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The question of the survival of small business in Russia is becoming particularly relevant

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The question of the survival of small business in Russia is becoming particularly relevant

Small business enterprises can rightfully be classified as the most severely affected by the economic consequences of the coronavirus pandemic and the quarantine restrictions imposed in connection with it in our country. There is nothing surprising in the fact that it is their representatives who most actively advocate for the early weakening of the current rigid isolation regime, which creates barriers to their activities. Too many of these entrepreneurs fear that ruin will overtake them sooner than illness ...


Despite its own small status, this business plays an important role in the economy of our country. Not without reason, being in the post of Minister of Economic Development of Russia, Maxim Oreshkin designated just small business as the driving force of such. As of today, it makes up more than 20% of the total national economy, providing employment for about 20 million Russians. In the same Moscow, according to Sergei Sobyanin, it is small business that provides up to a quarter of all tax revenues. Therefore, the question of the survival of small business in Russia is a question of the survival of the entire economy. It becomes particularly relevant in connection with well-known events. After all, not only the oil and gas giants and the banking sector participate in the country's economic activity.

Unfortunately, it cannot be said that recent times have been beneficial for this sphere of activity. Despite the many positive and promising decisions made by all branches of government (from the president and the State Duma to the cabinet of ministers and various specialized departments), all of which were aimed at supporting small business and its development, in reality, as is often the case in our country Fatherland, all good undertakings often crashed into the arbitrariness of local officials and far from bright life realities. And such global changes as an increase in the same VAT and other fiscal troubles, optimism and a desire to work for the good of the motherland and for the sake of increasing their own well-being have not been added to most entrepreneurs.

According to reports, in the third quarter of 2019, the index of business activity index of small and medium enterprises (RSBI) fell to 50,9 points, which is almost equivalent to stagnation. Hundreds of thousands of small enterprises across the country went bankrupt or simply ceased operations. People simply give up and they lose all desire to try themselves in small business. This, incidentally, is confirmed by the data of opinion polls: most Russians (76%) do not seem to mind "working for themselves", but do not believe in equal opportunities and fear that such an attempt will end badly for them. What a driving force!

In addition to all the problems, at the beginning of this year, the coronavirus came into the world, a pandemic of which swiftly swept the whole world, and with it came the whole complex of prohibitions and restrictions that actually led to mass downtime of small businesses. In this crisis situation, he really is almost the worst. The quarantine hit first of all in those areas in which the majority of small entrepreneurs work: catering, entertainment, consumer services, small wholesale trade, transportation, and the like.

Worst of all, small enterprises and their owners, unlike large companies, as a rule, do not have a financial safety cushion - savings that allow them not only to survive a rainy day, but also to save their own business, pay at least the minimum wages to employees or rents. In such circumstances, a month or two of forced downtime can kill even the most profitable and well-established business.

Is there any hope?


The only thing that needs to be hoped for not by such a small “estate” of small entrepreneurs of our country is that the measures announced by the state to support and rescue this time will not turn out to be empty declarations, but will turn into real actions. There is reason to hope for this. Here are some specific examples: the government has already exempted a number of small and medium-sized businesses from paying federal property rents for April-June this year. They are granted a six-month deferral of payment of all taxes (except VAT) and credit payments. Promised short-term targeted loans and borrowings (primarily for employee salaries). As far as we know, even direct government subsidies to particularly affected small businesses are being actively discussed.

However, most likely, all the measures already announced will not be enough to save him in full. Even five quarantine weeks, according to preliminary estimates by analysts, will cost Russia 1% of GDP, and it’s far from the fact that the case will end only in this period. A fall in citizens' incomes, a decrease in their purchasing power will have a negative impact on the activities of the small business for a long time even after all restrictions have been removed. Nevertheless, the state has no choice but to attract the maximum possible resources to help all those who are engaged in this area. Otherwise, instead of the stratum that has been so long grown up and satisfied with the life and power of the middle class, the state will receive millions of desperate, disappointed, and embittered new lumpen.
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  1. Paul K.
    Paul K. 6 May 2020 07: 56 New
    12
    50.9 points - this is the absolute norm (learn the materiel) in any economy. For the rest, I agree that there is no work in Russia today, you have to fight for jobs, gnaw (especially in the field), and who will do it? nuts (you talk to him, there is deaf like in a tank ...)
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 May 2020 08: 02 New
      18
      At first, the state actively prevented the development of business .. bureaucracy, a lot of inspectors, extorting, etc. .. now they decided to act dramatically, just close everything.
      that the measures announced by the state to support and save him this time will not turn out to be empty declarations, but will turn into real actions.

      Here the state is always consistent with us .. and if it promises something, it doesn’t fulfill .. "There is no money, but you stay there" and you are in a good mood ..
      1. Far B
        Far B 6 May 2020 08: 06 New
        27
        Yes, there are no support measures there, if you look. Deferrals and soft loans still imply that the money will have to be paid. Despite the fact that it was the state that deprived people of the opportunity to work for a month and a half. A good attempt to drive people into even greater financial bondage. Just as if the pan did not overheat, however.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 May 2020 08: 56 New
          17
          I support. This word “postponement" bothers me: worked, didn’t work - pay tax and rent. In the future, which the entrepreneur in this case simply does not have. Why not cancel the payment of all taxes for the period of self-isolation?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 May 2020 09: 09 New
            -3
            Quote: depressant
            This word “postponement" bothers me: worked, didn’t work - pay tax and rent.

            But didn’t it occur to you to simply pay?
            1. Sergey Zhikharev
              Sergey Zhikharev 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
              +7
              And then the tax comes and asks - "where is the money?" And the fact that the caronovirus does not bother them. Either pay or the treasury is waiting for you.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 05: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Sergey Zhikharev
                And then the tax comes and asks - "where is the money?" And the fact that the caronovirus does not bother them. Either pay or the treasury is waiting for you.

                So they are for themselves, including asking. It seems that they themselves are now sitting at home on a salary and pears are hanging around.
        2. maiman61
          maiman61 6 May 2020 10: 41 New
          +3
          The overheating pan has melted a long time ago! Once and forever!
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 May 2020 11: 59 New
          14
          Quote: Far In
          Yes, there are no support measures there, if you look.

          What the hell is support ?! What a small business ?!
          The state does not want to help the elderly !!!
          They threw everything at the volunteers, including food packages.
          5 minutes ago I talked with the hot line, free food sets in our area are reserved for people over 85 years old, large single mothers and wheelchair users
          And it's all! If someone begins to wrap cotton wool on the topic of state support to the population, I’ll break it !!!
          If the state suggested that my father self-isolate and feed himself, then I suggest that the state SELF-PAY!
          I’m very angry now and I don’t get a dime as taxes, I won’t receive payments !!!
          Let me fuck like he wants, I need it for hell !!!
        4. 210ox
          210ox 6 May 2020 14: 01 New
          +6
          A small example. Small business very often rents premises from the same private owners, only of a different level. And of course - they will be thrown out for non-payment of rent. Two months of inaction for such a sentence.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 05: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            Small business very often rents premises from the same private owners, only of a different level. And of course - they will be thrown out for non-payment of rent. Two months of inaction for such a sentence.

            Already. The bourgeois, for whom I worked, closed the workshops that I rented and sold the machines.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 6 May 2020 08: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        a bunch of checking-extorting, etc ..

        I don’t know, maybe you are an entrepreneur, but I judge the measures of state control as a consumer of services. Say "checking-extorting"? And how without them? Or did the public catering (cafes, culinary and other) stop poisoning the population with not high-quality, or even just dangerous products? Have you forgotten how dozens of children were taken from schools and camps to hospitals with intestinal poisoning? A lot of slops poured on the GPN. And what, how long have they ceased to burn massively? It is necessary that there were more state of emergency hypermarkets or again in the camps? About DPS is already a callus in the language. But get them out of the way, people will start to drive in the oncoming lane. And we will collect more corpses from the road than in the early 2000s. You yourself are alive and prosperous only through the efforts of the state that you are trying to throw mud at. Each major construction has on its balance sheet the real blood of workers spilled for reasons of violations of health and safety by both employees and business owners who save on safety equipment for their workers. Everyone complains about how they feel badly, but after every object that is half-hearted, they unsubscribe in criminal cases because of the same violations and drive around to new premium cars. And this is not about large SUs, but desks for 100-200 people of the total number with gender. So without overseers, we’ll get a splash over the real corpses of people at a perfectly working age. No tears for business. It’s not easy for everyone today.
        Too many of these entrepreneurs fear that ruin will overtake them sooner than illness ...
        complains the author in the article. He then may not suffer from the virus at all. He doesn’t sit on the trading floor and communicates more with the people over the phone or indirectly through managers of the “middle” level. The people who visit them or work for them will begin to get sick. Here he is obviously less sorry for them than profit. For some reason, we are addicted to faulting the government, and it is precisely thanks to the measures taken by it that we do not collect thousands of infected corpses on a daily basis by refrigerated trucks, as in one "very prosperous" country. A pandemic is not an initiative of our government, it is a disaster that must be fought together, not to spit on each other’s shoes and not to oppose society. I think so...
        1. Asad
          Asad 6 May 2020 09: 03 New
          +1
          DPS in Novosibirsk generally evaporated, where there are no cameras that drive as they want! Control is needed, they feel, but without exactions, as the former entrepreneur had seen enough of the controllers!
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 6 May 2020 09: 07 New
            +6
            Quote: ASAD
            Control is needed, they feel, but without exactions, as the former entrepreneur had seen enough of the controllers!

            But requisitions from scratch are not born. Someone checks in order to get rich, and someone pokes the inspector himself in his pocket to cover up the violation of laws and rules.
        2. letinant
          letinant 6 May 2020 09: 04 New
          -9
          I totally agree with
          Hagen (Hagen)
          . Only, I will supplement his statement. The first question is, where did these businessmen get their money? After all, a period of two months is not so long.
          And I'll tell you, and nowhere, lie in a bank or at home under the mattress. As soon as the information went that compensation from the state is possible, he (small business) began to create lists of who needs money and believe me, this list is not the most needy. Free money wanted.
          The second question is, which firms go bankrupt? Which are already not very in demand. In the cinema, who, when, last time went? Shopping centers, built in such quantity, they were not in demand before the problems. Rentals, travel agencies, etc.
          Go to the factory, people are needed there, open agribusiness, products are always in demand. But most are trying to live by the principle of "where to get paid and do nothing?"
          The third world will not soon become the same, if at all. I am not saying that we will always be hiding in our homes. I say that some businesses will die, some will adapt to work in a new way. The state provides an opportunity to survive or mitigate this blow. But it is not a mother, it will not pull a child of great age. It’s hard for everyone now, everyone is sitting on pins and needles, but factories are working in my city and this inspires hope!
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 6 May 2020 11: 05 New
            20
            Quote: letinant
            only, I will supplement his statement. The first question is, where did these businessmen get their money? After all, a period of two months is not so long.

            Laponka ... Do you think that small business has income like Sechin? Well, or like drug dealers, at least? For example, for me, it was not much higher than the average salary in the country, percent higher, and not at times. About a month of rent and 1 salary to a worker. And I would like to hang taxes, rent and salary on me for a couple of months, or for six months.
            Quote: letinant
            And I'll tell you, and nowhere, lie in a bank or at home under the mattress.

            Yes, they go away for food, these mythical ones of yours "under the mattress" For food, clothes and a communal apartment .. 3/4 of small entrepreneurs are no richer than civil servants. Do they also use bundles of notes as pillow filler?
            Quote: letinant
            The second question is, which firms go bankrupt? Which are already not very in demand.

            Laponka. Personally, my occupancy rate was exactly 100%. I scored as many children as possible, without prejudice to training. AND??? How did it save me with a complete ban on activities? And thank God that I had a lease before April 1, and without renewing it, I quickly jumped off this merry train, under the name - law-abiding business in Russia. Now only hardcore, now only gray options. For honest people, our state categorically does not accept.
            Quote: letinant
            Go to the factory, people are needed there, open agribusiness, products are always in demand.

            Plant? Here is the closest to me, apart from MSC, about 60 kilometers. Sn there is 82 rubles per hour, Do not want to get settled? And agribusiness ... If you do not have a few extra billions in your pocket .... How are you? Prices for equipment at least remotely represent? And on one shovel, and a pair of forks, you are above the level - a weekend gardener, typical, with all desire, you will not come out. A small farmer in the Russian Federation is a creature that is generally deeply flawed, doomed to perpetual struggle with a sales system aimed at destroying everything that does not fall under the definition of an agricultural holding. Here I have, right behind the fence, 7 hectares of arable land. Empty as far as I remember. Prior to Moscow Ring Road 34 km, the sales market is vast. In theory. In practice .... Do not want to rent and show a master class? Having earned it like that. to buffet with envy strangled?
            Quote: letinant
            The state provides an opportunity to survive or mitigate this blow.

            To soften the blow? To survive? Our beloved state simply destroys small business. forbidding him to receive income, but obliging to bear the costs in full. Actually, taking care of citizens during epidemics, floods, etc. - direct obligation of the state. But when such a situation arose, the state was completely self-isolated. Although not. Nen completely. By transferring money from the budget to companies that haven’t suffered any damages, revenues amount to hundreds of billions, and the state may not last a year or two, the state was very worried. For the profits of large shareholders are the only things that really hurt the government.
            Quote: letinant
            It’s hard for everyone now, everyone is sitting on needles,

            Yes Yes Yes. It’s very hard for a nickel, for example. In February-March, he sawed 4.5 yards of net profit. It is in dollars, not in rubles. And so that shareholders do not sit on needles, he urgently needs state aid.
            Quote: letinant
            and it inspires hope!

            What at the expense of the poor, the problems of the gentlemen of billionaires will nevertheless be solved.
            1. letinant
              letinant 6 May 2020 11: 26 New
              -6
              Girl
              Lannan Shi
              . I write confidently, because I myself had a family business. I gave it to my brother, now he is engaged and I know everything perfectly. You work in gray, so for the state you do not exist, what kind of help do you need? And what kind of bands did you type, dancing, developing children, playing the guitar? If you need income like Sechin, you have big requests. Then you will go to Sechin, only he will help you, and here, I think no one has such income.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 6 May 2020 12: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: letinant
                I write confidently, because I myself had a family business. I gave it to my brother, now he is engaged and I know everything perfectly. You work in gray, that means for the state you do not exist,

                There are very serious doubts that you had any kind of business. Well, if only at the level to steal the cover of the sewer manhole and turn it over to ferrous metal. Otherwise, you would not have nonsense about the gray rent of urban property, an area of ​​not 100 square meters or even 300, and about the gray activities of almost a hundred children.
                Quote: letinant
                What groups did you type

                Taekwondo paw, taekwondo. By the way, yes. Now I will not recruit groups in which exactly a quarter were free. Strictly at home, the benefit of personal sports grounds allow, strictly gray. Without a single penny of taxes. If the state kicks me into the shadows with kicks ... So it will be so.
                Quote: letinant
                If you need income like Sechin’s

                I only need one. So that the state, which withdraws more than half of what I have earned, through taxes, direct and indirect, contributions to funds, excise taxes and other fees, fulfills its duties. But the content of people, during the epidemic, did not outweigh me. The state does not have self-insulated money. You see, it is not the United States, as Siluanov said today, it cannot issue money. And I mean I can? In my basement, and the fort Knox is hidden, and the US Treasury and their own mint.
                1. letinant
                  letinant 6 May 2020 15: 31 New
                  -5
                  Laponka. Personally, my occupancy rate was exactly 100%. I scored as many children as possible, without prejudice to training. AND??? How did it save me with a complete ban on activities? And thank God that I had a lease before April 1, and without renewing it, I quickly jumped off this merry train, under the name - law-abiding business in Russia. Now only hardcore, now only gray options. For honest people, our state categorically does not accept.

                  Taekwondo paw, taekwondo. By the way, yes. Now I will not recruit groups in which exactly a quarter were free. Strictly at home, the benefit of personal sports grounds allow, strictly gray. Without a single penny of taxes. If the state kicks me into the shadows with kicks ... So it will be so.
                  Now you do not give up your words? Darling.
                  And once again proves when everything is fine, people throw money, taekwondo, violin, piano, balalaika, macrame. And when they press, they forget about it.
                  1. Red Dragon
                    Red Dragon 6 May 2020 16: 12 New
                    +4
                    So Lennan Shea wrote that she had a “white” business before quarantine, with the payment of due taxes to the state. And with the beginning of quarantine, the state ordered it to close, and where to take the money did not indicate. And she, evaluating this decision of the state, decided on April 1 to switch to "gray" schemes of work, because the state does not help individual entrepreneurs: neither the one who pays taxes, nor the one who does not pay. And then why pay them at all, if there is no difference. wink Therefore, it is not clear what you are trying to prove to her.
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 6 May 2020 19: 38 New
                      -5
                      She is broadcasting from another state. They have their own laws and decisions. Her speculation does not apply to Russia.
                    2. letinant
                      letinant 6 May 2020 23: 27 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Red Dragon
                      So
                      Lennan shea
                      wrote that she had a "white" business before quarantine, with the payment of due taxes to the state. And with the beginning of quarantine, the state ordered it to close, and where to take the money did not indicate. And she, evaluating this decision of the state, decided on April 1 to switch to "gray" schemes of work, because the state does not help individual entrepreneurs: neither the one who pays taxes, nor the one who does not pay. And then why pay them at all, if there is no difference. wink Therefore, it is not clear what you are trying to prove to her.

                      Well, let's start over. Business is always a risk. When you open your own business, you can burn out. The reasons are different, miscalculations, lack of clientele, etc. "Lennan Shia" did not say anything about her business (number of groups, person in group, price per person, rent). A businessman opens his own company, for his increase in material security i.e. to get a salary above average. Then the question is, did you really save up or, as usual, everything into the furnace? Then these are problems not of the state but of man. And excuse me, I do not believe in its altruism. She wrote that a quarter of the group goes for free, the question is, is this an agreement with the administration or idle talk? In my city, there are many different sections and no one takes anyone for free. The only, free sports training, School of Sports Reserve and all. And I’m still worried, she slides over and over again over Sechin, how can one compare her business with Rosneft? Or does she consider herself a competitor to Rosneft? How to live? I don’t know how she does, but in our city they offer to work for the good of the city (for money), the salary is decent. Someone took advantage, someone wedges the state, someone expects freebies from the state.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 7 May 2020 05: 13 New
                        0
                        That is, the entrepreneur must calculate the risk that the government will force him to cover, but will oblige him to pay as before? Is this a commercial risk?
                      2. letinant
                        letinant 7 May 2020 05: 29 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        That is, the entrepreneur must calculate the risk that the government will force him to cover, but will oblige him to pay as before? Is this a commercial risk?

                        Counter-question, did the government close these businesses because it simply wanted or was there a good reason? And in general, as I understand it, it worked for itself, or do you think she should not pay herself a salary? Here you are funny!
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 7 May 2020 05: 55 New
                        +1
                        There was a reason.
                        But then for the same reason, they also have to be exempted from taxes, etc. There is a reason! For all the common!
                        And then some have problems because of the reason, but others should not have problems?
                        Forced to close, therefore, forced to refuse to receive payments and taxes, right?
                      4. letinant
                        letinant 7 May 2020 06: 03 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Revival
                        There was a reason.
                        But then for the same reason, they also have to be exempted from taxes, etc. There is a reason! For all the common!
                        And then some have problems because of the reason, but others should not have problems?
                        Forced to close, therefore, forced to refuse to receive payments and taxes, right?

                        And what are her taxes if she is self-employed? No profit, no taxes? The self-employed alike.
                      5. Revival
                        Revival 7 May 2020 06: 05 New
                        +1
                        1. Well, actually it's not just about her.
                        2. There are mandatory payments, although there is at least no profit.
                        3. Take the IP, again you have to pay regardless of profit
                        Etc.
                        The question is the same: so why is there an illogical and unfair approach if there is a common "valid" reason for everyone?
                        If by its decision the authorities blocked the source of the money, but didn’t they forget to cancel payments and taxes?
                      6. letinant
                        letinant 7 May 2020 06: 09 New
                        -1
                        Here is a constructive dialogue. Did you go to the public services website, are you interested in proposals from the government on IP?
                      7. Revival
                        Revival 7 May 2020 06: 10 New
                        0
                        Yes sir. I myself un, was interested with interest.
                        There = 0.
                        I only received a reminder, so as not to confuse, the tax must be paid until 27.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
                        Here is the whole measure of support ...
                      8. letinant
                        letinant 7 May 2020 06: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        Yes sir. I myself un, was interested with interest.
                        There = 0.
                        I only received a reminder, so as not to confuse, the tax must be paid until 27.04.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
                        Here is the whole measure of support ...

                        A section has been created on the website of the Federal Tax Service of Russia with measures to support a business affected by a coronavirus.
                        I found it!
                      9. Revival
                        Revival 7 May 2020 06: 24 New
                        +1
                        That found 10 okved from about 3000. It is ridiculous ..
                        That is, the business that was forbidden to work was not harmed, is this generally a natural condition for the business not to work?
                        The air carrier that stopped the activity suffered, but, for example, the hairdresser who stopped the activity, no?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 05: 57 New
            0
            Quote: letinant
            And in general, as I understand it, it worked for itself, or do you think she should not pay herself a salary?

            And where will she get her from? And from what recess and pocket would she pay a cleaner who sits at home?
          3. letinant
            letinant 7 May 2020 06: 07 New
            -2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: letinant
            And in general, as I understand it, it worked for itself, or do you think she should not pay herself a salary?

            And where will she get her from? And from what recess and pocket would she pay a cleaner who sits at home?

            Do you personally know this lady? And do you know her expenses? Well, stop grinding stupidity already. Trying to prove your case, it's all empty. I wrote earlier, the state is not a mother who calms you.
          4. Revival
            Revival 7 May 2020 06: 15 New
            +1
            I alone noticed that essentially you didn’t answer, forgot?
            Or with the phrase "the state is not a mother" you want to put the following position: the state has the right to do what you want and when you want, and you are obligated to pay tribute to it how much they say and when I say it and it does not owe you anything, thank you for letting me breathe ?
            I exaggerated somewhat, but only for clarity, so I did not have to specify for a long time
          5. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 06: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: letinant
            Do you personally know this lady? And do you know her expenses?

            Do not know. She wrote about the cleaner.
            Quote: letinant
            Well, stop grinding stupidity already.

            You yourself are smashing nonsense about the plants where to go. In a fifteen-minute walking distance, 4 enterprises with the number of employees from one hundred and a half thousand people closed.
            Quote: letinant
            the state is not the mother who calms you.

            The gangster’s roof even understands when there’s nothing to take from a person.
          6. letinant
            letinant 7 May 2020 06: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: letinant
            Do you personally know this lady? And do you know her expenses?

            Do not know. She wrote about the cleaner.
            Quote: letinant
            Well, stop grinding stupidity already.

            You yourself are smashing nonsense about the plants where to go. In a fifteen-minute walking distance, 4 enterprises with the number of employees from one hundred and a half thousand people closed.
            Quote: letinant
            the state is not the mother who calms you.

            The gangster’s roof even understands when there’s nothing to take from a person.

            How old are you?
          7. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 06: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: letinant
            How old are you?

            Who cares?
          8. letinant
            letinant 7 May 2020 06: 43 New
            -1
            Great, to identify you as a further interlocutor.
          9. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 06: 45 New
            0
            Quote: letinant
            Great, to identify you as a further interlocutor.

            And at the same time we do not want to inform your years? I am between 45 and 50.
          10. letinant
            letinant 7 May 2020 06: 51 New
            -1
            Decide on the number 45 or 50. I am 41. Only then I do not understand your SPEC regarding crime
            The gangster’s roof even understands when there’s nothing to take from a person.
            . In my memory, the last thing was taken away from people, and salaries, and they killed people for the sake of money. But you probably lived in a different place where crime was completely noble, with one expression: "Robin Hoods!"
          11. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 06: 59 New
            0
            Quote: letinant
            Decide on the number 45 or 50.

            Want to find yourself. Tired of each counter-transverse to report their data.
            Quote: letinant
            In my memory, the last thing was taken away from people, and salaries, and they killed people for the sake of money.

            Everything was. But even they understood that there was nothing to take from a farmer until he raised potatoes, in contrast to the state, which began to engage in requisitions from the moment of registration.
          12. letinant
            letinant 7 May 2020 07: 30 New
            -1
            But even they understood that there was nothing to take from a farmer until he raised potatoes
            Are you laughing !? Crime digging potatoes, I would like to see it, but best selling it on the market. Well really laugh. It seems like an adult 45-50 years old and honestly, like a little.
          13. Greenwood
            Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 12 New
            0
            Quote: letinant
            Crime digging potatoes, I would like to see it, but best selling it on the market.
            Not a crime that digs potatoes, but a crime that collects a percentage (tribute, requisition, lave, which word do you like more) from the profit of the farmer from the sale of this same potato. For a 41-year-old person, you somehow think hard or do not specifically want to delve into the meaning of what they write here.
          14. letinant
            letinant 11 May 2020 15: 01 New
            0
            And who are you? I did not invite you into the conversation.
          15. Greenwood
            Greenwood 11 May 2020 15: 34 New
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            I don’t need anyone's invitation. Here everyone has the same rights. Many people take part in the discussions. It’s just funny for me to read how people write obvious things to you that you point blank refuse to understand and accept and take off all the blame on the business by removing it from the state. This is precisely the logic of domestic officials who will come up with 100500 reasons so as not to help the population.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 6 May 2020 12: 05 New
    -7
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Plant? Here is the closest to me, not counting MSC, about 60 kilometers

    You yourself built a house there yourself. Where you climbed, you live there. What are you forcibly sent there? And you didn’t immediately start doing business. Worked for "uncle"? After all, earned? Private business is a risk. You originally knew that. Why cry for a bad share?
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Now only hardcore, now only gray options.

    And do you want something from the state? Yes, it will come to you ... and pay tribute. And it will be right.
    1. Courier
      Courier 6 May 2020 13: 11 New
      -3
      Do not look at Kulikov anymore, you will be better off
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 May 2020 13: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Courier
        Do not look at Kulikov anymore, you will be better off

        It will be better for you if you do not advise what to watch and why not to watch. I’m a big boy, I’ll figure it out myself somehow .... wassat
    2. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 6 May 2020 17: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Plant? Here is the closest to me, not counting MSC, about 60 kilometers

      You yourself built a house there yourself. Where you climbed, you live there. What are you forcibly sent there? And you didn’t immediately start doing business. Worked for "uncle"? After all, earned? Private business is a risk. You originally knew that. Why cry for a bad share?
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Now only hardcore, now only gray options.

      And do you want something from the state? Yes, it will come to you ... and pay tribute. And it will be right.

      Lannan Shi is completely right. You did not personally engage in business, and all your reasoning is too general and vague. They heard something somewhere, but you don’t know the specifics, from the word at all.
      Now about the state. Nobody will come anywhere or charge anyone, unless you register yourself, i.e. only ride on those who voluntarily put on this clamp. Well, to a certain financial extent, of course.
      And it says my personal experience in business from 1998 to 2018. Even when I tried to directly complain about their competitors, who, unlike me, worked in gray, along with the permitted goods, they imported the sanction, it was not necessary for anyone.
      No tax, I know, they just decided there.
      Neither the Rosselkhoznadzor, this was directly told to me by an employee who seemed to be at first interested: the chief said your initiative, yours and responsibility. Practice, but if suddenly something goes wrong or falls apart in court, you will be the last. And I need it, be extreme.
      Not in the police: you imagine how many requests you need to write in different regions. Now, if I said where they have black bookkeeping, then yes. And the fact that you show their invoices without seals with an authorization means that they will simply refuse them and that’s all, they’ll say they purchased the goods for themselves.
      And lots of several hundred thousand rubles are of little interest to anyone, although they were delivered twice a week.

      And whoever imported large quantities and packaged up the sanction, everyone in trade knew about this. Because along with the cheese labels were issued separately: the glue itself, we have no time, what kind of glue?

      So, all Voronezh knew, and they worked and are working. And I, working in white, closed in 2018. And now, I agree with Lannan Shi,
      Without a single penny of taxes. If the state kicks me into the shadows with kicks ... So it will be so.


      PS So do not tell tales about the interaction of the state and the white business, just do not know.
      By the way, I have a friend from the construction industry who is also thinking of closing. After the tax authorities had already twisted their hands twice to pay VAT for a foreign company, which also did contracts in a row on agricultural enterprise and mutila with VAT. The acquaintance’s business is white, and you need to look for those in another region, but this one in his hands. They made demands twice, threatened to block accounts. He says that he almost got into a tax fight. He paid twice (amounts of several million rubles), then he really applied for a refund in the next quarter, because it is not legal, he paid his taxes. So the director, after this resigned, is also not ready to work in white and still be responsible for someone he does not know. And all the fault is that they did the contracts at the same enterprise.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 May 2020 19: 44 New
        -2
        Quote: Leshy1975
        And it says my personal experience in business from 1998 to 2018.

        I do not doubt the scale of your experience. But you, as an old general, are preparing for yesterday’s war. And the situation is changing, and quite quickly. Just a couple of years ago, proposals on establishing control over the expenditures of citizens went through the Duma. And these are not disembodied dreams, as here about the USSR. These proposals went because it was possible to implement this decision. But then they did not accept him. Three months ago, Mishustin demonstrated to Putin how it is possible to track a specific buyer and, on the whole, on-line, all the trading activities of an individual legal entity. Last year, if I’m not mistaken, the banking community, represented by the main banks, agreed to monitor the “doubtful” transfers of citizens. Does this mean anything to you? No? Well, sleep peacefully, the surprise will be ... About the same as pension reform. Since 2005, it has become clear that this will not end in good. Whoever understood this, took action, and today is confident of retiring to his legal 60, if he wants. Who did not understand, then today in longing for an extra five-year period. Fair wind ... laughing
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Hagen
          Fair wind ...
          I can’t understand why are you happy ?! Do you think all of the above will not affect you?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 11 May 2020 14: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            I can’t understand why are you happy ?!

            Where did you get the idea that I am happy? I have my own problems on this side. On the other hand, the more people “fall into” thoughtlessly, the greater are the chances of those who are trying to think.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Where did you get the idea that I am happy?
              And why these broadly smiling emoticons and the sarcastic tone of the message, from which it appears that you see some kind of superiority over other forum users? Are you by any chance an administration official?
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 11 May 2020 14: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              sarcastic tone of message

              Sarcasm does not mean joy in the event. It is rather an attempt to induce thoughts rather than narcissism with yesterday's experience.
  • Revival
    Revival 7 May 2020 06: 01 New
    0
    And why is it going to be right, if it itself is never and it should not?
    Although if you consider that you used the term "tribute", you probably meant then the enemy, the exploiter, then the question disappears. In this case, there is no question of justice, tribute to that and tribute
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  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    Private business is a risk. You originally knew that. Why cry for a bad share?
    Private business is a risk, no one argues with this. Many burn out due to unprofitability, lack of customers, demand, and many reasons. But such a thing that the state will forcefully close you, depriving you of the opportunity to work and make a profit, while continuing to demand a standard set of taxes and fees from you, no one expected. This happened in other countries, only for some reason the state began to allocate money to the population and small business (3 trillion in the USA, 100-300k yen in Japan, etc.). We have a lash. With this approach, not a single successful businessman will survive. The difference will only be how long this or that business will last, a month or two or three. But eventually everything will burn out, sooner or later.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 11 May 2020 14: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      But such that the state will forcefully close you, making it impossible to work and make a profit

      Do you think that an extra couple of tens of thousands of lives is a reasonable price for that small business that is experiencing difficulties? Or do you want to blame the state for the development of this pandemic?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 31 New
        0
        I believe that the state should play by the rules and keep a balance. Denying the right to work and earn money to the population and business — free them from taxes or compensate for their losses (as was done in all developed countries). The state has a financial pillow, unlike the majority of the population and small business, this is available.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 11 May 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Greenwood
          I believe that the state should play by the rules and keep a balance

          I think that the state itself must first survive, calculate the losses at the end of the pandemic, and then determine the sources and addresses of assistance. Along the way, I would like to note that it is in small business that the bulk of the “gray” tax evasion schemes sit. Of course, I will not rebuke the moaning here. Any charge must have a specific addressee with an investigation of its tricks. But statistics is inexorable, and the general picture of small business is even described here. Along the way, I’ll answer - I’m not an official, I’m a mercenary and also suffer from a fading economy in a pandemic. But there are thoughts and pre-taken measures to mitigate threats.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 11 May 2020 15: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Hagen
            that the state itself must first survive, calculate the losses at the end of the pandemic, and then determine the sources and addresses of assistance
            It is surprising that the governments of other, much more successful countries, which for some reason help here and now, and not once there afterwards, when very many will burn out, do not think so, and a large-scale economic and political crisis really breaks out in the country.
            Quote: Hagen
            Along the way, I would like to note that it is in small business that the bulk of the “gray” tax evasion schemes sit.
            I understand correctly, on this basis it is possible to “close” all businessmen, both honest and dishonest, to deprive them of the opportunity to earn money, while denying them help, but demanding to pay taxes as before ?! And you didn’t think that then, in the future, when everything settles down, the trust in the state on the part of business will be completely undermined, and even those businessmen who tried to work cleanly will switch to gray schemes ?!
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 12 May 2020 06: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            It is surprising that the governments of other, much more successful countries that somehow help here and now do not think so

            Well yes. According to Juan and sombrero. In addition, assistance by the Russian government is still being provided. I will not delve into the subtleties, because I myself do not need it and do not track it in detail. But yesterday, the gross domestic product of the hour was telling to whom, to what extent it will be provided.
            Quote: Greenwood
            I understand correctly, on this basis it is possible to “close” all businessmen, both honest and dishonest, to deprive them of the opportunity to earn money, while denying them help, but demanding to pay taxes as before ?!

            No, it’s not right. Those working on gray schemes will be assisted as they are legitimate in their work. What's so surprising? Again, listen to GDP, he told everything.
            Quote: Greenwood
            And you didn’t think that then, in the future, when everything settles down, business confidence in the state will be completely undermined

            Are you so worried about those who steal from the state that the thought arises - are you from the "gray zone"? So, in your opinion, can tax evasion be possible, and the deceived state should still help the deceiver?
            Quote: Greenwood
            and even those businessmen who tried to work cleanly will switch to gray schemes ?!

            Business operates according to a transparent scheme, not least because the state is capable of compelling them to do this with its repressive apparatus. Someone manages to go into "grayness", they are "caught and drained."
  • depressant
    depressant 6 May 2020 11: 42 New
    +9
    Letinat colleague, here you are offering people to go into agribusiness. So let's see how attractive this type of activity is from the experience of the current economic era.
    On April 27, a statement was published on the legal information website stating that the Russian government allocated 750 million rubles from the United Nations to control locusts in African countries ($ 10 million). How relevant for us!
    At this time, MK reports that in the Kuban in the village of Otrada a farmer has ripened a radish in the amount of 20 tons. Mountain radish! Wonderful radish! But Perekrestok didn’t come for it - for the radish 15 rubles each from the farmer and because of logistics, salaries and the necessary mass of profit - 129,9 rubles each from the store. Buyers have no money, demand has fallen sharply, radishes will be destroyed.
    Further, in another place near the roadway, several dump trucks of greenhouse cucumbers were dumped, people from the nearest villages dismantled them with bags, stopped to pack cars. I believe there are many such cases and there will be many more. Because we are helping Africa, and there is no one to support their farmers - the Crossroads will be supported, I have no doubt. Psychologists say there will be suicides. In the United States, the percentage of suicides among farmers has risen sharply. And since we’ll scramble out for at least two years - not from the coronavirus, but from the economic crisis, which is clumsily covered by the virus, I believe that we should not hope for attractiveness and flourishing of farming in the absence of state support.
    1. letinant
      letinant 6 May 2020 12: 07 New
      -3
      depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova)
      Do you have any other topics besides money ?! What the hell is suicide !? Well, he didn’t get the profit he was counting on and what, life stopped? He has food, his family will not die of hunger. How old are you? In the "golden nineties", they were only saved by subsistence farming. Do you think a farmer needs to make money and then buy food? By the way, miracles, radishes and cucumbers, how did you determine, personally or from a photograph? And 10 million. for Africa, how will they help farmers? You want the state not to intervene, not interfere, what are you not happy with now? You will not understand! If you want help from the state, PLAY OUTDOOR and follow the laws. As in China, there, you will not withdraw money abroad, pay ALL TAXES and still yell loudly that this is the fairest state.
      1. depressant
        depressant 6 May 2020 13: 27 New
        +5
        Colleague, do not get excited))
        Not photos - videos. The farmer broke open the radish and demonstrated its inside. And yes, a beautiful Kuban radish. But she is not needed. But the Israeli, for example, in my village on the shelves year-round.
        So why do farmers commit suicide both in our country and, say, in the USA? Because initially these people did not have enough start-up capital for farming. Equipment, fuel, storage, fertilizers, seeds (professionals can add a lot of things) - almost all of this was taken a loan and, as you know, not small. The interest on the loan, taxes, unforeseen household expenses, house and family are covered from the proceeds for the crop. Money is being set aside for new seeds and fuel supplies for the next season. If things are going well, then after 5 years, and this is in the best case, and most likely after 10, the farmer goes to zero, that is, already owes nothing to anyone and can slowly save up money. It should not, except for the annual payment for the rental of land - it is hardly its own! ..
        I repeat, this is ideal. And if the crop failure? Disaster? Cattle deaths or what happens to them there? When because of the virus you need to cut all the animals. Or a sharp increase in prices for fodder, seeds, fertilizers. Lack of demand for products due to the general economic crisis. This is ruin, and give the percentage, pay taxes, rent land payment. So it turns out that farm life is not at all grandmothers in your pocket to be considered stubby fingers, but hard work and eternal fear.
        1. letinant
          letinant 6 May 2020 15: 12 New
          0
          Quote: depressant
          Colleague, do not get excited))
          Not photos - videos. The farmer broke open the radish and demonstrated its inside. And yes, a beautiful Kuban radish. But she is not needed. But the Israeli, for example, in my village on the shelves year-round.
          So why do farmers commit suicide both in our country and, say, in the USA? Because initially these people did not have enough start-up capital for farming. Equipment, fuel, storage, fertilizers, seeds (professionals can add a lot of things) - almost all of this was taken a loan and, as you know, not small. The interest on the loan, taxes, unforeseen household expenses, house and family are covered from the proceeds for the crop. Money is being set aside for new seeds and fuel supplies for the next season. If things are going well, then after 5 years, and this is in the best case, and most likely after 10, the farmer goes to zero, that is, already owes nothing to anyone and can slowly save up money. It should not, except for the annual payment for the rental of land - it is hardly its own! ..
          I repeat, this is ideal. And if the crop failure? Disaster? Cattle deaths or what happens to them there? When because of the virus you need to cut all the animals. Or a sharp increase in prices for fodder, seeds, fertilizers. Lack of demand for products due to the general economic crisis. This is ruin, and give the percentage, pay taxes, rent land payment. So it turns out that farm life is not at all grandmothers in your pocket to be considered stubby fingers, but hard work and eternal fear.

          I read your SPEC and the question, why take a loan? Listen, in this case read. I don’t know where you live, why in your understanding, if the farmer is sure to land tens of hectares! In my village, where my relatives live now. A man lives, there are not enough stars from the sky. First I bought a walk-behind tractor, cultivated, sold. I saved up, bought a small tractor, took the land for rent. Now I saved up, took a bigger tractor, trailers for it (it takes envy), rented even more land. A person works, does not go into debt. You immediately, the field from edge to edge. What would technology, like a motor depot and all this credit. Risks need to be calculated.
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 May 2020 14: 24 New
        0
        Quote: letinant
        As in China, there, you will not withdraw money abroad, pay ALL TAXES and still yell loudly that this is the fairest state.
        I will remind you for reference. In China, the first year low taxation for business. This measure makes it possible for a novice businessman to spin up and start making a profit, rather than groaning under the yoke of endless checking structures and taxes.
        In China, they imposed strict quarantine, but citizens received material assistance, up to the delivery of food to apartments in the same Wuhan. What is made of this in Russia?
        1. letinant
          letinant 11 May 2020 15: 13 New
          0
          [quoteI will remind you for reference. In China, the first year of reduced taxation for business. This measure makes it possible for a novice businessman to spin up and start making a profit, rather than groaning under the yoke of endless checking structures and taxes.
          In China, they imposed strict quarantine, but citizens received material assistance, up to the delivery of food to apartments in the same Wuhan. What is made of this in Russia?] [/ Quote]
          First question, were you during the Wuhan epidemic? They didn’t deliver food there, once every two days, one family member could go to the nearest store to buy groceries. Exactly the same regime now in Suifunhe. Well, read the Chinese press, at least in translation. Especially judging by the photo of the avatar, you live nearby.
          The second question, 4% for the self-employed. Is this not an indulgence in starting a business? A lunatic for IP? Three years, Carl, three you pay at a reduced rate. Go to China, open your own business and share emotions, there is a double circuit of the economy and if you got into the business inside the country, figs you will withdraw money abroad without permission. The same policy is in Israel.
  • Eroma
    Eroma 6 May 2020 13: 53 New
    +1
    You are wrong in condemning entrepreneurs in greed and greed! Any entrepreneur gives work to at least 3 fellow citizens, and form a market for everyone, including powerful plants!
    at the same time, the state speaks only on television of its concern, and in fact treats entrepreneurs as crooks and deceivers! Just demanding not real and not giving no damn!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 6 May 2020 09: 06 New
    +4
    Thanks to the government, exit from Moscow is still permitted. And the infection spread all over the country. If, at the very beginning, entry from the focal point countries was banned, the capital was closed, then there would be fewer sick and dead in the regions.
    1. letinant
      letinant 6 May 2020 11: 13 New
      -6
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Thanks to the government, exit from Moscow is still permitted. And the infection spread all over the country. If, at the very beginning, entry from the focal point countries was banned, the capital was closed, then there would be fewer sick and dead in the regions.

      They asked, citizens do not fly, there is an infection. And in response, we’ve already bought everything, maybe it’ll blow it, it didn’t. Do not let them go home, they sit, howl they save, sorry. They asked to sit at home for 2 weeks, break the connection of the spread of the virus, identify infected. AND? everyone rushed to barbecue, because they had never seen meat before. The number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not allow at least one person to be delivered to each house.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 6 May 2020 12: 34 New
        +2
        In addition to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is the Russian Guard and the army. It would only be a desire.
        1. letinant
          letinant 6 May 2020 13: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: 7,62x54
          In addition to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is the Russian Guard and the army. It would only be a desire.

          The number of houses in Moscow and the number of employees compare. Or to collect from all over Russia to Moscow?
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 6 May 2020 14: 25 New
            +3
            If necessary, this is possible. And no need to put a guard at every home. It was necessary to block roads, stations, airports. Now why shake your spears. Dear Leader, if he says "the epidemic has ended," then it will end.
            1. letinant
              letinant 6 May 2020 15: 22 New
              0
              Quote: 7,62x54
              If necessary, this is possible. And no need to put a guard at every home. It was necessary to block roads, stations, airports. Now why shake your spears. Dear Leader, if he says "the epidemic has ended," then it will end.

              And in the city where the infection is, let everyone reboot, so do you think? What a humanist you are.
              1. 7,62h54
                7,62h54 6 May 2020 15: 37 New
                0
                You argue as a true come in the MKAD. Since they themselves could not observe cleanliness and quarantine in the house, so it was necessary to spoil the neighbors. Behave in the capital like spoiled majors.
      2. alone
        alone 6 May 2020 13: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: letinant
        everyone rushed to barbecue, because they had never seen meat before. The number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not allow at least one person to be delivered to each house.

        Greetings .. Yes, in part you are right .. But ... THE EXTENSION OF HOLIDAYS was announced with the preservation of wages .. I won’t touch on how this is so right in view of the Labor Code, etc. .. Since no one else for the holidays I didn’t pay my salary ... A clear quarantine was not declared (self-isolation you agree is not quarantine) .. But the emergency and emergency situations were not announced because the state would have to take financial obligations .. And the state institutions did not want to take it on themselves ..

        That's why, having heard about the holidays, a certain part of the habit ran to barbecue ...
        1. letinant
          letinant 6 May 2020 13: 38 New
          +2
          But the emergency and emergency situations were not announced due to the fact that the state would have to assume financial obligations .. And the state institutions did not want to take it on themselves ..
          Well, first explain the difference between emergency and emergency. We are now living in emergency situations. But if they introduce an emergency. First, the state requisitioning the property necessary to eliminate the state of emergency, I repeat requisition! And not the fact that you get it back. They will not give you money yet, at all, you will receive rations by cards, because the products must be distributed to everyone. Also, if necessary, you will be mobilized for work, but you will not receive money, because you get a food card. Well and also, if necessary, you can be evicted from your home (evacuation, demolition of a building to liquidate an emergency, a place is needed for emergency liquidators, and much more). BE AFRAID OF YOUR DESIRE, THEY MAY BE FULL! But people just asked to sit at home.
          Secondly, we hoped for the responsibility of citizens, I really hope the government has no illusions, and now it will kick citizens when necessary. To the citizens themselves, when you speak with them in a good way, it does not reach.
          1. alone
            alone 6 May 2020 14: 02 New
            +5
            Quote: letinant
            First, the state requisitioning the property necessary to eliminate the state of emergency, I repeat requisition!

            No need to scare people .. countries that declared an emergency or emergency with a pandemic, didn’t requisition anything from anyone ... this time ..
            Secondly, in order to defeat the virus, it is not necessary to evict anyone from the house ... PPPs should have been announced due to the pandemic with the announcement of the curfew for a certain period so that people stayed at home. Then, few would go to barbecue.
            Thirdly ... Having declared state of emergency a certain obligation about finance
            of the population ... Well, tell me, everything is closed, people are sitting at home, people are running out of money .. What should they do? Not those who run in barbecue, but the absolute majority who sit only on wages ... And real help is not enough who saw ...
            And yet ... They are talking about the mask mode .. Where to get them, if doctors are advised to make these masks with their own hands ..
            Blaming the people for all sins is simple ... The people in power are always to blame for the people ..
            1. letinant
              letinant 6 May 2020 15: 19 New
              0
              Quote: lonely
              Quote: letinant
              First, the state requisitioning the property necessary to eliminate the state of emergency, I repeat requisition!

              No need to scare people .. countries that declared an emergency or emergency with a pandemic, didn’t requisition anything from anyone ... this time ..
              Secondly, in order to defeat the virus, it is not necessary to evict anyone from the house ... PPPs should have been announced due to the pandemic with the announcement of the curfew for a certain period so that people stayed at home. Then, few would go to barbecue.
              Thirdly ... Having declared state of emergency a certain obligation about finance
              of the population ... Well, tell me, everything is closed, people are sitting at home, people are running out of money .. What should they do? Not those who run in barbecue, but the absolute majority who sit only on wages ... And real help is not enough who saw ...
              And yet ... They are talking about the mask mode .. Where to get them, if doctors are advised to make these masks with their own hands ..
              Blaming the people for all sins is simple ... The people in power are always to blame for the people ..

              First, you live now in countries where an emergency is declared. Let me remind you that there was declared quarantine and not an emergency. This is an emergency!
              Secondly, read the law, the difference is described there. I will not reprint these articles. Self-develop and do not vote, judging by the fact that you have an INTERNET that works, so you have money for food.
              1. alone
                alone 6 May 2020 15: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: letinant
                Secondly, read the law, the difference is described there. I will not reprint these articles. Self-develop and do not vote, judging by the fact that you have an INTERNET that works, so you have money for food.

                I never thought that having the Internet is considered a luxury ... Although maybe it is considered so for you, maybe .. Well about the money, I get a salary and live on this money .. I live, of course, not like oligarchs, but enough to feed my family. I wish this to every person who is the head of the family.
                .
                Quote: letinant
                First, you live now in countries where an emergency is declared. Let me remind you that there was declared quarantine and not an emergency. This is an emergency!

                There are countries where the state of emergency is declared, where is the emergency, where is the Quarantine .. In Russia, holidays with self-isolation are declared .. This is now in the regions in certain cities the closed regime is announced .. In Khasavyurt in Dagestan for example .. There is no concept of a vacation with self-isolation in the law hi
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 May 2020 06: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: letinant
                Self-develop and don’t vote, judging by the fact that you have INTERNET

                And how, in fact, is the Internet different from a wired radio, for which 50 kopecks were paid in the USSR? The presence of 2 extra wiring? Our developing.
      3. Courier
        Courier 6 May 2020 13: 21 New
        +1
        Kebabs, mashliks everything is clear.
        Every day in the Moscow metro 3 million people .
        3 million, crowded, riding in a confined space, every day


        What kind of barbecue, dear?
        1. alone
          alone 6 May 2020 13: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Courier
          Kebabs, mashliks everything is clear.
          Every day, 3 million people enter the Moscow metro.
          3 million, crowded, riding in a confined space, every day

          Until the metro is closed, the infection will spread ..
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 6 May 2020 15: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Courier
          Every day, 3 million people enter the Moscow metro.
          3 million, crowded, riding in a confined space, every day

          one day, April 15, the beginning of the verification of digital passes ... and after 2 weeks, the result
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 6 May 2020 15: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: letinant
        The number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not allow at least one person to be delivered to each house.

        and they do not get sick?
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 6 May 2020 09: 13 New
    +8
    Quote: Hagen
    You yourself are alive and prosperous only through the efforts of that state,

    I am very sorry, but everything that you say was done by the state.
    It changed the state standards, made organs extorting from the controlling bodies.
    Accidents, fires, gas explosions are all consequences of the actions of the state.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 09: 50 New
      -17
      Yes, that there is a state, it is Putin who is to blame for fires, accidents and explosions. And the flood he too !.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 May 2020 10: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Yes, that there is a state, it is Putin who is to blame for fires, accidents and explosions. And the flood he too !.

        If you doubt it, then these are your problems, present and future.
  • depressant
    depressant 6 May 2020 09: 16 New
    +3
    Hagen colleague, you think correctly.
    But.
    Our small business is just getting on its feet and feels shaky. He is not sure about tomorrow. He is afraid of ruin, competition, raiding. Therefore, he tries to snatch faster, do not give a damn about the laws of conscience and the rules established by the state, so that in case of case he can escape with the accumulated. And, imagine, the regulatory authorities themselves contribute a lot to this. Instead of protecting small businesses from raiding, the police, together with the administration of the settlement, are involved either in raider seizure of the enterprise or levy their own “tax” on it. Supervisory authorities do not insist on correcting deficiencies, limiting themselves to a bribe. For example, next to me is a liquor store located in an unacceptable proximity to a kindergarten. So what? Trade! Such control behavior corrupts the business. And only competition can correct the situation. But she is not. The administration of the settlement, which is interested in collecting tribute from its submissive ones, strangers, even meeting all the requirements of the law in its activities, will not let it into its territory.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 6 May 2020 09: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      Our small business is just getting on its feet and feels shaky. He is not sure about tomorrow. He is afraid of ruin, competition, raiding. Therefore, he tries to snatch faster, do not give a damn about the laws of conscience and the rules established by the state, so that in case of case he can escape with the accumulated.

      This is all done by specific people, entrepreneurs. And not because they are wobbling on their feet, but to what they consider to be an entirely acceptable way of living in this world and in our society that way, spitting on the rules, capturing the weaker, ruining the less successful. These are properties of our mentality, not conditions. Look at our small business entrepreneurs. As soon as the volumes and workers appeared, he himself only manages for a large salary. And he strives to transfer his employees to GP contracts so that they would not be deducted a pension. And it will be long enough. Revolutions do not occur in the heads of people; there is only gradual development. Exactly the same in other areas, for example, in the system of administrative management. It is here on the resource that all are so honest and disinterested. And all because they are anonymous, and who knows what lies behind faceless nicknames. But the fact that 40% of the able-bodied population works in gray schemes (according to the Federal State Statistics Service) speaks for itself. Remove the grains and the budget, where the "gray" does not work, the NSR remains (not the northern sea route laughing ) as the main supplying gray circuits. And their conscience allows them to first avoid taxes, and then demand support from the state from the pants.
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 6 May 2020 10: 48 New
        +1
        Not without reason, being in the post of Minister of Economic Development of Russia, Maxim Oreshkin designated just small business as the driving force of this. As of today, it makes up more than 20% of the total national economy, providing employment for about 20 million Russians. In the same Moscow, according to Sergei Sobyanin, it is small business that provides up to a quarter of all tax revenues.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 6 May 2020 11: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: maiman61
          Maxim Oreshkin designated just small business as the driving force of such.

          Not a very smart designation. Nowhere in the world does the country's economy rest on the NSR. Everywhere, the economy is run by TNCs.
          1. maiman61
            maiman61 6 May 2020 16: 37 New
            -1
            Can you read letters?
      2. depressant
        depressant 6 May 2020 12: 15 New
        +1
        Hagen colleague, and I’ll tell you that the payment of money to employees in a white way does not protect the entrepreneur from the requirements of conditional controllers to pay tribute to them, controllers, in black. Defects will always be found if desired! No matter how the entrepreneur tries.
        That's when law enforcement officers stop raiding in the bud, gangster incursions, reduce the bribe-taking of controllers to zero and curb their own desire to profit at someone else's expense - and then one can angrily demand white wages from entrepreneurs. Yes, and that is unlikely. Unemployment, you know. Excess labor. Capitalism, in a word.
        1. Eroma
          Eroma 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
          -1
          Salary taxes must be paid by the employee! Then the black salary will disappear as a concept! People will get financial literacy! The government has a real picture of the financial situation of people! Then you can make a balanced supra-system for the population! Then it will be possible to create effective mechanisms to support those in need!
          Instead of trying to fight with entrepreneurs and force them to pay taxes for their employees, regardless of the entrepreneur’s ability to pay these taxes
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 6 May 2020 11: 06 New
      +4
      I always understood the “adequacy” of the Russian authorities in making decisions based on their resources, capabilities, and most importantly, “desires”:
    3. letinant
      letinant 6 May 2020 11: 06 New
      -2
      For example, next to me is a liquor store located in an unacceptable proximity to a kindergarten. So what? Trade! Such control behavior corrupts the business. And only competition can correct the situation.
      Open a store at the same distance from kindergarten but on the other hand? Write to the prosecutor, there is a site "Kremlin". I think they are silky. For example, they dug up a yard for me and did nothing for a month. I called the company, they kindly sent me. I’m in the prosecutor’s office, the next day such a stir began, ofigel himself.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 6 May 2020 10: 47 New
    +6
    Talking with your tongue, no mind! But open a small business and teach us how to work! I would really appreciate it! And you know that part of the fines goes to the inspectors and the heads of the PLAN for each department fixes who MUCH TO EARN! This is primarily consumer supervision and tax! These fairy tales about the inspectors who care about the people are fairy tales for fools!
  • unaha
    unaha 6 May 2020 11: 27 New
    0
    "Say" checking-extorting "? And how without them?"
    It’s approximately the way it is done in developed countries — by unconditional judicial recovery of SIGNIFICANT sums for the damage caused, namely to the injured, and not to the state (as is often the case with us). It’s another matter that for a start it will be necessary to radically change the entire judicial law enforcement practice (and together with people). Here, as the most striking example - "exceeding the necessary self-defense", i.e. first you get a sharpening in the liver, and then you can hit the attacker’s head with a brick, if of course you’re still alive.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 6 May 2020 12: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: unaha
      Here, as the most striking example - "exceeding the necessary self-defense", i.e. first you get a sharpening in the liver, and then you can hit the attacker’s head with a brick, if you’re still alive, of course.

      You’re contradicting yourself with this phrase. By your logic, which of the poisoned survives, he will file a lawsuit? You already somehow decide ...
      1. unaha
        unaha 6 May 2020 13: 01 New
        0
        This example relates to the need for changes in judicial practice. With regard to poisoning in particular, in my opinion the inevitability of paying high compensations and, accordingly, responsibility to specific clients, is the best incentive to avoid those than a bunch of people who can pay off and responsibility to the state with which it is also quite possible to "resolve" issues.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 May 2020 13: 37 New
          +3
          Unaha colleague, a very reasonable proposal, I actively support. But who will deprive the "testers" of the feeder?
          Here we need not to smash a private trader, but a system of control over a private trader. In general, as far as I remember, there were claims. The compensation is ridiculous. Because citizens do not bother.
          1. unaha
            unaha 6 May 2020 14: 32 New
            0
            I will not undertake to cite specific cases now, but I remember there were situations when, according to a court order, the victim was paid several thousand, and the fine in favor of the state was not even tens, hundreds of times higher.
  • New
    New Year day 6 May 2020 11: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Hagen
    And how without them? Or did the public catering (cafes, culinary and other) stop poisoning the population with not high-quality, or even just dangerous products?

    1. alone
      alone 6 May 2020 13: 07 New
      +4
      Yes, it happened and then all that is .. But .. first they were silent about it ... And secondly, USSR Medicine and Russian Medicine are two different concepts ...
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
      +4
      Remember how a cucumber from a manicured bed was torn and eaten, maximum, after wiping on a T-shirt laughing
      But here’s what happens: ".... It was established that in December 2018, food was prepared from the raw materials of the supplier of Vito-1 LLC in seven schools of the Eastern District of Moscow. After these products got into the canteens, 67 cases of illness of students and school staff with dysentery and shigella, said the agency interlocutor .... "You, as a doctor, should understand that without the on-load tap-changer, this would be much more common.
  • Eroma
    Eroma 6 May 2020 12: 25 New
    +3
    There are different entrepreneurs, and it’s not just that they force you to be responsible to the population! And insanity, for example, when you have 2 truck drivers and you have to have TWO engineers for them: on road safety and car maintenance! At the same time, the driver of the IP does not put forward such requirements, he is a pro in everything, and your children are small children!
    When the tax system is crooked and you are responsible for paying taxes for yourself and that guy! As an example, the dispatcher: he has a customer, a VAT payer, and the driver is on a run, hiring his dispatcher to pay VAT from the entire rate! For the Moscow-Novosibirsk flight, the rate is 200 thousand, VAT is 40 thousand, and the dispatcher earns only 5% 10 thousand! This is a robbery, the driver pays salary, the VAT pays, on the spare parts the VAT pays, but the whole paid VAT is canceled on it! And the dispatcher must pay it again in full! And instead of 2 thousand he has to pay 40, how? People spend energy and money and that to leave 40 and pay 2 thousand as it should! But after 3 years the tax accuses the person of evasion and demands to sell the apartment, so that people pay VAT!
    On the basis of FZ115, accounts are blocked for people and banks require 20% of the amount in the account to release the rest of the money without explaining the reasons for the blocking! Believe me, a block only happens when you have a sum of millions! ...
    And there are lots of such examples, when the advance payments for the profit tax are more than your profit ...
  • Sergey Zhikharev
    Sergey Zhikharev 6 May 2020 14: 04 New
    +3
    I don’t know, maybe you are an entrepreneur, but I judge the measures of state control as a consumer of services. Say "checking-extorting"? And how without them? Or did the public catering (cafes, culinary and other) stop poisoning the population with not high-quality, or even just dangerous products? Have you forgotten how dozens of children were taken from schools and camps to hospitals with intestinal poisoning?

    I am not an entrepreneur, but I will defend him. Since you don’t like catering, we can do without it.
    1. Seedling trader. I buy seeds, grow them, and when they reach the right condition I sell them. We say 3 months for seedlings: in 1 month, I planted in the 3rd; I sold it. And now I have seedlings that need to be sold, and a self-isolation mode has been announced. I can’t sell it - otherwise, a fine, non-compliance with the regime. Seedlings remain unsold, and continue to grow. If you do not plant it, it is pulled into the arrow and is useless for sale. And if you plant it - where? I don’t have areas for planting; everything is compelled by seedlings. As a result, 90% of the seedlings disappear. No profit, only losses. At the same time, I still have to pay for the workplace - but why?
    2. I trade dogs and cats. There is a litter from bitches and cats, reach the age of 2-5 months - sale. Now quarantine, self-isolation, and all animals must be kept. And they eat. They are growing. Time passes when the puppy is easy to train - its price is reduced. But new ones are born, only enclosures are not released. Losses are coming, but rent must be paid. And I still have workers working for whom I have to pay a salary - but why? The fact that everyone understands that there is no money, you can’t feed the belly.
    3. Opened an Internet cafe, the calculation of 25 people per hour. Self-isolation, you can’t get to the cafe, and even if you go through that public place, no more than 2-3 people per hour. Profit is minimal. Pay rent, pay employees.
    He doesn’t sit on the trading floor and communicates with the people more by telephone or indirectly through managers of the “middle” level. The people who visit them or work for them will begin to get sick. Here he is obviously less sorry for them than profit.

    In addition to caronovirus, there are other diseases. Influenza, tuberculosis - with a mortality rate of 100 thousand a year, but for some reason there’s no panic like "today’s 90 thousandth TB case". There are cores, diabetics - and again there is no panic. In Russia, for example, in 2017, almost a quarter of a million people were injured in road accidents in 18 (217 thousand dead and 1 thousand wounded https://522047gai.ru/publ/2018-gibdd-opublikovala-godovuyu-statistiku-dtp-za- XNUMX-god.html), statistics for other years will not differ much. Where is the panic about the traffic accident pandemic?
    For some reason, we are addicted to faulting the government, and it is precisely thanks to the measures taken by it that we do not collect thousands of infected corpses on a daily basis by refrigerated trucks, as in one "very prosperous" country. A pandemic is not an initiative of our government, it is a disaster that must be fought together, not to spit on each other’s shoes and not to oppose society

    "What is a transitional age? This is when with children's rights and responsibilities, you are given adult responsibilities, but not adult rights." The situation in the Russian Federation directly on this joke.
    Option 1, caronovirus is not worse than SARS. Observe precautions, patients wear masks, do cleaning more often, wash your hands when coming from the street. Everything works, everyone lives in a normal rhythm.
    Option 2 caronovirus, there is a pandemic such as plague, smallpox, cholera. Emergency situations are introduced in the country, citizens must stay at home, violation of quarantine is a criminal liability. Little work, but all losses are written off due to force majeure.
    And what are we observing? There is a pandemic, but no emergency has been introduced, you can walk with the dog, but you cannot. Medical facilities (masks, medicines, lemons, ginger) come with a 3rd extra charge (a mask cost 3 rubles, now 30 rubles!) But these are items in the midst of a pandemic!
    YES must be dealt with together. Gazprom’s profit is falling, and we must help it to get lost profits - cheers to raising gas prices.
  • Civil
    Civil 6 May 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    The petty bourgeoisie) but in fact people had to start all this.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 6 May 2020 12: 51 New
    -3
    Raise the fifth point, and to the village! you always survive there! and don’t just whine! got whiners!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 May 2020 08: 12 New
    +5
    The problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care ..... still a moratorium on bankruptcy was introduced.
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 May 2020 09: 45 New
      +2
      According to the newspaper Vedomosti, entrepreneurs sharply criticize measures to support small and medium-sized businesses. A minimum wage for employees' salaries is very small, but not in comparison with what people received before the crisis, but if possible they can survive on this money. Especially if the breadwinner in the family is one. A business support program for 2,8% of GDP is very small compared to business support by developed economies, taking into account our huge reserves, low public debt and low inflation.
      Finance Minister Siluanov objects: we will not drop money from helicopters, and that’s it! We will support those who need it in the first place. We will not write off anything to you, we will not radically change taxes, do not count! But dividends will be paid to shareholders of state-owned companies. At least 50% of the profit.
      Apparently, these are the most needy. Especially Gazprom and Rosneft.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 May 2020 10: 07 New
        +1
        Everything that is introduced in the support plan is then edited using various amendments. For example, "vacation" 3 months on the Mortgage ... Payments to large families ...
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 6 May 2020 11: 28 New
          +4
          Support small business? Those whom "he" called "swindlers"? Are you laughing? Until now, they have not understood for the sake of the interests of “whom”, does our “regime” work? ... lol
          That's who he supports (quickly and in a timely manner) yes ):
          The Ministry of Finance has reduced oil export duties from $ 52 per tonne in April to $ 6,8 in May. The duty on highly viscous oil was reduced from $ 5,2 to $ 1 per ton, for light petroleum products and oils - to $ 2, for dark - to $ 6,8.

          The duty on the sale of commercial gasoline abroad was reduced from $ 28,6 per ton to $ 2, straight-run (naphtha) - to $ 3,7. The tax on liquefied natural gas and on pure fractions of liquefied hydrocarbon gases will not be levied at all, and on coke it will decrease from $ 3,3 to $ 0,4.

          https://lenta.ru/brief/2020/05/01/may/
  • Esaul
    Esaul 6 May 2020 08: 12 New
    +5
    Stronger measures are needed to support small businesses, and not this pseudo-support in the form of deferred payments. It is necessary to exempt small businesses from all taxes for at least 2-3 months.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 6 May 2020 08: 35 New
      +5
      so what, from these 2-3 months, everything will come to life at once ??? ... all this crap ...
      in order to at least somehow revive the situation, MONEY and MONEY are needed once again ... MONEY ... they are the blood of that misunderstanding that is called our economy ...
      monetization in the Russian Federation for 2019 was about 45% ... starting from the crisis of 2008, our eggheads from the government decided to fight inflation in the simplest way - there is no money from scrapers and no inflation from Rosstat ...
      for example ... the states and germany are about 80% ... the macron has 100% ... Japan has already 120% ... and the world factory generally has 200% ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 May 2020 09: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: kepmor
        in order to at least somehow revive the situation, MONEY, AND ONCE AGAIN MONEY, are needed ...

        In order to at least somehow revive the situation, it is necessary to change the government, otherwise- "there is no money, but you hold on" and this was said in very calm conditions for the country. hi
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 09: 53 New
          -9
          Revive what? Mass riots? Understanding you: bored in self-isolation, you want to move.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 May 2020 10: 03 New
            +4
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Revive what? Mass riots?

            Why are you scaring everyone, and first of all yourself, with some kind of unrest?
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Understanding you: bored in self-isolation, you want to move.

            Honestly, I wanted to spit on self-isolation and take my word for it, we’ll have enough motions for tonsils.
      2. Esaul
        Esaul 6 May 2020 17: 00 New
        0
        If you calculate how much taxes a business pays, it will turn out a very impressive amount! Only about 50% is spent on taxes with a salary.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 6 May 2020 08: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Esaul
      It is necessary to exempt small businesses from all taxes for at least 2-3 months.

      it is necessary to exempt the business from all taxes until January 1, 21, it is necessary to give loans to businesses at 2,5% per annum, stop all street audits up to 22 years, reduce the cost of electricity by 1 times from September 2, both for industry. so for the citizens !! , crush Vodokanals, Teploenergo and garbage companies, which are formed so that people always owe them, and in return - go to the forest! to restrain the tax, which does not care about the pandemic and self-isolation, it is necessary to carry out a reduction in the national guard and police, to remove parasites from bureaucrats and the Ministry of Emergencies
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 6 May 2020 09: 10 New
        +6
        you can immediately see a person from business ... competently and on business ...
        however, without stimulating domestic consumer demand, even all of these measures will be ineffective ...
        right now, wise men will tear me to pieces ... they say that you will only stimulate the celestial economy ... well, what can you do if your own is in a deep opera ...
        the way from the ass to the "beautiful far away" has always been not easy ... you have to share ...
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 6 May 2020 11: 08 New
          +7
          Quote: kepmor
          however, without stimulating domestic consumer demand,

          +100! in all countries (non-banana republics) there is a one-time help to citizens - financial from 600 dollars to 1240 euros per citizen, and only we don’t have it and can not be, in principle, a conclusion? ... we are a banana republic
          1. vindigo
            vindigo 6 May 2020 18: 00 New
            -1
            It is, of course, nice that they give money. But these amounts are small for residents of those countries. Weekly earnings. I asked friends in South Korea, Moon Jin promised you help. They dismissed me, they say that this is just talk.
            1. Revival
              Revival 7 May 2020 05: 38 New
              0
              Well, we have 0, so at least a week, at least one day, and we are in .... flight
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 May 2020 09: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        need to exempt the business from all taxes until January 1 21

        The current state will never do anything like this!
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 May 2020 10: 57 New
          10
          Yes, our state will not do anything of this. And it will do the following.
          Remember the scandalous list of "646"? With the support of the offshore bookmaker "Fonbet"? And also purely American McDonald's and others like that? Everything is in the past, relax!
          Now we have a list of "1151" who would doubt it!
          More than half of these companies are only partially connected with the state and were largely stripped of it earlier, even before the official start of the economic crisis. For example, Mostostroy, which has enriched in 2019 by 301 billion rubles. But now, suddenly Rothenberg became impoverished, the last crust is eating up. And with it, Prigogine became impoverished with his "Main Line". Mr. Usmanov with his Metalloinvest, Ural Steel and other reputable enterprises asks for alms - Usmanov, impoverished to the point that he couldn’t really allocate help to fight the coronavirus.
          Oligarch Makhmudov ... Asks. How did Uralelectromed, Transmashholding, Uchalinsky GOK and other serious enterprises get to this person?
          Others are asking the same. And shake the mosh? Overworked? Or, there, scrape through the gallows of their barns abroad. Indeed, according to the US National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and the Boston Consulting Group, the total accumulation of Russian business in offshore companies is 3 (three!) Trillion dollars. What am I talking about ...
          And here are corrupt officials, along with crime: Vorkutaugol, Agrotorg, ResursTrans, Chelyabinsk Pipe-Rolling Plant, and others. I’m wondering how such a wonderful enterprise, as the last of the listed ones, could be mixed with corruption mud?
          Further - purely, frankly, offshore brethren, how could it be without it! Here's how not to help offshore NLMK, Akron, the American Yaroslavl broiler, Rottenberg Mineral Fertilizers?
          There are bankruptcies in this list, there are self-liquidating ones.
          And small and medium, those that serve not the whims of the rich, but the simple needs of the hard workers, - go away!
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 11: 06 New
            -9
            All the enterprises that you have listed give hundreds of thousands of jobs. Including the notorious McDuck.
            1. depressant
              depressant 6 May 2020 12: 22 New
              +4
              Ivanov !!!
              Small and medium-sized businesses give jobs to millions of ordinary citizens!
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 12: 27 New
                -1
                Restore the activities of IP - a matter of several days. Try to recover after closing the mine or chemical plant (Akron) Poultry farm to raise and that is a great problem. Again, all these enterprises are a white salary, unlike IPeshk.
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 May 2020 22: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: depressant
            depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova)

            Dear Colleague! hi These lists are very useful for future People's trials.
            When I read something like that, my fists clench with rage and I can’t tell myself what punishment I can apply to them.
            For example, take the name of the Usman, the former major is a felon under a straightforward article, his wife is a winner, and the kabayeva pupil recently bought a roll-royce for 300 million rubles, she owns a company that controls all Russian TV along with kovalchuk.
            You must admit that no connection can be traced, just as the sudden wealth of raldugin, timchenko, vrotenberg can not be traced ... Who is this person who was able to so bless these outstanding people?
            Here is a certain AS Ivanov. (Andrei) he doesn’t see the connection or is fooling around, but one way or another, the trollite is not a little decks.
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 6 May 2020 11: 12 New
          +9
          Quote: Malyuta
          The current state will never do anything like this!

          yes, what are these ki from the government, oil and gas industry or banks want or will do ..... how will they receive these taxes? .... one cormorant said that the salary is being saved, he just forgot to add it to someone, and it’s precisely with bureaucrats, thieves from sovereign guardsmen, ushlepok deputies, with all those who stuck to the budgets !! .... and in factories they cut as little as two fingers on asphalt and nobody cares about it, but what about business there’s nothing to say. ... just a question - WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 6 May 2020 19: 30 New
        -6
        Yeah, there are a lot of bad things in water utilities and heat power. That's just that people often don’t want to pay nichrome and still steal fucking. Moreover, they very often do not live in poverty. How do you like the loss of electricity of 50 percent or more on KTP? And pensioners grandmothers pay bills in good faith every month for these people. Or it’s very interesting to watch when some Lexus drives up to your garbage can from which a brazen, fat cat-catcher comes out that you haven’t watched among your neighbors for a while and throws garbage. He has no money, he is a beggar. Well, to hell with him, maybe I bought a house or apartment nearby recently. But when the mayor gives statistics and says that almost a third of the population of Nichrome does not pay for garbage in the city, I want to burn this third from a flamethrower. Right now, the gas workers have done well to break the law that they can turn you off during the heating season. True, they also need to tear three skins for their scum on many issues, yes.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 6 May 2020 22: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          But when the mayor gives statistics and says that almost a third of the population of Nichrome does not pay for garbage in the city, I want to burn this third from a flamethrower.

          We are talking about different things. It makes me sick to pay pigs just because they are pigs.
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Right now, the gas workers have done well to break the law that they can turn you off during the heating season.

          Have you ever wondered to whom your local power supply or heating network or gas supply belongs?
          ask at your leisure.
          Here is our city water utility, a strategic enterprise in general, that belongs to the offshore in the Caymans, electric energy-sales-Cyprus .... Does all payer money go to offshore accounts through correspondent transit accounts and why should people pay offshore gaspages?
          I do not need it. You can consider this my personal form of protest and
          Fuck them in the drawbar!
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 6 May 2020 23: 16 New
            -3
            This form of protest at the expense of ordinary workers of organizations. Which in the end will not receive money for their work. The bosses will always be with the money. And sooner or later they will take you by the scruff of the neck and shake out money from you that you do not want to pay. It is necessary to deal with causes and not consequences.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 7 May 2020 00: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              It is necessary to deal with causes and not consequences.

              РЇ СЃРѕРіР »Р ° сен. hi
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              And sooner or later they will take you by the scruff of the neck and shake out money from you that you do not want to pay.

              Perhaps only voluntarily I don’t want to give them to rats, and also I don’t want to build yachts and put prostitutes in diamonds on my money in foreign resorts, and I don’t have any great desire to watch how you and your gendarme’s children will with rubber dubbing on the hump, to hell for mine, damn it, money.
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              This form of protest at the expense of ordinary workers of organizations. Which in the end will not receive money for their work.

              If they don’t get it, then let them go on strike and protest (peacefully), otherwise they will doze off, yawn and praise the breadwinner.
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 6 May 2020 08: 15 New
    16
    The last IP was closed in 2016. I will never open again. Tests and checks? No, it’s not killing. The rules that change during the game kill the kill.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 6 May 2020 08: 30 New
    +1
    Otherwise, instead of the stratum that has been so long grown up and satisfied with the life and power of the middle class, the state will receive millions of desperate, disappointed, and embittered new lumpen

    Already received.
    All of these declared support measures are ridiculously simple (if it weren’t so sad). With one hand, small businesses are pressed and pushed, with the other they “support” closing for an indefinite period. Crush the last.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 6 May 2020 11: 29 New
      10
      Quote: ZaharoFFFF
      All of these declared support measures are ridiculously simple.

      Earlier, the head of Sberbank German Gref explained the refusal of the Russian authorities to distribute money to the population in a crisis in the absence of opportunities. “Here, as in that joke: what are the three reasons why you should retreat? The first reason: we have no shells. It’s the same here: we don’t have so many shells, ”Gref noted. According to him, Russia does not have such a market source of money.

      In turn, the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina said that the idea of ​​distributing money to the population by increasing emissions from the Central Bank threatens to accelerate inflation. As Nabiullina said, “helicopter money” could lead to a repeat of the situation in the 1990s

      According to the Minister of Finance, “scattering money from a helicopter” could have been possible if Russia had printed reserve currencies. At the same time, help should be targeted, aimed at those who really need it

      but you, cormorant, the Minister of Finance, in principle, you can’t know who needs them .....
      if this crisis has not shown how we have dull-headed, swaggering, fucking "elites" who, together with their roof, Putin urgently need to be replaced by ordinary citizens with a good education, who know the problems on the ground and in the house !!, then I think we will be real quilted jackets ...... but I want to live and work in Russia without Gref, Putin, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Chubais, Millers ....... and all those who are in the "elite" of power !!
  • Ruby
    Ruby 6 May 2020 08: 36 New
    +6
    Quote: Far In
    Yes, there are no support measures there, if you look. Deferrals and soft loans still imply that the money will have to be paid. Despite the fact that it was the state that deprived people of the opportunity to work for a month and a half. A good attempt to drive people into even greater financial bondage. Just as if the pan did not overheat, however.

    What are the support measures? I really don’t know anyone who would get anything. Denied under various pretexts. Our company does not fall under any support measures other than tax deferral. Production in our country, according to the state, was not affected at all. I go to the tax website and drive in my OKVED and TIN and an optimistic message pops up: "Your company does not belong to the affected sectors of the economy."
    At the expense of loans in general .... not that free or preferential. In general, nothing, from the word at all. "Thank you" for giving at least work, in a truncated version, but still at least something.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 6 May 2020 08: 41 New
    +8
    Who makes up the small business class? And these are mainly people over 45 years who have lost their jobs on
    industrial enterprises closed by our wise rulers. At 45, you will be accepted as a guard at best for a penny, and you need to live, you need to feed your family, your children have not yet learned, and such a poor fellow goes to the nearest shopping center, takes off the corner at frantic prices and tries to compete with the networks. Profit is scanty, and the "native state" squeezes the last juices through a powerful tax apparatus. Now they closed it down on self-isolation (a word of some kind, he himself took it from boredom and isolated), but in the future, pay rent and pay taxes. Also, the arrow is being transferred to local officials. Truly a popular government.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 May 2020 08: 50 New
    +2
    Loans and tax deferrals are a very relative “help”. ...
    The question is, who should I help?
    Many "small" LLCs, IPs quite successfully "rubberize" the revenue of 800 million. A huge number of LLCs, IPs and even AOs live as "one-day" or "gaskets". Many "branded" objects in the "corners of the buyer" have a "name and surname." Almost all of them work according to gray schemes.
    In Sevastopol in April, the authorities quite reasonably refused to help many SMPs. Almost all hotels, tourist agencies, traders, eager for help, paid minimum taxes, worked according to gray schemes. And suddenly these "optimizers" remembered the state!

    A rather experienced Mr. Mishustin is unlikely to want (be able to) separate the “optimizers” and the honest hard workers (long-range fighters, repairmen, designers, etc.).
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 6 May 2020 08: 53 New
    +4
    Does someone still believe in retirement, economic growth, cheaper gasoline and other joys?
    1. prior
      prior 6 May 2020 09: 09 New
      0
      I believe, but not with this power. It’s just that the country should be socialist.
      1. alone
        alone 6 May 2020 13: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: prior
        I believe, but not with this power. It’s just that the country should be socialist.

        Yes, she’s still socialist .... Only for officials .. All officials have social equality wassat
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 6 May 2020 08: 57 New
    +3
    We need a restructuring of small businesses. For example, in the field of interurban road freight transport, the business of the owners of one or two trucks is too early to go late, but it will still be bent. As well as a significant part of small car service-tire fitting. In a number of cities, there is clearly an excess of catering enterprises or hairdressing salons. Many of them even vegetated before the pandemic.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 10: 11 New
      +2
      You're dramatizing. There are niches where the krupnyak does not even drop in and does not constitute any competition. For example, I will not go to a network car service or to the official - I have my own proven IPdeshnik master. The same thing with tire fitting. And I’ll never buy a smartphone in Svyaznoy, for this there are online stores.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 6 May 2020 19: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        For example, I will not go to a network car service or to the official - I have my own proven IPdeshnik master.

        There is still.
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And I’ll never buy a smartphone in Svyaznoy, for this there are online stores.

        Is online shopping a small business? You have not recently left anabiosis for an hour?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 6 May 2020 20: 01 New
          +2
          Where will he go? He both worked and works and does not suffer from a lack of clients. Online store? It depends on what. My online store is a small business. And the turnover and the number of employees.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 6 May 2020 09: 00 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the figures given in the article about the share of this business in the country's economy relate to small and medium-sized businesses in the aggregate.
  • demo
    demo 6 May 2020 09: 07 New
    +4
    The dream of a modern official is who can work in the public sector.
    The rest are on the labor exchange and receive a minimum allowance.
    Then a unique moment arrives - a hungry and impoverished population looks up at all officials and civil servants.
    So much for the short-lived.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 6 May 2020 09: 30 New
    +3
    Deaf topic.
    It used to be a mess in this area and no understanding, interaction of the parties. Now the full kirdyk will come.
    Where can a reasonable solution be here ???
  • tatra
    tatra 6 May 2020 10: 09 New
    +5
    All these perestroika “the market itself will regulate everything” turned out to be another lie of the enemies of the Communists. When businessmen do well, they profit from speculation, they really don’t like to pay taxes, they really do not like to pay taxes, they believe that the State should not interfere in their business, and as soon as everything is bad, they run to beg from the State "remember for food." I feel sorry for the people these businessmen throw out on the street, and even then not all. Office plankton is not at all a pity.
  • Ruby
    Ruby 6 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergej1972
    We need a restructuring of small businesses. For example, in the field of interurban road freight transport, the business of the owners of one or two trucks is too early to go late, but it will still be bent. As well as a significant part of small car service-tire fitting. In a number of cities, there is clearly an excess of catering enterprises or hairdressing salons. Many of them even vegetated before the pandemic.

    Such optimization will lead to monopolization and nothing more. Look at grocery retail. Almost all of them grabbed the network.
    The strength of small businesses has always been in flexibility. For example, we are ready to make even a single copy of a product for a specific customer. Try with this question will turn to a large plant. There, only a month the design documentation will be coordinated, and another month or even two estimates prepared. As a result, they will put up a price tag in which they will put all their overhead costs.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 6 May 2020 18: 07 New
      +1
      This is the power of small manufacturing enterprises. As for small trading enterprises, especially in the field of food trade, I do not see any advantages over network enterprises either in terms of price or quality. There are reverse examples, but this does not change the overall picture. Communicating with ordinary hired workers in the sphere of trade, I see that those who work in large structures are more protected than those who work for a small proprietor.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 6 May 2020 10: 39 New
    +2
    The only thing the state is doing under Putin’s leadership is the destruction of micro and small businesses!
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 May 2020 12: 32 New
      +2
      Moreover, colleague, this policy does not develop spontaneously, it is conscious! On the one hand, to crush their own small and medium, so as not to compete with foreign "investors", inviting Putin to our territory. And on the other hand, so that small and medium ones do not grow to large ones and do not compete with their own large ones. And then it will be necessary to give up the heated place - our rich, to whom enterprises have got because of proximity to various political bodies, are not capable of real competition. But Putin pours them - his own! That crushes small and medium.
  • cniza
    cniza 6 May 2020 11: 10 New
    +7
    The question of the survival of small business in Russia is becoming particularly relevant


    It cannot survive that which is no longer there, it must be created in a new way ...
    1. maiman61
      maiman61 6 May 2020 16: 36 New
      0
      Absolutely true colleague! In a new way with another president! And at the same time, you will only get away from him that crooks and 250 were put in jail!
  • Courier
    Courier 6 May 2020 13: 04 New
    +1
    They are granted a six-month deferral of payment of all taxes (except VAT) and credit payments.


    The most fierce tax on the cadastre is still paid at the end of the year, and it has not been canceled.
    Regarding credit payments, the same big question, Minister Reshetnikov himself called the banks and did not get any delays.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 6 May 2020 14: 11 New
    +2
    The only thing that needs to be hoped for not by such a small “estate” of small entrepreneurs of our country is that the measures announced by the state to support and rescue this time will not turn out to be empty declarations, but will turn into real actions. There is reason to hope for this. Here are some concrete examples: the government has already exempted a number of small and medium-sized businesses from paying rent federal property for April-June of this year. They are granted a six-month deferral of payment of all taxes (except VAT) and credit payments. Promised short-term targeted loans and borrowings (primarily for employee salaries). Actively known being discussed even direct government subsidies for particularly affected small businesses.

    On lease - mostly private lessors, and there no one cancels the lease.
    Deferral of payments - deferral of collapse and nothing more.
    Well, what about being discussed, so it can be discussed all my life, which they do.
    My acquaintances are breathing in the dark. This is such support.
    Direct subsidies are from unscientific fiction.
    And they will support their own. An example is Ksenia and Maman asking mothers to support the socially significant business of the crab daughter.
  • iouris
    iouris 6 May 2020 14: 20 New
    +3
    Business, if it is a business, often goes bankrupt, if it is capitalism. Some go broke, others come in his place. Business is separate from the state. He pays taxes and his relations with the state are almost over. These are elementary truths.
    In the United States, the average life of enterprises is a couple of years. The average life of large enterprises is 15 years. And here you are not there, finally.
    1. Courier
      Courier 6 May 2020 15: 08 New
      -1
      In the United States, $ 684 billion has been allocated to help small businesses.
      1. iouris
        iouris 6 May 2020 15: 41 New
        +3
        The United States will print any number of dollars. But, firstly, they have a machine. Secondly, their small business has not yet been saved.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 6 May 2020 23: 43 New
    0
    I am not an entrepreneur, but, so to speak, an observer.
    So this is what I observe: Sberbank from time to time is bombarded with SMS-kami with an appeal to take a loan from them. At the beginning of this year, it was offered at 12,9%, then at 13,9%, today it was sent at 15,9% ... The Central Bank rate during this time, however, was reduced ...
    "Where is the logic, where is the meaning?" - I’m racking my brains once again, like that Vovochka from a joke that farted in the classroom and was kicked out for the corridor, where the air is clearly cleaner.
    Or is Gref not afraid of impudence with the permission of Putin? Or does he not need permission? Is this connected with the sale of Sberbank for people's money from the Central Bank to the government?
    Are constitutional amendments against usury necessary? Or let it be in the Bible, the Quran and the Torah, but here - no place?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 May 2020 08: 50 New
    0
    Can I ask a question? If you, Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich decided on your own initiative to open a business, maybe together with someone else, then why should the state support you? Is your business critical to the survival of thousands or do you just want to make money?
    1. agond
      agond 14 May 2020 11: 45 New
      0
      And why, why they always talk about supporting small businesses, they say that you don’t need to nightmare him, that you need to create special conditions for him, and now help with money from the budget, WHY you have never said about the support of ordinary employees., You should always remember that the task of business is enrichment due to the violation of the balance of interests between them and everyone else. A long time before the birth of Christ, a prophet named Serakh said, “that there can be honey in common with lions and donkeys (in those years there were still wild donkeys in the north of Africa), besides the fact that some are the food of others, there can also be nothing in common between poor and rich. " By the way, the states have the highest percentage of convicted entrepreneurs, but there are screams that they are not being heard nightmares.