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The design of the Ukrainian Tirex tank was initially technically unviable

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The design of the Ukrainian Tirex tank was initially technically unviable

In 2016, the front pages of Ukrainian publications and news issues of large channels came out with information that Ukraine had begun to develop a promising tank Tirex It was stated that the developers are ready to submit a version of the MBT, which "will revolutionize tank building." It is noteworthy that it was immediately announced about the "number of superiorities" of the future Tirex tank over the Russian T-14 Armata tank.


Now, the Ukrainian sphere of military industry states that no revolution took place in tank building, and Tirex remained a “paper tank” - in the sense that it has no other version besides drawings on paper.

Initially, Tirex was going to repeat some aspects of the design of the aforementioned Russian T-14. In particular, it was a desert tower. It was argued that in the end, the tank could become completely unmanned.

The “planned” parameters announced in 2016: weight 39 tons, main armament - a 125 mm caliber gun with high-power shells, Duplet and Knife dynamic defense units developed by Kiev's Mikrotek. The emphasis was on the fact that the base model for the “iconic tank” should be the T-64.

Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank, presented several years ago, was, so to speak, technically unsustainable. In particular, we are talking about statements on the "creation of more powerful ammunition for the Tirex gun." With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.

Especially this problem would manifest itself when shooting on the go.



Among experts, there is an opinion that if the crew fired from a tank gun on the move, this could lead to exorbitant loads on the rear edge of the turret mount with the transfer of momentum to the ammunition. To avoid deformation of the rings holding ammunition, it would require either the use of a particularly strong alloy or an increase in the thickness of the ring structure. With suitable alloys in modern Ukraine, big problems. In the case of an increase in the thickness of the ring, this would lead to the need to reduce the number of shells in the ammunition by 3-4 units.

An additional factor of non-viability for the Tirex tank design presented at the time is the rear projection of the tower. If a projectile hits the turret from behind, even on a tangent projection, they themselves will increase the effectiveness of this hit. The figure is marked with a red triangle



With a high degree of probability, a hit of this kind would lead to the separation of the tower or detonation of the ammunition.
Photos used:
Arms of Ukraine magazine, 2016
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  1. Karaul20
    Karaul20 10 May 2020 15: 39 New
    28
    The engineer group of the Azov regiment tried to design this tyrex, it’s not at all clear what it is. In Kharkov there is a design bureau where the T-64 and Oplot are actually developed. And what kind of engineer group of the regiment and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 10 May 2020 15: 48 New
      11
      Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out. laughing
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 May 2020 15: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out.

        Rather, those that are "super-duper-duper-tank" Navo ... Azovets "projected", though the garbage cans ended, exactly like the Chinese intercom electronics, so I had to draw in the 3D editor))))
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 10 May 2020 16: 06 New
      17
      Kharkov Design Bureau named after Morozov, this is a SOVIET Design Bureau! On which the draft MBT T 64 was developed, it cannot be related to dill by their very definition ....
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 10 May 2020 16: 13 New
        +4
        Nevertheless, the basis of the group "designing" (stupidly copied the design decisions of the T-14 tank) Tirex is composed of engineers and designers with experience in the famous tank factory named after Malyshev in Kharkov. Avakov brought them to work on his PR project?
        According to information published in the open press, the project of the armored “dinosaur” was created by the engineering group of the infamous Azov volunteer regiment. Which, however, does not mean at all that all the drawings were arrogantly executed on their own knees by the nationalists who went crazy from hatred for Russia. No, the core of the group is engineers and designers with experience at the famous tank factory named after Malyshev in Kharkov. In the Soviet Union, he was the best. So it's probably not about the dreams of amateurs.

        What is the future tank? At the design stage, the new beauty and pride of the Ukrainian army schematically and in fact resembles “Armata”. Reinforced armor protection. The crew is three people. Everything is in an armored capsule designed to provide maximum protection to people. Without leaving the armored capsules, tankers will control cannon and machine-gun fire from an uninhabited tower, which will turn into a combat module. Naturally, this will require a new fire control system.

        Summing up the design innovations, Defense Express magazine writes: “Due to these decisions, we will get a tank comparable to the tanks of our potential enemy. The main problem is that our units can fight at night and be protected. ”

        Another fundamental similarity between Tirex and Armata is that the tank platform is unified in such a way that it can also be used to design a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. In Russia, there is one already, called the T-15, demonstrated to the general public at the parade. The project of the Ukrainian heavy infantry fighting vehicle along with the Tirex is far from being embodied in metal. However, it was drawn by the same engineering group. The virtual BMP has so far been named coquettishly and not menacingly at all - “Azovochka”.

        https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/149988/
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 May 2020 18: 10 New
          +2
          Judge for yourself -
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          experienced in the famous tank factory named after Malyshev in Kharkov.

          this is NOT ENOUGH, even to copy what technical, design, documentation they could not have! According to the pictures from the Internet, they copied it or what?
          According to the pics, only plans to write and create projects, with such "designers".
          The design school there is completely lost, except to discuss cardboard models of "talented lads" .... have you seen that story? At what age were the uncles present? and they were introduced precisely as constructors of design bureaus ...
          In general, there is no need to discuss such nonsense, everything is completely dead there!
        2. tank-master
          tank-master 10 May 2020 21: 28 New
          +2
          Designed ... his "specialists" .. who worked at the Kharkov BTRZ ... this is a repair plant ... do not confuse with KhPZ them. Malysheva and with KHKBM ... a developer of tanks.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 May 2020 16: 24 New
      +3
      Well, that’s it, by golly repeat .
      With a high degree of probability, a hit of this kind would lead to the separation of the tower or detonation of the ammunition.
      "Let them fly" repeat (Ivan Vasilievich)
    4. major147
      major147 10 May 2020 16: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Karaul20
      how can she create a tank

      When there aren’t enough boards on him request
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 May 2020 16: 41 New
        +5
        "At Hitler’s headquarters, everyone is little-groomed"
    5. businessv
      businessv 10 May 2020 21: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Karaul20
      And what kind of engineer group of the regiment and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?
      Everything is easier there, colleague, than ours! Why use the tank design bureau if the concept has already been developed - the T-14 and it remains only to finalize the “series of superiorities” over the T-14 itself! That's about the way they think in the engineering groups of the national regiments. And you offer KB! It is superfluous! drinks
      1. zenion
        zenion 11 May 2020 13: 39 New
        0
        They could not take the T-14 as an example. They destroyed them in hundreds and saw that the tank can be broken with a brick. Why do they need such a tank? They were thinking of a new tank, which was already called up for the army, which was to be called Ivan Telesik. There is such a fairy tale. He flew on an eagle and beat everyone and everyone.
    6. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 11 May 2020 02: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Karaul20
      what an engineering group of the regiment ...

      Well, this is an ukro-variant of the once popular heading "very good hands" on Russian TV!
  2. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first 10 May 2020 15: 40 New
    +4
    Fortune telling by drawing.
  3. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 May 2020 15: 41 New
    +5
    Solid nonsense is written ... The author, apparently, is far from knowing both the design of the tank and the construction of an artillery gun in a tank tower ..
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 May 2020 15: 47 New
      +9
      Quote: Evil 55
      Solid nonsense is written ... The author, apparently, is far from knowing both the design of the tank and the construction of an artillery gun in a tank tower ..

      Namely, because this project has one major non-viability - the lack of modern Ukraine’s technical ability to implement such a project in metal ...
    2. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 13: 41 New
      +4
      You're right. The author is not aware that when a projectile flies out of the barrel, he drags a tank behind him. Therefore, the most important thing is that the crew must grab the barrel and prevent it from flying together in a shell. So trunks do not stock up.
  4. knn54
    knn54 10 May 2020 15: 41 New
    +3
    The main thing is that they got a patent. Moreover, they were very far from technology.
  5. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 10 May 2020 15: 42 New
    +9
    Initially, Tirex was going to repeat some aspects of the design of the aforementioned Russian T-14. In particular, it was a desert tower. It was argued that in the end, the tank could become completely unmanned.

    Correctly. Because, apparently, even in Ukraine, there were no fools to pilot him. But then the raguli arrived from Galicia ...
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 May 2020 15: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Kuroneko
      But then the raguli arrived from Galicia ...

      Actually, the Galician people drew it in some kind of 3D editor, apparently the former 3D designer got into their ranks)))) I don’t understand how it can be considered as some really existing project ...
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 10 May 2020 16: 11 New
        +9
        Quote: Albert1988
        Actually, the Galician people drew it in some kind of 3D-editor, apparently the former 3D-designer got it in their ranks

        It seems I even know who was the lead designer of this project:
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 10 May 2020 16: 17 New
          +3
          Wow, the guy quickly got used to the 3D editor! Cool same))))
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 10 May 2020 20: 03 New
          +2
          This little pride of all Ukraine!
      2. zenion
        zenion 11 May 2020 13: 48 New
        +1
        How dare you write this. Once drawn means done. Once drawn - it means the money received. And the first time it was not possible to create it due to theft. Someone who knew about this special steel whistled it, rolled it thinner and covered the roof with armor steel. In addition, he painted the roof with a special composition invisible to either the eye or the radar. People walk past his house and see only the rafters. And all, as one asks Patro, if the cola hut is covered with budesh, soon the boards will be fucked. And he does not care, he knows that the hut is covered. So I had to close the project. If everyone will steal a steelwork, you will never build a tank, steal, that steal, butcher their mosquito!
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 May 2020 15: 44 New
    10
    What are the shell retention rings? what are the problems with getting into the rear projection of the tower? This is not a tank. this is a drawing! In Worldoftanks, the local "armored vehicles" have no problems. Here is nonsense - to discuss the technical problems of the artist’s fantasies ..
  7. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 10 May 2020 15: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Karaul20
    The engineer group of the Azov regiment tried to design this tyrex, it’s not at all clear what it is. In Kharkov there is a design bureau where the T-64 and Oplot are actually developed. And what kind of engineer group of the regiment and how can it create a tank? Why talk about it?

    How? You do not know what this group is?
    Yes, after all, they are prize-winners of the Tanchiki Championship of the Lviv Region.
  8. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 10 May 2020 15: 56 New
    +3
    The separation of the tower. But who needs it, it is uninhabited, after all! Well, give.
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 13: 55 New
      +1
      Have you even built at least one tank? You don’t know, but speak. Everyone has pedals under their feet and they, like on a water bike, press on the pedals and the tank moves. It can develop up to 90 km per hour on the table and up to 30 km per hour on pidlozi. They didn’t test it on the street. They tried, but the children laughed. If the foot falls off the pedal, then the pedal rips off the Cossack harem pants. In addition, with the sun in an uninhabited tower, the head overheats. The tower is transparent and the trunk has to be held and guided by hands. So build such an invisible tank, and then disgrace this one.
  9. bars1
    bars1 10 May 2020 16: 00 New
    12
    What is it about Tirex, the very construction of the state of Ukraine was initially technically unsustainable ...
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 10 May 2020 16: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: bars1
      the construction of the state of Ukraine itself was initially technically unsustainable ..

      I do not agree. “Damned commies”, Ukraine left such a logistical backlog that it was possible to conquer the galaxy. So much good that some countries have not dreamed of. So technically, everything was fine there. But politically and ideologically, Ukraine is a complete scribe. “Legacy” was squandered, territories were lost, a civil war was unleashed, the population was declining, and so on according to the list. They have already sold the land. So the project "Ukraine" was initially doomed to failure.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 11 May 2020 10: 57 New
      +1
      This design is in contrast to Russia to create problems. Only at the expense of this does it exist. Otherwise, this project has long been torn apart by Hungarians, Romanians and Poles.
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 May 2020 16: 03 New
    +2
    One of the goals of Ukraine’s separation from Russia was to damage the country's military-industrial complex ... and the West achieved this ... but if Russia's military-industrial complex is poorly recovering poorly, then there is no need to talk about it ...
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      Why is Ukraine a military-industrial complex? Well, why, if their weapons are worse. By a special sign, they will bury the Black Sea.
  11. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 10 May 2020 16: 14 New
    +2
    Ie they managed in terms of a new tank to stain bloomers inside already at least at the stage of drawing?

    Well, what can I say?
  12. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 10 May 2020 16: 17 New
    +1
    dynamic protection blocks “Duplet” and “Knife” developed by Kiev “Mikrotek”.

    Those. “Knife” and doubled “Knife” (“Duplet” is stupid jwa of “Knife” one above the other, what an innovative design). And the weight is horse. = _ =
  13. svp67
    svp67 10 May 2020 16: 30 New
    +1
    Honestly, I see only one, but the main reason for the non-viability of this tank, the choice of the base of the T-64 tank, without changing the same dimensions in length. An outdated and weak chassis already pulled a weight of 45 tons poorly, and at 49 it would have definitely broken every 50 km
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 10 May 2020 17: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Honestly, I see only one, but the main reason for the non-viability of this tank
      ..............................................................
      and at 49 she would have definitely broken every 50 km

      The “planned” parameters announced in 2016: mass 39 tons

      This is the weight of a heavy western infantry fighting vehicle (and not even always tracked).
      And this is still irrespective of conversations about cameras from Chinese door intercoms a la "Navozets" and the required chassis reinforcement, if someone dares to do this on the basis of the T-64 (which is generally impossible without aluminum armor as part of the voiced weight).
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 10 May 2020 17: 23 New
      +1
      And who is stopping the Ukrainians from modernizing the suspension, for example, by changing the suspension?
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 May 2020 21: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        And who is stopping the Ukrainians from modernizing the suspension, for example, by changing the suspension?

        No one, but what, the lack of money ... The design of the T-64 chassis is so peculiar that it is small similar to the chassis of the previous series of tanks, and the models subsequent to it didn’t do that anymore. All because of Morozov’s desire to lighten the tank as much as possible
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 10 May 2020 21: 59 New
          0
          If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there’s a torsion bar. Cannot be changed to a more powerful one?
          1. svp67
            svp67 11 May 2020 03: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there’s a torsion bar. Cannot be changed to a more powerful one?

            Is there money for this? Is there money to start production of torsion bars with more energy-intensive characteristics? For each tank of such torsion bars 12 pieces are required, plus the work of replacing them
          2. tank64rus
            tank64rus 11 May 2020 10: 18 New
            +2
            Replacing sometimes even the most seemingly insignificant detail sometimes pulls such a tail of problems. that ... it’s better not to touch or change everything. The devil, as you know in the little things.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 11 May 2020 10: 24 New
              -1
              I look at the Israeli experience of modernization, including Soviet models of equipment. In the same “Ahzarit” they changed the torsion bars, and the engine, and the gearbox.
          3. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 11 May 2020 11: 16 New
            +1
            Will the bearings in the track rollers withstand the extra load? Not only torsion can suffer.
    3. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 13: 59 New
      +1
      You do not understand fantasies at all. It is worth calling the T-64 only the T-46, so it immediately loses half of its weight. And if you still have to adapt the buffer from the car, it will turn over other tanks.
  14. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 10 May 2020 16: 39 New
    +2
    Now you can implement it in tanks, then the Sumerians will swell with pride and Svidomo like a fish-ball, and defeat Muscovites in virtuality laughing
  15. Machete
    Machete 10 May 2020 16: 46 New
    +2
    Yeah, Iksperds with a serious face talk about a revolution in tank building, but the fact that the “revolution” will be based on the ancient T-64 didn’t bother anyone ???? wassat
    Revolution needs a NEW revolutionary platform. But no, not heard.
    And in general, why say something about children's drawings ????
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 14: 00 New
      +1
      In vain are you nervous. The platform will be from the wagon.
  16. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 10 May 2020 16: 50 New
    -1

    An additional factor of non-viability for the Tirex tank design presented at the time is the rear projection of the tower. If a projectile hits the turret from behind, even on a tangent projection, they themselves will increase the effectiveness of this hit. The figure is marked with a red triangle

    I especially liked this moment. It is interesting how Syrian tankers from the 9th division reacted to this bold statement, who in October were forced to retreat after an attack by the Israeli "Super Shermans" (tanks with such an angle in the rear of the tower). And this despite the fact that the Syrians were armed with new T-62s.
    And by the way, instead of the standard 51-mm cannon, the 76-mm guns were pushed onto the Supersherman M105 tanks after peeling, but the tanks didn’t fall apart, and the tower didn’t fly off. And after all, the "initially non-viable construction" worked for more than a quarter of a century, and fought, and very successfully.
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 10 May 2020 18: 15 New
      +3
      Why did you get here with your common sense. You see, people are practicing wit here.
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  18. Andrei Gurov
    Andrei Gurov 10 May 2020 17: 06 New
    +2
    Well, what's on paper, but beautiful.
  19. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 10 May 2020 17: 06 New
    +4
    Another "manure".
    Victim of technical homosexual incest.
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 10 May 2020 17: 23 New
      0
      Everything is correct. But you, however, gave the wording. fu belay
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 10 May 2020 17: 24 New
        +5
        Well, I'm sorry, I did not come up with this Ukrainian cadavre))
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 10 May 2020 17: 32 New
          +1
          Technical homosexual incest laughing(laughed heartily hi ) I will think a lot.
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 10 May 2020 17: 34 New
    +3
    Uh ... If there are only pictures, and even old ones, 16 years old, then what to discuss then?
    No newer?
    These pictures are everywhere in bulk, and about tanks too.

    I remember, for example, a drawing: a hybrid of a helicopter with a mirage fighter. About a year and a half ago, flickered wherever possible - it was a response to the amers application to begin the development of a new high-speed helicopter ....
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 May 2020 14: 03 New
      +1
      They mastered tank building in a special perverted form.
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  22. 4ekist
    4ekist 10 May 2020 17: 35 New
    +2
    Ukrainian sphere of military industry states that no revolution took place in tank building .....

    Better to sew lace panties, there will be more benefit.
  23. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 May 2020 17: 44 New
    +1
    The design of the Ukrainian tank "
    Stop it! I understood Everything .. Synonyms: embroidered shirt, Ukraine-tse Europe, pots, bourgeois, on their heads, betrayal, envy, theft and "You owe us" "Russia-acupant"
  24. LeonidL
    LeonidL 10 May 2020 17: 51 New
    +1
    "Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank itself, which was introduced several years ago, was, so to speak, technically unviable." - But the design of the Ukrainian "state" itself was initially unviable! What life can produce a non-life state?
  25. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 10 May 2020 17: 55 New
    +4
    This is a huge body in Tirex, but such short arms? laughing
  26. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 10 May 2020 19: 06 New
    +1
    In WOT it is necessary, there are many of the same paper tanks.
    To the branch of Ukrainian tanks at 10 lvl. And at 1 lvl - the tank "Azovets".
  27. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 May 2020 19: 29 New
    +2
    Well, why? Took and immediately justified .. if the dream of horse racing designers.
    I “designed” such “tanks” at the same level about 30 years ago in school lessons and was very proud. And you are here ... That's it in a big way to the very thing ... Can you imagine how many dangers are now hanging from grief? !!!
    laughing laughing laughing
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 10 May 2020 20: 26 New
    +4
    The Tirex tank uses the same hull as the T-64, 6 rollers. But the internal space is redistributed, and there is no place in the front part, you still have to take into account the uninhabited tower, some of the equipment had to be lowered into the hull
    Will they hire dwarfs as tankers?
  29. smaug78
    smaug78 10 May 2020 21: 02 New
    +2
    With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.
    and of course, the author can confirm this with numbers
  30. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 10 May 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    What can I say ... Ukrainians will probably be offended by me, but Ukraine itself is not viable. Something blathers, trying to get puffed up, but it looks so pathetic ... Gentlemen (or comrades) Ukrainians, you will forgive me, but it really looks like that. No, I certainly assume that under the leadership of the United States you will achieve lace underpants ... That's all your dreams ... Oh my god ...
  31. Kubanoid
    Kubanoid 11 May 2020 00: 18 New
    0
    But tell others, but why do you need an ejector for a gun in an uninhabited tower?
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 11 May 2020 14: 45 New
      0
      It’s just that there’s no new gun, so they stuck the shot from the T-64. The paper will endure.
  32. Normal ok
    Normal ok 11 May 2020 03: 15 New
    -5
    Who "ascertains"? Which experts "stated"? Authors, learn to write articles correctly!
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 May 2020 05: 44 New
    0
    Don’t stop clowns from inventing a bicycle; the more unviable crap they come up with, the better for everyone.
  34. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 May 2020 09: 02 New
    0
    And then we created a viable Armata .... and released 2000pcs and the T-15 Barberry for it .... solved all Tanko problems better than Ukrainians!
  35. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 11 May 2020 10: 49 New
    -1
    Experts note that the design of the Ukrainian tank, presented several years ago, was, so to speak, technically unsustainable. In particular, we are talking about statements on the "creation of more powerful ammunition for the Tirex gun." With the voiced mass of the tank, firing from a gun with 125 mm high-power shells could lead to problems with the stability of the combat vehicle.

    Especially this problem would manifest itself when shooting on the go.

    EKLMN. Two brothers - "alternative intellectual acrobats." "Engineering group" bronze of NG "Azov" and "TipO" IksperDy ", which is replicated by VO. It is clear that no" Rexes "- neither" tee ", nor" elastic backs we put right into the five girls - "Azov is not able to develop They are excellent infantry - but no more. It’s also clear that without any fatal problems - even a 125-ton machine can shoot from a 20-mm gun. It’s enough to recall the Octopus-SD at least ...
  36. zenion
    zenion 11 May 2020 13: 35 New
    +1
    From the first words, it is clear that the tank is not afraid of a rollback, because in addition to moving on the ground, it could move along the bottom and through the firmament. The main thing is that the firmament would be smooth, but at the same time the tridents of the caterpillar could cling to smoothness to counter-erupt the tank on the ground.
  37. naburkin
    naburkin 11 May 2020 21: 57 New
    +1
    The main thing is to paint more beautifully, and trumpet louder. And there in a year or two they will forget. But there was a minute of "glory."
  38. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 May 2020 00: 16 New
    +1
    The maximum that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine issues is new armored personnel carriers and fairly deep modernization of serial Soviet tanks. Until at least the T-64 is assembled from scratch, it is strange to talk about building a completely new machine.
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 12 May 2020 08: 00 New
      0
      Kyakhta woke up! almost 1992 units of “assembled from scratch” tanks from 300 on Malyshev and Morozov Including 68 pcs. - a new type (T-84).
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 12 May 2020 14: 34 New
        0
        And ending with what year? The Thai order was hardly domesticated half of the Soviet parts and ... that's all.
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 13 May 2020 08: 51 New
          0
          So far, the latest open data is for 2018. And "Soviet details" were not used in the execution of the Thai order - this is Russian porn fantasy, no more.
  39. Cypa
    Cypa 12 May 2020 08: 01 New
    -1
    maybe Mark Bolan Tanx
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Probably Avakov was the chief engineer in the Azov Design Bureau, which is why such nonsense turned out. laughing
  40. Andrey Mikhaylov
    Andrey Mikhaylov 12 May 2020 09: 13 New
    0
    The construction of the Ukrainian state was initially unviable.
  41. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 12 May 2020 09: 45 New
    0
    The sketch, drawn by a group of enthusiasts, was never considered even at the stage of development of TK, not even that it was a question of production.
    If the topic of such a technique is to be raised, then hbkm will simply get the topic of “boxer” out of the cloth, and go.
    The Russian Armata turned out to be “unsustainable”.
    Here and the failure of work on the engine, and the lack of components for electronic stuffing, and the lack of guns, and rumors about the loss of cars in Syria (namely rumors, so it’s calm).
    And such articles are an attempt to cover up their failures with a fig leaf.