Sohu on T-14 Armata: For Russians, testing the latest weapons in Syrian combat conditions has become a habit

A few days after the sensational statement by Russian Minister Denis Manturov about passing the T-14 Armata tests in Syria, the Chinese media decided to submit their assessment of the situation.

The Chinese information portal Sohu has published material stating that recently sending promising weapons for testing in the Syrian war zone has become a "habit for the Russians."

From an article by a Chinese author:

Testing of new weapons, promising military equipment in real combat conditions is what has become a habit for Russians, for the Russian army. Previously, they sent the latest Su-57 fighters to Syria. But the question is: why did Russia send its own to Syria Tanks new generation T-14 Armata?

The author notes that sending T-14 tanks for testing in the ATS is associated with testing the systems of the latest armored vehicles in those conditions when the battle is real, when the enemy’s actions cannot be 100 percent predicted. Sohu also notes that it is important for a tank to pass tests in "hot desert conditions."

Earlier in China, they suggested thinking about the possibility of acquiring a limited batch of T-14 Armata tanks from Russia. Recall that the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation a few days ago stated that the tanks have a high export potential, but it will be realized only after the start of serial deliveries of the T-14 to the Russian Armed Forces.

Comments

[Buxloff]

This is how it should be with any weapon. For the stamp to be "Tested in combat" ..
And then in the west they will make expensive toys

[iouris]

It seems that hostilities are hostilities, and the Ministry of Industry and Trade makes responsible decisions by financiers, marketers and lawyers, with very few exceptions, who did not serve in the armies, and therefore ...

[bar]

I hope, nevertheless, that it is not Manturov's department, but Shoigu's department, which is engaged in real "testing in combat conditions".

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Buxloff

This is how it should be with any weapon. For the stamp to be "Tested in combat" ..
And then in the west they will make expensive toys

Well, Abrams (I remind you that this is the only one left in fact with Matrasia in the armament of the MBT), it was tested more than once in combat conditions. We will not particularly focus on the fact that brochures and real effectiveness, to put it mildly, did not correspond to each other (and the data on real Pentagon is still classifying losses). But verified.
But the S-400 is, in my opinion, an order of magnitude more formidable weapon. Yes, this is not a tank. And the calculations have never participated in hostilities. But the West (and not only the West) fears them so much that it does not even risk "testing" them on its own skin (because it knows that the stated performance characteristics are true, or even more abruptly). Isn't that ideal?
Well, if we started talking about fear of weapons, I can't help but post our wonderful Soviet n / f cartoon "Polygon" (made in a unique manner of drawing - and yes, there is just about a tank):

[malyvalv]

I read the story when I was little. The story is more interesting than the cartoon. The thing is really outstanding.

[Kuroneko]

"Tigers can be found here" is also much more interesting as a story, but the cartoon nevertheless conveys the idea much better and more accessible even for all Petrovichs, if they read anything at most, then textbooks in vocational schools.

[Victor_B]

Well, the Su-57 was clearly there, but the T-14 is under a very big question ...
Hundreds of photos from the side of the SAA fighters and from the barmalei and from just random passers-by would pour into the network.
Smartphones for almost everyone today!
What, one tank was brought and he traveled to the Khmeimim base at night? Sheathed?

[Amateur]

Hundreds of photographs would have spilled over the network from both the SAA fighters and the barmaleys

Another secret of Armata has been revealed: it was made using the state-of-the-art "Gopher" technology.
Nobody sees, but there is Armata.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

Another secret of Armata has been revealed: it was made using the state-of-the-art "Gopher" technology.
Nobody sees, but there is Armata.

Shame on my gray head ...
I forgot that there "stealth technologies are applied" (now everything is either stealth or hypersound), so he is simply "invisible"!
Invisible tank, silent shells destroys the authority of the Americans!

[Amateur]

therefore he is simply "invisible"!

And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it.

Do not leave home. You have already left for you!

[sabakina]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Amateur

And Armata automatically discharges the battery in the smartphone when trying to take a picture of it.

Do not leave home. You have already left for you!

I haven’t left anywhere. I still have not caught moonshine. so do not reassure a person ahead of time.

[Victor_B]

Quote: sabakina

I haven’t left anywhere.

Right.
We left behind YOU!
So, that you will go soon.
(Howling)
Black Raven,
why are you curling
above my head ...

[Buxloff]

Quote: sabakina

I haven’t left anywhere. I still have not caught moonshine. so do not reassure a person ahead of time

He laughed heartily ..

[sabakina]

It's too early to laugh. We will laugh when we see how Victor_B (Victor Petrovich) will plant a monument!

[Victor_B]

Quote: sabakina

will plant a monument!

Who will put him in prison?
He is a MONUMENT!

[sabakina]

Well, that's why he wrote that we would laugh.

[Buxloff]

Quote: sabakina

It's too early to laugh. We will laugh when we see how Victor_B (Victor Petrovich) will plant a monument!

I’m looking at Petrovich, I sold it in earnest ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Buxloff

I’m looking at Petrovich, I sold it in earnest ...

And he broke up.
And took it easy!

[Amateur]

You have already left for you!

Bring them back. Infa about the automatic discharge of smartphone batteries leaked to the Internet a few years ago, when the national battalions smashed the Armada Armata near Donetsk, but could not take any pictures.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

Infa about the automatic discharge of smartphone batteries leaked to the Internet a few years ago

And this information was also carefully hidden about the shirnarmass!
On the way they and they will call you.

[Amateur]

Waiting for C!

Marked on a glass
And a secluded corner selected
And already broken in your pocket
Processed cheese dries.
Well, where are you friend
Our third friend?
Processed cheese dries.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Amateur

Marked on a glass
And a secluded corner selected
And already broken in your pocket
Processed cheese dries.
Well, where are you friend
Our third friend?
Processed cheese dries.

Well right saliva a tear was kicked out ...

[sabakina]

Doctor, stop treating healthy people and finally take care of the sick!

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, the Su-57 was clearly there, but the T-14 is under a very big question ...
Hundreds of photos from the side of the SAA fighters and from the barmalei and from just random passers-by would pour into the network.
Smartphones for almost everyone today!
What, one tank was brought and he traveled to the Khmeimim base at night? Sheathed?

Skepticism is generally not understood. The Su-57 was there, and to organize its flights in Syria, I think, is many times more difficult. Someone doubts that ours can provide a regime of secrecy? Shoigu stated that over 200 weapons were tested in Syria. No one doubted this statement, although where are your Internet, littered with thousands of pictures? Barmalei in most cases will not understand what worked out for them, and a couple of elite Syrian units with the discipline to provide is not a problem to organize.
Besides, do you know what the T-14 looks like? I personally do not. It’s hard to name the thing that rides in front of the cameras (the tower casing of riveted sheet metal).
In other matters .. Well, what should the local community of Petrosyans do?

[Victor_B]

Quote: ROSS_51

The Su-57 was there, and to organize its flights in Syria, I think, is many times more difficult.

Well, the Americans took a picture of him there.
The enemy did not oversleep.
Well the T-14 shed is hefty. Well, really!
So that curious would be enough. Not at the base, but in the wild.

[Spektr]

But the second time, when the Su-57 visited there, the West found out only when they returned back to Russia. It looks like the first time they were allowed to see, like "unintentional leak".

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Victor_B

So that curious would be enough. Not at the base, but in the wild.

Yes, I know that he is big. But there are many ways to disguise from elementary camouflage to wraps that change both the visual and thermal picture of the object. I see no problems.

[Victor_B]

Quote: ROSS_51

Yes, I know that he is big.

Duc looks exactly like that next to Armata.
No, bring to Syria and ride to the base, there are no questions.
But to take part in the battle ... Well, at least ride the local desert ... (And what the hell?)
There is doubt.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, at least ride through the local desert ... (And the hell?)

Well, at least in order to check the engine and transmission in the heat and in sand and dust. As far as I know, the first T-72 had big problems with air filters for the engine, which were constantly clogged in desert conditions and changing them is dancing with a tambourine .....

[atalef]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Quote: Victor_B

Well, at least ride through the local desert ... (And the hell?)

Well, at least in order to check the engine and transmission in the heat and in sand and dust. As far as I know, the first T-72 had big problems with air filters for the engine, which were constantly clogged in desert conditions and changing them is dancing with a tambourine .....

Sand, heat and dust in Syria in, say, February- March-April.
Interesting - where?

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: atalef

Sand, heat and dust in Syria in, say, February- March-April.
Interesting - where?

What's the difference??
A different climate, different conditions, different operation ........ The technique is new, everything needs to be tested, unexpected problems can creep out anywhere .....

[gabonskijfront]

The international security market has appeared and we are very active in this market. We guarantee the stability of a particular regime for certain non-simple terms. We are already waiting in line half of Africa.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: gabonskijfront

The international security market has appeared

But the human meat market is expanding! The USA in any country can lead to the power of the cannibal. For the supply of dietary meat for adolescents - Iraqi, Syrian, Ukrainian - to the canteen of Congress, the Senate, and the White House.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It would be interesting to read the reviews of those who experienced Armata personally in Syria. It is necessary to believe in specialists, and not bribe-tellers.

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Well there is no smoke without fire.
Good luck to you and your designers should not be ashamed of you.
Tankers all the strength and strength in battle.
Time is needed for testing.
God bless you guys!

[demiurg]

I don’t know why, I do not like the tank visually. Shed after the compact T-90. I understand that my opinion, the sofa theoretician is not interesting to anyone, but I can not do anything.
But the BMP turned out unusually futuristic. And after equipping her with a 57mm broads, I fell in love with her.

[APASUS]

Fighting conditions are the best advertisement for weapons! But a military conflict is the best training ground, such conditions cannot be worked out on any simulator. There is one more condition, this weapon must be adopted, otherwise we are trying to push it into the market, but we don’t have it

[Maas]

It is normal to test new equipment in combat conditions and Russia is no exception.

[Ros 56]

Correspondents to Sohu, apparently, only recently from a kindergarten. And where else to test weapons, if not in war.

[ultra]

On August 3, 2017, the list of “100 Best Chinese Internet Companies in 2017” was published, and Sohu portal ranked seventh in it. On the portal, Chinese Internet users publish materials on various topics: from politics to events from everyday life. Most of the authors are non-professional journalists, however, such publications as Xinhua and Huanqiu Shibao also publish their materials on the portal.

[Junior Private]

Quote: Knights Templar

As an option, check in combat conditions. Or will it not suit you if this has taken place?

And this was before the Americans declassified information about UFOs, or after?

[Whirlwind]

They envy, however ...
Something is not heard that the Chinese would have fought somewhere.
And the army begins without war ....... in his pants.

[Adimius38]

the Chinese just to buy a dozen and rip everything off copy

[Ether]

I think there will be many more such messages, and not only from the Chinese.

[vkd.dvk]

Quote: bar

I hope, nevertheless, that it is not Manturov's department, but Shoigu's department, which is engaged in real "testing in combat conditions".

Since Armata was not put into service, this is why the tests in Syria (if any) were carried out not by the army, but by the manufacturer. And that is precisely why this statement was made not by the Minister of Defense, but by the industry.
Now the question is, does the manufacturer NEED a BATTLE TEST? Of course no. He needs a test in the climate zone, which is not in Russia. And to shoot a tank with a variety of weapons is easier, more transparent, it can be done at firing ranges where everything is verified — distance, angle, caliber, type of projectile, type of weapon firing a sample .... Believe me, a designer with a decent experience. I would do exactly as I wrote. Field tests can be easily recorded and detailed acts drawn up. Have evidence that you can think and work on. They are what the developer needs, and not the devil knows what was brought from the battle. As for driving and life tests. At the training grounds, you can arrange a hundred tank competitions. Tests of stability in a tropical climate in Russia are not available.

[Victor Peter]

The yellow-horned toad strangles. The Russians in Syria are testing Armata in battle, and their "best" pelvis lost the rollers during the tank biathlon.
And so yes! The Chinese "invisible fifth generation" and hypersound rule with might and main. Only the hell knows where ...

[Romanenko]

It is probably foolish to miss such opportunities in relation to the entire range of weapons, for some reason the Chinese have focused on the Su-57 and T-14, but in fact much more has passed through Syria.
No matter how it looked in the eyes of the allies and competitors, but you can really check weapons only in battle.

[Paul Siebert]

Earlier in China, they suggested thinking about the possibility of acquiring a limited batch of T-14 Armata tanks from Russia

But I won’t be surprised if they sell ...
In our government, loot always comes first, not national pride or security ...

[boris epstein]

"Testing new weapons, promising military equipment in real combat conditions is something that has become a habit for Russians ..." Yes, the whole world has always done this, is doing and will continue to do so.

[IL-64]

Does anyone have a Sohu subscription? Or is there already a problem with materials for HE? The opinion of Chinese sofa experts is of course very important and interesting to us.