Negative consequences of pension reform: what the authorities could not or did not want to take into account

Negative consequences of pension reform: what the authorities could not or did not want to take into account

Pension reform can be called one of the most unpopular decisions of President Vladimir Putin for almost 20 years of his stay in power. The good intentions that supposedly guided the authorities in raising their retirement age, in practice, led only to many new social problems.


The authorities tried to justify the need to increase the retirement age not only by financial, but also by demographic considerations. Like, the birth rate in the country is low, and from this there will soon be no one to work. The elderly Russians drew quite bright prospects: work hard for five years more, but there will also be more pensions, longer you can maintain an acceptable standard of living. But projects are projects, and the reality turned out to be completely different. The authorities could not or did not want to take into account several important circumstances.

The points


First, the low life expectancy of Russian citizens, especially males, calls into question the very survival to a retirement age of 65 years. To this mark, a very large part of Russian men simply do not live. And even if it survives, it is often disabled for a variety of diseases.

The second is the unreadiness of the labor market to provide jobs for a large number of people of pre-retirement age. In "good" jobs, older people will create competition for young people, and simply cannot work in hard and unskilled jobs due to physical characteristics. How a mockery sounded the proposal to replace the elderly migrant workers: 65-year-old auxiliary workers at construction sites - you can’t imagine on purpose ...

Third, a natural decrease in the standard of living of older people. Until recently, many elderly people continued to work, receiving both a salary and a pension. This allowed them to have relatively living money and somehow make ends meet: for example, wages were, for example, 15-20 thousand rubles, plus even 8-10 thousand rubles of pension. Modestly, but you can live.

Fourth - the formation of a whole layer of elderly people, completely deprived of livelihoods. We are talking about citizens of 60-70 years who do not have enough official experience to accrue a “labor” pension of 60 and 65 years, respectively, and they can only rely on a social pension.

Previously, a social pension was granted to women at 60 years old, men at 65 years old. It was still somehow possible to refine to such an age, but now men without official experience will have to work until they are 70 years old. In fact, this means that most of them will lose their pensions altogether, even social, because of their survival.

Fifth, the indirect effect of pension reform on demography is also negative. In Russia, in many families, parents of young spouses, especially grandmothers, traditionally performed many functions to care for young children. Now grandmothers, forced to work even after 55 years, cannot take care of the children of their sons and daughters. The latter, in turn, realizing the impossibility of assistance from their parents in caring for their children, will think three more times whether it is worth getting offspring now or wait another 5-7 years until the parents retire. But 5-7 years is a long time, including for health indicators.

Not surprisingly, the majority of the Russian population accepted the pension reform negatively, with rejection. No discussion about the need for pension reform can convince an elderly person of 60 years that he needs to work at a factory or construction site for another five years without receiving a pension earned over decades of work.

Raising the retirement age by the average life expectancy of a man, combined with a negligible amount of pension (only certain groups receive decent pensions, it’s not about them), also gives the opposite effect in terms of legalizing work: people are convinced that before retirement they can and do not live out. Accordingly, you can not pay mandatory contributions to the Pension Fund, and spend this money on current residence or save for old age yourself.

But in Russian society, with its inherent paternalism, the need for independent accumulation of old age is perceived as “scam” by the state. Thus, the authority of state power is undermined, the socio-political system itself is undermined.

So, again, did the wrong people go? .. Wrong? .. Unable to assess the situation and fit into the market?
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  1. Pvi1206 6 May 2020 12: 16 New
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    pension reform in Russia is an anti-people and anti-state diversion of the economic bloc of power, which is engaged only in this ...
    1. tihonmarine 6 May 2020 12: 28 New
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      Quote: Pvi1206
      pension reform in Russia is an anti-people and anti-state diversion of the economic bloc of power

      Well, this is not only in Russia, but throughout the capitalist world as well. There are countries where the retirement age is 68 years.
      1. Snail N9 6 May 2020 12: 36 New
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        It’s still, everyone naively thinks that even after 65 years they will receive a naive pension, there the government has plans to increase points for receiving a pension in this period, in the future it will be necessary to have officially confirmed in labor and not only confirmed by deductions employers in a pension fund, work experience of 25 years. I dare to assure you, only employees of state-owned enterprises, security officials and other "state feeding services" will be able to receive confirmation of such an experience, the rest will not be able, and as a result they will leave for a penny social pension from .... 70 (75 years in plans) years. Already now, many, because of the mess of the 90s and early 2000s, cannot confirm their experience at 15 years old, but what will happen when it will be necessary to confirm it for 20-25 years? sad
        1. Lexus 6 May 2020 12: 59 New
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          So it was in the Soviet State.



          So it has become now.

          Why do pseudo-state citizens, from whom already squeezed everything out? Pensioners are “illiquid assets” that they get rid of. That's all you need to know about modern Russian pension reforms.yes
          1. Tatyana 6 May 2020 14: 01 New
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            Of course, pension reform in the Russian Federation is a pro-Western DIVERSION towards Russia from the side of the financial and economic bloc in the government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of Russia - Nabiulina with her hubby Ya.I. Kuzminov, founder and rector of the Higher School of Economics National Research University - a school of betrayal of the national interests of the Russian Federation.
            And the Federation Council and the State Duma of the Russian Federation are, in fact, pocket instruments of the financial and economic bloc in the Russian Federation.

            Together, they are the Gaidar-Chubais colonial-pro-Western administrative in the Russian Federation, existing in the country since the 1990s.

            So far, Russia has national sovereignty only military - and especially nothing more.
            1. Svarog 6 May 2020 14: 07 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              Of course, pension reform in the Russian Federation is a pro-Western DIVERSION


              Anyway, the president had the final word .. and he said .. "I ask you to be understanding," what does it mean that the tail is twisting the dog? Or are they all for one? I am inclined to the second, one gang of watering can .. made from the state a cooperative ..
              1. Lexus 6 May 2020 14: 27 New
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                When retiring, a European pensioner travels around the world, and a Russian - goes around the world. (C) modern saying

                I have no doubt that having dealt with pensioners, the “permanent” and with the “long-playing pensioners” will sooner or later end.
              2. Radio_wave 8 May 2020 09: 04 New
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                I agree one St. Petersburg gang is.
            2. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 14: 43 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              So far, Russia has national sovereignty only military - and especially nothing more.

              what the country does not have sovereignty in parts !! fool laughing
              1. Tatyana 6 May 2020 15: 10 New
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                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                the country does not have sovereignty in parts !!
                Unfortunately, sovereignty can be FULL or Partial.
                Sovereignty (from the French. Souverainete - supreme power) is the supremacy and independence of state power, manifested in appropriate forms in the domestic and foreign policy activities of the state.

                There are many factors indicating the existence of the sovereignty of the country, but there are 6 main components, without which it is impossible to talk about the complete independence and independence of the state.
                Full State Sovereignty consists of the following elements:
                1. Recognition by the international community territory of the country; the presence of a flag, coat of arms and anthem.
                2. Diplomatic sovereignty - the ability to pursue an independent international policy.
                3. Military sovereignty - the ability to defend their state from an external military attack. If the state cannot protect itself, then this means that a stronger state can make any demands on it.
                4. Economic sovereignty - This is the supremacy in domestic economic affairs and the economic equality of states in the international arena. If the state cannot control its economy, then it will be controlled by someone else who can bring down the country's economy at any time, or make, for example, a country a raw materials appendage of another country, or put pressure on an economically dependent state.
                5. Legal sovereignty - consolidation of the status of a sovereign state in legislative form. The lack of legal sovereignty is a consequence of its loss as a whole.
                6. Ideological (cultural) sovereignty - the presence of their own state ideology, culture. Ideology and culture are closely intertwined with each other. Ideology is formed from culture and vice versa. Eastern wisdom says: "If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children." If the state does not have its own ideology, then an alien culture can easily be imposed on the society of such a state, and this can play against the state itself.

                Only in the presence of all these 6 factors can we say that the state is SOVEREIGN.
                Today, only three states have Full State Sovereignty - Great Britain, the USA and China.
                1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 16: 19 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Today, only three states have Full State Sovereignty - Great Britain, the USA and China.

                  laughing you would not be fond of much such scribble !!! wink lol
                  1. cniza 6 May 2020 17: 38 New
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                    Well then, you must already include all the Anglo-Saxons ... and what about the DPRK? laughing
                  2. Tatyana 6 May 2020 20: 22 New
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                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    you would not be fond of much such scribble !!!
                    But why? Since you have questions about sovereignty, then others may have questions.
                    Others will read my answers - those to whom this topic is not indifferent and interesting.

                    The USSR in 1952 was a FULLY sovereign state, the course of power aimed at the development of the country.
                    The USSR in 1980 is a sovereign state, but a crisis of ideology sets in.

                    In the period from 1991 to 1999, the Russian Federation has practically no sovereigntyThere is only international recognition. Namely:
                    - 1. Recognition: there is a flag, a coat of arms, but we don’t have a hymn, there is only music.
                    - 2. There is no diplomatic sovereignty. The Warsaw block was dissolved in the 91st year. Russia is losing its allies one by one.
                    - 3. Military sovereignty is significantly lost. The Russian Federation is disarming unilaterally and can no longer compete on equal terms with the United States. Despite the presence of nuclear weapons, Russia is not able to repel not only an external military threat, but an internal one. This was evidenced by the inability of Russia to cope with terrorism in the First Chechen War. As a result, the 1 Khasavyurt agreements on the cessation of hostilities in Chechnya were signed. According to the agreement, the Chechen Republic was to be recognized as a subject of international law, having left Russia over the next 1996 years. And this meant that other republics, as well as Chechnya, could demand separation from the Russian Federation. The signing of the Khasavyurt agreements was to be the final stage of the liquidation of Russia.
                    - 4. There is no economic sovereignty. A country cannot provide itself with anything. The whole industry is sold for pennies. The Central Bank of Russia is separated from the state. The ruble is a derivative of the dollar - to print rubles, you need to buy dollars. The state cannot control the credit rate. In 1993, the Central Bank of Russia refinancing rate reached a record high of 210%. This indicator is the collapse of the economic system of the Russian Federation. In 1995, Yeltsin, at the request of the IMF, signed the "Production Sharing Agreement". Under this law, Russian deposits of natural resources were in international jurisdiction - i.e. money for the extraction of Russian oil did not go to the budget, but went to the accounts of Western banks and oil companies — primarily the British company Shell, for its personal expenses, and if something remained, they gave it to Russia.
                    - 5. There is no legal sovereignty. Article 15, paragraph 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation reads: “Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply. ” This means direct supranational governance. And this is just one example.
                    - 6. There is no ideological (cultural) sovereignty. Article 13, paragraph 2 establishes a ban on state ideology. We are actively adopting other people's values.

                    2013 - much has been restored in the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, but far from everything.
                    1. l7yzo 7 May 2020 18: 47 New
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                      YOU next time about the constitution, tell the law enforcement authorities - that you have rights))
                      By the way, they noticed - who in the world is all in balance - while the government did not ramp up the people strongly - our government did not ram in the world. It allowed itself to take advantage of the power over the weak - it received this in its address.
                  3. user 12 May 2020 09: 20 New
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                    you would not be fond of much such scribble !!!


                    What has become scary?
              2. Going 6 May 2020 17: 47 New
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                It’s hard to live in retirement, only to those who have not thought about it since youth and those who want to live at the expense of the state.
                1. Virus-free crown 6 May 2020 22: 51 New
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                  Do you EXACTLY live in Russia ?! fool
                  Tell me as a cleaner, all my official work activities working in white, Could save myself for a comfortable old age?

                  Or do we have in Russia there is a "white bone" and there is ... uh ... all the rest, which are 3/4 of the population at least ???
                  1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 12: 59 New
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                    What religion prevented the cleaning lady from getting an education and qualification? As my dad rightly said: "If you are a loader at 20 years old - there is nothing to worry about. But if you have been working as a loader for 20 years, you have lived a life in vain."
                    1. Virus-free crown 7 May 2020 14: 16 New
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                      Do you EXACTLY live in Russia ?! repeat Do we have robots instead of cleaners ?! And in general, during the Soviet era there was a slogan - all works are good, choose to taste !!!
                      1. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 09: 45 New
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                        Uzbeks work with us as “cleaning managers”. And if you are talking about the USSR, then Lenin said: "study, study and study again."
                      2. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 11: 58 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        Uzbeks work with us as “cleaning managers”. And if you are talking about the USSR, then Lenin said: "study, study and study again."

                        So I say that we live in two different Russia laughing
                        In MY Russia, the "cleaning manager" at our company is "Aunt Klava" - a single mother - who raised and raised 2 children - cool children, moreover !!! fellow
                      3. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 00 New
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                        In my village, in Pyaterochka, the sellers are Russian, but the cleaning lady is a Central Asian. I’m silent about Peter.
                      4. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 12: 08 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        In my village, in Pyaterochka, the sellers are Russian, but the cleaning lady is a Central Asian. I’m silent about Peter.

                        But in my village - 59 km from Moscow time - in pyaterochka - both Russians and Uzbeks - they are also sellers and cleaners hi and OTHER work in our village for 1000+ inhabitants is NOT from the word at all !!!! just understand - NO !!! there’s nothing more where you can get a job, the nearest city is 15 km from us near Moscow
                      5. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 17 New
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                        I'm at my job for over 300 km. I’m traveling, though not every day. From the city to the countryside. And you need to learn, you must. We leave the rag and broom to the Uzbeks.
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                      7. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 42 New
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                        And what about Nazism? Skilled jobs should be occupied, first of all, by citizens of Russia, do you disagree with this? Do you want to be treated, taught, repaired by your foreigners? Since when is the owner of a small woodworking elite? Tell the oligarch again! With a gold toilet on a business jet, yeah.
                      8. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 12: 51 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And what about Nazism? Skilled jobs should be occupied, first of all, by citizens of Russia, do you disagree with this? Do you want to be treated, taught, repaired by your foreigners? Since when is the owner of a small woodworking elite? Tell the oligarch again! With a gold toilet on a business jet, yeah.


                        Nazism - in your words that "Qualified jobs should be occupied, first of all, by citizens of Russia" am

                        and unskilled citizens of Russia should die of hunger - in their place to recruit "Uzbeks"
                      9. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 58 New
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                        And unskilled must qualify. No incapable - there are unwanted.
                      10. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 13: 02 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And unskilled must qualify. No incapable - there are unwanted.

                        Well, that's what I’m saying - we live in DIFFERENT Russia laughing
                        In my Russia, 59 km from Moscow, my neighbor, a single mother, has two children and she has a seriously ill mother who does not get out of bed, there is NO near 15 km from us !!! jobs from the word at all !!! and this is NOT a dead taiga - this is the NEAREST suburbs !!!

                        It’s a pity that you can’t "stay in the shoes" of my neighbor for at least a month ...
                      11. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 13: 13 New
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                        I was in this way in the 90s. And more than one year. When they sat on the ground, they were miserably detained for 4 months without flights and their salaries were XNUMX months, then the pilots weren’t paid much. With three children and a wife in her arms. Nothing: I learned how to control a road train and got into the furnace and set up a buy-sell. This is in my Russia. There are no hopeless cases, with rare exceptions, like your neighbor’s. And then, if she has certain skills, then you can find a job remotely. I won an online store employee needed to receive orders.
                      12. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 13: 28 New
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                        I read before, while opinions on the forum did not intersect with you, that you - let's put it mildly - "mishandled Cossack" wink
                        now I'm just sure about it bully
                        I told the same thing about just one of my neighbors, and on the apartment site there are two more families, and in the entrance way how many people live, but in the house ... and in the village ... what
                        here you can compose a poem why it’s not living well in Russia ... and almost everything will be “carbon copy” ...

                        so I accuse you of Nazism - if out of the 1000+ inhabitants of my village you accuse everyone of the fact that they are Inadequate to live in Russia - then who are you really ???
                      13. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 13: 49 New
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                        But it’s not worth cutting everyone under one comb. If the conversation has already entered the landings, then I have only one out of 5 apartments living poorly. Alcoholic. And so long-range on his wagon, IT specialist, store owner and I, your humble servant. And how many more lives in my front door? Judging by the cost of parked cars, they live well. For some reason, migrant workers find work for themselves, and, often, earn more than the indigenous ones. Something we have to turn the steering wheel on a minibus for 60 of the few local people. Like sitting at the leverage of a bulldozer. Who am i? The pilot, a former, was bailed out into fifty dollars for retirement due to health reasons. I had to spin - spin. I tried one thing - it didn’t work, the other one didn’t. Engaged in third - voila - profit!
                      14. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 13: 57 New
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                        But you are aware of how many points from the Constitution of Russia you managed to question only in the past XNUMX hours ?! bully

                        I will now file a complaint with you Dear Site Administration - at the same time and check how they know the laws of the country in which we live drinks
                      15. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 14: 11 New
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                        List violated clauses of the Constitution, be so kind. At the same time, check your legal literacy.
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                      17. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 14: 21 New
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                        That is, you yourself are not able to formulate your thoughts? Apparently, this is where your standard of living is - not able to, I apologize for the tautology. My Russia is a Russia of opportunity. Yours is not able to. Get out of the couch.
                      18. Virus-free crown 8 May 2020 14: 25 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        That is, you yourself are not able to formulate your thoughts? Apparently, this is where your standard of living is - not able to, I apologize for the tautology. My Russia is a Russia of opportunity. Yours is not able to. Get out of the couch.

                        I’m used to “discuss shrimp tastes only with those who have tasted them.” hi
                        And two - I’m still a law-abiding citizen of my country, and it jars me when publicly violating its laws and bragging about it am
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                        AMB 8 May 2020 18: 51 New
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                        excuse me AU, by old age I retired and writhed Count Monte Cristo, fear God, pride is the most terrible sin, but as it seems to me - I’ll cross you too much, you’re not Ivanov at all.
                      20. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 18: 54 New
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                        And I'm an ordinary man, not seven spans in my forehead and the seal of genius is not marked. I managed. Why are you worse than me?
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                        AMB 8 May 2020 18: 58 New
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                        Thank you of course for you, you are not Ivanov, that's for sure.
  2. magirus401 22 May 2020 12: 19 New
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    What categorical right you are, I think you are 14-15 years old, judging by youthful maximalism, but nothing will pass, with age
  • Pvi1206 7 May 2020 20: 39 New
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    someone needs to work as a loader if there is a need for society ... neither profession, position, nor wealth makes a person better or worse ...
  • magirus401 8 May 2020 09: 18 New
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    [What religion prevented the cleaning lady from getting an education and qualification? / quote] And if there is no elementary ability to learn, what qualifications are we talking about, and not all the bosses and oh, what kind of specialists to be, someone should work to support them, and that the loader is shameful in the work, so your dad is not fair , in the article we are talking about retirement, and therefore about decent pay for any work
    1. AU Ivanov. 8 May 2020 12: 10 New
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      Yes, there is no inability - there is reluctance. I would like to see our women not with a dirty rag in their hands, but at a computer in a warm office, at an operating table, with a pointer in their hands by the school board. Working skilled workers. They deserve it. A rag, weights and other black work - for migrant workers.
  • l7yzo 7 May 2020 18: 43 New
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    Yes, this is because you got the advice section. The current ones will no longer have this - neither apartments in their youth, nor trips from the party or collective farm. Yes, many of the small towns do not go further than the dachas - there is no money. From there, the army is torn - to see the country.
    Printed like that.
  • user 12 May 2020 09: 25 New
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    It’s hard to live in retirement, only to those who have not thought about it since youth and those who want to live at the expense of the state.

    You are probably from the political forces, in dusty helmets. Because of this approach, you will never have a strong state.
  • tihonmarine 6 May 2020 14: 52 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Together, they are the Gaidar-Chubais colonial-pro-Western administrative in the Russian Federation, existing in the country since the 1990s.

    You wrote it right, but it’s amazing that there are so many people who don’t like it. Do they really support the pension system, the HSE and the aunt with the Central Bank?
  • l7yzo 7 May 2020 18: 41 New
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    The suite makes the king. And so you can tryndet as much as you like.
  • user 12 May 2020 09: 18 New
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    Of course, pension reform in the Russian Federation is a pro-Western DIVERSION in relation to Russia


    In this question, the main saboteur of the CTO?
    Guess from three times.
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  • ism_ek 6 May 2020 16: 35 New
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    I am 43 years old. According to the PF information, 20 years of experience. Not a security official or a civil servant. Just honestly paying taxes. We have low pensions because a third of the population considers it normal to not pay taxes.
    1. edasko 6 May 2020 18: 44 New
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      And why are gas prices high? Do you pay taxes or your employer? Here's what the employer pays for you (if you're not self-employed):
      Personal income tax (13%)
      Contribution to the FIU (22%)
      Contribution to the FSS (3%)
      Contribution to the MHIF (5%)
      For example, personal income tax - can you tell where it is spent? And from pension funds where money periodically disappears and why are their managers periodically caught abroad?
      1. ism_ek 6 May 2020 20: 40 New
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        Quote: edasko
        Here's what the employer pays for you (if you're not self-employed):
        Personal income tax (13%)
        Contribution to the FIU (22%)
        Contribution to the FSS (3%)
        Contribution to the MHIF (5%)

        Two thirds of the country's population pay all these taxes.
        Quote: edasko
        For example, personal income tax - can you tell where it is spent?

        85% - the regional budget and 15% the local budget, i.e. PIT is the construction of schools and kindergartens, the salaries of doctors and teachers.
        Quote: edasko
        And from pension funds where money periodically disappears and why are their managers periodically caught abroad?

        How much did you steal from pensioners?
        1. edasko 6 May 2020 21: 41 New
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          Well, in general. The car is expensive, 4 apartments, girls are cute .. Envy? Come to me to work, you will not regret it!
    2. Virus-free crown 6 May 2020 22: 57 New
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      I have more than your experience wink All my life I have been taxed by taxes am Why will my FUTURE pension be such that I cannot even go abroad on a trip around the world in my old age ??? crying
      1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 13: 04 New
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        Because a good third of the able-bodied population does not consider it necessary to pay taxes in the established manner. And you will retire later for the same reason.
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          And what do I care about this third ?! am
          Did i pay ??? - paid !!!
          "Be so kind as to wrap my purchase" wassat
        2. l7yzo 7 May 2020 18: 51 New
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          Well, I had experience, but I think that all citizens have))) Where are all the savings from the funded pension? And remember how cool it was - For each ruble you invested, the state will add another ruble. )
  • Doccor18 6 May 2020 13: 01 New
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    In our team for
    retired for the last 5 years
    4 men. Three of them are already gone
    alive. Another 2 died before they reached 60. As a result, out of 6 potential pensioners, only 65 would survive to 1.
    Yes, and there are a huge number of professions and positions,
    where just physically at 64
    not really working fine.
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  • Lannan Shi 6 May 2020 13: 20 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Well, this is not only in Russia, but throughout the capitalist world as well. There are countries where the retirement age is 68 years.

    Compare life expectancy. In the same USA, the life expectancy for retirement will be 13 years, we have 9. In Germany 15, the same number as France, Italy 16. Greece and the Netherlands 13. We do not need to raise the retirement age, but lower it, for that matter. Well, if if the state exploiting its citizens longer than its neighbors, the state cannot provide them with pensions ... Then the state leadership should be changed, not prolonged the term of operation.
    1. Kuroneko 6 May 2020 13: 36 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      In the same usa, retirement life will be 13 years

      In fairness, I note that in the same States, the bulk of the population is so heavily credited that loans are inherited from father to son, then to his son, and so on. Yes, there (in most cases) collectors with an iron and a soldering iron do not come, but half of America has long been living by inherited debt (and hearing and reading many of the revelations of our "sausage emigrants", this is even considered NORMAL - moreover, it comes and to the point where if you don’t take loans, the neighbors begin to look at you askance: "they say, what kind of cones does he eat like that?"). So all the more understandable is the tradition of the Americans to take their old people to nursing homes - there they are kakbe at the state. a boarding house, but their own pension helps a little bit to sons / daughters to keep the "family debt" in a more or less tolerable framework. Those. at least enough debt service.
    2. New Year day 6 May 2020 13: 46 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Compare life expectancy.

      and not only the duration! QUALITY of life must be compared
    3. 210ox 6 May 2020 13: 55 New
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      Where did you get this figure-9 years ... Of the men, one in a thousand will survive. This I still modestly call.
      1. Lannan Shi 6 May 2020 14: 00 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Where did you get this figure-9 years ..

        Average life expectancy - average retirement. In fact, yes, in fact, everything is many times worse. But I use only official data. And with them then .... Everything is more than sad.
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          Yes I understand. Official data they are. I know only one person who lived to be 75 years old, my father-in-law. But he worked as a leader almost all his life. Hard workers do not reach 65.
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            I know only one person who lived to be 75 years old, my father-in-law.

            Without cents 10 years in the construction work, road. Handymen, those that are "in the snow and in the heat", to 40 full ruins. Maximum to 45. Machine operators to 50-55. Even in the ITR position .... Let's just say, not sugar, and not even honey. Although it took 8-10 hours, on average, on the street, in the fresh air, health didn’t increase. Contrary to the claims of medicine about the benefits of fresh air to the body yes
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        Quote: 210ox
        Of the men, one in a thousand will survive. This I still modestly call.

        Here you, too, exaggerated in a sy-and-silly way, but here is that the middle of the 50s of life is the most dangerous time for men (almost half die at this age) - this is a fact. Essentially, cardiovascular.
        And even earlier. Mironov will not let lie. Although, of course, he spent himself as rarely. The great actors of the old school quickly wore themselves out.
  • Sling cutter 6 May 2020 13: 33 New
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    Well, this is not only in Russia, but throughout the capitalist world as well. There are countries where the retirement age is 68 years.

    Comrade, do not forget that in the developed cap. countries, life expectancy is higher, and the size of the pension itself is simply not comparable with ours.
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      Do not forget that in the developed cap. countries, life expectancy is higher, and the size of the pension itself is simply not comparable with ours.

      Where I live, the end of the term is 67 years, life expectancy, as in Russia, retirement is a bit more. Although I delayed my term, and left at a discount of 46 years. True, he worked for a long time in the main specialty, and now I work.
  • Svarog 6 May 2020 14: 04 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Well, this is not only in Russia, but throughout the capitalist world as well. There are countries where the retirement age is 68 years.

    Just for some reason, European pensioners have the opportunity to travel the world, and ours count every penny ..
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      Just why European pensioners have the opportunity to travel the world

      There developed capitalism, and pensions are much greater.
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        There developed capitalism, and pensions are much greater.

        That’s what we’re talking about ... there is a higher life expectancy and pensions .. only the officials there are not so greedy ..
    2. AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 16: 15 New
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      Not every European pensioner can afford travel. Either own savings, or annuity, or corporate pension. Our pensioners abroad are also not uncommon.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Our pensioners abroad are also not uncommon.

        I agree, it’s not uncommon, but it’s mainly Muscovite grandmothers who live by renting their apartments.
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          My mother is not a Muscovite and does not rent an apartment, but we, her children, and five of us, constantly send our mother to travel or to improve health at the resorts. Abroad.
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            The fact that you and your brothers and sisters (for the benefit of five of you) ensure your mother’s vacation abroad does honor to you, and not to the state, so please do not distort. It’s about the state’s care for its retirees, or you want to say that your mother’s pension will be enough for secured living and will remain on vacation abroad.
            1. AU Ivanov. 7 May 2020 12: 55 New
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              A decent pension - a blockade worker, a home front worker (from 11 years old a nurse in a hospital) Karlovy Vary may not be enough, but just go to
              the same Czech Republic - quite. Often I see our retirees and a lot of shopping in Finland.
  • Graduate student 7 May 2020 20: 28 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    There are countries where the retirement age is 68 years.

    But we don’t live somewhere in the world, we live in Russia and we have nothing to follow.
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia.

    Author: F. I. Tyutchev
  • Anatole Klim 6 May 2020 12: 29 New
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    anti-people and anti-state diversion of the economic bloc of power

    Ah, whoever is to blame, it turns out the economic bloc of power, and I swear to the Duma and SovFed, and the Government, and Him too, and the bloc is blamed for the economic bloc, but his eyes opened am
    1. Fan-fan 6 May 2020 15: 05 New
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      sabotage of the economic bloc of power

      With these expressions they want to divert responsibility for this "diversion" from the Main Person.
  • smart ass 6 May 2020 12: 39 New
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    Say don’t speak, there’s no sense
  • To be or not to be 6 May 2020 12: 45 New
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    Listen to what the Voucher said that year
    1. Errr 6 May 2020 17: 12 New
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      Quote: To be or not to be
      Listen to what the Voucher said that year
      "In that far" is now the 2011th year. smile
      You presented Chubais's speech at the RusNanoTech 2011 forum on October 27, 2011. With all my rather skeptical attitude towards this person, here it’s hard for me to disagree with him. If the population growth of the planet is not controlled, it will be, to put it mildly, not very good. Only specifically about the population of Russia, I didn’t hear anything from him here. smile And the main topic in this speech was, in general, not about limiting the population, but rather about stopping the irrational, predatory consumption of planet resources by humanity through the use of new technological solutions. If you have the desire and time, you can watch and listen to this performance in full from the link https://youtu.be/4u0n8P2k_e8.
  • paul3390 6 May 2020 12: 56 New
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    You might think - the rest of the blocks are something better! Yes, at least take a look at medicine .. And so - alas, everything is with us .. Here the system needs to be changed, and not the blocks and individual characters.
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      Quote: paul3390
      You might think - the rest of the blocks are something better! Yes, at least take a look at medicine .. And so - alas, everything is with us .. Here the system needs to be changed, and not the blocks and individual characters.

      Of course, it is necessary to change the whole system, from the fact that the beds will move, the sense will be zero .. The state should be a state, not a cooperative .. If the state is socially irresponsible - why is it needed? Why pay taxes? What would contain this mediocre, huge apparatus of officials?
      1. paul3390 6 May 2020 14: 52 New
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        Actually - what can be the first conclusions from the ongoing cataclysm?
        1. The authorities were not able to ensure the safety of the population, because they did not impose tough measures on the spot a la China or Vietnam. Instead - some kind of stupid and meaningless type of self-isolation. Although there is, after all, both quarantine and emergency mode. But no .. With all the consequences.
        2. Putin’s vertical of power was absolutely not working. The mess as it was - continues, and half a year as the epidemic began. On the ground - some in the woods, some for firewood. They could not provide banal masks. But - heaps of all sorts of formidable decisions are made ..
        3. Putin turned out to be frankly weak. For all his pointers - they put everything with the device .. Starting from banks, ending with the population. It turned out - that no one began to listen to him, but to force him - he could not or did not want to. Thus, violating the commander’s first commandment - never give orders that you can’t force to execute. And this is his weakness - to us soon oh how comes around ..
        4. Putin was corny greed. For he did not give a penny from the accumulated population, when many were literally put on the brink of survival .. Putting everything on our shoulders. And then it will only get worse. And our Koschey - languishes over gold. Type - a small egg on a rainy day. - if it’s not him, then which one is really black ??? In general, it became clear that our survival is purely our problems. The authorities are not going to interfere. Moreover, she openly scoffs at us, demanding that we, from nowhere, also pay taxes and salaries.

        Conclusion: And to hell with us such power ?? But the most disgusting - apparently only ahead .. But the capitalist elite have already demonstrated all their "best" qualities. They don’t care about us. It means we want to survive, we need to change power. Back to the Soviet. Only in this way there are chances for a better future ..
  • Sling cutter 6 May 2020 13: 18 New
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    it is an anti-people and anti-state diversion of the economic bloc of power, which is engaged only in this ...

    Without the president’s signature, the law does not enter into force. Accordingly, who is the last father, hence the father of raising the retirement age is our "wonderful" president. so that he was empty!
    1. Pavel57 6 May 2020 13: 44 New
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      We will not know what the president has been led to.
      1. martin-159 6 May 2020 15: 16 New
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        Who cares?
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      He could not sign this law !!!

      His words are:

  • New Year day 6 May 2020 13: 53 New
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    Quote: Pvi1206
    it is an anti-people and anti-state diversion of the economic bloc of power

    1. Lexus 6 May 2020 14: 09 New
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      All this “getting up from one’s knees” just to make it easier to put into a coffin.
  • pereselenec 6 May 2020 20: 13 New
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    economic power bloc

    What a flimsy effimism, not to say "Putin."
  • Boris Chernikov 6 May 2020 22: 29 New
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    like a pension in the USSR .. but then for some reason no one ached ..
  • Graduate student 7 May 2020 20: 26 New
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    Quote: Pvi1206
    sabotage of the economic bloc of power

    Right. The positions of Gaidar and Chubais in economic policy are very strong.
  • About 2 8 May 2020 08: 44 New
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    First of all, this is a sabotage of the nullified unprincipled Putin, who is not responsible for his words.
  • AB
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    And when the powers that be were interested in the life of the common people? Never!
    1. Uncle lee 6 May 2020 13: 22 New
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      perceived as “scam” by the state

      "And please treat this with understanding!"
  • Crowe 6 May 2020 12: 26 New
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    So, again, did the wrong people go? .. Wrong?

    Yes, the authorities were not lucky with the people. Some people want pensions there, then they don’t understand the current situation. The ungrateful people. They promised him paradise, but he .... There’s something to be done about this ... to bring the Chinese, so it’s no longer an option, they have an average salary more .. Can it come from Africa? So they want to live in Europe, not with us ... What to do ....
  • ximkim 6 May 2020 12: 27 New
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    A pension fund is such a pleasant place in which the money of the population is stored. After retirement, you need to pay this money. And once, in one fell swoop, a pension reform was signed so that money didn’t go anywhere or was delayed. How is it: you earn money not you hands, but we hands laughing
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      And once, in one fell swoop of the pen, a pension reform was signed so that denyuzhki did not go anywhere, or were delayed.

      they were simply plundered request
  • prior 6 May 2020 12: 30 New
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    If pension reform is not genocide, then what?
  • rocket757 6 May 2020 12: 33 New
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    He passed the people of his own sentence pension reform!
    And then what ???
    "Vaska" still strives to gobble up his sour cream, and the cook, at least stand, at least go to bed right away ... got settled where they said.
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      Quote: rocket757
      He passed the people of his own sentence pension reform!

      Well, as Nekrasov said:
      Do not be shy for the kindly fatherland ...
      I brought enough Russian people,
      He took this railroad too -
      He will bear everything that the Lord sends!
      It will endure everything - and broad, clear
      Breast pave the way for himself.
      The only pity is to live in this beautiful time
      I don’t have to - neither to me nor to you ”
      .
      1. rocket757 6 May 2020 15: 39 New
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        Classics of the genre! Only if we cannot bear, at all, this “load”, the descendants will not say thank you for sure!
  • Igor Borisov_2 6 May 2020 12: 34 New
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    All points in the article to the point !!!
  • seacap 6 May 2020 12: 36 New
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    Because for these ghouls who have seized power, but are not ready for it in their intellectual development, but in psychological and moral terms, there are not even censorship words, those who betrayed and killed their country, who gave it for plunder and reproach, and without any intervention and struggle, solely for the sake of their own ambitions and the satisfaction of philistine needs, so are people in the country, a burden and hindrance, figures on paper, despicable plebs.
  • Van 16 6 May 2020 12: 39 New
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    "Pension reform can be called one of the most unpopular decisions of President Vladimir Putin in almost 20 years of his stay in power."
    His most shameful decision, moreover, is betrayal of the people of Russia.
    1. paul3390 6 May 2020 13: 08 New
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      That’s okay, but guess what’s about to start now? After kovidlov? A bunch of small businesses went out and inevitably will leave even more soon, several million young animals will end up on the street, and then there are still non-pensioners ... That's when all this type of reform will rotten to us! And it remains to wait - a couple of months on the strength ..
      1. Van 16 6 May 2020 13: 15 New
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        Yes, this "reform" was originally cannibalistic, and the further it goes, the more its anti-people’s face will show.
  • paul3390 6 May 2020 12: 41 New
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    Because the bourgeoisie will not calm down until they ditch all the social gains of the USSR. Their ideal is somewhere around the middle of the 19th century, with disenfranchised and impoverished people. And they are systematically implementing their plans. There is no hope for Putin, for he represents precisely these circles. Which more than once proved the last time. So - we have only one reasonable option, to return Soviet power. Otherwise, the capitalists will definitely kill us .. For there are no limits to their greed and greed ..
  • 7,62h54 6 May 2020 12: 47 New
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    Citizen Polonsky, let’s go without hysteria and rocking the boat. What do you propose?
    1. Ross xnumx 6 May 2020 12: 59 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      Citizen Polonsky, let’s go without hysteria and rocking the boat. What do you propose?

      It is not necessary to ask Polonsky, but to establish popular power with the abolition of the pension law. We will choose.
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      Citizen Polonsky, let’s go without hysteria and rocking the boat. What do you propose?

      I'm afraid that soon people themselves will make an offer
      1. Pavel123 7 May 2020 03: 26 New
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        And they sincerely believe that if the power is overthrown, it will become better? Naive. It will only get worse. For most citizens. At least not one of the republics of the former USSR began to live better.
        1. Pavel57 7 May 2020 16: 39 New
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          Replace Putin with Sobyanin?
  • Siberian 6 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    Yes, it’s not Russian paternalism that is guilty, but rather miserable salaries. Now in the running line they are inviting to work - some small production facilities, warehouses of everything in a row with s / pl. 14 thousand rubles. Why save from such a salary? And the pension is 38% of the salary. Here it is all the reform. Eh, the EP would wait just a little bit, the virus would solve all their problems, weed out everyone they planned. They would have waited, so they would not have been so overgrown.
  • Ross xnumx 6 May 2020 12: 57 New
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    In Russia, in many families, parents of young spouses, especially grandmothers, traditionally performed many functions to care for young children. Now grandmothers, forced to work even after 55 years, cannot take care of the children of their sons and daughters.

    In Russia, more than 205 places were lacking in kindergartens, but more than 000 grandparents coped with this. Now I do not know... request
    Briefly ... Only for this pension reform of the creators of the law and those who have accepted this "genocide" of the population should be judged, depriving forever of benefits and privileges. There should be no forgiveness for such cynicism. And it’s time to expel people over 65/60 from the civil service at the legislative level ...
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      And it’s time to expel people over 65/60 from the civil service at the legislative level ...

      --------------------
      In general, ELECTION OFFICERS should not be SUBSIDIARY Nobles; a normal rotation of power is needed so that there are no revolutions and civil wars. And in conditions of social blockage of power, corruption, arbitrariness and unjustified tyranny with the police force are generated.
    2. Van 16 6 May 2020 13: 20 New
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      "And it's time to expel people over 65/60 from the civil service at the legislative level .."
      And with an average pension in the country. For nefig.
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        And that is right now. 65 years is the deadline for the bulk of civil servants.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky 6 May 2020 13: 06 New
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    Pension reform is actually no reform, for the essence of any reform is changing something to improve the situation. And this, in the diplomatic language, is a confiscation measure. And if not diplomatic - state robbery of the population.
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      Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      for the essence of any reform is changing something to improve the situation.

      -------------------------
      By the way, the started "constitutional reform" completes what was started by the "pension reform", namely, destroys the remnants of the legitimacy of the current government.
    2. Pavel57 7 May 2020 17: 02 New
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      The cancellation of St. George's Day was also a reform.
  • Altona 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
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    When they just voiced their Wishlist and began to drive propaganda programs about how cool it is to be old and work hard, I and probably many other people (including middle-level officials) immediately thought that the authorities were breaking their legitimacy with their own hands, breaking their social base and in general takes a frankly stupid step, knocking out a stool or throne from under him. I said in the elections in 2016, don’t vote for United Russia, it will be worse, to which the old women replied “but they are paying for their penalties.” Well, they survived until the truth of what is called. Without pension reform, this government had a good share of loyalty and it was possible not to whistle in the mustache until 2024, but they wanted the best, they got it as always. Yes, and the effect of the "pension reform" was penny, only 23 billion rubles. Such money can be obtained by a small jump in the daily exchange rate of the ruble kopeks at 50-70.
  • Sancho_SP 6 May 2020 13: 13 New
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    It is necessary to reform the pension towards its abolition.

    Everyone who receives a white salary gives 22% (!) To a pension fund. And of this money, a pension is paid to all those who did not pay taxes. I do not like such leveling, because with an average salary of a qualified specialist, I feed 2-3 pensioners at a minimum wage and a quarter of an official from the PFR.

    I am more than happy not to pay 22% and not to receive any pension for experience. Yes, and most of those who pay taxes.
    1. Kronos 6 May 2020 23: 49 New
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      This is a pubic eater
    2. Oleg Skvortsov 7 May 2020 11: 42 New
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      Sancho, you are not feeding anyone. Each pensioner earned his own pension, having developed experience. Your reasoning - reasoning of an immature mind
  • Whirlwind 6 May 2020 13: 22 New
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    In general, a socialist state with its social funds and social expenditures inevitably loses to capitalism in a competitive struggle for profit, if the people do not consciously support it or if they do not rob other countries and peoples, like the USA ...
    Was the defeat of the USSR in the ХV 1945-1991 with the USA and the West? It was !
    Everyone can feel the consequences in their own skin.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov 7 May 2020 11: 41 New
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      You’re our whirlwind, anti-Soviet - for 30 years in Russia you have grinned rotting capitalism, and you’re all about socialism, which you saw only in the womb of your mother
      1. Whirlwind 7 May 2020 18: 38 New
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        Dear, delve into what you were told. If capable ...
  • alone 6 May 2020 13: 24 New
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    I am surprised by one interesting detail: In the “Decaying West”, most retirees travel around the world .. Have fun for yourself ... Only post-Soviet pensioners after
    retire, sit and think: "How to live further"
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      I will upset you. In the decaying, not all pensioners can afford voyages. Either these are people who have savings, or have rents. And so there are many of our pensioners abroad.
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        I will upset you. In the decaying, not all pensioners can afford voyages. Either these are people who have savings, or have rents. And so there are many of our pensioners abroad.

        Well, upsetting me is not very easy ... At least they don’t think about nutrition, how to live on this money .. I am very ashamed to watch old people fight for expired products .. I wish everyone who supported these reforms to be in their place
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          For delay not only pensioners are fighting. I personally saw how during the liquidation of the SPAR hypermarket, quite respectable people fought for discounted goods, who came by car for several million. Yes, and it’s worth looking at Black Friday in other countries, it’s exactly the same as ours. X is a freebie.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            as with the liquidation of the SPAR hypermarket, for discounted goods

            As you noticed "for discounted goods" .. And these fought for products from the garbage bin .. This is not the same thing hi
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              But I didn’t see this, so that a sane person who does not suffer from dementia and is not an alcoholic rummaged in search of food. Is that homeless.
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                But I didn’t see this, so that a sane person who does not suffer from dementia and is not an alcoholic rummaged in search of food. Is that homeless.

                Do not renounce prison and from the sum. Who said?...
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            Human nature, it manifests itself unexpectedly.
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          Quote: lonely
          At least they don’t think about nutrition, about how they live on this money ..

          read ratings again ???? wassat and you were not surprised by the info that in prosperous Britain, pence doesn’t have money for heating ??? !!! wink
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            read ratings again ????

            Why read the ratings? I've been to several countries that have very scarce natural resources than Russia .. But the standard of living of their pensioners is many times better than Russian pensioners ...
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              Quote: lonely
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              read ratings again ????

              Why read the ratings? I've been to several countries that have very scarce natural resources than Russia .. But the standard of living of their pensioners is many times better than Russian pensioners ...

              I traveled all over the world ... not everything is so simple !!! wink lol
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                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                I traveled all over the world ... not everything is so simple !!!
                Essentially have something to say? Not the whole world, I'm not Putin V.V. Been in some countries "Rotting".
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                  Quote: lonely
                  Essentially have something to say?

                  in fact, you were told right away !! wink
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              lonely (Omar Khayyam),
              "Theirs" pensioners live on money that is not paid to our pensioners.
    2. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 14: 49 New
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      Quote: lonely
      I am surprised by one interesting detail: In the "Rotting West", most retirees travel around the world .. Have a rest ...

      what who surprised you with such noodles on your ears ??? !!! wassat laughing ratings read again ?? !!! lol
      1. alone 6 May 2020 15: 01 New
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        Well, why immediately noodles and immediately to the ears? Have you seen the life of foreign pensioners? I saw .. They live for themselves, at least they don’t think about food .. And I see the life of our senior citizens ... If it can be called life ..
        1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 16: 14 New
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          Quote: lonely
          I have seen.

          daughter of an officer - our fffffsёёёёёёё !!!! wassat laughing
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            daughter of an officer - our fffffsёёёёёёё !!!!

            You can have it all .. I'm used to talking about what I see .. But not about what they say on TV. I would not be surprised if you confirm that 17000r. it's middle class hi
            1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 16: 23 New
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              Quote: lonely
              I'm used to talking about what I see ..

              It is doubtful that you are talking about everything you see !!! wink Really around you always some Cossacks go, but the poor ask for a piece of bread ?? !! wassat
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                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: lonely
                I'm used to talking about what I see ..

                It is doubtful that you are talking about everything you see !!! wink Really around you always some Cossacks go, but the poor ask for a piece of bread ?? !! wassat

                "The artist sees this" .. And here you can’t argue .. laughing
                How many such "free artists" we have divorced, read them and at least shoot ..
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                  Quote: Mambius
                  Quote: Nikolai Grek
                  Quote: lonely
                  I'm used to talking about what I see ..

                  It is doubtful that you are talking about everything you see !!! wink Really around you always some Cossacks go, but the poor ask for a piece of bread ?? !! wassat

                  "The artist sees this" .. And here you can’t argue .. laughing
                  How many such "free artists" we have divorced, read them and at least shoot ..

                  Well, so many of them finally have an opinion about what is happening in the country according to the comments of local "artists" HERE !!! belay laughing
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                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                It is doubtful that you are talking about everything you see !!! Really around you always some Cossacks go, but the poor ask for a piece of bread ?? !!

                And you probably saw Russian pensioners in Lexuses who drink champagne
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                  Quote: lonely
                  And you probably saw Russian pensioners in Lexuses who drink champagne

                  I heard (I think I’m not current, but really the whole world), when the pensioners of the "civilized" died from the coronavirus without waiting for any help !!! negative why are you, sincerely believes that there all pensioners cut into Lexus and drink champagne ??? !!! belay or do you sincerely believe that we do not have a single pensioner on a Lexus who can afford champagne ?? !!! fool wassat
                  1. alone 6 May 2020 16: 48 New
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                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    I heard (I think I’m not current, but really the whole world), when the pensioners of the "civilized" died from the coronavirus without waiting for any help !!!

                    And where is the coronavirus? We are kind of discussing pension reform in Russia here ..
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    why are you, sincerely believes that there all pensioners cut into Lexus and drink champagne ??? !!!

                    No, I don’t think .. There is a small car in fashion .. Actually, many live there economically ... But I didn’t see one normal old man or old woman pensioner who was looking for food in a trash can. BOMS are an exception ..
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    or do you sincerely believe that we do not have a single pensioner on a Lexus who can afford champagne ?? !!!

                    There is why, if a pensioner worked for many years as an official, he can ride on a Lexus, drink cool wine, enjoy the glory .. Apparently you are one of those .. I have never met ordinary pensioners with Lexus
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                      Quote: lonely
                      And where is the coronavirus?

                      despite the fact that he showed everyone the "beautiful" life of foreign pensioners !!! request
                      Quote: lonely
                      We are kind of discussing pension reform in Russia here ..

                      most importantly, they themselves began to crucify here about their retirees, but for some reason the reproach addressed to me !!! fool
                      Quote: lonely
                      In general, many live there economically ...

                      and why are they so ... why are they not supporting your theses about chic life ?? !! what
                      Quote: lonely
                      But I did not see one normal old man or old woman pensioner who was looking for food in the trash can.

                      you haven’t seen a lot of things in life ... this does not mean that it is so !!! wassat
                      Quote: lonely
                      I have not met ordinary pensioners with Lexus

                      the words above will revel in this for you !!! wink
                      PS ... like adults here in the comments, and such babble that you already wonder !!! recourse
  • Alexander Zaitov 6 May 2020 13: 27 New
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    The predatory grin of capitalism in action ... justice does not seem to wait ...
  • ugrums1961 6 May 2020 13: 48 New
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    I read the article and immediately rolled. I didn’t get to the comments. Do you think this economic bloc itself started all this, and Putin supposedly did not know at first and then persuaded him. I doubt that it was so. He raped the Russian people in all holes. He will provide himself with a life-long government and the use of benefits, his friends will not be in poverty either, and he is the people. In the summer, a lot of people came out to protest with the Communist Party, rightly so few. That's what He counted on. And the siloviki are fed to protect his power. They will trample against their mothers and fathers for a handout.
  • The Word of the Word 6 May 2020 13: 54 New
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    You criticize, offer better. No critic has proposed a solution to the progressive budget deficit of the pension system. Does anyone have sound, meaningful suggestions?
    1. Million 6 May 2020 14: 06 New
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      Cancel pension reform. Find alternative sources of replenishment of the budget. For example, a progressive taxation scale.
      1. The Word of the Word 9 May 2020 10: 56 New
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        For a while, it will plug the hole, and then what? Raise taxes again? This will not eliminate the cause of the growing budget deficit of the pension system.
    2. lot
      lot 6 May 2020 14: 12 New
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      The meaning of sentences without a fair choice.
      http://www.ochevidets.ru/rolik/43367/
      Masai take prey from the lions.
      with all due respect ...
    3. Overlock 6 May 2020 15: 07 New
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      Quote: Freedom of the Word
      Does anyone have sound, meaningful suggestions?

      Do not steal officials, live modestly pension funds. Why such palaces?

      it is possible further - it makes no sense
      1. Svarog 6 May 2020 16: 20 New
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        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: Freedom of the Word
        Does anyone have sound, meaningful suggestions?

        Do not steal officials, live modestly pension funds. Why such palaces?

        it is possible further - it makes no sense

        That would be nice to go to the "work" .. they are aesthetes .. so that beauty was around when robbed ..
      2. The Word of the Word 9 May 2020 10: 59 New
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        And why only officials should not steal? Can businessmen and citizens?
    4. ALARI 7 May 2020 10: 22 New
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      You need to steal less.
    5. AMB
      AMB 9 May 2020 19: 52 New
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      Compare the percentages of all civilian countries and answer where the money from the PFR supposedly went.
  • lot
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    I.S. 1952 (!):
    “It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without major changes in the current state of work. To do this, you must first reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary in order to the members of the society received enough free time necessary for receiving a comprehensive education.To do this, further, it is necessary to introduce compulsory polytechnical training, which is necessary so that the members of the society have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be confined for life to one profession. To do this, it is necessary to further radically improve housing conditions and raise the real wages of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the wage and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods. "
  • ximkim 6 May 2020 14: 03 New
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    Quote: ximkim
    And once, in one fell swoop of the pen, a pension reform was signed so that denyuzhki did not go anywhere, or were delayed.

    they were simply plundered request

    Or they took it at no cost. laughing (joke).

    Not just plundered, but spent most of the money from the fund for their own needs sad
    1. Altona 6 May 2020 14: 38 New
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      Quote: ximkim
      Not just plundered, but spent most of the money from the fund for their own needs

      --------------------------
      NPFs were simply taken abroad, and the FIUs are used for whatever they want, right up to "lending" to all kinds of "Nordic flows." In general, the state began to behave like a financial pyramid.
  • Virus-free crown 6 May 2020 14: 20 New
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    “Raising the retirement age by the average life expectancy of a man, combined with a negligible amount of pension (only certain groups receive decent pensions, it’s not about them), also gives the opposite effect in terms of legalizing work: people are convinced that before retiring may not survive. "

    Here with this TOTALLY !!! I agree!!!
    I then planned to live up to 65 at best, according to my plans it was to save up money and go to "see the world, show myself" at 60 am and now ... and now the state in itself = and I myself bully
  • U-58 6 May 2020 14: 40 New
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    Only the lazy will not write about this reform.
    So what are its consequences?
    It seems to me that the whole circle of the consequences that have arisen is a state secret, and I assume this in all seriousness.
    For having divulged them, the authorities will show their greed on the one hand, deceit on the other. As well as complete indiscretion, indiscretion, socio-economic incompetence.
    But lose face in no way.
    Therefore, making smart "Litsa", it is important to inflate the cheeks, power representatives will repeat the legend about the necessity and timeliness of this very rhemor as a mantra.
    And a rollback is impossible, because the people, sensing their strength, will sit on the head of power and the CAM will begin to refuel in the country.
    Question: Does the people need such power?
    Will the upcoming elections turn out to be an indicator of the mood of the people or will everyone once again falsify 76% in the limit ???
    1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 14: 54 New
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      Quote: U-58
      It seems to me that the whole range of consequences is a state secret.

      you do not have pensioners friends ???? ask is not an option ??? Let's say my mother’s added almost 1 thousand every year !!! request
      1. U-58 6 May 2020 14: 59 New
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        I have “familiar” pensioners.
        This is my wife and myself))))
        The retired wife finished up to 60 years.
        I would work further, but care for the granddaughter is necessary.
        I’ve come out with a ponytail for a year. I work.
        Worked until April 30. Right now in neurology with a micro stroke.
        Something like this.
        1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 16: 13 New
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          Quote: U-58
          I have “familiar” pensioners.
          This is my wife and myself))))
          The retired wife finished up to 60 years.
          I would work further, but care for the granddaughter is necessary.
          I’ve come out with a ponytail for a year. I work.
          Worked until April 30. Right now in neurology with a micro stroke.
          Something like this.

          Well then, each with his own ... I described my "situation" to you ... to believe or not - it's your business !! request wassat
      2. Mambius 6 May 2020 16: 29 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        you do not have pensioners friends ???? ask is not an option ??? Let's say my mother’s added almost 1 thousand every year !!!

        My mother also doesn’t go hungry and eats quite .. What kind of howl is on the net .. Just to poke?
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          Quote: Mambius
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          you do not have pensioners friends ???? ask is not an option ??? Let's say my mother’s added almost 1 thousand every year !!!

          My mother also doesn’t go hungry and eats quite .. What kind of howl is on the net .. Just to poke?

          Is this the first time you are on this resource ?? !!! what wassat
      3. sabakina 6 May 2020 20: 03 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        you do not have pensioners friends ???? ask is not an option ??? Let's say my mother’s added almost 1 thousand every year !!! request
        My mom is 76 years old. What is the increase in tysh? On the contrary, it complains that it receives less each month. Should I believe you or my mother?
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          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          you do not have pensioners friends ???? ask is not an option ??? Let's say my mother’s added almost 1 thousand every year !!! request
          My mom is 76 years old. What is the increase in tysh? On the contrary, it complains that it receives less each month. Should I believe you or my mother?

          whoever you want, believe that ??? !!!
      4. Oleg Skvortsov 7 May 2020 11: 37 New
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        Greek. do you add a thousand to her from your pocket? shine how you breathe
        1. Nikolai Grek 8 May 2020 04: 06 New
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          Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
          Greek. do you add a thousand to her from your pocket? shine how you breathe

          go past .... it’s rude to ban unwanted people here !!! negative
      5. AMB
        AMB 9 May 2020 19: 58 New
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        why so shamelessly mislead.
        1. Nikolai Grek 9 May 2020 21: 15 New
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          Quote: AMB
          why so shamelessly mislead.

          I don’t know why they do this !!!! request
  • tochila 6 May 2020 14: 47 New
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    I don’t vote for Putin anymore !!! And for EdRo I never signed up at all !!! No matter how they were called before !!! The old people are stolen money !!!! Ugh for them !!!!
    1. U-58 6 May 2020 14: 56 New
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      Better late, but to see clearly ...
  • WayKheThuo 6 May 2020 14: 51 New
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    What kind of correct, humane, high-quality and fair pension system can be developed if its authors are completely divorced from the people?
    Not one, I emphasize, not a single person participating in the development of this reform, and even more so, having signed it, will not live on a pension of 15 rubles (https://rns.online/economy/Glava-PFR-nazval -razmer-srednei-pensii-v-Rossii-495-2019-11 /).
    Their pension will be many, if not an order of magnitude higher.
    Therefore, the only way to at least somehow improve the quality and fairness of the measures taken is to lower the authorities to sinful land.
    Let their children go to an ordinary school, and they themselves - to a typical district clinic. Let them go to work in public transport, and around the country with ordinary trains and airplanes. And so to the level of at least the first deputy ministers.
    Then the laws will become more or less useful, fair and vital.
    I think so.
    1. U-58 6 May 2020 15: 03 New
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      You are not the only one to think so.
      But .... you write: let them .., let their children ...
      But at the same time, the life of pensioners will not change.
      Therefore, let us wish: Let them not be in power!
      1. WayKheThuo 6 May 2020 15: 34 New
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        Therefore, let us wish: Let them not be in power!

        It's not about personalities; it's about the system. Not even so in the System.
        If they do not, then others will pass away, the same ones, and maybe worse.
        It is necessary to change the system of state administration, the system of selection and placement of personnel, the system of remuneration for government officials, especially senior managers, so that they will be rewarded according to the result of their labors.
        Who will do this and how? This is a question. Obviously, today's opposition is not capable of this because of its ideological impotence and low level of socio-political responsibility.
        Personally, I bet on the young. Not a dozen talented and lucky - they are from the country "felled" for the cordon. Not for the children of the country's leaders - they do not need anything because they were born with a golden spoon in their mouth. No. I bet on ordinary guys and girls who, without special talents, just want to live in their own country.
        And I really hope that their time will pass and another time will come - the Time of the Creators.
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      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
      Let their children go to an ordinary school, and they themselves - to a typical district clinic. Let them go to work in public transport, and around the country with ordinary trains and airplanes. And so to the level of at least the first deputy ministers.
      Then the laws will become more or less useful, fair and vital.

      So not then they burst into power!
  • Galleon 6 May 2020 15: 10 New
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    The negative consequence of this reform is the following: the money stolen from me and the years bursting with the wealth of my friends and I will not forget or forgive.
  • rotkiv04 6 May 2020 15: 54 New
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    Everything is done on the recommendation of Western curators and the IMF, Putin submits to them
  • Red Alert 6 May 2020 16: 16 New
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    Quote: Freedom of the Word
    You criticize, offer better. No critic has proposed a solution to the progressive budget deficit of the pension system. Does anyone have sound, meaningful suggestions?

    Yes, but you won’t like it.
    1. The Word of the Word 9 May 2020 11: 07 New
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      What difference will I like or not. Suggest!
  • Lekz 6 May 2020 16: 17 New
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    Far from indisputable considerations. In my opinion there should be a reasonable "middle" between I want to work, I want to - no, but let the state contain me, and the state owes nothing to anyone. You can pay a pension even after 30 years, but the state does not have such opportunities. What was proposed is consistent with the capabilities of the state. The story about “I paid in the FIU” was not saved up for myself, but for my descendants. And the savings intended for us ended (to put it mildly) in the 90s. They are now somewhere in London and in Miami.
    There is a consideration that in order to live in Germany, you need to work in Germany. And retire as in Germany. And that not everyone manages to use a well-deserved pension for a long time, you need to monitor your health. Not from under the stick, but like that for a loved one.
    1. Nikolai Grek 6 May 2020 16: 28 New
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      There is a consideration that in order to live in Germany, you need to work in Germany. And retire as in Germany.

      there are considerations that their entire allegedly curly pension is a simple buildup of the country's debt !! request
    2. ALARI 7 May 2020 10: 29 New
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      Change the record, don’t say that in our country all the idlers who start the day with a glass and finish it. If so, then you are one of them too.
      1. Lekz 7 May 2020 11: 42 New
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        I did not claim to be different. The same lazy. This despite the fact that I am twice a veteran. But I know that I did not do much in life in full force, and this knowledge makes my life easier. But there are people who believe that others are to blame for their troubles - neighbors, Putin, Sechin, the State Duma, the State Department ... and, in general, the world is not fair to them. It’s hard for them. They are experiencing, striving to change the world, instead of changing themselves, just go and do something useful. For yourself. You would not look so hard.
        1. ALARI 7 May 2020 11: 54 New
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          I'm not saying that Putin, Sechin, the State Duma, the State Department ... and, in general, are to blame for the lives of people. But all these people and organizations are, and we must be very naive, considering that they do not have any effect on our lives. Changing yourself is good advice, but it just happens, the rules of life change faster than you can change. As for the useful things to do for themselves, altruists became extinct in the 90s, cynical pragmatists remained, and if they do something, then only for themselves.
  • Brigadier 6 May 2020 18: 58 New
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    Those who voted for Putin in 2018 already understand that they did a lot of hate then ... oh ... they love Putin very much for his pension lawlessness and the opportunity to die from old age, just before receiving his very first Putin pension thereby showing the “state" its devotion to the great ideas of Putinism!

    In the end, the state needs money.
    He needs to master “nano-technologies” and for years “create” Chinese notebooks ... laughing

    PS I myself voted for Grudinin!
  • faterdom 6 May 2020 19: 01 New
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    Quote: Whirlwind
    Was the defeat of the USSR in the ХV 1945-1991 with the USA and the West? It was !

    The defeat of the USSR was not caused by the USA and the West.
    And Gorbachev, Sobchak, Yeltsin and the "elite". By virtue of his stupidity and greed.
    And what's the conclusion?
    That's right: it is not the USA-NATO, China or someone else who can defeat Russia. Only full name and the "elite."
    And this full name it is necessary to decide - he wants to be part of the destroyers of Russia, but "with the elitists", or all this resolutely stop, and the "elitists" in the stall!
    Or at a meat factory, who bacon and jamon walked up.
  • Pavel57 6 May 2020 19: 29 New
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    Who cares?

    The difference where and how we can come is not yet clear. If the barricades, then this does not suit me.
  • Pavel57 6 May 2020 19: 31 New
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    Quote: rotkiv04
    Everything is done on the recommendation of Western curators and the IMF, Putin submits to them

    Putin is forced to reckon with the vassal state of finance. But he did not create this system.
  • Yuri Yatsenko 6 May 2020 19: 56 New
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    I DO NOT BELIEVE either the government or the president!
    I would understand the position of this well-fed bureaucrat-government-deputy fraternity if the pension and salary of a working pensioner would in total exceed the average salary level. At least for this category, the ban on indexation was lifted. No! This policy of the state is supported by all power structures! Just the other day, Petersburg deputy Oksana Dmitrieva has developed a bill to index pensions for working retirees! Notice, neither in the State Duma, nor in the Government did this! Although it was they who passed the law, according to which they do not pay indexation to working pensioners.
    In our province, for 49 years of work experience, I get 12202 rubles of pension, from my wife 9300. Count how many for two! I have to work. At the same time, I have two higher educations. This is because the salary in Soviet times was good, but the law adopted by the so-called “servants of the people” does not take into account the Soviet work experience and salaries, then my salary was several times higher than the national average, and the so-called servants of the people robbed this people, having leveled the current pensions to the level of poverty. With a coefficient of 2,96, which I was calculated by the FIU, I assigned a pension at a coefficient of 1,2. This is the law the president signed. Therefore, when the government and officials rant about the care of retirees, this is only “talk” in favor of the poor.
  • Aleksandr Suvorov 6 May 2020 19: 58 New
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    Pension reform is a management failure!
  • pereselenec 6 May 2020 20: 16 New
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    Senior citizen, help Putin!
  • the Saint 6 May 2020 20: 26 New
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    If I’m not mistaken, the pensioners who wore epaulettes did not change their retirement dates and the size of their pensions did not change, along with the procedure for providing free apartments, for a number of well-known reasons.
    Therefore, the discussion of civil pensions at this forum is non-core and annoyingly immoral.
    1. Altona 6 May 2020 20: 47 New
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      Quote: el Santo
      Therefore, the discussion of civil pensions at this forum is non-core and annoyingly immoral.

      -------------------------
      At what plan? My second cousin has been retired for 12 years (he left the Ministry of Justice), being only a year older than me. And I’m still retired for 14 years, being in civil work. Is it fair to have such a bias in the requirements for seniority?
      1. the Saint 7 May 2020 14: 04 New
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        It would be fair to add five years to all, and not just civilians. And even that would be relative justice.
        1. Hypatius 7 May 2020 21: 21 New
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          It would be fair to separate from the FIU, PF for civil servants. As well as any disabled children. Pension should be called the amount paid from the budget. And the Fund must pay those who filled it (here it would be a different term to use, instead of a pension). And now, some take off there for 20 years, others 40-50, and others nothing at all. But they get as much as the official would have thought. And then, without any budget transfers, employee pensions will grow 2-3 times, IMHO. I’ve been working for 25-30 years and you can get it, well, I got carried away. This is the next step.
          PS Matkapital is still unclear from which side. I think only because of him is there a so-called deficit of PF. It is clear that the budget pays, but propaganda yells that money goes from the "holy" budget to the "useless" PF.
    2. Vladimirsky 6 May 2020 21: 24 New
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      and you probably do not know about the second pension? study the topic - how much has changed the requirements for its receipt.
      1. the Saint 7 May 2020 14: 05 New
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        third and fourth pensions do not want? I am sure that I would like, like not one free apartment, but three or four.
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          shut up, you will marry a smart one. Bandera unfinished.
    3. Nehist 6 May 2020 21: 36 New
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      I can please you, since I am 25 years old I am going to experiment with the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Extend the length of service for retirement. Eliminate departmental clinics and much more. I just don’t know what the authorities decide to do after KOVID, it’s not known. There are such plans
      1. the Saint 7 May 2020 14: 07 New
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        Gathering does not mean getting married. And why only from the 25th, and not from the 19th, as the rest of the citizens of Russia did the second grade?
        1. The popuas 8 May 2020 00: 04 New
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          This type of vote for zero and he will show them lol
      2. The popuas 8 May 2020 00: 03 New
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        And why not since 23 years, do not tell wink
  • Doliva63 6 May 2020 21: 01 New
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    I hope a revolution awaits us. Otherwise, they themselves will die out and the country will be completely destroyed.
  • O. Bender 6 May 2020 21: 15 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But I didn’t see this, so that a sane person who does not suffer from dementia and is not an alcoholic rummaged in search of food. Is that homeless.

    I personally saw how carts with delays, mainly confectionery and milk, were taken out at the cargo entrance. Ten elderly women and men (there were two of them) were sorted into packages because the driver had not taken it from the garbage truck and two loaders from the same garbage truck. Gulliver works in the Volga region. In addition, a large shopping and entertainment center in the city center, five hundred meters from the administration, has the same picture every three to four days. Mostly elderly women, with containers, are collecting delays. Men are few, apparently still not There are three homeless people, they are constant and relatively young, there are no strangers. Here it is.
    1. tunes 7 May 2020 06: 14 New
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      Yesterday, literally at Magnit, he saw a similar picture in his homeland in Siberia.
    2. the Saint 7 May 2020 14: 10 New
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      But retirees - neither young nor old - you will not find among that contingent.
  • Vladimirsky 6 May 2020 21: 22 New
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    The powerful loot was cut down, taking 1-1,5 million rubles from future pensioners. Now there is something to cut. My colleague in the service managed to apply for a pension - he will receive an extra 1391 rubles (unlike me). It’s not that I envy him - it dawned on me for whom to vote (or rather, not).
  • adler87 6 May 2020 23: 47 New
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    So the retirement age was not raised so that there were more pensions. This is a fairy tale for fools. Raised to pay less pensions. And this was done not in the interests of the people, pensioners, but in the interests of the state. And these are completely different, in terms of goals and objectives, organizational arrangements.
  • Pavel123 7 May 2020 03: 17 New
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    https://youtu.be/n4W8vRGjt3o?list=RDCMUC_WeZqr3qr0PS_Gn3jFhyKA

    https://youtu.be/V3iaaeTkots?list=RDCMUC_WeZqr3qr0PS_Gn3jFhyKA

    About the USA. Emigrant.
  • tunes 7 May 2020 06: 12 New
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    The problems of the Sheriff Indians are not e ... t, in the sense they do not care. The sheriff is America, who did not understand. And we have a colonial administration, recruited from the locals who were allowed to buy apartments with villas in Manhattan and in Italy
  • tunes 7 May 2020 06: 17 New
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    It recalls 1917, when even the army did not rise to protect the tsarist police. brought ....
  • hhhhhhh 7 May 2020 07: 58 New
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    Pension accomplices of the collapse of the USSR, i.e. we are not supposed to. You can already come to terms.
    Those who served give out over the years of service. Who fought as expected. For the birth of children, too, take out a pension and put it down.
    The rest for what? For salary in envelopes? For "I didn’t know, I didn’t know," what are they doing around them? Everyone got their share from the collapse of the USSR, enough.
    To demand a pension is a continuation of the collapse of Russia.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov 7 May 2020 11: 31 New
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      Kozma. Can you recognize your assets from the sack of the USSR and Russia?
      1. hhhhhhh 7 May 2020 12: 44 New
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        Apartment, cars, real estate, foreign trips.
        The main thing we gave to the delay of the end of capitalism, the end of capitalism we are now witnessing.
    2. Hypatius 7 May 2020 21: 36 New
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      Everyone got their share from the collapse of the USSR, enough.
      You are wrong. There should have been personal accounts, this time. Not everything was divided, but a small part. Subsoil, forest, land divided ?. Those. We were not fully denationalized, but they brazenly lie that our state is now a raider with false documents and constitutions. And we, no longer citizens (shareholders of the state), but plebeians, migrants and individuals. But, this is a lie.
      1. hhhhhhh 7 May 2020 21: 41 New
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        If we are not citizens, we are not entitled to a pension.))))
        1. Hypatius 10 May 2020 08: 59 New
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          If we are not citizens, we are not entitled to a pension.))))
          Well, isn’t it really so? We have old-age insurance, and it is extremely disadvantageous for us. A pension from the budget should be for people with disabilities, veterans, order bearers, marginals, gypsies ... And not from my (our) old age insurance fund.
          1. hhhhhhh 10 May 2020 09: 37 New
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            How do you prove that you are not a gypsy, a Jew or a commissar?
            (For moderators, sarcasm, about "Pension from the budget should be for people with disabilities, veterans, order bearers, marginals, Gypsies ... And not from my (our) old age insurance fund")
            1. Hypatius 10 May 2020 09: 51 New
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              Duc deductions from the salary, zhezh. They introduced the Snuls, but the labor did not cancel good . Why sarcasm? recourse Well, about the fact that the pension, and the fact that the majority receives, calling "pension", are two different things. So, I called it "old age insurance." Is the term better? Share it.
              1. hhhhhhh 10 May 2020 10: 22 New
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                This is not sarcasm, but an accusation of racism and an attempt to review the results of the Second World War.
                Veterans earned a pension. Our generation is not. It’s a criminal offense for our generation to even open their mouths about retirement. He did not serve in the army, there are no children - there is no pension. Military industry is equated with service.
                Pension only for the birth of children and military service.
                1. Hypatius 10 May 2020 10: 45 New
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                  This is not sarcasm, but an accusation of racism and an attempt to review the results of the Second World War.
                  Why such deep fantasies ?! Nah yes. Well, I'll try again. Pensions should be paid to veterans (invalids ...) by the state, is it social (or not already, after the amendments?). The FIU is essentially an insurance company (not a state, not a budget), existing at the expense of insurance fees from salaries of workers. Here they are, the insured and must receive payments in proportion to the contribution, upon reaching a certain age, and preferably length of service. As an example, a veteran with experience receives both from the state and from the PF. Z. S. Do you personally agree to share your hard-earned money for old age with a gypsy or two who have not contributed a ruble to the insurance. Here let him, the state gives a social wiser, but to us - ours. Or what? - down with justice, you give demagogy with accusations. Z. Z. Y. If, again, it is not clear, then I wash my hands.
                  1. hhhhhhh 10 May 2020 12: 18 New
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                    Z. Z. Y. If, again, it is not clear, then I wash my hands
                    You are talking nonsense scoop. "To receive as if under capitalism (as you understand capitalism), and to work as if under a scoop (drink tea from morning till evening." "Everyone owes you everything - you owe nothing to anyone."
                    "but to us - ours." - how much of your money in the PF remained after 1998, after 2008, 2013 and after 2020
                    How much is your money in PF?
                    1. Hypatius 10 May 2020 17: 43 New
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                      You are talking nonsense scoop. "To receive as if under capitalism (as you understand capitalism), and to work as if under a scoop (drink tea from morning till evening." "Everyone owes you everything - you owe nothing to anyone."
                      "but to us - ours." - how much of your money in the PF remained after 1998, after 2008, 2013 and after 2020
                      How much is your money in PF?
                      At all, the Kremlin’s staff is tight, they don’t even know how to read, and this understanding is generally beyond. Maybe you’ll understand: Hey, an alternatively gifted liberal (an accomplice of a thief?), How I work and how much I earn is not a topic at all. But, I pay my ₽ to the PF insurance company, and if Putin’s buddies steal my money, then they should be leaned against the wall. The bunker mode is left a little, and the money will be found, it is only for your thieves to present a bloodied ice ax in the chamber.
                      1. hhhhhhh 10 May 2020 18: 09 New
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                        Old scoops do not know how to think, they have in their head a scoop picture of the world.
                        The money that you paid from the salary in the PF has long turned into zeros. "Everything is stolen before you ..." ("Operation Y ...").
                        Tight at the old scoops with an understanding of the structure of the World.
                        The world is not built as you and I were told when the Soviet Union collapsed with our tacit consent.
                        NO YOUR MONEY IN PF. They ate inflation for a long time.
                2. Hypatius 10 May 2020 10: 47 New
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                  Pension only for the birth of children and military service.
                  22% of the salary, whom do you propose to present? Or you need to die behind the machine.
                  1. hhhhhhh 10 May 2020 12: 13 New
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                    22% of the salary, whom do you propose to present? Or you need to die behind the machine.
                    Didn’t Chubais say that he would die.
  • In a d and m 7 May 2020 08: 10 New
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    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
    Thank you, dear author!
    Here
    only the question of what kind of entity in power with superalloy rigidity is pushing the root breaking of all supporting structures of the reproduction of the people: the education system, health care, science, the pension system ?!
    Why did they start reforming Moscow State University?
    Why didn’t the best university of the country please?
    Or prv was Mikhalkov, citing the famous politician "Google must break the spire of Moscow State University" ?!
    So who breaks ???!
  • EvilLion 7 May 2020 08: 46 New
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    And let's make a retirement age from 50 years, and preferably from 40, and we’ll all go happy. Mat. benefits arise by themselves.
    1. the Saint 7 May 2020 14: 14 New
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      Better from the age of 37. 20 years of experience or length of service since 17 years and a pension, as it is now with millions who are more equal than others.
      1. EvilLion 7 May 2020 15: 08 New
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        And can you say something other than “take and share”?
  • EvilLion 7 May 2020 08: 47 New
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    There are no children who want to give birth, but someone should be supported on retirement. 40-year-old children, damn it.