The design of the Ukrainian Tirex tank was initially technically unviable

In 2016, the front pages of Ukrainian publications and news issues of large channels came out with information that Ukraine had begun to develop a promising tank Tirex It was stated that the developers are ready to submit a version of the MBT, which "will revolutionize tank building." It is noteworthy that it was immediately announced about the "number of superiorities" of the future Tirex tank over the Russian T-14 Armata tank.

Now, the Ukrainian sphere of military industry states that no revolution took place in tank building, and Tirex remained a “paper tank” - in the sense that it has no other version besides drawings on paper.

Initially, Tirex was going to repeat some aspects of the design of the aforementioned Russian T-14. In particular, it was a desert tower. It was argued that in the end, the tank could become completely unmanned.

The “planned” parameters announced in 2016: weight 39 tons, main armament - a 125 mm caliber gun with high-power shells, Duplet and Knife dynamic defense units developed by Kiev's Mikrotek. The emphasis was on the fact that the base model for the “iconic tank” should be the T-64.

Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank, presented several years ago, was, so to speak, technically unsustainable. In particular, we are talking about statements on the "creation of more powerful ammunition for the Tirex gun." With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.

Especially this problem would manifest itself when shooting on the go.

Among experts, there is an opinion that if the crew fired from a tank gun on the move, this could lead to exorbitant loads on the rear edge of the turret mount with the transfer of momentum to the ammunition. To avoid deformation of the rings holding ammunition, it would require either the use of a particularly strong alloy or an increase in the thickness of the ring structure. With suitable alloys in modern Ukraine, big problems. In the case of an increase in the thickness of the ring, this would lead to the need to reduce the number of shells in the ammunition by 3-4 units.

An additional factor of non-viability for the Tirex tank design presented at the time is the rear projection of the tower. If a projectile hits the turret from behind, even on a tangent projection, they themselves will increase the effectiveness of this hit. The figure is marked with a red triangle

With a high degree of probability, a hit of this kind would lead to the separation of the tower or detonation of the ammunition.

Comments

[Karaul20]

The engineering group of the Azov regiment tried to design this tirex, it is generally not clear what it is. In Kharkov there is a design bureau, where the T-64 and Oplot were actually developed. And what is the regiment's engineering group and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?

[Sky strike fighter]

Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out.

Rather, those that "super-duper-duper-tank" navo ... the Azov "projected", though the trash cans ended, just like the Chinese intercom electronics, so I had to draw in a 3D editor))))

[rocket757]

Kharkov Design Bureau named after Morozov, this is a SOVIET Design Bureau! On which the draft MBT T 64 was developed, it cannot be related to dill by their very definition ....

[Sky strike fighter]

Nevertheless, the basis of the group that "designed" (stupidly copied the design decisions of the T-14 tank) Tirex are engineers and designers with experience at the famous Malyshev tank-building plant in Kharkov. Did Avakov attract them to work on his PR project?

According to information published in the open press, the project of the armored “dinosaur” was created by the engineering group of the infamous Azov volunteer regiment. Which, however, does not mean at all that all the drawings were arrogantly executed on their own knees by the nationalists who went crazy from hatred for Russia. No, the core of the group is engineers and designers with experience at the famous tank factory named after Malyshev in Kharkov. In the Soviet Union, he was the best. So it's probably not about the dreams of amateurs.

What is the future tank? At the design stage, the new beauty and pride of the Ukrainian army schematically and in fact resembles “Armata”. Reinforced armor protection. The crew is three people. Everything is in an armored capsule designed to provide maximum protection to people. Without leaving the armored capsules, tankers will control cannon and machine-gun fire from an uninhabited tower, which will turn into a combat module. Naturally, this will require a new fire control system.

Summing up the design innovations, Defense Express magazine writes: “Due to these decisions, we will get a tank comparable to the tanks of our potential enemy. The main problem is that our units can fight at night and be protected. ”

Another fundamental similarity between Tirex and Armata is that the tank platform is unified in such a way that it can also be used to design a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. In Russia, there is one already, called the T-15, demonstrated to the general public at the parade. The project of the Ukrainian heavy infantry fighting vehicle along with the Tirex is far from being embodied in metal. However, it was drawn by the same engineering group. The virtual BMP has so far been named coquettishly and not menacingly at all - “Azovochka”.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149988/

[rocket757]

Judge for yourself -

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

experienced in the famous tank factory named after Malyshev in Kharkov.

this is NOT ENOUGH, even to copy what technical, design, documentation they could not have! According to the pictures from the Internet, they copied it or what?
According to the pictures, only plans to write and create projects, with such "constructors".
The design school is completely lost there, except to discuss the cardboard models of "talented boys" .... have you seen that plot? at what age were the uncles present there? and they were presented precisely as KB designers ...
In general, there is no need to discuss such nonsense, everything "died" there completely!

[tank-master]

It was designed ... by its "specialists" .. who worked at the Kharkov BTRZ ... this is a repair plant ... do not confuse with the KhPZ named after. Malyshev and KMDB ... a tank developer.

[Mavrikiy]

Well, that’s it, by golly .

With a high degree of probability, a hit of this kind would lead to the separation of the tower or detonation of the ammunition.

"Let them fly" (Ivan Vasilievich)

[major147]

Quote: Karaul20

how can she create a tank

When there aren’t enough boards on him

[210ox]

"At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is a little sick" ©

[businessv]

Quote: Karaul20

And what kind of engineer group of the regiment and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?

Everything is easier there, colleague, than ours! Why use the tank building design bureau, if the concept has already been developed - the T-14 and all that remains is to refine the "number of advantages" over the T-14 itself! This is approximately how they think in the engineering groups of the national regiments. And you offer KB! This is superfluous!

[zenion]

They could not take the T-14 as an example. They destroyed them in hundreds and saw that the tank could be pierced with bricks. Why would they need such a tank? They were thinking about a new tank, which was to be called "Ivan Telesik", which had already been put into service. There is a fairy tale. He flew on an eagle and beat everyone.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Karaul20

what an engineering group of the regiment ...

Well, this is're coming out, a version of the once popular heading "och.melyh ruchonok" on Russian TV!

[Peter is not the first]

Fortune telling by drawing.

[Evil 55]

Solid nonsense is written ... The author, apparently, is far from knowing both the design of the tank and the construction of an artillery gun in a tank tower ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: Angry 55

Solid nonsense is written ... The author, apparently, is far from knowing both the design of the tank and the construction of an artillery gun in a tank tower ..

Namely, because this project has one major non-viability - the lack of modern Ukraine’s technical ability to implement such a project in metal ...

[zenion]

You're right. The author is not aware that when a projectile flies out of the barrel, he drags a tank behind him. Therefore, the most important thing is that the crew must grab the barrel and prevent it from flying together in a shell. So trunks do not stock up.

[knn54]

The main thing is that they got a patent. Moreover, they were very far from technology.

[Kuroneko]

Initially, Tirex was going to repeat some aspects of the design of the aforementioned Russian T-14. In particular, it was a desert tower. It was argued that in the end, the tank could become completely unmanned.

Correctly. Because, apparently, even in Ukraine, there were no fools to pilot him. But then the raguli arrived from Galicia ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Kuroneko

But then the raguli arrived from Galicia ...

Actually, the Galician people drew it in some kind of 3D editor, apparently the former 3D designer got into their ranks)))) I don’t understand how it can be considered as some really existing project ...

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Albert1988

Actually, the Galician people drew it in some kind of 3D-editor, apparently the former 3D-designer got it in their ranks

It seems I even know who was the lead designer of this project:

[Albert1988]

Wow, the guy quickly got used to the 3D editor! Cool same))))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This little pride of all Ukraine!

[zenion]

How dare you write this. Once drawn means done. Once drawn - it means the money received. And the first time it was not possible to create it due to theft. Someone who knew about this special steel whistled it, rolled it thinner and covered the roof with armor steel. In addition, he painted the roof with a special composition invisible to either the eye or the radar. People walk past his house and see only the rafters. And all, as one asks Patro, if the cola hut is covered with budesh, soon the boards will be fucked. And he does not care, he knows that the hut is covered. So I had to close the project. If everyone will steal a steelwork, you will never build a tank, steal, that steal, butcher their mosquito!

[KVU-NSVD]

What are the projectile holding rings? what are the problems with hitting the rear projection of the tower? This is not a tank. it's a drawing! In Worldoftanks, the local "armored vehicles" have no problems. This is nonsense - to discuss the technical problems of the artist's fantasies ..

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: Karaul20

The engineering group of the Azov regiment tried to design this tirex, it is generally not clear what it is. In Kharkov there is a design bureau, where the T-64 and Oplot were actually developed. And what is the regiment's engineering group and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?

How? You do not know what this group is?
Yes, after all, they are prize-winners of the Tanchiki Championship of the Lviv Region.

[vkd.dvk]

The separation of the tower. But who needs it, it is uninhabited, after all! Well, give.

[zenion]

Have you even built at least one tank? You don’t know, but speak. Everyone has pedals under their feet and they, like on a water bike, press on the pedals and the tank moves. It can develop up to 90 km per hour on the table and up to 30 km per hour on pidlozi. They didn’t test it on the street. They tried, but the children laughed. If the foot falls off the pedal, then the pedal rips off the Cossack harem pants. In addition, with the sun in an uninhabited tower, the head overheats. The tower is transparent and the trunk has to be held and guided by hands. So build such an invisible tank, and then disgrace this one.

[bars1]

What is it about Tirex, the very construction of the state of Ukraine was initially technically unsustainable ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: bars1

the construction of the state of Ukraine itself was initially technically unsustainable ..

I disagree. "Damned commies", Ukraine left such a material and technical ground that it was possible to conquer the galaxy. So much good that some countries never dreamed of. So, technically, everything was fine there. But politically and ideologically, Ukraine is a complete scribe. The "legacy" has been squandered, territories are being lost, a civil war has been unleashed, the population is shrinking, and so on along the list. The land has already been sold. So the project "Ukraine" was initially doomed to failure.

[Herman 4223]

This design is in contrast to Russia to create problems. Only at the expense of this does it exist. Otherwise, this project has long been torn apart by Hungarians, Romanians and Poles.

[Pvi1206]

One of the goals of Ukraine’s separation from Russia was to damage the country's military-industrial complex ... and the West achieved this ... but if Russia's military-industrial complex is poorly recovering poorly, then there is no need to talk about it ...

[zenion]

Why is Ukraine a military-industrial complex? Well, why, if their weapons are worse. By a special sign, they will bury the Black Sea.

[AllBiBek]

Ie they managed in terms of a new tank to stain bloomers inside already at least at the stage of drawing?

Well, what can I say?

[Kuroneko]

dynamic protection blocks “Duplet” and “Knife” developed by Kiev “Mikrotek”.

Those. "Knife" and doubled "Knife" ("Doublet" is a stupid jva of "Knife" one above the other, what a fucking innovative development). And the weight is horse. = _ =

[svp67]

Honestly, I see only one, but the main reason for the non-viability of this tank, the choice of the base of the T-64 tank, without changing the same dimensions in length. An outdated and weak chassis already pulled a weight of 45 tons poorly, and at 49 it would have definitely broken every 50 km

[Kuroneko]

Quote: svp67

Honestly, I see only one, but the main reason for the non-viability of this tank
..............................................................
and at 49 she would have definitely broken every 50 km

The “planned” parameters announced in 2016: mass 39 tons

This is the weight of a heavy western infantry fighting vehicle (and not even always tracked).
And this is even without regard to talk about cameras from Chinese intercoms a la "Dung" and the required chassis reinforcement, if someone dares to do this on the T-64 base (which is generally impossible without aluminum armor within the framework of the announced weight).

[Zeev Zeev]

And who is stopping the Ukrainians from modernizing the suspension, for example, by changing the suspension?

[svp67]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And who is stopping the Ukrainians from modernizing the suspension, for example, by changing the suspension?

No one, but what, the lack of money ... The design of the T-64 chassis is so peculiar that it is small similar to the chassis of the previous series of tanks, and the models subsequent to it didn’t do that anymore. All because of Morozov’s desire to lighten the tank as much as possible

[Zeev Zeev]

If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there’s a torsion bar. Cannot be changed to a more powerful one?

[svp67]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there’s a torsion bar. Cannot be changed to a more powerful one?

Is there money for this? Is there money to start production of torsion bars with more energy-intensive characteristics? For each tank of such torsion bars 12 pieces are required, plus the work of replacing them

[tank64rus]

Replacing sometimes even the most seemingly insignificant detail sometimes pulls such a tail of problems. that ... it’s better not to touch or change everything. The devil, as you know in the little things.

[Zeev Zeev]

I look at the Israeli experience of modernization, including the Soviet models of equipment. In the same "Akhzarit" torsion bars, engine and gearbox were changed.

[Herman 4223]

Will the bearings in the track rollers withstand the extra load? Not only torsion can suffer.

[zenion]

You do not understand fantasies at all. It is worth calling the T-64 only the T-46, so it immediately loses half of its weight. And if you still have to adapt the buffer from the car, it will turn over other tanks.

[Lord of the Sith]

Now you can implement it in tanks, then the Sumerians will swell with pride and Svidomo like a fish-ball, and defeat Muscovites in virtuality

[Machete]

Yeah, the Iksperdy with a serious face are talking about the revolution in tank building, but the fact that the "revolution" will be based on the ancient T-64 - it didn't bother anyone ????
Revolution needs a NEW revolutionary platform. But no, not heard.
And in general, why say something about children's drawings ????

[zenion]

In vain are you nervous. The platform will be from the wagon.

[Zeev Zeev]

An additional factor of non-viability for the Tirex tank design presented at the time is the rear projection of the tower. If a projectile hits the turret from behind, even on a tangent projection, they themselves will increase the effectiveness of this hit. The figure is marked with a red triangle

I especially liked this moment. It is interesting how the Syrian tankmen from the 9th division, who were forced to retreat in October after the attack of the Israeli "Super Shermans" (tanks with this angle in the rear of the tower), would react to this bold statement. And this despite the fact that the Syrians were armed with new T-62s.
And by the way, instead of the standard 51-mm cannon, instead of the standard 76-mm cannon, 105-mm weapons were pushed onto the SuperSherman MXNUMX tanks, but the tanks did not fall apart from this, and their turret did not fly off. And after all, the "initially unviable construction" worked for more than a quarter of a century, and fought, and very successfully.

[martin-159]

Why did you get here with your common sense. You see, people are practicing wit here.

[Andrei Gurov]

Well, what's on paper, but beautiful.

[Lord of the Sith]

Another "Dung".
Victim of technical homosexual incest.

[AVA77]

Everything is correct. But you, however, gave the wording. fu

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, I'm sorry, I did not come up with this Ukrainian cadavre))

[AVA77]

Technical homosexual incest (laughed heartily ) I will think a lot.

[Maks1995]

Uh ... If there are only pictures, and even old ones, 16 years old, then what to discuss then?
No newer?
These pictures are everywhere in bulk, and about tanks too.

I remember, for example, a drawing: a hybrid of a helicopter with a mirage fighter. About a year and a half ago, flickered wherever possible - it was a response to the amers application to begin the development of a new high-speed helicopter ....

[zenion]

They mastered tank building in a special perverted form.

[4ekist]

Ukrainian sphere of military industry states that no revolution took place in tank building .....

Better to sew lace panties, there will be more benefit.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The design of the Ukrainian tank "
Stop! I understood everything .. Synonyms: vyshyvanka, Ukraine-tse Europe, pots, burslags, on their heads, betrayal, envy, theft and "You owe us" "Russia-akkupant"

[LeonidL]

"Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank, presented several years ago, was, if I may say so, technically unviable." - But the design of the Ukrainian "state" itself is initially unviable! What can a lifeless state produce?

[Yaro Polk]

This is a huge body in Tirex, but such short arms?

[Metallurg_2]

In WOT it is necessary, there are many of the same paper tanks.
In the branch of Ukrainian tanks for lvl 10. And for 1 lvl - the tank "Azovets".

[Reserve buildbat]

Well, why? Took and immediately justified .. if the dream of horse racing designers.
I "designed" such "tanks" at the same level 30 years ago in my lessons at school and was very proud. And here you are ... So on a grand scale in the most ... Can you imagine how many ukrogeniyev will now hang themselves out of grief? !!!

[APASUS]

The Tirex tank uses the same hull as the T-64, 6 rollers. But the internal space is redistributed, and there is no place in the front part, you still have to take into account the uninhabited tower, some of the equipment had to be lowered into the hull
Will they hire dwarfs as tankers?

[smaug78]

With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.

and of course, the author can confirm this with numbers

[Sergey Averchenkov]

What can I say ... Ukrainians will probably be offended by me, but Ukraine itself is not viable. Something blathers, trying to get puffed up, but it looks so pathetic ... Gentlemen (or comrades) Ukrainians, you will forgive me, but it really looks like that. No, I certainly assume that under the leadership of the United States you will achieve lace underpants ... That's all your dreams ... Oh my god ...

[Kubanoid]

But tell others, but why do you need an ejector for a gun in an uninhabited tower?

[Reserve buildbat]

It’s just that there’s no new gun, so they stuck the shot from the T-64. The paper will endure.

[Normal ok]

Who "states"? Which experts "stated"? Authors, learn to write articles correctly!

[Ros 56]

Don’t stop clowns from inventing a bicycle; the more unviable crap they come up with, the better for everyone.

[Zaurbek]

And we then created a viable "Armata" .... and released 2000 pieces and T-15 "Barberry" for it .... solved all the problems of Tanko better than the Ukrainians!

[Zementbomber]

Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank, presented several years ago, was, so to speak, technically unsustainable. In particular, we are talking about statements on the "creation of more powerful ammunition for the Tirex gun." With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.

Especially this problem would manifest itself when shooting on the go.

YOCLMN. The two brothers are "alternative intellectual acrobats". "Engineering group" Bron NG "Azov" and "typeO" IksperDy ", which are replicated by VO. It is clear that no" rex "- no" tee. "Nor" we'll shove elastic ass at once to girls of five "-" Azov "is not able to develop They are excellent infantry - but nothing more. It is also clear that without any fatal problems - even a 125-ton vehicle can shoot from a 20-mm cannon. Suffice it to recall the Sprut-SD at least ...

[zenion]

From the first words, it is clear that the tank is not afraid of a rollback, because in addition to moving on the ground, it could move along the bottom and through the firmament. The main thing is that the firmament would be smooth, but at the same time the tridents of the caterpillar could cling to smoothness to counter-erupt the tank on the ground.

[naburkin]

The main thing is to draw more beautifully and trumpet louder. And there in a year or two they will forget. But there was a minute of "glory".

[Sancho_SP]

The maximum that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine issues is new armored personnel carriers and fairly deep modernization of serial Soviet tanks. Until at least the T-64 is assembled from scratch, it is strange to talk about building a completely new machine.

[Zementbomber]

Kyakhta is awake! "assembled from scratch" tanks since 1992 on Malyshev and Morozov - almost 300 units. Incl. 68 pcs. - a new type (T-84).

[Sancho_SP]

And ending with what year? The Thai order was hardly domesticated half of the Soviet parts and ... that's all.

[Zementbomber]

So far, the latest open data is for 2018. And "Soviet details" were not used when fulfilling the Thai order - this is Russian porn fantasy, nothing more.

[Cypa]

maybe Mark Bolan Tanx

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

The construction of the Ukrainian state was initially unviable.

[Ostup bender]

The sketch, drawn by a group of enthusiasts, was never considered even at the stage of development of TK, not even that it was a question of production.
If the topic of such a technique will be raised, then the khbkm will simply get the “boxer” theme out of the cloth, and go ahead.
It was the Russian Armata that turned out to be "unviable".
Here and the failure of work on the engine, and the lack of components for electronic stuffing, and the lack of guns, and rumors about the loss of cars in Syria (namely rumors, so it’s calm).
And such articles are an attempt to cover up their failures with a fig leaf.