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As a ban on propaganda of child pornography and drug making, they are trying to connect with restriction of freedom of speech in Russia

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11 July passed amendments to the Federal Law "On protecting children from information harmful to their health and development" The State Duma of the Russian Federation, exactly one week later, the amendments were approved by the Federation Council, and now the president has signed the final version of the new document.

As a ban on propaganda of child pornography and drug making, they are trying to connect with restriction of freedom of speech in Russia


The document even before its signing by Vladimir Putin caused heated debates, especially in the Runet spaces. However, many individuals who criticized the amendments were not, in fact, familiar with the amendments themselves. Therefore, the protest, which was expressed in the suspension of some sites some time ago (a protest of the Russian-language Wikipedia, Vkontakte and a number of other sites), can be considered a “blind demarche” when no one knew the “enemy” in person, but already allowed to paint a picture of the information apocalypse .

And now, strictly speaking, about the essence of those legal metamorphoses that occurred with Federal Law No. 436, the initial version of which was adopted as early as 2010.

The essence of the amendments to the №436 - ФЗ "On the protection of children from information harmful to their health and development" is as follows: the first article of the Federal Law has undergone a series of changes concerning the regulations for the display of a media product. In particular, the designation of information products for people of different ages is regulated. So, for example, a media product that is designed for children under the age of 6 will be necessarily marked with a zero and a minus sign. TV shows and Internet content for children aged 6 to 12 years, the publishing party will be required to mark either the number "6" and a plus sign. In addition, you can use the phrase: "for children older than 6 years." However, if you use this phrase, you may get the impression that the content is also suitable for an 16-year-old teenager ...

An information product for those children who have reached the 12 age line, the marking will be: "12 +".
And, accordingly, information of this or that plan for children who have reached the age of 16 years, the marker will look like “16 +” or alternatively from the Soviet past: “for children older than 16 years”.

If media products for children are not intended at all, then they should be labeled as "18 +" or the phrase "prohibited for children."

All specified markings, according to the new rules, must occupy at least 5% of the page (screen size) provided for the material.

New amendments contain information about who will conduct an examination of a media product, whether it be in the media, articles on the Internet, TV shows or movies. Obviously, the very experts on whom such a task is imposed expects a truly titanic work, because tracking the content of a gigantic information flow on television, in print media and on the Internet is, frankly, a tremendous work.

One of the most discussed sets of amendments to 436-th Federal Law was the so-called “black list of sites”. It is planned that the activities of those Internet sites on which prohibited materials are published will be subject to significant restrictions. In this regard, it is worthwhile to list the rules by which materials will be sorted into prohibited and non-prohibited.

1. In particular, if the site contains materials with pornographic images of persons who have not attained 18 years, or calls to engage in pornographic activities that are addressed to minors, then such materials are declared prohibited.
2. If information about how to manufacture and use various narcotic substances, precursors and psychotropic drugs is published on a certain site, as well as about where are the places of cultivation of narcotic plants with descriptions of cultivation methods, then such materials are also considered prohibited.
3. Materials in which it is a question of calls for suicide, methods of committing suicide, are also classified as prohibited.


Here, let's say, three whales, the presence of which caused the most fierce debate on the Internet. Opponents of such amendments to the Federal Law X-Numx hurried to declare that this desire of the authorities to somehow curtail freedom of speech in Russia, put pressure on the RuNet and stuff like that.
Yes, undoubtedly, some questions to the authors of the amendments still arise, but the ban on the demonstration of sexual intercourse with the participation of minors, the ban on publishing data on the rules of using certain drugs with the infringement of the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens cannot be linked. If for someone it is such information that is associated with personal freedom and general freedom of speech in the country, then it is, excuse me, more like a disease, rather than attempts to defend their interests. After all, it’s pointless to argue with the fact that Runet today has a rather impressive cluster that aims to make a profit on providing information to children and adolescents of a very dubious nature. A business on the very prohibited information in RuNet lives and thrives, bringing serious profits to those who organized this business.

And today, more than others, it is those who are not ready to give up their usual earnings, based on the prohibited content indicated above, who state that the amendments to FZ-436 are wrong. Certainly, in this case, it is politically more advantageous to declare our indignation by associating it with restricting freedom of speech in Russia, arranging strange demarches with disabling websites, rather than saying openly that we are against the closure of our anti-law business on the Internet.

One of those resources that expressed its apparent disapproval of the new amendments to the law was LiveJournal. This megapopular project decided to turn off its work for a day in protest about the position of the Russian authorities. However, those who own this service, for some reason did not dare to openly admit that the livejournal contains tens of thousands of pages that not only promote drugs, but also call upon young people to “distract” from the complexities of the real world with their help. Unfortunately, in my material I cannot provide links to the specified materials (which, by the way, are not deleted today), since this can be interpreted not as a confirmation of the above words, but as advertising of prohibited content. Although it’s not necessary to give these links in the article, because such a search system as Yandex when entering, for example, the phrase “Instructions for the production of drugs” gives 3 as many million links found ... The Google search system when typing in the search bar the phrase “ Child pornography offers to view more than 245 of thousands of countries with relevant content, many of which lead to the popular social network Vkontakte in Russia. These figures explain why, for example, it was the owners of Vkontakte, one of whom (Mr. Durov) had fun not so long ago, launching airplanes from 5000-ruble bills from the office window, decided to protest against the amendments to the Federal Law. After all, if the examination reveals that the groups dedicated to child prostitution, drug-making, suicide clubs and other materials of “free Russia” have remained unclosed, then Pavel Durov can already launch his origami from quite different windows.

That is why we hear the heart-rending cries about the infringement of freedom of speech, the funeral of civil society, the blocking of oxygen for opposition movements. But it must be remembered that those who shout the loudest “Fire!” Usually are the arsonists ...
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  1. Vadivak
    Vadivak 31 July 2012 08: 23
    +30
    And what porn can’t be covered at all? well, or for the sufferers to make paid
    1. Atia
      Atia 31 July 2012 08: 52
      +25
      Quote: Vadivak
      that porn can’t be covered at all

      If you cover her darling, she will turn into eroticism! And where the line between them does not even know the State Duma.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 09: 00
        +16
        Quote: Atia
        And where the line between them does not even know the State Duma

        Looks like deputies without a striptease and cool video with naked beauties can no longer live. For many years now they cannot come to a consensus on how erotica differs from porn. Probably for them it is one and the same.
        1. red 015
          red 015 31 July 2012 12: 34
          +15
          yes, because half of the deputies themselves are perverts and pidafilyugs, and they also deal with drugs
        2. Ilyich
          Ilyich 1 August 2012 16: 33
          0
          Once I met this definition: "Erotica is when you like it. And pornography is when you want it." More precisely, perhaps, there is no definition laughing
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 31 July 2012 09: 34
        +12
        Cancel sex as in the USSR. There was no porn, no eroticism, no sex, and the children were born and were not afraid to go to the site.

        I, too, will now buy a cheap camera for myself and go to shoot a highly artistic movie in the style of Monica pah geigermanic and mow the loot for my bright future.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 09: 37
          +8
          Sanya, will you share? I already found the actress, only she has a drunken fairy, for the beginning of the director’s career, that’s it. And on the gay role, there is one on the site.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 31 July 2012 10: 07
            +13
            I won’t take it, you’ll start giving advice again, and we’ll spend more on advertising than we will see our bullshit, and again we’ll worry about proving that we shot an intellectual movie.

            Sanya, I myself will not get into this crap. To watch a film about bright human feelings as in the good old days, it can let out a stingy male tear of empathy, you want to join something kind and bright. our life so one continuous das is fantastic, I am still life.
            even children from the cradle see on the television either pink boys or hubby girls (cartoons), I am generally silent for Hollywood. filmed a comedy about the fate of an unhappy gay man who is unlucky in life in love. - open propaganda and nothing.
            1. Armata
              Armata 31 July 2012 10: 48
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Sanya, will you share?

              Quote: vorobey
              intellectual cinema

              So again, without me, the loot began to earn. And who will monitor the health of the equipment? If your camera breaks, do not even come near me tongue
              Quote: vorobey
              even children from the cradle see on the television either pink boys or hubby girls (cartoons), I am generally silent for Hollywood. filmed a comedy about the fate of an unhappy gay man who is unlucky in life in love. - open propaganda and nothing.

              Hi Sasha. Ours do not take off better. Watch the same films with Pasha will pah spit hunting.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 31 July 2012 11: 01
                +7
                Hi Zhenya. I'm probably old fashioned. I rarely watch modern cinema only on recommendations. I recently watched with pleasure 5 Centuria, the series zententau. I'm like censorship. First, we look with my wife, and then either in a free rental or in the trash.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 11: 12
                  +11
                  Quote: vorobey
                  I'm like censorship. First, we look with my wife, and then either in a free rental or in the trash

                  Sasha, with modern film art, the trash will fill up in 15 minutes. 99% of the masterpieces are open garbage. Old cinema doesn’t count.
                  1. Azzzwer
                    Azzzwer 31 July 2012 16: 51
                    +3
                    with modern film art the trash will fill up in 15 minutes
                    smile
                    1. pu
                      pu 31 July 2012 18: 54
                      +4
                      Quote: Azzzwer

                      with modern film art the trash will fill up in 15 minutes

                      This is not cinema art - this is already a trash! There’s nothing to see, and so it’s clear, according to the announcements!
                2. Armata
                  Armata 31 July 2012 11: 36
                  +6
                  Quote: vorobey

                  Hi Zhenya. I'm probably old fashioned

                  So I, too, apparently "Not in trend" (as now my neighbor loves to say)
                  Quote: vorobey
                  I'm like censorship.

                  I can not. All day at work, and my boob is alone at home unattended. Surely sitting in front of the telly, as his wife is in the hospital.
                3. SlavaP
                  SlavaP 1 August 2012 23: 29
                  0
                  Ha, and in general my wife first looks and decides whether it is worth loading my sensitive nature ...
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 11: 03
                +7
                Sparrow himself decided to get one Oscar, gets rid of competitors. And he decided to save money, he’ll pick up and remove the love saga. About the love of a Tajik gastro-baiter to his compatriot laughing
                1. dreamer
                  dreamer 31 July 2012 11: 10
                  +9
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  About the love of a Tajik gastro-baiter to his compatriot

                  "Broken Steppe"? laughing Filming will end at a gala banquet to mark the launch of the film. The sparrow will take it on his chest, then weights will come across his eyes, then he will start chasing actors and crew members across the steppe .... The next morning the equipment will be sold to perform the sacred ritual for every Russian person "hungover" laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 11: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: dreamer
                    Humpbacked steppe "

                    Alexey hi, this is a set-off wassat
                    1. dreamer
                      dreamer 31 July 2012 11: 28
                      +10
                      Alexander Romanov, Sash tell Sparrow that modern trends in the development of democracy and liberalism require the obligatory introduction of a sheep or a camel into the plot as a component of the "love triangle". Otherwise, no international festival will even accept the film. laughing
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 13: 15
                        +5
                        No problem. The scenario is an American gay soldier falling in love with his co-worker. And everything develops for them, as they say, “council yes love” BUT. Suddenly, on one of the shifts, John sees an Afghan leading a donkey on a leash. The Afghan man was handsome, but John did not pay any attention to him, he could not take his eyes off the ass. It was like lightning, like an arrow — it was her LOVE! True, only love, a true American soldier named John. Ishak also drew attention to the young Texan, his eyes crossed, the donkey realized-today, something will happen, but he could not even guess what! END OF FIRST SERIES, continued love
                      2. REPA1963
                        REPA1963 31 July 2012 21: 50
                        0
                        When the continuation will be, we are waiting ...
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 31 July 2012 11: 21
                  +8
                  As in the joke, Nain opa (on a), Opa, opa (on o). Aved for such crap is easier and cheaper to take an Oscar than for cranes flying.

                  If I take an Oscar, then all of your rotten tomatoes on my physics will be regarded not as a fight against porn. but as black envy.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 11: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Aved for such crap is easier and cheaper to take an Oscar than for cranes flying

                    Of course you won’t take it, it will be removed and banned, the problems of same-sex love are not reflected in this film. It is definitely not democratic and cannot be shown even to children. An example of a guest from the future.
                  2. dreamer
                    dreamer 31 July 2012 11: 31
                    +8
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Aved for such crap is easier and cheaper to take an Oscar than for cranes flying.

                    It is necessary to remove the remake of "The Sparrows Are Flying" laughing Or "The Sparrow flew in and the crane flew in" wassat Options are available wink
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 31 July 2012 12: 27
                      +4
                      And I have a script

                      Crowned crow and sparrow are sitting on a branch.
                      Sparrow pointing finger to nowhere:
                      - Ta-aa-aa-mmm !!!
                      The raven fell off the branch and flew in the direction indicated :)
                      After a couple of minutes, he returns and says:
                      - Where ?!
                      Sparrow:
                      - Who?!?
          2. Odessa
            Odessa 31 July 2012 13: 28
            +8
            Alexander Romanov,
            Now I will beat off the whole hunt, to `` high art. '' With this artistic collective, you will reckon with swill laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 31 July 2012 14: 04
              +5
              Well, based on the fact that the whole trinity lit up on the Internet, all three became stars. Only two threw loot on silicone, and the other loot swelled. And in the end, there was no difference. So this is the secret of female beauty. crying All the same, the Lord was creating a woman, something else.
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 31 July 2012 14: 12
                +2
                Alexander Romanov,
                All the same, the Lord was creating a woman, something else.

                You just can not please laughing
                1. Docker76
                  Docker76 31 July 2012 17: 29
                  0
                  good good good
                  .... really, there are such ..?
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 9 August 2012 00: 42
                  -1
                  from 1:25 to 1:54 it is very familiar)))
                  thanks for the clip Esther))
        2. Atia
          Atia 31 July 2012 09: 53
          +17
          Quote: vorobey
          children were born and were not afraid to go to the site.

          Children in the USSR were born from love, and not just from sex!
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 31 July 2012 10: 15
            +7
            Quote: Atia
            from love, not just from sex!

            admit stupidity guilty.
          2. Eugene
            Eugene 31 July 2012 11: 02
            -4
            or 50 or 65 million abortions from the 60s to the collapse, also out of love?) Remove the pink glasses.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 31 July 2012 12: 19
              +9
              Quote: Eugene
              or 50 or 65 million abortions from the 60s to the collapse, also out of love?) Remove the pink glasses.

              And this is already from culture, then we began to join the high ideals of hippies, punks, rock began to master, we lost the sexual revolution.
              1. wasjasibirjac
                wasjasibirjac 31 July 2012 18: 13
                0
                those. over 30 years, approximately 60 million abortions. this means 2-2,5 million abortions per year for a population of 250 million. people It’s just interesting - in the RF at present there are SO MUCH more
        3. mikula
          mikula 31 July 2012 12: 46
          +3
          vorobey - Cancel sex as in the USSR. No porn, no erotica, no sex.

          Why trifle. In the USSR there was no Internet - which means you need to cancel it to a single hair dryer. How many pluses at once: backgammon will receive only true information through radio newspapers and TV. The State Department and the fifth calon will be deprived of the opportunity to influence the brains of youth. Opponents of power and dissenters will not be able to coordinate their actions. And most importantly: this is the inability to influence all paysers on the fragile minds of Russians.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 31 July 2012 12: 58
            +3
            But this is an option ...
            1. mikula
              mikula 31 July 2012 13: 19
              +1
              Vorobey - but this is an option ...


              This is not an option - this is the only right decision. Every true Russian patriot should immediately abandon the use of this rubbish invented by the CIA and the imperial special services - created to destroy by decomposing the Russian people. I propose to organize the collection of signatures under petition V.V. PUTIN on the ban on the Internet in Russia.
              1. Ruff
                Ruff 31 July 2012 14: 41
                +8
                mikula,
                Then gossip go wild like a blizzard! And in comparison with Indian gossip, the Internet is babble! You need to know life! And life teaches, the more information, the less attention it pays, especially weak minds. The forbidden fruit is sweet only as long as it is banned or in short supply!
              2. REPA1963
                REPA1963 31 July 2012 21: 58
                -3
                And will you conduct the gathering on the net? Show an example, imagine there is no Internet, let's go ahead, no one will know if there was a boy, wake up where to glorify.
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 31 July 2012 13: 36
            +1
            that's it - "to the users".
      3. Big lexey
        Big lexey 31 July 2012 10: 16
        +9
        The line between pornography and erotica is rather arbitrary, but in general terms it can be described as follows:
        Erotica is when you look and like, and pornography is when you look and want. laughing
        1. Machaon
          Machaon 31 July 2012 10: 46
          +10
          Quote: BigLexey
          and pornography is when you watch and want to

          Nah .. Pornography is when you look and you don’t want anything, such filth, such bestiality ... Erotica is a completely different matter, everything is on associations, imagination boils, thinks out, completes, and thereby excites much more than watching mechanical -hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 31 July 2012 11: 04
            +2
            The simple line was earlier emnip, a certain size of the MPH relative to the diagonal of the screen in the frame. More is porn. I saw the plot on TV about 7 years ago, there the expert sat about 75 years old, he was engaged in the analysis of porn or erotica for licensing, his grandmother was very jealous)))
            1. Churchill
              Churchill 31 July 2012 12: 29
              +9
              Eugene,
              Here is the core; at first glance, we can determine whether this is eroticism or a guy, but we cannot formulate a law! feel feel feel
              1. wasjasibirjac
                wasjasibirjac 31 July 2012 18: 15
                0
                it can’t but our valiant deputies
          2. REPA1963
            REPA1963 31 July 2012 22: 00
            -4
            Do you contact a woman only in a missionary position?
        2. REPA1963
          REPA1963 31 July 2012 21: 59
          -3
          Brother 8 pluses ... !!!!
      4. volcano
        volcano 31 July 2012 11: 13
        +2
        Well, the line is defined for a long time.
        And it consists in the appearance of the genitals.
        Seen means porn
        Not visible, then eroticism.
        1. Darn
          Darn 31 July 2012 15: 16
          +3
          Hello Andrey.
          Seen means porn
          Not visible, then eroticism.

          Comrades, the Japanese circumvented this requirement, they cover the genitals with pixels, that is, blur. And then a miracle, there was a pornographic film, but it became erotic.
      5. lotus04
        lotus04 31 July 2012 11: 45
        +7
        Quote: Atia
        If you cover her darling, she will turn into eroticism! And where the line between them does not even know the State Duma.


        For some reason, the Union knew this line. And no one had problems with this. Particularly anxious find a way out for themselves. And they did not take this rubbish to the front pages, for discussion.
      6. Reddragon
        Reddragon 31 July 2012 17: 50
        +1
        Quote: Atia
        If you cover her darling, she will turn into eroticism! And where the line between them does not even know the State Duma.

        Another thing will be more interesting: who and how will disassemble 70% of the Internet on eroticism and porn? laughing
        1. pu
          pu 31 July 2012 19: 03
          +3
          Quote: RedDragoN
          who and how will analyze 70% of the Internet for erotica and porn

          Let's create a ministry of the erotic and porn section! And of all business, 2 million dividers will cut everything into a nut, including "good night kids".
          1. REPA1963
            REPA1963 31 July 2012 22: 03
            0
            And these 2 lyamas will work for good loot, well, how are government officials? Nihrenovo ..
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 31 July 2012 08: 57
      +16
      So, the problem is not in pornography itself, this phenomenon, as well as prostitution, cannot be eradicated. The problem is that youngsters actively engage in porn by actively playing on teenage weaknesses. And it’s one thing when this is a special site for inveterate masturbators, and another when this dirty trick is dumped into public social networks. Look at the two most popular of them, there is this good above the roof. And pornography containing pedophilia is a real crime for which it is necessary to plant for a long time. Howling dissatisfied owners of social networks and other resources who, with the adoption of these laws, will get money to comply with the law. but this, in my opinion, is not such a great evil, and these comrades will not be impoverished! I would send them in case of further replication of child porn on their sites to admire the views of the Arctic, evil should be punished.
      1. Darn
        Darn 31 July 2012 15: 53
        +4
        Hello Sergey
        I support. Somehow on the Internet I was looking for a boat. He led the words in the search engine, I follow the links. And suddenly a photo of two naked girls appeared. Well, I think, and they are how they were found. It turned out just a signature on the photo boat. For this, I’m somehow not at all imagining that my son will look on the Internet for any information, and there, crap will come out. And to the account
        social networks, you need to force Comrade Durov to close pages with child porn. He has no other choice.
        1. Yura
          Yura 31 July 2012 18: 36
          +6
          Quote: Here Damn
          It turned out just a signature on the photo boat.

          I am making a machine for the manufacture of wood concrete and foundation blocks (we are going to build a house for my son), I typed in a search engine "a vibrator of domestic production" looking for where it is cheaper and what they are generally, guys, and you should have seen what was out there. Here Damn agree with you.
          1. pu
            pu 31 July 2012 19: 05
            +5
            Quote: Jura
            , men-and-and you would see what popped up there.

            Type any word - and it will come out - the body!
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 July 2012 09: 00
      +3
      sergey69

      clear to the sufferers
    4. Odious
      Odious 31 July 2012 09: 41
      +12
      Gentlemen, you all consider this issue rather narrowly, without reference to our globalized world.
      Well, answer the question: "What kind of Russian pornography will amers watch with their 40% obese?"
      Lobsters of Russian porn overseas - it's obvious! yes
    5. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 31 July 2012 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: Vadivak
      for sufferers

      Killed with this word!)) +++
      And in fact these are the cries of traitors "freedom of speech, etc." There was already "glasnost" and "freedom of speech"; the result is clear, we do not want to repeat it. Let Putin sit, otherwise all sorts of bulk will come ... then tie your belts comrades!
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 July 2012 16: 54
      +3
      piston.k

      defender of pornography, well, the truth is, the process attracts me more than looking from the side, this is already the road to perversion
    7. wei
      wei 31 July 2012 20: 19
      +1
      in my childhood and without tyrnet porn, there were two cards (playing) with photos of naked girls of the brand from the series of galleries rubens and a pen locker
    8. Charon
      Charon 31 July 2012 21: 48
      +7
      Porn is already covered up. Viruses. Climbed up, picked up a flea like a dog and fuck with OSes and antivirus programs. Here you have erotica with pornography. Only without orgasm.
  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 31 July 2012 08: 26
    +15
    All right! The fight against child porn and other Chernukha should be. It’s worth looking at social networks, there are quite a few porn videos including children’s, and there’s a lot in the network that you don’t need to watch anyone except representatives of law enforcement agencies, and only to fix the evidence base on the fact of the crime. Whoever doesn’t like it, let them go wherever they can, child pornography, advertising drugs and other rubbish.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 31 July 2012 20: 21
      +4
      I fully support you Sergey.
  3. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 31 July 2012 08: 36
    +10
    No wonder they say that the hat is on the thief. Law enforcement agencies should organize an inspection of those who squealed the loudest against accepting these amendments
  4. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 31 July 2012 08: 47
    +4
    Lord, how many freaks are around!
    And it’s not clear what they need: to heal or to kill?
    If you start to kill - so with our corruption in law enforcement agencies so many innocents will suffer!
  5. Septugian
    Septugian 31 July 2012 08: 49
    +2
    The howl of idiots has begun a long time ago!
  6. pirat1966
    pirat1966 31 July 2012 08: 51
    +10
    So in one of the popular social networks, they even added the designation of same-sex marriages)) Gomosyatin was divorced, damn it. The correct law was adopted, it was high time. And for slander it was very timely, otherwise the "oppositionists" have already gotten rid of them - they have flooded everyone with mud, but there is zero evidence, only words. And now you have to answer for the words hi
  7. rinzhak
    rinzhak 31 July 2012 08: 56
    +5
    why are they talking only about child pornography, and is adult pornography allowed and encouraged?
  8. dmitreach
    dmitreach 31 July 2012 09: 02
    +2
    Whether the lawyers are doing well, is it bad ...., but everyone has forgotten the 90s / 00s, the time when "the horse didn’t roll" !!!!
    so for me: let’s do the lawmaking. for the cause is right and the law is necessary. and if you look at the last 7 years, then there are a lot of positive changes in the legislative field.
  9. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 31 July 2012 09: 04
    +3
    "There is salvation in Russia from the bad measures taken by the government: bad execution."
    Later this phrase was reformulated into an expression about the severity of laws and the non-binding nature of their implementation. Pornography in Russia is a lot of money, and this business is being lobbied in very high echelons ...
    So it is necessary to consider this law as "an opportunity to harass the unwanted", but in essence it will not work.
    1. Big lexey
      Big lexey 31 July 2012 10: 23
      +3
      But I would really like it to work. I myself have two children growing up and would love to protect them as much as possible from the abominations of the modern world.
      Total parental control or a complete ban on access to the Internet will not help, because There are many ways to get around the first and second restrictions. Therefore, internal censorship should be introduced by the owners of Internet resources under pain of criminal and / or administrative prosecution, and not by parents trying to set up any filters.
      1. Internet fighter
        Internet fighter 31 July 2012 12: 27
        0
        Quote: BigLexey
        Therefore, owners of Internet resources should introduce internal censorship under pain of criminal and / or administrative prosecution.

        The owners of such sites will not do anything. And technically covering them is unrealistic. In this situation, you can cut off all the porn sites only with a firewall, similar to the great Chinese firewall. So if all traffic goes through one gateway, which is also unlikely, taking into account the number of private interstate communication lines, routing and the number of independent providers. In general, if suddenly this happens, then only under a totalitarian regime.
      2. Internet fighter
        Internet fighter 31 July 2012 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: BigLexey
        Therefore, owners of Internet resources should introduce internal censorship under pain of criminal and / or administrative prosecution.

        The owners of such sites will not do anything. And technically covering them is unrealistic. In this situation, you can cut off all the porn sites only with a firewall, similar to the great Chinese firewall. So if all traffic goes through one gateway, which is also unlikely, taking into account the number of private interstate communication lines, routing and the number of independent providers. In general, if suddenly this happens, then only under a totalitarian regime.

    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 31 July 2012 18: 21
      0
      Quote: sanyabasik
      Therefore, it is necessary to consider this law as "an opportunity to haunt the unwanted", but in essence it will not work.

      yes to your health, let them "bug" their "necessary" because in this case the interests of the "bugs" and society coincide and will be beneficial.
  10. Kaa
    Kaa 31 July 2012 09: 05
    +4
    "Addiction to Internet pornography refers to pornography obtained by means of the world wide web. Psychologists who support this concept consider this type of addiction to be the most powerful and more addictive than the usual addiction to pornography. In order to satisfy their addiction, patients regularly spend significant time periods in search of new or harder pornography "—Downs, Martin F .; Louise Chang, MD (reviewer) Is Pornography Addictive? Psychologists debate whether people can have an addiction to pornography. Formal criteria have been proposed similarly to DSM-IV criteria for alcohol and other addictions Richard Irons, MD and Jennifer P. Schneider, MD, Ph. D "Differential Diagnosis of Addictive Sexual Disorders Using the DSM-IV." In Sexual Addiction & Compulsivity 1996, Volume 3, pp 7-21, 1996
    IMHO, this is an addiction of the type of narcotic and alcoholic, patients are subject to treatment, and the distributors are subject to criminal liability. Imagine the signboard "The Club of Anonymous Pornophiles!"
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 31 July 2012 09: 08
      +5
      Quote: Kaa
      I can imagine the signboard "Club of anonymous pornophiles!"


      Rather, a club of impulsive masturbators laughing
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 31 July 2012 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: Kaa
      I can imagine the signboard "Club of anonymous pornophiles!"
      it is better to "pornophiles" than pornodelov. an adult himself has the right to decide whether he will watch something or not. and the child himself is not able to figure out many issues and brings him into such distances
    3. Eugene
      Eugene 7 August 2012 23: 44
      0
      I could not restrain myself, sorry:
      Semen and I are a masturbator
      - hello semen
      - I don’t dr * 5 years already ... laughing
  11. borisst64
    borisst64 31 July 2012 09: 24
    +3
    I am always outraged when a film with bed scenes is shown after 24.00 (the children are already sleeping), and in the morning they repeat at 10.00. Although recently shown at any time.
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 31 July 2012 09: 31
    +1
    If for someone it is such information that is associated with personal freedom and general freedom of speech in the country, then this, sorry, is more like an illness, rather than an attempt to defend your interests. - Patients should be treated forcibly, planting dissent.
    There is a small anecdote on this topic: "They say that the Internet is 40% porn - it turns out I haven't seen another 60% ???"
    1. Internet fighter
      Internet fighter 31 July 2012 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      They say that the Internet consists of 40% of porn - it turns out I have not seen 60% ??

      I am sure that a lot more! lol

      Our computer scientists have such a joke: "There is no point in telling about the morality and morality of society to a person who has access to the traffic logs of this society."
  13. chistii20
    chistii20 31 July 2012 09: 39
    +2
    Close such sites Owners plant with complete confiscation And seriously toughen the punishment I have a little daughter myself and I’m just afraid to imagine if something happens to her Such things must be prevented in the bud
    1. Internet fighter
      Internet fighter 31 July 2012 12: 52
      +4
      Quote: chistii20
      Close similar sites

      The fact of the matter is that you can’t just take and close a site registered for example in the states by an unknown person.
      I don’t even have any idea how this law will be technically implemented further.
      1. Ruff
        Ruff 31 July 2012 14: 47
        +3
        Internet fighter,
        Quote: Internet fighter
        I don’t even have any idea how this law will be technically implemented.

        No way !!! PR was done, the people began to learn their benefactors on that shop and sat down. Next week a new fight is ahead, say with early abortions. And then according to the scheme; PR, boiling and shop.
        1. Internet fighter
          Internet fighter 31 July 2012 15: 14
          +3
          Ruff
          http://www.partnerweb.beeline.ru/restricted - the beeline has already distinguished itself ... by blocking Navalny’s website mashina.org and even similar ones ... the porn of which they fought, this does not concern yet. bully Well, what actually needed to be proved. Apparently they will send a list of "unwanted" sites to all licensed providers. And porn will continue to be distributed in petabytes in hubs, torrents, etc. ... For it is technically impossible to cover it up. Yes, in fact, DNS can work on a similar principle (P2P), as the developers of the system have already hinted about. Apparently soon it will be so, then our Duma members will scratch their heads over the puzzle of how to prohibit people from transmitting information to each other.
    2. Darn
      Darn 31 July 2012 16: 06
      +1
      Hello Sergey.
      If Russia prohibits porn sites and removes these pages from Russian servers, then they will be located abroad.
  14. PARROT
    PARROT 31 July 2012 09: 46
    +4
    In addition, some sites may be included in the registry if the court finds the information they disseminate prohibited. The experts may be persons with higher professional education and with special knowledge, including in the field of pedagogy, developmental psychology or physiology, and child psychiatry. - THAT'S WHAT SALT.
    Libel law
    about yesterday, under article 5.60 of the Administrative Code, for “knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of a person or undermining his reputation,” he could face a fine from 1 to 2 rubles. After the libel is returned to the Criminal Code, a person recognized as a slanderer will be punished with a fine of up to half a million rubles or sent to compulsory work for up to 160 hours. A fine of up to 5 million rubles may be imposed for an unfounded accusation of a serious crime. or compulsory work up to 480 hours. Libel in public speech or in the press will be punished with a fine of up to 1 million rubles. - THAT'S WHAT THE SALT IS. That is, if a person says the elections were dishonest, he pays a fine and goes to work, if information appears on some website that the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not like, then a “professional” is taken as an expert and says that this information falls under the law about illegal information and again sanctions. What do we have - no freedom of speech, all information on behalf of the state, one-sided, what is profitable for them - then they say there will be some kind of accident all the officials will leave the people, so that they do not worry too much that they (officials) should go and warn everyone?
    1. Big lexey
      Big lexey 31 July 2012 10: 29
      +5
      Quote: PARROT
      In addition, some sites may be included in the registry if the court finds the information they disseminate prohibited. The experts may be persons with higher professional education and with special knowledge, including in the field of pedagogy, developmental psychology or physiology, and child psychiatry. - THAT'S WHAT SALT.
      Libel law
      about yesterday, under article 5.60 of the Administrative Code, for “knowingly false information discrediting the honor and dignity of a person or undermining his reputation,” he could face a fine from 1 to 2 rubles. After the libel is returned to the Criminal Code, a person recognized as a slanderer will be punished with a fine of up to half a million rubles or sent to compulsory work for up to 160 hours. A fine of up to 5 million rubles may be imposed for an unfounded accusation of a serious crime. or compulsory work up to 480 hours. Libel in public speech or in the press will be punished with a fine of up to 1 million rubles. - THAT'S WHAT THE SALT IS. That is, if a person says the elections were dishonest, he pays a fine and goes to work, if information appears on some website that the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not like, then a “professional” is taken as an expert and says that this information falls under the law about illegal information and again sanctions. What do we have - no freedom of speech, all information on behalf of the state, one-sided, what is profitable for them - then they say there will be some kind of accident all the officials will leave the people, so that they do not worry too much that they (officials) should go and warn everyone?

      Do you, a resident of Ukraine, care about freedom of speech in Russia or do you defend the rights of pedophiles?
      In the 18th century, they called for duel for slander, and now, if CONSCIOUS slander is proved, it’s just a fine .... it’s too small for hollow breeds ...
      1. PARROT
        PARROT 31 July 2012 15: 04
        -1
        Dueling is a matter of 2 gentlemen, I am for a duel, let everyone be responsible for the words, and the state-man relationship is something completely different. Freedom of speech excites pedophiles to be treated, castrated, etc. It’s just that if the law was purely against the fight against pedophilia, pornography, drug trafficking, this was one thing, and then there are mechanisms for any information to be presented as illegal is another.
    2. urzul
      urzul 31 July 2012 10: 30
      +9
      On the other hand, on the Internet, all kinds of "experts" are under stress. As well as sites bringing democracy and freedom to our heads (http://www.svobodanews.ru/ for example).
      And about all kinds of inconvenient sites, the management of K is far from being boys, they can cover it up anyway.

      Illustrative example:
      In our city in the Avtozavodsky district, 2 girls were attacked (one was killed, one in the hospital)
      So, judging by information from local forums, in contact and classmates, he has already cut 30-40 people (both girls and guys), according to the words of "eyewitnesses" he did it right in broad daylight. As a result of such an artificial panic (mailings in social networks, posting a composite photo), several guys outwardly similar to the description were severely beaten (people were looking for them directly through questionnaires in contact;))) And the girls are afraid to walk down the street even during the day.
      Although I know from reliable sources that most likely 2 attacks are the work of different people, since the descriptions of eyewitnesses do not agree during interrogation.


      So it turns out that from such freedom of speech there is more harm than good, someone decided to joke - another believed.
      1. Churchill
        Churchill 31 July 2012 12: 33
        +8
        Quote: urzul
        , someone decided to joke - another believed

        This is now called - joke! And what consequences do not even represent, hormones have grown, but there is no head, there is nothing to think about.
    3. Machaon
      Machaon 31 July 2012 10: 57
      +11
      PARROT,
      Aesopian language will simply develop, which naturally develops a good literary taste! We can say that General Petrov stole, or it’s possible that a certain general with a mustache and a silicone wife in a red convertible. Everyone will understand who they are talking about, and revealing informational content even increases.
      1. PARROT
        PARROT 31 July 2012 17: 16
        +4
        It will simply develop in parallel and Aesopian perception ...
  15. xmike
    xmike 31 July 2012 10: 20
    +4
    Of course, I am for the freedom of the Internet, but the dirt must be cleaned
    and perverts-pedophiles in social networks, too, somehow you need to track !!!
  16. Robin_3ON
    Robin_3ON 31 July 2012 10: 27
    +1
    If the foreign democrats begin to bark, and the democrats who bark at them mean the right path, we’re sorry that it’s slow, it’s time to accelerate otherwise Russia will be sucked into the swamp.
  17. strannik595
    strannik595 31 July 2012 10: 27
    +1
    better late than never .................. this law should have been adopted 15-20 years ago, when this weed grass just started to sprout on the RuNet, and now there is such a jungle that I I don’t even know how the government is going to uproot this jungle ................. only by planting media moguls apparently .............. all the more so in the bodies themselves authorities there are people lobbying all this abomination
  18. anchonsha
    anchonsha 31 July 2012 10: 43
    +1
    Well, it’s known that howls and buzz are always raised by those who have an empty pocket. After all, such earned on porn. Well, now the West will begin to bore the USA with exclamations - there is no media freedom in Russia
  19. wulf66
    wulf66 31 July 2012 10: 59
    +1
    The law is right, right. In my opinion, in our laws another misfortune, which does not concern their content at all, is their general UNFULFILLMENT.
  20. runway
    runway 31 July 2012 11: 02
    +1
    Trying to untie the knot with "our laws", the author pulled the wrong string - as a result he got confused himself, and more specifically.
    Not only is the topic clearly overwhelming for him, so he still dares to draw conclusions about the "softness" of our laws over foreign ones .... It can be seen for a long time did not run around the courts. It is possible to argue about the severity and softness of our laws for a long time and to no avail. Everyone has their own opinion on this matter. But the basis has always been law enforcement... On the way from investigation to trial, at the trial itself, the judiciary will distort the law so much that it is simply amazing how a normal person can interpret it this way .... As a result, half of the convicts are imprisoned or not "under their own article", or not at all guilty ....
    Enforcement of court decisions authorities - a separate topic of our issue. After all, in the end it is not the cruelty of punishment, but its inevitability that determines the willingness of state law enforcement agencies to comply with the LAW.
    1. runway
      runway 31 July 2012 11: 52
      +3
      Attempt to remove comment failed. And although it was written for another article, it is surprising that it fits this one too!
      Close porn sites on the Internet? Well then cancel the Internet.
      Lawmakers come up with a plus sign? Very strong move good Let's see if this will somehow solve the problem or not. For some reason, there is confidence that it will not solve. If the law "On Protection of Children from Information Harmful to Their Health and Development" was adopted in 2010, and its implementation begins on September 1, 2012 ..... (read further on the enforcement of the law).
      Now how can this law be used to combat dissidents (yes, with any objectionable sites ....) Yes, just put porn on it at the right time.
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 31 July 2012 16: 46
        0
        Explain, piston.k, why are you so nervous that lawmakers are trying to deal with this problem?
        1. runway
          runway 31 July 2012 18: 33
          -1
          11Goor11.
          Not at all unnerving. But so the question cannot be resolved. Can you imagine that +12 and + 18 will solve the problem of access to porn sites?
          If you read my comment, it can be seen from it that neither the legislators nor our leaders have any special desire to solve this problem! After all, this law was adopted in 2010, and its implementation (Article 23 of the law) is determined by
          September 1, 2012!
          Then, if you want to block your child’s access to your computer, then you can use access keys, but not this law. I hope I answered your question.
          1. REPA1963
            REPA1963 31 July 2012 22: 16
            0
            Well done, he clearly gave an answer, put a password and that's it, confirmed by personal experience.
            1. Big lexey
              Big lexey 2 August 2012 12: 08
              0
              Quote: piston.k
              Then, if you want to block your child’s access to your computer, you can use access keys, but not this law. I hope I answered your question.

              Quote: REPA1963
              Well done, he clearly gave an answer, put a password and that's it, confirmed by personal experience.

              And what will the passwords change ?! The Internet will stop "working" at school, with friends and girlfriends ?! Home computers are more or less limited by the access settings, both by the operating system and by the network router, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to close all sites, because The Internet is still a good tool for education and obtaining USEFUL information, and therefore, censorship should come not only from parents, but first of all from the owners of resources. I, an adult, with a formed worldview, accidentally getting on a "harmful" site, I just close it, but the children do not yet have a "filter" that would reliably cut off the wheat from the chaff, they are just gaining experience and would really like to protect them from dirt ...
  21. Rexei
    Rexei 31 July 2012 11: 09
    +4
    The article only lets smoke ... "Vicky" was disconnected due to the fact that initially, for some reason, they wanted to add the entire "RuViki" to the emergency situations of the sites, Durov simply does not need to do it and he no longer knows how else to show off: porn VK though and is removed, but not as fast as I would like ... For example: I recently came across a "nudist group" where they posted photos of naked children on the beach. children , adult photographs, as I carefully looked through, was not or was not enough. The question is asked: if the group is for nudists, where they propagate their lifestyle, then what the hell is there Children photos ??? The group was deleted within a week (or even more, I did not find it from the moment it was created).
    ===
    Also, according to the initial plan, any sites were to be disconnected if something forbidden was found on them ... only without a court order and at the same time, illegal content was discovered. That is, people are sitting in the office, looking at sites, seeing on our site (topwar) porn picture and immediately blocked the site ... Who added the picture, it does not matter, it is important that it is.
    ===
    This was when serious amendments were not adopted and the law was crude and, frankly, unlawful.
  22. Dmitry.V
    Dmitry.V 31 July 2012 11: 14
    +2
    If they found an excuse no better than the "absence of democracy", pedophiles would be imprisoned for life, and that's all, restricting the prohibition on drugs will not help either, the spread of porn even more so.
    What kind of nonsense will Putin go to keep power. And to track unwanted people who are against him and the party in power, the opposition is so tame, and the one who is not. It’s just that relatives weren’t enough to have access to money, the other part is American sales people.
    Why is all this incomprehensible except to really limit the words of the understanding part of the population.
    1. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 31 July 2012 16: 51
      0
      Dmitry.V
      What kind of nonsense will Putin go to keep power.

      Does this seem crazy to you? Or "restricting the freedom of speech of the understanding part of the population"?
      1. In particular, if the site contains materials with pornographic images of persons who have not attained 18 years, or calls to engage in pornographic activities that are addressed to minors, then such materials are declared prohibited.
      2. If information about how to manufacture and use various narcotic substances, precursors and psychotropic drugs is published on a certain site, as well as about where are the places of cultivation of narcotic plants with descriptions of cultivation methods, then such materials are also considered prohibited.
      3. Materials in which it is a question of calls for suicide, methods of committing suicide, are also classified as prohibited.

      So you do something similar?
      1. Dmitry.V
        Dmitry.V 31 July 2012 18: 06
        +3
        Fortunately no. It seems like Skype will allow listening, and the social network will issue correspondence, of course no one will read and listen, but most likely only specific people, therefore various rallies will be destroyed at the very beginning at the stage of gathering and recruiting people. no way to suppress opposition movements, patience will end in people.
  23. volcano
    volcano 31 July 2012 11: 16
    +2
    Honestly, one could take a tougher path.
    Not just cover, but also plant.
    on LJ pages there is child pornography, about drugs or stories about how good it will be in the afterlife, all the owners are in prison.
    There is nothing to save on moderators. You created a resource, you track.
    A couple will sit ...... adjacent to Khodorkovsky ....... others will be disinclined
  24. Great RUSSIA
    Great RUSSIA 31 July 2012 11: 48
    +1
    Putin has already lost my confidence, you all put on pink glasses and do not see how the country is dying! Yes, Putin saved the country, but now he is plundering it!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 July 2012 13: 42
      +2
      Quote: Great RUSSIA
      Yes, Putin saved the country, but now he is plundering it!


      How can you steal from yourself? He milks her like a good cow owner
      1. dreamer
        dreamer 31 July 2012 13: 48
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        How can you steal from yourself? He milks her like a good cow owner

        An example to a point, do not add, do not decrease, the main thing is that it does not work out, as in a famous joke:
        The old man and the old woman found a goat in the forest. They milked for a month and drank milk. Suddenly, the goat lost milk, they called the veterinarian. He looked at the animal, examined it and delivered the verdict: "A good kozel, but very nasty" laughing
      2. Great RUSSIA
        Great RUSSIA 31 July 2012 15: 06
        -1
        Firstly, dear Vladivak. The country is not Putin's property! And the people! Secondly, he does not milk it, for example, if you look at GDP, this is not an indicator, GDP and GNP have grown due to a sharp jump in oil prices and due to the extensive growth in oil sales! By the way, you are confused, you wrote DOLIT! And the owner should drink and feed !!!
        1. REPA1963
          REPA1963 31 July 2012 22: 19
          +1
          Hit the point !!
      3. REPA1963
        REPA1963 31 July 2012 22: 19
        +1
        Not at home but at you!
    2. carbofo
      carbofo 31 July 2012 13: 43
      0
      Great RUSSIA,
      Always rulers are either believed or not, that's fine.
      A completely different indiscriminate blasphemy, without motive, just because someone said so there!
      In the vast majority of cases, we have no idea what is happening, because we simply do not have the necessary information.
      Some angry.
      And some use it.
      So is it worth yelling at every corner for someone else's opinion.
  25. in reserve
    in reserve 31 July 2012 13: 30
    +2
    Such a muddy law with vague wording does not specifically state what and how it will be closed. This law was specially issued so as to close uncomfortable sites. The Internet is good because it has everything.
  26. mikula
    mikula 31 July 2012 14: 41
    -3
    Russia urgently needs two things - the Iron Curtain and the Moral Police, modeled on the Iranian model, and only mass executions will save this country - Amen.
    1. Great RUSSIA
      Great RUSSIA 31 July 2012 15: 08
      -1
      Thank you! The most important thing is that people choose power, and then nothing is demanded and controlled from it.
  27. alexg
    alexg 31 July 2012 15: 01
    +3
    The most idiotic law in the Russian Federation looks something like this:
    - The President of the Russian Federation, as well as members of the Government of the Russian Federation and the State Duma, are entitled to free travel in public transport. smile
  28. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 31 July 2012 17: 11
    +5
    I read the appeal of the Russian Wikipedia and completely agree with him. After all, the problem is not in the very fact of restricting porn and other rubbish, which is good in principle, but in the administrative mechanism, by which this restriction is decided by some official and everything, neither appeal nor change. If through a court, then yes, the measure would be understandable. And so you can prohibit anything you want, out of court. This is indeed a violation of human rights, it is not for nothing that Wikipedia went on strike.
  29. Apollo
    Apollo 31 July 2012 20: 25
    +4
    In my opinion, law enforcement agencies, long ago, without regard to laws, should have blocked pornographic sites.
    It is unclear one thing to block you still need a law ?!
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 31 July 2012 21: 29
      +3
      Apollo, what if the authorities decide that we are here on this site giving direct instructions on how to make atomic bombs and carry out terrorist activities against the state and will close the site out of court out of the blue, then what? To whom then will you explain that you are not a camel? The fight against terrorism and porn is a good thing. Just do not forget that those who sacrifice their rights for security ultimately always lose not only security, but also freedom.

      But this site is really doubtful which one - it prints nuclear weapons schemes, admits calls for lynching, it’s possible it’s time to inspect under the new law, and feel feel feel
  30. wei
    wei 31 July 2012 20: 27
    +1
    komenty some fun
    but somehow on porn everyone was distracted, I want to add about addiction
    you need to fight it and you can just burn the dens to extinguish the roof
    it’s not necessary to look for the benefit everything is known addresses of the appearance ...
  31. Uncle
    Uncle 31 July 2012 21: 07
    0
    Porn is trifles, the state reigns total betrayal of the interests of the people and Russia. A war is going on against the people, in which the effect on the base instincts of man is used to the fullest. The purpose of this war is to make us slaves to sin, not God. In a Russian person, faith sits firmly, even the Communists did not succeed in snatching it; I think that the Democrats will not succeed either. The good news is that from the highest level they indicate the correct reference point, what is good and what is bad. This is the undoubted influence of the Russian Orthodox Church, which is why attacks on it are so strong. While the Church was reborn, nobody cared for her, as soon as she began to intervene in the matter of educating citizens, streams of dirt and pussi wright all went right away. So gradually we come to the image of Russia, for which it will not be offensive.
    1. von_Richten
      von_Richten 1 August 2012 01: 44
      0
      No need for a church for faith. And faith is not needed when everything from science has come around.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 1 August 2012 08: 06
        -1
        von_RichtenWhy are you so peremptorily declaring? The church is certainly needed, but not in the form it came to us after the 90s. And if the church can cure at least one drug addict, then be such a church !!!
        1. von_Richten
          von_Richten 3 August 2012 00: 14
          0
          The church is an administrative apparatus. Clouds the brain and nothing more. And anyway, where do the addicts, huh?
  32. Dictator
    Dictator 31 July 2012 21: 38
    -3
    The article is serious, bold plus to you the author.
  33. Magadan
    Magadan 31 July 2012 23: 38
    0
    Thanks for the review, Alex!
    I am for having sex in Russia about the same as in the USSR. Hugged, kissed and all your sex. And note, films from this are no less talented than they were in Hollywood. I watched with our son 10 years our film Taras Bulba, well, everything is fine, and then the bed scenes with a Polish girl went. Well, damn it, how do you watch this with your own child? If only they would have cut out such moments, they would have written during the sale that they say that they are prepared for joint viewing with the child
  34. wow
    wow 6 August 2012 19: 42
    0
    You shouldn't pay attention to all these shouters about the "stranglers of freedom" and other pro-Western civilizers and do what we think is necessary. Nicholas II, at one time, also turned out to be a weakling, he kept looking around and listening to the opinion of "enlightened Europe". Instead of harshly suppressing the Bolsheviks' nonsense and cutting off Ulyanov's head, he tricked them into "exile". As it turned out later, these "links" were a real sanatorium in comparison with what was organized by the same Bolsheviks who came to power.