But the rocket could also hit the US Navy ship: Captain 1st rank about the case at the Iranian Navy exercises

The Iranian command confirmed the fact that the missile launched during the exercises from the frigate "Jamaran" hit the auxiliary vessel of the Iranian Navy.

If initially it was reported that on board the ship hit by a rocket Konarak two people were killed, then over time, the Iranian Navy reported the death of at least 19 Iranian sailors. The ship, as previously reported by the Military Review, has sunk.

In connection with the incident in the waters of the Gulf of Oman, where a group of Iranian naval ships conducted exercises, various versions of what happened are expressed.

Especially for Military Review, the incident was commented on by Captain 1 rank, member of the expert council of the All-Russian organization Russian Officers, Vasily Dandykin.

Military expert:

Of course, here it is necessary to consider the issue of training crews and organizing military exercises. But I want to say that this is far from an isolated case. Unfortunately, the same thing happened with us - in the Pacific navyon the Black Sea.

Vasily Dandykin notes that there is some degree of probability that the enemy’s electronic warfare systems (EW) could work.

Captain 1st rank:

But here it is preparation, periodicity and intensity of military exercises that comes to the fore. This is preparation from the ship to the group of ships, when everything is trained and brought almost to automatism. Otherwise, disruptions happen. Now, of course, there will be a debriefing in the Iranian Navy.

Vasily Dandykin notes that the missiles hit their own ship (for the Iranian Navy), but a different character could have happened:

Can you imagine if the rocket deviated and fell into another ship. She could get into the US ship, watching the maneuvers, or some other. There is not much room for training with intensive firing, and therefore anything could happen, since there are many ships there.

According to the expert, in the first place in this situation, he personally identifies a failure in the management of exercises in the crew information system.

At the same time, the technical factor can play an important role - the state of the missiles, which carried out live firing.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

These are real teachings. In the exercises, a practical (training) rocket with an inert warhead is used. The rocket demolished the superstructure, but he stayed afloat.

[LeonidL]

Beat your own - then the strangers for the whole case will scatter around so as not to fall under the distribution of the case! Well, the training is excellent both for the calculations of the racketeers and for the calculation of the ultimate goal ... emergency parties, rescuers, doctors ... tug teams, finally! The tugboat worked perfectly! Rocketeers for sure! The emergency team is great! ... Everyone is free - the exercises with live firing are over!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: LeonidL

Beat your own - then the strangers for the whole case will scatter around so as not to fall under the distribution of the case! Well, the training is excellent both for the calculations of the racketeers and for the calculation of the ultimate goal ... emergency parties, rescuers, doctors ... tug teams, finally! The tugboat worked perfectly! Rocketeers for sure! The emergency team is great! ... Everyone is free - the exercises with live firing are over!

Isn’t too many dead for firing practice just one missile ??? !!!!

[LeonidL]

Nikolay! Do you have a sense of humor?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: LeonidL

Sense of humor

this is not your horse !!

[svp67]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

The rocket demolished the superstructure, but he stayed afloat.

The Ukrainian steamer "Vereshchagino" decided to take a shortcut through the "closed squares" ... there, "where no one else has just slipped through."

[Vladimir61]

It is better to understand what happened, it is only possible with the presence of a scheme for the deployment of all ships, in this square, Iranian and others. Not in vain, Vasily Dandykin, also mentioned electronic warfare equipment, which means that data on the work of these funds are also needed. And so, only general assumptions about the unprofessional actions of the crew or a technical malfunction. Standard versions of any incident.

[military_cat]

It is necessary to look for who benefits. It certainly was not beneficial for Iran.

[Arpad]

Quote: military_cat

It is necessary to look for who benefits. It certainly was not beneficial for Iran.

So it was not profitable for them to shoot down a Ukrainian plane.
Now any lack of professionalism can be brought under the theory of conspiracy - but like who benefits from it.
Reminds

[military_cat]

Quote: Arpad

So it was not profitable for them to shoot down a Ukrainian plane.

This you very rightly noticed. And not only you. Many observers, including Westerners, noticed this too: https://topwar.ru/166992-zapadnye-smi-gibel-samoleta-mau-v-irane-pohozha-na-specoperaciju-ssha.html

[kjhg]

Friendly fire during exercises is not uncommon even with us.
And during hostilities, this is generally common. In only one four-day war 08.08.08. how many of our planes were shot down by "friendly fire"? Three? Four?

[LeonidL]

Exercises in conditions as close to combat as possible. This is so that the service does not seem to be honey!

[Cowbra]

Well, anything happens. You must admit that Ukraine, for example, was clearly unprofitable for Tochka-U getting into a residential building in Brovary, but they did, and obviously there were no electronic warfare systems working there. We, in the Russian Federation, also happened, for example, as an MLRS shell flew out of the range and grunted on the road. Alas, this happens ...

[military_cat]

Maybe you and the version that the Malaysian Boeing was shot down by mistake when you wanted to shoot down the Ukrainian transport, you also admit?

[abvgdeika]

Well, the Malaysian Boeing was shot down exactly by mistake

[Cowbra]

Or, at about the same time, Putin was flying on a plane, was it just that he hadn’t bitten a pan and was flying over Kholopiya, unlike the Ukrainian fools at Buk’s consoles?

Quote: military_cat

Maybe you and the version that the Malaysian Boeing was shot down by mistake when you wanted to shoot down the Ukrainian transport, you also admit?

[military_cat]

Quote: Cowbra

Or, at about the same time, Putin was flying on a plane, was it just that he hadn’t bitten a pan and was flying over Kholopiya, unlike the Ukrainian fools at Buk’s consoles?

And you want to say that if the potters thought they had shot down Putin’s side, they would not have announced it publicly? And what Russia began to accuse of all the irons even before the Boeing fell to the ground, you are also not at all worried?

[Cowbra]

Quote: military_cat

would they not have announced it publicly?

I am sure they had no options. The downed board number 1 - the war with the Russian Federation without options, and they were dumb even in the Crimea to meddle - they were aware of the consequences. Therefore, for ykra, the only way out in such a situation is to yell about the Hiley likes, these Russian invaders shot their president themselves. Option - I will not say that reinforced concrete is reasoned, but let's say - at least

[military_cat]

No one in Russia would ever believe them. Therefore, they really did not have any options, except for one thing - not even thinking about trying to bring down board number 1.

[Cowbra]

And what has it to do with "did not believe in Russia"? It is not designed for the Russian Federation. Exactly like the fiercely phony curve of the bike, for example, about spies with ricin in Poland) The logic is at zero, but the whole world community can yell Hiley Likes, and even unite in front of the threat of Russian aggression - well, the carts would ride on a tank to the Carpathians - so the threat, you bastards knocked down their president and built a complete aggression! And whoever in Europe would believe this - those who now believe that the Russian spy was found to have ricin with him, I wonder how, but at the same time they did not bandage him even for having an agent with him at the airport. It’s like I’ll get the baggage, send it to the police station, shake it, and the cops will say - "oh-wey, terrible shpien, we can’t arrest, this is the very GUGSH" Bullshit, but they believe.

[military_cat]

If the horses were capable of such a provocation, they would not have been draping in the Crimea like they were draping, dropping an unknown substance from their pants on the go. Shoot down board number 1 requires much greater courage.

[Cowbra]

Quote: military_cat

when you wanted to bring down the Ukrainian transport, too, admit?

By the way, why "do not allow". First, even purely theoretically, on the part of the militia behind Buk. if there was a Buk - only "winds" could sit, and not salabons with round eyes - they simply won't be sent, but the pros. Pros would simply not allow such a jamb. But the air defense is coming out of such a jamb with the flight Tel Aviv - St. Petersburg, so you can believe it. And in general, judging by how the Buk before the parade is Ukrainian, yes, he cut into the wall of the shopping center, there they still get Banderlog into the carriages, and that's a jamb from them - not just let's say, it's predictable! This is NOT a pro.

[military_cat]

The same question as above. If there was a mistake, why did they begin to blame Russia before the Boeing fell to the ground? Why did Western officials immediately join these charges? And a bonus - why did the American Keyhole spy satellite hang over the crash site and why haven't anyone seen pictures of it so far? Are there too many coincidences?

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: military_cat

why Russia began to blame yet before the Boeing fell to the ground?

Who! The voices in your head?

[Avior]

A hanging satellite is a new word in space technology.

[Cyril G ...]

Because they themselves shot down and immediately blamed Russia, This is so in Anglo-Saxon. The style is felt ...

[bayard]

Quote: military_cat

The same question as above. If there was a mistake, why did they begin to blame Russia before the Boeing fell to the ground? Why did Western officials immediately join these charges? And a bonus - why did the American Keyhole spy satellite hang over the crash site and why haven't anyone seen pictures of it so far? Are there too many coincidences?

All this is because this special operation was the work of not Ukrainian, but American special services. And the American pepper that was responsible for the Buk "borrowed" from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Ukrainian SBU grazed very tightly (he even complained to his leadership) and even conducted an unofficial search in his hotel room ... And then leaked this information through social networks - for the sake of self-cleaning, so as not to take on such things ...
There was also an aircraft technician from Dnepropetrovsk, who heard the words of the pilot who shot down the Boeing: "The plane turned out to be the wrong one," and there were dozens of witnesses who watched that the Boeing was shot down not by the Buk, but by planes - one fighter hit from the Boeing echelon, and the second - attack aircraft Su-25, finishing it off during the fall from medium to low heights in pursuit.
But the Glavnyuki agreed to talk nonsense about "yard, stake and bast" \ pardon - about Beech, so they are talking this mantra.
Well, yes, if it is more convenient for everyone, let it be the Ukrainian Buk, which may have fired, but only that no one saw it, and it might not have hit the plane ... or damaged it enough. So they insured themselves by airplanes ... Not even an hour before Russia would have lasted, and fell there ... The investigation would have been conducted by Russia itself ...
But the "ensign" said "Buk" means "Buk".
It’s easier to write off chance with him.

[your1970]

the commission was quiet in the Netherlands ... they got stuck with damaging elements and turnips are now scratched?

[Cyril G ...]

No, of course, she aimed at the Malaysian, because they knew what it was, they hit him ...

[Red Dragon]

So shot down by mistake. Beech near Snowy. Do you have any doubts?

[AllBiBek]

Yes, I remember this incident.
In the Leningrad region in 2009 seem.
And even fell on the hood of an SUV.

The aunt turned out to be at the wheel, for which she could not read, although prohibitive warning signs about military exercises hung in a multitude.

[abvgdeika]

I suspect that after all, NATO soldiers

[nikon7717]

The set of versions includes all the major ones. I’m interested in this rocket and Iran’s ships do not use friend or foe recognition. Or what conditions were there at startup. Without insurance.

[mitroha]

Reminded.
"-The rocket has gone .." © "Features of the national fishing"

In principle, caperang reasonably outlined possible causes:
Human factor
EW operation
The technical condition of the rocket
What matters here is not so much the fact of the incident as the conclusions from what happened and the adoption of measures to prevent this from happening in the future.

[KVU-NSVD]

Can you imagine if the rocket deviated and fell into another ship. She could get into the US ship, watching the maneuvers, or some other. There is not much room for training with intensive firing, and therefore anything could happen, since there are many ships there.

Of course, Kaperanga knows better., But a non-Iranian ship could get hit by a rocket only through its own fault - the notice of closing the firing area for navigation was certain and popping there could only be at your own peril and risk. Generally rubbed in the target area - a bad omen .. checked ...

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

According to international standards, conducting exercises of this level with shooting should be informed.

[tlauicol]

650 tons. healthy boat

[Yaro Polk]

"But the missile could have hit a US Navy ship: Captain 1st Rank about a case at an Iranian Navy exercise."
The Iranians would say that this is force majeure, the Americans would have wiped themselves off, and would have sailed further ..

[abvgdeika]

It’s hard for the Persians to tell the truth !! But we still believe them from the first word

[A. Privalov]

Vasily Dandykin notes that there is some degree of probability that the enemy’s electronic warfare systems (EW) could work.

In other words, the respected expert assumes that the Americans with "some degree of probability" turned the Iranian missile onto their own Iranian boat? Cool!

Here's what I tell you, there is no need to come up with difficulties where there are simple solutions and to blame the mistakes of the cranked Iranian missiles on the machinations of electronic warfare by malicious Americans.

[abvgdeika]

He just veiledly admires the professionalism of the evil Americans

[Charik]

Amazingly veiled anulingist

[Kurare]

Quote: A. Privalov

That's what I tell you, there is no need to come up with difficulties where there are simple solutions ...

As far as I understand, they were voiced probable versions of the incident, and the use of electronic warfare is one of them. Dandykin correctly commented that during the investigation, one version after another will be discarded until they find the reason.

[sabakina]

In fact, Alexander, what does America have to do with it? Well, the tanned guys sang their REP. Well, the Iranian missile went crazy with this REP. And where is the electronic warfare?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: sabakina

In fact, Alexander, what does America have to do with it?

In fact, Vyacheslav, did you somewhere in the texts of messages about this incident mention the American ships located directly in the training zone? Somehow I did not come across.

[sabakina]

Alexander, a gopher is sitting behind you.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: sabakina

Alexander, a gopher is sitting behind you.

Gopher laughs in an uncomfortable mink.
A bug overturned.
Laughing a hedgehog, rushing along the hill,
I’ve moved completely off the coils, freak!
Birds fly in strange circles
And the filly neighs with foam from his mouth.
The centipede jumps.
From laughter, tears pour down at the mole.
Squirrels laugh and fall from the trees.
The owl laughs funny in the hollow.
Laughs a rook until feathers fall out.
And a fly with a cricket tipsy.
Grasshoppers are laughing in the grass somewhere,
A mouse, a snake, a lizard and aphids ...
Iran hit its boat with its own rocket ...
Hemp fields were burning ...

[fider]

A. Privalov
"Iran knocked out its boat with its own missile ..."
I would replace this line:
"Iran was killed by its own missile ..." and further in the text.

[Normal ok]

Quote: A. Privalov

Here's what I tell you, there is no need to come up with difficulties where there are simple solutions and to blame the mistakes of the cranked Iranian missiles on the machinations of electronic warfare by malicious Americans.

Occam's razor is a hoax from the world behind the scenes. Conspirology is our FSO

[Ural Cossack]

To do this, they drowned their tin can. To beware. And to blame the intentional situation for a mistake

[Graz]

Iranian military personnel have a low level of training, as is the case with the Ukrainian plane

[BARKAS]

Did the American ship continue to observe, or did it move away after the incident just in case?

[NordUral]

notes that there is some likelihood that the enemy’s electronic warfare (EW) systems could work.

And you don’t need to go to the grandmother. If not redirecting at all.

[Miron]

U, not only did it hit, the US ships would sink, that's all.
And everything would be very good.
Do not swim near Iran, US captains. Or you will all drown.

[vladcub]

And America has free hands! Does Iran need it?

[vladcub]

In my opinion, this is a confluence of circumstances: 1 hand-handedness, 2) preparation for exercises, 3) possibly "outside" interference ..

[tlauicol]

the Swedes trained the other day. 6 volley launches with decomp. carriers

[Old26]

Quote: Yaro Polk

"But the missile could have hit a US Navy ship: Captain 1st Rank about a case at an Iranian Navy exercise."
The Iranians would say that this is force majeure, the Americans would have wiped themselves off, and would have sailed further ..

Well, if the Americans were drunk or sleeping (or better, both at the same time) - they could. A subsonic missile traveling at an altitude of 50-120 meters is not a target that is difficult to hit ...

[shonsu]

Well, if you hit the Americans, there would be a lot of stench. But another time would be watched from afar. From satellites for example. )))

[Old26]

Quote: shonsu

Well, if you hit the Americans, there would be a lot of stench. But another time would be watched from afar. From satellites for example. )))

It is unlikely. Well, the Americans were not watching from a distance in a pair of cable. In addition, for sure, the US Navy ships were in readiness. And to shoot down a subsonic missile, going at an altitude of 50-120 meters - not such a problem