"Su-24 - Russian deception": Polish media about the superiority of the US Navy destroyers




The Russians once again sent their Su-24 aircraft to an American missile destroyer such as Arleigh Burke. In the Russian Federation and Western media, actions of this kind are considered a demonstration of strength. However, when comparing the combat capabilities of the US Navy ships and the "attacking" pennants of bombers, they should be considered as a demonstration of stupidity. This opinion was expressed by the Polish edition Defence24.

"Imaginary threat from the air"


According to him, the Russians regularly try to pose a threat to American ships from the air, considering the low span over them as skill, strength and pride. On April 17, they once again tried to repeat a similar maneuver in the waters of the Baltic, when two Belgian F-16s intercepted a pair of Su-24s trying to get closer to the Donald Cook destroyer of the Arleigh Burke type.

Earlier, on April 12, 2014, this pennant was already “attacked” by the Su-24, which supposedly used the Khibiny electronic warfare, disabling the ship’s radar.

This information turned out to be a pure hoax, which the Russians invented, and later reproduced on the Internet and on television in the Russian Federation

- notes the Polish edition.

As she believes, "rumors about the inefficiency of American destroyers that you can allegedly drop in with such ease and, therefore, theoretically, destroy" are causing great harm.


Donald Cook


“Su-24 is a great Russian deception”


Production of the Su-24 started in 1971, and since Defense24 believes that it has the same equipment: 8 tons of bombs and missiles (in the Su-24M version), a 23-mm cannon, Orion-M combat radar ( with a range of 150 km), radar warning of exposure to SPO-15C "Birch", station active interference "Gardenia". Modernization concerned only navigation and identification systems, the publication suggests.

Flights of the Su-24 over destroyers such as Arleigh Burke should be considered by American sailors only as a tourist attraction [...] their place in the museum

- considers Defense24.

As noted, the low approach of the Su-24 is not terrible for the pennants of the U.S. Navy, as they are accompanied by AWACS aircraft, shining through the air the entire route of the enemy or missiles fired by him. But the destroyers are able to cope on their own, having "the world's best naval combat system AEGIS."

Su-24s can fly over American ships not because they are so good and the pilots who control them are so well trained, but because the Americans allow them to

- concludes the Polish edition of the clear superiority of the US Navy destroyers.

However, it is indicated that in the Baltic and in the Black Sea, the coastal-based anti-ship complexes “Ball” and “Bastion” pose a much greater threat to American ships.

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  1. novel66 April 27 2020 10: 35 New
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    routine .. they brazenly climb to our shores, we pretend to scare them, garbage question
    1. Insurgent April 27 2020 11: 08 New
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      Quote: novel xnumx
      routine .. they brazenly climb to our shores, we pretend to scare them, garbage question

      Bullshit, but a "likely enemy", and after six years, sausages from the triumphant shame of the USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) ...

      And the Poles ... The Poles are also scared.
      Something with my memory has become
      All that was not with me - I remember.




      HELLO, CHEF! EVERYTHING LOST, EVERYTHING LOST!
      1. Maks1995 April 27 2020 11: 18 New
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        But, in fact, it's all a fantasy. Here there was a debriefing in VO, an aunt was found on the Internet, who invented it all.
        Not a single reference to Western media is provided. Recently watched.

        After Cook, the same thing was written about at least one more destroyer (he’s like in the World Cup now), but already more confused and stupid.
        1. Insurgent April 27 2020 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Max1995
          But, in fact, it's all a fantasy. Here there was a debriefing in VO, an aunt was found on the Internet, who invented it all.

          On the network, in VO, it is also possible that the “Boeing” MN-17 (shot down by air defense / fighter / detonated) was also “dismantled” from us ...

          So what ? Did it somehow shed light on the hidden? And what kind of "uncle-aunts" were not involved from all interested parties ...
          Quote: Max1995
          Not a single reference to Western media is provided. Recently watched.


          Is it really customary to blow this whole world? And actually, according to recent information dosed by the Russian side, Cook's problems arose not from exposure to the Su-24, but because of the use of electronic warfare from the coast of Crimea ...

          “Rusty Russian Su-24,” with its span, only morally finished off the helpless destroyer command ...
          1. Charik April 27 2020 12: 48 New
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            that's about how some container was able to drown out ship electronics - the option of ground-based eb is more real
            1. vikot9 April 27 2020 17: 03 New
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              There wasn’t any electronic warfare at all, this is a fictional nonsense
          2. figwam April 27 2020 13: 27 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Rusty Russian Su-24, with its span, only mentally finished off the helpless destroyer team ...

            Namely, they were jammed by modern systems, but they can be destroyed by an old bomber, the Yanks were shown what would happen to them in reality, but apparently they do not understand, stupid.
          3. Maks1995 April 27 2020 13: 36 New
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            Wah! This is great ... yes, yes, Ukrainians call it overpower!

            From the shore !! Soak your EW destroyer somewhere near the center of the World Cup !!! Yes, and disguise it as EW Su !!! Yes, so that they all wrote down tearful letters and were covered with horror! Yes, so that no one has noticed this, except cheers-media !!
            In general, a great breakthrough.

            No wonder the breakthrough began to multiply.

            The destroyer "Porter" later, read on the Internet, it already displayed 3 SU, with the same result - electronic warfare, letters, dismissals in tears, and no one except ura-smi did not notice, even the Chinese ...
          4. seregatara1969 April 27 2020 21: 46 New
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            In the war, the U-2 became a formidable night bomber. It terrified the enemy, and the Su-24 was older. Ukrainians out of the maxim still bullet. Here the price + efficiency is important
      2. Grigory_45 April 27 2020 19: 21 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        after six years, sausages from the triumphant shame of the USS Donald Cook

        "Shame Cook" only in your fantasies. There was nothing but a banal flyby of the ship. Do not carry and never carried the Su-24 "Khibiny" ...
        And no one in the world, except for Russian media of a certain sense, "Cook's shame" did not notice ...
      3. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 01: 36 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Bullshit, but a "likely enemy", and after six years, sausages from the triumphant shame of the USS Donald Cook (DDG-75).

        This shameful comedy with Kukk, Sushka and Khibiny is a good indicator of the adequacy, or awareness, of those who constantly lurking on this topic. And if a person is adequate and not a nerd, but still fools people with fairy tales about "dismissal of frightened sailors from Cook after the incident with Su24 and Khibiny, which the Su-24 never had, but which drowned a radar the size of Khrushchev," then apparently the work such, otherwise the motivation is not clear. It is unclear what is the shame of the Cook team, why should they be sausage? What did not bring down Drying? For those who give such orders, to arrange an air show for American sailors, risking the lives of both Drying pilots and Cook sailors, the prison is crying, as for me. Moreover, such maneuvers is a violation of the treaty between the USSR and the USA since the 70s, after a Soviet aircraft crashed into the water in front of the eyes of American sailors in a similar show.
        1. novel66 April 28 2020 10: 36 New
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          Tu-16, by the way, 9 crew members
    2. avg
      avg April 27 2020 12: 11 New
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      We not only scare them, we train, we are looking for vulnerabilities in AEGIS.
      low flying Su-24 is not terrible pennants of the U.S. Navy, as they are accompanied by AWACS aircraft, shining through the air the entire route of the enemy or missiles fired by him.

      Is our Su-24 alone fighting with all of NATO?
      Su-24s can fly over American ships ... because Americans allow them to

      So the Americans roam the Baltic only because we are not opposing.
      [...] their place in the museum

      The entire Polish bomber fleet -120 fighter-bomber Su-22 with a coefficient of g.G. 0.3-04. Something "a great Polish genius" for all the years has not created anything of its own.
      In a word: "Poles are such Poles ..." wink
      1. novel66 April 27 2020 12: 25 New
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        the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie
        1. Charik April 27 2020 12: 50 New
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          with a dozen with any long-range
          1. novel66 April 27 2020 12: 53 New
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            given the amount of air defense equipment on board - I doubt very much
            1. Charik April 27 2020 13: 03 New
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              Perhaps something will go out of pieces 20-X59 of some kind of modification, they seem to be low-profile, maybe they maneuver?
            2. Charik April 27 2020 17: 14 New
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              96 cells-3 cells of each launcher are used under the crane to reload units, reducing the total number of cells available for missiles by 6 units — that is, 90 — let's say half the air defense — 40-50pcs SM, I think pieces 30-40PCR — will be a problem for Burke- and this is 20pcs-Su24, but here he was defeated by one laughing
              1. Mimoprohodil April 27 2020 21: 00 New
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                it is possible to put 1 RIM-4 ESSM in 162 cell. There will then be 30 SM-6 and 80 ESSM, instead of 50 SM-6
                1. Charik April 27 2020 21: 58 New
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                  ohhh actually then how many PCRs in one salvo do you need to deal with Burke? or they’ll kill Cook in the Baltic for a week, then first X25mi from two Su24-the first video from F16 — where he flew to Cook and there are two more Dry hawks , today CookBird has already drowned 2 x35mi wassat
                  1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 03: 33 New
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                    Quote: Charik
                    ohhh actually then how many pcr in one salvo do you need to deal with burke?

                    You overestimate the abilities of Amer’s weapons !!! wink lol
                    1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 03 New
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                      I’m overestimating, I think it's quite early that the Su24 can not oppose Burke in the context of the described situation, even at extremely low altitudes, at least from maximum range am
                      1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 44 New
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                        Quote: Charik
                        I think

                        It's your problems!!! wink laughing
                      2. Charik April 28 2020 17: 58 New
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                        it's not my problem that the ship is stronger than the plane laughing wassat
            3. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 01: 49 New
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              Quote: Charik
              I think 30-40PCR pieces will be a problem for Burke, and this is 20pcs-Su24, but here he was defeated by one

              And do you think that in the case of a serious mess, this Cook will walk alone on the seas? The USA has only 100 of them, additionally Tikhonderogs and a bunch of all sorts of others, as part of the AUG. Cook will see Sushka’s approach long before she can launch a rocket at him, not only thanks to her radars, but also to the AWACS or other AWACS radars. So if you are going to sink one destroyer with 20 suicide bombers on the Su24, then what do you send to another ten other ships?
              1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 07 New
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                Alexander Mosin-you read what people talk about? One on one, who-who? Burke vs Su24
                1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 13: 53 New
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                  But this is nonsense, such a situation will never happen, except that the MO decides in peacetime to send Sushka to bomb the destroyer, which does not suspect anything.
                  1. ultra April 28 2020 15: 35 New
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                    In the case of a serious mess, nuclear warheads will fly in both directions. And neither drying nor burki will be needed.
                  2. Charik April 28 2020 18: 00 New
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                    So Su24 flew to Burke, and some say everything - hypothetically, he is killed
            4. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 07: 58 New
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              Quote: Charik
              96 cells-3 cells of each launcher are used under the crane to reload units, reducing the total number of cells available for missiles by 6 units — that is, 90 — let's say half the air defense — 40-50pcs SM, I think pieces 30-40PCR will be a problem for Burke

              actually less. AN / SPY-1 can simultaneously direct missiles at 18 targets. Nevertheless, the rate of fire is not unlimited. Although technically Burke can launch missiles at intervals of a second, this applies only to a salvo of 16 missiles. The number of missiles currently at the final section of the trajectory cannot exceed three units (by the number of target illumination radars) - i.e. you will have to wait for a hit (or miss) to release the guidance channels and evaluate the effectiveness of the shooting. It takes some time to prepare the data for launching the next missiles.
              In addition, the decimeter AN / SPY-1 does not really favor ultra-low altitudes.

              If the attack is carried out from a relatively short distance (thereby reducing the flying time of the attacking missiles), at low altitudes, and even from different angles, when active interference is involved, Burke will be very hard.
              Phalanx pieces are accurate, with their own radar, but the small firing range and 20 mm BOSP do not always allow you to cope with your task. There is a known case when a rocket struck by ZAK fire (or rather, its fragments) reached the ship and the superstructure was crushed.
              1. Charik April 28 2020 18: 04 New
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                Yes, you can kill one X22 either, or I don’t remember those with the armored head P500 or 700, Grigory_45 - well, they immediately whitened him with one Su24
          2. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 03: 34 New
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            given the amount of air defense equipment on board - I doubt very much

            who said that it is effective ?? !!! wink will be happy if a couple of rockets take off at least ?? !!! wassat
            1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 10 New
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              the same thing can be said about RCC, who said that they are effective? -Will we be glad if both start with 24 or two and the water does not fall?
            2. novel66 April 28 2020 10: 32 New
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              Kolyunchik! hi periodically allowed, and, interestingly, get
              1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 46 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                Kolyunchik! hi periodically allowed, and, interestingly, get

                If the current is not where it was necessary !!! lol
              2. Charik April 28 2020 18: 13 New
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                oh well, Nikolai Grek on the Su24 will surely approach the launch distance, that there you can throw it with the Su24 in Burka, and Burke is cardboard or air defense or radar and in general they can be heated in batches wassat
        2. Boratsagdiev April 27 2020 21: 15 New
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          Not so simple.
          As their teachings show, even with the probability of 100% working out of the ship’s air defense, "spotted-hit-shot down" - there is no guarantee that the debris from the "carcass" of the rocket will not reach its target.
          Yes, and "incidents" have a place to be in life.
          1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 21: 27 New
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            There was a target drone stuck in the superstructure of Burke
            1. Charik April 27 2020 22: 00 New
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              I saw a photo where the training torpedo in the submarine was stuck
      2. avg
        avg April 27 2020 13: 28 New
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        Here, like that of the Crimean woman, the daughter of an officer, everything is not so clear. yes The leading role in such a battle will be played by the organization of interaction.
        Who will find the destroyer and will direct the Su-24 (satellite, ground-based radar, ship, plane. Helicopter), whose electronic warfare will work, weather, skill, and so on. How many planes attack, who supports.
        The well-known vulnerability of the IJIS is that the radars operate in the decimeter range, the radio waves reflect well from the surface of the sea, and the system is "lost" at very low altitudes. This is where the “Khibiny” and not only should work. And the X-35U (standard for the Su-24) in the final section of the trajectory fly at an altitude of 3-5 m, it can shoot from 260 km, the GOS captures the target from 50 km. 2x missed missiles Kuku enough.
        1. novel66 April 27 2020 13: 44 New
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          subsonic and phalanxes can be shot down
          1. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 13: 48 New
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            You will first find them to bring down.
            1. novel66 April 27 2020 13: 58 New
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              if Cook walks somewhere, it means that Avax hangs nearby, he will find ..
              1. Protos April 27 2020 15: 38 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                if Cook walks somewhere, it means that Avax hangs nearby, he will find ..

                At 67 ArlyB 30 combat-ready E-3 Sentry bully
                1. Charik April 27 2020 22: 31 New
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                  et only for amers? and for the allies, and the little ones from Avik Hokai, so estimate that for every Burke enough
            2. Charik April 27 2020 22: 28 New
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              You start them first, so that you don’t understand where to wait
          2. avg
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            Aegis leads them too.
            1. novel66 April 27 2020 13: 57 New
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              they seem to have their own locator
              1. Insurgent April 27 2020 14: 03 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                they seem to have their own locator

                This is the one that also Was EW Suppressed Or Another?

                Actually, after a certain impact of electronic warfare and emergency blackout of the systems and the impossibility of restoring their working capacity, the Stinger MANPADS will remain on the cookie from the working air defense ...
                1. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 06 New
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                  X-35, as far as I know, has no REB
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                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    X-35, as far as I know, has no REB

                    Why did she need her? Should other systems do this electronic suppression work?
                    1. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 10 New
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                      from what distance ???
                    2. Insurgent April 27 2020 14: 13 New
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                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      from what distance ???

                      Do not know request But you ask the Russian Defense Ministry, they know for surefrom what distance и than was "cut down" Kukish 12.04.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX ...
                    3. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 14 New
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                      I would say if it was cut down? sucked already .. fake smacks of
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                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      I would say if it was cut down? sucked already .. fake smacks of

                      That's it,suckedwithout having enough information.
                      After all, the RF Ministry of Defense has just begun to “reveal” the details in which the Su-24 became only an extras that appeared over Cook's lifeless carcass in the final scene ...

                      Do not believe your army?
                    5. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 22 New
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                      I believe in the laws of physics
                    6. Insurgent April 27 2020 14: 29 New
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                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      I believe in the laws of physics

                      Reasonable position yes

                      And proceeding from it, let's try to understand the background of the question.
                      For example, at the beginning of the twentieth century, physicists, having basic knowledge of the fundamental theory of radio wave propagation (unshakable so far), could have clearly realistically imagined an over-the-horizon radar (for example, Don-2n)?

                    7. Victor_B April 27 2020 19: 38 New
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                      Quote: Insurgent
                      could clearly imaginehorizontal radar (for example, Don-2n) ?

                      Don is never over the horizon!
                      (Careful! Careful!)
                      appointment
                      Outer space control in Russia and the Commonwealth countries, detection of ballistic missile attacks, their escort and anti-missile guidance.
                    8. Boratsagdiev April 27 2020 21: 22 New
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                      Or maybe you don’t need to go so deep into the jungle? ...
                      Maybe everything is easier with electronic warfare? and just ask the Israeli guests how some systems work for them (in the same Syria).
                      They do not stupidly stifle, but clog them with false goals ... and the system does not cope and freezes (or reacts to something wrong and wrong).
                      I look already many have forgotten such a name - "jammer".
                    9. novel66 April 28 2020 10: 35 New
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                      yes, the missiles painfully smart went, learned to rebuild
                  2. hydrox April 28 2020 17: 13 New
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                    At the beginning of the 20th century, A.S.Popov only discovered the attenuation of r / waves during the passage of the ship between the signal source and the receiver, and at that time there was not even at least some theory, and not that fundamental - be afraid of Gd! laughing
              2. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 02: 57 New
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                Quote: Insurgent
                Do not believe your army?

                Do not believe in the ravings about the Khibin on the Su24 and that the Cook radar was suppressed by some mysterious electronic warfare, and other similar fantasies, then you are the 5th convoy, Russophobe and foreign agent, because the officers serve in the army (especially in the press center of the Russian Ministry of Defense), honor and all that, but they will never lie, Generalissimo Shoigu will not let you lie!
  • avg
    avg April 27 2020 14: 06 New
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    Aegis - BIUS controls everything.
    1. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 10 New
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      Well, I don’t know, we were taught that they have a regime of their own guidance, they are looking for a target and when they are found they open fire
      1. avg
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        They can do it themselves. If the memory doesn’t change, they “see from 15-20 km” but for this they need to be switched to independent mode and then they interfere with Aegis and the reaction time increases. Over in Missouri Iraq slept two missiles. In general, Aegis does not work well in a tight warrant.
    2. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 15 New
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      Quote: avg
      Aegis - BIUS controls everything

      Phalanxes can work automatically. ZAK provides an autonomous search and detection of targets in the designated shooting sector, assessment of the degree of their threat, selection of the most dangerous target, capture, tracking and determination of its movement parameters, firing, automatic shooting adjustment, ceasefire (after hitting a target or leaving the firing sector ), search and capture a new target.
      1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 13 New
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        It’s not even a bad zak, but! Some say that the Pkr goes so low that the Phalanx can’t fire at it, I’m just xs.
        1. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 21: 51 New
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          Quote: Charik
          It’s not even a bad zak, but! Some say that the PKR is so low that the Phalanx can’t fire at it

          honestly, I haven’t heard of this. Phalanxes (like all similar ZAK) are used including for firing at surface targets - mines, boats, etc. True, in manual mode with the installation guidance on the TV-sight.

          The Phalanx is not the best, but it is far from an outsider. Good firing accuracy (due to digital drives, algorithms for issuing data for firing and installing a gun and guidance system on a single platform), but a relatively low rate of fire and a small affected area - if the missile is not shot down in the first bursts, it has a chance to cause damage to the ship. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why these systems are gradually removed from the ships - the last Burks go without the Phalanx, the Israelis change their system on their ships (for SAM), develop larger-caliber and quick-fire systems (such as the Goalkeeper)
          In addition, there were cases of unauthorized machine gun firing - during the Persian Gulf war, trying to bring down the Iranian anti-ship missiles, the phalanx of the frigate Jerrett did not notice the obstacles in the form of a Missouri battleship and stitched his bridge in line. The robot of the Japanese destroyer Yugiri during an exercise in 1996 shot down an American attack aircraft A-6 Intruder instead of a target towed by him (maybe that's why it is sometimes turned off?)
        2. Charik April 29 2020 01: 45 New
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          Well, then yes, the Phalanx is not a panacea against PCR, if it is one for the whole vessel, if it were like Avik - 6 pieces for the whole ship - that's why they came up with 4 Seasparow in one cell
      2. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 21: 52 New
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        some courageous Samaritans set you up with cons ... I don’t understand why
  • Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 03: 45 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    subsonic and phalanxes can be shot down

    Rum, did you hear how they “shot down”, if my memory serves me, two Iraqi anti-ship missiles? !!! wink lol
    1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 03: 56 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Grek
      and you heard how they “shot down”, if my memory serves me, two Iraqi anti-ship missiles

      Iraq in the allies was then with the United States and was hammering by accident. The Americans did not take part in the database on the side of Iraq, but everyone shared information. And the level of IJIS in the early 80s is a bit different today.
      1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 04: 11 New
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        Quote: Alexander Mosin
        USA then had allies in Iraq

        what that is, then such a hit of the type is not considered ??? !!! lol
        Quote: Alexander Mosin
        and stomped by accident.

        what that is, then you can not shoot down such missiles flying towards you ?? !!! laughing
        Quote: Alexander Mosin
        The Americans did not take part in the database on the side of Iraq, but everyone shared information

        however, they got on board !!! wink lol
        Quote: Alexander Mosin
        And the level of IJIS in the early 80s is a bit different today.

        Yes Yes!! wassat lol
        PS ... tie a polish one place to amers !!! request tongue
        1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 14: 19 New
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          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          that is, then such a hit of the type is not considered ??? !!!


          No, it doesn’t count, because the Allies are not expected to rocket sideways, and the US Navy did not participate in the database. It's like going to a tank with an open hatch, throwing a grenade at it and then declaring your tanks shit, one dude with a grenade can destroy them.

          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          PS ... tie a polish one place to amers !!!


          You do not ascribe your preferences and practices to me, do not judge by yourself. I'm interested in the technical side of the issue and reality, but not the schizophrenic nonsense and the opinion of the trolls of local marshals, whose function on this site is to minus everyone who does not adhere to "patriotic" fantasies. If you think that the IJIS of American destroyers has not changed over the past almost 40 years and its combat capabilities have not grown, then your business and level of awareness.
          1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 35 New
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            No, it doesn’t count, because the Allies are not expected to rocket sideways, and the US Navy did not participate in the database. It's like going to a tank with an open hatch, throwing a grenade at it and then declaring your tanks shit, one dude with a grenade can destroy them.

            it's all demagoguery ... the fact is that the missiles were detected and could not be shot down !! wassat
            Quote: Alexander Mosin
            I'm interested in the technical side of the issue and reality

            then we would ask how the Americans screwed up then !! wink laughing
            1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 18: 54 New
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              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              it's all demagoguery ... the fact is that the missiles were detected and could not be shot down !!

              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              then we would ask how the Americans screwed up then


              Demagogy and nonsense is to compare the warship of the 70s, if not more, which is not IDHIS, who did not participate in the database and did not expect an attack from the ally, with modern destroyers Arly Burke and believe that this can be repeated with him. If you call it “screw up,” then how to evaluate Kuzi’s campaigns to Syria in 2019 ?!
      2. Charik April 28 2020 10: 19 New
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        Looking at the minuses they stuck to Alexandra, you tell them how it really was, as they say-even pour into the eyes
        1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 14: 00 New
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          But the "patriots" have never been interested in reality, slogans, crazy tales and schizophrenia are all of them. And since they rule in the country and the result is corresponding for 20 years, some fakes and failures.
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          you tell them how it really was

          and how was it really ??? what did you serve there ?? !! lol
          1. Charik April 28 2020 18: 19 New
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            no, the whole world has known about this for a long time, it’s not a secret even once, starting from 10 miles until bang bang aboard and all things, take Nicholas and read at least in pikvedi
    2. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 18 New
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      and you heard how they “knocked down”, if my memory serves me, two Iraqi anti-ship missiles? !!!

      they didn’t even try, it was too late to launch missiles, and for the Phalanxes, the missiles were in the dead zone. Coincidence.
      And frigates like Oliver Perry (which Stark belonged to) don't have Aegis.
      1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 37 New
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        Grigory_45-well, what do you compare, Burka with Perry, look at pikvediya everything is written about that incident (do not compare sausage with a finger)
        1. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 11: 22 New
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          Well, what do you compare, Burke with Perry, look in piquediya everything is written about that incident

          Yes, I am familiar with the story of how Stark caught two Exocet. We have lovers here to distort (Nikolai Grek)
          1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 42 New
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            We have lovers here to distort (Nikolai Grek)

            what that is, the missiles were shot down, but I distort everything ?? !!! recourse laughing
            1. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 17: 28 New
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              that is, the missiles were shot down, but am I distorting everything ?? !!

              the most convincing lie is one in which there is part of the truth.
              No, the missiles were not shot down, they were not even tried to be shot down. That day, Stark was very unlucky, there was a series of accidents that led to the tragedy. But you carefully do not notice them, making a thoughtful conclusion that it was supposed to be so. And what will happen to any American ship, because they are pelvis painted in ball color, and the team on them is utter gouging. Your conclusions are a lie.

              You have already been given an example with a tank and a grenade.
              Quote: Alexander Mosin
              It's like going to a tank with an open hatch, throwing a grenade at it and then declaring your tanks shit, one dude with a grenade can destroy them.

              This is exactly what you judge. You are not interested in reality, nor is objective assessment.
      2. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 40 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Coincidence.

        you can always find some excuse !!! wink laughing
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          you can always find some excuse !!

          not an excuse, but an explanation.
          By the way, how and with what will you justify (from your own slang) the incident with MRC Monsoon in 1987?
    3. Charik April 28 2020 10: 17 New
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      Again, find these Iraqi PCRs, Nikolai’s backstory in the same pikvedia, Iraq was an ally of the United States at that time, so the ship did not consider the approaching Mirage to be a threat
      1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 16: 59 New
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        therefore, the ship did not consider the approaching Mirage to be a threat

        flying missiles are also not considered a threat ?? !!! wassat lol
        1. Charik April 28 2020 17: 12 New
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          the launch was, as Pikivedia writes, with 10 miles (is it 15 km?) and it says that someone screamed, I see a rocket, but it was too late to rush about
          1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 21: 08 New
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            Quote: Charik
            the launch was, as Pikivedia writes, with 10 miles (is it 15 km?) and it says that someone screamed, I see a rocket, but it was too late to rush about

            here you have the "professionalism" of amer warriors !! wink and over time it became much worse !!! wassat laughing
            1. Charik April 29 2020 01: 49 New
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              Nikolay Grek - yes it’s good to cast a shadow over the fence, in principle, yes, self-hypnosis is a powerful thing, you can even defeat any disease
    4. novel66 April 28 2020 10: 39 New
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      so, they weren’t even included - read about that incident, they didn’t just overslept, but loved everything that could be!
      1. Charik April 28 2020 12: 43 New
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        there, even a sailor shouted that he saw a rocket, and since he saw it, it all arrived, especially since a launch from 10 miles
        1. novel66 April 28 2020 12: 48 New
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          it was necessary not to yell, but to bring down the rocket from the machine gun
          1. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 17: 01 New
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            it was necessary not to yell, but to bring down the rocket from the machine gun

            well, like this!! wassat where is the guarantee that they also will not scam any other attack ?? !!! laughing
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            yeah jump and saddle like the munhausen core
  • st2st April 27 2020 16: 09 New
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    Over-the-horizon radar "Wave", with success, can both track, warn, and jam jam. According to the range in which "Wave" can work, AHIS loses. Moreover, the range of our station is incommensurably further
  • Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 02: 45 New
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    This is where the “Khibiny” and not only should work.

    Do you think it is possible to approach such a distance to a destroyer such as Arly Burke, which in the case of a serious turmoil alone will not sail off the coast of Russia, but there will be an AOG with a detection range of at least 1000 km radius?)) The X35U GOS captures a target of 20 km, which for Arly Burke is not a problem, or rejected by EW, or stupidly using a missile defense with a subsonic blank. And there have never been any Khibins on the Su-24, this system was developed for later aircraft, for the Su-27, as a result, for the Su-34 and Su-35 and the system they have been sawing this for 30 years, until it’s finished, it’s out of date, and modernization failed and there was a court even in 2014. And even if, imagine such a situation, Drying rushes to the destroyer, turns on the Khibiny and with this device that drowns out a giant radar both in size and power ?? But nothing that the Khibiny didn’t jam anything at all? They were not created for this and not against such powerful radars as IJIS radars, but rather Thor-type radars and not to jam, but rather to "blur the radar's vision", distort the distance, etc. Similar systems are available on all modern aircraft.
  • Tusv April 27 2020 14: 28 New
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    the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie

    Well, according to Vladimir Semenovich, "Science is silent, they wanted Coca, but they ate Cook."
    And so, vidyuha is quite Hollywood. Out of nowhere, the Su-24 flies out at low altitude, followed by the F-16 Sokoliki. And a masterpiece. An anti-submarine turret hovering over the destroyer in splendid isolation. No, this is not a movie. This is the hundredth level trolling. Or naval humor. Not well. And who should take a taste test? Not ready yet Cook. It is not possible to eat without salt. Yes, and "Horseradish is not enough" to this jellied fish
  • venik April 27 2020 14: 32 New
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    the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie

    =======
    It depends on what to arm!
  • Range April 27 2020 22: 08 New
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    I don’t know how many Su-24 it takes to hurt Cook, but I think one Zircon will be enough.
  • Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 03: 29 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie

    all the hell !! wassat
    1. novel66 April 28 2020 10: 41 New
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      Yes, he can’t even repeat Gastello!
  • Looking for April 27 2020 15: 22 New
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    But do not oppose. Because there is nothing.
  • mole April 27 2020 14: 02 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    routine .. they brazenly climb to our shores, we pretend to scare them, garbage question

    Where is the place of the Poles in this routine?
    1. novel66 April 27 2020 14: 07 New
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      they watch tightly in time to dash to the right side
      1. mole April 27 2020 14: 20 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        they watch tightly in time to dash to the right side

        If only they didn’t burst from this tension. wink
        1. Fmax April 28 2020 02: 47 New
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          Like the previous 2 times? %)
        2. datura23 April 28 2020 15: 08 New
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          so sections of Poland and occur
      2. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 04: 02 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        they watch tightly in time to dash to the right side

        This is when the Poles rushed in some directions?
        1. Sergey Medvedev April 28 2020 08: 13 New
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          Quote: Alexander Mosin
          This is when the Poles rushed in some directions?

          1938 - for Hitler. 1939 - against Hitler.
          1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 14: 25 New
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            Quote: Sergey Medvedev
            1938 - for Hitler. 1939 - against Hitler.


            Since the Poles were “for” Hitler, then who was Stalin, under Hitler? With what with both hands for up to the 41st.
            1. Sergey Medvedev April 28 2020 19: 28 New
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              We talked about the Poles.
              And Stalin in 1938 asked the Poles to let the Red Army go to the aid of allied Czechoslovakia. But the Poles were still behind Hitler (together with Hitler tore to pieces Czechoslovakia) and did not miss. And then, in 1939, Stalin offered the Poles military assistance against Hitler, but they said that they did not need. And the French and the British proposed an alliance against Hitler (in August 1939), but they also said that they did not need. Then Stalin said: “What do I need? Most of all do I need?” And he concluded a non-aggression pact with Hitler. The last in Europe concluded, after the Poles, the French and other good neighbors of Hitler. The most interesting thing is that you know all this, but pretend that you do not know. Because the troll. Just a troll.
    2. Nemchinov Vl April 27 2020 14: 16 New
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      Quote: Mole
      Where is the place of the Poles in this routine?
      in the free press ....
    3. avg
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      The Poles have a lot of ambition and megalomania. Hence the property - to fall into a meat grinder between the Great Powers, and then cry for a long time, "Poland has not disappeared ..." Poles, they have such a plan. yes
    4. Tusv April 27 2020 15: 27 New
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      Quote: Mole
      Where is the place of the Poles in this routine?

      Not well, it’s clear that Cook is an object of ridicule for the Navy aviation. The Poles uploaded a video to the network showing how lowered it was. Su-24 took away fighter cover and the Ka-31 is quite capable of launching a buoy with requests from radio listeners, so that "the gateway does not get dirty and the head does not hang out." But this is another series of Donald Cook's naval humor on trolling
      1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 04: 12 New
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        Quote: Tusv
        Not well, it’s clear that Cook is an object of ridicule for the Navy aviation.

        Rather, there will be ridicule about this circus with the Khibiny and senseless, but primarily dangerous for the Su24 crew maneuvers. And in the aviation of the Russian Navy for a long time it is no laughing matter when they observe the development of the NATO Air Force and the degradation of the fleet in the Russian Federation, but they have to participate in such shows.
        1. datura23 April 28 2020 15: 10 New
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          the safest thing, in your opinion, is the demobilization of aviation and the army and navy
          1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 16: 32 New
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            What does demobilization have to do with it ??
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      Quote: Mole
      Quote: novel xnumx
      routine .. they brazenly climb to our shores, we pretend to scare them, garbage question

      Where is the place of the Poles in this routine?

      the Poles are in great hope that for them the Americans will squeeze the Black Sea from the Russians.
      1. mole April 27 2020 20: 54 New
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        Something a lot of comers good
      2. Charik April 27 2020 22: 36 New
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        actually it was in the Baltic
        1. Barmal April 27 2020 22: 44 New
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          Quote: Charik
          actually it was in the Baltic

          Polska od morza do morza
          1. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 23: 07 New
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            Quote: Barmal
            Quote: Charik
            actually it was in the Baltic

            Polska od morza do morza

            From walrus to walrus? Have they laid eyes on the Arctic? laughing
            1. Barmal April 28 2020 21: 01 New
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              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              Quote: Barmal
              Quote: Charik
              actually it was in the Baltic

              Polska od morza do morza

              From walrus to walrus? Have they laid eyes on the Arctic? laughing

              they are Poles, don’t stick a finger in their mouth - they will bite them off. And so everything is simple - from sea to sea. And they are generally very "positive" in the event of access to the Black Sea, Joseph Vissarionych presented them with the Baltic. And they are so ungrateful, creatures in one word.
  • Fmax April 28 2020 02: 46 New
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    The Poles simply revised Kiselev, so they are trying to build caps from themselves.
  • _Ugene_ April 27 2020 10: 37 New
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    Yes, if we consider the confrontation in its purest form, it is unlikely that the Su-24 will be able to approach the destroyer at the launch distance of the PKR, the old plane, a very large epr (from different angles of 10-25 sq.m.), ship's air defense sees it from very far away
    1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 10: 41 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      ship's air defense sees him from far away

      Under the radio horizon?
      1. Kalmar April 27 2020 10: 44 New
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        Quote: Winnie76
        Under the radio horizon?

        After the horizon and drying the destroyer will not see after all.
        1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 10: 48 New
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          You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything, and then get closer under the radio horizon
          1. Kalmar April 27 2020 10: 54 New
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            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything, and then get closer under the radio horizon

            ... launch two X-35 missiles that the destroyer will knock down without any problems. Provided, of course, that the crew did not really relax.
            1. Avior April 27 2020 12: 01 New
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              Even if it relaxes, the RTR-REB station traps all the same, it will shoot, when threatened, it works automatically.
              The chances of circumventing the traps and the operation of the ship’s eb at a pair of PCRs launched from one direction are practically zero.
              Now, if the attack is sudden on a sky-ready ship, then there are chances, and high.
              1. Kalmar April 27 2020 12: 27 New
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                Quote: Avior
                Now, if the attack is sudden on a sky-ready ship, then there are chances, and high.

                Reminds an ancient joke:
                And today I overtook a man on a Ferrari on my Moskvich as if standing! He was so stunned that he almost dropped the filling hose!
              2. Yura April 27 2020 12: 44 New
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                Quote: Avior
                Now, if the attack is sudden on a sky-ready ship, then there are chances, and high.

                On the contrary, we understand that if the SU-24 received an order to destroy the target, then an order to neutralize, possibly destroy the satellites, enemy AWACS was already given, well, a lot of the rest was done, because this is a war with everyone resulting consequences. And the Poles will not be up to publications, that's for sure.
                1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 04: 18 New
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                  we understand that if the SU-24 received an order to destroy the target, then the order to neutralize, possibly destroy the satellites, AWACs of the enemy was already given,

                  Well, yes, since the order was given, it means that they will beat AWACS! The truth is not clear what and how, but orders are not discussed! And after the order to beat all the AWACS, an order will be received to sink all the AUGs and to beat all the satellites ..
              3. ancient April 27 2020 13: 07 New
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                Even if it relaxes, the RTR-REB station traps all the same, it will shoot, when threatened, it works automatically.

                With the "difficult" flight profile of the RCC (X-31AD), no one else managed to intercept it wink
                Quote: Avior
                Now, if the attack is sudden on a sky-ready ship

                And if the coordinates of this ship are also known or it .. "stands on the bank" ... then this is already called .... "as on the training ground (or in the dash)" the probability of hitting the target is almost 99%.
                1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 04: 25 New
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                  With the "difficult" flight profile of the RCC (X-31AD), no one else managed to intercept it

                  And who tried to shoot her down? What is unbreakable in her? And how will the Su24 fit the missile launch range of the destroyer?
                2. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 28 New
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                  RCC (X-31AD) still no one has managed to intercept

                  sure? Do you think the United States bought MA-31 targets just so that they were?
                  The MA-31 target missile is designed to simulate supersonic missiles during testing of anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems and to develop skills to repel a supersonic missile attack by combat calculations of air defense systems. It can fly along a low-altitude trajectory to simulate supersonic anti-ship missiles, and along a high-altitude trajectory to simulate anti-radar missiles.
                  1. Charik April 28 2020 10: 44 New
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                    And that’s why they upgraded SM
            2. Charik April 27 2020 12: 54 New
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              Su24 and X35 good maybe right calibers pcr and dagger
              1. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 14: 13 New
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                Quote: Charik
                Su24 and X35 good maybe right calibers pcr and dagger

                X-35 can be based on the Su-24, as well as on the Su-34.
                X-35 is designed to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons and replace the P-15 Termite missile.


                Base Options:

                aviation - for aircraft Su-24, Su-30, MiG-29, Su-35S, TU-142 and helicopters Ka-27, Ka-28, Ka-52K
                Uranus missile system (SS-N-25 Switchblade) - ship
                3K60 Ball missile system (SSC-6 Sennight) - coastal.

                https://vpk.name/library/f/x-35.html
            3. ancient April 27 2020 12: 57 New
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              .. launch two X-35 missiles

              Su-24M has already become the carrier of the X-35's? belay
              1. Kalmar April 27 2020 13: 14 New
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                Quote: ancient
                Su-24M has already become the carrier of the X-35's?

                In general, I exaggerated it. Well, there was a note https://iz.ru/646068/dmitrii-litovkin-aleksei-ramm/morskikh-i-vozdushnykh-ubiitc-obedinili, where it seemed like they mentioned that the X-35s were planning to spend on the Su-24 . In theory, nothing prevents it from being done. Which, however, does not affect the general alignment of forces in any way)
                1. ancient April 27 2020 15: 38 New
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                  Quote: Kalmar
                  In general, I exaggerated it.

                  Clear drinks ... then the medium is in .. "quotation marks." wink
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  https://iz.ru/646068/dmitrii-litovkin-aleksei-ramm/morskikh-i-vozdushnykh-ubiitc-obedinili,

                  Izvestia ... they are like that .... "maybe ... u" wassat
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  that the X-35s are planning to spend the Su-24.

                  Too many “changes” need to be made to the OMS. (therefore, they stopped with the X-31s).
                2. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 32 New
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                  Quote: Kalmar
                  where it’s kind of mentioned that the X-35s are planning to loot to the Su-24. In theory, nothing prevents it

                  fundamentally - nothing interferes, in fact - the means. There are and will not be any other missiles on the Su-24, except for those that are carrying now. To integrate a missile into the aircraft’s weapons system is not to hang it on ACU locks ... avionics need to be further developed
              2. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 14: 34 New
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                Quote: ancient
                Quote: Kalmar
                .. launch two X-35 missiles

                Su-24M has already become the carrier of the X-35's? belay

                And you do not know?
                In addition to the Uran ship complex, the Kh-35 base also includes the Bal coastal anti-ship complex, as well as the aviation version (two modifications: for X-35U aircraft and X-35V helicopters). The helicopter version of the missile can be used from helicopters of the Ka-27 and Ka-28 type, the aircraft version from the MiG-29K, MiG-29SMT, Su-30MK, Su-35, Yak-141 fighters, the Su-24M type front-line bomber, Tu anti-submarine aircraft -142M and other carriers.

                http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/uran/uran.shtml
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                  And you do not know?

                  belay request what
                  Murzilka (at the expense of Su-24M).
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                  Sky Strike fighter (Maxim)
                  Ancient and never in the "course" was ...
                3. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 37 New
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                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  In addition to the Uran ship complex, the Kh-35 base also includes the Bal coastal anti-ship complex, as well as the aviation version (two modifications: for X-35U aircraft and X-35V helicopters). The helicopter version of the missile can be used from helicopters of the Ka-27 and Ka-28 type, the aircraft version from the MiG-29K, MiG-29SMT, Su-30MK, Su-35, Yak-141 fighters, the Su-24M type front-line bomber, Tu anti-submarine aircraft -142M and other carriers.

                  about ..))) Yak-141 is mentioned))) This is what hairy year information? Apparently, from the area of ​​Wishlist. Are you aware that not all Wishlist are being implemented?

                  Can I see at least one Su-24 photo with X-35 missiles?
              3. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 15: 16 New
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                Quote: ancient
                Quote: Kalmar
                .. launch two X-35 missiles

                Su-24M has already become the carrier of the X-35's? belay

                Here is another confirmation.
                The Kh-35U missile has a mass of 550 kg. Of these, 145 kg falls on the warhead. Flight speed - 300 m / s. Range of application - 260 km. Currently, the Kh-35U carriers are several series of surface ships of the missile boat / corvette class, Su-24, Su-30, MiG-29K / KUBR, Su-35S, T-50 and anti-submarine Tu-142 aircraft, as well as Ka helicopters -27, Ka-28 and Ka-52K. The missile is used as part of the Bal coastal missile system.

                https://iz.ru/646068/dmitrii-litovkin-aleksei-ramm/morskikh-i-vozdushnykh-ubiitc-obedinili
                1. Charik April 27 2020 22: 42 New
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                  Confirmation when the video will be, well, or the shooter himself will say then I believe it, but in the newspaper they will order it and print it like any gossmi.
                  1. Sky strike fighter April 28 2020 11: 48 New
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                    Quote: Charik
                    Confirmation when the video will be, well, or the shooter himself will say then I believe it, but in the newspaper they will order it and print it like any gossmi.

                    Testing the impact on surface targets in the Baltic Fleet Su-24 and Su-30SM. Video.
                    https://news.rambler.ru/army/44094093-otrabotka-udarov-aviatsiey-po-nadvodnym-tselyam-popala-na-video/
            4. Nikolai Grek April 28 2020 04: 20 New
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              ... which the destroyer will bring down without any problems.

              I wonder why you decided this ?? !! what and even with a non-relaxed crew !!! lol wassat
          2. zyablik.olga April 27 2020 11: 45 New
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            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything, and then get closer under the radio horizon

            At least before writing this, you would be interested in the capabilities of the radar installed on the Su-24.
            1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 14: 04 New
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              At least before writing this, you would be interested in the capabilities of the radar installed on the Su-24.

              I took an interest. I didn’t find anything.
          3. Avior April 27 2020 11: 49 New
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            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400

            can. but...
            The aircraft’s armament was based on the PNA-24 Puma-A sighting and navigation system. It consisted of: Orion-A front-view radar (RPO) with a detection range of a typical object of 150 km.
            1. Charik April 27 2020 12: 55 New
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              Turned on the radar and everything is already on sight
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              Quote: Avior
              RPO) "Orion-A" with a detection range of a typical object of 150 km.

              And what is a typical object? This time. And two, as far as I know, PNS-24 is an outdated system of several subsystems that have modernized
              1. Grigory_45 April 28 2020 08: 48 New
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                And two, as far as I know PNS-24 is an outdated system of several subsystems that have upgraded

                Yeah. An advanced sighting and navigation system PNS-24M Tiger was installed on the Su-24M, but the problem was that the search radar remained the same, Orion-A, with an instrumental range of about 150 km
                1. Fan-fan April 29 2020 00: 29 New
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                  Here is a description of real military events, I found on the Internet a diagram of a successful attack by the Argentine Air Force on the English destroyer Sheffield:
                  At 10:35, an Argentinean Neptune-type reconnaissance aircraft rose to a height of 1170 meters and determined the coordinates of the corresponding target. A few minutes later, he reported the data to the pilots of two SuperEthandar aircraft.
                  Moving at a very low altitude, in the region of 10:50 hours, they rose to a level of 160 m to check the coordinates indicated by Neptune and did not find anything. The pilots turned around and decided to continue the search. After 45 km, they climbed again and after a few seconds of scanning, the desired target appeared on the screens of their radars. The process of hitting a ship with an AM.39 rocket (Exoset) consists of two stages: first, the rocket is controlled by a special aircraft system that sets the coordinates of the target and transfers them to the rocket, i.e. loading coordinates into the on-board weapon systems, then the second stage - the radar itself rockets.
                  I note that luck is largely due to the fact that the radar was turned off on the destroyer just at that time, since it created interference with radio communications with London. One missile hit the target, the second missed.
          4. Brylevsky April 27 2020 12: 00 New
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            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything,

            And "light up" yourself?
          5. Ingenegr April 27 2020 12: 02 New
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            The Gorki for 300-400 km of Su-24 can at least get out of hand until the fuel is completely exhausted. Only now the instrumental range of the radar is less than 200 km. What to do with this?
            1. ancient April 27 2020 13: 18 New
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              The Gorki for 300-400 km of Su-24 can at least get out of hand until the fuel is completely exhausted.

              Yah? belay ..and on the destroyer at this time “sleep dead” and “Aegis” (generally blinded). wink
              And yes ... well, if before the full production of fuel ... so then ... a kamikaze ..... you need to do a slide before the goal ... or you can do this ... at an altitude of 20-30 meters .. "drive in"
          6. Charik April 27 2020 12: 51 New
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            What to see from Su24 for 300 km?
          7. ancient April 27 2020 12: 56 New
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            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything
            "what" are you planning on Su-24 ..... "consider ... the sea is hovering and ... see your goal there"? (we are silent about target identification ")?
          8. ancient April 27 2020 13: 12 New
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            Quote: Winnie76
            You can make a hill of kilometers for 300-400, consider everything

            And at what height are you going to make .. a slide (you need to see the target too) or do you think that ship radars have a dependency on target detection from beyond the horizon, but plane radars do not have such restrictions on the target detection range? wink
            1. Serg4545 April 27 2020 19: 26 New
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              // And what height are you going to make .. "slide" (you need to see the target too) or do you think that ship radars have a dependency on target detection from beyond the horizon, but airplane radars do not have such restrictions on the target detection range ? //

              Well for starters.
              If the aircraft comes with anti-ship missiles, then preliminary data on the ship’s whereabouts have already been received. Or do you think that Drying will carry RCC on itself just like that?
              When Sushka arrives in the right area, she makes a slide:
              For example, from an initial height of 200 meters, she bounces at 1500 meters. Turns on the radar for a couple of seconds at this altitude. Then he dives again to a height of 200 meters.
              Perhaps Aegis will be the first to spot Sushka (even most likely). But this will not give him anything. For any complex has a reaction time. And while Drying will be above the radio horizon (10-15 seconds) Aegis will not even have time to launch a rocket. Drying dived under the horizon and again became invisible to Aegis.
              It is enough for drying periodically (say every 70 km) to make a slide, combing the area in search of a ship. Aegis may even notice a plane every time, but she will not be able to do anything. But Sushka will sooner or later find the ship. She can even after finding the ship, make another slide to more accurately identify the target. Then again go under the horizon, upload the flight mission to the RCC. Launch RCC. You can fly home.
              And in general, in the confrontation of any single ship and more or less modern aircraft with anti-ship missiles, the aircraft has a huge handicap! Aircraft with a certain tactic, is almost invulnerable. But RCC (even single) always has a chance to reach the goal.
              1. ancient April 27 2020 19: 42 New
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                Quote: Serg4545
                Well for starters.
                If the aircraft comes with anti-ship missiles, then preliminary data on the ship’s whereabouts have already been received. Or do you think that Drying will carry RCC on itself just like that?

                Naturally, there was reconnaissance of the target and additional reconnaissance, but ........ the "ship" is not .. "tied in place" ... or what?
                Quote: Serg4545
                For example, from an initial height of 200 meters, she bounces at 1500 meters. Turns on the radar for a couple of seconds at this altitude. Then he dives again to a height of 200 meters.

                Well, let's start as you say .. "from the beginning" .. in the first RPO it is turned on from the ground and the antenna is placed on the "Equivalent" ... this is for a missile with AGSN, but for T-type only LPS and the included APK-9 container are needed. wink
                To "survey" the space and find the target .. "somewhere in the area" ..... this event can not be completed in a few seconds. soldier
                Quote: Serg4545
                It is enough for drying periodically (say every 70 km) to make a slide, combing the area in search of a ship.

                About such "concepts" as range, duration and tactical radius of action, depending on the weight of B \ k and refueling as well as the flight mode and profile ... have you heard?
                All the rest of your "written" leave without comment
                1. Serg4545 April 27 2020 20: 30 New
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                  // Naturally there was reconnaissance of the target and additional reconnaissance, but ........ the "ship" is not .. "tied in place" ... or what? //

                  If the steamer were tied, then according to it, for a stationary purpose, they would work out some sort of long-range Caliber. But since he was not attached, I had to drive Dry, for additional exploration and launching missiles from close range.

                  // To "survey" the space and find the target .. "somewhere in the area" ..... this event can not be completed in a few seconds //

                  View as much surface as the allotted time allows.
                  Repeat the operation until a result is obtained.

                  // About such "concepts" as range, duration and tactical radius of action, depending on the weight of the B \ k and refueling as well as the flight mode and profile ... did you hear? //

                  Yes, I heard.
                  And I think that the purchase of almost complete invulnerability due to a couple of additional hanging tanks is a drop dead bargain.

                  // All the rest of your “written” leave without comment //

                  That is, agree?
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                    Quote: Serg4545
                    and launching missiles from close range.

                    Which RCC specifically?
                    Quote: Serg4545
                    View as much surface as the allotted time allows.
                    Repeat the operation until a result is obtained.

                    I understand you, i.e. never in their life worked with radar and "found" and did not identify an identified target in conditions of counteracting the enemy’s RES ... and even without it (suppose that everyone is sleeping on the "ship" wink
                    Quote: Serg4545
                    Yes, I heard.
                    And I think that the purchase of almost complete invulnerability due to a couple of additional hanging tanks is a drop dead bargain.

                    And where are you going to hang RCCs ..... on the 1st and 6th rotary suspension units? There you can only X-25ML, and PTB at 2 and 5 nodes, well, or as an option 1-X-29L and two PTB.
                    And with the PTB, the tactical radius of course increases, but not so ... that would .. "ah" fellow
                    And the destroyer in the threatened period will never come to the coast of the enemy at such a range.
                    So the "drop dead" of your proposed transaction .... "flies past like ..... plywood" wink
                    Quote: Serg4545
                    That is, agree?

                    Most likely not ... especially your proposed criteria, "any ship is more or less a modern airplane!" soldier
      2. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 10: 48 New
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        if it goes all the time at an altitude of 20-30 m above the sea, then without the support of Avax, it may reach the missile launch range, but how will he capture the target under the radio horizon? ship radar is much more powerful and modern, there is no equal confrontation
        1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 11: 02 New
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          there is no equal confrontation

          Drying has its trump cards. As we have already found out, it can hide from the radar at the very small point, can impose a battle at the right time and from a convenient angle, and can avoid a collision. Provided that the drying equipment is equipped with Onyxes, and even more so with Zircons, I will put it on it. Rather on them
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            Quote: Winnie76
            Provided that the drying equipment is equipped with Onyxes, and even more so with Zircons, I will put it on it.

            It’s even impossible to comment wassat Why didn’t they equip the Su-24M with Mosquitoes? Have you thought about this?
            1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 12: 20 New
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              It’s impossible to even comment on this. Why didn’t they equip the Su-24M with Mosquitoes, didn’t you think about it?

              Apparently the problem is in mass and size. And nevertheless. As far as I know, there is an aircraft Bramos, which hangs on the Su-30. Why can not castrated Onyx hang on the Su-24
            2. novel66 April 27 2020 12: 31 New
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              I’m embarrassed to ask, but will the caliber for Drying rise? Sergey, the kindest
              1. Bongo April 27 2020 13: 46 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                Sergey, the kindest

                Roman, good evening! (I have already evening). I’m watching a warm company gather today! drinks
                Quote: novel xnumx
                and the caliber on the drying stand?

                Of course not. no
                Some time ago, a Su-24 was published at the VO, the consultant of which was the ancient one present here (Sergey). All questions can be asked him directly.

                Service and combat use of the Su-24

                https://topwar.ru/84850-sluzhba-i-boevoe-primenenie-frontovogo-bombardirovschika-su-24-chast-1-ya.html

                https://topwar.ru/84921-sluzhba-i-boevoe-primenenie-frontovogo-bombardirovschika-su-24-chast-2-ya.html
            3. ancient April 27 2020 13: 19 New
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              Quote: Bongo
              It’s even impossible to comment

              good
              Quote: Bongo
              Why didn’t the Su-24M be equipped with Mosquitoes?

              Even with the X-31 did not finish ... unfortunately
              1. Bongo April 27 2020 13: 41 New
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                Sergey, hello! drinks It’s been a long time since I crossed paths with you! Olya said that you were with us again, but I didn’t have enough time to look at VO. Nobody knows about Su-24 better than you at VO. Although even you can’t explain anything to the Urikal. request
                1. ancient April 27 2020 13: 53 New
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                  Quote: Bongo
                  It’s been a long time since I crossed paths with you!

                  Hello hello DEAR !!! drinks
                  So you’re all on ... "hunting and fishing" ... all the more it’s easier for you there .... "to isolate yourself" ... and a bear or a tiger ... does not check for masks wink
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                    Quote: ancient
                    Quote: Bongo
                    It’s been a long time since I crossed paths with you!

                    Hello hello DEAR !!! drinks
                    So you’re all on ... "hunting and fishing" ... all the more it’s easier for you there .... "to isolate yourself" ... and a bear or a tiger ... does not check for masks wink

                    For the tiger, we have the northern boundary of the range, and it is very rare. But there were too many bears and now it’s better not to meet them. After a harsh punishment was introduced in the PRC for smuggling bear bile and bear’s paws, they almost deliberately stopped beating. And in food without checking, bear meat is fraught with mention, trichinosis is an extremely unpleasant thing. However, we are not bored in the Far East ... wassat

                    I took this picture in the morning on the way to duty a couple of days ago.
                    1. ancient April 27 2020 14: 33 New
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                      Quote: Bongo
                      I took this picture in the morning on the way to duty a couple of days ago.

                      Yes, my wife and I watch TV and ... just goof off of your weather belay Tough crying
                      1. Bongo April 27 2020 14: 39 New
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                        Quote: ancient
                        Yes, my wife and I watch TV and ... just go nuts on your weather belay

                        But fun ... lol In vain, you at one time refused a post at KnAAZ, could have admired our hills from the Su-17UM3 cockpit. By the way, the remaining pair of Su-17UM3 at the plant was finally put to joke, for several years now they have not been lifted into the air, but they are not disposed of.
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                        In vain you at one time resigned from a job at KnAAZ,

                        She, as it turned out, was not in vain .... I love the sun (although it is contraindicated to me now) wink
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                        Bongo (Sergey)


                        Do not this person, ranked as a flight crew ..
                        Read it, Sergey ..
                  2. Pete mitchell April 28 2020 17: 22 New
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                    Quote: Bongo
                    Quote: ancient
                    It’s been a long time since I crossed paths with you!

                    Gentlemen, develop doubts, I already asked.
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    Quote: ancient
                    ..on such a question

                    You are not a sinner to enlighten about the accident of the Su-17, when it had torn off the rotary parts of the wing during a salvo from UPK-23?
                    Was there such a precedent?
        2. Brylevsky April 27 2020 12: 06 New
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          she can hide from the radar on the extremely small

          Yes, if the height of the wave in the sea allows, that is, the weather. But the sea is far from always calm and fresh weather can cause the pilot to rise higher ...
          can impose a battle at the right time and from a convenient angle, can evade a collision.

          The safest thing for an airplane is to attack the ship without entering its air defense coverage area. Otherwise, the anti-aircraft gunners will take him on the sight. So what's with the range of the Su-24 locator?
          1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 12: 32 New
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            Quote: Brylevsky
            But the sea is far from always calm and fresh weather can cause the pilot to rise higher ...

            50 meters will suit you?
            Quote: Brylevsky
            The safest thing for an airplane is to attack the ship without entering its air defense coverage area.

            I will not argue
            Quote: Brylevsky
            . So what's with the range of the Su-24 locator?

            I have no idea. Only here the ESR of the ship is a multiple of the ESR of the aircraft, as well as the power of the radar. And besides, the plane has the ability to hide from the radar in the open sea, dropping lower, and the ship is not
            1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 12: 52 New
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              50 meters will suit you?

              Man, everything will be decided by simple mathematics. I calculated, it turned out that at a flight altitude of 50 m, the aircraft will be detected by the ship at a distance of about 45 km. So, theoretically, in a duel situation, the Su-24 has a chance to attack. Moreover, in the absence of "third forces" such as AWACS, etc., he even has a chance to safely get out of this attack ... I took the height of the radar antenna of the destroyer as 15 m, I don’t know how much this differs from reality .. . Measured by compasses in the picture laughing hi
              1. Charik April 27 2020 13: 16 New
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                yes? and what is the minimum missile launch? and 50 meters will not help
                1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 13: 24 New
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                  yes? and what is the minimum missile launch?

                  Generally not in the know. You know?
                  1. ancient April 27 2020 14: 00 New
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                    Generally not in the know.

                    Of those in service and, if possible, used .... 200 meters true ... but 300 is better (rocket subsidence ... it’s like that ... maybe the engine will start later) wink
                  2. Charik April 27 2020 15: 57 New
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                    here I’m talking about whether the rocket will turn into a torpedo
              2. ancient April 27 2020 13: 58 New
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                Quote: Brylevsky
                I calculated, it turned out that at a flight altitude of 50 m, the aircraft will be detected by the ship at a distance of about 45 km.

                The height of the radar antennas forgot to take into account wink D = 41,433. drinks
                Quote: Brylevsky
                So, theoretically, in a duel situation, the Su-24 has a chance to attack

                And .. "attack" than you are going to ... what TSA? wink
                Quote: Brylevsky
                he even has a chance to get out of this attack safely ..

                0,0% soldier
                1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 14: 14 New
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                  The height of the radar antennas was forgotten to take into account wink D = 41,433. drinks

                  No, I didn’t forget. I took the antenna installation height to 15 meters, with this installation height and a flight height of 50 m, the detection range is 45.1 km. hi
                  1. ancient April 27 2020 14: 36 New
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                    a flight altitude of 50 m, the detection range is 45.1 km.

                    Well so be it ... drinks ... each has its own ... "arithmetic" wink
                    1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 14: 42 New
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                      each has its own ... "arithmetic" wink

                      laughing actually math is the same for everyone wink Here is a link to an online calculator, I counted there. https://www.translatorscafe.com/unit-converter/ru-RU/calculator/radar-horizon/, so there are no secrets ... Now I read on Wikipedia that AN / SPY-1 has low-flying targets detection range up to 80 km. You, apparently, are related to aviation? Then, in your opinion: is there a chance for the Su-24 to launch a missile attack and survive?
                    2. ancient April 27 2020 16: 00 New
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                      Quote: Brylevsky
                      Then, in your opinion: is there a chance for the Su-24 to launch a missile attack and survive?

                      There are always chances ... but in this case .. very and very ... "miserable" soldier
                      Well, if he is anchored or at the bank ... then the probability increases significantly.
                      Quote: Brylevsky
                      Now I read on Wikipedia that AN / SPY-1 has a detection range of low-flying targets of up to 80 km

                      Not the most reliable source. wassat
                      Low-altitude targets are "dealt" by AN / SPG-62 and AN / SPQ-9A / B:
                      1. AN / SPG-62 radar operates in the X band (8-10 GHz), has a reflector diameter of 2,3 m, a peak transmitter power of 10 kW, and a range of 110 km. It performs the function of continuous illumination of the target at the final guidance site of the anti-missile defense SM-2 and SM-3 and thereby unloads the main radar SPY-1. It can be used as a review. On cruisers they put 4, on destroyers 3.
                      2. The multi-purpose AN / SPQ-9 shipborne gunsighting and control radar also operates in the X band (6-10 GHz), its peak power is 1,2 kW, rotation speed 30 rpm, range up to 37 km, maximum height - 6 km They say that a very good radar is resistant to interference from waves, rain and landscape in the coastal zone. Designed specifically for work on high-speed low-flying small-sized targets.
                    3. Brylevsky April 27 2020 16: 03 New
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                      Thank you for the detailed answer! hi
                      Not the most reliable source. wassat

                      For not having a better recourse
            2. Charik April 27 2020 16: 03 New
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              X35u, some were hung on the Su24, well, yes they write at least 200m in height, and here someone, in my opinion, wants to start up with a 50m -type so that the ship- the plane does not see
            3. bk316 April 27 2020 18: 10 New
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              Quote: Brylevsky
              he even has a chance to get out of this attack safely ..

              0,0% soldier


              Since I don’t understand a damn thing, in anti-ship missiles, but for some reason very much even in software for air defense systems laughing
              then I have VERY big doubts that when attacking a dozen su-24s with simultaneous launching of burke missiles, the carriers will ATTACK AT ALL. I can argue that the BIUS will prioritize the PCR and not the media, and not one SR each. Dryers quietly unfold and leave. And if at least one anti-ship missile hits the target, then forget about TTX berke. The modern destroyer is not a battleship; its combat stability depends entirely on the antenna economy - and this is cardboard for any missile.

              Actually the same problem is facing modern air defense systems. While this is being solved by creating an echeloned system, in order to destroy systems of large radius, one must first suppress the medium and small, and they are covered by the systems of the large. And the radar posts are separated by kilometers. Burke has none of this. Therefore, in the composition of the AUG, the berks are good, but in solitary swimming they are simply goals. Yes, the Americans themselves understand this. You doubt it, look at how the air defense of the AUG is arranged, this is really a problem.
          2. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 04: 44 New
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            Quote: Brylevsky
            that at a flight altitude of 50 m, the aircraft will be detected by the ship at a distance of about 45 km


            These destroyers, in addition to supporting AWACS and a bunch of other sources of information, also have a helicopter with a radar, a powerful electronic warfare that allows you to move the ship another km for the eyes and brains of the Su24 radar, if suddenly the war is not in reality, but in some then Narnia, where the destroyers lost in the ocean will go unaccompanied by a dozen similar to them and with Avik, and in splendid isolation, to be more honest against Sushka.
        3. ancient April 27 2020 13: 30 New
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          Quote: Winnie76
          50 meters will suit you?

          At what range with such H does your radar “see”? wink
          Have you flown a lot and for a long time on PRMV on the Su-24?
          Quote: Winnie76
          And besides, the plane has the ability to hide from the radar in the open sea, dropping lower, and the ship is not

          The destroyer’s radar will “spot” you on Ext. about 40 km and air defense systems will make you a "steak" crying
    2. Cympak April 27 2020 12: 51 New
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      For each TSA, avionics needs to be reprogrammed, and then tested. Also, given the age of the Su-24M, I will assume that it has an analog system :(
      In general, they are unlikely to bother and register new weapons on the Su-24M
      1. ancient April 27 2020 14: 10 New
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        Quote: Cympak
        Also, given the age of the Su-24M, I will assume that it has an analog system

        Not really ... the analogue interface ... this is true ... but. An airplane in the control system (BCVS) includes a pairing device (DC) (in the form of an autonomous unit) that interacts with the central computing device (CVU) of the BCVM via a digital channel, or integrated with a digital computer through an input-output device (I / O).
        Quote: Cympak
        In general, they are unlikely to bother and register new weapons on the Su-24M

        Absolutely true assumption soldier
    3. Charik April 27 2020 12: 57 New
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      How many Zircons or Onyxes hang on Su24-Hindus like Brahmos one hang on the 30s
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      Quote: Winnie76
      can impose a battle at the right time and from a convenient angle,

      laughing out loud
    5. ancient April 27 2020 13: 23 New
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      As we already found out, she can hide from the radar on the extremely small,

      You are so ... "smoothly" moved down from the Su-24M ... to .. "comprehensive" "Drying" wink(right ... the business of the drowning - the business of the drowning themselves).
      What do you have .... tanks of dimensionless silt or tankers fly with you .... okay ... and will you refuel the same .. on PMV? wassat
      Quote: Winnie76
      Provided that the drying equipment is equipped with Onyxes, and even more so with Zircons, I will put it on it

      This is from the series ... if my grandmother had ... "one thing" .. she would be .. "grandfather" wassat
      1. Winnie76 April 27 2020 14: 48 New
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        Quote: ancient
        You are so ... "smoothly" moved down from the Su-24M ... to .. "comprehensive" "Drying" (right ... the drowning business is the drowning business itself).

        OK. Convinced. The old Su-24 is not shining against the new Burke. And modernization is most likely impractical.
        Quote: ancient
        This is from the series ... if my grandmother had ... "one thing" .. she would be .. "grandfather"

        It turns out there is no subject for conversation. The Poles are infinitely right. Our pilots with their overflights are just a good mine in a bad game. And the Indians generally loshara with their Bramos-A
        1. ancient April 27 2020 15: 43 New
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          OK. Convinced. Old Su-24 does not shine versus the new Burke

          It pleases, but ... about .. "nothing shines" ... and suddenly .... the case turns up .. history knows examples) wink
          Why upgrade if you already have a Su-34 ?.
          Quote: Winnie76
          Our pilots with their overflights are just a good mine in a bad game.

          But why... belay ? They noticed that they fly over on the Su-24MR ... you think .. "just like that" ... to push?
          For the rest I don’t understand at all ... "why are the Indians ..hoshary" belay ?
  • Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 11: 25 New
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    if it goes all the time at an altitude of 20-30 m above the sea, then without the support of Avax, it may reach the missile launch range, but how will he capture the target under the radio horizon? ship radar is much more powerful and modern, there is no equal confrontation

    The missile itself will capture the target. The principle of "let-forget" is used there.
    Most of the way the X-35 flies at an altitude of 4-15 m (depending on the unrest at sea). This makes it difficult to detect with radar and intercept anti-ballistic missiles. Approaching the target, the X-35 makes a jump and attacks, leaving the peak. The speed of the subsonic rocket is Mach 0,8–0,85. X-35 can be used in almost any weather conditions and in a storm of up to 6 points.
    High accuracy and noise immunity of the rocket are ensured through the use of the active-passive radar homing head (GOS) ARGS-35 developed by NPP Radar-MMS (St. Petersburg). It captures the target at a range of 20-50 km.
    “The homing head eliminates the use of radar stations. The missile independently moves toward the target and carries out the necessary maneuvers. The accuracy of the defeat is several meters. True, the GOS captures the target in the final phase of the flight, and after launch the rocket uses an inertial control system and satellite navigation means, ”Knutov said.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/622075-raketa-h-35-boevye-vozmozhnosti
    1. zyablik.olga April 27 2020 11: 47 New
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      The missile itself will capture the target. The principle of "let-forget" is used there.

      A target designation missile is not needed, and she herself determines the position of the target in space? It is clear that the X-35 PRR is induced by radar radiation, but this is not RCC.
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        that the X-35 PRP is aimed at radar radiation, but this is not RCC.

        The X-35U never had a PRR. It was originally RCC. Have you read at least the quote I quoted above? Everything is written about the guidance system.
        A target designation missile is not needed, and she herself determines the position of the target in space?

        At first, it flies like a usual KR to a given point by satellite guidance, and then it itself captures the target of its ARGSN. Radar Su-24M is not needed here. Information about the position of the destroyer can be transmitted through the exchange of information with other units of a single information system of target designation by the same satellites.
        1. novel66 April 27 2020 12: 33 New
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          and if the goal is nimble?
        2. bars1 April 27 2020 12: 51 New
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          Sky Strike fighter X-35U is equipped with an active-passive seeker.
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          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          At first, it flies like a normal CR to a given point by satellite guidance,

          And who transmitted the coordinates of the target (initial) ... scout Vasya wassat?
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          The Su-24M radar is not needed here.

          Killed .... completely belay
          So why would someone fly somewhere ... "bullet" right from the parking lot and a rocket ... "fly where necessary"
          And there are no X-35 missiles on the Su-24M ... NO !!!
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Information about the position of the destroyer can be transmitted through the exchange of information with other units of a unified target designation information system by the same satellites.

          Already wrote to you about Professor Preobrazhensky .... well, do not read .... "fairy tales" at night wink
    2. Brylevsky April 27 2020 12: 12 New
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      The missile itself will capture the target. The principle of "let-forget" is used there.

      Yes, but first the pilot must find the target. The maximum firing range of the "X-35" is 50 km. That is, the Su-24 will have to approach the American ship at D <= 50 km ... Can you tell me the height of the AGES antennas in the superstructure of the ship? Then it will be easy to calculate what will come sooner: either the SU-24 will reach the line of missile attack, or the American ship will detect (and destroy it) earlier.
      1. Avior April 27 2020 12: 53 New
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        it’s more correct to count from the top of the mast of the destroyer - there is an antenna of the RTR station, which will determine the operation of the airborne radar much earlier
        1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 12: 59 New
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          it’s more correct to count from the top of the mast of the destroyer - there is an antenna of the RTR station, which will determine the operation of the airborne radar much earlier

          Where is she in this diagram?
          1. Avior April 27 2020 13: 40 New
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            the picture is old, it’s a destroyer of the 90s, and not everything is indicated there
            Now the REP station is planned to be finalized to version AN / SLQ - 32 (V) 5 with the expanded RTR reconnaissance station AN / SSX - 1. Antennas 13 are the PARs of the antenna of the reb station.
            But even if this particular one has not been finalized yet, the low-flying aircraft will detect AN / SPS-67- number ten in the picture.
            AN / SPS-67 - American two-coordinate ship survey and navigation radar. Provides detection and tracking of surface and low-flying targets.

            according to her data, you can’t shoot, she gives time to go into combat readiness.
            1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 14: 08 New
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              the picture is old, it’s a destroyer of the 90s, and not everything is indicated there

              It is possible, yes.
              Listen, buddy: I’m opening Wikipedia, I’m looking at the AN / SPY-1 radar’s operating parameters, I’m reading: “80 km (low flying targets)” ... How low are flying? Does this mean that the Su-24 has no chance of a successful attack?
              1. Avior April 27 2020 14: 58 New
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                low-flying - 200 meters and below
                minimum launch height X-35 - 200 meters
                Launch conditions for the aircraft variant carrier altitude - 0,2-10 km
                carrier flight speed - 0,35-0,9 M

                http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-852.html
                the radio visibility formula is simple - D = 4,11 * (√ Hls + √ H targets) - the square root of the radar height add the root of the target’s height in meters, multiply by 4,11 — you get the range in kilometers.
                Aegis antenna height 20 m, launch height x-35 200 m, we get a range
                D=4,11*(√20+√200)=4,11*(4.5+14.5)=4.11*19=80 км
                but all this is an empty argument
                for x-35 and more, the range may be, but a couple of missiles from one aircraft EW ship will lead away without major problems, this is repeatedly tested in real conditions
                daddy can only happen by chance, like in Sheffield, only now the reb stations work automatically
                a separate topic, no less important is target designation
                if you shoot without a full knowledge of the situation, the missiles will easily go into some passing boat
                satellites provide information for reconnaissance in the capital, and not on a ship or fleet.
                and their possibilities are greatly exaggerated
        2. Brylevsky April 27 2020 13: 03 New
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          it’s more correct to count from the top of the mast of the destroyer - there is an antenna of the RTR station,

          Judging by the scheme, on the top of the mast is an antenna of a tactical navigation complex. But this is not electronic intelligence ... TACAN is designed for completely different purposes.
          1. Avior April 27 2020 14: 09 New
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            I can’t find you immediately
            all these pictures are greatly simplified, there are not many, only the main one is indicated
            this is the mast of the destroyer Oscar Austin, DDG-79 that you have in the picture, also in the old photo

            Pay attention to how many antennas and antennas there are that you do not have on the diagram.
            I can’t say for sure where the RTR antenna is connected there, but I admit that this is the third “lampshade” on top around the mast with a clearly circular diagram, although, I repeat, I could be wrong.
      2. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 13: 43 New
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        Quote: Brylevsky
        The missile itself will capture the target. The principle of "let-forget" is used there.

        Yes, but first the pilot must find the target. The maximum firing range of the "X-35" is 50 km. That is, the Su-24 will have to approach the American ship at D <= 50 km ... Can you tell me the height of the AGES antennas in the superstructure of the ship? Then it will be easy to calculate what will come sooner: either the SU-24 will reach the line of missile attack, or the American ship will detect (and destroy it) earlier.

        The maximum firing range of the X-35U is from 260 to 300 km. 50 km from the target, the X-35U active-passive RGSN captures the target. Before that it flies by inertial to the targeting point.
        1. Brylevsky April 27 2020 14: 11 New
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          The maximum firing range of the X-35U is from 260 to 300 km. 50 km from the target, the X-35U active-passive RGSN captures the target. Before that it flies by inertial to the targeting point.

          Thanks for the alignment, I will know hi
        2. Charik April 27 2020 22: 57 New
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          for the time that X35-2 is flying, let's say they shot from 200km, will the ship leave the detection area of ​​the pcr? or will it notice a rocket? Can this happen?
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            for the time that X35-2 is flying, let's say they shot from 200km, will the ship leave the detection area of ​​the pcr? or will it notice a rocket? Can this happen?

            The missile will overcome 150 km in 10 minutes, 50 km to the target
            the target will capture its APRGSN. How much can a ship depart at 10 knots in about 35 minutes (about 60 km / h)? At 10 km, and the target will be captured by its APRGSN rocket from 50 km to the ship. Will not leave.
            or notice a rocket? Could this happen?

            If we get lucky.
            1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 19: 19 New
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              and the target will capture a missile from its 50 km to the ship with its APRGSN

              Everywhere TTX X-35U 260km range, GOS starts to work from 20 km, and not 50.
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                [quote = Alexander Mosin] [quote = Sky Strike fighter] and the target will capture a missile from its 50 km to the ship with its APRGS [/ quote]
                Everywhere TTX X-35U 260km range, GOS starts working from 20 km, not 50. [/ quote]

                On the X-35UE, the active radar ARGS-35 was replaced by an active-passive radar seeker of the Gran-K type. Target detection (capture) range increased to 50 km.
                [/ Quote]

                [quote = Sky Strike fighter] [quote = _Ugene _] [quote] it’s really possible to attack using an external command center [/ quote] so this is a completely different story, we are considering a one-on-one hypothetical confrontation, and if there is an external control center, then let's and we add avaks, and then drying has no chance [/ quote]
                Come on, but there are not so many AWACS, but on condition of one on one - that is, the destroyer against the Su-24M with the X-35U, the latter has a satellite guidance system.
                [quote] In 2009, a modernized version of the Kh-35U missile, called the Kh-35UE, was presented, intended for delivery to foreign customers. After all the modifications, the starting weight of the rocket reached 670 kg. Dimensions remained at the same level. The engine and fuel tank taken from the Kh-35U provide the new anti-ship missile with a range of up to 260 km. According to some reports, a launch at a range of up to 300 km is possible. The most important innovation of the project was the updating of guidance systems. The inertial navigation system was supplemented by satellite, and the active radar ARGS-35 was replaced by the active-passive radar seeker of the Gran-K type. Target detection range increased to 50 km. [/ Quote]
                https://topwar.ru/76289-protivokorabelnaya-raketa-h-35.html[/quote]
                1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 12: 50 New
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                  Thanks for the info. But how much is the new GOS already integrated, tested in the troops? Indeed, hypothetical clashes between systems that either are not in the troops or have serious childhood illnesses are often discussed. The question is still, if the GOS can carry out a capture from 50 km, then how will she see at 50 km, for the horizon, or the approximate flight height of 100-200 m allows this?
                2. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 13: 33 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Mosin
                  Thanks for the info. But how much is the new GOS already integrated, tested in the troops? Indeed, hypothetical clashes between systems that either are not in the troops or have serious childhood illnesses are often discussed. The question is still, if the GOS can carry out a capture from 50 km, then how will she see at 50 km, for the horizon, or the approximate flight height of 100-200 m allows this?

                  The flight altitude is 10-15 meters on the marching section and 3-4 on reaching the target.
                  X-35UE - export version of the X-35U - unified. In 2009, a significantly revised modification of the X-35 missile was introduced, which received the designation X-35UE. A new turbofan engine, half the size, was used, the design of the air channel was changed, which allowed to increase the fuel supply. These measures led to a twofold increase in the maximum range of rocket firing - up to 260 km. A new combined guidance system was used in the rocket, which, in addition to the previously used inertial and active radar homing systems, also included satellite navigation. The upgraded active-passive radar homing head "Gran-K" allows you to capture targets at a distance of 50 km, against 20 km from the basic version. Status (as of August 17, 2011): is being tested. The turning range reached 130 °. It has a ship, helicopter, coast and aircraft based. The flight altitude is 10-15 meters on the marching section and 3-4 on reaching the target. The mass of the warhead is 145 kg.

                  http://авиару.рф/aviamuseum/dvigateli-i-vooruzhenie/aviatsionnoe-vooruzhenie/sssr/aviatsionnye-rakety/upravlyaemye-rakety/ur-vozduh-poverhnost/protivokorabelnaya-krylataya-raketa-h-35/
                3. Sky strike fighter April 29 2020 14: 07 New
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                  But how much is the new GOS already integrated, tested in the troops? After all, often discuss hypothetical clashes between systems that either are not in the troops or have serious childhood illnesses

                  In Syria, the X-35U was tested from the Su-34 on ground targets. Successfully.
    3. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 21: 31 New
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      The height of the PAR Berk is about 17 meters, the radio horizon is 32-33 km.
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        The height of the PAR Berk is about 17 meters, the radio horizon is 32-33 km.

        Thank you, colleague! I'm a compass laughing on the scale of the circuit measured, I also happened somewhere somewhere ... hi
  • Charik April 27 2020 13: 32 New
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    and the launch minimal, will not stick into the water? and where is the X35 on the Su24?
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    The rocket itself will capture the target.

    Oh how ....... the rocket itself will find everything (somewhere) and somehow .... or all the same, the rocket must be given TsU initially? wink
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 13: 43 New
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      or all the same, the rocket must be given the original TS
      So from Avax go the coordinates of the target in real time
      1. ancient April 27 2020 13: 49 New
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        Quote: _Ugene_
        So from Avax go the coordinates of the target in real time

        Where do these coordinates go ... (Su-24M?) To which .. "system"
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          In which particular “system” I do not know, can you tell me? Or do you think the coordinates of the goal from Avax are useless for the burke? They will know with precision up to meters where drying in Khao
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            Quote: _Ugene_
            Or do you think the coordinates of the goal from Avax are useless for the burke?

            Sorry, I probably did not understand you and thought that you were talking about our A-50U and Su-24M recourse
  • ancient April 27 2020 13: 14 New
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    Quote: _Ugene_
    if it will be all the time at an altitude of 20-30 m.

    If you fly at such an altitude, then the destroyer should be no further than 200 km from the coast (and why the hell should he approach such a range? belay ) ...... otherwise .. "on nothing" will be ... home .. "get" wink
    1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 19: 24 New
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      You, as a person with experience, can already say for sure that the X-35U GOS makes a capture for 50km or 20km? Some people write here 50km, and I see 20km everywhere in the TTX tables? Nevertheless, the difference is significant.
  • Charik April 27 2020 15: 52 New
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    yes? and we have a lot of such aces at such heights to pilot loaded
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    Quote: Winnie76
    Quote: _Ugene_
    ship's air defense sees him from far away

    Under the radio horizon?

    You forgot about AWACS and satellites. The destroyer constantly receives environmental information from external monitoring tools.
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 17 New
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      Well, let's say there are not so many AWACS and far from always they accompany all ships, the satellite can help, provided that the airfields are known in advance and will track the drying from the moment of take-off, but then you need to add coastal infrastructure to this task, and this immediately changes everything
      If we consider a spherical horse in a vacuum, i.e. a single arly burke in the open sea without support against a single Su-24, then theoretically drying will be able to approach the launch distance at low altitudes, but it will certainly be destroyed
      1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 11: 38 New
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        Why on earth is it destroyed?
        1. Charik April 27 2020 13: 45 New
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          with the article SM2 + Aegis (radar type 1l13 or 55zh6)
    2. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 11: 37 New
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      To do this, your AWACS should be no further than 400 km from the line of attack. But to get information and be able to at least do something is still a big difference ...
      1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 40 New
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        But to get information and be able to at least do something is still a big difference ...
        in this case, it is a guaranteed defeat of drying, air defense can send missiles to the external Avax command center without seeing the target, on the approach of the GOS missile itself will find drying
        1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 13: 50 New
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          Can not. Why - explained.
  • ancient April 27 2020 12: 53 New
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    Under the radio horizon?

    And what anti-ship missiles are you planning to launch with the Su-24 and at what range? hi
    After all, in order to launch a rocket with an AGSN carrier radar, the same should take the target at the AS wink
    And at what range is this possible and at what altitude?
    And what is the response time of the ship’s air defense systems?
    1. Charik April 27 2020 13: 49 New
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      Yes, they shoot X35mi with Su24 or 24M from 50 km. Yes, and when the radar is on, the plane is already in the sight on the NK radar. And after 10 seconds 2-SM2 flies into the plane.
      1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 01 New
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        - The usual X-35 flies 130 km, distant up to 270 km.
        - X-31A flies at 50-70 km, at a speed of up to 1 km / s. 50 km = 50 seconds. but the missile from the destroyer SM-6 (SM-2 flies slower) will fly on the same 50 km for 45 seconds. You’d at least watch Vicki.
        1. Charik April 27 2020 16: 30 New
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          Oh, they made a mistake - they were going to shoot the X35 from a height of 50m, so that the ship would not see the plane, there was no question about X31, the SM2 rocket speed was about M = 3 The maximum range was up to 166,7 km, at least with 1000 km X35-2 let them will be shot down, if their pieces 20-30 shoot then it’s still possible to break through the Cook's air defense and there xs.
  • Cyril G ... April 27 2020 11: 26 New
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    In general, if the destroyer is single, then the unit and even the Su-24 squadron can calmly approach a distance of 40-60 km below the radio horizon and launch anti-ship missiles in an amount sufficient to defeat it. To destroy a low-flying target within the range of launching missiles at a range of up to 250 km, a destroyer can only interact with the avionics F-35 using Link 16.
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 29 New
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      being below the radio horizon and let go RCC in an amount sufficient to defeat it
      where to let RCC if the ship does not see the drying, in white light? they are lower than the radio horizon, the target needs to be captured by radar or visually detected, for this you will have to rise and immediately get under the ship’s air defense
      1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 11: 34 New
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        Read how it was during the attack of Sheffield. But in reality, an attack can be carried out by an external command center
        1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 35 New
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          in reality, an attack can be carried out using an external command center
          so this is a completely different story, we are considering a one-on-one hypothetical confrontation, and if there is an external management center, then let's add aax and then drying has no chance
          1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 11: 41 New
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            Of course I have. For to shoot beyond the horizon is useless. Only a bunch of F-35 + Aegis works. But really, in order to disable Burke, it is necessary to give a volley of about 20-24 RCC. That is 12 percussionists with 2 anti-ship missiles under each.
            1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 52 New
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              For to shoot beyond the horizon is useless.
              why it is useless, the SM-3 has its own GOS, when approaching, it itself will capture the dryer
              1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 13: 00 New
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                No. Does the impressive Fiasco and Redoubt definitely not say anything? There, on the SM-6, the seeker is weak and the aperture angle of the ARGS is not very large, and in order for her to get somewhere with a missile launcher, it is highly advisable to bring to the target for radio correction and roughly put a nose. Therefore, Shooting without seeing the target = miss, or fam needs a Penguin.
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                  if the coordinates of the target go from avax in real time, why can’t they lead the missiles to the target and poke your nose?
                  1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 13: 36 New
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                    AWACS is not a firing station and the working range is different and the errors in determining the range and height of the target are very large. That is, of course you can shoot, only with a probability of 0.95 you won’t get anywhere. It was not for nothing that I reminded about the Fiasco with Redoubt, they even watched the target perfectly on the survey Furke. And this is better than getting the info from AWAX at times, but its accuracy did not fall below the baseboard. It was necessary to implement an emergency version of escort when shooting through the Puma.
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                      Can I link to Fiasco with Redoubt?
                    2. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 12 New
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                      Damn big post napeysal so he flew nafig. I will be brief. I do not collect links. See the discussion of shipboard air defense systems of the Russian Federation on the forum of the Balancer. There Alex_Navy chewed why it works this way and not otherwise. On Courage, the holes of Aegis were also discussed. But he has holes and limitations.
                    3. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 15: 10 New
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                      those. AWACS is a surveillance radar and can not induce anything in principle?
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                      No suggestion. Issue TSU yes.
          2. Charik April 27 2020 16: 39 New
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            The SM-6 missile has the following advantages: The ability to simultaneously intercept any number of targets, the SM-6 missile, equipped with its own active seeker, does not need to “illuminate” the target with the radar of the carrier ship, which allows you to simultaneously intercept as many targets as there are missiles. targets hidden from the radars of the carrier ship beyond the horizon The possibility of effective destruction of stealth targets at long distances The possibility of more effective counteraction by means of electronic warfare - due to the bilateral data exchange with the carrier ship and the possibility of comparing data from the onboard radar of the rocket and the radar of the ship. The ability to intercept ballistic targets
            1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 21: 36 New
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              Only 18 targets can be intercepted at a time, namely so many channels of radio correction. If you shoot further 15-20 km of missiles without radio correction there will be a miss with a guarantee.
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                as if there are fools, they put rockets that miss, do we have the same situation with the C300 ship as we do with the SM?
              2. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 21: 59 New
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                Do you read what they write to you? Or “I see it like that?” Aegis has 18 channels of radio correction. That provides guidance 18 missiles to 18 goals. If you release SM-6, without radio correction, then the chance to get there will be at relatively small distances, no more than 20-30 km. The capture range of RCC type Uranus ARGSN from SM-6 in the region of 3-7 km. The opening angle is not large. To get guaranteed, you need to bring the SAM with ARGSn to the target using radio correction and literally poke it with your nose at the target ..

                And in real combat conditions, an average of 1 out of 3-4 missiles hits the target.
              3. Charik April 27 2020 22: 11 New
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                But isn’t 18 channels enough against 2 Kayaks or Uranians or X31 A and P, what’s the discussion about the fact that one Su24 will sink Burke, what? There are extremely low altitudes with jumps of 50 km from the ship, well, you read it yourself they saw, I understand that if Burke is loaded with everything that the RTR can do, low-altitude flights, inconspicuous PKR, then one is not a warrior in the field.
              4. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 22: 17 New
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                Against 2, in theory, enough. How it will work in reality, God knows, in real shooting, Aegis shot at a maximum of 4 targets ...
                I immediately said that the minimum amount of anti-ship missiles in a strike should be at least 24 pieces. In this situation, with a missile defense breakthrough, there is a good chance of getting at least once.
              5. Charik April 27 2020 22: 21 New
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                so am I about the same that with one Dryer it is easier to disperse to Burke Banzai than with 2 missiles laughing
              6. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 22: 24 New
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                I certainly didn’t dispute that. By the way, really a squadron of drummers to defeat EM a certain standard from the time of WWII to this day
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    which will come from different directions, if on the one hand, these are optimal conditions for the operation of the ship's reps and traps.
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    Quote: _Ugene_
    in reality, an attack can be carried out using an external command center
    so this is a completely different story, we are considering a one-on-one hypothetical confrontation, and if there is an external management center, then let's add aax and then drying has no chance

    Come on, but there are not so many AWACS, but on condition of one on one - that is, the destroyer against the Su-24M with the X-35U, the latter has a satellite guidance system.
    In 2009, an upgraded version of the X-35U rocket, called X-35UE, was presented, intended for delivery to foreign customers. After all the modifications, the launch weight of the rocket reached 670 kg. Dimensions remained the same. The engine and fuel tank taken from the X-35U provide the new CRP with a range of up to 260 km. According to some reports, it is possible to start at a distance of 300 km. The most important innovation of the project was the update of the guidance systems. The inertial navigation system was supplemented with satellite, and the active radar ARGS-35 was replaced with an active-passive radar GPS of the “Gran-K” type. Target detection range increased to 50 km.

    https://topwar.ru/76289-protivokorabelnaya-raketa-h-35.html
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 54 New
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      if the satellites support drying, then the berka too, and then the drying position is known in advance with an accuracy of meters despite the low height
  • Avior April 27 2020 11: 53 New
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    on Sheffield, the radar was turned off - prevented by phone chatting
  • Charik April 27 2020 13: 52 New
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    you can still remember about 2MV when the Japanese banzaili
  • strannik1985 April 27 2020 11: 47 New
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    where to let RCC if the ship does not see the drying, in white light?

    Probably an external data center?
    1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 48 New
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      we do not consider the external CPU, this is a different story
      1. strannik1985 April 27 2020 11: 49 New
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        Then the comparison is pointless.
        1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 11: 55 New
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          if we consider drying with external support, then the berks should be with external support and it will be Avaks, nothing good will come of it
          1. Sky strike fighter April 27 2020 12: 02 New
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            Yes, but with one on one AWACS will not be.
            1. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 12: 02 New
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              with one on one and the external control will not be
            2. Charik April 27 2020 16: 47 New
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              Maxim, again? There X25 drowned here 35mi, yes, with no chance of one or two Su24 even modernizing the destroyer even with SM-2, even more so since SM2 was removed and there are such anti-missiles that remain Su24mu among at least 10 vehicles with 300 km to shoot, if he has the ability to carry such missiles
          2. strannik1985 April 27 2020 12: 10 New
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            if we consider drying with external support

            So how is it? Strongly helped the Romanian Navy EM "Donald Cook"?
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              and that "Donald Cook" sank or at least hurt? it is possible that the drying was discovered and conditionally destroyed long before the dangerous approach
              1. strannik1985 April 27 2020 12: 20 New
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                and that "Donald Cook" sank or at least hurt?

                No, but how will the Romanian Navy help in this?
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                  I don’t know, but what about the Romanian Navy? sort of discussed the effectiveness of the su-24 against arly berk
                2. strannik1985 April 27 2020 12: 29 New
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                  I don’t know, but what does the Romanian Navy have to do with it?

                  Because the "Donald" participated in maneuvers with the Navy of Romania and Bulgaria.
                3. _Ugene_ April 27 2020 12: 58 New
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                  in the waters of the Black Sea in general it makes little sense to discuss all this, everything from the Crimea is shot at by coastal complexes
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                  Do you think regular joint maneuvers in the Black Sea are purely for political support? I agree.
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                in the Baltic?
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          from last week they’re drowning - they’re heating up X25mi now with 35mi then with two then with one Su24
  • Avior April 27 2020 12: 04 New
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    can only work with avionics F-35 using Link 16.

    or with Hokai, he is also able to transmit the necessary coordinates
    1. strannik1985 April 27 2020 12: 22 New
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      It remains to find out what they forgot over the Black Sea F-35 and Hokai?
      1. Avior April 27 2020 12: 56 New
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        and who will forbid them to fly there, international waters?
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        It remains to find out where the case discussed now
    2. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 17 New
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      Not as far as I remember, Hokai does not provide the necessary accuracy of target tracking.
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      Quote: Avior
      or with Hokai, he is also able to transmit the necessary coordinates

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      And what, "Hokai" now and with destroyers such as "Burke" learned to fly? And aircraft carriers in the Black Sea seem to be prohibited! (ie "from there" - it is possible, but "there" - no, no!) .....
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        Quote: venik
        And aircraft carriers in the Black Sea seem to be prohibited!

        By whom and when?
        1. venik April 29 2020 11: 04 New
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          Quote: Alexander Mosin
          By whom and when?

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          Montreux Convention of 1936 (Articles 10 and 11 on the types of warships having the right of free passage through the straits), as well as restrictions on the tonnage of ships non-Black Sea states residing in the Black Sea. hi
          1. Alexander Mosin April 29 2020 12: 53 New
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            Ok, thanks, I didn't know. But didn’t Amer Avik enter the World Cup in 2008.08.08? It seems that I remember something, reluctance to dig in the internet.
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              Quote: Alexander Mosin
              But didn’t Amer Avik enter the World Cup in 2008.08.08?

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              No, I didn’t come! In the World Cup, never had an American aircraft carrier! In August 2008, the flagship ship (control ship) of the 6th US Navy Mount Whitney displaced 18.4 thousand tons.

              Although he looks like an aircraft carrier, he has nothing to do with them - so-so - a purely “staff vessel”! hi
  • ancient April 27 2020 14: 15 New
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    In general, if the destroyer is single, then the unit and even the Su-24 squadron can calmly approach a distance of 40-60 km below the radio horizon and launch anti-ship missiles in an amount sufficient to defeat it.

    What anti-ship missiles are you planning to launch from such a range and at what height? wink
    1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 49 New
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      RCC can be launched from low altitudes by making a small slide. Aegis reaction time of at least 10-15 seconds and the first start, the maximum can be overslept. Rate of fire 1 / rocket per second from the ship. SAM flight time per 100 kilometers is approximately 90-100 seconds. That is, during this time you can make the slide calmly aim at the radar and launch the X-35, then go to ultra-low altitudes to begin the retreat. Mustache. Now the destroyer will not be up to the bomber. The amplitude of the salvo of anti-ship missiles from one side will be around 8-12 seconds. The required outfit of forces to kill Burke is the Bomber squadron with 2 anti-ship missiles each.
      For the X-31, the tactics will be slightly different.
      1. ancient April 27 2020 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        SAM flight time per 100 kilometers is approximately 90-100 seconds.

        You are mistaken .... exactly half soldier
        1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 16: 02 New
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          No, you are fundamentally wrong. Actually, since 3.5 M is the maximum SAM speed, the actual flight time will probably not be much more.
          3.5M is approximately 1150-1200 m / s
          100 km / 1150 or 1200 m / s = 83-86 seconds.
          1. ancient April 27 2020 18: 24 New
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            No, you are fundamentally wrong.

            Well, that means the Americans have rockets ... "slow", similar to our 9M96s I have 2100 m / s. wink
            1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 19: 04 New
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              At a speed of 9M96, how many sources there are so many opinions.
      2. ancient April 27 2020 15: 32 New
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        RCC can be launched from low altitudes by making a small slide.

        1. What exactly are anti-ship missiles from a Su-24M airplane?
        2. Time for the "process of detection, aiming and Ts / U" for the navigator.?
        3. What is a “volley sweep”? belay Maybe the density of the salvo and the number of missiles in the stream?
        4. This is how you "famously" calculated the required outfit of forces and means? What were you guided by? wink
        Is it really part III of the Guidelines for the combat use of TSA? bully

        If my memory serves me, then for guaranteed destruction of the destroyer four or five hits are necessary (missiles of the type X-31AD, X-35U)
        . When calculating the probability of a lesion, its value is taken no lower than 0.8. (Based on a range of 75% of the maximum).
        We get the launch range of about 187 km. (That is, in principle, there is the possibility of attack and with a greater range and the "capabilities" of the PRN allow).
        (Depending on the D to the target from the launch line, you can .. one Su-34 can handle wink)
        1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 16: 07 New
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          item 1. - X-35
          item 3. - volley of salvo? The time interval between the release of missiles. Not?
          item 4. Well no. I'm a sailor and not a pilot. TR Navy-90. And memory is cheating on you. 2 anti-ship missiles with a probability equal to 0.8 destroyer will be destroyed.
          1. ancient April 27 2020 18: 19 New
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            Quote: Cyril G ...
            item 1. - X-35

            1.Not applicable with Su-24M soldier
            2. The time interval between volleys.
            3. A quote from the previous comment - ".... for guaranteed destruction of the destroyer, four or five hits are necessary (missiles of the type X-31AD, X-35U."
            "Hto" spoke for the 2nd RCC? belay
            1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 18: 55 New
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              Under item 1. Good wish to consider question X-31?
              Under item 2. I remember differently, but okay. Not the point.
              According to paragraph 3. I say. 2 anti-ship missiles for the loss of fighting capacity Burke enough.
            2. venik April 28 2020 00: 15 New
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              Quote: ancient
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              item 1. - X-35

              1.Not applicable with Su-24M soldier
              belay

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              Yah???
              "...Currently carriers X-35U there were several series of surface ships of the missile boat / corvette class, Su-24 aircraft, Su-30, MiG-29K / KUBR, Su-35S, T-50 and anti-submarine Tu-142, as well as Ka-27, Ka-28 and Ka-52K helicopters. The missile is used as part of the Bal coastal missile system. .... "(https://iz.ru/646068/dmitrii-litovkin-aleksei-ramm/morskikh-i-vozdushnykh-ubiitc-obedinili)
              PS So what? Still APPLY? Or do you need to learn the materiel? bully
              1. Sasha_rulevoy April 28 2020 06: 57 New
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                Quote: venik
                Su-24, Su-30, MiG-29K / KUBR, Su-35S, T-50 aircraft and anti-submarine Tu-142, as well as Ka-27, Ka-28 and Ka-52K helicopters.


                In real life, the X-35 was only allowed with the Su-34.
                1. venik April 28 2020 08: 10 New
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                  Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
                  In real life, the X-35 was only allowed with the Su-34.

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                  Sasha! And HOW in our time it is possible to distinguish REALITY from "virtuality"? request
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                Quote: venik
                So that? Still APPLY? Or to learn a materiel?

                "Mat. Part" should not be studied according to Izvestia.
                Improvements to the Su-24M according to the KB bulletins (89-90gg). GOS and BCVS were carried out and Gosy (stage B) on the launches of the Kh-31A and Kh-31P (then MPC-L-021 (one of the letters "head") appeared. I wrote about this more than once .... what is this " ended ".. I will not write bully
                I saw the 2nd modified car bully
                And if you believe the "rumors", then half of the Algerian MKs are finalized, and for the Syrians, it seems, when repairing their Su-24MK2.
                All our Hephaestus cars “seem to be able”, but only with a separate revision of the LMS.
                So your statements and statements like ..... "yes" ... are not accepted.
                Yes - it’s when it’s in service and is widely used soldier
                Ask a question ... how many pilots and navigators in combat units have experience in using X-31A and X-31P missiles? wink
                1. venik April 28 2020 13: 29 New
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                  Quote: ancient
                  Improvements to the Su-24M according to the KB bulletins (89-90gg)

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                  Excuse me, WHAT is our year in the yard? In my opinion, the 2020th .... Or am I mistaken?
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                  Quote: ancient
                  Yes - it’s when it’s in service and is widely used

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                  RCC X-15 and X-22 - also were in service .... And you know of cases of their mass use?
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                  Quote: ancient
                  Ask a question ... how many pilots and navigators in combat units have experience in using X-31A and X-31P missiles?

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                  Do you know how many crews had experience (at least 1 training) of X-15 launches? Answer: On the regiment of naval aviation - 1-2! The rest threw blanks (mass-dimensional models) !!!
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                  Quote: ancient
                  All our Hephaestus cars “seem to be able”, but only with a separate revision of the LMS.

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                  And HOW MANY of them are “finalized” (for today)? Do you know
                  PS I understand of course that you pros in matters of aviation ... I don’t know only, you and NOW are "in the subject" or memories of the days past?
                  PPS This - "no offense be said" - just in its "native" army theme I can’t even imagine WHAT is now and how much "it" has gone FORWARD!
                  1. ancient April 28 2020 18: 21 New
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                    Quote: venik
                    Excuse me, WHAT is our year in the yard? In my opinion, the 2020th .... Or am I mistaken?

                    Why is this an inappropriate question? ... I wrote to you the period of time when newsletters on revisions about which I know were issued ......

                    .
                    Quote: venik
                    RCC X-15 and X-22 - also were in service .... And you know of cases of their mass use?

                    Why is it ... standing belay X-22s are still standing and ... they feel great ... for your information
                    All regiments that were armed with X-15 missiles (one squadron in Orsha, Bobruisk and Shaikovka) since 1986, regular launches were carried out, up to and including removal from service.
                    And the X-22s are still being "shot" .... under the USSR, in general, the BP’s plans included 3-4 practical launches per regiment ... apart from sudden inspections.
                    Your humble servant was launching ed.098.107 and 102 at n.500 and n.600
                    I won’t say anything about “sailors” ... I don’t know if they had them at all (since this is not the goal for MPA) soldier
                    Quote: venik
                    And HOW MANY of them are “finalized” (for today)? Do you know

                    I wrote how many of them were converted .. I DO NOT KNOW ... were in Lipetsk and Pereyaslavka (in those days).
                    Quote: venik
                    I don’t know only, you and NOW are “in the subject” or memories of days past?

                    Exclusively “memories of days past” and “insider” meetings with veterans drinks (there are also "young" veterans whom we "trained" at one time).
                    I quit the Russian Armed Forces in December 1999.
        2. 3danimal April 28 2020 17: 30 New
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          X-35 - an easy target for air defense of the ship (as many say about Harpoon).
          The X-31A has a significantly shorter range (with a low altitude flight profile) and a weaker warhead.
          (When flying at high altitude, the risk of a shotdown due to earlier detection increases).
          In addition, having shot back at the ship, the crew should be ready that several SM-6s will fly in to its soul.
          An attack on a rocket ship of the 1st rank by one (and not the most modern) tactical bomber is a pure adventure.
          Again, this situation involves a war with the United States (for what?), In this case, the destroyers will not sail, as in peacetime.
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        bullshit bullshit
  • venik April 27 2020 14: 38 New
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    very large epr (from different angles 10-25 sq.m.)

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    This, excuse me - is a "nasal projection" of 25 sq.m ????? Those. 5x5 meters ??? belay what fool lol
  • rocket757 April 27 2020 10: 38 New
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    Nothing new, such a "boys game."
    It’s just funny to watch the “shopkeeper” rush to “protect” the cardinal fellow
    1. Vasyan1971 April 27 2020 10: 57 New
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      It’s just funny to watch the “shopkeeper” rush to “protect” the cardinal

      No wonder, because together they are a terrible force!
      1. rocket757 April 27 2020 11: 04 New
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        Something like this. Who is there at Sherkhan and who is spinning under his feet?
        1. Vasyan1971 April 27 2020 11: 10 New
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          Who is there at Sherkhan and who is spinning under his feet?

          Is it that who is most often sick with rabies and runs into the jungle in fits, biting everyone in his path?
          As far as I remember this story, near the end of the book, Gray Brother broke his spine.
          "A fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows" ©. But not everyone ...
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            And do not pick up scraps for all! It may not be so troublesome, but the result is predictable at a time!
  • Barmaleyka April 27 2020 10: 39 New
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    all this bravado right up to the first shot, and that will be all simple, or you will tighten or turn it away
    80 years ago, the French turned away, and those who were in the Brest Fortress sjudzed and stepped into immortality
  • smart ass April 27 2020 10: 40 New
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    Falkland War Claims Otherwise
    1. Charik April 27 2020 10: 52 New
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      Yes, but in 2MB, ships were rammed in general by planes and threw free falling, and even earlier .......
      1. smart ass April 27 2020 11: 16 New
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        If you drop deeper then Su 24 and take off inappropriately, any NATO ship in the Black Sea lives as long as Russia allows .... balloons, bastions have not been canceled
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          Yes, everyone trains as much as possible, but why discuss mouse squeaking, the article was already last week, everything was discussed there
    2. Avior April 27 2020 12: 57 New
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      you're right.
      not a single entry of anti-ship missiles into the combat-ready combat ship
      1. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 18 New
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        Right ?! And in someone let more than one rocket?
        1. Avior April 27 2020 16: 27 New
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          exactly
          not a single entry of anti-ship missiles into the combat-ready combat ship
  • Pvi1206 April 27 2020 10: 42 New
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    You can say anything you want ... in a combat confrontation a lot depends on the skill and ingenuity of people, and not just on technology ...
  • Kalmar April 27 2020 10: 42 New
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    Firstly, why is there such a lot of attention to the Polish media lately? Are there any cool experts formed?

    Secondly, in my opinion, it is so obvious that a single Su-24 is not a significant threat to a destroyer. Its purpose, rather, is simply indicated: like, "but we see you."
    1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 20: 18 New
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      Secondly, in my opinion, it is so obvious that a single Su-24 is not a significant threat to a destroyer. Its purpose, rather, is simply indicated: like, "but we see you."

      So this is what the Polish article discusses, that all these Drying maneuvers over Cook have only a propaganda character and no combat value. And someday fly, once again.
  • Andrey the Magnificent April 27 2020 10: 43 New
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    Again, about this "Donald Cook" the ship gets it, ours drive it like a lousy bathhouse !!!))) fellow
    1. voyaka uh April 27 2020 11: 43 New
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      On the contrary, the sailors are thrilled. No boredom and patrolling routine,
      but action. Photos, videos. It will be something at home to tell wives or girls.
      Both Russian and American sailors and pilots love such interceptions.
      and simulated attacks. In peacetime - the very juice! fellow
      1. cniza April 27 2020 12: 28 New
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        It has always been like this, and it continues like this, everyone is working on each other ...
      2. Cyril G ... April 27 2020 14: 20 New
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        When a tornado passes 50 meters on board, the feeling is not very
  • HAM
    HAM April 27 2020 10: 43 New
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    The Poles will not praise ... so who else? Maybe something breaks off the Poles from this (all the same, they will appoint them as "beloved wife").
    And why did the Polish “interceptor" jump at the sight of the SU with the chassis released, scare it or something ??
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      He demanded that he land at his airdrome from drying.
      1. Insurgent April 27 2020 11: 58 New
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        He demanded that he land at his airdrome from drying.

        Where he only there saw the airfield what ... And on what basis did the idiot pilot have a desire to “invite” to his airfield?
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          This is Polish ambition, reaching the point of idiocy. Or just decided to troll.
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            Quote: meandr51
            This is Polish ambition, reaching the point of idiocy. Or just decided to troll.

            That one, that the other - foolishly looked ...
  • rotmistr60 April 27 2020 10: 44 New
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    Polish edition of Defense24.
    Bad is the Pole who does not deeply lick the United States and does not show off over Russians. Therefore, the position of the media is understandable and understandable.
    Su-24s can fly over American ships not because they are so good and the pilots who control them are so well trained, but because the Americans allow them to
    Ku, ku poles ... You will ask the Americans what happens to the electronics of their ships when flying our plane if they (the Americans) do not understand that they are required to get away in neutral waters and not interfere with the exercises. Admiring American power and belittling the capabilities of Russian weapons has often been observed on the site in the comments of some (grouped) visitors.
    1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 20: 27 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      You will ask the Americans what happens to the electronics of their ships when flying our plane if they (the Americans) do not understand that they are required to get away in neutral waters and not interfere with the exercises.

      Apparently the Americans themselves told you what happens ?? Laughter attack can? Or are you from the Khibin witness sect? And how did Drying fly over Cook? Was he scared and turned around?

      Quote: rotmistr60
      Admiring American power and belittling the capabilities of Russian weapons has often been observed on the site in the comments of some (grouped) visitors.

      Adequate people discuss technical features without reference to any nation or country. Some have more developed industry and technology, while others have less.
  • Al_lexx April 27 2020 10: 47 New
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    He does not sit at home. So fucking complain.
    In the comments to the video, through one - "these Russians, they are so aggressive" ..)))
  • Forest April 27 2020 10: 48 New
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    Holey Aegis, like a "superman from Hollywood."
  • Olddetractor April 27 2020 10: 49 New
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    And yet they fly. And some just write and everything about someone else’s
  • Angelo Provolone April 27 2020 10: 52 New
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    if scolded, then everything is in order
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      Where-who-who-scolds?
  • Vasyan1971 April 27 2020 10: 53 New
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    Su-24s can fly over American ships not because they are so good and the pilots who control them are so well trained, but because the Americans allow them to

    Yes Yes Yes. All that remains now is to say something like this: the Germans didn’t capture us in 27 days because they were “so good and so well trained,” but because we allowed them to. wassat
    1. meandr51 April 27 2020 10: 59 New
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      Whom is this you?
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        Quote: meandr51
        Whom is this you?

        Not clear from the context? Flood hunting?
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          And this is not a flood and provocation, to claim that the Germans captured "us" in 27 days? It is not clear whom they captured ...
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            Quote: Vasyan1971
            Not clear from the context? Flood hunting?
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    "This opinion was expressed by the Polish edition of Defense24."
    Deflection counted. The grub is earned. You can wipe the foam at the mouth. laughing
  • Charik April 27 2020 10: 57 New
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    This topic was chewed and spat out last week, it is not clear why now discuss what the mice say about it.
  • meandr51 April 27 2020 10: 57 New
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    This is not a combat call, but a reminder of how they are treated and where they are. So that life does not seem to be honey. That there was no "dizziness from success" that they are afraid. No one is afraid of them, they will drown immediately, if that. No Aegis will help, even if they get knocked down.
  • Chingachguk April 27 2020 11: 01 New
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    Everything would be so if it were not for the videos posted by Cook's sailors themselves.
    The second point, from which fright I should believe, is to some kind of Pole who receives salaries for exactly this kind of article, the main message of which is an attempt to tarnish the reputation of the Russian Federation - Putin, since the president himself, answering the questions of the journalist, answered that it was just so, that to under the wing, a new development of our gunsmiths called "Khibina" was attached, and it put out the latest American development of Aegis.
    Better to tell how the United States flew to the moon with the help of Hollywood ...... It will be sooooo interesting to listen!
    1. Alexander Mosin April 28 2020 21: 16 New
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      Quote: Chingachguk
      Everything would be so if it were not for the videos posted by Cook's sailors themselves.


      And what is so sensational on this video ?! Glad Yankees for whom the show was staged?

      Quote: Chingachguk
      The second point, from which fright I should believe, is to some kind of Pole who receives salaries for exactly this kind of article, the main message of which is an attempt to tarnish the reputation of the Russian Federation - Putin, since the president himself, answering the questions of the journalist, answered that it was just so, that to under the wing, a new development of our gunsmiths called "Khibina" was attached, and it put out the latest American development of Aegis.


      Khibiny never put on the Su-24. This time. And two, ask first what Khibiny is in general and their purpose. Statements that the Khibiny are capable of drowning IJIS are enchanting nonsense and outright lies. It’s similar to the video that Putin showed to the American director how the Russian Air Force hacked babaev in Syria, which was not from the Russian Air Force, but from the US Air Force and not in Syria, but in Afghanistan ..
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        Well, if you said so, then it is !!!!!!
        "Khibiny" (product L-175V) - Soviet / Russian aviation complex of electronic countermeasures (CREP). "
        And what to do with this? wink
        Or do you think that the Internet exists only for you? We can continue to google ..... wink

        The Russian front-line Su-24 bomber, which arrived at Donald Cook, did not have bombs and missiles on board. One container with the Khibiny electronic warfare system hung under the fuselage. Having approached the destroyer, the Khibiny turned off its radar, combat control circuits, and systems data transmission - in short, turned off the entire Aegis, as we turn off the TV by pressing a button on the remote control, after which the Su-24 simulated a missile attack on a blinded and deafened ship.

        When the bomber flew away, "Donald Cook" hastily headed to the Romanian port to put his nerves in order. "
        Still google it? wassat
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          Quote: Chingachguk
          Or do you think that the Internet exists only for you? We can google further ..

          Are you deliberately fooling people with this nonsense here? Can it be written on your Internet that the moon is actually square? We will discuss how much the square moon?
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            Hahahahaha! Funny you .... Poorly prepared !!!
            So my internet is not correct, but yours is correct ??? good
            I take your word for it! Hello to employers !!!!!!! drinks Yes! Is the moon triangular on your internet?
            And who only pays you for your activity here? lol
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 11: 08 New
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    The Poles are right in one - the span in the immediate vicinity of the ship is a psychological attack. To destroy Burke or the like, you do not need to do this at all. It can also be drowned for 400 km. Moreover, he, quite possibly, will not even guess about it.
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      The goal was simply to humiliate .... 12 times to simulate an attack ...... Humiliated above the roof! And why go so far from home?
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 11: 14 New
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    Quote: Kalmar
    Quote: Winnie76
    Under the radio horizon?

    After the horizon and drying the destroyer will not see after all.

    What about interacting with the ground services that the destroyer sees over a thousand kilometers? They will not help their, hiding below and not visible, where to crawl to get where it is necessary?
  • Jarserge April 27 2020 11: 15 New
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    Twists and distortions of Polish servility to the owner can cause nothing but disgust.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 11: 17 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    routine .. they brazenly climb to our shores, we pretend to scare them, garbage question

    Will it be right if we pretend that we don’t notice? Maybe we’ll send our on duty to Florida? If we had the opportunity, most certainly, they were on duty, and not only near Florida.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 11: 20 New
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    Quote: _Ugene_
    Yes, if we consider the confrontation in its purest form, it is unlikely that the Su-24 will be able to approach the destroyer at the launch distance of the PKR, the old plane, a very large epr (from different angles of 10-25 sq.m.), ship's air defense sees it from very far away

    Let them get used and stop paying attention. Doesn’t the idea come to mind that we train them specially? Surprise can fly quite unexpectedly. For example, well modernized and with a different hitch? Moreover, when we need it.
  • Stalllker April 27 2020 11: 41 New
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    Strange they are, Su 24 is just a delivery vehicle for missiles that will sink US destroyers
    1. Charik April 27 2020 17: 00 New
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      yes they’ll sink, but how many planes and missiles are needed? And here they kill a cookie with one 24m with two X35 (where did they come from-xs)
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        In something more serious than his "dress", and not in x35
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          And what can be dressed more seriously on the Su24 (I even doubt about the 35s on it)
    2. Kasym April 27 2020 22: 04 New
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      This is most likely the Su-24MR - a scout. "Designed for comprehensive all-weather reconnaissance day or night at a depth of up to 400 km. ... The obtained reconnaissance information can be processed directly on board the aircraft in flight. Information is transmitted to the ground via closed communication channels, photo information can be dumped in special containers." This intelligence information is most likely needed for the Bal or Bastion coastal complexes. hi
  • Jack O'Neill April 27 2020 11: 49 New
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    With real databases, a couple of Dryers against one Burke will do nothing, Burke will shoot them.
    Another thing, if we are talking about 10-12 Dryers, Burke will not physically manage it there physically.
    And now, in peacetime, all this is just a window dressing, no more. And on both sides!
  • Fitter65 April 27 2020 12: 03 New
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    Su-24 can fly over American ships
    So the joke itself is that the Russians can, but the Polish can’t. They can’t fly either over American, and even more so over Russian. that’s saliva and airplanes that place in the museum, you would have looked at your fleet 50% percent older than our Su-24 would be ...
  • Romario_R April 27 2020 12: 25 New
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    Such articles form in the minds of ordinary people, on opposite sides of the barricades, the possibility of "local warfare" between nuclear superpowers. It would be nice if the authors did not forget to end the articles with stories about a nuclear winter and possible eternal silence on planet earth.
  • Amateur April 27 2020 12: 28 New
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    Another "Acute Pole of the brain." negative
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    because Americans allow them to
    But what, they may not allow it? Well, let them try.
  • iouris April 27 2020 12: 46 New
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    And what can be objected here? However, the topic of deception is not disclosed: who is being deceived? You yourself cannot be fooled; it’s pointless to deceive “partners” (“colleagues”). What is the "bottom line"? Correctly. "Write, Shura, write your weights."
  • Ros 56 April 27 2020 12: 48 New
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    Let them tell the Syrian barmels, they will listen to them.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 13: 09 New
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    Quote: Charik
    that's about how some container was able to drown out ship electronics - the option of ground-based eb is more real

    If we estimate the distance from the ship to the flying aircraft and from the ship to the electronic warfare station on the shore, we get something like this:
    20 meters from the ship to the plane less than 20 km from the ship to the coast. That is, it differs 1000 times. At such a distance, the EW signal strength is weakened squared from the distance, that is, 1000 ^ 2 = 1000000 times. If you think that the power of the aircraft station is 15 kilowatts, then in order to have the same effect, the coastal must have .... Difficult to calculate. Will you help? Is this, in principle, possible?
    It was not necessary to go to school to smoke cigarettes in the toilet.
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      Quote: vkd.dvk
      If you think that the power of the aircraft station is 15 kilowatts

      You can think of it, only 15 kW is the rated power of one aircraft generator.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 13: 16 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie

    Enough of a single one. Airplane here is not for a fight. He is for psychological abuse. And, according to print reviews, it worked.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 13: 36 New
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    Quote: Jarserge
    Twists and distortions of Polish servility to the owner can cause nothing but disgust.

    I would say that there are much stronger feelings than servility. FANABERIA. DULL, ALL ABSORBING FANABERIA. Christians call it pride. Leading to sin and falling in Hell.
    Quote: Max1995
    But, in fact, it's all a fantasy. Here there was a debriefing in VO, an aunt was found on the Internet, who invented it all.
    Not a single reference to Western media is provided. Recently watched.

    After Cook, the same thing was written about at least one more destroyer (he’s like in the World Cup now), but already more confused and stupid.

    Remember the groundhog .....
    I wonder which KGB dug up the fact that 26 brave boys were written off the ship after the campaign? Start your search from here.
    1. Avior April 27 2020 15: 10 New
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      I wonder which KGB dug up the fact that 26 brave boys were written off the ship after the campaign? Start your search from here.

      it has long been known
      The country must know its hero
      Hero's name is Dmitry Sedov
      the source of all the hype is this comic article, which television turned into a serious report
      http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2014/04/17/etot-prokljatyj-russkij-metallolom-27063.html
      Mary, you can’t imagine what happened to us! We have never experienced such a shame in our lives. Some of our guys cried like children, others banged their heads on dormant appliances, the senior assistant in front of the crew drank a bottle of whiskey from his throat and screamed at the whole ship: “These fucking Russian Khibiny” (Russian electronic warfare system. - D.S. .), and the captain was green with anger. In this state, we were barely able to moor to the Romanian coast, and immediately after the mooring, three dozen of our guys wrote a report on dismissal. They could not bear the thought that at a crucial moment our equipment could turn into shit, with which they would have to go to the bottom of the sea. There was a tantrum with me and they took me to the hospital. Mary, I always loved our America and wanted a star-striped flag to bring freedom to the whole world. But after this incident, the idea of ​​dismissal began to haunt me. Damn them, with money, my dear. Better you and I will buy a small farm in Arizona, we will grow celery for sale and sing psalms in our church on Sundays. I think that it is better for America not to take our brothers in democracy in Ukraine under the protection. Well, if one old Russian trough could put our ultra-modern Donald Cook on its side, then imagine what their new planes can do! And if they are able to suppress not only devices, but also the brains of the crew? Think for yourself why you need me without brains? I kiss you tight, always your Johnny.

      but this part of the story on television was modestly omitted
      smile
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK April 27 2020 14: 53 New
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    Poland is a prostitute and listening to her nonsense is disgusting! Even more disgusting is that they publish it with us.
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: vkd.dvk
    If you think that the power of the aircraft station is 15 kilowatts

    You can think of it, only 15 kW is the rated power of one aircraft generator.

    Come up with it yourself. But you still have to multiply by a million. Has it become easier?
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 15: 04 New
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    Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    Poland is a prostitute and listening to her nonsense is disgusting! Even more disgusting is that they publish it with us.

    Need to publish. Otherwise, as in the USSR we will be snotty and stupid. Consider the bros of any bastard.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 15: 09 New
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    Quote: vkd.dvk
    Quote: novel xnumx
    the question, in fact, is how much su-24 is needed to hurt the cookie

    Enough of a single one. Airplane here is not for a fight. He is for psychological abuse. And, according to print reviews, it worked.

    I will supplement it. They SPECIALLY sent this type, which does not have bomb bombs, with weapons on suspensions, outside. And he showed an empty belly, demonstrating that he was not armed.
    Would they send FAT him? Think.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 15: 12 New
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    Quote: Max1995
    Wah! This is great ... yes, yes, Ukrainians call it overpower!

    From the shore !! Soak your EW destroyer somewhere near the center of the World Cup !!! Yes, and disguise it as EW Su !!! Yes, so that they all wrote down tearful letters and were covered with horror! Yes, so that no one has noticed this, except cheers-media !!
    In general, a great breakthrough.

    No wonder the breakthrough began to multiply.

    The destroyer "Porter" later, read on the Internet, it already displayed 3 SU, with the same result - electronic warfare, letters, dismissals in tears, and no one except ura-smi did not notice, even the Chinese ...

    Write down, read your opus, blush with shame and write sensibly what you wanted.
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 15: 14 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    if Cook walks somewhere, it means that Avax hangs nearby, he will find ..

    A working AWACS is still visible on takeoff. He risks the most in the group. His first will be buried.
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      Yes, as soon as they break through the cover of Avax
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 15: 16 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    I would say if it was cut down? sucked already .. fake smacks of

    Conduct a survey. Among those who crap one's pants and decommissioned after the campaign. Or did they just FIND a reason not to risk it? Then blame them for lying and plant ....
  • Klingon April 27 2020 15: 38 New
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    oh well, got this Pshek bay. By the way, Pszekiah now exists only because at one time Peter and Katerina allowed them to do this. TCs were busy with other, more important matters.
  • Topol M April 27 2020 16: 13 New
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    Psheki! And you check for lice military component of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. You have already received more than once in Susal, do you want more?
  • polikutin.e April 27 2020 16: 16 New
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    Nothing, but the Poles probably just as well encouraged the unforgettable Adolf until he came to their guests. Everything in the world is cyclic. And in the new repeats.
  • Neither what is the version for himself, the author probably got stoned or stoned whatsoever before you sit down to write such an article
  • Votyak April 27 2020 17: 25 New
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    "And my brother is a boxer, I will call him and he will beat you in the face ..."
  • Charik April 27 2020 17: 28 New
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    And in general, Burke doesn’t shoot - they don’t shoot at him, it looks more like reconnaissance or a flag demonstration, and the war between the Russian Federation and the USA is waged by lizuns, perhaps without even imagining that there WILL be a TRUE WORLD, I think the Amer military themselves (part of them) - they understand and know that it’s worth it with Russia, and in general there would be fewer war fans in the world, there would be only Bush-Clintons-Rothsheels-Wrootweilers with their gangs to clean up-and there will be PEACE and grace-no one will arrange wars
  • Charik April 27 2020 17: 40 New
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    not exactly diby, compare NK and the plane
  • vkd.dvk April 27 2020 19: 16 New
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    Quote: Avior
    I wonder which KGB dug up the fact that 26 brave boys were written off the ship after the campaign? Start your search from here.

    it has long been known
    The country must know its hero
    Hero's name is Dmitry Sedov
    the source of all the hype is this comic article, which television turned into a serious report
    http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2014/04/17/etot-prokljatyj-russkij-metallolom-27063.html
    Mary, you can’t imagine what happened to us! We have never experienced such a shame in our lives. Some of our guys cried like children, others banged their heads on dormant appliances, the senior assistant in front of the crew drank a bottle of whiskey from his throat and screamed at the whole ship: “These fucking Russian Khibiny” (Russian electronic warfare system. - D.S. .), and the captain was green with anger. In this state, we were barely able to moor to the Romanian coast, and immediately after the mooring, three dozen of our guys wrote a report on dismissal. They could not bear the thought that at a crucial moment our equipment could turn into shit, with which they would have to go to the bottom of the sea. There was a tantrum with me and they took me to the hospital. Mary, I always loved our America and wanted a star-striped flag to bring freedom to the whole world. But after this incident, the idea of ​​dismissal began to haunt me. Damn them, with money, my dear. Better you and I will buy a small farm in Arizona, we will grow celery for sale and sing psalms in our church on Sundays. I think that it is better for America not to take our brothers in democracy in Ukraine under the protection. Well, if one old Russian trough could put our ultra-modern Donald Cook on its side, then imagine what their new planes can do! And if they are able to suppress not only devices, but also the brains of the crew? Think for yourself why you need me without brains? I kiss you tight, always your Johnny.

    but this part of the story on television was modestly omitted
    smile

    You know, I like Mark Twain's story better. Or Jerome To Jerome.
    There is real humor, and comes from the English-speaking mouth.
    Do you like these PERLs? Read. It is written for people like you.