What awaits the Russian village: a new life or a gradual decline


From time immemorial, the village has been the deepest foundation, the “roots” that not only fed our country in the literal sense of the word, but also constantly fed its human potential with fresh blood, millions of new citizens, from the remote places that gave them life, sometimes reaching the very tops and becoming the pride of the motherland. However, today, residents of the countryside, unfortunately, are mostly associated with grandmothers and grandfathers in our country, which indicates an extremely serious problem that has matured in the country.


Alas, it is the elderly and the elderly who make up the majority of the population of our villages. Generally speaking, the bias towards urbanization in Russia is already very large: almost three quarters of the population lives in cities. However, this ratio was laid down in the days of the USSR and remains almost unchanged all the time after its collapse. A much more painful issue, of course, is the constant outflow of youth from the village - those who can only breathe new life into it, prevent the death of our original rural roots and the inevitable economic and social disasters.

The migration of young people from village to city has always been a fairly natural process. In the end, such moments as getting a serious education, military service without him are simply impossible. Yes, and our eternal "people to see, show themselves" also has not been canceled - youth is characterized by curiosity, a craving for a change of place, everything new. Another question is whether the young villager will return to his father’s shelter or prefer to settle in the city, at any cost, despite the problems and inconveniences associated with this. Unfortunately, this is most often the case today.

Among the main incentives that prompt such a choice, young people from Russian villages indicate the lack of home opportunities for normal employment, social and material growth, the inability to receive a decent education or normal medical care in the village, housing problems, and poor opportunities for leisure and recreation. Many also complain, for example, about poor infrastructure. The lack of the same gasification or roads (available for most of the year, you can only move on a tractor or armored personnel carrier) who you want to beat off the thirst for life in the lap of nature.

The result is a kind of "vicious circle": young doctors and teachers are not rushing to the village, to put it mildly - here you have the lack of education, problems with medicine. Entrepreneurs do not want to start and develop their business there - and then where do the jobs come from? This sad list can be continued for a long time, but I would like to note another. Just the current degree of technology development provides completely unique opportunities in order to attract young people to the village and create acceptable living conditions for them.

After all, learning can be remote, and cultural rest today for most young people is not dancing at the club. You can watch the latest film or listen to the last concert of your favorite band without leaving your home at all - as well as being in the know News. Internet commerce can very well provide for the purchase of almost any goods without the need to make, as before, a trip to a district or even a regional center.

However, in order for all this to really begin to work, the mere provision of our villages with high-quality Internet and communications is not enough (although these points are of great importance today). Good roads are needed that can provide constant transport links. Real state support is required for housing construction, primarily individual housing, provided with soft loans available to the villagers starting their life's journey. The state, and only the state, can provide villages with decent medical care at least at the primary level and create conditions for unhindered and most convenient access for their residents to more serious medicine.

Moreover, the main thing, of course, should be comprehensive support at the state level and maximum stimulation of the development of the country's agro-industrial complex. When agriculture starts working, jobs will appear in the villages, the necessary infrastructure, and normal social and living conditions. Until this happens, we will remain at the level demonstrated five years ago by an anonymous survey among students from the Moscow Agricultural Academy named after K.A. Timiryazev. Alas, 82% of them unequivocally stated a categorical reluctance to return after graduation to their native places.
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  1. Svarog 7 May 2020 15: 06 New
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    What awaits the Russian village: a new life or a gradual decline

    The question is rhetorical .. of course the extinction. It’s not profitable to carry gas to the public domain, and the policy of agricultural holdings is killing the village .. We need a national policy for the development of villages. But our whole policy is aimed at optimization and privatization .. Hospitals have been optimized, few people are ready to live in the village, unable to be treated, study, without gas, etc.
    1. alone 7 May 2020 15: 14 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      The question is rhetorical .. of course the extinction.

      Do you know what’s most interesting? The author pointed out that the degree of urbanization is too high (indicated 75%), complained that there are only old women and old people in the villages and asks the question, new life or extinction?
      The author himself almost answered the answer to the question ..
      P.S. Here it is most logical to discuss what to do and how, so that the village does not die out ..
      1. Lexus 7 May 2020 17: 07 New
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        Here it is most logical to discuss what to do and how, so that the village does not die out ..

        It is necessary to call to account those responsible - the clique and the henchmen. Build a People’s State and revive the village. Nothing else will work.
        1. raw174 7 May 2020 18: 03 New
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          Quote: lexus
          Build a People’s State and revive the village.

          So they built it already, it lasted a record short time, comparable to one human life ...
          1. About 2 8 May 2020 02: 14 New
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            This is with us, there is still China in which, as was socialism, it remains and the economy will soon be the first in the world.
            1. raw174 8 May 2020 20: 09 New
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              Quote: Approximately 2
              China, in which, as was socialism, has remained and the economy will soon be the first in the world.

              No, capitalism is there ...
              1. About 2 9 May 2020 00: 03 New
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                Well, if you yourself have decided so, let capitalism be laughing
        2. Walrus fang 7 May 2020 20: 20 New
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          Quote: lexus
          It is necessary to call to account those responsible - the clique and the henchmen. Build a People’s State and revive the village. Nothing else will work.

          I agree, but everything has gone too far ... hi

          Hope to break out of this ..
        3. tihonmarine 8 May 2020 08: 20 New
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          Quote: lexus
          It is necessary to call to account those responsible - the clique and the henchmen.

          They are afraid of Lenin for sure, remember the name of the Russian State Library (FSBI RSL) - the largest public library in Russia and continental Europe and one of the largest libraries in the world. Which from January 24, 1924 to January 11, 1992 was called January 24, 1924. The Russian Library. V.I. Lenin. Yeltsin after the seizure of power after 20 days removed the name of Lenin. The highest order of the USSR, the Order of Lenin, approved on May 23, 1930, lasted until 1991. The last awarded Order of Lenin in the history of the USSR was the director of the Maslyaninsky brick factory in the Novosibirsk Region, Yakov Yakovlevich Mul. He was awarded this award by Decree of the President of the USSR No. UP-3143 of December 21, 1991 "for his great personal contribution to the reconstruction and technical re-equipment of the enterprise and the achievement of high performance in work." After this, Elzin liquidated the order. The capitalists are afraid of the name of Lenin, like the ghouls of an aspen stake,
          1. CSKA 8 May 2020 12: 38 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Afraid of Lenin, that's for sure

            laughing Yeah, they’re very afraid, they’re so afraid that they don’t give a damn to everyone, they’re so afraid that the monuments didn’t demolish it and the streets were not renamed.
        4. CSKA 8 May 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: lexus
          It is necessary to call to account those responsible - the clique and the henchmen. Build a People’s State and revive the village. Nothing else will work.

          I see you are just a genius of the economy? But what didn’t they revive under the USSR?
    2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 15: 19 New
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      Over the past 15 years, there has been more gas in Russia than the Union for 40. There is no need for such an amount of population in the countryside — different labor productivity, different productivity. In the risky farming zone, it is generally better not to engage in agriculture, with the exception of some areas - this is unprofitable.
      1. Svarog 7 May 2020 15: 21 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        This population is not needed in rural areas

        Your position is consonant with pro-government .. they also do not need anything .. neither hospitals are not population .. Enough pipe. They are content with this.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 15: 29 New
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          The rural school in which I studied was closed back in 1981. The reason is the same - a small number of students - the people fled from village to city. What is the point of keeping a staff of qualified professionals who really have no job? He visited the district clinic in his own homeland - empty corridors, there are no queues and doctors yawning from idleness. Losing qualifications at such a load. Isn’t it easier to organize and equip one hospital in several areas? The authorities are absolutely right in this matter.
          1. Lannan Shi 7 May 2020 16: 11 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Isn’t it easier to organize and equip one hospital in several areas? The authorities are absolutely right in this matter.

            Last year, a neighbor’s stomach ached. I called an ambulance. And she asked me to meet her. Explain where to turn. About 5 hours an ambulance drove. Yeah. Diagnosed some colic. Three days later, I personally took her to the hospital. Prescribed pills did not help. And in general, tablets do not really act on appendicitis.
            Here, personally, the weight will be settled in such an area where an ambulance will go to you for half a day. And he’ll put a diagnosis on the left. And then on the way to get to the hospital to go. With the appendix. And even better with peritonitis. So that they also get half a day. And only then, if you survive, then you will drown for power.
            1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 25 New
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              To my brother with an injury, an ambulance arrived in half an hour. The district center is 26 km away. Non-black soil, not the Kuban.
              1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 18: 06 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                To my brother with an injury, an ambulance arrived in half an hour. The district center is 26 km away. Non-black soil, not the Kuban.

                Yes, you have New Russia straight wassat
                The Moscow Region, 59 km to Moscow, in an analogous situation, the ambulance arrived 4 hours later, given that almost an hour they urged her to come laughing
                1. ANB
                  ANB 7 May 2020 22: 23 New
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                  Moscow region, 7 km from Moscow, the city. The ambulance reports that before 5 hours does not arrive, get to the hospital yourself. Inflammation of the lungs, a child, temperature 40. They traveled by taxi. This is February.
                  Now they just don’t leave because of the crown.
                  So it’s not the village, I guess.
                2. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 09: 48 New
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                  Compare. How many people in the suburbs? And we have one, two and miscalculated. There are practically no queues in the clinic. And ambulances are more in the parking lot than they are driving the calls.
              2. Oleg Skvortsov 8 May 2020 08: 34 New
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                Andrew. lying like breathing. I live in the Kuban. For 80 years, my ambulance drove to my mother for an hour and a half over 6 km. And by the way. about rural schools - at the USSR school in the village. Sahray Adygea work and with 5 students. Not tired of the substance to throw on the fan?
            2. Clerk 7 May 2020 16: 34 New
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              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Last year, a neighbor’s stomach ached. I called an ambulance. And she asked me to meet her. Explain where to turn. About 5 hours an ambulance drove. Yeah.

              Medical facilities are different. Do you even have a feldsher-midwife center in your village where you could provide primary care and diagnostics before the arrival of more qualified help?
              1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 55 New
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                Now there are no FAPs, now it sounds proud: Office of a general practitioner. Doctor and nurse. I don’t know how in other places, but we have a company car on hand for trips around the site and, in which case, it can be used as a medical vehicle.
                1. Clerk 7 May 2020 17: 32 New
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                  Why not? We just have it and it’s called that directly. Earlier - a first-aid post, now - FAP.
                  1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 36 New
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                    Where do you now find the paramedic, that is, a specialist with a secondary medical? They are mainly ambulances and laboratory assistants.
                    1. Clerk 7 May 2020 17: 40 New
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                      It is what it is. The feldsher-midwife station. And if they can tear out a tooth, they can take the vaccine, and they will examine the fluorography, and the throat, and measure the pressure. A pair of female employees, an entrance hall, a short corridor-reception room and 3 rooms plus the smell of medicines.
                      1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 17: 57 New
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                        We have the same eggs in this office, only a side view: an ultrasound cardiograph, a portable x-ray, some kind of ophthalmic device - in short a doctor of all trades. I go fishing with this doctor, he gave me an excursion around his possessions, and he also consumed cognac.
                    2. 210ox 7 May 2020 19: 22 New
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                      Where? Yes, in our central hospital. In the office of the primary appointment sits. And there are FAPs in the area.
              2. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 20: 19 New
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                Quote: clerk
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Last year, a neighbor’s stomach ached. I called an ambulance. And she asked me to meet her. Explain where to turn. About 5 hours an ambulance drove. Yeah.

                Medical facilities are different. Do you even have a feldsher-midwife center in your village where you could provide primary care and diagnostics before the arrival of more qualified help?

                59 km from Moscow, there is NO such point !!!
                There are more than 1000 inhabitants in the village
            3. purple 7 May 2020 17: 05 New
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              5 hours ambulance ??? You live in the taiga where between us. points distance of 300 km?
              If not, then you are lying of course.
            4. I personally had such a sad experience. During the holidays, my left side fell ill. And we are in the village, with mom. That which is not appendicitis, I realized myself. My wife took me to the district clinic. There, on duty, the doctors on duty met with sour birth. We exchanged calls across the corridor for the purpose of determining the diagnosis, we decided that I translated (holidays all the same!) Means colic. They gave an injection, prescribed a pill and a mineral water. Two days later, I still got an appointment with adequate doctors. An ultrasound scan revealed that it was trying to get a kidney stone out. Although such assumptions were not even voiced!
            5. V.I.P. 7 May 2020 20: 26 New
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              Yes, what kind of doctors are now with paid diplomas (which no one will expel for poor progress because they are not money students!). They are full. Zero knowledge, and work in all regions and in all hospitals, and not just in some abandoned places .....
            6. alstr 7 May 2020 20: 46 New
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              Okay village.
              At my classmate in PITERIA, her father went for 4 hours to her father and would go even longer, but she was lucky - they made a mistake and scored 02. The police called. Only then we arrived. Although her father was not saved - a heart attack.
          2. Blacksmith 55 7 May 2020 18: 19 New
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            In the 60s there were 3 hospitals in our area, then 2 remained, and then naturally only one, but new and large. Now only the name is left of it. At the OP carry in Orenburg, and this is 250 km.
            Does the country's leadership really not understand this? If the village dies, the country dies.
          3. About 2 8 May 2020 02: 27 New
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            The authorities will sing to you if only they don’t have to do anything. And you don’t seem to have serious health problems if you think so.
        2. unaha 7 May 2020 15: 53 New
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          No, I mean that with an increase in mechanization and productivity, the number of employees in the agricultural industry is constantly decreasing. And there is no point artificially driving people into the village.
          First, jobs with normal pay, acceptable living conditions and people will stretch themselves. The economy cannot be fooled.
          1. anjey 7 May 2020 16: 49 New
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            The people, in general, somewhere to drive, is not recommended laughing
        3. raw174 7 May 2020 18: 22 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Your position is consonant with pro-government .. they also do not need anything ..

          But he is right. I live in a village, the basis of our agriculture is agriculture, wheat is grown, as in the 70s and 80s. Crops now, depending on the year, are not less than those that were during the union, the sown area has increased due to plowing of pastures. The fact is that earlier, for processing a certain area, it was necessary, for example, 5 tractors, 10 combines and 10 cars to bring the crop, in addition to the MTM, where it was all repaired, with a staff of mechanics, turners and a forge (the main part they made iron consumables themselves, it’s not realistic to get it). Now in the same area you need one universal tractor and one combine. There are all spare parts in the store, one truck with trailers will replace a dozen and a half lows! Here you have a simple arithmetic of agriculture ... The same is in livestock.
          1. Rostovchanin 7 May 2020 23: 48 New
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            The trouble is that those who like nothing to agriculture like to discuss this topic, they don’t even know which way to approach the cow. Machinery has changed, agricultural production technologies have changed, the approach to agricultural production has changed from intensive to extensive, what 25 people used to do on 25 tractors now is done by one tractor driver and in one pass. Plows, cultivates, sows and immediately makes fertilizers. It’s the same with cleaning ... people in the village simply have nothing to do, in the sense you won’t earn money, therefore the whole problem stretches into the city.
        4. mole 7 May 2020 21: 25 New
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          Well, Sobyanin also announced about 15 million superfluous in the village, then added “conditionally”.

          Maybe it’s better to optimize the optimizers !?
          1. raw174 8 May 2020 20: 05 New
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            Well, Sobyanin also announced about 15 million superfluous in the village, then added “conditionally”.

            And he is right. The budget of our agricultural district is subsidized by 80%, the main income is personal income tax, the main payer of personal income tax is the Ministry of Internal Affairs and border guard. FSB management, direct income from the farm is scanty, due to the fact that few people work there, and those seasonal ones, by agreement. But farmers make very good money, their money is spinning ...
            1. mole 9 May 2020 09: 05 New
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              Again, on the example of Tatarstan:
              A few years ago, 3rd place in the production of agricultural products, the first - milk. Where is Tatarstan and where, for example, is the Krasnodar Territory?
              In the area, someone tried to create real conditions? Superficially, like we are doing something that we can, so that you can not be blamed for inaction.
              But the fish goes out of my head.
        5. CSKA 8 May 2020 12: 42 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Your position is consonant with pro-government .. they also do not need anything .. neither hospitals are not the population ..

          You do not have a comment, that is nonsense with a set of words. You would have asked the Communist Party a new campaign.
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      3. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 15: 42 New
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        Yes Th trifles then !!! bully Chubais said that only 15 million people are needed in Russia to ensure the pumping of oil and gas over a hill)))

        And imagine what a “risky” venture of “giving birth to children” is - suddenly there is a new Hitler to be born lol
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          And imagine what a “risky” venture of “giving birth to children” is - suddenly there is a new Hitler to be born

          laughing laughing Accurately said in the bullseye good
      4. Clerk 7 May 2020 16: 24 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        In the risky farming zone, it is generally better not to engage in agriculture, with the exception of some areas - this is unprofitable.

        Correctly. Engaged with \ x is best only where it is justified by the climate and terrain. And not like under Khrushchev everyone tried to sow corn right up to the tundra and plowed up virgin lands!
      5. ser56 7 May 2020 16: 49 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        This population is not needed in rural areas

        village and agricultural is different! request other industries can be developed in the countryside, there are cheap areas hi
        1. 210ox 7 May 2020 18: 59 New
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          It’s about the cheap areas that you turned down. If only in a remote place. All places have their owners, and accordingly prices.
          1. ser56 7 May 2020 20: 13 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            About the cheap area you are bent.

            compare the cost of ha in Moscow and in the village of Bolshie Gryazi hi
            1. 210ox 7 May 2020 20: 15 New
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              And what does Moscow have to do with it? That everything rested against her. Take at least Ryazan and compare prices in the Ryazan region.
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                Quote: 210ox
                Take at least Ryazan and compare prices in the Ryazan region.

                Want to prove that Ryazan is cheaper? laughing
      6. About 2 8 May 2020 02: 18 New
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        It is thanks to such healers like you that we don’t have the agriculture that was during the USSR, and most agricultural products are purchased in China.
        1. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 10: 18 New
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          When the USSR was agriculture. There were no products in stores. The paradox, however. All the land was plowed, and grain was purchased in Canada. Again a paradox. The question arises - whether it was agriculture.
          1. About 2 9 May 2020 00: 28 New
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            Well, of course, there was nothing other than Canadian grain. However, remembering that time, I remember very well how we brought cattle to the meat factory a day later, that the butter was natural and milk, by the way, too, and not like now from powder and margarine. In beetroot departments , carrots, cabbage and potatoes were available in their own Soviet and not China as now, in which there are more than enough different chemicals. Yes, I agree, for meat and sausage and chickens on certain days it was necessary to defend the queue but people had all the refrigerators full. was free like halibut Avag flounder, pollock red varieties were imported only by certain dnyam.Mozhno still continue only worth it? Against this background, your Canadian wheat looks to put it mildly palely, although I do not deny the fact.
        2. CSKA 8 May 2020 12: 55 New
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          It is thanks to such healers like you that we don’t have the agriculture that was during the USSR, and most agricultural products are purchased in China.

          One big lie, especially about China. You run through the numbers as in the USSR was now? Despite the fact that the Russian Federation is smaller both in terms of farmland and in population than the USSR.
          1. About 2 9 May 2020 00: 10 New
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            Sheer lies your speculation, and the numbers can be drawn as you like.
            1. CSKA 12 May 2020 15: 48 New
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              Sheer lies your speculation, and the numbers can be drawn as you like.

              Well, of course. But you do not have a word then the truth. Such a magnificent agriculture was that they bought grain and there was a shortage of everything and everything.
      7. Vikxnumx 8 May 2020 10: 53 New
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        In the risky farming zone, it is generally better not to engage in agriculture, with the exception of some areas - this is unprofitable.

        This zone feeds you!
        Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and Rostov Region, Volga Region ...
        Stop working?
        1. Aaleks1974 8 May 2020 12: 28 New
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          In fact, the zone of risky farming, is the Non-Black Earth Region, and what does the southern regions have to do with it? I, for example, (Novgorod region) the year before last, all the potatoes froze due to the June frosts, last year, because of frosts, there were no apples, you will not guess what kind of dirty trick it will freeze or flood every year, roulette , generally.
          And so, it’s very clearly seen, agriculture in Russia, when, for example, you go south: Novgorod and Tver regions - one weed, maximum mowing near rare farms, Moscow - some dachas, Tula begins to cultivated fields, Lipetsk and to the south all planted!
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      1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 15: 45 New
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        Where does this infa come from, where will they give you a place in the market, etc.? Did you do this, have you tried? laughing
        1. Vol4ara 7 May 2020 16: 52 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Where does this infa come from, where will they give you a place in the market, etc.? Did you do this, have you tried? laughing

          Pf, of course, about 7 years old while living in the village and doing this. Cases when you can come to Moscow market and get to a normal place can be counted on the fingers. Blacks come and start to drive, and then you either pay them or pay them, sometimes if good prices can be merged into wholesalers
          1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 16: 55 New
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            To Moscow - it's understandable)). Although today, owned by blacks, moreover, of my nationality, Food City is quite possible to rent a decent place. Well, it’s better to work in bulk, of course, through outbidding. If it’s more profitable at retail, it’s better to immediately agree and shove Moscow stores in advance.
      2. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 16: 05 New
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        My neighbors trade in the urban market. If before there was a radish, cucumbers, tomatoes and greens, now it’s + flowers (seedlings). Now they began to make more money on seedlings of flowers than on products.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 28 New
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          Now the milk from a private owner has already become 70 rubles / liter. From a farmer a little cheaper.
          1. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 17: 00 New
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            We have 12 rubles in the steppe, and in the mountains from 20 rubles per liter
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            White Clay Village, milk in a three-liter jar from 120 to150 rubles.
        2. aleksejkabanets 7 May 2020 20: 19 New
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          Quote: _Sergey_
          My neighbors trade in the urban market. If before there was a radish, cucumbers, tomatoes and greens, now it’s + flowers (seedlings). Now they began to make more money on seedlings of flowers than on products.

          Here either to work on the land, or to trade, to combine does not work, there is not enough time.
    4. purple 7 May 2020 17: 07 New
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      The question is rhetorical .. of course fading away. It’s not profitable to carry gas to the public domain, and the policy of agricultural holdings is killing the village ..

      You know better than “urban” people. On the contrary, we mostly have people moving to the village, the air is cleaner, everything is cheaper, nature, Internet gas is not a question, there are already cities everywhere. The village is developing .. but one that is no further than 50 km from the city of course
      1. I agree with you. In our family it is so. As the pension came - they try to move to the village. We have “ours”, from where the roots first tear to the city, and then return back))) Now mom is in the village. I am 46 and I begin to understand her. True, to get over there himself, with all the desires ... Oh, how soon! And when my pension approaches, I’ll change something (from a construction point of view) in the “family nest”!
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        Quote: purple
        You know better than “urban” people. On the contrary, we mostly have people moving to the village, the air is cleaner, everything is cheaper, nature, Internet gas is not a question, there are already cities everywhere. The village is developing .. but one that is no further than 50 km from the city of course

        My family and I moved from the village to the city. The reasons are simple, there are no sports clubs in the village, the FAP works from 8.00 to 12.00, you need to go to the doctor to the city, there are no jobs with a salary of more than 8 thousand, I don’t even talk about official employment. There is no gas and is not expected, products in a single store are more expensive than in the city, by about 30 - 50%. The quality of education in our rural school is so low that I don’t want to write. Pastures were leased to or Cossacks, 10 years ago the herd was more than 100 goals, this hour there are not even 20. 20 km from the city, asphalt road. Now I use the house in the village as a summer residence. Maybe the village is developing somewhere, but only agricultural holdings are developing in the Kuban.
    5. 210ox 7 May 2020 18: 53 New
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      A moot point. It depends on where. In my small homeland, Smolensk, the village came kirdyk for the most part. Where I live now, the village is developing in the Kuban. Although yes, young people are leaving to study in cities, many remain. But labor in agriculture is mechanized at a new level — where ten were needed by a machine operator, now they cost two or three. This is time management and, accordingly, economic conditions.
    6. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 05: 00 New
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      The extinction of the village is inevitable, regardless of whether there will be state support for the development of the village or not. Such is the economy and such is the desire of people for a more comfortable lifestyle. For example, my ancestors were farmers. But they can’t drive me into the village. And so around the world. Labor productivity in agriculture is such that a lot of the population in the village is not needed.

      Can the state correct the situation? No! The state can flood the village with money, robbing other sectors of the economy. But as soon as the flow of money runs out, people will again flee from village to city because the state will not be able to create a self-sustaining, economically self-sufficient system in rural areas that requires a large number of workers. Such a system is possible only under the condition that other sectors of the economy become less productive and profitable than the village, that is, this is a condition for the collapse of industry and services. In other words, state support for the village is a waste of money, which is taken not from the machine tool, but from other industries, from other people.

      In Europe, China and the USA, the population flees from villages. I love traveling, so I traveled all over Africa. What still amazes me there is that there are few people in the village. Blacks live in megacities or in small towns. Many lands in African countries are empty, although the people are very poor and often hungry. No, to plow the land, so they’d better starve.

      It is clear that agricultural labor is everywhere difficult and marginal for small producers. Do you readers agree to work in the countryside all your life? Hardly. Large rural corporations demonstrate high profitability in the countryside, but they do not need many workers.

      The transition of the population from villages to villages will lead to a decrease in the population around the world. Both in Africa, and in India, and in Southeast Asia, population growth has slowed significantly compared to what it was in the 50s - 70s (green revolution). And in developed countries, the population has not been growing or declining for a long time. But this is good, because there are so many terrible people in the world (compare, for example, with tigers, which are 10-15 thousand in the world). Let there be fewer people in the world, but people will live better.

      But this does not apply to Russia. Our country needs more people. To do this, it is necessary that the population does not live in large cities, but in small or rural areas. Since large cities are demographic black holes that are supported only by a constant influx of immigrants, mainly former villagers. If there were no external recharge, then the big cities would soon disappear. For example, in Moscow, 3rd generation indigenous Muscovites make up less than 7% of the Moscow population.

      I think that the relative (not absolute) way out of the demographic pit in Russia will be the mass transfer of workers to a remote location. This will allow at least partially relieve large cities in favor of small towns and villages.
      1. EvilLion 8 May 2020 10: 06 New
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        It’s useless to explain to them, they just don’t give a damn about the people who should live in the village so that some citizens can be touched in our country. In the same way, they are ready to leave the small peoples of the north forever in the plague. It’s so sweet. When you watch it from the side, and not live in it personally.

        And Moscow is simply overloaded, but as it were, a city of 500 thousand and a village of 2 thousand are fundamental differences.
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        And in developed countries, the population has not been growing or declining for a long time. But this is good, because there are so many terrible people in the world
        Here is the key and most cynical phrase, most likely a person from the Authority or from the Bubble, to help you amiable coronaviruses, oligarchic wars, new Hitlers and the future 3 World War. am
    7. EvilLion 8 May 2020 10: 01 New
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      And can a simple question, to hell? The village is a center of agricultural production. It is no longer needed for anything else. If agricultural holdings solve this problem, more efficiently than the Stalin collective farms, simply because they represent a trace. stage in relation to these same collective farms, then why do we even need a village? At the same time, gas is really expensive to carry out, and it’s expensive to build schools there, and in general it’s expensive to stretch the infrastructure, and living there is inconvenient. But the fact is, you don't give a damn about it, you don't give a damn about the people who should live in these very villages, away from civilization so that you can be moved, and about the costs that the rest of society will have on infrastructure, which in the case of agricultural holdings can simply not be built, because people live in cities, and come to work in the field, like I do at a factory. This is much simpler and cheaper than serving countless small settlements in which it is simply impossible to build a full-fledged infrastructure.
      1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 27 New
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        I agree with you. But the author of the article has a different ideology. He believes that the state should save on something in order to give money to the village. Why give? Just for the sake of living well in the village, and only for the period of support? Or should I be sober-minded following the example of some European countries that subsidize the agro-industrial complex? But Europe, like the United States, draws a currency without the risk of inflation. But Russia does not possess such luxury, because nobody uses painted rubles abroad to save savings.
    8. your1970 11 May 2020 14: 24 New
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      It’s not profitable to carry gas there
      - Over the past 25 years, more settlements have been gasified - than in the entire history of the USSR ...
      Who did not allow the USSR to gasify the population next to the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod and Soyuz gas pipelines? Who ?? The oligarchs ?? So they were not in the USSR ....
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        There was no point in selling gas to the population for candy wrappers; it would be better to sell it abroad for currency. For the same reason, trade in consumer goods did not develop.
  2. Same lech 7 May 2020 15: 11 New
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    When agriculture starts working, jobs will appear in the villages, the necessary infrastructure, and normal social and living conditions.

    Needless to say, all this will not appear ... without competent state support and people capable of raising the village, all this will remain good wishes.
    There should be a meaningful and long-term state policy stimulating people to work and live in the countryside.
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      Quote: The same Lech
      There should be a meaningful and long-term state policy stimulating people to work and live in the countryside.

      Moreover, so many are ready to leave .. you need to create the conditions .. fully support.
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        Someone diligently minus these ideas.
      2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 27 New
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        Do you want to create such conditions at the expense of the townspeople?
    2. SVM
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Needless to say, all this will not appear ... without competent state support and people capable of raising the village, all this will remain good wishes.
      There should be a meaningful and long-term state policy stimulating people to work and live in the countryside.

      In the days of the USSR, it was good practice .. I got a free education, kindly work it out anywhere in the Soviet Union, distribution, so to speak .. And then please, the whole country got your experience and experience in the villages and supported villages, etc. .
      And now, some economists and lawyers .. and everyone needs huge s / n and in order not to strain too much .. What it should be, the country is huge ..
      1. your1970 11 May 2020 17: 05 New
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        Received a free education, kindly work it out anywhere in the Soviet Union, so to speak distribution
        Is there anyone who wants to go to the steppe? to the taiga? to the tundra?
        If you forgot - and in Soviet times, people sooooo actively mowed down from distribution. Especially urban residents ....
    3. alone 7 May 2020 15: 58 New
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      There should be a meaningful and long-term state policy

      I really apologize, but where did you see Alexei this policy?
    4. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 23 New
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      Government support for the village is largely useless. A modern agricultural worker provides food for an average of 100-200 consumers. Accordingly, now in the countryside in Russia from the point of view of the economy there are too many people, and this is reflected in the low incomes of agricultural workers. For their incomes to become large, the economy needs fewer agricultural workers.
      The meaningfulness of agricultural labor is expressed in the profitability of this labor. If the yield is small or absent, then there is no point in such work. And if the yield is high, then government support is not required. Moreover, where does the state get the money for support? In your pocket? I will not give this support from my pocket.
  3. Amateur 7 May 2020 15: 14 New
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    First you need to define the term "village".
    Is it a half-overgrown street with rickety houses, garden gardens and running chickens or an Agrofarm with a high degree of mechanization and automation with a nearby cottage community of workers? what
    1. Same lech 7 May 2020 15: 21 New
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      Agrofarm with a high degree of mechanization and automation
      And who will be the owner of the agricultural farm? ...
      it doesn’t work out so they will be the newly-minted landowners owning land along with serfs?
      1. Amateur 7 May 2020 15: 33 New
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        it doesn’t work out so they will be the newly-minted landowners owning land along with serfs?

        Of course it will. Capitalism is called. Only peasants will not be serfs, but hired. You might think that the land in the village of "Gnilushkino" belongs to its inhabitants.
        1. Same lech 7 May 2020 15: 39 New
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          Well, then you need to organize your own collective farm and create this very agricultural farm in it ...
          collective economy is a priori stronger than private economy, at least in scale.
          1. Amateur 7 May 2020 15: 54 New
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            Well, then you need to organize your own collective farm and create this very agricultural farm in it ... a collective farm is a priori stronger than a private one, at least in scale.

            So go ahead and with the song. What is in the way.
            Labor productivity in the village of "Gnilushkino" with a drunk tractor driver will always be lower than in the agro-farm. And product quality too. There is really no place for a classic village with 100% home brewing, a drunk tractor driver and a rogue foreman. They will not feed themselves. And farms are quite profitable.
            So "Iron Horse changes a peasant horse"
            1. EvilLion 8 May 2020 14: 41 New
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              Farms are absolutely no different from a collective farm, or rather a state farm, except for the form of settlement with workers. An employee will not work for any workdays (which they even came up with because of the difficulties of sharing profits in agriculture), or products that still need to be converted into money. And in terms of productivity, the same eggs, productivity growth will only be with the transition to an agricultural holding.
          2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 18: 31 New
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            Large private economy is no less effective than collective. Any large farm is more effective than a small one, but there are nuances.
        2. EvilLion 8 May 2020 14: 45 New
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          A serf is called serf because it is attached to the ground and cannot leave it. The hired worker, regardless of the form of ownership, is assigned to the enterprise only by explicit order, for example, during the war, the rest of the time, any hired combine operator can safely quit in the harvesting yard itself and do not care what it would be without him, this is the employer's problem. Or let him pay for some refusal of the right to dismiss.

          And your "jokes" testify only to your ignorance.
      2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 15: 40 New
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        And who cares who you work for? Forty years ago, the state was a landowner.
        1. Same lech 7 May 2020 15: 43 New
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          And who cares who you work for? Forty years ago, the state was a landowner.

          With such a question, why talk about the village at all? smile then you have to go where life is sweeter ... that is, back to the city.
          1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 12 New
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            At one time, I did just that - I left the village to study, and then to the North. Now he’s partially returned: in the countryside, he opened a business and I live in two houses, an apartment in St. Petersburg in Novgorod.
      3. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 29 New
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        Landowners and serfs have long been gone. Do you want the owner of the agricultural farm to be not a professional, but an amateur?
      4. EvilLion 8 May 2020 14: 38 New
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        Alle! The year 2020 is in the yard! All agricultural has long been working on industrial methods in the form of agricultural holdings.
  4. Pvi1206 7 May 2020 15: 15 New
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    the prospect will appear with the advent of jobs ... no other way ...
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      "It's called a city."
  5. Courier 7 May 2020 15: 18 New
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    Small business, the only opportunity to save the Russian village.
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      Small business, the only opportunity to save the Russian village.

      Small business itself seeks salvation ... If this goes soon, only the name will remain from it
      1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 15: 48 New
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        In the village, MB is now working. Unlike big cities.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          In the village, MB is now working. Unlike big cities.

          and therefore 75% of the population live in cities .. belay
          1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 09 New
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            Urbanization is a global trend. In RI, the overwhelming majority of the population lived in rural areas. What was the exhaust?
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              In RI, the overwhelming majority of the population lived in rural areas. What was the exhaust?

              But there was no question of the life or death of the village
              1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 19 New
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                Why artificially support life? In our Novgorod region under the Republic of Ingushetia, we had some of the poorest peasants in the country — the land is scarce. Most went to the latrine, some to St. Petersburg as seasonal workers, some to coachmen, some to barges.
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Why artificially support life?

                  I agree .. to artificially support something that didn’t give anything ... and will never give it .. The problem is that now such villages where you can live, are engaged in agriculture are in a deplorable position ...
                2. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 27 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Why artificially support life?

                  Yes, indeed, why Israel, for example, irrigates the desert laughing
                  1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 19: 30 New
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                    Because they have no choice. Country with a gulkin nose. And why do we need to grow the same wheat on loam when there are chernozems?
                    1. anjey 7 May 2020 19: 38 New
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                      I didn’t say that it is necessary to sow the whole country with wheat, it is necessary to revive a new village, maybe even on new fertile lands, with modern infrastructure, providing the population with new agricultural machinery and the possibility of selling and processing agricultural products, but this requires a powerful state program and this is not even the case tomorrow, our oligators haven’t invented such a strategy.
                3. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 45 New
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                  Give you free rein, you and the artificial feeding of children, you can summarize this wording ....
              2. EvilLion 8 May 2020 14: 46 New
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                But the question of death from starvation in the village did not subside.
    2. Same lech 7 May 2020 15: 41 New
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      Small business, the only opportunity to save the Russian village.

      The private trader did not save the village in the 90s and will not save now.
      1. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 33 New
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        Only a state looking to the future can revive a village ....
    3. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 33 New
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      The rural business will develop if demand for agricultural products increases and it is possible to increase productivity and reduce costs.
      It is possible that this will happen if the climate and drought are killed abroad. Then Russian agricultural producers will be able to increase exports.
      There are simply no other options for the growth of the Russian agricultural economy. And government support for growth will not help much. The main thing is that the state does not interfere.
      1. anjey 8 May 2020 12: 57 New
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        If you clear the shelves of unnatural by-products from different palm oils, which were bought abroad with petrodollars, which has set up supermarket chains all over the store for a long time, then there’s a place for a natural product,
        Only under modern politics, nobody needs the health of the nation, and the state has already disowned everything, there is little left of its people and the thing is in someone’s hat ....
  6. anjey 7 May 2020 15: 18 New
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    A large industrial single-industry town is a modern breeding ground for contagion, pandemics, sins, temptations and big scams, the center where money flows in and it beckons masses of marginalized people and seekers of easy money to its fold, especially among young people. jobs, opportunities to realize their talents or ambitions, but it seems that the future of Great Russia will still be for a one-story country, like in the USA, with small cottage villages, with its farmers, land and fields, now it's time monopolies and it seems to me that it will lead us to collapse in the end, there will be a skew and a big difference in incomes, the same monopolies will take over the land, there will be super-rich and indifference, the middle class of the monopoly will be destroyed, the coronavirus will already ruin many emergency situations and IPs and their poverty networkers will take with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. Doccor18 7 May 2020 15: 29 New
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      "A large industrial monotown is a modern breeding ground for infection, pandemics,
      sins, temptations and big scams, the center where the money flows together and it beckons the masses of marginals to its fold as a magnet ... "
      Yes, not only marginals ...
      Everyone is drawn, and not from good
      of life. Means for more-
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      of existence
      more in the countryside
      no and not foreseen.
      There were only hard workers
      farmers who need
      give out orders.
      And there are not many left.
      1. anjey 7 May 2020 15: 37 New
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        Here, before, as in the proverb, where he was born there and useful, and now people are squeezed out of villages to villages in New Babylon, this destroys normal families, the way associated with love for their land, for the land, okay, while young and healthy, you can endure hardship and ride on wages and around the country, but this is not for everyone, and there are more minuses than pluses for the person himself, as an individual and citizen.
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 16: 33 New
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          Where are you going to get so much agricultural produce with current technology and productivity? Something for export, and the rest where? Selling for nothing is not an option - it's a poor farmer.
          1. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 23 New
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            I wonder where in all ages poor Russia has put its agricultural products laughing
            1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 18: 27 New
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              There wasn’t much surplus. Now with current farming technologies they will be in huge quantities.
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                There wasn’t much surplus. Now with current farming technologies they will be in huge quantities.

                So, we already in 2016 became the No. 1 wheat exporter in the world. In the same way as in imperial times, it was not that in Soviet times they bought abroad not just wheat, but even manure.
                1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 19: 45 New
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                  Wheat is quoted on foreign markets. Carrots and other root crops - no.
                  1. Clerk 7 May 2020 19: 54 New
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                    Well, bread is the head of everything.
        2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 35 New
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          So go to the village, plow the land, love the land ......
          1. anjey 8 May 2020 13: 25 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            So go to the village, plow the land, love the land ......

            Thanks to the destroyed and tattered shacks, weed-covered fields with looted MTS, killed infrastructure, hired and disempowered semi-slaves, create normal conditions for life and work, bring people land ownership, build modern housing under long-term credit, arrange production and provision modern agricultural machinery, the ability to sell and process products, without semi-criminal intermediaries, then something positive will happen with our agriculture, but this is not under our power how to give.
      2. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 15: 43 New
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        Yeah. Therefore, in the Krasnodar Territory to buy good zemlitsa problem)).
      3. anjey 7 May 2020 15: 46 New
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        I’m still wondering why Jews need kibbutzim and settlements, there are not many single-industry towns in Israel, they are spreading like ants, but why? laughingSo then microscopic Israel and then Russia, two big differences ??? laughing
        1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 19: 02 New
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          In Russia there are more and more interesting opportunities - I personally hi In microscopic Israel, you would like it — at a minimum, equality of opportunity, minimal - 100 thousand rubles, health care - the best in the world, the army - so you are already not at that age)).
          1. anjey 7 May 2020 19: 45 New
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            But it would be more interesting for me to truly in a revived Russia, without beggars, with the middle class, where a citizen and patriot of the country was truly devoted to her and free, would not be a disempowered slave in his country, would feel state support on himself and his children and would give life for your beloved country is easy, but only years will not be enough to live up to such bright years, the dreams of the old idealist laughing
            1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 19: 49 New
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              It's good. It should be so. But- boring laughing
              1. anjey 7 May 2020 20: 05 New
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                Like, you are doing business in Israel now and living bored, always within certain limits, and in Russia the scale in everything, creativity and surprises. laughing
                1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 20: 06 New
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                  Something like that )). Although about creativity - in Israel it is necessary - the competition is fierce.
                  I'm bored. Normal people on the contrary laughing
            2. Clerk 7 May 2020 20: 01 New
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              de a citizen and patriot of the country was truly loyal to her and free, would not be a powerless slave in his country, would feel state support on himself and his children and would be ready to give his life easily for his beloved country,

              Well, why aren't you years old! Here I am, this patriot repeat !
              1. anjey 7 May 2020 20: 07 New
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                I’m also talking about some kind of progressive movement of the state towards the people. laughing
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                  Specifically, what kind of movement?
            3. anjey 8 May 2020 04: 12 New
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              I recalled a classic
              That's just to live in this time of beauty will not have neither me nor you
              laughing
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      Pol Pot counted just as well.
  7. knn54 7 May 2020 15: 21 New
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    CITY oligarchs and officials do not need a village.
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      because on his land is practically independent.
      1. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 16: 12 New
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        Now I was talking with my neighbors. They have three horses. In the village rented 1 hectare of land for 20 years. She is the head of the technical department at a thermal station, her husband is an engineer in a heat distribution company. Horses for a ride, for the soul.
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      Quote: knn54
      CITY oligarchs and officials do not need a village.

      So Deripaska didn’t invest so much in agriculture. And Alekperov.
      1. anjey 7 May 2020 15: 56 New
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        God forbid, but this is again monopoly and the use of cheap labor, with the eternal "this is not my gentleman mov" in the villages, but the authorities do not need a private property class in the countryside today.
        1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 16: 43 New
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          Why a monopolist? )) Each of them is up to the competitors
          As for farmers - there was significant state support, now there are only preferential two-percent loans - but this is due to a bunch of other budgetary burdens.
          1. anjey 7 May 2020 16: 59 New
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            It’s not all, a strategic, political-agrarian breakthrough is needed on the settlement of Russian lands, something like the Stolypin reform of a new format and with a state development and support program for the future, so that a kind of middle-class layer of owners on their land is born. Why didn’t you comment on Israeli settlements, are they for you in shelled deserts for what ??? laughing
            1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 17: 09 New
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              What do Israeli settlements have to do with it? lol You are now talking about one of the leading countries in the field of agriculture and many other indicators of the world - they will somehow manage wink With shelling too.
              As for the breakthrough in the field of the agricultural enterprise, there are many areas in the country where it is worth investing. Medicine, pensions and, education, etc.
              1. anjey 7 May 2020 17: 14 New
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                And despite the fact that territories should not be lost, they must be populated. This is an axiom.
                1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 18: 33 New
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                  How many people do you need to populate all Russian territories? It is necessary to invest where it is cost-effective, and in the Far East it is necessary to make a large offshore with the condition of employing at least 70% of Russian citizens from the enterprise personnel.
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                    It is interesting and where the people used to come from in these territories, with that underdeveloped medicine, illiteracy, wars and illnesses, forests, fields and rivers got to the farthest reaches and developed, they fed themselves and fed the country.
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                      Because people went there for a better life than they had before
                      1. anjey 8 May 2020 13: 33 New
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                        Golden words, now that something needs to be revived, people need to believe in the idea of ​​a better life and really improve it, because I don’t call the entire population of cities to the village, I think there are not a few who want why the program of reviving the modern village is not worthy of an idea about a better life ???
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                        Quote: anjey
                        It is interesting and where the people used to come from in these territories, with that underdeveloped medicine, illiteracy, wars and illnesses, forests, fields and rivers got to the farthest reaches and developed, they fed themselves and fed the country.


                        Quote: anjey
                        create normal conditions for life and work, attract people with land ownership, build modern housing under a long-term loan, arrange production and provision of modern agricultural machinery, the ability to sell and process products, without semi-criminal intermediaries

                        do you understand that your first post contradicts the second?
                        that if a person wants to, he will live in a dugout, but if he doesn’t want to, then he will run away from the village in the 70-80s. After all, it was in the 80s in the village - and the people fled quite energetically
              2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 19: 39 New
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                Settle the New Earth? FFI? Novosibirsk islands? In order not to lose territory, there are armed forces. This is an axiom.
            2. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 40 New
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              Agriculture has been for centuries one of the economic pillars of RI ...
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                So you need to invest in the Krasnodar Territory, the Stavropol Territory, etc. Where black soil and any stick will blossom. The share of the farm in the same Israel you love, who manages to supply cartopl with radish to Russia, does not exceed 2.5% of the economy.
        2. anjey 7 May 2020 17: 11 New
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          I wonder what then the pioneers of the 15-17th centuries had, when the Russian Empire developed and expanded, when settlements were built from scratch in the wild, and how then many wealth and goods flowed from there to the treasury. laughing
          1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 17: 23 New
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            You see, in the 17th century, part of the empires was enriched at the expense of overseas colonies - the Russian annexing new territories. But, 400 years have passed since then - the Russian flag over Paris, the abolition of serfdom, the Soviet one over Berlin, etc. )))
            But now technology is the source of wealth - look at Apple, the brainchild of Bill Gates and other Google, compare their capitalization with the entire gold reserve of the Russian Federation and think about the areas of highest priority for public investment. Agricultural is not the last, of course, even in the top five. But not the first one. hi
            1. anjey 7 May 2020 18: 17 New
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              Do not drive the wave, the main investment and support for the state has been and will be - it is always people, no Google and Bill Gates with their IT technologies alone, even Israel will not protect laughing
              1. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 18: 28 New
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                That's it - EDUCATION. Neither lecturers with associate professors who take bribes, nor the parents who give these bribes, anyhow the child came out with a diploma, and quality training hi When university staff are afraid to sit down for a bribe, then we get Russian Microsoft and Intel. )) Because there will be QUALIFIED PEOPLE. And it is advisable to lure "stupid Anglo-Saxons" into these Universes on the model of the Chinese lol from the Ivy League
                And once again - I really appreciate your concern for my historic Motherland, where I had the good fortune of living for 25 years, but a piece of desert, which in conditions of constant wars overtook countries such as France and Italy in terms of income, health and access to education, managing to at the same time nightmare more numerous neighbors, but the Israelis themselves can somehow protect themselves. Without the Gates - yeah
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            The pioneers did not have financial support from the state. On the contrary, they had to surrender yasak to the state in the form of soft junk taken from the indigenous peoples. Well, something was falling from yasak.
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              Come on, whole expeditions were equipped, where it might have been merchants, and where and from the tsar’s court, they fell, especially when exploring Siberia and the Far East, it was a state affair, secured by the tsar’s seals and not just a gang in the Russian expanses with erection cities laughing
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    Not only him. Any citizen, not an oligarch, is ready to come to the village only for barbecue, and lie down on the grass.
  • prior 7 May 2020 15: 27 New
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    What awaits the Russian village
    Where the Russian village - there is Russia,
    where Russia - there is a Russian village.
  • Qwertyarion 7 May 2020 15: 34 New
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    . When agriculture starts working, jobs will appear in the villages, the necessary infrastructure, and normal social and living conditions.

    Never......
    It's been a long time since there! Old people will live out, alcoholics will die out, and young people are not there. (we don’t take children of schoolchildren into account; he will finish school and leave).
    1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 19: 49 New
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      The drunk is already extinct. In the village, mainly those who were able to live there, that is, people who are entrepreneurial and working, remained.
  • ximkim 7 May 2020 15: 36 New
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    Ever since the time of dinosaurs, the type of village itself has never changed in Russia: the toilet on the street of a cow is poor in electricity, firewood is becoming more expensive. Something can be changed, for example, building a house with all conveniences yourself, but it takes money to realize the benefits, and there are also problems with this in the village (it depends on earnings), and the places of earnings in the village are scarce .. Because young people move to cities.
    1. Varyag71 7 May 2020 15: 46 New
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      but I have an example in many places, how young people, on the contrary, leave the city for villages
      1. ximkim 7 May 2020 15: 55 New
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        There are such examples, but the statistics themselves say different things. For example, there was a penal colony in the village, they sawed the forest, zk in other colonies, the military to other places. Everything, the labor-forming / city-forming place is closed, and the village is slowly dying ..
      2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 41 New
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        Such examples - one citizen fled to the village, and a million villagers fled to the city.
    2. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 23: 19 New
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      A toilet in the form of a free-standing birdhouse is laziness and laziness again. To make a warm toilet with the simplest septic tank is available to everyone, except for those whose hands under the penis are sharpened.
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        and they put an old chair, I saw it personally lol
  • Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 15: 39 New
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    IMHO: the current Power has taken a course on strangulation of villages and villages, I know from life in real life, this is the softest comment that I can say ...
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 43 New
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      This is not true. Our s / x is unproductive, so in real life he dies.
      Why do obsolete and unprofitable branches or enterprises die? From the fact that they are outdated and unprofitable. The reason is not at all evil intent
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        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        This is not true. Our s / x is unproductive, so in real life he dies.
        Why do obsolete and unprofitable branches or enterprises die? From the fact that they are outdated and unprofitable. The reason is not at all evil intent


        Then we take the calculator in hand and consider wassat

        We have next to the five of our local people in our village on weekends - before self-isolation - we call it so-a spontaneous market)) constantly comes the local "self-employed" farmer - let's call it that))) so, he has 10 rubles CHEAPER than in five;) arrives in tayota with a trailer to sell his fruits and vegetables - by the way))) and you know the secret to his success ??? ) just when they "ran into" him - from bandits to the state-va - he gave everyone such a rebuff that they now bypass him for a kilometer))) but not all of them ... people just want to work and that they would NOT bother him. .. drinks
  • BARKAS 7 May 2020 15: 39 New
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    Villages and villages are different and this is 200 people where it’s not like gas but they don’t even use the Internet, but there are villages with a population of 20-40 thousand. Who is more likely to not disappear from the map?
    I have a familiar Kazakh farmer, so he generally lives alone with his family in the village, the rest of the residents have long left.
    1. _Sergei_ 7 May 2020 16: 13 New
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      After ten thousand, this is either an urban-type settlement or a city
      1. BARKAS 7 May 2020 16: 22 New
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        After ten thousand, this is either an urban-type settlement or a city

        Generally optional, especially in the southern regions.
  • Qwertyarion 7 May 2020 15: 40 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In the risky farming zone, it is generally better not to engage in agriculture, with the exception of some areas - this is unprofitable.

    And you, the Chinese comrades, try to entrust this risky business and they will succeed.
    By the way, our grandfathers also succeeded.
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      The Chinese in the Far East in the 90s and 00s tried to do this. But although they showed good results for a while, they nevertheless went bankrupt and drove off to their home without money.
  • Krasnodar 7 May 2020 15: 40 New
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    Where there are large agricultural holdings as employers, there is an influx of qualified youth into the village, not only from the surrounding towns, but also from the capital of the region. Housing is cheaper, about medicine - something serious in any case can be treated in regional centers. Teachers - the larger the population, the more they work. According to the Timiryazevites, the question is where they came from.
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 48 New
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      Large agricultural holdings in Russia are economically viable only south and west of the conditional line Smolensk-Moscow-Kazan-Volgograd. In Siberia, it is also to some extent Altai. In other regions of Russia, agriculture is barely warming or dying altogether. And the reasons for this are: climate, land quality, transport accessibility to agricultural products consumers.
      1. Krasnodar 8 May 2020 12: 21 New
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        Right.
        Question - why grow where it does not grow
  • Carnifexx 7 May 2020 15: 45 New
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    If it is impossible to build infrastructure and build anything for acceptable means, then people need to be saved from there. Otherwise, these are subsidies, which means a burden for the rest (taxpayers).
    If you need cottages, then you need to build it (near the big city) in the metropolitan area (they do it), or a city, and the village itself, the village is going to die out everywhere, in the United States.
  • Asad 7 May 2020 16: 12 New
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    Agholdings will live out of the village, my neighbor lives in the city and goes on a rotational job to sow to harvest the crop! An import tractor on the navigator itself runs through the fields
    1. NordUral 7 May 2020 17: 28 New
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      Yes, and we will eat products (genetically modified, not giving seeds) Monsantes. And when, in the opinion of the West, we will behave very badly, then Monsant and K will not deliver seeds to us. And there are practically none of them.
      1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 18: 29 New
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        In Russia, the production of GMOs is prohibited by law. Learn the materiel.
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          In Russia, the production of GMOs is prohibited by law. Learn the materiel.

          Yeah, we teach ... repeat
          TRANSACTION WITH THE DEVIL: MONSANTO Captures RUSSIA

          The President of Ukraine decided to give private land 40 million hectares of state land. Russian journalists of the Rossiya24 television channel rightly noted that most likely the Ukrainian lands would fall into the hands of transnational corporations and made a transparent allusion to Monsanto.

          The corporation really works in Ukraine, though the fame about Monsanto products goes bad. Numerous courts have proven that the Monsanto Roundup herbicide causes cancer. Monsanto recently merged with German Bayer, the heiress of IG Farben, a conglomerate of German chemical industry companies that formed the financial core of the German Nazi regime.

          Talking about the activities of the Gladio networks, we wrote that the American special services in their work against the USSR relied on the Nazis (Gehlen Organization) and therefore the merger of Bayer and Monsanto seems to be a logical continuation of a long-standing friendship.

          It is no coincidence that Monsanto specializes in the production of genetically modified grain.

          Putin, at a meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club, told the general public about the so-called genetic weapons that could destroy individual nations. There was news that the Pentagon has already begun to purchase samples of ribonucleic acid (RNA) of Russians of the Caucasian race.

          The activity of the Bayer-Monsanto multinational company is vicious in itself - its products cause oncology, lead to the destruction of insects, and the loss of food sovereignty.

          Add to this the danger of using genetic weapons, political risks, and wonder why Bayer-Monsanto feels at home in Russia?

          Bayer Crop Science's agricultural division sells agrochemicals in Russia.
          https://www.cropscience.bayer.ru/

          Events for the sale and promotion of agricultural chemistry called BayArens are held in several regions of Russia: in the Krasnodar Territory, Bryansk Region, Kursk Region, and Lipetsk Region.

          BayArena is a kind of “Field Day”, farmers from all over Russia come to the festival, they are told about the benefits of using hybrids and Bayer chemistry, deals are made.

          Such events are held with the full support of regional leaders, which means that at least four governors are lobbyists for Bayer-Monsanto’s interests and introduce Russian farmers to foreign chemistry.

          By a strange coincidence, it is in these regions that there is an increase in cancer, bees die.

          True, the real geography of Bayer-Monsanto chemistry is much wider - their technologies are used throughout Russia. It got to the point that the Russian FAS drew attention to the Bayer-Monsanto merger deal. However, as a result, the antimonopoly department still approved the deal.

          According to the FAS prescription, Bayer must “ensure the technological transfer of molecular selection agents and germplasm, which are necessary for creating highly productive seeds of agricultural crops with desired properties.

          In addition, the company must provide access to digital precision farming platforms, including access to historical data related to the Russian Federation, as well as data that Bayer will collect after the company commercializes its software products in the Russian Federation. ”
          https://fas.gov.ru/news/24815

          Whether any of the above Bayer-Monsanto provided or ignored the FAS demand is not known for certain, but something else is known - the sinister corporation operates unhindered in Russia, involving more and more governors in its networks.

          True, not all surrender. For example, the governor of the Belgorod region, Yevgeny Savchenko, in an interview with the Tsargrad television channel, spoke about agricultural practices without the use of GMOs, glyphosates and foreign hybrid seeds.

          However, Moscow is in no hurry to take this positive experience into service, allowing Bayer-Monsanto to uncontrollably capture Russian lands and experiment with the inhabitants of Russia.

          By the way, we agreed to supply the products of the Miratorg leather factory (headed by the namesake wife of D. Medvedev) for the decoration of Porsche, BMW and Mercedes cars.

          This allows us to conclude that Miratorg closely cooperates with German concerns, presumably friends with Bayer-Monsanto.

          Who knows, maybe it is precisely in Miratorg’s love for Bayer-Monsanto that the true reasons for the complacency of Moscow officials for the evil corporation are hidden?
        2. NordUral 7 May 2020 21: 28 New
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          Andrei, I never neglect the materiel, I had such a job.
          Just what is imported to us from the seeds, almost all GMOs. I did not go into details, but everything connected with Monsanta is all genetically modified. Like the products that come to us from abroad.
          1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 22: 22 New
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            You do not confuse GMOs and hybrids? F1 hybrids have been used for a long time. Take any bag of seeds of tomatoes or cucumbers, there almost everywhere after the name of the variety stands F1 - a hybrid of the first generation. This is a selection product. GMO is a product of genetic modification. Monsanto does both.
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              I do not confuse. Michurin, Vavilov and Monsant are hard to confuse.
    2. Krasnodar 7 May 2020 21: 15 New
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      Quote: ASAD
      Agholdings will live out of the village, my neighbor lives in the city and goes on a rotational job to sow to harvest the crop! An import tractor on the navigator itself runs through the fields

      The father-in-law of 300 workers has 260 village workers. Tractors and combines are also imported.
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: ASAD
        Agholdings will live out of the village, my neighbor lives in the city and goes on a rotational job to sow to harvest the crop! An import tractor on the navigator itself runs through the fields

        The father-in-law of 300 workers has 260 village workers. Tractors and combines are also imported.

        Yes, Krasnodar, but you bourgeois .. So you do not want to leave for Israel)))))) Everything is clear with you now ... hi
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          Yes, what do I have to do with it? laughing My father-in-law has his own affairs.
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            Yes, what do I have to do with it? laughing My father-in-law has his own affairs.

            Well, no offense .. wink You have a sense of humor and can pin up .. laughing This is me, for verification hi
  • Ross xnumx 7 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    In Russia, the problems of rural areas and agricultural production were solved with the help of a gas and oil pipe. Exactly so, by purchasing food (raw materials) the problems of saturation of the market with food are solved. And the main thing in this situation is that the products whose names we are used to are often not.
    I read a post here, where the author believes that after living in the village for 22 years he can talk about his own competence in matters of village life. Do you think the same Grudinin P.N. Can compete with you in terms of professionalism?
    The whole rural problem is that young people are not interested in life outside the city, outside of civilization, as well as “picking in manure” for a very modest reward. And with the departure of the elderly, there will be no (other than Chinese) agricultural experience.
    Someone has the impression that rural labor is a shame, bondage ... But there are no professions worthy of plant growing or animal husbandry: work with the processing and removal of garbage, an orderly in the morgue, a cemetery worker, etc. You know what the first are they different from peasant labor? The most ordinary working day, having a time frame. Still there is a vacation at any time of the year.
    It is not possible to establish the attractiveness of life in the village by May decrees or by what other “breakthroughs”. In the first place should be material interest, tax exemption (except for income tax at a reduced rate, for example 6%) and government lending and technical security.
    The main problem - marketing of agricultural products and storage should also be solved with the participation of agricultural specialists.
    PS Uncle (farmer, 60 years of peasant labor, born in 1949), none of his sons followed in his footsteps (four).
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      “But there are professions worthy of plant growing or animal husbandry: work with the processing and disposal of garbage, an orderly in the morgue, a cemetery worker, etc.”

      Well you compared .... these guys
      farmers earn so much
      and did not dream.
  • iouris 7 May 2020 17: 11 New
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    Wed O rus, quando ego te aspiciam.
    Per. Oh village, when I see you.
    Another cry of Yaroslavna. About what? What is a "Russian village"? Is the village of Karamakhi included in the scope of this concept? In general, it does not seem that the author wrote from the village. But in vain:
    “They say that when Caesar crossed the Alps and walked past a poor town with an extremely small barbarian population, his friends jokingly asked with a laugh:“ Is there really a competition in honors, a dispute over primacy, contention among the nobility? ” “As for me,” Caesar answered them with complete seriousness, “I would rather be the first here than the second in Rome” (Plutarch. Selected Biographies. M.; L., 1941).
  • NordUral 7 May 2020 17: 25 New
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    And you still ask? Take a look around.
  • sergo1914 7 May 2020 17: 43 New
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    Every year we leave with the family for two months in the village. South of the Arkhangelsk region. There are young people there. Cars, appliances are being bought. The business is small and not very. Mushrooms, berries, hunting, fishing. I didn’t eat tastier honey than Verkhovazhsky. No Bashkiria and Krasnodar Territories were nearby. About medicine - it's funny. In Moscow, you can only be treated with very good money. Education? And where is it even average?
  • Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 18: 53 New
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    Alas, 82% of them unequivocally stated a categorical reluctance to return after graduation to their native places.
    As Shpakovsky would say, everything is according to the Pareto law, these 82% are stupid people.
  • Servisinzhener 7 May 2020 20: 27 New
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    Not so long ago there was an article by Roman Skomorokhov devoted to the same topic. In which it was said that the biggest blow to the village was dealt by modern agricultural technologies. Not requiring the same number of workers as at the beginning of the last century. And these wonderful young ladies working for example as milkmaids at such a complex, by the end they are doing what for before they needed an order of magnitude more workers.

    This is generally a disaster for modern industries. And not just agriculture. I remember in one of the Radio magazines of the early 80s there was a photograph of some kind of radio factory. It depicted employees of the radio factory at their workplaces. Soldering some details. And these jobs went somewhere beyond the horizon. And with today's almost total transition to SMD components, special installers replaced them. People, of course, also exist, but they are busy there with a few other things.
    And what to do with people for whom there is no occupation is a big question for all mankind.
  • tatra 7 May 2020 20: 33 New
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    The reduction of villages and the rural population in the USSR is a consequence of large-scale urbanization, when in 1913 85% of the country's population lived in villages, then by the 80s only 30%. The reduction of villages and the rural population in post-Soviet Russia = this is a consequence of total degradation. In the villages, workplaces for peasants, places for the normal functioning of villages were eliminated.
    1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 22: 27 New
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      Nothing that the average yield in the USSR was more than two times lower than in our time? In the countryside, so many people are simply not needed. As you do not need a large number of workers, workers in modern production.
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        The enemies of the Communists need to chew everything like little children. The average grain yield after your capture of Russia has increased due to the fact that the USSR used land with low productivity, and you abandoned these lands, and therefore the average yield also increased. And you, the "effective-creative", have only recently caught up with the RSFSR to collect grain, but much lower quality than you collected in the RSFSR.
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          Therefore, the USSR imported wheat of elite varieties from Canada and the USA. As they said in those days: "The Ear of America"
  • Maks1995 7 May 2020 20: 37 New
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    Some kind of empty article, no numbers, no examples, some general reasoning.
    And the dying of the village is an objective process.
    + subjective - the same "beyond the Moscow Ring Road there is no life"
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      Quote: Max1995
      "beyond MKAD there is no life"

      There is life, but it is somewhat different from Moscow ... repeat
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        This is a famous alteration of the famous "Is there life on Mars?". Just like))))
    2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 11: 57 New
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      The article is really stupid.
      Having stated such a topic, the author should show development trends. Conditions affecting agricultural in previous years and now. And of course, there should be statistics, comparisons by periods, by regions, comparisons with other countries. State goals for the village should be set, as well as conclusions and judgments about what needs to be done to achieve the goals.
  • Tank hard 7 May 2020 21: 02 New
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    After all, learning can be remote, and cultural rest today for most young people is not dancing at the club. You can watch the latest film or listen to the last concert of your favorite band without leaving your home at all - as well as being in the know about all the news. Internet commerce can very well provide for the purchase of almost any goods without the need to make, as before, a trip to a district or even a regional center.

    After that, he laughed for a long time, though not without bitterness.
    I recommend the author to teach his children remotely, let him see what it feels like to talk, these are not bags tossing and turning.
    The Internet, this is something ... And how much did the author see the good Internet in the rural outback? Or is he confusing something 100 km from Moscow with all of Russia, or maybe the Internet is free, or maybe there is a lot of diverse work in the village, or maybe this work is well paid?
    And how many schools are in the village, and what level of education is there, and, I forgot, the author is talking about distance learning ...
    And what about medicine in the village? Huh? Or will the remote suit?
    The author is burning! hi
    1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 22: 31 New
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      Normal Internet in the outback. Due to the low load on the BS, the speed is higher than in large cities. In our village, in addition to mobile Internet, fiber is extended. Tariffs up to 300 mb / s. And education is often better - fewer students per teacher, more attention to everyone.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Normal Internet in the outback. Due to the low load on the BS, the speed is higher than in large cities. In our village, in addition to mobile Internet, fiber is extended. Tariffs up to 300 mb / s. And education is often better - fewer students per teacher, more attention to everyone.

        With us, the outback is different. In the Tyumen region, not everywhere in the outback - the Internet is normal.
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And education is often better - fewer students per teacher, more attention to everyone.

        I don’t know about you, but Us, for several settlements, has one school, and it clearly loses to the regional center. Apparently, we live in different worlds. request
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 23: 13 New
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          The Internet and Peter is different, I mean mobile. There is no signal from Tele-2 in my apartment. Absolutely not. The Big Three is working fine. In the village at home (Novgorod region) 4G + megaphone up to 150 mb / s, in St. Petersburg, God grant 70-80. But optics, it is also in Africa - optics.
          Further, in an adjacent village in a school, an average of 12-15 people per class. In St. Petersburg and 40 are not uncommon. Which audience is easier to convey knowledge to?
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          and judging by the posts of AS Ivanov, he lives in some kind of his own, another Russia wassat
          I've been living with my Russia for 50 years - and my Russia does NOT intersect with it hi
          1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 23: 25 New
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            In normal Russia, I live. Like most. Do you yourself live in Russia for sure?
            1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 23: 28 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              In normal Russia, I live. Like most. Do you yourself live in Russia for sure?

              Exactly !!! yes for 50 years managed to visit from Karelia and St. Petersburg to Astrakhan and Rostov-on-Don, from Smolensk to the Ural Mountains wink
              1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 23: 31 New
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                Taki visited. From Anadyr to Murmansk. The geography of flights was extensive. And I’m visiting relatives, though only to the Urals.
                1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 23: 40 New
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                  so I say - Russia is different with you laughing
                  in my Russia, one thing happens - to which I personally witness, in yours = Other bully
  • Comrade Michael 7 May 2020 21: 11 New
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    I’m sitting now in an almost empty village. There is no youth here except summer residents. Yes and no old people. There is no work both here and in the district, and even in the neighboring region (except for work, employment with a salary of 15 thousand rubles) ... Everything is on duty here. And there are practically no cattle anymore. I myself am urban. But for some reason here I understand especially sharply that our society is in a hopeless impasse. The idea of ​​gathering all the inhabitants in 10 -12 cities with a population of over one million is worse than a crime - this is a monstrous mistake. References to objective processes are a good excuse for weak leaders. The population and infrastructure for greater survivability and survival should be dispersed, this is my opinion.
    1. Archon 7 May 2020 22: 42 New
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      I saw very few people who would like to live in a village.
      I myself am waiting for everyone to switch to electric cars and the air will clear. we waited for ssd disks to become cheap, and they stopped buying sdd disks, but forgot about sd and dvd disks.
      and do not think that in Russia it is not profitable to use electric cars, as the GDP said. because the automobile industry does not belong to Russia
    2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 02 New
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      People themselves gathered in the city. In Soviet times, this was regulated by whom to live with the help of a system of distribution from universities, registration, non-issuance of passports to peasants (until the end of the 60s), so that they would not leave the village. And you attributed to someone’s evil intent to gather people in millionaires. Perhaps this is a world backstage or a Masonic conspiracy? wassat

      And how do you propose to disperse the population? Give everyone a prescription, to whom and where to live? I want to Sochi or Moscow, and I do not want to Anadyr. And so say 146 million people. And if you come to create in Anadyr such a production that will be attractive to an ordinary Russian, then there will not be enough subsidies for this production in the budget.
      1. Archon 9 May 2020 08: 10 New
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        Yes it is all over the world - people tend to where it is warmer, more comfortable.
        Canada's entire population is concentrated along the southern border from the United States. China's billionth population is shifted southeast to the sea. Japan's multimillion population is shifted south, and the northern island is poorly populated.
  • alstr 7 May 2020 21: 12 New
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    .

    The village has ceased to be the basis already since the 70s, when the percentage of the rural population (and this with the so-called urban settlements of large state farms and collective farms) became less than 30%.
    And the prospects for an increase in the rural population are not and never will be. The main reason is in new technologies and economics. Because new technologies and equipment allow processing, and it’s important to get in the end several times more than before. Hence the fact that actually in the village it became necessary to significantly fewer people than before.

    Another thing is that there is a problem of village aging. And this problem is also objective, because the average statistical person wants amenities, or at least their monetary compensation.

    Those. the problem of rural aging is as simple as three kopeks - it is NOT FAVORABLE to live in the village, because working from dawn to dawn, on average, a rural worker receives less than a simple clerk in any city with a millionaire, and only works 8 hours with amenities.

    A simple example. My grandfather was a fisherman. I received 10-15 thousand for the flight (for 5-6 months at sea) So this is the paradox. In his homeland, collective farmers (the collective farm was one of the foremost) received comparable (if not big) money for the same period. At the same time, they lived at home, and did not hang around the ocean.
    Naturally, they did not want to go anywhere to live in any cities. Yes. the village didn’t have the amenities of a city, but in the city they wouldn’t get as much as in the village (just compare 1000-1500 thousand for half a year or 10-15 thousand - the difference is an order of magnitude).

    Conclusion. It is necessary to make FAVORABLE life in the countryside, i.e. corny that they receive significantly more than in the city. But it should be understood that in this case the number of population in the village will DECREASE, because "superfluous" (i.e. ineffective comrades are eliminated).
    In addition, we need the support of agricultural producers (all of which are small and not so good) - these are loans, benefits, low taxes. Plus road construction, as with normal roads and the social network will be fairly accessible.
    In addition, it would be useful to liberalize small aircraft - for our open spaces - this is purely important.
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 06 New
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      You cannot make FAVORABLE life in the village without taking away money from those who are not in the village. I don’t want to give my money to the village. If the state will raise taxes for the sake of the village, then I will hide the income from taxes and vote for those who promise to reduce taxes. Therefore, let the village voluntarily give money to those who supported the village.
      1. alstr 8 May 2020 13: 48 New
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        Why not. Very possible.
        It will not do without subsidies only: we need cheap and simple loans, tax breaks, etc.
        Plus production intensification. Plus legislation on seasonal workers, etc.
        This is exactly what works in the West.
        1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 13: 57 New
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          You're not right. Grants are possible, but not even needed. And even harmful. Because then in my pocket (and in yours) there will be less money.

          Grants - this is what is taken away in the form of taxes from some and given to others. Redistribute according to Sharikov.
          Better generally less taxes and redistributions. In general, I fundamentally do not like taxes, although gritting my teeth, I acknowledge their necessity to a minimum. Stupid this business - subsidies and taxes.

          Let the banks give loans, not the state (otherwise the same subsidies will come out).

          The village has tax privileges. The land tax is ridiculous. There is no income tax and VAT on agricultural production.

          And the competent capitalist will do the rest in the village. It intensifies production, that is, it will achieve the maximum volume of production with a minimum number of employees. Reduce unnecessary workers.
          1. alstr 8 May 2020 14: 42 New
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            With subsidies, the situation is as follows.
            If we were alone in this world, then they are not needed. but unfortunately this is not so. And in the same Europe, subsidies are in the order of things and as a result it turns out that their product is cheaper than ours. And this is not taking into account the actual climate.

            Therefore, if the STATE wants agricultural development for one or another type of product, then it must even the terms of import and domestic production.
            And sanctions in this sense helped a lot.

            As for loans, then again, banks should issue them, and the state should provide an acceptable rate. About the same as it is done with car loans.
            But again, if the STATE is interested in agricultural production.

            There are benefits, but bureaucracy at the same time dofig and more.
  • Kostya Lavinyukov 7 May 2020 22: 13 New
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    What is the whole point of preserving the village? Previously, it performed the function of producing food for the entire population of the country. Productivity and speed of movement were low, therefore, the majority of the population lived in the village. Now productivity has increased and people need less, and due to the increased mobility, you can work in a relatively remote rural area (or in a large factory located near the city) living in the city. And life in the city is clearly superior in quality to life in the village. So why save it?
  • ANB
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    Kuban, Voronezh region, Rostov, Belgorod.
    Everywhere villages grow back.
    In the Kuban it is generally so. In the villages the sports grounds are full, new.
    On the streets you can not see drunk and even few smokers.
    The gardens are young everywhere.
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      In the Kuban this situation is partly due to the influx of population from Siberia and the Far East. Prices for housing in the countryside and transport infrastructure that allows you to quickly get from the village to work in the city, and in the evening back. Also, the Republic of Adygea would add to your list of regions. About 5 years ago between the village of Yablonovsky and the village of Koset there were fields overgrown with shrubs. Now this territory is built up by the so-called town houses. The price of which is slightly higher than the price of an apartment in Krasnodar.
      And returning to the topic of the article, none of these new villagers work on the surrounding rice checks, planting rice in the form of seedlings. Standing knee-deep in mulia. And indeed in agriculture, as as I said above, so many people are not needed there right now.

      Recently I was taking a taxi from Krasnodar to the settlement of Yablonovsky (for those who are not aware of being on the opposite bank of the Kuban River from Krasnodar). And in a conversation the taxi driver asked: And where are you from? After I answered that of art. Smolenskaya Seversky district, his face became as if he had seen an alien. laughing
    2. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 09 New
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      In the above regions, agricultural is productive. But in Karelia, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk region, Krasnoyarsk Territory and other harsh regions, the village is rapidly dying. This is objective. In Soviet times, oranges and pears were grown in subsidies and in Norilsk in greenhouses. And then they sold these pears on a subsidy.
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      Quote: ANB
      Kuban, Voronezh region, Rostov, Belgorod.
      Everywhere villages grow back.
      In the Kuban it is generally so. In the villages the sports grounds are full, new.
      On the streets you can not see drunk and even few smokers.
      The gardens are young everywhere.

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      outwardly the way it is, the people are spinning. however much landowners crushed a lot for themselves
  • Archon 7 May 2020 22: 34 New
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    the transformation will be villages into farmers' settlements - people who earn money on the land, but do not use it only for themselves. such settlements will remain.
    a certain number of downshifters will also appear - people who want to live outside the city, autonomously. for example, anastasievtsy with cedars or supporters of conspiracy theories.
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 12 New
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      A category of so-called survivors - those who make caches, bunkers, and other points to protect themselves from disasters such as an asteroid’s fall, alien attacks, zombie apocalypse, deadly epidemics, revolutions, and riots.
    2. Victorio 8 May 2020 12: 44 New
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      Quote: Archon
      the transformation will be villages into farmers' settlements - people earning land,

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      something like this happens in the Baltic states. I travel regularly to the country through the former Soviet collective farm millionaire Venta. at first everything was just divided, something was used, it was destroyed, and the land was idle for a long time. In recent years (someone earlier, and someone later), all lands have been plowed up, sowed differently. it is clear that you can’t get rich very much if you have your own tens of hectares, but there is income: they buy equipment. repairing houses. there are no large landowners / agricultural holdings yet
  • Sarkazm 8 May 2020 00: 36 New
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    Moreover, the main thing, of course, should be comprehensive support at the state level and maximum stimulation of the development of the country's agro-industrial complex. When agriculture starts working, jobs will appear in the villages, the necessary infrastructure, and normal social and living conditions. Until this happens, we will remain at the level demonstrated five years ago by an anonymous survey among students from the Moscow Agricultural Academy named after K.A. Timiryazev. Alas, 82% of them unequivocally stated a categorical reluctance to return after graduation to their native places.
    If the state does not interfere with those who live on the earth and process it, there will already be some sense.
    The unemployment problem has other reasons. For example, in the USSR, many collective farms and state farms had their own processing, like mills, canneries, etc. Almost everywhere, local processing enterprises were closed down, plus the use of modern equipment and technologies reduced the need for the number of employees per 1000 hectares in agricultural enterprises, and here is the army of unemployed people in the countryside.
    Another example is the northern regions of the European part of the country - abandoned villages, the fields are completely overgrown with fir trees and pine trees ... The peasant does not extend the lease from the state of these lands, as a result, the state is like a dog in the manger, and I will not give it to others, at the end ends of the earth are transferred from agricultural to forest fund. In the villages, the youngest of the permanently living 45-50 years, and even those are more occupied with forest. And who prevents to give land to the peasant on a competitive basis without rental payments, that is, ZERO rubles? There are agricultural administrations, let them make sure that the land is not depleted, but no more. But the peasant will pay the tax on the products he sells, while providing the domestic consumer with normal milk, meat, bread, etc., and for the peasant it is necessary to create the tax system itself as simple, clear and transparent as possible, because in the end we will win even more just having a healthy population.
    We are doing everything to reduce the number of livestock even in rural households ...
    As long as we have no one to deal with the country, and they are not far-sighted, it makes no sense to talk about anything, only waste nerves ...
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 18 New
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      If the lease of agricultural land is ZERO rubles, then those who are close to the authorities will seize the land as free tenants. At the same time, such tenants themselves will not do nichrome, but they will lease land for real money already. This will become parasitism on state lands, on the one hand, and landowner-feudal relations, on the other hand. That is, land cannot be leased for free. And if this is allowed and the sublease is prohibited, the new landowners will find ways to evade or circumvent the prohibitions, all the more so since it cannot be controlled. And if you try to control, then there will be corruption.

      That is, for any free - this is bad. Just as they once privatized factories and plants, the entire Soviet industry, hoping for the emergence of responsible owners. And these privatizers surrendered everything to the West for scrap.
  • Sarkazm 8 May 2020 00: 52 New
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    Quote: ANB
    Kuban, Voronezh region, Rostov, Belgorod.
    Everywhere villages grow back.
    In the Kuban it is generally so. In the villages the sports grounds are full, new.
    On the streets you can not see drunk and even few smokers.
    The gardens are young everywhere.
    Oh, how ... And let me ask, you yourself from which region will you be? Have you been fond of prose for a long time? Where else have you published other than essays on this resource?

    We have practically no villages, there are villages. Alcoholics and drug addicts are full, all the scum of the 90s from the cities with foam left in the villages and farms - watching, thieves, concepts, every fourth sat. There is no work in the villages, but where there is something, there are low salaries of 18-22 thousand. rub. There is work where to plow like an ox, 10 hours a day, well, you can earn 1500-2000rub. / Day
    There was an influx due to internal migration, many northerners also moved from other regions, and the flow is rather big, up to 40 thousand. annually, this has stimulated a number of industries, but even now it is running out. In Krasnodar, in any large supermarket close to new buildings, you can’t hear any dialect — they pull, okay, hak, all of Russia in one word. Well, if only the families were transported to us, and they remain in the North to work, otherwise they will quickly become disappointed. In addition, we have one of the highest levels of corruption and lawlessness of the authorities in the country, education and medicine are in complete....nice - many migrants will later find out how to collide.
    We are local, the walls should help us at home, and we don’t get out of Moscow, many move to the capital if they are due to work, to St. Petersburg if due to the education of children.
  • Comrade Michael 8 May 2020 06: 28 New
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    I think the city is already overloaded with stupid and unproductive people ... It's time to spread them more evenly across the country.
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 21 New
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      And who will determine who is stupid and unproductive?

      And how to smear?

      Let us give the right to define stupid and unproductive special meetings, triples, fives. And we will smear people through the system of the General Directorate of Camps! fool
      And the leader of this event can only be a true communist, Comrade Pol Pot. am
      1. Comrade Michael 9 May 2020 10: 07 New
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        And of course with such methods too. Although modern technology allows this to be done with fewer excesses and errors.
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          By such methods, the country will become Kampuchea with a poor and half-destroyed population.

          And I would like the country to become populated and rich. That the bulk of the population have their own houses and apartments both in Russia and on the tropical seas; so that the bulk of the population had accounts with huge amounts of money, expensive cars; that the country has high technology and developed industry; that the Russian army dominate the world, with bases at all the most important points on the planet; so that by the will of Russia the governments of any country in the world change.

          But to achieve such a wish, you do not need your methods.
  • Nitarius 8 May 2020 07: 15 New
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    Patience .. the people themselves will run away from the cities! when not only masks but also collars lead in cities! then the people themselves will dump out of there!
  • Andrey VOV 8 May 2020 08: 42 New
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    In the Lipetsk region, more than 90 percent of villages are gasified, there are villages that will be more beautiful than the regional center with so many enterprises that it can be safely considered a city and agriculture in good condition
  • EvilLion 8 May 2020 09: 54 New
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    There is no problem with the countryside in Russia; the countryside is simply being liquidated in the course of natural historical progress, and the agricultural sector is being transferred to large agricultural holdings, whose workers can live in cities. It should be so. Because the village is bad. Nothing can be developed in the village.
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 12: 23 New
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      A village is not bad as such. In the village it is pleasant to fry kebabs, lie on the grass, go fishing and swim in the lake.
  • Vikxnumx 8 May 2020 11: 28 New
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    Agricultural holding ...
    Yes, more ..... (mat) have not yet seen!
    Top management believes that the rolls grow on trees.
    From downsiders require savings on everything. And on the salaries of employees, and on procurement, and at work ...
    It’s rare where the competent department manager.
    Suppliers are required minimum prices.
    And the suppliers are also different!
    Will put some "lonely woodpecker" at a price of 3 cents, and then simply can not deliver the goods ...
    And they poke you in the face and scream about the "three skinning skins"!
    And the Chinese "pashipnik" and SKF, NTN, TIMKEN bearings for some reason differ in price!
    And how does “OVERLOAD” sound in case of a tender for purchase?
    "Yes, all suppliers simply bent prices!"
    "Come on cheaper, but provide quality and guarantee !!!"
    And how can one not swear ???
    1. Aleksandr1971 8 May 2020 14: 03 New
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      any business, except for a monopoly or business on a state subsidy, is to tear one's ass (and most importantly subordinates).

      Otherwise, progress will not take place. Try to get dirty in business - competitors will bypass, and you will quickly go broke.
  • Angelo Provolone 8 May 2020 12: 10 New
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    Alas, 82% of them unequivocally stated a categorical unwillingness to return after graduation to their native places


  • Victorio 8 May 2020 12: 30 New
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    it is clear that not everyone needs to work on the earth. but own land is wealth, always feed. sorry that you understand this with age.
  • Comrade Michael 9 May 2020 10: 18 New
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    In our area, the largest number of lands belong to the Germans, Swedes and French .... They bring equipment, and then take it away. Heap up the earth with fertilizers. And they do not have local workers — Uzbeks and Tajiks. Local stagger around Russia on shift. What is this, if not forced degradation, the killing of a nation and the cleansing of land for other peoples and empires? Local farmers, like semi-homeless people in comparison with these agricultural holdings, live under the constant oppression of the authorities, and white people from developed countries do not have this bureaucratic oppression ...
  • Comrade Michael 9 May 2020 10: 49 New
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    In normal states (in the USSR too), industry is dispersed evenly throughout the territory, and not in the same capital and large cities. In normal states, people who make money do not live in urban ghettos, but in their own homes ... It’s just a different lifestyle, a different infrastructure development and a different management. A man, like any little animal, is not created to live in such sandwiched conditions, he needs either a small pasture or a hunting ground (as you like). Mental illnesses develop from cramped conditions, mental illness, society and the population become very vulnerable .... Before an external adversary and any cataclysm .... After all, it’s enough for the enemy to “extinguish” boiler houses, gas distribution stations, electric power and water pump stations and the population in a huge amount will remain in the cold in winter .... Instead of always preparing to repeat the victory of 80 years ago, it is high time to understand that our challenges will be different (and this is already happening), and you can not wait for the fascists with a swastika near Moscow. BUT we are not ready for our battles, for any, we are not even preparing (if you look not at the chatter on TV, but at the facts). And we, alas, are losing our battles so far (although on the foolish TV they are convinced that we have already defeated everyone). If we talk about the preservation of the territory, culture, identity and biological existence - you need to live only dispersed throughout our territory. And no economic pseudoscience will convince the opposite.
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    2. Aleksandr1971 9 May 2020 11: 36 New
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      Read the works on economic geography and see that both industry and agriculture are unevenly distributed (except for countries that are too small, such as Belgium). In China, industry is in the coastal 300-kilometer zone. In the USA - Midwest (rust belt), New England, California and Texas. In Canada, a 200-kilometer strip along the border with the United States. In France, the Paris-Lorraine region. In Italy - Lombardy and Piedmont. In Germany, the Ruhr and central Bavaria. In Japan - Greater Tokyo.

      The concentration of the population and production has disadvantages, but there are more advantages. That is why concentration occurs. Prevent this by force, subsidies, taxes - only harm your country. War may or may not be. And you need to live now.

      If you have chosen for yourself that preparation for war is more important, then strain yourself, not the state and
      other people. Build a cache in the forest. Put there a well and a windmill for electricity, a greenhouse, etc. I read articles about some of the survivors who regretted before death that what they had been preparing to defend themselves from all their life did not happen.

      In other words, you disperse yourself, but do not demand that the state throw all the forces of the people at it. There is an example in history - Albania since Enver Khoja, which forced people to build hundreds of thousands of personal bomb shelters, but the war did not come. But the people of Albania became a beggar. It would be better for people to have villas in the Caribbean than personal dugouts.

      And personally, I do not want to disperse across the country into deserted areas. I live in a big city, earn money, ride 5-7 times a year abroad, I’m not preparing for war. And many of my comrades did buy houses in Spain or Montenegro or elsewhere. They get high from life. The main thing is that they know how to make money.
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    C'mon guys. Agricultural robots must be brought into the village. And people should live in cities, and fly to the bosom of nature on flyers, such as on vacation. So that everything is according to Bulychev tongue
  • Fishery 10 May 2020 14: 12 New
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    life in the village is possible)) if you are not a poor farmer, or a city dweller who moved to the village knowing why it is necessary) I know a couple of blacksmiths, cheese makers, and owners of eco farms and people who are fond of permaculture, selling products in the city or via the Internet, but also one makes ceramics, sells to Europe, but these are all urban residents in the past, with a different mentality in the field of communications and opportunities, living exclusively in the village I don’t think there will be such opportunities and an understanding of business processes
  • 2 Level Advisor 11 May 2020 06: 46 New
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    Many lands in African countries are empty, although the people are very poor and often hungry. No, to plow the land, so they’d better starve.

    You directly reminded me of a colleague, parents from the village / farm bought an apartment for her, they help her all the time, but she will live in the city, there are more buzzes .. or one more, the son of a zootechnician in the district, a security guard in a supermarket for 15 tr, father for he pays an apartment, but in the town .. both of them do not digest agricultural, although in fact they live thanks to him ..
    You can earn more in the village than in the city, when you are not special in something “urban”, and you’re used to it .. Example, a familiar piglet for sale grows - 1 million per year profit somewhere .. plus feeds from the hacienda .. salary - yes, not much 15tr, but if you spread out the total income for a year — more than 90 percent of the city’s .. and most of the villagers who fled to the city — just don’t want to work — throwing dung is not cool — it's better for the sales manager ..
    And the fact that from the bulk of the villages in our region, a maximum of an hour or two to the city, do you want to get high, go for a short time? Laziness (well, it always has been) and propaganda of luxury - it’s not cool to be a farmer, that’s what kills the village, among other things, very much ..
  • Living7111972 14 May 2020 10: 53 New
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    Are you crazy who wants to work seven days a week, without holidays, for a meager salary, in the absence of any cultural and social life? Do not forget to do dirty work in the village, as you sink and you dig. There is no buzz in the village for youth. I don’t know how on collective farms, but on our state farm, a person of labor with education, but not higher, was paid up to 900 rubles a month for the result. For some reason, engineers, accountants, an economist and a lawyer of the state farm received little. The lawyer even passed on vacation.
    My dad worked as a chief physician, my mother is a teacher for d / s, for a circle of 400 rubles, three children, a full house of cattle. I thought, from a youngster: - the children in the house, to watch animals, cattle, so that the caretakers do not starve ...
    Well her, such a village, such a life. Youth vote with their feet. My son is studying at VMedA, who might think that he would somehow go to live in the village? I work as a doctor in a sanatorium, which is located in a rural area, and I get quite good, since I work for the feds, but my life does not appeal to him at all.
    And before, in every yard in our village there was cattle, they even grazed a herd, and now there are 3 cows ...
    Nobody wants to bother with the food safety of the country at the household level.
    And I don’t want to wish anyone my childhood, after the fourth grade I was taken to work on a state farm apiary, if anyone thinks this is a sweet life, try pulling one frame with wire and catch up with the swarm.
    How many beets were weeded, again weeding was given to those who did not work as workers on a state farm, teachers, doctors, nurses and office workers. As I was jealous of the city, there probably were their nasty things, but they didn’t plow like village children.
    I graduated from school in 1990, passed the exams at the medical institute in Ufa and got a job as a combine harvester at a state farm. Considering my qualifications, they paid me 1038 rubles over the summer (in my opinion I’m not mistaken, I remember that) ...
    Nafig do not need such a village