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Alcohol, tobacco and sweets. On the specific contentment in the Red Army

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Soldier shag (photo from Wikipedia)


In a war, soldiers and commanders should first of all be armed and provided with ammunition, dressed in shod clothes and, if possible, fed well. Nevertheless, in the stories about the supply of our heroic warriors during the Great Patriotic War, questions remain behind the scenes of providing them with things, perhaps not as useful as rich porridge or fresh bread, but in war, we will be frank, often very, very much in demand.

The debate about the advisability of issuing the famous People’s Commissars of XNUMX grams at the front has been ongoing for a long time and very intensively. For some, especially sophisticated in the cleanliness of their participants, it comes to accusations of the leadership of the country and the army of soldering soldiers. What can I say? It remains only to repeat for the hundredth time: it is not for us to judge. Yes, and there was no soldering in sight. Vodka in the Red Army appeared even during the "winter war" with Finland with the filing of the then People’s Commissar of Defense Kliment Voroshilov, hence the "people's commissars." The meaning of the vodka portion in the situation at that time consisted in a primitive “sugrev” and the prevention of colds.

The rations of the Great Patriotic War should rather be called "Stalin", since from the very beginning and until the end of the war it was the Supreme Person who kept this issue under his personal control, and he signed the relevant decisions of the GKO. All his life, Joseph Vissarionovich was tolerant of drinking, but at the same time he was a categorical opponent of drunkenness. And the vodka "policy" in the Red Army was built accordingly. Initially, by the decree of the State Defense Committee of August 22, 1941 No. “On the Introduction of Vodka for Supply in the Active Red Army”, one hundred grams per day was given to everyone who was “in the units of the first line of the active army”. That is, exclusively at the forefront.

However, already in May of next year, a new regulatory document on the same topic was released. Comrade Stalin brought to him for signing the project mercilessly messed with his beloved in red pencil, at the same time tightening it pretty much. From now on, only those who conducted offensive operations received the right to a daily cup. Initially, the proposed abstract "having success in hostilities" the Supreme crossed out, as well as the inscribed "double dose" of 200 grams. Everyone else, albeit at the front, was allowed to drink on public holidays and the anniversary of the formation of the unit. At the same time, the leader also removed the International Youth Day from the list, leaving, however, the All-Union Physical Culture Day. Well, the professional holiday of aviators, of course ...

On the eve of the Battle of Stalingrad (November 1942), the "People's Commissars" were again returned in full - for the "front end". From now on, 50 grams per day was also supposed for fighters of regimental and divisional reserves, a construction battalion that performed work in the combat zone, and even wounded. If doctors allow, of course. This continued until April 1943, when the daily issue of vodka was again left only to the "units leading the offensive." Immediately after the Victory, in May 1945, the "People's Commissars" were completely canceled.

It is worth noting that the "alcohol allowance" was somewhat different in the arms of service and even in different places. For example, on the Transcaucasian front, taking into account local specifics, vodka was replaced with wine: 200 grams of fortified or 300 grams of dry. Dry wine also entered the diet of Red Navy submariners. At the same time, the sailors had an iron rule - either drink it yourself or refuse, do not pass it on to another! Those wishing to guard sobriety were entitled to compensation of 10 rubles per serving of alcohol. Good money for that time.

The tobacco supply did not survive such perturbations. From the beginning to the end of the Great Patriotic War, each fighter was supposed to have 20 grams of shag per day. Also for a month were issued seven “books of smoking paper” and three boxes of matches. There were absolutely not enough matches (especially in trench conditions), and therefore most smokers of the Red Army quickly acquired "Katyushas" - home-made lighters with an armchair and a tinder. These masterpieces of front-line craft were made, as a rule, from spent cartridges. Problems also arose with paper, and therefore the press that remained from political information was involved in the matter.

They say that Red Star was especially popular. There were also good cigarettes from Hitler's leaflets calling for surrender, since the trenches threw them into our trenches more than generously. Just catch such a piece of paper on the eyes of a particularly vigilant special officer - and the case could end with a fine, and not a smoke break. Anything happened with tobacco, either - interruptions in supply, or simply an absence in warehouses. “My grandmother’s mattress”, “Vyrviglaz”, “Light up the fascist” - so the Red Army men, inexhaustible in humor, called “smoking mixes” prepared from what would come to hand. Especially speaking is the name "berklen" - a mixture of birch and maple leaves.

Approximately at the level of grass substitutes, our soldiers "valued" the captured German smoke: "Smelly, but no fortress." But the American “Camel” obtained by Lend-Lease without a filter was praised even by inveterate lovers of terry. Those who have tried will understand why ... As always, the supply of the pilots was different for the better - they were supposed to receive 25 cigarettes or 25 grams of tobacco daily. Especially popular was Belomor, Kazbek was considered chic for the command staff. Comrade Stalin smoked Herzegovina Flor, crushing it into his famous pipe.

With tobacco contentment, in fact, the appearance of sweets in the Red Army is also associated. Initially, our soldiers were not spoiled by anything - the situation was not the same. Sugar for tea managed to get hold of - and then for happiness. According to the norms, it was supposed to be 35 grams per day, but then according to the norms. Such goodies as condensed milk or chocolate were available only to pilots, and even then in dry soldering. But in August 1942, the People’s Commissariat of Defense made a wise decision: from now on, all women in the army who didn’t want to poison with shag, could receive 200 grams of chocolate or 300 grams of sweets per month instead! The initiative in the troops, apparently, was taken with a bang, because after three months this rule was extended to all soldiers and commanders of the Red Army, regardless of gender. Do not smoke? Keep the above amount of sweets instead of tobacco! Well, or an extra 300 grams of sugar - that's how lucky.

As follows from the memoirs of the front-line soldiers left to us, not all soldiers used the "People's Commissars". As a rule, they drank during the hours of calm, after a hard battle, on holidays or in remembrance of the fallen comrades. Combat experience quickly proved the danger of "taking on the chest" before the battle with the enemy. Everyone had a choice. Someone walked to the Victory, puffing with a cigarette or a cigarette with a shag, someone - chewing an "alternative" candy. The main thing - have come!
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  1. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 3 May 2020 10: 10 New
    13
    But I could not (could not) replace the Hutsulskys with sugar - I did not have enough willpower ...
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 3 May 2020 10: 15 New
      10
      Rations of winners!

      My grandfather told me how he smoked shag in the trenches. And then, as I recall, he smoked only the most vigorous cigarettes ....

      Impressed by a mixture of berklen ... From birch and maple.

      My research supervisor for diploma work, a professor who survived the siege of Leningrad in his youth, said that he smoked oak leaves. It helped drown out hunger.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 May 2020 10: 25 New
        +5
        Do not smoke? Keep the above amount of sweets instead of tobacco! Well, or an extra 300 grams of sugar

        According to the stories of his father, who served in 1955-57, such a practice existed long after the war.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 3 May 2020 10: 37 New
          +5
          My former served also talked about. And that the athletes who advocated for part of the food strengthened and out of order.
        2. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 3 May 2020 10: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Insurgent
          According to the stories of his father, who served in 1955-57, such a practice existed long after the war.

          Until 2006, it was for sure. I don’t know further - there were no direct personnel left for the post.
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 3 May 2020 11: 25 New
            +9
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            Quote: Insurgent
            According to the stories of his father, who served in 1955-57, such a practice existed long after the war.

            Until 2006, it was for sure. I don’t know further - there were no direct personnel left for the post.

            He served in 1988-89 in the BVI in 1OTbr 5OAK. They fed and dressed perfectly. And all such allowance was exclusively monetary. You go to the chip and buy what you need. In peacetime, this is the best option.
            1. lwxx
              lwxx 3 May 2020 11: 55 New
              +8
              And in the 90s we were given a makhra, because there was a shortage of cigarettes. For me, a non-smoker, the smell of terry is better than the stench of Vatra and Krasnopresnenskie.
            2. Gato
              Gato 3 May 2020 11: 57 New
              +5
              1986-1988 KZakVO - completely similar. Sergeant money 15 rubles enough for smoke and sweets, but in the tobacco chip there was always only "Astra" (rare muck), if sclerosis does not change 25 kopecks. pack. Cigarettes "Akhtamar" (1-2 rubles) were especially chic, and Kiev "Stolichny" cigarettes were sent from home - the smoke of the Fatherland fellow
              But there was never any problem with sweet - reinforced concrete refinery, but extremely sweet and tasty, with alcohol too - gasoline changed to chacha in a ratio of 2 to 1.
              1. Alex Nevs
                Alex Nevs 3 May 2020 12: 57 New
                +9
                And here is a smoke.
                1. Sklendarka
                  Sklendarka 3 May 2020 15: 56 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex Nevs
                  And here is a smoke.

                  I already wrote above that ,, Hutsul '' and!, Hunting '' our FSE-18 packs per month (or 0,5 refined sugar '')
                  And you know ... I’m not regretting anything and I’m not offended by anyone, it was like that.
                  1. Alex Nevs
                    Alex Nevs 3 May 2020 17: 08 New
                    +1
                    Once I tried ... In the army .... Such nasty things. laughing
                  2. AleBors
                    AleBors 5 May 2020 09: 25 New
                    0
                    Yes, familiar pictures. Of all, the most decent are the "Northern" Cherkasy factories. The rest are "the death of a tankman". Until 1994, the Western Group of Russia issued 18 packs of these cigarettes, although there was also a Pogarskaya Prima. Non-smokers were given 800 gr. Sahara.
                2. Naughty
                  Naughty 4 May 2020 11: 39 New
                  +1
                  GSVG 1978-80 was the case "Hunting" the coolest were considered "Hutsul" it was just death "Northern" so ... normal but they were not often given away But we did not have "Donskys"
            3. Alexga
              Alexga 3 May 2020 20: 42 New
              +1
              This is a h. 04104 and dining room with conservatory?
          2. CTABEP
            CTABEP 3 May 2020 12: 49 New
            0
            It still exists, in 2009-2010, instead of cigarettes, sugar was getting itself.
            Interestingly, I heard about Lend-Lease cigarettes for the first time.
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 3 May 2020 16: 25 New
              +4
              Lucky Strike, Camel supplied, but not much. However, if 250 million buttons were brought ...
          3. Clerk
            Clerk 3 May 2020 20: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            Until 2006, it was for sure. I don’t know further - there were no direct personnel left for the post.

            2014: for clothing allowance, instead of "Smoke break" (the pack looks exactly like "Belomorkanal"), as a non-smoker, he received a pound of lollipops - either duchesse, or mint, or barberry.
          4. raif
            raif 6 May 2020 23: 12 New
            0
            last couple of years ago in the St. Petersburg military units "conscripts" are given only sweets and no tobacco. (I do not write Rosgvardia / National Guard - to make it clearer, i.e. I do not write about the assembly / obon and Vokhra departments)
        3. mmaxx
          mmaxx 3 May 2020 12: 18 New
          +4
          Abroad, tobacco allowance was until the end of the USSR. Or sugar in return.
        4. Ponchik78
          Ponchik78 5 May 2020 06: 25 New
          0
          This practice existed back in the 90s. As a non-smoker, I received sugar from a foreman instead of cigarettes.
      2. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 3 May 2020 12: 20 New
        +1
        And by the way, also a blockade surrogate.

        Tobacco was lacking so much that the search for a substitute began; maple gave the best organoleptic. Its leaves were collected in tens of tons, and all maples were peeled off very quickly. But - not even enough in this format.

        As a result, they began to add what was missing. Leaves of birch.
      3. cost
        cost 3 May 2020 13: 35 New
        16
        In the photo in the article, a bundle of shag TU-49 is mistakenly shown. She is already post-war.
        Photo 1 Soldier shag of fighters of the Great Patriotic War


        1. cost
          cost 3 May 2020 13: 38 New
          13
          They lit not only Katyusha lighters
          1. cost
            cost 3 May 2020 13: 41 New
            11
            There was a commander’s smoke
            1. cost
              cost 3 May 2020 13: 46 New
              +9
              Soldiers smoked and captured German makhorka. Like Tvardovsky's in "Terkin" .- ".. just a little weak, far from our bee .." A bee is a Saratov makhra especially appreciated by the soldiers. That was the name of the "Saratov bee". There was also a kind of terry "Saratov half-breed".
              1. cost
                cost 3 May 2020 13: 54 New
                14
                Talking about the soldier shag, one should not miss such an important moment as soldier's pouches. Women and children embroidered them with love and sent their defenders to the front.




                1. cost
                  cost 3 May 2020 14: 16 New
                  +9
                  in August 1942, the People’s Commissariat of Defense made a wise decision: from now on, all women in the army who didn’t want to poison with shag, could receive 200 grams of chocolate or 300 grams of sweets per month instead! The initiative in the troops, apparently, was taken with a bang, because after three months this rule was extended to all soldiers and commanders of the Red Army, regardless of gender. Do not smoke? Keep the above amount of sweets instead of tobacco! Well, or an extra 300 grams of sugar - that's how lucky.

                  Basically - it was sugar and landrin candies, which were also stored in tobacco pouches, and caramels "Republican", "Sailor", Krasnoarmeiskaya zvezda ", and of course" maize "- caramel" Red Aviator "


                  1. The leader of the Redskins
                    The leader of the Redskins 3 May 2020 18: 51 New
                    +6
                    My grandfather did not smoke. But about alcohol "Narkomovskiy" told:
                    He was in the hospital. Heavy. Fall in for up to 20 people. A nurse comes in with a huge copper teapot and begins "in a circle", pouring the People's Commissar into circles. Some of them drank quickly and called - hey! missed me!
                    The nurse understood that they were lying, but returned and poured again. Someone from the other side of the chamber responded:
                    - And I didn’t pour it! ...
                    And so on until the nurse exponentially rattled the kettle - empty! ....))))
                    1. Alex Nevs
                      Alex Nevs 4 May 2020 19: 25 New
                      +1
                      Thanks. In general, such stories of "everyday life" are very valuable.
              2. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 3 May 2020 16: 27 New
                +8
                It was like this:
              3. Galina schreder
                Galina schreder 4 May 2020 16: 47 New
                0
                Well this is not a German smoke
      4. Vadim Golubkov
        Vadim Golubkov 3 May 2020 19: 08 New
        +1
        We were in the army when we were in the schoolhouse, we smoked oak leaves, when we collected potatoes, when there was nothing to smoke.
      5. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 12: 55 New
        0
        And my grandfather, as far as I remember, did not smoke, at all! And he was wounded and shell-shocked, and went to hand-to-hand combat. He never smoked or cursed. He was calm, cheerful.
        A couple of times, when I was a student, we had dinner with homemade wine and he himself asked, "let me take a drag". He inhaled a little and coughed after that, for about five minutes.)
        To go through so much and remain a calm, tactful person ....
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 3 May 2020 14: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Skalendarka
      But I could not (could not) replace the Hutsulskys with sugar - I did not have enough willpower ...

      Ahhhhhhhh !!!
      "Hutsul Morris", issued for soldiers' rations in the Central State Archive. I do remember.



      Shl. And there was also "Vatra" - "Death of a woodcutter"


      And "Pamir" - "Beggar in the mountains"


      ZY.ZY. Non-smoking soldiers, cigarettes were replaced with sugar.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: Freeman
        Quote: Skalendarka
        But I could not (could not) replace the Hutsulskys with sugar - I did not have enough willpower ...

        Ahhhhhhhh !!!
        "Hutsul Morris", issued for soldiers' rations in the Central State Archive. I do remember.



        Shl. And there was also "Vatra" - "Death of a woodcutter"


        And "Pamir" - "Beggar in the mountains"


        ZY.ZY. Non-smoking soldiers, cigarettes were replaced with sugar.

        Pamir is cool ...
        And find ka, dear comrade, on a pack of `` beggar in the mountains '' bear ...
        And he is there, if that, I will tell you ...
        1. cost
          cost 3 May 2020 16: 41 New
          +8
          This riddle to me as a child in my childhood laughing
          The answer is to shit wink
          only "beggars in the mountains" did not seem to be called "Pamir", but "Kazbek"
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 3 May 2020 17: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Rich
            This riddle to me as a child in my childhood laughing
            The answer is to shit wink
            only "beggars in the mountains" did not seem to be called "Pamir", but "Kazbek"

            No, brother, Pamir ''
            1. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 3 May 2020 17: 30 New
              +4
              Quote: Skalendarka
              Quote: Rich
              This riddle to me as a child in my childhood laughing
              The answer is to shit wink
              only "beggars in the mountains" did not seem to be called "Pamir", but "Kazbek"

              No, brother, Pamir ''

              A beggar does not ride a horse ....
            2. cost
              cost 3 May 2020 18: 37 New
              +6
              No, brother, Pamir ''

              And yet, Kazbek yes
              moreover, the "author" was not willingly - none other than K. Simonov
              Konstantin Simonov in the book "Reflections on Stalin" gives such a conversation with Stalin in April 1941 at the premiere of the play "A guy from our city"
              "Tell comrade Simonov, why in your play does Lukonin call the cigarettes" Kazbek "-" the beggar in the mountains "? The bouquet of these cigarettes was not someone else's, but the order bearer Comrade Ioanidi himself.
              “The taste is excellent, comrade.” Stalin, and the phrase on the pack told me this phrase
              - Not correctly suggested. Beggars don't have horses. Rewrite this phrase. "
              I told about this conversation to the chief editor of Krasnaya Zvezda, brigade commander D.I. Ortenberg, he was silent for a long time, then he said - lucky you ... it was necessary ... to immediately remove the beggar from the play ... The picture that was made on the pack of Grabe's painting, which he personally presented to the "owner" in the thirties. Hangs in the dining room at the "Near Dacha."
              I naturally rewrote Pues, but Lukonin's phrase about "Kazbek" has firmly entered Moscow life.

              And here is a wiki
              Nevertheless, a pack of cigarettes “Kazbek” became the most recognizable for people of the older generation. Gourmets say that the Kazbek cigarette had a pleasant sourish aftertaste. If “Belomor” by its very name is connected with the history of our state, then “Kazbek” cigarettes were associated with a free life. But the picture, as often happens, is deceptive. And that, and the other packs, oddly enough, are associated with one person - “the father of all nations” Stalin. The author of tobacco is V.G. Ioanidi. The designer of the pack of cigarettes “Kazbek”, the artist Robert Grabe, created a drawing in the thirties that reminded Stalin of his homeland. The initiative to create cigarettes came from the employees of Tabactrest. It is clear that this “voluntary” initiative was adjusted by the NKVD employees. The creators clearly pleased, because Stalin himself approved the cigarettes and approved the drawing on the pack. After his approval, cigarettes were among the most prestigious.
              1. Sklendarka
                Sklendarka 3 May 2020 18: 42 New
                +2
                Let me disagree with you ....?
                1. cost
                  cost 3 May 2020 19: 10 New
                  +4
                  I will not argue with you. I put +
                  The union was big - in different ends it was apparently called differently. In the very beginning of the 80s, during my emergency in SAPO, the Pamir was for some reason called a student. Later I never heard such a name anywhere else.
                  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 12: 59 New
                    +3
                    And do you remember the Salve cigarettes? Odessa Tobacco Factory produced. This factory is no longer there ... and there are no cigarettes ...
                    Some raguli stayed .....
                    1. cost
                      cost 6 May 2020 13: 13 New
                      +2
                      Who has a filter mouthpiece?
                      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                        Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 14: 12 New
                        +2
                        Yes. And a pack of yellow.
                      2. cost
                        cost 6 May 2020 14: 17 New
                        +3
                        Grandfather constantly bought them. He smoked a lot and there in the pack was not 20, or 25, or 30 cigarettes. The price was like 25 kopecks.
                      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
                        Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 15: 08 New
                        +1
                        In terms of quantity, I won't lie, I don't remember. But you have correctly noticed that they were more expensive than "Belomor". For 5 kopecks. 30 kopecks.
                      4. cost
                        cost 6 May 2020 15: 28 New
                        +2
                        I became curious myself. I found

                      5. Andrei Nikolaevich
                        Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 17: 09 New
                        +1
                        Yes. This is "Salve" By fortress - slightly lighter than "Belomor" and slightly thinner diameter of the sleeve. I tried it myself somehow.
                        And I was mistaken with the price ... Strange .. But I remember that there were five dimes, more expensive than "Belomor" .... (
  2. Catfish
    Catfish 3 May 2020 19: 42 New
    +6
    Good evening, Dmitry. hi
    No, after all, at the everyday level, the "beggar in the mountains" was called "Pomir". smile
    And there were also cigarettes "Sever", which were fondly called "Carnations". During the war, they were released under the name "NORD", apparently so that the sailors from the Allied convoys knew they were smoking. drinks
    1. cost
      cost 3 May 2020 19: 56 New
      +7
      Greetings Kostya hi
      There were such



      and a green Army Prima with 10 cigarettes in a pack, just under a soldier’s pocket
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 3 May 2020 20: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Good evening, Dmitry. hi
      No, after all, at the everyday level, the "beggar in the mountains" was called "Pomir". smile
      And there were also cigarettes "Sever", which were fondly called "Carnations". During the war, they were released under the name "NORD", apparently so that the sailors from the Allied convoys knew they were smoking. drinks

      North and Surf, with them my path of a malicious smoker began. So I have been smoking for 51 years ...
      1. Naughty
        Naughty 4 May 2020 11: 47 New
        +2
        There were also 6-kopeck Baikal cigarettes, we called them tuberculosis sticks. They were thin. It’s now customary to say slim
    3. Grits
      Grits 4 May 2020 13: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Sea Cat
      And there were also cigarettes "North

      Since childhood, I remember my dad still smoked such. By the way, they also offered to find a bear on them. And he is there.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 4 May 2020 09: 36 New
    +6
    In our country, the Pamir was deciphered as "Abram Moiseevich went to look for work" laughing
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  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 3 May 2020 20: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Skalendarka
    But I could not (could not) replace the Hutsulskys with sugar - I did not have enough willpower ...

    They smoked these "Hutsul" only the smoke was ... I remember you start to knead a cigarette, and there the whole cigarette has drin and a little dust .. They smoked ... smoked ... I brought one pack home (demobilized TsGV) gave my friends a try ... the delights of "Hutsul" ...... 6 kopecks a pack cost .... 18 packs per month.
  • Avior
    Avior 3 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +5
    During the service in the Soviet Army was not enough sweet
    Buns for two years gave two three times, no more.
    They made a "bourgeois" on Sundays - a dessert of egg yolks (two eggs for breakfast on Sundays, usually iron) with butter, sugar and a couple of drops of tea. Kneaded everything, whipped - and for bread :)
    Cutlets were a rarity, literally on special holidays.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 May 2020 10: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Avior
      During the service in the Soviet Army was not enough sweet
      Buns for two years gave two three times, no more.
      They made a "bourgeois" on Sundays - a dessert of egg yolks (two eggs for breakfast on Sundays, usually iron) with butter, sugar and a couple of drops of tea. Kneaded everything, whipped - and for bread :)
      Cutlets were a rarity, literally on special holidays.

      And nevertheless, they left the stock with retarded, healthy children, at least Pasha ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 10: 28 New
        +5
        Yes, there was enough food for the demobilization, not so much for the young one due to constant stress
        But I'm not talking about food at all, I'm talking about sweets
    2. Borz
      Borz 3 May 2020 10: 28 New
      +2
      For 2 years of urgent service I have not seen any meatballs or rolls. This despite the fact that the food was at an increased, BAM standard. But then they gave coffee (surrogate, of course) with condensed milk.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 10: 30 New
        0
        Cutlets - also 2-3 times in two years
        I don’t remember coffee, there was jelly, that still poison, no condensed milk
        But then there wasn’t such a cult of coffee as now, everyone was happy with tea
        I recall coffee or cocoa in teapots, some kind of burda smile
        1. Borz
          Borz 3 May 2020 10: 32 New
          0
          Well, at least they did not forget how they look))
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Avior
          Cutlets - also 2-3 times in two years
          I don’t remember coffee, there was jelly, that still poison, no condensed milk
          But then there wasn’t such a cult of coffee as now, everyone was happy with tea
          I recall coffee or cocoa in teapots, some kind of burda smile

          I am surprised how you even made it to the demobilization! I would not write if my father, v. warrant officer, did not serve in the canteen as "cooking instructor". True, we had 331 RAP. So, who, how much and when "stole" I know not by hearsay. Especially the father and his comrades scratched their turnips, how and how to feed the soldiers after the arrival of the inspector. And the last thing. Father did not say anything about tobacco, but it is a fact that old-timers gave their oil to young people!
          1. Gato
            Gato 3 May 2020 12: 42 New
            10
            old-timers gave their butter to the young, fact!

            This is not out of compassion, this is an informal tradition - demobilizers give oil to the young.
            It became normal for us to eat after after a district check they planted a prompter-nachprod and kicked out a pennant without pension.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Gato
              old-timers gave their butter to the young, fact!

              This is not out of compassion, this is an informal tradition - demobilizers give oil to the young.

              I don’t know if it’s a tradition or not, but my father didn’t have hazing in the unit, although he served urgently in the construction battalion.
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 3 May 2020 14: 29 New
                +9
                Quote: sabakina
                Quote: Gato
                old-timers gave their butter to the young, fact!

                This is not out of compassion, this is an informal tradition - demobilizers give oil to the young.

                I don’t know, tradition or not, but my father didn’t have hazing, although he served urgently in the construction battalion.

                This is not "hazing", but "tradition" - "100 days before the order" - butter for the "young".
                Like - "at home, homemade cakes are tired of waiting."
          2. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 13: 20 New
            +8
            with butter, it’s rather the opposite, but without chaos, of course :)
            But the old people hardly ate porridge
            The meat was rather fat.
            In general, they did not die of hunger, but without excesses
            1. Ponchik78
              Ponchik78 5 May 2020 06: 59 New
              +1
              What is the opposite? Grandfathers took the oil from the young on the hundred-stepneck? Hm! With us it was so dumb that even the most frostbitten would not have decided on this.
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 May 2020 07: 19 New
                -1
                For a hundred days there, everything was classically
                But our grandfather - it’s after a year and a half, and not just on the hundred days

                Covered a hundred days units, by the way
                1. Ponchik78
                  Ponchik78 5 May 2020 09: 56 New
                  +1
                  Everything is complete with us. In general, I don’t remember the bald grandfather on the hundred steps. And in the case of my calls, I also introduced a company intrigue. He said that he would give three days of arrest to everyone who shaved his head. In the morning, everyone was bald. The company commander called it a riot, announced to everyone the promised day with a jail time if possible, and calmed down. As a result, no one ever served) The people in the unit had a terrible shortage. What kind of place there)
          3. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote: Avior
            Cutlets - also 2-3 times in two years
            I don’t remember coffee, there was jelly, that still poison, no condensed milk
            But then there wasn’t such a cult of coffee as now, everyone was happy with tea
            I recall coffee or cocoa in teapots, some kind of burda smile

            I am surprised how you even made it to the demobilization! I would not write if my father, v. warrant officer, did not serve in the canteen as "cooking instructor". True, we had 331 RAP. So, who, how much and when "stole" I know not by hearsay. Especially the father and his comrades scratched their turnips, how and how to feed the soldiers after the arrival of the inspector. And the last thing. Father did not say anything about tobacco, but it is a fact that old-timers gave their oil to young people!

            We read `` roman '' - `` one hundred days before the order '' ...
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 3 May 2020 12: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          But then there wasn’t such a cult of coffee as now, everyone was happy with tea

          Coffee, especially instant, only enhances thirst.
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 May 2020 13: 21 New
            +2
            It’s just now full of people who don’t imagine morning without coffee
            Used to drink tea quietly in the morning
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 3 May 2020 14: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              It’s just now full of people who don’t imagine morning without coffee

              There are some, but we have more simpler people. No coffee or tea is needed - a hundred in the morning, so that your hands do not tremble and work more fun.
              1. Liam
                Liam 3 May 2020 14: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Narak-zempo
                There are some, but we have more simpler people. No coffee or tea is needed - a hundred in the morning, so that your hands do not tremble and work more fun

                And do you have many such gourmets?
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo 3 May 2020 14: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Liam
                  And do you have many such gourmets?

                  Yes, consider the whole institute - from technical personnel to the director. Well, student students use other substances. And coffee teas are only driven by accountants.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 3 May 2020 15: 05 New
                    0
                    And what is the institute doing, if not secret?
                    1. Narak-zempo
                      Narak-zempo 3 May 2020 15: 11 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Liam
                      And what is the institute doing, if not secret?

                      Biological profile. Let's just say, even near-medical.
                      1. Mwg
                        Mwg 3 May 2020 22: 05 New
                        0
                        Isn't a pandemic cure invented by the institute? )))))
                        And then you have to wait a long time for the vaccine ...
                      2. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 3 May 2020 22: 41 New
                        +3
                        Fortunately, no, although some teetotalers here think so. Although I am a candidate of biological sciences, I’m very far from medicine and generally came here by accident.
    3. Gato
      Gato 3 May 2020 11: 31 New
      +3
      For 2 years of urgent service I have not seen any meatballs or rolls.

      You probably didn’t have any district checks.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 12: 14 New
        -2
        Our cooks said that they forbid minced meat.
        Still forbidden to cut tomatoes, gave only whole
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 May 2020 15: 02 New
          +2
          Just humanly curious.
          who causes such hostility that because of sanitary requirements they were not allowed to use ground meat, only whole pieces and even tomatoes, for the same sanitary reasons, were not allowed to be cut so that the infection is not brought in, you can’t cut and not cut into a regiment in five minutes, time is needed for this - and served on the tables only whole - and this was followed rather strictly, with regard to infections and poisonings we strictly had?
          Or is it anyway what to minus?
          1. Gato
            Gato 6 May 2020 00: 09 New
            +1
            Just humanly curious

            Yes there is a secret society of latent ... uh ... minusers from caches.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 13: 09 New
              0
              minusers from caches. "
              These are already grandchildren .. Those whom Lavrenty Palych regretted ..
      2. Borz
        Borz 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
        +3
        The military unit was located in the hills, in the taiga, the check, I remember, was, the head of the political department of the brigade came, all of a sudden, but I don’t remember much difference
        1. Gato
          Gato 3 May 2020 12: 53 New
          +2
          check, I remember, was, the head of the political department of the brigade came

          Well, the brigade nachpo is not a figure, because of it, the personnel would make a show. And here is the deputy. the commander of the district - yes, the distribution of elephants and melons was notable .. In our separate battalion of the district subordination, the ensign was seized (!), and we were expelled for 24 years without a pension
          1. Borz
            Borz 3 May 2020 13: 20 New
            0
            This was the only time an inspector came to our unit. Deputy The commander of the KDVO is too significant a figure for us. Apparently, the head of the political department of the brigade with the rank of major general is the maximum for our high
            1. Gato
              Gato 3 May 2020 14: 35 New
              0
              the head of the political department of the brigade with the rank of major general

              Mr. and in such a position? Probably a raider. We commanded brigades and infantry commanders ...
              1. Borz
                Borz 3 May 2020 21: 24 New
                0
                Well, that was, it was. We did not go into details, as you yourself understand. Arrived, left
      3. Ponchik78
        Ponchik78 5 May 2020 07: 16 New
        +4
        We had an officer in the rear who rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel from conscript service. He "loved" the Stolovskys with some kind of fiery passion. As a result, buns, eggs three times a week. Pancakes with jam on Sundays)))
        Plus, our unit commander dined in the soldiers ’canteen. Began with the soldiers for distribution. And he looked that they would pour it (we had a catering system) the same thing as the soldiers. And if he didn’t like something in food ... after dinner, he appeared in the dining room and raked everything from the manager (we had a female senior warrant officer) to the last cockroach at the sink. Therefore, they fed us despite the 90s very well.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 15: 21 New
          +1
          We had a nachpo-captain of the second rank. God forbid, it will seem to him that the washer of butter, less or God forbid, one of the sailors will complain to him that there was not enough boiled egg for breakfast. All! All the rear of the base - sushi oars! He will shout at the quartermasters, hyster and call the headquarters of the fleet, go after the admiral, tail and whine that the sailors are hungry, that the rear is stealing, that the lack of one boiled egg for one young sailor is a crime against the state. He will exhaust the admiral, bring him to hysteria and tears ... But thanks to such "COMMISSARS" with a capital letter, we ate, excellently and served in excellent conditions. I think not only mother should say to such people, motherly, Thank you.
        2. hjvtp1966
          hjvtp1966 12 May 2020 10: 45 New
          0
          Wonderful marvel !!! I remember that almost riots in the company began because of the shit that the Azeri cooks fed us. So came the fat pig - the deputy for the rear, who placed those Azeris for bribes in "thieves" positions and said that everything was OK, even the urine that we were poured instead of tea was supposed to be half a mug, noh. to complain, to distract the bosses from important matters. Then they fed a couple of days better, and then it went the same way. As I remember - ugh ...
          1. Ponchik78
            Ponchik78 12 May 2020 20: 30 New
            0
            In our canteens, the entire staff consisted of female contract workers and civil servants. Conscripts only as part of a daily outfit. Which was very cool. When the outfit from our battalion intervened, the internal outfits in the companies at night deigned to eat fried potatoes with onions. It happened with a stew))) In other battalions it was similar.
            Mmm))) Army potato))) How many civilians did not try to fry potatoes in an army way I never had such a delicacy. The army atmosphere was apparently not enough)))
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 6 May 2020 13: 08 New
      0
      I served in the navy. And also, surrogate coffee was given, with milk. I went with a bang. True, the officers often "fed" - their wives baked cakes, various pastries (for the holidays). The officers brought them to the sailors. It was so much joy - after all, homemade delicious pastries. What was her for happiness?))
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 3 May 2020 10: 43 New
    -7
    For two years I haven’t seen cutlets.
    On holidays (serious), a can of condensed milk and cheese on the table (10 people)
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 3 May 2020 11: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Skalendarka
      On holidays (serious), a can of condensed milk and cheese on the table (10 people)

      Was there a red fish on oath?
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 3 May 2020 11: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: mat-vey
        Quote: Skalendarka
        On holidays (serious), a can of condensed milk and cheese on the table (10 people)

        Was there a red fish on oath?

        The fish was with potatoes, with potatoes and cabbage, with cabbage and potatoes daily for dinner ... and so for two years.
        I still remember the herring, but I don’t remember the red one.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 3 May 2020 11: 26 New
          0
          Nah, it’s red and just for the oath, and at lunch ... and so the fish for dinner, so to speak, but not red
        2. Gato
          Gato 3 May 2020 11: 43 New
          0
          I still remember the herring, but I don’t remember the red one.

          Like this? And the sprat in tomato from dry tea?
          As I remember now: three cans - buckwheat porridge with stew (valued), pearl barley porridge with stew (thrown out) and fish - if you're lucky, then in oil, if not - in tomato, but nothing too.
        3. Alexga
          Alexga 3 May 2020 20: 55 New
          +1
          The second half of the 80s will serve in the 39th army. We did not have a herring at all, only salted pink salmon, still we don’t eat red fish. But when they flew to Irkutsk, there was a herring with brown bread !!! In our TP, the concept of a hungry soldier was not from the word at all. Thanks to the Commander. For all loading and unloading they were always given extra allowance for 5 people: a kilogram can of stewed meat on the Great Wall and two loaves of bread. In cold weather, hot tea is required. This is in addition to breakfast, lunch, dinner. As a rule, officers fed with their crews. When they left for the desert, doppayk always laid on cars. It was harder with water.
      2. Avior
        Avior 3 May 2020 11: 32 New
        +1
        Brother served in Blagoveshchensk, Red fish was very often
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 3 May 2020 11: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Brother served in Blagoveshchensk, Red fish was very often

          Well, those who served on Dalniy told me that the red fish simply felt sick, but it’s local specifics ... Those who caught liquid rockets in the Strategic Rocket Forces told that refuelers were better fed than any flyers, submariners and other polar explorers, plus all kinds of dispensaries periodically. .
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 3 May 2020 12: 22 New
            +7
            Quote: mat-vey
            told that refuelers were fed better than any flyers, submariners and other polar explorers plus all kinds of dispensaries periodically ..

            Double portion of butter and paste. True, air defense, S-25 wink
            Quote: Crowe
            Poor people. Sufferers with martyrs. Right now I’m bursting into tears, they didn’t have anything in the Red Army at all. As they survived, I can’t imagine ..

            Before the war, the soldiers had one bowler hat for two. It was a difficult time for the country.
            Ah, I even ate two eggs. wink Exactly a week before the demobilization entered on Sundays.
            Father said.
            At the end of the war, many refused alcohol. I wanted to live to the Victory. When they went to Hungary instead of vodka, they gave wine.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 28 New
      +8
      Quote: Skalendarka
      For two years I haven’t seen cutlets.
      On holidays (serious), a can of condensed milk and cheese on the table (10 people)

      For this comment, they put NINE minuses to me, to be honest, I didn’t lie a single gram! Question, and who are the judges ???
  • Gato
    Gato 3 May 2020 11: 26 New
    +1
    Did on Sundays "bourgeois" - a dessert of egg yolks

    We called this recipe "demobilized biscuit"
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 3 May 2020 11: 37 New
      +6
      Poor people. Sufferers with martyrs. Right now I’m bursting into tears, they didn’t have anything in the Red Army at all. As they survived, I can’t imagine ..
    2. Avior
      Avior 3 May 2020 12: 16 New
      -1
      They called a “mess”, there he corrected the phone himself higher, now he noticed
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 3 May 2020 20: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Cutlets were a rarity, literally on special holidays.

    We have at the end of the month ... I don’t know for what reason. Maybe they cleaned up the remnants .. The soldiers didn’t steal the products from the Central Army Soldiers ... There was nobody to sell to! There was no buyer. They gave for dinner you won’t understand that ... In one cauldron, vermicelli, rice, buckwheat, wheat grits ... And half a year they gave saury blanched in oil ... A week they ate this saury with an appetite .. .. For the second month, one was sick kind of cans ... ... And still it was fun ... Young, healthy, handsome ..! All life is in front of you !!
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    Everything is good in moderation: it's about alcoholic drinks ... they can cheer up, give courage, save from colds ... as for smoking, the health benefits are clearly absent ...
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 3 May 2020 10: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Everything is good in moderation: it's about alcoholic drinks ... they can cheer up, give courage, save from colds ... as for smoking, the health benefits are clearly absent ...

      About the measure, my father told how they collaborated on the front two / three people. Today, one for three, and tomorrow (if you live) to the other ...
      On the benefits, then you never smoked ...
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 3 May 2020 10: 33 New
      10
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Everything is good in moderation: it's about a liquor.

      My father had a partner at work - a front-line soldier, healthy as an elephant, although not young already naturally. So he told me that it was impossible to distinguish alcohol from water after the attack - that’s how the adrenaline went off scale.
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 10: 40 New
      +7
      There is a benefit from tobacco - it calms the nerves. In combat conditions is permissible.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 3 May 2020 11: 44 New
        +3
        I once lit a shag at home - so Dad, himself a smoker, drove me out into the street - he could not tolerate shaggy smoke from the war! So it goes...
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 34 New
      +1
      I think, then they did not think about what they would die of, from lung cancer or a stray bullet, or a mine ...
      1. Teller
        Teller 3 May 2020 12: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        I think, then they did not think about what they would die of, from lung cancer or a stray bullet, or a mine ...

        The main thing was to win! And the makhra was appreciated .. The same song "Let's smoke a friend one by one .." There was no time for health Vyacheslav

        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I once lit a shag at home - so Dad, himself a smoker, drove me out into the street - he could not tolerate shaggy smoke from the war! So it goes...

        His memories with this terry were probably difficult .. He lost comrades or something like that ..
        That is the whole point!
      2. CTABEP
        CTABEP 3 May 2020 16: 44 New
        +1
        Especially when you consider that the bullets and mines are nearby, and you still have to survive before cancer.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 May 2020 10: 27 New
    10
    As an amateur shooter, I know for sure that tobacco and alcohol affect the frequency of heartbeat, hence the accuracy of the shot. I started trying substances from the age of 16, tobacco first, then alcohol, then smoked for five or six years, the tolerance very quickly causes tobacco and it’s very difficult to get rid of addiction later, but when I was older, I tried a large number of different substances, including forbidden ones, and I realized at the age of 30 that sobriety is the norm of life!
    1. Gato
      Gato 3 May 2020 11: 19 New
      +2
      I tried a large number of different substances, including forbidden ones, and I understood in 30 years that sobriety is the norm of life!

      Yes, after 30 - but not earlier wassat
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    3. knn54
      knn54 3 May 2020 11: 26 New
      +2
      According to the memoirs of a German infantryman: "There are as many vodka, schnapps and liquor at the front as there are machine guns. It's easier to make any hero. Vodka dulls the brain and adds strength. For two days in a row, I just drink and forget about the splinters in the intestines."
      Germans, at the beginning of the Second World War, were given a bottle for three. Plus trophy.
      again, according to the recollections of the brother of his grandfather, the attacks of drunken Germans in the first months of the war.
      were not uncommon.
      An interesting fact: at one time, the head of the Political Administration of the Red Army, Mehlis, in a harsh form, demanded that the head of the rear service Khrulev add spices to the diet of warriors, arguing not only for improving the taste of food, but also for the benefit of the body.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 3 May 2020 13: 18 New
        +1
        The Germans had a lot of vodka and schnapps, there was also methamphetamine called Pervitin, the pilots and tankers had it right in chocolate, they stimulated them as best they could.
    4. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 11: 30 New
      +2
      Most of the Marksmans and "pure" snipers in our country smoked. Nobody measures the pulse, of course, but as a light tranquilizing and antiadrenaline drug - strong tobacco is even nothing. And from an excess of adrenaline - there may be a tremor.
    5. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      As an amateur shooter, I know for sure that tobacco and alcohol affect the frequency of heartbeat, hence the accuracy of the shot. I started trying substances from the age of 16, tobacco first, then alcohol, then smoked for five or six years, the tolerance very quickly causes tobacco and it’s very difficult to get rid of addiction later, but when I was older, I tried a large number of different substances, including forbidden ones, and I realized at the age of 30 that sobriety is the norm of life!

      An amateur is not scary, but if the shooter is a pro, then you won't get enough smoke ... (joke)
  • Free wind
    Free wind 3 May 2020 10: 46 New
    +1
    Scientists have proven that a small amount of alcohol improves the reaction. There was no direct ban on use before the battle, but it was not welcomed either. There were many fairy tales about smoking. No one saw anything bad in this. There were even tales that smoking is good. Well, like the lungs are being cleaned. Well, all were young, no one complained of harm.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 3 May 2020 21: 22 New
      +1
      I didn’t know about scientists, but I noticed on my own that after a hundred grams, if you don’t continue the world, it’s slower and you’re the same (that’s faster) and without loss of accuracy (probably everyone has their own dose) But I think that everyone has different organisms and maybe someone has the opposite effect?
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 3 May 2020 22: 11 New
        0
        The state of acceleration shortens the life span. I'm serious
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 3 May 2020 22: 15 New
          0
          Yes, it is understandable, but I don't always drink. Seriously, in the garage with the guys several times a year And the little things, for the holidays and if stress In general, well, you live to 90, so what? - to frame 70-year-old "young"?))
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 3 May 2020 22: 20 New
            +1
            Why, then, 70 year olds, 50 year olds even nothing)))
  • The Word of the Word
    The Word of the Word 3 May 2020 10: 50 New
    +3
    Filterless camel were really cool cigarettes. Great tobacco!
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 3 May 2020 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Freedom of the Word
      Filterless camel were really cool cigarettes. Great tobacco!

      I agree, I also agree that the key word, was ''
  • Sniper Amateur
    Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 11: 15 New
    0
    And in the late summer of 2014, a batch of makhorka was somehow brought to us. "Grodno". How old she was (or tens of years?) - no one knew. Sobs-but - half the battalion did not know at all - what kind of St. John's wort is this "makhorka"? Impression - Fuck! Inserts - almost like a good drape! wassat I have since been procured periodically. 220-280 UAH / kg. (kursak now - about 27 UAH / $)
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 3 May 2020 12: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Sniper Amateur
      Sobs-but - half the battalion did not know at all - what kind of St. Impression - Fuck!

      "Prima", "Smoke", "Hunting", .... In the military trade 14, 16 kopecks. On the nightstand by the day-room-1 pc. kopeck, with filter-2 kopecks. "Navar" for a free smoke break alongside. They were thrown off at pay. There was a shortage of tobacco. They began to smoke Cubans. Almost the entire battery ran on 1 sports category. With Cubans, they stopped running around like that. wink .
      In my time, a soldier was given 80 kopecks instead of tobacco.
      1. Sniper Amateur
        Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
        -1
        Judging by the prices you mentioned - it was very long before my birth. smile
        In the ZSU - cigarettes were excluded from the allowance since April 01.04.2002, XNUMX. And then they generally began to "fight smoking". As a result, our "regulars" neighbors constantly vyglyanivayutsya smoke from us. In exchange for small useful buns, of course. The most popular item for exchange was RGN. laughing
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 3 May 2020 12: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: Sniper Amateur
          Judging by the prices you mentioned - it was very long before my birth.

          Seventies. Last century. wink Filter cigarettes-30 kopecks., In a solid pack-40 kopecks.
          1. Sniper Amateur
            Sniper Amateur 3 May 2020 12: 54 New
            -2
            I get it. Hmm ... Then 24 rubles. per month for quitting smoking - already the money should have been considered, as far as I know.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 3 May 2020 13: 14 New
              +3
              Private soldier received 3.80 (80 kopecks per smoke). Plus 5 rub. for 1 class, but before that it was necessary to become a specialist. Chest -9.80
              1. Gato
                Gato 3 May 2020 14: 44 New
                +1
                Plus 5 rub. for 1 class

                I had class I - surcharge 10 p., 5 p. - this is the second. With the I class at the position of the castle, the last six months, I received 24.50
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 3 May 2020 15: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gato
                  I had class I - surcharge 10 p., 5 p. - this is the second. With the I class at the position of the castle, the last six months, I received 24.50

                  A lot of water has flowed. You're right. Confused. I got first grade from second year.
                  I remembered another type of "specific" supply. With a height of 186 cm or 188 (I can also confuse) and above, a double "ration" was relied on.
                  1. Gato
                    Gato 3 May 2020 15: 11 New
                    +2
                    With a height of 186 cm or 187 (I can also confuse) and above, a double "ration" was relied on.

                    I don’t know for sure, it seems that it started from 190 cm. We didn’t have such, tea is not a guard of honor company request
                    But 154 cm was one, but he hamstered, as if he was 3 m tall. laughing
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 3 May 2020 15: 18 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Gato
                      We didn’t have such, tea is not a guard of honor company

                      I myself am 186 cm tall. Looks like the commanders didn’t bother much. And, I learned, already a demobilization. When a salag of heroic growth came into the battery. I haven’t seen it before or after! No shapes were found for its size. He left for a civilian, and he walked in slippers. Boots to order were also sewn to him. wink
                  2. Avior
                    Avior 3 May 2020 19: 51 New
                    +1
                    186 definitely not supposed to
                    from personal experience :)
                    we had a handball player, a fellow countryman, he was kicked out of the sports company for a while, he was above 190, he seemed to rely on something, and he even achieved something, but somehow he remembered it with a creak. Kashiperlovka offered at least a tank, but by the way more difficult :).
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 3 May 2020 20: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Avior
                      186 definitely not supposed to

                      I still suffer. wink
                      Seriously though, we were fed normally. Worked up a kilogram of 10, dropped again in civilian life. Barley was rarely cooked, although well cooked! If you have time, then supplements could be made. "Battery, finish eating, come out building." wink
                      There was one ensign. When he was in the outfit, he drove out the cooks, he conjured. ( not always). Everyone was waiting for him to step in.
                2. Sklendarka
                  Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gato
                  Plus 5 rub. for 1 class

                  I had class I - surcharge 10 p., 5 p. - this is the second. With the I class at the position of the castle, the last six months, I received 24.50

                  Precisely in the hole-lock 24 rubles and don’t go to the grandmother. DMB 79.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 3 May 2020 20: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Was Mammoth
            Quote: Sniper Amateur
            Judging by the prices you mentioned - it was very long before my birth.

            Seventies. Last century. wink Filter cigarettes-30 kopecks., In a solid pack-40 kopecks.

            Kishinevsky "Fluerash !! fellow "Troika Dukat fellow (Soviet!) Golden Fleece fellow also of those times ... Excellent cigarettes ... And now ... I don’t even know. I started to smoke a little .. A pack for four days ... A collection of blue .. No. It seems that nothing ... Expensive! Reptiles fascists, tearing a smoking person ... am
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 3 May 2020 12: 39 New
      +1
      Somehow, for the sake of fun (not so long ago) I bought a pack of tobacco ... I did not know that you can smoke branches. wink
  • Gato
    Gato 3 May 2020 11: 17 New
    +1
    All-Union Athlete's Day. Well, the professional holiday of aviators, of course ...

    laughing laughing laughing
  • Gato
    Gato 3 May 2020 11: 22 New
    +3
    They say that Red Star was especially popular.

    Ha, yes, and she in 1986-1988. enjoyed great popularity. True, not for self-rolls. repeat
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  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 3 May 2020 11: 54 New
    +3
    My father started smoking at the front after half of the console was blown away by a burst of Erlikon, and in another crew the pilot brought a navigator without a head - it was completely blown away by a burst. When I was a child I remember that my father preferred "Kazbek", then left.
    My son served urgently in 2010 after graduation. So they had a boy as a cook after the "Kalinar College", they summoned him from the restaurant. I cooked so that everyone was delighted.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 3 May 2020 12: 26 New
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      My grandfather also lit a cigarette in the war. Also a pilot (Li-2) and also brought the right, severed by the Messerschmitt lineup. True, smoking did not stop grandfather from surviving to 99 years old. In the people were!
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 3 May 2020 16: 41 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        My grandfather also lit a cigarette in the war. Also a pilot (Li-2) and also brought the right, severed by the Messerschmitt lineup. True, smoking did not stop grandfather from surviving to 99 years old. In the people were!

        And my grandfather, who Ivan, never smoked a cigarette in his entire life. He lost his leg in 15 (on the imperialist), and lived to be 96 years old.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    Well, about alcohol it was all about ... and they drank about every ... They drank, mostly after the fight; because. and they tried to give out vodka only after the battle ... In addition to vodka, they got moonshine, brew, if possible ... "did not disdain" trophy "alcohol (and he was also" everyone "... from German schnapps to French cognac ...).Dry wine also entered the diet of Red Navy submariners. At the same time, the sailors had an iron rule - either drink it yourself or refuse, do not pass it on to another! Well, I don't know "all the details", but in the "post-war peace" time I heard from those who allegedly served on submarines that there were agreements - "get-togethers, in groups" among submariners, when one day he drank one for everyone in the group ... the next day, another in the group ... With tobacco in the war, too, was for everyone ... Who smoked "Belomor", and who smoked makhorka ... (somehow, during service, our platoon sent to the outfit at the warehouse "to put things in order" ... there were found racks full of packets of shag (crumbs) ... but the "tobacco ration" was canceled in the army ... it is possible that this shag is still stored in that warehouse. ..) ... smoked and "trophies" ... there were also all sorts ... from Turkish and French cigarettes to German cigarettes, which were rolled paper soaked in nicotine ...
  • svp67
    svp67 3 May 2020 13: 31 New
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    They say that Red Star was especially popular.
    Which it was necessary to use with great caution, despite the fact that portraits of leaders and orders of the Supreme wouldn’t fall on a self-roll ...
  • Kramb
    Kramb 3 May 2020 13: 59 New
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    Quote: Free Wind
    Scientists have proven that a small amount of alcohol improves the reaction. There was no direct ban on use before the battle, but it was not welcomed either. There were many fairy tales about smoking. No one saw anything bad in this.

    At the time of the Second World War, according to the recollections of attack pilots, at the end of the day after the flights, they all drank - removed the wild tension, then to the side and slept like logs - otherwise it could not be. But part of the attack pilots, on the contrary, drank a little before the flight, arguing that it relaxed and made it possible to feel the car better and increased combat effectiveness in battle ...
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 3 May 2020 14: 22 New
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    in the 92nd, sitting sitting in the wilderness of the taiga of the Khabarovsk Territory, were left without smoking)) I also remember oak leaves with a little smoking)))))
  • hohol95
    hohol95 3 May 2020 14: 29 New
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    Alcohol, tobacco and sweets. On the specific contentment in the Red Army

    Dear author!
    It feels like such a contentment was only in the Red Army!
    Or in the army and navy of the Republic of Ingushetia did not rely on obligatory glasses of wine?
    The British army had the most generous rations: two ounces of tobacco per day (about 57 grams), while the French soldier was supposed to, for example, only 20 grams. The Germans had the most varied rations: they could include cigarettes or cigars, which, at the request of the smoker and if available in warehouses, could also be replaced with loose or snuff tobacco.
    The Russian army used stronger tobacco than shag.
    Before the war, soldiers themselves bought tobacco from their salary, but it was often impossible to do this in the frontline, because there was the practice of centralized, along with food, tobacco dispensing, with non-smoking money replaced if necessary.

    warspot.ru
    The gray smoke of the Great War
    Yaroslav Golubinov
  • Looking for
    Looking for 3 May 2020 15: 17 New
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    "They say that Krasnaya Zvezda was especially popular. They say. In Moscow, chickens are milked !!! And they also say that" special people "were noticed in using" Krasnaya Zvezda "for hand-rolled cigarettes. They were" given out "not 9 grams of lead, but in triple size.
  • Guazdilla
    Guazdilla 3 May 2020 16: 32 New
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    The meaning of the vodka portion in the situation at that time consisted in a primitive “sugrev” and the prevention of colds.

    And in the summer, why bask?


    From now on, only those who conducted offensive operations received the right to a daily cup. Initially, the proposed abstract "having success in hostilities" the Supreme crossed out, as well as the inscribed "double dose" of 200 grams.


    The rations of the Great Patriotic War should rather be called "Stalin", since from the very beginning to the end of the war it was the Supreme who kept this issue under personal control


    Among Russians, alcohol is best tolerated by indigenous people in the southern regions. All Caucasian peoples who are not nomadic, their descendants from mixed marriages , as well as hereditary Cossacks have active acetaldehydrogenase.
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/cyrillitsa.ru/pochemu-nekotorye-narody-luchshe-perenosiat-alkogol-5c52ce1646553600ac1ec132

    That's the whole story.




    Tobacco in the tsarist army began to be used as a result of misconception, according to which it was believed that it was a good antiseptic along with garlic and onions.

    The health effects of drinking alcohol and nicotine began to be revealed only later.


    But, someone already then profited from poison, and now even more so.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 3 May 2020 21: 51 New
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      We are four friends Russian Finnish Jew and mixed (similar to Tatars) So - Russian gram 500-600 and everything but sober mixed-liter and ready Finn and Jew still have not drunk each other (because of this they do not like one of the other)) And I must say that they drink more than 3 bubbles on the snout when we are going to the garage. I also knew a person who did not get drunk from vodka at all, although he had a slender physique (originally a little north of Moscow, looks like an ordinary Russian) But who would drink it for sure? And how does anyone endure? -Normally we endure everything without special burdens of a hangover (well, the last 5 years have been a little bit, but I think this is ecology)
      1. Guazdilla
        Guazdilla 3 May 2020 22: 17 New
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        This is probably normal if everything is accepted in the garage without consequences.
        And at the front, if a person from the eastern republics does not drink for Stalin and Stalin before the attack? And from the appetizer only pork stew, if any. Despite the fact that most eastern peoples have a genetic intolerance to alcohol.
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 3 May 2020 22: 24 New
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          Intolerance is from the north but they are not Muslims and the Chinese, for example, also Central Asia, they don’t drink and don’t eat pork, but because of faith and not everyone obeys (but this is their choice) Vegetarians won’t even get sores because animal proteins are needed by the body (but this is also their choice) - Well, that is, a deviation from the norm
          1. Guazdilla
            Guazdilla 3 May 2020 23: 15 New
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            I do not know. I have seen among Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and Kazakhs drinking with great health consequences. I read somewhere about barges loaded with meat for five minutes, mooring or only on the way to the pier of Stalingrad when trying to recapture the coastal strip.
            Among them were mainly Turkic-speaking, who could not and did not want to fight. How could they pack them in such a slaughterhouse, if not with the help of vodka and a machine gun from behind. In the same memoirs it was written that one of the Germans simply could not stand those mountains of corpses.
            If we talk about the benefits of those attacks in the Victory case, then a few crazy Germans, this is a very small price for those attacks.
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy 3 May 2020 23: 52 New
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              Well, drinkers in many countries have health problems, so this is rhetoric It would be very interesting to get a list of authors and the titles of books in which this is described because - "I read somewhere" - "It was written in the same memoirs" (a very vague statement) a- "they were mostly Turkic-speaking, unable and unwilling to fight." - looks like propaganda (especially considering that at that time the number of Turkic-speaking peoples was rather small compared to today's and it is completely incomprehensible how you can know that they were not knew how and did not want to fight Directly all ??? Not 1 or 10 or 100 but the whole mass?) For example, I read that the Ukrainians built pyramids))) Well, as for how to send to fight? As it was then, I honestly did not study the issue, but in general if a citizen of the state refuses to protect him, especially in wartime, then this article is only a question of which one And as far as I can know this applies to all countries and not only the USSR And the benefits of attacks can be considered only in the context the end result, namely, the destruction of the enemy grouping (and these were "fired" experienced troops) Until the end of the war, the Germans never recovered from this loss The quality of their troops was constantly falling You, forgive me, write some kind of "cliché" designed for a person not only without historical education but generally poorly educated with fragmentary and not critical thinking Once again I apologize if offended, but for me as a person who has been fascinated by history for 30 years and has several formations let's say "not very interesting" to respond to such statements
              1. Guazdilla
                Guazdilla 4 May 2020 00: 18 New
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                Well, let's move on to the specifics of the garage gatherings. Are you Russian, if not Finnish and Jewish? You have more or less normal cases with alcoholase. What questions? And here is education. My comment didn’t concern you at all. And therefore, I propose to immediately move the forest out of the garage.
                1. awdrgy
                  awdrgy 4 May 2020 10: 25 New
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                  How? This is a type of left hook walking along the road to the forest for barbecue and booze))
  • Federal1
    Federal1 4 May 2020 09: 50 New
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    An army of soldier soldiers under machine guns .... Cute ... so victory, shame and shame were forged
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 4 May 2020 10: 31 New
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      ???? 100g soldier ?! Yes, you will drink them anyway, you won’t notice, and under stress, what kind of health do you need to have (or rather lack thereof) in order to be healthy from 100g ?!))) And would you like the Germans to meet with injuries or attackers ??? This is a war and not only machine guns (it’s generally fun under mortars) And there are minefields (and often the situation does not allow calving as the Allies did) with all the ensuing
      1. Federal1
        Federal1 4 May 2020 10: 36 New
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        and losses with all that it implies, a drunken soldier is already a half-corpse in the attack, 50-100 and more likely 200 gr. in the field and nutrition, guaranteed a bunch of sores with the stomach of the liver, but who needed it. The marshals of victory filled up with meat ..., But the winners generally write the story, the Zhukov’s medals clung to themselves and half the country’s funeral
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 4 May 2020 10: 44 New
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          I’m telling you that you won’t be drunk from it, and you’re doing everything for you. When I worked at the plant as a youth (7 years), every day I spent 150-200 on the way home and polished it with beer (litrushka) and so all the hard workers and some who by a bubble and no heap of sores (what are you talking about?) Sores will appear if you continue like this after 10-15 years and then not everyone (verified by experience) and the war was less than 5
          1. Federal1
            Federal1 4 May 2020 10: 50 New
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            Well, you see a big guy)) in the same place the boys were 17-18 years old and he needed a lot ...
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy 4 May 2020 10: 57 New
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              Yes, not really-average build By the way, I can say for sure that at 20 my dose was more than for example at 35. Moreover, I had an unusual case, we sat in the bar until 6 o’clock in the morning, drank beer (well, 2 liters per person per night because the goal was not beer but women)) And at 10-11 am I was already at the narcologist (I received a certificate of rights) It is interesting that neither the pipe nor the urine showed that I drank literally 4 hours ago, but I admitted this to the doctor answered, well, it’s in youth, over time, you will be more careful with this
            2. Guazdilla
              Guazdilla 4 May 2020 11: 35 New
              +1
              Well, these big guys are now kovid and mowing.
              The choice of fate, which partakes of wine and the main miracle worker, turns water into wine.
              The whole non-Christian world froze in amazement, pity, and fright.
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 4 May 2020 20: 25 New
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                Yes, do not care. Let’s get sick, we’ll get well. Especially since I’ve got a “covid” type, not a single muscle on the jerk didn’t twitch, and I trust my sixth sense (I’ve never even caught a battalion commander with drunkenness in my time) and not that there Koresh says this because he is invisible (but he did not serve him forgivable)))
                1. Guazdilla
                  Guazdilla 6 May 2020 11: 06 New
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                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Латошинский_десант#Состав

                  About education. "When all other arguments run out, liquor is the last way to rectify the manageability situation in the team."
                  It was not in the books, but in the way that teachers spoke in everyday life at seminars and lectures.
                  From the book "Stalingrad" by Anthony Beevor, Part 10. "War of the rats" "......... Perhaps even more important than tobacco was vodka ration for the soldiers - one hundred front-line grams daily. This sacred rule was never violated. Vodka was shared in complete silence under the gaze of the soldiers. The tension after the battles was so great that the soldiers clearly did not have enough vodka. They had to look for other sources to satisfy their needs. The soldiers never encroached on surgical alcohol, it was always used for its intended purpose, but technical and even antifreeze was drunk with pleasure. but only after special “cleaning.” It was done this way: technical alcohol was passed through a carbon filter from a gas mask. It should be noted that not only a headache, but also blindness could result from the use of such drinks.
                  In units located in the steppe, soldiers sometimes drank a liter of alcohol a day. The vodka ration could have been increased by providing false loss reports. Natural exchange was also in great demand. The soldiers [172] exchanged their uniforms and equipment for alcohol. Home-made alcohol was very diverse, even moonshine, expelled from milk, was used. This exchange was much more dangerous for the civilian population than for the soldiers. There is a known case when a military tribunal of the NKVD sentenced two women to 10 years in prison for exchanging alcohol and tobacco for parachute silk, from which underwear was made. "

                  And the last thing. The favorite joke of my uncle, a front-line soldier who went through the whole of Stalingrad, was: "The Germans bastards, killed Pavlik Morozov."
                  1. awdrgy
                    awdrgy 6 May 2020 23: 36 New
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                    Not convincing (judging by the last name I was not in Stalingrad)) And judging by the content of the book, it has an idea mainly from the German side (which is suspicious). (obviously in Germany now there are no Germans "thanks" to him)) You would have dragged alternatives from history (do they know there the Germans flew to the moon on flying saucers yeah and were generally "super cool" supermen) Don't you believe? With Beaver in a parallel class, they apparently studied (or reality, as anyone)))
                    1. Guazdilla
                      Guazdilla 7 May 2020 00: 18 New
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                      Darwin and dinosaurs did not evolve together, Shakespeare together with Othello did not strangle Desdemona, Newton did not fall apples from branches, so that Vasya Pupkini does not believe British scientists, historians, writers.
                      1. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 7 May 2020 03: 46 New
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                        Let's just say Vasya always doubts (and not unreasonably) that their activities are good for him Although there are exceptions (this mainly concerns the fundamental sciences, because the experiment "somewhat" complicates the "brainwashing")
                    2. Guazdilla
                      Guazdilla 7 May 2020 09: 40 New
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                      Beaver in 1998 received an award for that and everyone liked it. And it was exactly when the "popularly elected", to the heap, also threw Serbs a year later.
                      And all hawali. But Ukraine still celebrated Victory Day with us. Now tough man, nowhere to retreat, behind Moscow. But in her and
                      the mausoleum will be closed as usual with plywood. But even if they don’t close it, there’s no one to go up and ride around it
                      from the cabinet. But the plan for the sale of alcohol was exceeded and we are already in the top five of the most civilized covoid ones. Nishtyak irony, with our health care.
                      But, what is up to this Guarani Indian. He has his own civilizational challenges. The loincloth slipped again.
                      1. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 8 May 2020 15: 16 New
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                        The mausoleum? -Yes, you can demolish it (although it will fall apart) Don't give a damn about the covid and forget about it, and alcohol will help us with this)) By the way, about the Indian, we need to be more careful here (or else you can "put the certificate on the table")
                      2. Guazdilla
                        Guazdilla 8 May 2020 21: 17 New
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                        At the foot of the mausoleum they threw the banners of the 3rd Reich, well, where will you get it? Apparently, we have only two holy dates left: the day of the parade on the Red Square of 1941, and the 9th of May. Despite the fact that military parades in the post-war period in the USSR never happened on May 9th. This is a fly with memorable dates. Yes, the mausoleum, if not yet? Could it really be that day of victory over the Polovtsian-Pecheneg invaders?
                        "... by the way, about Native American... "I still did not understand what nationality the author of posts on topwar is, who neutralizes alcohol in the garage, among other things. Therefore, I gave this character a collective name.
                        Descendants of the Incas guarani, araucans, mouisches, shipibo-conibo, varao, botokudo sober up after drinking, not having time to really get drunk. From the moment of their origin and almost until the beginning of the last century, these nationalities lived only by gathering fallen from the trees, overripe fruits. Therefore, today among the inhabitants of Mexico, Chile and Brazil, the lowest level of alcoholism is noted.
                        Source: https://virtyola.ru/meat/kakim-narodam-nelzya-pit-spirtnoe-pochemu-yakutam-nelzya-pit.html
                        ".... otherwise you can" put the certificate on the table ""
                        At the expense of cons. Shmali, do not be shy, if anything, I’m on the drum.
                      3. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 9 May 2020 14: 20 New
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                        Well, yes, you can leave the foot)) Come on, in childhood we ate apples "in tons" like all the kids (personal record with a friend, a small apple tree in a few days on the way to the river) Why just a minus? I haven't put them before, stupidly lazy. I have a different interest. By the way, do the blacks get drunk quickly or not?
                      4. Guazdilla
                        Guazdilla 18 May 2020 13: 04 New
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                        I heard about blacks that get drunk quickly.
                        By the way, if there are problems with the disposal of excess alcohol now, there is a good video to help.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvhPzIhLhNw
                      5. awdrgy
                        awdrgy 18 May 2020 21: 09 New
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                        thanks for the info
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 4 May 2020 19: 44 New
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    And what do you remember the commanders shot? Mind weak?
  • Gato
    Gato 4 May 2020 21: 30 New
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    Marshals of victory piled up with meat

    Again for the fish pennies ... Try to include logic and a little arithmetic. The population of the Reich in 1941 is 90 million (and this is without allies), the population of the USSR is 190 million. The ratio is 2.1 to 1, the ratio of the mob reserve is the same. If we assume that the USSR exhausted this reserve in 1945 (and it is not so) and the Reich also exhausted it (and this is so), then the ratio of losses for the entire war should also be close to 2 to 1. Somehow "filling up with meat" does not work.

    For example, the ratio of casualties to the killed and wounded Wehrmacht and Poland in 1939 was 54 thousand against 200 thousand. They also overwhelmed it with meat, but did not add it?
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 4 May 2020 23: 32 New
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      Something tells me that your arguments are useless. Not that contingent. And after all, what is characteristic. He overwhelmed the USSR with corpses in Europe, Japan also heaped up his image, and the brave Yankees with the Anglo-Saxons, if they had AOs, still pissed off to attack. But they really wanted to.
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    2. Ponchik78
      Ponchik78 5 May 2020 08: 20 New
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      Immediately came across an article on this topic. The combat losses of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army are approximately 1 in 1.3. But for the adherents of the sect of witnesses to the bloody marshals, this information does not matter)))
    3. Federal1
      Federal1 10 May 2020 11: 25 New
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      Germany fought almost the whole world against 2 giants of the USSR and the USA + hedgehogs like Britain, France and Poland at the end of the war, what mob reserve? they were always in the minority both in people and in technology, both in 41 and 45. 20 tanks from the USSR versus 000-3 Germany and so almost all the equipment, at the end of the war the proportion was already about 4000-1- against the Germans with given the forces in the West. Stop talking witlessly. Manage to almost prosra ..... the war at 10 and save my mother in the winter when everything froze and did not shoot and did not go with the chance that you need to be able to. And as for losses, real data will never be disclosed. I’m sure that the public will not stand such a disgrace and now
  • Ponchik78
    Ponchik78 5 May 2020 08: 16 New
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    IN is not at all a place where you can screw a childbearing organ into your ears about filling up with corpses))) So you can not try. Here such lies do not enter!
  • hjvtp1966
    hjvtp1966 12 May 2020 07: 54 New
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    Interestingly, only I have one feeling that in the Red Army they supplied their military personnel somehow, shitty shag and diluted vodka. And this attitude remained for the entire Soviet period.
    I served as soldiers at the end of the Soviet period, and when compared with civilian life, ordinary soldiers were fed and provided worse than cattle on a good state farm. Of course we were young, but the young do not care. Hopefully changed now.
    When you read how the Allies supplied their military personnel, and the Germans too, it becomes insulting, for our ordinary soldiers they somehow fed and robbed everyone and sundry ...