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Who would be grateful to anyone for such a "Victory"?

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Well, I whispered the anniversary Victory Day, and now, in the wake of what I saw, I want to say a few words.


In the first lines, I really want to express my gratitude to the coronavirus and the regime, do not understand what. The amount of insanity on the streets of my city was minimal. In general, it is amazing how it happened until I realized it myself, but the city authorities managed not to vulgarize anything and not screw up anywhere! This is just some kind of miracle!

Moreover, there were positive aspects. With your permission, I’ll start with them, because it’s really very nice.

They opened Victory Square after the overhaul.





Repair there really was necessary, the repair turned out on time and on time. It’s even strange somehow, because the second object, the Orlyonok park, where many objects of cultural and historical heritage are concentrated (one mass grave of the generals is worth something), was not managed to be repaired precisely because of restrictions.

It's sad of course.

But whoever wanted to, he came to the square, came himself (I’m no exception, fortunately the police at the entrance of the bay, but didn’t open), laid flowers, stood, paused. With flowers in the city of tin, 95% of the stalls under sanctions help out cottages.

By the way, I watched that people willingly shared flowers.

It turned out peculiar. It seems like a normal day, but whoever has fire in his soul will reach the fire and no obstacles will hinder him in this.



The area turned out, fountains were added, only the St. George glasses somehow look so strange ...

From insanity we got an "air parade", which no one saw, but which could be seen in the news (10 seconds) and "salute", which no one saw or heard either, because they were shooting at the Pogonov training ground, and this is outside the city.

For, as the authorities said, there is nothing. Salute is a tribute to the memory, they plowed in the middle of the wasteland - and enough.

Thank God, even though the clouds did not disperse. Although somewhere and overclocking, they worked pretty well. There were no parades, but ...


In general, of course, all of these, with permission, “events”, cause a rash.

No, I understand that everything was laid down in the budget, especially in the budget of the Ministry of Defense (I'm talking about the "air parade"), the money is already that ...

Now the Internet is overflowed with criticism of the victory in the country for several years. And I completely agree with the critics, because honoring the memory of our ancestors who defeated fascism is one thing, and what is happening in our country that year in a row is another.

We are developing budgets. And it is much more shameful than destroyed monuments in Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic. That is our pain, and victory is our shame.

But the organizers do not need to understand this, they are happy with everything, and it was planned. "Tricky plan ..." I don’t know who to debase our very stories.

And claims to the "girls designers" are less and less. Just because they, generations of 40, deeply and decisively do not care much about everything that happened 75 years ago. And for this, the authorities are doing everything possible.

No, really, lurid holidays, mummers, real hysteria in a couple of days, caps competition of mayors and governors, who will stand out better ...

These ribbons, again ...

No, who likes - not a question. I myself never took it, never wore it, I didn’t tie it on a car or bag and am happy with everything. To those who stripped the ribbons, he was treated as sick, since this is a personal matter for everyone. I have my own symbol in my soul, I simply do not need imposed ones.

But somehow it looks ugly: these ribbons are HANDS out, and masks are SELLED. What, excuse me, is more important? And more important, of course, to master the budget.


Incidentally, this also applies to the parade. I don’t understand, to be honest, to whom did he warm his soul, and if he could only be seen on the TV box. With the same success, one could twist the record of last year’s parade. No, we’ll spend the aircraft resource on garbage, we’ll burn the fuel, because it’s paid.

The utter unprincipledness and spit of the authorities from the very top just touches. And it cannot but give rise to the same disdainful attitude in the lower classes. And the bottoms come off in full. But what if they do this at the top, why is everyone else worse?

Wild and vulgar competition disregarding Victory.

City of Noginsk, Moscow Region.


Well, a beautiful three, right? Okay, the Russian hussar was replaced by a Frenchman, and there, after a couple of years, you look, and the soldier will look different. First time, perhaps?

Mytishchi. There, near Moscow. It is clear that to distinguish 9 from 6 - it is necessary to have a higher education and to know the Russian language. But was it really impossible for those Gaster who hung all this, to put at least one Russian watchman?




Apparently not.

Chelyabinsk. For the sake of diversity, in the Urals they are also weird. I don’t know where they dug up this loner, but in this ... (forgive me, God!) Man-made (do not do this with your hands) object THREE errors !!!

Who would be grateful to anyone for such a "Victory"?

Congratulations to veterans. Necessary. But does it need to be done like this? Distance? Do not make me laugh. It is quite possible to climb to everyone not with the help of a lift, but simply. Humanly. This clowning looks exactly like that. Stupid and ugly. Novosibirsk




Well, of course, how not to make money on Victory? This is such a PR move, well, just swing!




This was lying around the entrances throughout the Soviet district of the city of Voronezh. I didn’t recognize the whole city, but we were lying around. The order was crumpled, thrown into the trash, trampled underfoot. Great attitude to memory. Spelled out in the Constitution.


But napkins will become the leader of the parade. Very so wet. Perhaps even antibacterial. And I even admit that with each pack sold these unfortunate two rubles will be sent to the fund to help veterans. Honestly - I do not believe, of course, because only a moral renegade can earn money by speculating in this way.


But they earn, nonetheless.

Now many will say: this is why we need to go when they say, accept these amendments, and then ...

And then what"? Nothing will happen then. A magic wand, even Rosgvardeyskaya, will not help. For changes must not be made to the Constitution, which almost no one has read. Changes must be made to the head.

If we act somehow differently, then we get what we have today. Sheer indifference. Colorful reports with a "beautiful picture" masking him, and quite successfully.

Not such a victory we need. But this is exactly what they impose on us every year. And every year there will be more and more such indifference and less reaction from the people. Just because Victory is not prescribed in the Constitution, is not spread on TV screens. She must live in the hearts of people.

And this is not prescribed, it is brought up. With which, as practice shows, we are all very sad.

So to whom, excuse me, say “thank you” for such a “Victory”? And how much is it needed, such a reporting and budget appropriated?

Every year, real veterans of that great war are becoming less and less. This should make everyone treat them with great respect and respect. Our society is simply obliged to say thanks, but why does it take on an increasingly grotesque shape every year?

Why, instead of Victory, do we have victory, vulgar and unprincipled? What is the problem once a year, without dropping ourselves into the mud, to celebrate the holiday and say thanks to those to whom we owe this holiday?

The problem is nationwide. Because I gave just examples here. The list could go on; it is simply huge. Miracles in Ryazan, Serpukhov, Tambov, Penza, Dzerzhinsk, Usolsk ...

There is a good term for what victory will sooner or later lead to in such forms.

Moral degradation.
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  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 15: 06 New
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    Just because they, generations of 40, deeply and decisively do not care much about everything that happened 75 years ago. And for this, the authorities are doing everything possible.

    And there is. I fully agree with this argument. I think, at such a pace, we will soon begin to celebrate the victory in the Patriotic War of 1812.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 May 2020 15: 21 New
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      All the symbols no longer carry that content - incredible efforts and suffering, and here comes the devaluation of previous achievements. Now this is business and propaganda - nothing personal.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 15: 47 New
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        By the way, Sberbank shot a good movie by May 9th.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 11 May 2020 16: 01 New
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          And this video can be compared with the fresh creation of the Ministry of Culture of Russia.
          1. Altona
            Altona 12 May 2020 14: 11 New
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            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            And this video can be compared with the fresh creation of the Ministry of Culture of Russia.

            -------------------
            Such a rare obscenity "On Paris" - drunkenness, adultery, looting. And all this action was called travel action, that is, adventures along the way. An abominable movie that looks more like an RPG than a war movie. This is how the "veterans" of the Tashkent front (who were eating up in the rear at the grocery store, as Zheglov and Sharapov said in the famous film by Govorukhin) imagine victory over the enemy. This is their easy walk with the girls, lots of booze and rewards for nothing. Along the way, smarten the surrendered enemy in the form of envoys (inviolable persons, if anything) a cool Pullman convertible to "ride the girls" and fuck some aborigine for "collaboration" (that is, lynching and arbitrariness in its purest form).
            PS Filmed by the way a billionaire sponsored by the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Billionaires are now harder than some graduates of the VGIK directing faculty there.
        2. mole
          mole 11 May 2020 20: 50 New
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          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          By the way, Sberbank shot a good movie by May 9th.

          But they sent me a congratulation in the mail on May 8 !? negative
        3. Tavrik
          Tavrik 11 May 2020 21: 00 New
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          Well done, they shot a good movie.
      2. mole
        mole 11 May 2020 20: 47 New
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        Quote: Civil
        All the symbols no longer carry that content - incredible efforts and suffering, and here comes the devaluation of previous achievements. Now this is business and propaganda - nothing personal.

        But the bathyscaphe put a pennant at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
      3. Private89
        Private89 16 May 2020 13: 43 New
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        It is understandable. In a society where capital rules any values, even saints such as Victory, turn into goods, and the dignity of a person is determined by the amount of money in his account.
        Was the Soviet soldier fighting for this? I would say against all this! Outspoken Vlasovites are in power - here’s the board for Manerheim, the Kiselevsky monument to Krasnov, and the films to Kolchak. What would the dead Soviet soldiers say when they saw what the Motherland turned into?
        Probably so:
        - “They built for descendants, scum got!”
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 11 May 2020 18: 08 New
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      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

      And there is. I fully agree with this argument. I think, at such a pace, we will soon begin to celebrate the victory in the Patriotic War of 1812.

      Why is this happening? Is it because we pass by these clowns without any reaction, and then, after a while, write angry articles.
      Really none of the residents of Noginsk considered the Frenchman on the banner? And he was not "hanged" on the night of 8th to 9th. Why didn't anyone call the mayor's office and demanded to correct the mistake? And with an inverted flag? What, also noticed the 9th? Yes, even if it is on the 9th, it is still not too late to fix it.
      But we pass by, swearing in the shower, and the next year we get the same thing.
      We are afraid (?) To come, or at least call, and DEMAND the correction of what we have noticed.
      No, we are not afraid. Have we become amorphous nonsense? Or tolerant?
  2. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 11 May 2020 15: 09 New
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    I agree with the author completely. All according to the worked out scheme. Again banners with enemies, Victory symbols on toilet paper and flags everywhere, but not Victory flags. We, that, celebrate the victory of the Russian Empire in
    world war?
    We celebrate the victory of the Soviet people over the enemy. So hang the flags of the USSR and the banner of Victory.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 May 2020 16: 52 New
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      Just a shift from memory and reverence to entertainment
      1. knn54
        knn54 11 May 2020 17: 10 New
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        Just a feat turned into vulgarity.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 May 2020 18: 14 New
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          Quote: knn54
          Just a feat turned into vulgarity.

          while not forgetting to cut the budget
    2. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 11 May 2020 18: 18 New
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      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      We celebrate the victory of the Russian Empire in
      world war?

      So be it, I will explain to you, since you yourself do not finish. It is not the "flags of the Russian Empire" that are hung up, but the State Flag of the Russian Federation. Agree, there is still a difference. You will probably exclaim:
      - What does the Russian Federation have to do with it? !!! The USSR won the war !!!!!
      And even in something you will be right. But ... Now read ATTENTIVELY, and preferably in syllables, for a better understanding.
      Russian Federation - successor of the USSR! For this reason, the streets are also colored with the State Flags of the Russian Federation. Vlasov and Nicolas The Last have absolutely nothing to do with it.
      The Victory Banner exists in a single copy and it is he who is brought to the Victory Parade. Therefore, there is absolutely no way to hang it over every entrance in the cities and towns of Russia and over every front door of St. Petersburg. If anything is hung, it is "replicas", and a replica is formally not even a flag, but simply "decoration", no matter how cynical it may sound. hi
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 May 2020 20: 52 New
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        Dear fyvaprold colleague!
        There are days, there are not many of them, when through the usual fabric of the space surrounding you, as if its true content appears. Here is the Housing Office - in Soviet times it was a kindergarten, where kids ran and laughed. Here is a blue glass box of a former research institute in which the radar shield of the Motherland was forged, and now Caucasians pour paint on cans there. Here is a store where they sell it, but before that it was the House of Culture, where scientists gathered, life was in full swing, holidays were celebrated, people were relaxing and having fun there. Further, the area on which the Lenin monument peers into the distance - yes, a lot of things. And all the real fake as if becomes transparent, is thinning. Only the skeletons are visible, the milestones of a great past that have not yet gone. Fragments, but their powerful radiation holds Russia. May they not be defiled!
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 11 May 2020 22: 29 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Dear fyvaprold colleague!
          There are days, there are not many of them, when through the usual fabric of the space surrounding you, as if its true content appears. Here is the Housing Office - in Soviet times it was a kindergarten, where kids ran and laughed. Here is a blue glass box of a former research institute in which the radar shield of the Motherland was forged, and now Caucasians pour paint on cans there. Here is a store where they sell it, but before that it was the House of Culture, where scientists gathered, life was in full swing, holidays were celebrated, people were relaxing and having fun there. Further, the area on which the Lenin monument peers into the distance - yes, a lot of things. And all the real fake as if becomes transparent, is thinning. Only the skeletons are visible, the milestones of a great past that have not yet gone. Fragments, but their powerful radiation holds Russia. May they not be defiled!

          Totally agree with you. There is nothing to add. It is extremely unpleasant to see the things described in the article. What does the Internet provider have to do with the Soviet military orders, or with the Victory? For such a thing must be punished, because this is the very desecration. Unfortunately, at all times and in all countries there were "people" who used any celebration or tragedy in their own selfish interests. It is necessary to fight such "creativity" at the state level, therefore, I hope that Mr. Skomorokhov did not limit himself to writing an angry article, but turned to the relevant organizations to conduct a check on the legality of such "advertising"; in such matters, a statement from citizens is required. And then I have already seen the bottle in the form of AK, and with a mocking motto "The best weapon of Russia"., now here's an advertisement for wet wipes, what's next, orders on condoms with the slogan" Protect against AIDS ", I won't be surprised that we will live to see this if the Investigative Committee and other prosecutors don't start" catching mice "and not growing asses . My regards. hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 11 May 2020 23: 52 New
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            That's right, colleague. And you know what that is? Vulgarity. The unbearable vulgarity of today's being as an expression of its immorality. Each of us is sinful in something - we are not angels. But vulgarity is poorly tolerated. She seems to drink vital juices. Because for a year now I stopped watching TV. It's like talking to an aggressive drunk while trying to maintain peace of mind.
  3. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 11 May 2020 15: 12 New
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    It is hard to believe that this can be, and if this is true, the question arises, and then do all this ?, for what / whom?
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 11 May 2020 15: 33 New
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      This is all due to ignorance of a sense of proportion. When you try too hard to instill something into someone or convince you of something, then sooner or later it all turns into absurdity. The same applies to propaganda. With the celebration of Victory Day, the same thing happens. All these annual free giveaways of St. George's tapes in the thousands have led to the fact that they are now lying around anywhere. Each house has more than one ribbon, but they continue to distribute them, because money is allocated and volunteers need to put it somewhere. So then they turn out to be bundles lying in the porches, in the trash, etc.
      1. Yurkaza
        Yurkaza 11 May 2020 16: 39 New
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        I completely agree! The St. George ribbon is a symbol, it should not turn into just a ribbon that the devil knows where to tie. And yet, I’m 67 and I found blind singers near the bazaar, armless, legless veterans, then somehow they disappeared, the wounds probably affected, thanks to them,
  4. AleBors
    AleBors 11 May 2020 15: 20 New
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    I would like to add something, but nothing ... It's sad.
  5. alone
    alone 11 May 2020 15: 22 New
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    What can we discuss if on the regional sites they exposed the beardless Hitler and young Himmler as participants in the war under false names ... Was it really so hard to get to know Hitler, albeit without a mustache ..
  6. fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 11 May 2020 15: 26 New
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    Everything described in the article is sad. Not without ugliness. But the illiteracy of municipal bureaucrats and the overwhelming "borzometer" of would-be entrepreneurs, printing the symbols of Victory on various obscenities, as I see it, have little to do with the "devil-may-care attitude of the generation 40 -", this is more likely a flaw of law enforcement agencies, "Roskommnadzor" and others, easily excitable for trifles and falling into a catatonic stupor with obvious manifestations of disrespect, one might even say sacrilege, to the symbols of Victory in particular, and to the state symbols in general. For such "creativity" it is not necessary to write out fines, but to revoke licenses and ... then to fine them in full. "Enterprising" business appreciates of all symbols, only symbols on state signs and permits for earning them, and this is what they should be deprived of. And bureaucrats who are literate and "creative" must be fired due to their complete professional unsuitability, preferably with a "wolf ticket". IMHO.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 11 May 2020 17: 07 New
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      Quote: fyvaprold
      and the off-scale "borzometer" of would-be entrepreneurs

      This is the very borzometer and, among the authors of articles, including this one, is just off scale.
      Already openly impudent, not embarrassed.
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 11 May 2020 17: 55 New
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        Quote: bober1982
        Quote: fyvaprold
        and the off-scale "borzometer" of would-be entrepreneurs

        This is the very borzometer and, among the authors of articles, including this one, is just off scale.
        Already openly impudent, not embarrassed.

        Not without that. By the way, I was recently given a warning for criticizing an article by a "certain" author for Victory Day, allegedly for "trolling and provocation", although the article itself was provocative. I wonder if the "traditions" of pluralism will be followed this time around. laughing hi
  7. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 11 May 2020 15: 27 New
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    People, like people ... Different .. Stupid, smart, decent, vile. The patriots of their homeland and the patriots of the golden calf ... In general, they are indifferent to everything .. There are those who want the collapse of Russia and who crap wherever you can .... But there are simply not smart people crap in their country .. Who consider this important, a struggle for a brighter future. ..Because they like it.
  8. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 11 May 2020 15: 36 New
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    Good day to all! Happy holiday. In our city, no such mistakes were noted that the article cites. The people walked, the weather was wonderful, there were very many with St. George ribbons. By the way, there are almost no cars on them, and I haven’t seen them in the trash (I’m talking to myself). And with whom he met that day, everyone had a sincere festive mood. Youth is no exception.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 May 2020 16: 46 New
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      many with St. George ribbons.
      Is "St. George" related to the Great Patriotic War?
      1. ser56
        ser56 11 May 2020 21: 19 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        Is "St. George" related to the Great Patriotic War?

        On this tape hangs the Order of Glory, as well as a medal for the victory over Germany ... hi so in educational program .... bully
      2. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 11 May 2020 21: 27 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        Is "St. George" related to the Great Patriotic War?

        Has no direct relationship. During the Second World War, there were ribbons of the SOVIET GUARD, and they are slightly different in color. When the All-Russian movement "Immortal Regiment" was created in Vyazma in 2015 (and I was among 124 founders from different regions of the Russian Federation), it was clearly designated: the symbol of the USSR Victory over the fascists of all Euromasters - the RED VICTORY BANNER, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED OVER THE REICHSTAG (St. George the Victorious) is a symbol of the historical connection between generations - victors over the enemies of the Motherland of different times and eras. So people on Victory Day wear St. George's ribbons, show that they remember their heroic ancestors. In the Stavropol Territory, every student knows about this !!!! It's strange that you don't know this ???? is not a secret ...
      3. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 11 May 2020 22: 37 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        many with St. George ribbons.
        Is "St. George" related to the Great Patriotic War?

        "Georgievsky", as you have deigned to put it, is "Guard Ribbon", on which the Statute was supposed to wear a medal Order of St. George the Victorious, in the USSR, the same tape was adopted to the analogue of the "St. George's Cross" - "Order of Glory"and also to the medal"For the Victory over Germany", so yes," St. George "is directly related to the Great Patriotic War.
        Learn materiel and do not ask ridiculous questions.
  9. grad2308
    grad2308 11 May 2020 15: 54 New
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    History is taken away from us, and not noticeably. Replacement Battle Banners of armies and units that fought in WWII - occurred for the first time in 2008, then in 2016. Only a generation from 30-31 and older can remember, who took the oath precisely under these Banners and stood at 1 post in the guard of honor under guard in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the USSR.
    1. grad2308
      grad2308 11 May 2020 16: 28 New
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      Photography on the background of the Red Banner of War in Soviet times was considered a form of distinction and success in preparation. My father has few photographs (1941 generation) and she is the most valuable and significant. Moreover, the picture was sent not by my father, but by the command of the Letter of Gratitude to the widow-mother (her husband died in the Second World War), as a symbol of a worthy-raised son.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 11 May 2020 17: 06 New
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        Quote: grad2308
        Photography on the background of the Red Banner of War in Soviet times was considered a form of distinction and success in preparation.

        In our unit, these were isolated cases. For two years I do not remember a single case. Although there is a case when they returned from positions with an unfolded Banner. But that's a different story. The history of the country's defense in "peacetime".
        Quote: grad2308
        History is taken away from us, and not noticeably.

        The question is who?
        Who changes the banners covered in glory, who closes the Mausoleum with plywood, who considers the Victory banner on the Immortal regiment as politics, who does not respond to the insult in the form of a toilet at the site of the monument to Konev ...?
        Definitely, the article has huge approval !!!
        PS This year I "sold out". I put up six photos in the window. It would have been eleven, only my father and my uncles. Mother had trouble every year. Whom to take to the Immortal Regiment? She is 91 years old. I went.
        1. grad2308
          grad2308 11 May 2020 17: 26 New
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          My dad was fixing the nuclear shield, or rather, his sergeant had an unlimited pass to the protected area at any time of the day (not every officer had a permit), I will immediately make a reservation not to the internal troops. They were removed from the military register at the age of 70 (it would seem that what it was associated with was outdated). The highest mark of his merits, a person who did not fight in the war, was the Medal "20 Years of Victory" award. Something like that. During my service in 1998-2000, it was difficult to be photographed at the Banner, but conscripts were photographed (of course, not all) for real merits. But at the time of the oath, it was possible to catch the right angle and the receiving male boys were captured.)))
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 11 May 2020 17: 37 New
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            Quote: grad2308
            My father... .

            Respect to your father!
            Awards? Take a look at the photos of those returning with Victory. Orders and medals were not generously distributed then. The entire generation of Winners is worthy of respect.
            1. grad2308
              grad2308 11 May 2020 17: 47 New
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              Not generous at all, my grandfathers don't have them. One (paternal grandfather) died under the Sozh River in Belarus, the other (maternal) died 22 years after the end of the war. My relatives are infantry - the Queen of the Fields !!! There were other relatives who passed the penal battalion. "For the Truth, the Mother is exiled to Kamchatka" - they were all rough, I am no exception ... (and I really know on myself how and for what awards are given and to whom how ..., the award for my subordinates and I was signed by Troshev G.N. ., bypassing the regiment commander.).
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 11 May 2020 17: 52 New
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                Quote: grad2308
                Not at all generous ....

                One of my uncles didn’t get to the front. The train bombed. Two years in hospitals. The youngest was from my mother's. Mom most often took his portrait to the Immortal regiment.
                When I see now soldiers from a Suvorov soldier to a general, hung with medals, I understand - it's not okay with state patriotism "in the Danish kingdom"
                1. grad2308
                  grad2308 11 May 2020 18: 38 New
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                  Everything has depreciated. I was twice in 2000 with the medal "For Courage" - for the presentation in the unit and when I came to my parents after the awarding, I put them on at the entrance. I consider wearing on May 9 indecent and not worthy especially of my age. WWII veteran even with any one award for me HERObut most died in the next 25 years after the war, and some before. Dressing and their acquaintances appeared during the time of Khrushchev N.S. Dad had a locksmith at work, his wounds were bleeding in the spring and autumn, he went through the entire war in intelligence as a foreman. There are many rewards ... but the price ....! The first platoon leaves for reconnaissance without "language" is impossible - execution, the second ...., the third ...., then the foreman with the remnants ... - God had mercy on him from the penal battalion. After the war, he cried on May 9, no matter how long he returned, but he was alive. Above about the intelligence officer I wrote what you can write ... The younger generation will not understand. The reality on the ancestors of the maternal line is more harsh and not for the Military Review. PS The maternal grandfather did not receive the "20 Years of Victory" medal, so the first two jubilee medals were simply not given.
                  1. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 11 May 2020 18: 45 New
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                    Quote: grad2308
                    I was twice in 2000 with the medal "For Courage" - for the presentation in the unit and when I came to my parents after the awarding, I put them on at the entrance.

                    Got a deal? Then, there is nothing to be ashamed of. Especially on holidays. Let the loved ones be proud.
                    1. grad2308
                      grad2308 11 May 2020 19: 19 New
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                      Not worth the reward for the Counter-Terrorist Operation in CH.R. to equate with medals of the Great Patriotic War, which they were not. ))) We understood each other, the rest is in PM.
                      1. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 11 May 2020 19: 59 New
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                        Quote: grad2308
                        Not worth the reward ....

                        "Modesty adorns a person."
                        Therefore, with respect to you, to the performance of your military duty. Which does not detract from the feat of the people in the Great Patriotic War. We must tell our children.
                        Brother said. We walked with a classmate, an unremarkable student and accidentally saw a photo. It turned out the order bearer and with medals. Vietnam.
  10. Oleg1
    Oleg1 11 May 2020 16: 00 New
    -6
    “For, as the authorities said, there is nothing. "Salute is a tribute to the memory, they plowed in the middle of the wasteland - and enough."
    These ribbons, again ...
    No, who likes - not a question. I myself never took it, never wore it, I didn’t tie it on a car or bag and am happy with everything. To those who stripped the ribbons, he was treated as sick, since this is a personal matter for everyone. I have my own symbol in my soul, I simply do not need imposed ones.

    But it somehow looks ugly: these ribbons are DISTRIBUTED, and the masks are SOLD. What, sorry, is more important? And more important, of course, is to master the budget. "

    Vladimir Vladimirovich Bortko, director:
    The strange thing is the Russian liberal. This is the only person in the world who hates and beats his mother, his land. And her slightest mistake - he begins to laugh, rub his sweaty little hands, wildly rejoices about this, forgetting that this is his mother. If we ask our liberals: do you really want everything to go to dust here? I am afraid that we will get the answer: we love our homeland, but let everything burn out here, if only the liberal idea triumphs.
    Threat of current it seems to me that if you had a parade, the author would have shouted that you are making scum! Relocate people !!!!

    "There is a good term for what we will sooner or later lead to victory in such forms."
    I agree that the author is notorious for our holiday ... he remembered the great Russian writer Gogol, his Viy ...

    Moral degradation.
    I 100% agree, how else can you call a person who is so contorted by the GREAT Victory ...
    1. ser56
      ser56 11 May 2020 21: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: Oleg1
      I agree how noble that the author from our holiday is contorted ..

      Bravo! to the point! drinks it's just that the author is afraid to say bluntly yet, that’s digging into the details request
    2. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 11 May 2020 22: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: Oleg1
      "There is a good term for what we will sooner or later lead to victory in such forms."
      I agree that the author is notorious for our holiday ... he remembered the great Russian writer Gogol, his Viy ...

      Moral degradation.
      I 100% agree, how else can you call a person who is so contorted by the GREAT Victory ...

      I fully agree! However, for the sake of objectivity, the author also mentioned the real "corrals" of enterprising businessmen to the place. Although, what kind of "businessmen" are they, hucksters. hi
  11. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 May 2020 16: 07 New
    +4
    I liked the air parade. Honestly, the most interesting thing at any parade is the display of armored vehicles, weapons, as well as the aviation unit. And the passage of foot columns can be minimized.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 May 2020 16: 10 New
    +8
    Yes, the author is right. Even if we discard the "shoals" of symbolism, the traditions began to look somehow ridiculous.
    It's like a baptismal swimsuit parade. Now - the "selfie" contest on May 9th.
    Still, this is the Day of Remembrance of the Dead, Day of the Victorious People. But there were too many inappropriate masquerades, semi-official reporting and videos.

    But all this can be attributed to "generational change". But the fact that historical memory lives in the heads of the authorities, only on May 9, is a national tragedy. In deeds and speeches, "our" "partners of partners" do not differ in any way from the "revisionists of history" from Europe.
    1. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 11 May 2020 22: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      only May 9th is a national tragedy.

      Are you serious? Is Victory Day a national tragedy? Is the end of the war a tragedy? Is the victory over the enemy a tragedy? The tragedy of May 9, maybe and is only for the losing side and their, Nazi, henchmen and their descendants. What kind of gadyushnik have you picked up on this, isn't it the name of "Stepan Bandera"? fool
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 11 May 2020 23: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: fyvaprold
        Quote: samarin1969
        only May 9th is a national tragedy.

        Are you serious? Is Victory Day a national tragedy? Is the end of the war a tragedy? Victory over the enemy - Is it a tragedy? The tragedy of May 9 may and is only for the losing side and their Nazi henchmen and their descendants. What kind of gadyushnik have you picked up on this, isn't it the name of "Stepan Bandera"? fool


        In the archive, a citizen without a face. There about my grandfather there was only one line from 1941. And next to almost the entire male part of the village. And the best people died in this war or were shattered.
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 11 May 2020 23: 28 New
          -2
          Quote: samarin1969
          Quote: fyvaprold
          Quote: samarin1969
          only May 9th is a national tragedy.

          Are you serious? Is Victory Day a national tragedy? Is the end of the war a tragedy? Victory over the enemy - Is it a tragedy? The tragedy of May 9 may and is only for the losing side and their Nazi henchmen and their descendants. What kind of gadyushnik have you picked up on this, isn't it the name of "Stepan Bandera"? fool


          In the archive, a citizen without a face. There about my grandfather there was only one line from 1941. And next to almost the entire male part of the village. And the best people died in this war or were shattered.

          Did your grandfather die in the archives of May 9th? But no, the archive entry is from 1941. Day of Sorrow is June 22nd - the day the war begins. It was after this day that your grandfather died in 1941, almost the entire male part of your village, after June 22, 1941. And after May 9, the mass death of soldiers on the German front suddenly stopped, the war ended. So why are you grieving over the victorious end of the war? My grandfather died in the 42nd, did not live to the Victory, but for me May 9th is a Holiday with a capital letter. On this day, the USSR, putting an end to the Great Patriotic War, proving that my grandfather was not killed in vain and contributed to the victory over the enemy. And I grieve on June 22nd, remembering the dead. Well, you can grieve at least for the whole year on the fly, considering that the root cause of your grandfather’s death in 1941 was laid on May 9th, the 45th. Otherwise, I can’t understand your logic. negative
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 12 May 2020 21: 55 New
            -1
            And what, it is not clear Samarin wrote that it was not May 9th tragedy? Does the sentence not fit into the head at first? Read the syllables below.
            1. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 13 May 2020 12: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Reptiloid
              And what, it is not clear Samarin wrote that it was not May 9th tragedy?

              A similar example of abstinence consciousness fits into the head "not only for everyone, but very few people ...". To begin with, learn to express your thoughts clearly, and then "philosophize slyly." And yet, yes, Samarin wrote that May 9 is a tragedy. Buy glasses and re-read his post, or your own quote
              Quote: Reptiloid
              read the syllables below again.

              You gave yourself good advice. It remains to follow him.
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Quote: samarin1969
              Yes, the author is right. Even if we discard the "shoals" of symbolism, the traditions began to look somehow ridiculous.
              It's like a baptismal swimsuit parade. Now - the "selfie" contest on May 9th.
              Still, this is the Day of Remembrance of the Dead, Day of the Victorious People. But there were too many inappropriate masquerades, semi-official reporting and videos.

              But all this can be attributed to "generational change". But the fact that historical memory lives in the heads of the authorities, only May 9th is a national tragedy... In deeds and speeches, "our" "partners of partners" do not differ in any way from the "revisionists of history" from Europe.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 May 2020 21: 56 New
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      Yes, the author is right. Even if we discard the "shoals" of symbolism, the traditions began to look somehow ridiculous.
      It's like a baptismal swimsuit parade. Now - the "selfie" contest on May 9th.
      Still, this is the Day of Remembrance of the Dead, Day of the Victorious People. But there were too many inappropriate masquerades, semi-official reporting and videos.

      But all this can be attributed to "generational change". But the fact that historical memory lives in the heads of the authorities, only on May 9, is a national tragedy. In deeds and speeches, "our" "partners of partners" do not differ in any way from the "revisionists of history" from Europe.
  13. aglet
    aglet 11 May 2020 16: 25 New
    19
    "On Victory Day, a significant event for President of Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov happened. Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin handed over to the Turkmen leader the battle banner of the 748th Infantry Regiment of the 206th Division of the 2nd Ukrainian Front, in which his grandfather fought during the Great Patriotic War."
    Is it like that, the military banner of the unit was presented as a souvenir?
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 May 2020 21: 50 New
      +1
      Yes indeed. It seems like they decided not to store the banner of the USSR.
      Let the President of Turkmenistan protect as a heirloom. Sarcasm sss
  14. nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 11 May 2020 16: 26 New
    +8
    Nothing personal - BUSINESS. They live like cattle: where they eat, there and ...
  15. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 May 2020 16: 27 New
    0
    Okay, the Russian hussar was replaced by a Frenchman,
    Here is the liberal scum, how it is perverted. How long to. Oh, they are children. The computer designer girl was wrong. "You are at the door, they are at the window."
    Must be a responsibility. If the girl decided to play adult games, then the girl with a mixer! angry
  16. Cowbra
    Cowbra 11 May 2020 16: 46 New
    +5
    IMHO, the author's initial message is incorrect. The point is not that there IS PR, public relations is just "public relations". And the fact is that PR - NO !!! It's just that a generation has already grown up to which public relations from school have been proving that the fascists were defeated by democracy, and the scoops - they stood nearby, and in general, both were socialists, even the flag of some and others was red. What can such a generation teach the public now? What kind of relationship?
    So it's time to revive public relations. And then with a fright, some St. Andrew’s cross is called the Vlasov banner, really, I heard it yesterday)
  17. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 11 May 2020 16: 49 New
    +4
    What for? Why this article, Roman? Victory - what word did you write? Here is a girl reading - a designer and the same begins to win how will you win? And then, as always, IT'S NOT ME, it's the authorities to blame. Why didn't you, Roman, drove to Naginsk and outweighed the banner correctly (although this "incorrectness" could have been done specifically - for such novels in order to "show" that everyone in Russia will win against their ancestors, participants in the Second World War), and the Tajik - Uzbek grandfather also fought and he knows about May 9. Your material insults me and my Afghan comrades, with whom we laid flowers at the Memorial of Glory and the Eternal Flame in Stavropol at exactly 0 hours on May 43 (Moscow time) at that time the final Act of Germany's surrender was signed. Judging by the flowers laid, we were not the first, and despite the late hour and the police guard, 9-6 young people walking around the city at night came up to see and listen to us ... So, according to you, we who came to our grandfathers in orders and with a banner USSR-also demons from victory ???? And then how - a normal person should sleep at this time, here is an example with "Europo-American-Asia" take where people are sleeping peacefully now and sleeping peacefully when Hitler offered his friendship to the grave .... No Roman - there is no devilry in us , devilry in you !!!! Probably they will remove me from the site for insulting another truth-lover and respected person in certain places, but I will not ask for forgiveness, and I still cannot wait for an apology from you Roman !!! You can also write about my mistakes, but you will not become purer in soul ...
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 11 May 2020 17: 18 New
      +6
      Vitaly, you are not alone in your feeling. Dirty at heart.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 May 2020 17: 38 New
      +1
      How you and your kind got it. You are already proud of your hatred of Russia.
      Why didn’t you drive to Naginsk and
      What is the name of the city to write correctly is not fate? Well, yes Roman should go round half the country to fix everything everywhere (you don’t even know from which city Roman is).
      6-8 young people walking around the city at night approached us
      You do not see quarantine either. In Moscow, all memorials were guarded by reinforced police units. And the Soviet flags were taken away.
      You have offended your ancestors, a fan of Russian officials.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 11 May 2020 20: 48 New
        +3
        Human brains are given to think .... and not shit at all indiscriminately !!!! You see all of Russia in your Roman is divided into two equal parts into demons-officials and servants of the demon !!!! Your Roman, a professional in the search for "fly in the ointment". "Dirt" is everywhere, only some make it less of this mud, others pass this mud off as a universal reality.
        If the official is to blame - give the name, city, village !!!! And so all the demons, only I am an "angel" ...
        Well, yes Roman should go round half the country to fix everything everywhere (you don’t even know from which city Roman is).

        Moreover, if I haven't seen it myself, your Roman, then there is nothing to distribute unverified information ... even if I own a computer at the level of a teapot, I can "hang" a banner on a PHOTO as I want ... And then I will send it to all social networks ... do you personally, if you live in Moscow, have the police taken away the flag? And are you ready to submit a written statement to the prosecutor's office? Or your civic love of truth is only enough to search for errors in the "commentator's texts" ...
        Nobody took away from us in Stavropol, but in one (!!!!) region out of 36 of the Stavropol Territory, the traffic cops demanded to remove the USSR flag from the car, but tomorrow we will deal with this ... although we could "trumpet the whole world" what cops bastards .... Fools are everywhere, but with the initiative it is dangerous for society))) Let, because of one idiot, we will write all the traffic police officers in the "guardsmen" (???) And in conclusion-
        You have offended your ancestors, a fan of Russian officials.

        I'll start with where I started - Human brains are given to think .... and not shit at all indiscriminately !!!! This is for you - "you are our fighter, with Russian officials"))) and a teacher of Russian grammar)))
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 12 May 2020 06: 18 New
        -1
        You’ll be personally taken away or read fake in bulk and others like them ??? personally have you seen this ??? I feel like a horse that is gray
    3. Tzar
      Tzar 12 May 2020 10: 27 New
      +1
      The same feelings. It was possible to describe the problem of the commercialization of the Victory Day without introducing this liberoid abomination into the text, but no ...
  18. bober1982
    bober1982 11 May 2020 16: 55 New
    +8
    Miracles in Ryazan, Serpukhov, Tambov ......., and further on.
    And, here on the site they also dreamed (anonymous author), on Victory Day, I mean, they arranged an advertisement for one cross-eyed citizen, with his peculiar personal opinion.
  19. Alexga
    Alexga 11 May 2020 17: 14 New
    +3
    Of course, what is described in the article cannot be attributed to the whole country, but the trend is described as true. All this is sad! But after all, once our generation and the generation of our children will go into eternity, and then what ?. This applies not only to Russia and Belarus, where every five lands are watered with the blood of our soldiers and memory will remain at least in monuments and obelisks. And the Baltic States and Ukraine ??? There the authorities fool seriously. This cannot go on forever. So, blood can spill again. Or maybe that’s right, evil should be punished!
  20. Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 11 May 2020 17: 16 New
    +7
    The novel was not supposed to use this vile word - victory. The article immediately pushed away from itself, even if at the end something was written correctly. Minus article.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 May 2020 01: 25 New
      0
      This vile word sounded 2 years (or 3?) Ago on the eve of Victory Day from the manager of the French construction market, in Moscow, he forgot his name, the girl was arriving. There was indignation, they removed it from there, which I do not know further.
      It seems to me, Roman, with this word that he again reminded of the haters of Russia, since then various statements were made and outright lies
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      The novel was not supposed to use this vile word - victory. The article immediately pushed away from itself, even if at the end something was written correctly. Minus article.

      9
  21. FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 11 May 2020 17: 17 New
    +6
    Thanks to the author and ... no.
    Thank you for the article, but no, because for me everything I saw was a shock.
    Wet wipes and the Internet and Television Order - I have never seen anything like this.
    Forgive me, this is what kind of creature you have to be to write "Thank you grandfather for the victory" on wet wipes ...
    I have no words.
  22. Vladimir Glinsky
    Vladimir Glinsky 11 May 2020 17: 19 New
    11
    Honestly, understand, on the one hand, we cannot forget this day. With another. Are we almost the same age? I am from the 67th year of birth. When, in the year 82, a participant in the Revolution came to school. We already saw him as a dinosaur. And then from the Civil was something 60 years old. My grandfathers and grandmothers, who had fought since the Finnish, all left. Thank God I found someone, someone not. And now ... I remember that five years ago we were given a task in the newspaper to go around every veteran and write about them. About 80 percent, I had to tell them myself where they were and for what they received awards. It is good that then there was already a portal Feat of the people. Although there were exceptions. In good memory. But they didn’t want to say anything at all. Once I came to the former director of the grocery store. She was already 90. I thought she was in the second echelon. And it turned out that thirty exits were over the front line. Already after the Victory, her husband told her that in the family of two scouts there was too much. And she went on the commercial side.
  23. iouris
    iouris 11 May 2020 18: 05 New
    +2
    Come on. We drove ... Trump the other day destroyed the USSR. And nothing happened.
  24. New Year day
    New Year day 11 May 2020 18: 11 New
    +3
    Moral degradation.

    that says it all hi
  25. parusnik
    parusnik 11 May 2020 18: 33 New
    +1
    In our town everything went "decorously, nobly, in the old way" (c) ... The local authorities, before the holidays, through all the "swearing people" explained that on holidays less than two people will not gather ... that sanctions will follow ... For this is for the good of everyone, since the bony hand of the virus will reach everyone ... There are no posters in the city ... Salute too ... although they could bang on the Military Hill, so that everyone would see ... Yes, there is no place for mass festivities, legs break in the dark, but didn't bother ... Peace and order "don't get together more than two" were protected by police-Cossack patrols ...
  26. Newven
    Newven 11 May 2020 18: 37 New
    +5
    Someone, wholeheartedly, remains from the impression of Victory Day, as milestones of the courage, fortitude and heroism of our ancestors, while someone petty and vile is looking for any reason to gloat!
    I watched a post on social networks where a little girl sings a song from the Second World War, and the "nasty" gloat over the fact that her badge on her belt is turned down.
    So is Skomorokhov's article (s)! I wonder if Voronezh social networks know what a "fiery fighter" lives next to them.
  27. yasvet
    yasvet 11 May 2020 18: 47 New
    +1
    And this video can be compared with the fresh creation of the Ministry of Culture of Russia.

    This opus was still in the plan under the old minister, a flaw, of course (.

    Preparing for Victory Day is not an easy task and the jambs will always come out, and for the most part out of folly, but this is being treated, there would be a desire.

    Replacing Battle Banners

    The banners went through the war, they are 75 with a hook. Unfortunately, they deteriorate, and therefore require appropriate care and storage. That's the whole reason for the replacement.

    According to the article: it seems to be not bad, but with an emphasis on criticism.
    1. grad2308
      grad2308 12 May 2020 07: 17 New
      0
      It's not about decay, but about the fact that the scarlet-red banners (blood of our ancestors) are being replaced with completely different ones. There is enough information on the Internet, you just need to notice it. https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/111117/ The most honest on May 9 is to make two banners of the past military war (you can even copy) and a new sample. It will be honest, according to historical memory. This is not, except for the Victory Banner on Red Square.
  28. Shadow
    Shadow 11 May 2020 19: 15 New
    +5
    Everything is commercialized: there are no moral values, but there is a resource due to which you can earn, promote or curry favor - here it is, a brave new world of traders and their smugly bleating cattle.
  29. Dmitry Davydov
    Dmitry Davydov 11 May 2020 20: 31 New
    +3
    More than examples of the stupidity of our fellow citizens organizing such blunders, I was jarred by the author's repeated savoring of the word "victory".
    You are only one word fell below the described idiots.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 11 May 2020 22: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Davydov
      I was jarred by the author's repeated savoring of the word "victory".

      This is from the vocabulary of corrupt ultra-liberals, what can be warped here, everything is familiar and long understood.
  30. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 May 2020 20: 47 New
    +2
    Here you are disgusting !!! I want to blame the author for all serious sin, but only x-ren! Everything about the case. It’s time to introduce criminal punishment for these or idiots or under-educators. By the way, those responsible for education too.
  31. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 11 May 2020 20: 49 New
    +3
    [quote = Gardamir] [quote] many with ribbons of St. George. [/ quote] Is "St. George" related to the Great Patriotic War? [/ quote And, what do you have to do with the Great Patriotic War !! Something I have such an attitude towards St. George's ribbon only from Svidomo met.
  32. Normal ok
    Normal ok 11 May 2020 20: 56 New
    +4
    A joke has been roaming the Internet for a long time that the greatest achievement in 20 years of the reign of GDP is victory in the Great Patriotic War. And here it is clearly visible that the current authorities are simply PR on what they are not involved in. The business looks at this and understands: why don't we do the same? And the rest, just the grimaces of capitalism and total ignorance.
  33. LeonidL
    LeonidL 11 May 2020 21: 07 New
    +3
    A set of obscure incoherent phrases is not clear about what and why they are written.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 11 May 2020 21: 22 New
      0
      The author is ready to tear apart the designer girls ... but they did their best, more beautiful, more critical, more elegant! How many people will notice with the sharp eye of a specialist that the hussar is French? Errors from excessive zeal as a result of poor education. Well shoot Roman girls! Or maybe it's easier to explain, show calmly? So that they are not mistaken another time.
  34. ser56
    ser56 11 May 2020 21: 11 New
    +4
    It seems that the author has another attack of criticism bully I would have said it easier, but I have drives - they will ban .. bully
    Even the special term coined - victory ... it seems the author does not realize that this term was specifically introduced by the enemies of Russia in order to discredit and profanity of any official events in Russia on Victory Day ... request But he is well-meaning, his soul hurts .... bully It was because of such complacency that the country fell apart in 1917 and 1991 - they wanted the best ... request
    And he is against the development of budgets - maybe he wants to pay everything himself? Let him organize a fundraising ... he will learn a lot of interesting things ... bully And he may understand that St. George ribbons cannot be resold, but masks can be earned by that. request And people in the country are far from all fluffy and prone to idealism ... even go to rallies for money ...
    And he is against parades and fireworks, well, where can he understand that they are valuable and pay off the memory of the fallen .... and are quite acceptable without spectators ... and the savings on this will be ridiculous .... hi
    And the author for some reason believes that everyone should do what he wants ... by the way, he interviewed veterans in Nsk - maybe they liked how they were not congratulated ordinary! If only they had not been forgotten ....
    And I’ll add - in any big business there are different things - both good and bad, but someone sees the good, and someone sees only the bad - maybe this is a problem of a certain person, not society? request
  35. SaLaR
    SaLaR 11 May 2020 21: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: grad2308
    Not generous at all, my grandfathers don't have them. One (paternal grandfather) died under the Sozh River in Belarus, the other (maternal) died 22 years after the end of the war. My relatives are infantry - the Queen of the Fields !!! There were other relatives who passed the penal battalion. "For the Truth, the Mother is exiled to Kamchatka" - they were all rough, I am no exception ... (and I really know on myself how and for what awards are given and to whom how ..., the award for my subordinates and I was signed by Troshev G.N. ., bypassing the regiment commander.).

    Sozh River .... many soldiers were killed near Gomel .. Loyev attacking the steep banks of the Sozh ... Honor and Glory to them ...
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 11 May 2020 21: 52 New
    0
    The area turned out, fountains were added, only the St. George glasses somehow look so strange ...
    And the left pillar on the 4th photo, in my opinion, is "drunk", or maybe the image is distorted. smile
  37. bk316
    bk316 11 May 2020 21: 58 New
    +4
    Well, Roman, you sang with the little dog, not only in relation to the Russian state, but also in style. It is regrettable to see when liberals and people who consider themselves patriots sing in unison.

    Officials will always do different crap, that in ancient Rome, that in the Russian Empire, that in the third Reich. And under Stalin, they worked under both crush and GDP. They are officials.

    But when people who consider themselves patriots adjoin the enemies of the state, it is time for the authorities to think.
    Why adjoin, because the meaning of the article is in fact a kick to the state. After all, films such as the rank-and-file district and the disgusting seven do not plead with American identity. There is a war, an information war has been going on for many centuries and everything is very simple either you are with Russia and all the shitty films like Stalingrad (which are no worse than the corresponding enemy films) are better than nothing, or you are against and you will look for the wrong epaulets from the heroes

    Well Roman. You looked for a lot of wrong epaulettes. Take a cookie.
    On the other hand, perhaps this is for the better, I no longer want GDP for life presidents, I want Stalin.
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 11 May 2020 21: 59 New
    -1
    Incidentally, this also applies to the parade. I don’t understand, to be honest, to whom did he and how did he warm his soul ...
    Well, probably to the one who arranged the ground part of the parade for four walls .... winked
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 11 May 2020 22: 30 New
    -4
    Quote: Gardamir
    How you and your kind got it. You are already proud of your hatred of Russia.
    Why didn’t you drive to Naginsk and
    What is the name of the city to write correctly is not fate? Well, yes Roman should go round half the country to fix everything everywhere (you don’t even know from which city Roman is).
    6-8 young people walking around the city at night approached us
    You do not see quarantine either. In Moscow, all memorials were guarded by reinforced police units. And the Soviet flags were taken away.
    You have offended your ancestors, a fan of Russian officials.

    He is not a fan - he is an official himself, so he rushed (as it seems to him) to the embrasure, but it turned out to be in .... Better I will not say anything, otherwise the admins will be upset. smile
  40. Shadow041
    Shadow041 11 May 2020 23: 03 New
    +2
    The term VICTORY admitted by the author himself speaks of his Russophobia and not a great mind.
  41. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 12 May 2020 06: 25 New
    +1
    More and more often, the author reminds me of Gudkov Sr., a former FSB colonel, a member of the edr who at first drowned for power, then somehow didn’t go along the party line, got into business, everyone knows his private security companies in the Moscow Region, then lower and lower now on the same side and in the same pit with jacked sables and other rabble and loafers, and enter this term, which the author relishes. Also here look at the very beginning of the author’s path, his article now. On the positive, you won’t earn a lot of likes, but if dig and throw, then yes ... and Voronezh glory city ​​and people and they themselves will understand who is who, including the author
  42. Unknown
    Unknown 12 May 2020 07: 25 New
    0
    Why so attacked the author? Did he suck all the examples from his finger, or from our reality? holiday turned hell knows what. I am 56 years old, I perfectly remember the 35th anniversary of the victory and the 40th anniversary, but it wasn’t there. It was modest and passed with dignity. The veterans were still many alive, and there was honor and respect for them. Here are such stupid posters that the author cited was not. what that trinity symbolizes is not clear. and at the veterans in front of the house, the soldiers did not march, before the holiday, they did not reach such insanity. here with stupid perestroika, everything went wrong, and the holiday as well. Everyone should have a memory in his soul. laying flowers at the graves of soldiers is also necessary from the heart, and not just like that, they put everything, and so do I. and memory, that’s what I’ll say. my older one asks, Dad why the Germans were poured under STALINGRAD, and now this city is not? what to say? He began to explain about Khrushchev, but I see that he doesn’t understand, and if in truth he himself, I don’t understand why the city can’t get its name back. How can I explain to the children, the USSR won the war and where did it go? What did great-grandfathers fight for and what do we have now? How to answer these questions?
  43. Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 May 2020 11: 03 New
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    I don’t know, I hung the St. George’s ribbon and hung it on my chest and tied it on a car — for me and my family, my friends are a symbol of our Victory. with great joy received by hundreds of thousands of people in the republic.

    For it, those for whom our Victory is their death may also damage the car.

    And when on May 9 many, many thousands of Chisinau residents, with wives, children, walked with ribbons and flowers, reached the Eternal Flame on foot, despite the specially stopped general transport, quarantine and bans, there were a lot of us, we remember. We are proud!.

    and there was a feeling of great pride and happiness for these people.

  44. Roman123567
    Roman123567 12 May 2020 11: 25 New
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    But somehow it looks ugly: these ribbons are HANDS out, and masks are SELLED.

    As soon as fines are introduced for the lack of ribbons, they will immediately be sold ..
  45. Hagen
    Hagen 12 May 2020 12: 06 New
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    Now the Internet is overflowed with criticism of the victory in the country for several years.

    As one historical character used to say: "Russian goals do not reach, they step over them." One cannot but support the author in this regard. But this word - "victoriousness" scratches the eyes, and "heil" is heard in the background ...
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 12 May 2020 15: 27 New
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      you can hear "heil" in the background ..


      Against the background of policemen with batons, and ausways to go to the store - this is not surprising already ..
  46. Roman123567
    Roman123567 12 May 2020 15: 28 New
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  47. toha124
    toha124 13 May 2020 14: 05 New
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    Actually, half of the article is devoted to the eccentricities of commercial structures that are not related to the state. Whether we like it or not, we live in Kapstran. So it is possible and necessary to deal with such marketing gadgets with capitalist methods. We saw such a product - pass by. One year the manufacturer will see a drop in sales for the holidays - the next year will already think. But we don’t usually care. And if the goods on the stock ....
  48. Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 13 May 2020 18: 21 New
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    Yes, as it were cleverly written, shown. But it’s in our power to correct, call, etc. To do as it is more correct. Current pioneers no longer know what happened, with whom and for what they fought. Refuse memory? The easiest way to bow to Weed. They work !!!!, rewrite, destroy history.
  49. aglet
    aglet 13 May 2020 18: 33 New
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    Quote: ser56
    it seems that the author does not realize that this term was specifically introduced by the enemies of Russia with the aim of discrediting and profaning any official events in Russia on Victory Day ..

    the author is aware of this, and you swallow it calmly, you’re used to it already
  50. Old26
    Old26 15 May 2020 19: 12 New
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    Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
    the symbol of the Victory of the USSR over fascists of all euromasts is the RED BANNER OF VICTORY, WHICH HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED OVER REICHSTAG, the St. George ribbon (St. George the Victorious) is a symbol of the historical connection of generations - winners over the enemies of the Motherland of different times and eras.

    Well said, fellow countryman. Correctly.

    Quote: LeonidL
    The author is ready to tear apart the designer girls ... but they did their best, more beautiful, more critical, more elegant! How many people will notice with the sharp eye of a specialist that the hussar is French? Errors from excessive zeal as a result of poor education. Well shoot Roman girls! Or maybe it's easier to explain, show calmly? So that they are not mistaken another time.

    Not always, Leonid, I agree with your posts, but I agree with the given 200%. I myself have worked for 2 decades in the printing industry (in one of the cultural institutions) and I know this cuisine well from the inside. The problem is not as straightforward as some are trying to articulate. The problem is not only and not so much in the commercialization of the same printing industry. The point is that directors also come to "power" in budgetary organizations, for whom it is not profitable to have an employee who can say in the face that this is the director's "stupidity". They get rid of such people (I am one of them). And we need those who, at any whim of the leader, will be “saluted”. But the point is that those who can object are "old cadres". For many, the history of the army and military equipment is their hobby and they know what is depicted. A young girl designer doesn't know this. Although she can sometimes "compose" better than the "old man". This is the first thing.
    The second one. I, like many people involved in this industry, have their own sets of discs with drawings and photographs. The quality of the photos is the highest. But the minus is that the same photos of military equipment by 95% are Western models. Ours is about two and all. Most of them are shot in such a way that state affiliation signs are not visible. Moreover, the designer girl chooses the best photo from her point of view, the head of the department, and then the director, who themselves do not understand this, give the green light. This is the second.
    The third. A customer arrives, who himself does not understand this, sees a beautiful picture and gives the go-ahead for printing. And the result is a blunder ... This has been said for 2 decades, but our native Ministry of Defense is not even going to release such discs with Soviet and Russian military equipment.
    Fourth. The contract does not prescribe sanctions if there are such mistakes. Only that related to the deadlines ... That's about it.
    As for the hussar. How much do we know about the hussars, about their regiments in the Russian army, about the color of their uniforms? Probably only the older generation remembers "The uniform is on you, I see Pavlogradsky" ...
    And to which regiment Rzhevsky himself and other characters belonged - alas ...


    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: grad2308
    My father... .

    Respect to your father!
    Awards? Take a look at the photos of those returning with Victory. Orders and medals were not generously distributed then. The entire generation of Winners is worthy of respect.

    My father ended the war as a junior lieutenant with 4 awards. Medals "For military merit", "For the capture of Konigsberg", "For victory over Germany" and the Order of the Red Star

    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Okay, the Russian hussar was replaced by a Frenchman,
    Here is the liberal scum, how it is perverted. How long to. Oh, they are children. The computer designer girl was wrong. "You are at the door, they are at the window."
    Must be a responsibility. If the girl decided to play adult games, then the girl with a mixer! angry

    So why just a stirrer. Let's break it apart on the cross or quarter it. She is the last one in this whole process. And sometimes he does not have the right to speak. You just need to change this whole scheme and introduce at least some kind of "artistic council"
    1. grad2308
      grad2308 16 May 2020 11: 53 New
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      You just need to change this whole scheme and introduce at least some kind of "artistic council"
      This will not happen (in Soviet films, the military were consultants). If most of the newly made feature films are not true, then this is beneficial to someone. They do "action", and in fact - sweat, blood, pain and loss. There are no special complaints about the designer girl - we adults understand this. Rђ RІRѕS, napkins or toilet paper (I know from the partisan region .... there was a scandal) - this is cynicism before our past and before our ancestors... Film "Hot Snow", 1972. Commander rewarding (actor G. Zhzhenov) survivors in battle: "Thank you for the destroyed tanks, thank you, thank you - all I can. Thank you, all I can. Thank you, all I can personally. THANK YOU.". I am already over 45 and still causes tears, so they don’t take off .....