We do not want to break the economic engine: French Prime Minister announced the start of the country's quarantine exit

Yesterday, French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe submitted to the Senate a project to quarantine the country and remove the self-isolation regime. He stated that it was no longer possible to maintain restrictive measures.

This was reported by the French edition of Rfi.

Philip recognized the importance and necessity of restrictive measures, but believes that their preservation can lead to enormous and irreversible consequences. Therefore, the country's leadership decided to gradually quarantine.

The Prime Minister believes that a long halt in economic activity can lead to its complete collapse:

Continuing quarantine would mean breaking our economic engine, stifling our agriculture and slaughtering our investment attractiveness. We do not want this.

Last week, Edouard Philippe submitted to the National Assembly of the French Republic a plan to alleviate sanitary restrictions, which are expected to be introduced from May 11. These steps relate to industry, education, and the administration of church services.

The discussion on quarantine removal is explained by the fact that last week France recorded the lowest mortality from coronavirus in the last five weeks.

Comments

[Pavel57]

The threat of economic collapse looms before everyone.

[Keyser soze]

Threat of collapse

This is not a threat, it is a reality. All world economic analyzers have reported that the failure of the economy will be like in 1929. And UTB is already on. Personally, in Bulgaria, this year the forecast was for 3,5% of GDP growth. Now the forecast is minus 12% at the end of the year. And it’s still easy to get off.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Pavel57

The threat of economic collapse looms before everyone.

But just not before the "OWNERS OF MONEY"!
The "owners of money" only get rich in the world crises. And the compradorism promoted by the "owners of money" in the administrations of each country plays a significant role in their colonization of any country.

The fact is that the capitalist is different to the capitalist! Capitalists can be divided into different grades.
What is the difference between capitalists and varieties?
What kind of capitalists is the most harmful for the working masses and national security of any country, including Russia?
Or for example. What is the difference between the comprador bourgeoisie and the national?
What actions of one or another sort of bourgeoisie in some way or another benefit the working class, and which do not?

The truth is that "if you are not involved in politics, it will take care of you!"

In 2016, Popov Mikhail Vasilievich, Doctor of Philosophy, Professor, President of the Fund of the Working Academy answers these questions. But his answers are not outdated to this day.

About the varieties of capitalists. Professor Popov. • 2 oct. 2016 year

[Thrall]

Yesterday, French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe submitted to the Senate a project to quarantine the country and remove the self-isolation regime.

Philip proposed, and the Senate rejected. So even after May 11, France will be quarantined if there are no new plans.

[Husit]

Quote: Pavel57

The threat of economic collapse looms before everyone.

But just not in front of Russia .. It’s time to get out of this capitalist distribution in the economy .. Someone else, hungry bones ..
We have everything to live independently and be just a power, and not a "gas station and now a nurse" of the West and other bugs ..

[Snail N9]

Well, finally, some brains began to move away from panic .....

[SSR]

Quote: Pavel57

The threat of economic collapse looms before everyone.

Hence the difficult choice, of two evils, one must be chosen.
I would not want to choose economy or life, or life through the economy. How not to twist but at stake and so and so Life.

[Wolverine]

Quote: Pavel57

The threat of economic collapse looms before everyone.

They are afraid of a social explosion, you won’t frighten the French if they blocked roads and burned vehicles for losses of 5 euros, then they can be scooped up for a complete collapse despite the dead virus.

[Mikhail m]

We are still far from this. Yes, and on the ground they act on the principle: it is better to overtake than not to finish. Many actions of the authorities look thoughtless and excessive. For example, how can I infect someone or get infected myself while moving in my personal car? But in public transport easily. And what is the difference between the nearest store and the one to which I will arrive by car? Etc.

[Gardamir]

And what does the infection have to do with it? The bus is hard to fine. And drivers of personal cars were fined millions.

[Snail N9]

In Russia it is always like this:

[depressant]

Agree. Thoughtless and excessive. But first, how was it? Firstly, the measures were late. Secondly, weak measures were taken. It was announced that everyone entering the country would be put in strict quarantine, they would trace communication chains, everyone would be checked who they needed - they would be isolated ...
Do you remember how checked and even sick people escaped from hospitals? Not later than yesterday, I read on Yandex that they were continuing to run away. And how did they check people entering from infected countries? The appliance shone on the forehead, gave out paper. Then they issued paper at the exit of the flight zone. At the exit from the airport, people asked where, supposedly, to us with those papers. Wherever you want, there was an answer to them. We walked home, delivering the crown. And then, when it began to turn around, instead of sequentially putting only infected territories on self-isolation, even those parts of the country where there was no cove before were self-insulated. Thereby weakening the possibility of providing sufficient assistance with medicines, equipment, medical personnel and administrative measures to the infected territories, as well as at the same time inhibiting production throughout the country. Mishustin behaved like an elephant in a china shop. There is a wandering opinion in the blogosphere that his positive test for coronavirus has a political connotation - he failed, he affected the patient. Construction Minister Yakushev also went to hospital on the occasion of a positive test. May God bless these people if they are truly ill. But a government official must understand that governing a country is not his own estate.

[Alexey Sommer]

There is only an information epidemic. In fact, she is not.
The so-called imposed measures of self-isolation, this is a manifestation of criminal incompetence, or it is a political and economic sabotage.
Crown morbidity and mortality at the level of normal seasonal flu.
ps How many personal acquaintances have you been diagnosed with coronovirus?

[depressant]

You know, before the onset of the self-isolation regime, an ambulance flashed near my Khrushchev every now and then, people were sick, but not the crown. An ambulance came to me. From March 12 to March 17, I stayed in the hospital and left it already in self-isolation - quarantine was declared in the hospital. But, amazing thing, since then the ambulance is not visible. All acquaintances and neighbors walk around - some in a mask, some without it, live a normal life, many do not even follow the recommended distance, there are no patients. In any case, the virus - definitely not. Otherwise, a panic would have begun, everyone would have known about the event.
However, from the fact that my village is bypassing the epidemic so far, it does not follow that it does not really exist, doctors are dying! In the Kaliningrad region, 100 doctors and 250 medical staff, taking care of their families, even refused to go to work in hospitals. Fear of infection pushed them to this. After all, about 90 doctors have already died.
There is, of course, an epidemic. Another thing is that it is not ubiquitous, but universally and unworthily used as a way to suppress the critical mood of the population. But such sentiments exist - in connection with the failed economic policy of the authorities.

[Alexey Sommer]

All the "facts" that you have given are subjective, or media. That is, imaginary. Like pictures of ambulance traffic jams with CROWN patients. Who is in the cars, why they are standing there, neither you nor I know.
There are no real facts in the life of ordinary people.
A quarantine has been introduced to make it easier to explain the impending economic catastrophe. The word disaster, this is not a hyperbole in this case. That is, write off to it everything that begins to unfold before our eyes in the fall.

[AU Ivanov.]

The refusal of doctors to go to work is unsuitability. They made a mistake with the choice of profession. As there is in the joke about the fireman: the work is good, but like a fire - at least quit.

[AU Ivanov.]

My classmates, for the most part, have already flown away, in retirement already, like me. My daughter is now working in Moscow on the crown, though not in the "red" zone. And my wife is a doctor with 32 years of experience, she can go to quarantine at any time, here in St. Petersburg. The doctor is liable for military service, regardless of gender. And if we introduce an emergency regime now, then many doctors will simply be mobilized. They chose their profession voluntarily.

[Paul K.]

Colleague? What did he end when he might know each other? And as for the doctors - I stand my ground - they can be understood, they do their work in spite of the Russian realities.

[AU Ivanov.]

Sasovo, issue 1983.

[Paul K.]

AVLU GA, 91st. Did you find Zaurova? In the XNUMXs, he worked with him there on L-cams.

[AU Ivanov.]

Got it. He was an instructor at the electricians. I was on the An-2.

[Paul K.]

So you grabbed the "golden years" on an-2? Did you work as one PIC? Money with a shovel, huh?)))

[AU Ivanov.]

No, my grandfather grabbed the gold. Li-2, IL-14. I found silver.

[Paul K.]

It’s good to be pissed off, with one PIC per month they got half a Lada at the PANH, no?))) He ended up in the gas premise (42nd, 737 with 300th cabin). For the money, the norm, but the climate ....... Grandfather Respect - the essence of Douglas and the 14th there is one (except for the tail) of the machine - the honor of the Civil Air Fleet! On Ile is also ASH82, no?

[AU Ivanov.]

What are there Lada on the MVL, sometimes forest conservation, sanitary assignments. On Ile Ash-82, on Li-2 are the same as on Annushka - ASh-63. He finished on the An-24/26, through it and wrote off on the ears.

[Paul K.]

Good eroplan, but loud (although not the 32nd))). Have written off .. on TsVLEK drove? They also marinated me in Rostov (at the VLEK management of the SCA GA) with NDCs, but slipped through ...

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

ps How many personal acquaintances have you been diagnosed with coronovirus?

Alexei - the closest person to me who has become infected with a coronavirus, is Lev Leshchenko ...

[Alexey Sommer]

And I have Mishustin, or Boris Johnson. But I do not know them personally.
So, these facts are media.
In the past, I had many friends who had the flu. There were MUCH more than now.
But self-isolation because of this was not introduced.

[Paul Siebert]

The first hero of self-isolation in Russia will remain for centuries:

[Alexey Sommer]

You want to say that the effect will be on a scale?

[Paul Siebert]

We simply cannot do without scale.
Bigger, longer, louder.
The largest cannon in the world is the Kremlin Tsar Cannon, which never fired.

[Alexey Sommer]

I'm an optimist. Take a word.
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little about what is happening around.
And a psycho is someone who FINALLY figured it out. "

[AU Ivanov.]

I have a cousin with a confirmed diagnosis. It is treated on an outpatient basis. A friend in Moscow is asymptomatic - it was revealed purely by accident, by testing.

[Alexey Sommer]

Let them get better!
In the past, I had a lot of real friends with the flu; they did not enter quarantine.
Now there is not one with KOVI 19. And my real friends do not have the same ones. There is a quarantine.
Am I living on Mars?

[AU Ivanov.]

Are you sure that your friends are not infected? No healthy - there are unexplored. Half of the infected symptoms do not have and are detected by testing. But they infect others in the same way as patients with symptoms.

[Alexey Sommer]

In Russia, approximately 19 million people were examined at KOVI 3. In the USA 5.
Are you sure on the basis of this introductory?
Not everyone is examined for the flu.
Why is quarantine not introduced?

[AU Ivanov.]

I'm not sure. By extrapolating these tests, we came to the conclusion that about 2% of the population is infected in Moscow. This is somewhere close to the truth. Influenza epidemics give roughly the same numbers.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Influenza epidemics give roughly the same numbers.

AND?! Why was not quarantined for influenza?

[AU Ivanov.]

Because the flu is studied and predictable. And the flu does not give such complications as covid. There is as yet no data on what long-term health effects may occur. There is evidence that those who undergo the crown may have thrombosis, and these are strokes and heart attacks in the near future. Therefore, anticoagulants have now been introduced into coronovirus therapy. My daughter is involved in the development of therapy for coronovirus infection, as a pharmacologist, so that there is a certain insider. While there is no specifics, it’s better to overdo it than to overdo it.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Because the flu is studied and predictable. And the flu does not give such complications as covid.

These are media "facts".

Quote: AS Ivanov.

While there is no specifics, it’s better to overdo it than to overdo it.

What would you eat information not only from your daughter.
A 10% drop in GDP is equal to the death of 2% of the population.
Can you extend the logic yourself?

[AU Ivanov.]

Unfortunately, these are not media facts. Pneumonia caused by a coronovirus does not proceed like a complication after the flu. A drop in GDP causes a larger drop in revenues from hydrocarbon exports; the share of small business in our GDP is very small. So that this does not depend on us — this is not a problem for Russia alone. Those countries in which small businesses generate a large percentage of tax revenues, to which Russia does not belong and countries that live in tourism, will suffer more.

[Alexey Sommer]

I do not touch all your parcels. I note only one thing.

Quote: AS Ivanov.

A drop in GDP causes a larger drop in revenues from hydrocarbon exports; the share of small business in our GDP is very small.

Count how many people work in the clothing trade (not only in the manufacture of clothing), hairdressers, restaurants, etc., etc.
They don't just eat. They create income for someone. And this is squared and then cubed. And these are not only "hairdressers", full of real productions completely stopped.
And the tsunami will come no payments. And the survivors will envy the dead.
This is in a nutshell.
With a mildly speaking, not a convincing medical effect.

[AU Ivanov.]

Better to be a beggar, but alive and healthy, but the tomb has no pockets. It is not known what will be more a blow to the economy: idle taverns or a large number of disabled people. The clothing trade will open in the near future, catering and the entertainment industry are unlikely.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

or a large number of disabled

These are media "facts".

Quote: AS Ivanov.

idle taverns

And this is real.
I leave you for this. I wish you health.

[AU Ivanov.]

These are MEDICAL facts. In many who have undergone a crown, CT shows irreversible lung lesions. Plus, there are cases of renal failure - this is a disability. Closing taverns is a reversible process.

[depressant]

By the way, Pilot Ivanov, you are right. Yesterday I learned that, according to the latest data from American researchers, the lungs are affected by microthrombi. And if you do not find a way to dissolve them, then the person is disabled to the end. If he survives. With the usual inflammation of the lungs, microbes infect the walls of the pulmonary alveoli and they begin, in simple terms, to rot. Even this is poorly curable, and every year tens of thousands of people die in our country just from "simple" pneumonia. For example, in the first 9 months of 2019 in Russia, 18 thousand people - adults - died only from pneumonia. But it was still October, November and December - the time for colds.
And with the crown - microtrombi. How to get them? Even a grid of thin blue blockages on the legs - try to withdraw! Until the end does not work. And here - the lungs. Just darkness. You can’t hurt the crown.

[Alexy]

"Do you see a gopher?
- No
- and I don't see, but he is "

[SSR]

Quote: Mikhail M

For example, how can I infect someone or get infected myself while moving in my personal car?

As I understand it, this measure was introduced so that some citizens would not move from, say, a dysfunctional point to a point where the situation is different.
At a nearby enterprise, the family returned from vacation, they were assigned to two-week quarantine which they took as another vacation and again flew to rest. Hoopoes returned infected and one more decided it was better to go to Sochi for self-isolation.
You can’t go far on a city bus. Something like that seems to me.

[Mikhail m]

And why within the city? In Sochi, self-isolation is more convenient by plane. From 4000r and a little more than 2 hours from Moscow.

[depressant]

In any case, colleagues, a very worthy person has died - General Designer of RSC Energia Mikrin. Rest in peace to him! ..
The resource "Glance" carefully avoids the topic: he simply died. On "Yandex" they say - from the coronavirus.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: depressant

they say - from coronavirus

I confirm - the way it is.

[2 Level Advisor]

Are you a doctor? where confidence-read the medical history?

[SSR]

Quote: Mikhail M

And why within the city?

We do not slow down within the town, they slow down mainly at the entrance and exit.
I don’t know the truth or not, but colleagues from Sergiev-Posad said that by order of the head they even checked the pedestrians. Local officials were given the opportunity to determine the extent of the measures being introduced. I walk about 3.5 km to work, only for lunch I take a taxi and no one has once again not nightmarized me within the city.

[Mikhail m]

I meant Moscow. We have in Chelyabinsk so far as you have, but it is possible that still ahead, including fines.

[Doccor18]

And in our country, partial removal of half measures is necessary
quarantine. Yes, the disease is still
striding around the country and peak
epidemics somewhere nearby
but before a significant decline
incidence as no
less than a month. So many people
without external support not
outstretched. With the preservation of all
available precautions
like treatment, protective equipment,
bans on public events, you need to gradually renew
production work
enterprises.

[AllBiBek]

Did they really close up?
In a limited mode, half-heartedly, half an inch, but - almost all work.

Catering is covered, hairdressers, cinemas, museums, concert halls, and educational institutions are covered: the latter are transferred to a remote place.

Howl about "we will all die of hunger, give me money!" mainly comes from "young and creative businessmen" who are used to working on a simplified basis and pay salary in an envelope. And the profits are not to be used for demonstration purposes, such as expensive cars on credit, and regular vacations at expensive resorts.

These - yes, understand that the level of consumption will have to be reduced, significantly. Poor little Khamatova won’t start eating away at the wife who had been put on a new elite car, and two hundred were stolen from Volochkova’s card.

And in order for this layer to return to its usual level of consumption and its usual flow of feces to the head of its own country - you propose to cancel the measures introduced, right?

I repeat, production mainly works, trade half-heartedly, but also. Even the catering holds on; look out the window, and count how many five minutes pass by you and run couriers with cooler bags behind you.

All hairdressing salons, boutiques, and other luxury do not have a turnover, and the loudest howling is precisely the representatives of these spheres, who so contemptuously looked at everyone "outside their circle", and sacredly believed that they had grabbed God by the beard forever.

[Sergej1972]

Communicated with the employees of Magnet, located in our house. They say that the turnover has not decreased, the same as two months ago.

[AllBiBek]

So the fact of the matter is that the loudest about "Everything is lost! Save us!" yells from the creative class, the hucksters with expensive souvenirs, and the service sector like "nails and beards", and their employees slap them. Here they are really a paw (and not only a paw), and many also live in rented housing, and they are not stupidly used to making an airbag for difficult times.

Well, sworn friends do not forget to add fuel to the fire, on any media platform. A pandemic is a pandemic, and grants themselves will not work.

[Sergej1972]

I agree. This is also observed on this site.

[AU Ivanov.]

And how did online shopping rise?

[A. Privalov]

Yesterday, French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe submitted to the Senate a project to quarantine the country and remove the self-isolation regime. He stated that it was no longer possible to maintain restrictive measures.

Keyword here "yesterday".

Today, the government’s strategy of the country’s withdrawal from isolation regime, approved by the French National Assembly last week, which was supposed to begin on May 11 was rejected by the senate: 89 senators voted against, 81 - for.

The Local Edition:

Minister of Health Olivier Veran:

It was decided to extend the emergency in the field of health, designed to prevent the spread of the coronavirus epidemic, for two months - until July 24. The bill said that the abolition of quarantine on May 11, as previously assumed, was premature and could lead to a new outbreak.

"We have a long distance running ahead," the minister explained to fellow citizens, assuring that he appreciates their "colossal efforts" in the fight against the virus.

[alone]

Quote: A. Privalov

The key word here is "yesterday".

Well yes ... yesterday is not today

[Sergej1972]

Theoretically, the National Assembly is more important in France and the Senate veto can overcome. But probably he won’t do it.

[Graz]

a man than something on a younger Lenin in the photo in the article looks like

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Pavel57

The threat of economic collapse mayachиt in front of everyone.

Sellers of masks, lemons and ginger may argue with this statement.
The quote was slightly corrected, eye errors are cut.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Mikhail M

Sellers of masks, lemons and ginger may argue with this statement.

Unfortunately, masks, lemons and ginger are not the "three whales" on which the economy rests, alas ...

[AllBiBek]

Yes, how can I tell you?

She can hold on to a lot of things, especially European. For several centuries, for example, kept on spices. And there was almost a century when - on tulips (the second whale at that time were bezoars, these were generally lumps of wool from ungulate stomachs). The ancient Greeks, by the way, kept mostly on pots and olive oil, and before that, on the Egyptians, on linen fabrics. The Chinese have silk and jade (more so with jade), while Venice has had a very long basis in budgeting for glass beads, mainly to Europe.

In Russia, by the way, squirrel and marten muzzles, as well as cowry shells, taxied.

So you can build around anything, even around emptiness.

Oh yes, it’s already. Cryptocurrencies of all kinds.

[sabakina]

Quote: A. Privalov

Unfortunately, masks, lemons and ginger are not the "three whales" on which the economy rests, alas ...

Speculators, and in the USSR they were called swindlers, they smile at you and clap! Smile and clap!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: sabakina

Itata: A. Privalov
Unfortunately, masks, lemons and ginger are not the "three whales" on which the economy rests, alas ...
Speculators, and in the USSR they were called swindlers, they smile at you and clap! Smile and clap!

Vyacheslav, well, you must understand that the broth of speculators who sold lemons and ginger at exorbitant prices is not called "economy".

"Fartsovka is the slang name for the illegal purchase / resale of hard-to-reach or inaccessible scarce imported goods. Clothing and accessories were the overwhelming majority of items of supply and demand for branded goods. Also popular were sound carriers (vinyl records, audio tapes, reels), cosmetics, household items, books, etc. "

In other words, farmers, this is just a special case of speculation. Resellers of agricultural products, Soviet-made goods - called simply speculators.

[rotmistr60]

last week, France recorded the lowest mortality from coronavirus in the last five weeks.

Is this an indicator for quarantine removal? On the other hand, both Europe and Russia understand that another month of quarantine and the economy will indeed be difficult to raise to the level of January 2020. But the further spread of the infection and the death of citizens also do not fit into the normal human framework. So puzzle over - to save the population or spitting on the economy?

[AllBiBek]

"Well, ten million people will die out, well, twenty - they simply could not fit into the new market realities" © is attributed to Chubais.

But so far, such a scenario - saving the economy and scoring on citizens, adopting the experience of Belarus - is more likely to be real in the States.

[alien]

Quote: rotmistr60

Is this an indicator for quarantine removal?

Today, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo presented a list of seven requirements that state states will have to meet in order to ease restrictions:

"1. 14-day reduction in the number of hospitalizations or three days on average to 15 new hospitalizations
2. A 14-day reduction in hospital mortality or a three-day average death rate of less than 5
3. Three-day average number of new hospitalizations up to 2 per 100 inhabitants
4. 30% of the total number of hospital beds
5. 30% of the places in the intensive care unit
6. About 30 per 1000 inhabitants are tested monthly
7. At least 30 contact trackers per 100 inhabitants (possibly inaccurate translation)
New York currently meets only three of the seven requirements. "

1-day decline in hospitalizations or a three-day average of under 14 new hospitalizations
2-day decline in hospital deaths or a three-day average of fewer than 14 deaths
3. A three-day average of new hospitalizations under 2 per 100,000 residents
4% of total hospital beds available
5% of ICU beds available
6. Around 30 per 1,000 residents tested monthly
7. At least 30 contract tracers per 100,000 residents

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html#link-16e7c321

[Sergej1972]

If we take industry, transport, construction, then in most European countries the restrictions were more stringent than in Russia. Their concessions in industry, transport and construction are
transition to our current state in these areas. As for us, as several commentators on this thread correctly noted, our restrictions are mainly in the areas of trade, services, education, and small business. Yes, and A. Privalov drew attention to the fact that the proposal of the French prime minister was not approved by parliament.

[AllBiBek]

Education is holding on, students of all kinds are generally massively howling that they were downloaded on a remote site so that there is no time left for term papers and graduation theses, and they will be taken soon. Teachers come off, discipline in the audience can now not be especially watched. Useful experience for everyone.

But all sorts of private offices for luring money in exchange for a diploma - yes they howl. The barbers of Rudolph and the barbarians of Arcadia are unlikely to be able to pay for this semester on time and in full, and the drop in income for the leadership of these little balls is a personal tragedy, they are mainly in loans at the very top.

Another management of housing companies in the field of housing and communal services is groaning loudly, also accustomed to specific amounts in their pocket strictly on schedule.

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

So the Senate has already voted against this, they say early or my source is not true ...

[Shadow041]

So break your neck. Jokes are bad with epidemics, just look at historical documentary on this subject.

[APASUS]

This is how the economy remains and will be a fundamental factor in the removal of quarantine. All these stories about the state’s health care, citizens do not work even in France