"A cow into the cauldron." How the winners ate in 1945


Mock-up of field kitchen during the war in the Prokhorovskoye Pole Museum-Reserve (photo from Wikipedia)


The topic of nutrition of our soldiers at the final stage of the Great Patriotic War is one of the least covered in historical and specialized literature. This is not surprising, since, raising it, it is impossible to ignore the issue of trophies and similar moments that were hushed up in Soviet times in the most thorough way, as if they at least somehow diminished the feat of the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army, which had paid millions of lives for the liberation of that very Europe , entering which they finally were able to at least plenty to eat.

It must be said that the Red Army approached the beginning of World War II with fairly generous food supply standards for personnel. The soldier’s food, and especially the food of the command staff, was quite satisfying and varied: without delicacies, naturally, but more than enough so that young men under conditions of increased physical exertion could not only satisfy their hunger, but also maintain proper form.

The treacherous attack of the Nazis and their allies confused the cards in this matter. 70% of mobilization reserves from the western regions of the country went to the invaders. Almost half of the sown area was lost. There is nothing to say about the losses in agricultural machinery and the working hands of farmers. As a result, the volume of grain collected in 1941-1942 did not reach 40% of the pre-war.

Nevertheless, the dietary standards of units and divisions that were at the forefront remained virtually unchanged. The principle "Everything for the front, everything for the victory!" worked here to the fullest. Nutritional standards for other categories of military personnel were cut (there were four of them in accordance with the decisions adopted in September 1941 by the GKO and NCO of the USSR), which, in essence, meant one thing: the farther from the “front”, the worse the feeding . Poorly ate in training and spare parts, and did not indulge cadets of military schools. However, the civilian population, especially those who were sitting on “dependent” cards, was harder for everyone ...

Another question is that it was far from always possible to feed fighters according to established standards due to a huge number of objective reasons. Still, it was a war, not the Zarnitsa game or even the peacetime military exercises. Improving the nutrition of fighters, who, as you know, were far from fattening in combat units, began with the victorious advance of the Red Army to the West. Despite the fact that, leaving the occupied territories, the Nazis tried to clean up or at least destroy all the food supplies there, they did not always succeed. According to the memoirs of the war veterans, “it became better with feeding” after the liberation of Ukraine and Moldova. And then before our soldiers lay a well-fed Europe, which in 1941 came to conquer and conquer us.

And don’t, please, hypocrisy: we, born and raised in peacetime, who never knew real hunger, have no right to judge the heroes from the Leningrad Front, with our hands inserting our teeth that fell out from scurvy and chewing pine needles to save ourselves from this disease caused by the lack of elementary vitamins and nutrients in the body. Those who suffered from “night blindness”, who sometimes mowed down entire units and, again, suffered from a monotonous, poor diet for fresh vegetables and fruits (in some places they hadn’t seen such things for months or even six months). Those who ate the fallen horses and gathered under fire in the fields the barely broken wheat shoots ...

People who survived the horrors of war, passing through their own country, utterly devastated and plundered by the invaders, did not “loot”, as some gentlemen allow themselves to say today, but simply diversified their own menu. First of all, of course, due to the meat roaming around the neighborhood. The original letter of a lieutenant from Germany has been preserved, saying that his subordinates "already put a whole cow in the boiler." Some of the front-line soldiers modestly and briefly reported home that “the food had improved significantly”, and some described it with relish as “practicing who cooks the cow better”, otherwise they simply “fed up” the sausage and chicken.

It must be said that this abundance was not at all “amateur activity” of individual military personnel. The commander’s units reported that for the first time since the start of the war, they had already begun to “lay 600 grams of meat per person.” The soldier’s ration was significantly increased and improved due to local products, which many soldiers (and officers too), who came from the outback, seemed unprecedented goodies. However, again according to the memoirs of the war veterans, they more than generously shared food not only with the inhabitants of the liberated territories of Eastern Europe, but also with the Germans - especially with children and women. So feeding the failed "Aryans" from the field kitchens of the Red Army is not fiction or propaganda, but a vital thing. We were fed, where are they going to be ...

Europe nevertheless tasted our borsch, kulesh and porridge with meat (it was these three dishes that formed the basis of the nutrition of the Red Army soldier throughout the entire Great Patriotic War). But not as a conqueror, but in the role of the conquered, whom the merciful and generous Soviet warrior fed out of mercy.
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  1. Same lech April 28 2020 10: 11 New
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    But not as a conqueror, but in the role of the conquered, whom the merciful and generous Soviet warrior fed out of mercy.

    Now the ungrateful Europe is demolishing the monuments to our soldier ... that’s all their gratitude for the liberation from fascism.
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      1. AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 10: 31 New
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        How could one not liberate Europe and reach Berlin? Staying on the borders of the USSR so that Hitler could recover from defeat and gather new forces is not an option. So that we were forced to liberate Europe.
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          1. AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 10: 42 New
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            I will not pass, but the enemy had to be finished off. And if they entered Europe, then establish regimes friendly to us there, make a sanitary cordon around the USSR, which happened, otherwise our sworn allies would be there.
            1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 11: 57 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              I will not pass, but the enemy had to be finished off.

              Enemy finished off, “Liberation of Europe” was a special mission for the Red Army. And for peace and freedom in Europe, more than 1 million Soviet soldiers gave their lives. After the war, monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators were massively erected in all liberated countries and cities. But memorable places in gratitude to the liberators since 1945 are becoming less and less. The desecration of monuments to Soviet soldiers - especially in recent times - has noticeably increased. And meanwhile:
              “Europe would not be free if not for the Soviet infantry, if not for Russian tanks and aircraft. These are not Americans who had real forces, well-fed soldiers in warm clothes. The Russians came. Half-starved, but driven by hatred for what the Germans did with their homeland. ”
              (Warsaw resident Yatsev Vilchur)
              And I didn’t want my paternal uncle (half Pole) to die near Warsaw, and I didn’t want the monument to be demolished on his mass grave. And he didn’t want another uncle to die on the Zeelov Heights. I wanted to walk and make friends with their unborn children, my second cousins ​​and sisters. I do not want Western pro-fascists to mock the memory of my loved ones.
              1. AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 12: 02 New
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                The liberation of Europe was part of our geopolitics. If we discard the high-flown phrases, then we pushed the threats away from our own borders, acquired what-no, but allies and secured a market for ourselves. Otherwise, the Americans would have ruled in these territories.
                1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 15: 02 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  then we pushed the threats away from our borders, acquired what-no, but allies, and secured a market for ourselves.

                  I have no doubt about this, we have more “allies”, but there is no threat at all, only friends everywhere, and we have a good market, oil and gas. But all the "allies" now for some reason want to snatch a piece of Russia.
                2. sgrabik April 29 2020 10: 47 New
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                  What the Americans are doing now thanks to Gorbatom and Yeltsin, these corrupt pigs dropped all achievements and conquests of the Soviet Union below the baseboard, but it was necessary to think orally with the Americans about not expanding NATO eastward without concluding a single written agreement with them !!!
            2. tihonmarine April 28 2020 12: 38 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              then establish friendly regimes there, make a sanitary cordon around the USSR, which is what happened, otherwise our sworn allies would be there.

              And now I see this cordon of “sworn friends” around .... the USSR is gone, and there are more sworn friends. Keep silent about friendly regimes.
            3. qQQQ April 28 2020 14: 27 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              make a sanitary cordon around the USSR, which happened

              All this is correct, only it was necessary not to feed this cordon, but to milk it. All the same, they don’t remember the good, so at least it wouldn’t be in vain now they would have watered mud.
          2. Fitter65 April 28 2020 11: 34 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Well, here you are the same. Better put a bunch of minuses, but be silent.

            Well, you really were silent, with your meekness-
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And all the time I am fucking on the site “it wasn’t necessary to free Europe” ... So far the people still do not fully realize that and how much.

            Well, here you are so knowledgeable as to how much. Just do not understand why and why. And explaining this to you is a waste of time; you cannot understand this for the victim of the USE ...
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              1. Fitter65 April 28 2020 14: 32 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                So who is the victim of the exam, you or I graduated from the Soviet school in 1964

                Strange, but judging by the meaning of the written (or rather written), it’s really “Kolya from Urengoy.”
              2. qQQQ April 28 2020 14: 33 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                The victims of the exam are not the biggest disease of Russian society, but those people who created this exam and who took the ego for granted (like YOU) and continue to accept it

                In the exam there is one plus that outweighs all the disadvantages, namely, that anyone, regardless of wealth, can go, again, to any university in the country. Bribes have significantly decreased, in general, there are much more advantages. In the 90s, he personally witnessed when asked about admission to the capital's university, that if you sit in your “fly”, then stay there. All the USE minuses can be corrected within one year at the university by deducting all those who failed, but they don’t do this, again bribes.
                1. Aviator_ April 28 2020 14: 51 New
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                  In the exam there is one plus that outweighs all the disadvantages, namely, that anyone, regardless of wealth, can go, again, to any university in the country.

                  Interestingly, how was it in the USSR? In the leading universities of Moscow only Muscovites entered? By the way, after the introduction of the Unified State Examination, it turned out that the Caucasian republics showed the highest scores in the Russian language.
                  1. qQQQ April 28 2020 14: 56 New
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                    Interestingly, how was it in the USSR?

                    In the USSR, everything was fine with this, the applicant was supposed to have housing (a place in the hostel) and the wealth of the family allowed him to send his child to study anywhere in the country. And now the market, all the hostels (until recently) were rented to guest workers, it’s better not to write about the prosperity and maintenance of the student, therefore the exam is the guarantee of the accessibility of any university. Well, about the points, and in Soviet times, they had money for admission, just then in most cases they were screened out after the first session, and now it is hindering to do the same greed.
                    1. Aviator_ April 28 2020 15: 01 New
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                      I know that this was more than normal in the USSR, he himself came to Moscow from Orenburg, entered and studied. The people on the course were from Dresden (GSVG) to Yakutsk and from Murmansk to Tashkent. And now (I teach at the University) the people are exclusively within a radius of 200 km, and the rest are local. And the quality of the enrollment fell catastrophically - Soviet teachers have already died out. The exam is for stupid performers, there are no pluses here
                      1. qQQQ April 28 2020 16: 15 New
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                        Quote: Aviator_
                        And now (I teach at the University) the people are exclusively within a radius of 200 km, and the rest are local. And the quality of the enrollment fell catastrophically - Soviet teachers have already died out. The exam is for stupid performers, there are no pluses here

                        In Moscow, not everyone can support a student, therefore, 200 km, and without the Unified State Examination, the radius was within the Moscow Ring Road, I completely agree about the quality, but you as a university teacher have exactly the same complaints - the quality of graduates is lower than the baseboard. And who is stopping you from deducting for failure (do not want to believe that a bribe)? And the task in the exact sciences in the USE is very complex and cannot be solved with a snap, you need to know. On humanitarian issues, I completely agree that they cannot be shoved into the USE.
                      2. Aviator_ April 28 2020 17: 40 New
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                        Nobody bothers me to expel, because I teach part-time at the institute, moreover, I train personnel there for my office in general and for my sector in particular. He has already taken some, and he is already studying at graduate school. And those who are at full time - those, of course, are shaking for a place and sometimes give undeserved ratings.
                        And the task in the exact sciences in the USE is very complex and cannot be solved with a snap,

                        That's about it is not necessary. There are moderately difficult tasks only in paragraph "C", and the rest is primitive.
                        In Moscow, not everyone can support a student

                        And within a radius of 200 km, the income of the parents of students is even less.
                      3. qQQQ April 28 2020 20: 17 New
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                        Quote: Aviator_
                        That's about it is not necessary. There are moderately difficult tasks only in paragraph "C", and the rest is primitive.

                        I also agree with this, but this is also a plus for the USE that it allows you to determine the level of knowledge not on a 5-point scale. Up to level C, this is a school curriculum, and C is already an olympiad level, in the exact sciences, where verbiage is unnecessary, that's it.
                      4. Aviator_ April 28 2020 20: 27 New
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                        The wretchedness of the Unified State Examination in the control system itself, tasks of level A and B are not tasks at all, but the storage of certain decision algorithms. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to return to the previous exam system immediately - there is no longer a teacher contingent who is able to conduct a classical exam. The five-point system has fully proved its viability during the existence of the USSR. The worst thing is that a university cannot conduct entrance exams, that is, there is no entrance control - “here you have the material, take it,” but you can’t verify for yourself that it’s there. A number of leading universities arrange interviews, of course, but not all. It is necessary to return to the entrance control of applicants, especially since the USE is unrealistic to cancel.
                      5. qQQQ April 28 2020 20: 39 New
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                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Need to return to the entrance control of applicants

                        I agree with all the cons of the exam, I am considering the issue in a different plane. In the classical sense, exams could be implemented in the USSR, with the existing corruption in Russia, this will all turn into a farce worse than the USE. Plus, not everyone will get to the university for financial reasons, and even live at the time of passing the exam, and the attempt will be one and one university. In my opinion (I don’t want to think about conspiracy theory), the Unified State Examination is just a way to give a chance to enter not the best regions from the best regions of the rich. When I studied in the USSR, it was from distant us. points demonstrated the best knowledge in the long term (at the initial stage, 1-2 semesters from the capital's schools were much more prepared). And again, who prevents at the first session to weed out all unnecessary (this is a rhetorical question, about the Fin. I know the interest of universities from the number of students, especially payers). Return to exams will not solve anything, you need to change the system.
                      6. Aviator_ April 28 2020 21: 55 New
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                        The interest of universities on the number of students I know, especially payers

                        Payers are generally wealthy. This type of training must be abolished.
                        Entrance control of applicants in universities is needed, while nothing is better than exams.
                        The very structure of the school exam does not allow the assimilation of the subject, (I do not know about physics and mathematics, as with other subjects). A schoolboy who knows physics will write an exam, but a student trained in an exam is not capable of mastering institute physics.
                      7. qQQQ April 28 2020 22: 13 New
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                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Payers are generally wealthy. This type of training must be abolished. Entrance control of applicants at universities is needed until nothing is better than exams.

                        Everything is very right where the money comes, the direction is dying, be it education, medical, science, etc. In our conditions, entrance control will lead to the closure of universities at their local level, only in the possibility, in the current conditions, for poor, but able children to study in good universities, I see the great benefit of the exam. And education was killed by money and entrance control will not change anything, it will only make, in addition to the above, income more expensive. The dispute is about nothing, you are proving to me how it should be, what is stupid to argue with, but I am from the practical side.
                      8. Aviator_ April 28 2020 22: 45 New
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                        and I'm from the practical side.

                        Do you teach too?
                      9. qQQQ April 29 2020 08: 49 New
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                        Do you teach too?

                        Friends and relatives teach, including in universities, the child acted, and another is yet to be. I liked the exam, attended to the preparation in advance, and then choose according to the results. How the metropolitan profession earned money on entrance exams is also familiar (a tutor is 10-20 times more expensive for a lesson and so for 1-2 years, but the exam is guaranteed, in fact a veiled bribe).
                      10. Aviator_ April 29 2020 09: 49 New
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                        Well, corruption can be reduced only if you convince the applicant (and his relatives) that in the future he will need knowledge, and not an abstract score for guessing the answers to the exam. Let your child study the subject, if he knows the subject of the exam, he will write, and it will be easier to learn.
  2. sgrabik April 29 2020 11: 07 New
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    Now, in many Russian universities, the session is simply bought, there is a certain fee for each subject and if a student does not know anything and cannot pass the session on his own, he can easily buy it, in the USSR universities this also happened sometimes, but not everywhere and in disproportionately smaller volumes !!!
  • certero April 30 2020 13: 04 New
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    No, there were different people. Which absolutely does not remove the corruption component of entrance exams. And if now these exams remained, the institute of the so-called tutors, who fed on bribes to teachers, would have grown to incredible limits.
    Any system that removes the human factor in evaluating another person’s actions is helpful. Since like, like, no one has ever canceled. I would be happy if in Soviet times it was possible to take tests.
    1. Aviator_ April 30 2020 13: 15 New
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      In Soviet times, they were, only called differently. For example, when entering the MIPT, before the oral exams in physics and mathematics there was always a written exam in which they scored for tasks, and the course of the solution was taken into account (which is basically impossible with the test). At the oral examination, the applicant was given his written work, in principle, his missed score could be challenged. Only after that a ticket for an oral exam was issued. The same thing happened when studying at the physics and technology department - written work was always before the oral. But the exam is a profanation of everything. Naturally, checking has become easier, that is, on the intelligence of those checking there is also savings.
      I would be happy if in Soviet times it was possible to take tests.

      And by whom and how after passing the tests would you begin to work? The position of sales manager is not taken into account.
  • Fitter65 April 28 2020 17: 09 New
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    Quote: qqqq
    In the exam there is one plus that outweighs all the disadvantages, namely, that anyone, regardless of wealth, can go, again, to any university in the country. Significantly reduced bribes,

    Here you can see right away that a man didn’t go beyond the Kremlin ring ...
    1. qQQQ April 28 2020 17: 12 New
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      Quote: Fitter65
      Here you can see right away that a man didn’t go beyond the Kremlin ring ...

      On the contrary, I didn’t reach the Kremlin ring. Child - recently was a student, so I was faced with the choice of a university. In this regard, the exam really liked. Teach, get points, do what you want, 5 universities with three specialties in each, the choice is huge.
  • hohol95 April 28 2020 12: 52 New
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    Take the trouble to make a strong case for your words.
    And justify your personal opinion on the ways (with the introduction of these methods, methods) of returning Soviet prisoners of war and stolen civilians without occupying the territory of the enemy!
  • 210ox April 28 2020 10: 36 New
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    And I think that it was not necessary to break up the socialist system. Then half of Europe would be ours. And what does "not free" mean? Stop at its borders and wait for another attack, even more terrible?
    1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 10: 46 New
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      And I think that it was not necessary to break up the socialist system.

      You think it is right, and I also think, but the world capitalist International created after 1848 did not think so. And at this stage of development, he has won so far on all fronts, (except North Korea and China).
    2. sgrabik April 29 2020 11: 11 New
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      Say thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin for this, because it is not in vain that they are so much loved in the West and hated in Russia !!!
  • Krasnoyarsk April 28 2020 11: 25 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: The same Lech
    Now the ungrateful Europe is demolishing the monuments to our soldier ... that’s all their gratitude for the liberation from fascism.

    And I keep pounding on the site “it wasn’t necessary to free Europe”, although I am constantly awarded minuses. So far, people do not fully realize that and how much.

    You see, without liberating those European countries that they liberated, it was impossible to force Germany to surrender and it would be impossible to take reparations from Germany. But they took her, and considerable. Of course, it is not equivalent to losses, but nevertheless - with a dead sheep, even a tuft of wool.
    I personally knew a man who went from a factory on a business trip as a part of a group to Germany in 45 g. They brought metalworking machines from there. The Germans themselves “picked out” them and loaded them onto platforms. One of them, planer, with a working plate length of 4 meters, worked in the early 2010s, until the plant was stopped and looted.
    1. AK1972 April 28 2020 13: 12 New
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      One of them, planer, with a working plate length of 4 meters, worked in the early 2010s, until the plant was stopped and looted.

      We still have such a machine working properly, and several Erfurt presses are threshing.
  • NF68 April 28 2020 17: 31 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: The same Lech
    Now the ungrateful Europe is demolishing the monuments to our soldier ... that’s all their gratitude for the liberation from fascism.

    And I keep pounding on the site “it wasn’t necessary to free Europe”, although I am constantly awarded minuses. So far, people do not fully realize that and how much.


    In this case, the British and Americans, on the one hand, and the unfinished Germans, could somehow agree among themselves. And it would be much needed USSR?
  • 210ox April 28 2020 10: 39 New
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    This is “gratitude” for the betrayal of the tagged and the drunk.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich April 28 2020 14: 34 New
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    I’ll probably say something seditious again, but let me ask: Who told you that we have freed Europe from fascism? I believe that they did not release, but ... they conquered fascist Europe !!!
    In this sense, fascism and Hitler was, and perhaps still is, a product of that very Europe.
    Remember the movie White Tiger. Remember Hitler’s thoughts / interviews at the very end of the film. In those thoughts, Hitler says: but what, in fact, did we do something that every European citizen would not think about? We just said: well, if we all think about it, then let's do it ...
    I believe that this approach puts everything in its place: World War II continues.
    She gradually grew into the Cold War and is now on.
    And Europeans who were “freed from fascism” only felt their strength and our weakness and got rid of us - their “liberators”.
    Europeans have never been with us. Alas.
  • Bersaglieri April 29 2020 13: 45 New
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    In Germany, they do not demolish, but obihizhat. Both monuments and military cemeteries.
  • knn54 April 28 2020 10: 22 New
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    The Soviet soldier was remembered in Germany not as violence, but as a field kitchen.
    When German soldiers entered our cities, famine began in them.
    In 1945, everything was exactly the opposite.
    1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 10: 52 New
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      Quote: knn54

      The Soviet soldier was remembered in Germany not as violence, but as a field kitchen.

      We cannot judge what the Russian soldier remembered for the Germans of the occupied part of Germany. Only Germans can judge this.
      1. Fitter65 April 28 2020 11: 38 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        We cannot judge what the Russian soldier remembered for the Germans of the occupied part of Germany. Only Germans can judge this.

        Can not so do not judge what the SOVIET SOLDIER REMEMBERED.
        1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 12: 25 New
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          Can not so do not judge what the SOVIET SOLDIER REMEMBERED.

          I just said, "What is not for us to judge, but for the Germans." So you ask the German, and do not write your thoughts what the Germans think there. But they think not at all like us.
          1. Victorio April 28 2020 12: 35 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            So you ask a German don't write your thoughts what the Germans think there. But they think not at all like we.

            ===
            ) write your thoughts about what they think differently from us?
            differently they think, probably, like us
          2. Fitter65 April 28 2020 14: 55 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            I .... said, "What is not for us to judge, but for the Germans."
            And I say Vae victis
            from Latin - "grief for the vanquished." So who, where and how sets priorities, is the winner’s right. In 1987, in the city of Szczecin, in one of the port restaurants, the Poles sat and rested, and at the same table were 4 Soviet soldiers and one pan. Suddenly, the door opens and the German voenmor for the whole restaurant says "Poles out !!!" Your country, your restaurant, you paid for everything, but they all silently got up and left. And we are sitting, the pan is so fussy, the Germans are here, they will have a rest here, we must go out. The German approached our table, and he had a question on his forehead - he forgot who took your Berlin.? Smile, turn your head - Russiche is official! For 3 (three) days !!! such a cool revelry, we didn’t pay any zloty ... So I remembered who who and how should judge. And the fact that someone released the reins, well, it doesn’t matter with time.
      2. sgrabik April 29 2020 11: 44 New
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        Modern Germans cannot judge this either, and direct witnesses of those events can be practically counted on the fingers, they are almost dead, a reasonable question arises: which Germans will judge this ???
    2. bubalik April 28 2020 11: 19 New
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      In 1945, everything was exactly the opposite.



    3. Krasnoyarsk April 28 2020 13: 24 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The Soviet soldier was remembered in Germany not as violence, but as a field kitchen.

      I would like to believe in it. But .., no matter how the wolf feeds ... There were some. But there were probably those who appreciated the nobility of the Soviet soldier.
  • Brigadier April 28 2020 10: 25 New
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    - Why did we save the Bulgarians from the total destruction of their Turks?
    - Why did we feed the hungry Germans in Germany on the 45th, although they, having invaded the USSR, did not even think of doing such “stupid things”?
    - Why did we try not to bomb their cities, as the Americans and the British did, but save their architecture, sometimes sending thousands of our soldiers to death, although one regiment of bombers could be enough ...
    - Why did we, in the terribly hungry 46th, exhausting ourselves and starving ourselves, send enormous money and resources to restore the “countries of the socialist camp” that had just fought against us when we ourselves at times ate one tree bark in half with a swan?

    What for? What for? What for? Who knows why ...
    We did EVERYTHING so that it would be good for others to deserve "their" gratitude, and we will somehow tolerate for the sake of the future ...

    And this future has come ...
    And we deserve "their" thanks ...
    WELL HOW? LIKE?
    1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 10: 57 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      And this future has come ...
      And we deserve "their" thanks ...
      WELL HOW? LIKE?

      And I'm talking about the same thing, but here's a look at the minuses, how I like it in VO.
      1. Nikolaevich I April 28 2020 12: 26 New
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        Yes, and here "like-dislike"! Cons to you in fairness! Because "reasoning is on one side"! fool If you had a “thinker” working for you, then you would not have come to such awkward statements!
        Do not exempt Europe from the Nazis? And what would it be? The Nazis would be given a break, given time to “regroup”, to collect and concentrate forces and means! They would give time to “finish” the nuclear bomb, ATGMs, air defense systems, guided air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, high-precision ballistic missiles, torpedoes, more advanced jet aircraft, submarines with anaerobic explosives, more advanced nerve agents, possibly bacteriological weapons, possibly intercontinental missiles ...! You need to think! Sabret! (as A. Raikin said!)
        1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 12: 50 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Yes, and here "like-dislike"! Cons to you in fairness!

          I don’t argue. All in fairness. I don’t know about your thinking, and mine says that more than a million Russian soldiers fell to Europe, which again acts as a united front against Russia, and again surrounded by enemies, so what have we achieved, peace? or friendship of peoples? This is what your reason says.
          1. Nikolaevich I April 28 2020 13: 48 New
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            My reasoning says that if the Soviet troops did not go to Europe, then, later, for the saved million lives, they would have to pay many times more! “By and large”, Soviet soldiers not only “liberated Europe”, but also saved for the future many millions of lives of Soviet people at the cost of that “sacrificial” million ... provided the country with many years of peaceful life, restoration and development of the state and population. ..!
            1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 15: 07 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              but they also saved for the future many millions of lives of Soviet people at the cost of that “sacrificial” million.

              But for me, this million, this is human life, out of this million, there are two funerals for Europe in my family. My sober mind doesn’t understand why they lay in Warsaw and on the Zeelow Heights. You don’t understand this.
            2. Svarog51 April 28 2020 20: 08 New
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              Nikolaevich hi I’ll tell you more if we weren’t there until the 90s it would have been much worse. I was there, saw with my own eyes. My family would live like that.
    2. 210ox April 28 2020 11: 17 New
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      We did not deserve it. See comments above. They deserved tagged with a drunk, and with the whole gop company, which now rules the ball.
    3. Alexey RA April 28 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      - Why did we feed the hungry Germans in Germany on the 45th, although they, having invaded the USSR, did not even think of doing such “stupid things”?

      To get a faithful ally. Which, unfortunately, we ourselves ultimately betrayed.
      Quote: Brigadier
      - Why did we try not to bomb their cities, as the Americans and the British did, but save their architecture, sometimes sending thousands of our soldiers to death, although one regiment of bombers could be enough ...

      Stories about "saving cultural property at the cost of soldiers' lives" have recently been denied on the site by documents with enviable regularity. There were no restrictions on the use of the same OM and BM artillery in European cities. In Berlin, even 12 "howitzers worked.
      About which sending thousands of his soldiers to death can we talk about it at the end of the war, when the USSR’s mobility potential was already exhausted? Even before the battle for Berlin and even in the direction of the main strike, the USSR was unable to replenish infantry divisions at least to half the state.
      Top-ups per hour are on a teaspoon, but no one will cancel the combat mission. So, the recipe for the end of the war is taken - a rifle regiment (numbering a battalion) is taken, it is given a militia regiment or ogvtpp and all this is backed up by an artillery division.
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        To get a faithful ally. Which, unfortunately, we ourselves ultimately betrayed.

        So you answered everyone all the questions with this one sentence.
      2. Alf
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        So, the recipe for the end of the war is taken - a rifle regiment (numbering a battalion) is taken, it is given a militia regiment or ogvtpp and all this is backed up by an artillery division.

    4. tihonmarine April 28 2020 12: 27 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      And this future has come ...
      And we deserve "their" thanks ...
      WELL HOW? LIKE?

      By cons, I see that so many site visitors like this.
    5. hohol95 April 28 2020 12: 55 New
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      Forgot to mention Georgians and Armenians ... And the salvation of Austria-Hungary from the Hungarian uprising in 1848-1849!
    6. Krasnoyarsk April 28 2020 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Brigadier

      What for? What for? What for? Who knows why ...

      Probably then to remain a HUMAN.
      I don’t put a minus to you. Alas, you are right. But I won’t put a plus either.
      To agree with you is to condemn the leadership of the USSR of that time. And I do not have the right to do so.
    7. Svarog51 April 28 2020 20: 02 New
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      Did we do this for the sake of gratitude, or to save the hungry civilians? If the Nazis destroyed our citizens, then should we do the same? Then what are we better than them? At the moment, not those people say that our soldiers fed. It’s bad that their mothers didn’t explain why they survived. They are looking for a way to make claims and live comfortably. This should be either put in the bud or file counterclaims. Our victims are more.
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    1. tihonmarine April 28 2020 11: 16 New
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      In Germany itself, even at the peak of * abundance * not everyone was fed plentifully.

      I don’t know how the Germans ate there, but according to many German memoirs I read, the German army, up to the “collapse,” ate pretty badly. All of Europe fed the Nazi army, there is nothing to be surprised.
      1. Svarog51 April 28 2020 20: 20 New
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        I now had a chance to see after the Victory in 30 years. Ours would eat like them.
    2. Alexey RA April 28 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      In Germany itself, even at the peak of * abundance * not everyone was fed plentifully. For skeptics, just look at the photos of those years.

      Or open Halder's diaries.
      12 May 1941 years
      General Osterkamp: Difficulties in supplying meat. The number of pigs decreased from 27 to 20 million heads. Cattle should not be touched. Therefore, you need to reduce consumption. It is necessary to reduce the consumption of meat in the ground forces before the offensive. In the armed forces, the norm is reduced from 1500 to 1350 grams, and for the civilian population, from 500 to 400 grams [per week].

      Actually, one of the tasks of the attack on the USSR and the subsequent occupation was a banal robbery in terms of food.
      The Green Folder is Herr Thomas, who is a “military economist,” who composed it. Available in the original in the Bundesarchive / Military Archive. The "economic" measures in the occupied territory are being painted. In particular, from the USSR, in any situation and any mood of the local population, it is expected to receive 2.5 million tons of grain, which the USSR promised Germany from the 1941 harvest and which are already included in the Reich's food balance (without them in any way), 3 million tons of grain per army food (if you drag it from the Reich, there is not enough rail capacity) and about 2 million tons more for Germany’s obligations to Romania, Hungary and others. Total approximately 8 million tons of grain. Herr Thomas did not build rainbow illusions and clearly stated that this plan can only be realized if the current agricultural system is preserved, including mainly in the form of collective farms (if you start extensive experimentation with the forms of ownership, you can drive past the 1941 harvest with songs) and severe non-economic coercion regarding the seizure of grain. It also says that when implementing this plan, millions of indigenous people are expected to starve to death, but the Reich should not be bothered, since the occupied territories are required as a source of raw materials, not a highly developed industrial area, and the peak of mortality will be in industrial areas that and so are not able to provide themselves with agricultural products.
      © D. Shein
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  • Beringovsky April 28 2020 10: 40 New
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    ...... Despite the fact that, leaving the occupied territories, the Nazis tried to clean up or at least destroy all the food supplies there, ....

    I recalled a passage from Manstein's memoirs, which simply struck me with its transcendent hypocrisy. Describing the retreat from the left-bank of Ukraine to the Dnieper, he writes that from the territories abandoned by the Germans, a total export of all that is possible - grain, livestock - was organized. Tractors, machine tools, metal, raw materials were removed and exported, in general, all that was valuable was reached and managed to be taken away.
    And then follows just a masterpiece phrase by Manstein. “But it was not a robbery!” Manstein betrays with pathos. “After all, a German soldier never, never was a robber!” belay
    Excuse me, and then what was it?
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      Alf April 28 2020 20: 17 New
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      Sorry, what was it then?

      The robber is when a soldier ran into the house and, showing 98K, grabbed a circle of sausages or a sewing machine.
      А
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      total export was organized
      is a state-organized process.
      laughing
  • The leader of the Redskins April 28 2020 10: 51 New
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    Again uninformative article ...
    According to the recollections of my grandfather, in Prussia they took up a farm (supposedly a rich farm). The owners threw everything and fled, leaving even hot bread. And a dozen pigs grunted in the stable ...
    The tank crew was one peasant in years. Koliy (slaughterer) here he professionally capitalized one pig. Freshly prepared in a milk can.
    The regimental chef then wondered why no one came from the tankers for millet (disgusted)!
  • Byurer April 28 2020 10: 54 New
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    What is the article about?
  • Engineer April 28 2020 11: 07 New
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    So how did the winners eat in 1945?
    Composition, calorie content, balance, timeliness of providing hot food. Lend-Lease share at last. Comparison with allies and opponents. Where is all this?
    An author with such a level would generally not go into the historical section, which, for all its shortcomings, is currently the most professional at the HE in terms of the quality of publications.
    1. AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 11: 58 New
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      It all depended on the commander. Who soldiers like cheese in butter, and who are malnourished. I talked a lot with veterans - the way it was. There were fathers - commanders, and there were scoundrels.
      1. Engineer April 28 2020 12: 08 New
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        War is an endless variety of cases.
        Vine. "The author of the Tankist on a foreign car." The food is plentiful, but rather monotonous. Lend-Lease deliveries helped a lot in the matter of diversity and increasing the share of meat
        M. Morozov for the supply of the fleet. The Northern Fleet is an excellent food and in terms of quality and quantity. For example, divers at the end of the trip and after the declared victory drank pineapple juice and ate canned Lend-Lease pudding.
        Baltic Fleet. Adequate food even in the winter of 41-42 years. There were cases of exhaustion, but mainly because they did not eat themselves, but were carried to the family.
        Of course, the infantry was the worst.
        1. AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 14: 08 New
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          Submariners and aircraft pilots received rations at the 5th rate. Which included chocolate and cocoa. Given that during one combat flight the fighter lost up to a kilogram of its own weight, such a diet was justified.
        2. Sergej1972 April 29 2020 13: 47 New
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          Grandfather served on the battleship "Sevastopol" in the boiler team. They were fed as slaughter even in the most difficult period of the war. This is even noticeable in the photo of him and his comrades.
    2. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 12: 43 New
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      An author with such a level would generally not go into the historical section, which, for all its shortcomings, is currently the most professional at the HE in terms of the quality of publications.

      Denis, I agree about this for the second time. drinks In principle, the previous article about Volkssturm was of the same plan. Uninformative ...
      Vine. "The author of the Tankist on a foreign car." The food is plentiful, but rather monotonous. Lend-Lease deliveries helped a lot in the matter of diversity and increasing the share of meat

      Loza also mentioned cases of methanol poisoning seized from the Japanese in 1945. It’s also a fact that probably not everyone knows about ... hi
      1. hohol95 April 28 2020 13: 08 New
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        The book "The Hunter for the FAA" describes similar poisoning in 1943 during the liberation of the USSR. The Germans deliberately left tanks with alcohol, and the "cunning folk" merged and sold it later. Two officers were injured in the book.
        In the work "The Island of Living GOLD" there is a case of the transfer of troops from Germany to the Far East. When loading in Germany, the political instructor informs the soldiers about the substitutes poisoning and takes the bottle from them (throws it out the window)!
        Not from the ceiling, writers took such "episodes" for inclusion in their works.
        1. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 13: 11 New
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          Not from the ceiling, writers took such "episodes" for inclusion in their works.

          Duck, of course, Alexei, everything happens in war!
          But I remembered Vine. He also wrote there how people went crazy first from methanol. Moreover, it doesn’t seem to say there, the Japanese specifically left this, or ours podsuetsilsya on the spot ... People! request
          1. hohol95 April 28 2020 13: 19 New
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            Good afternoon! Pane Kohanku hi
            People! I’ve read it for a long time - tankers in a broken German column found canned food in an incomprehensible language and ate them. Tasty like chicken. But someone suggested to them - these are French canned food with frog meat. all "turned up ...." And they went on again hungry again!
            And the author would be better at the same time recalling how those who served in the Far East and in Primorye were fed at that time. Soya soup and herring. Then the Chinese chumiza eat away! But they saw normal quantities of meat only at the beginning of the transfer of troops from Germany.
            1. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 13: 28 New
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              And they went further hungry again!

              Popel in "Tanks turned west" wrote how a German warehouse was seized in a city, and cunning people, along with an irresponsible part of the soldiers, ran to "carry it in their pockets". He, the general, personally had to reassure everyone. But there was found bread of pre-war baked goods in the package, which was quite suitable!
              But they saw normal quantities of meat only at the beginning of the transfer of troops from Germany.

              Duc, everything for the front, everything for the Victory! soldier
              1. hohol95 April 28 2020 13: 47 New
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                The Germans in terms of packaging and methods of long-term storage exceeded our food industry!
                You yourself know that in RI and the early USSR it was tight with processing. And the population was distrustful of fish and other concentrates. And I had to accustom people to fish.
                1. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 13: 57 New
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                  You yourself know that in RI and early RRRS it was tight with processing. And the population was distrustful of fish and other concentrates.

                  The problem of concentrates in the army began to be solved following the results of the Finnish war. Colossal work was done under the leadership of General Khrulev.
                  The transcript of the meeting of April 1940:
                  KHRULEV. With particular acuteness the question arose of the contentment of the army in the war. I must say that here again the intervention of Comrade Stalin not only corrected the situation, but also opened, if you will, a new era in providing the army with food. January 5, comrade Stalin pointed out that we are now in connection with great difficulties in transportation, in connection with very severe frosts and in connection with the fact that the army rear is very stretched, it is necessary to obtain a product that could be consumed in cold weather, which could easy to transport with less transportation.
                  STALIN. And that would not spoil.
                  KHRULEV. Particular attention was paid to Comrade. Stalin crackers. When I came to comrade To Stalin, I saw that this question apparently stood, but our leaders obviously did not take this seriously, they did not deal with breadcrumbs.
                  STALIN. Count Kutuzov was engaged, but they are not. (Laugh)
                  KHRULEV. In December, we took 700 tons of rusks from industry. In the same December, we made a demand, small-scale, if I may say so, for 5 thousand tons of rusks in January, but they promised to deliver 3 thousand tons. And so, when Comrade Intervened. Stalin, we were delivered 9 thousand tons in January, in February we were already given 12 thousand tons of rusks, in March - already 18 thousand tons, now they have a production capacity of 30 thousand tons of rusks. The tsarist army also procured rusks.
                  STALIN. Entire factories were in Sarny.
                  KHRULEV. In Rivne, Bryansk, Kazan, Borovichi, but here it burned down in wartime. Imagine that the tsarist army with all its production capacities involving zemstvos, through the so-called philistine furnaces, received from August 1914 to August 1915 only 9 million pounds of rusks. We have now, comrade Stalin, there is, after your intervention, absolutely free capacity - 18 million pounds, they can be brought up to 25 million pounds.
                  Concerning concentrates. We presented samples of concentrates that industry gave as a civilian assortment. Comrade Stalin pointed out that these concentrates are not suitable. Firstly, it is necessary to make those that would not deplete the country, this product should be in sufficient quantity.
                  STALIN. To be in bulk.
                  KHRULEV. I have your own note: “Without tin containers and in droves”. And then the question arose, to make such concentrates that could be consumed in dry form. Comrade Stalin pointed out that this concentrate should be made from millet. Here we must give justice to Comrade Mikoyan, he organized it very quickly, he knows this industry well and industry needs to be given justice, it has actively taken up this, and I think that these enterprises should be awarded.
                  STALIN. It is right.
                  KHRULEV. They made a product from millet, which is easily consumed by humans. This concentrate quickly turns into porridge: you put a tablet, pour over boiling water and after 3-4 minutes. you have porridge. Concentrates that were given before, how were they made? Usually, cereals are washed and dried and spices and fats are added. Such porridge must be boiled for a long time. They now take millet groats, which they clean and wash, then they steam it in autoclaves, bring it to the state of real porridge and then dry it, and thus give the finished product. It is necessary to warm it in boiling water and it turns porridge.
                  STALIN. I tried. Put in hot water and after 3 minutes porridge blooms and turns out porridge, and in cold water after 10-12 minutes - ready porridge with lard. It is possible for two weeks - a month in advance to issue.
                  KHRULEV. Yes. Comrade Stalin, industry has now developed a very good vegetable concentrate. This is an exceptional concentrate, a wonderful vegetable concentrate, and it is prepared in 24 servings. They made concentrates: cabbage soup, cabbage soup fresh and red soup. After 10 minutes of boiling, borsch is obtained. You know how much it saves in the kitchen. Transportation of vegetables is completely unnecessary. The product is easy to stack, it is good.
                  STEP. Send to the Far East.
                  KHRULEV. We will send to the Far East. We recently talked with you on the phone when you said that concentrates sent you such that you would not advise your enemy to eat them.
                  STALIN. How is dried fish?
                  KHRULEV. I will report now.
                  STALIN. How smoked sausage?
                  KHRULEV. I will report.
                  Allow me to report on the quantities that we have achieved in terms of power.
                  STALIN. They did not say anything about vodka.


                  Pay attention, Aleksey, Khrulev is a "very subtle politician"! But he did not deserve the rebuke of Stalin. But Stalin himself appears as a wise ruler, without embellishment. By the way, the Far East is also mentioned at the end - apparently, everything was completely bad there. hi
                  1. hohol95 April 28 2020 14: 17 New
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                    That's just it, that they began to think about it before the very Great Patriotic War.
                    Prior to this, it means only in bags and barrels with boxes they stored cereals and vegetables.
                    K. I. Chukaev, a member of the Amur expedition, wrote in a report: “Not to mention mines, in the city of Blagoveshchensk, the well-known competition, or rather, filling the lack of milk, creates condensed milk from Swiss factories.” And about the situation in Vladivostok: "Fresh local milk is far from enough, but condensed is coming in significant quantities."
                    During these years, trains with butter from Siberian milk went to Europe, and Swiss condensed milk was brought to the Far East.

                    In 1924, the whole USSR was the only factory producing condensed milk! And then this plant was from the "old mode"!
                    1. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 14: 28 New
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                      That's just it, that they began to think about it before the very Great Patriotic War.

                      Prior to this, they did not really prepare. There was no time - they were engaged in farming (and there are objective reasons for this!). In the Far East there was generally darkness - it was necessary to start with the barracks and roads, and not with combat training. In general, I recommend that everyone read the documents on the Finnish war. Everything was bad. It is because of unreadiness, lack of thought, under preparation. One cannot even blame anyone here - the circumstances in all military spheres were not the best before the war. hi
                      1. hohol95 April 28 2020 14: 38 New
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                        "You comrades fighters hunting throw grenades, and those grenades will become a cow in the state!" - the words of an unnamed political worker who answered the question of the soldiers about the failure to conduct exercises. Far East. The first bell rang on Hassan Lake ...
                        But the Finns at first simply decided to "throw malachai"
                        Neither intelligence, nor supply. No prepared stocks.
                        We hoped for "BLITZKRIG" in Soviet times.
                        The Finns even laughed at the ski training of Soviet athletes-employees! They considered her ugly!
                      2. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 14: 59 New
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                        But the Finns at first simply decided to "throw malachai"

                        as our military leaders themselves wrote later, a campaign in Western Ukraine and Belarus in September was even harmful in terms of what many people thought after it. that in Finland they will be greeted the same way - with flowers and joy.
                        On this poster, a grateful Finnish peasant meets a Soviet tankman.

                        However, ours still formed an “alternative Finnish government”, and the Finnish corps. True, he did not participate in battles. hi
                        But it’s interesting when they began to collect our troops for the war with the Finns! Started in September. The western districts moved into the territory of the former Poland, and the northwest held back for the war with the Finns! Because the wise Stalin reasoned fairly: "They have a big war there in the west, and it’s still not clear - they either fight there or play cards." The time was chosen optimally! hi
                      3. Alexey RA April 28 2020 15: 37 New
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                        Quote: hohol95
                        But the Finns at first simply decided to "throw malachai"
                        Neither intelligence, nor supply. No prepared stocks.

                        And the sense from that intelligence, if no one reads its data, is neither secret nor unclassified. Proskurov at the meeting on the results of the SPS gave statistics on familiarizing commanders with intelligence.
                      4. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 16: 17 New
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                        Proskurov at the meeting on the results of the SPS gave statistics on familiarizing commanders with intelligence.

                        and about other literature. Which with the bar is in the library, and no one can take it home to read (about taking home - the words of Meretskov). hi
                        However, if everyone was lazy at Proskurov there, the attitude towards Khrulev was completely different. Stalin even turned to him with a kind of informal humor.
                      5. Alexey RA April 28 2020 16: 31 New
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                        Quote: Pan Kohanku
                        and about other literature. Which with the bar is in the library, and no one can take it home to read (about taking home - the words of Meretskov).

                        Yeah .. after which the dispersed Proskurov gave statistics already on unclassified literature with intelligence data. smile
                      6. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 17: 41 New
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                        Yeah .. after which the dispersed Proskurov gave statistics already on unclassified literature with intelligence data.

                        and still looked like a defamed schoolboy standing in a corner. recourse young .. and, apparently, in the wrong place at the wrong time ...
                        Colleagues, our comments are informative, chatted with pleasure! drinks
                  2. hohol95 April 28 2020 16: 35 New
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                    Proskurov at the meeting on the results of the SPS gave statistics on familiarizing commanders with intelligence.

                    Chukchi is not a reader - a Chukchi writer (where to) ...
                    Here's another read dusty pieces of paper! We are red commanders and do not require this!
              2. Alexey RA April 28 2020 15: 35 New
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                Quote: Pan Kohanku
                In general, I recommend that everyone read the documents on the Finnish war. Everything was bad.

                It’s also good to read the “Act of transfer of NGOs ...” of 1940.
                Healthy relieves of illusions about the Red Army of the 30s (and from the desire to fight the Wehrmacht in 1939). smile
          2. hohol95 April 29 2020 13: 04 New
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            nfr.ru
            Polina Pearl - Queen of PR
            And then Molotov, on the recommendation of his wife, decided on a brilliant PR move. Speaking at a meeting of the USSR Supreme Soviet, he began to complain from the rostrum to gangs of smugglers who hide pearls and jewelry in cans of canned fish and transport them abroad in this form. To confirm his words, Molotov took out a closed jar of canned food, opened it with a knife on the platform and pulled out a string of large pearls from there. There was no television then, all the more social networks, but newspapers read almost everything, and most importantly, blindly believed any printed word. It can be assumed that Molotov and the Pearl themselves tried to organize an information leak. And so that none of the journalists asked a simple and surface question: how did Molotov know that it was in this closed can of canned goods that jewelry was located. Similarly, no one drew a parallel with the name of the gem and the name of the head of the People's Commissar of the fishing industry. After all, Molotov could have pulled a couple of diamonds, sapphires, or amethysts from the can, but he took out the pearls, transparently hinting at the authorship of this PR move.

            So the Soviet people had to get used to canned fish!
            A similar situation was in RI with sausage. Ordinary people did not recognize a cheap sausage for an edible product and tried to buy meat or meat offal! And then manufacturers and traders "turned" to the Russian Orthodox Church and chemists. Chemists have proved that sausage is not meat - more than 50% of pea porridge. On the basis of these conclusions, the Russian Orthodox Church allowed to eat sausage in the post! She's from pea porridge ...
  • bubalik April 28 2020 22: 14 New
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    it seems, it’s not said, the Japanese specifically left it, or ours poked for
    ,,, came across the hospital report, just when they fought with the Japanese. There is a certain period, I don’t remember exactly how many days, but the cause of half of the deaths is methanol poisoning.
    1. Pane Kohanku April 29 2020 09: 26 New
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      There is a certain period, I don’t remember exactly how many days, but the cause of half of the deaths is methanol poisoning.

      Sergey, you are a master of searching through open archives, and you are in your hands! drinks But do not be offended if our couch patriots then shower you with the contents of their rectum wassat Remember the banner information? request
  • Engineer April 28 2020 14: 02 New
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    Good afternoon,
    I somehow missed the Hitler Agent. In general, an unpleasant trend is evident. I hope our reviews are read by the administration.
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    This article is a dummy.
    An article on such a topic should be informative, should show a general picture on the topic, provide information for reflection and suggestions on the current situation. The author of the article did not highlight this.
    There are many such blank articles on this site.
  • Undecim April 28 2020 11: 43 New
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    Do not let the propagandist Haraluzhny in such topics! Actually, it is not worth letting him into any topics, but in the subject of the Great Patriotic War and in general in history - especially, because of the infliction of irreparable harm by his not far-off campaigners in covering such a question as the Red Army in Europe.
    The leadership of the USSR and the Red Army was faced with the most difficult task - to contain the whole wave of human anger that the Soviet soldier accumulated while passing through the homeland tormented by the invaders, seeing tortured women and children, burnt and destroyed cities and villages, having lost their relatives and friends. The thirst for revenge on the enemy "in his own den" was one of the dominant sentiments in the troops.
    By the way, the Germans themselves perfectly understood this. The diaries of a certain Dieter Borkovsky, a resident of Berlin, have been preserved. I will allow myself a lengthy quote.
    "... At noon, we drove off in a completely crowded city electric train from the Anhalt station. There were a lot of refugee women from the busy Russians in eastern Berlin with us on the train. They dragged all their belongings with them: a stuffed backpack. Nothing more. The horror froze anger and despair filled their faces on their faces! I had never heard such curses ... Then someone shouted, blocking the noise: “Quiet!” We saw a plain-looking dirty soldier, in the form of two iron crosses and a golden German cross. he had a patch on his sleeve with four small metal tanks, which meant that he knocked out 4 tanks in close combat. “I want to tell you something,” he shouted, and there was silence in the train. "Even if you don’t want to listen! Stop nagging! We must win this war, we must not lose courage. If others win - Russians, Poles, French, Czechs - and at least one percent will do with our people what we are six years old in a row they worked with them, then in a few weeks not a single German will survive. This is what the one who has been in the occupied countries for six years! ” The train was so quiet that you could hear the hairpin falling. "
    To become above your grief and hatred, not to give free rein to the blind thirst for revenge - this is truly a feat of the Soviet soldier.
    And the author here is about how the soldiers of the menu diversified with roaming orphaned cows.
    1. Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 12: 44 New
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      To become above your grief and hatred, not to give free rein to the blind thirst for revenge - this is truly a feat of the Soviet soldier.
      And the author here is about how the men of the menu diversified the roaming orphaned cows

      Golden words, Victor Nikolaevich. I subscribe to the commentary in its entirety. And about the beginning of the comment, too. Everyone must do their job.
    2. hohol95 April 28 2020 13: 27 New
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      If others win - Russians, Poles, French, Czechs - and at least one percent do with our people what we did with them for six years in a row, then in a few weeks not a single German will survive. This tells you one who has been in the occupied countries for six years! "The train became so quiet that you could hear a hairpin falling."

      Similar "authors" later wrote in memoirs how difficult it was for them to defend Vaterland. Grenades are not leaving civilian rooms. There, Germans, Not Russians or Poles. The tears of their poor fell ...
      So they couldn’t, because of this pity, save the "native home"! It didn’t stop the Russians. They mowed down all ... And their own and others ... Barbaras ...
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        Come on mowed down. In the intervals between fights, instead of sleeping or playing chess there, they were forcibly raping Germans.
        It’s just that the battle is over, they wiped away sweat and immediately let the Germans rape. And so on until the next battle.
        1. hohol95 April 28 2020 13: 49 New
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          Forgot Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish, Polish, Czech, Austrian, Norwegian and so on to Portugal ... good
          1. Beringovsky April 28 2020 13: 53 New
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            Oh Mine Gott! belay
            Czechs are slippers ?! But what else to expect from these savages from the East ?! wassat
            1. hohol95 April 28 2020 14: 02 New
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              So Sven Hassel (author of "heroic" books about the German tank SHTRAFBATE) with "envy" recalled that every Russian has a "personal cap" ...
              And he poor thing had to "look for love in Roman brothels"!
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                Have you read this book yourself? How did the German, or rather the Dane, associate the word "cap" with the very place that the German had to search for brothels, can you explain?
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                  How did the German, or rather the Dane, associate the word "cap" with the very place that the German had to search for brothels, can you explain?

                  If Mr. Sven has the Tiger and Panther tanks equipped with flamethrowers ...
                  Japanese Americans (Nisei) run with katanas ...
                  And, as his comrades threw in Americans with unexploded ordnance and mortar mines ...
                  In the breaks between fights, not forgetting to trade “trophy” alcohol and fight for the “Russian machine gun”!
                  "Devil's Regiment" (acquired and then laughed for a long time at the adventures of Porta, Heide, Toddler and Major Mike from Texas).
                  It is difficult for me to answer what was there in the head of the Danish Hassel about the “caps”. It was in his first opus “The Legion of the Doomed” (fortunately, I did not buy it).
                  At the same time, he describes that he was also a volunteer in Finland during the Winter War! And without knowing Finnish, he communicated very well with the locals! In Danish ...
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                    Who is Borg Willy Redsted Pedersen I know. His shit books in his native Denmark are not considered possible to keep in public libraries. And are they printed in Russian?
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                      Yes printed. I bought one of them once. "Devil's Regiment" The rest are online!
    3. Alexey RA April 28 2020 15: 51 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      If others win - Russians, Poles, French, Czechs - and at least one percent do with our people what we did with them for six years in a row, then in a few weeks not a single German will survive. This tells you one who has been in occupied countries for six years!

      The German soldiers still, jokes, joked about vacationing in Germany and habits acquired in the occupied lands. Like, during your vacation you need to constantly remember that you are at home and not behave as usual: you can’t take away food and things, you cannot go into a house you like, knocking out a door with your butt, you have to pay for everything, etc.
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        The German soldiers still, jokes, joked about vacationing in Germany and habits acquired in the occupied lands.

        By the way, here they have an advantage. It’s wrong, probably, that ours wasn’t given a vacation.
  • Ros 56 April 28 2020 12: 56 New
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    A little off topic, but still. That's how they met Marshal Konev and our soldiers in Prague on May 9
    1. cobalt April 28 2020 14: 04 New
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      The memory of the Czechs is extremely short.
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        Not everyone. This is for those who were not touched in 1968, as "enemies of the people."
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        Witnesses of those events were almost gone, and the young generation of the Czech Republic grew up already under the pro-Western government, for them Russia is not an ally, but an adversary !!!
  • sergo1914 April 28 2020 15: 02 New
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    . of the very Europe, having entered into which they were finally able to at least plenty to eat.



    Entered Europe to devour? Author, are you raving?
  • Aleksandr1971 April 28 2020 18: 58 New
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    Some kind of meager article. About nothing.
  • Mabius April 28 2020 20: 23 New
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    People who survived the horrors of war, passing through their own country, utterly devastated and plundered by invaders, did not “loot”, as some gentlemen allow themselves to say today, they simply diversified their own menu. First of all, of course, due to the meat roaming around the neighborhood. The original letter of a lieutenant from Germany has been preserved, saying that his subordinates "already put a whole cow in the boiler."

    So yes, but the deep rear of the USSR was starving and strong, continuing to give everything to the Army and the front .. As long as we fed the generously conquered Europe (which plundered and killed the Soviet people), our people were starving in the outback .. This is a fact, but no one grumbled .. Then everything was and restoration and raising the standard of living and a jerk into space ..
    Such is the mission of Russia and the Russian soul in the world .. hi
    Now we also do not live richly, however, we always respond to a request for help .. We are incorrigible in our spiritual nobility and help .. But if anything, our fury is unlimited!
  • Kramb April 28 2020 21: 56 New
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    Nevertheless, the dietary standards of units and divisions that were at the forefront remained virtually unchanged. The principle "Everything for the front, everything for the victory!" worked here to the fullest. Nutritional standards for other categories of military personnel were cut (there were four of them in accordance with the decisions adopted in September 1941 by the GKO and NCO of the USSR), which, in essence, meant one thing: the farther from the “front”, the worse the feeding .

    About the "feeding" of advanced parts.

    Shumilin A.I. "Vanka company"

    Rumbled along the cobblestone pavement, the battalion kitchen turned off the road. She gently rolled into the woods with burning fireboxes, the soldiers did not need to be prompted. This familiar smell and snorting of horses, the tinkling of bridles and chains, raises a person without a bell. At this moment, even a sleeping soldier, without opening his eyes, is able to substitute his bowler under the ladle. The foreman established the iron order at once, so that no dodger would get lost without waiting in line. For this, the agile and nimble mercilessly punished. They were set aside in front of everyone in sight, and they were supposed to be the very last to approach the kitchen. And the chef is relentless, but counts every ladle in his mind and dwells on some number. First of all, he forcefully slams the iron lid over the bitter cauldron, and if there are soldiers with empty bowlers left in the kitchen, then our foreman will get it from the cook. That is why the foreman must first smell the rich smell of the kitchen. To do this, by morning he puts on the post of an intelligent sentry, who must vigilantly monitor the road and know in advance where a pair of horses with one shaft on the chains in the middle will appear. And as soon as he sees the smoking fungus of the kitchen pipe and smells of edible in the wind, he must awaken the foreman. The foreman immediately, without fuss, gets down to business. He needs to get a certain amount of loaves of bread, take a heap of sugar and a shag poured with measure. And all this heap of products he must share and distribute to his soldiers. The portions should be accurate enough so that none of the soldiers have any resentment or doubt. Each soldier will keep an eye on the serving of a neighbor. They supplied us well, and fed the soldiers in the battalion to the full. The food in the cauldrons was thick, rich, tasty and satisfying. Chefs, wagons, captain army, storekeepers and officers were all recruits and Muscovites. They did not have time to work together, sniff and unite with each other. They did not sing and were wary of openly and secretly taking and dragging from a common boiler. There were no packs of parasites, extortionists and thieves. All this we learned later, when we got into the Siberian personnel division. In the meantime, we can say, we have eaten our bellies. All these were new people in the army. They were specially selected and called up from stock. They recently left their families, their friends, their jobs. They did not have time to learn how to grab and steal. Everyone had a conscience and human consciousness. In the early days of the war, they were clean and innocent in front of the soldiers' cauldron, as before God. Products were obtained and laid under the gaze of officers. Warehousing masters and cooks did not catch pieces of meat from boilers, did not drag them for sale and did not hide. Products from the soldier’s rations arrived entirely in the soldier’s gut and were divided equally ...

    "I sent the foreman to find out what was happening there and why they shot. He took a soldier with him, went [there] and returned soon. The foreman reported that the Siberians had shot the horse and were happy with the booty butchering the carcass. And indeed, it soon appeared between trees and bushes smoke and the lights of small bonfires flickered in. We looked at the wounded horse as an unfortunate, doomed animal, and they saw something completely different in it - pieces of fresh meat. They have more than enough of a soldier’s grip! They just came into place and immediately attacked the horse. "I didn’t understand it! I understood everything later, when I began to find out about getting food and about the size of soldiers rations."

    "The rear personnel in this division were mainly personnel officers. They came to the front full and old. Life in the line units taught them everything. Food passed through the hands of nimble people. The soldiers here were fed not like in our machine gun battalion. The rations were scanty, the rear grated people! The things that they gave us in the machine gun battalion for a day were laid out and bred with water for several days. We were struck by this legal requisite. That’s why it was then that Siberian soldiers shot the wounded horse without thinking for a long time! "

    "Hungry soldiers, like moths, flocking to the light, run to look for their regimental kitchen. And as soon as they slip into the hot cauldron and hold out their bowler, they are immediately taken for a soft spot. The main thing is that the soldier does not have a supply of food. He’ll sit three or four days in the bushes, look for him. The bosses will return from the forest, but the soldiers will not be there. The soldier must be kept hungry all the time. Then he will come out of the bushes to the smell of the kitchen. Hungry, he will break through the German encirclement ring. Hunger and death rules the soldier’s world. Those who didn’t get up didn’t get up from the ground to knock on the bowler, he thinks he died in the battle for the freedom of the Motherland. "
    1. serezhasoldatow April 29 2020 11: 11 New
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      Where did you find this shit?
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      This work must also be critically approached and not perceived as the ultimate truth. Other company Vanka told a little different. Communicating with veterans in his youth, he noticed that their stories very often contradicted each other.
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    Could you find a real kitchen? Ahhhh! Money was allocated for the layout.
  • Kramb April 29 2020 18: 11 New
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    This work must also be critically approached and not perceived as the ultimate truth. Other company Vanka told a little different. Communicating with veterans in his youth, he noticed that their stories very often contradicted each other.


    These memoirs are even less on the border of “decent” and “shameful” truths of the Second World War.
    The main thing is not to read the oral memoirs about yourself of the "dear" staffers, commissars, political officers, political commissaries, quartermakers and other hangers-on ...

    You read censored memoirs and get out even more terrible things ... like untrained, almost unarmed people without uniforms they threw them to slaughter ... but it was 1943 ... not 1941 and not 1942 ... it's about the elite 14th guards rifle division ... and obviously these poor fellows were not even included in the list of divisions ...

    "At the beginning of February 1943, a field military registration and enlistment office began to work in our places. Boys and men of the newly liberated area were called up to the army ... Suddenly, the situation on our sector of the front escalated. Decisive efforts were required to block the enemy’s actions. We didn’t have time to re-equip. Having received weapons went on the attack. black padded coats и coat. Our offensive contributed to the success of the division. After the attack, many in the ranks were not counted. Among the dead were some of my fellow countrymen. So sadly for them the baptism of fire.

    - Obednyak N.I., Hare N.R. Private through the war. To the Victory Parade. - 1st ed. - K .: Politizdat of Ukraine, 1989. - 287 p. "
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    And where is the article then? empty cabbage soup.
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    I just didn’t understand where the abundance of "sausage-chicken" products and a cow every day in an incomplete company came from in Germany for 45 years. And also fed the hungry local population. Hmm, why is it so hungry with such an abundance?
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    In short, who did not catch up by wretchedness, the closer to Victory, the more satisfying. I wish everyone to be on the side of the winners. laughing
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    My mother says she’s not afraid of anything right now. She survived the post-war famine. She was a little girl. Consider the bastards, I will make you eat the earth for what my mother experienced.