“This is not a show, but a memorable event”: how they try to explain the salutes of Victory without people

In connection with the decision to postpone the parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory and at the same time the decision to hold a festive salute, a considerable number of citizens had questions. The main one is this:
If an order has been received to hold a firework on May 9 in all large and relatively large cities of Russia, but the self-isolation regime is extended until at least May 11 inclusive, then who can, as they say, enjoy the fireworks firsthand?

The question really cannot be called idle. After all, salutes from the time of the first victories (the liberation of cities) during the Great Patriotic War were carried out precisely for the purpose that they could be seen by citizens of the country. To see, to be inspired, to feel the joy of victory - especially the Great Victory in the war. That is, they were either conducted or not conducted. But here are the victory salutes without people - without spectators ...

Federal officials are not yet eager to comment on the decisions made on "salutes without spectators"; instead, regional officials are trying to do this. One of the attempts to clarify the situation was demonstrated in the Voronezh region. The governor of the region, Alexander Gusev, stated literally the following (quote from the official portal of regional authorities):

The topic is very important in terms of anti-epidemiological measures. We understand that hundreds of thousands of people have always gathered to watch fireworks. Which, of course, is not permissible now. And we must make a decision with you: there will be a salute, but it should not be a sight, a show, it is still a memorable event. There is a good suggestion - change the site.

The material indicates that the meeting participants under the governor also discussed the postponement of the start of the salute.

At the moment: an unknown platform, unknown time, lack of people - so that they don’t “think that this is all a show for the sake of it.”

Frankly, it is unlikely that any of the adequate citizens at the time of the salute on Victory Day thought that he was present not at the great national holiday, but at a show arranged by someone.

But if this helps in the fight against coronavirus, then perhaps the right decision. But only this will not remove all questions from the population.

Apparently, in the best case, it will be offered to look at the salutes on TV - "in the distance."

Comments

[Grandfather]

But if this helps in the fight against coronavirus, then perhaps the right decision.

in this "struggle" unemployment has already doubled, and this is only the beginning. They have completely lost their minds with such a "struggle" ... have you decided to fight to the last Russian?

[Lexus]

“This is not a show, but a memorable event”

And for what purpose, then, are the "preoccupies" draping the Mausoleum? Is the memory "inconvenient"?
Calls to carry out the procession of the "Immortal Regiment" on the balconies are at all the height of the mindlessness of the "self-withdrawn".

[To be or not to be]

yeah -all hungry people ride their hacienda in their cars

[Stalllker]

As if over the hill differently

[St Petrov]

As if over the hill differently

This is different, you do not understand

[Stalllker]

The answer of the blonde !!! Maybe what are you saying wrong? How do you like this turn?

[_Sergei_]

I always watch salutes from the window or from the roof of the barn. We have a small city and go to the square, and then 2 hours returning in five is somehow not very good.

[Barmaleyka]

and in childhood we went to collect "salutinka"

shot from the roof of our house and we looked not up but down to the ground

[Malyuta]

Quote: Barmaleyka

shot from the roof of our house and we looked not up but down to the ground

I'm very sorry who shot from the roof of your house and from what? I hope it was not the Reichstag?

[Barmaleyka]

No, certainly, the anniversary store in Alma-Ata, as I understand it, you thought that they were carrying guns? !!!
Honestly, I was in elementary school at that time, and they shot, apparently collecting a bunch of shots at rocket launchers

in any case, this crap we collected

[Malyuta]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Honestly, I was in elementary school at that time, and they shot, apparently collecting a bunch of shots at rocket launchers

What year was it in?

[Barmaleyka]

in the last century, still dear Ilyich was alive
soldiers dragged these "shots" on the high-rise buildings to the roof and fired them, and the boys ran and collected the "solutinks" of joy, there were full pants, I had a whole bag of them at home

[Malyuta]

Quote: Barmaleyka

in the last century, still dear Ilyich was alive
soldiers dragged these "shots" on the high-rise buildings to the roof and fired them, and the boys ran and collected the "solutinks" of joy, there were full pants, I had a whole bag of them at home

in theory, this is how it looks for a long time

[Barmaleyka]

Nah, definitely not such fools dragged
but to be honest we don’t give a damn what was being dragged there it was more interesting to crawl to dryness and collect this rubbish
offer this to modern children laugh

[Malyuta]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Nah, definitely not such fools dragged
but to be honest we don’t give a damn what was being dragged there it was more interesting to crawl to dryness and collect this rubbish
offer this to modern children laugh

the principle is one, only the caliber of the shot can be less, and we collected too, these are fragments of plastic.

[Barmaleyka]

they were not plastic, metal

[Zementbomber]

They ("fools" those) - and now of different calibers are actually used ...

[Dazdranagon]

This is a show to raise Putin's rating. We can’t be fooled! A memorable event is when you directly do something good to veterans!

[mole]

Quote: Dazdranagon

This is a show to raise Putin's rating. We can’t be fooled! A memorable event is when you directly do something good to veterans!

Not only to veterans.
The essence of the holiday is the transfer of memory to the next generation, but with us this is not very. Not very precisely at the level of the State Power. Superficially, for reporting.
I repeat my comment:
"Here the eighth graders asked what anniversary we will celebrate? Silence. I decided in a simpler way: When is Victory Day? They wondered on the coffee grounds. One suggested that it was May 8. I gave him that he was a little wrong, we will celebrate on May 9. In response, I heard: OK."

[Hypatius]

Almost all regions have introduced a fire regime. 2 months you can’t grill kebabs. Although the occupiers are not asleep: Therefore, it was better for citizens to update order √120:

[knn54]

It would be better if the military graves were put in order with this money.

[frog]

You would also have suggested that all those who died in that war be found and buried as it should be. The Union didn’t even go for it, so what to ask from outsiders?

[Million]

Now everything is a show, times are ....

[Nyrobsky]

Yesterday was Radonitsa. They commemorated their relatives and friends of the deceased at the call of God and contrary to (self-propelled guns) and put candles in their memory and for peace, each personally experiencing his loss. Everyone, in his own understanding and in his capabilities, has given a debt of memory. At the same time, no one accused the state of lack of attention. Your loss, your tears. They say that when a person laughs, the whole world laughs with him, but when he cries, he cries alone. This is clear. Now, in the light of the situation with coronavirus, many families can also light a candle and remember their grandfathers who died at the front for the sake of the life of their descendants in the family circle - nothing prevents this. But .... no, there is some part of society that is ready to cheat on any event and event without disdaining to trample on the memory of their dead ancestors, but most likely those whose ancestors served the Nazis who would not miss the opportunity to throw a shit on a fan, like trying to steal our shit again . Be afraid - yours in this event is only that amount of shit that your body gives out in the morning. The state is not eliminating from honoring those who died with fireworks! This is not a show. This is a tribute to the memory of the STATE for those who defended this state, for which extras are not needed.

[Taoist]

For starters, do not confuse salute and fireworks.
Salute is made from artillery pieces and is actually a ritual giving of military honor.
The fact that it is usually combined with a firework (pyrotechnic show) for the most spectacular entertainment does not change the meaning of the salute. The ritual of the audience, in general, does not need it.

[Zementbomber]

Nevertheless, in the Army and Navy, salute guns and mortars have existed for many decades. And specialized salute artillery pieces ...

[Kunica]

How to cancel? !!! Money is already ... mastered.

[Laksamana besar]

Caution | In memory of Marshal of Victory!

Glorious George, your name!
Holy spears of your spearhead.
Spreading a choking stench
A reptile wriggles near the hooves.

In hailstones, the victorious trumpets blow
Only ... other snakes do not sleep,
A rod from everywhere, creeping in anger.
Again the danger - the bastards are tenacious.

https://aleksandr-andreev.ru/

[Pvi1206]

Salutes in cities are clearly visible from the windows, though not everyone ...

[iouris]

Who will explain what happens to the monument to Marshal G.K. Zhukov?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: iouris

Who will explain what happens to the monument to Marshal G.K. Zhukov?

What is there to explain? From the obvious, I understand that We changed the monument to a monument, only the new version is more consistent with historical reality in terms of the presence of the marshal's awards at the time of the parade and the horse under the marshal more convincingly reflects the natural movement, emphasizing the plasticity laid down by nature, than it looked on the previous horse moving on straight lines legs like stilts. From unobvious, that is, there are some graters in terms of coordinating work on dismantling and installing a new version. As always, the interdepartmental bureaucrats have rummaged this case because of "excessive workload", and now they have developed a vigorous activity in view of the fact that something flew past them. The old version is not destroyed, but moved to storage.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nyrobsky

the horse under the marshal more convincingly reflects the natural movement emphasizing the plasticity laid down by nature than it looked at the previous horse moving on straight legs like stilts

Did they restore it like that? Something the horse’s head does not fit the body, and it was welded on the snot.

But the most important evidence that the dismantling and replacement of the monument is by no means a planned restoration work is the following paragraph of the same letter:

“At the same time, we are informing you that a criminal case has been opened and is being investigated in the proceedings of the Office of the Organization of Inquiry on the fact of the dismantling of the monument to G.K.Zhukov in the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in Moscow” - the letter was endorsed by Georgy Sytenko, deputy director of the Department of State Protection of Cultural Heritage.

The next question: where is the "new" Zhukov? According to the source of “MK” - everything is in the same place, on the territory of a foundry in Khimki. The sawn monument was transferred to a remote part of the production, having previously removed the name of the author from it.

https://www.mk.ru/moscow/2020/04/28/po-demontazhu-pamyatnika-zhukovu-vozbudili-ugolovnoe-delo.html

[iouris]

Quote: Mordvin 3

the horse's head does not fit the torso

Do you remember how, on some dollars in the Russian Federation, the look of the US president seemed to some to be "too thoughtful."

[iouris]

Your explanation is some kind of materialistic, my question about the spiritual is about the meaning of what is happening. What's happening?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: iouris

What's happening?

Mess.

[iouris]

A mess is such a form of order ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: iouris

A mess is such a form of order ...

I myself don’t understand anything. In our Sberbank ATMs, the payment columns for mobile phone and Internet disappeared, some columns appeared under the name self-collection and charity. Today I went to pay, went around half the district to pay. Prime Minister Mishustin was struck by the covirus, self-isolated, and he probably transferred his sore to the Sberbank purchased by the government, nothing more comes to mind. I’m sitting angry like a dog and drinking a beer. Probably the virus is to blame for the situation with the monument.

[Antiliberast]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I myself don’t understand anything. In our Sberbank ATMs, the payment lines for mobile phone and Internet disappeared,

Technique in the hands of an Indian, a pile of iron? What the hell to go, if the Internet, phone, can I pay online? Or is it such a lame excuse to wallow around the city and show it how he put the device on all orders, requests to stay at home? And judging by the nickname, you don’t need to talk about the constitution and how it was not lawfully that you were deprived of freedom. I have a godfather Mordvin and friends, I’ve heard this more than a hundred times ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anti-librast

Technique in the hands of an Indian, a pile of iron? What the hell to go, if the Internet, phone, can I pay online?

You are already the second who is trying to explain to me how to push cash into an Internet smartphone. Can you show on the fingers? I don’t have money on the card.

[Antiliberast]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I don’t have money on the card.

I apologize. Although again it’s not entirely clear, but oh well, someone else’s dark pocket would understand

[Radical]

If an order has been received to hold a firework on May 9 in all large and relatively large cities of Russia, but the self-isolation regime is extended until at least May 11 inclusive, then who can, as they say, enjoy the fireworks firsthand?

Is this the most important question today? If we are talking about the technical part, then in the courtyards of Moscow, and certainly in other regions of the Russian Federation, they are "bullets", if not higher, then more often and longer - what did the author want to say, or on what to "sharpen" the question?

[Zementbomber]

fireworks from the time of the first victories (the liberation of cities) during the Great Patriotic War

From the Coronations of the All-Russian Emperors back at least in the XIX century. in fact...

[antiaircrafter]

Apparently, in the best case, it will be offered to look at the salutes on TV - "in the distance."

Yes, I always look like salutes. I do not like the crowd.

[Radical]

Quote: Radikal

If an order has been received to hold a firework on May 9 in all large and relatively large cities of Russia, but the self-isolation regime is extended until at least May 11 inclusive, then who can, as they say, enjoy the fireworks firsthand?

Is this the most important question today? If we are talking about the technical part, then in the courtyards of Moscow, and certainly in other regions of the Russian Federation, they are "bullets", if not higher, then more often and longer - what did the author want to say, or on what to "sharpen" the question?

Patrioputam - salute!

[Old26]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Now, in the light of the situation with coronavirus, many families can also light a candle and remember their grandfathers who died at the front for the sake of the life of their descendants - nothing prevents this from happening.

Which he did. Lighted a candle, remembered the departed

Quote: antiaircrafter

Apparently, in the best case, it will be offered to look at the salutes on TV - "in the distance."

Yes, I always look like salutes. I do not like the crowd.

If Moscow, then of course by box. If the local - or go up to my daughter on the 3rd floor, or on the roof .. Not the same age to go to the square, stand in the crowd for a couple of hours and then another half an hour to get home on foot ...
I don’t know whether we will have a salute this year. But it seems that they are going to conduct an aviation pard. True, even fewer viewers will see it. will have to look at the box

[Antiliberast]

All my life I thought that salutes were given in honor of the warriors who died in the Second World War, that this was a tribute to them, and not to the onlookers who opened their mouths to Schaub. And I am sure that if salutes cancel questions there will be no less such is our people