The British Times declared "Russian atrocities" during the capture of Berlin - with reference to a member of "Jungfolk"


The hero of the article by David Crossland, published in the British edition of The Times, was 86-year-old Berliner Jörg Zonnabend. This elderly man in childhood, as the author writes, survived the assault on the German capital by Soviet troops.


Jörg was 1945 years old in 11. He, like most of his peers, was then in Jungfolk. The older children of Jörg were in the Hitler Youth.

An elderly resident of Berlin shared his memories of the capture of Berlin by Soviet troops, focusing the British on the "atrocities" of Russian soldiers.

Inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the narration of Mr. Zonnabend can even be noticed by an amateur. Apparently, something Jorg forgot, somewhere the British author added drama. Take, for example, such words in the article:

He fled from British aircraft on a low-level flight, dodging Russian bullets.

Jörg told how Russian soldiers took away watches from residents, how dead German soldiers lay on the streets with their shoes removed. He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

As for the rape of Berlin women, then, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself did not see it." Well, Zonnabend also did not see a military tribunal over those Soviet soldiers who committed crimes.

One can be surprised (after all, a certain stereotype of the British is still present), but in the comments to the article, the majority of the British who spoke did not sympathize with Jörg and agree with the author's conclusions.

One of the commentators was not at all sympathetic to little Jörg:

Am I supposed to cry - a poor boy from the Hitler Youth and his unfortunate people who crushed half of Europe under themselves? Heard about the atrocities of the Russians, how can ... But about the atrocities of the Germans, of course, have not heard?

Another Briton noted that there may have been cases of looting and violence by soldiers, but the perpetrators were severely punished for them by the Soviet command:

Individual people robbed and raped - and this is in contrast to the Germans, in whom everything was officially and approved from above.

Another commentator suggested that an atmosphere of fear reigned among locals in Berlin in 1945. After all, many of them knew about the real war crimes of the Germans in the occupied territories of the USSR, therefore, they were awaited with revenge by the Soviet soldiers:

Millions of Germans served on the Eastern Front. Regular army units regularly committed war crimes against civilians and prisoners of war. Many wrote home and boasted of their exploits in dismissal, for treatment in hospitals. The Germans were afraid of the Russians like fire — they knew what they had done on the Eastern Front!
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  1. Ataka smertnikov 5 May 2020 10: 01 New
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    "Good article" before May 9 ... Will there still be men! We hold the defense .. soldier
    Now Vlasovites and Bandera will come running with their memories
    1. Sky strike fighter 5 May 2020 10: 07 New
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      Article as an article. Full translation from the link below.
      Mr. Zonnabend says that in his childhood, German heroes of the war were like his idols, such as the commander of the submarine, Gunther Prien, who allegedly sunk more than 30 allied ships. "We collected their photographs, just like with today's superstars."

      After the Russians occupied Spandau, the battle for Berlin lasted another five days. Jörg's mother and neighbor's daughter hid from the Russian soldiers in the barn. And Jörg and his friends admired the weapons of the Red Army and stuck around the Russian camp, watching soldiers muffle fish in the Havel River with grenades.

      Russian soldiers gave them bread and slices of bacon, he recalls. Once an officer came to Jörg and his friend Bruno and ordered them to take the hot food to the soldiers on the front line - the front passed in only a few streets.

      https://inosmi.ru/social/20200504/247372268.html
      1. stalki 5 May 2020 10: 45 New
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        I read the translation, the article is complete nonsense. At least here is an excerpt "There were a lot of rapes, but we children almost didn’t see anything like that." Then what the fuck ... does he claim the Nazi sabaka?
        1. Warrior with machine gun 5 May 2020 11: 29 New
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          The funniest thing is those who publish these libelous kings, the kings of genocide, who have honed their skills for centuries (Indians, Africa, India, China, and the list goes on), who sits quietly on their nasty island and does not speak until they begin to deal with their “exploits”.
          1. krot 5 May 2020 12: 17 New
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            Anglo-Saxons in their role. To wipe Dresden off the face of the earth, this is humane and not atrocity .. Or incinerate Hiroshima with Nagasaki. Humanists. )
            1. beer-youk 5 May 2020 15: 22 New
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              All the front-line soldiers that I knew in the 60-70s, always blamed Stalin only the Vistula-Oder operation, when they put more than half a million of them to save overseas cowards, and the fact that he did not trample Germany into the dungeon. Now we are reaping the fruits of the leader’s mistakes!
              1. Abbot 5 May 2020 19: 03 New
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                What do you want from the 86-year-old Jorge, who is being bored by the British highlike expert, even if the ex-Auschwitz prisoner, the half-sister of Anne Frank, this elderly ungrateful be Eva Schloss allows herself to lie about the Soviet soldiers who liberated her? The question is rhetorical. In short, keep the punches!
                1. Aviator_ 5 May 2020 20: 16 New
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                  About the diary of Anne Frank wrote Yu.I. Mukhin. He drew attention to the fact that the diary was written with a ballpoint pen.
                  1. Zementbomber 7 May 2020 22: 59 New
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                    Even if so (which is not a fact - taking into account the "reputation" of Comrade "red bourgeois" Mukhin) - AND?? Ballpoint pens - appeared in backward century. This decade marked the 125th anniversary of their invention, EMNIS. If they appeared in the Union only under Nikita "Cornusvelt" H., and spread en masse - only under Leonid "Eyebrows-Ring-in-Nose" B. - this does not mean that in the Netherlands on the eve of WWII - they were not used ... smile
          2. kit88 5 May 2020 12: 35 New
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            All these Hollywood-touted nobility and gentlemanhood of the Anglo-Saxons. The postulates that a gentleman is always honest, noble, never offends a lady, faithful only to the same Anglo-Saxons, but not to representatives of other races.
            An example from recent history:
            ... Australian Aborigines were poisoned by dogs, they were shot for any wrongdoing, and even local Europeans had the standard fun of driving a family of indigenous people into the water with crocodiles and watching them die in agony.

            Nowadays, essentially nothing has changed. Yes, beautiful blockbusters are shot about how a white American nobly saves the next universe, it is forbidden to call a black man a black man. But this is all at the official propaganda level.
            And not officially ... who cares that millions of locals died as a result of their democratic bombing? No one. It is customary to keep silent democratically. And even if anyone finds out about it, he won’t be particularly worried at the genetic level - these are the “natives”, they don’t feel sorry for them.
          3. rich 5 May 2020 22: 56 New
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            The British Times announced "Russian atrocities" during the capture of Berlin - with reference to a member of the Jungfolk. He mentioned his bike, which the Russians “stole”.

            If the Times says it's atrocities repeat then in London hell is going on yes
            Stolen bicycles in London for 1919 (Bicycles in the database: 2415)
            In March, in London, police covered an underground warehouse of stolen bicycles, located in an ordinary private house. Some surprise is the figure of the confiscated - 250 stolen bicycles. Being familiar firsthand with the layout of English houses, I can hardly imagine how you can place so many bikes. However, if the house is two-story with a basement, then this is real. Another question is what the neighbors did when they saw such bicycle traffic.
            link http://kotovski.net/kak-voruyut-velosipedyi-v-anglii/
        2. 4ekist 5 May 2020 12: 03 New
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          What else could be read in the Galyune Times?
        3. avg
          avg 5 May 2020 14: 14 New
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          "There were many rapes, but we children saw almost nothing of the kind."

          The psychiatrist will say that - most likely, having fallen into childhood, the old man recalls his "wet dreams".
          He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

          But grandfather apparently forgot about the delicious daddy food parcels from faraway Russia.
      2. Hagen 5 May 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        An article as an article.

        Especially ".... There were many rapes, but we children didn’t see much of this ...." How did he know, especially at the time of the battle? He confirms that which he does not know. And obviously he does this, answering the question of the interviewer. And that was exactly what it was necessary for - the facts of violence of civilians by the KA soldiers .... And so, yes ... nothing special. request
        1. AU Ivanov. 5 May 2020 11: 16 New
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          But were they rape? Or by mutual agreement, for a can of stew?
          1. Hagen 5 May 2020 11: 22 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            But were they rape?

            Below I already wrote about my doubts about this. I'm glad that not one .. wink
        2. Starover_Z 5 May 2020 11: 28 New
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          Quote: Hagen
          Especially ".... There were many rapes, but we children didn’t see much of this ...." How did he know, especially at the time of the battle?

          Everyone judges by himself! Especially the "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the early years of the war, and probably a participant in folklore and Hitler!
          1. Hagen 5 May 2020 12: 26 New
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            Quote: Starover_Z
            Everyone judges by himself!

            It’s not very clear what you mean.
            Quote: Starover_Z
            Especially the "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the early years of the war, and probably a participant in folklore and Hitler’s

            Grandfather was 1945 years old in 11. On the order of Hitler of October 18, 1944, they were called up to the Volkssturm from the age of 16. At age 11, due to age, the child still has very weak beginnings of promising, and even more so critical thinking. At this age, he could remember the most vivid fragmentary personal impressions. And if he recalls today the general situation of those days, then only answering the question of the interview. To delight with the AH, when bombs are raining down on your head and there is nothing to eat, you need a clear political conviction. At 11, this is very rare and abnormal. From the point of view of pedagogy. But you have the right to think as you please ...
          2. Zementbomber 7 May 2020 23: 11 New
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            Everyone judges by himself! Especially the "memories" from an enthusiastic admirer of Adolf, in the early years of the war, and probably a participant in folklore and Hitler!
            Learn the materiel. The Volkssturm was included without fail from 16 and voluntarily from 14. In the Berlin garrison, several cases of admission to the Volkssturm in 12-13 are known.
            And membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory. Not to be admitted to the “Jugend” was also fraught with a “semi-official defeat in rights”, at least, as non-membership in the pioneers before the announcement of “socialist pluralism”.
      3. Sergey79 5 May 2020 17: 14 New
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        Every year I come to Piskarevskoye Cemetery on May 9. Standing above the knoll I always think, how many people are buried there during these months? Or I always thought about the question, but how is it to shoot 30 thousand people a day (Babi Yar)? And how much is it if you build them all? At the parade on Yard Square, only 4 thousand .... My ancestors had every moral right to put everyone under the knife ... Sometimes I regret that they once again turned out to be Russian soldiers .... Sometimes I regret that I myself am the same ....
    2. figwam 5 May 2020 10: 10 New
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      If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.
      1. Sky strike fighter 5 May 2020 10: 16 New
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        Quote: figvam
        If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.


        For comparison, the plans of the Norwegians. Why did all sorts of Scandinavians come to us.
        While German troops fought on the Eastern Front, losing all hope of a blitzkrieg, the Norwegian Nazis, led by Vidkun Quisling, were already making colonial plans. They hoped to receive land from Hitler in the east and enthusiastically recalled the Gardarik of the Viking Age, writes Dagbladet.
        Dagbladet (Norway): Quisling dreamed of Norwegian colonies

        High-ranking Norwegian Nazis wanted to take over large territories in the Soviet Union. The local population was to become slaves and work for the Norwegian "nobility"

        https://inosmi.ru/history/20200505/247341513.html
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 5 May 2020 10: 42 New
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          For comparison, the plans of the Norwegians. ... yeah, Viking on the Kursk Bulge
      2. Vita vko 5 May 2020 11: 00 New
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        Quote: figvam
        If we were as bloodthirsty as the Germans, then probably from 1945 the German people would no longer exist.

        It may be time to recall the bloodthirstiness of the United States, which dropped two atomic bombs on peaceful Japanese cities, which destroyed civilians, children and women much more than the Nazis in concentration camps. Now Americans are the best friends of the Japanese, Germans, and even Vietnamese.
        1. Mitroha 5 May 2020 12: 39 New
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          Now Americans are the best friends of the Japanese, Germans, and even Vietnamese.

          Let me fix it a bit.
          Now Americans are "best friends" of the "ruling elites" of Japan, Vietnam, Germany. They don’t use such love among the people
      3. Basil50 5 May 2020 11: 36 New
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        The article is written for the British.
        It is very similar to the writing of the twenties of the last century about the * atrocities of the Bolsheviks * against such noble occupiers. Then the British savored * the atrocities of the Bolsheviks * against the Basmachis and other * batek angels *. After WWII, the British wrote about the unthinkable torment of the Germans under the occupation of the RED Army.
        Now they write again and again call for hatred.
        Prepare their own population for * war until the last Englishman *, but why? All the same, after all, they torture or raped or a bicycle soprut. So that there is no mercy, we die all for ...., for ....., well, for democracy of course.
      4. AU Ivanov. 5 May 2020 12: 15 New
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        It's not even bloodthirstiness. The Germans were freed from the "chimera called conscience" And they began to kill with a light heart. Just kill it. Would you be able to kill a woman or a child if you were allowed to do this? It is unlikely. But they could.
      5. bars1 5 May 2020 16: 28 New
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        If the Russians were bloodthirsty, then Russia would have achieved great success in history. Without irony I say
      6. bars1 5 May 2020 16: 30 New
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        And that would be fair!
    3. Svarog 5 May 2020 10: 11 New
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      The Red Army defeated fascist Germany thanks to fortitude and strict discipline.
      And atrocities, unlike the Nazis did not do. But to pick up a watch or a bicycle, this is nonsense, unlike massacres and rapes by the Nazis, the villages burned tsuki .. and this one complains that the watch was taken away .. But the Americans on their side, along with the British, German women took advantage and looted ..
    4. Pravodel 5 May 2020 10: 45 New
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      Right Suddenly it turns out that all Germans born after the war are not Germans at all, but Russians born from raped Germans. That is the reason for cleansing the nation. Or it turns out that the Indians living in the United States on reservations are not Indians, but Russians who migrated to America after the war, who fled from the atrocities of the Red Commissars and the Bolsheviks, who flooded the geyropa. Evidence may appear that Dresden was not bombed by allies - Americans with the British, but Russians who planted explosives in houses and blew them up to drive out poor defenseless Germans from the city, joyfully meeting their American liberators. The most terrible truth will be revealed when it turns out that the Russians intentionally ruined the sewer system of Germany in order to spoil the English Channel and spoil the air and life on a beautiful island for the British ... So, get ready, friends ...
      1. Vladimir16 5 May 2020 10: 50 New
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        It was necessary to put all the Nazis on a stake. Zig shouted - at stake. It was they, paddy., Who came to us with the war.
        Apparently gently, our grandfathers acted with them judging by the Ukrainian fascists.
        And now they say that Stalin was cruel. Yes Vissarionych was too supportive of these ghouls.
        1. Zmeelov 5 May 2020 11: 59 New
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          Quote: Vladimir16
          It was necessary to put all the Nazis on a stake. Zig shouted - at stake. It was they, paddy., Who came to us with the war.
          Apparently gently, our grandfathers acted with them judging by the Ukrainian fascists.

          I read memoirs, so these Natsiks also zigzagged in the Soviet captivity (the highest composition). And ours were ordered not to touch and they ate more bastards, those who guarded them ..
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And now they say that Stalin was cruel. Yes Vissarionych was too supportive of these ghouls.

          Now these archives are opening and howling with dirt splashes even more strongly in the "world media" ..
          Compared to the current "world leaders", JV Stalin was an angel .. Sorry, but it is. How much blood is now pouring and at the same time dirt ..
          I always remember this as soon as they spit mud into the soul ..
          hi

          But everyone forgot about it ..
    5. Hlavaty 5 May 2020 10: 50 New
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      Quote: Ataka smertnikov
      A good article "before May 9 ... Will there still be men! We keep the defense ..

      The best defense is offensive.
      But in reality, as always, they will silently wipe themselves off. Instead of dragging the courts and the Times and this under-hitler. Or else come up with a lot of all sorts of problems for slanderers.
      For example, revoke the accreditation and visas of Times workers.
    6. prior 5 May 2020 11: 18 New
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      I regret that the captured Nazis who survived were released home. It was necessary to keep them at work to restore the destroyed country until his death, as an example to the rest.
      And now it’s not too late to amend the Constitution that the soldiers of other countries captured, remain in captivity for life.
      We have work on the improvement of the country - immeasurably, eternal prisoners would be very useful.
      England - the birthplace of piracy, she would be silent in a rag ....
    7. ioan-e 5 May 2020 12: 04 New
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      We hold the defense .. soldier
      Exactly, and now all sorts of old Ryabtsevs (Venediktov) and Gozmans will uncover their garbage mouths!
  2. venik 5 May 2020 10: 02 New
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    "....The British Times declared the “Russian atrocities” in the capture of Berlin... "
    ======
    That's right. And what else remains for them ?? Recognize that World War II was won "on our shoulders" (on the shoulders of our fathers and grandfathers) ??? But what about the "decisive role" of the arrogant Saxons - the true bearers of "democracy"?
    1. nikon7717 5 May 2020 10: 33 New
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      What else do they have left? Compose a West. according to which the indigenous population of the Third Reich was to be destroyed, or they had to be used as slaves in their former lands. And only US bombers erasing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, sacrificing thousands of peaceful japans, stopped this criminal plan of the conquerors of Berlin and Europe.
  3. gabonskijfront 5 May 2020 10: 02 New
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    The boy was nervous during the assault. I would have abused him right now at such a bastard.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 5 May 2020 10: 45 New
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      The boy was nervous during the assault ...... but maybe this is not a German boy but a wheelchair?
      1. venik 5 May 2020 10: 58 New
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        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        The boy was nervous during the assault .....

        ========
        "...Yes - was there a boy, maybe a boy did not have? ... "(M. Gorky" The Life of Klim Samghin ")
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 5 May 2020 11: 06 New
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          .Yes - was there a boy, maybe there wasn’t a boy? ...... well, the boy was definitely a wheelchair. and this little woman rather in line stood for porridge from the Soviet camp kitchen. I didn’t see any porridge. she’s a marching kitchen, not rubber, that’s offended
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  4. veritas 5 May 2020 10: 03 New
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    As for the rape of Berlin women, then, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself did not see it." Well, Zonnabend also did not see a military tribunal over those Soviet soldiers who committed crimes.

    I saw nothing and heard something .. but the noise raised.
    Jörg told how Russian soldiers took the watch away from residents, how dead German soldiers lay on the streets with their shoes removed. He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

    And are these atrocities in his opinion?
    The Western world began to whine before celebrating its defeat.
    1. sabakina 5 May 2020 10: 11 New
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      Obviously, for this German, hijacking a children's bike is a mortal sin on par with the Bible. But I would not be surprised if he, like hundreds of other Berlin children, ran to Russian cuisines for porridge.

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        And if you also rummage where exactly this lisaped was from ... there will be many unpleasant questions for the Germans. am
    2. Altona 5 May 2020 10: 34 New
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      Quote: veritas
      And are these atrocities in his opinion?

      ----------------------
      These wristwatches are worn like a written case. These watches and binoculars in Germany were like dirt. Only for German pilots the watch was produced by three companies, the famous navigator design. At the same time, jewelry stores met on the way, where, imagine, there were also watch deposits. If we recall the allies, then the Americans did not at all disdain robberies and requisitions, as well as "intercourse by consent" for just a couple of fildekosovye stockings or women's underwear. Moreover, all these "acquaintances with the exchange" were in every park or square. At the same time, I am silent about the Moroccans who inseminated the entire population of Southern Italy, including boys and boys, and not just women and girls.
  5. ALARI 5 May 2020 10: 04 New
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    After everything that their relatives did on the territory of the USSR, they thought they would get rid of tomatoes? Naive. Rule Woe to the vanquished, no one has canceled.
  6. Pashhenko Nikolay 5 May 2020 10: 08 New
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    And that witness was not lucky to visit the concentration camps? And he could have testified a lot about the atrocities.
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      scoffed at the Germans in concentration camps apparently
    2. Servisinzhener 5 May 2020 10: 24 New
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      Of course not. Because the "bloody Stalinist regime" did not allow the population of the controlled territories to pass through the death camps. About which in these territories "no one knew."
  7. Ryaruav 5 May 2020 10: 15 New
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    this old senility yes to the siege of Leningrad send
    1. fruit_cake 5 May 2020 11: 25 New
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      better in Dresden during the Anglo-American bombing
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        A lot of honor. Khatyn shed is such a place. And Bandera at the door with kerosene to help.
  8. Servisinzhener 5 May 2020 10: 16 New
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    He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.
    What a coincidence. I remember Merkel also stole a bicycle ... laughing
    If the Soviet soldiers and Soviet power would be like all of these Western scribes now write about them. There would be no one to share memories of the "horrors of the Soviet occupation" and build museums on this subject.
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 May 2020 11: 29 New
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      Note - the bike was deprived. And her compatriots took their lives, for no reason.
  9. 1536 5 May 2020 10: 16 New
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    In Russia there is such a concept: "Do not dirty your hands."
    So, with the capture of Berlin, the Russians did not bite their hands on the Nazi evil spirits, both male and female.
    And "British journalists" should go to the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which contains archival documents regarding the capture of Berlin and the situation in it of the peaceful German population, which the Red Army fed and watered.
  10. Barmaleyka 5 May 2020 10: 17 New
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    original times
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/ve-day-anniversary-bodies-littered-the-streets-as-russians-stormed-berlin-z7hsrlz6q
    for the sake of truth, and frank nonsense is present who can say how two 11 year old boys can deliver a havchik even for one department
    1. sabakina 5 May 2020 10: 32 New
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      Yes Easy! Two children's bicycles are taken, garden cars are added to them, and voila, the vehicle for transporting hot food is ready. Just pedal. It is not clear why children should be sent to the front line? recourse
      1. Barmaleyka 5 May 2020 10: 35 New
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        Well, in the first place, they already hijacked a bicycle, in the second they need garden cars, in the third they need to be attached to the bicycle, in the fourth, fifth, sixth ....
        1. sabakina 5 May 2020 10: 42 New
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          Actually, you're right. It is only the Russians in the garden wheelbarrow who can take the milling machine away.
          1. Barmaleyka 5 May 2020 10: 53 New
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            for the sake of truth, even we are not capable of it, only if in parts, the trolley can’t stand it
  11. Metallurg_2 5 May 2020 10: 18 New
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    "He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians" stole "."
    Maybe this grandfather was the same woman who takes a bicycle from a soldier on a famous photojab? And then he did a sex change operation?
    1. sabakina 5 May 2020 10: 35 New
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      In my childhood, too, the Breeze was stolen. Well, the one that from three-wheeled turned into two-wheeled. laughing Who to blame? request
      1. Barmaleyka 5 May 2020 10: 53 New
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        Who to blame?

        definitely Shenderovich
      2. fruit_cake 5 May 2020 11: 25 New
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        Vin KGB and GULAG
    2. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 38 New
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      sewn nipple? laughing
  12. rotmistr60 5 May 2020 10: 19 New
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    focusing the British on the "atrocities" of Russian soldiers.
    It is not surprising that the British journalist printed this nonsense and it is not surprising that before May 9th. A massive outreach attack on Russia continues, and even a pandemic is not a hindrance. Maybe the British should interview an survivor of the Dresden resident after the English bombardment? That would be really instructive.
    1. Metallurg_2 5 May 2020 10: 42 New
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      This is not politically correct: "it drives a wedge between NATO allies to please Russia."
    2. Crimean partisan 1974 5 May 2020 11: 00 New
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      Maybe the British should interview the survivor of the Dresden resident after the English bombardment? ..... but the bombers’s campaign on Hamburg itself. it was a complete LONO for the civilian population
  13. knn54 5 May 2020 10: 20 New
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    But the Times did not find a resident of Dresden? Very sorry.
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    The English woman craps, craps and will always crap.
    That's all, the question is settled.
  15. Irek 5 May 2020 10: 22 New
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    Small britters shit on small.
  16. tihonmarine 5 May 2020 10: 24 New
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    Interesting judgments about Russian atrocities. But everyone is silent about Hitler's atrocities, forgetting Leningrad and Babi Yar near Kiev, burning Smolensk and burning Rostov, burning Russian huts. Everyone forgets the carpet bombing of 3000 aircraft to Dresden and other German cities, and even about Buchenwald and hundreds of other death camps. And in general, no one recalls the biggest atrocities of the 20th century, the Japanese "Detachment 731" nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Berlin lies on the conscience of Hitler, his generals, the Germans defending Berlin, Volkssturm and Hitler Youth. If they surrendered and signed the surrender of Berlin, before the assault, hundreds of thousands of Germans would be alive. Glory to our soldiers who tore the defenders of Berlin “like a Tuzik hot-water bottle”, Glory and eternal memory to the fallen heroes and my grandfather Tomas who died near Berlin.
  17. Julius Caesar 5 May 2020 10: 25 New
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    Soviet soldiers took the watch and removed shoes from the corpses ... what a horror! It’s a matter of pretty Germans in occupied Kiev ...
    1. Pereira 5 May 2020 10: 31 New
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      Curious how they would like the Russians to act? How right? I would love to hear the western version.
      1. Julius Caesar 5 May 2020 10: 35 New
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        From the point of view of Europeans and Americans, the most correct behavior of Soviet soldiers would be to lay down their arms in 1941 and allow a more advanced nation to integrate itself in the form of suitcases and lampshades. And our entire liberal party fully supports them in this.
        1. Pereira 5 May 2020 10: 43 New
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          This is just understandable.
          I mean, how should Russians behave in occupied enemy cities?
          We know how civilized Europeans behave in the wild East. On the contrary, how should it be?
          However, after a little thought, I independently found the answer.
          As you know, Alexander 1 imagined himself to be a brisk European and a favorite of the liberal hangout of the 19th century.
          Creeping in front of England made the army creep. This is described in historical literature.
          And libermans love to tell how almost half of the Russian army chose freedom and democracy, and fled. Therefore, Alexander 1 hastily fled from Paris to Russia as if not faster than Napoleon fleeing Russia.
        2. sabakina 5 May 2020 10: 49 New
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          Supports in the form of suitcases or lampshades? In general, a quality chyumadan lives longer, sometimes longer than a person. laughing
          1. Julius Caesar 5 May 2020 10: 53 New
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            They suffer from the fact that the bloody ghoul Stalin deprived them of the opportunity to be a lampshade in the house of a highly developed burgher ...
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        Well, how to: understand and forgive.
  18. Altona 5 May 2020 10: 28 New
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    Still alive are people who know how it really was, this article-tragedyfare looks like a stupid mockery at the memory of those who died in that war from the atrocities of Nazism and the Germans themselves, although others, such as: Hungarians, Latvians, were noticed in servitude and indefatigable cruelty Italians and Spaniards, Finns and a whole fan of collaborators from the eastern territories. Now essentially:
    1) The German Reich waged a war of destruction with the Soviet Union, cities and villages were destroyed, industry and collective farms were robbed, the population was destroyed or stolen to work in Reich. It was not a walk in either Belgium or France, where they simply changed the national flags to Reich flags and then continued to pour liquor and hug the cocotte.
    2) The Wehrmacht committed war crimes and robberies totally and with impunity, the population of the USSR was for him a lower rank, at the level of domestic animals.
    3) Other services and special services of the Reich also committed war crimes.
    4) The Reich territory was bombed by both the Royal Air Force of Great Britain and the Allied Air Force. The result of the Allied bombing was comparable to the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and even cooler, but for some reason the British media did not cover this fact. The bombing of the Allies brought the civilian population of Germany the same unbearable suffering. They were carried out according to a special scenario, according to which there was a total destruction of urban infrastructure, ring fire of residential areas, the impossibility of the normal functioning of the police, fire and medical services.
    Therefore, the naive tales of the German grandfather are somehow not impressive.
  19. svp67 5 May 2020 10: 31 New
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    Well, thank God that with the memory of most Britons everything is fine ... they still remember their fear of the 1940 model ...
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    It is worth pitying a young boy, as in the rest of the English press! Probably an excursion to the town of Khatyn slightly changed the consciousness of the young victim
  21. Hagen 5 May 2020 10: 44 New
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    As for the rape of Berlin women, then, according to the pensioner, "they were, but he only knows about them from the stories of others, he himself did not see it."

    According to the recollections of our soldiers and soldiers from the "second front", the situation for the non-military population in occupied Germany was catastrophic, and the Germans gave themselves to the soldiers who arrived almost for nothing, for a piece of soap. Of course, giving birth after this method of survival, they could justify themselves to their neighbors and relatives with whom they remained, only by violence from the soldiers. However, given the number of convicted Soviet soldiers for crimes related to sexual and property-related violence, their level was not high and the whole war was kept in insignificant amounts by harsh methods of prosecuting criminals by the command. There is a lot of documentary evidence for this. As, however, there is a lot of evidence of the absence or insignificant reaction of the command of the Anglo-American troops to the manifestations of violence by the soldiers subordinate to them. Moreover, there is documentary evidence of the atrocities perpetrated, for example, by Moroccan gummers. The Moroccans were average warriors, but they managed to surpass even the Nazis in the brutal killings of prisoners. The Gumiers could not and did not want to abandon the ancient practice of cutting ears and noses from corpses of enemies. But the main horror of the settlements, which included Moroccan soldiers, was the massive rape of civilians. One of the most terrible deeds of the Moroccan hummers in Europe is the story of the liberation of Monte Cassino from the Nazis. The allies managed to capture this ancient abbey of central Italy on May 14, 1944. Historians testify that after the battle, the Moroccan gumiers committed brutal pogroms in the surrounding villages. All girls and women were raped, and teenage boys were not saved. The reports of the 71st German Division record 600 rapes of women in the small town of Spigno in just three days. After their final victory at Cassino command declared “fifty hours of freedom” - southern Italy was torn to pieces by Moroccans for three days. What does that say lawlessness encouraged by the English command. However, today, the once respected publication is engaged in frank juggling of facts and undisguised lies from the political situation. At the same time, the authors very cunningly present the material - they do not present their own statements, they refer to a certain 86-year-old German who also did not see anything, but knows everything from other people's (unknown to anyone) words. Do not sue either of them! However, British citizens (and this supposedly history is written for them) does not care, they have no questions about the veracity of the article. This is how public opinion is formed / corrected. I would like RT to work for an English-speaking audience no less persistently, but conclusively. Thank God, evidence of our interpretation of WWII history is abundant.
    1. Zementbomber 7 May 2020 23: 46 New
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      a lot of evidence of the absence or insignificant reaction of the command of the Anglo-American troops to the manifestations of violence by their subordinate soldiers

      Well ... only for serious crimes against the civilian population - was brought to criminal liability on 08.05.45/0.53/69 - XNUMX% of the personnel of the Expeditionary Force (i.e., excluding crimes in the UK, Iceland, Greenland and Svalbard) US Army in Europe. Including XNUMX pax - Hanged for rape murder, murder and "just" rape.
      This is the official data of Judge Advocate General's Corps, published in the USSR during the years of the "deep" cold war "and recognized by the IVI of the USSR Ministry of Defense as reliable. not was going.
      1. Hagen 8 May 2020 06: 01 New
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        Well ...

        Apparently, from the comfort of life under the occupation of Anglo-American troops, did the Germans massively break into the "Soviet" zone?
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          But did they "break"? bully So - a very unpleasant crap called "historical facts" - testifies exactly the opposite. bully
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            But did they "break"?

            Taki, yes. After the end of hostilities ... In April, they rushed to the west, and then vice versa, having tasted ...
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              The source of this non-trivial statement - present, plz? wink
    2. Zementbomber 7 May 2020 23: 49 New
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      Moroccans were average warriors

      Lies - Germans rated them highly even in the 1940 campaign. And in 1942-45. - and even more so. In any case - much higher than the "natural" French. Or Italians. Or - the "Negro" divisions of the US Army.
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        Lies - Germans rated them highly even in the 1940 campaign.

        That is, the lawlessness created by them in the occupied territory you do not question. Already good laughing
        1. Zementbomber 8 May 2020 06: 25 New
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          Not - not I deny. For I think that with the population and the military personnel of the “Axis powers” ​​it was possible to do the FFSO. Well, here you are - AT ALL FFSO !!
          PS The Commander-in-Chief of the French Armed Forces in 1945, the Marshal of France (then the Army General) de Latre de Tassigny, considered the same.
          PSS Crocodile Russian tears for "innocently murdered Germans and Italians" - delivered separately. Special Olympics is a class!
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            Quote: Zementbomber
            For I think that with the population and the military personnel of the “Axis powers” ​​it was possible to do the FFSO. Well, here you are - AT ALL FFSO !!

            In a word, do you fully acknowledge the Wehrmacht + SS behavior in the territories occupied by them as permissible? What Marshal of France considered Russian was not a decree. It was not appropriate for us to be guided by the opinion of those who were admitted to the winning team because of spiritual kindness, but not what they deserved. By the way, under whose flag do you live? Regarding the "tears" I would recommend to be more accurate. Individual "geeks" do not characterize the mood of all Russians.
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              In a word, do you fully acknowledge the Wehrmacht + SS behavior in the territories occupied by them as permissible?

              Of course, I admit. In cases where this was dictated by military necessity, the Central Intelligence Center is reasonable.
              What Marshal of France considered Russian was not a decree.

              Reasonably TsTSO - not the decree. Like the Russians, Marshal of France.
              By the way, under whose flag do you live?

              As you might have guessed, it’s definitely not under yours. smile
              Regarding the "tears" I would recommend to be more accurate. Individual "geeks" do not characterize the mood of all Russians.

              "That - taka on the right ..." bully But seriously - such positions - quite easily replaying the Central Operations Center. smile
              1. Hagen 8 May 2020 07: 42 New
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                In cases where this was dictated by military necessity, the Central Intelligence Center is reasonable.

                The trick of the sadistic killer. Unfortunately, not all of them were caught and hanged. In the future, we need to adjust our attitude towards such “fellow members”.
                Quote: Zementbomber
                Reasonably TsTSO - not the decree. Like the Russians, Marshal of France.

                The “French Marshals” are only capable of cutting their women abandoned under the occupier when they are allowed to return to their territory. But we are not imposed on them as teachers (unlike them).
                Quote: Zementbomber
                As you might have guessed, it’s definitely not under yours.

                Another fugitive for a fat burger ... Do you have to talk about our tears?
                1. Zementbomber 10 May 2020 20: 33 New
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                  The trick of the sadistic killer. Unfortunately, not all of them were caught and hanged. In the future, we need to adjust our attitude towards such “fellow members”.

                  Well ... I suppose - the "fellow" will definitely take this into account. And they also “adjust their attitude to those who have“ adjusted their attitude. ”À la guerre comme à la guerre.
                  The “French Marshals” are only capable of cutting their women abandoned under the occupier when they are allowed to return to their territory.

                  Cheap show-offs. In 99.99% ... of cases, they testify that their pounding is a loser and a coward. And he knows about himself. hi
                  Another fugitive for a fat burger ... Do you have to talk about our tears?

                  I’m not interested in tears from the word “in general”. Drawn and under no circumstances. I over 33 years ago last cried. And yes - unlike some - I did not betray either the Socialist Fatherland, the newfound "Nationalist Fatherland", or the State with which the Contract had. And he took the oath only once.
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                    Quote: Zementbomber
                    I’m not interested in tears from the word “in general”. Drawn and under no circumstances.

                    I answered your mention of "crocodile tears." Have you forgotten where to start? Actually, they really didn’t say anything ... so, they poured water ...
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                      The standard technique for someone who has nothing to say is to say that they did not say anything to the point. Will not shoot. smile The audience here is really predominantly (although by no means all unconditional) very “specific” in terms of intellect, morality, and education - but even most of such an audience will still read the discussion tree.
                      Well, I advise you to look in the literature - what is the difference between sympathy for tears and obvious sarcasm on the subject "crocodile tears. "
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                        The audience here ..... is very "specific" in terms of both intelligence and morality, and education ....

                        Where is she to the modern heirs of the ideas of ss and other "uber alles"? wassat
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                        Wow - "her" is far away even and to such ... bully
  • Igoresha 5 May 2020 10: 49 New
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    not finished off, you bastard
  • Gardamir 5 May 2020 10: 51 New
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    It’s good to scold the Germans and the British, but who in Russia gives money for anti-Soviet propaganda? On filming scum of penal battalions and other dirt of a lower rank.
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      Quote: Gardamir
      It’s good to scold the Germans and the British, but who in Russia gives money for anti-Soviet propaganda? On filming scum of penal battalions and other dirt of a lower rank.

      ---------------
      Like who? All the same newly made "British citizens" of Russian origin, who treat us about the same as the Wehrmacht during the war. They have already prepared QR-ausweis, muzzles, a digital commandant’s office for us, they are already pumping resources to the Fourth Reich, we already have a bunker with a “world-class” politician from whose soulful speeches all women are milling. We already have plaques hung up for the “warriors of the empire” and police patrols are being introduced on the streets to fine just about anything.
  • Vadim Golubkov 5 May 2020 10: 58 New
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    After what they did in the USSR, the USSR and Soviet soldiers had the moral right to completely wipe them off the face of the earth. One German soldier even said this.
  • Vladimir_2U 5 May 2020 10: 59 New
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    Of course atrocities, like some sort of Russian dare, in Berlin !, shoot at anglo-saxon German ?! Atrocity as is.
  • Crystal of Truth 5 May 2020 11: 00 New
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    Well, what’s so special .. In war, as in war .. Lose, get
  • Ru_Na 5 May 2020 11: 06 New
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    The British should publish about the atrocities of the Nazis and their mongrels, as well as about their first concentration camps and bullying of the Boers!
  • Zaurbek 5 May 2020 11: 22 New
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    Any atrocities of Soviet soldiers in Germany, nothing in comparison with what the Germans, Hungarians and Romanians did with the civilian population in the occupation.
  • cniza 5 May 2020 11: 42 New
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    Apparently, something Jorg forgot, somewhere the British author added drama.


    But to take him and put him on trial for "drama" ...
  • Chingachguk 5 May 2020 11: 44 New
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    Well, on May 9 on the nose !!!! How else !?
    Apparently, according to the Anglo-Saxons, after the millions of people killed by the Nazis exhausted in concentration camps, after the treacherous allusion to Germany in the USSR, the Nazis should have been murdered tenderly! And it’s better not to touch even after reaching Berlin, to give up arms to surrender and admit defeat, otherwise it all turned out not good ....
  • Shadow041 5 May 2020 12: 02 New
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    After the Nazis alive burned whole villages in the sheds in Russia, they shot the entire population of a number of villages, and the corpses were dumped into wells, any retaliatory actions of the Russian army are justified! By the way, the Anglo-Saxons bombed entire cities in Germany, such as Dresden and the only reason for these bombings was revenge for the Nazi bombings of London ... Something the Anglo-Saxons do not scold themselves, they are supposedly saints ... soon the nymph will begin to glow on their asses .. .
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      ... I understand the feelings expressed earlier, it turns me off (not so much from the Germans as from the British). III? Next we will start YOURSELF? Collectively. She doesn’t chat here! ... And they just know that "to answer for the bazaar" they don’t have to, they’re getting impudent. And they are rolling out, rolling us ... Well, M. Zakharova will speak, maybe the ritual is already like that.
      And the mass of shares in strategic companies, industries where; where is gold exported to; where are the descendants of the elite building their lives?
      Everything is sad for us, insulting for veterans ...
      Happy Holiday! ..
  • gvozdan 5 May 2020 12: 24 New
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    It was not necessary to spare either the Germans or the French. To send the entire male population beyond the Urals to raise virgin lands. Inoculate all future aggressors
    1. AU Ivanov. 5 May 2020 13: 19 New
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      It’s not with us, we are not Nazis.
  • NordUral 5 May 2020 12: 37 New
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    And are these allies of the 2nd World War? Thanks to those English for remembering the truth!
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    Well, a bicycle is generally too much, how dare they should have been to the Nuremberg Tribunal for this)))
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    He was running from british airplanes on shaving flightdodging Russian bullets.

    Maybe it was easier to leave immediately in the stratosphere? what laughing
    And as for the atrocities, not the minor Britons about how to go crazy.
    It is enough to recall the millions of dead Indians, in this "pearl of the English crown", the primacy of the death camps during the Boer War, the genocide of the Indians of North America !!!
    But who knows where else these fiends of Hell were noted !!!
    about the removed shoes and watches, maybe the Germans themselves and their population were noted in this?
    I immediately recall the “millions” of raped German women, what Pin’s troops did before these, England and France, but blamed the Russians for everything. Although we had been shot for such crimes and no one in their right mind would risk their own lives, at the end of that bloody war.
    When it comes to atrocities, then this should be redirected to the Naglossaks immediately! yes fool
  • Lord of the Sith 5 May 2020 13: 20 New
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    Typical order before May 9th. They dug up the old senile fart, and even then they most likely took phrases out of context and distorted.
  • Dimy4 5 May 2020 13: 35 New
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    The worst atrocities of Soviet soldiers, according to these Western "historians", are that Soviet soldiers captured Berlin and defeated fascism. All this went against the plans of the Anglo-American bigwigs.
  • Romanenko 5 May 2020 13: 35 New
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    I think, given the centuries-old experience of communicating with Britain, their "news" can immediately be sent to spam, the same place where they recently dumped garbage under the heading "fresh hounds."
  • iouris 5 May 2020 13: 39 New
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    Do they write about the atrocities of Poles and Czechs against ethnic Germans after the war? On the destruction of the cities of Cologne, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and dozens of Japanese cities?
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    The clock was always taken. You can also get to Berlin faster by bike. There was a story of one topographer from heavy artillery - a bicycle helped them move and do height measurements for maps and guns. The clockwork is delicate and often goes bad in war; a soldier cannot be without a watch. So real events, for victory over the enemy, everything will work out. A lie and millions of dollars have been added to the grain of truth - just to quickly forget about their desire to destroy Russia in that war. All of Europe, all the power of the European economy was against Russia - it did not work out. So they want to forget it. Cultural Europe and non-cultural history
  • ZaharoFF 5 May 2020 14: 59 New
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    I did not see anything, but I heard, I swear by my SS dad. Brushed the British, fantasies completely zero.
  • Katanikotael 5 May 2020 18: 46 New
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    So the Ukrainians took Berlin, why aren’t you reading honored historians?
    1. Sniper Amateur 7 May 2020 04: 26 New
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      I’ll tell you more - they told us at the ideological classes that when he was captured in the 45th, the Poles also distinguished themselves steeply, and not just us. laughing Natural horse cavalry. laughing Lancers, EMNIP, some (I'm in grades shit cavalry is not very ...).
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        As for lancers and other hussars - this is either a joke or a bike of course smile - but the reality was this:
        In the Battle of Berlin, the following combat units of the 1st Army of the Polish Army (PKNO) participated in the Red Army:
        1st Warsaw Infantry Division Tadeusz Kosciuszko
        2nd Pomeranian howitzer brigade
        The 1st separate heavy mortar brigade, operatively subordinated since March 1945 to the 47th Army of the 1st Belorussian Front.
        In total - about 12 thousand soldiers and officers of the "red" Polish Army.
        At the beginning of the assault, Polish formations participated in battles 60 km north of Berlin. On the evening of April 29, the Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army, Army General (later Marshal of Poland) Michal Role-Jimerski, asked "in the name of the Party and Government of Poland" the commander of the front of the Soviet Union Marshal G.K Zhukov on obtaining consent for the participation of Polish forces in the direct assault on Berlin. After obtaining the consent of the Supreme Commander, an order was issued to redeploy the 1st front to Berlin. The transfer ended by 7:00 a.m. Moscow time on April 30 and from that moment the Polish soldiers and officers participated in the last battles for Berlin itself. The Poles fought in the western part of Tiergarten, making their way in the direction of the Reichstag, in the area of ​​the Polytechnic and the Branderburg Gate. They occupied 56 city blocks, 7 factory complexes, 4 metro stations and most of the buildings of the Polytechnic. 2550 prisoners were taken.
        On May 2, 1945, during the offensive through Tiergarten, conducted by the 2nd battalion and part of the 1st battalion of the 3rd infantry regiment and the tank battalion of the Soviet 66th tank brigade, soldiers of the 7th battery of the 1st regiment of the light artillery division them. Kosciuszko was installed in the middle of the third floor of the Victory Column in the Tiergarten park with a Polish white and red flag. Another flag, on the balustrade of the second floor, according to the recollections of Lieutenant Peter Potapsky, was hung out by soldiers of the 8th battery of the 3rd division. The third flag was also raised. After the surrender of the garrison of the city, white and red flags also hung on the Zigishaul column and at the Branderburg Gate. And on the famous pediment of the Reichstag - there are inscriptions in Polish.
        So leading your "ideological studies" - quite even not invented. smile
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          Hmm ... I didn’t know - thanks! We were told about the Polish Lancers in Berlin - they were told in an ironic sense.
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    He fled from British aircraft on a low-level flight, dodging Russian bullets. laughing Grandpa is clearly out of his mind. and for a snack So, in the material of the information portal "NolitNavigator" drew attention to the fact that ordinary Russians answered the Czechs for the demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague by similar measures. As an illustration of such a development of events, the source indicated a video posted on the website of the Other Russia party. This video captures the events unfolding at night at the city station in Chelyabinsk.

    “In the video you can see how unknown people strike a monument with an object similar to a sledgehammer, and the banner“ Answer Konev! ”Is displayed next to them,” they comment on what is happening in the publication ....
    Source: https://politpuzzle.ru/163829-obychnye-rossiyane-otvetili-cheham-za-snos-pamyatnika-marshalu-konevu-v-prage/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
  • Abbot 5 May 2020 19: 46 New
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    He also mentioned his bicycle, which the Russians “stole”.

    In the original there is such a passage: "He and his friends cleaned the yachts that the British took from the local yacht club. They fed them for this."

    So, cruel Russians took great for themselves, and intelligent Britons took yachts.
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    Everything is in the style of small-shaven !!! - It’s not clear what, but disgusting.
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    and where is the "atrocities" then? what "took the clock" is "atrocities"?
    or the fact that he was "taken away a bicycle"?
    I really thought that they were massively shot or poisoned in "gas chambers" as the Hans practiced in the USSR
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  • Lekz 6 May 2020 16: 04 New
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    Regardless of the cockroaches in the head of this German and other Times there, ours should adhere to the principle of “An eye for an eye” (Exodus Books (21: 23-27)). Maybe then it would have been deposited in the memory that it is not worth doing Russian nasty things. And the monuments would stand and be protected carefully from sin away.
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    Everything is as it should be, at first he managed it himself, well, when he was young, and now mass disinformation has helped, just a little more and he will remember about childhood enuresis due to the name of Stalin, in the year 35.
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    is it necessary, it turns out, are the shavers now the guardians of humanity? .. Are they the same shavers who invented concentration camps, who did not hesitate to slander India, Bengal, a number of African countries, a bunch of their colonies, etc.? Nude ...
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    The atrocities committed by the Nazis in their Russian homeland, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NO FORGIVENESS!
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    Am I supposed to cry - a poor boy from the Hitler Youth and his unfortunate people who crushed half of Europe under themselves?

    good laughing
    But expose as a defamatory argument:
    with reference to the Jungfolke member
    - this is ATstoy. “Jungfolk” was then as obligatory as the October Pioneers, different under the first secretaries of the Politburo of the CPSU. SA or SS - by the way, too. If you weren’t taken to any of them, it was like "omitted."
  • Evil 55 7 May 2020 05: 52 New
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    And about 628 settlements burned by the Nazis together with their inhabitants, little Jörg did not know and simply does not remember .. It is necessary to refresh the memory of Europe with Russian troops as part of any joint military games ..
  • Lynx2000 7 May 2020 06: 45 New
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    I remember that the Soviet-American documentary series "Unknown War" was repeatedly broadcast on TV earlier.
    Maybe our Ministry of Culture doesn’t spend money on “films about the war by May 9th,” but rather hires a Hollywood director, such as Oliver Stone, a good screenwriter, military consultants and historians with access to archive funds.
    To make a documentary (serial) with the details of the Great Patriotic War, from the attack to the storming of Berlin with the post-war stage.
    Maybe when the western bourgeoisie sees through the eyes of a fighter participating in street battles, then she will understand a little that during the assault there is no strength, no desire to loot and rape ...
    Russia to solve the problem, to buy time for the broadcast of the film about the war on their television.
    1. Zementbomber 7 May 2020 23: 57 New
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      So already done with the film "Victory" on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the surrender of the Reich. Purchased sessions with free admission. "did not fire" The PR result (as they would say now) is even "gone into the red."
  • Jarserge 7 May 2020 06: 49 New
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    Let’s just suppose that the “atrocities” of the Red Army took place. Why do we allow? And because, unlike the British and Americans in the Red Army, there was an unequivocally tribunal for the insults against the local population, a harsh Stalin tribunal. Where for disobeying a sergeant a penal company or 5-7 years of camps. But not the Germans babble about "atrocities" after more than 20 million civilians physically destroyed in the occupied territories. Much has been written about raped, burned alive, and by no means fiction. The Germans would visit Sachsenhausen, in principle, in Berlin itself.
    1. Zementbomber 8 May 2020 00: 02 New
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      unlike the British and Americans in the Red Army, there was an unequivocally tribunal for insults against the local population

      No "Unlike". The Western Allies have military police and military justice too. "not pears know what they were doing. "
      Only for serious crimes against the civilian population –– 08.05.45% of the personnel of the Expeditionary Force (that is, excluding crimes in the UK, Iceland, Greenland and Svalbard) of the US Army in Europe were prosecuted on 0.53/69/XNUMX. Including XNUMX pax - Hanged for rape murder, murder and "just" rape.
      This is the official data of Judge Advocate General's Corps, published in the USSR during the years of the "deep" cold war "and recognized by the IVI of the USSR Ministry of Defense as reliable. So - about all the" general creation, what the hell! "- the Allies talk about not was going.
  • Jarserge 7 May 2020 07: 04 New
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    By the way about the British, I completely forgot. When in 1945 they began to count the captured Germans, a "million" was lost. Everybody counted both Germans and French and Americans and Russians. And then the British confessed so modestly that the food was not enough and they died. The Germans do not want to remember this, they have one owner with the British
    1. Zementbomber 8 May 2020 00: 07 New
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      When in 1945 they began to count the captured Germans, a "million" was lost. Everybody counted both Germans and French and Americans and Russians. And then the British confessed so modestly, they say food was not enough and they died

      But this is a primitive lie. negative The mass mortality of German and Italian prisoners from starvation and (mainly) a shortage of fresh water and related diseases - really was. Once in Tunisia in May-June 1943. A lot of them died then, yes - but much less than 100 thousand.
      1. Jarserge 8 May 2020 07: 05 New
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        Primitive lies are your dear skate. So continue to exist.
      2. Jarserge 8 May 2020 07: 47 New
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        James Buck, a writer from Canada, stated in his book Other Losses: In April-September 1945, the Allies starved a MILLION German prisoners. This accusation caused a flurry of complaints of “negligence and fraud.” At the same time, the most severe critics of Buck admit that the camps were very poorly supplied with food. The diet of a US soldier was 4 thousand kilocalories per day, and a captured German was only 1,2 thousand kilocalories, that is, three times less. Although this norm was not fulfilled: prisoners did not receive food and water for 3-4 days. At the same time, the US Army’s warehouses in Germany were overstocked: corn and canned food were sent back, with a note: “We have no place.” This fact gives Baku the right to assert: the allies intentionally killed captured Germans - all the more so according to the new DEF status (“disarmed enemy forces”) they did not fall under the Geneva Convention - they did not allow the Red Cross to them and strictly prohibited the acceptance of food parcels. Konrad Adenauer (Chancellor of Germany in 1949-1963) raised the question at the US State Department: where did 1,5 million prisoners go? “They haven't returned home.” He received no reply. The American historian Albert Cowdry, criticizing Buck's findings, cites the figure of 56 German soldiers who died of starvation. But even they are five and a half times higher than the official ones! Historians of the USA (and I disrespect Zementbomber (Sergey) , (the “troll” and as he considers the “ace of information war”) accused Buck of falsifications, however, they could not present documentary refutations of his words. It turns out that every single questionnaire with the names of captured Germans was carefully destroyed by the US military archive back in October 1945. It is very interesting - why? Of course, if the likes of Zementbomber take the allegations of “incorruptible” and “impartial” Western historians as truth, then such pearls are considered the ultimate truth - US Heritage Foundation employee Ted Bromund said: the bombing of Dresden (25 thousand people died) was carried out at the request of (!) Soviet Union; if anyone is to blame for the victims of Dresden, it's the Russians. Further, in his article, the opinion of the historian Ivans is given: “The bombing of Dresden played a much greater role for the war than the defeat of the Nazis at Stalingrad.” (but this is already a question of human decency or to psychiatry, and first of all to you Zementbomber)
        1. Zementbomber 8 May 2020 08: 16 New
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          Yes, I am aware that if "Writer from Canada James Buck" stated "(to the heap with Jarserge (Serge)) - that "this Miracle is recorded in the Quran and He needs to Believe." wassat As my Acting Wife said (earlier) in such cases: "Well - let's go with the Safe Method!" (pipes after all - she bandaged the truth bully ) But there is a problem: all this has already been recorded for a long time. And the sources are "a little" more impressive than aif.ru, rg.ru, etc.
          1. Jarserge 8 May 2020 08: 32 New
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            Which should have been proved. There are two opinions of yours and "wrong."
            1. Zementbomber 10 May 2020 21: 33 New
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              Exactly declassified and published exact figures from official documents exist.
              The total mortality rate (including executed) of the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS personnel held captive by the Western Allies by December 31.12.48, 31909 amounted to a total of 1943 people. True, this number does not include those who died in Tunisia after the surrender of GA "Africa" ​​in May 110 before they were registered as prisoners of war. But there were no more than ~ XNUMX thousand people. (including also Italians, Libyans, other Arab volunteers and legionnaires of the French Foreign Legion, who joined the Wehrmacht). All the rest is the pornographic fantasies of the marginalized from History, which Russian propaganda unsuccessfully tries to replicate. Point.
          2. Jarserge 8 May 2020 09: 12 New
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            You know me sorry. You have messed up life guides. Remember the classic "... you messed up the reflection in a pond with a starry sky ....". Now you can’t prove anything, it’s useless. You will reach by yourself. The main thing would be to be ashamed later
            1. Zementbomber 10 May 2020 21: 38 New
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              Я not I need a draw "pity." And from among the Russians - the opinion of my "life guidelines" and other "heavens in the pond" - I am only interested in two people: my Elder Son and my Acting Wife. But they are not the only values ​​of "RusAgA Mir" not they share, but also, to the extent of their modest powers, they stubbornly and skillfully oppose him. hi
              1. Growlers 11 May 2020 08: 31 New
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                No country, no honor, only money .... You sold your country and sold everything you reach .... It’s your sorrow and your family’s mankurts .....
                1. Zementbomber 11 May 2020 09: 29 New
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                  I understand - "everyone judges by himself." It is no secret that this is the main reason for the conviction of the majority of Russians in the "depravity" and other alleged "shortcomings" of other peoples of the world. Try to think - why do you put above all Chinese and Koreans - i.e. biomass peoples ...
                  1. Growlers 14 May 2020 12: 44 New
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                    The people you serve serve as a country comparable in economics with Germany and France, turned into an "African banana" republic. You started a civil war. One half of the population hates the other, and everyone hates the Westerners. And people like you are especially hated .. If the Banderaites served Hitler directly, then you are serving for money nobodies such as Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko and other Akhmetovs with Kolomoisky, who serve second-level American officials. Not even the US state. For the "lace panties" you abandoned the markets and as a consequence of the industry. European if not world cesspool. Eggs poisoned by chemicals, fish and potatoes that Europe refused to dumped into Ukraine .. In all the world brothels are some of the cheapest prostitutes in Ukraine ... After that, you blather about the "Russian world" that you yourself thought up ... You know why oligarchs invented nationalism? Nobody will go to fight for Poroshenko, but for invented Ukraine ... And then the people are smart. ATO from all over the country gathered drunks and lumpen proletariat and moral freaks ready to kill their fellow citizens for money ... you scum on the wave in the toilet .. Will this country fall apart or will healthy people come to replace you, you will be washed into the sewers ... You are nothing spiteful hirelings waste ...
  • Cypa 7 May 2020 08: 40 New
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    reprint bullshit Nazi senility?