Remembering Odessa: six years from the day of the drama in the House of Trade Unions

Six years have passed since that tragic day that divided history Odessa on the "before" and "after". We are talking about the events that took place in this city on May 2, 2014, without leaving indifferent normal people around the world. Normal ...

In Ukraine itself, even then they did everything, and today they do everything so that those events are forgotten, are bombarded with dust of history.

Six years from the day of the clashes on the Kulikovo field, six years from the day of the burning and execution of people in the House of Trade Unions. Dozens of dead. It's like yesterday.

How do Ukrainian media write about this today?

At the moment - nothing ... Large information resources, Ukrainian TV channels so far prefer not to “remind” citizens about what happened in Odessa on May 2, 2014. Even the Odessa city portal does not dare to remind residents of the city of the events of 6 years ago. Instead, it is currently proposed to discuss “news"That there were 5 monuments to Vladimir Lenin in the Odessa region, and that the prosecutor's office on this fact decided to institute a case on violation of the law on" decommunization ".

Who suffered the death penalty?

Of the real culprits - virtually none. And this despite the fact that hundreds of gigabytes of videos are walking on the network, in which all the people involved are shown in close-up, including those who were in the chair of a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament today.

This suggests that the current Ukrainian government continues to flirt with the radicals, not playing, by and large, no role in building statehood. But Ukrainian political scientists, and those who are among the political elites, so like to talk about this statehood, about the “unity of the Ukrainian people”.

This is also a real abuse not only of the memory of people, but also of justice.

Comments

[Pvi1206]

The current government of Ukraine can not punish itself ... the West indulges ....

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pvi1206

The current government of Ukraine can not punish itself ... the West indulges ....

These are the criminals covering the criminals who brought them to power.

The eternal wound and tragedy of Odessa and its citizens.

Glory and memory of the fallen Heroes

[Sky strike fighter]

Today, in my opinion, 6 years of war in the Donbass. On this day, the first assault on Slavyansk began.

[Civil]

The friendship between the Ukrainian and Russian people has been growing for 6 years, the State Department is already tired of thumping with joy from what has been done.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And with whom ,, to be friends,?? .. After the demolition of the monuments, do you still have some illusions? .. In that case, I am sorry for you ..

[Kaetani]

And here are people living in the occupation and what are you saying now? Or what do you think everyone is so wonderful and bold? Brave and courageous? Many have relatives there. And you so easily chop off the master's shoulder - And with whom to "be friends"? Not with power, of course. Not with the creatures that burned and killed. Not with the scum who handed over to the neighbors. And with those people - Russian people and normal Soviet people who, by the will of fate, remained in 91 in the territory under the rule of Mazepa and the like.
Or that, for example, my aunt who was born in 1954 is not worthy to be "friends" with her? You and I did not collect the Russian state, it is not for us to scatter them. And without us there are plenty of freaks. And with such speeches we are only playing into the hands of those who initiated this whole bloody camarilla.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And with whom to "be friends"? Not with power, of course.
And who chose this "power"? ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pvi1206

The current government of Ukraine can not punish itself ... the West indulges ....

The UN called on Ukraine to punish those responsible for the tragedy of May 2 in Odessa

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UN calls for a thorough and impartial investigation

The UN monitoring mission in Ukraine on human rights called on the Ukrainian authorities to punish those responsible for the May 2 tragedy in Odessa that occurred in 2014. This was reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to the statement of the organization.

The UN mission recalled that tomorrow marks the sixth anniversary of the May 2 tragedy in Odessa, when 6 people were killed in the city center and 42 people died during the events on the Kulikovo field.

"All these six years, justice has remained illusory. The families of the victims have the right to truth and justice for the death of their loved ones," the UN said.

So, the organization provided a number of recommendations to the Ukrainian authorities, in particular:

The office of the Prosecutor General should ensure an effective, thorough and impartial investigation of the tragedy and consider the possibility of transferring the leading role in the investigation from the Odessa region police to the Main Investigation Department of the National Police;
The presidents of the respective courts should take all appropriate measures to ensure the completion of legal proceedings in criminal proceedings;
the courts should duly inform all victims, or return prosecutors with indictments to exclude victims who cannot be notified of court hearings, in order to ensure that trials are held without delay;
The Verkhovna Rada needs to consider the possibility of amending the special judicial procedure, which will allow a full review of the case after the arrest of the accused, regardless of whether a sentence has been passed on the case or not
In addition, the UN mission called on the international community to consider providing assistance to Ukraine in investigations regarding the responsibility of suspects in the case.

[APASUS]

Quote: Insurgent

The UN called on Ukraine to punish those responsible for the tragedy of May 2 in Odessa

News »Politics 01.05.2020/21/44 - XNUMX:XNUMX

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Do you seriously believe this, once laid out?
In Ukraine, their own laws do not apply, but here is some kind of UN that recommends investigating the crime of power itself ...................... what are you about

[Insurgent]

Quote: APASUS

Do you seriously believe this, once laid out?
Ukraine does not have its own laws, but here is some kind of UN that recommends investigating the crime of power

Quote: APASUS

what are you about

Let's do without simulated (pretense) courtesy...

"Believe or not believe" is not the category with which one usually approaches the assessments of official documents (in this case, appeals) of the UN monitoring mission.

I DO NOT DO IT AND I.

There is fact statements, I published it for review, and you yourself decide how to evaluate it,no tart comments...

[APASUS]

Quote: Insurgent

There is a fact of the statement, I published it for review, and you yourself decide how to regard it, without stinging comments on the comment ...

There is a serious fact - the UN can only recommend it. And for this reason, the publication of this appeal is not at all. But you perfectly understand that the call to abide by the law, by the gang of Old Man Makhno, will not be noticed ............. ... this is complete nonsense

[Doccor18]

Radical Combat Units
- these are trouble-free soldiers
current government of Ukraine.
They are still needed
each other. Therefore not what
investigations and punishments
will not follow.
Eternal memory to the fallen ...

[210ox]

Six years ... Kremlin disgrace ... But there were our people there. AND! Well yes, not Syrians with this rowing geopolitics

[Ros 56]

What is there to remember, if only during this time, at least six Bandera arsonists multiplied by zero, and only smeared the snot. Well, they have no descendants of Kovpak and Kozhedub.

[Same lech]

I am still amazed at the reaction of the world to this terrible crime ... indifferent, and in some places, someone applauded the massacre of Russian people.
The Kremlin also took a completely incomprehensible position for me ... it is necessary at every meeting with the current leaders of Ukraine to demand real punishment from them for criminals ... nothing is done ... no words ... they burned people and forgot.
The authorities in Ukraine are followers of Bandera’s ideas ... we must help Ukraine with all our might to throw these bastards off her neck and the Kremlin’s policy is somehow duplicitous in this regard.

[kjhg]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The Kremlin also took a position completely incomprehensible to me ...

This means that you absolutely do not understand what the current government is guided by in their politics. Your mistake is that you believe the words of the authorities, and do not judge it by its actions. Yes, she pronounces the right words: patriotism, sovereignty, concern for citizens, etc. Only now she comes, guided by other values.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

it is necessary at each meeting with the current leaders of Ukraine to demand real punishment for criminals ... nothing is done ... no words ... they burned people and forgot.

This will interfere with the business of power - its highest value.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

and the Kremlin’s policies are somehow duplicitous in this regard.

She is not two-faced, she is logical. What is the difference between Putin and Sechin from Poroshenko and Kolomoitsev? Both those and these have the highest goal - power and money. Everything else is secondary to them.

[SeregaBoss]

Well again Putin is to blame? Where do you get such names from? I would ride on the couch with a saber and chop down all the perpetrators!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Serge Boss

Well again Putin is to blame? Where do you get such names from? I would ride on the couch with a saber and chop down all the perpetrators!

Do you think that our Abramovichs, Potanins, Rotenbergs are somehow different from their Kolomojtsevs, powders, Akhmetovs?

[Kronos]

Of course, Kau is not to blame for success; he is always there as failure or tragedy is a boyar

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Serge Boss

Well again Putin is to blame? Where do you get such names from? I would ride on the couch with a saber and chop down all the perpetrators!

Yes, what to demand and expect from Putin. He is what he is and no more. He does not answer for words and promises, and sometimes in general, apparently he learned from Peskov, this carries:
Well, they tried, and they shot and bombed and continue to do this, and what in return? And in response there was a stop of the militia, after the boilers, when the enemy was demoralized and scattered, and of course the apotheosis - slurred Minsk agreements.

PS Oh yes. I forgot to name the culprits. Well, here they are, in the opinion of Mr. Putin himself: Lenin, the Bolsheviks, the Great Patriotic War, the USA (who cheated), the Saudis (when they first trumpeted that there was no sense in this deal for the Russian Federation) and lately there are still claims to the Polovtsi, Pechenegs and knights.
And Putin himself? And Putin never has anything, his position is like that. Work Putin and not answer for anything.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

slurred Minsk agreements

And let's go in detail ... you, too, like "Svarog", like to - in detail?

Quote: A set of measures to implement the Minsk agreements

1. Immediate and comprehensive cease-fire in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation, starting with 00 h. 00 min. (Kiev time) 15 February 2015 of the year.
2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides at equal distances in order to create a security zone with a minimum width of 50 km from each other for artillery systems with a caliber of 100 mm and more, a security zone 70 km wide for MLRS and 140 km wide for MLRS "Tornado-S" , "Hurricane", "Tornado" and tactical missile systems "Tochka" ("Tochka U"):
- for Ukrainian troops: from the actual line of contact;
- for armed groups of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine: from the line of contact according to the Minsk memorandum of September 19, 2014
The withdrawal of the above heavy weapons should begin no later than the second day after the ceasefire and be completed within 14 days.
This process will be facilitated by the OSCE with the support of the Tripartite Contact Group.
3. Ensure effective monitoring and verification of the ceasefire and heavy weapons withdrawal by the OSCE from the first day of withdrawal using all necessary technical means, including satellites, UAVs, radar systems, etc.
4. On the first day after the challenge, start a dialogue on the modalities of holding local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions", as well as on the future regime of these regions on the basis of this law.
Immediately, no later than 30 days from the date of signing this document, adopt a resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine specifying the territory covered by the special regime in accordance with the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts" in the Minsk memorandum of September 19 2014
5. Provide pardon and amnesty by the enactment of a law prohibiting the prosecution and punishment of persons in connection with events that took place in certain regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine.
6. To ensure the release and exchange of all hostages and illegally detained persons on the basis of the “all for all” principle. This process should be completed at the latest on the fifth day after the challenge.
7. Ensure safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to those in need through an international mechanism.
8. Defining the modalities of the full restoration of social and economic relations, including social transfers, such as payment of pensions and other payments (revenues and incomes, timely payment of all utility bills, tax resumption within the legal framework of Ukraine).
To this end, Ukraine will restore management of a segment of its banking system in areas affected by the conflict, and perhaps an international mechanism will be created to facilitate such transfers.
9. The restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, subject to paragraph 11, in consultation and in consultation with representatives of certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
10. The withdrawal of all foreign armed groups, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. Disarm all illegal groups.
11. Conducting a constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of the new constitution, which implies decentralization (taking into account the peculiarities of certain regions of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these regions), as well as the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of certain regions Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures indicated in note 1, until the end of 2015.
12. On the basis of the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions", issues related to local elections will be discussed and agreed with representatives of certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. The elections will be conducted in accordance with relevant OSCE standards, monitored by the OSCE / ODIHR.
13. Intensify the activities of the Tripartite Contact Group, including by creating working groups to implement relevant aspects of the Minsk Agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Tripartite Contact Group.

Note 1. Such measures, in accordance with the Law "On the Special Procedure for Local Self-Government in Certain Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Regions", include the following:
- exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons related to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the right to language self-determination;
- The participation of local authorities in the appointment of heads of prosecutors and courts in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the possibility for central executive bodies to conclude agreements with the relevant local authorities on the economic, social and cultural development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- The state provides support for the socio-economic development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- assistance from the central authorities of cross-border cooperation in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions with regions of the Russian Federation;
- the creation of detachments of the people's militia according to the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the powers of deputies of local councils and officials elected in the early elections appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by this law cannot be prematurely terminated.

Members of the Tripartite Contact Group:

Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini
Second President of Ukraine L.D. Kuchma
Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine M.Yu. Zurabov
A.V. Zakharchenko
I.V. Carpenter

 Source

https://ria.ru/20150212/1047311428.html

I understand multi-buff ... but you already try to master. And then explain substantively - where exactly are these agreements "indistinct"?

Waiting for

PS: How do you manage, we can talk about Putin. How do they work, and what is responsible for?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

slurred Minsk agreements

And let's go in detail ... you, too, like "Svarog", like to - in detail?

Quote: A set of measures to implement the Minsk agreements

1. Immediate and comprehensive cease-fire in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation, starting with 00 h. 00 min. (Kiev time) 15 February 2015 of the year.
2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides at equal distances in order to create a security zone with a minimum width of 50 km from each other for artillery systems with a caliber of 100 mm and more, a security zone 70 km wide for MLRS and 140 km wide for MLRS "Tornado-S" , "Hurricane", "Tornado" and tactical missile systems "Tochka" ("Tochka U"):
- for Ukrainian troops: from the actual line of contact;
- for armed groups of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine: from the line of contact according to the Minsk memorandum of September 19, 2014
The withdrawal of the above heavy weapons should begin no later than the second day after the ceasefire and be completed within 14 days.
This process will be facilitated by the OSCE with the support of the Tripartite Contact Group.
3. Ensure effective monitoring and verification of the ceasefire and heavy weapons withdrawal by the OSCE from the first day of withdrawal using all necessary technical means, including satellites, UAVs, radar systems, etc.
4. On the first day after the challenge, start a dialogue on the modalities of holding local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions", as well as on the future regime of these regions on the basis of this law.
Immediately, no later than 30 days from the date of signing this document, adopt a resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine specifying the territory covered by the special regime in accordance with the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts" in the Minsk memorandum of September 19 2014
5. Provide pardon and amnesty by the enactment of a law prohibiting the prosecution and punishment of persons in connection with events that took place in certain regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine.
6. To ensure the release and exchange of all hostages and illegally detained persons on the basis of the “all for all” principle. This process should be completed at the latest on the fifth day after the challenge.
7. Ensure safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to those in need through an international mechanism.
8. Defining the modalities of the full restoration of social and economic relations, including social transfers, such as payment of pensions and other payments (revenues and incomes, timely payment of all utility bills, tax resumption within the legal framework of Ukraine).
To this end, Ukraine will restore management of a segment of its banking system in areas affected by the conflict, and perhaps an international mechanism will be created to facilitate such transfers.
9. The restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, subject to paragraph 11, in consultation and in consultation with representatives of certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.
10. The withdrawal of all foreign armed groups, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. Disarm all illegal groups.
11. Conducting a constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of the new constitution, which implies decentralization (taking into account the peculiarities of certain regions of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these regions), as well as the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of certain regions Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in accordance with the measures indicated in note 1, until the end of 2015.
12. On the basis of the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary order of local self-government in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions", issues related to local elections will be discussed and agreed with representatives of certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group. The elections will be conducted in accordance with relevant OSCE standards, monitored by the OSCE / ODIHR.
13. Intensify the activities of the Tripartite Contact Group, including by creating working groups to implement relevant aspects of the Minsk Agreements. They will reflect the composition of the Tripartite Contact Group.

Note 1. Such measures, in accordance with the Law "On the Special Procedure for Local Self-Government in Certain Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Regions", include the following:
- exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons related to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the right to language self-determination;
- The participation of local authorities in the appointment of heads of prosecutors and courts in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the possibility for central executive bodies to conclude agreements with the relevant local authorities on the economic, social and cultural development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- The state provides support for the socio-economic development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- assistance from the central authorities of cross-border cooperation in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions with regions of the Russian Federation;
- the creation of detachments of the people's militia according to the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
- the powers of deputies of local councils and officials elected in the early elections appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by this law cannot be prematurely terminated.

Members of the Tripartite Contact Group:

Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini
Second President of Ukraine L.D. Kuchma
Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine M.Yu. Zurabov
A.V. Zakharchenko
I.V. Carpenter

 Source

https://ria.ru/20150212/1047311428.html

I understand multi-buff ... but you already try to master. And then explain substantively - where exactly are these agreements "indistinct"?

Waiting for

PS: How do you manage, we can talk about Putin. How do they work, and what is responsible for?

1) Minsk agreements are indistinct to those that no one has executed them, is not fulfilling and is not going to fulfill. Shelling and now occur almost daily.
2) But the favorable moment for the military defeat that existed at that time of the junta was lost.
3) So that you would not continue to carry foul nonsense about the political independence of the Donbass and their choice that they feel better and that they themselves signed it. And your Putin has nothing to do with it.
I bring in advance the negotiations of Surkov and Boroday, where Surkov directly says - I did not look, we messed up with this constitutional act of New Russia.


PS It is a pity that you do not live under shelling in the Donbass. And then, being under fire and would broadcast about - oh, what wonderful Minsk agreements.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

1) The Minsk agreements are inaudible in that no one has complied with them, is not fulfilling and is not going to fulfill

Enough, you've already won the contest. So - against the document, as such, you have nothing to say about the campaign. Then you, according to the custom of the goblin, begin to spin and dance.

By the way, the number of shellings has become much less than it was before the "Minsk", dispute. Total:

1. - partially completed. Cant in Ukraine.
2. - Completed completely. Hailstones, Hurricanes and other heavy things are not in business.
3. - whether completed or not. In any case - a jamb on the OSCE.
4 - 8. - not completed. Cant in Ukraine.
9. - not completed and will not be executed until 4 and 11 are completed.
10 - 13. - not completed. Cant in Ukraine.

What's wrong, what's wrong? "Hot", a real war has been translated into something sluggish, responsible for Ukraine - its delegates, Germany and France ... what, goblin, is it wrong, in your opinion?

Quote: Leshy1975

But the favorable moment for the military defeat that existed at that time of the junta was lost

That's bullshit. To propose to occupy, in fact, Ukraine-this is, goofy, feverish nonsense.

Quote: Leshy1975

And your Putin has nothing to do with it

Putin is not mine, he is his own. And he, moreover, is already Uzbek.

Quote: Leshy1975

It is a pity that you do not live under shelling in the Donbass

I always knew that you were a kind guy, a devil. But it's not about who lives and where, but specifically about the document, which for some reason you called "indistinct"

[orionvitt]

Quote: Serge Boss

Where do you get such names from?

Do not pay attention, this is a hamster bulk instructional quoted. You might think that for Navalny, the highest goal is not power and money. Hodor, he’s generally an altruist.

[LKWUE]

But to Russia all this is beneficial in fact, and for many reasons. Therefore, they are silent and pretend that someday it will resolve itself by itself.

[sergo1914]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The Kremlin also took a completely incomprehensible position for me ... it is necessary at every meeting with the current leaders of Ukraine to demand real punishment for criminals from them ...

IMHO. It was necessary to resolve the issue on their own. As tough and cynical as possible. To piss from one thought. Remembering. But alas.

[prior]

The answer for Odessa is all Bandera Ukraine.

[Sayan]

Until Odessa again becomes a Russian city, the perpetrators will not be punished.

[knn54]

With this tragedy, Poroshenko and Co. began their journey to "European values" in the "European family."

[Vladimir_2U]

The investigation into this case is the same criminal farce as the investigation into the Boeing case.
Without instituting a criminal case, the TFR of Russia, nothing can change about this. But since Poroshenko recognized the legitimate prez of Ukraine, this is unrealistic.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and what will change if the RF IC starts a criminal case:? and on what basis? citizenship will issue retroactively?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and what will change if the RF IC starts a criminal case:? and on what basis?

Reasons: mass killings for political reasons; crime against humanity; concealment of the number of deaths; false accusation of the Russian Federation in the organization of Odessa events. What consequences? The ability to either demand the extradition of suspects, or to call as witnesses, including through Interpol. And in the event of a refusal to organize a semblance of the Hague court, or to recognize the invalidity of it and similar decisions, using just such refusals as a precedent.

[Kronos]

There are already things for Yatsenyuk, for example, and they will only make them laugh

[Non liberoid Russian]

isn’t it funny? until there the course changes, all these voiced Wishlist only Wishlist

[monah]

Sorry to ask, and on what basis do mattresses start business? And they not only bring them to their homes, and they give deadlines! So say no right? Not right, but no strength!

[revnagan]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Without instituting a criminal case against the TFR of Russia

Oh-oh, what about the criminal cases against Serdyukov and his mistress? And with their numerous followers? "Long live our Soviet court!"

[Vladimir_2U]

Why did you drag the Soviet court?

[Borz]

I want to say this ...
In Odessa, people remember May 2, they do not forget, because you cannot forget this. But it is the people, and not the raguliak that has flooded Odessa "writing peremogi on the Maidani." Every year, and this year is no exception, the Nazis arrange provocations on this mournful day for Odessa residents. This year, the SBU announced that it had detained a group of separatists coordinated from Russia (and where else, ha-ha), who were preparing a rally on May 2. During the search they seized maps (!) Of Novorosiya, stickers with the inscription "Odessa-Russian city", etc. Everything is as always, in general.
In Odessa, no one has long hoped that the crime will be investigated on May 2, 2014. Power is cowardly and completely controlled by the Nazis. Another example is the killer Sternenko is still roaming free. The authorities do nothing. But we remember. These crimes have no statute of limitations.

[monah]

Quote: Borz

I want to say this ...
In Odessa, people remember May 2, they do not forget, because you cannot forget this. But it is the people, and not the raguliak that has flooded Odessa "writing peremogi on the Maidani." Every year, and this year is no exception, the Nazis arrange provocations on this mournful day for Odessa residents. This year, the SBU announced that it had detained a group of separatists coordinated from Russia (and where else, ha-ha), who were preparing a rally on May 2. During the search they seized maps (!) Of Novorosiya, stickers with the inscription "Odessa-Russian city", etc. Everything is as always, in general.
In Odessa, no one has long hoped that the crime will be investigated on May 2, 2014. Power is cowardly and completely controlled by the Nazis. Another example is the killer Sternenko is still roaming free. The authorities do nothing. But we remember. These crimes have no statute of limitations.

One immodest question. The numerical composition of raguliak filling and Odessa? Are there really more of them? And once there was Odessa!

[Borz]

Unfortunately, I do not have statistics, but "mova" has filled Odessa streets and shops, this is a consequence of the "popedradniki" policy, creeping expansion is yielding results. And the indifference of a certain stratum of the indigenous population largely stimulates Ukrainization. I have repeatedly spoken about the reasons for the dominance of raguli in Odessa.

[samarin1969]

Neither legally, nor in any other way, the Russian leadership did not react in any way to the "Odessa Khatyn". It is difficult to imagine that any other state would treat the lives of its compatriots in this way. Events from Tajikistan to Donbass remain encouraging impunity for Russophobes.

[Mountain shooter]

A cruel lesson in lies and hypocrisy. Odessa has not forgiven. She was just scared. "Kolomoisky's chicks" just wanted this. I remember how frightened the ukrovolstvo, expecting a reaction to this horror from "enlightened Europe"
And Europe - it is even more hypocritical and false ... Two days later, it began ... They set themselves on fire ...
I will never forget my feeling of helplessness and despair when I looked at the frames, people jump from the windows of a burning house, and they finish them off there ... And they did not punish the guilty! This was a signal to all the scum of VNA. Come on, guys, EVERYTHING is possible.

[bouncyhunter]

I join your words ...
Bright memory ...

[Alex_Rarog]

Land in peace ... And for those devils who arranged this, there is a separate boiler in hell ...

[Altona]

The action, incredible in its cruelty, from the young men of Ukraine against their compatriots who attacked unarmed people. Why did the Russian authorities bashfully remain silent? So people there stood under the red flags. A blessed memory to all the dead.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Altona

Why did the Russian authorities bashfully remain silent?

The consequences of self-destruction of the USSR by the then elite. We went under the Fed, etc.
But shaking the air with useless regrets and protests is of little use.

[Altona]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

But shaking the air with useless regrets and protests is of little use.

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And who is shaking? I asked a rhetorical question, I answered it myself, commemorated the dead.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Why did the Russian authorities bashfully remain silent? .... because polite people come only where the vast majority respects them and also not empty-handed, but yes. the disgrace of Bandera Odessa to forget along the way no one can

[LKWUE]

And if it was Russia that organized everything? By bringing the situation to the boiling point. Would you like to ask a Russian agent under the nickname "Profhfesor" with the surname Yanukovych !?
Everything that happened to Ukraine after the Maidan is beneficial only to one country - Russia. The organization and training of the Natsiks, their sponsorship through the Ukrainian oligarchs, Maidan, Crimea, the house of trade unions, Donbass - all this is one over and above successfully carried out operation of Russia. Better tit in the hands (Crimea, Donbass) than Ukraine in the EU and NATO and possibly a good and equal neighbor and partner. Russia holds Faberge for all geopolitically important neighbors. You can stigmatize Ukrainian Nazis and politicians in righteous anger, only now in Ukraine you will not find supporters of friendship with Russia during the day with fire. I understand you do not need them, you have achieved your goals.
Now you can ban, but only the general choir is important to you, and the voice against censorship cuts immediately.

[Kronos]

This is nonsense to the Russian oligarchs nafik sanctions of the West were not needed

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: LKW UE

What if Russia organized everything? By bringing the situation to a boiling point.

Hmm ... Logic? Analysis? Motive? I didn’t hear ... Something even like laziness to interpret.

[Andrey VOV]

LKW U in Kiev you’re sitting scribbling? There’s absolutely no such thing as writing? Get out of here better than the unclean force Bandera

[anjey]

Nevertheless, this Odessa tragedy is an indirect fault. "collective West".This was both their political orientation and a joint plan to tame the intimidation and terror of the Russian-speaking population of Odessa, as well as the subsequent Jesuit western indulgence to all the organizers and participants of this Nazi crime, which these bastards knew and calmly and orderly went to this is a massacre ....

[Altona]

Quote: anjey

and a joint plan to intimidate and terror the Russian-speaking population of Odessa

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Not only Odessa, but the entire left-bank Ukraine so to speak. It was a demonstration event that even weak attempts to unite to people, not only Russians, in the post-Soviet space, will be brutally suppressed.

[anjey]

Yes, I agree, at one time Yanukovych was afraid to clean up a little blood, fearing a world condemnation, and these Upris, together with the West, drown Ukraine in blood for 6 years and everything is fine in this crazy World. The West is to blame for the support of this Ukrainian Nazi junta.

[LKWUE]

What is the benefit of the collective west from intimidation of the Russian-speaking population of Odessa? So they are all Ukrainians, citizens of Ukraine! All this turbidity with the Maidan, burning people, the beneficiary of all this was only Russia! And the Crimea was taken away, the Donbass was almost torn off and their population was reassured and the arrows were moved, look at what is happening in Ukraine, what creatures are in power and Natsik. And they saved the entire population of Russia — yes, our Crimea, but don’t take the Donbass? But it is not profitable, it is necessary to maintain a frozen conflict, as in Moldova and Georgia? In Ukraine, only a small proportion of sick ukronatsiks are in power, the rest of the Russian people, Ukrainians, Russian speakers are not Russians and are not seeking Russia in any way.

[Alevil]

These were New Russians, essentially Russian people. And it is time for the outskirts to abandon their colony of New Russia. It is not allowed to have the outskirts of the colony.

[anjey]

What is the benefit to the Collective West from NATO expansion ???? After Gorbi destroyed the Warsaw Pact, withdrew all troops from the West, enemy tanks and planes near Moscow and rabid Russophobia responded to Gorbachev’s virtues, so you don’t have to shadow the wattle fence and bring the blame on the healthy, I hope you are an expert on Russian proverbs, despite the nickname ???.

[Altona]

Quote: LKW UE

All this turbidity with the Maidan, burning people, the beneficiary of all this was only Russia!

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It sounds approximately that Babi Yar was "beneficial" to Stalin. With your logic, it means that some "evil Russians" can teleport to / to Ukraine, arrange something there, then also suddenly disappear. About "ichtamnets", what about Ukrainian "ichtamnets" in Chechnya in 1994-2000? And in South Ossetia in 2008? Or does it count here, it doesn't count there?

[veritas]

Who suffered the death penalty?
Of the real culprits - virtually none. And this despite the fact that hundreds of gigabytes of videos are walking on the network, in which all the people involved are shown in close-up, including those who were in the chair of a deputy of the Ukrainian parliament today.

Fair retaliation is only possible with a change of power. Power itself will never condemn itself.

[Sovetikus]

Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten Bandera scum ... Responsible for everything!

[Maas]

No one will answer for anything. Just think for a moment, if there is an opportunity to take revenge .... to whom will you take revenge? ... Will you demolish a couple of villages?
I remember when Motorolla died, Givi spoke up and said with undisguised hatred “for him I will level the Ukrainian cities to the ground.” And where is this comrade now?

[Sovetikus]

Quote: Maas

No one will answer for anything. Just think for a moment, if there is an opportunity to take revenge .... to whom will you take revenge?

Bandera, to whom else, climbed out of their caches .. Lists are available and everything is documented.! Do you understand from these?

[Maas]

You did not understand correctly, I am not one of these and not one of those.

[Sovetikus]

Quote: Maas

You did not understand correctly, I am not one of these and not one of those.

Well then, sorry ...

[Maas]

Sovetikus, well, explain to me please. Who are Bandera?
Because from communication with pro-Russian comrades, I concluded: all who are for independent Ukraine are Bandera, and who are real Ukrainians for an alliance with Russia.

[Altona]

Quote: Maas

Because from communication with pro-Russian comrades, I concluded: all who are for independent Ukraine are Bandera, and who are real Ukrainians for an alliance with Russia.

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When the Russian Empire collapsed, the UPR was created in Kiev, which fell under the Germans, when Moscow, already Bolshevik, had to go to the Brest Peace. In Kharkov, Soviet Ukraine was created, and after the liberation of Ukraine by the troops of Makhno and the Red Army, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic became a territory much larger than the "historical" Ukraine, which later Yeltsin with Kravchuk and Shushkevich drank away at a stroke. And so with the UPR there was an agreement by the Provisional Government on the demarcation of the border and determination of the final size of "Ukraine", but there seemed to be only 6 regions. So much in today's Ukraine is not Ukrainian at all.

[Armored beast]

Whose will you be?

[anjey]

Quote: Maas

No one will answer for anything.

History knew examples that criminals were punished, although after a long time and completely got used to the system against which they fought on the side of the enemy.
Take the same Vasyura who burned Khatyn with the Germans and his bandits.

[Moon]

Even the Odessa city portal does not dare to remind residents of the city about the events of 6 years ago.

if the news is done at 00 00 on May 2, then of course nothing will be there.
On the Duma news dated May 1! Not one for 2! Morning.
But I suggested a manipulation method

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

All this kashmare Odessa and the residents of Odessa, survived very "steadily" and "calmly". I say what I saw myself, a year after the incident. I came to visit my wife's relatives. I was in Odessa. I talked with common people.
They were outraged. They were indignant. But these emotions passed and faded away, against the background of a "constant need for banknotes" ... And the inhabitants of Odessa, as before, continued to rent their modest homes to vacationers from the Western regions of Ukraine, dressed in embroidered shirts ... And all I saw and heard made a completely objective conclusion that they are guided by - "We love Russia, but we love money more" .. That's all ..

[Maas]

Andrei Nikolaevich, you are telling a lie. Most of the inhabitants of Odessa linked these events with an attempt to rock the boat and create the next Odessa People’s Republic. No one there was indignant or indignant. Only the same pro-Russian, of which there are less than 1 percent in Odessa.

[Maas]

I would also add that the inhabitants of Odessa are generally not enthusiastic about Western Ukrainians.

[monah]

Quote: Maas

I would also add that the inhabitants of Odessa are generally not enthusiastic about Western Ukrainians.

Fartsovschik he and Odessa farcer. About what a market?

[Sovetikus]

Quote: Maas

Andrei Nikolaevich, you are telling a lie. Most of the inhabitants of Odessa linked these events with an attempt to rock the boat and create the next Odessa People’s Republic. No one there was indignant or indignant. Only the same pro-Russian, of which there are less than 1 percent in Odessa.

Similarly Bandera !!! Then he started singing ...

[Maas]

That is why you, comrades, have profiled Ukraine as a whole and in general. As in its time eastern Europe and the Baltic states. You can not answer me, it does not matter in principle.

[Sovetikus]

Quote: Maas

That is why you, comrades, have profiled Ukraine as a whole and in general. As in its time eastern Europe and the Baltic states. You can not answer me, it does not matter in principle.

We didn’t make a mistake .. Can you remind Soviet Russia in 1917 when the territory controlled by Moscow and St. Petersburg? And what was then literally 5 years ago ..?
Remember the Kaiser's phrase "Russians always come back .."
As Sudoplatov said, "The fight continues"! Get your bags ready for Canada ...

[Potomac]

He did not say anything surprising. Yes, Odessa residents carry flowers in memory of the fallen fellow citizens. But do not pull the blanket in one direction. Odessa mourns both for the supporters of the Russian spring and for the supporters of European Ukraine. These are our fellow citizens, not dividing them by preference. If you want the Russians to have a good attitude, as you once did, then just be friends, communicate, and do not get into someone else's house, with your own rules. The events over the past 6 years have greatly alienated Ukraine and the Russian Federation, but it is in our power to regain mutual understanding. It would be a desire.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

very alienated Ukraine and the Russian Federation, but it is in our power to regain mutual understanding. It would be a desire.
And why? ... So that once again, we were called "accupants"? ..

[Armored beast]

So them, Sovetikus! Puppy vmerla.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And all that I saw and heard, I made a completely objective conclusion that they are guided by - "We love Russia, but we love more money."

I was always amused by these words about the allegedly intimidated residents of Odessa, they were not intimidated, they were promised "tse Europe" and for this they simply "did not notice" dozens of killed people, they would kill more, "would not notice" this either ...

[Maas]

And what is there to write? If someone had not stuck their stinky snout into the organization of this march, this would not have happened. Who needs it, everyone already knows on whose hands this blood is.

[Potomac]

You ask whose fault it is ?! First of all, representatives of the Odessa police department. The weak and sluggish reaction of law enforcement, I would even say a little belated. Only exacerbated the wave of human madness.

[MMX]

Quote: Potomac

You ask whose fault it is ?! First of all, representatives of the Odessa police department. The weak and sluggish reaction of law enforcement, I would even say a little belated. Only exacerbated the wave of human madness.

The look of the layman. No need to bring everything together. Everyone is responsible for their own. Law enforcement officers for one. Those who set fire to the building with people inside - for their own. In civilized countries so. Ukraine does not apply to them, apparently.

[Borz]

Poems by Vadim Negaturov, who died in Odessa Khatyn on May 2, 2014

Motto:
"... the glorious great-grandfathers of the great great-grandchildren trash" T.G. Shevchenko

Indifference mold raw
Everywhere in the minds and hearts ...
Everyone has a similar address: “hut with the edge”,
- and those who are in Khrushchev, sheds,
and those in cottages, palaces ...

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Ukraine ... damned years ...
filthy in souls ... dirt on conscience ...
What, Fatherland, is happening to you ?!
... We are not your children, we are offspring,
since we live, reconciling with Your pain ...

[Evgeny Velikanov]

Glory to topwar and jen. They are already 21 years old.

Well, the bots who write here

[Sovetikus]

Quote: Evgeny Velikanov

Well, the bots who write here

Nicknames and IP addresses in the studio .. The country should know "its heroes" ..!

[Potomac]

Quote: Sovetikus

Quote: Maas

That is why you, comrades, have profiled Ukraine as a whole and in general. As in its time eastern Europe and the Baltic states. You can not answer me, it does not matter in principle.

We didn’t make a mistake .. Can you remind Soviet Russia in 1917 when the territory controlled by Moscow and St. Petersburg? And what was then literally 5 years ago ..?
Remember the Kaiser's phrase "Russians always come back .."
As Sudoplatov said, "The fight continues"! Get your bags ready for Canada ...

Well, what do you want with this approach? What is normal attitude? Your problem is that you are measuring everything under one comb. Can you adequately explain why, for example, I need to prepare suitcases somewhere, only because I want to live calmly, peacefully, and not change flags over my city ?!

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

We have also been looking for terrorists for a long time, they find, and retribution will come to these villains.

[GUSAR]

He turned on the TV with our breakthrough news, especially for this purpose, I think they will show, remember, nope! Virus, virus, virus, stay at home, stay at home your mother! "Self-isolation" and other muddiness. I immediately remembered: "Let them just try!"

[Kronos]

But you won’t punish the sense of recalling this guilty and the dead will not rise again

[GUSAR]

Well, yes, they forgot, forgave, why remember something?

[Kronos]

Remember the burnt winter cherry there, too, no one was punished as a result

[Potomac]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

very alienated Ukraine and the Russian Federation, but it is in our power to regain mutual understanding. It would be a desire.
And why? ... So that once again, we were called "accupants"? ..

I say there would be a desire. Our common problem, which is for the most part, is that we are shown and imposed on us. Perceiving the opinion of a small part as an absolute majority.

[Armored beast]

Well, why not? strana.ua published an article in the morning - "The sixth anniversary of the tragedy in Odessa."

[silverura]

We all look at what's happening behind the curb. And when they will deliver a verdict and hold re-investigations on such issues as the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and the murder of the imperial family. The task and betrayal of the USSR, the submarine - Kursk, the demolition of civilian houses in Russia, the Nemtsov and much more. Yes, in one and flies and cutlets! But it is not interesting. Let the hacks themselves be sorted out there.

[NF68]

All "progressive mankind" for some reason does not particularly require the government of Ukraine to conduct a real investigation. As if they were not burning living people there, but mannequins.

[Puler]

[Dzafdet]

At least a couple of rpd in the windows of the house of trade unions. And everything would have gone differently. The stock was not thought out ...