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Parse video 54 Ombre Armed Forces of Armed Forces with shelling the position of the NM DNR

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Parse video 54 Ombre Armed Forces of Armed Forces with shelling the position of the NM DNR

The Ukrainian side once again publishes direct evidence of a ceasefire violation in the Donbass. We are talking about the video material that was published by the K2 group, which belongs to the 54th Armed Forces brigade.


The video demonstrates the shooting, which is carried out from a Ukrainian drone hovering over one of the positions of the DPR People’s Police.

Parsing video


If you disassemble the presented video, it opens up a lot of important details. For example, the DPR NM dugout is shown, in the trenches and passages of which, as is clearly seen in the frames, there is no one. This is important, since the Ukrainian side claims to have delivered a “retaliatory strike” after “Ukrainian territories were fired from there”. What armament could NM DPR use to fire at Ukrainian territories? .. There are definitely no heavy weapons at the positions of the Republican People’s Police.

A mortar fire is being adjusted from the Ukrainian drone.

A minute after the start of the shelling, in frames you can see a man who runs along the trench, and then ... disappears. It "disappears" thanks to the gluing of fragments. A frank video editing appears.

In total, over a dozen shots were fired at the position. At the same time, numerous funnels from previous shelling by the Ukrainian side are visible. What’s called a shot.

The new video striking the territory of the DPR, as well as traces of old craters are eloquent evidence that the Ukrainian side is not going to comply with the ceasefire in particular, or the Minsk agreements in general.

It is noteworthy that in the 54th Armed Forces of Ukraine the Armed Forces of Ukraine declare "liquidation of three militants" (the "Ukrainian militants" continue to be called representatives of the Liberal Democratic Party of Lithuania). On the basis of which the conclusions were drawn that the Donetsk people's militia suffered precisely such losses (if any) at the positions, it is not clear.

Another important detail. The shelling continues for several minutes. This suggests that the DPR NM did not respond to the shelling from this or any other position, observing the ceasefire. How appropriate such compliance is in this situation is an open question. However, the video presented by the Armed Forces of Ukraine should be additional evidence of violation of the agreements reached by the Ukrainian side. I would like this video to be taken apart by the OSCE SMM as well.



In Donetsk, regular shelling of the republic’s territory is associated with the fact that these days the LPR and DPR are celebrating their 6th birthday. May 11, 2014 in the republics held referendums on self-determination. Acts on state independence of the young republics were supported by the majority of citizens who came to polling stations.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 May 2020 12: 24 New
    +7
    Yes, a running man disappeared ... Well, this gluing was most likely done so as not to tire the audience with a "loss" in the time of adjusting the fire.
    A sensible opornik built ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 12: 35 New
      20
      In Donetsk, regular shelling of the republic’s territory is associated with the fact that these days the LPR and DPR are celebrating their 6th birthday. May 11, 2014 in the republics held referendums on self-determination. Acts on state independence of the young republics were supported by the majority of citizens who came to polling stations.


      Thanks to the Military Review that even in this context they mentioned that today in the DPR Republic Day.

    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 12: 43 New
      26
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      A sensible opornik built ...

      All with a hump, and bloody calluses of the militia-poor fellow, all "in hand-to-hand" and dig the earth, and haul logs. Under shelling ...
      And the guys died like that. Unrequitedly ...
  2. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 May 2020 12: 28 New
    +7
    knock out the wedge ... stop talking ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Pvi1206
      knock out the wedge ... stop talking ...

      1. Fevralsk. Morev
        Fevralsk. Morev 11 May 2020 15: 01 New
        -11
        If our government kept its savings in Sberbank of Russia, had dachas in the suburbs and taught its children in Russian universities, there was no war in the Donbas. A story would go down in history: a referendum, polite people, a new region within the Russian Federation. And so, the owner of an Italian villa, batters bespontovye show-offs for Zaputinians.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 12 May 2020 08: 34 New
          -1
          If our government kept its savings in Sberbank of Russia, had dachas in the suburbs and taught its children in Russian universities, there was no war in the Donbas. A story would go down in history: a referendum, polite people, a new region within the Russian Federation. And so, the owner of an Italian villa, batters bespontovye show-offs for Zaputinians.

          the whole Crimean peninsula does not fit into your "slim" scheme. His joining was not prevented by villas, children and savings? Find a new fan to distribute your content.
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 May 2020 12: 34 New
    15
    The most disgusting thing is that the evidence of non-compliance with the Minsk agreements on the part of the skakuas will be enough for a dozen execution articles. But the owners of the "tseevropeytsy" (slaves toilets) protect with all their might. But Russia is called a "party to the conflict", although no one anywhere has been able to prove the presence of Russian troops in the Donbas.
    Really some kind of freak circus.
    1. Birch
      Birch 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
      -2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      The most disgusting thing is that the evidence of non-compliance with the Minsk agreements on the part of the skakuas will be enough for a dozen execution articles. But the owners of the "tseevropeytsy" (slaves toilets) protect with all their might. But Russia is called a "party to the conflict", although no one anywhere has been able to prove the presence of Russian troops in the Donbas.
      Really some kind of freak circus.

      Does something surprise you in this political situation? Who is in power, look and everything will be clear to you .. I'm tired of explaining it already ...

      Ukraine is Syria, etc.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 11 May 2020 12: 44 New
        +1
        Birch Today, 12:40
        Ukraine is Syria, etc.
        ??????? and this is where)) // ?????
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 14: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Birch
        Who is in power, look and everything will be clear to you .. I'm tired of explaining it already ..

        "Our people.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2020 12: 52 New
      -25
      So Russia supports the DPR, which means that in the direction of the conflict, just like the USA supports Ukraine
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 11 May 2020 13: 08 New
        15
        Is the USA recognized as a party to the conflict?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 May 2020 13: 10 New
          -12
          Their allies? No
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 May 2020 14: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Kronos
        as well as the USA supports Ukraine

        And what does the USA have to do with it, has it already become a state adjacent to Ukraine? Or maybe the whole history of Ukraine is connected with the history of the United States? Or maybe Ukrainian and American, brothers forever?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 May 2020 12: 39 New
    12
    Judging by the condition of the craters (many overgrown with grass) the shelling is not the first and is periodically carried out by the Ukrainian side. It is useless for the OSCE to show and explain anything, as when they don’t want to see, they don’t see. Representatives of LDNR have repeatedly stated that they have to respond to arrogant shelling (especially civilians) in order to suppress enemy firing points. Therefore, the positional war continues.
  5. alone
    alone 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
    10
    Yes .. there’s a gluing .. This is editing because they didn’t set the whole shooting .. Usually they have such shots for 6-8 minutes .. Cut, pasted, left what they needed .. Nobody is interested in shooting the minbat, flights, shortages .. Left one hit on the position.
    As for the heavy weapons, now no one in the parapet holds them open ... everything is in fortified positions .. in the Dota in the Dzoti ... The infantry is in the dugouts, as the BLPA must have noticed ..
    As for the losses, it’s hard to say anything .. The proof could have been the shooting of the evacuation of the wounded or dead .. But there are no such personnel ..
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 01 New
      14
      Quote: lonely
      . The infantry in the dugouts, as they probably noticed the BLPA ..

      I will say this:

      Dugouts - It’s not always possible to rely on them as reliable shelters, since with the delivery of materials to positions, and this is almost always hump-arms-legs , Problems. Therefore, often dugout, this is what was blinded from what was ...

      UAV - Based on certain properties of shelters (described earlier), sometimes, and sometimes often, it is better to try to "drive away" the drone from the position with fire, thereby preventing it from adjusting the fire.
      I’ll note right away that both dill and oursvalue a lot not cheap drones, and at the first sign of fire on them, they are immediately taken away, in order to avoid loss ...
      1. alone
        alone 11 May 2020 13: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        Dugouts

        I understood ... But, even if it’s dilapidated, it’s at least some kind of shelter .. Agree that this is better than standing open when fired by mortars .. Judging by the positions they are made of, these are quite normal field fortifications. . I think that the dugouts are appropriate ..
        Quote: Insurgent
        UAV

        Well, it depends on what altitude the BLPA flies .. Often it’s impossible to drive it away with conventional fire weapons .. It seems to us that it does not fly low .. The control panel allows you to bring the shooting closer, even if it flies high ..
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 13 New
          +9
          Quote: lonely

          Well, it depends on what altitude the BLPA flies .. Often it’s impossible to drive it away with conventional fire weapons .. It seems to us that it does not fly low .. The control panel allows you to bring the shooting closer, even if it flies high ..

          Again, it matters which UAV is used. If this is some kind of specialized UAV - this is one thing, and if a civilian "Phantom-2", and even with a lousy battery, then it is completely different.

          Fortunately, we didn’t often have to deal with specialized UAVs, but quadrocopters and “wings” of the civilian segment of use are often.
          1. alone
            alone 11 May 2020 13: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            Fortunately, we didn’t often have to deal with specialized UAVs, but quadrocopters and “wings” of the civilian segment of use are often.

            Judging by the filming, this is a very specialized BLPA .. And not some kind of child prodigy with a video camera
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 20 New
              +9
              Quote: lonely

              Judging by the filming, this is a very specialized BLPA .. And not some kind of child prodigy with a video camera

              How do you like that civilian version wunderwafele with 4K video and excellent stabilization?

              1. alone
                alone 11 May 2020 13: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: Insurgent
                How do you like this civilian version of "wunderwafe" with 4K video and excellent stabilization?

                If it was a child prodigy, they would have shot him down .. This one that K2 flies too high for conventional means ..
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 27 New
                  +8
                  Quote: lonely
                  If it was a child prodigy, they would have shot him down .. This one that K2 flies too high for conventional means ..

                  Well ... Here I, no matter how much I did not fire at the "wunderwaffle" (as you put it), but I did not shoot down one, and my colleagues too ...
                  To drive away - they drove away, but they did not have to "knock out" a single one. Since it only seems that it is so easy to hit the drone from a submachine gun, and they fall every God's day on our positions like autumn leaves ...
                  1. alone
                    alone 11 May 2020 13: 41 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Well ... Here I, no matter how much I did not fire at the "wunderwaffle" (as you put it), but I did not shoot down one, and my colleagues too ...
                    To drive away - they drove away, but they did not have to "knock out" a single one. Since it only seems that it is so easy to hit the drone from a submachine gun, and they fall every God's day on our positions like autumn leaves ...

                    Yes, and we know how difficult it is to knock him down ... but you can drive him away, just like you recognized it .. Yes and not always he can fly over his head .. Look at the moment the projectile first hits the trench ... It is too high for the wunderwafer ..this is a professional reconnaissance BLPA ...
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 45 New
                      +6
                      Quote: lonely
                      this is a professional reconnaissance blpa ...

                      The reconnaissance drone (spotter), as far as I remember, displays a "sighting mark", with a number of auxiliary scales ...
                      Therefore, your argument, I consider it not sufficiently reasoned and convincing ...
                      1. alone
                        alone 11 May 2020 13: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        The reconnaissance drone (spotter), as far as I remember, displays a "sighting mark", with a number of auxiliary scales ...
                        Therefore, your argument, I consider it not sufficiently reasoned and convincing

                        Not forever ... We had such drones that had no sighting marks and raised them to 4-5km .. And the image is in full view
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 49 New
                        +9
                        Quote: lonely
                        Not forever ... We had such drones that had no sighting marks and raised them to 4-5km .. And the image is in full view

                        I do not want to get involved in an empty polemic.
                        But even this video from the dill UAV (whatever it may be) shows all the flaws of the situation ...
                      3. alone
                        alone 11 May 2020 13: 51 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        But even this video from the dill UAV (whatever it may be) shows all the flaws of the situation ...

                        Naturally ... But what if the APU would not use 82mm, but 120mm? Or the D-30? 100 losses would not have cost without loss
                      4. 113262a
                        113262a 11 May 2020 14: 25 New
                        +3
                        Flight altitude visually-300 meters, not more. BUT! If you didn’t notice or drive away the drone BEFORE the shelling starts, after its start it is almost impossible! That one of the two — or sitting in a shelter — but it is usually blocked by drawers from the Grads filled with earth — or hammered into shelling and trying to shoot the drone. What OOO is very stressful! And for an amateur! To fall from 300 meters into a meter target, which not only hangs, but maneuvers ... You won’t get enough tracers, and their source will be put out right away. Even if after 2, after three, then a lot.
                      5. alone
                        alone 11 May 2020 14: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: 113262
                        If you didn’t notice or drive away the drone BEFORE the shelling starts, after its start it is almost impossible!

                        That's right ..
                        Quote: 113262
                        You won’t get enough tracers, and their source will be put out right away. Even if after 2, after three, then a lot.

                        Undoubtedly ..

                        And about 300m ... we had a BLPA, which we lifted by 4km, While circling over an object we approached pictures as if we were shooting from 200m ... BLPA was Israeli ...
                      6. 113262a
                        113262a 11 May 2020 14: 54 New
                        +1
                        This is hardly Israeli, rather the same PHANTOM. WITH GOU PRO.
                      7. alone
                        alone 11 May 2020 14: 57 New
                        +1
                        Quote: 113262
                        This is hardly Israeli, rather the same PHANTOM. WITH GOU PRO

                        It may well be .. To argue which brand BLPA is pointless. But quite high-quality shooting
  • Hog
    Hog 11 May 2020 12: 40 New
    +6
    Well, with a six year old then!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Hog
      Well, with a six year old then!

      Thank you!
  • Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible 11 May 2020 12: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    although no one was able to prove the presence of Russian troops in the Donbass anywhere.

    LDNR was organized and does not exist at the expense of the Russian troops, but because we are nearby and did not allow the Kiev regime to drive the rink through the republics. That is the point. And about the presence of troops, etc. - just idle talk.
    The problem is that Crimea was accepted, but the republics were left in limbo .. but they, like Crimea, wanted to go to Russia
    1. yfast
      yfast 11 May 2020 13: 37 New
      -5
      Part wanted, part not. Perhaps the insufficient part.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 11 May 2020 13: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: yfast
        Part wanted, part not. Perhaps the insufficient part.

        What are you talking about now?
        1. yfast
          yfast 11 May 2020 14: 31 New
          -1
          When Crimea was all protruding parts of the body for joining, Donbass and Lugansk were not so. At that time I spoke remotely with the people living there, and I got the impression.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 12 May 2020 07: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: yfast
            When Crimea was all protruding parts of the body for joining, Donbass and Lugansk were not so. At that time I spoke remotely with the people living there, and I got the impression.

            Everything is clear ... From the phrase "Donbass and Lugansk", you can clearly see your level of awareness of Donbass as something amorphous, which is not surprising against the background of obtaining information through "remote communication", do not understand with whom ...
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 11 May 2020 16: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: yfast
        Part wanted, part not. Perhaps the insufficient part.

        There, the question of any accession to Russia was not raised at all. They just wanted to separate from banderlogs and become independent.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 May 2020 14: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Incomprehensible
      The problem is that Crimea was accepted, but the republics were left in limbo .. but they, like Crimea, wanted to go to Russia

      I think that you are wrong. Initially, they didn’t want to go to Russia, but simply separate from Ukraine into independent republics
      The only question in two languages ​​(Russian and Ukrainian) was submitted to the referendum: “Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk People's Republic?”
      Two possible answers were offered: “Yes”, “No”
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 May 2020 12: 47 New
    +3
    Parsing video

    If you disassemble the video presented, ....
    And for what? request And so it is clear and understandable who is shelling the positions of the territory of the DPR.
  • alone
    alone 11 May 2020 12: 47 New
    +6
    Author, change the number 56 on the heading to 54 ... the K2 group operates as part of the 54th brigade ..
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  • Topol M
    Topol M 11 May 2020 12: 57 New
    +3
    They gave the Minsk cattle a respite for the cattle, it was necessary then to destroy these geeks and take our lands from time to time. And to hell with this Hohland, if only Poles with Hungarians and Romanians would help. And there would be left from them zemlyots in the region of Cherkasy, Kiev and another 1 * 2 m, and now they will dissolve the DPR with the LPR this betrayal
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 May 2020 13: 11 New
    +7
    What can I say? The video is of course with signs of installation. They beat very accurately. Most likely from a single mortar - this is indicated by the intervals between the gaps and the fact that all arrivals are almost at one point. Accurateity says that meteo for artillery is issued at ukrov and they can count corrections for it (or sighting shots are not shown). The caliber is most likely 82mm. Most likely the shooting was not within the framework of some kind of operation - otherwise they would have been beaten with a battery using a fan to cover the entire strong point, and not at one point, which in fact cannot suppress this strong point. Conclusion - a provocation with a single mortar, a qualified calculation. Correcting UAVs of excellent quality, if also with a thermal imaging channel, then this is bad news for militias.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2020 13: 35 New
      -1
      The fact that they can fight for a long time has been known to everyone except the great-propagandists in whom they are always stupid
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 11 May 2020 13: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Kronos
        The fact that they can fight for a long time has been known to everyone except the great-propagandists in whom they are always stupid

        Yes, in general, you don’t need to shoot a big mind with a mortar, and the presence of a drunk man’s drone simplifies everything completely. Well-coordinated skilled calculation can be trained somewhere in a week. The gunner, even with the extra function of self-calculating corrections of the day for three with an average IQ. so the prepared calculation is not yet an indicator of the general level of the army.
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 11 May 2020 16: 25 New
      -3
      You analyzed the "work" very well, but did you really not notice a man crawling along the trench at 0:55, and as soon as he crawled into the dugout, literally right there, a shell flew there. Moreover, it was filmed in one frame, only the camera changed the angle (it turned, and not the frame change)
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 11 May 2020 14: 11 New
    +1
    Will the OSCE take action against Ukrainians? Are you seriously? Until we crush them ourselves with tanks, they will not calm down. Goebbels grandchildren do not understand otherwise!
  • 113262a
    113262a 11 May 2020 14: 37 New
    0
    Yes, this is sad! There are almost no fortifications on the opornas, covered by at least tram sleepers or a mine drag. Until now, many of the same hail boxes filled with earth are good if they are covered with the same ground in two steps. There, obviously, there are no airdropping plates or reinforced concrete! Mina with a fuse for a delay breaks through it all and flounders inside. From here, and funnels, after INSTANT, there are almost none, 25-30 centimeters maximum from 82nd.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 May 2020 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: 113262
      mine puff

      Reinforced concrete puff, it is more profitable to sell than to give to some militias ...
      1. 113262a
        113262a 11 May 2020 22: 16 New
        0
        So it and wooden do not give! Form number eight ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 May 2020 07: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: 113262
          So it and wooden do not give! Form number eight ...

          "Obapol", do not overlap, but perhaps only tighten the sides of the trenches ...
          And you are right - even it is not (wooden puff), because somehow it costs money, and it’s better win on "holes" than lose in the trenches ...
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 11 May 2020 16: 23 New
    +2
    [/ center] At the time of reading my article and watching the video, 48 comments have already been written.
    One thing surprises me: everyone clung to a running man who had disappeared from the frame, but didn’t anyone pay attention, as at 0:55 second in the trench, another person was quickly crawling right into the dugout (in the center of the frame just above the mountain of tires),

    in just a couple of seconds he crawls in from one dugout to a nearby one,

    [Center]


    after which at 1:01 the dugout, into which he just climbed, covers a direct hit, and here everything goes in one frame, although the camera turns, but it turns and not "breaks the frame".

    It is noteworthy that the 54th Ombr of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declares "the elimination of three militants"


    If the author undertook to analyze the flight, i.e. analysis of the video, then he should first familiarize himself with all the other similar videos, but the emphasis should be placed not on the mounting of frames and the "absence of people", but on the direct behavior of people during the shelling - this is very useful and can be useful if the author himself happens to be on the front line where they shoot for real, and not verbally.
    There is such a suspicion that the author of the article is a great "professional" and sincerely believes that in the midst of the shelling, the personnel are walking around the positions: /
    Secondly, if he had also taken apart other videos, he might have known that even at the shooting stage they were watching who the whole people were scattering and moving fire on dugouts with the maximum number of drugs, or they were beating specifically at the technique.
    If we talk about the "liquidation of three militants", then this statement has the right to be a true fact.
    As I said, one was covered "live", I am ready to admit that at the stage of zeroing, they counted two more who hid in that ill-fated dugout and based on this made their conclusions.
    The rest of the forum users would like to wish to be more attentive, otherwise it turns out that you are shown "white" ie. a living person who gets hit by a direct hit, "and at the same time they say" black "- that is, they assure that there is no one in the frames and no one has died.
    Here is a good example of the power of suggestion and non-critical attitude to objective facts.
    It's a shame ...
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 11 May 2020 17: 17 New
      0
      after which, at 1:01, the dugout in which he had just climbed covers a direct hit

      4 seconds difference, maybe he managed to lie down much deeper.
  • pogis
    pogis 11 May 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    The most disgusting thing is that the evidence of non-compliance with the Minsk agreements on the part of the skakuas will be enough for a dozen execution articles. But the owners of the "tseevropeytsy" (slaves toilets) protect with all their might. But Russia is called a "party to the conflict", although no one anywhere has been able to prove the presence of Russian troops in the Donbas.
    Really some kind of freak circus.

    First, it was necessary to free Mariupol, and then to get into a mess!
    1. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 17 May 2020 06: 20 New
      0
      There is one person who loves in the midst of our victories and victory is near, to say "stop. Let's negotiate", which the enemy always uses to his advantage (he restores his strength, and hides the facts of his crimes, and squeezes the territories back, and turns everyone against us, etc.).
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 12 May 2020 01: 53 New
    +2
    Hit one cheek, turn the other ...
    Not resisting evil with violence ...
    Do not give in to provocations, do not open fire ...
    We will declare a strong protest on non-compliance with the Minsk agreements.
    Because of such "strong protests," shelling will be constant. Impunity breeds permissiveness. But when they "change the landscape" at the positions of the 54th Ombr, then there will be order. And even though the whole of Europe squeaks about "inadequate use of force", LDNR residents are neither cold nor hot from this.