Armored car K4386 "Typhoon-Airborne" goes on state tests

State tests of the new amphibious armored vehicle "Typhoon-Airborne Forces" for the Airborne Troops will begin in the near future. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

In the near future, developers will begin state tests of prototypes, based on which a decision will be made on adopting automotive equipment for formations and military units of the Airborne Troops

- said in a statement.

In August last year, the Remdiesel enterprise, which developed this armored car, reported that new equipment would begin to enter the troops no later than 2020. Prototypes of the Typhoon K4386 armored car have successfully passed factory and military tests, minor flaws identified during the tests have already been fixed.

As previously reported, the armored car "Typhoon-Airborne" K4386 made according to the scheme "bearing armored hull." Wheel formula 4x4, ceramic armor, provides protection in the fifth class. Also, the armored car is able to withstand an explosion of up to 6 kg of TNT under the wheel, and 4 kg under the bottom. As an armament, a large-caliber machine gun “Kord” is installed on the Typhoon-Airborne Forces on a turret or other weapons, depending on the tasks performed. It is possible to install a remotely controlled combat module with a 30-mm gun.

The machine is capable of parachuting from VTA aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

According to published information, the weight of the machine is 13,5 tons. Diesel engine "KAMAZ" with a capacity of 350 hp Speed ​​- up to 100 kilometers per hour. An armored car is capable of overcoming steep slopes of up to 30 degrees, and water barriers up to 1,9 meters deep. Cruising on the highway - 1200 kilometers.

Comments

[Doctor]

In the next branch, a four-axle, 7-ton "Tiger" got stuck on the side of the road. And this one weighs 2 times more.
What is his specific ground pressure, I wonder ...

[Pessimist22]

Often lay out how tanks get stuck, different, maybe they are easier to do so as not to get stuck?

[hydrox]

Why don’t you suggest concreting country roads?
And to drive an armored car into a swamp or a quicksand does not require a lot of cleverness, but DO NOT DRIVE - you have to be a "pro"!

[Doctor]

And to drive an armored car into a swamp or a quicksand does not require a lot of cleverness, but DO NOT DRIVE - you have to be a "pro"!

Have you seen the video with this "Tiger"? What a swamp there is in this desert.
Just pulled over to a wet roadside ...

And I doubt that a "zero" driver with their salaries was behind the wheel.
Physics cannot be fooled.

[ApJlekuHo]

If a "ram" is driving, he will drown the tank in a puddle, the human factor does not depend on the salary. There are few specialist drivers, not good technology.

[Doctor]

If a "ram" is driving, he will drown the tank in a puddle, the human factor does not depend on the salary. There are few specialist drivers, not good technology.

Have you watched the video? There are 3 (three) Tigers. And all 3 are stuck.
That some "rams" were sent to Syria?

[ApJlekuHo]

Have you watched the video? There are 3 (three) Tigers. And all 3 are stuck.
That some "rams" were sent to Syria?

Do not confuse horseradish with a finger. A typhoon is an armored car, not a transporter who is blown up by a clapperboard. He has no tasks to ride through the swamps. Most likely it will move the command staff. Such a technique will not go round anyone, it will move ..
Who cares how many "Tigers" were there? They all had orders, and they all relied on technology. I personally knew the mechanized drivers who, with their eyes closed, forced the most terrible swamps on "loaves", an experienced driver is guided by a very simple but "golden" rule - "I'm not sure - don't overtake."

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

What a swamp there is in this desert. Just pulled over to a wet roadside ...

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Not a fig to yourself "wet roadside"!

There, by the way, the Yankees themselves got stuck:

Well, HOW do you, my dear, here is SUCH a desert ???

[Doctor]

There, by the way, the Yankees themselves got stuck:

They are also 4-axle.

Well, HOW do you, my dear, here is SUCH a desert ???

And how do you like such a cross?

[poquello]

Quote: Arzt

And how do you like such a cross?

let me ask, but how did you sniff 66?

[Doctor]

let me ask, but how did you sniff 66?

Regularly, for 2 years both in the back and in the cab, including along forest roads, where there is dirt on the side.
This tiger is heavy for 2 axes.
A typhoon generally krants. 14 tons is KAMAZ loaded. But there are 10 cylinders on 3 axles.

[poquello]

Quote: Arzt

where the dirt is on board.

I do not believe, on belly 66 the same machine as everyone else, sitting tightly pulled out figs, a chance to slip through the top of the swamp at 66 or armored vehicles only at high speed and then small

[Doctor]

I do not believe, on belly 66 the same machine as everyone else, sitting tightly pulled out figs, a chance to slip through the top of the swamp at 66 or armored vehicles only at high speed and then small

I rode here in this version:

It is slightly worse than the standard one, but it still trailed along the axles along the axes without problems.
In a clean swamp, of course, everything will be drowned and tracked including, except for the swamp.

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

And how do you like such a cross?

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Well, in terms of cross-country ability - "sheshik" - it's all out of competition! I VERY RESPECT this machine in the army! I had a chance to ride them (our stations were on the GAZ-66 chassis.
But he has one serious "problem" - he is NOT RESERVED! He even had anti-personnel mines - "with his head"!

[Doctor]

But he has one serious "problem" - he is NOT RESERVED! He even had anti-personnel mines - "with his head"!

Of course. This is a balanced military truck.
But the Tiger and Typhoon are supposedly military armored vehicles.
That's just the designers forgot about the patency of military vehicles.
These are all really banal things, they were discussed and tested about 70 years ago, when they thought about armored personnel carriers.
But the new generation does not read old books.
Stupidly copied Iveco and all things.

[Victorio]

Quote: Arzt

That's just the designers forgot about the patency of military vehicles.

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It seems no more stupid than us. as for two bridges, sometimes two are preferable to three.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Arzt

Of course. This is a balanced military truck.
But the Tiger and Typhoon are supposedly military armored vehicles.

Tiger and Typhoon Airborne Forces is a respected armored car. You do not see the difference between an armored car and an armored car in its purest form. Sit comparing a simple truck with an armored car not in 14 tons, as you sing here, but in 11. Of these 11 tons, tons of armor are hung there 3.
Typhoon's tasks are completely different. Che you here sit about patency babble? Tanks and bumps and armored personnel carriers and even just people get stuck.

Quote: Arzt

That's just the designers forgot about the patency of military vehicles.

The designers forgot to ask you what to do and develop. According to your not quite healthy logic, the best SUV is a helicopter.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: NEXUS

Typhoon's tasks are completely different.

And why not?

[Doctor]

Typhoon's tasks are completely different.

Forget about airborne assault forces in war, this is for training.
Even if they do not get knocked down along the way, this Typhoon will plop into a wet meadow and where to run after the tractor?

not at 14 tons, as you sing here, but at 11.

According to published information, the weight of the machine is 13,5 tons

Che you here sit about patency babble?

High specific pressure on the ground, the car was created for the highway. Serdyukov was going to buy them in Italy for 50 billion and put light assault brigades into them to fight in forests and swamps. Did not have time. But his work lives on.
https://vpk.name/news/77079_nuzhny_li_iveco_v_rossii.html

The designers forgot to ask you what to do and develop.

They forgot to ask the military, it was generally developed for the Arabs, then they were interested in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and now they got to the Armed Forces.

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

Stupidly copied Iveco and all things.

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WHY IS IVECO? Neither "Tiger" nor "Typhoon" have ANY relationship to Iveco LMV! From the word GENERAL!

[Aag]

The mass is not the same.

[hydrox]

Dear, do not pay attention: it’s just such a breed of people who believe that their three-piece opinion can change something in this life.
A large ditch by the road, to the top full of water, SCREAMS that the soil is waterlogged, and the Americans have very well chosen a place for an ambush.
Based on an understanding of the situation, it was necessary either to take measures to push American equipment into the ditch, or to retreat with dignity, but in no case to fall into the situation that became the target for ridicule of all of NATO.
Just to prevent the Russian army from getting into ridiculous situations with its drivers, it is enough only ONE time to conduct a large car exercise in a situation that repeats the Syrian situation one to one, but takes place on salt marshes located on the southern and western borders of the Novosibirsk region in those places where The NSO adjoins the Altai Territory, Kazakhstan and the Omsk Region (this is about one THOUSAND km!), Where in bad weather only THREE international (Omsk-Pavlodar, Barnaul-Semipalatinsk) and federal roads (Omsk-Novosibirsk) and thousands of directions, only in dry weather. But it is worth passing through a downpour (or rain lasting a day) - and these directions become impassable even for tanks (salt marshes) - this is where you should teach the driving skills of contract drivers of the Russian Army, whose life and the success of military operations depend only on the wheels of their "horses" ALL kinds of running vehicles, so that they do not fall out of the blue in funny situations.

[Aag]

"it is enough just ONE time to carry out a large car exercise"
Not once, and by no means large. Large, a waste of time and money. There should be planned work on the preparation of mech-water. In general, I don’t know how it is now, there used to be a principle - the commander should be able to drive all the samples the technical department entrusted to him. The skill level, of course, could vary greatly. Did you ever see how the GAZ-24 crawls where Kruzak sits down (for example)?

[hydrox]

I rode around the training ground of the Novosibirsk All-Arms Command (I was picking mushrooms) and I can responsibly declare that this is not a training ground and this is not a practice for the mechanic drivers of modern combat vehicles - we see the result in the Syrian photo :: the lack of common sense among the mechanic and his leadership led to such a deplorable result.

[Doctor]

Dear, do not pay attention: it’s just such a breed of people who believe that their three-piece opinion can change something in this life.

An article on the military-industrial complex of Mikhail Barabanov, scientific editor of the magazine "Export of arms":

https://vpk.name/news/77079_nuzhny_li_iveco_v_rossii.html

It's about Iveco, like a class of cars. The author talks about the uselessness of Lynx's purchases because we already have a tiger.
Excerpts:

"It is now known that the massive purchase of the same light armored vehicles" Lynx "is caused by the plans of the military department to create in the Russian army several so-called light brigades, which will move entirely on light armored vehicles. As a basis for these brigades, it is planned to use the existing airborne assault In this regard, since 2010, the states and methods of using such a light brigade have been working out on the basis of the 56th separate airborne assault brigade deployed in Kamyshin in the Volgograd region. "

"Thus, the LMV is essentially a lightweight version of the MRAP class vehicle with enhanced mine and anti-explosive protection. This was the innovation of the Iveco product when it was born a decade ago. However, the flip side of mine protection is significant mass for a car of such a small capacity (maximum five people), limiting mobility and patency LMV off-road. "

“And here the question arises about the advisability of using this machine as the main means of transporting personnel of light and reconnaissance brigades of the Russian army. Should these brigades move exclusively along the highway? No, as can be judged, domestic military planners propose to use the same light brigades as highly mobile formations capable of conducting combat operations on a wide front, operating in small groups, making rounds of flanks and infiltrations, using raid tactics, and being used as forward and reconnaissance detachments. . "

“Here, however, it is appropriate to ask the question of the validity of the very concept of light brigades for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, especially due to the transfer to jeeps and light armored vehicles of airborne assault brigades. Where does our military department plan to wage Toyota wars in Russian conditions? Which opponent? By and large, in Russia, neither the terrain, nor the climate, nor the nature and level of potential adversaries contribute to the effective use of such forces. "

These are all echoes of Serdyukov's rule. On such a wheelbarrow it is normal for inspectors to fly along the highway from the airfield to the headquarters of the group, where they then "pump up" the military.
And then if Americans are not met along the way.

[hydrox]

In the Syrian photo, not the export of arms, but the result of the driver’s skill of a woe-driver ...

[hydrox]

Well, that’s all: the chiefs of the sofas got out to hunt on asphalt fields with minuses at the ready!

[hydrox]

And do you want to rush with him?
Only a puzzled city fry full of "tank" battles will try to "slip" through the swampy arable land in spring, autumn and after prolonged rains - after all, from the road you can see that the terrain is passable only for fans with skirts!
So after all, the commander of this mechanic drive must be returned to the 2nd year of the school, which will organize additional. safari course "Transportation of personnel across salt marshes, swamps, tundra and other impassable roads" with a state examination at a rate on time - there are such places in Russia! The state examination should be carried out in the form of a competition of the "tank biathlon" type with a large number of spectators in uniform and with personalized entrance tickets (platoon, company, battalion and regimental commanders) at the training ground more difficult than Alabinsky.

[svp67]

Quote: Pessimist22

Often lay out how tanks get stuck, different, maybe they are easier to do so as not to get stuck?

In most cases, the jam is not due to the low properties of the vehicles, but due to poor preparation of drivers, drivers need to be better prepared both in driving and in knowledge of the materiel, they did not just put the pumping of wheels on military vehicles ...

[Doctor]

Often lay out how tanks get stuck, different, maybe they are easier to do so as not to get stuck?

Yes, everything gets stuck, but in different ways.
Ground pressure (mass to contact area) is a key indicator of cross-country ability on soft soils.
Caterpillars were invented for tanks in order to evenly distribute a huge mass.
Therefore, this pressure is less than that of a car and it is passable.
The t-90 - 0,85, the Lada - 1,3.

Do you want to personally feel what specific pressure is?
Take a board and fill it with 200 nails with a frequency of 0,5 cm.
Stand on this hedgehog.
Then take another board, fill it with 6 nails with a frequency of 4 cm.
Try to get on this ...

[Civil]

Already, to be honest, lost in all these Tigers, Wolves, Typhoons)

[svp67]

Quote: Arzt

In the next branch, a four-axle, 7-ton "Tiger" got stuck on the side of the road.

With a fool you can break a lot. There was nothing for the driver of the "Tiger" to go on the track of the "Typhoon". You look and would not be disgraced, but if I still knew how to use the swap system, then in general ...

[Doctor]

With a fool you can break a lot. There was nothing for the driver of the "Tiger" to go on the track of the "Typhoon". You look and would not be disgraced, but if I still knew how to use the swap system, then in general ...

Yes, even pumping will not help, the mass is too large.
And this fool with a headline generally 13 tons. It will cut through any soil, except for concrete.

Here is an article from the BTVT about the specific pressure of military vehicles.
If you are too lazy to read further immediately conclusion.

http://btvt.info/5library/drive.htm

"Armored wheeled vehicles weighing more than 10 tons most often have high ground pressure and can often move away from roads only in very dry weather or severe frost. An armored personnel carrier, which cannot reach the combat area during rain, additionally forces the infantry, already bearing the brunt of the battle, to a long march on foot. "

[svp67]

Quote: Arzt

Yes, even pumping will not help, the mass is too large.

I will not say anything about the new car, but she could help the "Tiger" get out of the mud

[Bat039]

I always wrote that the tracked vehicles have a higher cross-country ability, which is proved by numerous comparative tests and an attempt to replace the BMP-3 with something cheaper and less complete will only be to the detriment of the army and airborne forces of the Russian Federation !!!

[Doctor]

I always wrote that tracked vehicles have a higher cross-country ability, which is proved by numerous comparative tests and an attempt to replace the BMP-3 with something cheaper and less complete will only be to the detriment of the Russian army and airborne

Yes. BTR-80 distributes its 14 tons into 8 wheels, and this is probably the limit. A vehicle to the compartment with reliable armor (30 cm), KAZ and light weapons (23 mm automatic gun, AGS, PKT) will weigh at least 15 tons, which means it should be tracked.

And in general - the bicycle has already been invented, you don’t need to think, take it, copy the base, hang up KAZ, AGS, 23 mm cannon and go!

[knn54]

Bat. Caterpillar equipment for the Airborne Forces ???

[Shadow041]

BMD-1, BMD-2 were made specifically for the Airborne Forces and on the tracks and did the right thing! During the war there will be no roads, there will only be directions and here the wheels will be off topic ...

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

In the next branch, a four-axle, 7-ton "Tiger" got stuck on the side of the road.

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There, by the way, the BTR-82 is also stuck! And even in the high cross-country four-axle 80-ok doubt - no doubt!

[Doctor]

There, by the way, the BTR-82 is also stuck! And even in the high cross-country four-axle 80-ok doubt - no doubt!

Yes, they have a better deal with specific pressure. Already wrote above 14 tons on 8 wheels.
And this landing "Typhoon" will have the same 14 tons on 4 wheels.
They will throw him with parachutes on spring plowing and what next?
Not far away he will leave.

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

And this landing "Typhoon" will have the same 14 tons on 4 wheels.

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By the way, 13-14 tons is practically STANDARD weight for armored vehicles of the 4th class of protection according to STANAG (not only ours, but also all foreign ones). Less - DOES NOT GO!
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Quote: Arzt

They will throw him with parachutes on spring plowing and what next?
Not far away he will leave.

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Well, if you don’t have a mind, then you can drop airborne equipment into the swamp and swamp .... AND FAR, will she leave after that?
But the fact that the Army needs such technology (heavy BA) is very necessary - so it is SIGNIFICANT!
If ballistic protection on light "Tigers" was achieved, then mine protection - Alas! "Tiger" can only hold 0.6 kg of TNT (and then under the wheel). So, in addition to it, a heavier armored car is simply needed, capable of holding large-caliber bullets and detonating a sufficiently powerful VU!

[Doctor]

So, in addition to it, a heavier armored car, capable of holding large-caliber bullets and undermining a sufficiently powerful WU, is simply necessary!

The armored car can’t stand the shell. Then in addition, and the tank at the same time.

[venik]

Quote: Arzt

So, in addition to it, a heavier armored car, capable of holding large-caliber bullets and undermining a sufficiently powerful WU, is simply necessary!

The armored car can’t stand the shell. Then in addition, and the tank at the same time.

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Well, we have enough tanks ....... But armored cars of 4-6 protection class - alas, no!
PS By the way, according to STANAG, ballistic protection of BA 5 and 6 levels of protection and must withstand the impact of 23 mm and 30 mm shells, respectively!

[tarakan]

Why do you feel bad Typhoon?

[ZaDedov]

A rhetorical question.
Many already know the answer.

[_Sergei_]

And since when did the Tiger become 4-hawkish?

[Doctor]

And since when did the Tiger become 4-hawkish?

A typo came out, biaxial of course.

[Timon2155]

6-7 tons per axle is considered acceptable for military equipment.

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, it is a truck, not a jeep. And there are loads of up to 9t per axle.

[fa2998]

Maybe attach 1-2 "pencil cases" with ATGM to the place.? They weigh a little. It will come in handy, especially since this is a landing, they work autonomously.

[Shadow]

Using this armored car against a tank is something from the "summer 1941" category. .

[Pessimist22]

With a gun in general, a serious armored car.

[Zaurbek]

He would have a gun with a "short" 30mm or better 40mm round. This cannon is heavy for such a machine. The Americans put on such a technique a 30mm cannon with a short projectile (like on the Apache)

[rocket757]

Sap arable land, clay clay, swamp, for almost any bad driver of any equipment, it’s only a matter of how far it will have to rub behind a tractor, or even a BAT with a winch!
Specifically, for such a technique ... the armies of all countries are preparing for what specifically, you will not always understand, but this is clearly something rapidly changing! Demanding highly mobile units.

[senima56]

Finally! And then they will show at the Parade. Brag. And then another years like that ....... they bring it over, they test it, and when it’s still in the series it’s not known!
I believe that if at one time Korolev, Ilyushin, Kalashnikov and others worked the same way as our design engineers do now, we would still be launching Belok and Strelok into space, flying on the Il-18, and in the Army with PPSh marched.

[Mayak-SH-7]

Will this at least overpower the border or not? Another footcloth from Russia)).

[Victorio]

Quote: Mayak-SH-7

Will this at least overpower the border or not? Another footcloth from rf)).

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not to compare with dill

[CommanderDIVA]

Iveco, Tiger, Typhoon, what else is there next in line? Why is there such a raznosortitsa in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in a car of this class and is there any need for this? Recently, a topic was discussed here with the possible adoption by the National Guard of a Lebedev pistol, despite the fact that the Yarygin pistol has already been adopted by the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Defense wants to accept the Boa pistol. How long will this bacchanalia in the sphere of adopting unified mass weapons models be going on?

[Evil 55]

Specific vertical pressure on the propeller will allow this "miracle" of the Russian defense industry to move only on a horizontal surface along roads with improved coverage .. and in Russia, it is only within the Moscow Ring Road, and with the exit on May 9 to Red Square ..

[Aag]

You can plant any technique, no questions asked. The level of training of the l / s raises concern. Either the carrier blurted out: "Don't drift, commander!" Or, on the contrary: "Che got up? Go around on the right!"
No, in order to walk with my legs, dig deeper between things (I am silent about the penetrometer) ...

[Evil 55]

what other penetrometer ... Revyakin's hardness tester and "hollow cylinder drilling method" in hand, as usual ..

[Zaurbek]

Diesel engine "KamAZ" 350 hp

Is this some kind of old turbo diesel or new?