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Sohu on T-14 Armata: For Russians, testing the latest weapons in Syrian combat conditions has become a habit

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Sohu on T-14 Armata: For Russians, testing the latest weapons in Syrian combat conditions has become a habit

A few days after the sensational statement by Russian Minister Denis Manturov about passing the T-14 Armata tests in Syria, the Chinese media decided to submit their assessment of the situation.


The Chinese information portal Sohu has published material stating that recently sending promising weapons for testing in the Syrian war zone has become a "habit for the Russians."

From an article by a Chinese author:

Testing of new weapons, promising military equipment in real combat conditions is what has become a habit for Russians, for the Russian army. Previously, they sent the latest Su-57 fighters to Syria. But the question is: why did Russia send its own to Syria Tanks new generation T-14 Armata?

The author notes that sending T-14 tanks for testing in the ATS is associated with testing the systems of the latest armored vehicles in those conditions when the battle is real, when the enemy’s actions cannot be 100 percent predicted. Sohu also notes that it is important for a tank to pass tests in "hot desert conditions."

Earlier in China, they suggested thinking about the possibility of acquiring a limited batch of T-14 Armata tanks from Russia. Recall that the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation a few days ago stated that the tanks have a high export potential, but it will be realized only after the start of serial deliveries of the T-14 to the Russian Armed Forces.
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  1. Buxloff
    Buxloff 4 May 2020 09: 22 New
    17
    Так и должно быть с любым вооружением ..Чтобы штамп стоял ,"Проверено в боевых действиях"..
    And then in the west they will make expensive toys
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 May 2020 09: 42 New
      -7
      It seems that hostilities are hostilities, and the Ministry of Industry and Trade makes responsible decisions by financiers, marketers and lawyers, with very few exceptions, who did not serve in the armies, and therefore ...
      1. bar
        bar 4 May 2020 10: 12 New
        +5
        Надеюсь всё же, что реальной "проверкой в боевых условиях" занимается не ведомство Мантурова, а ведомство Шойгу.
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 4 May 2020 12: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Buxloff
      Так и должно быть с любым вооружением ..Чтобы штамп стоял ,"Проверено в боевых действиях"..
      And then in the west they will make expensive toys

      Well, Abrams (I remind you that this is the only one left in fact with Matrasia in the armament of the MBT), it was tested more than once in combat conditions. We will not particularly focus on the fact that brochures and real effectiveness, to put it mildly, did not correspond to each other (and the data on real Pentagon is still classifying losses). But verified.
      А вот С-400 - на мой взгляд на порядок более грозное оружие. Да, это не танк. И в боевых действиях расчёты ещё ни разу не участвовали. Но Запад (и не только Запад) боится их настолько сильно, что даже не рискует "испытать" их на собственной шкуре (ибо знает, что заявленные ТТХ - правда, а то и покруче будут). Это ли не идеал?
      Ну и если зашёл разговор про страх перед оружием, не могу не постнуть наш советский замечательный н/ф мультфильм "Полигон" (выполнен в уникальной манере рисовки - и да, там как раз про танк):
      1. malyvalv
        malyvalv 5 May 2020 03: 52 New
        +2
        I read the story when I was little. The story is more interesting than the cartoon. The thing is really outstanding.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 5 May 2020 04: 01 New
          0
          "Здесь могут водиться тигры" тоже куда интереснее как рассказ, но мультфильм всё же доносит мысль куда лучше и доступнее даже для всяких Петровичей, максимум если что и читавших, то учебники в ПТУ.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 4 May 2020 09: 26 New
    +5
    Well, the Su-57 was clearly there, but the T-14 is under a very big question ...
    Hundreds of photos from the side of the SAA fighters and from the barmalei and from just random passers-by would pour into the network.
    Smartphones for almost everyone today!
    What, one tank was brought and he traveled to the Khmeimim base at night? Sheathed?
    1. Amateur
      Amateur 4 May 2020 09: 33 New
      +8
      Hundreds of photographs would have spilled over the network from both the SAA fighters and the barmaleys

      Раскрыта ещё одна тайна Арматы: она сделана по сов.секретной технологии "Суслик".
      Nobody sees, but there is Armata. wassat hi
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 4 May 2020 09: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Amateur
        Раскрыта ещё одна тайна Арматы: она сделана по сов.секретной технологии "Суслик".
        Nobody sees, but there is Armata.

        Shame on my gray head ...
        Забыл о том, что там "применены технологии стелс" (нынче все либо стелс, либо гиперзвук), поэтому он просто "невидимка"! request
        Invisible tank, silent shells destroys the authority of the Americans!
        1. Amateur
          Amateur 4 May 2020 09: 42 New
          +5
          поэтому он просто "невидимка"!

          And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it. drinks
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 4 May 2020 09: 44 New
            -1
            Quote: Amateur
            And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it.

            Do not leave home. You have already left for you! laughing
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 4 May 2020 09: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: Victor_B
              Quote: Amateur
              And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it.

              Do not leave home. You have already left for you! laughing

              I haven’t left anywhere. I still have not caught moonshine. so do not reassure a person ahead of time. wink
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 4 May 2020 09: 57 New
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                I haven’t left anywhere.

                Right.
                We left behind YOU!
                So, that you will go soon.
                (Howling)
                Black Raven,
                why are you curling
                above my head ...
              2. Buxloff
                Buxloff 4 May 2020 10: 05 New
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                I haven’t left anywhere. I still have not caught moonshine. so do not reassure a person ahead of time

                good He laughed heartily .. laughing drinks
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 4 May 2020 10: 08 New
                  -2
                  It's too early to laugh. We will laugh when we see how Victor_B (Victor Petrovich) will plant a monument! wink drinks
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 4 May 2020 10: 20 New
                    -2
                    Quote: sabakina
                    will plant a monument!

                    Who will put him in prison?
                    He is a MONUMENT!
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 4 May 2020 10: 41 New
                      -1
                      Well, that's why he wrote that we would laugh. repeat
                  2. Buxloff
                    Buxloff 4 May 2020 10: 42 New
                    -1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    It's too early to laugh. We will laugh when we see how Victor_B (Victor Petrovich) will plant a monument! wink drinks

                    I’m looking at Petrovich, I sold it in earnest ... wink drinks
                    1. Victor_B
                      Victor_B 4 May 2020 11: 02 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Buxloff
                      I’m looking at Petrovich, I sold it in earnest ...

                      And he broke up.
                      And took it easy!
            2. Amateur
              Amateur 4 May 2020 09: 54 New
              +8
              You have already left for you!

              Bring them back. Infa about the automatic discharge of smartphone batteries leaked to the Internet a few years ago, when the national battalions smashed the Armada Armata near Donetsk, but could not take any pictures. soldier
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 4 May 2020 10: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Amateur
                Infa about the automatic discharge of smartphone batteries leaked to the Internet a few years ago

                And this information was also carefully hidden about the shirnarmass!
                On the way they and they will call you.
                1. Amateur
                  Amateur 4 May 2020 10: 12 New
                  +2
                  Waiting for C!
                  Marked on a glass
                  And a secluded corner selected
                  And already broken in your pocket
                  Processed cheese dries.
                  Well, where are you friend
                  Our third friend?
                  Processed cheese dries.
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 4 May 2020 10: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Amateur
                    Marked on a glass
                    And a secluded corner selected
                    And already broken in your pocket
                    Processed cheese dries.
                    Well, where are you friend
                    Our third friend?
                    Processed cheese dries.

                    Well right saliva a tear was kicked out ...
                2. sabakina
                  sabakina 4 May 2020 10: 13 New
                  0
                  Doctor, stop treating healthy people and finally take care of the sick!
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 4 May 2020 10: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      Well, the Su-57 was clearly there, but the T-14 is under a very big question ...
      Hundreds of photos from the side of the SAA fighters and from the barmalei and from just random passers-by would pour into the network.
      Smartphones for almost everyone today!
      What, one tank was brought and he traveled to the Khmeimim base at night? Sheathed?

      Skepticism is generally not understood. The Su-57 was there, and to organize its flights in Syria, I think, is many times more difficult. Someone doubts that ours can provide a regime of secrecy? Shoigu stated that over 200 weapons were tested in Syria. No one doubted this statement, although where are your Internet, littered with thousands of pictures? Barmalei in most cases will not understand what worked out for them, and a couple of elite Syrian units with the discipline to provide is not a problem to organize.
      Besides, do you know what the T-14 looks like? I personally do not. It’s hard to name the thing that rides in front of the cameras (the tower casing of riveted sheet metal).
      In other matters .. Well, what should the local community of Petrosyans do?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 4 May 2020 10: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: ROSS_51
        The Su-57 was there, and to organize its flights in Syria, I think, is many times more difficult.

        Well, the Americans took a picture of him there.
        The enemy did not oversleep.
        Well the T-14 shed is hefty. Well, really!
        So that curious would be enough. Not at the base, but in the wild.
        1. Range
          Range 4 May 2020 10: 56 New
          +5
          А вот второй раз, когда там побывали Су-57, Запад узнал только тогда, когда те вернулись назад в Россию. Похоже первый раз им позволили увидеть, типа "неумышленная утечка".
        2. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 4 May 2020 11: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Victor_B

          So that curious would be enough. Not at the base, but in the wild.

          Yes, I know that he is big. But there are many ways to disguise from elementary camouflage to wraps that change both the visual and thermal picture of the object. I see no problems.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 4 May 2020 11: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: ROSS_51
            Yes, I know that he is big.

            Duc looks exactly like that next to Armata.
            No, bring to Syria and ride to the base, there are no questions.
            But to take part in the battle ... Well, at least ride the local desert ... (And what the hell?)
            There is doubt.
            1. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 4 May 2020 14: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Victor_B
              Well, at least ride through the local desert ... (And the hell?)

              Well, at least in order to check the engine and transmission in the heat and in sand and dust. As far as I know, the first T-72 had big problems with air filters for the engine, which were constantly clogged in desert conditions and changing them is dancing with a tambourine .....
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 May 2020 05: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                Quote: Victor_B
                Well, at least ride through the local desert ... (And the hell?)

                Well, at least in order to check the engine and transmission in the heat and in sand and dust. As far as I know, the first T-72 had big problems with air filters for the engine, which were constantly clogged in desert conditions and changing them is dancing with a tambourine .....

                Sand, heat and dust in Syria in, say, February- March-April.
                Interesting - where?
                1. Ramzaj99
                  Ramzaj99 5 May 2020 08: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Sand, heat and dust in Syria in, say, February- March-April.
                  Interesting - where?

                  What's the difference??
                  A different climate, different conditions, different operation ........ The technique is new, everything needs to be tested, unexpected problems can creep out anywhere .....
  3. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 4 May 2020 09: 33 New
    +1
    The international security market has appeared and we are very active in this market. We guarantee the stability of a particular regime for certain non-simple terms. We are already waiting in line half of Africa.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 4 May 2020 09: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      The international security market has appeared

      But the human meat market is expanding! The USA in any country can lead to the power of the cannibal. For the supply of dietary meat for adolescents - Iraqi, Syrian, Ukrainian - to the canteen of Congress, the Senate, and the White House.
  4. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 4 May 2020 09: 36 New
    +2
    It would be interesting to read the reviews of those who experienced Armata personally in Syria. It is necessary to believe in specialists, and not bribe-tellers.
  5. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 4 May 2020 09: 41 New
    +6
    Well there is no smoke without fire.
    Good luck to you and your designers should not be ashamed of you.
    Tankers all the strength and strength in battle.
    Time is needed for testing.
    God bless you guys!
  6. demiurg
    demiurg 4 May 2020 09: 52 New
    +2
    I don’t know why, I do not like the tank visually. Shed after the compact T-90. I understand that my opinion, the sofa theoretician is not interesting to anyone, but I can not do anything.
    But the BMP turned out unusually futuristic. And after equipping her with a 57mm broads, I fell in love with her.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 4 May 2020 10: 30 New
    +1
    Fighting conditions are the best advertisement for weapons! But a military conflict is the best training ground, such conditions cannot be worked out on any simulator. There is one more condition, this weapon must be adopted, otherwise we are trying to push it into the market, but we don’t have it
  8. Maas
    Maas 4 May 2020 10: 31 New
    +1
    It is normal to test new equipment in combat conditions and Russia is no exception.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +2
    Correspondents to Sohu, apparently, only recently from a kindergarten. And where else to test weapons, if not in war.
  10. ultra
    ultra 4 May 2020 12: 18 New
    -1
    On August 3, 2017, the list of “100 Best Chinese Internet Companies in 2017” was published, and Sohu portal ranked seventh in it. On the portal, Chinese Internet users publish materials on various topics: from politics to events from everyday life. Most of the authors are non-professional journalists, however, such publications as Xinhua and Huanqiu Shibao also publish their materials on the portal. wassat
  11. Junior Private
    Junior Private 4 May 2020 14: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Knights Templar

    As an option, check in combat conditions. Or will it not suit you if this has taken place?

    And this was before the Americans declassified information about UFOs, or after?
  12. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 4 May 2020 16: 55 New
    +2
    They envy, however ...
    Something is not heard that the Chinese would have fought somewhere.
    And the army begins without war ....... in his pants.
  13. Adimius38
    Adimius38 4 May 2020 16: 58 New
    0
    the Chinese just to buy a dozen and rip everything off copy
  14. Ether
    Ether 4 May 2020 18: 41 New
    0
    I think there will be many more such messages, and not only from the Chinese.
  15. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 4 May 2020 23: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: bar
    Надеюсь всё же, что реальной "проверкой в боевых условиях" занимается не ведомство Мантурова, а ведомство Шойгу.

    Since Armata was not put into service, this is why the tests in Syria (if any) were carried out not by the army, but by the manufacturer. And that is precisely why this statement was made not by the Minister of Defense, but by the industry.
    Now the question is, does the manufacturer NEED a BATTLE TEST? Of course no. He needs a test in the climate zone, which is not in Russia. And to shoot a tank with a variety of weapons is easier, more transparent, it can be done at firing ranges where everything is verified — distance, angle, caliber, type of projectile, type of weapon firing a sample .... Believe me, a designer with a decent experience. I would do exactly as I wrote. Field tests can be easily recorded and detailed acts drawn up. Have evidence that you can think and work on. They are what the developer needs, and not the devil knows what was brought from the battle. As for driving and life tests. At the training grounds, you can arrange a hundred tank competitions. Tests of stability in a tropical climate in Russia are not available.
  16. Victor Peter
    Victor Peter 5 May 2020 00: 53 New
    +2
    Желторожих жаба душит. Русские в Сирии в бою Армату испытывают, а их "лучшая" лоханка катки потеряла еще на танковом биатлоне.
    А так то да! Китайское "невидимое пятое поколение" и гиперзвук рулят вовсю. Только вот хрен знает куда...
  17. Romanenko
    Romanenko 5 May 2020 13: 30 New
    +1
    It is probably foolish to miss such opportunities in relation to the entire range of weapons, for some reason the Chinese have focused on the Su-57 and T-14, but in fact much more has passed through Syria.
    No matter how it looked in the eyes of the allies and competitors, but you can really check weapons only in battle.
  18. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 5 May 2020 14: 13 New
    +1

    Earlier in China, they suggested thinking about the possibility of acquiring a limited batch of T-14 Armata tanks from Russia

    But I won’t be surprised if they sell ...
    In our government, loot always comes first, not national pride or security ... request
  19. boris epstein
    boris epstein 5 May 2020 16: 46 New
    0
    "Испытания новых вооружений, перспективной военной техники в реальных боевых условиях – то, что вошло в привычку для русских,.."Да весь мир всегда так делал, делает и будет делать.
  20. IL-64
    IL-64 6 May 2020 07: 29 New
    0
    Does anyone have a Sohu subscription? Or is there already a problem with materials for HE? The opinion of Chinese sofa experts is of course very important and interesting to us.