Confirmed data on the arrival of the Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel in Kaliningrad


A long time after sailing from the pier in Nakhodka, the Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel reached the westernmost region of Russia - the Kaliningrad Region. It is reported that today the "Academician Chersky" moored in the port of Kaliningrad.


The crane-laying vessel-pipe-laying vessel, to put it mildly, did not follow the most traditional route for such sea crossings. Changing the data on the endpoints of its route, the ship passed through Port Said, Canary Islands, plotted to Scottish Aberdeen. Finally, the "Academician Chersky" entered the Baltic Sea and today anchored in the port indicated above.

The ship with a displacement of about 30 thousand tons is currently operated by Gazprom Fleet. Earlier, it was suggested that due to the imposition of sanctions against companies that carried out the laying of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline, it was Academician Chersky who would be involved in completing work in the Baltic. According to some reports, it remains to lay about 130 km of the pipe along the bottom of the sea, after which the new gas pipeline will be considered ready for operation.

Confirmed data on the arrival of the Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel in Kaliningrad

The fact that the pipe-laying vessel reached the Kaliningrad seaport is confirmed by the MarineTraffic website.

On one of the sections of the road to the "Academician Chersky", a ship of the Swedish Navy approached a relatively close distance.

According to experts, the completion of the gas pipeline using the Akademik Chersky vessel may take several months. It was previously reported that Nord Stream-2 will be completed in 2020. Initially, it was planned to do this before the end of 2019, but after Washington imposed sanctions, several of the vessels participating in the project were urgently withdrawn from the pipeline laying area.
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  1. Kamikadze19 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners
    1. Teller 3 May 2020 13: 19 New
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      Quote: Kamikadze19
      I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners

      I join, the "partners" are still cowardly .. You need to complete the project, if you already started .. Otherwise, the howl will increase even more!
      And then we’ll block the Raguli ..))))) They will, like the Westerners of goats to graze and carry gas cylinders ..)))
      1. 210ox 3 May 2020 13: 34 New
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        Goats must be mawed first of all by managers from Gazprom. Only because they cannot forgive a step forward. Under contracts for which it is necessary to pay fines to ragul, I’m generally silent.
        1. rich 3 May 2020 14: 32 New
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          Goats must be mawed first of all by managers from Gazprom.

          God forbid. belay All goats get lost
          1. Lexus 3 May 2020 15: 02 New
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            Dmitriy hi
            Let me fix it - they will not confuse, but will spread. And the wolves lose the cards.wink
          2. Lelek 3 May 2020 18: 48 New
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            Quote: Rich
            God forbid. All goats get lost

            hi , Dmitry.
            Thank God, Chersky reached Kaliningrad, now a month will be spent on additional equipment and repairs. But then Gazprom needs to use the maximum of intelligence and ingenuity in order to get away from the striped sanctions that goat-bearded Sam will not slow to apply. IMHO, it is necessary to organize a company "laying", at whose disposal will temporarily "Chersky" do their job. There are (again IMHO) other ways to get around the Americans, but our "partners" are painfully unreliable, although they roam under the heel of the star-striped.
            1. Mordvin 3 3 May 2020 21: 17 New
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              Quote: Lelek
              , it is necessary to organize a company "laying", at whose disposal will temporarily "Chersky" do their job. There are (again IMHO) other ways to get around the Americans, but our "partners" are painfully unreliable, although they roam under the heel of the star-striped.

              This is similar to how my colleague built a garage in the early XNUMXs. The garage was half a meter higher than the neighboring one.
              - Ah, the chairman is coming!
              All throw shovels, trowels, and hide in the bushes.
            2. nycsson 4 May 2020 16: 59 New
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              How did you all break through here? X..if nothing, I want to ask you all? Do you throw hats again? Has this ship started laying? No! What does it do in Kaliningrad when it should be on the other side of the gas pipeline off the coast of Germany?
          3. Shadow041 3 May 2020 20: 53 New
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            In their wipers, together with Chubais, the most activity for them !!!
        2. Lexus 3 May 2020 14: 40 New
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          The “fasteners”, like the “skakuasas,” each clung to their “gas drive”, looking for a saving straw for a drowning man in them. And somewhere, boasted, "getting up from your knees": science, industry, agriculture, arms exports? Everything is clear - in the duplex. Getting down from the “needle”, they planted it even deeper. May the hope of the hopeless not leave!
          "Crane of Fate", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Aleksey Vladimirovich Kudelin), A wonderful folk artist
          1. MMX
            MMX 3 May 2020 19: 35 New
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            The “fasteners”, like the “skakuasas,” each clung to their “gas drive”, looking for a saving straw for a drowning man in them. And somewhere, boasted, "getting up from your knees": science, industry, agriculture, arms exports?


            But how does one interfere with the other?
          2. Tagan 4 May 2020 11: 26 New
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            Getting down from the “needle”, they planted it even deeper.

            What do you know about this?
            For you, apparently, there is no difference between the export component and GDP.
            Some of your icons themselves would not mind to plant on this needle and niche)))
        3. ancient 3 May 2020 18: 08 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          Goats must be mawed first of all by managers from Gazprom.

          Absolutely right good but ... If Gazprom was just a business, it would, of course, not go to the construction of either Turkish or Nord Stream-2.
          They are generally meaningless from all points of view.
          Even if Europe expects a boom in gas demand in the future, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to invest wasted resources on the construction of fluidizing terminals in the Russian Far North, which due to climatic conditions are much more profitable than competing terminals in warmer latitudes. what NOVATEK does.
          But Gazprom is not a business, but ........ and then ... "advertising break" wassat crying
          1. Moon 3 May 2020 23: 03 New
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            Quote: ancient
            But Gazprom is not a business, but ........ and then ... "advertising break"

            at that forum (where the information is from above) they specifically said what Gazprom is.
          2. Pissarro 4 May 2020 10: 30 New
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            LNG will never be cheaper than a pipe. At least by virtue of technology. LNG is more flexible. The pipe is a long-term partnership, which means politics. Building pipelines Russia solves political problems. The first of which will get rid of financing at its own expense Russophobia-parasites. The second is economic cooperation to reduce the degree of confrontation with old Europe and Turkey and to split them with America, as we see a successful policy. The pipe to China is also politics
          3. mmaxx 4 May 2020 11: 46 New
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            Intermittent transport systems can never compete with continuous ones. If there is a steady traffic flow, then the pipe is always more profitable.
      2. New Year day 3 May 2020 16: 14 New
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        Quote: Count
        .Need to complete the project, if you already started ..

        already fully fail! request
        German authorities deprived Gazprom of the last hope that the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline under construction would ever pay off.
        "On Friday, the Federal Grid Agency of Germany finally decided to refuse Nord Stream 2, which had practically completed the gas pipeline, in its request that the updated EU Gas Directive not apply to this gas pipeline.
        Now, even if Russia completes the gas pipeline by the end of this year, as planned, half of its capacity, or 27,5 billion cubic meters per year, Gazprom will be forced to give up gas to independent suppliers.
        After Germany’s refusal, Gazprom lost 50% of potential deliveries. "
        1. Nemo 3 May 2020 17: 06 New
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          Their own directive is to hit them. Last year, this directive was applied to the Opal gas pipeline and it turned out that no one had bought power in the second 50, so it will be with SP-2. In Europe, the Trans-Adriatic gas pipeline is now under construction and Gazprom, according to the EU directive, can use 50% of the capacity of this gas pipeline.
          1. Pereira 3 May 2020 21: 04 New
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            Gazprom, according to the EU directive, can use 50% of the capacity of this gas pipeline.

            Theoretically, yes. But does not use. We will all ask why, and in Gazprom they will only mysteriously smile.
            1. Nemo 4 May 2020 10: 21 New
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              In fact, it has not yet been completed
        2. Krasnoyarsk 3 May 2020 17: 54 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Gazprom will be forced to give gas to independent suppliers.

          Who are they?
        3. cat Rusich 3 May 2020 21: 44 New
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          The EU gas directive Gazprom - “horseback riding” - to create the Horns and Hooves concern, which will buy gas from Gazprom through the Hooves and Horns holding, will continue to sell “its” gas (owned by the Horns and Hooves concern) to the EU pumping gas through SP-2.
          1. Max otto 3 May 2020 22: 47 New
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            Quote: cat Rusich
            The EU gas directive Gazprom - “horseback riding” - to create the Horns and Hooves concern, which will buy gas from Gazprom through the Hooves and Horns holding, will continue to sell “its” gas (owned by the Horns and Hooves concern) to the EU pumping gas through SP-2.

            Here is my dream - to lead one of such offices, "Horn and Hooves." You don’t need to do anything, you transfer pieces of paper from one pile to another, money back and forth, all kinds of letters, business trips abroad. The result and activity is "0", and the salary - bogtymy %% of the contracts - you can buy a helicopter. The question is, why the hell are all these parasites needed? Can it still be beneficial to lay gas across Mother Russia? And then I drove once recently (to quarantine of course) through the city of Nevel in the Pskov region - the bus station was drowned with firewood (!), And this is almost the center of Europe.
            1. Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 00 New
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              Quote: Max Otto
              And then I drove once recently (to quarantine of course) through the city of Nevel in the Pskov region - the bus station was drowned with firewood (!), And this is almost the center of Europe.

              Germany is still a significant part of the houses, even multi-story, drowns with firewood (pellets) or coal. Do you not know about this ?! (Well, if you are real Max Otto laughing )
              At the same time, it is useful to know that trunk pipelines and distribution networks have different hosts. And it is spelled out in the legislation of the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, the general economy of the Pskov region and regional municipalities did not shine even in the best of times. Now no better. And they don’t have money for the development of distribution networks. But there is so much disorder in forestry that it could forever use it for its own benefit to heat the waste of "wooden" production and forestries. But there is no money for this. Well, everything else is simple - go to Peter, go to Miller in his glass ... palace laughing and offer your services. If everything is so simple - shift the papers back and forth, maybe luck will smile laughing , like all other janitors that want to change places with Gazprom managers. One wonder why just now thought of it? There, the support group has already gathered. Or do not call? Something is missing? It’s like adults .... Like in the movies, it’s for sure "the country of undeterred ......".
              1. ccsr 4 May 2020 11: 19 New
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                Quote: Hagen
                Germany is still a significant part of the houses, even multi-story, drowns with firewood (pellets) or coal. Do you not know about this ?! (Well, if you are real Max Otto

                I don’t know where you saw it, but in the early nineties in the Eastern lands I saw a huge number of houses where there is a gas tank in the yard, which is run by gas carriers for several months. So even then they refused the briquette wherever it was possible, and household gas boilers were installed in private apartments.
              2. Max otto 4 May 2020 12: 32 New
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                Quote: Hagen
                ... Do you not know about this ?! (Well, if you are real Max Otto laughing )

                It’s all the same how and who drowns there in Germany, it’s not even interesting. Gas is imported there, so everything is permissible.
                Max Otto worked as a standartenfuhrer in SD if that. (it’s even interesting how you will react to this).
                Quote: Hagen
                ... the general economy of the Pskov region and regional municipalities did not shine even in the best of times.

                Yes, but there is gas in the city, but there are such things with the station laughing
                Quote: Hagen
                ... Well, everything else is simple - go to St. Petersburg ...
                ... One thing is surprising, why only now have you thought of this? There, the support group has already gathered. Or do not call? Something is missing? Like adults ....

                Yes, actually, he was going there, to look, back and forth, to visit his sister.
                I really won’t go to Miller, my work is not bad anyway, not an IT specialist, of course, but enough.
                And to get such a position in Gazprom, you must be the son of Putin, Shoigu, or Arashukov laughing (well, do you remember yes? there even divided one bet into two by 0,5, because one was too bold)
                Quote: Hagen
                ... Like in the movies, it’s for sure "the country of undeterred ......"

                But with humor and common sense you have trouble. The word sarcasm is probably new to you too.
                1. Hagen 4 May 2020 12: 50 New
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                  Quote: Max Otto
                  And in order to get such a position in Gazprom, you have to be the son of Putin, Shoigu, or Arashukov (well, remember, yes? There, even one bet was divided into two by 0,5, because one was too fat)

                  Can you demonstrate the requirements for job candidates? I now know the employees of the "deep Siberian" production without the pedigrees you named. True, they have honors and diplomas in oil and gas. Because they "plowed from the heart" at one time in educational institutions.
                  Quote: Max Otto
                  I really won’t go to Miller, my work is not bad anyway, not an IT specialist, of course, but enough.

                  Like, it didn't hurt like that ?! laughing And why write about pipe dreams?
                  Quote: Max Otto
                  Max Otto worked as a standartenfuhrer in SD if that.

                  And why would I give you an example with Germany ?! They didn’t even finish it ... Well, okay. You are not interested ... Why then wonder at the station?
                  Quote: Max Otto
                  But with humor and common sense you have trouble.

                  Well, you don’t really shine with them either. What about the cow?
                  1. Max otto 4 May 2020 13: 43 New
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                    Quote: Hagen
                    ... I now know the employees of the "deep Siberian" production without the pedigrees you named ...

                    Well, tell me, what color is the diploma of the Arashukovs, after all, even in the Senate they took a job.
                    And what, your “oil and gas dissidents” will work in an intermediary office in Brussels? Yes, never! The ministers have many children, and yours and the "dissidents" will continue to do all the work there - beyond the Arctic Circle, where the children of the ministers have nothing to do.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Like, it didn't hurt like that ?! laughing And why write about pipe dreams?

                    Because the hypothetical dream there is only a lyrical introduction, and the main idea there is that the services of intermediaries strongly affect the cost of the final product, that the introduction of artificial intermediaries is only an excuse for legitimate corruption.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    ... And why would I give you an example with Germany? They didn’t even finish it ... Well, okay. You are not interested ... Why then wonder at the station?

                    But who will understand you why did you give me Germany as an example, Max Otto is not German.
                    You have a direct passion: to look like someone is worse, that would sit on the priest evenly and not do well at home. It looks like this: "And look, they’re sitting in shit poking around, but with us it’s just lying around under our feet, so we’re sitting quietly, you don’t have to clean it up."
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Well, you don’t really shine with them either. What about the cow?

                    normal with a cow, everything is still sad with you.
                    1. ccsr 4 May 2020 16: 00 New
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                      Quote: Max Otto
                      And what, your “oil and gas dissidents” will work in an intermediary office in Brussels? Yes, never! The ministers have many children, and yours and the "dissidents" will continue to do all the work there - beyond the Arctic Circle, where the children of the ministers have nothing to do.

                      Unfortunately, most of our citizens do not understand this, and still have the illusion that once all is returned to state ownership, then all officials will immediately become honest. Although any sane person understands that under capitalism, by definition, there can be no fair distribution of surplus value, which can be realized only under the socialist system, but this was not always possible there.
                    2. Hagen 4 May 2020 16: 01 New
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                      Quote: Max Otto
                      It looks like this: "Look, they’re sitting in shit poking around, but with us it’s just lying under our feet

                      You have a poor fantasy. A firebox by a tree is not at all equivalent to sitting in manure.
                      Quote: Max Otto
                      Well, tell me, what color is the diploma of the Arashukovs

                      You are obviously not a very successful and persistent person, but you are trying to explain the failures with the predetermined caste structure of society. Whatever not to defend oneself, if only within oneself the reason not to reveal. Oh well. In the end, not everyone should smile. Someone needs a revenge yard. Also a useful feature.
                      Quote: Max Otto
                      ok with a cow

                      This is because some can be mooed, but some are not recommended. Tight with you ... laughing Okay, calm down on the fact that ministers also have children who don’t sit in wassat
                      1. Max otto 4 May 2020 19: 49 New
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                        Why are you transferring everything to my personality? It's not about me at all. I am fine and there are no failures.
                        There’s another one right above your comment that I’m answering, a friend understood everything I wanted to say, but you didn’t succeed. This is tight with you, you are stupid by nature simply. Adieu.
                      2. Hagen 4 May 2020 19: 58 New
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                        Quote: Max Otto
                        comrade understood everything that I wanted to say, but you did not succeed.

                        You see, you are talking about hypothetical things and your idea of ​​where you were not and know nothing. I'm talking about a fait accompli. You may be more pointy than me, but you are by nature a frustrated loser.
                      3. Max otto 4 May 2020 20: 00 New
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                        An argument for the argument. This is already called a flood, again you are about me. finish this futile lesson.
                      4. Hagen 4 May 2020 20: 01 New
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                        Quote: Max Otto
                        again you are about me.

                        Do you like to be rude without an answer? laughing
  • ancient 3 May 2020 18: 02 New
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    It is necessary to complete the project, if you already started .. Otherwise, the howl will increase even more!

    Please announce .. the "profit" that the Russian Federation "received" as a result of the "availability" of all three of Gazprom’s last hyper-projects - Turkish Stream, Nord Stream-2 and the Power of Siberia. wink ?
    Quote: Count
    .Need to complete the project, if you already started.

    And at whose expense .. "continuation of the banquet"?
    Already Gazprom and Rosneft paid for the "debts and loans" of 2019?
    1. MMX
      MMX 3 May 2020 19: 33 New
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      Quote: ancient
      Quote: Count
      It is necessary to complete the project, if you already started .. Otherwise, the howl will increase even more!

      Please announce .. the "profit" that the Russian Federation "received" as a result of the "availability" of all three of Gazprom’s last hyper-projects - Turkish Stream, Nord Stream-2 and the Power of Siberia. wink ?


      How can I profit from incomplete projects? Explain?


      Already Gazprom and Rosneft paid for the "debts and loans" of 2019?

      A should have ??
    2. Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 16 New
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      Quote: ancient
      Please voice .. the "profit" that the Russian Federation "received" as a result of the "availability" of all three of Gazprom’s last hyper-projects - Turkish Stream, Nord Stream-2 and the Power of Siberia

      Go to the Gazprom page. There are reports for 2019. You read, analyze, analyze ... Why ask naive questions? Take it first hand. What is not clear - there are contact phones, tell me everything ... laughing
      1. mmaxx 4 May 2020 11: 50 New
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        Interesting people. They probably still think that the state lives on with their 13% tax. From Gazprom, from Rosneft, etc.
  • ancient 3 May 2020 18: 04 New
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    And then we block the Raguli

    Yeah ... "blocked" wassat It does not seem that 404 "concluded" an almost enslaving agreement with the country, according to which we pay almost for .. "air".
    It’s clear what they tried to do .. "a good face, with a bad game, but ......" request
  • nycsson 4 May 2020 17: 01 New
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    Quote: Kamikadze19
    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners


    What are your hopes based on? fool
  • kjhg 3 May 2020 13: 28 New
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    Quote: Kamikadze19
    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners

    Quote: Kamikadze19
    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners

    If you suffer for a long time, then something will come out. But the problems do not end there. Our German partners planted another pig for us. The German Federal Network Agency (BNA) has announced that SP-2 will be subject to the updated EU gas directive. This will impose a number of restrictions on the operation of this gas pipeline. The main difficulty for the Russian Gazprom is that, according to the rules of the third energy package, the supplier does not have to own the pipe and can transfer control to an independent operator or even sell it. In addition, there is another problem - according to the rules established by the European Union, one supplier has no right to load more than 50% of the pipe capacity. That is, through two gas pipelines, instead of 55 billion cubic meters, each pipe will be able to load only 27 billion cubic meters. And it turns out that, as a result, the Russian side, instead of two pipelines for 110 billion, may receive one for 54 billion. Gazprom appealed this decision. The final decision will be taken by the German Federal Network Agency by the end of May. Lawyers argue that Gazprom has very little chance of reversing this decision. With this step, Germany wants to guarantee Ukraine the preservation of transit through its territory after the expiration of the current contract.
    1. Tiksi-3 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      In addition, there is another problem - according to the rules established by the European Union, one supplier has no right to load more than 50% of the pipe capacity.

      it was known long before the construction
      Quote: kjhg
      then SP-2 will be subject to the updated EU gas directive.

      if our managers knew how to think or hired competent analysts ..... then we wouldn’t even have started rocking with the construction of this gas pipeline ... you need to get off the needle- pipes !!
    2. qQQQ 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      And it turns out that in the end the Russian side, instead of two gas pipelines of 110 billion, may receive one for 54 billion.

      Now, with the general economy and, accordingly, resource consumption, any decisions can be made. If gas is needed, they will likewise make a decision to suspend the action of the UES gas directive at SP-2. Capitalism will justify everything for profit.
      1. qQQQ 3 May 2020 13: 39 New
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        Quote: qqqq
        Now with the general economy

        decline
      2. New Year day 3 May 2020 16: 20 New
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        Quote: qqqq
        If gas is needed, they will likewise make a decision to suspend the action of the UES gas directive at SP-2.

        Has the white light converged in Gazprom? Europe diversifies gas supplies
        1. Hagen 4 May 2020 10: 29 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Has the white light converged in Gazprom?

          Groningen will end completely by 2030, and will decrease by 2022% by 45. Norway also reduces production. And given the low prices for raw materials, it is no longer able to conduct prospecting deposits. Algeria gives something in the region of 60 billion cubic meters to Europe. So, the light may not converge in Europe at Gazprom, but she will not want to part with it.
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          Quote: qqqq
          If gas is needed, they will likewise make a decision to suspend the action of the UES gas directive at SP-2.

          Has the white light converged in Gazprom?

          Of course not! All that we observe with this ship is an attempt to save face. Nord Stream-2 is an economic and political corpse !!! Soon we will remember about gas export times ..... if our elite has enough minds, as I personally doubt, they will quickly begin to gasify the Russian Federation ....
          1. Golovan Jack 4 May 2020 17: 49 New
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            Quote: nycsson
            Nord Stream 2 is an economic and political corpse ...

            ... or just a "long game." How long does a gas pipeline have a service life, can you tell? Europe doesn’t have its own gas (Norway is practically "vso"), and gas is not only fuel, it is also chemistry ...

            Quote: nycsson
            Very soon we will remember about gas export times ...

            Do not be so afraid so you definitely won’t be killed (s) yes
            1. nycsson 5 May 2020 09: 25 New
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              We don’t have time to play long. How much dough did you kill him? Do you argue as if the Russian Federation has no competitors in this area !? A holy place is never empty! wink
    3. Brturin 3 May 2020 13: 41 New
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      SP-1 doesn’t fall into anyway, since it has been built and is operational for a long time, as for SP-2, on November 7th. Gazprom has created a company that can be assigned to manage the 12-mile section of Nord Stream-2, which will bring the project out of the scope of the updated EU Gas Directive. This statement was made by the German newspaper Handelsblatt, referring to its own sources in the industry. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7088970. We’ll see .... Yes, and why only Ukraine, here in May the Poles end their transit contract ...
    4. businessv 3 May 2020 14: 02 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      With this step, Germany wants to guarantee Ukraine the preservation of transit through its territory after the expiration of the current contract.

      Germany Ukraine on the side! Germany is under heavy pressure from mattresses; there are a lot of striped bases on its territory, so you won’t get spoiled! For transit through an independent, in the end the Germans pay, why do they need it? Strong mattresses and shavers are afraid of Strong Germany, therefore they will not be allowed to rise, they will milk it either on raguli, now on migrants, or on some dregs!
      1. Connor MacLeod 3 May 2020 14: 16 New
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        Yes, where does the United States? The Germans are cunning guys, they specially terribly catch up to bring down the price of gas. They always very skillfully manipulate political tension for their own benefit. An example is the very same South Stream, which the Germans blocked, using the war in the Donbass as an excuse, only to redirect all gas flows through their own territory.
        1. Kisa 3 May 2020 18: 08 New
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          here, in my opinion, the question is far from profit, especially in this chaotic time when oil is minuscule ... well, it started as a national project along with the bridge of the World Cup Olympics ... almost national pride you never know where the profits will go to .. .. if it is not brought to the end, it will be such a savory podzhopnik of both Vova and the current government))) somehow 10% will be reached, and then there will be shame, but then it will be interesting ...
        2. businessv 4 May 2020 22: 19 New
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          Quote: Connor MacLeod
          An example is the same South Stream, which the Germans blocked, using the war in the Donbass as an excuse, only to redirect all gas flows through their own territory.
          What South Stream blocking are you talking about? From the construction of the terminal which Bulgaria refused under pressure formally of the European Union, but really mattresses in the form of the invention of the “third energy package” ?! Mattresses started a coup d'état in an independent one, not in order to miss the opportunity to control Europe, but in order to strain and weaken it even more.
          And by the way, one of the shareholders of the South was the German Winter Shell - 15%.
    5. svoit 3 May 2020 14: 13 New
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      Our German partners planted us another pig

      Not US in us, the consumer will pay for everything, however he already pays for everything
    6. Maestro 3 May 2020 16: 12 New
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      SP-1 was also only half loaded for some time ... while Europe did not need additional capacities
    7. major147 3 May 2020 17: 01 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      Our German partners planted another pig for us.


      EU Gas Bypass Methods
      Leading expert of the National Energy Security Fund (NESF), lecturer at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation Stanislav Mitrakhovich noted that there are several options for withdrawing SP-2 from the limitations of the European gas directive.
      - An attempt was made to bring Nord Stream-2 out of the scope of the updated EU gas directive according to a simplified scheme, appealing to the fact that the project was being implemented until May 2019. There are other mechanisms. “Nord Stream-2” can be removed from the directive by agreeing to the country where the pipe first goes to land, that is, Germany, ”he said.
      Alternative methods could be the establishment of a company that will transit gas through the 12-mile offshore section of Nord Stream-2, or the creation of a virtual gas hub in the Baltic Sea.
      - In the end, you can even sell gas at the exit from Russia. Then it will be transited not as Gazprom gas, but as transit gas, the expert said.
      Deputy Director General of the Institute of National Energy Alexander Frolov also drew attention to the fact that the proposed decision of the German agency concerns only one of the options for removing SP-2 from the action of the Third Energy Package (TEP) of the EU.
      - In these amendments there are a number of circumstances that allow, including the German regulator, to give SP-2 an exception from the norms of the Third Energy Package. The rules of European law themselves imply a larger number of options that allow the SP-2 to be 100 percent loaded, ”he said.
      It’s too early to say that SP-2 will be somehow limited for two reasons. Firstly, the Handelblatt reports are not confirmed by the official authorities of Germany. Secondly, Nord Stream 2 itself has not yet been completed, Frolov said.
      Nord Stream 1 Experience
      Another answer to the question of how to circumvent EU restrictions can be the experience of Nord Stream-1 (SP-1).
      - We can recall the experience of Nord Stream 1, which for a long time could not be loaded at full capacity. In the past two years, it has been loaded at more than 100 percent of the rated capacity: not 55, but 58,5 billion cubic meters of gas per year, ”the expert explained.
      The receipt of concessions for the first gas pipeline was the result of the long and hard work of Gazprom and European officials.
      “As the Gazprom representative who worked on issuing the SP-1 permit told me,“ you do not need to consider the Third Energy Package norms as a hostile act towards the Russian Federation, you need to consider them from the point of view of capabilities. With competent work, restrictions can be circumvented, said Frolov.
      The main argument that allowed launching Nord Stream-1 at full capacity was that there were simply no suppliers in Europe that could fill the remaining 50 percent of the pipe.
      - This practice can be extended to SP-2. No one in the region has such capacities except Gazprom, ”the specialist emphasized.
      Given these factors, Stanislav Mitrakhovich suggested that ultimately, both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 will be brought to full capacity. The main task now is to physically complete the gas pipeline itself. So far, laying the remaining 100-kilometer stretch has been slowed down by US sanctions.
    8. cat Rusich 3 May 2020 21: 52 New
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      To create the TrubaProm concern, which will own SP-2, one can come up with “horse moves” for a long time - it’s easier to say the EU: “For every tricky” 5th point “Gazprom has a threaded pipe”.
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      Well, Duc, and SP-1 works on the same conditions. 100%, not 50.
  • primaala 3 May 2020 13: 40 New
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    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners

    Already ... it didn’t work out. Germany refused to complete the construction of SP-2.
    Sounds like BesogonTV is right. Everything goes to the point of destroying a federal country called Russia.
    Sad.
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      Confirmed data on the arrival of the Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel in Kaliningrad
      wow! we’ll live right now! "economy" ... good
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        wow! we’ll live right now! "economy" th ... good

        In Ukraine, rather no than yes)))
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          Quote: loki565
          wow! we’ll live right now! "economy" th ... good

          In Ukraine, rather no than yes)))

          Urals so ... what does the "outskirts"?
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            And they are on the drum. The main thing is to find some kind of enemy and parasitize on it.
    2. New Year day 3 May 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: primaala
      Everything goes to the point of destroying a federal country called Russia.

      so we kind of got off the "oil and gas needle?"

      And if you get down, how much nerves we spend on some pipe with some kind of gas!
      Or did Medvedev lie?
    3. iouris 3 May 2020 23: 22 New
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      Everything goes to the point of destroying a federal country

      Feudal?
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      But what didn’t work out? https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/693758-693758
  • UserGun 3 May 2020 14: 40 New
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    Yes! Now it’s healing !!! )))
    1. Grandfather 3 May 2020 15: 00 New
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      Quote: loki565
      wow! we’ll live right now! "economy" th ... good

      In Ukraine, rather no than yes)))

      Well, orally ... (no teeth?)
  • Sharky 3 May 2020 16: 44 New
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    It is reported that today the "Academician Chersky" moored in the port of Kaliningrad.

    Finally, the "Academician Chersky" entered the Baltic Sea and today anchored in the port indicated above.

    Yes, he did not moor in the port of Kaliningrad, but dropped anchor (standing on the roadstead) near Baltiysk, the naval base of the Navy.
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      [quote = Sharky] [quote] It is reported that today the "Academician Chersky" moored in the port of Kaliningrad. [/ quote]
      [quote] Finally, "Academician Chersky" entered the Baltic Sea and today anchored in the port indicated above. [/ quote]
      Yes, he did not moor in the port of Kaliningrad, but dropped anchor (standing on the roadstead) near Baltiysk, the naval base of the Navy.

      On 17-00 03.05. 20 g. So a little clearer hi
  • Aleksandr21 3 May 2020 16: 58 New
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    I hope everything works out. Good luck Spite to partners


    In order for everything to work out, you need a political decision to complete the SP-2 by Academician Chersky, now such a decision (at least officially) has not been made, there is speculation on the topic that the vessel can complete the SP-2, but there are no official confirmations from Gazprom or other superior persons, for now it’s only known that the ship initially went to Kaliningrad to continue repair and modernization, but then either it will be sent to complete Sakhalin-3 or sent to SP-2 (but with a recent decision by the German authorities, the chances of completing the pipeline are delayed, if at all not canceled), so it’s premature to rejoice so far.
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    I hope everything works out.

    And what can fail if it is precisely the “pipe layer”?
    Another question: what, now the pipe will go to Kaliningrad?
  • Range 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    Well checked after long wanderings. Now they will equip them on a labor shift ... in spite of dishonest ko ... am (don’t think badly - “competitors”).
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      Well checked after long wanderings.

      with the clock of the Saudis "checked"? .. well .. yes ... (Freud)
  • Klingon 3 May 2020 12: 50 New
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    Now the dill and pshekah gasp and begin to ride in impotent rage wassat
    1. wellaut 3 May 2020 12: 55 New
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      Gallop?))) Urgently they begin to assemble brigades to bury Gdansk Bay.
    2. Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 12 New
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      Now the dill and pshek are gasping and galloping in wassat's impotent rage

      For pshekov - I will not say. And the “dill” - there’s nothing to jump about. laughing
      The first of a new portion of tasty and nutritious plush to Gazprom and other project participants has already arrived:
      The Federal Network Agency of Germany plans to reject the Nord Stream 2 (Nord Stream 2) application for exemption from the EU gas directive, which also requires the separation of gas supplying companies and gas transportation companies.
      According to the document, which the regulator sent to the participants in the process, the gas pipeline does not meet the prerequisites of the Federal Republic of Germany law on the energy sector, which would free it from regulation.
      The joint stock company Nord Stream 2 AG sent an application in early 2020.
      Theoretically, the possibility of exemption from regulation is provided for by the laws of the Federal Republic of Germany, but applies only to gas pipelines that were completed before May 2019. The Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline was not completed.
      The joint-stock company’s application cited the argument that the concept of “completed” or “completed” does not need to be interpreted narrowly, but this was not enough for the regulator.

      Well, add a juicy smear to the oil painting a very probable expansion of US sanctions. Given that this is in relation to legal entities - usually cross-sanctions ...
    3. Piramidon 3 May 2020 13: 47 New
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      Now dill .... stink

      "Dill" already bargained for 5 years freebies. But they predicted that this year the delivery of the pipe in the secondary industry.
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      Now the dill and pshekah gasp and begin to ride in impotent rage wassat

      yes let them groan, the main thing is that you are well! good
  • Yaro Polk 3 May 2020 12: 52 New
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    Well, half the work has already been done, it can already be said, to equip it (I think a couple of months), and then let him lay the pipes, accompanied by some sort of naval carves of the Russian Navy, you can have a couple of diesel submarines, if the depth allows.
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      Quote: Yaro Polk
      You can a couple of diesel submarines, if the depth allows.

      "diesels" is easy .. almost. although why? Baltic-trap. Shallow water viewed without glasses.
  • Pvi1206 3 May 2020 12: 55 New
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    Russia's "partners" will not stop attacking this project (through Poland, Ukraine, etc.) even if the construction is completed ...... But after the construction is completed, Russia will have more room for maneuver in the field of gas sales to Western Europe ... .and there, you look, and the weather will contribute to us ...
    1. Maas 3 May 2020 13: 09 New
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      They are even ready to adjust the navy, if only to complete it, if only to sell gas, if only not through Ukraine).
    2. Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 13: 16 New
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      Your “counter-partners” in this matter will manage well both without Ukraine and without Poland. Here artillery brigades "play" with a larger caliber. Great and special power, I would say. smile
    3. ccsr 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: Pvi1206
      "partners" of Russia will not stop attacking this project (through Poland, Ukraine, etc.) even if the construction is completed .....

      In terms of pumping volumes, they really can’t calm down until the gas contract with Ukraine ends, and even later they will put pressure on Brussels. But now the May transit gas contract with Poland will end, and then we will see what the Poles will sing.
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Russia will have more room to maneuver in selling gas to Western Europe ..

      This is the main goal of this pipeline, which in a few years will still reach its design capacity. But you have to pay for it - what is the price the question is open today, and no one knows how the situation will be with the closure of nuclear energy in Germany and the depletion of gas reserves in the North Sea.
      Quote: Pvi1206
      and there, you look, and the weather will contribute to us ...

      The hot summer will also lead to a surge in gas demand due to the use of air conditioners, and there you look and winter in Europe will help us - as they say, "God will not give, the pig will not eat." I think that all the current moans about the completion of the gas pipeline are sucked out of the finger, especially since its service life is thirty years at least, and during this period we will cover all current costs many times. If only they could not find cheap alternative energy sources during this time.
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        But now the May transit gas contract with Poland will end, and then we will see what the Poles will sing.

        If once again the Gazprom managers do not screw up.
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        Quote: ccsr
        If only they could not find cheap alternative energy sources during this time.


        What a fellow you are! Everything for people! In other words, let them be worse if only they would be able to row loot from them with a shovel and not let competitors))) Well, the standard logic of the modern system in the Russian Federation, based on buddies close to the thought giant and the father of Russian democracy headed by a flock of cranes)))
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          Quote: UserGun
          What a fellow you are! Everything for people! In other words, let them be worse, if only they would be able to row loot from them with a shovel and not let their competitors

          I’m not an altruist and I’m not going to worry about consumers of our gas - on the contrary, the more they need our gas, the better for us. If you are holier than the popes, then this is not for me, but go to some almshouse and preach about the common good.
          Quote: UserGun
          Well cho, the standard logic of the modern system in the Russian Federation, based on friends, close to the giant of thought and the father of Russian democracy, led by a flock of cranes

          If the Soviet general secretaries were guided more by these principles, we would still live in the Soviet Union and, moreover, much better than those who do not have gas.
          Your demagogy only indicates an inadequate assessment from the point of view of materialism and an understanding of historical development.
          1. UserGun 4 May 2020 13: 48 New
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            Quote: ccsr
            Your demagogy only indicates an inadequate assessment from the point of view of materialism and an understanding of historical development.


            Yes, whoever you can’t see in the local panopticon))) ... Judging by these phrases from the days of "developed" sisialism, a demagogue half-dead got out of the cave and there, oops, completely different times))) You are there in your cave, at ray, so on and continue to study the era of "historical materialism" and the correspondence of Karl Kautsky)))
            1. ccsr 4 May 2020 15: 51 New
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              Quote: UserGun
              Judging by these phrases from the days of "developed" sisalism, a demagogue half-dead got out of the cave and there, oops, completely different times

              So you are an ordinary verbiage that crawled out of the lumpen thanks to the Internet, because people like you in the era of socialism are unlikely to let anything serious happen.
              Quote: UserGun
              You are there, in your cave, at a torch, and so on and continue to study the era of "historical materialism" and the correspondence of Karl Kautsky)))

              If you had a little understanding of historical materialism, then you would not have been whining that you had not broken off any crumbs from the master's table, because you got what you deserve.
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                Oh how !!! ))) Well, goodbye, the "scientist" from the dugout, EPT))) Prev to the "developed" sisialism and the SS who escaped from the Bose !!!
                1. ccsr 4 May 2020 16: 10 New
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                  Quote: UserGun
                  Preved to the “developed” sisialism and the deceased in the BoseE eseseseria !!!

                  Typical slump of lumpens - I immediately understood who I was dealing with.
                  1. UserGun 4 May 2020 16: 19 New
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                    Well, if you read the correspondence of Karl Kautsky and in vain, to and from the place, to heap, sculpt the humpback with "historical materialism", then you should certainly know that the lumpen and created your eseseriya and notice, also, with joy, her buried))) Together with the courses of "political economy", which is so troubling to everyone))))
                    1. ccsr 4 May 2020 16: 28 New
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                      you should certainly know that the lumpen and created your eseseriya

                      Nonsense - the lumpen cannot create a theory and build a new state because of their ignorance and backwardness. They are just the mass that needs to be managed in order to achieve the set goal, which was proved during the October Revolution, when a small group of members of the RSDLP seized power.
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        Hot summers will also spur gas demand due to the use of air conditioners

        and so we live in the hope of either Polovtsian or Pecheneg, and now, on-conditioners laughing
        Not a country, but a stall selling oil and gas. Where is the economy? Where is the normal export? Where are the promises ...

        Maybe it’s enough to live with illusions, and the government begin to work?

        However, it’s too late now
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          and so we live in the hope of either Polovtsian or Pecheneg, and now, on-conditioners

          Just don’t stupid - there are latitudes where summer electricity consumption is higher than winter, and Crimea, by the way, lies close to them.
          Quote: Silvestr
          Not a country, but a stall selling oil and gas. Where is the economy?

          Where did you get the idea that this is unprofitable, even if the Americans realized how profitable it is to trade energy? Again you want us to go beyond the global development trends, but it is not clear which way? By the way, we ourselves need gas, and moreover, this is not such a production requiring a large number of human hands.
          Quote: Silvestr
          Maybe it’s enough to live with illusions, and the government begin to work?

          Read less slogans, and better sometimes turn on your brains and think how we can withstand a hostile world, and what we must do to have this in order to have money for the development of the military-industrial complex. As for the government, then go work for it yourself - unless of course they take it.
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            Quote: ccsr
            to have money for the development of the military-industrial complex.

            Can industry establish in the country? The doctor gave you a direct example, and not the slogan quoted.
            First of all, money should go to the good of the people, and the military-industrial complex is one of the components of the good, but no more.
            The pipe should be an auxiliary tool of the economy, and not the main source. hi
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              Can industry establish in the country?

              So it is being established through investment. And where to get them if they don’t give us money to develop our industries? That is why they primarily develop what is required abroad and for which they are prepared to pay. And the USSR did not disdain this either.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The pipe should be an auxiliary tool of the economy, and not the main source.

              I agree with this, but I have not seen the line of those who want to buy our Gazelle in the west, but there is always a demand for our air defense systems. Therefore, you just need to correctly use the situation, and not to fight in hysteria that they everywhere have imposed us and will not let us go anywhere.
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            if even the Americans realized how profitable it is to trade energy?

            The dependence of the US economy on oil amounted to 7,6%, a maximum of at least 10%.
            According to the results of 2018, Russia's dependence on oil and gas trade amounted to 46% (Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation).
            In 2019, exports from the USA amounted to goods of group 2710 “Oil and oil products obtained from bituminous rocks, except for crude ...” - 5,32%.
            3,97% (USD 65 billion) - 2709 - Crude oil and crude oil products derived from bituminous minerals
            3,41% (USD 56 billion) - 8703 - Passenger cars and other motor vehicles intended primarily for the transport of people (except motor vehicles of heading 8702), including utility wagons and racing cars
            2,61% (USD 43 billion) - 8708 - Parts and accessories for motor vehicles of headings 8701 - 8705
            2,45% (40 billion USD) - 8542 - Electronic integrated circuits
            1,85% (USD 30 billion) - 2711 - Petroleum gases and other gaseous hydrocarbons
            1,83% (USD 30 billion) - 8525 - Transmitting equipment for broadcasting or television, whether or not including receiving, sound recording or reproducing equipment; television cameras, digital cameras and camcorders
            1,8% (USD 29 billion) - 9018 - Instruments and devices used in medicine, surgery, dentistry or veterinary medicine, including scintigraphic equipment, other electromedical equipment and devices for researching eyesight
            1,71% (USD 28 billion) - 8471 - Computing machines and their blocks; magnetic or optical readers, machines for transferring data to information carriers in encoded form, and machines for processing such information, not elsewhere specified or included
            Did you catch the difference? What does Russia export like and to whom?
            At the same time, evaluate the size of budgets

            Quote: ccsr
            Read less slogans, and better sometimes turn on the brain ...

            which you do not have for the reason that you are inadequately behaving and positioning yourself. Less Solovyov and Kiselyov look
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              The dependence of the US economy on oil was 7,6%, a maximum of at least 10%.

              And you do not use relative numbers, but physical volumes of sales - then you can guess who the leaders in the world are now.
              And do not forget that the United States is a country more than two times larger in number with a smaller territory, and the infrastructure and climate there are not the same as ours.
              Quote: Silvestr
              Less Solovyov and Kiselyov look

              I don’t watch them anyway, so don’t suffer - I like Norkin’s discussions more.
              Quote: Silvestr
              which you don’t have for the reason that you’re behaving inappropriately

              Maybe I’m behaving inappropriately, but I’m not cheating, unlike you, who decided that Russia should necessarily be compared with the United States in terms of economic potential. Is everything all right with your head, or did the struggle with Kiselyov and Solovyov finally destroy sanity?
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              . The dependence of the US economy on oil was 7,6%, a maximum of at least 10%.
              According to the results of 2018, Russia's dependence on trade in oil and gas amounted to 46% ...
              etc. etc.
              Well, the fact that you posted this "footcloth" does not mean that you yourself understood this pun.
              For fun, compare the energy consumption of Russia with the "leading economies." Maybe this will tell you something. And this is only a special case, but indicative.
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      ..But having completed the construction, Russia will have more room for maneuver in the field of gas sales to Western Europe .... and there, you see, and the weather will contribute to us ...

      if only the "gas station worked" for the benefit of the Millers and the Sechins, and the hedgehog with them? maybe better to build factories?
      1. ccsr 4 May 2020 11: 14 New
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        maybe better to build factories?

        Do you define your children at the plant or will guest workers work there? And then I look in the subway constantly offering studies for 30 thousand rubles and guarantee salaries from 65 to 110 thousand rubles to drivers, but still can not solve the problem with staff. Does this at least tell you something?
  • knn54 3 May 2020 13: 03 New
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    What is happening is not only a challenge to Gazprom. Russia's reputation is at stake.
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      Quote: knn54
      What is happening is not only a challenge to Gazprom. Russia's reputation is at stake.

      It is not in vain that such a howl in Kiev and the State Department is ...
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        About three days ago, the skakuas here jumped higher than themselves, trying to prove that Chersky was returning to Nakhodka!
        1. Golovan Jack 3 May 2020 13: 55 New
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          About three days ago, the skakuas here jumped higher than themselves, trying to prove that Chersky was returning to Nakhodka!

          Right Here is a live example:

          Quote: Silvestr
          run the risk of running into an embargo for failure to comply with the signed agreements. Don't know why Chersky turned back? Is Nord Stream 2 no longer relevant?

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          About three days ago, the skakuas here jumped higher than themselves, trying to prove that Chersky was returning to Nakhodka!

          What’s wrong with where he goes?
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            Skakuasov feel sorry for the poor, jumped.
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        Quote: knn54
        What is happening is not only a challenge to Gazprom. Russia's reputation is at stake.

        It is not in vain that such a howl in Kiev and the State Department is ...

        Meehan ... have already hungover ...
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      What is happening is not only a challenge to Gazprom. Russia's reputation is at stake.

      like a gas station? og ...
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        You still live and live up to this "gas station".
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      At stake is Russia's reputation.

      you are mistaken hi
      At stake, unfortunately, is Russia's survival. "Having lost their head in the hair do not cry"
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      At stake is a reputation

      At stake is existence. The reputation institution has already been destroyed.
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    1. sabakina 3 May 2020 13: 22 New
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      It’s not just Chersky, but some kind of Zorro ...

      Well, right “Zorro” ... I would say Denis Davydov!
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        Not ... Ivan Susanin! )))
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    About such zigzags of this ship, you can safely write an adventure book! I think he will work under the "roof" of the Russian Navy ...
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      Quote: sabakina
      About such zigzags of this ship, you can safely write an adventure book! I think he will work under the "roof" of the Russian Navy ...

      The hunt for him was not frail and is still .. The Russians are not giving up and will finish everything that they planned ..! This is a matter of principle .. soldier
      1. YOUR 3 May 2020 13: 35 New
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        What kind of hunt? Continuously including the network printed where it is. They wanted to intercept it without problems.
        All these zigzags are associated with one, so that until they reach the place of sanction they have not imposed, otherwise difficulties will arise with gas stations and parking lots. And he did not come to the place of work, but to the port of Kaliningrad. What will happen next is covered in fog.
      2. ver_ 3 May 2020 13: 41 New
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        ... you can’t spread the principle on bread .. how many * grandmas * burned out ...
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        Quote: Count
        The hunt for him was not frail and is still going on.

        who needs it? Everything is decided in the offices. Maybe they wanted to take him for an abortion? laughing
        Fritz have already decided everything - build on their grandmas, but 50% of the pipe will be empty
    2. Grandfather 3 May 2020 14: 39 New
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      Quote: sabakina
      About such zigzags of this ship, you can safely write an adventure book! I think he will work under the "roof" of the Russian Navy ...

      add for whose money, and for the good of whom ...
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        Certainly not yours. Someone else’s money is not good.
    3. Maestro 3 May 2020 16: 17 New
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      Yes there were no "zigzags" ... "Chersky" walked along the shortest possible route, because and over the Suez and over the Kiel Canals, non-movable bridges hang, and it has a "vertical clearance" of about 70 meters.
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        The bridge over the Suez Canal is 154 meters high, the Kiel Canal, so there is not one Rendsburg High Bridge. The height above the water is 42 meters. It is not clear why should he go there? Moreover, with its length of 150 m it does not fit too well in the dimensions of the channel and locks.
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      Quote: sabakina
      I think he will work under the "roof" of the Russian Navy ...

      ashore decision request
  • meandr51 3 May 2020 13: 12 New
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    Most likely, his submarine covered.
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      Quote: meandr51
      Most likely, his submarine covered.

      wassat belay laughing + a couple of Bears and about a dozen Armats, on the next bulk carrier !! fool
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      Quote: meandr51
      Most likely, his submarine covered.

      and we were worried about the whole country ..
    3. Maestro 3 May 2020 16: 24 New
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      there weren’t any nuclear submarines - otherwise the accompanying tug SB-123 wouldn’t have had to do a 15-mile return maneuver when the Danish ship for oil spill control headed for Chersky

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        That’s what it turns out to be ... But I didn’t understand why the Security Council was returning back ... Sinful ... I also spied on their journey. And also for Chicker and Parshin ... hi
  • svp67 3 May 2020 13: 13 New
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    With the arrival of ... Good luck and success in your work
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  • Guards turn 3 May 2020 13: 17 New
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    When there will already be such news: "Academician Chersky" under the cover of "S-400" and "Caliber" successfully completed the "Nord Stream-2". The first gas entered Germany and everyone shook hands.
  • Ros 56 3 May 2020 13: 17 New
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    The game of ship thimbles was a success. Now roll 130 kilometers of pipes and hello to the Bandera savages. Let the leaves from the sunflowers to the belt tie and jump until they turn blue.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 3 May 2020 13: 26 New
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      Ros 56, not everything is so simple .. The contract with the forelocks has been signed and must be implemented. Although, when doing, you can find reasons for termination. But then again: judicial prospects are very vague .. Here we must think. Think hard ..
  • dgonni 3 May 2020 13: 18 New
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    Well came and glory to all the saints. But the fun is only just beginning. It needs to be equipped. Naturally, there are no domestic developments and analogues. So you need to buy over the hill. Europe disappear immediately. No one in their right mind takes delivery. China and Asians remain. Plus, you need a shipyard where all this action will happen. Well, the cherry on the cake. This is what the Danes would recognize equipment suitable and certified to work in their economy zone. The same goes for the skills of the pipe-laying team.
    So our song is good, sing it first.
    So before the middle of 2021 does not grow together. And this is if everything will be favorable, which is not hard to believe .. And given that SP-2 has already in fact dropped out of the exceptions that do not fall under the energy supply. That meaning in completion is only prestige
    1. Maestro 3 May 2020 16: 40 New
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      lies. The bunker Fotruna laid the initial 13 km of the pipeline - so our specialists have the experience and development and operation of equipment for welding and laying pipes of this diameter.
      In principle, she could have completed the construction - a kilometer a day, subject to coupling with a tug with a dynamic positioning system. At the end of May, the weather will "settle down" in the Baltic, and together they will complete the laying of the "pipe" in a month.
      And they don’t care what they “take” for “energy packages” ... SP-1, too, was initially forbidden to run at full capacity ... And now it plows 110%
      1. dgonni 3 May 2020 17: 19 New
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        Did Fortune lay the pipeline in the Danish economic zone? The fact that you think that the academician’s crew has competence does not concern the opinion of the Danish regulatory authorities. And SP-1 did not fall under the charter by any means. For SP-2, Merkel, by the power of her authority, extended an exception. And then with reservations that until June of this year he will be accepted into the operation.
        The second time they do not subscribe to this.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 3 May 2020 13: 22 New
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    This would be, an academician, yes a year ago, to the pipeline ...
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      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      This would be, an academician, yes a year ago, to the pipeline ...

      Only here, the lawyers of Gazprom also interfere.
  • Connor MacLeod 3 May 2020 13: 26 New
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    Great news! Ideally, of course, it would be necessary to make a branch to Denmark, Holland and Belgium (as well as England and France potentially), so as not to depend on Germany. The need for the Balkan stream.
  • Antidote 3 May 2020 13: 28 New
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    Build is half the battle.
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      Quote: Antidote
      Build is half the battle.

      check and checkmate to our managers, in which the brain is melted with fat. And they were not destined to understand what they would not let build (put into operation), but I am glad about this, since this may be the beginning of the end of the country - pipes!! maybe everything will start to raise the industry?
      although this government is not able to do anything, except to introduce exactions for citizens and try to import goods + sit on a pipe and dream
    2. Connor MacLeod 3 May 2020 13: 55 New
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      Yes, the Germans bring down 100% of the price of gas. Now it would be cool to agree with the Danes. Or at least just create the appearance of negotiations with Denmark, so that the Germans put on their pants.
      1. Piramidon 3 May 2020 15: 06 New
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        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        Yes, the Germans bring down 100% of the price of gas. Now it would be cool to agree with the Danes. Or at least just create the appearance of negotiations with Denmark, so that the Germans put on their pants.

        How much gas does Denmark need there? 5 cylinders per year. This is not China. What did the Germans suddenly put in “pants”? request
        1. Connor MacLeod 3 May 2020 15: 11 New
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          Well 5 cubes for sure. Plus, it will be possible to extend the pipeline further through the territory of Denmark to the Netherlands and Belgium (consumption of 36 and 17 cubic meters per year, respectively). Potentially also to France (44 cubic meters) and England (78 cubic meters).
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        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        Yes, the Germans bring down 100% of the price of gas. Now it would be cool to agree with the Danes. Or at least just create the appearance of negotiations with Denmark, so that the Germans put on their pants.

        Germans agree with Danes faster than with Gazprom
      3. alexmach 3 May 2020 19: 17 New
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        But where to bring it down, it goes in the wake of the price of oil.
        In the next 5 years, SP-2 will not be exactly loaded at 100%, there is simply no European need for such volumes, taking into account Ukrainian transit.
        And there you look, either the Europeans completely shut down the nuclear power plant, or the Ukrainian transit end is finally covered. In general, a long-term project may be. In the meantime, from him one loss and nothing more
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          Quote: alexmach
          In the next 5 years, SP-2 will not be exactly loaded at 100%, there is simply no European need for such volumes, taking into account Ukrainian transit.

          Yes, that's exactly what will happen, due to the fact that we turned our hands with Ukraine.
          Quote: alexmach
          And there you look, either the Europeans completely shut down the nuclear power plant, or the Ukrainian transit end is finally covered.

          This is a favorable forecast for us and it is real.
          Quote: alexmach
          In general, a long-term project may be. In the meantime, from him one loss and nothing more

          Long-term investments will never beat off quickly - these are the laws of the economy, so we will be guided by them with such a huge investment of money in our projects.
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            Yes, that's exactly what will happen, due to the fact that we turned our hands with Ukraine.

            And of course it was a long time ago. Europeans for 5 years sang that it was necessary to preserve Ukrainian transit, and even the GDP was reluctant to agree with them for 5 years.
            Long-term investments will never beat off quickly - these are the laws of the economy, so we will be guided by them with such a huge investment of money in our projects.

            Exactly. And a quick “victory” is not worth the wait. And so, of course, the development of infrastructure is a waste. But there is a nuance - Europe has been grinding its teeth on this infrastructure a long time ago. They are not even against her sniffing. About all these energy pacts and not about some American liquefied gas there. Nobody really needs him there.
  • venik 3 May 2020 13: 28 New
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    "... It is reported that today the" Academician Chersky "moored in the port of Kaliningrad. ...."
    =======
    Well! And even here, in VO, some "figures" (we will not poke a finger) have already "raised a wave": they say - "...turned back !, doesn’t go to any Kaliningrad! ..... All this is bullshit!... "
    It’s interesting that today they are “not heard” and “not visible” ..... Probably, they are being prepared stealthily by “throwing slippers” .....
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      Usually, Khrushchev’s descendants throw boots. wink laughing
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        Quote: Spectrum
        Usually, Khrushchev’s descendants throw boots. wink laughing

        ========
        So then Khrushchev's "descendants"! They not only throw their boots, but they can also knock on the platform ....
        But the descendants of Novodvorskaya, Shenderovich, and Dvorkovich — even shoes not to be lifted with this — for them the most difficult “weapon of the proletariat” (sorry “liberal-dermocratic intelligentsia”) are slippers! Moreover, they can be thrown only stealthily! (when the one to whom they throw it doesn’t see! And it’s dangerous because it’s possible to ogre!)
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          Duc, this is Khrushchev’s leaven. They say that if boiled mushrooms are boiled in three waters, then they become edible, but this practice does not correct them. We need a new Stalin, albeit in "like gloves," but Stalin, to restore order. Until they discover this liberalism, Russia will not be allowed to develop normally.
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            Quote: Spectrum
            Need a new Stalin let in like glovesbut Stalin, to restore order.

            =======
            good Another would argue - I will not! drinks
            Oh, now the "slippers will fly" .... Although the article is yesterday ..... Maybe they won’t reach ..... wink
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              Quote: venik
              Quote: Spectrum
              Need a new Stalin let in like glovesbut Stalin, to restore order.

              =======
              good Another would argue - I will not! drinks
              Oh, now the "slippers will fly" .... Although the article is yesterday ..... Maybe they won’t reach ..... wink

              Slippers are fine, they can fly here, which is more fun ..
              Here it’s scary even to write the names of politicians, they are immediately trampled upon by the crowd and you are a corpse .. hi drinks
    2. Avior 3 May 2020 15: 19 New
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      Yes, it’s not only here, the whole Internet was full of it.
      The Akademik Chersky pipe layer belonging to Gazprom, which was being considered for the completion of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, headed for Nakhodka.

      https://riafan.ru/1271383-ekspert-obyasnil-zachem-truboukladchik-severnogo-potoka-2-vozvrashaetsya-v-rossiyu
      MOSCOW, April 26 - RIA News. The Akademik Chersky pipe-layer pointed a course to Nakhodka ...

      The Russian pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, which was being considered for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, headed for Egypt on Sunday, RIA Novosti reported.

      The Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel goes around Denmark and returns to the port of Nakhodka, from which it left in February of this year.

      http://kapital-rus.ru/news/377573-akademik_cherskii_vozvraschaetsya_v_port_nahodki/
      hi
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        Quote: Avior
        Yes, it’s not only here, the whole Internet was full of it.
        The Akademik Chersky pipe layer belonging to Gazprom, which was being considered for the completion of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, headed for Nakhodka.

        https://riafan.ru/1271383-ekspert-obyasnil-zachem-truboukladchik-severnogo-potoka-2-vozvrashaetsya-v-rossiyu
        MOSCOW, April 26 - RIA News. The Akademik Chersky pipe-layer pointed a course to Nakhodka ...

        The Russian pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, which was being considered for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, headed for Egypt on Sunday, RIA Novosti reported.

        The Akademik Chersky pipe-laying vessel goes around Denmark and returns to the port of Nakhodka, from which it left in February of this year.

        http://kapital-rus.ru/news/377573-akademik_cherskii_vozvraschaetsya_v_port_nahodki/

        People do not read newspapers. Even Golovan laughing
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      Nikulin, Vitsin, Morgunov left the forest .... And they went back.
  • Super 3 May 2020 13: 29 New
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    Good news! Work brothers!
  • Mountain shooter 3 May 2020 13: 39 New
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    So much has been wound around this topic that until I hear that the last joint has been welded and pressure tested, it will be restless in my soul. Now because of the pandemic and the warm winter, there may be massive speculation around gas supplies. It is worth starting to return to demand - everyone in Europe who puts sticks in the wheels will instantly change hands in the jump. Recently, we have observed such retraining many times ...
  • Courier 3 May 2020 13: 47 New
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    There is no longer any economic sense to complete JV 2, only half of the volume (27.5 million cubic meters) can be pumped from Russia. The remaining 27.5 million under European antitrust law must be pumped by another company (not Gazprom). But legislatively in the Russian Federation, to all other companies pipeline gas export prohibited.
    "Academician Chersky" belongs to Gazprom itself, if the ship starts laying pipes, all Gazprom will automatically fall under US sanctions, with the seizure of foreign currency accounts, in all American and European banks.
    1. Maestro 3 May 2020 16: 53 New
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      economist Fuck, ... read the analysis from a specialist and calm down
      https://pikabu.ru/story/okupaemost_severnogo_potoka_1_nam_naglo_vrali_7239826
      ! - (
  • Lord of the Sith 3 May 2020 13: 49 New
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    According to anyone, it is necessary that the pipe layer be guarded day and night, to conduct anti-sabotage measures.
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      Alarming to us for the stacker! He is a jackal in the west like a bone in his throat ...
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    At last. And well, and finally, the stream of empty articles should end ....
    The truth is now another may begin .... how is he doing something there or not doing ....
    Alas...
  • Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 14: 42 New
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    I can assume that they are not saying anything to us. Technical characteristics of Chersky allow laying 5 km of pipes per day.
    Cranes:
    main SWL 1200 t (33 m) + SWL 600 t (29 m) = SWL 1800 t (27 m)
    auxiliary 2 x SWL 40 t (40 m)
    Pipe Laying System - S-lay. Stinger (lower arrow) two-section, length - 120 m
    Pipe laying speed - up to 5 km / day

    It remains to lay 130 km.
    According to some reports, it remains to lay about 130 km of the pipe along the bottom of the sea, after which the new gas pipeline will be considered ready for operation.

    Using the mathematical method, you can easily determine that construction can be completed in 26 days (roughly speaking - a month, any one of your choice). But we read:
    According to experts, work on building a gas pipeline using the Akademik Chersky vessel may take several months.

    It remains to ask the "specialists": "Here is the expression:
    It was previously reported that Nord Stream-2 will be completed in 2020.

    has any weighty arguments or is this sparrow word from Mr. Miller?
    I understand that coronavirus and other causes will affect the delivery time of SP-2. But I can’t even guess how much.
    And all this talk about blocking the transit, about “we would give them” against the background of Naftogaz’s payment of a fine of $ 2, looks like babble.
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      It remains to ask the "specialists": "Here is the expression:
      It was previously reported that Nord Stream-2 will be completed in 2020.

      has any weighty arguments or is this sparrow word from Mr. Miller?

      and where to rush? The gas price in Europe fell after oil, 50% of the pipeline’s capacity to transport gas was not allowed
      1. Ross xnumx 3 May 2020 17: 10 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        and where to rush?

        Sylvester, welcome! drinks
        Therefore, I am in no hurry to believe everything that is written. I remember very well a bunch of broken copies around the delivery of SP-2 until the new 2020. Now it seems that the rush could happen if you need to "tear the claws." And all these SP-2, and other breakthroughs are not so important. Only therefore, you can write everything that comes to mind - anyway, no responsibility.
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    It was previously reported that Nord Stream-2 will be completed in 2020.
    I doubt very much until they finish building, then there will be courts about a monopoly, everything will be shorter. According to Handelsblatt, on Friday the Federal Network Agency of Germany decided to refuse Nord Stream 2 AG to withdraw the project from the requirements of the updated EU Gas Directive.

    The German energy market regulator decided that Nord Stream-2 must comply with European competition standards: the gas supplier (Gazprom) cannot simultaneously own the pipe.
  • 7,62h54 3 May 2020 14: 55 New
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    Only 130 km of pipe at a maximum laying speed should be in time for a month. This is without taking into account the breaking and bribing of "partners".
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    Quote: lexus
    The “fasteners”, like the “skakuasas,” each clung to their “gas drive”, looking for a saving straw for a drowning man in them. And somewhere, boasted, "getting up from your knees": science, industry, agriculture, arms exports? Everything is clear - in the duplex. Getting down from the “needle”, they planted it even deeper. May the hope of the hopeless not leave!
    "Crane of Fate", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Aleksey Vladimirovich Kudelin), A wonderful folk artist


    LOZHKIN FULFILLS WHAT IT WILL ARRIVE TO HIM. YOU CAN'T EVEN THIS. LOOK THERE ANYTHING IS SAID.
  • vkd.dvk 3 May 2020 15: 13 New
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    Quote: 7,62x54
    Only 130 km of pipe at a maximum laying speed should be in time for a month. This is without taking into account the breaking and bribing of "partners".

    Why, you ask, in a hurry? Remember the movie "Formula of Love". How did the blacksmith say that with such a difficult job without an assistant in any way. There are five years to tinker with gas expectations in Europe, without tricks of the race. Let them shudder at every crazy miscarriage of an egg-musician. And let the prices for the penguin liquefied gas blush. Perhaps the cracks between the crumbling EU will deepen. The epidemic once again showed how united these jerks are.
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      If the country's economy did not depend on the export of resources, then it would be possible to think, but the “partners” are ready to offer LNG yesterday, and their own little box offers only to tighten their belts.
  • Maas 3 May 2020 15: 54 New
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    Ukrainians are desperately doing everything possible so as not to lose transit and making money on it ... The Russians are desperately trying to complete SP2 in order to take this money from the Ukrainians.
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    Quote: Maas
    Ukrainians are desperately doing everything possible so as not to lose transit and making money on it ... The Russians are desperately trying to complete SP2 in order to take this money from the Ukrainians.

    Take money from Ukrainians. Nonsense. Three billion for a transit penny. Gaining independence from the vagaries of the Nazis. Blackmailing both West and East. And to build their policies on the interdependence only between BUYERS and SUPPLIERS, excluding Freeloaders, the Fifth Wheel in the Cart.
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    Quote: Antidote
    If the country's economy did not depend on the export of resources, then it would be possible to think, but the “partners” are ready to offer LNG yesterday, and their own little box offers only to tighten their belts.

    Export of energy carriers brings less profit than export of grain, weapons, and other things that we sell. Reduced profits stimulate the restoration of production of goods with greater value. Our wealth is our curse preventing us from becoming an industrialized state. Let it stay with us. But let the difficulties that arise increase the incentives for a new industrialization.
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      Quote: vkd.dvk
      Our wealth is our curse

      The curse is compradors.
  • iouris 3 May 2020 17: 14 New
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    It is not a fact that this pipelayer complies with the mandatory requirements laid down by the European Commission for pipelayers. Can it really be possible to talk about all possible ways of sabotaging the construction of SP-2 on the last miserable fifty kilometers and then: money is wasted (I write about this with pain in my heart, although Gazprom is a private enterprise, I am not a shareholder).
  • Klingon 3 May 2020 18: 58 New
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    Szkvar Skakuas diaspora minus all wassat
  • vkd.dvk 4 May 2020 00: 16 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: vkd.dvk
    Our wealth is our curse

    The curse is compradors.

    Nonsense.
    80-plus years of socialism with its economy, COSTS, invented not by compradors, but by the ideologists of communism, led to the collapse and collapse of the country.
    Costly - not a journalistic reception, but the basis. The prices of any product were determined by the cost of its production, plus overhead, plus profit. There is no influence of the desire of the buyer, there is no pressure from competitors. All the ways from the manufacturer to the buyer are registered, which are not allowed to be violated. Where does the desire to save on the consumption of raw materials come from, since at the same time costs are reduced, and, consequently, the price. The State Committee of Prices of the country allows profit, depending on the type of industry, up to 24% per year. Saving materials, energy, labor can suddenly increase profits above the allowed. And the price will be cut, and, quite possibly, during the year. In this case, the production plan in pieces will be implemented. and in volume (rubles) never. The company's management is aware of this and will never do that. Failure to fulfill the plan in gross indicators is the most important, for which they were shot in Beria’s times.
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      Do not worry. I do not know the court decision on the reasons for the dissolution or destruction of the superpower of the USSR. Apparently, he has not yet concluded. And the "invisible hand of the market" has long dried up.
  • kig
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    No matter how Denmark suddenly remembered that it gave permission for a project in which a completely different vessel participated.
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    and how liberdia rejoiced when the sailors set their destination Nakhodka. without even looking at the site exactly where the ship is moving
  • vkd.dvk 4 May 2020 16: 07 New
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    No matter how Denmark suddenly remembered that it gave permission for a project in which a completely different vessel participated.

    Do you get permission to do some work, exclusively with your left foot? But if you coped right, then do not count and do not pay? If you work in a circus, then perhaps it will be so. But with the laying of the pipe there are no conditions to make it ONLY this steamer. Or others. Not the process is paid, but the result. That is, a pipe laid according to the rules. The process can last for centuries. But do you agree to pay for centuries what has not been done, but only done?
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    Quote: iouris
    Do not worry. I do not know the court decision on the reasons for the dissolution or destruction of the superpower of the USSR. Apparently, he has not yet concluded. And the "invisible hand of the market" has long dried up.

    Have you already taken on the functions of God? Do not know, do not know. Show off your ignorance? Are you out of your mind?
  • vkd.dvk 4 May 2020 20: 43 New
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    Quote: nycsson
    How did you all break through here? X..if nothing, I want to ask you all? Do you throw hats again? Has this ship started laying? No! What does it do in Kaliningrad when it should be on the other side of the gas pipeline off the coast of Germany?

    What are you doing here? You need to be on the other side of Russia, in Magadan. Guard the seals.
  • Metallurg_2 5 May 2020 12: 45 New
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    We got the same. What sanctions will the “partners" answer this time?
  • UserGun 5 May 2020 22: 50 New
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    Quote: ccsr
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    you should certainly know that the lumpen and created your eseseriya

    Nonsense - the lumpen cannot create a theory and build a new state because of their ignorance and backwardness. They are just the mass that needs to be managed in order to achieve the set goal, which was proved during the October Revolution, when a small group of members of the RSDLP seized power.


    Those. the bulk of the people, according to your historical materialism, ordinary lumpen are untimely ?! ))) Wonderful you are our dialectic, from the plow)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Here is one more reason why the EEEeriya perished without having lived even 70 years (it is dear to it, people live more), thanks to these “dialectics” with “historical materialism” in the anus, who didn’t put ordinary people pennilessly, only would only be in charge and
    move your hand.