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School at a distance. New realities of secondary education

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School at a distance. New realities of secondary education
Source: sciencedebate2008.com


Teachers online


No matter how we are told, in Russia distance education in the school environment has not taken root. Various online platforms play at best the role of an additional educational resource. Among such programs, video conferencing (lecture) formats are most popular when a teacher, armed with a whiteboard, presentation, and microphone with headphones, broadcasts from the monitor screen. When it comes to educational platforms in which the student needs to gain knowledge, create projects, adjust the result based on expert comments, the popularity of distance education falls. Our school students have not yet learned how to form independently without a mentor. Because there is no persistent motive for learning.

And then the high-alert mode came in connection with the onset of COVID-19. You can argue as much as you like about the effectiveness of the measures taken, but the fact remains: the fourth academic quarter will most likely take place remotely, if not completed ahead of schedule. It would seem that we have recently convinced everyone that the digital revolution has swept Russia, but the transfer of children to extra-curricular education has passed with great creak.

The first problem is the lack of uniform and adequate educational programs in Runet. When dozens of proposals for organizing free online education fell on schoolchildren and teachers, it turned out that synchronizing them with curricula was very difficult, and sometimes impossible. For example, in the Moscow region, video lessons in mathematics are offered, which have already been completed in the conditional Pskov region, and in the Perm region, a couple of weeks to wait for these topics. And if the programs do not coincide with the textbooks ... Naturally, this form of work does not imply feedback from the student. And if a poor student suddenly has a question about the material, there will be no one to ask him. Looking at the next lesson on YouTube, you can only like or dislike and leave a comment you don't need to write.

The first weeks of educational resources were full of generous offers such as “Everything is free for quarantine now!” Naturally, this turned out to be just a marketing move aimed at attracting a new audience to sites. Truly high-quality resources for schoolchildren were both paid and remained, and even the prices were boosted. However, there are good news. In recent years, all schools have necessarily acquired personal sites (or at least pages on social networks) on which homework can be published every day. In addition, e-school systems have been introduced in many regions, allowing parents and students to control grades and complete homework. With classic paper magazines, I think the self-isolation regime would end in collapse.


Source: sciencedebate2008.com

The second problem of distance education was a weak material base. Some schoolchildren generally do not have a computer at home, and Internet access at best from a smartphone or tablet. Naturally, the scale of this problem in the regions directly depends on the well-being of residents. Move on. Even if the Internet is accessible from portable gadgets, it is most often limited to a few gigabytes of traffic per month. That is, neither in Skype a lesson in the online mode to watch, nor on YouTube a recording of the lesson. And in some villages, for obvious reasons, and cellular communication works with great conventions, not to mention 4G. And even if the family still has a modern computer with broadband access to the global network, do not forget about the parents who are at work remotely. If they conscientiously carry out their duties and observe self-isolation, then there is nothing for the children around the PC to do. I think that the employees of banks, some of which were transferred to remote work, will confirm this. Finally, the most important factor in distance education is the housing issue, which, as you know, has killed many. Unfortunately, not all children are provided with individual jobs in compliance with all sanitary rules, which means that remote studies can take place in the kitchen, on the coffee table, and in other inappropriate places. Add to this the mode of self-isolation of grandparents (who often live with children and grandchildren), and parents who are forced to sit at home.

With educators, everything is easier. Teachers in the vast majority are provided with computers and Internet access - the specificity of work obliges. And they are able to prepare a package of tasks for students with links to online lessons, screening tests and educational videos. But here you can organize video lessons with your own presence, and even on specialized platforms. Therefore, tasks through messengers, through which feedback with children is organized, became the real mainstream. By the way, the most anecdotal example of distance education in self-isolation mode was physical education lessons. Do you think the children in these classes as one do fitness in the home? Tests, essays, reports, and so on - that’s the reality of physical education on the удал remote ’. As in most cases, the school subject is “technology”. And the third problem lies in weakly motivated schoolchildren (as they are called losers) and their equally weakly motivated parents. How to organize work with them? The class teacher cannot come to visit, the teacher cannot conduct a short educational program in hot pursuit. At the same time, parents at best do away with themselves, at worst - in a drunken stupor punish unfortunate minors. In general, distance learning is strictly contraindicated in this category of children and parents.

A difficult exam, a difficult future


We touch on an equally important point of the final certification: the exam in the period of self-isolation. Now everyone understands that even if a miracle happens and the children are released from prison and sent to classes, there will be no unified state examination in the classical sense. The state exam, as you know, can not be taken at your school, but the migration of children from one educational institution to another will definitely be prohibited until the end of the summer. Therefore, the exam will be organized for graduates of the school in their native walls. And the Ministry of Education sets the deadlines very flexible - from June 8, depending on the epidemiological situation in the regions. And if the epidemiological situation does not allow? Cancel the exam? And here again a lot of questions. If the USE options have already been developed, they are the same for the federal districts, then what about discrediting the tasks? Who guarantees that there will be no leaks from the region where the exam passed before? And the USE cannot be canceled in any way - tens of thousands of children will be left without the possibility of entering universities. And the exam is valid for 4 years.


Photo: Timur Sharipkulov / UFA1.RU

Of course, the situation can be saved by remote passing the Unified State Exam, but there are no such technologies in Russia yet. And COVID-19, of course, should be the very challenge that modifies the school structure.

Firstly, it is necessary to develop a reliable and workable system for remotely passing state exams. At least in the backup version. Of course, it is difficult and expensive, but in any case, the system will not stand idle - there are still regular seasonal outbreaks of SARS, and the possibility of such epidemics has not been canceled. Secondly, it is worth thinking about the national distance education system in complete analogy with the common video conferencing systems. Such a system must be adequately protected so that no excesses with hackers occur. I managed to build the Mir payment system on my own. By the way, such a system of school conference calls will be in demand in the "peace" time. For example, children who miss classes for health reasons might be able to attend the lesson remotely. Of course, it is expensive and troublesome. However, precedents already exist - these are video surveillance systems at the USE and various elections.

An important conclusion from the current situation is a simple thesis about the indispensability of the teacher's professions. No one will be able to fully teach remotely (how, by the way, to feed and treat) - everywhere a personal presence of a professional in the workplace is necessary. But the office "plankton", which successfully and without any problems went to remote work, in fact, turned out to be especially not needed. Remove this layer in the post-coronavirus world - and nothing bad will happen. And this is the main lesson that graduates of 2020 should choose to learn when choosing a future profession.
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  1. bk316
    bk316 April 28 2020 15: 13 New
    11
    A few questions to the author.

    Author And do you distinguish the profession of a teacher from a teacher?

    The author and you yourself are a teacher or teacher?

    But physicists, mathematicians, programmers, designers, architects (they all went to a remote place) is this office plankton?

    Do you seriously think that they have no place in the post-roronovirus world?

    Something there you write about national systems who will create them programmers or "personally present" janitors and plumbers?
    Speaking of doctors, Protsenko worked perfectly for two weeks on a remote site, while he was ill.
    1. knn54
      knn54 April 28 2020 15: 48 New
      +3
      Physical education teachers will not find a place on the "remote". Although you can write an essay on a sports theme.
      ON THE INDEPENDENCE OF ACTIONS OF THE PUPIL, THE QUESTION IS SEPARATE.
      But still it’s bad that:
      - there is no PERSONAL contact between the student and the teacher;
      - the child does not have communication with peers / classmates.
      1. Mabius
        Mabius April 28 2020 16: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: knn54
        Physical education teachers will not find a place on the "remote". Although you can write an essay on a sports theme.

        Well, do not tell me, they make me squeeze out to squat on a video, etc. Some prikalisty students create gifs, supposedly let them consider)))))
        Quote: knn54
        there is no PERSONAL contact between the student and teacher;
        - the child does not have communication with peers / classmates.

        Here I agree personal contact with the teacher and students can not be replaced with any remote ..
    2. GUSAR
      GUSAR April 28 2020 16: 06 New
      +1
      Was this your Protsenko sick?
    3. iouris
      iouris April 28 2020 23: 27 New
      +3
      Protsenko may have "worked", but how did he manage to get infected? Is this a professional failure?
      The distance learning method, for example, in Britain is used for the poor, who are not able to pay for a high-quality education, but want to get a higher education diploma (but not at school).
      A school cannot have such infrastructure, because For children, the Internet is generally contraindicated for medical, pedagogical and psychological reasons. In addition, the implementation of functions such as socialization and upbringing of the generation at school and on the Internet occur in different ways and lead to very different results.
      It should be admitted that the school year is not over, the time of "self-isolation" is wasted time (but if the school is so-so, then it's okay), because the population of the Russian Federation has not been regarded as "human capital" for a long time.
  2. Engineer
    Engineer April 28 2020 15: 17 New
    +4
    In addition to the article. Maybe someone will be interested in how my online exam went
    1.Downloads a special secure browser program. No other tabs or browsers can be opened at the same time with it.
    2. User verification. Exam Rules. A control shot of the face is taken on the web camera. A control shot of the environment is taken using a webcam.
    3. Checking sound and text output.
    4. The process itself. No supervisors. Only AI. It continuously monitors the background for extraneous movements. They should not be. According to the control image of the background. My face in real time was also compared to a control shot of the face. When my eyes were tired and I stared at the table, a warning immediately fell out that my face was partially not visible

    In general, everything is reasonable, quite comfortable and fair. Although very unusual. Immediately I do not see what tricks can be used here to cheat.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 15: 31 New
      +5
      how was my online exam

      Greetings. Have you passed on PM?
      1. Engineer
        Engineer April 28 2020 15: 34 New
        +3
        Good afternoon.
        I finish only the first trimester. The course is a year and a half.
        Intense, but interesting for now.
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 28 2020 15: 40 New
          +5
          Intense, but interesting for now.

          Congratulations. This is the main thing. drinks
          1. Engineer
            Engineer April 28 2020 15: 41 New
            0
            Thank you)
            Learn, study, study as one grandfather used to say
    2. Machito
      Machito April 28 2020 15: 32 New
      +2
      AI is already following the students. Well, what is there to enjoy?
      1. Engineer
        Engineer April 28 2020 15: 36 New
        +4
        AI has been following everyone for a long time.
        And you need to follow the students.
        The moral aspect is not ready to comment, although it gives up dystopias.
        1. Machito
          Machito April 28 2020 15: 45 New
          -2
          The KGB, the MGB, the NKVD, the OGPU, and the Cheka are nervously smoking on the sidelines, envious of Putin's policemen.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus April 28 2020 16: 01 New
            +3
            In the meantime, with an abundance of "the hands of drivers" and supervisory authorities, who eat up quite well from the budget and are directly responsible for education and science, teachers are urged to "show imagination". As it turned out, the officials themselves are not able to develop a distance learning program under the current conditions.
            “This is really a problem. Each teacher himself has the opportunity today to show FANTASY, how to still work in these conditions ...
            Therefore, we made recommendations to the regional ministries of education and each school, each educational institution to review the curriculum ”
            (C), D.V. Glushko, Deputy Minister of Education of the Russian Federation

            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku April 28 2020 16: 33 New
              +3
              “This is really a problem. Each teacher himself has the opportunity today to show FANTASY, how to still work in these conditions ...

              recalls the phrase "The cat abandoned the kittens, let them solve their problems courageously themselves, as they want." what Self-remote managers of all levels! fellow shine! Just do not forget to collect taxes ... wink
              1. Lexus
                Lexus April 28 2020 16: 52 New
                +2
                Self-remote managers of all levels!

                Worms. Only rowing carcasses for themselves, eating and shitting are capable. Poisoning the once healthy "organism" with their waste products.
          2. bk316
            bk316 April 28 2020 16: 04 New
            +6
            KGB, MGB, NKVD, OGPU, VChK nervously smoking aside

            For that, the BND of the NSA and the FBI are smiling condescendingly ....
          3. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 28 2020 16: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            The KGB, the MGB, the NKVD, the OGPU, and the Cheka are nervously smoking on the sidelines, envious of Putin's policemen.

            Unfortunately, this has become a problem too! As soon as the "Putin policemen" got hooked on high technologies (among the people wiretapping, etc.), they immediately sank into live operational work with people. Not overheard, not recognized! fellow
      2. bk316
        bk316 April 28 2020 15: 42 New
        +4
        Well, what is there to enjoy?

        And you are not happy, just take it for granted. Moreover, denis is absolutely right.
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 42 New
      +4
      There is a vulnerability - for example, a mini-camera reading a task on the monitor with the subsequent broadcast of the response to the little piston in the examiner's ear - professor burdock, although the equipment is with him. Or output to some sort of extraneous display outside the range of the webcam. The first thing that came to mind. You can, in the end, connect a second monitor for a hint, at least about a wireless network. There is room for imagination.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer April 28 2020 15: 48 New
        +1
        with the subsequent broadcast of the answer to the little cap in the examiner's ear

        Ears should be visible - not obscured by hair, bandana, etc. The rule.
        There is room for imagination.

        Undoubtedly. There are no absolute defenses
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 15: 52 New
          +1
          Monitor with responses, out of range of the web. Here you cannot do without personal control. Or isolated rooms in a specially equipped "sterile zone"
          1. Engineer
            Engineer April 28 2020 15: 56 New
            0
            Monitor with answers, out of range of the web.

            There were 60 questions in my test. It happens and 100+
            How to scroll the hint on the second monitor and not to burn? )))
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 05 New
              +1
              Remote desktop for the prompt on which he will see all the questions of the test, as they are examined by the subjects. And the answers to the monitor, which will remain outside the coverage area of ​​the camera, will be issued as the test passes. Nothing complicated.
              1. Engineer
                Engineer April 28 2020 16: 09 New
                +1
                The critical moment is how sensitive the AI ​​is to deviations of the examinee's face from the initial control position. Anyway, you have to look to the side to see the tips.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 16 New
                  0
                  It is enough to change the position of the eyes without twisting the face. If the tablet on which the prompts are broadcast will be fixed on top of the monitor. Do your tests suggest a choice of a ready-made answer, or do you need to give them your own? In the first case, you will not need a monitor either, two LEDs are enough: "yes" and "no". The examinee brings the cursor to the answer option, prompting, seeing this cursor on the remote desktop, clicks the "yes" "no"
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer April 28 2020 16: 18 New
                    0
                    A third of the questions where you need to drive a phrase or word.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 23 New
                      +1
                      Then a monitor. At least in the form of a mobile phone. The required phrase can be sent through the same Votsap. And the number of the correct finished answer.
                      1. Engineer
                        Engineer April 28 2020 16: 27 New
                        +2
                        I had no doubt that there was a vulnerability. But the scheme is troublesome.
                        As they say it’s easier to learn. On the other hand, for some students not to learn this matter of principle))
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 30 New
                        +3
                        Throw ideas, I will be your tester. In general, the university has nothing to do with disinterest in education. This is not a compulsory secondary education.
                      3. Engineer
                        Engineer April 28 2020 16: 34 New
                        0
                        Here are more likely ideas for those who provide education remotely. Anti-cheating.
                        A possible antidote is to force the test subject to twist the camera before the start of the session to burn the second webcam. But I don’t remember what it was. It didn't seem to be.
                        If someone fumbles in IT, you can try to hack the browser. LockDown Browser. It is downloaded in advance. There is plenty of time to study. During the exam, take the remote control over yourself and pass it comfortably for another. I don’t know how real this is.
  • Pivot
    Pivot April 28 2020 18: 40 New
    0
    I also took the exam on a remote site, for safety reasons, there were no options to write off.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 28 2020 15: 19 New
    +6
    An important conclusion from the current situation is a simple thesis about the indispensability of the professions of the teacher. No one can fully teach remotely (how, by the way, to feed and treat) - everywhere a personal presence of a professional at the workplace is necessary. And here office plankton", which successfully and without any problems went to remote work, in fact, turned out to be especially not needed. Remove this layer in the post-coronavirus world - and nothing bad will happen. And this is the main lesson that 2020 graduates should learn when choosing a future profession.
    Everyone pulls the shirt over. The author seems to be offended that only doctors speak. And by the way, let's see what happens without "office plankton"? EVERYTHING WILL STOP. Without a combiner there will be no bread, etc. Whether you like it or not, everyone should mind their own business. And to "kick" at someone who, according to his own "understanding", is not clear, then these are his problems (problems with limited education, upbringing and just the ability to think rationally "
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 15: 38 New
      +3
      And by the way, let's see what happens without "office plankton"?

      The author is either blonde or very old. He does not understand how the economy works.
      Want a forecast from me about the post-coronavirus world?
      In the next few years, employers will do EVERYTHING to reduce the number of "personally present professionals". They have already understood that this is a risk factor for business. Therefore, there will be investments that would reduce / replace these positions.
      Moreover, I’ll say I already have a task to think about it ..... And before, I was an opponent of the development devoted, but now it’s not.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 April 28 2020 16: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: bk316
        In the next few years, employers will do EVERYTHING to reduce the number of "personally present professionals". They have already understood that this is a risk factor for business.
        In my opinion, there is a tendency towards outsourcing of "professionals". There will be short-term hiring for a specific task. In the West, the principle of a "free specialist" which does not need to be kept on the staff has long been widespread. Although there may be a problem in the absence of such a specialist at the right time.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen April 28 2020 19: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Horst78
          In my opinion there is a tendency towards outsourcing of "professionals"

          If you mean outstaffing, then today it does not quite comply with labor legislation. In the West, a slightly different model of the relationship between the employee and the employer.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 April 28 2020 19: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Hagen
            you mean outstaffing

            No, it is outsourcing. When a specialist is hired to do a specific job. For example, the difference between a lawyer and a lawyer in an organization. The first one works on a one-time basis, the other conducts daily legal support of the organization.
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 28 2020 19: 51 New
          +4
          Although there may be a problem in the absence of such a specialist at the right time.

          This is the risk.
      2. Pivot
        Pivot April 28 2020 18: 47 New
        +1
        I’ve been working on a remote business for more than 10 years, many companies need such people, after 8 years in a previous company, signed a contract with a new employer, at the end of the trial period they asked me to draw up an individual weekly work plan until the end of the year, just 6 months remained, I made a plan for the day , the employer was surprised, they said that I was the first employee to make a work plan so quickly, I did not begin to tell them that since 2007 at the end of the year I have been compiling an individual weekly plan for the next year. This is not for domestic employers, I have never worked in Russian companies.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 28 2020 15: 25 New
    12
    Because there is no persistent motive for learning.
    ... That's the whole story .. A friend of mine at a technical school on identity also says that I’m talking to myself .. There is a discount program and or a discount, I don’t remember .. He says: I’m watching, they’ve all connected .. it seems that 50 percent are not connected, well, sometimes .. During the lecture, you ask questions, don’t shout .. They seem to be listening .. but there is no one .. silence. He says you start calling family names, you reach out to someone ... Knocked out, you asked the 10th time Question .. The responder answers: Repeat the question .. That is. the fact that they don’t listen .. I ask, but they write tests .. It’s useless, if only because I intend to take pictures on such a small scale even with an increase not to consider in this discourse. They write to the e-mail, but the next day ... Naturally , all the test questions are correctly answered ... There were a lot of other things to tell .. as a result, I concluded that crap, especially in private schools ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 28 2020 15: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      ..Here and the whole story .. My friend at the technical school on identity at a distance, says I’m talking to myself.

      My son studies at the Kaliningrad Technical University, so they were given several assignments, and they do nothing else. Sits for days in the "hostel" and plays with toys, and does not leave home.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 29 2020 06: 09 New
      0
      ..... all test questions are correctly answered .....

      I imagine how happy those students are, like ---- cheated, cheated !! Maybe they make faces! This self-isolation badly affects the fragile children's mind.
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA April 28 2020 15: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: Horst78
    An important conclusion from the current situation is a simple thesis about the indispensability of the professions of the teacher. No one can fully teach remotely (how, by the way, to feed and treat) - everywhere a personal presence of a professional at the workplace is necessary. And here office plankton", which successfully and without any problems went to remote work, in fact, turned out to be especially not needed. Remove this layer in the post-coronavirus world - and nothing bad will happen. And this is the main lesson that 2020 graduates should learn when choosing a future profession.
    Everyone pulls the shirt over. The author seems to be offended that only doctors speak. And by the way, let's see what happens without "office plankton"? EVERYTHING WILL STOP. Without a combiner there will be no bread, etc. Whether you like it or not, everyone should mind their own business. And to "kick" at someone who, according to his own "understanding", is not clear, then these are his problems (problems with limited education, upbringing and just the ability to think rationally "

    I agree. Who gives the production specifications to the plant? Who finds customers? Keeps track of payments (not just bookkeeping, these mostly just grandmas count), conclude contracts? It is managers, they are, office plankton. Take them away and production will rise. There will be no orders.

    As for distance learning, the system is configurable; it is not yet designed for a huge number of connected ones. Servers are falling, my son today could not pass a single test (grade 9), transferred. Moscow and Moscow region work in the zoom program. Both my son and daughter are trained in this way. But this is certainly not a substitute for full-time study at all. This is an extreme measure.
  • Tests
    Tests April 28 2020 15: 37 New
    +7
    Dear author! My wife, a teacher in Severodvinsk, has started 4 weeks of remote work today. Severodvinsk is considered the most affluent city in the region in the Arkhangelsk region - there is a state defense order. But we have both drinkers and nonsense smokers, and parents of schoolchildren driving through their veins, after all, the State Drug Control Service was dispersed, children, of course, do not have the Internet. Schools, on average, have the Internet, but this is on average. My wife has all the magazines at home filling out in the evenings. At school, the Internet is barely alive and there is no computer, she will have time to write something from the phone, but she has 1,3 rates, six days, because there are no people who want to go to school to work ... From April 07 to April 17, platforms like "Diary.ru" hung up. Until 12 at night, in fact, homework is sent to his wife on the phone. Some parents write through "VKontakte" ... I chuckled the other day, they say email. the energy for April of our apartment will be paid by the native Department of Education (due to snow charges, when the visibility dropped to 100 meters, the table lamp, count from 09 to 23 o'clock, everything was on), or as daughter's prizes at international competitions of student work (video and music center) that you have been using it for free at school for many years, will they forgive? The wife replied that teachers all over the country are discussing these questions on their websites, but Mishustin is silent WHY ABOUT teacher support ... Here I sent the intermediate certification assignments for 3 class parallels, from May 05 they will start checking ... Schoolchildren and parents want them one - as soon as possible to school, and they call and write ... And the region, with ice drifts and floods now, unemployment both official and latent, for the last almost 30 years, lives more fun than Severodvinsk, many parents have no work, what is computer for a child? What is the Internet? At the same time, on the right bank of the Northern Dvina and on the left bank of Onega, patients and carriers of the coronavirus were not identified, as well as along the banks of the Pinega and Mezen. But - self-isolation ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 15: 45 New
      -4
      Internet is barely alive at school

      4G to help you .......
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 28 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    in Russia, remote forms of education in the school environment have not taken root.

    Nevertheless, Valentina Matvienko and the Minister of Education "drown" schools for remote control in the future.
    1. BIABIA
      BIABIA April 28 2020 15: 44 New
      +7
      God forbid. Nothing can replace full-time study.
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 28 2020 15: 52 New
        +6
        Nothing can replace full-time study.

        No need to replace, need to be supplemented.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 April 28 2020 15: 52 New
        +3
        After the appearance of the Unified State Exam, the quality of education has fallen dramatically, and now, if they want distance education, then it is kaput. Although they can achieve this. Real education will remain for the "elite", the rest somehow.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 28 2020 16: 19 New
          -1
          After the appearance of the Unified State Examination, corruption among university teachers and school teachers has greatly decreased. Buying a passing score is now very, very difficult.
    2. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 15: 51 New
      +1
      Nevertheless, Valentina Matvienko and the Minister of Education "drown" schools for remote control in the future.

      This is just a hype the same as that of a Gordon Nicholas. Well, fashionable ....
      Although it was necessary to equip schools with technical means for a long time, so that Eugenia from Severodvinsk would not cry ..... laughing
  • Tests
    Tests April 28 2020 15: 54 New
    +4
    bk316 (Vladimir), dear, I’m not at all the head of the Education Department of Severodvinsk, my surname is never Popa, and even I am not GMO Severodvinsk, my surname is never Skubenko (not long ago - the Minister of Education of the Arkhangelsk Region, and before this appointment - economist and head of the planning and economic department of the Education Department of Severodvinsk) ... The teacher is obliged to take the CAM journal to the teacher’s office, to transfer the journal to the students, prepare a whiteboard and visual aids in the office, and it’s not a sin to go to the toilet and find time dine on me ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 16: 02 New
      -3
      The teacher is obliged to take a break at:

      What are you doing? You whine that the Internet is barely breathing.
      And you have a 4G zone, I checked the whole city.
      I am now 15 km from the nearest city and 350 from Moscow. 30 point video conferences are flying.
      The devastation is in her head ....... In yours and in Skubenkovskaya probably too.

      It’s hard to keep the video lessons out of the habit of not telling me, I taught them 20 years ago laughing And rejoice that you have few sick - I already have a lot of friends at death.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 28 2020 16: 18 New
    +5
    We start with remote teachers and students, and then gradually move on to remote bus drivers, pilots, sailors, infantrymen, airborne paratroopers, sellers, and doctors (here dentists come first). And the crown of evolution is the remote deputies of the State Duma and the Federal Assembly. AND FINALLY remote SAM.
    PS Those who follow sports news are no longer surprised by remote hockey, football, basketball, tennis.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy April 28 2020 21: 48 New
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      And where can I find all the teeth?
      So - unemployment!)))
  • Sunstorm
    Sunstorm April 28 2020 16: 19 New
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    Meanwhile, the "Last Liberal of Europe" AHL ... drives children to schools, I read you and envy you with this terrible tyranny .... And at a distance, in the Russian Federation, it was at least introduced by the ministry ... in the Republic of Belarus .... ..volunteers, teachers, on their own initiative .. and the Ministry for 3 weeks ..... was silent in a rag and at the end of the first educational program stated ... "we don't need a distance, it is not in the education code ... lead everyone to school, who will not come .. non-certification "and then added" that your children have been studying remotely for a week?, well, how would it be your personal problems "
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios April 28 2020 16: 35 New
    +4
    New technologies, remote learning - all this is good and wonderful in its own way. In a pure theory. And here is some real practice. It was in Ukraine, but purely technically - the situation is the same as in Russia.
    So. I have two younger twin sons, this year they are finishing school, they are thinking of proceeding further. And they, like air, need these same scores for ZNO (it is VNO, external independent evaluation, an analog of your USE). The graduation class, but the school (not even a school, but a whole lyceum - such as a super school, with an improved technical base, strengthened order and cool teachers) drove the children home and, in fact, did not give any assignments all this month. Another point: we have been living in the village for two years. And a significant part of the students of the lyceum are just the same, rural residents. The school week they lived in a hostel at the Lyceum, on weekends - at home.
    Just yesterday it was. The time 17:50 calls my wife their class, blah blah, and you know that today is a geographic control? And it is necessary to do this control online on some website of the regional administration before 19:00. To the wife’s question - why did they report so late - the classroom teacher says something inarticulate, they say, she only found out at 12 in the morning, only recently posted the information on the lyceum’s website, and at about 17:00 the classroom threw this news to the class group in vibera, I thought - you somehow already learned, blah blah ...
    Goofy ... Running to my guys - they were just washing themselves in the bathhouse, they say, was an emergency !. They jumped out in a couple of minutes, phoned the classroom, found out the address of the link, went to the site - and there ... that's all. It turns out that everything had to be handed over before 18:00 !!! Flying Already the wife is calling the classroom, that really something bleats slurred, they say, she did not know, did not think, and generally not at work.
    A nuance: our Internet, as in many villages around, is fig and buggy. Who has it;) It's almost impossible to go to the Internet from the phone, even to look at the news. Viber installed on computers stopped starting three days ago, crashed with an error (I was wildly perverted on my computer, but I only managed to start the old version of Viber. All correspondence and some of the contacts were gone :(.) That is, my guys did not even see messages from the teacher (which was "released" late anyway).
    Results: the guys for the test by "1", more than half of the class - the same, in the span mostly - "villagers". You can't retake, teachers don't take your phone, you can't come to the lyceum for a showdown - quarantine. And the excuse at the Lyceum - they say, so their regional administration strained.
    Why am I in such detail? The best initiative can easily break into the technological base and the really dullness of sleepy teachers, coupled with officials from education.
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 28 2020 16: 55 New
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    His wife teaches piano at the College of Music. I expropriated a 4G smartphone with a "Harman Kardon" speaker, from a car holder on a suction cup organized the video to the desired angle, closed the curtains (frontal light), turn on the chandelier from 10.00 to 19-20 pm on Saturdays and a little more on Sunday. Via Watsap. We send scans of notes there, record the accompaniment for conducting, receive videos from those. tests (either upside down, or in a mirror image - I paste, edit, unfold), prepare reports on classes for the management.
    The Internet is good, on the part of students - in different ways. Well, almost everyone at home has a tool who does not have a problem (however, there are those who do not have a smartphone, also a problem). More than a month like that.
    Everything seems to be normal, only these are individual lessons, but how will they master the game in the orchestra?
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios April 28 2020 17: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: faterdom
    but how will they master the game in the orchestra?

    Recently a feature appeared on the vibeber - a group call is called. That is, all members of a separate group / community can simultaneously chat / ring / shove on the violin and tyd;)
    I did not check, there was no need, but the name and description of the feature was remembered)
    1. faterdom
      faterdom April 28 2020 17: 30 New
      +2
      The orchestra (with the exception of Krylov's fable) needs synchronization. Unfortunately, current programs and networks do not provide it in any way; there are quite noticeable delays in both sound and video. There are examples on the net of professional orchestras from apartments, but these are separately recorded parts glued into one video.
      This is in addition to such things as the quality of microphones, audio DACs / ADCs, acoustic characteristics of rooms, and so on.
      So, before this, our progress has not yet matured.
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 28 2020 18: 47 New
    +2
    The problem of the unmotivated is the problem of the unmotivated ... there is nothing for them to do at the university then, in general, it is high time to reduce the number of budget places and increase the cost, otherwise we will get crusts of economists and lawyers for 50k per year ... Now we have increased the number of targeted places and budget ones , in medunivers and that ... a complete collapse will come when they all start to be released .. and go to work.
    And about the ege ... well, so you can break the change for the whole day ... different days .. limit the number of those who rent in classrooms, schools ... and so that the options do not merge ... just make a base of 10k questions for each subject (on logic and think can be composed a lot, if wisely), and randomly collect options for each city, down to school. Again, if not laziness and wisely.
    About common platforms ... well, it’s debatable .. and debatable how to organize. Come up with a new skype, discord, etc.? (relatively speaking). Moreover, it is better to look for information in several sources.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy April 28 2020 22: 10 New
      +1
      Right! The best job as a watchman in two places! What difference does it make where to sleep at home or at work! 20 or even 30 and even more from two places are provided (100 percent)! For the province, just "chocolate" And no remote control, it is harmful)) Your own garden garage with a mini laboratory for research with machine tools and welding tools for the soul and pampering! This is true development! What else does a person need? And all these outsourcing supervisors, background vatsap scans, verification and other words harmful to the brain, you just need to throw out! "Cleanse yourself from filth" so to speak)))
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 29 2020 11: 02 New
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      In many cases, you just need to generally reduce the number of any places, both paid and budget. I also understand those. who received a budget education, but works on a different profile. But I don’t know what people think when, having unlearned on a paid basis, they don’t work in their specialty. Or they work in a specialty that does not require higher education at all.
  • Tests
    Tests April 28 2020 19: 18 New
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    bk316 (Vladimir), my dear, did you receive a psychiatrist diploma at the institute of the Moscow School of Psychiatry or St. Petersburg? Maybe your diploma from the University of Tartu? Famously you make diagnoses about the head! ... As my godchildren used to say: "You said! Are you responsible for the market?"
    I quote you: "What are you talking about? You whine that the Internet is barely breathing." I answer your question: for those who for some reason have forgotten, or did not know the duties of a high school teacher at recess, I have to recall some of the duties of a teacher at recess. Do not take it for work, explain with what words I "whine" about the fact that "the Internet is barely breathing" when and where exactly.
    I know theoretically and practically about the coverage of 4G territory of the Arkhangelsk region by different companies - mobile operators.
    About the fact: "It's hard to lead video lessons from being unaccustomed to lead, you can not tell me," - I did not tell this and was not going to tell you, although I taught them 22 years ago.
    "And rejoice that you have a few sick people - I already have a lot of acquaintances at death." - fortunately, I am not a landowner, I have neither healthy nor sick serfs, and I am not the chief physician, in whose institution infectious patients with coronavirus and high body temperature were found.
    Did a bunch of your friends die after a traffic accident involving public transport?
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 20: 04 New
      +4
      Do not take it for work, explain with what words I "whine" about the fact that "the Internet is barely breathing" when and where exactly.

      Here. Do not you read yourself?
      At school, the Internet is barely alive and there is no computer;


      although I led them 22 years ago.
      Wow, where did you teach video lessons in 98?

      Did a bunch of your friends die after a traffic accident involving public transport?

      Are you kidding or dumb? As a result of the epidemic, I live in Moscow.
  • iouris
    iouris April 28 2020 19: 58 New
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    Nothing new is happening. The school was and remains "at a distance".
    Germany became Germany thanks to the German teacher and the German education system that the Bolsheviks introduced in "impoverished and illiterate Russia."
    If the state has a future, then this will be very noticeable in the state of the education system. Everything is obvious.
  • Alexey Z
    Alexey Z April 28 2020 20: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    The teacher is obliged to take a break at:

    What are you doing? You whine that the Internet is barely breathing.
    And you have a 4G zone, I checked the whole city.
    I am now 15 km from the nearest city and 350 from Moscow. 30 point video conferences are flying.
    The devastation is in her head ....... In yours and in Skubenkovskaya probably too.

    It’s hard to keep the video lessons out of the habit of not telling me, I taught them 20 years ago laughing And rejoice that you have few sick - I already have a lot of friends at death.

    7 km from Chelyabinsk. No Internet. "Ural" near Kremenkul.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 28 2020 22: 57 New
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      7 km from Chelyabinsk. No Internet. "Ural" near Kremenkul.

      Happy for you.
      Why did you write this?
      Do you think that Severodvinsk is near Chelyabinsk?
      Just no one to talk to?
      Do you want any advice?

      If you need to learn the first, if the second I did not have so many meetings today before communication.
      If the third, look at satellite Internet from MTS. Must take throughout the Chelyabinsk region. Speed ​​like 4G will not, but bearable. If you give the exact address, I'll probably tell you and there are different solutions for 4G. and in Kremenkul a honeycomb stands.
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse April 29 2020 01: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    Because there is no persistent motive for learning.
    ... That's the whole story .. A friend of mine at a technical school on identity also says that I’m talking to myself .. There is a discount program and or a discount, I don’t remember .. He says: I’m watching, they’ve all connected .. it seems that 50 percent are not connected, well, sometimes .. During the lecture, you ask questions, don’t shout .. They seem to be listening .. but there is no one .. silence. He says you start calling family names, you reach out to someone ... Knocked out, you asked the 10th time Question .. The responder answers: Repeat the question .. That is. the fact that they don’t listen .. I ask, but they write tests .. It’s useless, if only because I intend to take pictures on such a small scale even with an increase not to consider in this discourse. They write to the e-mail, but the next day ... Naturally , all the test questions are correctly answered ... There were a lot of other things to tell .. as a result, I concluded that crap, especially in private schools ...

    And who said that the state is interested in the majority being well educated. They will leave full-time education in the normal format for the elites. And the rest will study like that. Easier to manage. All this is very sad.
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse April 29 2020 01: 06 New
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    Quote: 16112014nk
    in Russia, remote forms of education in the school environment have not taken root.

    Nevertheless, Valentina Matvienko and the Minister of Education "drown" schools for remote control in the future.

    Who would doubt that...
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  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael April 29 2020 09: 43 New
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    As a person with two higher and a bunch of additional courses and education I’ll say that no distance learning will ever be better than full-time education, especially in the technical and natural sciences. Studying in absentia and remotely, it's like licking honey through glass. As a father of three children, I’ll say correspondence education with us. Well, and HELL, everything was reset to parents, the school took upon itself only the verification of work and urging and threatening parents ... By the way, well, I understood the price of our teachers. I am not surprised at their role in the election. Children work on 4 resources at the same time (in different subjects). Sections and circles do not replace the remote at all. This is an imitation of violent activity - this is not learning. But the most ridiculous and terrible thing is that Ming education and schools and teachers take these miserable activities seriously. Yes, this can be a good addition to full-time education, but not its replacement. For my school for distance, I put a solid TWO. The most disgusting thing is that because of these lovers to imitate work and curry favor with superiors, we spoil relations with our children, which are more dear to us than ten thousand teachers and schools with their ridiculous ratings. By the way, our life history schools continue to study garbage disposal, although life history students now need a completely different topic ...
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri April 29 2020 13: 17 New
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    It is the easiest way to translate education into a "remote format" (except for workshops). I don't understand "crying and suffering."
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 29 2020 14: 43 New
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    It's a pity ... the "distant" is so loaded that it's difficult to even read the author and view the comments ...
    I’ll say as a practitioner.
    1) Without "living" teachers, no more than a third of the students can learn. But a third will be able to!
    2) For introverts who are hard of hearing / seeing, distant is convenient. They are now ahead of chatty but less patient comrades.
    3) For those who wish (!!!) to study now there are no big problems: a convenient schedule, paper and downloaded textbooks, a sea of ​​literature, illustrations, a giant database of training tasks. Just - study !! ... And from 20 to 80% (depending on the class) study even better.
    4) The problems of technology are greatly exaggerated. Even in the Crimean steppes and mountains, 90% of families have equipment and communications. Diary.Ru is already working stably. For self-education there is an excellent NES.
    5) There is only one problem (!!!!!!) - the depressing self-organization of many students and the parental indifference.
    6) For teachers, the problem remains the same (a legion of examiners, "helpers," "consultants," "methodologists," and so on. "Well-wishers" interfere very much with the process). The sense from this "help" is less than zero. And it seems that tens of thousands of "educational" structures are simply confused by their suddenly discovered uselessness. These "hares who teach to drown" just got sick ...
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 4 May 2020 17: 18 New
    +1
    Dalenka puts an end to the school, which, in addition to subjects, teaches socialization, i.e., collectivism, i.e. partnership, i.e. friendship. Without which man is not Man.
    BUT, "divide and conquer ..." in action.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 May 2020 22: 48 New
    +2
    Why didn’t they take root?
    According to the media, this is our everything!
    Nicherta kids don’t know, yes! I was convinced the other day.
    But you understand: coronavirus, etc ...
    In general, I was personally harassed by a belt for not densely studying at MBOU (as it is now called). And very tightly.
    Immediately, sadness receded, and the anguish passed for some reason ...
    Even right now ... As I recall maman .. So startled! ...
    And it has become necessary to say a very professional professional. How could it be otherwise under such control ?!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 5 May 2020 00: 35 New
      +1
      Yes Yes. Tamara Alekseevna, you will not forget.
      A very harsh woman however.
      For which - many human thanks to her. hi