The British Times declared "Russian atrocities" during the capture of Berlin - with reference to a member of "Jungfolk"

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The hero of the article by David Crossland, published in the British edition of The Times, was 86-year-old Berliner Jörg Zonnabend. This elderly man in childhood, as the author writes, survived the assault on the German capital by Soviet troops.

Jörg was 1945 years old in 11. He, like most of his peers, was then in Jungfolk. The older children of Jörg were in the Hitler Youth.



An elderly resident of Berlin shared his memories of the capture of Berlin by Soviet troops, focusing the British on the "atrocities" of Russian soldiers.

Inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the narration of Mr. Zonnabend can even be noticed by an amateur. Apparently, something Jorg forgot, somewhere the British author added drama. Take, for example, such words in the article:

He fled from British aircraft on a low-level flight, dodging Russian bullets.

Jörg told how Russian soldiers took away watches from residents, how dead German soldiers lay on the streets with their shoes removed. He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

As for the rape of Berlin women, then, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself did not see it." Well, Zonnabend also did not see a military tribunal over those Soviet soldiers who committed crimes.

One can be surprised (after all, a certain stereotype of the British is still present), but in the comments to the article, the majority of the British who spoke did not sympathize with Jörg and agree with the author's conclusions.

One of the commentators was not at all sympathetic to little Jörg:

Am I supposed to cry - a poor boy from the Hitler Youth and his unfortunate people who crushed half of Europe under themselves? Heard about the atrocities of the Russians, how can ... But about the atrocities of the Germans, of course, have not heard?

Another Briton noted that there may have been cases of looting and violence by soldiers, but the perpetrators were severely punished for them by the Soviet command:

Individual people robbed and raped - and this is in contrast to the Germans, in whom everything was officially and approved from above.

Another commentator suggested that an atmosphere of fear reigned among locals in Berlin in 1945. After all, many of them knew about the real war crimes of the Germans in the occupied territories of the USSR, therefore, they were awaited with revenge by the Soviet soldiers:

Millions of Germans served on the Eastern Front. Regular army units regularly committed war crimes against civilians and prisoners of war. Many wrote home and boasted of their exploits in dismissal, for treatment in hospitals. The Germans were afraid of the Russians like fire — they knew what they had done on the Eastern Front!
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  1. +52
    5 May 2020 10: 01
    "Good article" before May 9 ... Either there will still be men! We hold the defense .. soldier
    Now Vlasovites and Bandera will come running with their memories
    1. +13
      5 May 2020 10: 07
      Article as an article. Full translation from the link below.
      Mr. Zonnabend says that in his childhood, German heroes of the war were like his idols, such as the commander of the submarine, Gunther Prien, who allegedly sunk more than 30 allied ships. "We collected their photographs, just like with today's superstars."

      After the Russians occupied Spandau, the battle for Berlin lasted another five days. Jörg's mother and neighbor's daughter hid from the Russian soldiers in the barn. And Jörg and his friends admired the weapons of the Red Army and stuck around the Russian camp, watching soldiers muffle fish in the Havel River with grenades.

      Russian soldiers gave them bread and slices of bacon, he recalls. Once an officer came to Jörg and his friend Bruno and ordered them to take the hot food to the soldiers on the front line - the front passed in only a few streets.

      https://inosmi.ru/social/20200504/247372268.html
      1. +38
        5 May 2020 10: 45
        I read the translation, the article is complete nonsense. At least here is an excerpt "There were many rapes, but we children have seen almost nothing of the kind." Then why the hell ... he claims the Nazi sabaka?
        1. +23
          5 May 2020 11: 29
          The funniest thing is who publishes these libels, the kings of genocide, who have perfected their skills for centuries (Indians, Africa, India, China and the list goes on), who sits quietly on their nasty island and does not speak until their "exploits" are dealt with.
          1. +23
            5 May 2020 12: 17
            Anglo-Saxons in their role. To wipe Dresden off the face of the earth, this is humane and not atrocity .. Or incinerate Hiroshima with Nagasaki. Humanists. )
            1. +8
              5 May 2020 15: 22
              All the front-line soldiers that I knew in the 60-70s, always blamed Stalin only the Vistula-Oder operation, when they put more than half a million of them to save overseas cowards, and the fact that he did not trample Germany into the dungeon. Now we are reaping the fruits of the leader’s mistakes!
              1. +5
                5 May 2020 19: 03
                What can you want from 86-year-old Jorge, who is being hunted down by the British expert on "highley like", if even the former prisoner of Auschwitz, Anne Frank's half-sister, this ungrateful elderly bea Eva Schloss allows herself to lie about the Soviet soldiers who freed her? The question is rhetorical. In short, keep hitting!
                1. +3
                  5 May 2020 20: 16
                  About the diary of Anne Frank wrote Yu.I. Mukhin. He drew attention to the fact that the diary was written with a ballpoint pen.
                  1. +1
                    7 May 2020 22: 59
                    Even if so (which is not a fact - taking into account the "reputation" of comrade "red bourgeois" Mukhin) - AND?? Ballpoint pens - appeared in backward century. This decade marked the 125th anniversary of their invention, EMNIS. If in the Union they appeared only under Nikita "Kukuruzvelt" H., and spread massively - only under Leonid "Eyebrow-Ring-in-Nose" B. - this does not mean that in the Netherlands on the eve of WWII - they were not used ... smile
          2. +16
            5 May 2020 12: 35
            All these Hollywood-touted nobility and gentlemanhood of the Anglo-Saxons. The postulates that a gentleman is always honest, noble, never offends a lady, faithful only to the same Anglo-Saxons, but not to representatives of other races.
            An example from recent history:
            ... Australian Aborigines were poisoned by dogs, they were shot for any wrongdoing, and even local Europeans had the standard fun of driving a family of indigenous people into the water with crocodiles and watching them die in agony.

            Nowadays, essentially nothing has changed. Yes, beautiful blockbusters are shot about how a white American nobly saves the next universe, it is forbidden to call a black man a black man. But this is all at the official propaganda level.
            And not officially ... who cares that millions of locals died as a result of their democratic bombing? No one. It is customary to keep silent democratically. And even if anyone finds out about it, he won’t be particularly worried at the genetic level - these are the “natives”, they don’t feel sorry for them.
          3. +1
            5 May 2020 22: 56
            The British Times announced the "atrocities of the Russians" during the capture of Berlin - with reference to the Jungfolke participant. He mentioned his bike, which was "hijacked" by the Russians.

            If the Times says it's atrocities feel then in London hell is going on Yes
            Stolen bicycles in London for 1919 (Bicycles in the database: 2415)
            In March, in London, police covered an underground warehouse of stolen bicycles, located in an ordinary private house. Some surprise is the figure of the confiscated - 250 stolen bicycles. Being familiar firsthand with the layout of English houses, I can hardly imagine how you can place so many bikes. However, if the house is two-story with a basement, then this is real. Another question is what the neighbors did when they saw such bicycle traffic.
            link http://kotovski.net/kak-voruyut-velosipedyi-v-anglii/
        2. +14
          5 May 2020 12: 03
          What else could be read in the Galyune Times?
        3. avg
          +5
          5 May 2020 14: 14
          "There have been many rapes, but we children have seen almost nothing of the kind."

          The psychiatrist will say that - most likely, having fallen into childhood, the old man recalls his "wet dreams".
          He also mentioned his bike, which was "hijacked" by the Russians.

          But grandfather apparently forgot about the delicious daddy food parcels from faraway Russia.
      2. +9
        5 May 2020 10: 54
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        An article as an article.

        Especially ".... There were a lot of rapes, but we children have seen almost nothing like that ...." How could he have known, especially at the time of the battle? He confirms what he doesn't know. And he obviously does this by answering an interviewer's question. And that was exactly this - the facts of violence of the civilian population by the soldiers of the spacecraft ... And so, yes ... nothing special. request
        1. +15
          5 May 2020 11: 16
          But were they rape? Or by mutual agreement, for a can of stew?
          1. +8
            5 May 2020 11: 22
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            But were they rape?

            Below I already wrote about my doubts about this. I'm glad that not one .. wink
        2. +10
          5 May 2020 11: 28
          Quote: Hagen
          Especially ".... There were a lot of rapes, but we children have seen almost nothing like that ...." How could he have known, especially at the time of the battle?

          Everyone judges for himself! Moreover, "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the first years of the war, and certainly a participant in the folksturm and Hitler youth!
          1. -9
            5 May 2020 12: 26
            Quote: Starover_Z
            Everyone judges by himself!

            It’s not very clear what you mean.
            Quote: Starover_Z
            Moreover, "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the first years of the war, and certainly a participant in the folksturm and Hitler youth

            Grandfather was 1945 years old in 11. On the order of Hitler of October 18, 1944, they were called up to the Volkssturm from the age of 16. At age 11, due to age, the child still has very weak beginnings of promising, and even more so critical thinking. At this age, he could remember the most vivid fragmentary personal impressions. And if he recalls today the general situation of those days, then only answering the question of the interview. To delight with the AH, when bombs are raining down on your head and there is nothing to eat, you need a clear political conviction. At 11, this is very rare and abnormal. From the point of view of pedagogy. But you have the right to think as you please ...
          2. +1
            7 May 2020 23: 11
            Everyone judges for himself! Moreover, "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the first years of the war, and certainly a participant in the folksturm and Hitler youth!
            Learn the materiel. The Volkssturm was included without fail from 16 and voluntarily from 14. In the Berlin garrison, several cases of admission to the Volkssturm in 12-13 are known.
            And membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory. Not being admitted to the "Jugend" was also fraught with "semi-official defeat in rights", at least, as non-membership in the pioneers before the announcement of "socialist pluralism."
      3. +9
        5 May 2020 17: 14
        Every year I come on May 9 to the Piskarevskoye cemetery. Standing over the hill, I always think, how many people were buried there during these months? Or always thought about the question, how is it to shoot 30 thousand people a day (Babi Yar)? And how much is it if you build them all? There are only 4 thousand at the parade on Dvorovaya Square .... My ancestors had every moral right to put everyone under the knife ... Sometimes I regret that they once again turned out to be Russian soldiers .... Sometimes I regret that I myself am the same ....
    2. +30
      5 May 2020 10: 10
      If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.
      1. +14
        5 May 2020 10: 16
        Quote: figvam
        If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.


        For comparison, the plans of the Norwegians. Why did all sorts of Scandinavians come to us.
        While German troops fought on the Eastern Front, losing all hope of a blitzkrieg, the Norwegian Nazis, led by Vidkun Quisling, were already making colonial plans. They hoped to receive land from Hitler in the east and enthusiastically recalled the Gardarik of the Viking Age, writes Dagbladet.
        Dagbladet (Norway): Quisling dreamed of Norwegian colonies

        High-ranking Norwegian Nazis wanted to take over large territories in the Soviet Union. The local population was to become slaves and work for the Norwegian "nobility"

        https://inosmi.ru/history/20200505/247341513.html
        1. +6
          5 May 2020 10: 42
          For comparison, the plans of the Norwegians. ... yeah, Viking on the Kursk Bulge
      2. +6
        5 May 2020 11: 00
        Quote: figvam
        If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.

        It may be time to recall the bloodthirstiness of the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on peaceful Japanese cities, which destroyed civilians, children and women much more than the Nazis in concentration camps. Now Americans are the best friends of the Japanese, Germans, and even Vietnamese.
        1. +2
          5 May 2020 12: 39
          Now Americans are the best friends of the Japanese, Germans, and even Vietnamese.

          Let me fix it a bit.
          Now the Americans are "best friends" of the "ruling elites" of Japan, Vietnam and Germany. They do not enjoy such love among the people.
      3. +7
        5 May 2020 11: 36
        The article is written for the British.
        It is very similar to the writing of the twenties of the last century about the * atrocities of the Bolsheviks * against such noble occupiers. Then the British savored * the atrocities of the Bolsheviks * against the Basmachis and other * batek angels *. After WWII, the British wrote about the unthinkable torment of the Germans under the occupation of the RED Army.
        Now they write again and again call for hatred.
        Prepare their own population for * war until the last Englishman *, but why? All the same, after all, they torture or raped or a bicycle soprut. So that there is no mercy, we die all for ...., for ....., well, for democracy of course.
      4. +7
        5 May 2020 12: 15
        It's not even bloodlust. The Germans were freed from the "chimera called conscience" And they began to kill with a light heart. Just kill like that. Would you be able to kill a woman or a child if you were allowed to do so? It is unlikely. But they could.
      5. +4
        5 May 2020 16: 28
        If the Russians were bloodthirsty, then Russia would have achieved great success in history. Without irony I say
      6. 0
        5 May 2020 16: 30
        And that would be fair!
    3. +23
      5 May 2020 10: 11
      The Red Army defeated fascist Germany thanks to fortitude and strict discipline.
      And atrocities, unlike the Nazis did not do. But to pick up a watch or a bicycle, this is nonsense, unlike massacres and rapes by the Nazis, the villages burned tsuki .. and this one complains that the watch was taken away .. But the Americans on their side, along with the British, German women took advantage and looted ..
    4. +6
      5 May 2020 10: 45
      Right Suddenly it turns out that all Germans born after the war are not Germans at all, but Russians born from raped Germans. That is the reason for cleansing the nation. Or it turns out that the Indians living in the United States on reservations are not Indians, but Russians who migrated to America after the war, who fled from the atrocities of the Red Commissars and the Bolsheviks, who flooded the geyropa. Evidence may appear that Dresden was not bombed by allies - Americans with the British, but Russians who planted explosives in houses and blew them up to drive out poor defenseless Germans from the city, joyfully meeting their American liberators. The most terrible truth will be revealed when it turns out that the Russians intentionally ruined the sewer system of Germany in order to spoil the English Channel and spoil the air and life on a beautiful island for the British ... So, get ready, friends ...
      1. +24
        5 May 2020 10: 50
        It was necessary to put all the Nazis on a stake. Zig shouted - at stake. It was they, paddy., Who came to us with the war.
        Apparently gently, our grandfathers acted with them judging by the Ukrainian fascists.
        And now they say that Stalin was cruel. Yes Vissarionych was too supportive of these ghouls.
        1. +9
          5 May 2020 11: 59
          Quote: Vladimir16
          It was necessary to put all the Nazis on a stake. Zig shouted - at stake. It was they, paddy., Who came to us with the war.
          Apparently gently, our grandfathers acted with them judging by the Ukrainian fascists.

          I read memoirs, so these Natsiks also zigzagged in the Soviet captivity (the highest composition). And ours were ordered not to touch and they ate more bastards, those who guarded them ..
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And now they say that Stalin was cruel. Yes Vissarionych was too supportive of these ghouls.

          Now these archives are being opened and howling with mud is pouring out even more into the "world media" ..
          JV Stalin was an angel compared to the current "world leaders" .. Excuse me, but that is how much blood is being shed now and at the same time dirt ..
          I always remember this as soon as they spit mud into the soul ..
          hi

          But everyone forgot about it ..
    5. +6
      5 May 2020 10: 50
      Quote: Ataka smertnikov
      A good article "before May 9 ... Or else there will be men! We hold the defense ..

      The best defense is offensive.
      But in reality, as always, they will silently wipe themselves off. Instead of dragging the courts and the Times and this under-hitler. Or else come up with a lot of all sorts of problems for slanderers.
      For example, revoke the accreditation and visas of Times workers.
    6. +6
      5 May 2020 11: 18
      I regret that the captured Nazis who survived were released home. It was necessary to keep them at work to restore the destroyed country until his death, as an example to the rest.
      And now it’s not too late to amend the Constitution that the soldiers of other countries captured, remain in captivity for life.
      We have work on the improvement of the country - immeasurably, eternal prisoners would be very useful.
      England - the birthplace of piracy, she would be silent in a rag ....
    7. +1
      5 May 2020 12: 04
      We hold the defense .. soldier
      Exactly, and now all sorts of old Ryabtsevs (Venediktov) and Gozmans will uncover their garbage mouths!
  2. +6
    5 May 2020 10: 02
    "....The British Times declared the “Russian atrocities” in the capture of Berlin..."
    ======
    That's right. WHAT is there for them? To admit that the Second World War was won "on our shoulders" (the shoulders of our fathers and grandfathers) ??? But what about the "decisive role" of the Naglo-Saxons - the true carriers of "democracy"?
    1. +3
      5 May 2020 10: 33
      What else do they have left? Compose a West. according to which the indigenous population of the Third Reich was to be destroyed, or they had to be used as slaves in their former lands. And only US bombers erasing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, sacrificing thousands of peaceful japans, stopped this criminal plan of the conquerors of Berlin and Europe.
  3. -5
    5 May 2020 10: 02
    The boy was nervous during the assault. I would have abused him right now at such a bastard.
    1. +5
      5 May 2020 10: 45
      The boy was nervous during the assault ...... but maybe this is not a German boy but a wheelchair?
      1. +3
        5 May 2020 10: 58
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        The boy was nervous during the assault .....

        ========
        "...Yes - was there a boy, maybe a boy did not have? ... "(M. Gorkoy" The Life of Klim Samgin ")
        1. +4
          5 May 2020 11: 06
          .Yes - was there a boy, maybe there wasn’t a boy? ...... well, the boy was definitely a wheelchair. and this little woman rather in line stood for porridge from the Soviet camp kitchen. I didn’t see any porridge. she’s a marching kitchen, not rubber, that’s offended
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  4. +8
    5 May 2020 10: 03
    As for the rape of Berlin women, then, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself did not see it." Well, Zonnabend also did not see a military tribunal over those Soviet soldiers who committed crimes.

    I saw nothing and heard something .. but the noise raised.
    Jörg told how Russian soldiers took away watches from residents, how dead German soldiers lay on the streets with their shoes removed. He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

    And are these atrocities in his opinion?
    The Western world began to whine before celebrating its defeat.
    1. +11
      5 May 2020 10: 11
      Obviously, for this German, hijacking a children's bike is a mortal sin on par with the Bible. But I would not be surprised if he, like hundreds of other Berlin children, ran to Russian cuisines for porridge.

      1. +7
        5 May 2020 10: 36
        And if you also rummage where exactly this lisaped was from ... there will be many unpleasant questions for the Germans. am
    2. +8
      5 May 2020 10: 34
      Quote: veritas
      And are these atrocities in his opinion?

      ----------------------
      This wristwatch is worn as with a written sack. These watches and binoculars were like mud in Germany. Only for German pilots watches were produced by three companies of the famous navigator design. At the same time, on the way, there were jewelry stores, where just imagine, there were also deposits of watches. If we recall the allies, then the Americans did not disdain robbery and extortion, as well as "consensual intercourse" for just a pair of fildekos stockings or women's underwear. Moreover, all these "acquaintances with the exchange" were in every park or square. At the same time, I am silent about the Moroccans, who inseminated the entire population of southern Italy, including boys and young men, and not just women and girls.
  5. +6
    5 May 2020 10: 04
    After everything that their relatives did on the territory of the USSR, they thought they would get rid of tomatoes? Naive. Rule Woe to the vanquished, no one has canceled.
  6. +10
    5 May 2020 10: 08
    And that witness was not lucky to visit the concentration camps? And he could have testified a lot about the atrocities.
    1. -3
      5 May 2020 10: 20
      scoffed at the Germans in concentration camps apparently
    2. +4
      5 May 2020 10: 24
      Of course not. Because the "bloody Stalinist regime" did not allow the population of the controlled territories to pass through the death camps. About which "nobody knew" in these territories.
  7. +6
    5 May 2020 10: 15
    this old senility yes to the siege of Leningrad send
    1. +3
      5 May 2020 11: 25
      better in Dresden during the Anglo-American bombing
      1. 0
        6 May 2020 12: 51
        A lot of honor. Khatyn shed is such a place. And Bandera at the door with kerosene to help.
  8. +3
    5 May 2020 10: 16
    He also mentioned his bike, which was "hijacked" by the Russians.
    What a coincidence. I remember Merkel also stole a bicycle ... laughing
    If the Soviet soldiers and the Soviet government would be like all these Western hackers write about them now. Then there would be no one to share memories of the "horrors of the Soviet occupation" and build museums on this topic.
    1. +2
      5 May 2020 11: 29
      Note - the bike was deprived. And her compatriots took their lives, for no reason.
  9. +2
    5 May 2020 10: 16
    In Russia, there is such a concept: "You shouldn't get your hands dirty."
    So, with the capture of Berlin, the Russians did not bite their hands on the Nazi evil spirits, both male and female.
    And "British journalists" should turn to the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which contains archival documents concerning the capture of Berlin and the situation in it of the peaceful German population, which the Red Army fed and watered.
  10. +3
    5 May 2020 10: 17
    original times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/ve-day-anniversary-bodies-littered-the-streets-as-russians-stormed-berlin-z7hsrlz6q
    for the sake of truth, and frank nonsense is present who can say how two 11 year old boys can deliver a havchik even for one department
    1. 0
      5 May 2020 10: 32
      Yes Easy! Two children's bicycles are taken, garden cars are added to them, and voila, the vehicle for transporting hot food is ready. Just pedal. It is not clear why children should be sent to the front line? recourse
      1. +1
        5 May 2020 10: 35
        Well, in the first place, they already hijacked a bicycle, in the second they need garden cars, in the third they need to be attached to the bicycle, in the fourth, fifth, sixth ....
        1. +1
          5 May 2020 10: 42
          Actually, you're right. It is only the Russians in the garden wheelbarrow who can take the milling machine away.
          1. +1
            5 May 2020 10: 53
            for the sake of truth, even we are not capable of it, only if in parts, the trolley can’t stand it
  11. 0
    5 May 2020 10: 18
    "He also mentioned his bike, which was" hijacked "by the Russians.
    Maybe this grandfather was the same woman who takes a bicycle from a soldier on a famous photojab? And then he did a sex change operation?
    1. 0
      5 May 2020 10: 35
      In my childhood, too, the Veterok bike was stolen. Well, the one that turned from a three-wheeled into a two-wheeled. laughing Who to blame? request
      1. +2
        5 May 2020 10: 53
        Quote: sabakina
        Who to blame?

        definitely Shenderovich
      2. 0
        5 May 2020 11: 25
        Vin KGB and GULAG
    2. 0
      5 May 2020 10: 38
      sewn nipple? laughing
  12. +4
    5 May 2020 10: 19
    focusing the British on the "atrocities" of Russian soldiers.
    It is not surprising that the British journalist printed this nonsense and it is not surprising that before May 9th. A massive outreach attack on Russia continues, and even a pandemic is not a hindrance. Maybe the British should interview an survivor of the Dresden resident after the English bombardment? That would be really instructive.
    1. +1
      5 May 2020 10: 42
      This is not politically correct: "drives a wedge between NATO allies to please Russia."
    2. +1
      5 May 2020 11: 00
      Maybe the British should interview the survivor of the Dresden resident after the English bombardment? ..... but the bombers’s campaign on Hamburg itself. it was a complete LONO for the civilian population
  13. +6
    5 May 2020 10: 20
    Did The Times find a resident of Dresden? Very sorry.
  14. +2
    5 May 2020 10: 21
    The English woman craps, craps and will always crap.
    That's all, the question is settled.
  15. +1
    5 May 2020 10: 22
    Small britters shit on small.
  16. +14
    5 May 2020 10: 24
    Interesting judgments about Russian atrocities. But everyone is silent about Hitler's atrocities, forgetting Leningrad and Babi Yar near Kiev, burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, burning Russian huts. Everyone forgets the carpet bombing of 3000 planes on Dresden and other German cities, and even about Buchenwald and hundreds of other death camps. And in general, no one remembers the greatest atrocities of the 20th century by the Japanese "Detachment 731" nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Berlin lies on the conscience of Hitler, his generals, the Germans who defended Berlin, Volkssturm and Hitler Youth. If they surrendered and signed the surrender of Berlin, before the start of the assault, hundreds of thousands of Germans would be alive. Glory to our soldiers who tore the defenders of Berlin "like Tuzik", Glory and eternal memory to the fallen heroes and my grandfather Tomasz who died near Berlin.
  17. +7
    5 May 2020 10: 25
    Soviet soldiers took the watch and removed shoes from the corpses ... what a horror! It’s a matter of pretty Germans in occupied Kiev ...
    1. +3
      5 May 2020 10: 31
      Curious how they would like the Russians to act? How right? I would love to hear the western version.
      1. +5
        5 May 2020 10: 35
        From the point of view of Europeans and Americans, the most correct behavior of Soviet soldiers would be to lay down their arms in 1941 and allow a more advanced nation to integrate itself in the form of suitcases and lampshades. And our entire liberal party fully supports them in this.
        1. +2
          5 May 2020 10: 43
          This is just understandable.
          I mean, how should Russians behave in occupied enemy cities?
          We know how civilized Europeans behave in the wild East. On the contrary, how should it be?
          However, after a little thought, I independently found the answer.
          As you know, Alexander 1 imagined himself to be a brisk European and a favorite of the liberal hangout of the 19th century.
          Creeping in front of England made the army creep. This is described in historical literature.
          And libermans love to tell how almost half of the Russian army chose freedom and democracy, and fled. Therefore, Alexander 1 hastily fled from Paris to Russia as if not faster than Napoleon fleeing Russia.
        2. +1
          5 May 2020 10: 49
          Supports in the form of suitcases or lampshades? In general, a quality chyumadan lives longer, sometimes longer than a person. laughing
          1. +4
            5 May 2020 10: 53
            They suffer from the fact that the bloody ghoul Stalin deprived them of the opportunity to be a lampshade in the house of a highly developed burgher ...
      2. 0
        5 May 2020 10: 43
        Well, how to: understand and forgive.
  18. +6
    5 May 2020 10: 28
    Still alive are people who know how it really was, this article-tragedyfare looks like a stupid mockery at the memory of those who died in that war from the atrocities of Nazism and the Germans themselves, although others, such as: Hungarians, Latvians, were noticed in servitude and indefatigable cruelty Italians and Spaniards, Finns and a whole fan of collaborators from the eastern territories. Now essentially:
    1) The German Reich waged a war of destruction with the Soviet Union, cities and villages were destroyed, industry and collective farms were robbed, the population was destroyed or stolen to work in Reich. It was not a walk in either Belgium or France, where they simply changed the national flags to Reich flags and then continued to pour liquor and hug the cocotte.
    2) The Wehrmacht committed war crimes and robberies totally and with impunity, the population of the USSR was for him a lower rank, at the level of domestic animals.
    3) Other services and special services of the Reich also committed war crimes.
    4) The Reich territory was bombed by both the Royal Air Force of Great Britain and the Allied Air Force. The result of the Allied bombing was comparable to the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and even cooler, but for some reason the British media did not cover this fact. The bombing of the Allies brought the civilian population of Germany the same unbearable suffering. They were carried out according to a special scenario, according to which there was a total destruction of urban infrastructure, ring fire of residential areas, the impossibility of the normal functioning of the police, fire and medical services.
    Therefore, the naive tales of the German grandfather are somehow not impressive.
  19. +1
    5 May 2020 10: 31
    Well, thank God that with the memory of most Britons everything is fine ... they still remember their fear of the 1940 model ...
  20. +2
    5 May 2020 10: 36
    It is worth pitying a young boy, as in the rest of the English press! Probably an excursion to the town of Khatyn slightly changed the consciousness of the young victim
  21. +3
    5 May 2020 10: 44
    As for the rapes of Berlin women, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself has not seen."

    According to the recollections of our soldiers and soldiers from the "second front", the situation for the non-military population in occupied Germany was catastrophic, and the Germans gave themselves up to the soldiers who came for almost nothing, for a bar of soap. Of course, giving birth after such a method of survival, they could justify themselves in front of their neighbors and relatives, with whom they remained, only by violence from the soldiers. However, given the number of convicted Soviet soldiers for crimes related to sexual and property violence, their level was not high and was kept in insignificant volumes throughout the war by tough methods of prosecuting criminals by the command. There is a lot of documentary evidence of this. As, however, there is a lot of evidence of the absence or insignificant reaction of the command of the Anglo-American troops to the manifestations of violence from the soldiers subordinate to them. Moreover, there is documentary evidence of the atrocities committed, for example, by the Moroccan gumiers. The Moroccans were average warriors, but they managed to surpass even the Nazis in the brutal murder of prisoners. The Gumiers could not and did not want to give up the ancient practice of cutting off the ears and noses of the corpses of enemies. But the main horror of the settlements, which included Moroccan soldiers, was the mass rape of civilians. One of the most terrible deeds of the Moroccan gumiers in Europe is the story of the liberation from the Nazis of Monte Cassino. The Allies managed to capture this ancient abbey of central Italy on May 14, 1944. Historians testify that after the battle, the Moroccan gumiers committed brutal pogroms in the surrounding villages. All girls and women were raped, and teenage boys were not saved. Records of the 71st German division record 600 rapes of women in the small town of Spigno in just three days, after their final victory at Cassino command declared “fifty hours of freedom” - southern Italy was torn to pieces by Moroccans for three days. What does that say lawlessness encouraged by the English command. However, today, the once respected publication is engaged in frank juggling of facts and undisguised lies from the political situation. At the same time, the authors very cunningly present the material - they do not present their own statements, they refer to a certain 86-year-old German who also did not see anything, but knows everything from other people's (unknown to anyone) words. Do not sue either of them! However, British citizens (and this supposedly history is written for them) does not care, they have no questions about the veracity of the article. This is how public opinion is formed / corrected. I would like RT to work for an English-speaking audience no less persistently, but conclusively. Thank God, evidence of our interpretation of WWII history is abundant.
    1. +1
      7 May 2020 23: 46
      a lot of evidence of the absence or insignificant reaction of the command of the Anglo-American troops to the manifestations of violence by their subordinate soldiers

      Well ... Only for grave crimes against the civilian population - 08.05.45% of the personnel of the Expeditionary Force (i.e., excluding crimes on the territory of Great Britain, Iceland, Greenland and Spitsbergen) US Army in Europe. Incl. 0.53 people - hanged for murder with rape, murder and "just" rape.
      These are the official data of the Judge Advocate General's Corps, published in the USSR back in the years of the "deep" cold war and recognized by the IWI of the USSR Ministry of Defense as reliable. So there is no "indiscriminate thing that I want!" not was going.
      1. 0
        8 May 2020 06: 01
        Quote: Zementbomber
        Well ...

        Apparently, from the comfort of life under the occupation of the Anglo-American troops, the Germans were massively rushing into the "Soviet" zone?
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 06: 51
          And they were "torn"? bully So - a very unpleasant crap called "historical facts" - still testifies to exactly the opposite. bully
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 07: 34
            Quote: Zementbomber
            And they were "torn"?

            Taki, yes. After the end of hostilities ... In April, they rushed to the west, and then vice versa, having tasted ...
            1. 0
              10 May 2020 20: 43
              The source of this non-trivial statement - present, plz? wink
    2. +1
      7 May 2020 23: 49
      Moroccans were average warriors

      Lies - the Germans rated them highly even in the 1940 campaign. And in 1942-45. - and even more so. In any case - much higher than the "natural" French. Or Italians. Or - "Negro" divisions of the US Army.
      1. 0
        8 May 2020 05: 58
        Quote: Zementbomber
        Lies - Germans rated them highly even in the 1940 campaign.

        That is, the lawlessness created by them in the occupied territory you do not question. Already good laughing
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 06: 25
          Not - not I refute. For I believe that it was possible to do FFSE with the population and servicemen of the "Axis powers."
          PS The Commander-in-Chief of the French Armed Forces in 1945, the Marshal of France (then the Army General) de Latre de Tassigny, considered the same.
          PSS Crocodile tears of Russians for "innocently killed Germans and Italians" - delivered separately. Special Olympics is class!
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 06: 42
            Quote: Zementbomber
            For I believe that it was possible to do FFSE with the population and servicemen of the "Axis powers."

            In short, do you fully admit the behavior of the Wehrmacht + SS in the territories occupied by them is permissible? What the Marshal of France considered Russian was not a decree. We should not be guided by the opinion of those who were admitted to the winning team out of the kindness of their soul, but not on merit. By the way, whose flag are you living under? Regarding "tears" I would recommend to be more careful. Individual "prodigies" do not characterize the mood of all Russians.
            1. 0
              8 May 2020 07: 32
              In a word, do you fully acknowledge the Wehrmacht + SS behavior in the territories occupied by them as permissible?

              Of course, I admit. In cases where this was dictated by military necessity, the Central Intelligence Center is reasonable.
              What Marshal of France considered Russian was not a decree.

              Reasonably TsTSO - not the decree. Like the Russians, Marshal of France.
              By the way, under whose flag do you live?

              As you might have guessed, it’s definitely not under yours. smile
              Regarding "tears" I would recommend to be more careful. Individual "prodigies" do not characterize the mood of all Russians.

              "That - taka on the right ..." bully But seriously - such positions - quite easily replaying the Central Operations Center. smile
              1. 0
                8 May 2020 07: 42
                Quote: Zementbomber
                In cases where this was dictated by military necessity, the Central Intelligence Center is reasonable.

                The sadistic killer's ploy. Unfortunately, not all of them were caught and hanged. In the future, you need to adjust your attitude towards such "hitmen".
                Quote: Zementbomber
                Reasonably TsTSO - not the decree. Like the Russians, Marshal of France.

                "French marshals" are only capable of cutting their women thrown under the occupier when they are allowed to return to their territory. But we do not impose ourselves on them as teachers (unlike them).
                Quote: Zementbomber
                As you might have guessed, it’s definitely not under yours.

                Another fugitive for a fat burger ... Do you have to talk about our tears?
                1. 0
                  10 May 2020 20: 33
                  The sadistic killer's ploy. Unfortunately, not all of them were caught and hanged. In the future, you need to adjust your attitude towards such "hitmen".

                  Well ... I suppose the "hitmen" will take this into account. And they will also “correct their attitude towards those who have adjusted their attitude.” À la guerre comme à la guerre.
                  "French marshals" are only capable of cutting their women thrown under the occupier when they are allowed to return to their territory.

                  Cheap show-offs. In 99.99% ... of cases, they testify that their pounding is a loser and a coward. And he knows about himself. hi
                  Another fugitive for a fat burger ... Do you have to talk about our tears?

                  I am not interested in tears from the word "generally". Draws and under no circumstances. I cried for the last time over 33 years ago. And yes - unlike some - I did not betray either the Socialist Fatherland, or the newly acquired "Nationalist Fatherland", or the State with which I had a Contract. And he took the oath only once.
                  1. 0
                    10 May 2020 20: 39
                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    I am not interested in tears from the word "generally". Draws and under no circumstances.

                    I answered you on your mention of "crocodile tears". Have you forgotten where you started? Actually, they didn't really say anything ... so, they poured water ...
                    1. 0
                      10 May 2020 20: 50
                      The standard technique for someone who has nothing to say is to say that they did not say anything to the point. Will not shoot. smile The audience here is really predominantly (although far from all of them unconditionally) very "specific" in terms of both intellect, morality, and education - but even the majority of such a public will still read the discussion tree.
                      Well, I advise you to look in literary reference books - what is the difference between sympathy for tears from explicit sarcasm about the subject "crocodile tears. "
                      1. 0
                        10 May 2020 22: 26
                        Quote: Zementbomber
                        The audience here ... is very "specific" in terms of both intellect, morality, and education ...

                        Where does she care about the modern heirs of the ideas of ss and other "uber alles"? wassat
                      2. 0
                        10 May 2020 22: 30
                        Yes - "her" is far away even and to such ... bully
  22. -1
    5 May 2020 10: 49
    not finished off, you bastard
  23. +9
    5 May 2020 10: 51
    It’s good to scold the Germans and the British, but who in Russia gives money for anti-Soviet propaganda? On filming scum of penal battalions and other dirt of a lower rank.
    1. +2
      5 May 2020 12: 13
      Quote: Gardamir
      It’s good to scold the Germans and the British, but who in Russia gives money for anti-Soviet propaganda? On filming scum of penal battalions and other dirt of a lower rank.

      ---------------
      Like who? All the same newly minted "British subjects" of Russian origin, who treat us in about the same way as the Wehrmacht during the war. They have already prepared for us QR-ausweiss, muzzles, a digital commandant's office, they are already pumping resources into the Fourth Reich, we already have a bunker with a "world-class" politician from whose heartfelt speeches all women are tempted. We already have commemorative plaques hanging up to "warriors of the empire" and introducing police patrols on the streets to fine literally anything.
  24. +4
    5 May 2020 10: 58
    After what they did in the USSR, the USSR and Soviet soldiers had the moral right to completely wipe them off the face of the earth. One German soldier even said this.
  25. +1
    5 May 2020 10: 59
    Of course atrocities, like some sort of Russian dare, in Berlin !, shoot at anglo-saxon German ?! Atrocity as is.
  26. +1
    5 May 2020 11: 00
    Well, what’s so special .. In war, as in war .. Lose, get
  27. +1
    5 May 2020 11: 06
    The British should publish about the atrocities of the Nazis and their mongrels, as well as about their first concentration camps and bullying of the Boers!
  28. +1
    5 May 2020 11: 22
    Any atrocities of Soviet soldiers in Germany, nothing in comparison with what the Germans, Hungarians and Romanians did with the civilian population in the occupation.
  29. +3
    5 May 2020 11: 42
    Apparently, something Jorg forgot, somewhere the British author added drama.


    But to take him and bring him to court for "drama" ...
  30. +2
    5 May 2020 11: 44
    Well, on May 9 on the nose !!!! How else !?
    Apparently, according to the Anglo-Saxons, after the millions of people killed by the Nazis exhausted in concentration camps, after the treacherous allusion to Germany in the USSR, the Nazis should have been murdered tenderly! And it’s better not to touch even after reaching Berlin, to give up arms to surrender and admit defeat, otherwise it all turned out not good ....
  31. +4
    5 May 2020 12: 02
    After the Nazis alive burned whole villages in the sheds in Russia, they shot the entire population of a number of villages, and the corpses were dumped into wells, any retaliatory actions of the Russian army are justified! By the way, the Anglo-Saxons bombed entire cities in Germany, such as Dresden and the only reason for these bombings was revenge for the Nazi bombings of London ... Something the Anglo-Saxons do not scold themselves, they are supposedly saints ... soon the nymph will begin to glow on their asses .. .
    1. Aag
      0
      5 May 2020 17: 33
      ... I understand the feelings of those who have spoken earlier, - it turns itself out (not so much from the German, but from the British). Iiii? Then we will start OURSELVES? Collectively. She, here is not chatting! ... not to be, so they will become impudent. And they are rolling, rolling us ... Well, M. Zakharova will speak, maybe, well, the ritual is already like that.
      And the mass of shares in strategic companies, industries where; where is gold exported to; where are the descendants of the elite building their lives?
      Everything is sad for us, insulting for veterans ...
      Happy Holiday! ..
  32. -1
    5 May 2020 12: 24
    It was not necessary to spare either the Germans or the French. To send the entire male population beyond the Urals to raise virgin lands. Inoculate all future aggressors
    1. +2
      5 May 2020 13: 19
      It’s not with us, we are not Nazis.
  33. +1
    5 May 2020 12: 37
    And are these allies of the 2nd World War? Thanks to those English for remembering the truth!
  34. Hog
    0
    5 May 2020 12: 37
    Well, a bicycle is generally too much, how dare they should have been to the Nuremberg Tribunal for this)))
  35. 0
    5 May 2020 12: 55
    He was running from british airplanes on shaving flightdodging Russian bullets.

    Maybe it was easier to leave immediately in the stratosphere? what laughing
    And as for the atrocities, not the minor Britons about how to go crazy.
    Suffice it to recall the millions of Indians who died in this "pearl of the English crown", the primacy in the death camps during the Anglo-Boer War, the genocide of the Indians of North America !!!
    But who knows where else these fiends of Hell were noted !!!
    about the removed shoes and watches, maybe the Germans themselves and their population were noted in this?
    I immediately recall the "millions" of raped German women, what the Ping troops did before this, England and France, but they blamed the Russians for everything. Although we had an execution for such crimes and no one in their right mind would risk their lives, at the end of that bloody war.
    When it comes to atrocities, then this should be redirected to the Naglossaks immediately! Yes fool
  36. +5
    5 May 2020 13: 20
    Typical order before May 9th. They dug up the old senile fart, and even then they most likely took phrases out of context and distorted.
  37. 0
    5 May 2020 13: 35
    The most terrible atrocity of Soviet soldiers, according to these Western "historians", is that Soviet soldiers took Berlin and defeated fascism. All of this went against the plans of the Anglo-American bigwigs.
  38. +1
    5 May 2020 13: 35
    I think, given the centuries-old experience of dealing with Britain, their "news" can be immediately sent to spam, in the same place where garbage was recently put under the heading "fresh dogs".
  39. -1
    5 May 2020 13: 39
    Do they write about the atrocities of Poles and Czechs against ethnic Germans after the war? On the destruction of the cities of Cologne, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and dozens of Japanese cities?
  40. 0
    5 May 2020 14: 37
    The clock was always taken. You can also get to Berlin faster by bike. There was a story of one topographer from heavy artillery - a bicycle helped them move and do height measurements for maps and guns. The clockwork is delicate and often goes bad in war; a soldier cannot be without a watch. So real events, for victory over the enemy, everything will work out. A lie and millions of dollars have been added to the grain of truth - just to quickly forget about their desire to destroy Russia in that war. All of Europe, all the power of the European economy was against Russia - it did not work out. So they want to forget it. Cultural Europe and non-cultural history
  41. +1
    5 May 2020 14: 59
    I did not see anything, but I heard, I swear by my SS dad. Brushed the British, fantasies completely zero.
  42. 0
    5 May 2020 18: 46
    So the Ukrainians took Berlin, why aren’t you reading honored historians?
    1. 0
      7 May 2020 04: 26
      I’ll tell you more - they told us at the ideological classes that when he was captured in the 45th, the Poles also distinguished themselves steeply, and not just us. laughing Natural horse cavalry. laughing Lancers, EMNIP, some (I'm in grades shit cavalry is not very ...).
      1. +1
        10 May 2020 21: 14
        As for lancers and other hussars - this is either a joke or a bike of course smile - but the reality was this:
        In the Battle of Berlin, the following combat units of the 1st Army of the Polish Army (PKNO) participated in the Red Army:
        1st Warsaw Infantry Division Tadeusz Kosciuszko
        2nd Pomeranian howitzer brigade
        The 1st separate heavy mortar brigade, operatively subordinated since March 1945 to the 47th Army of the 1st Belorussian Front.
        In total - about 12 thousand soldiers and officers of the "red" Polish Army.
        At the beginning of the assault, Polish formations participated in battles 60 km north of Berlin. On the evening of April 29, the Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army, Army General (later Marshal of Poland) Michal Role-Jimerski, asked "in the name of the Party and Government of Poland" the commander of the front of the Soviet Union Marshal G.K Zhukov on obtaining consent for the participation of Polish forces in the direct assault on Berlin. After obtaining the consent of the Supreme Commander, an order was issued to redeploy the 1st front to Berlin. The transfer ended by 7:00 a.m. Moscow time on April 30 and from that moment the Polish soldiers and officers participated in the last battles for Berlin itself. The Poles fought in the western part of Tiergarten, making their way in the direction of the Reichstag, in the area of ​​the Polytechnic and the Branderburg Gate. They occupied 56 city blocks, 7 factory complexes, 4 metro stations and most of the buildings of the Polytechnic. 2550 prisoners were taken.
        On May 2, 1945, during the offensive through Tiergarten, conducted by the 2nd battalion and part of the 1st battalion of the 3rd infantry regiment and the tank battalion of the Soviet 66th tank brigade, soldiers of the 7th battery of the 1st regiment of the light artillery division them. Kosciuszko was installed in the middle of the third floor of the Victory Column in the Tiergarten park with a Polish white and red flag. Another flag, on the balustrade of the second floor, according to the recollections of Lieutenant Peter Potapsky, was hung out by soldiers of the 8th battery of the 3rd division. The third flag was also raised. After the surrender of the garrison of the city, white and red flags also hung on the Zigishaul column and at the Branderburg Gate. And on the famous pediment of the Reichstag - there are inscriptions in Polish.
        So your leading "ideological studies" - even not invented. smile
        1. +1
          12 May 2020 20: 54
          Hmm ... I didn’t know - thanks! We were told about the Polish Lancers in Berlin - they were told in an ironic sense.
  43. 0
    5 May 2020 19: 35
    He fled from British aircraft on a low-level flight, dodging Russian bullets. laughing Grandpa is clearly out of his mind. and for a snack So, in the material of the information portal "NolitNavigator" drew attention to the fact that ordinary Russians answered the Czechs for the demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague by similar measures. As an illustration of such a development of events, the source indicated a video posted on the website of the Other Russia party. This video captures the events unfolding at night at the city station in Chelyabinsk.

    “In the video you can see how unknown people strike a monument with an object similar to a sledgehammer, and the banner“ Answer Konev! ”Is displayed next to them,” they comment on what is happening in the publication ....
    Source: https://politpuzzle.ru/163829-obychnye-rossiyane-otvetili-cheham-za-snos-pamyatnika-marshalu-konevu-v-prage/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=d
  44. 0
    5 May 2020 19: 46
    Quote: Abbot
    He also mentioned his bike, which was "hijacked" by the Russians.

    In the original there is this passage: "He and his friends removed the yachts that the British had taken from the local yacht club. For this they were fed."

    So, cruel Russians took great for themselves, and intelligent Britons took yachts.
  45. 0
    6 May 2020 04: 21
    Everything is in the style of small-shaven !!! - It’s not clear what, but disgusting.
  46. Ham
    0
    6 May 2020 12: 56
    and where "atrocities" then? then what "took away the clock" is "atrocities"?
    or the fact that his bike was taken away?
    I really thought that they were massively shot or hounded in "gas chambers" as the Hans practiced on the territory of the USSR
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  48. 0
    6 May 2020 16: 04
    Regardless of the cockroaches in the head of this German and other Times there, ours should adhere to the principle of “An eye for an eye” (Exodus Books (21: 23-27)). Maybe then it would have been deposited in the memory that it is not worth doing Russian nasty things. And the monuments would stand and be protected carefully from sin away.
  49. 0
    6 May 2020 17: 18
    Everything is as it should be, at first he managed it himself, well, when he was young, and now mass disinformation has helped, just a little more and he will remember about childhood enuresis due to the name of Stalin, in the year 35.
  50. 0
    6 May 2020 18: 39
    is it necessary, it turns out, are the shavers now the guardians of humanity? .. Are they the same shavers who invented concentration camps, who did not hesitate to slander India, Bengal, a number of African countries, a bunch of their colonies, etc.? Nude ...
  51. 0
    6 May 2020 21: 27
    The atrocities committed by the Nazis in the Russian homeland are NEVER FORGOTTEN, NO FORGIVENESS!
  52. 0
    7 May 2020 04: 21
    Am I supposed to shed a few tears - the poor boy from the Hitler Youth and his unfortunate people who have crushed half of Europe?

    good laughing
    But present it as a discrediting argument:
    with reference to a member of Jungfolke
    - this is ATstoy. “Jungfolk” was then as obligatory as the various October pioneers under the first secretaries of the Politburo of the CPSU. SA or SS - by the way, too. If you weren’t accepted into any of them, you were like “omitted.”
  53. 0
    7 May 2020 05: 52
    And little Jörg did not know and simply does not remember about 628 settlements burned by the Nazis along with their inhabitants.. It is necessary to refresh the memory of Europe with a Russian landing as part of some joint war games..
  54. 0
    7 May 2020 06: 45
    I remember that previously the Soviet-American documentary series “The Unknown War” was repeatedly broadcast on TV.
    Maybe our Ministry of Culture should not spend money on “films about the war by May 9,” but hire a Hollywood director, for example Oliver Stone, a good screenwriter, military consultants and historians with access to archival funds.
    Make a documentary (multi-part) with details of the Great Patriotic War, from the attack to the storming of Berlin with the post-war stage.
    Maybe when a Western bourgeoisie sees through the eyes of a fighter participating in street battles, then he will understand a little that during an assault there is neither the strength nor the desire to loot and rape...
    Russia should decide to buy back time to broadcast a film about the war on their television.
    1. +1
      7 May 2020 23: 57
      This has already been done with the film “Victory” on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the Reich’s surrender. Purchased sessions with free admission. "didn't fire" The PR result (as they would say now) even “went into the red.”
  55. 0
    7 May 2020 06: 49
    Let's assume, just assume, that the "atrocities" of the Red Army took place. Why allow it? But because, unlike the British and Americans, in the Red Army there was definitely a tribunal for grievances against the local population, a harsh Stalinist tribunal. Where for disobedience to a sergeant there is a penalty company or 5-7 years in the camps. But it’s not for the Germans to babble about “atrocities” after more than 20 million civilians were physically destroyed in the occupied territories. A lot has been written about those raped and burned alive, and this is by no means fiction. The Germans would like to visit Sachsenhausen; in principle, it is located in Berlin itself.
    1. +1
      8 May 2020 00: 02
      unlike the British and Americans, in the Red Army there was definitely a tribunal for grievances against the local population

      No "Unlike". The Western Allies have military police and military justice too"not We know what the pears were dressed with."
      Only for serious crimes against the civilian population - 08.05.45% of the involved Expeditionary Force personnel were prosecuted as of 0.53/69/XNUMX (i.e., excluding crimes in Great Britain, Iceland, Greenland and Spitsbergen) of the US Army in Europe. Incl. XNUMX people - hanged for murder with rape, murder and “simple” rape.
      This is the official data of the Judge Advocate General's Corps, published in the USSR back in the years of the "deep Cold War" and recognized by the IVI of the USSR Ministry of Defense as reliable. So - not about any "general critter that I want!" - the Allies are still talking about not was going.
  56. 0
    7 May 2020 07: 04
    By the way, I completely forgot about the British. When they began to count the captured Germans in 1945, a whole million were “lost.” The Germans and the French and the Americans and the Russians considered everything. And then the British so modestly admitted that they didn’t have enough food and they died. The Germans don’t want to remember this, they and the British have the same master
    1. +1
      8 May 2020 00: 07
      When they began to count the captured Germans in 1945, a whole million were “lost.” The Germans and the French and the Americans and the Russians considered everything. And then the British so modestly admitted that there wasn’t enough food and they died

      But this is a primitive lie. negative Mass mortality of German and Italian prisoners from hunger and (mainly) lack of fresh water and related diseases really happened. Once in Tunisia in May-June 1943. A lot of them died then, yes, but much less than 100 thousand.
      1. 0
        8 May 2020 07: 05
        Primitive lies are your strong point, dear. So continue to exist.
      2. +1
        8 May 2020 07: 47
        Canadian writer James Buck stated in his book “Other Losses”: in April - September 1945, the Allies starved to death a MILLION German prisoners. This accusation caused a flurry of criticism of “negligence and falsification.” At the same time, Buck’s harshest critics admit that the camps were supplied with food very poorly. The diet of a US soldier was 4 thousand kilocalories per day, and that of a captured German was only 1,2 thousand kilocalories, that is, three times less. Although this norm was not met: the prisoners did not receive food and water for 3-4 days. At the same time, the US Army warehouses in Germany were overstocked with food: corn and canned goods were sent back - with a note: “We have no room.” This fact gives Baku the right to assert: the Allies killed captured Germans intentionally - especially since, according to the new status of DEF (“disarmed enemy forces”), they were not subject to the Geneva Convention - the Red Cross was not allowed to visit them and the acceptance of food parcels was strictly prohibited. Konrad Adenauer (Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949-1963) raised the question at the US State Department: where did the 1,5 million prisoners go? - “they didn’t return home.” He received no answer. American historian Albert Cowdrey, criticizing Buck's conclusions, cites the figure of 56 German soldiers who died of starvation. But even they are five and a half times higher than the official ones! US historians (and my dear Zementbomber (Sergey) , (“troll” and, as he considers, “ace of information warfare”) accused Buck of falsification, but were unable to provide documentary refutations of his words. It turns out that every single questionnaire with the names of captured Germans was carefully destroyed by the US military archive back in October 1945. Very interesting - why? Of course, if people like Zementbomber take as truth the statements of “incorruptible” and “impartial” Western historians, then such pearls are considered the ultimate truth - Heritage Foundation employee from the USA Ted Bromund said: the bombing of Dresden (25 thousand people died) was carried out at the request (!) Soviet Union; If anyone is to blame for the victims of Dresden, it is the Russians. Further in his article the opinion of the historian Ivans is given: “The bombing of Dresden played a much greater role for the war than the defeat of the Nazis at Stalingrad.” (but this is a question about human decency or to psychiatry and, above all, to you Zementbomber)
        1. 0
          8 May 2020 08: 16
          Yes, I am aware that if “Canadian writer James Buck” stated” (to the heap with Jarserge (Serge)) - then “this Miracle is written in the Koran and you need to Believe It.” wassat As my Acting Wife said (previously) in such cases: “Well, let’s go the Safe Method!” (after all, she tied the tubes bully ) But there is a problem: all this has already been written down a long time ago. And the sources are “slightly” more respectable than aif.ru, rg.ru and other information dumps.
          1. 0
            8 May 2020 08: 32
            Which is what should have been proven. There are two opinions: yours and the “wrong” one.
            1. 0
              10 May 2020 21: 33
              There are exact numbers from official documents that have been declassified and published a long time ago.
              The total mortality (including those executed) of Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS personnel in captivity of the Western Allies amounted to only 31.12.48 people as of December 31909, 1943. True, this number does not include those who died in Tunisia after the capitulation of GA "Africa" ​​in May 110, before they were registered as prisoners of war. But there were no more than ~XNUMX thousand people. (including also Italians, Libyans, other Arab volunteers and legionnaires of the French Foreign Legion who went to serve in the Wehrmacht). Everything else is the pornographic fantasies of those on the fringes of History, which Russian propaganda is unsuccessfully trying to replicate. Point.
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            8 May 2020 09: 12
            You know, I feel sorry for you. You have mixed up your life guidelines. Remember the classic “...you confused the reflection in the pond with the starry sky...”. You can’t prove anything to you now, it’s useless. You'll get there yourself. The main thing is that you would feel ashamed later
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              10 May 2020 21: 38
              Я not need draw "pity". And among the Russians - the opinion about my “life guidelines” and other “heaven in a pond” - I am interested in only two people: my Eldest Son and my Acting Wife. But they are not only the values ​​of “Russian World” not divide, but also, to the best of their modest strength, they persistently and skillfully resist it. hi
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                11 May 2020 08: 31
                No homeland, no honor, only money....You sold your country and will sell everything you can reach....This is your grief and your family is a mankurt.....
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                  11 May 2020 09: 29
                  I understand - "Everyone judges for himself." It is no secret that this is the main reason for the conviction of the majority of Russians in the “depravity” and other imaginary “shortcomings” of other peoples of the world. Try to think about why you put the Chinese and Koreans above all others - i.e. biomass peoples...
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                    14 May 2020 12: 44
                    The people you serve have turned a country comparable in economics to Germany and France into an “African banana” republic. You started a civil war. One half of the population hates the other, and everyone hates the Westerners. And people like you are especially hated... If the Banderaites served directly to Hitler, then you serve for money nonentities like the Turchinovs, Yatsenyuks, Poroshenkos and other Akhmetovs and Kolomoiskys, who serve second-level American officials. Not even the US government. For “lace panties” you abandoned markets and, as a result, industry. European, if not global, cesspool. Eggs, fish and potatoes poisoned by chemicals, which Europe has abandoned, are being dumped into Ukraine... In all the world's brothels, some of the cheapest Ukrainian prostitutes are... After that, you blather something about the "Russian world" which you yourself invented... You know why oligarchs invented nationalism? No one will go to fight for Poroshenko, but for the invented Ukraine... And then the people are smart. The ATO from all over the country brought together drunks and lumpen proletariat and moral monsters ready to kill their fellow citizens for money... You are scum on the wave in the toilet... Will this country fall apart or will healthy people come to replace you, you will be washed down the drain... You are nothing , malicious hirelings waste...
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                      14 September 2020 10: 40
                      I’ll just give you an anecdote that the now former Third Wife brought me from the Academy in 1998 or ’99:
                      Message from Ukrinform (this is the UA analogue of MIA Rossiya Segodnya):
                      Experts are extremely concerned. Less than 100 years have passed since Russia disappeared from the political map of the World - and Ukraine once again found itself in a serious crisis, threatening the very existence of its Statehood!

                      People like you predicted the “inevitable imminent collapse of imperialism” - for over 70 years in a row they predicted, right up to the collapse... of communism and the USSR. And they are still predicting the “inevitable imminent collapse of the dollar”, “bankruptcy of the USA”, as well as “ the end of American hegemony." I've been hearing it since the fall of 1979 - when I started watching "International Panorama" and "Today in the World". How long did this "soon" turn out to be, however! Conclusions - will you draw your own or help?
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    7 May 2020 08: 40
    reprint the bullshit of a senile Nazi?