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Why there is money, but there’s nothing to hold on to

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Counting money in your own pocket



Despite the fact that during the years of reforms and oil abundance, people, as they say, have completely lost their shame, counting money in someone else's pocket is considered an occupation not entirely decent. But how fascinating it is! .. However, we invite readers to deal not with a stranger, but with our common pocket. Both the federal and regional budgets, and even the National Welfare Fund, are, after all, our readers, our common pocket.

Now it’s not so important that we delegated the right to manage the budget and the NWF to those who seemed to be absolutely democratically elected on the basis of the Constitution, which is still in force. And we still have not been deprived of the right to at least ask where the money is. To exercise this right, it is not necessary to be even a deputy.

During the reign of the current guarantor and his “reserve” Russia managed to earn a lot, even a lot. Although the most enterprising representatives of the Russian elite (the business elite and the political elite) managed to plunder and steal, take away and transport over the hill, much more. Well, we put them on our own neck. We tolerate, and maybe even tolerate now, because after May 12 we were promised "to start letting go."

Don't you think that if today only the general public would moan and yell under the yoke of quarantine, they would shut it up quickly enough? But the business is already moaning and howling, and almost all of it, which is not engaged with the authorities and the oligarchic elite. It is clear that someone very much wanted to take all this and "squeeze".

To squeeze to the maximum, for the sake of which it was started, by all indications, the current "to the ground, and then." However, if you even wring out the ruins, then you will have to build something later. To rebuild, with which our “push-ups” are not doing very well.

Now it’s not so important, because it’s almost impossible to change something. “Something”, with the exception of just the financial situation, because not responding to the moans and cries that are heard everywhere already up to the capital, it becomes simply dangerous for the authorities.

However, the first answers already sound. The answers are not that slurred, but some mocking, which should be generally considered as an open front in relation to the president. As soon as he gives a hint, even through a spokesperson, about some real payments, his entire financial and economic environment immediately rises a wall.

In this wall, or rather, in line, are the unshakable head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina, and the best bankers of Russia, beginning with German Gref and ending with Kostin or Tinkov, and the deputy prime ministers with the deputy prime ministers, and the head physician of all Russia, which scares the eyes.

And then - the academic elite, shyly shy away from atypical representatives of the scientific department, headed by Sergey Glazyev, who have not yet lost the ability to adequately perceive the eerie quarantine reality. In time, our chief financial officer, Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, also managed to get in this line.

In turn, I said: in turn ...


The continuation can always be read by Bulgakov, even better - to see and hear in the cult film, the unique Vladimir Tolokonnikov voiced this simply brilliantly. Did you notice how officials categorically refusing any real help to the Russians literally line up with their excuses and justifications?

And this is after the president’s repeated statements about saving salaries. Well, of course, the salary of whom should definitely be saved and will be saved, and even guarantee surcharges. Crisis, or rather, anti-crisis, of course. To whom exactly "follows", everyone knows without a hint.

Officials, security officials, those who were able to stick to them, and even doctors and nurses were promised something. But to promise, as you know, is not to marry. So, they will most likely “throw” many people; they have already thrown all the information about it in the “big” media.

The finance minister, of course, has nothing to do with it. His job is to count and clarify. We quote: "... you need to live within your means, and spend reserves, and you will have to increase the public debt, but carefully -" we can’t scatter money from a helicopter "."

Beautiful, although one thing here is too obviously contrary to the other. And if Mr. Minister, who also held a higher post - the First Deputy Prime Minister, is ready to put up with the fact that he will have to spend reserves, he must explain why they should not be spent on people. Without them, your entire business is nothing, and the budget, however, is also.

In the end, the budget is not the government’s money, and not even the president’s money, it’s the people’s money, which the people absolutely democratically transfer to the president and the government. And if this is not so, it is better to put the authors in jail right away.

Anton Germanovich’s confidence can be envied - he has already said more than once that “we have created the necessary financial buffers and we will survive even at a price of $ 10 per barrel”. One would like to ask about “we” and “they”. If Siluanov's “we” are “they”, then they really will live at least at $ 10.

It is worth recalling here forgetful that in 1998, at such a level of oil prices, our oligarchs, many of whom did not disappear, and Khodorkovsky even managed to return from places not so distant, without any hesitation, increased exports. And shortly before the default, and even after it. This is the federal one, that is, our national budget is losing a lot at low oil prices, and the oligarchs are drumming in general - that’s how our tax system works.

You can also recall that even the current Minister of Finance once related to its creation, although not the most direct, simply by virtue of the position held. When a group of comrades from the Ministry of Finance, headed by Sergey Shatalov, composed the current Tax Code, Anton Siluanov headed the Department of Macroeconomic Policy and Banking. The same Ministry of Finance, as you know, and without its signature no Tax Code would have ever seen.

Who is last? Not the last, but the last one!


But back in the queue - the finance minister in it at the moment seems to be the last. More precisely, extreme. On it and all the bumps in case of something. They can also dismiss, or better, quarantine. They did see off the premiere, he only had to give a hint about the tax holidays, and even, an unheard of business, about raising pensions and unemployment benefits.

Regarding the coronavirus, the prime minister also needs a comment. After all, Mikhail Mishustin seemed to be from the same cage, he regularly filled the treasury for many years, although his merit was only in what he considered good. By the way, everyone who is seriously interested in the state of the prime minister is ready to inform with good reason that it is huge. This follows from his own tax return.

Why there is money, but there’s nothing to hold on to

Well, filling the budget is not a direct merit of the tax service, but you and I, dear readers, because no matter how many partisans and underground workers we do, we all strive to work “in the white” way. But the head of the Cabinet of Ministers, who had suddenly suddenly gone into a ballot, about which the authors knew by no means firsthand knowledge, always resembled a person-function. And purely functionally, he realized that in no case should he cut into a meat a cow that regularly gives milk. Then you’ll not be able to collect anything from anyone. With all that desire.

And here, after all, oil also fell in price at the wrong time. And who needed the very victory in the war with the Saudi princes? They certainly will not remain unprofitable, as, indeed, are our oligarchs, who have beaten off their right to rob their own gasoline. As a result, we again have to pay for everything, simple scribblers, even with academic titles, and ordinary readers.

In explanation of his categorical refusal, the minister did not say "no money." Because it’s not true. But he said a lot of words and even brought some figures. In lengthy articles and spread-out interviews or tens of thousands of characters, the proportion of numbers is no more than a percentage or two. However, it is worth bringing them here.

200 billion rubles to support healthcare and sanitary-epidemiological measures; for measures in the field of social support (including funds reserved for unemployment benefits) - more than 250; support for sectors of the economy (primarily SMEs) - about 800 more, support for regions - about 200; balance of extra-budgetary funds - more than 400 billion. He named the main ones, and this is without taking into account guarantees.

To finance additional costs associated with supporting the economy, the proceeds from the acquisition of Sberbank from the Central Bank will be used - 1,07 trillion. rub. this year. And you need to dwell on such an increase in costs. Plus, the balances that have passed since last year are 1,1 trillion rubles, of which some will be spent.

And this, coupled with the percentage of GDP losses, as well as discussions about the budget rule for the oil industry, by and large, all that was voiced by the country's chief financier. The numbers, of course, cannot but impress, but they are as general as they are uncontrollable. None, even from the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation.

On the network now it is almost impossible to find data even on purchases of unfortunate masks, not to mention something more serious. It is clear that for the fragments of these billions, even hundreds of billions, there will be a terrible squabble in the corridors of power, lawmakers will also try to cling to something.

Once again, people will have to watch and keep quiet in masks. They, by the way, have already been promised to be made mandatory almost until next summer. Who promised? Yes, all the same lady with a frightening look, clearly not taking the oath of Hippocrates. Where it says: “Do no harm!”


However, today our main character is not this Madame Popova, capable of intimidating even the dead, but another official of a slightly higher level. He, as we see, tried, at least tried to explain to the Russians why, unlike the Americans and Europeans, they are not owed anything from the budget or from the reserves.

But Siluanov didn’t even slow down on this, he managed to make another bold, but, in fact, quite consistent statement. About the possible, and therefore, most likely, inevitable, freezing of deposits of citizens. The largest, of course, the minister even called some unthinkable figures, but ... a trend is important. As the saying goes, the curtain!
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 8 May 2020 06: 11 New
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    always "believed" in this power, and it did not disappoint ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 May 2020 06: 28 New
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      inevitablefreezing deposits of citizens.

      Do not hide your money in banks and corners,
      Carry your money, otherwise be trouble
      And at midnight your money is buried in the ground there,
      And at midnight, bury your money in the land where ...
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 8 May 2020 08: 09 New
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      Quote: Dead Day
      always "believed" in this power, and it did not disappoint ...

      She not only did not "pump up", she demonstrates more and more arrogance and incompetence ..
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 08: 17 New
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        Why there is money, but there’s nothing to hold on to

        And I will answer you this way: “If Medvedev and Siluanov were not born boys, then they would not have toys in childhood” ...
        There is a joke on the topic of “holding”:
        - Honey, why do you have such long eyelashes?
        - And I cried a lot in childhood.
        “You better write more.”

        What can millionaire officials tell us?
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 8 May 2020 08: 54 New
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          "What can the millionaire officials tell us?"
          Just two questions:
          1. The power and membership of the ruling party has become a business?
          2. Whose officials are they - the Russian Federation or whose else?
          Well, the mystery about the Millionaires - why their mothers. Wife’s children became Millionaires without working anywhere
        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 8 May 2020 08: 57 New
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          Why would they "say" something? They just do:


          But to others, who, as the "chief" said - "very important for the economy," without much publicity, quickly and in a timely manner:
          The Ministry of Finance has reduced oil export duties from $ 52 per tonne in April to $ 6,8 in May. The duty on highly viscous oil was reduced from $ 5,2 to $ 1 per ton, for light petroleum products and oils - to $ 2, for dark - to $ 6,8.

          The duty on the sale of commercial gasoline abroad was reduced from $ 28,6 per ton to $ 2, straight-run (naphtha) - to $ 3,7. The tax on liquefied natural gas and on pure fractions of liquefied hydrocarbon gases will not be levied at all, and on coke it will decrease from $ 3,3 to $ 0,4.

          https://lenta.ru/brief/2020/05/01/may/
          These are not some kind of state of emergency and private entrepreneurs, and "small entrepreneurs", whom the "leader" did not hesitate to call "ordinary crooks", "buy and sell" and so on. Unworthy of the "care" of the state in the form of assistance ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 8 May 2020 11: 13 New
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            Quote: Snail N9
            as the "chief" said

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            The face of the "chief" could not have been posted, this is not an advertisement for a plastic surgery clinic.
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 8 May 2020 11: 16 New
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              The face of the "chief" could not have been posted, this is not an advertisement for a plastic surgery clinic.

              There are different versions of this ... "plastic surgery", you say .... well, well ... wink
              1. Altona
                Altona 8 May 2020 11: 17 New
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                Quote: Snail N9
                There are different versions of this ... "plastic surgery", you say .... well, well ...

                -------------------------
                There are no "versions" there, really the face does not age like that.
                1. Snail N9
                  Snail N9 8 May 2020 11: 19 New
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                  There are no "versions" there, really the face does not age like that.

                  I say, there are different versions .... The forgotten German, the disappeared wife, the dog did not recognize, etc. .....
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 8 May 2020 11: 25 New
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                    Quote: Snail N9
                    I say, there are different versions .... The forgotten German, the disappeared wife, the dog did not recognize, etc.

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                    Okay, these are all our value judgments. I mean that the oligarchy always needs a frontman-actor, from whom they then inflate "a figure of the world scale." But if the "figure of the world scale" was harshly fucked by the Arabs, then excuse me, this "figure" does not represent anything at all. I'm waiting for fans and members of her fan club with minuses.
                    1. Snail N9
                      Snail N9 8 May 2020 11: 33 New
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                      Then I read on one forum, from a Russian living in the USA, what measures have been taken there:
                      -All banks themselves sent letters that if you have problems, call, we will transfer payments to start for 90 days. Including a mortgage.
                      - Canceled fines and interest for late payments (Credit cards, utilities, etc. - that cannot be transferred).
                      == minus - banks began to close credit cards and lower limits. Many have credit cards with limits of tens of thousands of dollars, and if a person continues to spend and lose his job, then there is a risk of non-payment. Therefore, banks check people's habits (spending) and identify risky professions.

                      -Banned to evict for non-payment for a period of one year. But at the same time, payment of the lease does not go anywhere and remains at the discretion of the owner.
                      Some canceled, some were allowed not to pay 2 months and this amount was scattered in equal parts for a year, somewhere they gave a discount. In this regard, people with a mortgage are in the most favorable position - banks have transferred payments and that’s it.
                      -Auto insurance promised to return 20% of the cost of insurance for 2 months of quarantine. (xs, like other insurance, I received such a letter). They said that they understand that people are sitting at home and the risk of getting into an accident is much lower, so they go to such a step.

                      -Mobile operators, the Internet, etc. promised not to turn off services for non-payment, but these accounts will not go anywhere.

                      -Did out $ 1200 per adult and $ 500 per child, i.e. a family with two children received $ 3400. For large cities, this is not much, for small ones - you can live 2 months. They recommend spending it on food, as the remaining payments were postponed. Food in the USA costs the same as in the Russian Federation. Meat is slightly more expensive; fruits / vegetables are cheaper. They promised not to cut us. postponed this amount for the first installment, we are waiting for the fall in car prices)))

                      -Unemployment benefit. To the usual, they added $ 600 / week. The wife today spoke with people from an old job. They were reduced hours from 40 to 18 hours a week and they receive unemployment benefits !!! YES, yes, the standard PLUS is $ 600 a week, plus your cutback salary. Total - people with average or below average earnings earn more than before working. Because of this, a law was passed that if the employer calls back the shortened person and he does not come out, he loses the additional unemployment benefit.
                      === Cons are also there - people with high income in the ass. But logically, they have savings and they were allowed to withdraw their money from pension savings without fines. That is, they will not die of hunger.
                      === Asshole business. Yes, they were given a lot of money to Tuev, but that money quickly scattered. Some received very decent amounts, others received nothing. Whoever got up, that and slippers. But then again, it seems that the self-employed also apply for unemployment benefits.

                      === Free food distribution. Arrive, open the trunk, speak out the window, how many people. They put food in the trunk, you can go. Is free. No questions or documents.

                      === They promised to cover treatment and testing from covid even to those who do not have insurance. Those. Hospitals will have to bill the state. HZ how it works, I have good and free insurance, I do not care.

                      === Some cities and states give out extra money. Los Angeles kind of handed out $ 1000 per person (I don’t remember the exact amount, I can deceive) and $ 500 per illegal adult (that's for sure). Illegals no more than $ 1000 per family.

                      And compare, here with this, in Russia:
                      Yaroslavl ambulance doctors, having received a salary for April, were shocked. Doctors, paramedics and drivers, who worked hard for a month during the coronavirus pandemic, expected to receive a premium for this. Moreover, the president promised additional payments, decrees of the Government of Russia on substantial allowances were signed for those who work with patients with coronavirus

                      “Tears, not salaries,” ambulance officers say and show salary sheets for April.

                      One paramedic received a bonus of 860 rubles 89 kopecks for visits to patients with coronavirus.

                      The drivers did not get anything)

                      1. Lord_Bran
                        Lord_Bran 14 May 2020 08: 41 New
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                        About the USA - a lie from start to finish. Already dismantled in detail all and sundry.
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 8 May 2020 11: 58 New
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                      Quote: Altona
                      But if the "figure of the world scale" was harshly fucked by the Arabs, then excuse me, this "figure" does not represent anything at all.

                      unless the Arabs! Traditional partners! Brion reminded Patrushev of a real oil embargo in case of ... what laughing
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 8 May 2020 12: 05 New
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                        Quote: Silvestr
                        unless the Arabs! Traditional partners!

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                        Well, the Arabs in this case are the last stage of the "moral" fall. In general, the word "partners" has sparkled in this context with new colors. hi
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 11 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        Well, the Arabs in this case are the last stage of the "moral" fall.

                        the more offensive this fall request
                2. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 14: 34 New
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                  Quote: Snail N9
                  I say, there are different versions ...

                  Indeed, but even I have doubts that DNA analysis with existing daughters is so expensive and inaccessible.
                  And as for the face. Sorry, but even former beauties do not become more beautiful with age. Even they get bored and they are also abandoned. What does a man think of himself, having corrected his behavior and guarantees, and well-being, who is afraid of personal responsibility, dumping duties on a multi-million army of officials? I do not anticipate the inglorious end of his reign, I am just disgusted that the lives of many people and entire generations like this were lowered into a latrine. I am familiar with this “insight” that comes suddenly, all of a sudden, after a long illness, “irreparable loss” or simply “loss of confidence”. Ugly and disgusting action ...
                  hi
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 8 May 2020 14: 55 New
              +1
              There are different versions of this ... "plastic surgery", you say .... well, well ...
              Not really cloning? belay
      2. alone
        alone 8 May 2020 12: 14 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        What can millionaire officials tell us?

        No money .... But you hold on
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 May 2020 08: 59 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      She not only did not "pump up", she demonstrates more and more arrogance and incompetence ..

      In fact, the current situation is the first crisis requiring a truly quick, calculated and in some places harsh reaction. Everything that was before ... Or sluggish and unhurried, like 2014. When you could think for months. Or let it be loud, but essentially small-town, like 08.08.08/1917/100. And at the first serious test - complete paralysis of power. I swear, the situation is one on one with the spring - in the summer of XNUMX. The central government delves into something, the provinces are brewed in their own juice. All together it seems to work somehow, but ... Exactly what it seems. One loud sneeze and everything crumbled. The only difference is that XNUMX years ago, the clans fought in public, and now they are undercover intrigues.
      The lack of leaders in the country is the main problem of Russia. Not something muttering out of the box, but capable of making decisions and putting them into practice. Well, the bureaucratic apparatus, imprisoned exclusively for servicing itself. What then what now.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 00 New
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The lack of leaders in the country is the main problem of Russia.

        that’s why the crisis is difficult, but as racers say: you can enter any turn at any speed. but getting out of the turn then is very doubtful
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 May 2020 14: 47 New
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The only difference is that 100 years ago the clans fought in public, and now they are undercover intrigues.

        Let me disagree with you. 100 years ago (yes less ...) such events took place that even today they have not lost their relevance. But information about them was unavailable. It was then that all the discoveries, assumptions and conjectures were born in the "cramped kitchen" or "safe house". Today, the secret is quickly becoming apparent, even with exceptions.
        And the main problem of Russia is not in the absence of leaders, but in the fact that “grayness” and “mediocrity” have become the head of state, and she will never allow a bright, extraordinary personality into her ranks. In addition, there are smart people, they are educated and competent, but the “gray primitive” is better organized ... Do you know why? They have a rather sparse list of requests, the general meaning of which is an unprecedented personal enrichment.
        hi
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 8 May 2020 09: 04 New
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      Why there is money, but there’s nothing to hold on to

      Yes, because the elite believes that this is not our money, it is their money.
      How to allocate money to yourself - so to support system companies,
      as a people - so to throw money into a black hole, and "helicopter" money will not save anyone.
  2. NEOZ
    NEOZ 8 May 2020 11: 12 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    always "believed" in this power, and it did not disappoint ...

    power is not a matter of faith! ...
    Do you believe in miracles?
    believes one who knows little!
  3. zenion
    zenion 9 May 2020 20: 01 New
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    How is there nothing to hold on to? Hand in the right pocket, now a little left and hold on! Left-handed people should keep it through their left pocket.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2020 06: 23 New
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    Today, the authorities do not criticize only the lazy, or the one who has completely reconciled to everything on the principle that there is no war. But to pour over the authors from empty to empty, and visitors to the site read this too, already beginning to bother. What specifically can you offer Mr.
    Alexey Podymov, Anatoly Ivanov, Doctor of Economics, Professor
    ?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 May 2020 06: 49 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      it is already starting to bother. What specifically can you offer Mr.

      They offer to listen to Glazyev.
      They suggest explaining:
      And if Mr. Minister, who also held a higher post - the First Deputy Prime Minister, is ready to put up with the fact that he will have to spend reserves, he must explain why they should not be spent on people.
    2. depressant
      depressant 8 May 2020 06: 54 New
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      Podymov and Ivanov are not in the field of decision making. These are two voices, each of which, in the words of the poet, is "thinner than a squeak." And we are in the field of compulsion to make decisions - we also squeak, but there are a lot of us, we should get a roar. So let's drink, colleagues!
    3. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 8 May 2020 07: 34 New
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      Calm down captain, your authors, Majesty, do not criticize, as always he has nothing to do with it.)))
      As soon as he gives a hint, even through a spokesperson, about some real payments, his entire financial and economic environment immediately rises a wall.
      The liberals are guilty as always, but I’d like to ask the authors; they turned out to be in the government, did they start from dampness under the sole authority? And they started there not yesterday, and not even a year ago. You just don’t need to talk about powerlessness, of the Majesty, who removed from the government even the most unsinkable Medvedev, when it was urgently necessary to raise his fallen rating before something, by voting for his amendments, - the term of the reign ends and power and will appeared .. wink
      Now the question is for the captain, but what can you offer, but only so that the authorities hear you and accept the advice as guide to action But others do not succeed in reaching out to the top in word (advice), and experienced ancestors in such cases recommend knocking with butts. Well? winked
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 May 2020 07: 59 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      then specifically you can offer mr.

      Well, for example, return to the topic of collateral auctions, and slightly plant those involved in them. That's just the principle - put a signature? Sit down. Alienated property from the state? Sit down. With confiscation of property. Including relatives. Budget and a half, there typed. Enough to survive a couple of epidemics. Not? You can’t? No way? This was not theft, but who needs theft?
      1. Mastrer
        Mastrer 8 May 2020 13: 11 New
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        That money has long been taken out and to whom it is necessary to give. They can’t be dragged back to the Russian Federation without a big war ... But all the participants, with the slightest shuher, will vigorously resolve in the corners so that if you want, you won’t find it. And the virus does not hurt.
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 8 May 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Today, the government does not criticize only lazy

      So then you are the very thing that neither is lazy to eat. You never criticize power. You justify her.

      Quote: rotmistr60
      site visitors read this too starting to bother

      Well no. Only entered the taste. And you are not lazy!

      Quote: rotmistr60
      What specifically can you offer

      There are always suggestions, but offering the government something is a dead issue.
    6. NEOZ
      NEOZ 8 May 2020 11: 16 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      What specifically can you offer Mr.

      Yes, they can’t do anything !!!
      propaganda smelled from the first lines (contributions will be frozen, while the constitution is still in force, etc. etc.)
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 01 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Today, the authorities do not criticize only the lazy,

      Isn’t it for anything? -Deserved!
    8. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 19: 25 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Today, the authorities do not criticize only the lazy, or the one who has completely reconciled to everything on the principle that there is no war. But to pour over the authors from empty to empty, and visitors to the site read this too, already beginning to bother. What specifically can you offer Mr.
      Alexey Podymov, Anatoly Ivanov, Doctor of Economics, Professor
      ?

      have you heard about Navalny's "5 steps" program? hi

      I clarify - I am more than critical of Navalny, but after all, the TRUTH says in this case !!!
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  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 8 May 2020 06: 32 New
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    we have delegated upstairs - to those who seem to be absolutely democratically elected on the basis of the Constitution

    democratic elections are in the USA ... and everything is decided not by the voter, but by the CEC ...
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    2. mark2
      mark2 8 May 2020 08: 59 New
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      democratic elections are in the USA

      Everything is decided by Russia there. If there is no evidence, this does not mean that this did not happen.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 8 May 2020 11: 18 New
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      Quote: Pvi1206
      democratic elections are in the USA.

      Are you talking about the institute of electors?
      As you know, electors are chosen by the president in the United States.
    4. Alf
      Alf 8 May 2020 20: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      democratic elections are in the USA ...

      How many decades have democratically chosen, but the clans are the same.
  • Dmitry from Voronezh
    Dmitry from Voronezh 8 May 2020 06: 49 New
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    The criticism is justified. The authorities do not seek to take vigorous measures to support the population. They hope for reserves, just to hold out until the moment when oil prices go up again - this is the whole tactics of the "fathers of the people". Who knows, maybe they really will hold out, but this means that the current flawed economic model will survive and all the bad things will continue. But in general, I would like to hear from professional economists specific proposals to change the situation. Where to get the money when oil and gas prices have fallen sharply, the country has an economic recession associated with an epidemic, a large outflow of capital abroad, and lack of access to borrowing on the foreign market?
    1. depressant
      depressant 8 May 2020 07: 24 New
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      In our country, there is a simple, nevertheless, extremely surprising scheme of "production" of rubles: they sold something on the foreign market, received currency, for this currency Nabiullina prints rubles in the relation to the currency that she sets herself. Subsoil and weapons are offered for sale. Well, and some small things - like sapphire crystals. It turns out that if the world around us dies, no matter how much we try to pump out the bowels and churn out the S-400, we will not have more rubles. Nabiullina will only print new rubles instead of those that have become unusable.
      I demand that the Central Bank be removed from the control of the IMF, the Fed and other such ones and put under the control of the Russian government. This must be done so that the amount of rubles is determined not only by the sale of mineral resources and weapons, but also all tangible goods produced in our country. And better with a slight excess - for investing in new projects. How is this done in Europe.
      1. Dmitry from Voronezh
        Dmitry from Voronezh 8 May 2020 08: 36 New
        +8
        As for the Central Bank, there are no objections. As for the shortage of rubles, this is partly true, as the economy clearly does not have enough investment for successful growth. But they are lacking not because of the lack of printed rubles, but because most of the capital is transferred to offshore, spent on real estate abroad and other luxury goods, or deposited on the accounts of foreign banks. As a result, there is nothing to expand or modernize production, nothing to improve infrastructure, incomes of the population are not growing and, as a result, purchasing power, there is no expansion of the domestic market. This problem cannot be solved with a printing press. If you print rubles that are not provided with manufactured products, this will only spur inflation and hardly affect the incomes of the population.
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 May 2020 09: 17 New
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          It is true that money needs to be printed for commodity production, which we practically do not have. And why do we need it, says the government, we will sell oil, we will buy everything for life. And it is precisely for this that the policy of the Central Bank is sharpened. And especially - to withdraw money from the country. The other day Nabiullina, the regulator, gave birth to a directive, according to which all state-owned companies are required to give at least 50% of their income for dividends to shareholders (these are our "state-owned companies"!). And what happens? For example, they were so happy that Sberbank has now been bought out by the state and is now popular! And he is "popular". Because 45,41% of Sberbank shares are owned by American and British shareholders. Last year they received 422, 38 billion rubles - 50% of his profit. Having once bought stocks on the cheap. Then when they were worth a penny. And now they cut the deposits of our citizens. As stocks rise in price. This year, according to experts, they will receive almost a trillion. Defending foreign shareholders, Nabiullina issued her directive, and Siluanov, tenderly caring for foreign shareholders, keeps repeating about the possible freezing of the deposits of our people, otherwise they rushed to withdraw money - for food in self-isolation, or under the pillow, and foreign shareholders from this unconscious behavior of our citizens may suffer due to a decrease in the mass of deposits, hence profit. It has finally become clear who the government's financial bloc is working hard for. Considering the fact that foreign shareholders are mostly stock speculators. And this despite the fact that the rest of the ministries do not work at all. Take them away, no one will notice.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 8 May 2020 12: 29 New
            -10
            Quote: depressant
            And why does it need us, the government says, we will sell oil, we will buy everything for life.

            Who says that? Maybe you messed up with someone from the 90s? It is clear that the authors worked on another order. Professor, damn it. He is a professor like me an astronaut. No numbers, no analysis. Some gossip and speculation.
            filling the budget is not a direct merit of the tax service, but you and I, dear readers, because no matter how many partisans and underground workers we do, we all strive to “work in the white” way.

            Yes, even on the site there are a handful of considerable disappointed bourgeois who seek to go into the gray shadow. No one himself will voluntarily give his money, until the nagan senses the back of his head. Why do you need to be compared to the authors with unfounded statements?
            Quote: depressant
            For example, they were so happy that Sberbank has now been bought out by the state and is now popular! And he is "popular". Because 45,41% of Sberbank shares are owned by American and British shareholders.

            So what? And where is another 54% of the voting shares (controlling stake)? For example, can you show the geography of Sberbank's foreign subsidiaries? What do you think, will the foreign shareholders of Sberbank, who have received the dividends, who have influence in the financial world (non-residents have 45,41% of shares, of which 69,5% are held by the American-British financial syndicate), support its work in foreign financial relations? How can enemies be made allies? Only by making them accomplices. Not familiar? I don't think so. Then why talk about it in that tone?
            Quote: depressant
            Once having bought stocks on the cheap. Then when they were worth a penny. And now sheared the contributions of our citizens

            In numbers, can you? When did they buy? If it's cheap, how much did this package cost? .... etc. "They cut our deposits" - how's that? We put in 100, but can we withdraw 90? Observing how several healthy men rolled into the Duma a cart loaded with a "budget" of 200 kg, I can't imagine how it can be analyzed within the framework of an article for non-specialists, all the more by signing a Ph.D., professor? How can one understand from this who the state works for? I am not an economist, I am an engineer, explain to me what kind of dregs in the article, what can be understood from it?
            1. depressant
              depressant 8 May 2020 14: 15 New
              +3
              A colleague of Hagen, a few months ago there was a conversation at VO about Sberbank. People indicated that the deposit percentage of this bank in the Czech Republic is much higher than in Russia. So the bank was ready to work for minimal profit? For what purpose? And a special hostility is caused by the fact that Sber cannot enter Crimea due to sanctions. And if you leave the foreign territories and enter your own - in the Crimea?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 8 May 2020 15: 48 New
                -3
                Quote: depressant
                And a special hostility is caused by the fact that Sber cannot enter Crimea due to sanctions

                Tell me, what does the RNKB (also state-owned) not suit you? In Europe alone, the Security Council operates in 9 countries. Do you want to put them all under the knife? Unfortunately, everything that works in Crimea is today under sanctions, and quite tough. Therefore, it is more profitable to develop independent institutions there. There are no Russian Railways. But the road is working. Here is what, tell me, the difference from beeches at the entrance, if you get the whole package of services? You understand that no matter how right we are, but we have to confront the entire Anglo-Saxon world with our 147 million and 800 million. Do you seriously think you will win in the direct economic confrontation?
                Quote: depressant
                deposit interest of this bank in the same Czech Republic

                it must be compared with the percentage of another bank across the road in the same Czech Republic, and not in Moscow.
                Quote: depressant
                So the bank was ready to work for minimal profit?

                But what about? In a competitive environment, this is the only way to survive. I am surprised that such elementary things raise questions. request
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 23: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Quote: depressant
                  And a special hostility is caused by the fact that Sber cannot enter Crimea due to sanctions

                  Tell me, what does the RNKB (also state-owned) not suit you? In Europe alone, the Security Council operates in 9 countries. Do you want to put them all under the knife? Unfortunately, everything that works in Crimea is today under sanctions, and quite tough. Therefore, it is more profitable to develop independent institutions there. There are no Russian Railways. But the road is working. Here is what, tell me, the difference from beeches at the entrance, if you get the whole package of services? You understand that no matter how right we are, but we have to confront the entire Anglo-Saxon world with our 147 million and 800 million. Do you seriously think you will win in the direct economic confrontation?


                  "Not knowing the laws - DOES NOT absolve from responsibility" (c) wassat

                  The Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 4, paragraph 1 reads as follows:

                  "The sovereignty of the Russian Federation extends to its entire territory."

                  TRANSLATED into ordinary Russian, you are soooo right now boldly, "for the whole of Ivanovo", declare that "CrimeaNenash" ??? laughing
              2. Hagen
                Hagen 8 May 2020 15: 53 New
                -4
                Quote: depressant
                And if you leave the foreign territories and enter your own - in the Crimea?

                SB makes a profit there. Accordingly, the holder of the controlling stake, i.e. the Central Bank, too. Don't you need CB profit? Do you want to shrink our enterprises to the level of "domestic" ones and leave foreign markets? What's the point? What do you achieve by this, prove?
                1. depressant
                  depressant 8 May 2020 17: 18 New
                  +6
                  Well, let's talk more seriously, since you, colleague, are so persistent.
                  The Central Bank of Russia is a tool originally created by our government and the International Monetary Fund with the goal of regulating the domestic and foreign policies of our country. That is an instrument of influence on political leadership. Specifically-on Putin. So that she, Putin’s policy, doesn’t collapse the dollar. And Putin agreed! In turn, the IMF was created by the US Federal Reserve with the purpose of containing countries that could harm the US currency. Why did Russia crawl into this political bondage? And because she has state-owned corporations, passionately eager to make loans in the foreign exchange market. Like, without this we can’t do anything. The shareholders did not want to invest the received dividends in the development of production, they wanted all the profit left from paying taxes, to put it in their pocket and to withdraw it to the West. And to maintain production, the board of directors decided to borrow dollars on the external banking market. By the way, half of the shareholders of our state-owned companies are foreigners. Not then they came to us to develop our industry. And then, to have a profit, without making an effort. And our shareholders quickly decided to get their own capital.
                  But borrowing from foreign banks is difficult: the loan repayment period is short, interest is high, and they require a deposit. And in general they may not give. And here - the MPF. Sign, says, the Charter, and let your Central Bank - our regulator of your policy, foreign and domestic. And in exchange, borrow in Western banks as much as you want on conditions favorable to your state corporations. Under pressure from their own and other shareholders, they signed ...
                  They signed and immediately grabbed corporate debt in the amount of $ 500 billion. Did you think our country has no external debt? Don't listen when they tell you so. Let the adjective "corporate" not mislead you, our budget will still be giving away - this is the practice. A little that shareholders are drawn to the budget - either according to the list 646, then 1151.
                  So it turns out that the domestic and foreign policy of our country is not administered by Putin, but by the US Federal Reserve through the IMF and further through our Central Bank, that is, through Nabiullina and the foreign shareholders of our state corporations. And, by the way, not knowing about this chain of documents connected with it, many commentators of articles on VO guessed about it - according to Putin’s behavior.
                  To become an independent country, you need to leave the IMF, breaking the agreement on its Charter, pay corporate debt of $ 500 billion and nationalize the Central Bank. Foreign shareholders of state corporations, including Sberbank, will leave on their own, as they will lose the protection of the Central Bank in matters of withdrawing foreign currency abroad. And then Russia will gain independence, and Sberbank will go to the Crimea. But $ 500 billion of debt! Cool hit, huh?
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 9 May 2020 07: 44 New
                    -2
                    Quote: depressant
                    To become an independent country, you need to leave the IMF, breaking the agreement on its Charter, pay corporate debt of $ 500 billion and nationalize the Central Bank

                    And it’s better to fly to another planet to live without neighbors! laughing Too shy to ask, what financial background do you have? I will not try to refute you, for I am not an economist. Judging by the history of the Central Bank in your interpretation, you are also far from fundamental knowledge in banking. Well, after all, what a thing, having read the Internet, we nevertheless run for sores to the doctor. In the economic sphere, for some reason, we consider ourselves the ultimate truth. Even to listen to smart experts with their calculations (only not like the authors of the article) to have a prepared base for perception. And here we are, realizing how to manage our penny wages, we begin to build castles in theories in the air and operate on the budgets of enterprises and countries. This is ridiculous. It is clear that I want to express my own opinion, but let's reason sensibly, we (and you too) are in finances, sorry, not with our feet. Bye....
          2. rruvim
            rruvim 8 May 2020 16: 42 New
            +3
            Bravo! Therefore, bastard Gref convinced Zhik Makarov that there are no "tools" in our country to directly support the population with money. For Sberbank is not this instrument of our country, and all the "passes" about the redemption of SB shares from another enemy bank - the Central Bank of the Russian Federation - do not solve anything.
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 8 May 2020 09: 24 New
          +7
          Unfortunately on our Wishlist they pah !!! And no matter how much the Central Bank puffs up, the Fed will not work out of it anyway. Our system is viable only on resources. Whether it is the bowels or pocket of the population or the labor of the same population (let's say the production of the same S-400)
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 8 May 2020 17: 26 New
            +4
            Rave!!! From the Central Bank does not work out the Fed only by principle. And the new State Bank of the Russian Federation could compete with the Fed, it was already in the USSR. It is clear: different weight categories, but it was possible. EVRAes may be an alternative to CMEA if the CBR is redesigned. It would be better, of course, that our financial elite were reprofiled as lumberjacks.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 8 May 2020 11: 22 New
        -6
        Quote: depressant
        I demand that the Central Bank be removed from the control of the IMF, the Fed and other such ones and put under the control of the Russian government.

        and what will be the consequences?
        there, Gaddafi just hinted at the sale of oil for dinars ... and ..... all ........
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 May 2020 12: 57 New
          +2
          Old NEOZ soldier ...))) Are you afraid? Do not be afraid! I'm with you love
          But seriously ... You know, if in the US things are going to be really bad, if the economic initiative goes to China, and the US will not need an excuse to unleash a third world one. But something tells me that this will not happen. It is just necessary to solve such issues, showing political will, firmness and determination. Turks nationalized their Central Bank, so what?
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 8 May 2020 17: 25 New
            -1
            Quote: depressant
            Are you afraid?

            Well, who is not afraid ...
            Quote: depressant
            Do not be afraid! I'm with you

            This is certainly encouraging !!! )))))))))))
            Quote: depressant
            States will not need an excuse to unleash a third world.

            better to die later (or better prepare)
            Quote: depressant
            Turks nationalized their Central Bank, so what?

            the fact of the matter is that nothing .... inflation .... the fall of the economy ....
      3. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 8 May 2020 12: 40 New
        +1
        I join your requirement.
    2. Altona
      Altona 8 May 2020 11: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      They hope for reserves, just to hold out until the moment when oil prices go up again - this is the whole tactics of the "fathers of the people".

      -------------------------------
      The direct path to the "Venezuelanization" of the country, that is, to a monocultural structure of the economy, is the sale of raw materials of the first processing. It is obvious. That is, the path to an economic dead end and degradation.
      1. Mastrer
        Mastrer 8 May 2020 13: 17 New
        +1
        So this is the main goal.
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      1. rruvim
        rruvim 8 May 2020 21: 53 New
        -1
        What does the oil price have to do with it? In the modern economy, it has nothing to do with it! This is all the "dummy" of our media! In modern economics, influence itself is influence. Those. if you're cool, then you influence. There is one series "ZeroZeroZero", the series shows that it does not matter how the world economy functions, it is important what feeds it. And the logistics of this food is important!
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 May 2020 22: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: rruvim
          In the modern economy, it does not affect anything!

          In the modern NORMAL economy, it no longer affects anything. But not in Russia, where the entire budget depends on Her Majesty the Trumpet.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 04 New
            -3
            This is a MYTH that all sorts of Experts, the media and the government are playing with the common man. Just look at the infographic of the RF income for 2019, it is clear that with prejudice, and then the data on the country's income for 2018 (for the 19th it will have infa in the 20th) from Rosstat and you will understand that the "pipe" has fucked its own. This is bad because everything else did not "take place", and in 20, everyone, except for the "pipe" because of which they fought with the Saudis, were thrown off for one and a half, perhaps five months.
  • Far B
    Far B 8 May 2020 07: 00 New
    16
    which should be generally regarded as an open front in relation to the president
    What a frond, authors ?! The sun-faced one is not with us, but with them, why should they front each other out there? Unless they wanted to split the pie in a new way, which is why they are biting ... And the people, as always, the withers from that bite are cracking. And yours
    we delegated the right to manage the budget and the NWF up
    we put them on our own neck
    it has nothing to do with reality, because none of us delegated anything anywhere and didn’t put anyone on our neck. They themselves sat on our neck and appropriated the right to manage budgets to themselves. But the blame is huge on us anyway, since we allow ourselves to be treated like this. IMHO.
    1. depressant
      depressant 8 May 2020 08: 15 New
      11
      Colleague Dalniy V, you are wrong in attributing to an ordinary citizen the ability to easily understand such a truly diabolical financial subtlety as the independence of "our" Central Bank from our country, as well as what the NWF is. The citizen does not understand that the government deliberately went to this to please a handful of swindlers, on the one hand, who appropriated the subsoil by unscrupulous methods, and on the other, organized private banks. And both types of swindlers work in conjunction not only with each other, but also with political power. Banks speculate on the stock exchange, industrialists, thanks to the policy of the Central Bank, freely withdraw half of their income to the West. How can people understand this link? The authorities, fooling their heads with PR grandiose projects for the development of Russia, have scraped together money for these projects at the cost of the successive impoverishment of the population over the past six years - they say, do not grumble, now as we start implementation, everyone will be happy at once. At the same time, huge funds ($ 3 trillion) were withdrawn abroad in parallel. But the financially illiterate people, considering that Putin is good and the boyars are bad, do not understand anything of this and do not want to deal with it. It cannot and should not! He only feels the increasing poverty and will approach the problem like a Gordian knot - he will cut him down with a general revolt. Just took place - personal! - a personal meeting between Putin and Zolotov, despite self-isolation. The latter modestly reported on the refurbished Coast Guard ships and helicopters. The meaning of Putin's answer is tough: don't be shy about the means! Order everything you need. So he understands where he started.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 May 2020 09: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        You are wrong, attributing to the average citizen the ability to easily understand

        In fact, the complexity of this topic, as such, is at the level of material from a textbook in a secondary or even a junior school. It’s just that they don’t write about it in textbooks - people don’t know about it.
        Imagine if you had not been told about Newton’s laws at school in your time, would you be able to quickly get them out yourself? Yes, you would live and not even suspect that apples, in accordance with the law, are being poured onto the ground.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 8 May 2020 11: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Dalny V
      IMHO

      what is the abbreviation?
      1. depressant
        depressant 8 May 2020 14: 04 New
        +1
        No one explained?
        The abbreviation IMHO is based on the first letters of the expression "In My Humble Opinion". In the Russian version it means "In my humble opinion". That is, a person, expressing an opinion, does not impose it.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 8 May 2020 08: 55 New
    -5
    Well, this power is bad, according to the conviction of a serious part of the country's population ... and what is our alternative RIGHT NOW ???
    This power was SUCH from the very beginning, it did not change and will not change !!! then the alternative should have been born, formed for a long time .... this is logical!
    So where is she, WHO is she? So which can lead to a lot of frightened, confused, angry people, purposeful ???
    If you want to break something, have the ability to restore the broken or build your own, no worse, at least.
    I, not for THIS AUTHORITY, I for the PROSPECTS!
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 May 2020 09: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      what is our alternative RIGHT NOW?

      I remember there was such a program: "Old songs about the main thing." The main one, in your case, is a specific person, therefore with a capital letter.

      1. Need a request in society for an alternative. No request - no alternative.
      2. We need a public reaction to events. No reaction - no brakes in power.

      So silently waiting for a miracle in the future is not the right strategy.

      And besides requests, reactions, and other things, blah blah blah, I really want to see how fellow citizens attend all kinds of mass events, such as voting on the constitution or elections, as consciously and responsibly as possible when ticking.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 May 2020 09: 30 New
        +1
        The MAIN PERSON is a specific person, it can be a collective way ... I don’t care who and how, if only it was a real force which the working people believed, supported, united around not an empty place, but ... Danko, for example, TALE, legend, DREAM ! Or Moses, it seems, that the whole people led.
        I don’t want to "smear porridge on a plate", the topic is long, we discussed it more than once !!! There will be no consensus anyway, so an action is needed that will either prove or refute at least something. So shob would not be on the sofa, not poke your fingers into the keys, but real, shob shoulder to shoulder, nose to nose ...
        By the way, I’m not shying away from anything public and I advise others to do the same! Well, it doesn’t really affect anything yet, but it’s not ALL TOGETHER yet!
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 May 2020 10: 39 New
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          And you don’t have to break anything, colleague rocket757, it’s too painful for our people to give any break. There are two opposing lines in power:
          the first is Deputy Prime Minister Belousov, now acting as prime minister;
          the second is Mishustin.
          The first line is a bunch of "Belousov, Glazyev, Katasonov". The statesmen who stand for the nationalization of the Central Bank and the state plan for the development of their own self-sufficient industry.
          The second line is Mishustin, Nabiullina, Siluanov. These are for the preservation of Russia as a colony of the West. Their line amid the global economic crisis is rather shaky, losing popularity even among big business. In an effort to strengthen themselves in power over the country, these people got confused and issued multidirectional decisions. On the one hand, concern for foreign shareholders with the directive "50% for dividends", and on the other hand, a proposal to use all dividends this year to fight the coronavirus. And on the third - 15% tax on withdrawn capital. And Siluanov also threatens that he will personally monitor the monetary participation of industrialists in the implementation of national projects, to which one can only say "ha-ha!" And all these brethren of the second line offer the people in a rough form shish without butter. Having long and firmly denied him the creation of a sufficient number of jobs. That is, taking the people out of the brackets.
          At the same time, I must say that Belousov is already clearly paying and very active attack in the blogosphere.
          If the prudent Mr. Belousov, a powerful economist of the Soviet school, whose arrival in the government I once welcomed, defeats Mishustin, then improvements are worth the wait.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 May 2020 11: 06 New
            +3
            Any point of view, it is the point of view. Hit, did not hit, it can only be seen later.
            I have my own point of view. Our modern power (typical for the rest of the world, by the way) is a conglomerate of intereses, desires, opportunities for a group of rich, "influential", powerful people, without thinning out, and then finally mowing it down, no fundamental changes in the attitude of power to the country's citizens can be expected ...
            Replacing individuals, even groups of individuals, cannot fundamentally change anything! A SYSTEM rules that does not voluntarily release power and wealth from its own hands!
            Many are well aware of this, so there is no longer any hope for any "nishtyaki" ... there is no direct confrontation, but complete rejection of the current government is firmly rooted in part of our society.
            If you search, even here on the site, there are still many, different opinions! And the truth, as always somewhere there, around the corner.
            Which part of society supports this or that idea is not so important. Not so important, even which side is closer to the truth! It is important which side the real power is !!! And therefore, everything will be decided at the top! People are not allowed to come close to this process.
            "Unity is our strength!" - the slogan, of course, is beautiful, eternal, but we are not united, therefore further reasoning does not make sense ...
            Although, if someone is able to implement the idea of ​​uniting workers and others who may join, in a single FORCE !!! to that and cards in hand.
            In the meantime ... boom, knock on the keys and ......
            1. depressant
              depressant 8 May 2020 12: 17 New
              +3
              Yes, a colleague, people are not allowed to make decisions, but people are used depending on their mood. Because the people are such a mass that puts forward leaders from their bowels, their six performers, as well as the messiahs, who establish moral rules for the balance between leaders, sixes and the people themselves. Such a balance that contributes to the heyday of the country. This is if you do not take into account external pressure. In other words, the people can only pluck out the ruling elite from themselves and, while remaining themselves, give signals in the form of riots if the elite rules not in his favor and is hungry, sire and wretched, or compose the ruler of the praises if he is full and satisfied. We do not have messianic ideologists. We have no moral authorities widely known to the population who could angrily indicate to the authorities that it has gone too far and is not right. Life has become more complicated by moving into the plane of economic tricks. After all, wherever you look, there is a law justifying an abomination. This allowed Putin to stay afloat in the interests of those who once placed him in the kingdom. However, the epidemic violated the stability of his position. People ignore self-isolation, downgrade, showing that Putin is a lame duck. Putin feels this and is ready to gradually abolish self-isolation, removing the people's political pressure on the government. At the same time sacrificing people's health. After all, coronavirus is almost a disability. And then how it goes. There will be a rebellion - and here is a wonderful pro-Soviet Mr. Belousov, they say, I can hear you, people. If all goes well, then - Mishustin with digital injections and a heap of colonial obligations. Moreover, Deripaska decided to stir up the political party. It’s hard for Putin. Only sympathy does not arise. How is it? ... Maneuvered, maneuvered but not caught.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 8 May 2020 12: 34 New
                0
                Quote: depressant
                In other words, the people can only pluck out the ruling elite from themselves and, while remaining themselves, give signals in the form of riots if the elite rules not in his favor and is hungry, sire and wretched, or compose the ruler of the praises if he is full and satisfied.

                In general, there was another option, at the initial stage of development of the Country of Soviets !!! BUT, the collective consciousness is little adapted to the effective control of nominees! And the nominees, gaining power, and the other nishtyaks that it gives, are trying in every possible way to get rid of collective control! No one has learned how to solve this problem yet !!! Therefore, the power of the Soviets was followed by the power of the party nomenclature ... not the best, as it turned out, option.
                1. Walrus fang
                  Walrus fang 8 May 2020 14: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: rocket757
                  BUT, the collective consciousness is little adapted to the effective control of nominees! And the nominees, gaining power, and the other nishtyaks that it gives, are trying in every possible way to get rid of collective control! No one has learned how to solve this problem yet !!!

                  Think well .. And that's all! In the days of the USSR, I remember all kinds of party control, public control, OBHSS, party bureau, etc. .. Especially you won’t turn it over, and if you stole it, then you won’t get out of hand .. Immediately calculated.! negative
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Therefore, the power of the Soviets was followed by the power of the party nomenclature ... not the best, as it turned out, option.

                  They wanted to take a walk abroad, etc. So we walked ..
                  Raika turned around very well with humpback and showed off in the west, only then the blood and rakhruha began ..
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 8 May 2020 17: 00 New
                    +4
                    An official in the USSR was not afraid of a complaint against him personally to his department, he was afraid of a complaint to a party organization. The reprimand on the party line was much worse than reprimanding just for work. Anyone with a complaint could circumvent the bureaucratic system and complain directly to the party organs. And there they took the complaint seriously. For example, even, the distribution of warrants for apartments in new buildings took place under the control of the Party. Now who to complain to? To the prosecutor’s office? But this is a completely different legal body with different tasks.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 8 May 2020 18: 08 New
                      +1
                      I can tell you what it means to get to the study of the party commission ... br r r! For the offense, which seemed to them very significant !!! Although it was definitely their delusional fantasies ... others for real offenses, crimes, "fought" less ...
                      but this does not change the essence of the matter !!! Their entire bureaucratic, party machine, headed by the top "wise men", handed over the country for .... for buns, for their beloved, and they threw us into such an ambush from which we will ever get out, it is not at all clear!
                  2. rocket757
                    rocket757 8 May 2020 18: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Walrus Fang
                    You don’t especially turn it around, but if you stole

                    Partly agree with this. In plain sight there was not much at all ... most knew about it only from jokes.
                    Quote: Walrus Fang
                    In the days of the USSR, I remember all kinds of party control, public control, OBHSS, party bureau, etc.

                    But "the fish has rotted from the head! Why did this all happen? Why did everything collapse?"
                    Just wanted to walk around, wanted to show off? And why did such people get to the top, how could this happen?
                    They are trying to give countless answers, and the truth is slipping away and slipping away from us .... therefore there is no agreement in society.
                    Although truth-truth does not always unite society, many want to know that!
                  3. Alf
                    Alf 8 May 2020 20: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Walrus Fang
                    and if you stole it, then you won’t take it easy.

                    The phrase "At home I smoke Camel, but at work Belomor and God forbid to mix it up" did not appear out of nowhere.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: depressant
            There are two opposing lines in power:

            these lines are shared by the way in which this or that grouping is trying to lead our boat, European or Chinese. But they are united by fear for their savings, security in the event of the departure of their idol. And time is inexorable .... The clock is ticking ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 8 May 2020 12: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              But they are united by fear for their savings, security in the event of the departure of their idol.

              An insurmountable obstacle! Nobody wants to part with what they already have and strive to grab even more.
              1. depressant
                depressant 8 May 2020 13: 29 New
                +2
                Yes, colleagues, no one wants to part with what they have. Because they had it quite recently. It's like ripping a piece out of a hungry mouth. I have read that in the USA several billionaires go bankrupt every year, but the bankrupts do not lose heart: they have the skill of real competition and there will always be opportunities to organize a new business and get rich again. How different it is to our reality, right? Our billionaires go bankrupt in a different way. Just like the billionaire Bossov, who allegedly "committed suicide" yesterday. I even felt sorry for him - the name speaks.
                Well, the 90s are overtaking ...
                And the Federation Council at this time woke up from a lethargic dream and is considering the possibility of declaring quarantine.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 8 May 2020 14: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: depressant
                  bankrupt are not discouraged: they have the skill of real competition and there will always be opportunities to organize a new business and get rich again.

                  This is called a long historical experience! it has already become SECOND NATURE !!! Do not rely on anyone, achieve your goal relying only on your own strength ...... etc.
                  Our affluent privatizers and other gangs / s / ghans .... in short it’s clear what they are ALMOST EVERYTHING!
                  Those. they have different experiences and ways, their actions are somewhat different ... BUT, we don’t care how it is taken away from us!
                  I already wrote, I am interested in PROSPECTS, FUTURE and not only me, because I do not separate myself from our country!
                  WHAT TO DO???
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 8 May 2020 14: 40 New
                    +3
                    What to do? Introduce barrage duties on imported consumer goods and provide unlimited opportunities for their production on our territory by Russian citizens. Let them first copy, like the Chinese. In parallel, start the construction of factories for the production of serious equipment, moreover, systematically, and not in the form of patches. For example, someone did not sell us some type of engine, so you need to make up. Replenish. And if systemically, then they must produce engines of any type. To do this, connect science, eventually slam samples. Copying, improving, adding features, then creating your own. In a word, to work with concern and hard. For this we need a state plan, nationalization of the Central Bank and a responsible government. In general, the country needs a host. And then when they started to check the ministries for work on national projects, and they mastered those projects by 20% and poked around at them, but they didn’t even hear about 80% - the authorities didn’t bring them to the lower ones! Well, I say, if these ministries are dispersed, only the budget will notice, it will cease to be skinny due to the salaries of parasites.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 8 May 2020 17: 52 New
                      +1
                      Good intentions .... WHO IT WILL BE ABLE TO DO!
                      And again we return to the main thing, this SYSTEM is happy with everything!
                      Question - How to change all this?
          3. Altona
            Altona 8 May 2020 13: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            If the prudent Mr. Belousov, a powerful economist of the Soviet school, whose arrival in the government I once welcomed

            -------------------
            That's the man he is intelligent, but not a practitioner. He was attracted mainly as an expert theoretician and a number of his predictions really came true, since he was doing a mathematical analysis of the situation.
    2. tatra
      tatra 8 May 2020 12: 22 New
      +2
      The enemies of the Communists, who imposed on Russia and the Russian people this power and the System, which is beneficial only to them, themselves pointed to an alternative when, twice in the presidential elections, in 1996 and 2018, they staged a large-scale persecution of candidates from the Communists. And they began to hound Grudinin even before the last "Putin elections", because they saw his rapidly growing popularity among the Russian people.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 8 May 2020 14: 00 New
        0
        Well, how much can you? What the hell is Grudinin a communist?
        1. tatra
          tatra 8 May 2020 14: 39 New
          0
          First, do you know how to read? I wrote about the candidates from the Communists in the presidential elections in Russia in 1996 and 2018. Secondly, all those who rage against Grudinin are NOT able to offer their candidacy. In the same way, all those who are raving against the Soviet government are not able to offer the country and people the best power of those who were before the October Revolution and became in the territory of the former USSR.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 May 2020 20: 46 New
            +1
            I didn’t understand my point clearly enough? Why are you smoking in the communists of Grudinin? Why would he be a communist? What did he say about the abolition of private ownership of the means of production? Or the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat?
          2. rruvim
            rruvim 8 May 2020 23: 36 New
            0
            Grudinin is certainly not a communist in the classical sense, he is more a national socialist. Yes, and the Communist Party more socialists than communists. But Grudinin is a good man, a competent business executive, but a bad politician and demagogue.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 9 May 2020 11: 59 New
              0
              The Communist Party is more of the left wing of the EP than the socialists and the more the communists. And what you call socialism in my understanding is not socialism. This is a flow of capital from surplus value squeezed out of employees. Crumbs and leftovers from the master's table.
        2. Alf
          Alf 8 May 2020 20: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Well, how much can you? What the hell is Grudinin a communist?

          There was such a phrase - It doesn’t matter what color the cat is, the main thing is that it catches mice.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 May 2020 20: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Alf
            There was such a phrase - It doesn’t matter what color the cat is, the main thing is that it catches mice.

            Which they like to sculpt wherever they fall. To the place and out of place. This is the case when out of place.
      2. Revival
        Revival 9 May 2020 03: 26 New
        -2
        In 1996, Zyuganiuk became the main enemy of the Communists and the people, betraying the election results, in which he was victorious, and continues
        1. tatra
          tatra 9 May 2020 10: 28 New
          0
          Do you seriously think that in 1996 and now, the enemies of the communists who have seized Russia are capable of giving Russia back to the communists peacefully? You are either too naive or lying.
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 8 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +3
      and what is our alternative RIGHT NOW ???

      There is a lot of things that can and should be done at all levels of both legislative and executive power, as well as in terms of public self-government. But this is the subject of a long conversation and controversy. Now, right now, you need to do: 1) cancel the planned "zeroing", and do not touch anything in the constitution, except for changing the position and status of the Central Bank. 2) immediately cancel the "pension reform" and return the "previous" retirement dates, moreover, drive all working pensioners out of their jobs (yes, it is tough, but it is necessary) to free up jobs for the younger generation, 3) introduce a visa regime with the EURASEC countries and completely revise the migration policy towards a complete ban on the inflow of cheap labor, that is, to introduce the "Japanese" migration system - double deductions to the budget for each migrant worker and the employer's criminal property liability for each illegally working migrant ... the first thing to do to avoid an impending disaster in employment, a collapse of the labor market ... and the complete impoverishment of most of the country's population ...
  • iouris
    iouris 8 May 2020 09: 10 New
    +6
    For the benefit of the case, Mishustin should have called Nabiullina, Siluanov, Gref without haste to give very detailed instructions and personally (!) Personally inform everyone about his illness.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 May 2020 09: 17 New
    10
    What do you argue in the comments?
    The whole gang together, and sun-faced too. Only the memory is short with the media and readers.

    How much news was, as Putin called them friends, awarded orders, letters, in the 19th gave something to Nabibulina, to other financiers ..., .... VTB used to twist pensioners' money from the beginning - how much news did it have at one time?

    Just a short memory, everyone forgot ...
    1. Revival
      Revival 9 May 2020 03: 23 New
      -2
      Yes, they remember, but they are without resignation irrevocably, to the end ...
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 8 May 2020 09: 20 New
    +4
    And why is everyone so embarrassed to say that our central bank is not subordinate to our government? It is an independent body and this is half the trouble. He is not legally entitled to lend to the government of the Russian Federation. And this bank prints rubles, it has at its disposal gold and foreign exchange reserves, the national welfare fund is also at its disposal.
    The basis for decision-making is the recommendations of the IMF and the World Bank.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 8 May 2020 23: 37 New
      0
      Yes, everyone understands that !!! About this and all the fuss ...
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 8 May 2020 23: 41 New
        0
        For me, this is far from clear to everyone. Take a look
        https://youtu.be/0YUybzmpwxE
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 8 May 2020 23: 52 New
          -1
          Yes, you have a look at this constitution, at least Yeltsin’s, at least a new Putin’s. They have not been working for 30 years.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 9 May 2020 00: 05 New
            +1
            Who told you such nonsense?
            This is the main law of the country, on the basis of which all the rules of the norm and laws in the country are written.
            And it works well, though it’s not in your interests because it is written by an American company (USAID), in American interests. It is indicated on the website of this company, it is not hidden.
            Why is the mess in the country? Yes, maybe that's why.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 10 New
              -1
              Well, at least you can understand that the Constitution of a country that is occupied cannot work in principle! Yes, even freedom of movement? Need a pass! Although the freedom to fulfill religious demands. Temples are closed! Although the right to housing. Homeless on the street!
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 15 New
                -1
                Yes, even "The Right to Work". The fundamental principle of any version of the constitution from Yeltsin and Putin cannot be realized now. If I open my own enterprise, I will get such fines !!!
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 9 May 2020 00: 34 New
                  +1
                  The Constitution is not only right, but also the structure of the country, its power. Responsibilities of authorities and citizens.
                  So everything works as prescribed.
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 59 New
                    -1
                    Really? What are you carrying? Can you comment on article 8 of the constitution of the Russian Federation right now?
                    In the Russian Federation, the unity of the economic space, the free movement of goods, services and financial resources, the support of competition, and the freedom of economic activity are guaranteed.
                    1. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 9 May 2020 01: 39 New
                      -1
                      Well, there is also article 56. It says that freedoms can be limited in a state of emergency.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 9 May 2020 12: 39 New
                        0
                        And what already declared a state of emergency?
                      2. Herman 4223
                        Herman 4223 9 May 2020 15: 32 New
                        -1
                        No, they have not announced, but there is a presidential decree on non-working days in connection with the sanitary epidemiological situation. The decree refers to article 80 of the constitution.
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 9 May 2020 23: 24 New
                        -2
                        Yes, sending it is strongly of course)))
  • Revival
    Revival 9 May 2020 03: 21 New
    -1
    And the most interesting is why they are embarrassed to say that this law is still such
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 9 May 2020 10: 47 New
      0
      His people accepted this law. And only the people can change, the upcoming vote is just about that, but in the current conditions it most likely will not be at all, the cart tries for us. And the people do not know and do not require changes. I personally demand a vote for the sovereignty of Russia!
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 May 2020 09: 42 New
    +5
    Well what can I say. Here are striped ribbons handed out for free, and masks are not always and not always possible to buy. But they will fine. What good is this virus for officials, how many additional taxes and fines. Soon, the second oil will overtake the first in profitability.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      Soon, the second oil will overtake the first in profitability.

      this is what the authorities are striving for! More penalties, more restrictions! The formula "money = power = money" works more efficiently than ever
      1. Revival
        Revival 9 May 2020 03: 19 New
        -2
        What a disgrace to the people who allowed themselves to slide to the position of Black Africa, this is degradation, the Ancestors turned fascism down, and we ....
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 May 2020 09: 50 New
    +2
    In explanation of his categorical refusal, the minister did not say "no money." Because it’s not true.
    Maybe the truth. It is not impossible that the entire NWF has long been revealed. It is absolutely possible ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 May 2020 12: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: Mikhail3
      It is not impossible that the entire NWF has long been revealed. It is absolutely possible ...

      judging by the fact that Siluanov hinted at external borrowing, it is.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 8 May 2020 13: 17 New
        0
        They did not disclose it, it is located, like the gold and foreign exchange reserves, run by the central bank, and according to our laws, it does not have the right to lend to the government of the Russian Federation.
        All these reserves are not about our honor. They are for the withdrawal from circulation of excess dollova masses so that inflation is not in the world currency.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 8 May 2020 10: 06 New
    +2
    It looks something like this: And let’s smash bells all over with a swipe, so that everyone around it becomes hurt.
    Some bottomless bottom
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 8 May 2020 10: 09 New
    +5
    The guarantor on the bald patch is already shredded by anyone who is not lazy, it seems that this is also a great HPP
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 May 2020 10: 31 New
      0
      Let's just say: it is very similar to open sabotage. Apparently, this is due to the growing electoral problems of Donald our Trump. If it is HSP, then the time reserve for its implementation does not exceed four to six months.
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 8 May 2020 10: 40 New
    +2
    It will be like in 2014 and 2008. The state-owned company only helps its enterprises, which are either state or quasi-state. Not incorporated go by the forest. A classic of the natural order, move on.
  • alone
    alone 8 May 2020 12: 26 New
    +5
    I can suggest one option why they save money (if they still remain)

    State-owned corporations Rosneft and Gazprom, in the current realities, suffer enormous losses amounting to tens of billions of rubles per day ... So that they do not completely run aground, reserves will be used to support them .. If these corporations run aground, you can safely call 4 - x dancing Africans with a coffin and bury the economy, because the economy sits very powerfully on the oil and gas needle .. And if you bury the economy, you will have to bury the entire political system.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 May 2020 13: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    inevitablefreezing deposits of citizens.

    Do not hide your money in banks and corners,
    Carry your money, otherwise be trouble
    And at midnight your money is buried in the ground there,
    And at midnight, bury your money in the land where ...

    On the field, the field is a field of miracles!
    On the field, the field is a field of miracles!
    On the field, the field is a field of miracles!
    In the country-eh ... under the name - RF. sad
    Happy New Year! hi
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 May 2020 14: 58 New
    0
    Once again, people will have to watch and keep quiet in masks. They, by the way, have already been promised to be made mandatory almost until next summer.
    ... First they put on masks, then they put on leashes ... also not for long laughing
  • rruvim
    rruvim 8 May 2020 17: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    For this we need a state plan, nationalization of the Central Bank and a responsible government. In general, the country needs a host.

    Well host they created. 20 years already OH our brains are rosin. And the rest is not profitable for them.
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 May 2020 17: 06 New
    +5
    The main bank of Russia does not seem to belong entirely to Russia.
    Gref is replacing Chubais.

    "The head of Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, who was mired in corruption scandals, did not join the new international council of JP Morgan Chase. The head of Sberbank German Gref has been invited to replace him. globalism "on the concept of" Hassidic occultism "

    A few days ago it became known that the head of the Rusnano state corporation, who had been hit by security forces and mired in high-profile “laundering” scandals, Anatoly Chubais did not enter the new composition International Council of the American bank JP Morgan Chase. At the same time, a holy place is never empty - a place for a citizen of Russia in the updated council was found: the head of Sberbank, German Gref, was elected a new member of the advisory body of the world's largest bank and one of the most influential spokesmen for the ideas of the Wall Street financial oligarchy. "
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 8 May 2020 20: 02 New
      +3
      Abusive words are not enough for Gref. He was struck by an interview with Zh-ku Makarov (who once put Konstantin Ostashvili behind bars). The impression is that a banker from the most state-owned (so-called) banks lives exactly at the destination of his business trip, in Russia. If he broadcast this on TV in the United States, people in uniform would immediately take him in the worst case, and at best they would send him to a psychiatric hospital. But in Russia this is allowed on the Central Channels, and Siluanov's statement that the ruble is not a convertible currency is also allowed. So what? How does this concern us, inside the country? Why not give out 12 (000 bucks of this most convertible currency) each? If Mr. Siluanov got a call from the Fed and said; "Not in any way! A Russian peasant should not receive anything! He needs to be healthy! He is needed later to raise our economy!", Then it is hard to believe in this. It's just that Mr. Siluanov and this whole Pu and K team are very afraid of angering their owners. We have no sovereign state, no sovereign government, no sovereign President. Some of Solovyov's jokes on Tel Yavisor.
  • rruvim
    rruvim 8 May 2020 17: 17 New
    +2
    It is necessary to change the status of "state corporations", i.e. to really nationalize them. Turn the Central Bank into a State Bank with a fixed lending rate and direct access of the population and business to this rate. To impose tax on currency exchange, with the exception of foreign trade transactions, supported by a transaction passport and a customs stamp. Bomb the world rating agencies with "calibers" (just kidding). But you can compromise them.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 8 May 2020 17: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Hagen

    it must be compared with the percentage of another bank across the road in the same Czech Republic, and not in Moscow.
    ....

    But what about? In a competitive environment, this is the only way to survive.


    Each question contains 95% of the answer.

    In the Czech Republic, Sber has competitors. But in Moscow, NO.
    And therefore, the percentage on deposits in Moscow will be lower, and on loans higher.
    The monopoly is called. bully
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 8 May 2020 23: 47 New
      +1
      Sberbank is not a huge number of branches. Sberbank is a huge number of programmers that Gref brought together. The question is: who do they work for? If it is allegedly PJSC with State participation. All these "graters" from the Central Bank, the rolling of trillions of rubles from one SWIFT account to another are similar to the "dancing of St. Vitus". I think Sberbank works for the International Secret Government as a branch of the IMF. And Gref just got another "degree".
  • Charik
    Charik 8 May 2020 23: 43 New
    0
    Oh life, even for laughing hold on
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 18 New
      -1
      Better hold on to the forearm AKM ... repeat
  • Dmitriyag
    Dmitriyag 9 May 2020 00: 28 New
    +1
    You can talk long and hard: "What kind of power, where is our money ?, etc." I don’t know all the mechanisms in the movement of cash flows, and YOU don’t know everything (politics, conjuncture, business, etc.) The foundations of power are being shaken. I don’t like much either, in this life (I didn’t travel abroad, worked, all my life (slept and back to work), retirement age, no work (there is but ....) It is good to speak from around the corner, when you are not responsible, you do not need to answer for anything. It has always been, just now they gave it to talk. Think, analyze, (what is, what will be) On empty, wrote .....
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 9 May 2020 00: 47 New
      0
      And then you don't need to know. Everything is "in the palm of your hand"! My own, when they slammed the funded pension reform, and then raised the age. The employer tried in vain, when he paid interest to the Pension Fund, it would be better for me to pocket it. But he believed in Putin! Rest in peace! To the former employer, not to the Brigadier.
  • Revival
    Revival 9 May 2020 03: 15 New
    -2
    You know, in short: SHAME to the people who "lived" before ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 May 2020 03: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Revival
      SHAME to the people who "lived" before this ....

      And people naturally give up under such conditions of being. Already several friends and acquaintances "work" as trivial watchmen, despite the fact that they are neither lazy, nor degenerates. What to do then? The day before yesterday I called my former work, something had to be done - a bummer, all the machines had already been taken out. Only swear words remain.
  • Cypa
    Cypa 12 May 2020 08: 25 New
    0
    Hold on to the air!
    1. agond
      agond 14 May 2020 22: 07 New
      0
      Throughout the civilized world, it is customary to help their owners count money, that is, in someone else’s pockets, suddenly someone reflected the wrong income in a declaration and a trusted neighbor informs you that you live beyond your means, then the tax police will help this citizen correct the mistake, and the neighbor will get a bonus, will give, for a civil position.
  • Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 15 May 2020 03: 42 New
    0
    Well, why are they better than plantation colonialists? And WE are more like Indians whose problems, the sheriff does not care.