In connection with the possible start of lifting restrictive measures, questions arise

In connection with the possible start of lifting restrictive measures, questions arise

There was information in the press that on May 6, the Russian president had scheduled a meeting on a possible phased exit from the regime of previously imposed restrictions. Recall that until May 12, the so-called non-working day regime operates. However, today not everyone can afford to be on vacation, including both employees and employers - primarily those who are engaged in private entrepreneurship.


Earlier, Vladimir Putin has already stated that preparations for the phased lifting of restrictive measures must begin now.

On the one hand, these statements cause an optimistic mood, but on the other hand, citizens have questions.

One of them:

If since May 12, self-isolation measures and those that accompany it (closed companies, enterprises, educational institutions, valid passes, QR codes, etc.) are really going to be canceled, then how does this fit in with the daily published statistics on coronavirus?

Indeed, the statistics (if you trust her) is such that every new day breaks records in the number of detected cases of COVID-19. Today, this number in Moscow alone is almost 5,8 thousand with 35 deaths. On the whole, in Russia about 10,5 thousand detected infected per day.

If restrictions are going to be removed in the coming days, does this mean that there is confidence that the situation with the incidence of coronavirus is under complete control and the country has already reached the same plateau that has been talked about so much?

But even if, purely mathematically (again, following the published statistics), the situation is not very similar to the plateau: if only a few days ago the increase was about 6 thousand infected, then now, as already mentioned, more than 10 thousand. With 100 cases a day, measures were introduced; with more than 10 thousand can be canceled.

It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed both at protecting the health and life of ordinary Russians and at preventing a decrease in the standard of living in the country.
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  1. shadow 4 May 2020 19: 04 New
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    And where did you get the idea that they would be removed? I think it will be extended until June.
    1. Lexus 4 May 2020 19: 15 New
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      In the Tula and Ryazan region just passes began to be introduced. With 30 people infected per day, they "self-insulated" and with more than 10 thousand per day they will "give a laxative"? It looks like throwing a schizophrenic in the acute stage. Very soon an abscess with the manipulation of "official" data will open, and for many, their eyes will not only open, but they will climb out of their orbits. Especially among those who have lost loved ones due to the criminal "self-removal" of the "galley rowers".
      1. Non liberoid Russian 4 May 2020 19: 21 New
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        and where is it written that they will be removed? or is it you who suffer from schizophrenia and are trying to pass off your mania for reality? if there is a discussion on the 6th to remove restrictions, this does not mean that they will be removed immediately, maybe just the conditions of the stages will outline
        1. 210ox 4 May 2020 19: 27 New
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          No, why. If you really get it right, then the statistics will be corrected. There is an experience ..
          1. Lexus 4 May 2020 19: 32 New
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            statistics corrected. experience is ..

            No longer experience ... already a habit.
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              1. bk316 5 May 2020 01: 36 New
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                the husband is an infectious disease specialist in the hospital, for the second week he works in quarantine mode and sleeps there.

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                Liberals continue to convulse: violation of rights and freedoms.

                -14

                Uh ... there is no dissonance?
                Is the epidemic understated or an exaggeration?

                Okay, this is a rhetorical question.

                For those to whom it does not reach due to lack of education or obstinacy.
                Distortions of statistics in one direction or another are easily caught by mathematical methods.
                So far in the Russian Federation regarding coronavirus this is not fixed.

                Regarding what and how it is developing, I wrote a big comment a few days ago, for those who are not hopeless you can read.
                Regarding the differences from world statistics, I can write if you ask .... hi
                1. aleksejkabanets 5 May 2020 02: 38 New
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                  Quote: bk316
                  Distortions of statistics in one direction or another are easily caught by mathematical methods.

                  Catch, and we will evaluate your method.
                  1. bk316 5 May 2020 03: 06 New
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                    We will appreciate your method.

                    Not mine. You flatter me. Read tutorials laughing
                    Do you know how a real mathematician, for example, differs from me? I can prove the theorems and he invent them ... laughing Well, that's the way for those who understand.

                    And so be sure to catch and inform. Well, if you don’t get banned, as you know, I’m not talking about VO admins.
                  2. mikh-korsakov 5 May 2020 05: 41 New
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                    Alexei. You wrote "Catch, and we will evaluate your method." I did not understand your logic and irony. Think of Newton’s bin. First of all, I categorically disagree with the opinion of some stubborn liberals that the government itself initiated a story with the virus, so that they, the liberals, and those who sympathize mentally with draconian methods. Power is not afraid of liberals. but with the people, he thinks that he will agree, although, perhaps, he is mistaken. Power no matter how you twist the whole story - a knife in the back. When there was zeroing in your pocket, the anniversary was approaching - and then everything broke off. But let's get down to business. When it became clear that the trouble was coming from Europe, they began to search for infected people at airports and on the roads. But it’s sure that it will flow through any barrier - how much will flow - but who can predict the extent of the leak, so we tried to reduce the PROBABILITY to the maximum. Then what has grown has grown. After a month and a half, the course of the epidemic allowed specialists to calculate the forecast based on the facts of infection. The results, by the way, were published. See Aghasi Tavadyan. . I saw them. In principle, as expected, nothing unusual. Gaussian curve for growth and decline. The total number of infected by the forecast for the end of summer is 350000-450000 people. Different regions reach the plateau in different ways - from the beginning of May to the end of June. And here even though you crack fundamentally nothing can be changed, although, of course, I want to. so that there are fewer infected people. But ruining the economy is bad. Therefore, there will be where you can and as much as you can let go. Why is it strange, unless of course you fall into the usual tantrum.
                    1. aleksejkabanets 5 May 2020 17: 11 New
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                      Quote: mikh-korsakov
                      I did not understand your logic and irony. Think of Newton’s bin.

                      Not everything is so simple. If you build on official statistics, then calculating is probably not very difficult. But there is a number of "buts." A lot of people suffer from bilateral pneumonia, and the tests for coronovirus are negative, for example: Maxim Shevchenko had been ill with her (a deputy of the West Central Committee of the Vladimir Region from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, he talks about it well on his YouTube channel), in a nearby village the farmer died of bilateral pneumonia, he’s a garden to me harrowed, a couple of years ago, a radiologist, died of bilateral pneumonia in our city, because they are not included in the statistics. I am 50 years old, in all my life, of my acquaintances from pneumonia, no one has died before. Conflicting statements by Sobyanin and officials from Rospotrebnadzor about the percentage of cases. It would be possible to talk about some kind of statistics, if the tests showed a fairly accurate (at least 90%) result, and everyone who contacted the clinic would have these tests done, but this is not the case. Therefore, in my opinion, the statistics do not correspond to reality, and what is really happening there can only be guessed at.
                      Quote: mikh-korsakov
                      First of all, I categorically disagree with the opinion of some stubborn liberals that the government itself initiated a story with the virus, so that they, the liberals, and those who sympathize mentally with draconian methods.

                      The virus and the danger that it carries cannot be taken seriously. However, I believe that the “optimization of medicine” is the reason for the introduction of such strict quarantine measures. And the fact that, under the pretext of combating the coronovirus, laws are introduced that, to put it mildly, do not contribute to the reduction of social tension, this is the direct fault of the authorities. In addition, I believe that writing down anyone who doubts the correctness of the actions of the authorities as liberals is not only wrong, but stupid and dangerous for the country.
                      1. 2 Level Advisor 6 May 2020 10: 04 New
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                        My mother works in the hospital, every year several people died from complications of influenza (pneumonia) .. So if you didn’t know before that there are always those who died from pneumonia, this does not mean that they were not ..
                      2. aleksejkabanets 6 May 2020 17: 51 New
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                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        So if you did not know before that there are always those who died from pneumonia, this does not mean that they were not ..

                        The only question is quantity.
                      3. 2 Level Advisor 6 May 2020 18: 05 New
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                        I agree. In the same hospital, there are 2 dead from pulmonary diseases. Not one from the crown.
                  3. Serg89 6 May 2020 11: 43 New
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                    Tin, man, you live there in heavenly conditions ... 50 years old pink glasses and a liberal exhaust at the end.

                    Here you have the real statistics:

                    I’m 31 years old, I live in Moscow, served in the army 2007-2009 (last 1,5 years), training 37115, zor 62162 Kyakhta (before joining the brigade), during the service I fell ill with pneumonia twice in 18-19 years, suffered a simple cold , all Rodney said - they would return the invalid, and I drove by the temple (youth, everything was crisp).

                    01.09.2016/25/35 - the death of a mother with diabetes, after a tragic ulcer, the leg was amputated, after which there was an intoxication of the body, the heart worked for 100% (after drugs such as xarelt or something like that) earned XNUMX%, the toxicity was sown and then Hope (after doctor’s prediction of XNUMX% death), the person has recovered.

                    Summary:

                    Mom was detained in a ward for two for 1600 rubles per day (leaving, state hospital), the second was a woman in Godkov’s dementia, who was 80, who, when “meeting” her family, was naughty that there was no air - they opened the window for 2-3 hours

                    The bottom line for my mom: death from pneumonia.
                  4. aleksejkabanets 6 May 2020 17: 49 New
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                    Quote: Serg89
                    Tin, man, you live there in heavenly conditions ... 50 years old pink glasses and a liberal exhaust at the end.

                    Respected. I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft. How do you know about my conditions? What idiocy is any doubt about the genius of the "nullified" and the correctness of the line of his party, interpreted as liberalism? Maybe you forgot that Putin spoke about himself more than once as a liberal?
                    Quote: Serg89
                    Bottom line for my mom: death from pneumonia

                    Of course, I regret the death of your mother, but judging by your age, she was no longer a young man and with complications from diabetes. I’m talking about people quite young and without any complications that are not included in any risk groups. For such people, the risk of dying from pneumonia used to be extremely small.
              2. bk316 5 May 2020 17: 15 New
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                The results, by the way, were published. See Aghasi Tavadyan. .

                Well, yes, I also read. The models for everyone are about the same ..... The difference in the timing of the plateau and the total number of people infected is somewhere around 40%.
          2. Sling cutter 5 May 2020 09: 32 New
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            Quote: bk316
            Uh ... there is no dissonance?
            Is the epidemic understated or an exaggeration?

            Did you contact me?
            If it’s for me, then I don’t give a damn about viruses, I’m a busoter from the 125th motorcade, I don’t wear masks, I don’t wash my hands.
            I have a completely different question, why this government, knowing about the impending epidemic at the end of last year, was preparing for a vote for the elder, and not to repel the threat of freedom ?!
            1. bk316 5 May 2020 17: 19 New
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              Knowing the impending epidemic at the end of last year, was preparing for a vote for the elder, and not to repel the threat of a lie ?!

              What did you decide? To whom it was supposed to be prepared. A vector, for example, is straight from the first day.
              Rosrezerv was preparing. And by the way business whose head is fine too.


              They didn’t report to you in the mailbox, but you shouted that it was a fake, and now there are such .... am
        2. SSR
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          Quote: Stroporez
          So-so electorate, well, they don’t count a couple-three of hundreds of thousands of bonds

          Comrades, you are all right and wrong. The virus has come and for a long time. Europe America and we could not follow the path of Koreans. How many screamers do we have that self-isolation is evil, the virus is fiction, and there are as many alarmists.
          In Russia, the percentage with a fatal outcome is one of the lowest in the world, this is already +.
          Imha. The authorities paused to withstand the first wave of infected people, to do preparatory work for the construction of insulators and equipping mechanical ventilation.
          Power under the existing model cannot please everyone. People are some young people, including how they were handled so and how they are spreading infection.
          Doctors and authorities assessed the risks and silently act.
          Last week, the test showed the presence of the virus in my sister, the doctor is 30 years old, there is still a family of doctors in the next room, so they did not even take the test. These are doctors who are self-isolated from family and friends.
          The little sister has a left lung of 25% and a right lung of 50 in the "frosted glass" and so far no one knows if it’s a dead baby or for life with shortness of breath. Our enterprise, all this worked in vain, officially, but the State will not really help other enterprises and people who are falling into poverty except by removing restrictive measures requiring the presence of sanitizers, maintaining a distance, wearing masks and daily temperature measurement.
          That's about something like comrades.
          1. Sling cutter 5 May 2020 10: 45 New
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            Quote: SSR
            That's about something like comrades.

            Greetings, Kamrad! hi
            First of all, I wish your sister recovery!
            Your comment is very realistic, but my indignation is directed to the authorities, who ruined the medicine, and now the doctors close their troubled affairs with their own enthusiasm and their own health.
            And now regarding statistics. So answer, who in our country has reason to believe official statistics?
            1. SSR
              SSR 5 May 2020 10: 57 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              but my indignation is directed to the authorities, who ruined medicine, and now the doctors are closing their murky business with their own enthusiasm and their own health.

              + an ambulance came to the sister of an ambassador so the Kyrgyz assistant, the Kyrgyz driver, only the local orderly.
              Here below the comrade wonders at the expense of doctors who refuse to work, and then the question also arises - do you need such doctors?
              If so, then maybe they dispersed them correctly?
              I have a colleague at work and her daughter graduated from a medical college and other doctors in kinship, so they were dismissed so that they would not work with the infected! But what about the Hippocratic oath?
              I just mean that the virus showed the real state of affairs in the country and in medicine, like the 2008 war situation in the army.
              1. Sling cutter 5 May 2020 11: 09 New
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                Quote: SSR
                But what about the Hippocratic oath?

                One citizen also swore on the Constitution, so what?
                The interjection "as it were" was not in vain rooted in our language, in the "as if" the country everything is "as if", that is, not quite real ..
              2. bk316 5 May 2020 17: 37 New
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                I just mean that the virus showed the real state of affairs in the country and in medicine, like the 2008 war situation in the army.

                Ha and then it was not visible the situation in medicine and without the virus ....
                Felsher is a Kyrgyz, here doctors at polyclinics do not speak Russian well IN MOSCOW.
                Well, they’ve corrected the army and we’ll fix medicine.
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          2. bk316 5 May 2020 17: 26 New
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            Doctors and authorities assessed the risks and silently act.

            Well, you see those who understand slowly more and more.
            Silently that you are not quite right, go to the site of Sobyanin (with all my dislike for him) there everything that the population needs to know is written.
            There is nothing to please about "frosted glass", this is pneumofibrosis and no one knows the long-term consequences. Usually shortness of breath passes, compensation occurs, but of course you can’t run the marathon.
            1. SSR
              SSR 5 May 2020 19: 20 New
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              Quote: bk316
              Well, you see those who understand slowly more and more.
              Silently that you are not quite right, go to the site of Sobyanin (with all my dislike for him) there everything that the population needs to know is written.

              I put it a little incorrectly. It’s just that I don’t have to go to the Sobyanin’s site, I'm afraid to even imagine what’s going on there, it’s enough for me that I see in our town. People like a brain taken out.
    2. YOUR 5 May 2020 03: 44 New
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      It is already being fixed.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv830ZFZF-s
      They have already explained why he did it. Note that they did not refute that he was lying, but explained that he was concerned about the receipt of money.
      Here you have the positive dynamics.
    3. nycsson 5 May 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: 210ox
      No, why. If you really get it right, then the statistics will be corrected. There is an experience ..

      That's for sure! I have a sn 100000 re, and you have 20000 re. And according to statistics, we have 60000 re! laughing
    4. Dreamboat 5 May 2020 14: 00 New
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      Well, the horse race began with the pan on the head
      schizophrenic delirium
      ....
      Restrictive measures were introduced when the hospital fund was not ready, disinfectants and masks were sorely lacking, treatment methods were not tested, and did not believe that the virus is real!
      Now it is possible to plan, by industry and type of activity, to begin to lift restrictions where it does not cause a massive surge in the disease. Naturally, it’s too early to let everyone out right away.
      1. Alex Justice 5 May 2020 18: 16 New
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        In Sweden, quarantine is not so bad.
        https://parsonstwins.000webhostapp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0RKyuV3UHi-eyDrkSYIzUdAqc8mDwgPzFdn5V9ZLTT82qyc0jx4y96JTw
        1. eskulap 6 May 2020 03: 22 New
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          I think I understood why they didn’t introduce quarantine in Sweden - half a day and a half. half chipped
  2. Mavrikiy 4 May 2020 19: 31 New
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    It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed at protecting health
    Liberals continue to convulse: violation of rights and freedoms.
    Ah well, Removing restrictive measures must begin now. then: A guarantee of life and health! fool Well, what to take from them, they are children. fool
    1. Range 4 May 2020 21: 35 New
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      In restrictive measures, there is one big minus, which crosses out all the advantages, reduces not only the incidence, but also everything else that is useful. There is a solution: declare a mandatory and ubiquitous mask regime. Although not 100%, but the reduction in infection is guaranteed and even more than with self-isolation. And a complete ban on mass events.
    2. Evil543 4 May 2020 22: 36 New
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      Something like isolation does not seem to be full of people on the streets, they walk with might and main with the children. In Moscow, and then they say why so many are identified. Migrants in general, the law is not written, are grouped on benches.
      1. Kleber 4 May 2020 23: 24 New
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        Exactly in Moscow? And then I do not observe this in Moscow. People, of course, go, but most of all for work. Of course there are individuals who are going to drink beer in the yards, but it ends quickly and sadly for them.
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          Yeseninsky Boulevard from Kuzminki Park
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  • Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 19: 57 New
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    Quote: lexus
    In the Tula and Ryazan region just passes began to be introduced. With 30 people infected per day, they "self-insulated" and with more than 10 thousand per day they will "give a laxative"?

    And why is a pass - a "laxative"? On the contrary, it’s just fixing ... in my town without a pass on a minibus, of course, you can ride ... but dumb - I already know the "hit" adventurers. I have many friends, different ... there are some among them.

    Quote: lexus
    Very soon, an abscess with the manipulation of "official" data will open, and for many, their eyes will not only open, but they will climb out

    What makes you think that the data is rigged? Well, honestly, besides your internal inclinations, are there any more significant considerations?

    Quote: lexus
    Especially among those who have lost loved ones due to the criminal "self-elimination" of "galley rowers"

    What is self-esteem? What I see: "Ambulance" - works, hospitals - work, people, so as not to cross pollination, pah ... infection - they drove home, how many months ago there was a cry that "private traders would spit on everything and shops - fitness centers and stuff" would not close - everything except food stores and pharmacies was closed, wipers (we have, at least) elevators, etc. with disinfectant - they process it, I even saw that people go with a spray - benches, playgrounds are sprayed ... did it happen by itself, in your opinion?

    Quote: lexus
    It looks like throwing a schizophrenic in the acute stage

    Yes. Seem to be. You really, very likely get it yes
    1. Deniska999 4 May 2020 20: 10 New
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      Self-sufficiency lies in the fact that until recently dragged with restrictive measures. And for sure the main reason is the vote on amendments. Which, however, still dissolved in the future.
      1. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 20: 22 New
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        Quote: Deniska999
        Self-sufficiency lies in the fact that until recently dragged with restrictive measures

        Can you be more specific? For example, “self-isolation” in Moscow was introduced on March 30:


        The number of cases at that time (in the Russian Federation, not in Moscow) is shown on the graph (1836). As soon as there was a hint of an increase in the rate of spread of the infection - and introduced. Where is "to the last"? I do not see point blank request
        1. Svarog 4 May 2020 20: 47 New
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          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Just a hint appeared

          A hint appeared in China in January ... in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries. And then, we have military virologists who should have assessed the degree of danger and based on their findings, timely steps had to be taken, namely:
          -Closing borders, where all arrivals are identified in a strict sump for 14 days. And those who leaked track contacts on the seventh knee .. all these methods are not new and they were used in the Union and they have proved to be effective. But this did not happen .. more precisely, it happened, but with a delay of two to three weeks ..
          -If you still couldn’t prevent the epidemic, then you had to declare quarantine, with all that it implies .. that is, the state should take responsibility for the country's population, including the material. But as we can see, nothing of the kind happened, everything was essentially left to chance and left to the discretion of citizens, the state eliminated itself, simultaneously warning that the virus was dangerous and little studied.
          1. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 20: 51 New
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            Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules. In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially. Good luck hi
            1. Svarog 4 May 2020 20: 53 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules.

              Expected ... Expected laughing
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially.

              This is not about hindsight, but again about responsibility. You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed people. We will see the number of them later.
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                Quote: Svarog
                You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed ..

                Wait and see. The problem is worldwide, not only in the Russian Federation. And you, the campaign, doesn’t care if only to throw the Russian substance into the state once again.

                Shame on you, Svarog negative
                1. Svarog 4 May 2020 21: 07 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Wait and see. Worldwide problem,

                  Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..
                  if only once again to throw the Russian substance into the state.

                  Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved .. organizational conclusions are not made at all, but you encourage it, and therefore indirectly take part in concealing problems .. thereby becoming an accomplice ..
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                    Quote: Svarog
                    Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved ..

                    Throwing substance after the fact - not to "indicate", my friend.

                    Quote: Svarog
                    organizational conclusions are not made at all

                    Quote: Proverb
                    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched

                    There will be more "organizational conclusions," yes

                    Quote: Svarog
                    but you encourage it

                    In which place? I just really look at things - everything is impossible to predict ... against the background of the same Italy, Spain and the other USA, we look pretty well.

                    Quote: Svarog
                    which means you indirectly take part in hiding problems ..

                    Ohh ... are you alright? I'm starting to worry about you wink

                    Quote: Svarog
                    thereby become an accomplice

                    Essss !!! good laughing good to tears crying

                    Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... troll - and then really do not know how. Although your experience is more than solid request
                2. edasko 5 May 2020 12: 07 New
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                  Golovan, frankly, you got with your "Russian state." Here is what the Russian state is in your presentation, huh? Something powerful, strong, which is always right and will always come to us small, weak to help? Or a bunch of guys connected by mutual responsibility, led by the "fairy"? Now people like you have been given the nickname-characteristic - guards. In my opinion, the definition is too soft. And I also want to throw such a famous substance into your “state”. For what they did to my land. And on the issues related to this notorious virus, you correctly said - wait and see. I think we will learn a lot of interesting things soon. This audience cannot but lie - it is contrary to its nature.
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      2. antivirus 4 May 2020 22: 20 New
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        no unemployment problem.
        if they said about the LIBr generation - “shell-shocked on June 22nd” then about this generation we can say- “shell-shocked with a positive balance”. only the main international
        and "who does not make money with us, those are outside the protection of the authorities," a natural household throughout the world is excluded from social obligations.
        only submission to power.
      3. Revival 4 May 2020 22: 45 New
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        Merged as usual ...
    2. Poor 5 May 2020 08: 23 New
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      I don’t know who the “back is from the word ass”, but when the first infected in mask appeared in March, I jokingly offered to put a thorn and drop food from a helicopter, while my idea of ​​quarantine measures and isolation measures is primitive. What if bacteriological warfare? will we chew snot? contact by box and promise to save a salary negative look at China - that’s who can withstand threats, and we have only one word, from here and paranoia that someone decided to settle accounts with their own people. I don’t want to believe in it, I am convinced that the government (individual citizens) think only about their own tuches, therefore I wish them poets in tuches.
  • bk316 5 May 2020 01: 25 New
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    in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries.


    As always, you're lying.

    Countries "closed borders" in your definition when you received a surge of infections from abroad. For example, Austria being close to Italy in the beginning of March. We are a few days late.
    In the real sense, when it is impossible to travel from country to country, the borders of the European Union are closed after U.S. That’s how we got hit like you weren’t ordered by the authorities and left Italy for Austria, then either immediately by plane to the Russian Federation, or through dates or Benelux. I’m wondering if you’re lying on purpose or you don’t know a damn thing,
  • carstorm 11 5 May 2020 03: 27 New
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    in general, we closed the border with China in January.
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      That's bad luck, but the planes flew ..
  • CSKA 5 May 2020 14: 42 New
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    in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries.

    Do not carry nonsense. In mid-March, they began to close the borders because the situation was already much more complicated then than we have now.
    Quote: Svarog
    and in the Union they were used and they proved to be effective.

    Give an example?
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    If, nevertheless, the epidemic could not be prevented, then it was necessary to declare quarantine, with all that it implies .. that is, the state should take responsibility for the country's population, including material.

    It was announced if you are from another planet and do not tell in which country you took financial responsibility for the population and in what form?
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    But as we can see, nothing of the kind happened, everything was essentially left to chance and left to the discretion of citizens, the state eliminated itself, simultaneously warning that the virus was dangerous and little studied.

    You write one nonsense in each comment and do not get tired. A lot of the Communist Party or bulk you pay for it? What kind of self-elimination can we talk about when meetings and decisions are made every day and on various issues. When the police were taken to the streets and some cities were closed.
    Even simply include your head and compare, because of which we have a completely different situation in both the USA and Italy.
    1. edasko 5 May 2020 16: 46 New
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      It was announced

      This is where we announced quarantine, huh? With us, citizen "self-isolation", you know. This means that you yourself want to isolate yourself, but you want not.
      which country took the responsibility for the population and in what form?

      And here where - https://onff.ru/skolko-deneg-razdayut-naseleniyu-raznye-strany-iz-za-epidemii-koronavirusa/
      From tsiferok not stunned? There is nothing to write nonsense!
  • halpat 4 May 2020 21: 29 New
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    I am surprised at the different approach to statistics. According to the news, the growth is not so big. They say somehow dimly and the impression that they measure day by day, today they compare with yesterday and no more.
    But on the Russian site, stopcoronavirus has WHO statistics for Europe, and there they measure over the past 7 days, the past 7 days in relation to the previous period. And there Russia is in first place in honor and in terms of quantity and% growth.
    If you look at the graphs on the same website, then something similar to a plateau is observed in many European countries (in the majority), in Russia there is no plateau and it’s not close, the graph is rushing and going up.
    So it is unlikely that they will cancel restrictive measures.
    I think that it will be extended until the end of May. With salary :)) as usual.
    1. CSKA 5 May 2020 15: 22 New
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      Quote: Halpat
      If you look at the graphs on the same website, then something similar to a plateau is observed in many European countries (in the majority), in Russia there is no plateau and it’s not close, the graph is rushing and going up.

      In the Russian Federation, the situation began to deteriorate later than in Europe.
      Quote: Halpat
      But on the Russian site, stopcoronavirus has WHO statistics for Europe, and there they measure over the past 7 days, the past 7 days in relation to the previous period. And there Russia is in first place in honor and in terms of quantity and% growth.

      You can still watch for hours.)))) The fact remains that the number of sick and dead in relation to the population in our country and in other countries is very significant. Our situation is much better.
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 20: 26 New
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    Yes, here their whole team pulled itself up)))
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      the whole team pulled up

      From the "brigade" so far only a couple of people are watching. It is not enough yes
  • Piramidon 4 May 2020 20: 31 New
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    all closed

    Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store. They launch one at a time, the people inside are not crowding. My son bought printer paper. I went in, two meters from the entrance a partition made of tape. He asked for paper, he was taken out and showed samples. He chose and bought. Merchants get out as they can. You need to live.
    1. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 20: 36 New
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      Closing fake

      Where is it? Russia is big ... if somewhere "fake" - then far from everywhere. Here, for example, store employees (there are more than 30 of them, stores, in the sense, in the Russian Federation and around) honestly stay at home, for 2/3 of their salary ...
    2. Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 20: 54 New
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      Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store.

      Um ... And if I need to buy a hundred rubles, they will let me go?
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        Um ... And if I need to buy a hundred rubles, they will let me go?

        Well, as usual in the store. They don’t ask what you are going to buy. Come in, look, choose, try on. You can buy nothing and leave at all. And what can you buy there with this money? Yes, for 100 rubles now you can’t even buy cowards.
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          Yes, for 100 rubles now you can’t even buy cowards.

          Why do I need cowards? I need cold welding, it is fifty dollars per sausage.
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            Why do I need cowards? I need cold welding, it is fifty dollars per sausage.

            Well, this I have not seen in a clothing store. I wrote that I bought a windbreaker (such a jacket). but they let everyone in without checking how much money you have in your pocket. And if they had goods even for 10 rubles, no one would forbid to buy. And in general, what does the price have to do with it?hi
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              And in general, what does the price have to do with it?

              It’s one thing when you buy a toilet for 10 thousand, and another thing when garbage for fifty dollars.
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                It’s one thing when you buy a toilet for 10 thousand, and another thing when garbage for fifty dollars.

                For the "garbage" in your shops are not allowed, or what? You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or shoe laces for 70, no one will interfere.
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                  You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or shoe laces for 70, no one will interfere.

                  Something I did not see that someone would stand near the cafe and call with a request to buy a pie. recourse
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                  Quote: Piramidon
                  You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or shoe laces for 70, no one will interfere.

                  Something I did not see that someone would stand near the cafe and call with a request to buy a pie. recourse

                  How stubborn you are. I’m saying that no one asks why you came. The bell just to open the door to the store. If you are asked, you can say that you came for the toilet, and buy a gasket for the tap. After all, they will not shoot. Make a problem from scratch. And I buy pies in the "Cooking". Free admission.
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                  The bell is just to open the door.

                  I didn’t see the names. Either I’m not lucky, or I don’t have them ...
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  The bell is just to open the door.

                  I didn’t see the names. Either I’m not lucky, or I don’t have them ...

                  If you have not seen, then this does not mean that there is no such thing anywhere. So you just live in the wrong place.
  • Ramzaj99 4 May 2020 22: 32 New
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    in my town without a pass on a minibus, a bus ride, of course, you can ... but dumb - I already know the "hit" adventurers.

    that "private owners spit on everything and shops - fitness centers and stuff" will not be closed - everything is closed, except for groceries and drugstores, wipers (we have at least) elevators and other disinfectant - they process, I even saw that there are benches with sprayers - benches , playgrounds are being sprayed ... did it happen by itself, in your opinion?

    I do not want to say that you are wrong, the country is big and the measures apparently depend on the region.
    Here in our city in the suburbs, self-isolation is only in the minds of officials. Not grocery stores all work (No, they are closed, but each one has a phone number, you call say what you need and they start you up.)
    The enterprises, in whole or in part, operate. (They only sat at home for a week).
    Car services work, hairdressers on call, catering all work take-away,
    Yes, in fact, everywhere and everything works except for schools and kindergartens.
    We didn’t have any cases until the “wise” authorities, did not fight with our own vehicles.
    They brought cameras to the city (because they found the money)) and began to fine 5tr all motorists. The people got scared and naturally everyone rushed into buses and taxis (you have to go to work, but SMS registration of passes did not work then), after a few days more than 30 people were identified with the virus. The second outbreak went from the hospital, where half the doctors turned out to be sick and still work, not from altruism, but didn’t want to lose money, it ended when one lost consciousness right at the workplace, everyone who visited the doctors and whom the doctors visited was now in strict quarantine , and this is to hell to the people.
    So I think, if it were not for the stupidity of the authorities and the incompetence of doctors ...... in general I will not continue .......
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      In the Moscow Region, I note the stupidity of two-legged rams that stagger through forests, near rivers, in parks with barbecue facilities and bottles and littered with garbage everything that is possible.
  • aleksejkabanets 5 May 2020 02: 40 New
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    And why is a pass - a "laxative"? On the contrary, it’s just fixing ... in my town without a pass on a minibus, of course, you can ride ... but dumb - I already know the "hit" adventurers. I have many friends, different ... there are some among them.

    Does this make you happy?
  • SSR
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    What makes you think that the data is rigged? Well, honestly

    90% support your comment, except for this part. We have a family with a virus in the town, only the head of the family got into the statistics because he is heavy and was hospitalized, another family member worsened, but as I understand it they were not hospitalized, they were not included in the statistics, they were put under control. And yes, officially in the city there are 10 identified cases, and only the head of the family got into these 10, the remaining 6 were not credited.
    Imha. This virus, like a Spaniard, has not gone anywhere yet, that is, for at least six months.
  • Well done 4 May 2020 20: 49 New
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    In Tula, the plants are buzzing. The defense industry is working. But what if the controller at the checkpoint is sick with a coid? Khan. Thousands of infected. I know what I'm talking about, I myself work at the TPZ (cartridge). What about the statistics? So what? Let them underestimate. So calm. There are a lot of alarmists, it would be necessary to plant violators like in China, and the “mask” regime has long been necessary. I specifically calculated at Magnet - only 30% of Tula go to honey. masked. Self-isolation on weekdays = 2.2 - 2.5. Such is the Armory Capital, the cove is rampant, and the defense is required to work.
    1. Well done 4 May 2020 23: 45 New
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      I read on RT "In the Kaliningrad region, about 350 doctors refused to work." Here, colleagues, what really scares. You can understand them. But there are too many buts left. (Hippocrates resting? And so on and so on.)
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      Quote: Welldone
      what if the controller at the checkpoint is sick with a coid?

      and the controller without a mask?
      1. Well done 5 May 2020 09: 39 New
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        In a mask, but their masks are dirty, worn out. But there are no gloves. When a person comes to work, he passes a pass, when he leaves, they return him. Imagine how much infection can be on these passes!
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  • Sergey79 6 May 2020 08: 23 New
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    From nothing to do, he took official data on approximately equal population cities (millionaires), Moscow and St. Petersburg did not take into account. Counted up. I got that with a probability of 17% it can be argued that the statistics on cities is mistaken by no more than 200 people. And when you ask the probability of confidence of 90%, then in general complete nonsense. Therefore, statistics are compiled on the basis of gender - finger - ceiling.
  • Svarog 4 May 2020 19: 29 New
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    They will definitely prolong, as doctors say, we didn’t even reach the plateau and are still ahead. More and more I become a supporter of conspiracy theology. Gates and the team really want to leave 1 billion on the ground .. soon everyone will be forced to get vaccinated, and then the vaccinated will begin to die from another incomprehensible virus. Those who remain will introduce chips and make them work for cryptocurrency.
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  • Deniska999 4 May 2020 19: 49 New
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    Restrictive measures should vary by region. Where there are a lot of cases and high growth rates (hi, Moscow), do not weaken much. But where everything is stable, then you can gradually cancel them. But IMHO all restaurants, movie theaters keep closed, as well as allow all sorts of events.
  • Gardamir 4 May 2020 20: 09 New
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    Infa about this. With 4 open parks, with 12 separate shops and hairdressers, with 18 more relief. Information from April 28th.
    As for statistics, it applies only to those who know what mathematics is. Just add up all the sick, subtract the recovered and the dead. Really interesting?
    1. Svarog 4 May 2020 20: 19 New
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      As for statistics, it applies only to those who know what mathematics is. Just fold all sick

      I would also like to know how many of these patients .. 40% supposedly tolerate without symptoms .. tests either show or not show .., now you can understand exactly only by pneumonia, and this is an already neglected case .. and only those who are already in the hospital ..
      1. Gardamir 4 May 2020 20: 30 New
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        Still to know how many of these sick.
        Enough official statistics.
    2. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 20: 30 New
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      Just add up all the sick, subtract the recovered and the dead

      And what is wrong?


      125817 + 18095 + 1356 = 145268

      As if "everything hits" request
      1. Gardamir 4 May 2020 20: 43 New
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        As if "everything hits
        No, you don’t understand here, not in a day, but in all the time. Suppose the sick are growing, recovering with a delay, but also growing, approximately in parallel. Something like this.
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        2. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 20: 59 New
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          not in a day, but in all the time

          So?


          It seems, too, all the rules ... request
          1. Gardamir 4 May 2020 21: 49 New
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            It seems too
            Not really. This graph must be watched in development. The green line should eventually catch up with the orange, but this time is approximately two weeks. And on the chart for a month.
            1. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 21: 51 New
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              The green line should eventually catch up with the orange

              It will be closer to the end. Now, for a period of time, he gets more sick than he is recovering, and therefore does not catch up.
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                Now, for a period of time, he gets more sick than he is recovering, and therefore does not catch up.
                I agree. We will wait and draw conclusions with time.
                1. Paul K. 4 May 2020 22: 27 New
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                  This is a priori logarithmic scale. Take it in the line, not in the exponent and see a clear picture ... Somewhere I saw the chart - (IMHO) - the third wave did not end (I trade on the Elliott waves on the stock exchange for about ten years), we are waiting for a flat correction in the fourth (it seems to be called a "plateau" by our empty-headed superiors), momentum up and down ...
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              https://parsonstwins.000webhostapp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0RKyuV3UHi-eyDrkSYIzUdAqc8mDwgPzFdn5V9ZLTT82qyc0jx4y96JTw
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        By the way, everything works in Germany, only from this Monday they instructed the shops to wear masks.
  • Thrifty 4 May 2020 21: 03 New
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    Extend, it’s natural, there’s no point in shooting anything! Otherwise, we get an option worse than Italy at times!
  • Civil 4 May 2020 21: 14 New
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    The midst is ahead, it will be very very sad.
    1. SHURUM -BURUM 4 May 2020 21: 44 New
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      ... The midst is ahead, it will be very very sad ...
      Especially with such cute naive people in the government, or maybe on the contrary, naive people, is it mildly said?
      Coronavirus control fluid turned out to be fake (popular mechanics site)
      https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/news-564754-zhidkost-dlya-borby-s-koronavirusom-okazalas-feykom/
  • demo 4 May 2020 22: 07 New
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    Most likely you are mistaken.
    Today we had a conversation with a friend.
    He works in one very interesting office.
    So.
    All employees, except the operatives, have paid leave until September.
    Without options.

    Talking to the public is one thing.
    The main thing is not to pay money.
    But really is another.
    The main thing is that the security forces were rested and at a salary.
  • YOUR 5 May 2020 03: 40 New
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    The people began to forget about changes to the Constitution, about the main zeroing. They’ll remove, vote, and again, ah, you didn’t follow the recommendations, here’s the second wave.
  • nycsson 5 May 2020 09: 54 New
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    laughing wassat A bit of humor doesn’t hurt ...
  • Freemason Mason 4 May 2020 19: 13 New
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    There are two options. First, we started to defeat the epidemic. It disappears - more growth in infected per day is only in the USA. Secondly, those small, if not ridiculous, amounts of money that the president and the government allocated to support the business are over, and the new ones are in no hurry to allocate, so they are going to gradually lift the restrictions, otherwise, at such a rate, the population will soon have nothing to pay taxes. And if taxes cease to be received, then the president and those close to him will not be able to lead a beautiful life worthy of their “contribution” to the development of the country, and this certainly cannot be allowed.
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      First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

      The "Scar" apparently decided that it was time for the pandemics to "conquer."
      1. Freemason Mason 4 May 2020 19: 32 New
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        To the population - to isolate themselves. Epidemics - self-conquer. Problems - self-resolve. The standard of living is self-growth. From the knees - to rise. And so on on the list. Circus, and only. It’s only a pity that our effective clowns assigned the role of trained dogs to the population
      2. DEDPIHTO 4 May 2020 19: 51 New
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        Quote: lexus
        First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

        The "Scar" apparently decided that it was time for the pandemics to "conquer."

        Hello namesake. The people are already buzzing, they want to eat, ,, duke, ”to their treasury .. that is, to the state, they only take friends, it has become dangerous to drag out with self-isolation .. Yes, and he himself already can’t tolerate his amendments to the Talmud to legalize by means of“ voting ”, so wishes of the people and like match up.
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          And he himself could not tolerate legalizing his amendments to the Talmud through voting, so that the wishes of the people and the elder seemed to coincide.

          Alexey, hello! The basic desires, as it were, of all living beings are the same - to eat, sleep, "relieve" and "continue the race." Only now, "power" has long shown its attitude towards the people, it is no longer particularly troubled by "retouching" true plans and "imperceptibly" implements them with might and main. I find the only explanation for the "bleating" of those who like everything that happens to their liking.
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            I find the only explanation for the "bleating" of those who like everything that happens to their liking.

            They "agreed". laughing
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            The basic desires, as it were, of all living beings are the same - to eat, sleep, "relieve" and "continue the race."

            Small clarification. Our "liberal" public has a need to "relieve themselves" without fail in public. Darling, despite the few contingent, so-so)))
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              Our "liberal" public has a need to "relieve themselves" without fail in public.



              Darling, despite the small contingent, is so-so

              Naturally, your "large contingent", which tongue "power", knows a lot about "aromas and tastes." stop laughing
        2. Gardamir 4 May 2020 20: 23 New
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          The people are already buzzing, they want to eat, but, to their treasury .. that is, to the state, only takes friends, it became dangerous to drag out with self-isolation
          Something familiar
          The tops cannot control in the old way - the inability of the ruling class to maintain its dominance unchanged.
          The lower classes do not want to live in the old way - a sharp aggravation above the ordinary need and calamities of the oppressed classes and their desire to change their lives for the better.
          A significant increase in the activity of the masses, attracted, both by the whole situation of the crisis, and by the "tops" themselves, to an independent historical performance.
    2. alone 4 May 2020 19: 33 New
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      . First, we started to defeat the epidemic. It disappears - more growth in infected per day is only in the USA.

      rightly said .. It is unlikely that this infection will fall behind so quickly
      Quote: Freemason
      And they’re not in a hurry to allocate new ones,

      They don’t even think ... really few people saw this help
      Quote: Freemason
      the population will soon have nothing to pay taxes.

      If things go like this, people will have no money left for food, not like taxes
      Quote: Freemason
      worthy of their "contribution" to the development of the country, and this certainly cannot be allowed

      Well, it’s by itself ... wassat
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      In the Krasnodar Territory, tax collection in April decreased by 91%
    5. cradle 4 May 2020 22: 45 New
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      Well, it began: Sentry, the butterflies ended in the country ... but did not end last week, 5 lards were chopped.
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      There are two options

      we are not conquering the epidemic, if only because from April 15 restrictive measures, but the growth of disease is only growing
  • basmach 4 May 2020 19: 14 New
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    Well, there are options. The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.
    1. Lannan Shi 4 May 2020 19: 21 New
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      The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots

      Well, in general, a full quarantine is possible, with the issuance of rations in style - these are half a kilo of bread, half a kilo of potatoes, 50 grams of butter and 20 grams of sugar per day, you will not be overweight but you will not die either. But overall, yes. An epidemic or famine is easier for our government than to take care of the inhabitants.
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        And with quarantine as in the joke about the elephant. He will eat, but who will give him.
    2. Svarog 4 May 2020 19: 33 New
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      Well, there are options. The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.

      Shpakovsky invented a gun to suppress riots .. in a previous article he described, with such a gun, the president is not afraid of riots wassat
    3. Zdishek 4 May 2020 20: 04 New
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      What is the epidemic ???? Stop carrying heresy)))
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        yes here ..sty group of 8-9 went to work on the sofa and let's dance around the topic and moderators do not care
  • Lannan Shi 4 May 2020 19: 17 New
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    It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed both at protecting the health and life of ordinary Russians and at preventing a decrease in the standard of living in the country.

    People are not tired of sitting at home. People can no longer sit at home. More than a month has passed. We have already eaten the last sn, there is no new one and is not expected. If you observe a map of self-isolation (I look a couple of times a day), then you can see that people east of the Volga have already scored all the signs of the authorities. It is necessary to eat at least a couple of times a day, and not to postpone this event on the day of canceling the inventions of power. But the logic of the very authorities has very big problems.
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      But the logic of the very authorities has very big problems.

      Power and logic-things are incompatible hi
      1. Lexus 4 May 2020 19: 45 New
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        Power and logic-things are incompatible

        It would be, at least, naive from swindlers living according to "concepts" to wait for logic.
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          It’s naive to expect logic from swindlers living according to “concepts”.

          Alexey, they have one logic - to grab everything, preferably quickly and a lot
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          It would be, at least, naive from swindlers living according to "concepts" to wait for logic.

          So no one expects logic from you :)))
      2. PROVINCIAL 4 May 2020 19: 50 New
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        I do not agree))) Our power and logic are completely compatible, if you can logically think, analyze and "see."
  • PROVINCIAL 4 May 2020 19: 20 New
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    Statistics is a terrible weapon in the right hands. Any sane person can link the increase in the number of identified cases with an increase in the number of tests performed for coronavirus. Fewer people can link the increase in patients with increased funding for hospitals (150000-200000 rubles for the treatment of 1 patient). And the vast majority links everything that happens with the training to introduce total control. I express only my opinion.
  • Titus_2 4 May 2020 19: 23 New
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    the fact that they will remove the same doubt from me, that there is no doubt about the statistics being defamed (my brother works at the Federal State Statistics Service). The bottom line is that they drove everyone into apartments and celebrities broadcast to us from their palaces ... tolerant yet, but the main injustice is that there are not essential shops, but apparently the deputy or someone else is the boss and he works. One other third and critical mass is accumulating .... I don’t know what will happen by autumn, but it’s not sweet for me self-employed with 2 children.
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      Quote: Titus_2
      but it’s not sweet for me self-employed with 2 children.

      Yeah, I understand you as a self-employed. Only I have three and a mortgage. Now there seems to be work, but by the fall will be consequences that are now not visible. And we’ll eat horseradish without radish.
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        Personally, I’ll cross my fingers ... because all your comments are in tune with me .... God will let us break through, but here is the current situation with the self-employed and other results of our irremovable actions.
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  • Tagan 4 May 2020 19: 23 New
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    The author with statistics seems to have some misunderstandings. There is such a thing as growth rates (the ratio of infected per day to the total number of infected). Therefore, the absolute daily increase in itself does not mean much. In addition, the number of tests increases, which naturally leads to an increase in the detected cases.
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      Quote: Tagan
      The author with statistics seems to have some misunderstandings.

      laughing Oh, not only with statistics, if it’s incomprehensible at all, and not a duty sketch. yes
    2. Bobrick 4 May 2020 20: 39 New
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      Even with this approach:
      Firstly, the number of requested beds for treatment also increases with the number of tests (what used to be bronchitis or a mild form of pneumonia will turn out to be a coronavirus, which will require a completely different treatment, other specialists, isolation, longer observation, and most importantly, additional load so the overloaded part of the healthcare system).

      Secondly, even a decrease in the growth rate of spread does not guarantee that the collapse of the medical system does not occur due to the excess of the number of patients over the number of beds and the capabilities of doctors (much less people recover every day than they get sick).

      Thirdly, doctors are overloaded with work right now, and therefore there may soon come a moment of a sharp drop in their productivity in the current situation (nerves and dreams at work do not add productivity).

      One can talk about the concept of growth rate in this situation if the capabilities of medical institutions also grow at least at a comparable pace for a long time.
      However, they are just limited in growth and all the simple ways to increase the possibilities of honey. institutions have already been exhausted, but complex ones (building new hospitals, etc.) give very controversial results, if at all.
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  • knn54 4 May 2020 19: 25 New
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    Said at the discretion of the governors.
    Most likely, the peak in Moscow may even take place if they are not brought from the region. Russia is large and the pandemic is (according to Golikova) in the country with a delay of up to two weeks.
    Therefore, the output is phased.
  • svp67 4 May 2020 19: 28 New
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    really going to cancel, how does this fit in with the daily published statistics on coronavirus?
    Will be canceled, but not all and not immediately. These measures were introduced, not so that we would not get sick, alas, but this "version" of the coronavirus settled with us forever, but in order to stretch the epidemic in time, easing the load on the medical system. So that we need to learn to coexist with this danger.
    In the meantime ...
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      Is this for sure Russia? ... For all the time of quarantine neither in the car, nor in the place of residence, I have not seen these characters. “Quarantine” was observed by law-abiding first 2-3 days. Now there is a continuous May “picnic”. Masks and gloves have ceased to be worn even by shop assistants. I observe a lot of children on the street and on cameras in the city center. There is no quarantine !!!
      Why is this all happening? In my opinion, the police simply ignored the event. That's when the remnants of the doctors "fail", then the "fur animal" will begin. Russia expects a gloomy shame in organizing the fight against the virus.
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        Masks and gloves have ceased to be worn even by shop assistants.

        I don’t know, I don’t know. Here the police are now "fussing" in compliance with the "mask regime", they are not allowed into stores without them, into transport.
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          [quote = svp67] [quote = samarin1969] Even sellers in shops stopped wearing masks and gloves. [/ quote]
          I don’t know, I don’t know, here the police are now "fussing" in compliance with the "mask regime", they are not allowed into stores without them, into transport. [/ Quote
          In the vicinity of Simferopol, Bakhchisarai "fierce" for a month did not see. laughing
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            In the vicinity of Simferopol, Bakhchisarai "fierce" for a month did not see.

            Yes, we have the same thing it has recently begun, they are checking up, they are fined ...
            But you have generally gracious places there, in terms of the fight against any infection of the place ... God forbid that all this would somehow "settle down", but quickly.
      2. 210ox 4 May 2020 20: 34 New
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        It seems that the oversight bodies themselves spat. The colleagues went to Manych, and this is a neighboring region. They stopped, asked where, honestly admitted to fishing and missed with Krasnodar numbers.
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          Quote: 210ox
          admitted fishing

          In the Rostov region, it seems that the spawning ban is now in effect, no? Poachers or what?
          1. 210ox 4 May 2020 22: 53 New
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            Probably they can be called that .. what
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        Quote: samarin1969
        Is this for sure Russia? ... For all the time of quarantine neither in the car, nor in the place of residence, I have not seen these characters.

        that's it for sure ("mother")

        and in the photo svp67 (Sergey) - Italians
        1. svp67 5 May 2020 04: 17 New
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          and in the photo svp67 (Sergey) - Italians

          If it’s, this is a military patrol on the streets of Yekaterinburg
          1. opus 5 May 2020 11: 47 New
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            This is a military patrol on the streets of Yekaterinburg

            military*?
            and what kind of "street"?
            Photo from
            https://www.e1.ru/ это понятно.
            E1 itself writes
            How do they patrol the streets of Yekaterinburg and monitor those who returned from abroad? Police explain

            https://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-69071683.html
            And what can a military do to a civilian without an emergency regime?
            Will be sent and civil will be right.
            However, I now recognize in Yburg.
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              military*?
              and what kind of "street"?

              Lenin Avenue near the monument to Marshal Zhukov at the main entrance to the headquarters of the Central Military District
              Quote: opus
              And what can a military do to a civilian without an emergency regime?

              What should he do? They carry out patrol service in the department. You’re talking about the seizure of power by the military, fan the theory ...
              Quote: opus
              However, I now recognize in Yburg.

              It’s immediately clear that you are from far away ... like we have here the city has not been called so for a long time
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                . You’re talking about the seizure of power by the military, fan the theory ...

                Well, what does this have to do with it?
                You write (I will remind)
                Quote: svp67
                so that we need to learn to coexist with this danger.
                In the meantime ...

                what for now?
                why this photo with the military controlling Yekaterinburg?
                For this?
                Quote: svp67
                in order to stretch the epidemic in time easing the load on the medical system


                Quote: svp67
                It’s immediately clear that you are from far away ... like we have here the city has not been called so for a long time

                I'm from far away, yes. I always call him that. And I hold my hand on the pulse of the city ... and sympathize with the inhabitants, now

                "hear what I say"
                1. svp67 5 May 2020 12: 14 New
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                  Quote: opus
                  why this photo with the military controlling Yekaterinburg?

                  This is today, patrols and those in masks, and the photo is beautiful, "Review ..." is still military ...
                  Quote: opus
                  And I hold my hand on the pulse of the city ... and sympathize with the inhabitants, now

                  And in what sympathy? That such a worthless steward was imposed on the city? Here I completely agree with you. I haven’t had such an ineffective management in our city yet. This person is a big fan of "granite tiles" ... the city disfigured, the second year can’t fulfill the amount of work that he himself appointed ...
                  Need a photo of the cops on the streets ... please



                  1. opus 5 May 2020 12: 21 New
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                    This is today, patrols and those in masks, and the photo is beautiful ...

                    in nature / air is a meaningless exercise. Nadys politsaev taught: ride a horse in a park. belay
                    the masks are raw, they haven’t been removed since the divorce.
                    / yes the photo was Lenin Avenue, "Point" confirmed

                    Quote: svp67
                    The fact that the city was imposed on such a worthless

                    Well, I sympathize.
                    we are also imposed a booby with a watch for $ 70000 and a shovel
                    1. svp67 5 May 2020 12: 23 New
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                      in nature / air is a meaningless exercise. Nadys politsaev taught: ride a horse in a park.

                      Commander's Call ...
                      1. opus 5 May 2020 12: 30 New
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                        Commander's Call ...

                        grandfathers? or the order bearer, our admirer Roman Fedorovich von Ungern-Sternberg?
                        both are not competent
                        if you don’t listen to the mustache
                        These are his principles. When he is deeply immersed in a topic, he collects expert information and in many ways becomes an expert. If you remember, at one of the meetings he was just joking that we have now the whole country has turned into virologists. So I have no doubt that he is on the way of becoming as a virologist, -

                        The requirement is a circus, as here:
                        the mayor without a mask is a journalist in a mask, but only on the mouth, on the snobel
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                        Quote: opus
                        grandfathers?

                        Well, to someone he’s obviously a grandfather ... nevertheless, he’s 56
                        Quote: opus
                        or order bearer

                        Not without it
                        Quote: opus
                        our admirer Roman Fedorovich von Ungern-Sternberg?

                        No, Colonel General Aleksandr Pavlovich Lapin
            2. Doliva63 5 May 2020 18: 36 New
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              "... in Yöburg.
              It’s immediately obvious that you are from far away ... like we haven’t called the city here for a long time "
              And what is the name of our city now? belay
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                And what is the name of our city now?

                Actually Yekaterinburg, but young people often use Ekat
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                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  And what is the name of our city now?

                  Actually Yekaterinburg, but young people often use Ekat

                  I lagged behind life, I call everything Yoburg laughing
    2. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 22: 53 New
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      Masks and gloves have ceased to be worn even by shop assistants

      Yeah, an interesting picture. I smoke on the balcony, I watch almost every day people in suits of protection coming out of the same neighboring house. Now with an ambulance, then just in a civilian wheelbarrow, but with some cases (paid test, maybe they did it). Became interesting. He opened the map of the coronovirus at the addresses. In the area I have several dozens of infections, it turns out, and all (except for one - which is somewhere on the outskirts) in 4 houses standing around one store. The area is large and clean everywhere - the infection is only in 4 houses around this store. At my house, for example, the nearest store is another, on my side of the street, and those 4 have the same one. Moreover, this store is one of our well-known chains, which, for some reason, unlike all the others, didn’t bother to put protective screens for their sellers, or to issue normal protective equipment. It seems to me, now I know how the infection spreads and why she does not care about self-isolation.
  • alien 4 May 2020 21: 29 New
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    In the meantime ...

    In the meantime, doctors are struggling to solve this problem:

    How did the Ural Triazavirin prove itself in the fight against coronavirus?
    “<...> the governor of the Sverdlovsk region Yevgeny Kuyvashev told Instagram that 150 thousand packages of Triazavirin were purchased in the region for treating patients with coronavirus.

    “From the very beginning of the spread of a new coronavirus infection around the world, we considered it appropriate to use Triazavirin,” said Oblgazete, Chairman of the Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the Institute of Organic Synthesis, Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Valery Charushin. “Triazavirin” acts on fragments of viral proteins that are considered conservative - they do not change during the mutation and are present in many strains of RNA viruses. This drug has a wide spectrum of action and affects not only strains of influenza viruses, but even tick-borne encephalitis virus. This fact suggests that it can be effective against the new coronavirus. ”
    https://www.oblgazeta.ru/society/health-care/108887/

    Russian scientists began to apply a new treatment method COVID-19
    “Scientists of the Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Military Medical Academy, the Center for Advanced Radiation Medical and Biological Technologies and the Institute of Biomedical Problems have received permission to use heated helium-oxygen mixtures for the treatment of patients with coronavirus infection.
    <...> Inhalation with a heated helium-oxygen mixture improves lung ventilation, gas exchange and microcirculation in the lungs. According to repeated PCR studies, the mixtures contribute to the elimination (elimination) of the virus from the body. The mixture uses inert gas helium and oxygen. Helium well brings oxygen and drugs that cannot be delivered to the lesion in a different way to the alveoli. The combined use of mixtures with drugs increases the effectiveness of the latter by orders of magnitude.
    <...> Recommendations on the use of heated helium-oxygen mixtures have been introduced April 24, in the recommendation of the Ministry of Health of Russia. "
    https://rg.ru/2020/04/28/reg-urfo/rossijskie-uchenye-nachali-primeniat-novyj-metod-lecheniia-covid-19.html
  • awdrgy 4 May 2020 19: 39 New
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    Some are afraid, others are doing (Not funny for something about the war)
  • Boris Razor 4 May 2020 19: 39 New
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    What statistics, dear author? Our head of Rospotrebnadzor on April 28 said that according to the results of studies on antibodies, 20% of doctors have already been ill and have immunity. According to Rosstat, there are 565 thousand doctors in Russia. It turns out that only doctors infected with us on April 28th had more than 110 thousand, and according to official statistics - on April 28th there were only 93 thousand infections. Such statistics can be thrown into the trash.
    And in early April, the same head of Rospotrebnadzor stated about 3% of those who were ill in Russia, and this, for a minute, is more than 4 million people!
    Everyone who does tests for antibodies and finds immunity (the same Butchers), tell curious stories about how they got sick with something similar to coronavirus in the winter.
    It seems that in December-January, our valiant health care did not even notice this coronavirus, when several million of our compatriots suddenly fell ill with it. And when the topic became fashionable there, beyond the hill, already with several thousand infections, our government closed people home and collapsed the country's economy.
    That's where the oddities begin!
    1. New Year day 4 May 2020 20: 06 New
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      Such statistics can be thrown into the trash.

      Without a doubt!
      The other day, Sobyanin said that in Moscow, 2% of the population is sick, in absolute numbers it is within 250 000 people! In Moscow! And according to statistics, throughout Russia, the WHO serves
      The number of patients 120 000 person! All around Russia!
      How can this be?
      1. Krasnodar 4 May 2020 22: 52 New
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        Quote: Silvestr

        Without a doubt!
        The other day, Sobyanin said that in Moscow, 2% of the population is sick, in absolute numbers it is within 250 000 people! In Moscow! And according to statistics, throughout Russia, the WHO serves
        The number of patients 120 000 person! All around Russia!
        How can this be?

        Of course maybe
        Moscow has the highest concentration of both foreigners and people constantly traveling abroad
        1. New Year day 4 May 2020 23: 30 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Of course maybe
          Moscow has the highest concentration of both foreigners and people constantly traveling abroad

          And this! In the column of cases, the address is not indicated.
          1. Krasnodar 5 May 2020 00: 17 New
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            Do you mean what data is submitted to WHO? )))
            In fact, there is a big booth. More precisely, even larger laughing Regions ask for money and, according to unconfirmed rumors, attribute the number of patients and write off some deaths on COVID - supposedly for the sake of financing. But. Reports to WHO - judging by the declared successes in the treatment of cancer patients in Russia and the cases that, until recently, I have been treated with - subjectively - I would not really believe the official statistics submitted by the Ministry of Health and Russian doctors hi
    2. dzvero 4 May 2020 21: 22 New
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      December is nothing ... The French analyzed last year’s samples of patients (12) with pneumonia. A positive result was one already in September. That's where the oddities begin ... I can’t give a link - they broadcast it on the radio, but I didn’t search the sites.
      By the way, about the tests. The Germans say that flu can give a positive result.
      1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 21: 48 New
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        The Germans say that flu can give a positive result.

        I read the reviews that passed the test. At one journalist, she and the whole family got the flu, and a negative test for antibodies to coronavirus. I think that if the same antibodies were produced from influenza and coronavirus, then the population would not have had such acute questions with immunity. In the USA, out of the blue, this year the flu was rampant - in general, according to the logic of German scientists, everything should be with antibodies, but in reality we see the opposite situation there.
        1. dzvero 4 May 2020 22: 58 New
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          The problem here is rather that the test can respond to antibodies against the influenza virus - a false positive result. This happens, although manufacturers try to eliminate non-specificity when developing a test.
          1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 23: 04 New
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            may respond to antibodies against influenza virus

            So I tell you - in the USA these tests appeared and began to be applied much earlier than ours. They conducted these studies in early April. And according to the results of research - they do not have such massive immunity (albeit false positive) as ours, despite the terrible flu epidemic this year.
            And to those who wondered at the beginning of the "pandemic" why Russia, which borders China, has fewer infected countries than countries that have no common borders with it, in my opinion, an answer appeared.
        2. Piramidon 4 May 2020 23: 18 New
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          I think that if the same antibodies were produced from influenza and coronavirus, then the population would not have had such acute questions with immunity.

          Even the flu for each strain produces its own antibodies. This year he was ill, developed immunity, and the next year the virus mutated and all immunity was covered. Develop new antibodies.
          1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 23: 18 New
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            Even the flu

            Above answered. This is just another reason to doubt that anti-flu antibodies are difficult to weed out in the test under discussion.
    3. cradle 4 May 2020 23: 03 New
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      and who said that 28 thousand infected on April 110? Why is the word ill only read as INFECTED? I myself had the flu in January on a shift like never before. I usually stand on my feet. But this time it was long and hard ... I even had to take a half day rest .... I lay down, it became easier, but then I got out for another 10 days. I had to go to work, but I walked like a ghost ... And there were a lot of these ... I think just 20% already had this garbage before March. Masks are nonsense for the virus (unless the snot is not sprayed and it is ineffective) and, moreover, the ventilation of the lungs is disturbed and the chances of getting sick are only higher.
      1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 08: 06 New
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        and who said that 28 thousand infected on April 110? Why is the word ill only read as INFECTED?

        Official statistics, it says in black and white: infections on a certain date. Of these, it recovered / died. How can you get sick without getting infected?
        1. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 44 New
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          my young friend may have been ill several times more ... because, most likely, it was so sluggish enough with the growth rate of the sick and with mortality (especially if they get infected the second time). This is what I wanted to convey to your brain. laughing
          1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 11: 09 New
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            Quote: besik
            I wanted to convey

            Do not rush to carry. You absolutely did not understand what you are responding to.
    4. Oleg Zorin 4 May 2020 23: 49 New
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      If millions were ill in December-January, then a / t in the population would be found without exception. So you are mistaken.
      1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 08: 11 New
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        If millions were ill in December-January, then a / t in the population would be found without exception

        3 percent then, 20 now. Everything is logical. What does your "polls" have to do with it?
      2. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 46 New
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        Well, why without exception, if millions have been ill, and not tens of millions who have been ill? And a / t is very much detected .... officially 20% of such doctors. How do you like this info? Or is this not a reason to think?
  • rocket757 4 May 2020 19: 39 New
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    "great thing" statistics! One thing is clear, nothing is clear!
    So it will be until the very end, if only we all do not come to an end.
    Now there is still dust for nothing, it makes no sense.
    1. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 52 New
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      I beg you! ... with a mortality rate of less than 1% ... it's not Eboll ... That's when I .... was worried. I personally knew people who worked at the enterprise and who died of pneumonia in the winter of 2018-2019 and NOBODY fought in a tantrum about a pandemic ... Where is the logic?
      1. rocket757 5 May 2020 12: 43 New
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        The logic is that DUST, panic, chatting for nothing is NOT NECESSARY!
        Did you really see in my written appeal to go to the cemetery and dig, dig, in advance?
        PS By the way, the minimum mortality from the virus is far from everywhere, BUT, compared to the same indicator from other diseases, this is really nothing! But still, people are AFRAID and will have to go through this! Fear + informational "bombing" of all sorts of different, this is now a serious factor in
        state policy. This will also have to go through.
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 19: 40 New
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    They will definitely prolong, as doctors say, we didn’t even reach the plateau and are still ahead. More and more I become a supporter of conspiracy theology. Gates and the team really want to leave 1 billion on the ground .. soon everyone will be forced to get vaccinated, and then the vaccinated will begin to die from another incomprehensible virus. Those who remain will introduce chips and make them work for cryptocurrency.

    This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))
    1. Svarog 4 May 2020 19: 50 New
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      Quote: Tagan
      This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))

      German Gref will vaccinate you .. but most likely you already have a chip inserted laughing
      1. Oleg Zorin 4 May 2020 23: 50 New
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        Svarog, you constantly and voluntarily carry your chip with you. The smartphone is called laughing
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        In normal times, this one would be put directly to the wall
  • Crystal of Truth 4 May 2020 19: 45 New
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    A disease is a disease and an economy is an economy .. We must look for a balance ..
    And then for a bag of food they will kill more than a virus
    1. Titus_2 4 May 2020 21: 02 New
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      Well, in Moscow there was already a place for a father and son to be beaten (in the Dynamo area) and the products were taken by residents of friendly republics, although they were mostly when working in housing and communal services.
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        in Moscow has already taken place

        Beaten - that's what. The other day the news was that some kind of animal stabbed with a man’s knife for a bag of groceries in Moscow.
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 19: 46 New
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    First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

    The "Scar" apparently decided that it was time for the pandemics to "conquer."

    Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home? If you don’t even remember him in at least one comment, you won’t even be able to eat)))
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      Quote: Tagan
      Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home?

      Why a portrait? Turn on the drawer and watch!
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      It fulfills the norm.
  • Dikson 4 May 2020 19: 47 New
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    It’s just Italy, Spain, and possibly Turkey .. And other countries open the borders for tourists soon .. - we’ll sit in “self-isolation”, and some will go to the warm regions and away from our homes away from sin, until here we rushed ...
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 19: 55 New
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    This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))

    German Gref will vaccinate you .. but most likely you already have a chip inserted laughing

    Do not shift from patient to healthy. Better look, as if you hadn’t inserted something inadvertently while you are fantasizing
    1. Poor 5 May 2020 09: 19 New
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      you don’t need to insert anything, we ourselves bought smartphones with SIM cards according to passports, we carry out calculations by bank transfer, got snls, etc. etc., digitalization has long and confidently entered our lives. The movement of opponents of vaccination also exists for more than one year, but they will impose restrictions on the provision of various services to those without vaccination, and we will lower our pants ourselves and go for an injection laughing “They are shooting a horse, are they not right?” Hores McCoy
  • New Year day 4 May 2020 19: 57 New
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    A few thoughts out loud:
    1. There is an increase in morbidity and mortality
    2. Against this background, the issue of easing restrictions is being discussed
    3. After a lull, agitation for amendments / new constitution began again in the box.
    The surge in incidence is due to the beginning of access control in Moscow and the celebration of Easter.
    But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?
    1. Sling cutter 4 May 2020 21: 28 New
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      But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?

      Well, the plan was like that, the vote was on April 22nd, and then the emergency situations, so as not to go out, did not protest ..., hence the rush.
      1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 22: 05 New
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        Well, the plan was like that, the vote was on April 22nd, and then the emergency situations, so as not to go out, did not protest ..., hence the rush

        It turns out, it turns out, they only "optimized" health care, whose strength, alas, was not enough even to tolerate with "self-isolation" until April 22.
        If today they try, to give a damn about everything, to vote for "zeroing", it means that it is likely that a real Trynets will be waiting for us further, after the onset of the price for "zeroing" no one can vote at all. This explanation of haste seems logical to me.
    2. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 21: 58 New
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      Easter celebration.

      Do not drag Easter. On Easter there were almost as many people in churches as on other days of "self-isolation" - ministers and 0.5% of parishioners. So it was before Easter from the very beginning of "self-isolation", so it is now - so it is not logical to single out the "maximums" here. Who decided to walk despite "self-isolation" - walks every Sunday, who decided to stay at home - sat on Easter.
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        Do not drag Easter. On Easter there were almost as many people in churches as on other days of "self-isolation" - ministers and 0.5% of parishioners.

        all visited all the temples at the same time and went to all the families that celebrated?
        1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 22: 35 New
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          all visited all the temples at the same time and went to all the families that celebrated?

          Not all, but those who went there already and continue to walk today. The service is held not only on Easter - but every Sunday and even more often. And if the believers still expressed some indignation about the request not to attend the services, then no one would have a walk around their relatives - in their thoughts.
          In my area in stores with booze and in front of them there are daily crowds, there is no question of any social distance there. For some reason, it doesn’t concern anyone, nor does anyone write about it; it’s not looking for distributors of infection here. There, half of the forever guarded "on self-isolation" - without any masks, stand drilled, spray their saliva.
          By May 1, everyone had gone to their dachas (in Moscow suburbs traffic jams were like in normal years) and went to visit each other with their dacha parties - to thump and fry meat. Also silence about this. And for some reason the public concern is mainly the Temples, which were almost empty on Easter. It is strange to me to read such things from thinking people.
          1. New Year day 4 May 2020 22: 51 New
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            And for some reason the public concern is mainly the Temples, which were almost empty on Easter.

            People celebrate Easter not only in temples
            Quote: Boris Razor
            it’s strange to read such things from thinking people.
            1. Boris Razor 4 May 2020 22: 59 New
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              People celebrate Easter not only in temples

              I answered you about "not only in the Temples." Believers, for the most part, are disciplined people and, having listened to the appeal of the Patriarch, you can be sure that they began to observe isolation on average much stricter than most people. The only catch there was in the ban on visiting the Temples - it was difficult for people to accept.
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                and here, you are absolutely right.
            2. Piramidon 4 May 2020 23: 32 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              People celebrate Easter not only in temples

              By the way, Victory Day is not in the parade either. And then everyone ran into a parade, saying that without it there can be no holiday. You can celebrate in self-isolation and even with friendsdrinks
    3. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 55 New
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      envy silently in Uzbekistan that we will finally be completely sovereign laughing
  • APASUS 4 May 2020 20: 05 New
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    For some reason, we are faced with the same fact.
    If the crisis began in the United States, then they have a 3% drop, and we have 12. So it turns out that the pandemic is not over yet, the numbers are only going up, and the time has come to lift the restrictions. I think we will catch up and surpass America. In our country only officials are good at reporting
    1. bubalik 4 May 2020 20: 36 New
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      the pandemic is not over yet, the numbers are only going up, and it's time to remove the restrictions.

      ,,, and this is the question, the restrictions are removed, and why are the stadiums and exhibition complexes being re-equipped to receive patients? ,,, will be even worse?
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      the clue lies in the mass and accuracy of testing. Well, just in case, I remind you.
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 20: 05 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    A few thoughts out loud:
    1. There is an increase in morbidity and mortality
    2. Against this background, the issue of easing restrictions is being discussed
    3. After a lull, agitation for amendments / new constitution began again in the box.
    The surge in incidence is due to the beginning of access control in Moscow and the celebration of Easter.
    But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?

    What are you worried about? Nobody drags you by force. And the Constitution will be accepted without you personally.
    1. cradle 5 May 2020 10: 59 New
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      how can a citizen of Uzbekistan be dragged by force to a plebiscite in the Russian Federation? We ourselves will figure out what we need
  • Zdishek 4 May 2020 20: 06 New
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    Guys! Plus, who did not sit at home a day))
    1. _Sergei_ 5 May 2020 03: 37 New
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      You young man suicide
  • Petrol cutter 4 May 2020 20: 12 New
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    I confirm. At us (JSC SZ "More"), selective quarantine has been extended to the 12th day of this month.
    Further, I have no information. We will find out the eleventh. What-how much / ball hockey ...
    True, in any case, I will leave on the eighteenth day for a planned vacation of two weeks (and my friend Kolya. My old colleague has been from the time before Pella). drinks
    1. samarin1969 4 May 2020 21: 06 New
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      Good evening, fellow countryman. drinks Well, if they pay "vacation pay", then not the worst way out.
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  • Tagan 4 May 2020 20: 19 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Tagan
    Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home?

    Why a portrait? Turn on the drawer and watch!

    Aw, don’t tell! A static picture is more reliable. He does not ask for electricity again. I went to VO, and not taking my eyes off the picture in his comments left and right, on the topic and without)))
  • Old26 4 May 2020 20: 32 New
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    Quote: basmach
    The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots

    Well, in general, a full quarantine is possible, with the issuance of rations in style - these are half a kilo of bread, half a kilo of potatoes, 50 grams of butter and 20 grams of sugar per day, you will not be overweight but you will not die either. But overall, yes. An epidemic or famine is easier for our government than to take care of the inhabitants.

    In our region, the first stage of distribution of rations has already passed. The first stage included lonely people with the lowest pensions, the second stage - also already begun - is veterans. The third - people over 1 years of age (if possible). The weight of the box is about 65 kg. Oil, cereals. canned food, sugar.
    At about 60 retail outlets in the city, the campaign "Free counter" continues for the third week. Over 60 outlets offer free products to people in a difficult situation. The action was offered by the entrepreneurs themselves. Among the products - cereals, tea, sugar, canned goods, cookies and some other sweets

    But this, you understand, does not solve all the problems. We have three in our family - all three worked, plus my wife and I, some, no, but a pension. Now the daughter is unemployed (the language school closed), the wife was fired after receiving the group (after the operation). In fact - two pensions and my salary. And in fact, revenues have halved. While we are holding on, but how will it be next - HZ
  • gvozdan 4 May 2020 20: 33 New
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    Whoever doesn’t like can sit further at home
  • Pvi1206 4 May 2020 20: 34 New
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    After all, the statistics (if you trust her) is such that

    there is truth and there is a lie ... and there are statistics ...
  • codetalker 4 May 2020 20: 34 New
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    Surely, in those regions where the situation is stable, they will begin to weaken the regime. And then more than once. Moscow will sit still for a long time, as I think.
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 20: 40 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    all closed

    Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store. They launch one at a time, the people inside are not crowding. My son bought printer paper. I went in, two meters from the entrance a partition made of tape. He asked for paper, he was taken out and showed samples. He chose and bought. Merchants get out as they can. You need to live.

    This is called an online order))) I confirm
  • U-58 4 May 2020 20: 41 New
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    So let's be honest and frank.
    Let me get bored while sitting at home. Well, give it to me!
    For we sat on the "kirintin according to the pre-Hurthian charter" from March 31 to April 5.
    And then we went to work. 46% of the total.
    For 6 days of rest, I put my thoughts in order, read a book, just rested.
    But I didn’t miss the word at all.
    There is money, because the needs are moderate for a long time, and I don’t live the last ruble.
    And so, some homes like missed (note, they missed for money), while others at work for a little more money.
    1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 08: 28 New
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      There is money, for needs have long been moderate

      Not all of us old people are obsolete - they don’t get enough for the sins of youth, someone for small children, someone for a mortgage.
      1. U-58 5 May 2020 10: 09 New
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        The sins of youth and mortgages are the essence of unreasonable needs.
        Well, if the children cannot provide for themselves, then they definitely went to you.
        1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 11: 17 New
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          Quote: U-58
          if the children cannot provide for themselves, then they definitely went to you.

          Not excluded. At 2 years old, I also did not know how to earn money.

          Quote: U-58
          mortgage is the essence of unreasonable needs

          I think you are too nobody to tell people what their needs should be recognized immoderate. If you are ready to work / sit without work for a bowl of porridge - then this is your personal business, no more.
          1. U-58 5 May 2020 11: 31 New
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            Of course, I'm too nobody. Just today, I have 40 years of work experience.
            Hundreds of unused days off because we work not only for 10-12 hours a day, but also on Saturdays and Sundays.
            At the same time, I never took a loan.
            Neither the people, nor the state, nor the banks.
            For stretch the legs of clothing.
            One example: 18 years ago I wanted a computer. He saved up money for three years and bought it. Everything at once. Without loans and credit moans ...
            And to those who give everything at once .... well, don’t whine about loans and lack of funds.
            You already have everything. So rejoice!))))))
            1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 11: 51 New
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              Quote: U-58
              I have 40 years of work experience

              Chubais has more. What did you want to say with this number?

              Quote: U-58
              don't whine

              So you whine here exclusively - on the sofa you would all roll.

              Quote: U-58
              18 years old I wanted a computer

              So many years, but I haven’t gained my mind. A mortgage is taken (sensible people) when there is such an initial payment that the payment on a mortgage is less than the cost of renting an apartment. If it would have been easier for everyone without a computer, then without an apartment a young family - no matter how. And it makes no difference whether you pay a rent or a mortgage, anyway - take it out and put it down.

              Quote: U-58
              Of course I'm too nobody

              That is how
              1. U-58 5 May 2020 11: 56 New
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                I agree . To a young family - nothing.
                Therefore, he gave his son everything that had been accumulated over 20 years, so that he would not interfere in the mortgage.
                Living without debt is, IMHO, a good tradition
                1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 11: 58 New
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                  gave to his son everything that has been accumulated over 20 years

                  If you only copied 3 years on a laptop, I can imagine how much you gave to your son (how many apartments will you buy for 7 computers?). Did he buy a tent with this money?
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                    He bought a kopeck piece in a panel house.
                    On the computer, I saved up, and did not put off everything to the penny.
                    I’m a normal person who never lived on credit.
                    And the son taught the same
                    1. ⁣⁣⁣⁣ 5 May 2020 12: 16 New
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                      On the computer, I saved up, and did not put off everything to the penny.

                      Those. your son took from you what you saved, putting aside everything to the penny, for 20 years?
                      Not everyone in this world has lost conscience. Some, imagine, hope for themselves and even help parents.
                      When my father delayed retirement after the pension reform, I persuaded him to quit for a year. As a result, we bought a plot in the south, built a house. Nature, the sea is relatively far away - grace. And I can certainly provide them with monthly income of at least several pensions.
                      And this is the least that I can do for my parents, who bent in the 90s in order to raise us, our children.
                      But here, you know, to each his own. There are, I do not argue, and drones.
                    2. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 12: 24 New
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                      I'm a normal person

                      And for some, imagine two or three children. Some single mothers were raised. Some do not live in the provinces, but in Mokva, where you can’t add up the price of an apartment. Some children, as the man above rightly wrote, are not going to live off their parents. Etc.
                      But you are normal - otherwise they are all kind of abnormal. Let, they say, do not whine.
                      Already takes horror from the redneck and limited thinking of some of our fellow citizens.
                      1. Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 12: 38 New
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                        Already takes horror from the redneck and limited thinking of some of our fellow citizens

                        Nah, buddy ... the horror takes just from the breadth of thinking of "some fellow citizens."

                        You look - no one, nothing, and no way to call. But - there too - to speak for everyone climbs, straight rushing, stop the vegetable.

                        And they asked me, as an example, if I want it to speak for me? That's it ... buddy negative
                      2. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 12: 40 New
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                        Do you think anyone is interested in communicating with bots? Well good luck.
                        Even the local communist sect conducts much more meaningful dialogues than you.
                      3. Golovan Jack 5 May 2020 12: 45 New
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                        Quote: Boris Razor
                        Do you think someone is interested in communicating with bots?

                        No. It’s completely uninteresting for me to “communicate” with you.

                        Quote: Boris Razor
                        Well good luck

                        Mutually laughing
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                        Hi Golovan. But do not tell me who deleted your comment in this thread above, where did you write that the helm of our state is full of "all kinds of trash"? For example, I can’t delete my comment a day ago. So deleted the moderator. But there was no obscene language, no obvious insults .. How so? Did someone ask him?
                2. U-58 5 May 2020 12: 51 New
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                  This is the trolling that you did from idleness.
                  Is there courage in the world, everyone decides for himself ..
                3. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 13: 10 New
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                  This is already trolling.

                  In no way. This is the truth of life. I hope that our dialogue will not go to waste.
  • cniza 4 May 2020 20: 45 New
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    primarily those who are engaged in private enterprise.


    This is a big problem when he gets up, and for many he is already standing, the question is how and how to live, you need to look for options for possible work for people.
  • Esoteric 4 May 2020 20: 54 New
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    But I’m interested. Our company does not work, but it is a real sector of the economy. All in white. No profit - no money. They will not pay anything, but when asked why, they will send him to the Emperor to ask a question. Why, excuse me, pay for housing and communal services, the loan that was taken to treat a sick mother in our "free" medicine? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
    All the time of his life, work at an enterprise that worked only "in white", all taxes were always paid. And now, when "Tryndets" comes to many people, where is the help from the state?
    1. Boris Razor 5 May 2020 08: 45 New
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      No profit - no money.

      I’ll tell you more, the customers of your company have the same parsley. When the restrictions are removed and your piedpriyatse seems to open up, there may be no one to buy its products. And then the main fun begins. Here direct investments in production would be saved (so that your company would have money for production, and for its customers to buy products) according to Glazyev, but they prefer to give money to currency speculators (there are more "profits" there) - according to Nabiulina. So the fun is yet to come
  • Hyperborean 4 May 2020 20: 54 New
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    Questions, attempts at analysis ..., understanding .. Leave it all .. To make predictions about the actions of the authorities is utopia .. And to try to understand and analyze them is beyond reason. So calmly, we are waiting for May 12, we are looking at what will happen next.
    1. Altona 4 May 2020 22: 13 New
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      Quote: Hyperborean
      Questions, attempts at analysis ..., reflection .. Leave it all ..

      -------------------------
      Wow ... I would also like to listen to virologists to be thoroughly and scientifically explained. Otherwise, it’s entirely “Americanists”, “Ukrainians”, “oil industry workers”, “gunsmiths”, “political scientists” and other “experts” who hastily transformed into “virologists” who are trying to prove something with diagrams and other casuistry. laughing laughing
  • Bshkaus 4 May 2020 20: 58 New
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    See statistics for other countries and make an adjustment for the population of the Russian Federation.
    Our daily growth may reach up to 15 thousand per day, a plug of 10-15 thousand. If higher, then a disaster.
    Then, in the Russian Federation the virus came a month later. In other countries, growth to a plateau went on for a month (March), then another month (April), or a plateau with a gradual decline, or “saw” with an interval of 6-10 days (eg USA, Ukraine, etc.).
    We have been overclocking for a month, now the month will be the most “heat”, something will become clear only in early June.
    So you can relax if we don’t get nonsense like in Belarus.
    1. Altona 4 May 2020 22: 15 New
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      We have been overclocking for a month, now the month will be the most “heat”, something will become clear only in early June.

      -------------------------------
      There are no 14 days of incubation period and a number of conditions in your equation.
      1. Bshkaus 4 May 2020 23: 10 New
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        There are no 14 days of incubation period and a number of conditions in your equation.

        And what's the point? In all countries, a pandemic follows certain laws, they are the same constant as the fact that tomorrow the sun rises in the east and sets in the west in the evening. And even if you don’t see it from behind the clouds, this does not mean that the sun did not rise at all that day.

        With the virus the same nonsense. Just graphics and nothing personal:
        American: note that a "plateau" has formed on the American chart, but it has jumps of a "saw", this is caused by a wave-like growth due to the incubation period, which in the USA cannot be knocked down for a long time and the disease is not in decline.


        A completely different picture in Italy, the same "saws" of growth every 5-9 days, but in general, they managed to slow down the spread of the virus, therefore, it turns out to be a hill, and the number of people infected every time goes into decline.


        And in Germany, similar to Italy.


        And here is how things are in Russia.


        The schedule is shifted by a month, and there is no need to graduate from universities to guess that its continuation will be either according to the German-Italian, or (God forbid) American scenario, but how exactly the matter went will be clear only after a month (see the chart) .

        and a number of conditions

        I agree that in any cyclic mechanism you can insert “scrap” in the form of artificial statistics, here, as they say, medicine is powerless, but it doesn’t affect the course of events ...
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      Here you’ve washed your head. Look at the fact that you have passed laws, statutes of thought, deeper and don’t be dumb.
  • xvot 4 May 2020 21: 04 New
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    [quote = U-58] And now, some homes like missed (note, they missed for money), while others at work for a little more money [/ quot [quote = U-58] and others at work for a little more money. [/ quote]
    it’s not a fact that the workers will receive more than the people sitting at home, but the workers do not whine, but in general it is clearly visible who is who in difficult times
  • Tagan 4 May 2020 21: 06 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Svarog
    You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed ..

    Wait and see. The problem is worldwide, not only in the Russian Federation. And you, the campaign, doesn’t care if only to throw the Russian substance into the state once again.

    Shame on you, Svarog negative

    He has such a job. There is such a profession - crap. And betray the homeland (if he is a Russian of course)
  • Old26 4 May 2020 21: 07 New
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    Surely, in those regions where the situation is stable, they will begin to weaken the regime. And then more than once. Moscow will sit still for a long time, as I think.

    It is unlikely that there are stable regions now. Judging by my region. Beginning March 21.03. - 1 person. Then an increase of 1-5 people. Now (last week - a minimum of 25, a maximum of 83 people. And as they say - “not yet evening.” Doctors themselves predict the stabilization and lifting of many bans by the end of June and the beginning of July. If there is no surge ...
  • Old26 4 May 2020 21: 16 New
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    Guys! Plus, who did not sit at home a day))

    And who was sitting, minus one? laughing
    1. Snail N9 4 May 2020 21: 44 New
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      I’m already tired of sitting at home ... and spring on the street, with might and main ....
  • Petrol cutter 4 May 2020 21: 39 New
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    The situation is as follows.
    The state has called people to consciousness.
    You will be ill, we will not have time to treat you.
    The people tried to show awareness, but when asked asked a couple of uncomfortable questions.

    Firstly, and so (in the province) they don’t treat Nicherta! ..
    Secondly, what do you want to live on ?!
    And we will charge you money! What kind of money?
    A- two thousand for a month, and to whom three!
    Wow! This is a lot of money!
    Grandmas went to people !!! And people began to wonder. Three hundred, four hundred and fifty! ..
    What's this?!..
    And this, there, calculated / divided by days, get shorter and rejoice!
    Did we give you money? Dali. Supported ?! Supported.
    Well done! Falcons!
    So that children support you in old age.
    I’m not speaking for myself. My family is not supposed to support me at all. hi
  • Virus-free crown 4 May 2020 21: 50 New
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    Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules. In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially. Good luck hi


    100500 he says correctly - WHAT is wrong ?! recourse
  • Cheerock 4 May 2020 21: 53 New
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    Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..

    Yes Yes. the officials are slobs, and the people are wonderful, disciplined, wears masks, are not going to barbecue, they keep a distance. good Half of the population in Covid does not believe in principle, and was not going to and does not intend to observe any rules, and until the relative is in intensive care, she does not think twice.
  • lopvlad 4 May 2020 21: 56 New
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    With 100 cases a day, measures were introduced; with more than 10 thousand, can be canceled.


    with 100 patients in the regions there were only a few patients (the epidemic was just beginning), now all regions are covered by the coronovirus, and in many of them, for almost a week now, the daily addition of patients has stopped at certain numbers (the regions have reached a plateau). Moreover, the vast majority of asymptomatic patients, more than 60% and units of severe patients.
    I think everyone understands that this year there will be no vaccine against coronovirus and the fact that the vast majority of the population of Russia will have to get coronovirus, but at the same time everyone understands that the virus will not disappear either in June or July or even in August. And so you need to get used to living with it it means phasing out the regime of self-isolation, especially since it feeds the spring and summer day all year, and the second wave of the coronovirus pandemic in autumn is the future reality.
  • Valeriy007 4 May 2020 22: 06 New
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    We are doomed to get this infection. All this quarantine in order not to flood the hospitals.
    Pleasure for a year. Moreover, observing today's level of self-isolation ...
  • lopuhan2006 4 May 2020 22: 21 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved ..

    Throwing substance after the fact - not to "indicate", my friend.

    Quote: Svarog
    organizational conclusions are not made at all

    Quote: Proverb
    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched

    There will be more "organizational conclusions," yes

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    but you encourage it

    In which place? I just really look at things - everything is impossible to predict ... against the background of the same Italy, Spain and the other USA, we look pretty well.

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    which means you indirectly take part in hiding problems ..

    Ohh ... are you alright? I'm starting to worry about you wink

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    thereby become an accomplice

    Essss !!! good laughing good to tears crying

    Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... troll - and then really do not know how. Although your experience is more than solid request

    Trolling, also boorish, is about your honor, although what does it have to do with it ......... And Svarog wrote everything correctly, as he politely answered your libel.
  • Alexey Kurtov 4 May 2020 22: 21 New
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    Wait May 6th! Before the meeting, no assumptions are worthless!
  • Yuri Matyushkov 4 May 2020 22: 40 New
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    Yes, something isn’t docking here either this or that invented virus just summed up statistics who spend what and how and how to move in general population control something like that !!!!!
  • 7,62h54 4 May 2020 23: 04 New
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    The Ministry of Health says it hasn’t reached the plateau, Rospotrebnadzor has already left. Dear Leader, he is on his own mind. Oh and climbers, oh and they roam in their mountains.
  • Oleg Zorin 4 May 2020 23: 22 New
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    The first round we conscientiously scammed. The authorities could not take control of all visitors. Profukali and the second round - could not localize the foci and crush them with quarantine. That is why now the authorities are trying to touch the balance between the risk of intensifying the epidemic and the need to open production
  • vitalij boniwur 4 May 2020 23: 31 New
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    According to the comments, he made a disappointing conclusion that migrant workers in Moscow, such as refugees in Europe, are one figs! They heap and spit on laws with morality! But since times are now tolerant, I will make a reservation that of course not all "guests" behave like this ...
  • tolancop 5 May 2020 00: 05 New
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    [quote = Evil543] Something like isolation doesn’t seem to be full of people on the streets, they walk with might and main with children. In Moscow, and then they say why so many are identified. Migrants in general, the law is not written, are grouped on benches. [/ Quot]
    Maybe they’re taking a walk .... But you can talk about the reasons for this phenomenon .... The conclusion that the management will definitely make: "What naughty !!! ..." ... People are not the same! They don’t want to sit in holes! And the fact that the leadership has already awakened so much that even though all the saints can be taken out and people have simply ceased to believe, the leadership doesn’t come to this leadership’s mind about this. IT, this manual, on April 15, doesn’t even remember .... The day when it SURROUND COMPLETELY, but didn’t even have the courage to admit the mistake, but simply dumped everything on the Central Internal Affairs Directorate. Faith from this, of course, increased .... And yet a simple little example ...
    The epidemic (if any) has shown the complete defeat of the health system. Where are the rioters? Yes there, continue to lead !!! And someone believes that after this, people will believe those who smashed the system left and right, getting rid of medical facilities and personnel? That they quickly rebuilt from destroyers to creators ?! I doubt it very much ...
    Do you want another example? Today (or yesterday?) "There is no shortage of medical masks and antiseptics in Russia, the remains of the masks in the distribution network are 20 million pieces, said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov. Ria Novosti reports on May 3." There are 20 million masks in the distribution network this morning. Not only You can go to the pharmacy, go to the Internet today, click - there is no shortage of masks at all. I’m not talking about antiseptics, "Manturov quoted the newspaper as saying this on the program" Moscow. Kremlin. Putin "on the channel" Russia 1 " . "
    Great, right? There are many masks, it turns out !!! But only until you start counting. In the Moscow region introduced a mask regime. The population of the region is approximately 8 million people. Let's say that only a quarter - 2 million go down the street. stock masks, if you rob the entire country to the inhabitants of Moscow Oblast (residents of the remaining subjects of the Russian Federation will wait a bit) enough for as much as 10 den. URA !!!!!!!
    To doctors, nurses and those who are actually fulfilling their DUTY - great respect. And in relation to those who brought to this .... the moderator will not miss.