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Why the USSR collapsed so easily and why it still worries us

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Almost thirty years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but the majority of Russians who had this period did not experience nostalgia for those times. Of course, we can assume that the point is to idealize the era when these people were young. But then it is unclear why today very young people speak about the Soviet Union with almost the same warmth, many of whom, under the USSR, either walked under the table or even were not born.


It is unlikely that most of them have the reason for this nostalgia because, for example, Turkmenistan, Georgia or Estonia are no longer parts of the same state with them. I think it is more connected with the fact that the Soviet Union was one of the two poles of the bipolar world, one of the two powers that govern the world order. Russia of the 90s, which became the successor of the USSR, cannot even be closely compared in its significance with the Soviet Union. And people feel nostalgia not for the Soviet Union itself, but for the power that it possessed, for the social justice and equality that were the foundation of its ideology. Of course, it cannot be said that it was a society of universal justice and equality, but I really want to believe that to a large extent this was so.

I will not repeat for those who say that the Soviet Union destroyed Gorbachev, or that it was done by three people who signed a piece of paper in the Belarusian forests. They would simply not be able to do it. They are the final form of more than one year of the formation of elite content.


Not one person, not even three could do this with such a powerful superpower. After all, no one then defended the USSR: neither the party, nor the army, nor the special services. I don’t even want to mention the August attempt of the State Emergency Committee, the “putsch” was too strange and toothless.

And it happened at a time when the USSR was still alive, although centrifugal phenomena were actively growing. And no matter what the conspirators sought, their actions became the impetus after which the USSR could no longer resist.

And if you dig quite deeply, then, it seems to me, the problems of the USSR began to form even when it was created. I admit that the creators could have had no choice but to create from the wreckage of the Russian Empire, administratively consisting of the province, a union of national republics. Moreover, most of these 15 republics (at the beginning there were only four) had never before even a hint of statehood. There were 15 union republics, but with exactly the same success there could have been 3 or 33 of them.

This now seems natural to us this division into republics, and the borders seem quite logical, but sometimes they were carried out on someone’s whim or for momentary reasons.

Take, for example, the Donetsk region, which was part of the Ukrainian SSR. It was made up of pieces of three administrative units - the Yekaterinoslav and Kharkiv provinces, as well as the Don Army Region. To make predominantly agrarian Ukraine more industrial, they decided to dilute the peasant population with the proletariat. Donbass by willful decision was annexed to Ukraine, which almost a century later led to armed conflict. Roughly the same thing happened in the Caucasus and in other regions. The roots of many interethnic and interstate post-Soviet conflicts arose due to inept administrative division during the creation of the world's first socialist state.

The United States, which also has many nationalities, is unlikely to fall apart under the pressure of national administrative factors, because this country is not divided according to nationality. Each American state is multinational, it is impossible to draw national borders here. By and large, this is a repetition of the device of the Russian Empire. Although the empire, as you know, broke up not at all because of this.

The Soviet Union was arranged differently. Each republic had its own authorities, reminiscent of the authorities of individual states. Their parliaments, governments, ministries. Moreover, the right of these republics to self-determination provided for by Soviet laws, which they would sooner or later use (and use).

The very name of our country “Union of Republics”, even if Soviet and socialist, resembles some kind of interest club, which can be easily entered and just as easily left. And this did not happen until the Soviet Union was strong and powerful.


In the bowels of the USSR, from their very formation, individual states gradually ripened. As soon as the central power of the Union weakened a little, and then nothing could stop it from decay. And one should not be mistaken that the USSR was destroyed by Democrats, Russophobes, Gorbachev or aliens. This was done by the very people who had power in the Soviet Union, members of the Communist Party and "ideological Marxists." Many of them today, replacing the "badges" in power.

Take, for example, the fact that in most cases the first presidents of new nation-states formed on the ruins of the USSR were high-ranking party leaders, most often the first secretaries of the communist parties of the Soviet republics. Naturally, it is better to be the president of a small country than the regional leader of a large state.

It seems that the Soviet elite had good reasons to break up the USSR, moving to privatization and a market economy. She skillfully used the administrative resource and again found herself at the top of the “food chain” in the young state. I mean not only Russia, but also other post-Soviet republics. Former party apparatchiks, who used to lead people to the bright heights of communism, quickly and easily became democrats, nationalists, patriots - anyone, just to stay “at the helm”.

Of course, the specific administrative structure was not the only reason for the collapse of the USSR. There was still a mass of external and internal causes, accumulated problems. In one article it is simply impossible to consider all of them.

But, as it seems to me, today it is impossible to be neither for the Soviet Union, nor against it. He is no longer there, and will never be in the same format. It must be treated as part of its own stories. What happened has already happened, and it is impossible to change it. Both the creation and the collapse of the USSR have already happened, we now can not influence them in any way.

Unlike the present and the future, it is impossible to influence the past, therefore it should simply be accepted as it was. And you must always look forward to the future. Although questions remain to those who committed the collapse of a huge state, there can be no limitation period for such a crime (otherwise it is difficult to call it).
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 1 May 2020 09: 23 New
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    The reasons, as always, are not one!
    Look at the labeled face and expresses how we can ... late.
    All in one boat, after your ship allows you to drown.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 May 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      All in one boat, after your ship allows you to drown.

      Indeed, the ship was drowned along with the passengers, and they themselves left the water dry and continue to steer. They have already driven it so that the next ship will be split on the rocks ..
      For this reason, it is important that the top "managers" of the country are responsible for what they have done to the people. We must start with Gorbachev.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 1 May 2020 09: 40 New
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        Not one person, not even three could do this with such a powerful superpower.

        Degradation of the elites, their irremovability, lack of renewal. Now you can observe similar features.

        The irreplaceable Brezhnev contributed much to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was gone, but a new "Leonid Ilyich" came.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 1 May 2020 09: 50 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Degradation of the elites, their irremovability, lack of renewal. Now you can observe similar features.

          I think one of the signs of the degradation of the elites can be considered the situation when the sons of these elites not only do not try to enter the service in elite military units, but generally evade service.
          this means that their fathers also do not see in the defense of their fatherland not only a duty but also a privilege.
          such "elites" are no longer such as they have become simply parasitic.
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 1 May 2020 09: 54 New
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            Well, if your theory is correct, then the degradation of the modern Russian elite began right at the time of its occurrence.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 1 May 2020 11: 51 New
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              modern Russian elite

              There is none. There is a thieves organized crime group. Kodla with the service staff.
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 1 May 2020 16: 21 New
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                Quote: lexus
                modern Russian elite

                There is none. There is a thieves organized crime group. Kodla with the service staff.

                The elite is the best
                representatives of the people in the country. These are the most intelligent and talented people: scientists, writers, teachers, athletes, architects, doctors
                and many other outstanding people in their field.
                Who and when began to call the "elite" officials and their
                children, it is incomprehensible and strange.
                1. Tugarin
                  Tugarin 1 May 2020 19: 16 New
                  -1
                  Who and when began to call the "elite" officials and their
                  kids, strange and weird

                  They themselves, as well as media bought
                2. alimov76
                  alimov76 2 May 2020 14: 47 New
                  +1
                  in the capitalist world of the elite, they are owners, smart or dumb, it doesn’t matter, but who you listed, they serve the elite, or the ruling class.
            2. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 1 May 2020 13: 07 New
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              The creeping counter-revolution of the petty-bourgeois element. penetrated the higher and other organs of the party and state, in the absence of civil society and the support of this element from the capitalist circle, which decided its crisis economic and ideological goals. This was said by the classics .. V.I. Lenin (warned of penetration into party and government bodies people with petty-bourgeois elements) and then And To Stalin (speaking of the intensification of the class struggle in the state with the victory of socialism) ..
              Gorbachov. Primakov. Andropov et al.
              The question is different - why has not yet been given a legal assessment by the new government of the Russian Federation. As the legal successor of the USSR to those illegal acts and the persons who took part in them ??????
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 04 New
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                Quote: To be or not to be
                -why still no legal assessment has been given by the new government of the Russian Federation. as the legal successor of the USSR to those unlawful acts and the persons who took part in them ??????

                because the fruits of counterrevolution took advantage of the new Russian authorities. They cannot execute themselves!
              2. Kisa
                Kisa 1 May 2020 20: 09 New
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                do not you think that the federal state on paper was too centralized. Moscow absorbed all the cash flows of the outskirts of the empire, however, as it is now. look at the States - relatively no Washington, especially Canada - Ottawa is such a Zadrischen compared to their major cities ....
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 7 May 2020 10: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kitty
                  Moscow absorbed all the cash flows of the outskirts of the empire, however, as it is now. look at the states - relatively no washington

                  In the United States, the federal budget is really pulling money from the states.
                  Quote: kitty
                  I eat more than Canada - Ottawa is such a Zadrischen compared to their major cities ....

                  It's not about the population of the capital. In the USA, Canada and Australia, capitals perform only administrative functions and no more. They do not build factories.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 1 May 2020 10: 00 New
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            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            I think one of the signs of degradation of the elites can be considered the situation when the sons of these elites not only do not try to get into the service in elite military units, but generally evade service

            Of course. Real elites are those who take responsibility, participate in the most important and dangerous things ... Those of the elites who flee from danger and responsibility, use their elitist position, only for their own well-being - they are not considered real elites. These are rather parasitic elites. Parasites.

            But how many current elitists can be attributed to the present?
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 1 May 2020 10: 24 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              Of course. Real elites are those who take responsibility, participate in the most important and dangerous things ...

              So Yeltsin took upon himself all the fullness of power and responsibility, did you like it? Sorry, but I saw such a responsible elite in a coffin.
              And at the expense of the collapse of the Union ... Well, yes, well, yes, only even in 1985 with the arrival of Humpbacked, no one in a nightmare could imagine the independence of the RSFSR from the other republics. Labeled and Co., prepared everything for collapse, driving the people to a frenzy with their "reforms" and quietly merged in Foros, transferring power to the "responsible" drunkard, in whom the people believed like hell.
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 3 May 2020 00: 04 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              Real elites are those who take responsibility
              Who claimed responsibility for the collapse of the USSR? Or did we have no elite there? Like, all comrades, no elites, but are the comrades Gorbachev and Yeltsin personally responsible for the collapse of the country, who are now not comrades at all to us?
          3. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 1 May 2020 10: 43 New
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            during the time of RI, all children served the country. fought and died. it did not save her.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 11: 38 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              during the time of RI, all children served the country. fought and died. it did not save her.

              Hundreds of thousands were draped from the front of the WWII with cuts in the bosom.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 1 May 2020 12: 01 New
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                Yeah, and then they became the shock force of the Revolution.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 1 May 2020 12: 09 New
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                this is a lie. Of course, there were such, but the word honor then skillfully had a greater meaning than now. Why pour these feces on traditions and military service to the country of their ancestors? In addition to the fact that in general the entire officer corps of the entire Russian army in the year 14 was 98000. If we talk about the categories of officers, then in 1912 among the chief officers hereditary nobles amounted to 50,36%, among the headquarters officers - 71,46%. and among generals - 87,45 percent. look at the award sheets of these people who have George 2 degrees, for example, from ancient noble families. how many wounds they have. Generals Brusilov and Selivanov. Alekseev. Did they run?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 12: 30 New
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  this is a lie.

                  The numbers dance from 195 thousand people according to the rate, up to two million.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 1 May 2020 12: 42 New
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                    I called the number of officers quite specific.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 13: 45 New
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      I called the number of officers quite specific.

                      And what have the officers to do with it? The bulk was called up from the peasants who were fed up with this war.
              3. Yury Siritsky
                Yury Siritsky 1 May 2020 12: 12 New
                -11
                There is such a fantasy in your sore brain.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 12: 31 New
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                  Quote: Yuri Siritsky
                  There is such a fantasy in your sore brain.

                  Correct in your gyrus.
          4. Insurgent
            Insurgent 1 May 2020 10: 58 New
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            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            I think one of the signs of the degradation of the elites can be considered the situation when the sons of these elites not only do not try to enter the service in elite military units, but generally evade service.
            this means that their fathers also do not see in the defense of their fatherland not only a duty but also a privilege.
            such "elites" are no longer such as they have become simply parasitic.

            I will unequivocally support your judgment, which looks particularly egregious against the background of the service nobles (no matter how we treat them) in the Russian army in the XVII-XVIII-XIX centuries ...

            Served и were dying in battle...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 11: 10 New
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              Yeah. Especially in the 18th and 19th centuries when the nobles finally turned into a parasite estate.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 1 May 2020 11: 21 New
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                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Yeah. Especially in the 18th and 19th centuries when the nobles finally turned into a parasite estate.

                I am not inclined to idealize the nobility, but you can’t hide their military merits before the Fatherland during the 17-19 centuries ...

                Как THESE cross out of the history of Russia? / and this, as you know, is not all /



                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 11: 41 New
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                  This is precisely what is idealized. Forgetting by whose efforts Russia ultimately lagged behind the advanced countries of the world. It was thanks to the nobles who slowed down economic development, which preserved the economy and persistently kept to their privileges. Here many blaarod descendants of serfs who entered the market like to talk about bloody Bolsheviks. At the same time, stubbornly ignoring the fact that such a heavy price had to be paid to the people precisely thanks to these notorious gentlemen who tightened the serfdom to the point that the peasant was not much different from cattle in their rights. Which could be sold, gifted, exchanged as a thing. Instead of developing industry, the nobles preferred to knock out the last pennies from serfs and squander whole fortunes in Europe. Which, when the emancipation of the peasants became historically inevitable, they shamelessly pushed his predatory version to him later on and came around in 17. Where there Lenin before such bombs that the nobles planted, there are not bombs, but bombs. Megatonic.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 1 May 2020 12: 11 New
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                    We are talking about officers from the nobility of which there were a huge number. what and how did they slow down ?! there is a site where most of the award-winning fighters have award sheets and a biography.
                    https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes. поройтесь . это очень интересно. Может своих предков найдете там.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 12: 19 New
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      We are talking about officers from the nobility of which there were a huge number. what and how did they slow down ?!

                      Economic development of Russia. Read carefully. They were hindered by the fact that they were in no hurry to give up their privileges and the backward agrarian economy.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 1 May 2020 12: 32 New
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                        How do officers influence the state economy? you in my opinion do not understand who it is. I repeat, we are talking about military officers of the Republic of Ingushetia. most of which were the upper class.
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 12: 35 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        How do officers influence the state economy? you in my opinion do not understand who it is. I repeat, we are talking about military officers of the Republic of Ingushetia. most of which were the upper class.

                        You have already decided there somehow finally. First you have officers from the nobility, then just officers, then spherical officers in a vacuum.
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 1 May 2020 12: 45 New
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                        read carefully simply and no questions arise. I even indicated the percentage of nobles. among the officers there were a huge number of nobles. tens of thousands. did they slow down the economy while serving their country?
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 12: 56 New
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                        You start to annoy me with your demagoguery. Show your children’s tricks of taking conversation away from the main topic to yourselves. It was originally about nobles. And yes, if officers are part of the nobility, then they are also participants in economic and political processes in which all the nobility participated. Will you still have miserable attempts at stupid demagogy or will you quit?
                      5. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 1 May 2020 13: 20 New
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        read carefully simply and no questions arise. I even indicated the percentage of nobles. among the officers there were a huge number of nobles. tens of thousands. did they slow down the economy while serving their country?

                        And when they suppressed peasant revolts all over Russia, drowned the peasant uprisings of Razin, Bolotnikov, Bulavin, Pugachev in blood, supporting the "progressive" serfdom in Russia?
                        When were people trafficked like cattle?
                        When was dissent crushed?
                        It was this system that was a brake on the development of the country, and the nobility supported it in their interests.
                        So many fought more for ranks and awards, yes for their privileges than for Russia.
                  2. ANB
                    ANB 2 May 2020 23: 53 New
                    +1
                    To become a nobleman an officer was much easier than the rest of the estates. Hence your interest.
                    Better give what percentage of the nobles of their total number went to serve.
                    Especially ordinary.
                2. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 2 May 2020 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Economic development of Russia. Read carefully. They were slowed down because they were in no hurry to give up their privileges

                  Who and when in a hurry refuse to fail !?
              2. Vasya17
                Vasya17 4 May 2020 15: 04 New
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                noble officers just fought for the fact that they would continue to own land and peasants on it, so that Count Suvorov would live from the earnings of 200 thousand serfs, and not some Earl (e.g.) De La Fer, they had something to lose and they understood it perfectly
            2. lucul
              lucul 1 May 2020 15: 03 New
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              At the same time, stubbornly ignoring the fact that such a heavy price had to be paid to the people precisely thanks to these notorious gentlemen who tightened the serfdom to the point that the peasant was not much different from cattle in their rights.

              Rape and slander. In fact, the main infringement of the peasants was in terms of movement, it was forbidden to change their place of residence, but still, many fled to the Cossacks. The second - the peasants did not have their own land and worked off corvee. There is a very important nuance here - corvée, the peasant worked 5 days a week, and two more days left to work for himself. And in Europe, the peasant worked the feudal lord all seven days a week.
              Otherwise, there are no differences, only everyone forgets about Europe, but they strongly remember and stick out about Russia.
              In Europe, peasants were freed from feudal dependence, so that they fell into a loan dependence, it was for this that destroyed feudalism.
              Read the notes of English travelers who, inspired by the successes of Columbus, decided to sail the northern route to India and stumbled upon Muscovy (their term), and what shock they experienced from traveling from Arkhangelsk to Moscow, specifically from the satiety of the people. This was during the time of Ivan the Terrible.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 1 May 2020 15: 14 New
                +1
                This is in theory, but in practice, corvée happened and more plus, not everywhere in Europe there was a tough enslavement. I'm not talking about the fact that the abolition of serfdom took place several centuries earlier than in Russia
              2. ANB
                ANB 3 May 2020 01: 49 New
                0
                . what shock they experienced from traveling from Arkhangelsk to Moscow, specifically from the satiety of the people. This was during the time of Ivan the Terrible.

                Serfdom under Ivan the Terrible and after Catherine 2 are very different things. Catherine finally turned the peasants into slaves.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 3 May 2020 01: 51 New
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                  Serfdom under Ivan the Terrible and after Catherine 2 are very different things.

                  You can’t sleep)))
                2. ANB
                  ANB 3 May 2020 01: 53 New
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                  I put the child down. :)
                  I will add that it was under Catherine that the nobles began to turn into parasites.
          5. Svarog
            Svarog 1 May 2020 20: 51 New
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            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            At the same time, stubbornly ignoring the fact that such a heavy price had to be paid to the people precisely thanks to these notorious gentlemen who tightened the serfdom to the point that the peasant was not much different from cattle in their rights. Which could be sold, gifted, exchanged as a thing. Instead of developing industry, nobles who preferred to knock out the last pennies from serfs and squander whole fortunes in Europe

            Great comment. hi good hi
          6. Who am I
            Who am I 2 May 2020 08: 57 New
            -1
            I then have questions for you, who went against the government in December 1825, are the nobles by chance? Who formed the radical circles? Who went to the people to promote the ideas of socialism, not the nobles?
            1. Russian jacket
              Russian jacket 3 May 2020 03: 53 New
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              Too shy to ask. How many of these so-called revolutionaries had serfs? And how did they go to the people, and most importantly, who? What are the last names? Like it's Pestel, Ryleyev, but maybe Lunin. At the same time, enlighten me, how many such decent types took children from Siberia with them after finishing the exile that they did to simple peasant women?
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 1 May 2020 11: 22 New
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        Most nobles nevertheless served even after this service became voluntary. And in the event of war, this voluntariness was canceled.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 12: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Most nobles nevertheless served even after this service became voluntary. And in the event of war, this voluntariness was canceled

          What is incomprehensible in the word - to parasitize? What from that serf peasant whom even Yuryev’s day wasn’t returned to?
    2. Gato
      Gato 1 May 2020 11: 29 New
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      In 1762, Peter III issued a manifesto "On the granting of liberty and freedom to the entire Russian nobility," according to which the nobility was exempted from the compulsory service introduced (if I am not mistaken) by Peter I.
      "This paper produced an indescribable pleasure" (C). Prosecutor General A.I. Glebov proposed to the Senate to build a golden statue as a token of gratitude of the nobility.
      Catherine II confirmed the main provisions of this manifesto in 1785, in fact then the nobility began to turn from the elite into parasites.
  2. lucul
    lucul 1 May 2020 14: 32 New
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    I think one of the signs of the degradation of the elites can be considered the situation when the sons of these elites not only do not try to enter the service in elite military units, but generally evade service.
    this means that their fathers also do not see in the defense of their fatherland not only a duty but also a privilege.
    such "elites" are no longer such as they have become simply parasitic.

    To begin with, the elite must be national, if in your country, the whole elite has a different nationality, and most importantly, a different mentality than the indigenous people (and the Russians and Jews have a different mentality), then there can be no talk of any long-term development of the country in principle, at best it will be a colony. But in fact - the Khazar Khaganate, where the elite has one nationality and mentality, and the people have another.
    This is for those who do not see trees in the forest .....
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 1 May 2020 15: 24 New
      +2
      It is strange in the empire that you so praise the emperors had German blood, but that did not bother them.
  3. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 2 May 2020 19: 16 New
    +2
    With the “elites,” the respected Maki Avellyevich, the USSR had logical problems. Were then, not gone now. The elite is not only mind, health and a good profile. She, the elite, needs a spiritual and moral STEM. If he is not there, then this is no longer an elite, but a PARODY to her. The void is empty.
    ,, The light flashed, already in 1937. The most powerful conspiracy in a young promising state. The military, police, clergy, civilian experts ... Most are active and successful participants in the Civil War on the side of the Reds. How did it happen? Why did such a mutation happen? After all, not only Tukhachevsky wanted, especially warm, relations with Germany. What did they have in their heads?
    Russians have long had an answer to this question. For hundreds of years, Russians have known this expression, characterizing an empty humanoid about - without a Tsar in his head. If a little man does not understand that he, in full view, in front of the Creator, you should give him at least a count on his head. Miraculous and will be strange, dirty and will dirty ... Yesterday he is a communist, today he is a market man, and tomorrow he is an ordinary satanist.
    On each page of the Russian passport, stylized three sixes frame the page number. ,, Of course ,,? ,,Accidentally,,? ,, It seemed ,,?
    Two SAME heads of a heraldic eagle ... More than one and a half thousand years ago in the Eastern Roman Empire (so-called. ,, Byzantium ,,) already knew, understood the importance of the spiritual component of state building. What for the sake of the XX century had to follow the lead of the Satanists? Why are we going now? What can be told about smart and intelligent things, shown to us, PEOPLE?
    ... Participation in the Great Patriotic War did not help, academies, excellent salaries, state transfers, evening dresses and gold jewelry for wives did not help. Stalin was not able to educate the “red” elite on this and everything. Without clear ideas about the MAIN, they turned out to be, to put it mildly, not quite reliable guys. The leader was not saved, as were his faithful associates, the world's first state of workers and peasants, eventually overslept.
    Which official is possible without basic spiritual and moral concepts? Without an oath of allegiance to a particular MAN in the presence of a particular priest? What real judgment is possible without a REAL oath in the face of the Creator? ... Parody and I am there, a parody here. What are we hoping for then? To ,, good luck ,,? A liar in the form of a paramedic, with a purchased diploma, ,, successfully ,, will do you surgery ,,? A liar and a dummy in a police uniform, successfully, will detain you for a, funny, offense? A liar and a dummy in military uniform, successfully, will bring down an airplane with a competent and trained foreign pilot? Will it hit?
    Our ancestors were stronger than us in spiritual matters. Therefore, they were stronger in the ability to educate the elite. Stronger in state building. That is why RI Helsingfors (Helsinki) and Warsaw, Verny (Alma-Ata) and Tiflis (Tbilisi) were part of ...
    The Union collapsed because its citizens, ate, the remains of Christian morality. What could the training, communists, security forces, officials do to protect their state?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 May 2020 10: 21 New
    +3
    The process of degradation of the elites was not accidental. It was a natural mechanism of the Soviet system. And it is a matter of time before the elite decides to exchange power for property with an attempt to maintain power.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 1 May 2020 10: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Pavel57
      The process of degradation of the elites was not accidental. It was a natural mechanism of the Soviet system.

      degradation is a natural mechanism built into any system (not only Soviet but also any in the universe) the question is how long the system operates until its inevitable collapse.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 May 2020 11: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        The question is how long the system functions until its inevitable collapse.

        This is the exact answer.
      2. lucul
        lucul 1 May 2020 15: 09 New
        -2
        degradation is a natural mechanism built into any system (not only Soviet but also any in the universe)

        (yawning) Well, let's tell us about the degradation of the rabbinate))))
        Degradation is when an "invisible" (for the uninitiated) takeover of control of the system occurs, everything is the point of the beginning of degradation, then only the fading of the system.
        And since the rabbinate, no one has yet been able to seize control over their entire history, degradation does not shine for them. )))
        Therefore, one should not mislead people here ....
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 1 May 2020 10: 32 New
      10
      Quote: Pavel57
      The process of degradation of the elites was not accidental. He was natural the mechanism of the Soviet system. And it is a matter of time before the elite decides to exchange power for property with an attempt to maintain power.

      In general, it is true. But, do not call the process of degradation of the elites - the mechanism of the Soviet system.

      Such degradation can be in any system where there is usurpation, irremovability and the lack of social elevators. Elite Degradation and now it follows the same principle, although there is no "Soviet system".
      1. Gato
        Gato 1 May 2020 11: 37 New
        +6
        The degradation of the elites is still proceeding according to the same principle, although there is no "Soviet system"

        I think the process of decomposition of any so-called. The "elite" begins with a violation of the balance of rights and obligations, well, this is when the rights are practically unlimited, and only the observance of external decency remains of the obligations (and even then it is not necessary).
  • NordUral
    NordUral 1 May 2020 10: 25 New
    13
    What are the elite guys? Thieves, traitors and just enemies. And their successors.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 1 May 2020 10: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: NordUral
      What are the elite guys? Thieves, traitors and just enemies. And their successors.

      that is.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 1 May 2020 12: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    Now you can observe similar features.

    Well, yes, how ?! To begin with, even the government of the USSR, and the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, did not manage the state development strategy under the USSR. Do you catch the difference? In his orthodoxy lies the bulk of the reasons for the collapse of the Big Country.
    Quote: Stas157
    In many ways, the collapse of the Soviet Union was promoted by the irreplaceable Brezhnev

    It would have been necessary, and Brezhnev would have been ousted, like Khrushchev. Do you really think that countries are commanded by individuals? And even today, Putin is just the senior figure in the team that is in power today. In most cases, teams determine the ways in which leaders conduct their entire official policies.
    Although the questions of "similarity" and "differences" are very subjective, and arguing over them is a thankless task.
  • alone
    alone 1 May 2020 12: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Stas157
    In many ways, the collapse of the Soviet Union was facilitated by the irreplaceable Brezhnev.

    That's it ... Only that's why the current authorities have chosen the same path, it is not clear
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 1 May 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      -Probably, because most of those who are now in power are immigrants from the Union, they were born there, brought up there, studied and formed as individuals ...
      - Because of this, they could not come up with any alternative way ... and they cannot.
      1. alone
        alone 1 May 2020 13: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: saygon66
        -Probably, because most of those who are now in power are immigrants from the Union, they were born there, brought up there, studied and formed as individuals ...
        - Because of this, they could not come up with any alternative way ... and they cannot.

        I don’t want to lose the feeder, so they sit at the posts like nailed ... They will do anything, just to be in power
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 1 May 2020 13: 28 New
          0
          - Well, that’s understandable ... Upstairs, they’re just climbing for material well-being! This, in general, is natural ...
          - How much worse when people rush to the helm, loudly declaring themselves silver-free ...
          - And if the former keep the path strictly to the trough, then the latter can lead unknowingly where ...
          1. alone
            alone 1 May 2020 13: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: saygon66
            - And if the former keep the path strictly to the trough, then the latter can lead unknowingly where ...

            The irremovability of power has never, nowhere led to anything good ... Proven by history ..
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 1 May 2020 14: 23 New
              +1
              - Not at all! Her frequent change is the same ... It would be strange to wake up every morning with the newly proclaimed regime! wink
              - We need a middle ground ... And, yes, it is worth clarifying - a change of power or a change of order?
              - And then they don’t see some differences ... laughing
              1. alone
                alone 1 May 2020 14: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: saygon66
                Not at all! Her frequent change is the same ... It would be strange to wake up every morning with the newly proclaimed regime!

                This only happens in banana republics.
                Quote: saygon66
                - We need a middle ground ... And, yes, it is worth clarifying - a change of power or a change of order?

                We need effective control over the power and its actions ... Power, change of regime, it makes no difference when thieves sit in power and hide behind the socialist slogans and rob the state .. Power must be responsible for its steps before the people ... But no one is interested in regret popular opinion ... Pocket closest
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 1 May 2020 14: 41 New
                  +1
                  - And who will control the controlling ones? wink
                  - There is an opinion (!) That the authorities always strive to concentrate their fullness in one hand ...
                  - One-man management, autocracy, etc.
                  - It was an attempt ... All kinds of parliaments, thoughts, veche ... The most frequent result of all this is civil wars and again. the collapse of the Empires ...
                  - And the less democracy - the longer the Empire ... And the Roman and Ottoman ....
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 10 New
                +5
                Quote: saygon66
                It would be strange to wake up every morning under the newly proclaimed regime!

                To begin with, it is necessary to observe the terms of the president’s stay in power and his mandatory accountability and succession. Take the trump. How they slander him and look for incriminating evidence! The branches of power should compete and follow each other, and not steal everything together from one trough.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 1 May 2020 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  - Here, by the way, about trumps! In Soviet times, we were taught that the change of president - conservative to president - democrat, in the USA, is nothing more than a circus performance for the people ...
                  - The one-party system was presented with dignity ... Who is right?
              3. AUL
                AUL 1 May 2020 20: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: saygon66
                Not at all! Her frequent change is the same ... It would be strange to wake up every morning with the newly proclaimed regime!

                Well, who talks about the frequent (every morning) shift? In our Constitution (this is the basic law of the state) it was fixed - 4 years and re-elections. True, for some people this "will not be enough", changed for 6 years. Well, and then they completely invented zeroing, they dragged it into the constitution. At the request of the workers, of course. Under the guise of protecting the right to work, to medicine and the protection of the Russian language.
                In the old swamp, the water is always rotten!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 1 May 2020 20: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: AUL
                  In the old swamp, the water is always rotten!

                  and rotten water, as you know, turns into a swamp, which we now observe and where Russia is sucking deeper and deeper.
          2. saygon66
            saygon66 1 May 2020 15: 56 New
            +1
            -ABOUT! The wordless minusers woke up!
      2. lucul
        lucul 1 May 2020 15: 24 New
        -1
        Well, that’s understandable ... Upstairs they’re just climbing for material well-being! This, in general, is natural ...
        - How much worse when people rush to the helm, loudly declaring themselves silver-free ...
        - And if the former keep the path strictly to the trough, then the latter can lead unknowingly where ...

        Only a MENTALLY HEALTHY person can "rule". The trouble is that such a person does not need POWER. (How can we not recall Vespasian or Marcus Aurelius).
        Those who are eager for power cannot rule by definition .... It is no coincidence that the Cossacks (Zaporizhzhya Sich, etc.) had a custom - when choosing an ataman, they should be refused three times. By this, a man showed that he accepts power only under pressure from the public and for the benefit of society, perfectly understanding the burden of power and responsibility for decisions made, and not HAPUGU, which climbs into power only for personal enrichment and, again, personal self-affirmation (an attempt to drown out their complexes with power )
        Let me remind you that Putin was not eager for power, he was "pushed" there, sufficiently "mature" in thinking, personality. Ie, in fact, he is a protege from the elites, and not a grabber striving for power.
        Ah, the topic is long and extensive - too lazy to write on the phone ....
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 1 May 2020 16: 20 New
          +2
          - Decisive - a dime a dozen! Responsible - catastrophically lacking ....
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: lucul
          Let me remind you that Putin was not eager for power, he was "pushed" there, sufficiently "mature" in thinking, personality.

          I partially agree with you. According to the memoirs of Yumashev or Berezovsky, when he was offered the presidency, he agreed to the position of the Gazprom. And then, sorry. He became furious, imagines himself to be God, and set off in all serious ways. Lied on the go, that with the change of power, that with pensions, that with the inviolability of the constitution.
        3. Spacedeveloper
          Spacedeveloper 2 May 2020 01: 23 New
          0
          He didn’t yearn for power, would be engaged in science or business, but he did what he did.
        4. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 3 May 2020 09: 08 New
          0
          I really disagree about the elites .. that the henchman ... Primakov’s team said ebony, and he did not go anywhere. Do all local analysts think that Putin himself ruined everything? And the problems simply appeared other, on a different level of the spiral.
          1. lucul
            lucul 3 May 2020 09: 10 New
            0
            I strongly disagree about the elites .. that a protege ...

            Did you forget 1999? )))
            How did Putin become prime minister? )))
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 3 May 2020 09: 37 New
              +1
              type out of nowhere? laughing And how did he become? Enlighten the ignorant.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      But that’s why the current authorities have chosen the same path, it’s not clear

      why is it not clear? They come from the nomenclature of the CPSU, studied according to Soviet textbooks, are morally unstable, prone to profit and lies. Qualities possessed by the top of the CPSU.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    Degradation of the elites, their irremovability, lack of renewal. Now you can observe similar features.

    strongly disagree! The current elite does not degrade because elite representatives have been degraded from the beginning. Degradation aggravated and progressing
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 1 May 2020 13: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Silvestr
      The current elite does not degrade because elite representatives have been degraded from the beginning.

      On the moral side, that's for sure. Others do not fall into this circle.
  • zenion
    zenion 2 May 2020 13: 18 New
    0
    In 1985, I realized that the USSR would fall apart, after Labeled began Khrushch's policy. This is how it happened. They took me to show-off - are you against the Soviet regime? He answered not against the government, but against those who began to rule this government. In 1988-89, they began to change the secretaries of regional and district committees. That's when the secretary's son told me - you were right. And everything began to collapse. Here they write that no one, no three can destroy the country. They forgot what Comrade Stalin said - one spy can do more harm than the whole army. The saboteurs destroyed the country. But before that, there was propaganda, starting from 1985 until the collapse, that we would rebuild and live even better. In order to back it up, the industry has collapsed in stores, empty shelves. It was not we who shouted at the authorities, it’s just that socialism in this form is not viable and the people agreed - it’s impossible to live like that. Everything turned out exactly as in Germany the people elected Hitler to power. Now everything is done in the country, according to Hitler's book "My Struggle". The Slavs do not need schools and knowledge, they need churches and condoms so that they do not multiply.
  • flicker
    flicker 2 May 2020 16: 36 New
    0
    Elite Degradation
    This is yes.
    Further doubtful:
    their irremovability, lack of updating.
    there are many examples when "irremovability" contributes to the good of the country (Stalin, Roosevelt), or changeability brings harm to the country (Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin).
    Instead of the USSR, Russia appeared, why not update?
    And what got better? Change, renewal on the face.

    In many ways, the collapse of the Soviet Union was facilitated by the irreplaceable Brezhnev.

    Stalin can also be called "irreplaceable". And what, his "irremovability" also contributed to the collapse of the country?
    ---
    The USSR was betrayed by the elite, and the head of state (Gorbachev) indulged her.
    The people in a referendum supported the preservation of the Union.
    Conclusion: the elite is great.
    ***
    Putin got the elite no better than the Soviet one; part of the current elite (Westerners) is also not averse to destroying Russia now. But Putin and the other part of the elite (national) do not allow the "Westerners" to destroy Russia.
    Now "Westerners" are getting out of their way, carrying out media attacks (through corrupt media, social networks, bloggers), hitting Putin, and through him and the stability of Russia.
    And someone waving them.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 1 May 2020 09: 43 New
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    Here you have to start with Gorbachev.

    So far, only orders have been hanged for him.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 May 2020 10: 03 New
      23
      Why the USSR collapsed so easily and why it still worries us

      Why did it break up so easily?

      - Yes, because its collapse was led by a whole "galaxy" of scoundrels, double-dealing, hiding under the guise of CPSU functionaries ...

      Why does it still bother us?

      - Yes, because traitors, villains, and their heirs, have not left the system of state power.

      Which is actually alarming ...
      1. unaha
        unaha 1 May 2020 11: 00 New
        +4
        “Yes, because its collapse was led by a whole 'galaxy' of double-dealing scoundrels hiding under the guise of CPSU functionaries" - what kind of system of government is this then, in which double-dealing scoundrels easily become its leaders and there are no mechanisms to prevent such usurpation? ))
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 May 2020 11: 04 New
          +2
          And here is the CORRECT QUESTION, by the way!
          No system can be considered correct, stable, which cannot respond effectively, withstand external influences! We are not discussing a banana republic, but about a huge country rich in all respects!
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 May 2020 09: 15 New
        0
        Nooo. Scoundrels go there under various pretexts ..... etc. trying to leak. The bulk is sifted out, but those that have leaked give such a "heat", .....
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 1 May 2020 10: 27 New
      12
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: Svarog
      Here you have to start with Gorbachev.

      So far, only orders have been hanged for him.

      And in Russia 1 they propose to erect monuments to collaborators and fascist henchmen.
      Oh times, about morals! fellow
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 May 2020 10: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        And in Russia 1 offer monuments to collaborators and fascist henchmen

        Note that our money contains these jelly ones, but they are going to install our money and monuments.
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Oh times, about morals!

        This is a betrayal with special cynicism.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 1 May 2020 10: 49 New
          10
          Quote: Malyuta
          This is a betrayal with special cynicism.

          Now these concepts are called differently, namely, the fight against the "totalitarian" past. lol
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 May 2020 12: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Malyuta
      So far, only orders have been hanged for him.

      Everything is very interesting here. I am a person who grew up in a village and from the age of 14 worked as a plower, a hayman, a pull-out operator and a tractor driver on a DT-20 and MTZ-5 MS at the age of 16, and this is all during the summer holidays, and in the fall in the harvesting shop and as an assistant to the combine harvester as a "stacker" , yes, how many days of this harvest. Well, how can you earn an order as a "stacker"? Yes, we had only one order-bearer for the entire RTS, who was a tractor driver before the war, and after the war was the head of the meadow reclamation detachment, and there were about a hundred tractor drivers and all the "help". And here the same "shket", as I did with the order, and under Stalin, the order, not like now, even the generals did not receive. In the tenth grade in 1949, at the age of 19 he became a candidate member of the CPSU, although he became a member of the CPSU in 1952 ??? (why after three years) recommendations were given by the director and teachers of the school (and what is this?). And they admitted to Moscow State University, but immediately without exams.
      This is "Operation Y", or anecdote, or whatever you like, but I don't believe in such circumstances, do you ???
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Malyuta
      So far, only orders have been hanged for him.

      deserved, definitely! The country’s trash brought to power, raised shit from the depths of society, proclaimed a killer psychology a priority for the country.
    5. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 1 May 2020 17: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: Svarog
      Here you have to start with Gorbachev.

      So far, only orders have been hanged for him.
      Yes, colleague, bastards are awarded orders and Soviet people are already bunked out under an article on extremism .................................. .................................................. ...................................
      On April 22, Marina Melikhova was detained at the exit from the house, when she was going to go to the action of laying flowers at the Lenin monument.
      "Born in the USSR" stand for the restoration of the Soviet Union in the modern legal framework.
      On April 28, a search was conducted in the house of the leader of the Born in the USSR movement in Krasnodar, Marina Melikhova. A criminal case was initiated against her under the article on public calls for extremist activity. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/crime/44096346/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 May 2020 21: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        bastards are awarded orders and Soviet people are already prescribed bunks under an article on extremism ....

        Well, that’s already beyond ... what is it for?
        I remember a few years ago I read with interest the transcripts of the interrogations of Hitler’s criminals, and after all, that’s characteristic, almost all without exception said that he was a soldier and carried out the order.
  • depressant
    depressant 1 May 2020 09: 58 New
    14
    Svarog, I support.
    Unpunished evil breeds even worse. Liberals periodically arrange a "public" trial of JV Stalin. It's time to hold a real public trial over Gorbachev and others, under whose patronage the "liberals" destroyed my country - the USSR, with all its shortcomings - the fairest in the world.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: depressant
      It's time to hold a real public trial of Gorbachev and others

      not by others, but by the successors of his business: from EBN to the present day
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 May 2020 10: 50 New
    +3
    He said, I say, and I will say that you need to start with YOURSELF!
    WE are for the important, for our rights and dignified life, for the happy life of our children, to TOGETHER TOGETHER and fight for it all, we can’t get together !!! And are you going to judge someone?
    Who will judge it will be, JUDGES AT US NOW WHO?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 17 New
      0
      That's right, from myself, from civil society. Officials, they grow out of the people, they are not from the moon, they are flesh from the flesh, blood from the blood. We won’t have anything in time, those over 50. Maybe our children will be able to do something, but the grandchildren are the fastest.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 May 2020 12: 05 New
        +1
        It happens in different ways.
        By definition, the upper ones are not those who own, but those who were TRUSTED TO RUN, "servants of the people" ts.
        But in fact we have .... they have us more than once!
        Sad but true!
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Officials, they grow out of the people, they are not from the moon, they are flesh from the flesh, blood from the blood.

        and how do they report their work to their flesh?
        The official in the system is no longer flesh! He is already a god who looks at the plebeians from above. And he will hold on to his chair with his teeth.
    2. depressant
      depressant 1 May 2020 13: 09 New
      +5
      We are the judges, we are!
      Now we are judging. I understood correctly that the dispute about the "elite" nobles, the one between the colleagues at the top, did not reveal the main thing: why did the nobles overthrow Nicholas II? Perhaps because he no longer counted on their desire to modernize, actively participate in the development of industry, invest in it sufficiently, but saw a different desire - to remain just parasitic nobles, as in the 18th-19th centuries, spending the bulk life on the Cote d'Azur - and this is instead of working for the good of the country and its people. And then he did not bother to persuade - stupidly let "foreign investors" into Russia, because it is easier, easier. And they began to compete with each other, but for the territory of Russia. What forced the nobility to dismiss the king in the hope of choosing someone from their own to preserve the order of the last century. Maybe so? And isn't something like that awaiting us now? Only in the role of nobles are now corrupt former party and Komsomol leaders, their descendants, henchmen and students, who formed a narrow class of the rich. Moreover, an extensive bureaucracy, also willing to work only for itself - as then. These people don't want to change anything! They do not take into account the presence in the country of the people to whom they owe their well-being; they behave like a virus that kills the carrier. Just like then. The question is, what should we do?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 May 2020 13: 25 New
        +8
        Judge ???
        From "our court" they are neither cold nor hot.
        What to do, but to move from words to deeds ... although, first you need to get together, unite, into something really meaningful ......
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 1 May 2020 19: 05 New
          0
          Do not bother them laughing believe me
          These nonsense themselves will bring the situation to an end.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 1 May 2020 19: 36 New
            0
            Are you living in another territory?
            And we, living here, do not need any end, we want to live here and continue to want, endlessly.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 1 May 2020 20: 04 New
              0
              No, I also live in Russia and I see this chaos with my own eyes. But it so happened with us, until it reaches the limit, nothing will change, unfortunately.
              Do you think the authorities will let us get together and unite ?!
              Alas.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 1 May 2020 20: 19 New
                0
                This is from the series Obvious / probable, not obligatory ... I don’t sit with the top advisers or sit down, they will dissuade their employers from extreme sports. Will smolder, not there, not here.
  • Digital error
    Digital error 1 May 2020 11: 08 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    ship drowned with passengers

    That's right - famine, devastation and a series of bloody feuds in the Russian Federation and the CIS countries cannot be called "an easy collapse of the USSR." Now here are historical analogies in the main military church trying to draw "Stalin-Putin". Meanwhile, Yeltsin put an end to the collapse of the USSR, seeking to satisfy his power ambitions. And who brought the current guarantor to power?
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 1 May 2020 20: 17 New
    +3
    There is only one reason for the collapse - excessive trust in the leadership of the USSR and the CPSU. The principle of democratic centralism has become the principle of tyranny. And we all swallowed it.
    So all the current troubles are a punishment from above for the fact that we have slandered the Great Power. Because we betrayed millions of the fallen.
  • Poor
    Poor 2 May 2020 15: 59 New
    -1
    But what about constitutional amendments? exemption from criminal prosecution? all for? laughing
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 May 2020 10: 36 New
    11
    Good morning everybody! smile
    This is not the first time we hear that the Soviet Union collapsed easily. I think it’s more correct to say that the USSR began to disintegrate easily. This process is not over. As long as there are factories that worked under the USSR. As long as there are still names of cities, regions, streets associated with the USSR, until social programs are finally destroyed, until the Russian Federation is significant over the territory ---- the collapse process is not completed . Work is underway on this.
    It depends on all of us, what will happen next
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 May 2020 10: 57 New
      +3
      Endless chatter!
      They did NOT RALLY for their country and did not stand up.
      For our now and our future, we will not get together and it is very likely that they will decide for us again!
      For our memory, for the disgusting attitude of the "liberated peoples", or rather some of them, we will not gather anything to their liberators either, we do not want to do ...
      In general, everything is empty .....
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: rocket757
        They did NOT RALLY for their country and did not stand up.

        so it will be next time! There is no doubt about it. Moreover, they will help because, in comparison with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the current state did not stand by. The current state government was created to legitimize the crooks, thieves, crooks and the whole garbage society.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 May 2020 13: 15 New
          +3
          It’s sad to realize that we slept YOUR country! And now servants are turning things in her ... but not of the people!
          And again a rhetorical question, when do we think to pour in?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 23 New
            +7
            Quote: rocket757
            And again a rhetorical question, when do we think to pour in?

            some are already waking up, some are just afraid to wake up, fearing the issue
            but forgetting that Ukraine happened precisely because the supreme power was rotten, trampled upon a simple person and had no potential for its modernization. This stupidity of the authorities took advantage of those who took advantage. Third, they are just happy with everything, they are stuck to the feeder and are happy with their position. Fourth, it’s just dangerous for them, because the loss of power for them is a threat to the loss of stolen goods and even security, especially now that there is nowhere to tick.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 1 May 2020 13: 27 New
              +5
              Many wanted the best! It turned out .... how it happened.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 1 May 2020 14: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: rocket757
            It’s sad to realize that we slept YOUR country! ...... And again, the rhetorical question, when do we think to sleep?

            We must realize that the decay process continues. Look at the former republics. Everywhere in different ways, different methods, but the process goes. We have the same way
            If completed, today's life will seem beautiful
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 1 May 2020 15: 24 New
              +4
              The process is going on, gradually.
              Even the realization of this did not lead to anything. We are all apart too.
              All our indignation goes ..... to the whistle.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 1 May 2020 16: 38 New
                +4
                Victor, in my opinion, there are still very few people who realize it.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 1 May 2020 17: 10 New
                  +1
                  It doesn’t happen that every global event is EVERYONE RECOGNIZED!
                  Here the general mood to catch and turn it in the right direction !!! This is where the talent of a true LEADER, LEADER, POLICY is manifested!
                  Now a whole bunch of all sorts of different ones are working on the upper ones, and among them there are by no means stupid frames that suggest the upper ones the necessary decisions !!!
                  Here, among their principled opponents, there is no one so charismatic, talented, to unite around him the general dissatisfaction with the upper ........
                  I don’t see this, and you?
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 1 May 2020 17: 26 New
                    +3
                    So far, I do not see ....
                    In 1917, at the beginning, there were 24000 Bolsheviks, in fact there was much less death, prisons, other parties ........ but then ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 1 May 2020 18: 30 New
                      +2
                      Now in a different way, the ruling class also learns from bitter experience. Just like that, according to the old templates, nothing will turn out ..... however, the principles remain the same, modernized according to the current realities.
                    2. Overlock
                      Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 19 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      In 1917, at the beginning, there were 24000 Bolsheviks

                      so they read Marx and Engels, listened to Lenin. And the current students studied poorly, they don’t know the classics. Go on a hunch.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Reptiloid
      . I think it’s more correct to say that the USSR began to disintegrate easily. This process is not over.

      I agree to all 100
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 May 2020 14: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Reptiloid
        . I think it’s more correct to say that the USSR began to disintegrate easily. This process is not over.

        I agree to all 100

        Looking at Ukraine, we can say that there, on that territory of the USSR, it is breaking up faster than ours.
        Residents of our country can see further destruction of the USSR, draw conclusions, predictions.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 1 May 2020 15: 38 New
          +6
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Looking at Ukraine, we can say that there, on that territory of the USSR, it is breaking up faster than ours.

          absolutely right! I have said more than once that all countries go almost parallel and the mistakes of leadership among all leaders are the same. All because they think like party apparatchiks from the time of the CPSU
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 1 May 2020 17: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Looking at Ukraine, we can say that there, on that territory of the USSR, it is breaking up faster than ours.
            ..... all countries go almost in parallel and leadership errors are the same for all leaders. All because they think like partakers
            [Center]
            [/ center] n CPSU
            This is a very interesting and true remark! Respect !, good good . Having become opponents and destroyers of the USSR, they preserved the methods and the system they hated, this was their defeat.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 May 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    Today's date for the events in Odessa is a continuation of the collapse of the USSR.
    ONCE AGAIN I read yesterday this article .....
    The author complacently reassures or what? We can’t change, but we just have to accept. That is, the destruction of the USSR continues, you just need to accept, there are examples, modern, tragic ........
    But today, unlike yesterday, I am glad that there is this article, it clarifies today's
  • Svarog
    Svarog 1 May 2020 09: 27 New
    +8
    Former party apparatchiks, who used to lead people to the bright heights of communism, quickly and easily became democrats, nationalists, patriots - anyone, just to stay “at the helm”.

    These cadres were traitors .. and their cell matured and grew .. and they are still at the "helm"
    Of course, the specific administrative structure was not the only reason for the collapse of the USSR.

    Nonsense, the administrative structure was not at all involved in the collapse of the USSR.
    Article is superficial ..
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 1 May 2020 09: 58 New
      15
      Nonsense, the administrative structure was not at all involved in the collapse of the USSR.
      I absolutely agree with you, but I’ll add. The administrative division in 1965 was approximately the same, and the elite, and the national republic. Who could ruin the USSR in 1965? Yes, his head would be rolled up with his bare hands. Because there was an ideology. Because everyone was ready for everything for their homeland. And everyone saw how they rose from the ruins, how the whole world looked at the country with respect and a slight trepidation. Moreover, it is already slightly inferior to us leadership in many fields of science, sports, art, and the economy. Correctly said about the degradation of the elites. This is the main thing! The fish rotted from the head. Fresh blood, that’s what was missing in the 70s ... Why didn’t anyone go for that USSR, a dilapidated one? Yes, because they forgot to feed the people, I remember how shameful it was for me to go with coupons for sugar, change coupons for smoke and vodka. And this is not in 41 years !!!! Therefore, they believed Gorbachev, because there was nothing left to lose (as usual in a revolutionary situation). And when three criminals of the USSR were canceled, the KGB was supposed to knit them, not workers from Siberia. You won’t get there and you will find .. But the power structures were for that. But everything is rotten to see .. I still think that they could save the country. Moreover, due to the dismantling at the very top, as Khrushchev did in his time. But there are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders .. (C)
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 1 May 2020 10: 28 New
        +2
        Siberian 66!
        I still think that they could save the country. Moreover, due to the dismantling at the very top, as Khrushchev did in his time. But there are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders .. (C)

        It was with him that the assassination of the Union began! No one else did it for this!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 May 2020 11: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        And when three criminals of the USSR were canceled, the KGB was supposed to knit them, not workers from Siberia. You won’t get there and you will find .. But the power structures were for that. But everything is rotten to see.

        They were supposed to take them, but they did not take them, because when they came to power, these criminals replaced the top of the power structures with their henchmen, who did what their "masters" demanded of them.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 43 New
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          these criminals replaced the top of the power structures with their henchmen, who did what their "masters" demanded of them.

          exactly the same is done these days!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 1 May 2020 10: 23 New
      +9
      Quote: Svarog
      Nonsense, the administrative structure was not at all involved in the collapse of the USSR.
      Article is superficial ..

      I also think that administrative division alone could not lead to the collapse of the USSR, despite Putin’s famous statement about mines under Russian statehood. Most of the fault lies with the degradation of the elites and their irremovability.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 May 2020 10: 35 New
        +6
        Quote: Stas157
        Most of the fault lies with the degradation of the elites and their irremovability.

        That is how Stalin cleaned the elite, thereby restraining corruption and nepotism, and the country was developing at an unprecedented pace. And with the advent of Khrushchev, corruption and nepotism began to arise, and then it only grew. But Gorbachev and the administrative division completely collapsed, nothing to do with it.
        1. unaha
          unaha 1 May 2020 11: 06 New
          +4
          Well, you yourself have outlined the entire instability of systems based on personality, and not mechanisms independent of a particular person.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 May 2020 11: 09 New
            -4
            Quote: unaha
            Well, you yourself have outlined the entire instability of systems based on personality, and not mechanisms independent of a particular person.

            Do you think that the stability of the system does not depend on the personality? And anyway, what is a system without an identity? Any system should be controlled.
            1. unaha
              unaha 1 May 2020 11: 19 New
              +8
              I believe that without cross-control of independent branches of government, the final outcome that led to the collapse of the USSR and to which the Russian Federation is steadily moving is inevitable.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 1 May 2020 11: 24 New
                0
                Quote: unaha
                I believe that without cross-control of independent branches of government, the final outcome that led to the collapse of the USSR and to which the Russian Federation is steadily moving is inevitable.

                I agree, but at the top of this control is a person. When there is no personality at the helm, then the system degrades. When there is a personality, the system is modernized and works.
                Perhaps the exception is the United States, where the system is built on two camps and a counterweight, while corruption was elevated to the law and called lobbying. But even in the US system, a lot depends on the individual.
                1. unaha
                  unaha 1 May 2020 11: 43 New
                  +5
                  "but at the top of that control is the personality."
                  I do not agree. A person can stand at the top of the decision-making pyramid, but within the degrees of freedom available for the position he occupies. But the prevention of going beyond them is provided by independent (from this position and person) control mechanisms. Otherwise, it turns out as we have now - it seems that there are mechanisms (a thought, a court), but there is no sense in them, since they are somehow influenced by the AP.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: unaha
            rather than mechanisms independent of a particular person.

            Under the Union, the question of the role of the individual in history was taught on the history of the CPSU. This question is relevant now.
            The mechanisms of independence of the system from the individual were not and are not now. But our enemies have
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 1 May 2020 10: 38 New
        +3
        Administrative division was one of the mines in the collapse of the Union. Empire, as a complex system, has a number of weak points. Union division was clearly a serious problem place for the emergence of separatist sentiments through the creation of the prototype of states. Well, local elites will always find a reason to set the population against the center.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 May 2020 11: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel57
          Well, local elites will always find a reason to set the population against the center.

          This is possible only when the central government is an impotent one. Under Stalin, the "local" elites walked like silk and could not even think to incite the people against the government. But then nepotism and corruption did their job.
          1. Pavel57
            Pavel57 1 May 2020 17: 26 New
            +2
            Svarog (Vladimir), but how to grow Stalin under Stalin? So Stalin brought up Khrushchev. In fact, not only Khrushchev took up arms against Stalin, he alone could not have done it.
        2. strannik1985
          strannik1985 1 May 2020 11: 23 New
          +5
          Administrative division was one of the mines of the collapse of the Union.

          When separatists always appear in the capital on the outskirts - Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Don Republic of Krasnov, the actions of the Central Council in / in Ukraine, etc. in the year 1917.
    3. Pravodel
      Pravodel 1 May 2020 10: 24 New
      +7
      In the 30 years after the collapse of the USSR, why not have to read about the reasons for its collapse: about shit, socialists, utopians, capitalists, marginals, etc., etc. Here is another example. But a lot of writing does not always lead to the appearance of truth, which, at times, turns out to be quite simple ...
      In this regard, the question is: could the territorial structure of the state be the reason for its collapse. Answer: of course not no, it could not, therefore, it is not far-sighted to ascribe to the national formations included in the USSR the action of the force that destroyed the USSR. The fact that the USSR collapsed along the national outskirts is a consequence of the processes that took place in the USSR itself, and only says that the power in the national outskirts at the time of the collapse of the USSR turned out to be stronger and more consolidated than in the USSR itself. The reasons for the disintegration of any object in nature and society: states, communities, various structures are determined by the action of external and internal forces that hold the parts together into a single whole: if the fastening forces are "stronger" than the forces of decay, then the object, state, community exists, lives as a single object, but as soon as these forces weaken, then the disintegration of the object, society, state begins, and this process occurs the faster, the more the fastening forces weaken. An example is the collapse of the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, closer examples, the collapse of empires after the 1st, 2nd world wars. In all these cases, the disintegration proceeded according to a similar scenario: the weakening of centralized power, centralized control. At the same time, the reasons for the weakening are the same: the action of external and internal forces, first of all, internal forces that undermine the foundations of the state structure and state administration.
      A closer example is modern Ukraine, where the weakening of centralized power as a result of a coup d'etat violated state administration and, thereby, created the conditions for the return of Crimea to Russia and the separation of Donbas regions into independent entities.
      What is happening now in the present? Further degradation of the government of Ukraine and the consolidation of regional elites, creating the conditions for the final collapse of Ukraine into separate areas. In this regard, the collapse of Ukraine is a foregone conclusion. When this happens, it is difficult to say, but what is necessary, inevitably happens, is obvious. The decay rate depends on the action of internal and external factors. Internal factors include the degradation of governance that is constantly gaining momentum, the expansion of the confrontation between various and not only political structures, and external factors - the supply of a decaying regime with resources from outside. The cessation of external replenishment means a momentary disintegration of Ukraine, the continuation of replenishment means a prolonged agony, but in this case the inevitable collapse can lead to a large war in Ukraine.
      The collapse of the USSR did not happen due to the action of regional elites, but because of the collapse of the USSR government, which began after the death of Stalin. Khrushchev N.S. accelerated this process with his report. at the 20th party congress. From that moment, the collapse of the USSR accelerated. The point in this process was set by Gorbachev with the entourage of traitors.
      Conclusion: that’s why Russia, which went through the collapse of the empire and the USSR, must take into account past lessons and constantly take care of the purification of the elites and state administration. This is a task of paramount importance. We want to save Russia, we need to constantly cleanse the traitors from government, we need to educate our own managers, for whom the preservation and prosperity of Russia is the first, most important task of their activities, their existence.

      "People-State-Fatherland"- this is the slogan of every patriot of Russia. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
      1. depressant
        depressant 1 May 2020 11: 15 New
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        True, with your lips and honey would drink. And you are right - lessons! Lessons must be learned. Our president, Putin, made mistakes equal to crimes, namely: he kept the worthless Medvedev prime minister for a long time, agreed to monetist Nabiullina, the independence of the Central Bank from the government, pursued a short-sighted policy of interaction with the Central Asian republics through the dominance of their citizens in the form of migrants in our country , showed himself Russophobe instead of tactful reliance on the largest nation of the country, stupidly bawled the USSR. Now preparing a suspicious land reform. I generally am silent about reliance on oil and the destruction of industry and scientific complexes inherited from the USSR. Many things. He has not shown himself to be the master, and now he is at a loss. And the people are at a loss. Is the president pushing the country into the abyss, voluntarily or involuntarily choosing a technique different from Gorbachev’s? And then new generations will tell us: why didn’t they stop?
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 02 New
      -9
      The administrative structure was just involved - the Union was torn precisely along the borders of national entities. And do not annul Stalin the Karelo-Finsau SSR, we would not have Karelia now, and Murmansk would be an exclave, like Kaliningrad
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 1 May 2020 11: 31 New
        +1
        Stalin created the Karelian-Finnish SSR in 1940. And just Khrushchev annulled it in 1956, transforming it back into the Karelian ASSR as part of the RSFSR. And he did it right. I think this was partially done to smooth over the negative among the inhabitants of the RSFSR from transferring Crimea to Ukraine.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 42 New
          +1
          Sorry, confused. For some reason, he connected the annulment of the KFSSR with the transfer of Vyborg to the Leningrad region in 1944.
  • Moore
    Moore 1 May 2020 09: 36 New
    11
    I will not repeat for those who say that the Soviet Union destroyed Gorbachev, or that it was done by three people who signed a piece of paper in the Belarusian forests.

    This is true. It’s just that this trinity and the lord with unhealthy swelling in the picture has been forever inscribed in history as grave diggers of the USSR, as a tangible symbol of betrayal. Who remembers those Pharisees and scribes who intrigued against the Savior? A specific Judas will be remembered forever.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 1 May 2020 09: 38 New
    13
    domineering scum sold the USSR and now live sweet and tasty ... and the West, periodically, squeezes the loot out of offshore - their tribute is such a periodic one.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 May 2020 09: 40 New
    +9
    Of course, Gorbachev played a role in the collapse of the USSR. But nevertheless, the last point was put in Bialowieza. And here, for some reason, Yeltsin received a letter of protection. If we forgot that today is May, then we are unworthy of the past, no matter how honored it is.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 1 May 2020 10: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: nikvic46
      all the same, they put the last point in Bialowieza. And here, for some reason, Yeltsin received a letter of protection.

      Yes. What does the color of the rotten elite gather in Bialowieza. These are the specific princes who took part in the destruction of the Union.

      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 May 2020 11: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: Stas157
        What does the color of the rotten elite gather in Bialowieza.

        All this elite is reminiscent of the Vlasov generals who are trying to portray themselves as "saviors of Russia."
  • Amateur
    Amateur 1 May 2020 09: 44 New
    +6
    Well, Mr. Kuzmitsky made friends! Post the fat face of a bear-tagged for a holiday! Instead of broadcasting the May Day demonstration. Again, spitting in the monitor is not hygienic and not aesthetically pleasing. So you have to break yourself. stop
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 May 2020 11: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: Amateur
      Again, spitting in the monitor is not hygienic and not aesthetically pleasing. So you have to break yourself.

      Now spitting is harmful even on your monitor. But you can spit in the toilet.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 1 May 2020 12: 29 New
        +1
        How would you transfer this photo to the toilet. So that every day right on this face "to do in big and small."
        How much is needed to get a little pleasure! drinks
  • SHURUM -BURUM
    SHURUM -BURUM 1 May 2020 09: 44 New
    +9
    ... why the USSR collapsed so easily ...
    Because for this, the gangway of a small group of interested persons, personifying, as they believed, all the aspirations of the people, was enough. Today, local governors and "hello" (C), federation can gather for a picnic in the same way. Fantastic, say? At that time, we also did not expect that on our behalf, as if for our good and at the request of the working people, they would destroy the Union.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 May 2020 11: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
      Because for this there was enough the gangway of a small group of interested persons, who, as they believed, personified all the aspirations of the people.

      And because, starting from March 15, 1985 until December 20, 1991, we were all prepared for collapse, replacing socialist values ​​with capitalist values.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 May 2020 14: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        replacing socialist values

        And besides this, so much slop was poured out of the mouthpieces of the media: from Ogonyok Korotich, to central newspapers, where the speeches of figures branding the "sovok", the Gulag, the bloody gebnya, Stalin, the Great Patriotic War were printed on the entire spread ... for everything and everyone.
        Here are the brains of the people and turned to a bright capitalist future.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 May 2020 15: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And besides this, so much slop was poured out of the mouthpieces of the media: from Ogonyok Korotich, to central newspapers, where the speeches of figures branding the "scoop", the Gulag, the bloody gebnya, Stalin, the Great Patriotic War were printed on the entire spread ...

          And we, accustomed to the fact that the press writes the truth, believed these "korotichs", understood but too late.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 1 May 2020 15: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            understood but late.

            We understood a lot too late!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 1 May 2020 16: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              We understood a lot too late!

              As always, we perceive everything retroactively. It's a pity.
    2. AUL
      AUL 1 May 2020 20: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
      Because for this there was enough gangway of a small group of interested persons personifying, as they believed, all the aspirations of the people.
      Believe me, they did not try to recall the aspirations of the people. Power shared!
  • sagitch
    sagitch 1 May 2020 09: 45 New
    +5
    After all, NGOs do not have to revive the USSR. Everything good must be taken from there, as an example of a responsible and competent approach to economic and social policy, building a new Russia.
    1. Leo_59
      Leo_59 1 May 2020 11: 38 New
      +2
      It’s necessary to take all the good from there
      If it's not difficult for you, please carefully list "all the good things" from the USSR that you can now! use.
      I want to compare with my vague understanding.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 12: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: sagitch
      After all, NGOs do not have to revive the USSR.

      this cannot be done for several reasons:
      1. thieves and crooks will not want to share their power anywhere
      2.the generation that remembered the USSR is dying, and the name "USSR" does not mean anything to young people
      3. there should be an initiating country, which in terms of living standards, social relations in society, and attitude to a person should become an EXAMPLE worthy of imitation. This is not there.
      In a single country, no government wants
      Quote: sagitch
      take all the good from there

      since the task of the authorities is to rob, fill their pockets. An example of this in our lives abound.
      1. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 1 May 2020 18: 58 New
        +3
        ... but the name "USSR" does not mean anything to young people ...
        Young people now do not even believe that apartments were given for free. Believe that this is a lie. Those. they are already accustomed to the fact that the country owes them nothing.
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    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 1 May 2020 10: 31 New
      11
      Quote: Misterfin
      And by the way, it split up, not collapsed.
      ?! Oh oh ?! belay
      Quote: Misterfin
      God forbid living now with the Ukrainians, for example. Borders are very good and correct. We are alien peoples.
      Something I did not notice economic growth in any particular Belarus or in Ukraine ?! No.
      Quote: Misterfin
      Borders are very good and correct.
      recourse No. And just 35 years ago, easily, without a passport and customs, I flew with my parents from Dnepropetrovsk to Ufa (easily and naturally) !!! It cost only 34 rubles for adults and 12 rubles for a teenager ...
      Quote: Misterfin
      We are alien peoples.
      ... and even the Bashkirs living near the grandfather’s house didn’t seem like strangers to us ... !!!
      "Aliens" - people become not on the basis of nationality. But only when they begin to consider themselves exceptional / special .
  • knn54
    knn54 1 May 2020 09: 51 New
    +5
    Ancient oriental truth, there is no such a bai that would not dream of becoming a shah / khan / emir.
    In "Aelita" - "n / a insert" of the magazine "Ural Pathfinder" there was an interview with brothers Strugatsky, who spoke with alarm about the growing indifference / apathy of people. Two years before the collapse of the USSR.
    The first prime minister of Czechoslovakia, as early as 1923, declared that V. Lenin laid a bomb under the foundation of the USSR.
    You can talk a lot about this topic, but at one time the gendarmes and the KGB (which was not subordinate to the Council of Ministers, but the Central Committee of the CPSU) did nothing to save RI and the USSR, respectively.
    And in the army, counterintelligence (subordinate to the KGB), as they later said, even boasted, the "polkans" blocked patriots who could do a lot.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    Nostalgia, namely nostalgia. A huge power where Kushka and Batumi were our cities. And not abroad, as it is now. How much energy and blood did our ancestors give to create it? And how stupidly the communist elite ruined it. In words - internationalism, in fact - dense small-town nationalism.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 1 May 2020 10: 11 New
      10
      It was not the communists who destroyed it, but the traitors in their ranks. And then tomorrow you will write that if the communist Vlasov collaborated with Hitler, then they say to what the "communist elite" has sunk into the war?
      No need for absurdity. The USSR was destroyed by the same people whose heirs today are sitting in the Kremlin.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 10: 38 New
        -8
        The one who was in power collapsed. And the Communists were in power. The party that committed betrayal in its ranks is worthless. I understand single betrayals - the family has its black sheep, but when the betrayal is massive ... Let’s write it down: the party of traitors.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 1 May 2020 10: 47 New
          15
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          The one who was in power collapsed. And the Communists were in power.

          And, the "communists" were in power. That is more correct. Or, do you still consider Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin to be communists?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 10: 56 New
            -7
            Well, who are they? The Communists, and high-ranking, except for Putin, he was a petty bastard.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 1 May 2020 11: 10 New
              +9
              You, of course, read their modern statements on communism. Putin is now not a petty fry. By the way, compare the 1991 CPSU spill and United Russia. The same methods of demagogy. Different goals proclaimed
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 29 New
                -5
                "We say Lenin - we mean the party"
                We say party - we mean Lenin "
                V. Mayakovsky.
                So it was: they said one thing, meant another.
                And communism is a utopia, a spherical horse in a vacuum, a horizon line.
                Mankind has not grown to it and is unlikely to grow in the next millennium.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 1 May 2020 12: 26 New
                  15
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  And communism is a utopia, a spherical horse in a vacuum, a horizon line.

                  It’s not worth giving Potapenko’s words for his own, which, incidentally, he refuted a couple of times.
                2. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 1 May 2020 13: 10 New
                  +7
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  And communism is a utopia, a spherical horse in a vacuum, a horizon line.
                  Mankind has not grown to it and is unlikely to grow in the next millennium.

                  Humanity has not grown to communism, right. Socialism? Many people remember the achievements of the USSR. Modernity? Tomorrow is the month of "self-isolation" with us. How are socialist China and Vietnam coping with coronavirus? How are we? As in the most advanced country of capitalism, the United States?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 14: 37 New
                    -5
                    And in what place is socialist China? With their private ownership of the means of production, large, where did you see socialism there? Since 1979, they have been building the market economy smoothly, without any excesses. Private property is declared inviolable there and the share of state-owned companies in the economy is constantly decreasing. This is their success.
                3. Nemchinov Vl
                  Nemchinov Vl 1 May 2020 14: 39 New
                  -1
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  And communism is a utopia, a spherical horse in a vacuum, a horizon line.
                  partly you are right, my dear interlocutor, but ...
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Mankind has not grown to it and is unlikely to grow in the next millennium.
                  and it doesn’t matter ... But it’s important (!)that if you watched the film "Peaceful Warrior", then you could take away from it point, - not the goal in itself is important, but then in what way does the person go towards the goal (not for the sake of achieving it yourself !! What's important !!) ... Inspirational (in a sense, even obsessed) idea - become legends (ours - Kharlamov (!) them - den milman (!) etc.) .... Otherwise, after reaching the goal, there will only be disappointment !! If you do not understand that value is in the way, in devotion to the destination !!
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 17: 12 New
                    0
                    The samurai has no purpose - does the samurai have a way? No, not the process is important - the result is important.
                  2. AUL
                    AUL 1 May 2020 20: 53 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                    most importantly, it is not the goal in itself that matters, but the way the person goes to the goal

                    Chic demagoguery! It doesn’t matter that we go straight into the abyss, but appreciate what a beautiful path!
                    1. Nemchinov Vl
                      Nemchinov Vl 2 May 2020 10: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: AUL
                      Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                      most importantly, it is not the goal in itself that matters, but the way the person goes to the goal

                      Chic demagoguery! It doesn’t matter that we go straight into the abyss, but appreciate what a beautiful path!

                      Bravo !! fellow I applaud you standing up !! lol

                      But I’m sure that you perfectly understand that absolutely any thought can be distorted. (!) if desired (what do you just and did (!)... I confess myself / like many in their teens / in conversations with parents or friends, out of sarcasm, he liked to play around with contradictions .... it’s not difficult) ... But absolutely the majority of people (in the post-Soviet space / let's say so thinking in Russian / from early childhood, brought up on the so-called - Russian folk talesgenetically (or sacredly, if you wish), but is well aware of the good (the truth) and evil (false) .... The only thing that we often forget everywhere, in a routine life / growing up /, is instructive beginning, each of the tales, - "a tale -lie, yes, there’s a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows (!)"... (lying on the surface, easy to perceive, which is not in itself not true, nor even false (!) for walking along the path the hero of a fairy tale, let's say Ivan the Fool (by the way, the word "" - walking or thinking, in two or more directions !!) ...Walking the way, - allegory living on earth !! You live without violating the laws of nature and the traditions of the Sort (let's say in accordance with the Vedic traditions), - you have not gone astray, in the direction of falsehood !!
                      When a person takes a step towards falsehood, he himself begins to involuntarily suffer ("conscience gnaws", or "doubts torment" well, etc.) .. A little higher, you are easy enough, "played with wit", and as if in jest, changed / turned over the conditionally "pointer on the road" sarcasm ... The next traveler, having read this / inverted pointer /, and admiring your wit, can easily go astray. This is not a lie ... This is only "Lying" (slightly distorted truth, but lying on the surface and easy for external perception, to any person), but can he easily go aside ?! Just forgetting about - "good fellows lesson" (concentration) Is not it ?! so
                      Quote: AUL
                      It does not matter,
                      no it matters (!)
                      Quote: AUL
                      ... that we are going straight into the abyss,
                      without violating the patrimonial Old Slavic traditions and laws of nature (!)never fall into the abyss (!) On the contrary, it is easy to get into the abyss following the lead of "lies" (in a state of distortion and substitution of values / by inverted pointer /) ... (!) But without distortion (substitution of conceptsincluding such not cunning sarcasm)
                      Quote: AUL
                      ... appreciate the beautiful way!
                      Your way /Your life/will become beautiful in itself (!), if not for the sake of gold, but for good (to do what you love) ....
                      1. AUL
                        AUL 2 May 2020 12: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                        But I’m sure that you perfectly understand that you can distort absolutely any thought (!) If you wish (which you just did (!) ...

                        You know, Vladimir, in my post I just repeated your thesis, only in other words. What have I distorted?
                        You see, by virtue of my education (physico-mathematical) and profession (programmer), I am used to accurate formulations and definitions, as well as to conclusions based on logical constructions from the initial postulates. Therefore, I am very skeptical of near-semantic prettiness and pseudo-philosophical parables based on dubious theses and for the ears of drawn analogies.
                        Just do not suspect me of digitization and black and white logic. And I'm not a stranger to the beautiful! laughing But in the dispute of the 60s "physics or lyricism" I am on the side of physicists, because they, not lyric poetry, are driving progress. I like fiction, I really love the works of Chekhov, the Strugatsky brothers, Andrei Voznesensky, Ilf and Petrov, but I treat them exactly as fiction, but in real life the reference book on higher mathematics of Vygodsky is more authoritative for me. So your links to folklore did not convince me of anything - beautiful, but nothing more.
                        I think you should not continue this philosophical debate here. Not many will be interested.
                      2. Nemchinov Vl
                        Nemchinov Vl 2 May 2020 13: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: AUL
                        I'm in my post only repeated your thesis
                        did not repeat, but distorted - "
                        Quote: AUL
                        It doesn’t matter that we go straight into the abyss, but appreciate what a beautiful path!
                        "!
                        Quote: AUL
                        only in other words.
                        (I would say - completely different) - that is, changed it (made a different meaning) !, and therefore it is precisely distorted!
                        Quote: AUL
                        And I'm not a stranger to the beautiful!
                        and I have no doubt at all. Chasing after "sharp sarcasm" (after all, it’s really interesting to hone a thought !! It's like a game of gambling thought ...), you could very well "alter / distort a thought"without too much malice ... hi
                        I do not blame you at all smile it could have been out of caution ...
                        but - "in the beginning was the word" ... It's like a formed mental image (!) It (the word) forms the imagery of thought ... Thoughts are subsequently embodied, and form the surrounding reality, through actions, actions ... etc.

                        Quote: AUL
                        I think you should not continue this philosophical debate here. Not many will be interested.
                        No objections hi as you please.
        2. tatra
          tatra 1 May 2020 11: 37 New
          +5
          The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR have a mental inclination to betray their country and people, those who believed them, each other. Therefore, they have collaborators of the Civil and the Great Patriotic War in their "heroes", therefore, in their anti-Soviet Perestroika, it immediately became clear how many of them pretended to be communists and their supporters, and immediately betrayed the communists, who believed them, therefore they are 30 years after the seizure and their dismemberment of the USSR throws each other on the communists and their supporters, starting with their "Liberator", Gorbachev, who launched a total slander against the communists.
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      3. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 1 May 2020 10: 52 New
        +6
        Why traitors are necessary?
        Adherents, as now the members of Edra, Zaputintsy, officials and journalistic propaganda. If this happens today, you will also see crowds of rats running from the Galera.
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 04 New
        10
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        And the Communists were in power.

        good to stigmatize everyone! My father-in-law became a communist in the 44th, fought, served, 3 THANKS from STALIN, order, medal. He did not steal in civilian life, although he held a post in the trade department of the resort city. Hope you appreciate the features of this post then? therefore
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        party of traitors.

        take it to yourself when they rushed to the North for a long ruble. Personal profit - this is how it is translated into accessible language, clothed in the desire to "live well", "live like everyone else." This desire was used by those who brought down the USSR!
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 14: 48 New
          -8
          I did not belong to the parties. And if you think that work in the Far North is no different from work in the middle lane - the Welkam. Feel how this long ruble was getting. I definitely do not understand why a person should not live well. You, apparently, are more satisfied with the equality in poverty, this is your right. I prefer inequality in wealth.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 1 May 2020 15: 36 New
            +6
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            I did not belong to parties

            and I’ve been offered several times, the last time is a coup
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Feel how this long ruble was getting.

            all the same "long ruble"
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            it's your right.

            my right will envy me not to throw mud at worthy people. Father-in-law in the Arctic, in Safonovo-3, served 15 years without any "long ruble" and it is not for you to stain his memory
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 17: 06 New
              +2
              So we went to the North to earn this very "long" in the long polar night and northern experience. Then to return to the mainland and buy a house, a cooperative, a car. True, the North did not let everyone go, as there Kola Beldy sang: "If you fall in love with the North, you will never stop loving. I myself am nostalgic. He was young, handsome, in a cap with a crab and fur boots. And he met his spouse there, took her to a patient on orders.
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 1 May 2020 18: 08 New
            11
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            I did not belong to the parties.

            Quote: Silvestr
            My father-in-law became a communist in the 44th ....

            My father fought in the first part of the 45th division in Stalingrad. Where the Barricades are. "After the first assault, out of 10.5 thousand fighters, 300 people remained. Then the composition changed" from loss "several times. There he became a communist. In 1942
            Ivanov. Calling Putin, Yeltsin, Shevardnadze and others like the Communists you insult my father, father Silverst and many. Or unable to understand what you are writing?
            1. Sardanapalus
              Sardanapalus 5 May 2020 10: 38 New
              -1
              And what's wrong with that. We have a "academician" hero of Russia. Well, the same academician as a hero, but what is credited cannot be subtracted, like the fact that the above listed communist company.
  • 1536
    1536 1 May 2020 10: 01 New
    14
    Despite everything, as of the beginning of 1985, the USSR was a single and indivisible state. And national relations in it were not a powder keg, because like in the States everyone lived nearby, together, without harlems and Texas rangers.
    But if you remove products from trade, make a "shortage" of them, if you make it impossible to buy a car for an ordinary person, if you close tobacco factories, cut down vineyards, issue vodka with coupons, sell furniture, household appliances, etc. by appointment, if in the media to deploy a campaign discrediting everything and everyone, from the history of the people, and ending with its individual heroes, then in a year or two not only something will "disintegrate", but there will be no trace of the once powerful state. And nationality had nothing to do with it.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 1 May 2020 10: 28 New
      +7
      Exactly. Based on this, we can conclude. Or Gorbi, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and co. fabulously unsuccessful, inept, stupid leaders, or they purposefully worked for the collapse of the country.
      I am sure of the second.
      As for nationalism, remark.
      In 88-89, a large amount of nationalist literature appeared in large numbers in Ukraine. Everything was literally littered with this, from bookstores to Soyuzpechat stalls, if anyone remembers them. Then of course I did not attach any importance to this. But now I understand the go-ahead for this certainly was given at the very top. Neither at the regional level, nor even at the republican level, they would never have dared to do so. And there is nothing to say about amateur performances of bookstore employees or aunts at the kiosks of Soyuzpechat. Without approval from above, they did not dare to sneeze.
      Again, printing all this costs money, it needs to be done somewhere. Why didn't the authorities cover this shop, although they could easily? Who gave the go-ahead and forbidden to interfere with the nationalists?
      I am sure this was done at the very top with the very obvious goal of ruining the country.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 1 May 2020 12: 11 New
        +3
        Gorby, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze ... and who set them, Andropov.
        Andropov is a separate topic of the transformation of the elite for personal enrichment with any result for the country.
    2. Vladkr
      Vladkr 1 May 2020 11: 18 New
      -2
      Look. The main reason that socialism could not provide for the production of the entire list of consumer goods is only possible for private business. Plus, the artificially created deficit is still ready, the people are not satisfied with socialism, give capitalism. All revolutions begin when there is nothing to eat ... That is, the collapse of the Union is only a consequence of a change in the political system. And to appoint the guilty infantile position, it is first of all to take a look at yourself, they themselves wanted prosperity ... Which of us took to the streets to defend the socialist side, which of us wanted empty shelves in stores to remain? P. s. I do not support capitalism in its purest form, only a reasonable balance with socialism, more precisely, when private small and medium-sized businesses are allowed, large, with rare exceptions, only state-owned, because the impact of big business on world politics is the main danger to humanity.
      1. Vladkr
        Vladkr 1 May 2020 11: 21 New
        0
        To the comment of the 1536th ..
    3. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 1 May 2020 14: 46 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      Despite everything, as of the beginning of 1985, the USSR was a single and indivisible state.
      ?! Not sure ... although he was still a schoolboy.
      Quote: 1536
      But if you remove products from trade, make a "deficit" out of them, ...
      было yes
      Quote: 1536
      ... to sell furniture, household appliances, etc. by appointment, if you start a company in the media defaming everything and everything, starting with the history of the people and ending with its individual heroes ... and there will be no trace of the once powerful state.
      Only here is the question. Why in the west (well, let's say in the USA), during the peak years "Spy Wars" (1984-1986), could find so much here "whimsical" (potential traitors), but our SVR, GRU, KGB, could not answer the same (or even strike first) in the same direction, to the probable enemy ?! There the better worked the special services and counterintelligence ?!
  • Plantagenet
    Plantagenet 1 May 2020 10: 02 New
    +5
    "Not a single person, not even three, could do this with such a powerful superpower. After all, no one then stood up to defend the USSR: neither the party, nor the army, nor the special services."


    "Not a single person from the retinue, from the Court, from the government, from the Senate, from the pillar princes and the earls who were granted, and none of their golden sons, appeared to offer personal resistance, did not risk their lives. The entire royal administration and the entire upper stratum of the aristocracy in the days of February, they gave up like rabbits - and this was what inflated the false picture of the united revolutionary enthusiasm of Russia. "
    A. I. Solzhenitsyn "Reflections on the February Revolution"
  • Altona
    Altona 1 May 2020 10: 03 New
    +8
    I will not talk about how and why the USSR collapsed. The USSR was a unique country, simultaneously super-advanced and archaic, super-efficient and ineffective at the same time. That is somehow also all woven from contradictions. Therefore, the legacy of the USSR is so attractive, although over the years it has already been quite well studied by the same China and it treats it quite creatively. Agriculture was archaic, because the party officials absolutely did not know how to increase yields, except how to drive the "loafers" to the harvest. The industry has become archaic, because the development of all kinds of digitalization has been overshadowed, because technologies should become massive and become cheaper. Party officials wanted to reign and receive honors, and since 1980 this has become very noticeable. But at the same time there were sectors in industry and science with good technological and scientific groundwork. Due to planning, efficiency was more or less extended. But since the same 1980s, the rulers got carried away with large-scale projects and long-term construction began to devour funds. The army also devoured a lot of funds, since in addition to technology, it diverted a fairly large human resource. In addition, the USSR was "unfashionable" socialism, as it seemed to the then society, which did not value public consumption funds, but wanted "for a pocket" and "for a home for a family." In general, the topic is extensive and you can write a lot about such a unique phenomenon as the USSR.
  • apro
    apro 1 May 2020 10: 04 New
    +9
    The destruction of the USSR at first glance went without serious sacrifices. But this is a hoax. Over time, victims of untimely dead, unborn, emigrated, whole production cycles are destroyed, economic ties are broken ... and this imposes a new goal-setting of society. Consumer individualistic ...
    The population of the territory is aware of the futility of this entity as a new Russia.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 1 May 2020 12: 14 New
      +5
      The destruction of the USSR took place without serious casualties. And what can be called serious, how many have lost a home or life?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 May 2020 10: 05 New
    10
    So the author is a plus, but I would like to clarify.
    Just as Putin did not annex Crimea, so Gorbachev did not destroy the Union alone. The entire ideological apparatus, all media daily suggested that socialism is not the one that needs to be slightly corrected. And the people accustomed to believing in the party and the government did not notice the substitution when white turned black.
    Why didn’t anyone come out to support the Emergency Committee? Yes, how can you shoot at your Soviet people. But Russian troops easily shot the Supreme Council building.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 10: 53 New
      0
      Socialism, indeed, was not the one; it was archinuitive to correct it. And since the end of the 60s. Alas, Kosygin’s reforms were not allowed to go, and it was precisely after the Kosygin model that Deng Xiaoping began to reform China. Then there was a chance, relying on a team of professionals, to turn the country on the right course. The eighth, Kosygin Five-Year Plan was the most effective in terms of the pace of development, and then regression already went on.
      Andrei Kosygin complained:
      "Nothing left. Everything collapsed. All work was stopped, and the reforms fell into the hands of people who do not want them at all ... The reform is torpedoed. The people with whom I developed the materials of the congress have already been removed, and others have been called upon. And I'm not expecting anything. ”
      This is the starting point of the collapse of the country.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      But Russian troops easily shot the Supreme Council building.

      Now this is not necessary. Now another question is relevant for the authorities: who will shoot at people during unrest? And they are inevitable at the current moment.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 1 May 2020 10: 15 New
    0
    nothing is eternal under the Moon...
  • martin-159
    martin-159 1 May 2020 10: 20 New
    +8
    Congratulations to all workers on the International Day of Solidarity.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 1 May 2020 10: 22 New
    +5
    Union collapsed with the death of Stalin. First, they were stealthily preparing a murder. And so that the people did not defend the USSR, they did everything so that the socialist system became incapable of the country's development and unattractive to the people. At first they slandered Stalin, destroyed almost his entire economy and parasitized on its ruins. And in the second half of the 80s they began to process us openly, which they did with success for themselves.
    And although the author says that this is the past, but no, it has not gone anywhere. It is in our yard and in our heads. Today. Just as the assassination of the Union is the work of its leaders, so the killing of the remainder of it - Russia, is also the work of the leaders of the RF.
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 1 May 2020 10: 24 New
    +2
    Stalin created the USSR. All of us his children stood 40 years after him. Republican elites were not interested in the USSR to obey Moscow
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 1 May 2020 10: 26 New
    +4
    The USSR collapsed due to total lies.
    One thing was trumpeted on television and in newspapers, but in life people saw the exact opposite.
    Factories exceeded the plan, combines threshed grain, and shelves in stores were empty.
    Friendship of peoples, and in the army fraternity and hazing.
    In Afghanistan, we build roads and houses, and zinc coffins come.
    In the 86th, we walk on the first day, and Chernobyl has been sprinkling radioactive dust on our heads for almost a week.
    Everywhere blat and nepotism.
    The real USSR was at the turn of the 60s. With the advent of Khrushchev, it ended and slowly and confidently rolled towards its inevitable end.
    Very sorry. After all, that time is remembered as a carefree childhood and youth and confidence in the future ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 1 May 2020 10: 30 New
      +6
      Yes ... you read the comments and see that it turns out that the USSR was destroyed, only a few people, and the rest stood aside, like, woke up and Ba! -A USSR, then no! They shook their heads: well, it’s not like that, there’s nothing to be done and went to work for the “capitalist-patriots”. Yeah, that's how it was. yes
      1. Altona
        Altona 1 May 2020 10: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Snail N9
        Yes ... you read the comments and you see that it turns out that the Soviet Union collapsed, only a few people, and the rest stood aloof like that, and Ba! -A USSR woke up, then no!

        ----------------------------
        In the Soviet Union, there were almost no mechanisms for fine-tuning society, they tried to take it with campaigning and gross manipulation, even inciting class hatred, when the "proletariat" was considered a "privileged" class, the peasantry was a little thinner, and the "intelligentsia" was some kind of stratum, and certainly engineers, although an engineer is the same proletarian, since he sells his labor and does not own the means of production. And what was considered the "proletariat" for the most part was lumpen in its pure form and with an appropriate philistine ideology - why study, you can steal at a factory if you really need it, the main thing is to drink regularly.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 1 May 2020 10: 49 New
          +5
          In the Soviet Union, there were almost no mechanisms for fine-tuning society,

          Uh-huh. But, he is now - "the club of the National Guard" ... yes
          1. Altona
            Altona 1 May 2020 10: 58 New
            +5
            Quote: Snail N9
            Uh-huh. But, he is now - "the club of the National Guard" ...

            ------------------------------------
            So we are still dealing with the same post-Soviet elite, and they use the same late-Soviet methods that I wrote about above. That is, then they "acted not tough enough" as they think. By more subtle methods, I mean "meeting the constantly growing needs of the working people", it was very late, China solves all these bourgeois problems with half a kick. If you want jeans, here's a super-modern factory and tomorrow jeans are ordinary pants, not a "legendary piece of elite" goods, well, something like that. Once a year, officials should be sent to the collective farm as workers for 2 weeks, so that they don't get off the ground. Well, they brought up the wrong people, mostly on "conscious" ones and went. In general, the material and non-material incentives were poorly combined, and the non-material incentive was devalued altogether.
            PS Now TV and the Internet provide a very powerful mechanism for manipulating society.
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          4. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 04 New
            -1
            Khrushchev suppressed the Novocherkassk revolt with automatic weapons, where there were batons of the Russian Guard before him.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 27 New
              +4
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              where there with batons of the Russian Guard before him.


              it is obvious that these aliens in the center of Moscow from the tanks scorching
        2. strannik1985
          strannik1985 1 May 2020 10: 51 New
          +4
          In the Soviet Union, there were almost no mechanisms for fine-tuning society.

          5 years after the coup in the Russian Federation, the unemployed, among other problems, were ~ 5 million people. Without any fine-tuning or anything else.
          The Union had one, but a systemic problem, state property, i.e. draw. While there were enough ideological leaders at the top, everything was more or less, as the "owners" accumulated, so everything fell apart.
          1. Altona
            Altona 1 May 2020 11: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: strannik1985
            5 years after the coup in the Russian Federation, the unemployed, among other problems, were ~ 5 million people. Without any fine-tuning or anything else.

            -----------------------------------
            So capitalism gives these "fine" adjustments through unemployment, the market and propaganda, but I do not mean some kind of pretense or flirting with society. These are the "fine" settings, when a person is immediately dipped where he thinks best.
            About "property". In philistine society, there is no understanding that public property saves the whole society, therefore we have what we have. Everyone is trying to escape under the covers.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 1 May 2020 12: 35 New
              +1
              So capitalism gives these "fine" adjustments through unemployment, the market and propaganda

              And the Union also, conditionally, has a basic set of services that is given to everyone (it is clear that depending on the initial conditions it is different everywhere), and then you build your career yourself. The differences are not so big, except that under Khrushchev part of the cooperative sector was covered up.
              The bottom line is that there are (were) power structures against the violent change of power, in the late USSR they did not fulfill their role and the abstract "people" are masquerading here, they exist, but they do not solve anything.
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 10: 58 New
        +3
        Exactly what, stood aside. It was the inaction of the amorphous population that allowed the absolute minority to do what it did.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 1 May 2020 11: 11 New
          +3
          Exactly what, stood aside.

          Why did they "stand"? No, population actively wanted: 1) "two Volga", 2) "foreign salary", 3) "living space, like abroad", 4) "the promised share of the natural rent", 5) travel abroad, 6) "sneakers and chewing gum", 7) "McDonald's", 8) "everything is like" abroad ", 9) to live like" Lenya Golubkov "-" you are lying, and money is coming ".. Almost all of the above, except, perhaps, point" 6) ", it (the population) and now wants. yes
          1. Gurion
            Gurion 1 May 2020 11: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Snail N9
            Why did they "stand"? No, the population actively wanted: 1) "two Volga", 2) "foreign salary", 3) "living space, like abroad", 4) "the promised share of natural rent", 5) travel abroad, 6) " sneakers and chewing gum ", 7)" McDonald's ", 8)" everything is like "abroad." Almost all of the above, except for point "6)", it (the population) still wants. yes

            The population, as you put it, simply wanted a better life and we got it, we were driven into poverty and crises
            Now everything connected with the Soviet Union is being actively eradicated .. But the people remember and know who did this to him and they are trying to drown it out with screams in "our media" ..
            But we are alive to all evil, born in the USSR and are waiting in the wings .. soldier
            1. Altona
              Altona 1 May 2020 11: 52 New
              +6
              Quote: Gurion
              The population, as you put it, simply wanted a better life and we got it, we were driven into poverty and crises

              --------------------------
              We are talking about the philistine ideology, the Snitch simply put it more cynically. I wrote earlier that the USSR created "poor" socialism. China decided to follow the path of prosperous capitalism, making concessions to the bourgeois consciousness. Want to? Get it tomorrow morning, not 10 years from now. In free sale at least.
              1. Gurion
                Gurion 1 May 2020 12: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Altona
                We are talking about philistine ideology, Snail just put it more cynically.

                We are talking about the dominance of "comrades with an indefinite surname" in "our media" it all began with this .. I remembered these disgusting articles and voices for the rest of my life ..
                After the Victory, many "heroes" began to return to Moscow and other large cities from the Tashkent front and take the places of those who died at the fronts ..
                As one front-line writer wrote ... I came to the editorial office and there are none of our faces and bitch secretaries.
                I found one acquaintance, and in a whisper, now everywhere like that .. It’s better not to run up .. negative
                so let’s not blame our people for philistinism, they have exposed us like that and are now exposing them in the open ..
                1. Altona
                  Altona 1 May 2020 12: 21 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Gurion
                  We are talking about the dominance of "comrades with an indefinite surname" in "our media" it all began with this .. I remembered these disgusting articles and voices for the rest of my life ..

                  -----------------------
                  You should not fall into anti-Semitism either, although the absence of Chuvash, Mordovians, Komi and Russians in the editorial offices also scares me.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 12: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Gurion
              Now everything connected with the Soviet Union is being actively etched.

              I'm just from Krasnoye-Beloye. Do not give alcohol since 12, both on holidays and weekends. From 14-00 they will sell, as on ordinary days.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 12: 01 New
            -1
            And what did you find bad in this, except for point 9? Things are trifles, but our life consists of these trifles. A person wants to be fashionably dressed, travel the world, have a good house and a solid car. This is the well-being of the people. All that the Soviet Union could not (or did not want) to provide to its citizens.
            1. Altona
              Altona 1 May 2020 12: 18 New
              +7
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              And what did you find bad in this, except for point 9? Things are trifles, but our life consists of these trifles. A person wants to be fashionably dressed, travel the world, have a good house and a solid car. This is the well-being of the people. All that the Soviet Union could not (or did not want) to provide to its citizens.

              -----------------------
              The level of poverty and the social standard change over time, in addition, it is a completely economic quantity, which then, and now for some reason, has been denied and denied. If you provide the majority of the population with a sufficient level of prosperity, as in the Netherlands or Switzerland, then the person will stop thinking about it and will be busy with something more meaningful.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 12: 58 New
                -7
                Quote: Altona
                If you provide the majority of the population with a sufficient level of prosperity, as in the Netherlands or Switzerland, then the person will stop thinking about it and will be busy with something more meaningful

                Read Strugatsky's "Predatory Things of the Century" at your leisure. Just carefully.

                It describes just the case when "everyone was given everything." And what did it lead to. One of the ideas is that what is given for free (your "provide to the majority of the population"), without the cost of labor - usually does not bring benefits request
                1. Altona
                  Altona 1 May 2020 13: 21 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Read Strugatsky's "Predatory Things of the Century" at your leisure. Just carefully.

                  It describes just the case when "everyone was given everything." And what did it lead to.

                  -----------------------
                  Roman, I understand that "free things" are not appreciated. But here we are not entirely talking about giving "free", again it is necessary to explain that it is not free at all, but simply an advance payment from society. Again, ideology, but you and I are not humanitarians of the social sciences, and for this we need to develop scientific theses in order to get away from "everyday" argumentation. Thanks for the literary advice, I will use it, I reread the Strugatskikh periodically, although they are considered "ideologically alien" (I immediately make a reservation).
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 13: 35 New
                    -7
                    Quote: Altona
                    I reread the Strugatskikh periodically, although they are considered "ideologically alien"

                    They were considered as such under the Union. I didn't give a damn, so I practically know them by heart repeat

                    Quote: Altona
                    Ideology again

                    This is very far from me. I can only say that in the Union (as far as I remember), the contrast between ideology and reality (and I did have to communicate with the same “average party nomenklatura”, up to and including the second secretary of a million-plus city) was, in my opinion, completely outrageous.

                    As for me, I would not like to "repeat the past".

                    Quote: Altona
                    it’s not free at all, but simply an advance of society

                    You quickly get used to good things. After the first "advance", the "society" wants the second ...

                    Quote: K. Chukovsky, "Telephone"
                    And what you sent last week,
                    We have already eaten ...

                    That's something like request
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 1 May 2020 13: 48 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      You quickly get used to good things. After the first "advance", the "society" wants the second ...

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                      Well, we together conditionally "gobbled up" one USSR, now we "demand" the USSR-2.0. laughing The discussion slipped to the age-old questions of "who is to blame" and "what to do". Although I wanted to talk about what was good and bad, relatively speaking, what should have been stopped and what had to be developed. And how do we move on.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 13: 53 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Altona
                        I wanted to talk about what was good and bad, relatively speaking, what had to be stopped and what had to be developed. And how do we move on

                        Eugene, I apologize - not now and not with me. I went to work, we are launching the fourth project, and I still have a horse ... if it was lying around, then there are very few laughing

                        So for serious conversations I’m categorically not right now, the head is also like the House of Soviets request
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 1 May 2020 17: 03 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I apologize - not now and not with me. I went to work

                        #let's goodbye
                        And do not try to come back!
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 14: 52 New
                0
                The Swiss refused, voluntarily and with a song, in a referendum, unconditional basic income. Said no freebies. For corrupts.
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 1 May 2020 19: 29 New
            +7
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            All that the Soviet Union could not (or did not want) to provide to its citizens.

            Well, now, Chinese and other businessmen are providing these benefits, only half of the population has no money for these benefits.
            And which is better?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Snail N9
          the population actively wanted: 1) "two Volga", 2) "foreign salary", 3) "living space, like abroad", 4) "the promised share of the natural rent", 5) travel abroad, 6) "sneakers and chewing gum ", 7)" McDonald's ", 8)" everything is like "abroad", 9) to live like "Lenya Golubkov" - "you are lying, and denyuzhki go" .. Almost all of the above, except, perhaps, point " ) ", it (the population) and now wants.

          absolutely right!
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 1 May 2020 11: 51 New
    +1
    Well, nothing has changed. The presidents of the Central Asian republics live as Sultans, Khans.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: pro100y.belarus
    The USSR collapsed due to total lies.

    then we have no choice - we have the same
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 1 May 2020 10: 27 New
    +7
    For this, the Russian leadership does not feel the slightest feeling of gratitude to the people who created this power with their own hands, for example, I was born in 1948, all my labor activity in the USSR took place at defense enterprises, now I am a pensioner with a 2nd group invalid (right lung cancer) a miserable existence of 10000 rubles, including 1500 for disability here and I don’t have my own home, I live out of grace with my wife’s relative, who threatens to put me and my wife out the door next year
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 10: 57 New
      +2
      1. Why didn’t they get housing for 30 years of experience? Defense enterprises gave even faster. Or are these personal mistakes?
      2. Why is the pension below the minimum wage? My relative with the same diagnosis and seniority has a pension of more than 30. If you manage to apply for the second group, there will be 40. And you can also sell the parking permit of a disabled person for 140-160 thousand a year if you refuse your car.
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 1 May 2020 12: 27 New
        +2
        SanchoSP, but you can love who your relative worked for and who he is now, I was an engineer technologist and that's all
    2. Altona
      Altona 1 May 2020 11: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: Chaldon48
      For this, the Russian leadership does not feel the slightest feeling of gratitude to the people who created this power with their own hands, for example, I was born in 1948, all my labor activity in the USSR took place at defense enterprises

      -------------------------
      They have absolutely no empathy (empathy), the population for them is simply unnecessary items in all senses, which only delay funds for medicine and education, pensions and social benefits. They received a huge oil and gas rent, which is now reset to zero. Therefore, your prayers will not be heard by them.
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 1 May 2020 12: 32 New
        +4
        Altona, I have not prayed for anyone for a long time, except the Lord God, because to turn to our ruler for help is like beating your head against a wall
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  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 May 2020 10: 28 New
    10
    After all, no one then defended the USSR: neither the party, nor the army, nor the special services.
    ..When, then, on what day, were they supposed to get up .. In the days of the August putsch? ... When did most of the media say that the putschists are fascists? I remember in the then popular Leningrad newspaper Chas Pik a caricature of the putschists came out with a hint that the putschists were Pinochet, Mussolini, etc. When various Popular Fronts of the Baltic States, Ukraine, Russia shouted for our freedom and yours? .. When they decided to hold a referendum on preservation The USSR, or when, at that time, the Union press was discussing a new form of the USSR and how it would be, and many believed that it was the Union that would survive, but in a different form? The phrase "After all, no one then defended the USSR: neither the party, nor the army, nor the special services" is an inoculation of a sense of guilt, which is constantly introduced. It's like another vaccine: If the Victory had not been won, now they would have drank Bavarian ...
    1. Gurion
      Gurion 1 May 2020 11: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      When then what day did they have to get up ... In the days of the August putsch? ... When did most of the media say that the putschists were fascists? I remember in the then popular Leningrad newspaper Hour Peak, a caricature of the putschists came out with a hint that the putschists were Pinochet, Mussolini, etc. When did the various Popular Fronts of the Baltic states, Ukraine, Russia shout for our freedom and yours? .. When did you decide to hold a referendum on the preservation USSR, or when the Union press was still discussing the new form of the USSR, and how will it be and many believed that the Union would be preserved, but in a different form?

      Kolobationists and other grandchildren of Vlasovites and with strange names settled in the media .. Even Pozner was called from the USA and he didn’t get out of TV with his malicious smile and anti-Soviet with glimpses of Russophobia
      Well, then it started .. When did the peoples of the USSR see this .. then ALL

      They couldn’t endure such humiliation .. The marked Judas worked clearly .. It will burn in the hell of a bastard ..
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 1 May 2020 12: 05 New
      -4
      When then what day did they have to get up ... In the days of the August putsch? ... When did most of the media say that the putschists were fascists?

      That is, the media believed? Or did the Soviet media lie? Now who do we believe? Or began to think? And in Soviet times did not think? Alexei, this is an excuse.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 1 May 2020 16: 29 New
        +7
        Oh yeah...!.. laughing But it’s clear that the party, the army, special services should have come to the defense of the USSR on June 12, 1990, when the Soviet Congress of People’s Deputies of the RSFSR, or as it was called then, declared Russia's sovereignty? ... What Soviet mass media were already called independent then ... I thought ... smile And you probably do not ... Yes, and now hardly think smile
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 5 May 2020 20: 38 New
          +4
          It’s strange to read this from you, you usually do without insults, well, God be with you. Yes, they should have, they gave you the oath. Now compare RI and the USSR? There tens of thousands (at least ideologically) took up arms for the cause that was considered right. And where were you with your personnel PM? Media deceived you? And now on the Internet you are pouring tears, tears with a touch of sadness over the past. You are the masters to chat, not to act. You (in the Ministry of Internal Affairs) turned out to have one ideological man - Minister Pugo. When I realized that the cause of his life was over, then a bullet in the forehead. You all want the times of the Republic of Ingushetia, so people went to death and to emigrate for "one and indivisible." What were your actions? But you don’t have to scream about “yachts” and shed tears on the past mind (of yours).
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 May 2020 12: 40 New
      17
      Quote: parusnik
      I remember in the then popular Leningrad newspaper Chas Peak, a caricature of the putschists came out with a hint that the putschists are Pinochet, Mussolini, etc.

      Colleague, I completely agree with you, the people were very confused, and the insight came quickly already in the 93rd and a little late, although quite a rebellion could end in favor of the people. Ebn began to shoot people from universal fear and unfortunately there wasn’t an officer who would put a bullet in his forehead near him
      But as they say, what’s not being done is for the best, in the next 3-6 months, the population will receive such a powerful vaccine against ebony Putinism that you can be completely calm for the next fifty years.
      And you, Alexei, I sincerely congratulate you on the holiday! soldier
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 1 May 2020 15: 07 New
        +7
        Thank you, I still forgot to write about June 12, 1990, when the RSFSR declared sovereignty, having begun the collapse of the USSR, then they should have stood up for the USSR as the author writes and no one stood up? .. This is an ugly position, inculcating the author’s guilt .. .At the expense of the holiday .. This was previously the Day of Workers' Solidarity, now is the Day of Social Partnership, between labor and capital, according to the head of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation smile
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 May 2020 21: 32 New
          0
          ... disgusting position, vaccination of guilt by the author .....
          and not only by this author. Dear Alexei, who does not try to succeed in this, and what our people are not to blame for. And this author, and directors, and actresses, ...... and foreign ones are trying.
          To instill guilt in the victors of fascism, the creators of the socialist bloc, the first conquerors of outer space .....
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 1 May 2020 10: 33 New
    13
    Normal such an article! On the Day of Solidarity of Workers of All Nationalities. Hint that the Russian Federation will fall apart?
    Perhaps it is worth recalling the history, causes and goals of the creation of the country of Soviets? And what were the goals of the leadership of the CPSU and the USSR in 1991? Opposite, but hidden. Demagogy, lies, nationalism, the creation of everyday difficulties ... were used. The people did not believe Gorbachev and his minions, many believed in Yeltsin’s sincerity, as it turned out, also a liar.
    The reason is the ideological degeneration of the top. Why this happened is a separate big topic.
    Exciting because in 1991 the country stepped into the abyss.
    PS According to polls, 80% of youth are not interested in politics. State and politics are inseparable. Question. Is it possible to be a citizen in this case? Consumer is possible.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 10: 52 New
      0
      Why a hint? The fact that any state has a beginning and an end (falls apart) is an axiom. The only question is whether you or I, for example, will live to see this collapse.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 May 2020 21: 03 New
      +1
      Have a nice day, Mammoth!
      ....... 80% of young people are not interested in the movie .....
      I think I know why? The slogans and goals of the parties are so deceitful, confused that it is necessary to make efforts to sort it out ...... For young people, momentary affairs hinder this
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 1 May 2020 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I think I know why?

        I wish you good health!
        A. I do not know. Rather, "Heroes are not you ...." There are no "leaders", not mature enough.
        But ... While there are young people in Russia like you, Russia has a bright future. You know how to think and learn about it.
        Below I wrote about my father. Stalingrad. Think it over. I only got it. For thirty dead (!) One alive in the first battles. And won! Where, and what kind of people, at what times did this happen? I. It was only the beginning of the battle. . That's who the heroes are, mostly without rewards or honors.
        PS One of my uncles died defending Leningrad, your hometown.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 2 May 2020 00: 15 New
          +1
          Thanks for the good words, dear Mammoth!
          in my understanding, young people are those who are 10-15 years younger than me .....
          By my age, the desire to compare different options is just beginning to come ...
  • user
    user 1 May 2020 10: 35 New
    +5
    The United States, where many nationalities also live, is unlikely to fall apart under the pressure of national administrative factors, because this country is not divided according to nationality.


    You do not stand illusions. The United States is divided into white and black America, I'm not talking about Hispanics. Remember they had Hurricane Katrina? So there it was as if with Old Man Makhno. So you just idealize them.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 May 2020 10: 48 New
      +8
      And the author, tactfully circumvented the issue of the war between the two American states in the mid-19th century, which is known as the civil war .. Yes, and a lot of things, for example, that each state has its own legislation, about separatist sentiments in the southern states ... etc . etc..
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 1 May 2020 12: 02 New
        +1
        And in the lands of Germany, and in the provinces of Canada, and in the states of Australia, Brazil, India, Mexico, and in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, too, their own legislation. Under federal law. And in the United States in different states, legislation differs only in those matters that are the responsibility of the states. Federal laws in the United States are uniform throughout the territory. Both the US Constitution and federal laws take precedence over state and state constitutions.
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 10: 51 New
      +1
      Well, why are you so racist? There is plenty of white garbage there too.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 1 May 2020 11: 55 New
      +2
      White and black live everywhere there, albeit in different proportions. In no state, blacks make up the majority.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: user
      USA divided into white and black America

      The war between them ended in 1865 and so far America has not collapsed, despite all the efforts of our propagandons laughing

      they have already made a fortune in this field, but she doesn’t die
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 10: 50 New
    +2
    Then it is necessary to expand that there was not one single USSR. In the twenties, fifties, seventies and nineties, these were completely different states, with different goals, objectives, and even people.

    The Soviet Union in the imperial sense ceased to exist after the death of Stalin. All subsequent leaders tried to sit on two chairs, increasing the welfare of the population, each to the best of his understanding.

    Young people today are nostalgic for the Stalinist times that not even their parents saw. Poverty, war, wear and tear and other problems of the plebs - this is already forgotten, and majestic buildings, portraits, the memory of the Victory (actively supported), the position of the elite (about which books and films) are still remembered.


    Older people remember the times when Khrushchov and Brezhnev spent the entire reserve of the imperial state on bread and circuses for the same plebs. About times when it was not necessary to think, only to do what they say and it was “normal”.
    As in the case of Rome, the backlog ended, and the plebs without free bread and circuses were already unhappy, but did not want to think or do anything either.
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 May 2020 11: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Older people remember the times when Khrushchov and Brezhnev spent the entire reserve of the imperial state on bread and circuses for the same plebs. About times when it was not necessary to think, only to do what they say and it was “normal”.
      As in the case of Rome, the backlog ended, and the plebs without free bread and circuses were already unhappy, but did not want to think or do anything either.

      ----------------------------------
      Well, I do not really agree with this, they also created a groundwork, and the people could be pulled up in everyday life, but all this was done clumsily. There was still a consumable nomenclature that might have been justified in the 1920s, but looked like an outspoken nobility in the 1980s. It was possible, in general, "and bread, and circuses" toss. Well, you're right, any power ends with the exhaustion of funds. The current one is no exception.
      PS We are talking about the late Soviet period in which we lived. As for the 40,50,60,70's, other states have also changed, everyone had some kind of ideological genesis. The USSR was not a horse in a vacuum.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 May 2020 11: 13 New
    +8
    Whatever it was, but I categorically do not want the state unification of the former Soviet republics! In the days of the USSR, either two or three republics were self-sufficient ... even, in my opinion, only two! That is, they "fed" themselves! Among them - and Russia ... And it was they who had to "feed" the entire Union! Most of the "taken", taking into account the territory, population, economy, accounted for Russia! It turns out that we will not twist our hearts by saying that Russia was "feeding" the Union! How much better would the Russian people and other peoples of Russia live if during the "Soviet times" Russia had not been robbed? And now to regret? belay What ... what? What to wish for? Again hang a parasite on your neck? [I do not want !!! It is possible to unite if it is appropriate, but with relatives (in one way or another ...) in mentality, racial origin, peoples: Belarusians, Ukrainians, other countries of Slavic origin ....
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 1 May 2020 13: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      but I categorically do not want the state union of the former Soviet republics!

      I support, although this is impossible in principle
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 1 May 2020 16: 21 New
      +3
      The twentieth century is a change of values. Before that, territories, arable lands, mines, and slaves were valuable. After steel, systems were valuable: supply chains, technologies, factories. And the territories and population became ballast. When the USSR was formed, these republics were valuable and needed, by the sunset of the USSR it all became a burden.
      1. user
        user 9 May 2020 08: 33 New
        0
        After steel, systems were valuable: supply chains, technologies, factories.


        Here you are wrong. The most valuable are people and not just people, but educated people who support one ideology of life values.

        But judging by your comments, this will be a revelation for you.
    3. Vlad world
      Vlad world 1 May 2020 19: 27 New
      0
      That's right. The budget of the USSR was constantly paid by Russia and sometimes Byelorussia. Ukraine spent everything only on itself. 30 percent of Russia's income went to direct feeding of the republics. But supporters of the USSR do not want to know this in principle. And when the USSR collapsed, Russia sighed more freely - parasites fell off.
      And the reasons for the collapse - I will finish the comments and post the version. The cons will be oyeya. Both from the supporters of Lenin and from their "ideological" opponents, the liberals. Maybe someone will have time to post the "version"
  • pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 1 May 2020 11: 13 New
    +7
    Weird question. On a global scale, the struggle and unity of ideologies took place, in the USSR there was no, as in Yugoslavia, Art. 13 of the Constitution, but it looks like they will throw it out with amendments - comments. There were ideological communists and "born to crawl" consumers - leaders and activists were let into power by Khrushchev. Consumers got rid of ideological ones and killed the Union, this is something else collapsed.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 May 2020 11: 16 New
    0
    A lie collapsed the USSR. Lies and hypocrisy in ideology, home registry in the economy. The system rotted, and there was laziness to repair. They ate sweetly, slept soundly. That's all and ask ... whether.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 May 2020 11: 21 New
    +7
    I agree with the author. The "United States of Russia" could stifle national separatism. National cultures grew simply in greenhouse conditions. Many peoples had their own privileges: the peoples of the North, the Caucasus, Central Asia. It can be said that the national question destroyed the Union.
    The second problem is the stupid policy regarding private initiative in the economy. On the one hand, there were "6 acres", a significant shadow economy. On the other hand, there is a large percentage of enterprises without a "reasonable owner" (especially in agriculture).
    Man, by nature, will always strive for property and have a "voice of the blood." The communists ignore this. These are the reasons for the collapse of the socialist states (not only the USSR).

    And the USSR, as a single state, was torn to pieces by specific people. The General Secretary, the Politburo, the top of the power bloc, especially the KGB, showed criminal action and inaction. The rest of the "social ladder" as usual expected the next "transformation of power." If in 1991 everyone had been told "Khan Soyuz", the masses could have "kicked up". Even in 1991,1993, 1996 and XNUMX there were chances for a "reconquest of the Union", but everything was decided by the "power block".
    The collapse of the Union, the heir to the Empire, will remain a terrible monument to collective meanness, naivety and stupidity.
    1. Antifreeze
      Antifreeze 2 May 2020 19: 34 New
      -2
      Even in 1991,1993, 1996 and XNUMX there were chances for a "reconquest of the Union", but everything was decided by the "power block"

      I agree, the "power block" at that time already felt the taste of money from over the hill
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 11: 22 New
    +6
    The author’s version does not stand up to criticism. Again this nonsense about the bomb planted by Lenin. What can I say In attempts to abandon Mraxism, one has to rely not on scientific thought, but on visions from mushrooms, grass, and other substances.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 11: 56 New
      -4
      Mraxism. Freudian reservation?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 12: 03 New
        +4
        laughing Ivanov, why are you so sadly predictable?
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 May 2020 12: 46 New
      15
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Again this nonsense about the bomb planted by Lenin.

      Of course nonsense, supported by the greatest leader, which, in fact, testifies to the true views and goals of the elite.
      And you, Makar, with the holiday! drinks Happy Our Proletarian Holiday
      Solidarity! soldier
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 14: 56 New
        +2
        The Union just broke on the Leninist lines of the borders of national republics. Yes, Ilyich transferred Russian lands to these republics. Is this not a bomb?
  • tatra
    tatra 1 May 2020 11: 23 New
    +7
    Those who seriously argue that one country can feed the whole world, and countries can disintegrate by themselves - without the participation of those who deliberately break up them - should be put into psychiatric hospitals right away. And the enemies of the USSR and Soviet power on the territory of the USSR themselves admit what they consider to be their crimes, what they did for criminal purposes, what they did badly for their country and people - every time they cowardly dump responsibility for what they did -on others, including the fact that if they cowardly blame the communists and their supporters for the fact that they seized the USSR and dismembered it into their "independence-self-identity", then they themselves recognize the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR by their crimes.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 1 May 2020 11: 28 New
    +2
    The mentality was too different in different republics (Transcaucasia, Central Asia) ... together they could be kept only by force ... as soon as the strength weakened, everyone fled ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 1 May 2020 11: 52 New
      +9
      In the territory of the USSR, all 100 years after the October Revolution, only two peoples live, regardless of nationalities — Soviet and anti-Soviet, radically different both in work and mentality, intellect, attitude to their country, and the history of their country. So, the Soviet people - for living in one big country, for the Friendship of Peoples, anti-Soviet - for breaking up this centuries-old big country, for anger and hatred between peoples, for unleashing wars between peoples on the territory of the USSR.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 12: 35 New
        -11
        Quote: tatra
        On the territory of the USSR ... only two peoples live - the Soviet and anti-Soviet ... Soviet people - for living in one big country, for the Friendship of Peoples, anti-Soviet - for dismembering this centuries-old big country, for anger and hatred between peoples, for the outbreak of wars between peoples on the territory of the USSR

        You, with your sermons, will probably unleash the second Civil ... though - no, hardly ... the nut is weak with you, fiery bortsoff.

        Not to mention what you write ... well, just a fierce blizzard - there are no "two peoples", and there never were.

        And the Union was torn apart and pulled apart - representatives of the nomenklatura of the CPSU, so beloved by you, with the "Komsomol leaders" and other crooks who joined them. You can try to refute, just be careful - I saw it all with my own eyes, and I was then a little bit before thirty yes
        1. tatra
          tatra 1 May 2020 12: 42 New
          +8
          Ha, your anti-Soviet people, all 100 years after the October Revolution, proves that there are two peoples, including the fact that if the Soviet people have always been proud and proud of what they have done since the October Revolution, then your anti-Soviet people, all these For 100 years it has been spiteful against the Soviet people, against everything that the Soviet people did, and cowardly blames responsibility for what your people themselves have done - from the Civil War unleashed by you after the October Revolution with the aim of taking the country from the Soviet people, to responsibility and the 30-year-old results of your highly paid work after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 13: 15 New
            -8
            Well, why are you turned on with Polaberta, "Tatra"?

            I am not spiteful against the "Soviet people", I myself am from there. And it’s you who are angry here.

            Quote: tatra
            the Civil War that you unleashed after the October Revolution with the aim of taking the country from the Soviet people

            At the time when there was Civil, there was no "Soviet people" in the project. He was very much later brought out, by the method of training and selection.

            Quote: tatra
            30-year results of your highly paid work after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you

            Well, okay. Better to drive than to be persecuted (c).

            I repeat -

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            The union was destroyed and pulled apart - representatives of the nomenclature of the CPSU, so beloved by you, with the "Komsomol leaders" who joined them and other crooks

            I do not belong to any of these categories - that in the Union, that now I have been and remain hired labor. Qualified, and therefore, yes - not cheap.

            That's all request laughing
            1. tatra
              tatra 1 May 2020 13: 20 New
              +9
              And why do I need this senseless malignancy AGAINST one of the representatives of the anti-Soviet people? This is what distinguishes the Soviet people from the anti-Soviet. The Soviet people are the people of FOR, your anti-Soviet people and all 70 years under Soviet power, and all 30 years under your anti-Soviet power is the people AGAINST.
              FOR YOURSELF, for what you yourself have done, and FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND PEOPLE you haven’t got anything good for all these 100 years.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 13: 23 New
                -8
                Quote: tatra
                And why do I need this senseless malignancy ...

                I don’t know why you are boiling here, like a kettle on a stove. Look in the mirror and ask him why you need this senseless malignancy. Perhaps it will answer you something.

                Shchi-plum ... "Tatra" laughing
        2. Altona
          Altona 1 May 2020 12: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And the Union was torn apart and pulled apart - representatives of the nomenklatura of the CPSU, so beloved by you, with the "Komsomol leaders" and other crooks who joined them. You can try to refute, just be careful - I saw it all with my own eyes, and I was then a little bit before thirty

          -------------------------
          Roman, we are all talking about the same thing, in different words and with the inclusion of personal impressions of that time. Just the silence of the majority, even if disapproving at times, legalized all these socio-economic changes. But on the other hand, it could not be otherwise, because the top of the society did not offer super-tasks - the war was won, space was conquered, the USA caught up with steel and cast iron, if exaggerated. Ideology began to degrade and decay, releasing only a disc of anti-Americanism. As Stalin predicted that without "the development of ideology, we will die."
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 1 May 2020 13: 04 New
            -8
            Quote: Altona
            the silence of the majority, even if sometimes disapproving, legalized all these socio-economic changes

            And the Union taught exactly this - to tacitly approve. Everything I remember (and I remember from the 70s) was exactly like that. In words - "the Soviet people, the builder ...", but in fact - the total power of the CPSU (its "top" and "middle", more precisely), a completely closed organization.

            Quote: Altona
            it could not be otherwise, because the top ...

            ... finally decided to live beautifully and openly. And the people, out of habit, were silent.

            That is why it is precisely we who are now where we are now.

            PS: And read Strugatsky's "Predatory Things of the Century", since you haven't read it ... I guarantee you will get a lot of impressions yes
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 13: 08 New
            +4
            Actually without a theory. And at least some kind of ideology should be invented if it is not backed up by the economy and ultimately will collapse.
            1. Altona
              Altona 1 May 2020 13: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Actually without a theory.

              --------------------
              Without theory, yes, you're right. It’s just that when you write a lot, you start talking already, the words do not keep up with thoughts.
          3. tatra
            tatra 1 May 2020 13: 09 New
            +3
            Yes, what are the "super tasks" of those who seized the USSR. They that under the USSR were screaming that they needed a country only for the sake of having a lot of things, to wander around the world, that 30 years after their capture of the USSR they boasted about how much they had got, went around the world.
      2. Altona
        Altona 1 May 2020 13: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: tatra
        In the territory of the USSR, all 100 years after the October Revolution, only two peoples live, regardless of nationalities - the Soviet and anti-Soviet

        ----------------------
        Is this a new "Aryan theory"? In any society there are individuals with selfish inclinations and everything depends on the upbringing of these and the limitation of their needs, wishes, as they say now. Again, these are questions of ethics and education, in the final analysis of the official ideology and how it is supported by deeds.
  • Avior
    Avior 1 May 2020 11: 32 New
    +3
    I’m reading about how the elites of the Union collapsed, and the question arises, well, the elite, but why didn’t we come out when this happened?
    Where did everyone hide at that moment? I see, after all, that many of the colleagues on the Union’s website were clearly caught, what were we silent about?
    Units were indignant, and that’s all ....
    sad
    1. Liam
      Liam 1 May 2020 11: 35 New
      +1
      Are you nostalgic for the USSR?
    2. tatra
      tatra 1 May 2020 12: 22 New
      +3
      And from WHOM specifically it was necessary to protect the USSR in Perestroika? Who are those people, and why they do not admit that they captured the USSR, divided it among themselves, imposed themselves in power, their System, economy, ideology on the country and the people?
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 1 May 2020 13: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Where did everyone hide at that moment? I see, after all, that many of the colleagues on the Union’s website were clearly caught, what were we silent about?

      And who knew that this would happen? For example, I walked past the square, where there were 20 people with a poster "Down with the Emergency Committee" and saw my former classmate there. I also remember thinking: "Roma, where are you going?" Roma is now working as a watchman. Reduced from train drivers to railway.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 14: 59 New
        +2
        This is not an indicator. My friend defended the Communists with foam at the mouth, was more faithful than Nina Andreeva. Now - an entrepreneur, has already earned his green million.
  • hermit
    hermit 1 May 2020 11: 34 New
    +6
    The collapse of the USSR is the zero stage of privatization. The ruling elite sought to restore capitalism — it did so. It's funny when they write that the reason for the collapse of the USSR is the existence of the republics. RI was single and indivisible, but this did not save her from decay.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 May 2020 11: 45 New
    +1

    What was it necessary to turn the present into wanting a future similar to the past?
  • tatra
    tatra 1 May 2020 11: 46 New
    +3
    And what is the result of 30 years after the dismemberment of the USSR? And such that those who are in "independence" on the territory of the former USSR "and now are better than in the USSR" are not able to defend their "independence", their anti-Soviet power, their System, economy, than they themselves admit that after the destruction USSR EVERYTHING has become worse for the former republics of the USSR and their peoples. And they are "proud" only of how much they got at the expense of other people's labor, at the expense of their country and people.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 May 2020 11: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: unaha
    I believe that without cross-control of independent branches of government, the final outcome that led to the collapse of the USSR and to which the Russian Federation is steadily moving is inevitable.

    The Soviet elite itself destroyed the cross-control system. Naturally, who wants to be in control, also answer, and God forbid, a period or a life.
  • demo
    demo 1 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +2
    The reason for the collapse, however paradoxical it may be, lies precisely in the fact that the state did not have a safety valve in the form of an opposition.
    The monopoly on power and on decision-making led to the fact that the entire foundation of the state - People's and Party control, the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, at the moment when it was necessary to pull the presumptuous General Secretary and his accomplices, could not break themselves "over the knee".
    Party discipline and official subordination did not allow ordinary members to realize that it was just necessary to arrest the villains.
    And fear for their possible mistakes also corroded the souls of lower ones.
    And this state of affairs was very well known to Gorbachev and his associates.
    Only the Plenum of the Central Committee and the Congress of the CPSU could raise the question of the legality of decisions and actions.
    And only the top leaders of the CPSU could convene the Plenum and Congress.
    All. The mousetrap slammed shut.
    True, it first turned out to be millions of Communists, and then the rest of the state.

    The formation and creation of the USSR, where the national republics are included as equal subjects, is a mine that subsequently completed what Gorbachev started.
    And if for that initial period of time there was no other option to bring the country together (I previously thought it was Ulyanov’s malicious move), then in the future, and especially after the Great Patriotic War, when the whole nation, all the main ethnic groups showed themselves as mature and deliberate, it was possible to remove the national division from the agenda.
    And to find other forms that could further prevent nationalism from flourishing.

    JV Stalin lost sight of this.
    And his unprepossessing receiver reached his scanty little mind to what should be done.

    And so we have what we have.
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 May 2020 12: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: demo
      The formation and creation of the USSR, where the national republics are included as equal subjects, is a mine that subsequently completed what Gorbachev started.

      -----------------------
      It was a concession to national separatism, which was strong during the years of the revolution and civil war, another question is that their supranational character was registered in the status of the republics, and not of the nominally nominal nationality.
      1. demo
        demo 1 May 2020 13: 32 New
        +2
        And I'm about the same.
  • tatra
    tatra 1 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +3
    The enemies of the communists, "liberated" by Gorbachev, including the separatists, and led by him, in their anti-Soviet mendacious Perestroika, "bombed" the Soviet people from all sides. And the total slander they launched against the Bolshevik-communists, and the fact that they blatantly lied to the peoples in the republics of the USSR, that it was their republic that feeds the entire USSR, that it was necessary to secede, and everyone in the republic would live many times richer, and the fact that “the communists you are underpaid "that it is necessary to overthrow Soviet power, and give the country to the enemies of the communists, and they will pay the people much more, and there are many more lies to the people, including the image of a" fighter with privileges "created by Yeltsin
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 1 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +1
    I will not repeat for those who say that the Soviet Union destroyed Gorbachev, or that it was done by three people who signed a piece of paper in the Belarusian forests. They would simply not be able to do it.


    Why can't you? In synergetics, there is such a concept as the "Bradbury butterfly": in order to bring down a system that is in an unstable state, it is enough to apply a very small force in the right place.

    The question is, why did it turn out to be unstable? The main reason is that socialism / communism was a utopia, and they always carry a self-destructive mechanism. Sooner or later, the question arises, when will the bright future come? Faith disappears from the lower classes, faith disappears from the priests (the "nomenclature" was already a system of negative selection), "Overton windows" appear (taboos are destroyed) ...
    In addition, utopia can always be instilled only by a rigid dictatorship, which sooner or later bothers everyone. Dissidents appear, law enforcement agencies are afraid to use force, fearing that they may be accused of crimes in the future (recall the events in Alma-Ata, Tbilisi, Vilnius).

    The emergence of chaos always creates "social elevators" for subordinate bosses and opens up new opportunities for criminals and outside forces.

    It is another matter that in order to stabilize a system in an unstable state, the application of a very small force in the right place (as in Tiananmen in China) is also sufficient - unfortunately, we did not find such people at that time.

    On the other hand, all the "sovereign" republics that emerged from the USSR with their "market" economies are also utopias. The emergence of one or another state formation on their ruins is a matter of time. Russia is not a country, Russia is a way of self-organization of the Eurasian space.
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 May 2020 12: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: sevryuk
      The main reason is that socialism / communism was utopian, and they always carry a self-undermining mechanism.

      -------------------------
      Stalin described this as "the intensification of the class struggle as socialism strengthens," that is, the bifurcation point does not disappear anywhere, and as the productive forces grow, there will always be people willing to appropriate them and restore capitalism.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 13: 14 New
      +4
      And where did you get that socialism and communism is a utopia? Is it you that the Bradbury butterfly sang from the overtone window?
      1. Altona
        Altona 1 May 2020 13: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        And where did you get that socialism and communism is a utopia?

        --------------------
        By the way, I also asked this question. "Utopia" could not transform the country from an agrarian into an agrarian-industrial one, could not win a bloody war, split an atom and launch a rocket into space, help dozens of new states.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 May 2020 13: 14 New
      +8
      Quote: sevryuk
      The main reason is that socialism / communism was utopian, and they always carry a self-undermining mechanism.

      You are here do not preach the laws of the jungle. These predators there regulate the number of herbivores. In your words, utopia utterly defeated real imperialism; illiteracy won, raised the country's economy to unprecedented heights and achievements, created a whole section of cultural heritage called “socialist realism”; in the end, defeated cholera, typhoid, measles, polio and other adversities?
      And what did “objective capitalism” bring to the country? The absolute degradation of all sectors of the economy and livelihoods, which does not bring immediate profit? The genocide of the indigenous population of a country where, without an influx of migrants, the census would show all the advantages and joys of life for a beggarly salary? Sweatshops working until death? Self-isolation as a panacea for a pandemic?
      WHAT IS LIGHT AND JOY?
      Quote: sevryuk
      Russia is not a country, Russia is a way of self-organization of the Eurasian space.

      Russia is slowly turning into a territory with a capitalist economy, where in the pursuit of profit they are plundered (because such export and withdrawal of resources under the existing taxation cannot be called production) absolutely all material resources and all actions of the authorities only aggravate this process.
      Quote: sevryuk
      It is another matter that in order to stabilize a system in an unstable state, the application of a very small force in the right place (as in Tiananmen in China) is also sufficient - unfortunately, we did not find such people at that time.

      But now there were conditions to maintain the continuity of power and strength to deter the "zealous" masses, who began to dream of a "utopia."
      hi
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 2 May 2020 12: 13 New
        -1
        Okay, now we have a feudal-kleptarchic system. Both are very vulnerable in the period of generational change (physical extinction of "perdizents" and thieves). So there are chances. There will be chaos, and there will be attractors.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 May 2020 12: 03 New
    +5
    Or maybe it will pass?
    Of course, the specific administrative structure was not the only reason for the collapse of the USSR.

    But this was one of the key reasons for spreading into national apartments. Some have forgotten the principles of unity of command. And when the signs of nationalism began to appear in the republics, they turned their heads away and pretended that nothing was happening.
    There was still a mass of external and internal causes, accumulated problems. In one article, it is simply impossible to consider all of them.

    And why consider them all? The main reason is written from biblical times:
    The tower (in our case, Russia) was to become a kind of beacon for people lost on the plain and the greatest achievement for the people. The Lord (in other words, capital) was enraged by such insolence, since the construction of the tower was not a means of praising God, but an attempt by the people to glorify themselves. Then God created many different languages ​​and endowed them with the descendants of Noah. As a result, the Babylonians ceased to understand each other. The construction of the tower was stopped due to the emergence of a language barrier. The tower of Babylon, located, according to biblical giving, in the center of the great city - collapsed. The people divided into groups were forced to settle on the Earth.

    No associations have arisen?
    And one does not need to delve into the personality of the NSH, HMS, EBN in order to find out the main reason for the hatred of the USSR and the thirst for the destruction of the state. It is visible to the naked eye. This is a socialist economic formation. It was her principles: “man to man — friend, comrade and brother” and “from each according to his ability, to each according to work” that destroyed the ideology of usurious, parasitic slave-owning (over time - capitalist) society.
    Why are still centrifugal forces in the former Soviet republics? Russia has nothing to offer the peoples, because everywhere life is "arranged" according to the principle of a small part of the population - the power that holds the upper hand and those close to it and the main powerless part of the true working population.
    It seems that the Soviet elite had good reasons to break up the USSR, moving to privatization and a market economy. She skillfully used the administrative resource and again found herself at the top of the “food chain” in the young state. I mean not only Russia, but also other post-Soviet republics. Former party apparatchiks, who used to lead people to the bright heights of communism, quickly and easily became democrats, nationalists, patriots - anyone, just to stay “at the helm”.

    The collapse of the USSR, the scrapings of which were undermined by the post-Stalinist leadership, became possible with the desire of the top leadership of the CPSU and the KGB, to feel during life all the "charms and advantages" of the capitalist system for part of society. Too expensive and too long, as it turned out in practice, was to build “collective happiness”. It was much easier to “deceive” the population with promises and prospects when, in a successively destroyed economy (under the HMS), people could see for themselves the fruits of the long-term construction of socialism. Remember where the HMS started? Just don’t say that this happened by chance, according to the “nearness of mind” of the Stavropol combine and by the will of his wife.
    Finally finished off the EBN system - a vengeful, ambitious, stupid person with alcohol addiction. In Russia, we have long been “loved” by drunkards, beggars and holy fools. So he was elevated to the throne under the hooting of crowds of all kinds of buffoons and the calls of overseas producers. There is only one term of presidency and there is no public property and there is no one normally functioning branch of power. Although there were still individuals pointing people to his political myopia. As were those traitors who, under the guise of the Communist Party (the people must believe someone) handed over power to the hands of villains, and the country for further plunder.
    Unlike the present and the future, it is impossible to influence the past, so it should simply be accepted as it was. And you must always look forward to the future. Although questions remain to those who committed the collapse of a huge state, there can be no limitation period for such a crime (otherwise it is difficult to call it).

    The main thing here is not to forget about the criminals themselves and their accomplices, about active participants in the organized crime group and others whose monuments found places in cemeteries and streets of absolutely all Russian cities. Remember what benefits the criminal revolution of the 90s brought and deserved the main participants, rather than building pantheons for them and not perpetuating images in temples and constitutional amendments.
    hi
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 May 2020 12: 50 New
      12
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The collapse of the USSR, the scrapings of which were undermined by the post-Stalinist leadership, became possible with the desire of the top leadership of the CPSU and the KGB, to feel all the "charms and advantages" during life

      You are absolutely right! I personally witnessed how the committee members formed the so-called "popular fronts" along the perimeter of the USSR.
      And you, Comrade, I congratulate you on the Holiday! soldier
  • Altona
    Altona 1 May 2020 12: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Altona
    China has decided to follow the path of prosperous capitalism

    --------------------
    Socialism, not capitalism. The Freudian clause, as they say. Capitalism creates material resources and prerequisites for socialism, socialism according to Marxism is an intermediate stage and with elements of capitalism.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 1 May 2020 13: 16 New
      +1
      He has a very interesting socialism. Which is more and more national.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 1 May 2020 15: 03 New
        +3
        In China, everything is "national" We will never understand them. God forbid the CCP will tell them "face", Hitler's arts will seem like childish tricks.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 1 May 2020 12: 12 New
    +4
    On the one hand, the collapse of the Soviet socio-political and economic system and the collapse of the USSR as a state-territorial entity must be shared. I regret the last much more. It is unfortunate that in 1922 that group of Bolsheviks who advocated the inclusion of Ukraine, Belarus and the Caucasus in the RSFSR and against the creation of a new superstructure represented by the Union was defeated. The hopes for a world revolution were too great. After all, at first they thought that states that had never been part of the Russian Empire would enter the USSR ...
  • tatra
    tatra 1 May 2020 12: 31 New
    +1
    How many enemies of the USSR have cowardly verbiage in order to blame the responsibility for the destruction of the USSR and the creation on its territory of States in which they, without bringing any benefit to the country and people, have raped their large and huge, compared with the people, salaries and incomes of the Communists and their supporters.
    But none of them is able to prove HOW the USSR could have been destroyed without their "Liberator" Gorbachev.
  • iouris
    iouris 1 May 2020 12: 34 New
    +2
    The USSR did not disintegrate, but "half-collapsed" - and therefore worries. As far as "easy" is concerned, this is not so, but the factual side of the story of how the USSR was dissolved "from above" is not presented. "The process has started!", The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the process, therefore: "People, be careful!"
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 1 May 2020 13: 13 New
    +1
    Yes, no one cares about this, except for the old-timers, who, besides endless conversations about the same thing, have nothing to do.
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 May 2020 14: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Tomic3
      Yes, nobody cares

      You have not noticed that from the point of view of formal logic it is necessary to write "everyone does not care", but you get a double negation. You see, you wrote not what you think. Probably you think not what you write. How difficult it is to communicate with you!
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 1 May 2020 13: 17 New
    +3
    All with the Day of Workers!

  • Ham
    Ham 1 May 2020 13: 33 New
    +5
    There is only one reason - the government has betrayed its people, and outright traitors like Gorbachev, Shevornadze and Yakovlev have appeared at key posts ...
    you just think!
    the president, the foreign minister and the main ideologist are traitors !!!
    if we decompose the entire chain of decisions of the bald-headed law, starting from the “dry law”, it becomes quite obvious that there could be only one goal - the collapse of the state and its complete ideological and foreign policy capitulation
    1. tatra
      tatra 1 May 2020 13: 49 New
      +2
      Enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people love to clap, "but as one man Gorbachev could destroy the USSR, which means the USSR was bad." BUT this is their next cowardly delirium. Gorbachev did what Putin did after he became the head of the State, and has been done many times in world history, when the person who became the head of the State immediately began to replace people in the highest echelons of power with his own. So Gorbachev replaced the real, by convictions, communists with those with whom he destroyed the USSR together. He even kicked out Gromyko, who recommended him for the post of General Secretary of the USSR.
    2. iouris
      iouris 1 May 2020 14: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Ham
      and key posts were outright traitors

      Not like now.
      1. Ham
        Ham 1 May 2020 14: 30 New
        +1
        justify that now "traitors"?
        or just grunted?
        it’s necessary to be put up in cabbage soup so that after Chechnya, 08.08.08, Crimea, Donbass and Syria quack about traitors
  • KSVK
    KSVK 1 May 2020 14: 13 New
    +1
    I do not agree with the author.
    IMHO, the Soviet Union ended at the moment when oil and gas went through a pipe to the European Union of the USSR.
    And consumer goods went back to the Union. It was a sentence of the Soviet light industry. And over time, dependence on the pipe only became stronger. Now, of course, it is easy to judge as time passes. But then it was necessary to change for oil and gas not cheap consumer goods, but technology and specialists. By the way, as Mikoyan did at the time, purchasing equipment for factories in the states. not finished products. And of course it would be necessary to give the light industry “to the mercy” of cooperatives or, if you like, private business, while maintaining the state’s control (at least partial) over heavy industry, extractive industries and the military-industrial complex.
    And so, having gotten completely dependent on the supply of consumer goods to the foreign exchange earnings of the pipe and having lost these supplies, due to the artificial reduction in energy prices arranged by our current “partners”, the processes began that the author of the article presents as the original reason.
    1. Sertorius
      Sertorius 1 May 2020 15: 57 New
      +1
      And consumer goods went back to the Union

      Something I do not remember the stalls filled with jeans and other commotion. Compose.
      Having become completely dependent on consumer goods deliveries on the foreign exchange earnings of the pipe and having lost these supplies, due to the artificial reduction in energy prices arranged by our current “partners”, the processes that the author of the article presents as the original reason have begun.
      That is, the Soviet Union collapsed due to falling energy prices? Do not compare the Union with modern Russia. Its economic power was not built on oil and gas.