In Russia, the tender of the Russian Guard for the purchase of hand grenades RGN

Rosguard intends to purchase offensive anti-personnel fragmentation grenades. The tender for the procurement is available on the official website of the Unified Information System in the field of procurement (UIS).

According to the document, the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (Rosguard) placed a tender for the purchase of 57,5 thousand units "Product RGN, index 7G21", representing offensive anti-personnel fragmentation hand grenades of shock and remote action.

As explained, grenades are purchased under the state defense order, the cost of the planned supply of 166 706 569 rubles. Ammunition should be delivered by November 1, 2020 to one of the units of the Russian Guard, stationed in Balashikha (Moscow Region).

The publication of the terms of this tender was seriously alarmed by all kinds of Russian liberal media, which wondered why the Rosguard employees needed so many grenades. According to liberals, Rosgvardia’s employees are only involved in patrolling city streets and have never taken part in hostilities, so they have nothing to buy offensive grenades for.

Employees of the Russian Guard, created on April 5, 2016, did not participate in the hostilities, serving in the department. At the same time, according to data from open sources, the Russian Guard did not participate in any military international conflicts

- writes one of their publications.

All kinds of bloggers were excited, trying on this news earn as many likes as possible. Already appeared materials with headlines like: "Putin is preparing to fight his people, buying grenades for the Russian Guard."

No official comments on this tender have been received to date, and the Rosguard will not comment on the planned purchase of ammunition as part of a defense order. And there are still many places where hand grenades can and should be used, especially in the Caucasus, where fighters of the Russian Guard have repeatedly fought against all kinds of terrorists and militants of all stripes.

Recall that the RGN grenade (GRAU index - 7G21) is designed to defeat manpower in an offensive battle. The radius of damage by grenade fragments is 15 m, the radius of a possible damage is 35 m.

Comments

[Doccor18]

Interesting news.
Grenades to fighters of the Russian guard ...

[carstorm 11]

and what's interesting about that? when they carry out operations in the Caucasus, for example, do they need to throw stones at your place?)

[Hermit21]

Do not bother people with dashes ... Oh, that is, work

[evgenii67]

Quote: Hermit21

Do not bother people with dashes ... Oh, that is, work

Yes, let them buy, if necessary, but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand tons of grenades in one piece ??? "The supply of ammunition should be carried out by November 1, 2020 to one of the units of the Russian Guard stationed in Balashikha (Moscow region)."
maybe this part as a transshipment base will be scattered further away from it in other parts ?! They went completely crazy with these tenders, and when the time comes to buy Armat and Su-57, will you also work under the 44th law, placing it on a tender so that everyone can see?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: evgenii67

Yes, let them buy, if necessary, but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand grenades of one part ??? "The supply of ammunition should be carried out by November 1, 2020 to one of the units of the Russian Guard stationed in Balashikha (Moscow region)."

This is an interdepartmental concern of how to ensure delivery to individual parts and subdivisions, but not the concern of the manufacturer, to send out grenades in small batches throughout Russia.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Nyrobsky

This is an interdepartmental concern of how to ensure delivery to individual parts and subdivisions, but not the concern of the manufacturer, to send out grenades in small batches throughout Russia.

Moreover, for example, why should Japanese spies, our liberals, and especially curious forum users (apparently not be able to sleep) know the final recipient ....

[evgenii67]

Ltd!!! Send minus for the question!

Quote: Nyrobsky

This is an interdepartmental concern of how to ensure delivery to individual parts and subdivisions, but not the concern of the manufacturer, to send out grenades in small batches throughout Russia.

ok, this figured out why 57,5 thousand go in one piece. But Nakoy conduct a tender, probably even through public procurement under 44FZ, so that everyone can see, it’s interesting that the technical specifications indicate the mass (no more), radius of destruction (no more), size of fragments (no more), etc.
I mean, why not hold it closed so that only gunsmiths (manufacturers), power structures (buyers) know, and those who control (the prosecutor’s office or who is watching the security forces there), why is this all for all to see? The security officials want to voice their purchases, let them voice it.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: evgenii67

I mean, why not hold it closed so that only gunsmiths (manufacturers), power structures (buyers) know, and those who control (the prosecutor’s office or who is watching the security forces there), why is this all for all to see?

In principle, true.

[your1970]

Functions of the Russian Guard
"- Protection of government facilities and critical cargo;"

in the 90s there was a reserve of 10 grenades for each soldier engaged in this in a small arms - for example, this included nuclear power reactors...
I hope no one needs to explain to anyone - that reactors must be protected at ANY cost ???
So it's simple as possible refreshment stocks - not purchase at all more

[Rzzz]

Quote: Nyrobsky

to send out grenades in small batches and throughout Russia.

Through the post offices of Russia, but cho.
At least we find out what kind of cattle in the mail parcel with aliexpress kicked legs.

[Serg koma]

Quote: evgenii67

but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand pomegranates in one piece ???

But is it said that ALL grenades are sent to the combat unit?
For example -

Squad (integrated storage of missiles, ammunition, explosive materials, artillery ammunition,) Military Unit № 58661

[Doliva63]

Quote: Serg Koma

Quote: evgenii67

but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand pomegranates in one piece ???

But is it said that ALL grenades are sent to the combat unit?
For example -

Squad (integrated storage of missiles, ammunition, explosive materials, artillery ammunition,) Military Unit № 58661

In my opinion, 5-digit numbers refer only to the Ministry of Defense and the FSB, but not to Putin's "guards". Bad example.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Doliva63

Bad example.

An example is that the WAREHOUSE is a "military unit", in the Navy, in the FSB, in the VNG. And not

Quote: Doliva63

to Putin's "guards".

a "Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation"
So the remark is incorrect in essence.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Serg Koma

Quote: Doliva63

Bad example.

An example is that the WAREHOUSE is a "military unit", in the Navy, in the FSB, in the VNG. And not

Quote: Doliva63

to Putin's "guards".

a "Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation"
So the remark is incorrect in essence.

No, everything is correct. After all, with Putin's "guards" everything may not be the same as in the army, we do not know this.

[Hermit21]

Then, that military grenades are thrown at least once in preparation, used in real operations somewhere in the North Caucasus, replenish supplies. In fact, there is nothing surprising in such quantity. I am sure that this is far from the first such tender. It’s just that the labyrinth journalism needs to now suck the Insation out of the finger (well, if out of the finger) and form a certain informational background. Moreover, some are already trying

[Ded_Mazay]

Then, what is the place of performance of obligations by the supplier. Questions?

[missuris]

Well, yes, what's the problem?
let them post it to the tender so that everyone can see, but what's the point of secreting? even if by some miracle the uralvagonzavod makes 1000 valves no one scratches it, but you can’t hide 50000)

[Lopatov]

Quote: evgenii67

Yes, let them buy, if necessary, but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand tons of grenades in one piece ???

Because he buys one who has the right to do so. I don’t know who the Rosguard performs there.

Quote: evgenii67

They went completely crazy with these tenders, and when the time comes to buy Armat and Su-57, will you also work under the 44th law, placing it on a tender so that everyone can see?

Recently there was news, now it will be classified information

[Alexey RA]

Quote: evgenii67

Yes, let them buy, if necessary, but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand grenades of one part ??? "The supply of ammunition should be carried out by November 1, 2020 to one of the units of the Russian Guard stationed in Balashikha (Moscow region)."

Most likely because Balashikha is the Separate Order of Zhukov, Lenin and the October Revolution, the Red Banner operational division named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (ODON).

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: evgenii67

Yes, let them buy, if necessary, but I have a question, why 57,5 thousand grenades of one part ??? "The supply of ammunition should be carried out by November 1, 2020 to one of the units of the Russian Guard stationed in Balashikha (Moscow region)."

Most likely because Balashikha is the Separate Order of Zhukov, Lenin and the October Revolution, the Red Banner operational division named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (ODON).

Is she not OMSDON now? I don't see the word "motorized rifle" in the title. And in general, it's wild for a military man - a separate division. Well, the edge is a separate brigade.

[koramax81]

"And in general, it's wild for a military man - a separate division"
This division is directly subordinate to the CA of the Russian Guard, the remaining divisions are part of the districts. Therefore, it is separate

[Doliva63]

Quote: koramax81

"And in general, it's wild for a military man - a separate division"
This division is directly subordinate to the CA of the Russian Guard, the remaining divisions are part of the districts. Therefore, it is separate

It was necessary to call the All-Russian, since the district is not included

[Marconi41]

Quote: evgenii67

why 57,5 thousand pomegranates in one piece

General purchases are not conducted at all at once. It is just this part that deals with them, and only then distribution is carried out.

[loki565]

That's right, these grenades were designed for use in the highlands.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: loki565

That's right, these grenades were designed for use in the highlands.

Barricades are also mountains, only small .. And Balashikha is not at all the Caucasus ...

[Elephant]

Is some mechanism too big compared to the warhead !?

[Lopatov]

Quote: carstorm 11

need to throw stones

What kind of stones ???
They are children.
To persuade, only to persuade.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: carstorm 11

need to throw stones

What kind of stones ???
They are children.
To persuade, only to persuade.

Only this is not the VV / "guards" Putin should be engaged in, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs / FSB even before the grenades are needed.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

and the Ministry of Internal Affairs / FSB

Give them back to the Ministry of Internal Affairs as poor relatives?
What's the point?

[lopuhan2006]

Pieces of 100 may have been used, but here in the Moscow region thousands were needed ...... well, well.
When the authorities begin to fear, then first of all the RFPs are raised by the law enforcement agencies and the bam! In the Moscow region, there will definitely be an increase in salaries to employees) Do not immediately dismiss any information without thinking, but you should not believe everything either!

[Incvizitor]

Yes, unfortunately, they won’t use it against liberalism in any case, even rubber bullets do not really use it, the one that you can safely ride, banderlogs.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

... when they carry out operations in the Caucasus, for example, do they need to throw stones at you? ...
There is a non-lethal weapon for this. What, ultrasound-free emitters in the world emitters, the pride of our electronic industry, do not work on billboards?

[neri73-r]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

There is a non-lethal weapon for this. What, ultrasound-free emitters in the world emitters, the pride of our electronic industry, do not work on billboards?

You tell the Khatabs, Basaevs and other bearded barmals about this. And it’s better to fight with the weapon you offer.

[missuris]

you are likely to confuse the types of operations in those videos that I saw were shot from 40 mm grenade launchers with high-explosive ammunition

[Ingenegr]

A lot of divisions of the Russian Guard are involved in:
- ensuring the CTO regime in certain territories of the Russian Federation;
- RPM in areas of possible location of illegal armed groups;
- operations to detain and liquidate members of illegal armed groups;
- operations to detain members of organized crime groups and armed criminals;
- implementation of the safety and security measures in the territory of the SAR
and much, much more.
Dear, I am sure that in these cases the use of an Horn is not required?
In addition, the cost of educational practice in the training of personnel of units should also be compensated.
Based on this, the question should not sound like "why do they need grenades?", But "why only 57.5 thousand?"
I see, "brain navalism" strikes many minds that are incapable of independently analyzing information flows.

[bondrostov]

This is, so to speak, the answer to the people who, along with the wise politician of the darkest, live a blogging
PS They will not help them ...

[g1v2]

Are you scared, sick? And what if the next time you’re not 8 people, they will be carefully entered into the lock-up, but they will just throw a present? Stock up on diapers, wrestlers.

[Rzzz]

Quote: g1v2

and just throw a gift?

Something tells me that if it comes to this, then you will be one of those who will not feel well.
You still do not understand this, apparently, and thank God, if that remains.

[KCA]

VV is also the Russian Guard, can they walk with clappers, while guarding nuclear facilities? Not spelled by accident?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Doccor18

Interesting news.
Grenades to fighters of the Russian guard ...

Why don’t you finish? Continue about accelerating pensioners with grenades.

[NordUral]

Piramidon! And cars with shields and loopholes in it - is this also for mountains and defense of strategist mines?

[Piramidon]

Quote: NordUral

And cars with shields and loopholes in it - is this also for mountains and defense of strategist mines?

How one-sided you imagine everything. If an armored car, then it is exclusively against pensioners. Never heard of counterterrorism operations? They were mostly not held in the mountains. The internal troops existed for centuries, even during the reign of the tsar-father, and here, on the basis of the Russian Guard, created on their basis, the "liberal community" was sharply excited.

[NordUral]

Is this against the militants? Of course, not for crowding out the protesting, as I might think, liberal Stalinist.

[Piramidon]

Well, where is the dispersal of pensioners? Mass events have always been very attractive for all sorts of provocateurs - instigators of riots. And the special services were ALWAYS obliged to prevent them. Are you offering to let everything go by itself? Forgotten Manezhnaya Square? I can insert pictures too. Here they are "peaceful pensioners"

[NordUral]

They’re not afraid of Manezhnaya now, but of the People, Stepan. And not only pensioners. And at Manezhnaya, not all were provocateurs, but simply dissatisfied with the criminal activity of the authorities.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NordUral

They’re not afraid of Manezhnaya now, but of the People

These are your personal conclusions, not confirmed by anything.

And on Manezhnaya, not all were provocateurs

Did I say that there were only provocateurs there? To agitate the crowd, a few are enough.

[NordUral]

These are your personal conclusions, not confirmed by anything.

Like everything except the Laws of Nature.
Like yours. But this is my opinion and I expressed it.

[your1970]

Quote: NordUral

dissatisfied with the criminal activities of the authorities

- that’s why it was necessary to break old Zhigul-05 ????? its owner is an obvious "billionaire / oligarch / bureaucrat" ...

[NordUral]

sv1970! Don't you remember how Dimitrov set the Reichstag on fire? Since then, these methods have advanced enormously. And I have great suspicions, but not suspicions, but the certainty that this Zhigulyon was smashed by some "socially immature" hired by provocateurs from the authorities.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NordUral

sv1970! Don't you remember how Dimitrov set the Reichstag on fire? Since then, these methods have advanced enormously. And I have great suspicions, but not suspicions, but the certainty that this Zhigulyon was smashed by some "socially immature" hired by provocateurs from the authorities.

So you have confirmed that you cannot do without provocateurs at such gatherings, which means that the presence of security officials is necessary. And then you are drowning here for the fact that the National Guard is only in order to spread rot on pensioners. Have they "offended" you at least once, showered you with grenades or at least hit you with a club?

[NordUral]

Stepan! I did not say that they are only dispersing the protesters. It is necessary to disperse, but not the unreasonable young growth, but those leaders who are being brought out for their own purposes. In such cases, when liberals like Lesha Navalny do this, this is a sacred affair.
But they are also used to disperse against injustices, and indiscriminately against whom.
In general, it’s mean to use the security forces against the people.
I think that most of these guys are good and honest guys, but there are others who can raise their hand to the elderly.
I was not personally affected by their outrage, which has taken place more than once. And because I do not go to the rally) until I go), I believe that it is more correct to express my position in the elections. What will happen next, life will show.

[Incvizitor]

They are children, moreover obvious Stalinists, one might say saints, they should not be persecuted but to the government, but better to be presidents at once.

[NordUral]

You have a logic problem, Incvizitor.

[Incvizitor]

I’m joking here at all, typical corrupt liberals in the net mow down under anyone, just to sketch and in life that part of them that goes completely off-beat to go.

[NordUral]

Feel free to go to the nightingale, the very place for you.

[Rzzz]

If in 1991 the authorities used such special means, then the yates would be torn off precisely by the representatives of today's authorities.

[tagil]

No. This is for the inadequate, who arrange their unauthorized "festivities" in the squares and avenues, and they also carry all sorts of nonsense into the microphones and prevent other people from having a normal rest.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Doccor18

Interesting news.
Grenades to fighters of the Russian guard ...

damn, sick of it, well, at least read something on the topic, at least the functions and tasks of the Russian Guard

[alexmach]

The normal news is that there are footage in the network of neutralization by special forces of militants barricaded in a five-story building. A weight was knocked out of the roof by a window and a couple of grenades were thrown at it, different, including military ones.

[NordUral]

special forces

, alexmach! What does the Rosguard have to do with it. For her, such operations are a cover for the main purpose - the armed suppression of the people who rebelled against the criminal actions of the authorities.

[alexmach]

alexmach! What does Rosguard have to do with it

In terms of what? All the "Sobras" and other detachments of the militia special forces went there. As I understand now, everything is there. Not a single riot police but also all Sobri, Vokhry and a whole bunch of other internal troops.

For her, such operations are a cover for the main purpose - the armed suppression of the people who rebelled against the criminal actions of the authorities.

I’m not quite catching it. Are you kidding or serious.

[NordUral]

What a joke, seriously.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NordUral

, alexmach! What does the Rosguard have to do with it.

Because the WG is first of all an explosive, riot police and a special forces unit. And their tasks from changing the sign did not change.

Quote: NordUral

For her, such operations are a cover for the main purpose - the armed suppression of the people who rebelled against the criminal actions of the authorities.

So VV have been doing this all their lives - since the times of the USSR and even the Empire. But for some reason it started to burn when, instead of the signboard "Ministry of Internal Affairs", the sign "RG" appeared over the same units.

[svp67]

Quote: Doccor18

Interesting news.
Grenades to fighters of the Russian guard ...

Another thing is interesting, but why are arms supplied through a tender carried out, in our country, that there are many private producers of such grenades?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

Another thing is interesting, but why are arms supplied through a tender carried out, in our country, that there are many private producers of such grenades?

But because the federal laws.
At the time, a tender for the modernization of the "Perimeter" command missile was posted at State Purchases. And about the new modifications of the T-72B3, the first reliable information came from there.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexey RA

But because the federal laws.

Well, it says that there should be several suppliers and the one who offers the lowest price wins ... and what does it look like in this case?

Quote: Alexey RA

And about the new modifications of the T-72B3, the first reliable information came from there.

But here it is still possible to explain theoretically in this tender, apart from UVZ, any of the tank repair plants could enter, but the production of grenades?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svp67

But here it is still possible to explain theoretically in this tender, apart from UVZ, any of the tank repair plants could enter, but the production of grenades?

And who could enter the command rocket tender?
And UVZ has no competitors - only the manufacturer can carry out the modernization of the T-72B in B3. We have two tank factories, and both in UVZ.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexey RA

And UVZ has no competitors - only the manufacturer can carry out the modernization of the T-72B in B3. We have two tank factories, and both in UVZ.

Now times are of course different, but in Soviet times and the first years after the collapse of the USSR, we received T-55M and T62M tanks from the tank repair factories of Leningrad, Kiev and Ussuriysk, it was there that these tanks were upgraded to versions "M", "MV", " MK "and" MV-1 "

[zenion]

I was also interested. Were the German SA units armed with hand grenades, or only cannons, and mortars?

[Vasily Ponomarev]

cups began to be made with increased armor resistance

[Mountain shooter]

And what, the Russian Guard is not involved in putting things in order in places where grenades are needed and can be used? Do not catch terrorists? Grenades Offensive.

[Bshkaus]

And what, the Russian Guard is not involved in putting things in order in places where grenades are needed and can be used? Do not catch terrorists? Grenades Offensive

Isn't this the profile of "Alpha" and "Vympel" sharpened for these tasks?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bshkaus

Isn't this the profile of "Alpha" and "Vympel" sharpened for these tasks?

"Pennant", as far as I remember, is generally used only outside the country.
About "Alpha" - a sensible idea.
Do you propose to increase the number of "Alpha" to the size of the Russian Guard?

[Bshkaus]

Do you propose to increase the number of "Alpha" to the size of the Russian Guard?

No, I suggest that everyone should engage in their own narrow specialization, which is trained.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bshkaus

No, I suggest that everyone should engage in their own narrow specialization, which is trained.

Filling question: Have you ever seen a map of Russia in your life?
How much time do fighters in Moscow, Essentuki or the Crimea need to advance to release the hostages in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?

Right, too long.
This means that a wide network of Alfa branches in the regions is needed. Which will be no less than a third of Rosgvardia.

And you know what's the funniest thing?
You will be among the first to get hysterical about "they are going to fight the narot"

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

You will be among the first to get hysterical about "they are going to fight the narot"

When his family and himself are taken hostage by some "barmaley" he will be the first to shout - "Putin, save me, come the Russian Guard!"

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Bshkaus

No, I suggest that everyone should engage in their own narrow specialization, which is trained.

Filling question: Have you ever seen a map of Russia in your life?
How much time do fighters in Moscow, Essentuki or the Crimea need to advance to release the hostages in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?

Right, too long.
This means that a wide network of Alfa branches in the regions is needed. Which will be no less than a third of Rosgvardia.

And you know what's the funniest thing?
You will be among the first to get hysterical about "they are going to fight the narot"

Alpha is in every area where there is UFSB. Compare with the size of the Russian Guard?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

Alpha is in every area

No. Moscow, Essentuki. Crimea.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Doliva63

Alpha is in every area

No. Moscow, Essentuki. Crimea.

You are joking? My friend’s daughter’s husband is an Alfovets, major, senior opera. Jobburg. The former State Duma deputy, Barinov, a graduate of Novosib, was deputy prime minister of Alfa right there. Earlier my classmate resigned from this position, the surname does not play a role. When in the 91st they tried to hijack a plane from Borzya to China, officers of department A flew in from Chita - this was how their commander introduced himself, at least.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Bshkaus

Do you propose to increase the number of "Alpha" to the size of the Russian Guard?

No, I suggest that everyone should engage in their own narrow specialization, which is trained.

Before writing something like this, read the legislation of the Russian Federation governing the tasks of the ROSGVARDI, I hope to master, there are not many ....
Article 2 of the Federal Law of 03.07.2016 N 226-FZ (as amended on 18.03.2020) "On the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation"
including and participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_200506/b880dc2bdbb1dae26cc88e603c1f1c284c84b03c/

[NordUral]

and participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism

What a trifle after adoption of amendments to the law on police. Two fingers on the asphalt.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: NordUral

and participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism

What a trifle after adoption of amendments to the law on police. Two fingers on the asphalt.

Why was it necessary to create the ROSGVARDIA, then to amend the Law "On Police", I think you have a persecution mania .....

[NordUral]

No, I have well-developed logical thinking. And THESE, that above is a sensitive fifth point, Lara Croft.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NordUral

No, I have well-developed logical thinking.

Yep ...
While VV, OMON and SOBR were in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and drove people to Bolotnaya - everything is fine, everything is fine.
It was worth renaming the same explosives in the WG and adding the same OMON and SOBR to them, without changing anything in the OSH and tasks - everything is gone chef, bloody power is ready to crush popular performances!!!

Well, what's the difference between the explosives in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the same explosives under the guise of the WG?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexey RA

Well, what's the difference between the explosives in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the same explosives under the guise of the WG?

Quote: Alexey RA

While VV, OMON and SOBR were in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and drove people to Bolotnaya - everything is fine, everything is fine.

Having received the cradles at an unauthorized rally, they together shouted: Cops KOZLY !!! And they met with understanding among a certain part of the population. Let them shout the same thing now: Guard ....! And rake in addition

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bshkaus

No, I suggest that everyone should engage in their own narrow specialization, which is trained.

Do you know that those involved in the aforementioned OMON, SOBR, and the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of Internal Affairs were transferred to the Russian Guard? As well as parts and formations of explosives, which were widely used and are used in the North Caucasus in the fight against terrorism. In those parts, even mortar batteries are deployed when combing the terrain.

[NordUral]

VV, I think no one is being persecuted, except for convicts, the rest were imprisoned for terrorists, and not for the people. I generally do not want anyone to drive me. I do nothing criminal, unlike those in power and around it.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: NordUral

VV, I think they’re not chasing anyone except convicts,

VV for the prisoners for a quarter of a century have no relation since This is the kitchen of the Federal Penitentiary Service of the Ministry of Justice of Russia.

[NordUral]

Blame, did not know. And thank God!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NordUral

VV, I think they’re not chasing anyone except convicts

WHO in the UK "in large volumes" (such as combing, cordoning and other mass events) are engaged in the Vovans. Because to use the army, an emergency mode is needed (without which they have no right to detain even a bearded man with a weapon before he opens fire), and the faces have too little strength, so they work "pointwise and targeted."

[NordUral]

Thanks for the information!

[Izotovp]

Pennant is when they were in another department.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Izotovp

Pennant is when they were in another department.

The Germans are convinced otherwise

[NordUral]

Namesake! But still there are defensive.

[zenion]

Grenades for the Russian Guard are defensive. If the people surround him, he blows up a grenade in order not to be captured and inflict the most damage on the attackers.

[veritas]

Grenades for the Rosguard - this is an interesting turn. What is expected that after self-isolation the discontented population will go to demolish the power?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The overwhelming majority of those who are dissatisfied can only scribble dissatisfied comments, and they will never go anywhere, since the gut is thin and generally reluctant, let someone else, and then they make another angry comment about it.

[NordUral]

Like most defenders of thieves.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

And what did you do to counter this thieves' power?

[NordUral]

I vote against her, Flavius ​​Vespasianovich! And there will be an uprising, so I will be on the side of the rebellious people, no matter how I would like a peaceful transition of power to the people. Let's see, maybe everything will happen peacefully.
I would not take away the stolen goods, but would release all the thieves' trash and their attendants to the West so dear to them.
Then, I hope, there will be no blood. And they don’t want to, it’s their choice.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I would not take away the stolen goods, but would release all the thieves' trash and their attendants to the West so dear to them.

I definitely agree with this thesis. I am also for the nationalization of all the major mining and processing enterprises.
But about the uprising ... Where is the guarantee that all kinds of fishing enthusiasts in troubled waters will not be in power again? Indeed, this is constantly happening.

[NordUral]

So again twenty five! I affirm that everyone needs to vote, and you are talking about uprisings, Flavius ​​Vespasianovich!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

But there will be an uprising, so I will be on the side of the rebellious people,

Your quote.
I always go to the polls.

[NordUral]

Your quote.
I always go to the polls.

This is not a quote, but your invention.
I go to the polls for only a few years, before that I ignored them as a protest.
I realized that I was wrong. And now I will not miss a single one.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: NordUral

But there will be a rebellion, so I will be on the side of the rebellious people

You wrote this in your comment.
And "I always go to the polls" is my reply.

[NordUral]

So I am not calling for an uprising, but talking about which side I will be on.
And I go to the polls - I won’t even guess who you are voting for.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The system is imperfect. But this is better than none at all. All satisfied perfection is unattainable, and there will always be dissatisfied.

[NordUral]

The system is imperfect. But this is better than none at all.

So with these nothing will be, not long remains.
And the worse is another, imperfect, for example, socialism?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The idea is wonderful, but theory is always the opposite of practice. Everyone has different needs, and different understanding of the possibilities of their satisfaction.

[NordUral]

Everything is relative. And we have something to compare and understand what is best for the people and the country, and not 1% of geeks from the people.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: veritas

discontented population

And again "fresh" with a smell.

[Bshkaus]

Grenades for the Rosguard - this is an interesting turn. What is expected that after self-isolation the discontented population will go to demolish the power?

I am very sorry for the large number of minuses under your comment. This is called "cognitive dissonance": For a month of self-isolation and general "dynamo" starting with taxes on bank accounts from 1 ml. rub. until the lack of financial support from the population and the refusal to return air tickets for up to 2 years, people begin to suspect something. This is already expressed in the angry comments under yesterday's article about the speech of "Samy", but when it comes to the army and weapons, people continue to exuberantly defend these structures in a fit of patriotism from old memory.
I advise you to be patient: another month or two of such jokes with support during self-isolation, or a year or two of such oil prices and the minusators will close the relationship between the "armed national guard" and "street riots" (((

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bshkaus

but when it comes to the army and armaments, the people continue, according to old memory, to violently defend these structures in a fit of patriotism.
I advise you to be patient: another month or two of such jokes with support during self-isolation, or a year or two of such oil prices and the minusators will close the relationship between the "armed national guard" and "street riots" (((

And everything fell into place ...
Propagandist...

[Incvizitor]

Fortunately, there are enough units of venomous sick thugs for them.

[alekseykabanets]

Interestingly, will the police buy the same grenades?

[bondrostov]

Ty .. they will buy flamethrowers

[Lara Croft]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Interestingly, will the police buy the same grenades?

What for? Read at your leisure article 2 of the Federal Law "On the Police" of 07.02.2011/3/XNUMX N XNUMX-FZ (latest edition) and discuss them (grenades) necessity with other liberals ...
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_110165/97380e31f79bdb68b09cfa3f9a7b33beab6bfac5/

[bondrostov]

And you girl do not comb all liberals. They are afraid of the people here and arm.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bondrostov

do not comb all liberals.

There are none, only former Komsomol members who later became liberals, among our liberals (as well as oligarchs) the vast majority of Komsomol members .... however, this is not only with us, the same former Komsomol members in Ukraine banned the Communist Party of Ukraine, and its former leader does not pull on Luis Corvalan ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lara Croft

There are none, only former Komsomol members who later became liberals, among our liberals (as well as oligarchs) the vast majority of Komsomol members .... however, this is not only with us, the same former Komsomol members in Ukraine banned the Communist Party of Ukraine, and its former leader does not pull on Luis Corvalan ...

We all who were born, studied under the USSR were first October, then pioneers, then Komsomol members. You do not need to equal everyone under one comb. As for the liberals, as you deigned to put it, here: https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4 (the first link in Google at the request of Putin is liberal), our authorities are already carrying out liberal transformations more than thirty years.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

We all who were born, studied under the USSR were first October, then pioneers, then Komsomol members.

The habit of the Communists to answer for the whole people, especially about then Komsomol members

The peak number of Komsomol ranks fell in 1984 - 42 million. In the late 80s, the outflow from the Union began in the country: 1989 - 35,5 million people, 1991 - 26 million

https://tass.ru/arhiv/712002
Accordingly, in the period from 1984 to 1991, almost half of its members left the Komsomol ....

The XXPth Extraordinary Congress of the Komsomol, held in September 1991, announced the cessation of the organization, its successor in October was the Russian Youth Union.

That is, until the collapse of the USSR. And even earlier, your former members of the same party with laughter and hooting excluded from the Constitution of the USSR the dominant role of the CPSU .....

There is nothing for me to talk to you about .... Your "noodle" is no longer perceived by anyone ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lara Croft

There is nothing for me to talk to you about .... Your "noodle" is no longer perceived by anyone ...

Dear Lara Croft, I bring to your attention that in the second grade of elementary school, all students were admitted in October, I can be mistaken (it was a long time ago), in the fourth grade, everyone except for the notorious two students (they were accepted later) was accepted into the pioneers, and in the eighth grade (some in the ninth or vocational school, or technical school) ALL (from the word at all) were accepted into the Komsomol. This was the case, at least until 1985 (if you don't believe it, ask your parents). Moreover, being a member of the Komsomol, I do not see anything wrong with that. If you think that I or ordinary Komsomol members like me held the "XXP-th Extraordinary Congress of the Komsomol ... ... and with laughter and hooting excluded the leading role of the CPSU from the Constitution of the USSR ...", then you are wrong.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

and in the eighth grade (some in the ninth or vocational school, or technical school) ALL (from the word at all) were admitted to the Komsomol. So it was, at least until 1985 (do not believe it - ask your parents).

You want to say that the population of the USSR in 1984 (the peak of the Komsomol) was - 42 million?
I myself was not born in the 90s, he said

Your "noodle" is no longer perceived by anyone ...

Already in the 86th, bull calves extinguished the representative of KID, and in the 88th, practically no one had ties around his neck at school ...
Not everyone was accepted into the Komsomol, as you say in a row, but after the recommendation of members of the Komsomol cell for them ....

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lara Croft

Already in the 86th, bull calves extinguished the representative of KID, and in the 88th, practically no one had ties around his neck at school ...
Not everyone was accepted into the Komsomol, as you say in a row, but after the recommendation of members of the Komsomol cell for them ....

What is a KID? Ties were "forgotten at home" probably since the 82nd, and they were not accepted into the Komsomol, probably only with unsatisfactory behavior, the Komsomol cell, the school one, was just an empty formality. And what, I am ashamed to ask, do you have against the Komsomol? It is strange that you have nothing against the pioneers and the Octobrists, or am I mistaken? He, like the CPSU, was exactly the same "formal" organization, only it did not decide anything (in the broad sense of the word).

[Lara Croft]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What is KID?

Eeeee ... daresko said .... even the main pioneer leader of the school was afraid of him, because it was not only public, but also to some extent a political burden ....
KID is an international friendship club, it strongly recommended everyone to collect money, toys and drawings for poor African children, etc., such a senior student was in every school, usually with glasses and an ideological gaze ...

Is it strange that you have nothing against the Pioneers and the Octobrists, or am I mistaken?

True, the last tie removed ...

It, like the CPSU, was exactly the same "formal" organization, only it did not decide anything (in the broad sense of the word).

But the nomenclature was not visible there, except for the aforementioned comrades .... and also the ideology was not so strongly imposed .... more freedom of creativity .... and the pioneer heroes in the Second World War died for the Soviet people, and not for the Soviet ideology. ..
And then, I had nothing against playing Zarnitsa, collecting waste paper and scrap metal, the availability of circles and sections ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lara Croft

KID - International Friendship Club

We didn’t have this either in school or in a technical school (I didn’t think you should be blamed for lies, apparently there was a local specificity everywhere). And I already thought that you had some kind of zoological hatred of everything Soviet, glad that I was mistaken.

[NordUral]

So this is such a technique - to enroll everyone in the liberals and at the same time to consider that all these "liberals", the people, that is, stand up for the thieves in power.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

So this is a technique - to enroll everyone in the liberals and at the same time assume that all these "liberals", the people

One of the main features of the "liberals" is the constant attempts to pass off their own opinion as the general opinion of a certain "people"

[NordUral]

I just wrote that I express only my opinion. And looking for consonants with him, as allies, Shovela.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

I just wrote that I express only my opinion.

Are you sure that I can’t read?

[NordUral]

Not sure, but I won’t deny it. I will say again that I am writing about my understanding of the situation. And I clearly understand that not everyone agrees with me. And that not everyone needs to wake up.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Spade

One of the main features of the "liberals" is the constant attempts to pass off their own opinion as the general opinion of a certain "people"

Do not distort. Everyone is a part of the people.

[Lopatov]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do not distort. Everyone is a part of the people.

I agree. Moreover, Putin's fans are also part of the people.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Spade

I agree. Moreover, Putin's fans are also part of the people.

Yes, one cannot disagree with this. The bad thing is that there is a stratification of society, and the authorities pretend that they do not notice it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The bad thing is that the stratification of society

What is bad here?
Everyone should have the right to their opinion.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Spade

What is bad here?
Everyone should have the right to their opinion.

I'm afraid it will soon reach ugly extremes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bondrostov

And you girl do not comb all liberals. They are afraid of the people here and arm.

And how should the people of Soviet power have been afraid - since it armed the NKVD / MVD VV with tanks and artillery ...

[Romul_78]

There is such a chance that millions of hungry people will start to go out, and there they will be waiting for guys with grenades

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Romul_78

There is such a possibility

The case when the folly is a mitigating circumstance.

[Romul_78]

Still have what? Well it will pass

[NordUral]

Is it so unbelievable, Paranoid50?

[Incvizitor]

It is an explanation but not an excuse.

[saigon]

But these guys obviously will not be given these grenades, for one simple reason they can throw unprepared ones.
No, I understand they teach and all that, but grenades are often thrown not cocked in the park.
Well, and besides, well, not the beast in power, who will give the order with grenades to people?
So they definitely won’t apply against crowds of people, a dense construction can be a boom.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: saigon

But these guys obviously will not be given these grenades, for one simple reason they can throw unprepared ones.
No, I understand they teach and all that, but grenades are often thrown not cocked in the park.
Well, and besides, well, not the beast in power, who will give the order with grenades to people?
So they definitely won’t apply against crowds of people, a dense construction can be a boom.

Under Nicholas 2 (bloody), now canonized, they shot ...

[saigon]

Well, there used to be a lot of things, but now forgive other times and customs.
In order to give such an order it is necessary to have the will and to know for sure that it will be executed, but there can be problems with the execution of people now they can not think dark.
And in the guard of this conscripts and the big question is whether they will throw grenades at people.

[_Ugene_]

not expensive, 2900rub. apiece, I would buy a box at that price, for every fireman

[Bshkaus]

not expensive, 2900rub. apiece, I would buy a box at that price, for every fireman

Why spend money? The practice of Donbass has shown that in the event of a civil conflict, the entire nomenclature used by government armed forces to suppress civilian initiative very quickly passes into the hands of militias))).
You still have nowhere to park tanks)))

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bshkaus

The practice of Donbass has shown that in the event of a civil conflict, the entire nomenclature used by government armed forces to suppress civilian initiative very quickly passes into the hands of militias))).

And what did the practice of Nalchik show?
Damn, your audience and enemies do not need ...

[NordUral]

Damn, your audience and enemies do not need ...

I agree that there is no need for enemies with this power, everything is already at home.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

I agree that there is no need for enemies with this power, everything is already at home.

So change it, what problems?
Elections are held regularly.

[NordUral]

Change Lopatov, do not doubt. The people will wake up and change.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

Change, Shovels, do not hesitate. The people will wake up and change.

Well, as usual .... "the narot is wrong"

[NordUral]

Do not distort Lopatov. Ilya Muromets also slept, and then woke up and ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

Ilya Muromets also slept, and then woke up

For this "pedestrian kaliki" were needed. People are correct and respected. Able to express their thoughts.
You have none.

[NordUral]

For "this" the situation was needed.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

For "this" the situation was needed.

So the "situation" is your goal?
So you are interested in making the people live as bad as possible?

[NordUral]

Shovels, and yet you are a provocateur.
This is the goal of existing power.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

This is the goal of existing power.

"The purpose of the existing government" is to make it so that it will be replaced by those for which you drown?

[NordUral]

In our history, there are no examples of people in power, for whom power is not trough, but only a way to make the country better.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

for whom power is not trough, but only a way to make the country better.

There are no such people since the death of Stalin.

[NordUral]

There are, Lopatov, but not enough, alas! But there is.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

Yes, Lopatov

Is that what they say?
And you suggest me to believe in it?

[NordUral]

I don’t have to offer you anything; it’s empty. The most ridiculous or sad thing, how to look at everything that is happening, is that in the second half of the 80s I was an ardent supporter of the murder of socialism, in the 90s I believed that we would take the right path. But 20 years of the 21st century turned me into a supporter of socialism.
People are sinful and weak. But for this, the state also exists. To curb the presumptuous, support the weak. And the most important thing is to support the economy and defense. And for this, education, science, medicine, etc. Then not very honest people will work for the good of the country, but not for its destruction.

[Mabius]

Quote: NordUral

I don’t have to offer you anything; it’s empty. The most ridiculous or sad thing, how to look at everything that is happening, is that in the second half of the 80s I was an ardent supporter of the murder of socialism, in the 90s I believed that we would take the right path. But 20 years of the 21st century turned me into a supporter of socialism.
People are sinful and weak. But for this, the state also exists.

You have come a long way (fire and copper pipes) before your eyes opened .. As they say it’s better late than never .. By the way, such very hard and unyielding statesmen become .. They know all this kitchen and have something to compare .. Well, God forbid so you don’t change your mind ..

[NordUral]

I will not change, the old is already changing. Only I am not a statesman, but a simple peasant and I know my place.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

in the second half of the 80s I was an ardent supporter of the murder of socialism, in the 90s I believed that we would take the right path

Yoshkin cat ....
So it was me who, like you, in Chechnya, lost friends and health?
And now, mother-brood, are you drawn to feats again?
Didn't the krovushki get drunk?

[NordUral]

This is to Yeltsin and comrades. I am a simple mechanic, my business with glands is to mess around, which I continue to do in retirement, for the soul. And stop juggling, Lopatov, you don't seem to be a thimble.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

This is to Yeltsin and comrades.

Well, naturally.
The whole country was against when the Yeltsin destroyed the USSR ...

Quote: NordUral

And stop juggling

At first, your audience was dripping on their brains about "50 varieties of sausage are much better" And in the end no one stupidly stood up for the USSR.
And we had to eliminate the consequences.

Now your audience has a new quirk. Again "anti-people power, we want socialism back." Well, now destroy Russia, again rivers of blood. young boys will die again ...

And then your brethren will scratch the back of their heads, circle the "Muscovy" with eagle eyes on the territory of the present Moscow Region. and decides that “now we will fight for capitalism, for 50 varieties of sausage and against totalitarian power.

[NordUral]

About the sausage. Shovels, this is not for me, I’m not picky and didn’t drip on anyone’s brains. I wanted to change, because only for my deputy’s term I had seen enough of that power that was just in time for the arrival of the labeled one.
I have already said that you like the thieves and destroyers of the country, your business.
And lastly, they will lead the country to "Muscovy", which they have been doing for over 30 years.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

About the sausage.

I'm not talking about sausages, I'm talking about people like you.
Who have persistent "oppositional itching"

Quote: NordUral

And lastly, they will lead the country to "Muscovy", which they have been doing for over 30 years.

But lying is not worth it. Not me anyway.

[NordUral]

About lying, but you yourself are not funny? Or are you hiding in a crystal casket?
And I do not suffer from various itching, but just see what they are doing with the country and the people.

And probably enough for us to talk, take a break. I have an interesting business. I draw a plywood ribbon machine for myself at the cottage. I want to make it quiet. And then the neighbors are nervous and they exhausted all the nerves from the profile pipes. Very sensitive and excellent hearing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NordUral

About lying, but you yourself are not funny?

I’m not funny, because I myself participated in this. And in my own skin I felt what it was like to maintain territorial integrity.

[NordUral]

I respect, I say sincerely. Fate has protected me from this.

[Mabius]

Quote: NordUral

There are, Lopatov, but not enough, alas! But there is.

There is, otherwise Russia would not have existed for a long time .. There are fewer and fewer of them, they are dying and persecuting .. And yet the country is holding onto them!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: _Ugene_

not expensive, 2900rub. apiece, I would buy a box at that price, for every fireman

I think that for you to become a lumberjack or a feller of a forest, one is enough ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Lara Croft

I think that you become a lumberjack or a feller of a forest

Rather tailoring. Sewing tops

In general, from my own experience, a specific grenade. Maybe they’ve fixed it now, but it used to be very dangerous.

[NordUral]

I already wrote once about such a desire, so the defenders of thieves in power tried to peck me, spraying loyal follower with saliva.

[sledak]

I do not understand these tenders, we have that many factories produce these grenades?
This is the development of the most prestigious NPO Bazalt JSC, the leading organization in the Russian Federation to create all types of unguided bombs, mortar rounds with mines for various purposes of all types and calibers, anti-tank and anti-sabotage grenade launchers, hand-held offensive and defensive grenades, and non-lethal ammunition.

Surely it is produced at factories belonging to the same group, which means there is no sense in the tender at all, pure water is formalism for the sake of observing the letter of the law.

But now everyone will discuss, in which the VNG grenade throw gathered

[hagen]

Quote: sledak

I do not understand these tenders, we have that many factories produce these grenades?

Check out FZ-44, everything will become clear ... And the letter of the law must be respected in any case.

[Digital error]

Quote: sledak

pure water formalism

In today's reality, yes. Initially, the idea was good - to ensure control over procurement transparency. It seems to me that the legs grow from the times of the "open government" of Medvedev-Abyzov.

[Alex 2020]

In catching up with the article ..... I will reveal the terrible secret of the Gendarmerie (it’s also the Russian Guard, it’s the National Guard). They still buy ammunition and weapons systematically!
But seriously, they took a lot of places (when they were explosives) and take part in the CTO in the Caucasus.

[novel66]

want to say, and their weapons are military ?? what for???

[Alex 2020]

And this is how you, your fantasy will draw.

[novel66]

better not, my imagination is unlimited

[alone]

Quote: Alexey 2020

But seriously, they took a lot of places (when they were explosives) and take part in the CTO in the Caucasus.

Actually, in 2017, the head of the FSB Bortikov officially declared that terrorism was stopped in the North Caucasus, the bandit underground was liquidated ..

[tagil]

Actually, in 2017, the head of the FSB Bortikov officially declared that terrorism was stopped in the North Caucasus, the bandit underground was liquidated ..

And do not say in what year they officially caught (he left the forest Voluntarily) the last Bandera in Ukraine. But according to the official version, Bandera was also finished very quickly.

[Terenin]

Quote: Tagil

Actually, in 2017, the head of the FSB Bortikov officially declared that terrorism was stopped in the North Caucasus, the bandit underground was liquidated ..

And do not say in what year they officially caught (he left the forest Voluntarily) the last Bandera in Ukraine. But according to the official version, Bandera was also finished very quickly.

That's right, Sergey .

[tagil]

I don’t understand this hype about grenades. Such an amount is a minuscule that can only be used for combat training of L / C on grenade throwing at the firing range. This is not enough even for the standard armament of half of the Guard.

[alone]

Quote: Tagil

But according to the official version, Bandera was also finished very quickly.

This is a statement by the head of the FSB Bortnikov, not mine .. So I think there should not be any complaints against me

[tagil]

What are the claims of a colleague. But there’s no war there anymore, but

individual groups can be mothballed and activated as needed. The head of the department always talks about the big picture. particular and individual cases this does not cancel

as Dmitry said below.

[carstorm 11]

this does not negate the fact that individual groups can be mothballed and activated as needed. The head of the department always talks about the big picture. particular and individual cases this does not cancel. again, members of these formations can move between regions and emerge where they can. so the fact of combat readiness has not been canceled.

[alone]

Quote: carstorm 11

again, members of these formations can move between regions and emerge where they can. so the fact of combat readiness has not been canceled.

Did I really say that after Bortnikov’s words one should sleep? I just reminded the interlocutor of Bortnikov’s statement made in 2017 ... Officially, the WHO in the North Caucasus has completed .. this is a fact ..
And the fact that there are unfinished or stuck there, it may well be possible

[Terenin]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Alexey 2020

But seriously, they took a lot of places (when they were explosives) and take part in the CTO in the Caucasus.

Actually, in 2017, the head of the FSB Bortikov officially declared that terrorism was stopped in the North Caucasus, the bandit underground was liquidated ..

All right, BortNikov said that it (the bandit underground) was virtually completely liquidated, like a structured bandit organization engaged in activities directed against the existing government.
In particular, the debugged channels of internal and external financing of terrorists, other types of supplies and weapons are blocked .... well, etc.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lonely

Actually, in 2017, the head of the FSB Bortikov officially declared that terrorism was stopped in the North Caucasus, the bandit underground was liquidated ..

But even two years after this statement, the FSB and the BB / WG continued to fight in the UK.

[Altona]

Quote: Alexey 2020

But seriously, they took a lot of places (when they were explosives) and take part in the CTO in the Caucasus.

------------------------
WHO is against several (no more than a dozen) terrorists or against irregular groups of tens or hundreds of people with exhausting battles with attacks and counterattacks for XNUMX hours? No, well, if necessary, then let them buy, in the well-known GTA game, you can also arm yourself with a full Apache tank and helicopter, and chase all of San Andreas for buoys in the ocean.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Altona

WHO is against several (no more than a dozen) terrorists or against irregular groups of tens or hundreds of people with exhausting battles with attacks and counterattacks for XNUMX hours?

This is against small groups of 5-20 people, but with assaults on buildings and caches in mountainous and wooded areas. In such conditions, grenades are a necessary thing.

Quote: Altona

No, well, if necessary, then let them buy, in the well-known GTA game, you can also arm yourself with a full Apache tank and helicopter, and chase all of San Andreas for buoys in the ocean.

How long ago it was ... Now online everyone is being relegated and whipped by the owners of the diabolical invention of the stone-stars - the Oppressor MK II. Without your "pipe with a steering wheel" now even from home to a nightclub cannot be reached - other owners will beat them purely out of interest.

[Altona]

Quote: Alexey RA

This is against small groups of 5-20 people, but with assaults on buildings and caches in mountainous and wooded areas. In such conditions, grenades are a necessary thing.

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The question is, what exactly now? Exactly at the moment the purchase of pomegranates is urgently needed? Yesterday early, tomorrow late?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Altona

The question is, what exactly now? Exactly at the moment the purchase of pomegranates is urgently needed? Yesterday early, tomorrow late?

The question must be posed differently: why did the Rosgvardia’s planned purchase of pomegranates in the framework of the state defense order attracted such attention?

[Graz]

If you plan to apply in the Caucasus, then why are they going to be stored in the suburbs?
questions still remain

[novel66]

steal in the Caucasus ... definitely

[Graz]

for me it looks more like a budget cut and theft

[novel66]

Well, right away ... then, of course, they will bite off who needs it, but as without grenades

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: Graz

for me it looks more like a budget cut and theft

For a grenade - about 3000 rubles - cut the budget ????? In the states, a similar grenade is about $ 100 a piece. That's where the cut. :)

[Digital error]

Quote: Graz

why are they going to be stored in the suburbs?

This is not stated in the article. Moscow region - the delivery address, and there they will distribute.

[carstorm 11]

business trip rotation. What surprises you so much? combat ready units should be everywhere. or do you want to bring them weapons if something suddenly? training also stop using live ammunition and weapons?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Graz

If you plan to apply in the Caucasus, then why are they going to be stored in the suburbs?
questions still remain

So Balashikha is ODON, now the only BB / WG division.

[Karaul73]

Quote: carstorm 11

and what's interesting about that? when they carry out operations in the Caucasus, for example, do they need to throw stones at your place?)

Why tease geese? Would transfer from the balance of the MO to the balance of the guard. And that’s all. A new grenades would buy MO. And there is no hype and rumors. But, as always, nobody wants to think.

[Graz]

heh maybe they will do it according to your scheme, but they will conduct it as a purchase, do you think the state budget saw cutters are completely gone

[Servisinzhener]

But, as always, nobody wants to think. This primarily concerns those who scribble these rumors on the Internet.

[novel66]

why complex schemes ?? normal work

[Digital error]

Quote: Sentry73

Would transfer from the balance of the MO to the balance of the guard.

To do this, the conventional Zolotov would have to "beat his forehead" in front of Shoigu. And this is not for you to call Navalny on the tatami

[Alexey RA]

Quote: DigitalError

For this, the conditional Zolotov would have to "beat his forehead" in front of Shoigu.

Not only. There would immediately be a problem with the transferred property. For in such schemes another's uncle usually transmitted on a principle on you god that we are worthless.

How is that gain transmission - one of the Vovans recalled that in the First Chechen Army they were reinforced with three army infantry fighting vehicles, of which only two were on the move and only one had at least some trained crew.

[Hypatius]

People come up with a state to protect themselves from enemies. Our state invents enemies to defend itself against the people.
But the liberals settled in power, the author again beguiled everything. Beggar people are not liberals.

According to liberals, Rosgvardia’s employees are only involved in patrolling city streets and have never taken part in hostilities, therefore, to buy offensive grenades

Yes, it would be different training and motivation. Gendarmes are useless if there is an army and police with different tasks.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I wonder what kind of danger do you personally pose for the state? Cross the road in the wrong place?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

I wonder what kind of danger do you personally pose for the state? Cross the road in the wrong place?

No, he’s basically unemployed ...

[taiga2018]

Quote: Hypatius

Beggar people are not liberals.

What a beautiful play on words "poor people", apparently you have not seen poverty, eh, dunk your face in real poverty, and because of you and a couple of such alarmists and whiners, I feel sorry for the whole country ...

[Hypatius]

Oh, dunk you face in real poverty,

or

What personal danger do you pose for the state?

Where are you, such "smart" kremlebots recruited? If only, they strained the brain a little, so that on the topic what to say. Well this is the lowest troll trick - the transition to personality! It is clear that the plan for the shaft of comments, figly think - you need to jump , and also +/- to arrange. But here it is, not RusVesna, the level is higher, and your "congenial" emissions, like a thorn, are visible. No respect.

[carstorm 11]

calm down already. ) You don’t understand what you are carrying?)

[Hypatius]

carstorm 11
calm down already. ) You don’t understand what you are carrying?)

Cho wanted to say something? Just earn a pretty penny, but support the brigade. They arranged it themselves, here from an interesting chat some kind of senseless srach was off topic.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hypatius

They did it themselves, here from an interesting chat

Yes ...

[Hypatius]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Hypatius

They did it themselves, here from an interesting chat

Yes ...

Well, you justify your position. There is reason to think, and I don’t remember the stupid transitions to personality. Why is it so modest now? Sincerely.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

At least a little brain strain, so that on the topic of what to say.

What topic? Why Rosgvardia grenades? But you have already determined this, and whoever disagrees with you is on salary.
Are you not a beggar? Or not the people? Will you do a revolution? Do you know anyone personally who is ready right now to fight the Rosguard, armed, among other things, with these very grenades?

[Altona]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Are you not a beggar? Or not the people? Will you do a revolution? Do you know anyone personally who is ready right now to fight the Rosguard, armed, among other things, with these very grenades?

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Judging by the powerful media wave, the "revolution" will be made at the top, with a coup d'etat. There is a very powerful push from the liberal media - good videos, insinuating voices, social rhetoric, de facto we are already in the post-Putin era. Some kind of "revenge" is being prepared at the top, the food supply has disappeared and now, let's say, "undernourished" will overthrow the "overfed". Here I am even conditionally rather on the side of the GDP, because the upcoming 2020s may be more abruptly than the 1990s. In the sense that "cutting the onion" at the top will not change the system, but defragment it completely. Our kingdom is in danger of falling apart into feuds and Hanseatic cities, so to speak.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Hypatius

Where are you, such "smart" kremlebots recruited? If only, they strained the brain a little, so that on the topic what to say. Well this is the lowest troll trick - the transition to personality!

Well, why is a ceremony with a fool like you, a ceremony with such people in Ukraine, and now what ... Yes, and it’s a pity to spend one of the grenades on you, you’ll soon burst from your shit ...

[Altona]

Quote: taiga2018

and because of you and a couple of such alarmists and whiners, it’s a pity the whole country ...

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What plan is it a pity? Sorry to share, to sell yourself? Already have nothing to sell, yet to share with the poor?

[NordUral]

Gendarmes are useless if there is an army and police with different tasks.

And it seems to them that they realized that October helped organize the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.
They do not trust the military. I repeat - to the military, and not to the different rescuers there.

[Altona]

Quote: NordUral

And it seems to them that they realized that October helped organize the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.
They do not trust the military. I repeat - to the military, and not to the different rescuers there.

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Today everyone sat down to re-read Lenin's legacy in order to spread straws, power and people in the sense. The year 1917 is notable for the fact that there was a huge mass of heavily armed people. Today this is not the case, a huge mass of "people with a gun", but today the war is digital.
PS Why is it always like this with us, someone will seize power, cling to it with teeth and claws and let's "reign" - steal, luxurious and feast? And then they whine "the limit on the revolution has been exhausted." Elected officials become kings and boyars. They cannot organize a normal rotation of power. They consider power to be a resource for enrichment, and not an instrument of serving the people.

[NordUral]

Yes, Eugene! The nightingale in his vip-houses, every second cannot live without socialism. But only the authorities lick "our" with all their zeal. And there are so many supporters of socialism and fighters for the happiness of the people on YouTube that your head is spinning.
However, in order to unite and sweep away evil spirits from power in a united front, there is only one chatter.

[Altona]

Quote: NordUral

And on YouTube there are so many supporters of socialism and fighters for the happiness of the people that the head is spinning.

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And they are all there for the money. Unwind your little channel for subscribers and cut money quite yourself. Petya Batalov recently uncovered and uncovered the rest, they just cut money on the opposition there. But I really honestly heard from one blogger that he cuts money on Youtube, 30-70 thousand rubles a month (advertising, merchandising (youtube logo on a T-shirt)), and he’s not the most popular there, this is writer Andrei Semenov (Lochpozhizni-channel )

[taiga2018]

A lot of "surprising" happens, for example, farmers buy fertilizers (why would it be), they buy a broom for the janitors (it's very strange what they are for), skiers (it's not at all clear what they will do with them, it's suspicious), and etc ...

[Altona]

Quote: taiga2018

A lot of "surprising" things happen, for example, farmers buy fertilizers (why would it be),

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Here you are at a point straight. In the gist. Rosguards buy pomegranates, and doctors can’t buy penny masks and gloves during the coronovirus pandemic. Apparently grenades are more needed today than PPE and medicines.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: taiga2018

A lot of "surprising" things happen, for example, farmers buy fertilizers (why would it be)

Ammonite to numb, not otherwise. Or another well-known saltpeter mixture.

Quote: taiga2018

a broom is being bought for janitors (it’s very strange why they need it)

To disperse the demonstrations is to help riot police.

[Hypatius]

Kisevschina article and splatters The people are stupid, just to give facts to them, you need to chew everything and designate enemies. A lot of emotions and spitting so that the brain does not turn on.

[rocket757]

Grenades analogue of internal troops ??? but what is the problem then?

[Digital error]

Quote: rocket757

analogue of the internal troops?

Why did you need to create this analogue? I seriously don’t understand, without any "trolling". Well, they would increase the number of explosives and the business is over. But we followed the path of Ukraine ...

[rocket757]

- We will go our own way!
- And what?
- In his own way!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: DigitalError

Why did you need to create this analogue?

And they did not create it. Just rebranded - BB renamed to WG. And they brought new explosives out of the control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Quote: DigitalError

Well, they would increase the number of explosives and the end of the matter.

And they did not increase it. It's just that in addition to the explosives themselves, the RG included the FSUE "Okhrana" (which later absorbed other departmental guards), and this is about 85 thousand people.

[cniza]

Not the analogue, but the assignee ...

[rocket757]

Hi
To replace, of course.
We wanted to live in a new way, now we will feed the police and other guards.
It may happen that the flesh of its flesh, it will not be possible to recognize!

[cniza]

We should live quietly peacefully and calmly, I mean the state of Russia, without any shocks, wars and revolutions ...

[rocket757]

Dreams, dreams .... this can only be dreamed of in a dream.
It is already as if long ago without a war, but peace is not there.

[cniza]

There are different wars, and now it’s going on, unless they shoot and bomb ...

[rocket757]

They don’t shoot, they don’t bomb ... but there are not small losses.

[cniza]

Unfortunately, not everyone understands this how to deal with it.

[Izotovp]

Interestingly, we are developing bouncing grenades? And silent.

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

In general, it is not entirely clear why such a huge power structure of the Rosguard is necessary for 340 people. By the time of the collapse of the USSR, the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs were 000, 250 divisions, while the overwhelming mass of the internal troops were 000 convoy divisions, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs was involved in guarding colonies and escorting prisoners. Now the FSIN Penitentiary Service is a separate structure with its own staff. Why keep such a huge staff of servicemen if the Rosguard is not facing the task of guarding the colonies?

[Altona]

Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr

In general, it is not entirely clear why such a huge power structure of the Rosguard is necessary for 340 people.

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To control the population of this quantity is still small. This amount is still spread throughout the country.

[NordUral]

Eugene, not only for control, but also for stripping dissatisfied. And they are waiting for them a lot, judging by the news.

[Altona]

Quote: NordUral

Eugene, not only for control, but also for stripping dissatisfied. And they are waiting for them a lot, judging by the news.

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Eugene, the amendments to the Constitution simply began to sparkle with new colors. State-forming people-QR-Ausweis and muzzles plus self-isolation with access to the outside only when necessary, plus opening cars, apartments and shooting without warning. Any minimum wages and hot breakfasts after stripping, and then, if you prove in a month maybe. The consolidation of sovereignty is impossible without the system enterprises of Coca-Cola and Pepsi, Metro Cash & Carry, McDonald's. Of course, in such conditions, only the purchase of pomegranates is needed more than ever.

[NordUral]

What are we talking about, namesake, everything is so. Poor guys are all but ordinary people.
And this is only the beginning of a long journey to the abyss, or to rebirth.
And we are trampling around at the crossroads, like three heroes, but we still haven’t woken up

[NordUral]

Their job is to deal with future prisoners, if they happen after special measures to combat terrorists (rebellious people who do not want, for example, to have a chip in their ass).

[AAK]

Minus the central office, minus the apparatus of the territorial administrations, minus all the subdivisions of the permitting system, minus all the subdivisions of the FSUE "Okhrana" ...

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

Before the creation of the Russian Guard, the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia were 170 thousand. Sobry was about 5,2 thousand; OMON was about 40 thousand.

[your1970]

Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr

In general, it is not entirely clear why such a huge power structure of the Rosguard is necessary for 340 people. The internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs at the time of the collapse of the USSR were 000 people, 250 divisions, while the vast majority of the internal troops were convoys of 000 divisions,

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR had no adversaries in the North Caucasus armed with mortars, grenade launchers, machine guns and all other fun

[Altona]

Quote: your1970

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR had no adversaries in the North Caucasus armed with mortars, grenade launchers, machine guns and all other fun

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Do you mean the Kadyrov’s army?

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

Kadyrov’s troops are certainly departmental to the Russian Guard. They write that Zolotov and Kadyrov have close friendly relations. On the Internet, you can easily see a huge number of joint photos.

[Suraikin.Aleksandr]

By the time of the creation of the Russian Guard, there were no large militant formations in the North Caucasus.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr

In general, it is not entirely clear why such a huge power structure of the Rosguard is necessary for 340 people.

Of these, 85 people are FSUE "Protection". Plus, all the OMON and SOBR were included in the WG.

[NordUral]

where the fighters of the Russian Guard have repeatedly entered into battle with all kinds of terrorists and militants of all stripes.

Paired with amendments to the law on the police, allowing us to get out of personal cars, break into a house or apartment, shoot to kill and other cute trifles - great news.

[faterdom]

Tender for grenades ??? And it's not about fruit?
Do we have a tender for nuclear warheads? Or do they buy from a single supplier, which is thoroughly controlled and accountable to the state?

[AAK]

57 and a half thousand offensive grenades purchased in addition to those already in stock and in parts (units). I don’t think there are any grenades there. And the purchased quantity is approximately one ammunition load (including planned exercises (training) on ​​throwing combat grenades) at the Dzerzhinsky division. I believe (if it’s wrong, then my knowledgeable colleagues will correct it) that a similar amount of grenades could be used as if if not for the entire Chechen company ...

[Maks1995]

Bullshit is a question, the main thing is that they are real and not "golden".

Because there were already tenders for pistols, as if made of gold .... (maybe dlch honored deputies and senators as a gift ??? they have it fashionable ....)

[Junior Private]

Quote: Spade

Quote: carstorm 11

need to throw stones

What kind of stones ???
They are children.
To persuade, only to persuade.

The grenade, in itself, is a universal thing. She can hammer small nails, and without pulling out the checks in the lobeshnik light up, and she looks solid. And carrying stones with you is the last century.

[iouris]

The best defense is an offensive.

[faterdom]

By the way, note for virologists: a grenade with the receipt removed and held in the hand helps maintain a social safe distance, and almost completely protects against Covid19, even better than a mask, gloves or a QR code on a smartphone.

[Alexey Lobanov]

For training at training grounds - a very SAFE grenade, in contrast to the old models. Grenade throwing is a regular training point for fighters of the Russian Guard, at least OMON. For training, the figure of 57 thousand does not look so big anymore (for reference, from open sources - in 2014 in Russia there were 160 OMON units, 40 thousand fighters).

[bubalik]

,, so everyone was excited everything is open, they don’t hide anything, the WG buys a lot of things, everything is visible on the RosTender website.
And that too discuss?

[TatarinSSSR]

That's when these grenades fly into the crowds of protesters against the lawlessness of the authorities, and then everyone will think about why they were not indignant before. In the meantime, sleep calm country. There are no protests, the Russians are full, they are happy with their lives and incomes.

[saygon66]

- The old grenades that ... Nothing better was found or are the warehouses cleaned?

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: saygon66

- The old grenades that ... Nothing better was found or are the warehouses cleaned?

And what do you not like about these?

[saygon66]

- Yes, they were already trying to supply them to the troops, back in the days of Afghanistan ... But something didn’t grow together there, the bombings were due to mistreatment, and F-ki and RGD-chi left them ... they threw them back in 98- m - so for sure ...