In connection with the possible start of lifting restrictive measures, questions arise

There was information in the press that on May 6, the Russian president had scheduled a meeting on a possible phased exit from the regime of previously imposed restrictions. Recall that until May 12, the so-called non-working day regime operates. However, today not everyone can afford to be on vacation, including both employees and employers - primarily those who are engaged in private entrepreneurship.

Earlier, Vladimir Putin has already stated that preparations for the phased lifting of restrictive measures must begin now.

On the one hand, these statements cause an optimistic mood, but on the other hand, citizens have questions.

One of them:

If since May 12, self-isolation measures and those that accompany it (closed companies, enterprises, educational institutions, valid passes, QR codes, etc.) are really going to be canceled, then how does this fit in with the daily published statistics on coronavirus?

Indeed, the statistics (if you trust her) is such that every new day breaks records in the number of detected cases of COVID-19. Today, this number in Moscow alone is almost 5,8 thousand with 35 deaths. On the whole, in Russia about 10,5 thousand detected infected per day.

If restrictions are going to be removed in the coming days, does this mean that there is confidence that the situation with the incidence of coronavirus is under complete control and the country has already reached the same plateau that has been talked about so much?

But even if, purely mathematically (again, following the published statistics), the situation is not very similar to the plateau: if only a few days ago the increase was about 6 thousand infected, then now, as already mentioned, more than 10 thousand. With 100 cases a day, measures were introduced; with more than 10 thousand can be canceled.

It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed both at protecting the health and life of ordinary Russians and at preventing a decrease in the standard of living in the country.

Comments

[shadow]

And where did you get the idea that they would be removed? I think it will be extended until June.

[Lexus]

In the Tula and Ryazan regions, they just started to introduce passes. With 30 infected per day "self-isolated" and with more than 10 thousand per day "will give a laxative"? It looks like throwing a schizophrenic in an exacerbation stage. Very soon an abscess will open with a falsification of the "official" data, and many eyes will not just open, but will climb out of their orbits. Especially among those who have lost relatives and friends because of the criminal "self-elimination" of "galley rowers".

[Non liberoid Russian]

and where is it written that they will be removed? or is it you who suffer from schizophrenia and are trying to pass off your mania for reality? if there is a discussion on the 6th to remove restrictions, this does not mean that they will be removed immediately, maybe just the conditions of the stages will outline

[210ox]

No, why. If you really get it right, then the statistics will be corrected. There is an experience ..

[Lexus]

statistics corrected. experience is ..

No longer experience ... already a habit.

[bk316]

the husband is an infectious disease specialist in the hospital, for the second week he works in quarantine mode and sleeps there.

+6

Liberals continue to convulse: violation of rights and freedoms.

-14

Uh ... there is no dissonance?
Is the epidemic understated or an exaggeration?

Okay, this is a rhetorical question.

For those to whom it does not reach due to lack of education or obstinacy.
Distortions of statistics in one direction or another are easily caught by mathematical methods.
So far in the Russian Federation regarding coronavirus this is not fixed.

Regarding what and how it is developing, I wrote a big comment a few days ago, for those who are not hopeless you can read.
Regarding the differences from world statistics, I can write if you ask ....

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: bk316

Distortions of statistics in one direction or another are easily caught by mathematical methods.

Catch, and we will evaluate your method.

[bk316]

We will appreciate your method.

Not mine. You flatter me. Read tutorials
Do you know how a real mathematician, for example, differs from me? I can prove the theorems and he invent them ... Well, that's the way for those who understand.

And so be sure to catch and inform. Well, if you don’t get banned, as you know, I’m not talking about VO admins.

[mikh-korsakov]

Alexey. You wrote "Catch, and we will evaluate your mathematical method". I did not understand your logic and irony. Just think of a binomial of Newton. First of all, I categorically disagree with the opinion of some stubborn liberals that the government itself initiated the story with the virus, so that they, the liberals, and their sympathizers, would be mentally exhausted by draconian methods. The authorities are not afraid of liberals. but with the people, he thinks that he will come to an agreement, although, perhaps, he is mistaken. The authorities, whatever one may say, this whole story is a knife in the back. When there was zeroing in the pocket, the anniversary was approaching - and then everything broke off. But let's get down to business. When it became clear that the trouble was coming from Europe, they began to look for the infected at airports and on the roads. But it will surely flow through any barrier - how much will flow - but who can predict the scale of the leak, so we tried to reduce the PROBABILITY to the maximum. Further, what has grown has grown. After a month and a half, the course of the epidemic allowed specialists to calculate a forecast based on the received facts of infection. By the way, the results were published see Aghasi Tavadyan. ... I've seen them. In principle, as you might expect, nothing out of the ordinary. Gaussian curve for rise and fall. The total number of infected according to the forecast for the end of summer is 350000- 450000 people. Different regions reach the plateau in different ways - from early May to late June. And here, even though you crack, fundamentally change nothing, although, of course, you want to. so that there are fewer infected. But ruining the economy is bad. Therefore, there will be where and how much you can let go. What's so strange about it, if you don't fall into the usual hysterics.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

I did not understand your logic and irony. Think of Newton’s bin.

Not everything is so simple here. If we start from the official statistics, then it is probably not very difficult to calculate. But there are a number of "buts". A lot of people are sick with bilateral pneumonia, and the tests for coronavirus are negative, for example: Maxim Shevchenko had been ill with her (the deputy of the ZKS of the Vladimir region from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, on his YouTube channel he talks about it well), in a neighboring village, a farmer died of bilateral pneumonia, he is my garden Boronil, a couple of years ago, a radiologist, died of bilateral pneumonia in our city, they are not included in the statistics. I am 50 years old, in my entire life, no one of my friends has died of pneumonia before. Contradictory statements by Sobyanin and officials from Rospotrebnadzor about the percentage of cases. We could talk about some kind of statistics if the tests showed a sufficiently accurate (at least 90%) result, and everyone who applied to the clinic would have these tests done, but this is not the case. Therefore, in my opinion, the statistics do not correspond to reality, and what is actually happening there can only be guessed at.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

First of all, I categorically disagree with the opinion of some stubborn liberals that the government itself initiated a story with the virus, so that they, the liberals, and those who sympathize mentally with draconian methods.

The virus and the danger it carries must be taken seriously. However, I believe that the "optimization of medicine" is the reason for the introduction of such strict quarantine measures. And the fact that, under the pretext of fighting the coronavirus, laws are being introduced that, to put it mildly, do not help reduce social tension, this is the direct fault of the authorities. In addition, I believe that registering anyone who doubts the correctness of the actions of the authorities as liberals is not only wrong, but stupid and dangerous for the country.

[2 Level Advisor]

My mother works in the hospital, every year several people died from complications of influenza (pneumonia) .. So if you didn’t know before that there are always those who died from pneumonia, this does not mean that they were not ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

So if you did not know before that there are always those who died from pneumonia, this does not mean that they were not ..

The only question is quantity.

[2 Level Advisor]

I agree. In the same hospital, there are 2 dead from pulmonary diseases. Not one from the crown.

[Serg89]

Tin, man, you live there in heavenly conditions ... 50 years old pink glasses and a liberal exhaust at the end.

Here you have the real statistics:

I’m 31 years old, I live in Moscow, served in the army 2007-2009 (last 1,5 years), training 37115, zor 62162 Kyakhta (before joining the brigade), during the service I fell ill with pneumonia twice in 18-19 years, suffered a simple cold , all Rodney said - they would return the invalid, and I drove by the temple (youth, everything was crisp).

01.09.2016/25/35 - the death of a mother with diabetes, after a tragic ulcer, the leg was amputated, after which there was an intoxication of the body, the heart worked for 100% (after drugs such as xarelt or something like that) earned XNUMX%, the toxicity was sown and then Hope (after doctor’s prediction of XNUMX% death), the person has recovered.

Summary:

Mom was detained in a ward for two for 1600 rubles per day (leaving, state hospital), the second was a woman in Godkov’s dementia, who was 80, who, when “meeting” her family, was naughty that there was no air - they opened the window for 2-3 hours

The bottom line for my mom: death from pneumonia.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Serg89

Tin, man, you live there in heavenly conditions ... 50 years old pink glasses and a liberal exhaust at the end.

Respected. I didn’t drink at brotherhood with you. How do you know about my conditions? What kind of idiocy is any doubt about the genius of a "zeroed out" and the correctness of the line of his party to be interpreted as liberalism? Maybe you have forgotten that Putin has repeatedly spoken about himself as a liberal?

Quote: Serg89

Bottom line for my mom: death from pneumonia

Of course, I regret the death of your mother, but judging by your age, she was no longer a young man and with complications from diabetes. I’m talking about people quite young and without any complications that are not included in any risk groups. For such people, the risk of dying from pneumonia used to be extremely small.

[bk316]

The results, by the way, were published. See Aghasi Tavadyan. .

Well, yes, I also read. The models for everyone are about the same ..... The difference in the timing of the plateau and the total number of people infected is somewhere around 40%.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

Uh ... there is no dissonance?
Is the epidemic understated or an exaggeration?

Did you contact me?
If it’s for me, then I don’t give a damn about viruses, I’m a busoter from the 125th motorcade, I don’t wear masks, I don’t wash my hands.
I have a completely different question, why this government, knowing about the impending epidemic at the end of last year, was preparing for a vote for the elder, and not to repel the threat of freedom ?!

[bk316]

Knowing the impending epidemic at the end of last year, was preparing for a vote for the elder, and not to repel the threat of a lie ?!

What did you decide? To whom it was supposed to be prepared. A vector, for example, is straight from the first day.
Rosrezerv was preparing. And by the way business whose head is fine too.


They didn’t report to you in the mailbox, but you shouted that it was a fake, and now there are such ....

[SSR]

Quote: Stroporez

So-so electorate, well, they don’t count a couple-three of hundreds of thousands of bonds

Comrades, you are all right and wrong. The virus has come and for a long time. Europe America and we could not follow the path of Koreans. How many screamers do we have that self-isolation is evil, the virus is fiction, and there are as many alarmists.
In Russia, the percentage with a fatal outcome is one of the lowest in the world, this is already +.
Imha. The authorities paused to withstand the first wave of infected people, to do preparatory work for the construction of insulators and equipping mechanical ventilation.
Power under the existing model cannot please everyone. People are some young people, including how they were handled so and how they are spreading infection.
Doctors and authorities assessed the risks and silently act.
Last week, the test showed the presence of the virus in my sister, the doctor is 30 years old, there is still a family of doctors in the next room, so they did not even take the test. These are doctors who are self-isolated from family and friends.
The little sister has a 25% left lung and a 50% right lung in "frosted glass" and so far no one knows whether it is resolved or for life with shortness of breath. Our enterprise, all of this worked, officially, but other enterprises and people who fall into poverty, the State will not really help except by lifting restrictive measures requiring sanitizers, keeping distance, wearing masks and taking daily temperature measurements.
That's about something like comrades.

[Sling cutter]

Quote from S.S.R.

That's about something like comrades.

Greetings, Kamrad!
First of all, I wish your sister recovery!
Your comment is very realistic, but my indignation is directed to the authorities, who ruined the medicine, and now the doctors close their troubled affairs with their own enthusiasm and their own health.
And now regarding statistics. So answer, who in our country has reason to believe official statistics?

[SSR]

Quote: Stroporez

but my indignation is directed to the authorities, who ruined medicine, and now the doctors are closing their murky business with their own enthusiasm and their own health.

+ an ambulance came to the sister of an ambassador so the Kyrgyz assistant, the Kyrgyz driver, only the local orderly.
Here below the comrade wonders at the expense of doctors who refuse to work, and then the question also arises - do you need such doctors?
If so, then maybe they dispersed them correctly?
I have a colleague at work and her daughter graduated from a medical college and other doctors in kinship, so they were dismissed so that they would not work with the infected! But what about the Hippocratic oath?
I just mean that the virus showed the real state of affairs in the country and in medicine, like the 2008 war situation in the army.

[Sling cutter]

Quote from S.S.R.

But what about the Hippocratic oath?

One citizen also swore on the Constitution, so what?
The interjection "as if" has not in vain grown into our language, in the "as if" country everything is "as if", that is, not quite real ..

[bk316]

I just mean that the virus showed the real state of affairs in the country and in medicine, like the 2008 war situation in the army.

Ha and then it was not visible the situation in medicine and without the virus ....
Felsher is a Kyrgyz, here doctors at polyclinics do not speak Russian well IN MOSCOW.
Well, they’ve corrected the army and we’ll fix medicine.

[bk316]

Doctors and authorities assessed the risks and silently act.

Well, you see those who understand slowly more and more.
Silently that you are not quite right, go to the site of Sobyanin (with all my dislike for him) there everything that the population needs to know is written.
There is nothing to please about "frosted glass", it is pneumofibrosis and no one knows the long-term consequences. Usually shortness of breath goes away, compensation occurs, but of course you can't run a marathon anymore.

[SSR]

Quote: bk316

Well, you see those who understand slowly more and more.
Silently that you are not quite right, go to the site of Sobyanin (with all my dislike for him) there everything that the population needs to know is written.

I put it a little incorrectly. It’s just that I don’t have to go to the Sobyanin’s site, I'm afraid to even imagine what’s going on there, it’s enough for me that I see in our town. People like a brain taken out.

[YOUR]

It is already being fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv830ZFZF-s
They have already explained why he did it. Note that they did not refute that he was lying, but explained that he was concerned about the receipt of money.
Here you have the positive dynamics.

[nycsson]

Quote: 210ox

No, why. If you really get it right, then the statistics will be corrected. There is an experience ..

That's for sure! I have a sn 100000 re, and you have 20000 re. And according to statistics, we have 60000 re!

[Dreamboat]

Well, the horse race began with the pan on the head

schizophrenic delirium

...
Restrictive measures were introduced when the hospital fund was not ready, disinfectants and masks were sorely lacking, treatment methods were not tested, and did not believe that the virus is real!
Now it is possible to plan, by industry and type of activity, to begin to lift restrictions where it does not cause a massive surge in the disease. Naturally, it’s too early to let everyone out right away.

[Alex Justice]

In Sweden, quarantine is not so bad.
https://parsonstwins.000webhostapp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0RKyuV3UHi-eyDrkSYIzUdAqc8mDwgPzFdn5V9ZLTT82qyc0jx4y96JTw

[aesculapius]

I think I understood why they didn’t introduce quarantine in Sweden - half a day and a half. half chipped

[Mavrikiy]

It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed at protecting health

Liberals continue to convulse: violation of rights and freedoms.
Ah well, Removing restrictive measures must begin now. then: A guarantee of life and health! Well, what to take from them, they are children.

[Spektr]

In restrictive measures, there is one big minus, which crosses out all the advantages, reduces not only the incidence, but also everything else that is useful. There is a solution: declare a mandatory and ubiquitous mask regime. Although not 100%, but the reduction in infection is guaranteed and even more than with self-isolation. And a complete ban on mass events.

[Evil543]

Something like isolation does not seem to be full of people on the streets, they walk with might and main with the children. In Moscow, and then they say why so many are identified. Migrants in general, the law is not written, are grouped on benches.

[Kleber]

Exactly in Moscow? And then I do not observe this in Moscow. People, of course, go, but most of all for work. Of course there are individuals who are going to drink beer in the yards, but it ends quickly and sadly for them.

[Evil543]

Yeseninsky Boulevard from Kuzminki Park

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: lexus

In the Tula and Ryazan regions, they just started to introduce passes. With 30 infected per day "self-isolated" and with more than 10 thousand per day "will give a laxative"?

Why are passes a "laxative"? On the contrary, just - fixing ... in my town without a pass on a minibus-bus, of course, you can take a ride ... but it's dumb - I already know "fallen" adventurers. I have many friends, different ... there are some of them.

Quote: lexus

Very soon, an abscess will open with a falsification of the "official" data, and many of them will not just open their eyes, but will climb out of their orbits

What makes you think that the data is rigged? Well, honestly, besides your internal inclinations, are there any more significant considerations?

Quote: lexus

Especially among those who have lost relatives and friends because of the criminal "self-removal" of "galley rowers"

What is self-withdrawal? What I see: the ambulance is working, the hospitals are working, the people, so that they do not cross pollination, pah ... infection - dispersed to their homes, how many a month ago there were screams that "private traders will spit on everything and shops - fitness centers and so on" will not be closed - everything is closed except grocery and pharmacies, janitors (we have, at least) elevators and so on disinfectant - they process it, I even saw that they walk with a sprayer - benches, playgrounds are sprayed ... did it happen by itself, in your opinion?

Quote: lexus

It looks like throwing a schizophrenic in the acute stage

Yes. Seem to be. You really, very likely get it

[Deniska999]

Self-sufficiency lies in the fact that until recently dragged with restrictive measures. And for sure the main reason is the vote on amendments. Which, however, still dissolved in the future.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Deniska999

Self-sufficiency lies in the fact that until recently dragged with restrictive measures

Can you be more specific? For example, "self-isolation" in Moscow was introduced on March 30:

The number of cases at that time (in the Russian Federation, not in Moscow) is shown in the graph (1836). As soon as there was a hint of an increase in the rate of spread of the infection, they introduced it. Where is "to the last"? I can't see it point-blank

[Svarog]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Just a hint appeared

A hint appeared in China in January ... in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries. And then, we have military virologists who should have assessed the degree of danger and based on their findings, timely steps had to be taken, namely:
-Closing borders, where all arrivals are identified in a strict sump for 14 days. And those who leaked track contacts on the seventh knee .. all these methods are not new and they were used in the Union and they have proved to be effective. But this did not happen .. more precisely, it happened, but with a delay of two to three weeks ..
-If you still couldn’t prevent the epidemic, then you had to declare quarantine, with all that it implies .. that is, the state should take responsibility for the country's population, including the material. But as we can see, nothing of the kind happened, everything was essentially left to chance and left to the discretion of citizens, the state eliminated itself, simultaneously warning that the virus was dangerous and little studied.

[Golovan Jack]

Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules. In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially. Good luck

[Svarog]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules.

Expected ... Expected

Quote: Golovan Jack

In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially.

This is not about hindsight, but again about responsibility. You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed people. We will see the number of them later.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Svarog

You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed ..

Wait and see. The problem is worldwide, not only in the Russian Federation. And you, the campaign, doesn’t care if only to throw the Russian substance into the state once again.

Ashamed, "Svarog"

[Svarog]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Wait and see. Worldwide problem,

Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..

if only once again to throw the Russian substance into the state.

Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved .. organizational conclusions are not made at all, but you encourage it, and therefore indirectly take part in concealing problems .. thereby becoming an accomplice ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Svarog

Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved ..

Throwing a substance after the fact is not "pointing", buddy.

Quote: Svarog

organizational conclusions are not made at all

Quote: Proverb

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched

There will be more "organizational conclusions"

Quote: Svarog

but you encourage it

In which place? I just really look at things - everything is impossible to predict ... against the background of the same Italy, Spain and the other USA, we look pretty well.

Quote: Svarog

which means you indirectly take part in hiding problems ..

Ohh ... are you alright? I'm starting to worry about you

Quote: Svarog

thereby become an accomplice

Essss !!! to tears

Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... troll - and even then you really don't know how. Although you already have more than solid experience

[edasko]

Golovan, to be honest, you got it with your "Russian state." That's what the "Russian state" is in your presentation, eh? Something mighty, strong, which is always right and will always come to our small, weak help? Or a bunch of guys, bound together by mutual responsibility, led by the "fabulous"? Now people like you have been given a nickname-characteristic - guardians. In my opinion, the definition is too soft. And I also want to throw such a well-known substance into your "state". For what they did to my land. And on issues related to this notorious virus, you rightly said - wait and see. I think we'll find out a lot of interesting things soon. This audience cannot but lie - it is contrary to its nature.

[antivirus]

no unemployment problem.
If about the generation LIBR they said - "shell-shocked on June 22", then about this generation we can say - "shell-shocked by a positive balance." only
and "those who do not make money with us, those who are outside the protection of the authorities" are excluded from social obligations all over the world.
only submission to power.

[Revival]

Merged as usual ...

[Poor]

I don’t know who has a “backside - from the word ass”, but when the first infected in the mask appeared in March, I in a joking manner suggested to fence around and drop food from a helicopter, while my idea of ​​quarantine measures and isolation measures is primitive. What if bacteriological warfare? so we will chew snot? go by mail and promise to keep your salary look at China - that’s who can withstand threats, and we have only one word, from here and paranoia that someone decided to settle accounts with their own people. I don’t want to believe in it, I am convinced that the government (individual citizens) think only about their own tuches, therefore I wish them poets in tuches.

[bk316]

in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries.

As always, you're lying.

Countries "closed borders" in your definition when they received a surge in infections from abroad. For example Austria being close to Italy in the beginning of March. We are a few days late.
In the real sense, when it is impossible to travel from country to country, the borders of the European Union are closed after U.S. That’s how we got hit like you weren’t ordered by the authorities and left Italy for Austria, then either immediately by plane to the Russian Federation, or through dates or Benelux. I’m wondering if you’re lying on purpose or you don’t know a damn thing,

[carstorm 11]

in general, we closed the border with China in January.

[edasko]

That's bad luck, but the planes flew ..

[CSKA]

Quote: Svarog

in February, half of the world closed the borders, and we were one of the last countries.

Do not carry nonsense. In mid-March, they began to close the borders because the situation was already much more complicated then than we have now.

Quote: Svarog

and in the Union they were used and they proved to be effective.

Give an example?

Quote: Svarog

If, nevertheless, the epidemic could not be prevented, then it was necessary to declare quarantine, with all that it implies .. that is, the state should take responsibility for the country's population, including material.

It was announced if you are from another planet and do not tell in which country you took financial responsibility for the population and in what form?

Quote: Svarog

But as we can see, nothing of the kind happened, everything was essentially left to chance and left to the discretion of citizens, the state eliminated itself, simultaneously warning that the virus was dangerous and little studied.

You write one nonsense in each comment and do not get tired. A lot of the Communist Party or bulk you pay for it? What kind of self-elimination can we talk about when meetings and decisions are made every day and on various issues. When the police were taken to the streets and some cities were closed.
Even simply include your head and compare, because of which we have a completely different situation in both the USA and Italy.

[edasko]

It was announced

This is where we declared quarantine, eh? We, a citizen, have "self-isolation", you know. This means that you yourself want to isolate, but you want not.

which country took the responsibility for the population and in what form?

And here where - https://onff.ru/skolko-deneg-razdayut-naseleniyu-raznye-strany-iz-za-epidemii-koronavirusa/
From tsiferok not stunned? There is nothing to write nonsense!

[halpat]

I am surprised at the different approach to statistics. According to the news, the growth is not so big. They say somehow dimly and the impression that they measure day by day, today they compare with yesterday and no more.
But on the Russian site, stopcoronavirus has WHO statistics for Europe, and there they measure over the past 7 days, the past 7 days in relation to the previous period. And there Russia is in first place in honor and in terms of quantity and% growth.
If you look at the graphs on the same website, then something similar to a plateau is observed in many European countries (in the majority), in Russia there is no plateau and it’s not close, the graph is rushing and going up.
So it is unlikely that they will cancel restrictive measures.
I think that it will be extended until the end of May. With salary :)) as usual.

[CSKA]

Quote: Halpat

If you look at the graphs on the same website, then something similar to a plateau is observed in many European countries (in the majority), in Russia there is no plateau and it’s not close, the graph is rushing and going up.

In the Russian Federation, the situation began to deteriorate later than in Europe.

Quote: Halpat

But on the Russian site, stopcoronavirus has WHO statistics for Europe, and there they measure over the past 7 days, the past 7 days in relation to the previous period. And there Russia is in first place in honor and in terms of quantity and% growth.

You can still watch for hours.)))) The fact remains that the number of sick and dead in relation to the population in our country and in other countries is very significant. Our situation is much better.

[Tagan]

Yes, here their whole team pulled itself up)))

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Tagan

the whole team pulled up

From the "brigade" so far only a couple of people are watching. It is not enough

[Piramidon]

Quote: Golovan Jack

all closed

Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store. They launch one at a time, the people inside are not crowding. My son bought printer paper. I went in, two meters from the entrance a partition made of tape. He asked for paper, he was taken out and showed samples. He chose and bought. Merchants get out as they can. You need to live.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Piramidon

Closing fake

Where is it? Russia is big ... if somewhere there is "fake" - then far from everywhere. For example, we have store workers (there are more than 30 of them, stores, in the sense of the Russian Federation and around) honestly sit at home, on 2/3 of the salary ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store.

Um ... And if I need to buy a hundred rubles, they will let me go?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Um ... And if I need to buy a hundred rubles, they will let me go?

Well, as usual in the store. They don’t ask what you are going to buy. Come in, look, choose, try on. You can buy nothing and leave at all. And what can you buy there with this money? Yes, for 100 rubles now you can’t even buy cowards.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

Yes, for 100 rubles now you can’t even buy cowards.

Why do I need cowards? I need cold welding, it is fifty dollars per sausage.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Why do I need cowards? I need cold welding, it is fifty dollars per sausage.

Well, this I have not seen in a clothing store. I wrote that I bought a windbreaker (such a jacket). but they let everyone in without checking how much money you have in your pocket. And if they had goods even for 10 rubles, no one would forbid to buy. And in general, what does the price have to do with it?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

And in general, what does the price have to do with it?

It’s one thing when you buy a toilet for 10 thousand, and another thing when garbage for fifty dollars.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It’s one thing when you buy a toilet for 10 thousand, and another thing when garbage for fifty dollars.

For "garbage" in your shops are not allowed, or what? You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or laces for shoes over 70, no one will interfere.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or shoe laces for 70, no one will interfere.

Something I did not see that someone would stand near the cafe and call with a request to buy a pie.

[Piramidon]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Piramidon

You can come in and buy a pie for 15 rubles. or shoe laces for 70, no one will interfere.

Something I did not see that someone would stand near the cafe and call with a request to buy a pie.

How stubborn you are. I say that no one asks what you came for. Call only to open the door to the store for you. If they ask you, you can say that you came for the toilet and buy a tap gasket. After all, they will not shoot. You make a problem from scratch. And I buy pies in "Cookery". Free admission.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

The bell is just to open the door.

I didn’t see the names. Either I’m not lucky, or I don’t have them ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Piramidon

The bell is just to open the door.

I didn’t see the names. Either I’m not lucky, or I don’t have them ...

If you have not seen, then this does not mean that there is no such thing anywhere. So you just live in the wrong place.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Golovan Jack

in my town without a pass on a minibus-bus, of course, you can take a ride ... but it's dumb - I already know "caught" adventurers.

that "private traders will spit on everything and shops - fitness centers, etc." will not be closed - everything is closed, except for grocery and pharmacies, wipers (at our place, at least) elevators and other disinfectants - are treated, I even saw that they walk with a spray - benches , playgrounds are sprayed ... did it happen by itself, in your opinion?

I do not want to say that you are wrong, the country is big and the measures apparently depend on the region.
Here in our city in the suburbs, self-isolation is only in the minds of officials. Not grocery stores all work (No, they are closed, but each one has a phone number, you call say what you need and they start you up.)
The enterprises, in whole or in part, operate. (They only sat at home for a week).
Car services work, hairdressers on call, catering all work take-away,
Yes, in fact, everywhere and everything works except for schools and kindergartens.
We have not had any sick people until the "wise" authorities began to fight with personal vehicles.
They brought cameras to the city (because they found the money)) and began to fine 5tr all motorists. The people got scared and naturally everyone rushed into buses and taxis (you have to go to work, but SMS registration of passes did not work then), after a few days more than 30 people were identified with the virus. The second outbreak went from the hospital, where half the doctors turned out to be sick and still work, not from altruism, but didn’t want to lose money, it ended when one lost consciousness right at the workplace, everyone who visited the doctors and whom the doctors visited was now in strict quarantine , and this is to hell to the people.
So I think, if it were not for the stupidity of the authorities and the incompetence of doctors ...... in general I will not continue .......

[4ekist]

In the Moscow Region, I note the stupidity of two-legged rams that stagger through forests, near rivers, in parks with barbecue facilities and bottles and littered with garbage everything that is possible.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Why are passes a "laxative"? On the contrary, just - fixing ... in my town without a pass on a minibus-bus, of course, you can take a ride ... but it's dumb - I already know "fallen" adventurers. I have many friends, different ... there are some of them.

Does this make you happy?

[SSR]

Quote: Golovan Jack

What makes you think that the data is rigged? Well, honestly

90% support your comment, except for this part. We have a family with a virus in the town, only the head of the family got into the statistics because he is heavy and was hospitalized, another family member worsened, but as I understand it they were not hospitalized, they were not included in the statistics, they were put under control. And yes, officially in the city there are 10 identified cases, and only the head of the family got into these 10, the remaining 6 were not credited.
Imha. This virus, like a Spaniard, has not gone anywhere yet, that is, for at least six months.

[Well done]

In Tula, factories are buzzing. The defense works. What if the controller at the checkpoint is sick with coid? Hana. Thousands of infected. I know what I'm talking about, I myself work at TPZ (cartridge). And the statistics? So what? Let them underestimate. So calmer. There are many alarmists, it should be like in China - to plant violators, And the "mask" regime has long been necessary. I specially counted in "Magnet" - only 30% of Tula go to honey. masks. Self-isolation on weekdays = 2.2 - 2.5. Such is the Armory Capital, covid is rampant and the defense industry needs to work.

[Well done]

I read it on RT "About 350 doctors refused to work in the Kaliningrad region." Here, colleagues, what is really scary. You can understand them. But there are too many buts. (Is Hippocrates resting? And so on. And so on.)

[poquello]

Quote: Welldone

what if the controller at the checkpoint is sick with a coid?

and the controller without a mask?

[Well done]

In a mask, but their masks are dirty, worn out. But there are no gloves. When a person comes to work, he passes a pass, when he leaves, they return him. Imagine how much infection can be on these passes!

[Sergey79]

From nothing to do, he took official data on approximately equal population cities (millionaires), Moscow and St. Petersburg did not take into account. Counted up. I got that with a probability of 17% it can be argued that the statistics on cities is mistaken by no more than 200 people. And when you ask the probability of confidence of 90%, then in general complete nonsense. Therefore, statistics are compiled on the basis of gender - finger - ceiling.

[Svarog]

They will definitely prolong, as doctors say, we didn’t even reach the plateau and are still ahead. More and more I become a supporter of conspiracy theology. Gates and the team really want to leave 1 billion on the ground .. soon everyone will be forced to get vaccinated, and then the vaccinated will begin to die from another incomprehensible virus. Those who remain will introduce chips and make them work for cryptocurrency.

[Deniska999]

Restrictive measures should vary by region. Where there are a lot of cases and high growth rates (hi, Moscow), do not weaken much. But where everything is stable, then you can gradually cancel them. But IMHO all restaurants, movie theaters keep closed, as well as allow all sorts of events.

[Gardamir]

Infa about this. With 4 open parks, with 12 separate shops and hairdressers, with 18 more relief. Information from April 28th.
As for statistics, it applies only to those who know what mathematics is. Just add up all the sick, subtract the recovered and the dead. Really interesting?

[Svarog]

Quote: Gardamir

As for statistics, it applies only to those who know what mathematics is. Just fold all sick

I would also like to know how many of these patients .. 40% supposedly tolerate without symptoms .. tests either show or not show .., now you can understand exactly only by pneumonia, and this is an already neglected case .. and only those who are already in the hospital ..

[Gardamir]

Still to know how many of these sick.

Enough official statistics.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

Just add up all the sick, subtract the recovered and the dead

And what is wrong?

125817 + 18095 + 1356 = 145268

As if "everything beats"

[Gardamir]

As if "everything beats

No, you don’t understand here, not in a day, but in all the time. Suppose the sick are growing, recovering with a delay, but also growing, approximately in parallel. Something like this.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

not in a day, but in all the time

So?

It seems, too, all the rules ...

[Gardamir]

It seems too

Not really. This graph must be watched in development. The green line should eventually catch up with the orange, but this time is approximately two weeks. And on the chart for a month.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

The green line should eventually catch up with the orange

It will be closer to the end. Now, for a period of time, he gets more sick than he is recovering, and therefore does not catch up.

[Gardamir]

Now, for a period of time, he gets more sick than he is recovering, and therefore does not catch up.

I agree. We will wait and draw conclusions with time.

[Paul K.]

This is a priori logarithmic scale. Take in the line, not in the exponent and you will see a clear picture ... I saw a chart somewhere - (IMHO) - the third wave has not ended (I have been trading on the Elliott waves on the exchange for ten years), we are waiting for a flat correction in the fourth (it seems, called by our empty-headed bosses "plateau"), impulse up and down ...

[Alex Justice]

https://parsonstwins.000webhostapp.com/?fbclid=IwAR0RKyuV3UHi-eyDrkSYIzUdAqc8mDwgPzFdn5V9ZLTT82qyc0jx4y96JTw

[LKWUE]

By the way, everything works in Germany, only from this Monday they instructed the shops to wear masks.

[Thrifty]

Extend, it’s natural, there’s no point in shooting anything! Otherwise, we get an option worse than Italy at times!

[Civil]

The midst is ahead, it will be very very sad.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

... The midst is ahead, it will be very very sad ...
Especially with such cute naive people in the government, or maybe on the contrary, naive people, is it mildly said?
Coronavirus control fluid turned out to be fake (popular mechanics site)
https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/news-564754-zhidkost-dlya-borby-s-koronavirusom-okazalas-feykom/

[demo]

Most likely you are mistaken.
Today we had a conversation with a friend.
He works in one very interesting office.
So.
All employees, except the operatives, have paid leave until September.
Without options.

Talking to the public is one thing.
The main thing is not to pay money.
But really is another.
The main thing is that the security forces were rested and at a salary.

[YOUR]

The people began to forget about changes to the Constitution, about the main zeroing. They’ll remove, vote, and again, ah, you didn’t follow the recommendations, here’s the second wave.

[nycsson]

A bit of humor doesn’t hurt ...

[Freemason Mason]

There are two options. First, we have begun to defeat the epidemic. It disappears - the increase in the number of infected per day is greater only in the USA. Second, those small, if not ridiculous, sums of money that were allocated by the president and the government to support business have ended, but they are in no hurry to allocate new ones, so they are going to gradually remove restrictions, otherwise, at such a pace, the population will soon have nothing to pay taxes with. And if taxes cease to come, then the president and those close to him will not be able to lead a beautiful life worthy of their "contribution" to the development of the country, and of course this cannot be allowed

[Lexus]

First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

The "scandal", apparently, decided that it was high time for the pandemic to "defeat itself."

[Freemason Mason]

To the population - to isolate themselves. Epidemics - self-conquer. Problems - self-resolve. The standard of living is self-growth. From the knees - to rise. And so on on the list. Circus, and only. It’s only a pity that our effective clowns assigned the role of trained dogs to the population

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: lexus

First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

The "scandal", apparently, decided that it was high time for the pandemic to "defeat itself."

Hello namesake. The people are already buzzing, they want to eat, ,, duke, ”to their treasury .. that is, to the state, they only take friends, it has become dangerous to drag out with self-isolation .. Yes, and he himself already can’t tolerate his amendments to the Talmud to legalize by means of“ voting ”, so wishes of the people and like match up.

[Lexus]

And he himself could not tolerate legalizing his amendments to the Talmud through voting, so that the wishes of the people and the elder seemed to coincide.

Alexey, hello! The basic desires, as it were, for all living beings are the same - to eat, sleep, "relieve themselves" and "continue the race." Only now the "authorities" have long shown their attitude to the people, they are no longer particularly bothered by "retouching" the true plans and "on the sly" realizes them with might and main. I find the only explanation for the "bleating" of those who like everything that happens.

[Lexus]

I find the only explanation for the "bleating" of those who like everything that happens.

They "self-agreed".

[Tagan]

The basic desires, as it were, are the same for all living beings - to eat, sleep, "relieve themselves" and "continue the race."

Small clarification. Our "liberal" public has a need to "pee" in public. The smell, despite the small contingent, is so-so)))

[Lexus]

Our "liberal" public has a need to "pee" in public.

Darling, despite the small contingent, is so-so

Naturally, your "large contingent", which "power" knows a lot about "aromas and tastes".

[Gardamir]

The people are already buzzing, they want to eat, but, to their treasury .. that is, to the state, only takes friends, it became dangerous to drag out with self-isolation

Something familiar

The tops cannot control in the old way - the inability of the ruling class to maintain its dominance unchanged.
The lower classes do not want to live in the old way - a sharp aggravation above the ordinary need and calamities of the oppressed classes and their desire to change their lives for the better.
A significant increase in the activity of the masses, attracted, both by the whole situation of the crisis, and by the "tops" themselves, to an independent historical performance.

[alone]

Quote: Freemason

. First, we started to defeat the epidemic. It disappears - more growth in infected per day is only in the USA.

rightly said .. It is unlikely that this infection will fall behind so quickly

Quote: Freemason

And they’re not in a hurry to allocate new ones,

They don’t even think ... really few people saw this help

Quote: Freemason

the population will soon have nothing to pay taxes.

If things go like this, people will have no money left for food, not like taxes

Quote: Freemason

worthy of their "contribution" to the development of the country, and this, of course, cannot be allowed

Well, it’s by itself ...

[210ox]

In the Krasnodar Territory, tax collection in April decreased by 91%

[cradle]

Well, it began: Sentry, the butterflies ended in the country ... but did not end last week, 5 lards were chopped.

[Overlock]

Quote: Freemason

There are two options

we are not conquering the epidemic, if only because from April 15 restrictive measures, but the growth of disease is only growing

[basmach]

Well, there are options. The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: basmach

The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots

Well, in general, a full quarantine is possible, with the issuance of rations in style - these are half a kilo of bread, half a kilo of potatoes, 50 grams of butter and 20 grams of sugar per day, you will not be overweight but you will not die either. But overall, yes. An epidemic or famine is easier for our government than to take care of the inhabitants.

[basmach]

And with quarantine as in the joke about the elephant. He will eat, but who will give him.

[Svarog]

Quote: basmach

Well, there are options. The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.

Shpakovsky invented a gun to suppress riots .. in a previous article he described, with such a gun, the president is not afraid of riots

[Zdishek]

What is the epidemic ???? Stop carrying heresy)))

[xvot]

yes here ..sty group of 8-9 went to work on the sofa and let's dance around the topic and moderators do not care

[Lannan Shi]

It is clear that everyone is tired of living in 4 walls, many will be happy to accept a return to their usual life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed both at protecting the health and life of ordinary Russians and at preventing a decrease in the standard of living in the country.

People are not tired of sitting at home. People can no longer sit at home. More than a month has passed. We have already eaten the last sn, there is no new one and is not expected. If you observe a map of self-isolation (I look a couple of times a day), then you can see that people east of the Volga have already scored all the signs of the authorities. It is necessary to eat at least a couple of times a day, and not to postpone this event on the day of canceling the inventions of power. But the logic of the very authorities has very big problems.

[alone]

Quote: Lannan Shi

But the logic of the very authorities has very big problems.

Power and logic-things are incompatible

[Lexus]

Power and logic-things are incompatible

It would be, at least, naive from crooks who live by "concepts" to wait for logic.

[alone]

Quote: lexus

it is naive to wait for logic from swindlers living by "concepts".

Alexey, they have one logic - to grab everything, preferably quickly and a lot

[user1212]

Quote: lexus

It would be, at least, naive from crooks who live by "concepts" to wait for logic.

So no one expects logic from you :)))

[PROVINCIAL]

I disagree))) Our power and logic are quite compatible, if you know how to think logically, analyze and "see".

[PROVINCIAL]

Statistics is a terrible weapon in the right hands. Any sane person can link the increase in the number of identified cases with an increase in the number of tests performed for coronavirus. Fewer people can link the increase in patients with increased funding for hospitals (150000-200000 rubles for the treatment of 1 patient). And the vast majority links everything that happens with the training to introduce total control. I express only my opinion.

[Titus_2]

the fact that they will remove the same doubt from me, that there is no doubt about the statistics being defamed (my brother works at the Federal State Statistics Service). The bottom line is that they drove everyone into apartments and celebrities broadcast to us from their palaces ... tolerant yet, but the main injustice is that there are not essential shops, but apparently the deputy or someone else is the boss and he works. One other third and critical mass is accumulating .... I don’t know what will happen by autumn, but it’s not sweet for me self-employed with 2 children.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Titus_2

but it’s not sweet for me self-employed with 2 children.

Yeah, I understand you as a self-employed. Only I have three and a mortgage. Now there seems to be work, but by the fall will be consequences that are now not visible. And we’ll eat horseradish without radish.

[Titus_2]

Personally, I’ll cross my fingers ... because all your comments are in tune with me .... God will let us break through, but here is the current situation with the self-employed and other results of our irremovable actions.

[Tagan]

The author with statistics seems to have some misunderstandings. There is such a thing as growth rates (the ratio of infected per day to the total number of infected). Therefore, the absolute daily increase in itself does not mean much. In addition, the number of tests increases, which naturally leads to an increase in the detected cases.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Tagan

The author with statistics seems to have some misunderstandings.

Oh, not only with statistics, if it’s incomprehensible at all, and not a duty sketch.

[Bobrick]

Even with this approach:
Firstly, the number of requested beds for treatment also increases with the number of tests (what used to be bronchitis or a mild form of pneumonia will turn out to be a coronavirus, which will require a completely different treatment, other specialists, isolation, longer observation, and most importantly, additional load so the overloaded part of the healthcare system).

Secondly, even a decrease in the growth rate of spread does not guarantee that the collapse of the medical system does not occur due to the excess of the number of patients over the number of beds and the capabilities of doctors (much less people recover every day than they get sick).

Thirdly, doctors are overloaded with work right now, and therefore there may soon come a moment of a sharp drop in their productivity in the current situation (nerves and dreams at work do not add productivity).

One can talk about the concept of growth rate in this situation if the capabilities of medical institutions also grow at least at a comparable pace for a long time.
However, they are just limited in growth and all the simple ways to increase the possibilities of honey. institutions have already been exhausted, but complex ones (building new hospitals, etc.) give very controversial results, if at all.

[knn54]

Said at the discretion of the governors.
Most likely, the peak in Moscow may even take place if they are not brought from the region. Russia is large and the pandemic is (according to Golikova) in the country with a delay of up to two weeks.
Therefore, the output is phased.

[svp67]

really going to cancel, how does this fit in with the daily published statistics on coronavirus?

They will cancel, but not all and not immediately. These measures were introduced not so that we would all not get sick, alas, but this "version" of the coronavirus settled with us forever, but in order to stretch the epidemic in time, easing the burden on the medical care system. So we need to learn to coexist with this danger.
In the meantime ...

[samarin1969]

Is this really Russia? ... During the entire period of quarantine, I have not seen these characters either on the car or at the place of residence. "Quarantine" was observed by law-abiding people for the first 2-3 days. Now there is a continuous May "picnic". Even shop assistants stopped wearing masks and gloves. I see a lot of children, both on the street and on video cameras in the center of cities. There is no quarantine !!!
Why is this all happening? In my opinion, the police simply ignored this event. When the remnants of the doctors "fail," then the "fur animal" will begin. The Russian Federation will face a grim shame in organizing the fight against the virus.

[svp67]

Quote: samarin1969

Masks and gloves have ceased to be worn even by shop assistants.

I don’t know, I don’t know. The police are now "fierce" in compliance with the "mask regime", they are not allowed into shops without them, into transport.

[samarin1969]

[quote = svp67] [quote = samarin1969] Even sellers in shops stopped wearing masks and gloves. [/ quote]
I don’t know, I don’t know we have here the police are now "fierce" in compliance with the "mask regime", they are not allowed into shops without them, into transport. [/ Quote
In the vicinity of Simferopol, Bakhchisarai, I have not seen any "fierce" in a month.

[svp67]

Quote: samarin1969

In the vicinity of Simferopol, Bakhchisarai, I have not seen any "fierce" in a month.

Yes, we have the same thing it has recently begun, they are checking up, they are fined ...
You have generally fertile places there in terms of fighting any infection ... God forbid, that all this would somehow "settle down", but faster.

[210ox]

It seems that the oversight bodies themselves spat. The colleagues went to Manych, and this is a neighboring region. They stopped, asked where, honestly admitted to fishing and missed with Krasnodar numbers.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: 210ox

admitted fishing

In the Rostov region, it seems that the spawning ban is now in effect, no? Poachers or what?

[210ox]

Probably they can be called that ..

[opus]

Quote: samarin1969

Is this for sure Russia? ... For all the time of quarantine neither in the car, nor in the place of residence, I have not seen these characters.

that's for sure she ("mother")

and in the photo svp67 (Sergey) - Italians

[svp67]

Quote: opus

and in the photo svp67 (Sergey) - Italians

If it’s, this is a military patrol on the streets of Yekaterinburg

[opus]

Quote: svp67

This is a military patrol on the streets of Yekaterinburg

military*?
and what is the "street"?
Photo from
https://www.e1.ru/ это понятно.
E1 itself writes

How do they patrol the streets of Yekaterinburg and monitor those who returned from abroad? Police explain

https://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-69071683.html
And what can a military do to a civilian without an emergency regime?
Will be sent and civil will be right.
However, I now recognize in Yburg.

[svp67]

Quote: opus

military*?
and what is the "street"?

Lenin Avenue near the monument to Marshal Zhukov at the main entrance to the headquarters of the Central Military District

Quote: opus

And what can a military do to a civilian without an emergency regime?

What should he do? They carry out patrol service in the department. You’re talking about the seizure of power by the military, fan the theory ...

Quote: opus

However, I now recognize in Yburg.

It’s immediately clear that you are from far away ... like we have here the city has not been called so for a long time

[opus]

Quote: svp67

. You’re talking about the seizure of power by the military, fan the theory ...

Well, what does this have to do with it?
You write (I will remind)

Quote: svp67

so that we need to learn to coexist with this danger.
In the meantime ...

what for now?
why this photo with the military controlling Yekaterinburg?
For this?

Quote: svp67

in order to stretch the epidemic in time easing the load on the medical system

Quote: svp67

It’s immediately clear that you are from far away ... like we have here the city has not been called so for a long time

I'm from far away, yes. I always call him that. And I hold my hand on the pulse of the city ... and sympathize with the inhabitants, now

"hear what I'll say"

[svp67]

Quote: opus

why this photo with the military controlling Yekaterinburg?

This is today, the patrols and those in masks, and the photo is beautiful, "Review ..." is still military ...

Quote: opus

And I hold my hand on the pulse of the city ... and sympathize with the inhabitants, now

And in what sympathy? The fact that such a worthless manager was imposed on the city? Here I completely agree with you. We have never had such ineffective management in our city before. This person is a big fan of "granite tiles" ... the city disfigured, for the second year he cannot fulfill the amount of work that he himself appointed ...
Need a photo of the cops on the streets ... please

[opus]

Quote: svp67

This is today, patrols and those in masks, and the photo is beautiful ...

in nature / air is a meaningless exercise. Nadys politsaev taught: ride a horse in a park.
the masks are raw, they haven’t been removed since the divorce.
/ yes there was Lenin Avenue on the photo, "Tochka" confirmed

Quote: svp67

The fact that the city was imposed on such a worthless

Well, I sympathize.
we are also imposed a booby with a watch for $ 70000 and a shovel

[svp67]

Quote: opus

in nature / air is a meaningless exercise. Nadys politsaev taught: ride a horse in a park.

Commander's Call ...

[opus]

Quote: svp67

Commander's Call ...

grandfathers? or the order bearer, our admirer Roman Fedorovich von Ungern-Sternberg?
both are not competent
if you don’t listen to the mustache

These are his principles. When he is deeply immersed in a topic, he collects expert information and in many ways becomes an expert. If you remember, at one of the meetings he was just joking that we have now the whole country has turned into virologists. So I have no doubt that he is on the way of becoming as a virologist, -

The requirement is a circus, as here:
the mayor without a mask is a journalist in a mask, but only on the mouth, on the snobel

[svp67]

Quote: opus

grandfathers?

Well, to someone he’s obviously a grandfather ... nevertheless, he’s 56

Quote: opus

or order bearer

Not without it

Quote: opus

our admirer Roman Fedorovich von Ungern-Sternberg?

No, Colonel General Aleksandr Pavlovich Lapin

[Doliva63]

"... in Jöburg.
It is immediately clear that you are from far away ... somehow we have not called the city that way for a long time "
And what is the name of our city now?

[svp67]

Quote: Doliva63

And what is the name of our city now?

Actually, Yekaterinburg, but young people more often use "Ekat"

[Doliva63]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Doliva63

And what is the name of our city now?

Actually, Yekaterinburg, but young people more often use "Ekat"

I lagged behind life, I call everything Yoburg

[Boris Razor]

Quote: samarin1969

Masks and gloves have ceased to be worn even by shop assistants

Yeah, an interesting picture. I smoke on the balcony, I watch almost every day people in suits of protection coming out of the same neighboring house. Now with an ambulance, then just in a civilian wheelbarrow, but with some cases (paid test, maybe they did it). Became interesting. He opened the map of the coronovirus at the addresses. In the area I have several dozens of infections, it turns out, and all (except for one - which is somewhere on the outskirts) in 4 houses standing around one store. The area is large and clean everywhere - the infection is only in 4 houses around this store. At my house, for example, the nearest store is another, on my side of the street, and those 4 have the same one. Moreover, this store is one of our well-known chains, which, for some reason, unlike all the others, didn’t bother to put protective screens for their sellers, or to issue normal protective equipment. It seems to me, now I know how the infection spreads and why she does not care about self-isolation.

[alien]

Quote: svp67

In the meantime ...

In the meantime, doctors are struggling to solve this problem:

How did the Ural Triazavirin prove itself in the fight against coronavirus?
“<…> Governor of the Sverdlovsk Region Yevgeny Kuyvashev said on Instagram that 150 thousand packages of the drug Triazavirin were purchased in the region to treat patients with coronavirus.

“From the very beginning of the spread of a new coronavirus infection around the world, we considered it appropriate to use Triazavirin,” said Oblgazete, Chairman of the Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the Institute of Organic Synthesis, Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Valery Charushin. “Triazavirin” acts on fragments of viral proteins that are considered conservative - they do not change during the mutation and are present in many strains of RNA viruses. This drug has a wide spectrum of action and affects not only strains of influenza viruses, but even tick-borne encephalitis virus. This fact suggests that it can be effective against the new coronavirus. ”
https://www.oblgazeta.ru/society/health-care/108887/

Russian scientists began to apply a new treatment method COVID-19
“Scientists of the Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Military Medical Academy, the Center for Advanced Radiation Medical and Biological Technologies and the Institute of Biomedical Problems have received permission to use heated helium-oxygen mixtures for the treatment of patients with coronavirus infection.
<…> Inhalation with a heated helium-oxygen mixture improves ventilation, gas exchange and microcirculation in the lungs. According to repeated PCR studies, the mixtures contribute to the elimination (excretion) of the virus from the body. The mixture uses an inert gas, helium and oxygen. Helium brings oxygen and drugs that otherwise cannot be delivered to the lesion, to the alveoli well. The combined use of mixtures with drugs increases the effectiveness of the latter by orders of magnitude.
<…> Recommendations for the use of heated helium-oxygen mixtures have been introduced April 24, in the recommendation of the Ministry of Health of Russia. "
https://rg.ru/2020/04/28/reg-urfo/rossijskie-uchenye-nachali-primeniat-novyj-metod-lecheniia-covid-19.html

[awdrgy]

Some are afraid, others are doing (Not funny for something about the war)

[Boris Razor]

What statistics, dear author? Our head of Rospotrebnadzor on April 28 said that according to the results of studies on antibodies, 20% of doctors have already been ill and have immunity. According to Rosstat, there are 565 thousand doctors in Russia. It turns out that only doctors infected with us on April 28th had more than 110 thousand, and according to official statistics - on April 28th there were only 93 thousand infections. Such statistics can be thrown into the trash.
And in early April, the same head of Rospotrebnadzor stated about 3% of those who were ill in Russia, and this, for a minute, is more than 4 million people!
Everyone who does tests for antibodies and finds immunity (the same Butchers), tell curious stories about how they got sick with something similar to coronavirus in the winter.
It seems that in December-January, our valiant health care did not even notice this coronavirus, when several million of our compatriots suddenly fell ill with it. And when the topic became fashionable there, beyond the hill, already with several thousand infections, our government closed people home and collapsed the country's economy.
That's where the oddities begin!

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris Razor

Such statistics can be thrown into the trash.

Without a doubt!
The other day, Sobyanin said that in Moscow, 2% of the population is sick, in absolute numbers it is within 250 000 people! In Moscow! And according to statistics, throughout Russia, the WHO serves
The number of patients 120 000 person! All around Russia!
How can this be?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Silvestr

Without a doubt!
The other day, Sobyanin said that in Moscow, 2% of the population is sick, in absolute numbers it is within 250 000 people! In Moscow! And according to statistics, throughout Russia, the WHO serves
The number of patients 120 000 person! All around Russia!
How can this be?

Of course maybe
Moscow has the highest concentration of both foreigners and people constantly traveling abroad

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

Of course maybe
Moscow has the highest concentration of both foreigners and people constantly traveling abroad

And this! In the column of cases, the address is not indicated.

[Krasnodar]

Do you mean what data is submitted to WHO? )))
In fact, there is a big booth. More precisely, even larger Regions ask for money and, according to unconfirmed rumors, attribute the number of patients and write off some deaths on COVID - supposedly for the sake of financing. But. Reports to WHO - judging by the declared successes in the treatment of cancer patients in Russia and the cases that, until recently, I have been treated with - subjectively - I would not really believe the official statistics submitted by the Ministry of Health and Russian doctors

[dzvero]

December is nothing ... The French analyzed last year’s samples of patients (12) with pneumonia. A positive result was one already in September. That's where the oddities begin ... I can’t give a link - they broadcast it on the radio, but I didn’t search the sites.
By the way, about the tests. The Germans say that flu can give a positive result.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: dzvero

The Germans say that flu can give a positive result.

I read the reviews that passed the test. At one journalist, she and the whole family got the flu, and a negative test for antibodies to coronavirus. I think that if the same antibodies were produced from influenza and coronavirus, then the population would not have had such acute questions with immunity. In the USA, out of the blue, this year the flu was rampant - in general, according to the logic of German scientists, everything should be with antibodies, but in reality we see the opposite situation there.

[dzvero]

The problem here is rather that the test can respond to antibodies against the influenza virus - a false positive result. This happens, although manufacturers try to eliminate non-specificity when developing a test.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: dzvero

may respond to antibodies against influenza virus

So I tell you - in the USA these tests appeared and began to be applied much earlier than ours. They conducted these studies in early April. And according to the results of research - they do not have such massive immunity (albeit false positive) as ours, despite the terrible flu epidemic this year.
And for those who were surprised at the beginning of the "pandemic" why Russia, bordering on China, has fewer infected than countries with no borders in common - in my opinion, there was an answer.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Boris Razor

I think that if the same antibodies were produced from influenza and coronavirus, then the population would not have had such acute questions with immunity.

Even the flu for each strain produces its own antibodies. This year he was ill, developed immunity, and the next year the virus mutated and all immunity was covered. Develop new antibodies.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Piramidon

Even the flu

Above answered. This is just another reason to doubt that anti-flu antibodies are difficult to weed out in the test under discussion.

[cradle]

and who said that 28 thousand infected on April 110? Why is the word ill only read as INFECTED? I myself had the flu in January on a shift like never before. I usually stand on my feet. But this time it was long and hard ... I even had to take a half day rest .... I lay down, it became easier, but then I got out for another 10 days. I had to go to work, but I walked like a ghost ... And there were a lot of these ... I think just 20% already had this garbage before March. Masks are nonsense for the virus (unless the snot is not sprayed and it is ineffective) and, moreover, the ventilation of the lungs is disturbed and the chances of getting sick are only higher.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: besik

and who said that 28 thousand infected on April 110? Why is the word ill only read as INFECTED?

Official statistics, it says in black and white: infections on a certain date. Of these, it recovered / died. How can you get sick without getting infected?

[cradle]

my young friend may have been ill several times more ... because, most likely, it was so sluggish enough with the growth rate of the sick and with mortality (especially if they get infected the second time). This is what I wanted to convey to your brain.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: besik

I wanted to convey

Do not rush to carry. You absolutely did not understand what you are responding to.

[Oleg Zorin]

If millions were ill in December-January, then a / t in the population would be found without exception. So you are mistaken.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

If millions were ill in December-January, then a / t in the population would be found without exception

3 percent then, 20 percent now. Everything is logical. What does your "polls" have to do with it?

[cradle]

Well, why without exception, if millions have been ill, and not tens of millions who have been ill? And a / t is very much detected .... officially 20% of such doctors. How do you like this info? Or is this not a reason to think?

[rocket757]

"great thing" statistics! One thing is clear, that nothing is clear!
So it will be until the very end, if only we all do not come to an end.
Now there is still dust for nothing, it makes no sense.

[cradle]

I beg you! ... with a mortality rate of less than 1% ... it's not Eboll ... That's when I .... was worried. I personally knew people who worked at the enterprise and who died of pneumonia in the winter of 2018-2019 and NOBODY fought in a tantrum about a pandemic ... Where is the logic?

[rocket757]

The logic is that DUST, panic, chatting for nothing is NOT NECESSARY!
Did you really see in my written appeal to go to the cemetery and dig, dig, in advance?
PS By the way, the minimum mortality from the virus is far from everywhere, BUT, compared to the same indicator from other diseases, this is really about nothing! But still people are AFRAID and it will have to go through! Fear + informational "bombing" from all sorts of different, it is now a serious factor in
state policy. This will also have to go through.

[Tagan]

Quote: Svarog

They will definitely prolong, as doctors say, we didn’t even reach the plateau and are still ahead. More and more I become a supporter of conspiracy theology. Gates and the team really want to leave 1 billion on the ground .. soon everyone will be forced to get vaccinated, and then the vaccinated will begin to die from another incomprehensible virus. Those who remain will introduce chips and make them work for cryptocurrency.

This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))

[Svarog]

Quote: Tagan

This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))

German Gref will vaccinate you .. but most likely you already have a chip inserted

[Oleg Zorin]

Svarog, you constantly and voluntarily carry your chip with you. The smartphone is called

[Varyag71]

In normal times, this one would be put directly to the wall

[Crystal of Truth]

A disease is a disease and an economy is an economy .. We must look for a balance ..
And then for a bag of food they will kill more than a virus

[Titus_2]

Well, in Moscow there was already a place for a father and son to be beaten (in the Dynamo area) and the products were taken by residents of friendly republics, although they were mostly when working in housing and communal services.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Titus_2

in Moscow has already taken place

Beaten - that's what. The other day the news was that some kind of animal stabbed with a man’s knife for a bag of groceries in Moscow.

[Tagan]

Quote: lexus

First, we started to defeat the epidemic.

The "scandal", apparently, decided that it was high time for the pandemic to "defeat itself."

Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home? If you don’t even remember him in at least one comment, you won’t even be able to eat)))

[New Year day]

Quote: Tagan

Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home?

Why a portrait? Turn on the drawer and watch!

[English tarantas]

It fulfills the norm.

[Dikson]

It's just Italy, Spain, and possibly Turkey .. And other countries are opening borders for tourists soon .. - we will sit in "self-isolation", and some will go to warm lands and go to their houses away from sin, until here we have rushed ...

[Tagan]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Tagan

This is how Bill Gates will vaccinate you. We will somehow manage with our vaccines)))

German Gref will vaccinate you .. but most likely you already have a chip inserted

Do not shift from patient to healthy. Better look, as if you hadn’t inserted something inadvertently while you are fantasizing

[Poor]

you don’t need to insert anything, we ourselves bought smartphones with SIM cards according to passports, we carry out calculations by bank transfer, got snls, etc. etc., digitalization has long and confidently entered our lives. The movement of opponents of vaccination also exists for more than one year, but they will impose restrictions on the provision of various services to those without vaccination, and we will lower our pants ourselves and go for an injection “They are shooting a horse, are they not right?” Hores McCoy

[New Year day]

A few thoughts out loud:
1. There is an increase in morbidity and mortality
2. Against this background, the issue of easing restrictions is being discussed
3. After a lull, agitation for amendments / new constitution began again in the box.
The surge in incidence is due to the beginning of access control in Moscow and the celebration of Easter.
But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Silvestr

But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?

Well, the plan was like that, the vote was on April 22nd, and then the emergency situations, so as not to go out, did not protest ..., hence the rush.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Stroporez

Well, the plan was like that, the vote was on April 22nd, and then the emergency situations, so as not to go out, did not protest ..., hence the rush

It turns out that they were the only ones who let down their "optimized" healthcare, the strength of which, alas, was not enough even to tolerate "self-isolation" until April 22.
If today they try, without giving a damn about everything, to vote for "zeroing", then it is likely that a real tryntsetz awaits us further, after the onset of a lot for "zeroing" no one can vote at all. This explanation for haste seems logical to me.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Silvestr

Easter celebration.

Do not drag in Easter. On Easter, there were almost as many people in churches as on other days of "self-isolation" - ministers and 0.5% of parishioners. So it was before Easter from the very beginning of "self-isolation", and it is so now - so it is not logical to single out the "maximums" here. Those who decided to walk in spite of "self-isolation" - walk every Sunday, who decided to stay at home - sat on Easter too.

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris Razor

Do not drag in Easter. On Easter, there were almost as many people in churches as on other days of "self-isolation" - ministers and 0.5% of parishioners.

all visited all the temples at the same time and went to all the families that celebrated?

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Silvestr

all visited all the temples at the same time and went to all the families that celebrated?

Not all, but those who went there already and continue to walk today. The service is held not only on Easter - but every Sunday and even more often. And if the believers still expressed some indignation about the request not to attend the services, then no one would have a walk around their relatives - in their thoughts.
In my neighborhood in shops with booze and in front of them there is daily pandemonium, there is no talk of any social distance there. For some reason, no one cares about this, no one writes about it, they are not looking for distributors of infection here. There, half of the eternally uzhrannyh "on self-isolation" - without any masks, are drilling, sprinkling their saliva.
By May 1, everyone had gone to their dachas (in the Moscow region, the traffic jams stood as in normal years) and went to visit each other with their dacha parties - to drink and fry meat. Also silence about this. And for some reason the "public" is mainly concerned about the Temples, which were almost empty on Easter. I find it strange to read such things from thinking people.

[New Year day]

Quote: Boris Razor

And for some reason the "public" is mainly concerned about the Temples, which were almost empty on Easter.

People celebrate Easter not only in temples

Quote: Boris Razor

it’s strange to read such things from thinking people.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Silvestr

People celebrate Easter not only in temples

I answered you about "not only in the Temples." Believers, for the most part, are disciplined people, and after hearing the Patriarch's appeal, you can be sure that they began to observe isolation, on average, much stricter than most other people. The only snag there was in the ban on visiting the Temples - it was difficult for people to accept.

[cradle]

and here, you are absolutely right.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silvestr

People celebrate Easter not only in temples

By the way, Victory Day is not in the parade either. And then everyone ran into a parade, saying that without it there can be no holiday. You can celebrate in self-isolation and even with friends

[cradle]

envy silently in Uzbekistan that we will finally be completely sovereign

[APASUS]

For some reason, we are faced with the same fact.
If the crisis began in the United States, then they have a 3% drop, and we have 12. So it turns out that the pandemic is not over yet, the numbers are only going up, and the time has come to lift the restrictions. I think we will catch up and surpass America. In our country only officials are good at reporting

[bubalik]

the pandemic is not over yet, the numbers are only going up, and it's time to remove the restrictions.

,,, and this is the question, the restrictions are removed, and why are the stadiums and exhibition complexes being re-equipped to receive patients? ,,, will be even worse?

[cradle]

the clue lies in the mass and accuracy of testing. Well, just in case, I remind you.

[Tagan]

Quote: Silvestr

A few thoughts out loud:
1. There is an increase in morbidity and mortality
2. Against this background, the issue of easing restrictions is being discussed
3. After a lull, agitation for amendments / new constitution began again in the box.
The surge in incidence is due to the beginning of access control in Moscow and the celebration of Easter.
But aren't the restrictions removed to vote for Putin’s constitution?

What are you worried about? Nobody drags you by force. And the Constitution will be accepted without you personally.

[cradle]

how can a citizen of Uzbekistan be dragged by force to a plebiscite in the Russian Federation? We ourselves will figure out what we need

[Zdishek]

Guys! Plus, who did not sit at home a day))

[_Sergei_]

You young man suicide

[Zdishek]

After 30 years of the army and 10 years of retirement, I'm young)))

[_Sergei_]

I'm older anyway

[petrol cutter]

I confirm. We (JSC SZ "More") have extended the selective quarantine until the 12th of this month.
Further, I have no information. We will find out the eleventh. What-how much / ball hockey ...
True, in any case, I will go on the eighteenth on a planned vacation for two weeks (and my friend Kolya. An old colleague of mine since the days "before" Pella ").

[samarin1969]

Good evening, fellow countryman. Well, if they pay "vacation pay", then it's not a bad way out.

[Tagan]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Tagan

Do you happen to have a portrait of GDP not hanging at home?

Why a portrait? Turn on the drawer and watch!

Aw, don’t tell! A static picture is more reliable. He does not ask for electricity again. I went to VO, and not taking my eyes off the picture in his comments left and right, on the topic and without)))

[Old26]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: basmach

The choice in power is not great. There are either hunger riots or a real epidemic followed by riots

Well, in general, a full quarantine is possible, with the issuance of rations in style - these are half a kilo of bread, half a kilo of potatoes, 50 grams of butter and 20 grams of sugar per day, you will not be overweight but you will not die either. But overall, yes. An epidemic or famine is easier for our government than to take care of the inhabitants.

In our region, the first stage of distribution of rations has already passed. The first stage included lonely people with the lowest pensions, the second stage - also already begun - is veterans. The third - people over 1 years of age (if possible). The weight of the box is about 65 kg. Oil, cereals. canned food, sugar.
The "Free counter" campaign has been going on for the third week in about 60 retail outlets in the city. Over 60 outlets offer free products to people in difficult situations. The action was offered by the entrepreneurs themselves. Products include cereals, tea, sugar, canned food, cookies and some other sweets

But this, you understand, does not solve all the problems. We have three in our family - all three worked, plus my wife and I, some, no, but a pension. Now the daughter is unemployed (the language school closed), the wife was fired after receiving the group (after the operation). In fact - two pensions and my salary. And in fact, revenues have halved. While we are holding on, but how will it be next - HZ

[gvozdan]

Whoever doesn’t like can sit further at home

[Pvi1206]

After all, the statistics (if you trust her) is such that

there is truth and there is a lie ... and there are statistics ...

[codetalker]

Surely, in those regions where the situation is stable, they will begin to weaken the regime. And then more than once. Moscow will sit still for a long time, as I think.

[Tagan]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Golovan Jack

all closed

Closing fake. Yesterday I bought a windbreaker in a clothing store. The door is closed, but there is a note with a phone number on the door. You call - they let you go to the store. They launch one at a time, the people inside are not crowding. My son bought printer paper. I went in, two meters from the entrance a partition made of tape. He asked for paper, he was taken out and showed samples. He chose and bought. Merchants get out as they can. You need to live.

This is called an online order))) I confirm

[U-58]

So let's be honest and frank.
Let me get bored while sitting at home. Well, give it to me!
For we were sitting on the "kirintin according to the prehistoric charter" from March 31 to April 5.
And then we went to work. 46% of the total.
For 6 days of rest, I put my thoughts in order, read a book, just rested.
But I didn’t miss the word at all.
There is money, because the needs are moderate for a long time, and I don’t live the last ruble.
And so, some homes like missed (note, they missed for money), while others at work for a little more money.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

There is money, for needs have long been moderate

Not all of us old people are obsolete - they don’t get enough for the sins of youth, someone for small children, someone for a mortgage.

[U-58]

The sins of youth and mortgages are the essence of unreasonable needs.
Well, if the children cannot provide for themselves, then they definitely went to you.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

if the children cannot provide for themselves, then they definitely went to you.

Not excluded. At 2 years old, I also did not know how to earn money.

Quote: U-58

mortgage is the essence of unreasonable needs

I think you are too nobody to tell people what their needs should be recognized immoderate. If you are ready to work / sit without work for a bowl of porridge - then this is your personal business, no more.

[U-58]

Of course, I'm too nobody. Just today, I have 40 years of work experience.
Hundreds of unused days off because we work not only for 10-12 hours a day, but also on Saturdays and Sundays.
At the same time, I never took a loan.
Neither the people, nor the state, nor the banks.
For stretch the legs of clothing.
One example: 18 years ago I wanted a computer. He saved up money for three years and bought it. Everything at once. Without loans and credit moans ...
And to those who give everything at once .... well, don’t whine about loans and lack of funds.
You already have everything. So rejoice!))))))

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

I have 40 years of work experience

Chubais has more. What did you want to say with this number?

Quote: U-58

don't whine

So you whine here exclusively - on the sofa you would all roll.

Quote: U-58

18 years old I wanted a computer

So many years, but I haven’t gained my mind. A mortgage is taken (sensible people) when there is such an initial payment that the payment on a mortgage is less than the cost of renting an apartment. If it would have been easier for everyone without a computer, then without an apartment a young family - no matter how. And it makes no difference whether you pay a rent or a mortgage, anyway - take it out and put it down.

Quote: U-58

Of course I'm too nobody

That is how

[U-58]

I agree . To a young family - nothing.
Therefore, he gave his son everything that had been accumulated over 20 years, so that he would not interfere in the mortgage.
Living without debt is, IMHO, a good tradition

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

gave to his son everything that has been accumulated over 20 years

If you only copied 3 years on a laptop, I can imagine how much you gave to your son (how many apartments will you buy for 7 computers?). Did he buy a tent with this money?

[U-58]

He bought a kopeck piece in a panel house.
On the computer, I saved up, and did not put off everything to the penny.
I’m a normal person who never lived on credit.
And the son taught the same

[asdfg.msg]

Quote: U-58

On the computer, I saved up, and did not put off everything to the penny.

Those. your son took from you what you saved, putting aside everything to the penny, for 20 years?
Not everyone in this world has lost conscience. Some, imagine, hope for themselves and even help parents.
When my father delayed retirement after the pension reform, I persuaded him to quit for a year. As a result, we bought a plot in the south, built a house. Nature, the sea is relatively far away - grace. And I can certainly provide them with monthly income of at least several pensions.
And this is the least that I can do for my parents, who bent in the 90s in order to raise us, our children.
But here, you know, to each his own. There are, I do not argue, and drones.

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

I'm a normal person

And for some, imagine two or three children. Some single mothers were raised. Some do not live in the provinces, but in Mokva, where you can’t add up the price of an apartment. Some children, as the man above rightly wrote, are not going to live off their parents. Etc.
But you are normal - otherwise they are all kind of abnormal. Let, they say, do not whine.
Already takes horror from the redneck and limited thinking of some of our fellow citizens.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Boris Razor

Already takes horror from the redneck and limited thinking of some of our fellow citizens

Nooo, my friend ... horror takes just from the breadth of thinking of "some fellow citizens."

You look - no one, nothing, and no way to call. But - there too - to speak for everyone climbs, straight rushing, stop the vegetable.

And they asked me, as an example, if I want it to speak for me? That's it ... buddy

[Boris Razor]

Do you think anyone is interested in communicating with bots? Well good luck.
Even the local communist sect conducts much more meaningful dialogues than you.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Boris Razor

Do you think someone is interested in communicating with bots?

No. I’m not interested in "communicating" with you.

Quote: Boris Razor

Well good luck

Mutually

[edasko]

Hi Golovan. Can you tell me who deleted your comment in this thread above, where you wrote that the helm of our state is full of "all trash"? For example, I cannot delete my comment of a day ago. So the moderator has deleted it. But there was no swearing, no obvious insults .. How so? Did someone ask him?

[U-58]

This is the trolling that you did from idleness.
Is there courage in the world, everyone decides for himself ..

[Boris Razor]

Quote: U-58

This is already trolling.

In no way. This is the truth of life. I hope that our dialogue will not go to waste.

[cniza]

primarily those who are engaged in private enterprise.

This is a big problem when he gets up, and for many he is already standing, the question is how and how to live, you need to look for options for possible work for people.

[Esoteric]

But I'm wondering. Our company does not work, but it is the real sector of the economy. All in white. No profit, no money. They will not pay anything, but when asked why, they will send to the Emperor to ask him a question. How, excuse me, to pay for housing and communal services, a loan that was taken for the treatment of a sick mother, in our "free" medicine? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Throughout the life of work in an enterprise that worked only "in white", all taxes were always paid. And now, when many people are "tryndets" where is the help from the state?

[Boris Razor]

Quote: Ezoterik

No profit - no money.

I'll tell you more, your customers have the same parsley. When the restrictions are lifted and your enterprise seems to open up, there may be no one to buy its products. That's when the fun starts. Direct investments in production would have been saved here (so that your enterprise has money for production, and its customers - for the purchase of products) - according to Glazyev, but here they prefer to give money to currency speculators (there are more "profits") - according to Nabiulina. So the most fun is yet to come

[Hyperborean]

Questions, attempts at analysis ..., understanding .. Leave it all .. To make predictions about the actions of the authorities is utopia .. And to try to understand and analyze them is beyond reason. So calmly, we are waiting for May 12, we are looking at what will happen next.

[Altona]

Quote: Hyperborean

Questions, attempts at analysis ..., reflection .. Leave it all ..

-------------------------
This is yes ... Another would be to listen to virologists, to thoroughly and scientifically explain. And then all of them are "Americanists", "Ukrainists", "oilmen", "gunsmiths", "political scientists" and other "experts", hastily reformed into "virologists" who are trying to prove something with diagrams and other casuistry.

[Bshkaus]

See statistics for other countries and make an adjustment for the population of the Russian Federation.
Our daily growth may reach up to 15 thousand per day, a plug of 10-15 thousand. If higher, then a disaster.
Then, the virus came to Russia a month later. In other countries, growth to a plateau lasted a month (March), then another month (April), either a plateau, with a gradual decline, or "saw" with an interval of 6-10 days (eg USA, Ukraine, etc.).
We have been "accelerating" for a month, now the month will be the most "hot" something will become clear only in early June.
So you can relax if we don’t get nonsense like in Belarus.

[Altona]

Quote: Bshkaus

We have been "accelerating" for a month, now the month will be the most "hot" something will become clear only in early June.

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There are no 14 days of incubation period and a number of conditions in your equation.

[Bshkaus]

There are no 14 days of incubation period and a number of conditions in your equation.

And what's the point? In all countries, a pandemic follows certain laws, they are the same constant as the fact that tomorrow the sun rises in the east and sets in the west in the evening. And even if you don’t see it from behind the clouds, this does not mean that the sun did not rise at all that day.

With the virus the same nonsense. Just graphics and nothing personal:
American: note that a "plateau" has formed on the American chart, but it has jumps in the "saw", this is caused by a wave-like increase due to the incubation period, which in the US cannot be brought down for a long time and the disease does not decline.

A completely different picture in Italy, the same "saws" of growth every 5-9 days, but in general, they managed to bring down the spread of the virus, therefore, it turns out to be a slide, and the number of people infected each time declines.

And in Germany, similar to Italy.

And here is how things are in Russia.

The schedule is shifted by a month, and there is no need to graduate from universities to guess that its continuation will be either according to the German-Italian, or (God forbid) American scenario, but how exactly the matter went will be clear only after a month (see the chart) .

and a number of conditions

I agree that in any cyclical mechanism you can insert a "scrap" in the form of artificial statistics, here, as they say, medicine is powerless, but it still does not affect the course of events ...

[Yuri Matyushkov]

Here you’ve washed your head. Look at the fact that you have passed laws, statutes of thought, deeper and don’t be dumb.

[xvot]

[quote = U-58] And now, some homes like missed (note, they missed for money), while others at work for a little more money [/ quot [quote = U-58] and others at work for a little more money. [/ quote]
it’s not a fact that the workers will receive more than the people sitting at home, but the workers do not whine, but in general it is clearly visible who is who in difficult times

[Tagan]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Svarog

You heard that someone carried it because they slapped the virus and brought down the economy, as well as created a mass of unemployed ..

Wait and see. The problem is worldwide, not only in the Russian Federation. And you, the campaign, doesn’t care if only to throw the Russian substance into the state once again.

Ashamed, "Svarog"

He has such a job. There is such a profession - crap. And betray the homeland (if he is a Russian of course)

[Old26]

Quote: codetalker

Surely, in those regions where the situation is stable, they will begin to weaken the regime. And then more than once. Moscow will sit still for a long time, as I think.

There are hardly any stable regions now. I judge by my region. Start 21.03. - 1 person. Then an increase of 1-5 people. Now (the last week - at least 25, maximum 83 people. And as they say - “it's not over yet.” The doctors themselves predict the stabilization and lifting of many bans by the end of June or the beginning of July. If there is no surge ...

[Old26]

Quote: Zdishek

Guys! Plus, who did not sit at home a day))

And who was sitting, minus one?

[Snail N9]

I’m already tired of sitting at home ... and spring on the street, with might and main ....

[petrol cutter]

The situation is as follows.
The state has called people to consciousness.
You will be ill, we will not have time to treat you.
The people tried to show awareness, but when asked asked a couple of uncomfortable questions.

Firstly, and so (in the province) they don’t treat Nicherta! ..
Secondly, what do you want to live on ?!
And we will charge you money! What kind of money?
A- two thousand for a month, and to whom three!
Wow! This is a lot of money!
Grandmas went to people !!! And people began to wonder. Three hundred, four hundred and fifty! ..
What's this?!..
And this, there, calculated / divided by days, get shorter and rejoice!
Did we give you money? Dali. Supported ?! Supported.
Well done! Falcons!
So that children support you in old age.
I’m not speaking for myself. My family is not supposed to support me at all.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Svarog, I'm sorry, but to comment on empty chatter - not in my rules. In hindsight, we are all strong ... and you are so especially. Good luck

100500 he says correctly - WHAT is wrong ?!

[Cheerock]

Quote: Svarog

Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..

Yes Yes. the officials are slobs, and the people are wonderful, disciplined, wears masks, are not going to barbecue, they keep a distance. Half of the population in Covid does not believe in principle, and was not going to and does not intend to observe any rules, and until the relative is in intensive care, she does not think twice.

[lopvlad]

With 100 cases a day, measures were introduced; with more than 10 thousand, can be canceled.

with 100 patients in the regions there were only a few patients (the epidemic was just beginning), now all regions are covered by the coronovirus, and in many of them, for almost a week now, the daily addition of patients has stopped at certain numbers (the regions have reached a plateau). Moreover, the vast majority of asymptomatic patients, more than 60% and units of severe patients.
I think everyone understands that this year there will be no vaccine against coronovirus and the fact that the vast majority of the population of Russia will have to get coronovirus, but at the same time everyone understands that the virus will not disappear either in June or July or even in August. And so you need to get used to living with it it means phasing out the regime of self-isolation, especially since it feeds the spring and summer day all year, and the second wave of the coronovirus pandemic in autumn is the future reality.

[Valeriy007]

We are doomed to get this infection. All this quarantine in order not to flood the hospitals.
Pleasure for a year. Moreover, observing today's level of self-isolation ...

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Svarog

Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved ..

Throwing a substance after the fact is not "pointing", buddy.

Quote: Svarog

organizational conclusions are not made at all

Quote: Proverb

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched

There will be more "organizational conclusions"

Quote: Svarog

but you encourage it

In which place? I just really look at things - everything is impossible to predict ... against the background of the same Italy, Spain and the other USA, we look pretty well.

Quote: Svarog

which means you indirectly take part in hiding problems ..

Ohh ... are you alright? I'm starting to worry about you

Quote: Svarog

thereby become an accomplice

Essss !!! to tears

Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... troll - and even then you really don't know how. Although you already have more than solid experience

Trolling, also boorish, is about your honor, although what does it have to do with it ......... And Svarog wrote everything correctly, as he politely answered your libel.

[Alexey Kurtov]

Wait May 6th! Before the meeting, no assumptions are worthless!

[Yuri Matyushkov]

Yes, something isn’t docking here either this or that invented virus just summed up statistics who spend what and how and how to move in general population control something like that !!!!!

[7,62x54]

The Ministry of Health says it hasn’t reached the plateau, Rospotrebnadzor has already left. Dear Leader, he is on his own mind. Oh and climbers, oh and they roam in their mountains.

[Oleg Zorin]

The first round we conscientiously scammed. The authorities could not take control of all visitors. Profukali and the second round - could not localize the foci and crush them with quarantine. That is why now the authorities are trying to touch the balance between the risk of intensifying the epidemic and the need to open production

[Vitalius Boniwur]

According to the comments, I made a disappointing conclusion that migrant workers in Moscow, that type of refugees in Europe - one fig! They heap and spit on laws with morality! But since times are now tolerant, I will make a reservation that of course not all "guests" behave like this ...

[tolancop]

[quote = Evil543] Something like isolation doesn’t seem to be full of people on the streets, they walk with might and main with children. In Moscow, and then they say why so many are identified. Migrants in general, the law is not written, are grouped on benches. [/ Quot]
Maybe they are walking .... But you can talk about the reasons for this phenomenon .... The conclusion that the management will definitely make: "What disobedient ones !!! ..." ... You see, the people are not the same! They do not want to sit in holes! And the fact that the leadership has already done so much that even though you endure all the saints and people simply have already stopped believing in it, the leadership, this very leadership will not think about it. IT, this leadership, on April 15, and does not even remember .... The day when I WASTEEN FULLY, but did not even find the courage to admit the mistake, but simply blamed everything on the GUVD. Faith from this, of course, increased ... And also a simple example ...
The epidemic (if any) has shown the complete defeat of the health system. Where are the rioters? Yes there, continue to lead !!! And someone believes that after this, people will believe those who smashed the system left and right, getting rid of medical facilities and personnel? That they quickly rebuilt from destroyers to creators ?! I doubt it very much ...
Do you want another example? Today (or yesterday?) "There is no shortage of medical masks and antiseptics in Russia, the remnants of masks in the distribution network are 20 million pieces," said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov. Ria Novosti reported on May 3. "There are 20 million masks in the retail network this morning. Not only you can go to the pharmacy, go to the Internet today, click - there is no shortage of masks at all. I'm not talking about antiseptics, "Manturov quotes the publication, who said this on the air of the Moscow. Kremlin. Putin program on the Russia 1 TV channel. . "
Great, right? There are many masks, it turns out !!! But only until you start counting. In the Moscow region introduced a mask regime. The population of the region is approximately 8 million people. Let's say that only a quarter - 2 million go down the street. stock masks, if you rob the entire country to the inhabitants of Moscow Oblast (residents of the remaining subjects of the Russian Federation will wait a bit) enough for as much as 10 den. URA !!!!!!!
To doctors, nurses and those who are actually fulfilling their DUTY - great respect. And in relation to those who brought to this .... the moderator will not miss.

[tolancop]

I listen, I read.... And I am surprised! Why is everyone stuck on the timing of this quarantine? It will not save you from the virus until a certain part of the people gets sick. The goal of the current “big sit,” IMHO, is to spread out the incidence of illness for as long as possible, so that the remnants of the health care system are not completely overwhelmed by the massive influx of patients. Moreover, deploy new objects for treatment (after their elimination during optimization). And also get time to develop drugs. And there is still hope that the virus will confuse itself in the direction of weakening its harmfulness, infectiousness, etc. Only, IMHO, unfortunately, it’s a waste of effort. The virus may confuse, or maybe not. The beds will also be deployed, but where can we get doctors and other medical staff? There is no place to get new ones, and those that work (honor and praise to them!!!) will not withstand the emergency regime for long. In addition, some will fall out due to the fact that they themselves get sick. ... Incl. I believe that we will sit for a long time... and without much sense...

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: tolancop

to spread out the morbidity rate for as long as possible, so that the remnants of the healthcare system are not completely overwhelmed by the massive influx of patients. Moreover, deploy new objects for treatment (after their elimination during optimization). And also get time to develop drugs.

You are absolutely right, I would also add - study the virus, collect statistics. With construction, not everything is so rosy, there are already hospitals in some places (a fact), there are no medical staff yet, they need to be trained for six years and do not reproduce by budding. There are also positive aspects - 80% are asymptomatic, 15% are moderate and only 5 are severe. Washings from surfaces indicate that infection through touching an object is minimal, unless the patient coughs and someone immediately licks it off. Air-drop main method. Enforcement to wear masks is a necessity. The elderly and chronically ill are sitting at home without options, wearing masks, with minimal contact. There is a strong suspicion that ARVI since the fall of last year is corona, 20 to 40% have antibodies to corona, there is reason to assume so. There is also an assumption that Covid affects blood vessels and capitally, where there is an intensive blood supply (glands, brain, heart muscle), problems begin there depending on the structural features, and a wild drop in performance even after “recovery”. The infection is rare.

Quote: tolancop

And there is still hope that the virus will confuse itself in the direction of weakening its harmfulness, infectiousness, etc. Only, IMHO, unfortunately, it’s a waste of effort. The virus may confuse, or maybe not.

It will confuse, these are the laws of evolution in nature, but we live in an artificial environment and the virus must be “helped” to mutate. It’s just that in nature, with a fatal mutation, the object dies and stops spreading, while a mild mutation survives and spreads. With us humans, we disrupt this process. Therefore, everyone with a severe course should be isolated as far as possible, with quarantine after treatment. But modification with a light flow should not be limited. A crazy thought came to my mind, what if we try to infect a mild form through the mucous membrane of the eye? There is no vaccine yet, and we cannot stop the epidemic. Therefore, it seems logical to partially lift restrictions on people with mild forms and compulsory wearing of masks. Alas, there is nowhere to go...

[edasko]

80% asymptomatic, 15% moderate and only 5 severe

This is true for any flu. I’ll tell you a secret - a lot of people die from the flu here too. And every year, without options.

A crazy thought came to my mind, what if we try to infect a mild form through the mucous membrane of the eye?

It's easy for you. What will it be like for an old person, diabetic or asthmatic whom you infect?

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: edasko

It's easy for you. What will it be like for an old person, diabetic or asthmatic whom you infect?

That’s the point, there is already evidence that if the virus invades through the lungs and in large quantities, then it goes crazy... If the initial quantity is small, then usually in a mild form... That’s the idea through the eyes, they caught “asymptomatic people” with chronic diseases , but with conjunctivitis...

[edasko]

So no one understood whether the severity of the disease depends on the strength of the immune system or not. Some people say that if you get 10 viruses, you will get sick in 2 weeks. Hit 100500, you'll get sick in 4 days. The severity does not depend on this. Everything changes there every day, as if there were no decades of studying viruses, no sophisticated instruments. A new virus appeared (moreover, it was similar to the previous SARS, MERS) and that’s it, we arrived. We don’t know how to treat him, we don’t know when he will die. We select the medicine simply experimentally. The finish line, not medicine.

[Demon_is_ada]

The trick there is that the immune system sleeps at first; it is not familiar with the virus. Only as the damage to the activity of cells begins, their death, does he gradually learn to react. Local infection does not lead to deep damage to the entire organism. While it spreads from the mucous membrane of the eyes throughout the body, the immune system will identify the enemy... but... everyone has their own characteristics of immunity, and this is the problem.
And no one has actually studied viruses. even the military only studies their own aspects. Modern medicine is not science if a grandmother from a village is equipped with modern diagnostic equipment, then it seems to me that she will cope better with treatment... My mother was a doctor, my daughter and son-in-law are also doctors, I am a technician with logical thinking and was always horrified by the word medicine... fortune telling coffee grounds...

[edasko]

Are you only surprised by the timing?
Here is the link - https://medblog.su/novosti-meditsiny/chto-nuzhno-znat-o-pnevmonii-obshhestvo.html
In 2016, 31 people died from pneumonia, i.e. 201 died per month. Now 2. Moreover, pneumonia is also seasonal and most likely the peak values ​​in some months were much higher. And not everyone died, and a lot of people were in hospitals. Only for some reason there was no such overload. Where did so many hospitalized people suddenly come from now, although there are much fewer deaths. Are they treating well? So they admitted that they don’t know how to treat at all. But it is known that he is now in intensive care, 500% dead, if not Babkina. Who are they sending to hospitals now? It’s probably not worth taking the current “quarantine measures” seriously, which would affect the statistics. And in general, all their statistics raise many questions. The quality of the tests is poor, their number changes every time, it is unknown who they are testing there. Mass events have been banned, but the metro is still working?! Yes, it is cooler than any mass event! An ambulance came to my house several times, and I looked out the window at the equipment of the paramedics. No costumes, just masks pulled down to the chin. And the driver is darling even without her.
Well, okay, let the “quarantine” type help, and the number of deaths was reduced by 2 times. Why didn’t anyone mention the epidemic in 2016? The number of people sick with influenza and pneumonia was probably not small then either, certainly no less than now. After all, being a carrier of the virus does not mean you are sick. Each of us contains more than 2 kilos of viruses and bacteria of all kinds. If we tested everyone in 2016, it would be no better than now.
In the world - https://aif.ru/health/life/v_cifrah_i_faktah_pnevmoniya_zanimaet_4-e_mesto_sredi_prichin_smerti
More than 7 million people die every year. Also 2 times more by month.

[Alexey from Perm]

The logic here is the same, you need to support the population specifically with money, but the Kremlin either doesn’t want to or can’t

[Paul K.]

They can. But all the fuss with the National Welfare Fund is only with an eye to supporting state corporations and “courtiers”. The Kremlin’s words “we have accumulated” are not addressed to the people, but to the oligarchs, they say, don’t worry, we will support... For the first quarter, Gazprom received 7.1 instead 14 (billion as of last year). They need to be supported by the poor fellows... empty-headed, 3 billion for Ukrainian beggars from the Cossack - “trifles”... Here you go, half the quarterly revenue, didn’t you want to, smart guy?!

[sleeve]

Hm. I wonder where it’s more profitable to spend money? In places where the workforce is concentrated, coupled with white wages, and therefore 40% of the budget? Or to an incomprehensible small business that is basically a business for itself? Just statistically, how many jobs will disappear if these oligarchs are not helped or businesses are not helped? I’m not talking about taxes for the budget and pensions, it’s not interesting in comparison at all. We're talking about people. So this is what they help. Only the majority of this “business” cannot even pass such a simple test as the minimum paid minimum wage. But people are sitting at home and have nothing to eat! Well, how many are there really? Much more because they have the Internet at their fingertips. But still, are there statistics on those directly affected and why did this happen?

[sleeve]

Why are they filming at 10 thousand? Yes, the people put forward these measures with a twinkle. So it turned out to be stupid profanation. And there’s not much point in it. Well, now the watch will close the dangerous regions. They will begin to pay maintenance and even compensate the business with available funds. There will be an emergency and an attempt at complete localization. They will try to “cut off” 4/5 from the rest of the country.

[Radical]

It is clear that everyone is tired of living within 4 walls; many will happily accept a return to normal life today. At the same time, I would like to hope that there is still some logic in the measures taken by the state and that it is aimed both at protecting the health and life of ordinary Russians and at preventing a decline in the standard of living in the country

. Hooray.
Is the author of the article a woman, or am I mistaken? But that’s not the point! The fact is that preventive measures and countermeasures against infection were not taken in time! The same way it was organized in the USSR. “Specialists” are now embarrassed to say this on numerous shows - doctors, associate professors, academicians - judging by the credits. Where they bought the titles, positions, and who wrote their dissertations is a matter for a separate investigation... . Only who will conduct it.... .

[Alexey G]

I agree, they worked sluggishly! Either the infection was deliberately let in or the greed of the fraternity ruined it!

[sen]

If any relaxation is introduced, it will be for business - they will be allowed to reopen, but in compliance with quarantine rules. This is what they do now in Europe.

[Tagan]

Quote: lexus

Our "liberal" public has a need to "pee" in public.

Darling, despite the small contingent, is so-so

Naturally, your "large contingent", which "power" knows a lot about "aromas and tastes".

Well, you see, you immediately tried on yourself))) what tastes and aromas? You flatter yourself. :)

[Tagan]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Golovan Jack

Wait and see. Worldwide problem,

Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..

if only once again to throw the Russian substance into the state.

Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved .. organizational conclusions are not made at all, but you encourage it, and therefore indirectly take part in concealing problems .. thereby becoming an accomplice ..

Have you ever laid a finger on your finger in your life?
But you know what’s wrong where. Why suddenly?
People like you can only squeal. A “statesman” was found here.

[Amateur]

Either quarantine or no quarantine. Almost 2 million electronic passes are stupidity and profanity. "Imitation of vigorous activity."
We noticed that the peak incidence in Moscow occurred on the 13-15th day after the “Sobyanin stampede” in the metro.

[Poor]

Quote: Svarog

They will definitely prolong, as doctors say, we didn’t even reach the plateau and are still ahead. More and more I become a supporter of conspiracy theology. Gates and the team really want to leave 1 billion on the ground .. soon everyone will be forced to get vaccinated, and then the vaccinated will begin to die from another incomprehensible virus. Those who remain will introduce chips and make them work for cryptocurrency.

what a conspiracy theory, that’s the way it is, you need to mark the herd and then shear it, and it’s easier to govern, intimidate the people on pain of death, take police measures, blame the political and capitalist (economic) crisis on a pandemic and at the same time retain power and continue further and in the same spirit.

[nycsson]

We know these statistics. One size fits all.....Apart from the political implications, this makes no sense. They will ruin the economy completely...

[Siberian]

Any statistics are broken by the methodology for maintaining these statistics. Different calculation methods mean different statistics, or rather, their data. Now, if everyone (the entire population!) is tested now, then there will be one statistics, if those who have something suspicious - another, those who have already been admitted to hospitals (not only with pulmonary problems) - third.
Now we know for sure. What:
1. no known medicine helps.
2. young people get sick at a higher rate, but with less consequences. Older people get sick less often, but with more serious consequences. How can we summarize the statistics into one point?
3, For those who had a serious condition, the test often showed NOTHING initially.
4. With any pneumonia (community-acquired, hospital-acquired) pneumonia in mild, severe, moderate severity, problems in the lungs still remain (question: forever? For how long? What degree of severity? Can something be done or not?)
Here are the statistics. These are certainly not questions of politics, but of science (medicine, biology, virology, biochemistry and much more), which our effective managers reformed from state administration to its complete disappearance.

[nycsson]

We look and enlighten ......

[Tagan]

Quote: besik

how can a citizen of Uzbekistan be dragged by force to a plebiscite in the Russian Federation? We ourselves will figure out what we need

That's what I'm talking about. Everyone understands something for us more than we do. But in reality, you don’t understand what’s happening right under your very noses.

[Tagan]

Quote: nycsson

We look and enlighten ......

So what's so smart about that? Another liberal diarrhea

[Boris Razor]

Anglo-Saxon production, food, historical values, etc. They were taken out of Germany cleanly, according to the Morgenthau plan. The Union had no such plans; it fed and helped rebuild its part of Germany. And if it weren’t for the Cold War and the Marshall Plan that replaced the Morgenthau plan, we would have seen another “humanistic” genocide carried out by the Anglo-Saxons.

[GUSAR]

50% of the population believes that the authorities are exaggerating the danger of the virus, 50% believe that they are downplaying it. 100% of the population is sure that the authorities are lying.

[Kelwin]

Yes, in general, they don’t care anymore, they’ll take it off, they won’t take it off - they’ve already made such a mess that they’ll stop cleaning it up. I’ll take three pairs of socks to the tax office, unwashed though, I’ll save money and wash them themselves.

[lis-ik]

Everything is very strange according to official statistics and the real state of affairs. I have already written more than once about the fact that this is all a colossal scam, but I will cite a fact that cannot be disputed. In addition to trading, I also deliver food from one hospital in Mozhaisk (where there is a working catering unit) to another in Ruza (where the catering unit has been optimized). So, in the Mozhaisk hospital, the obstetric building of the hospital was urgently vacated, about a little less than a month ago, for the mass reception of flu patients, they surrounded it with a chain-link mesh, set up security and.....that's all. Not a single patient was admitted there in a month. But on the Internet I have already read more than once about queues of ambulances, etc. They drive themselves into hysteria and panic.

[Dikson]

By chance, several of my friends remain in Indonesia and Thailand.. I don’t want to say anything, except that in Bali, for example, since the cessation of flights with China (this is December somewhere), no one has died en masse..) ) Although it would seem that there were hundreds of thousands of tourists there.. A seasonal outbreak of Dengue fever was recorded (a very severe disease like malaria) - about 2 sick people.. And that’s all. There is no crown there.. And given the local sanitary realities, they should have died out in the spring.. Where, by the way, are the millions of dead Hindus floating along the Ganges? They are immune to the terrible coronavirus, right? Where are these millions of victims in Southeast Asia? There, the concept of hygiene often comes down to wiping dirty hands on your pants... what kind of gloves and masks are there... Why do we talk loudly about the number of people infected (this is the number of positive samples, as I understand it)? Coronaviruses are well known to doctors, but how much does the test distinguish “regular corona” from Covid-000? If it was recognized that vitamin D helps in the fight against this infection, why were parks and beaches closed all over the world? In Bali, even the locals were kicked out of the water.. - does this mean that the virus multiplies well in salty sea water?..

[Alexey G]

Let's see what the president says! I think it’s unlikely that they will lift all restrictions! Most likely just a few!
Educational institutions, for example, are unlikely to be lifted from quarantine. If you do this, it will lead to a new outbreak! Children and teachers will infect each other and their families! It will not be possible to maintain distance in schools or universities. Wearing a mask for 8 hours will be difficult, and hardly useful, since the masks will become saturated with the virus and need to be changed. Good ones every day, like 3M, but homemade ones without a valve every 2 hours! This means we need to provide children and teachers with protective equipment, but there are not enough of them in hospitals! This is the door to a new nightmare!
Maybe they will be allowed to walk, but wearing masks and keeping a distance, avoiding gatherings... Perhaps private businesses will be allowed to work subject to certain conditions.

[Victorio]

Questions should be asked to people: why the hell don’t they follow safety measures? so much money is spent on all these events, health workers are overwhelmed, and people don’t care.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Shadows

And where did you get the idea that they would be removed? I think it will be extended until June.

The problem is that even while sitting in so-called self-isolation, people manage to get sick. Because in reality, many are not sitting. People are forced to go to stores. We take turns going to work. And yet we don’t have a normal sanitary and epidemiological service. How did they start bringing people in? They brought the infection from abroad. And I generally associate Moscow with a hotbed of plague. Interestingly, they learned to fight the plague and infections with quarantine a long time ago

[certero]

If restrictions are lifted after the 12th, the question arises: why the hell were they introduced at all? We have been sitting at home since March 28, and during this time the situation with coronavirus has worsened a thousandfold. There were dozens of people infected per day, now there are tens of thousands.
So it turns out that all this crap doesn't work? seditious thoughts cannot arise, maybe the government and the president are doing something wrong? Should it have been like in Belarus or like in South Korea?

[Radical]

Quote: Tagan

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Golovan Jack

Wait and see. Worldwide problem,

Yes, I’m not interested in the sloppiness of officials in the world. But in my own country, I would like to see responsibility and order ..

if only once again to throw the Russian substance into the state.

Someone should point out problems .. that are accumulating and not being solved .. organizational conclusions are not made at all, but you encourage it, and therefore indirectly take part in concealing problems .. thereby becoming an accomplice ..

Have you ever laid a finger on your finger in your life?
But you know what’s wrong where. Why suddenly?
People like you can only squeal. A “statesman” was found here.

And you, as we can understand from your comment, built the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station?