water. I had this topic about 15 years ago in certification. Right now, everything is in the opposite direction -Baltic California Gulf everywhere you have to go easy with this ecology.
The engine is the same B&W Korean license (then still separate from the MAN) without a camshaft, electronic injection then only appeared on the top of the cover, more of any hydraulic forging. After the sitrail with the Koreans, they dragged us back (each maker showed his own - the main one, boilers, cargo, refki ... chaos) and these Burmeysters, 6-8 people, opened all 6 cylinders just to show the condition of the rings (they removed the covers and unhooked the crossheads)

[Motorist]

The heaviest RMK700 needs to be heated to 160 ° C to get 10 cSt (although 15 is enough for the main one). Its density is a maximum of 1,01.

Why disassemble whole engine after running? I observed 1 cylinder, plus ram, crank and crosshead bearings; the second piston was pulled out only on demand.

By the way, B&W fell asleep in the last century (annexed by MAN), ME engines went under the MAN B&W brand (and now only MAN on the logo).

Good luck, colleague!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: donavi49

Now it came ready from Korea.

At the same time, the ship’s cargo sections were manufactured at the enterprise, and the bow and stern sections of the hull were made by a South Korean company

[Bashkirkhan]

Since the construction at the shipyard has not been completed and the full production cycle has not been worked out, competencies have not been fully acquired, the St. Petersburg tanker was built almost completely (with the exception of the small bow block of the hull) in South Korea by Hyundai Heavy Industries and with the help of the China, a floating freight transfer dock with a lifting capacity of 40000 tons was lifted to an open shipyard slipway. The bow block was assembled at the Zvezda shipbuilding complex from separate sections, which were also made in South Korea and subsequently delivered to Bolshoi Kamen. After docking the bow block with the rest of the vessel, the tanker will be launched. As new workshops open, localization will increase and competence will be developed, new personnel will be trained and trained at the shipyards of South Korea, the proportion of independently performed work will be increased, production chains will be debugged.

[orionvitt]

Quote: donavi49

Now it came ready from Korea.

The article says that Korean, only the nose and feed. But if we assume that the ship consists of a bow that smoothly passes into the stern, then yes.

[zwlad]

would it be better not to build?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Everything is "in place" ... and our own tanker fleet ...

Is it your own fleet? Here "Victor Konetsky" is flying the flag of Cyprus. I would tell a lot, but there is little room for comments.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tihonmarine

He told a lot, but there is not enough room for comments.

As an option - write an article.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Paranoid50

As an option - write an article.

I am tongue-tied, and many will not understand. If the navy was simply stupidly sawed, the WTO merchant and fish fleets were simply "derailed", and in a smart way, they take envy. In the "office" where I worked there were about 50 large-tonnage fishermen and a dozen medium-sized ones, 7 transports, 4 freezers, 2 floating bases, 2 lifeguards and a sailing ship "Kruzenshtern" and 2 cruising yachts. First, the transport and rescuers were transferred to Kaliningrad, and in the collapse of the Kruzenshtern. (All in one heap). Then the "derban" went without shame and conscience. What's in the wrong hands, what's on the line, (only during the ferries, 3 traders drowned for no reason), what they sold, what they took. But three years later the bankruptcy commission worked for the cantore, but another 15 years. But when the Kaliningrad refflot was derbanized, it was already a bestseller detective led by a former political officer and then the Head of the personnel department. Shipping companies were launched according to the same scheme. This is all in brief.

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: tihonmarine

what they sold, what they took. But three years later the bankruptcy commission worked for the cantore, but another 15 years. But when the Kaliningrad refflot was derbanized,

Well, if you hadn’t pulled it out, you would have gone to work on a 40-year-old ship now, I think not, so what are these memories in our IMF, the courts have exhausted their resources and the office has died

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Well, if you hadn’t done it, would you now go to work on a 40-year-old ship, I think not

Derbanili then in 1991, when they were 10 years old, and now it would be 40 years old. But over the past 30 years, with the operation of the fleet, it was possible to earn new ones and with interest. And surprisingly, 40 summer fishery workers are still working in Kaliningrad and Murmansk, and now they’ve miscalculated the new ones. And the Chinese who bought our BATs and Super are still working in Mauritania.

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

flying the flag of Cyprus

If the lion's share of the world merchant fleet is flying the flag of Liberia, does this make it the largest and most influential maritime power?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

If the lion's share of the world merchant fleet is flying the flag of Liberia, does this make it the largest and most influential maritime power?

And who told you that. that they need to be a powerful maritime power. They have 80% of their budget from the flag. You'd better comprehend something else, since it is extremely beneficial for ships to register under the Liberian flag. For example, a ship sailing under the flag of Liberia will pay about 10 times less contribution to the budget than if it sailed under the Russian flag, when it would have to pay 20% of income tax, 35,6% of the UST and other contributions.
TOTAL: ABOUT 80% of the profit! Hello! Tax? Who told you that shipowners are complete?
That's all the "arichmetic".

[orionvitt]

Tax evasion is an old and interesting game that is played all over the world. As for Russia, there is another, important nuance. If you take into account the latest trends in world Russophobia, incited in the West, where is the guarantee that the ship flying the Russian flag will not be arrested tomorrow in the port of Europe, at the request of some kind of Ukraine or Latvia? With them it will become. And so, the flag of Cyprus, or the same Liberia, and go all the forest. It is clear that someone else’s flag is not an order, but somewhere out of control, and somewhere not from a good life.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: orionvitt

If you take into account the latest trends in world Russophobia, incited in the West, where there is a guarantee that the ship flying the Russian flag will not be arrested tomorrow in the port of Europe

Everything is simple with you. But the talking room is one thing, and where they arrest, normal people are sitting there. The world is just working, not talking. Have you seen many innocent ships arrested?

[Seaflame]

So it is a long tradition with private shipping companies. I remember ofigel when I found out that Liberia had the largest merchant fleet, then they explained that it was more economical for a shipowner, and there were Greek, Dutch, etc. company.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What a news!!! Both the shipyard was built and the ship was already lowered. And you can’t say that the Chinese were repainted.

And here is a quote from
https://maxpark.com/community/5206/content/6919941

As the adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Andrei Belousov said at a business breakfast of the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, the Chinese have already started to work with might and main and they have a "good salary":
"From my point of view, there will be a personnel problem by a large margin. We have planned large construction projects - BAM, Transsib, ports. Who will do all this? Yesterday we were at Zvezda, they work in three shifts, all are Chinese. And they receive a good salary. Because there is not a single contractor in Primorye that could take over the job. "
Why the Russian Federation chronically has no workers in the Far East, why people are deceived there and do not pay them money, and why many Russian construction companies end up bankrupt from Putin's mega-projects, is no secret. That is the policy.
It is noteworthy that the Zvezda shipyard did not help the dead Russian mechanical engineering: all the equipment for it was ordered in China and partially in European countries. It will also not work to create on its basis its own center for the design of gas carriers. The shipyard will be only an assembly shop for the hulls of gas carriers of the South Korean company Samsung Heavy Industries. It did not work out so much with the declared import substitution that, for example, the American corporation General Electric received exclusive rights to supply propellers and auxiliary equipment (propelling-steering columns and thrusters).

[Kisa]

all this excitement with the Star I immediately had the first and main question - where did people get the specialists from - Big Stone is such a Zadrischen village 10 years ago ... in Nakhodka Vlada the giants of the PSRZ NSRZ DALZAVOD were killed, 10-20 thousand people each. the slipway of the shop is already overgrown with weeds that have not been destroyed ....
the flank of the fleet is also notable with us; under Nazdratenko, the refinery of Batma Refa began at 50 units of the mining freezing fleet

[tanki tanks]

Thank you for message. How long will the fifth be built?

[Zaurbek]

And diesel localize?

[kig]

Quote: Zaurbek

And diesel localize?

This is unlikely. Moreover, it is a dual-fuel engine, either on gas or on heavy fuel. It is necessary to buy a license, to establish production ...

[Zaurbek]

This is a smaller problem ... the main thing is to ensure the demand for such motors ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kig

It is necessary to buy a license, to establish production.

Where, in which plant?

[kig]

Quote: tihonmarine

Where, in which plant?

that's it

[zwlad]

and where do we go from the submarine. localize. only time is needed
Thanks to the "partners"

[Seaflame]

Diesels for the merchant fleet, even during the Soviet era, were mostly foreign (Vyartsilya, Sulzer, Burmeister, etc.). In Bryansk, the engines did under the MAN license, but production finally bent 15 years ago.

[donavi49]

By the way, a good film about the plant, fresh.

[seregin-s1]

The film describes the formation of stem. And I know for sure that this is the bow of the ship. Seem to be. that the Koreans did only the stern.

[Grits]

Quote: donavi49

By the way, a good film about the plant, fresh.

Thank. Instructive film. Incidentally, it is necessary to take the little son to B. Look at the plant for a stone. My uncle works as a welder there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: donavi49

By the way, a good film about the plant, fresh.

In the cinema, everything is fine, as always we are advancing, and the Germans are retreating.

[Shadow041]

Given the fall in oil prices, it would be better to repair a missile cruiser Orlan, Admiral Lazarev, stuck in the Far East, at this shipyard, since the Russian fleet is in extremely need of ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks, which the cat in the fleet of the Russian Federation, in a combat-ready condition, wept

[Angelo Provolone]

sorry you forgot to ask what would be better

[voyaka uh]

This shipyard is forbidden to use for the Navy.

[Sector]

Quote: voyaka uh

This shipyard is forbidden to use for the Navy.

And who banned?

[voyaka uh]

Owners: Chinese, Koreans. In order not to get into American sanctions.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

Owners: Chinese, Koreans. In order not to get into American sanctions.

Very little time will pass and ...

[Sector]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: voyaka uh

Owners: Chinese, Koreans. In order not to get into American sanctions.

Very little time will pass and ...

Those who all dug a hole for us will stick in it ..

[carstorm 11]

why do you think so? plans for the construction of something for the Navy were voiced in perspective almost immediately.

[Sector]

Quote: carstorm 11

why do you think so? plans for the construction of something for the Navy were voiced in perspective almost immediately.

I think so too, or "tovain" Israel, of course, knows better ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sektor

I also think so, or "tovaischu" Israel certainly know better.

Well, what is he wrong about?

[user1212]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, what is he wrong about?

And what is he right about?

[Sector]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, what is he wrong about?

Difficult question ..

Quote: user1212

And what is he right about?

They also drove into the brain ..Tut Dostoevsky can only give an answer!

[NordUral]

This is wonderful, of course, but to us, because of this proud joy, our oil across the seas will be rafted on the cheap. And gasoline is more expensive for us.

[Sector]

Quote: NordUral

This is wonderful, of course, but to us, because of this proud joy, our oil across the seas will be rafted on the cheap. And gasoline is more expensive for us.

Well, it’s not necessary in tankers, just carry oil .. The main technology was mastered, and there it will be seen what and how ..

[NordUral]

I agree on technology. But who do they benefit?

[Okolotochny]

Well, "respected" adept of the "withdrawal sect", remind me, what year did the Gas for Pipes program operate and which government lobbied and launched it? They could not produce pipes of suitable diameter.

[NordUral]

The transition to the export of oil and gas to the West is a huge mistake of the USSR.
Although, in my opinion, this was not a mistake, but a deliberate action to seize part of the oil and gas currency funds for the subsequent privatization of property after the assassination of the USSR.
And through pipes - they were not needed for the time being. They could have done it themselves, as much as they could, which most countries are still not capable of.
And one more point was in this "gas-pipes" deal - it is easier to hide what was stolen from the sale of oil and gas.
70-80s the most muddy years of our history.

[voyaka uh]

Someone smart whispered in his ear to Comrade Brezhnev that long, long
oil pipeline Friendship designed for pumping oil
from Samatlor to the Warsaw Pact countries, it is necessary to extend a little more.
To capitalist Hamburg.
And then such a dam went ... Currency, any barter and luxury goods
for the top of the CPSU, and the long-awaited consumer goods for the people.

[NordUral]

It was like that. Thawed too much into power climbed

[Okolotochny]

So plus a political bonus to this pile - Germany refused to follow US policy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sektor

Well, in tankers it’s not necessary, just carry oil.

According to you, tankers can carry both "torn kitchens" and oranges in barrels.

[Sector]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Sektor

Well, in tankers it’s not necessary, just carry oil.

According to you, tankers can carry both "torn kitchens" and oranges in barrels.

And the paratroopers, as well as through the pipes of the Nord Stream to Europe))) Joke

Quote: NordUral

The transition to the export of oil and gas to the West is a huge mistake of the USSR.
Although, in my opinion, this was not a mistake, but a deliberate action to seize part of the oil and gas currency funds for the subsequent privatization of property after the assassination of the USSR.

It is quite possible .. the USSR was a self-sufficient country and someone "cunning suggested" to sell oil gas to the west .. CURRENCY and other nishtyaki, etc. And it began!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sektor

And the paratroopers, as well as through the pipes of the Nord Stream to Europe))) Joke

I love jokes, it's more fun to live with them. Well, under the Soviet Union there were many "smart people" who decided to sell gas and oil to the West. If there were no "smart guys", then Mishka the Hunchback would not have been appointed General Secretary.

[Sector]

Quote: tihonmarine

I love jokes, it’s more fun to live with them.

Well, I also love, but to see we joked at the end of the 80s and the beginning of 90- = x

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, under the Soviet Union there were many "smart people" who decided to sell gas and oil to the West. If there were no "smart guys", then Mishka the Hunchback would not have been appointed General Secretary.

Since the time of Stalin’s death, “clever men” have been housed in every office from the “Tashkent front” ...
Here are their children and grandchildren, they explain to us on Instagram and others who we are (maliciously), those who died, children and grandchildren living in memory and honesty ..
Cruel? But indeed it is ..

[Kisa]

there are small food carriers, too, tankers carry from a vinisse of malaysis juice to beef tallow. I had a contract in Vancouver stinky animal fat Pts loaded - go through the Pacific 35 days unload in Korea - immediately ship in Indonesia storin (palm oil) and back in a circle

[Nastia makarova]

not only tankers will be built at this plant, but also icebreakers and military

[NordUral]

It would be nice, Nastia Makarova. But while the rest of the tankers from this series, and this is a long song.

[Nastia makarova]

it’s good that they are being built in our country and would be bought as before in Korea

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it’s good that they are being built in our country and would be bought as before in Korea

South Korea will be able to "shut down" the Zvezda shipyard at any moment, simply cutting off the supply of components. Whereas in the Far East, the Russian Federation does not even have its own sheet-rolling production: the only shop capable of rolling ship-based products - at the Amurstal plant - was closed as unnecessary in 2012. Vessels on Zvezda are more expensive than in Korea or other shipbuilding companies.

[Nastia makarova]

if more expensive then why build here ??? and you can turn off any production in any country

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

if more expensive then why build here ??? and you can turn off any production in any country

You don’t understand anything. Well, when everything is foreign, even the stub and the feed, but only the middle part is Russian, the American screws, the Korean engine, pumps, equipment and navigation equipment are also imported, what kind of shipyard is it, just an assembly lousy factory. For my 50 years old, I have seen enough good and bad shipyards. South Koreans and shipyards have chic and most important equipment his, and the Chinese have the same thing, you come, just happy, but with us (as always). Even the steel rolling mill was stopped at the Amur plant. And there is not a single factory at the DCK for the production of equipment, to drag everything from the western part of Russia or to buy imported. so it turns out much more expensive. Well, how did you get in?

[Nastia makarova]

no!!! it means to close this shipyard and buy ships immediately abroad, even if nothing happens

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

no!!! it means to close this shipyard and buy ships immediately abroad, even if nothing happens

Well, can you imagine what a shipyard is?

[Nastia makarova]

it's good that you do not control the development of the navy)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it's good that you do not control the development of the navy

He did not manage the development of the fleet, but managed the tanker. But I would like to ask you, "Who manages the fleet now and the development of the fleet?" And there is only one answer. The fleet and the development of the fleet are now managed by managers, journalists, economists, but not sailors. And thank God that I have nothing to do with this Caudle. Were managed.

[Nastia makarova]

money controls everything now

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

money controls everything now

Sorry, sad. But this is not so.

[Nastia makarova]

if not then why then sad

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

if not then why then sad

It's a shame for the state. I worked for 24 years with the Union. What was the fleet.

[Nastia makarova]

this will not happen anymore, in the best case, as on a star, only assembly

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

not only tankers will be built at this plant, but also icebreakers and military

Look at the official website of the SSK, everything is described there. But SSK "Zvezda" is a private enterprise, and it concludes contracts. If there is an agreement with the Ministry of Defense, then they will build whatever they order. Reference: the project to create a large-scale shipbuilding center in the Far East is being implemented by a consortium of PJSC NK Rosneft and JSC Gazprombank and JSC Rosneftegaz. Subsidiary structure of the consortium - JSC "Modern Shipbuilding Technologies" - today owns controlling stakes in JSC "Far Eastern Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair", JSC "Far Eastern Shipyard" Zvezda "and 99,99% of the authorized capital of LLC" Shipbuilding Complex "Zvezda". DTSSS, in turn, is the management company for the Zvezda Aircraft Factory.

[Sector]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

not only tankers will be built at this plant, but also icebreakers and military

I also hope for this .. And then they will start to drive for sale, like the currency is needed for payback, etc.
And still not a bad Verf for Russia! And there you will see what’s what and how ..

[Nastia makarova]

about icebreakers it was said here that there will be a contract after the complete construction of the plant

[Sector]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

about icebreakers it was said here that there will be a contract after the complete construction of the plant

Most likely it will be so, judging by the minuses of Nastya!

[Nastia makarova]

no need to pay attention to the pros or cons

[Sector]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

no need to pay attention to the pros or cons

Like no one here I know this Anastasia!
I'm afraid to let you down, but Russian women will save Russia again!

[zwlad]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

If we were not a gas station, then we have a national currency exchange rate that would not depend on the price of oil, and so everyone can clearly see what we are

the price of oil fell 2,41 times over the year; the rate to $ fell 1,12 times. yeah. directly depends

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: zwlad

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

If we were not a gas station, then we have a national currency exchange rate that would not depend on the price of oil, and so everyone can clearly see what we are

the price of oil fell 2,41 times over the year; the rate to $ fell 1,12 times. yeah. directly depends

What else has fallen from serious currencies?
Yuan? Dollar? Euro?

[zwlad]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

What else has fallen from serious currencies?
Yuan? Dollar? Euro?

Doujons for example (though not a currency)

[Dikson]

I would like to believe that the "screwdriver" assembly will not end, and "Zvezda" will independently be able to build large, serious ships for our country ..

[Angelo Provolone]

Koreans look at us like Papuans. they are gas carriers of the Arctic class, like baked cakes. everything is done from the body to the engine. full cycle. And we have put a nose and rejoice.
There used to be the concept of "shipyard". Everything was done there, both the mechanical part and the case. now they hide behind some buzzword: "shipbuilding complex", "SSK". what is behind this word is not clear. Cover one place with a fig leaf.

[zwlad]

Koreans were once also "Papuans"

[Grits]

Quote: zwlad

Koreans were once also "Papuans"

Once upon a time we were "white people". But they slipped to "Papuans" compared to Koreans

[zwlad]

Then the country was different and the people too. You have to start somewhere. As in that song "Moscow was not built right away ..."

[ALARI]

Do you believe yourself that the revival of shipbuilding in Russia will begin from this plant? We again erected the roof before the foundation. First you need engine assembly plants, steel rolling plants, production of auxiliary equipment, and only then assembly.

[zwlad]

Oddly enough, all the plants you listed in Russia will sound. I will not list everything. only on the engines where I was. in Bryansk and in Kolomna for example.
We need slipways and the development of first large-site assembly (even from imported components), this is a new technology for our industry. then localization of the components down to the materials.
a bunch of examples. for example AvtoVAZ.
aircraft construction - the first strategic bomber. (the plant really was already)
Rocket Engineering - FAU2 - P1
The road by walking

[ALARI]

Again, we get to the needle depending on imported equipment, we use it, and we will produce it later, when we master the assembly of imported components. And then why do our (expensive), buy it. Passed by. Hulls without engines still rust at the shipyard near the wall. And how many Bryansk or Kolomna diesels need to be placed in a given tanker, so that at least it moves empty?

[zwlad]

I don’t know how many of these should be placed. It is necessary to do new ones. The most important production is.

Quote: ALARI

And then why do our (expensive), buy it.

It's cheaper to do your own.

[ALARI]

It’s cheaper to do it if you already have a finished product, production, people, and if you start from scratch (like ours) then it is very very expensive.

[ALARI]

Why did we buy diesel from mana for corvettes before the age of 14, instead of upgrading production at the Star? It was cheaper and better. Until the sanctions were introduced, they did not even scratch their hedge.

[zwlad]

Partners made it clear what needs to be done by themselves. Gotta listen

[ALARI]

And the minds themselves seem dumb.

[zwlad]

Well you yourself wrote that it was more profitable to buy. So they bought it. And during this time, competencies have been lost. Restore nothing will not go anywhere. Partners do not sleep

[bk316]

Once upon a time we were "white people". But slipped to the "Papuans"

Papuan or white man is 99,9% in the head of this very person. Everyone from Mayndid to Bulgakov continued to write about this. So draw conclusions and do not speak for others.

[carstorm 11]

do you read across? Full localization of production at Zvezda will be introduced gradually and will take at least 4 years. in the same place everything seems to be written in Russian ... the plant is not yet completed. localization will be completed and increased at the same time.

[Dikson]

And with remote control, too, will win in four years? or will Korean power machines be used like that? That’s the question .. We only have gas in the country .. - For a long time, we have to transfer the fleet from fuel oil and solariums to gas .. Sheathe a power pack with sheets, this is one thing, and ship cars and mechanisms are a little different ..

[16329]

The engines there are not Korean, they are just manufactured in Korea under the MAN license, this is a new series of two-fuel two-stroke healthy cars
By the way, there was also a plant in Russia in Bryansk that produced diesel engines under the MAN license (of course, completely different engines, in my opinion small, 4-stroke)

[Nastia makarova]

one more troll !!! this is only the first one and the plant is not completed at all, icebreakers and military men and possibly an aircraft carrier will be built there

[NordUral]

And the whistles will be built, Nastia Makarova

[Nastia makarova]

read about icebreakers
http://www.sskzvezda.ru/index.php/ru/project

[NordUral]

Nastia Makarova, Tankers, icebreakers, gas carriers - everything for oligarchs.

[bk316]

Tankers, icebreakers, gas carriers - all for the oligarchs.

There is no need for oligarchs, read the dictionary.
The fact that the capitalists, so yes, of course.
They buy them build, you pay you stand.
This is how the capitalist economy works.

Yes, and the socialist is about as simple under socialism you would not have been sold the means of production, but otherwise everything is the same.

[NordUral]

The oligarchs have nothing to do with it, read the dictionary.
The fact that the capitalists, so yes, of course.
They buy them build, you pay you stand.
This is how the capitalist economy works.

Yes, and the socialist is about as simple under socialism You would not have sold the means of production, but otherwise everything is the same.

And who is it, Vladimir? And what kind of capitalists are they? Capitalists create capital, and these were stolen by themselves or their predecessors.

Highlighted in bold - the main thing that I did not like in socialism.

[16329]

They did not steal, they simply assigned them and transferred property to them, in the country they decided to build capitalism (in 1992, if you do not remember), so they had to appoint someone to be billionaires, then change one of them, add someone to their number
Those who did not get into the oligarchs do not advise them to envy, their work is hard and nervous

[NordUral]

Bikes are not interested.
Stolen and divided between their own, so more correctly. And then the natural redistribution of the loot.

Those who did not get into the oligarchs do not advise them to envy, their work is hard and nervous

What an imperative! Personally, I do not envy, I was quite satisfied with the scale of my work and the result.
And yet - do not know how to work or nerves are weak - do not climb up.

[16329]

In general, the state transferred the property through the mechanism of privatization and secured auctions.
In the process of privatization, someone got apartments, someone oil companies, and nothing to anyone, as they said in Soviet times “who studied whom”

[NordUral]

In general, the state transferred the property through the mechanism of privatization and secured auctions.
Not the state, but criminals in power.

[bk316]

Highlighted in bold - the main thing that I did not like in socialism.

Dear Eugene, this is the essence of socialism, as soon as you were sold the means of production, you would become a capitalist. In terms of some, the enemy of the Communists. Classics have proved that it is the attitude to the means of production that determines the system.

It turns out you are not for socialism, but for capitalism with a human face.
Hence the question "what kind of capitalists are they?" - All right, they are mostly gangster capitalists. For where do they get their initial capital? Of course to steal a snatch from the state There is no other place. BUT ALL COUNTRIES HAVE PASSED THROUGH IT. ALL ORIGINAL CAPITALS IN THE WORLD WERE STEALED - obtained by robbery (feudal peasantry, colonies, natural resources).
Is capitalism with a human face possible is a big question, but the capitalists who create capital will certainly appear - generations in 5 ....

And "criminals in power" - they are not criminals until it is determined by the court. And there will be no trial, because the initial capital was needed. Well, in general, wait for 5 generations ...

There is really a different way, but I’m personally afraid it’s closed to you. The new economic system is called. Kaspersky stole nothing from anyone, but a billionaire.

[NordUral]

There is really a different way, but I’m personally afraid it’s closed to you. The new economic system is called. Kaspersky stole nothing from anyone, but a billionaire.

I closed my path myself due to age and health. And I worked in free flight from the 89th. In general, it is quite successful, not without problems, of course, both large and small. And now I am having fun with what I did not do in my life.
At the moment, it has become interesting to make good acoustics for myself, which is what I am doing (the preparatory period).

And according to socialism - under Stalin this was possible and simply was. This is the kind of socialism I will support. Although state capitalism will quite suit me, it’s just not what is now in the yard in Russia.
And about Kaspersky, a good way, though his wife is there for the main thing.

[Nastia makarova]

for companies all over the world everything belongs to companies and not to the state !!!! taxes to the state and workers

[rocket757]

All in all, this is a return to great shipbuilding!
If it works out, then in 4 years they will carry out a full cycle of construction. Yes, even the "giblets" Schaub themselves did inside and out! They knew how to do everything, but it is not necessary to refuse a profitable partnership.

[NordUral]

That’s good, Victor.

[rocket757]

Thoughts are different, but I do not want to spoil the news, so be it now!

[NordUral]

Well, we will not develop the topic. Good is what works.

[bk316]

full construction cycle.

Buildings, yes. But the production? Are you ready to start making engines for such ships in 4 years?
Reactors are, of course, good, but the whole fleet cannot be made atomic.
And we won’t produce so many reactors - the capacities are full.

[rocket757]

That's right, the competencies for the construction of engines of this dimension have not been restored ... however, the USSR also bought a lot, since there were more needs than opportunities!
It is necessary to restore the full cycle, but for the volumes manufactured, I don’t even want to promise .... I have to buy from the outside. In principle, it is not critical, if only the volumes are not enough. Seriously, then no one can make a mistake .. there will be no sense in that. they can only slow down the construction.
Something like this. see how it turns out.

[Sector]

Quote: rocket757

It is necessary to restore the full cycle, but for the volumes manufactured, I don’t even want to promise .... I have to buy from the outside. In principle, it is not critical, if only the volumes are not enough. Seriously, then no one can make a mistake .. there will be no sense in that. they can only slow down the construction.
Something like this. see how it turns out.

Everything is weighed Victor explained! Hooray to shout it is definitely premature and it is not yet known who is the "Master Owner" ..
Here some "tovaischi" hinted at us, but let's see who will work for whom.
Such things are in the Russian Navy ..

[rocket757]

Such things, this is a long game, no fuss.
Work is ongoing, people are specifically busy with an important business ... just wait, not so long if you look.

[Sector]

Quote: rocket757

Such things, this is a long game, no fuss.
Work is ongoing, people are specifically busy with an important business ... just wait, not so long if you look.

The work is on and let the dogs yap, they can always be put out with a kick ..

[senima56]

"... the bow and stern sections of the hull were manufactured by the South Korean company Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries in Samho-Yup (Yongam) and delivered to Bolshoi Kamen by sea ..." so you shouldn't be particularly proud for now. When we will completely build on the "Zvezda", then it will be another matter!

[Mustachioed Georgian]

He served there urgently in B Stone in 1996, our boat stood 667A in the pentagon with the mines cut out and then dragged to Pavlovsk, there is now an abandoned base full of seams, the main work of the plant was to cut submarines with needles. as then.

[Sector]

Quote: Mustachioed Georgian

Pavlovsk was dragged, there is now an abandoned base full of seams, the main work of the plant was to cut submarines on needles. Let it be at least as it is now, and not so then.

So throughout the USSR was terribly .. Straight to the heart with a razor ..
But we managed to do something and now we are raising it, although again the howl rises "everything is lost" ..

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

We cannot accept VLCC and ULCC class tankers, therefore aframaks are the limit for our ports.

[_Ugene_]

It is specified that Zvezda's portfolio of orders includes the construction of 12 tankers of this type.

if the oil price continues to remain at that level, it will be necessary to adjust construction plans

[Rostislav]

What difference does it make and where it will carry oil!
The shipyard is working! Builds large vessels!
It is necessary to rejoice, but not to whimper.

[bk316]

It is necessary to rejoice, but not to whimper.

They do not know how ....

[Sector]

Quote: Rostislav

What difference does it make and where it will carry oil!
The shipyard is working! Builds large vessels!
It is necessary to rejoice, but not to whimper.

Yeah, we are happy .. Again they will start exporting from Russia Now tankers)))

Quote: bk316

It is necessary to rejoice, but not to whimper.

They do not know how ....

We know how to lie !!!! Let our tankers be better than foreign ones in our ports ..

[bk316]

We know how to lie !!!! Let our tankers be better than foreign ones in our ports ..

You can and can. But they already wrote to you:

Tiksi, that he is not ours all but Liberian.
And Nordural, that he is not ours but the oligarchs.
And Ivanov, which is very bad because all oil will be taken to China.

Get used to you.

[Sector]

Quote: bk316

We know how to lie !!!! Let our tankers be better than foreign ones in our ports ..

You can and can. But they already wrote to you:

Tiksi, that he is not ours all but Liberian.
And Nordural, that he is not ours but the oligarchs.
And Ivanov, which is very bad because all oil will be taken to China.

Get used to you.

You get used to it son ..! You think you’ve taken over the site and you can scream everything .. Well, well!

[Radical]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

It turns out we are not quite bezakolonka?

Of course not. We are an oil well!

[Scharnhorst]

In four years, they will fully master assembly of buildings using Korean (probably the best in the world) technologies; go to the icebreaker hulls (put a nuclear motor in); in liberated St. Petersburg, nuclear destroyers will begin to be built; after the icebreakers in the Big Stone, the first aircraft carrier will be laid ... - Well, as I see, as a free artist, do not offend!

[Taoist]

Not, of course, an achievement ... at least somehow ... True, compared with 1974, it somehow does not look ...
"Tanker" Crimea "- project 1511, supertanker, steam turbine ship, class of the Register of the USSR R 4/1 (oil). Developed by the Central Design Bureau" Baltsudoproekt ", built at the shipyard" Zaliv ", launched in 1974. The lead ship in a series of 6 similar tankers built between 1975 and 1980.
Length - 295 m, width - 45 m, side height - 25,4 m, draft - 17 m, deadweight - 150 tons, carrying capacity - 500 tons, speed 143 knots, steam turbine capacity - 250 thousand liters. from. Autonomy 15,5 days. The full fuel supply - 30 tons provides a cruising range of up to 80 thousand miles (practically around the globe). The crew - 9250 people [25] is accommodated in single cabins, total of 36 cabins. From the public areas there is a dining room, a wardroom, smoking rooms, a library, a workshop for individual lessons, a gym, a sports ground and an outdoor swimming pool. There is a passenger lift in the superstructure of the ship. "

[Seaflame]

By the way, the first pancake was lumpy, the series of the first Soviet supertankers turned out to be unsuccessful. The steam turbine installation turned out to be problematic. Most of their exploitation they were not on the go .. Experience son of difficult mistakes.

[zwlad]

Quote: Sektor

Yeah, we are happy .. Again they will start exporting from Russia laughing Now by tankers)))

But for the transportation of brainless neighbors do not have to pay